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McCain is a fucking asshole.
But how do you feel about him? :D

Americas most precious asset is "American blood"? I don't know how I feel about that

McCain: "...my friends..."

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I'm not your friend, buddy!

I'm not your buddy, guy!

But how do you feel about him? :D

He's alright.

I'm not your friend, buddy!

i'm not your buddy, guy!

Shitshitshit.

We're both in trouble now...aren't we...

edit: Sidenote: I still owe you a beer.

Make it Guinness and I'll buy the second round. :)

Americas most precious asset is "American blood"? I don't know how I feel about that
McCain thinks we should replace the dollar with blood. Gains support of Red Cross.

Ooooh, good question. "Are you Nixon?"

Americas most precious asset is "American blood"? I don't know how I feel about that

It's not that precious. I give blood all the time and all I get for it is a cookie. :(

for a second I thought she flubbed the question when she said "Pakistani sovereignty" and not "Palestinian"

Oh, this is a bad question for Obama. Hope he mentioned that Palin agrees with him.

People are just indifferent to what McCain says.

I'm sure it's the way he's talking, the breathy earnestness, it's downright creepy

i'm not your buddy, guy!

I'm not your guy, pal!

Americas most precious asset is "American blood"? I don't know how I feel about that

Are we going to start selling it? :o

Americas most precious asset is "American blood"? I don't know how I feel about that

mccain is a vampire

God damnit Obama answer the question.

Let's knock it off with the "I'm not your _____, _____!" before we're all overcome with spam.

So, he will violate Pakistan's sovereignty.

OK, there he answered it "we will act if they don't"

Well, he answered it. It took him long enough, but he answered it.

So, we shouldn't take Osama to trail, we should just kill him Obama?

Obama just Giuliani'd McCain.

Has anyone counted how many times McClown has referred to people as "my friends" yet?

If he says that one more time... :mad:

teddy!

McCain: "My biggest hero is a guy named Teddy Roosevelt.."
Zombie Reagan: "Hey, I thought I was your hero."

So, he will violate Pakistan's sovereignty.

you know, honestly...I'm not sure if I'm not OK with that.


"like my idol says...wait what does he say again?"

Nooo! Don't talk about the Teddy!

Teddy bear!

Has anyone counted how many times McClown has referred to people as "my friends" yet?

If he says that one more time... :mad:

just drink when he does, like everyone else

Let's knock it off with the "I'm not your _____, _____!" before we're all overcome with spam.
*slaps*
So, he will violate Pakistan's sovereignty.

Yes. Essentially.

Has anyone counted how many times McClown has referred to people as "my friends" yet?

If he says that one more time... :mad:

If I didn't have this preposterous commerce clause paper due tomorrow, I'd be playing a drinking game based on this.

There is a pattern here. McCain attacks Obama, and it plummets.

Its true. The American people really do want to hear the issues, not personal attacks.

So, were the Republicans talking softly when we were announcing we would invade Iraq for months beforehand?

We ran the Russians out of Afghanistan? I thought that was the Mujahedin.

Ahh this doesn't look good for Obama right now.

We ran the Russians out of Afghanistan? I thought that was the Mujahedin.

I caught that too.

once again, i would like to point out that the belief that he is teddy roosevelt explains why mccain hates spain

wait...we have the support of Iraq? Since when?

The same strategy, but very very different.

What the hell did that even MEAN, John?

So, he will violate Pakistan's sovereignty.
Yes, and so will McCain, but he'll lie to the Pakistanis about it and keep it a big secret so they'll trust us (which is why he's talking about it now.)

Did he just refer to the very same group of people once as good freedom-fighters and then as the evil Taliban?

So, we shouldn't take Osama to trail, we should just kill him Obama?

To be fair, none of our leaders or candidates want to give Osama a trial. Ill bet your buddy Barr even agrees there.

How many heroes does this guy have?

McCain is a filibustering jackass.

If I didn't have this preposterous commerce clause paper due tomorrow, I'd be playing a drinking game based on this.

what do you want to know about the commerce clause?

Brokaw: "I swear to God, I will turn this debate around right now."

"I've been to Waziristan. I made friends with a rock there."

You're doing a great job Tom, letting us walk all over you...

lulz at obama trying to break the rules

edit: and succeeding

Brokaw: "I swear to God, I will turn this debate around right now."

IF HE GETS A FOLLOW UP I WANTZ ONE!


To be honost though, Obama trying to break the rules is starting to piss me off.

On the other hand, I dont blame him, because McCain keeps fucking LYING.

Gah.. Personal attacks.

OK Obama, you're pushing it too far now, knock it the fuck off.

Bullshit, McCain ends with ambiguous crap which realistically is the same as what Obama is suggesting.

Oh shit! Obama brought up "Bomb Iran"!!!

I'm not sure this is helping. Should have let it slide..... maybe?

Or are the audience likeing it because he was 'strong'? I guess we have to wait and see.

cue "bombs over baghdad"...

How many heroes does this guy have?

he has as many heroes as the number of newspapers palin reads. however many is convenient.

I think follow ups are fine, I'd almost rather a free-flowing debate than this 1x1 minute affair.

A little follow up should light some sparks under this debate

McCain: "I know how..."
Drink!

How does McCain know how to handle these crises? Has he been something other than a career legislator?

OK Obama, you're pushing it too far now, knock it the fuck off.

I think Obama deserves a follow up after what McCain said.

"I was just joking"

Yeah, Islamic fundamentalists are famous for their sense of humor.

how will you get him? How do you know?

Shock collars might help maintain time constraints next time.

Maybe I should mediate a debate. :)

It's not so much that I'm not going to go into Pakistan, I'm just not going to tell anyone...

how will you get him? How do you know?

with his bare fucking hands

I think Obama deserves a follow up after what McCain said.

Agreed. However, there are other times where it would just be best to just let it go.

Shock collars might help maintain time constraints next time.

Maybe I should mediate a debate. :)

Time! *groin kick*

I love that. Speak softly, while I sing about bombing Iran and destroying North Korea, WHILE we're already in two wars.

"Attack bin Ladin if he happens to be in Pakistan" = "Attack Pakistan"?

LG hosts - the order is green light, amber light, kick in the sack

Obama fails at brevity.

what do you want to know about the commerce clause?

I'm content with what I know. You won't be surprised to hear it's all we've done in Con Law so far. At this point it's just a matter of organizing my thoughts, and I'm having trouble staying focused long enough to do it. :)

35 to 6.

how will you get him? How do you know?

After we bomb Pakistan's caves, we'll turn loose our sand sifters.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1027/1272638401_0cd5be14e5.jpg?v=0

"I'll be brief..." exactly 1 minute

how will you get him? How do you know?

Secret plan, obviously.

Oh god, on with Patreaus again...

Time! *groin kick*

Speak silly and carry a big pie. :)

how will you get him? How do you know?

Does dying of medical problems count as "getting him"? Maybe that's McCain's plan.

how will you get him? How do you know?
well first you find the gates of hell...

I'm content with what I know. You won't be surprised to hear it's all we've done in Con Law so far. At this point it's just a matter of organizing my thoughts, and I'm having trouble staying focused long enough to do it. :)

if you'd like me to read it, send me a TG.

McCain harping on this "strategy v. tactics" thing is really insulting.

Obama is shaking his head and smiling....that may appear arrogant to the people.

Oh god, on with Patreaus again...

You didnt know theyre dating?

Does dying of medical problems count as "getting him"? Maybe that's McCain's plan.

John McCain will go to the gates of Hell to get Osama's kidneys to fail.

Gah!! McCain keeps lying about Obama's statements about the surge.

mccain, 1:20

Obama is shaking his head and smiling....that may appear arrogant to the people.

Dont get your hopes up. McCains been doing it the whole time too.

How come McCain even USES the words "wrong" and "Iraq" in the same sentence without it being pointed out that he was wrong in GOING to Iraq to begin with?

mccain, 1:20

how do you mean?

We ran the Russians out of Afghanistan? I thought that was the Mujahedin.

Well we armed them, then those weapons got turned against us.

Shock collars might help maintain time constraints next time.

Maybe I should mediate a debate. :)

"...and that, my friends, is where I woul-AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! The weasel is clamped on my scrotum!!!"

mccain, 1:20

huh?

just drink when he does, like everyone else
If I didn't have this preposterous commerce clause paper due tomorrow, I'd be playing a drinking game based on this.
I believe I haven't properly prepared for this debate. Where's the beer'n'booze?

You didnt know theyre dating?
arent lindsey graham and joe lieberman enough for him?

Petraus....Petraus...Petraus...

We're not? I thought it had already started . . .

"We're not going to have another cold war with Russia."

No, it'll be pretty damn hot, bubba.

Obama's brief answer was 60 seconds, McCain's 80 seconds.

Wait, how long is this debate supposed to be again?

Someone should remind McCain of the question... Tom said WITHOUT starting another Cold War...

I guess that's just not in McCain's strategy. Or is it tactics?

Not the KGB comment again. Is he trying to piss Putin off?

how do you mean?

huh?

sorry...for the last question, obama took 1 minute flat, mccain took 1:20. Just entertained by the concept of "brevity" in their minds.

Someone should remind McCain of the question... Tom said WITHOUT starting another Cold War...

I guess that's just not in McCain's strategy. Or is it tactics?

You dont understand the difference.

"...and that, my friends, is where I woul-AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! The weasel is clamped on my scrotum!!!"

I call that weasel "Tom". :)

arent lindsey graham and joe lieberman enough for him?

Gasp! SCANDAL!

It's a love.... PENTAGON! Patreaus, Lieberman, Graham, McCain, and CINDY MCCAIN!

Wait, how long is this debate supposed to be again?

It's got 9 more minutes.

McCain is picking up some speed here in the home stretch.

Petraus....Petraus...Petraus...

Well he has been on the ground in Iraq, he has a better picture of what's going on than Obama or McCain.

Obama, you had 2 minutes to think of talking points, and you started off with "I agree with Sen McCain"?

McCain is picking up some speed here in the home stretch.

Russia is easily his only strong point.

McCain needs a buzzer-beater.

Not the KGB comment again. Is he trying to piss Putin off?

Pissing off Pakistan, not okay.

Pissing of Russia, okay.

McCain is picking up some speed here in the home stretch.

Yeah, once it shifted to foreign policy.

You dont understand the difference.

Not when McCain says it, no... :)

lulz Obama said mischief.

Obama sucks at brevity.

edit: McCain had a chance to show Obama up and he failed. GG.

Dangerous Level to us. Russia. High. Pakistan. Not so much.

Obama sucks at brevity.

McCains no better.


Politicians are full of hot air, if they dont deflate they blows up.

Yeah, once it shifted to foreign policy.

But here's the thing, I keep hearing.

The first debate, foreign policy, that's John McCain's strong point, he'll win! ...tie, or Obama win.

The second debate, town hall style, that's John McCain's strong point, he'll win!. ....probably an Obama win.

So what are they going to say in a standard debate on domestic issues?

Dude, McCain nailed this Russia stuff with the exception of the Putin stuff.

yes or no...time starts...now:
obama: 13s
McCain: 42s

Really shit question to end on.

Ugh, he specifically asked for "yes or no".

Wait.....whether or not Russia is an "evil empire" depends on what we do?

Oh, I thought that was the last one.

"See Fred? That's why we put the lapel mic on them, because you never know when they might forget about the microphone in their hand."


"You're still an asshole, Ned."

"Yes or no"

Obama: "Yadda Yadda sorta"

McCain: "Maybe. Hehehehehe. Yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda something else."

Oh geeze, not the "Ebil Mozlemz gonna nook Izrel!!" crap again.

So my sound cut out; what was the question right there?

"Thank you for your service. Don't mind the fact that I'm hovering over you like a bat."

Ugh, he specifically asked for "yes or no".

Wait.....whether or not Russia is an "evil empire" depends on what we do?

To be fair, asking for a yes or no question, on a value judgement like that, is a really really bad question to ask.

Ugh, he specifically asked for "yes or no".

Wait.....whether or not Russia is an "evil empire" depends on what we do?

To be fair, that was an impossible question to answer with a yes or no, and does nothing but give the other side talking points for a smear ad.

McCain picked it up a bit, 35 to 12 Obama, discounting the heavily leaning for Obama analyst.

God damn hes doing this without preconditions shit again.

Get his dick out of your mouth McCain you'll get him kicked out of the military.

To be fair, that was an impossible question to answer with a yes or no, and does nothing but give the other side talking points for a smear ad.

it was a bullshit question, one that can't be answered with a yes or a no.

God damn hes doing this without preconditions shit again.

And his League of Nations idea.

league of extraordinary countries!

McCain, sadly, sounds.. old when he's talking, the way his breath catches during his speeches. :/

it was a bullshit question, one that can't be answered with a yes or a no.

My point exactly.

second holocaust. Drink.

God damn hes doing this without preconditions shit again.

He needs to pound it home until we believe it. Facts be damned.

To be fair, asking for a yes or no question, on a value judgement like that, is a really really bad question to ask.

To be fair, that was an impossible question to answer with a yes or no, and does nothing but give the other side talking points for a smear ad.

You were too late with that one. :)

To be fair, that was an impossible question to answer with a yes or no, and does nothing but give the other side talking points for a smear ad.

To be fair, calling Putin's Russia an "evil empire" under any circumstances is just plain ignorant.

Obama scaremongering about Iran getting the bomb just burried the needle.

You know, even now I can faintly hear Palin yelling "I love Israel!"

Holy shit you're right it did.

Well he has been on the ground in Iraq, he has a better picture of what's going on than Obama or McCain.

How can he concentrate with McCain fellating him all day?

Obama really does a better job than McCain at not looking pissed off when they cut to him while the other guy is talking. McCain always kinda looks like he wants to punch somebody.

You know, even now I can faintly hear Palin yelling "I love Israel!"

Yay jews!

I mean, we don't have any in Alaska...and I haven't met any personally, but I'm sure y'all are swell!

To be fair, that was an impossible question to answer with a yes or no, and does nothing but give the other side talking points for a smear ad.

Oh, I agree. I just expected McCain to go for the "yes" answer. Of course, he didn't.

To be fair, calling Putin's Russia an "evil empire" under any circumstances is just plain ignorant.

Especially because Putin isnt the president anymore, whether he holds the real power nonewithstanding.

lol New Hampshire.

Holy shit you're right it did.

Im very disappointed he had to resort to that.

Obama scaremongering about Iran getting the bomb just burried the needle.

Bury it up or down?

Isn't the debate susspose to be only 90 mins?

oh, funny jokes! Yay!

the sound of one hand clapping

Especially because Putin isnt the president anymore, whether he holds the real power nonewithstanding.

That is very true. I call it Putin's Russia as opposed to Medvedev's Russia merely because Putin is still the Prime Minister, and Medvedev is only in power thanks to him, so I think we can see the real source of most of Russia's policies.

What kind of question is that? It's nearly impossible to not appear arrogant or ignorant.

Wow. What a bullshit last question. Obama handled it well though. And his joke actually made me smile.

Fox News: Cindy McCain calls Obama Campaign “The Dirtiest” in American History (http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/cindy-mccain-calls-obama-campaign-the-dirtiest-in-american-history/)

Cindy McCain’s visit to the Children’s Hospital at Vanderbilt today, where she she described the Obama Campaign as “the dirtiest campaign in American history.”

From Howard’s report:

Cindy McCain said today that she expects her husband to clear the record at tonight’s debate and let America know where he truly stands.

McCain, who stopped to visit a half-dozen children at the Monroe Carell Jr. Children’s Hospital at Vanderbilt today, said the presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama has “waged the dirtiest campaign in American history,” and her husband Sen. John McCain will use tonight’s debate to correct the distortions.

“What I have found is that it’s necessary to make sure the American people understand what we have to say, what we stand for as a husband and wife, and what we will do for the American people if we’re lucky enough to be elected,” Cindy McCain said.

Cindy McCain, who has said she initially did not want her husband to enter the 2008 race after the contentious primary he lost to President George W. Bush, said this race is even nastier.
Posted at 9:03, timed so that it couldn't be answered until after the debate. Nice.

Isn't the debate susspose to be only 90 mins?

Yeah, they're running a bit over. This last question is meant for them to grandstand a bit to end the show.

Bury it up or down?

Way up.

Ok, what DON'T you know, and how will you learn it? That is the question Obama.....

Bury it up or down?

up, which it's starting to do right now. At least among woman.

Obama buried the needle with women (lulz) up again when talking about paying for college.

Fox News: Cindy McCain calls Obama Campaign “The Dirtiest” in American History (http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/cindy-mccain-calls-obama-campaign-the-dirtiest-in-american-history/)

Cindy McCain’s visit to the Children’s Hospital at Vanderbilt today, where she she described the Obama Campaign as “the dirtiest campaign in American history.”

From Howard’s report:


Posted at 9:03, timed so that it couldn't be answered until after the debate. Nice.

That makes me chuckle. McCain is the one who's abandoning all "I'm good and here's why!" ads and resorting to all "He's not good and here's why!" ads.

Obama isn't really answering the question... Though it wasn't a very serious one.

i don't know the future. but luckily, i saw an ad on the teevee for a psychic.

"What I dont know is whats going to happen."


So, McCain is NOT a witch. Good. Palin can stop reapplying her witch craft protection now.

Obama isn't really answering the question... Though it wasn't a very serious one.

it was likely chosen because it could lead to big wrap up speeches.

Obama isn't really answering the question... Though it wasn't a very serious one.

Yeah, the question was clearly picked to let them just blather on about how great they are to end the night.

Fox News: Cindy McCain calls Obama Campaign “The Dirtiest” in American History (http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/cindy-mccain-calls-obama-campaign-the-dirtiest-in-american-history/)

Cindy McCain’s visit to the Children’s Hospital at Vanderbilt today, where she she described the Obama Campaign as “the dirtiest campaign in American history.”

From Howard’s report:


Posted at 9:03, timed so that it couldn't be answered until after the debate. Nice.

Giant, shiny, brass balls.

I know....take another drink.....take several drinks in fact....

I think McCain just tried to imply that he had a difficult childhood. Laughable.

Here comes the POW story....

So, there's no real answer to a question like that, but should you really answer a question about what you don't know by repeating "I know....." over and over again?

McCain: We will be talking about countries that most of us don't know where they are on a map

Russia, which you've been talking about for a while, is the big country all the way on the right. It's kinda... big... you can't miss it.(especially from Sarah Palin's house)

And it's over!

final tally:

Obama - 42

McCain - 14

Discounting one analyst, who, if factored in, changes it to 68 to 27 (hence why I don't count it, being so heavy to Obama)

LOL "Your in he way of my script!"

"you're in the way of my script"

I love you Brokaw...

LOL in the middle of my script.

Hehe, final word by Tom: "John, get the fuck out of my way!"

lol at fuck up

final tally:

Obama - 42

McCain - 14

Discounting one analyst, who, if factored in, changes it to 68 to 27 (hence why I don't count it, being so heavy to Obama)
Nice. People did not buy McCain's tactics

So, people were saying McCain needs to knock it out of the park. Obama won. So, McCain is owned.


Just concede now Rambo. Save yourself some money.

This was probably the fastest moving thread I've ever been in on NSG as far as I can remember!

Move bitches!

I think McCain just tried to imply that he had a difficult childhood. Laughable.
HEY. during world war 2 sometimes his silver spoon got a bit of tarnish on it.

LOL at McCain avoiding shaking Obama's hand!

"Dont touch me you dirty ******!"

Am I the only one who's wondering what McCain doesn't know? I mean it seems like he's trying to appear Omiscient.

OK, can we, objectively, impartially, say that Obama won? Was it more of a tie objectively?

So, people were saying McCain needs to knock it out of the park. Obama won. So, McCain is owned.
Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on the person, it's the people who decide the next president, not the pundits. ;)

LOL at McCain avoiding shaking Obama's hand!

"Dont touch me you dirty ******!"

*roll eyes* Yes, because we all know he's a racist.

Impartially, I think Obama won. He is leading, so McCain needed to win big, and Obama not only didn't lose, but, to my mind, outplayed McCain over the course of the night.

OK, can we, objectively, impartially, say that Obama won? Was it more of a tie objectively?

I dunno, I think McCain did better in this debate than the 1st one. I'd say Obama has a slight lead....at best and a tie at worst....

OK, can we, objectively, impartially, say that Obama won? Was it more of a tie objectively?

CNN focus group doesn't rule. We're overly partisan too. Not sure it was a tie, but it surely wasn't one-sided.

So, people were saying McCain needs to knock it out of the park. Obama won. So, McCain is owned.


Just concede now Rambo. Save yourself some money.

It isn't his money. :p

OK, can we, objectively, impartially, say that Obama won? Was it more of a tie objectively?

I would go to Obama, but still with little new. SNL will have a field day, however.

So I guess it's an Obama/NBC/America win.

what the fuck was that? i had to rewind it twice....

mccain taps obama on the back but doesnt shake his hand when obama offers it, instead he indicates that he should shake CINDY'S hand.

wtf?

OK, can we, objectively, impartially, say that Obama won? Was it more of a tie objectively?
If we're critiquing quality of answers, I'd call it a tie.

But if we're looking at responses to content of answers, I give it to Obama.

OK, can we, objectively, impartially, say that Obama won? Was it more of a tie objectively?

Obama won for the same reason he won the last one.

*roll eyes* Yes, because we all know he's a racist.

Lighten the fuck up. It was funny to watch him whip his hand away.

CNN focus group doesn't rule. We're overly partisan too. Not sure it was a tie, but it surely wasn't one-sided.

so your opinion is...slight lead to Obama? Slight lead to McCain?

OK, can we, objectively, impartially, say that Obama won? Was it more of a tie objectively?

In fairness, I don't think we can objectively say that.

Seriously though, Wilgrove - even Fox (last time) commented on how McCain makes it quite clear that he can't stand Obama.

I don't really KNOW how Obama feels about McCain, obviously - but he doesn't show any of that same animosity.

And to be honest - THAT might be the single most important thing we should be looking at, going into the election. These people have to deal with foreign leaders - some of whom are not going to be wanting for much of an excuse to take umbrage.

In fairness, I don't think we can objectively say that.

OK, what is your opinion?

In fairness, I don't think we can objectively say that.

I think we can objectivly say Obama won for the same reason he won the last one.

Maybe Cindy thinks Obama is hot and wanted to be introduced. All the women in the focus group seemed to.

Seriously though, Wilgrove - even Fox (last time) commented on how McCain makes it quite clear that he can't stand Obama.

I don't really KNOW how Obama feels about McCain, obviously - but he doesn't show any of that same animosity.

And to be honest - THAT might be the single most important thing we should be looking at, going into the election. These people have to deal with foreign leaders - some of whom are not going to be wanting for much of an excuse to take umbrage.

Maybe McCain isn't exactly big on physical contact, I know I'm not.

CNN focus group doesn't rule. We're overly partisan too. Not sure it was a tie, but it surely wasn't one-sided.

from 538:

"I think this was a clear win for Obama -- much clearer than Round 1 -- and that I expect the polls and focus groups will reflect it. Again, it's all about tone and body language ... if you read a transcript of the debate, it might be a tie."

CNN focus group doesn't rule. We're overly partisan too. Not sure it was a tie, but it surely wasn't one-sided.

I can see your point, but I felt the same way about the first debate, and Obama polled much better than McCain following that performance. I wouldn't be surprised to see voters suggesting that they they liked Obama's performance better overall - just based on that.

OK, can we, objectively, impartially, say that Obama won? Was it more of a tie objectively?

I don't know. This seemed to me like a debate in which both sides' supporters can claim their candidate won. The only real measure we've got is the Ohio focus group. The line graph to me looked like it was jumping higher for Obama than for McCain, and that reinforces my own instincts about who won, but I'm not sure if I can say that any objective viewer would have declared Obama the winner.

from 538:

"I think this was a clear win for Obama -- much clearer than Round 1 -- and that I expect the polls and focus groups will reflect it. Again, it's all about tone and body language ... if you read a transcript of the debate, it might be a tie."

Well, thats good to hear.

Maybe Cindy thinks Obama is hot and wanted to be introduced. All the women in the focus group seemed to.
the women LUUUUV obama. it was a little disconcerting.

Holy crap, the analyst on CNN who I have been saying all night is biased for Obama is a REPUBLICAN strategist

dude on CNN (Castellanos) just admitted that he had the buttons messed up...

I don't know. This seemed to me like a debate in which both sides' supporters can claim their candidate won. The only real measure we've got is the Ohio focus group. The line graph to me looked like it was jumping higher for Obama than for McCain, and that reinforces my own instincts about who won, but I'm not sure if I can say that any objective viewer would have declared Obama the winner.

Fair enough.

Holy crap, the analyst on CNN who I have been saying all night is biased for Obama is a REPUBLICAN strategist

*faints*

the 3rd analyst who seems biased to Obama heavily

i'm pretty sure that's alex castellanos. he worked on mittens' campaign and is a republican ad guy.

yup, i was right

Maybe McCain isn't exactly big on physical contact, I know I'm not.

What - you mean while he was walking around shaking hands with EVERYONE else?

But it's not just that - he's been pulling that kind of attitude with Obama over two debates, now.

dude on CNN (Castellanos) just admitted that he had the buttons messed up...

no, he was obviously joking with that, and followed that up by saying he just though Obama won.

the women LUUUUV obama. it was a little disconcerting.
Well, women are traditionally strong voters on domestic and financial issues. The lines seemed to respond most strongly when Obama talked about taxes, paying for college and health care and similar issues. Obama is strong on the issues that matter to female voters, apparently.

I think on the economy, Obama destroyed McCain. On foreign policy, I think Obama was only very slightly in the lead.

no, he was obviously joking with that, and followed that up by saying he just though Obama won.

sorry...roommate started talking about some random shit and distracted me. Bastard.

What - you mean while he was walking around shaking hands with EVERYONE else?

But it's not just that - he's been pulling that kind of attitude with Obama over two debates, now.

Meh, I rather see people be "real" than to shake hand and do the fake smile while in their heads they're like "Oh you're going down you bastard...." "No you are you old white prick...."

no, he was obviously joking with that, and followed that up by saying he just though Obama won.

Yeah I caught that too. The "I had the buttons mixed up!" was a joke.

is this the first time we have heard that mccain wants to buy everyone's bad mortgage?

what kind of insane idea is that?

OK, what is your opinion?

I would say McCain did a better job than before, had a better start. I think Obama was able to match McCain and neutralized it. If this were a close race, or I was closer to being undecided (as it is, I can't imagine a way for McCain to make his case to me without doing a near 180), it would have been a strong debate. I think I would have been ultimately frustrated by essentially McCain's 'secret plan' answers.

is this the first time we have heard that mccain wants to buy everyone's bad mortgage?

what kind of insane idea is that?

He already has 7 houses, and now he needs MORE!

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I'm flipping between stations, and all of the analysts seem to be giving this one to Obama, either as a "Obama won because he's in the lead already and McCain really didn't knock him down" or "Obama won because he just plain won." Huzzah. :)

Meh, I rather see people be "real" than to shake hand and do the fake smile while in their heads they're like "Oh you're going down you bastard...." "No you are you old white prick...."

In a president?

Our 'smiling face' to the rest of the world?

heh, people are MOBBING Obama on the floor to talk to him, wonder where McCain is.

is this the first time we have heard that mccain wants to buy everyone's bad mortgage?

what kind of insane idea is that?

I'm impressed that he thinks he can do it with spending frozen...

I just want to know what the hell is up with the star pattern cut into Obama's hair?

Did anyone else notice the star in the back of Obama's head?

Here's what SBS's political commentator, karen Middleton, had to say -- but the Australian audience was 98% expecting Obama to win:

I think it was more interesting than the original debate because the questions came (mostly) from people other than journalists. I guess it's easy to get a bit swayed by the 'worm' from CNN, which I had on another screen. On that basis, McCain seemed to struggle to resonate a bit.. like he wasn't entirely inspiring voters... but he clearly resonated on energy policy & he returned to it several times.

also:

On energy? He (McCain) did well too. The uncommitted voters are clearly concerned with the price of fuel. Obama scored well on alternative fuels. And both scored well when they spoke about not spending so much on offshore oil.

But on Palin, we just don't get it:

I guess that's why I call her Scarey Sarah.. I think the mannerisms are over the top cheesy.. but I'm not American. And I can see she is igniting something in some people.

I'm impressed that he thinks he can do it with spending frozen...
He wouldn't freeze it for essential programs.

Damn, I should have bought a bigger house.

:)

heh, people are MOBBING Obama on the floor to talk to him, wonder where McCain is.

Weeping back stage.

I just want to know what the hell is up with the star pattern cut into Obama's hair?

Did anyone else notice the star in the back of Obama's head?

Not I.

CNN's 25 person focus group seems to call it a tie, slight lead to Obama, 12 to 10.

But on Palin, we just don't get it:

Dont worry boss, a lot of us dont get it either.

He wouldn't freeze it for essential programs.


So, you're saying he lied in the last debate, or just flip-flopped?

Not I.
I swear it was there, a star cut into his hair.

Did anyone else notice the lack of "gloves coming off" from McCain?

So, you're saying he lied in the last debate, or just flip-flopped?
Neither, I'm repeating what he said tonight, a freeze on all but the military and other "essential programs."

In a president?

Our 'smiling face' to the rest of the world?

Honesty tend to make life more interesting.

Did anyone else notice the lack of "gloves coming off" from McCain?
he had a hard enough time squeezing in his talking points. he didnt have time for jabs.

he had a hard enough time squeezing in his talking points. he didnt have time for jabs.

I think he threw in some good jabs tonight.