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Live Debate Thread - Obama v. McCain Part 2

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Kyronea
08-10-2008, 00:45
I thought I'd get this thread made about an hour in advance, since the debate is pretty soon now.

We'll be commentating on the debate here. (Or, you guys will be. I'll be wrangled into watching it on television by my parents again. :rolleyes: )
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 00:47
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/obama-debate.html


Translation: "John, if you want a slugging match, we can knock your ass out. So watch it."
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 00:56
Watching the Fox pe-coverage, and they just ran an article about how Ohio's policy of allowing registration and voting on the same day is worrying the GOP, because of the risk of voter fraud.

Because, of COURSE, if there's any fraud, it would have to be Democrats.... :rolleyes:
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 00:56
Here's a spot for a Live debate discussion.

Also, I wanted to preface it with a question.

What question would you ask the candidates if you could (try to make them fair questions)?

Also, how good are you at predicting? Let's here what questions you think we'll see tonight.

Okay, that's two questions. Stop being so pedantic, CTOAN.



Note: Hehe, beatcha, suckas!!
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 00:59
Kyronea is a David Hasselhoff fan. He has tattoos of the Hoff on both cheeks, both sets.

Also, I wrote this fifteen minutes ago and forgot to hit submit. Stupid phone. Stupid work. Stupid young people from Colorado.
Free Soviets
08-10-2008, 01:00
Watching the Fox pe-coverage, and they just ran an article about how Ohio's policy of allowing registration and voting on the same day is worrying the GOP, because of the risk of voter fraud.

Because, of COURSE, if there's any fraud, it would have to be Democrats.... :rolleyes:

to be fair, they are defining 'fraud' as 'people of color and young people and people who live in disproportionately democratic areas voting', so that really does give them cause for concern
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 01:02
are you SO desperate to beat me that you make the thread an hour in advance?
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 01:02
tee hee

:D
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 01:02
Is there a live stream of it anywhere?
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 01:03
CNN.com I believe runs a live stream.
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 01:04
I'm being either amused or horrified, I can't decide, by the fact that - within a minute of declaring the program a 'no-spin zone', the O'Reilly thing launched into an overview of all the questions McCain needs to put to Obama, in order to recover some ground.

Curiously - they neglected to talk (so far) about what Obama might want to ask.

No spin.... ahem.
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 01:04
Geez...the third debate's commentary thread is going to be made before this debate is over...
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 01:05
CNN wont load for me though.
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 01:05
Also...


Okay, that's two questions. Stop being so pedantic, CTOAN.


Spazz.
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:06
So here is a question I think they SHOULD ask.

What positive ads are you running? Give their names so our audience can look them up, and in what markets are you playing them?

What negative ads are you running? Give their names so our audience can look them up. In what markets are you playing them?
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:06
are you SO desperate to beat me that you make the thread an hour in advance?

And Kyronea still beat me.
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 01:07
Here's a spot for a Live debate discussion.

Also, I wanted to preface it with a question.

What question would you ask the candidates if you could (try to make them fair questions)?

Also, how good are you at predicting? Let's here what questions you think we'll see tonight.

Okay, that's two questions. Stop being so pedantic, CTOAN.



Note: Hehe, beatcha, suckas!!

Last week I found a site that let me submit a question they said was going to be sent to the debate moderator. We'll just see if it actually gets asked. If I remember how I phrased it correctly it was "Do you support same sex marriage? If so why? If not do you have a reason that is based on something other than religion?"
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 01:08
I got my beer ready to go. I think I shall be providing the color commentary this evening.
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 01:09
I suggest we move this over to Jocabias' post on the same topic, as it has more replies.
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 01:09
ok, ill watch this thread then.
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 01:10
And Kyronea still beat me.

This one's more popular though.
Kyronea
08-10-2008, 01:10
Kyronea is a David Hasselhoff fan. He has tattoos of the Hoff on both checks, both sets.

Also, I wrote this fifteen minutes ago and forgot to hit submit. Stupid phone. Stupid work. Stupid young people from Colorado.

:D

You can feel free to worship me now.
New Genoa
08-10-2008, 01:10
CNN wont load for me though.

try cspan, though you may have to install a plugin if you use firefox
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 01:12
try cspan, though you may have to install a plugin if you use firefox

Nah, CNN finally loaded, and when I finally navigated to the feed, it made me download plugins, which wouldn't download for some reason. So now I'm waiting for it to all load up again on IE. My internet really sucks today. :mad:
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 01:13
I could be watching the pre-show, but instead I'm watching an old episode of Dogfights.

Overall, I feel it's about the same.
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 01:15
Anyway, my question to McCain: Why do you feel the need to fight this election with outright lies, and why are you making the decision now to even step that up? Why dont you think you can win on the issues?
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:16
:D

You can feel free to worship me now.

Tell you what, hold your breath and I'll pray to you that you can survive without air.
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:19
Anyway, my question to McCain: Why do you feel the need to fight this election with outright lies, and why are you making the decision now to even step that up? Why dont you think you can win on the issues?

Uh, yeah, that's not really going to fly. It doesn't even meet my requirements, let alone theirs. It might be considered just a bit partisan. Both candidates lie. A lot.
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 01:19
Uh, yeah, that's not really going to fly. It doesn't even meet my requirements, let alone theirs. It might be considered just a bit partisan. Both candidates lie. A lot.

Would be great entertainment however.
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 01:20
My question would be: "Halo" or "Spore"?
Gauthier
08-10-2008, 01:21
My question would be: "Halo" or "Spore"?

Why not both? Create unique new life forms, then gun 'em down with your Spartan army.
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:23
My question would be: "Halo" or "Spore"?

"Both Halo and Spore have much to offer in terms of life lessons. I respect the users of both products or either product. I won't drag my campaign down with partisan evaluations of unrealistic video games."
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:23
Another question. How do you define winning in Iraq?
Wilgrove
08-10-2008, 01:27
Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 01:28
Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

Because most people dont give a shit about what he has to say.
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:30
Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

Because Sarah Palin is more likely to become President.
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 01:31
"Both Halo and Spore have much to offer in terms of life lessons. I respect the users of both products or either product. I won't drag my campaign down with partisan evaluations of unrealistic video games."

And that would have been a perfectly acceptable answer.

I wonder if either of them would have given it. :)
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 01:31
Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

As what... Moderator?
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 01:31
Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

why would they? This is a debate between people, one of which will become president of the United States. Not a debate amongst people who might be president of the United States, and Bob Barr.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 01:32
As what... Moderator?

No, they won't even let him it AT ALL. Which is pretty rude I think. Least they can do is let the man have a seat in the audience.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 01:33
Because Sarah Palin is more likely to become President.

actually, mathematically Sarah Palin has, I would say, about a 8.5% chance of being president.

Which is CONSIDERABLY more than Bob Barr
Wilgrove
08-10-2008, 01:33
Because most people dont give a shit about what he has to say.

So, you have a hive mind with the rest of the world?

Because Sarah Palin is more likely to become President.

Yea, So I guess the whole "By the people, for the people".... was just a pointless catch phrase?
The Cat-Tribe
08-10-2008, 01:33
Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

'Cuz he didn't meet the criteria created by the putatively non-partisan Commission on Presidential Debates. linky (http://www.debates.org/pages/news_091708.html)

Notice I refrained from mentioning that he is a raving loon, is really an authoritarian prick, and has no chance of winning even a token number of votes. Oops, I guess I didn't refrain.
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 01:34
No, they won't even let him it AT ALL.

Why?
Wilgrove
08-10-2008, 01:35
why would they? This is a debate between people, one of which will become president of the United States. Not a debate amongst people who might be president of the United States, and Bob Barr.

I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.
The Cat-Tribe
08-10-2008, 01:35
Yea, So I guess the whole "By the people, for the people".... was just a pointless catch phrase?

WTF does a line from Lincoln's Gettysburg Address have to do with whether fringe candidates should participate in presidential debates?
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 01:35
'Cuz he didn't meet the criteria created by the putatively non-partisan Commission on Presidential Debates. linky (http://www.debates.org/pages/news_091708.html)

Notice I refrained from mentioning that he is a raving loon, is really an authoritarian prick, and has no chance of winning even a token number of votes. Oops, I guess I didn't refrain.

but you hid it nicely :)
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 01:36
I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

Probably because third parties suck.
The Cat-Tribe
08-10-2008, 01:36
I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

So what's your idea? Everybody that might want to be President is included in the debate? How many people would that be?
Free Soviets
08-10-2008, 01:37
No, they won't even let him it AT ALL. Which is pretty rude I think. Least they can do is let the man have a seat in the audience.

haha, i remember when that actually happened to nader
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 01:37
I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

For the majority of Americans, there ARE only two parties.

That's a weakness in the system, maybe - but that's their democratic right - to totally ignore the politician that gets you all wet.

Why do you hate their freedom?
Kyronea
08-10-2008, 01:37
Tell you what, hold your breath and I'll pray to you that you can survive without air.

:D

Mods, please merge this thread into mine, as mine was made earlier.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 01:37
I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

You presume to speak for the American people at large? Why should they let Bob Barr in on the debate, over, say...me?
Pepe Dominguez
08-10-2008, 01:38
I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

There really are only two parties to choose from, if you want a chance at voting for the winner.
Pepe Dominguez
08-10-2008, 01:40
You presume to speak for the American people at large? Why should they let Bob Barr in on the debate, over, say...me?

Because the Libertarian Party is special, of course.
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:42
:D

Mods, please merge this thread into mine, as mine was made earlier.

Uh-oh, he's flopping for the refs. If and when they merge the threads, you can live with the knowledge the all the replies you're getting are actually to my thread. Bwahahaha, cough, bwahahaha.
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 01:42
Because the Libertarian Party is special, of course.
Now, now. All the parties are special in their own way.

The LP just happens to be slightly more special. Maybe they should have their own debate
Wilgrove
08-10-2008, 01:43
You presume to speak for the American people at large? Why should they let Bob Barr in on the debate, over, say...me?

Because you're Jewish, people already know that you're people are in charge of the world, and that this whole "election" thing is a farce. *If you can't tell this is a joke, then I feel sorry for you*

Seriously though, if you have the money, and the manpower to run a campaign, and if you want to be a part of the political process, I don't see why you shouldn't be included in at least one debate.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 01:43
Because the Libertarian Party is special, of course.

Am I the only one amused by libertarians whining that a totally private group chose to exclude their candidate from their privately hosted debates?

Just goes to show the utter hypocrisy of most libertarians. Freedom for everyone, unless they use that freedom in ways that I don't like.
Pepe Dominguez
08-10-2008, 01:44
Now, now. All the parties are special in their own way.

The LP just happens to be slightly more special. Maybe they should have their own debate

Won't they? The networks carried third-party debates in '04.
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:44
You presume to speak for the American people at large? Why should they let Bob Barr in on the debate, over, say...me?

To be fair, you're not running for President. However, debates with fifteen people aren't particularly interesting or effective. We're trying to find out about our future President. Bob Barr has 0 chance of being our future President. Both candidates could die and they could end up with replacements chosen on Nov 3 and one of them would still win.
Kyronea
08-10-2008, 01:45
Uh-oh, he's flopping for the refs. If and when they merge the threads, you can live with the knowledge the all the replies you're getting are actually to my thread. Bwahahaha, cough, bwahahaha.

I...I...

http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-cry.gif
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 01:45
Seriously though, if you have the money, and the manpower to run a campaign, and if you want to be a part of the political process, I don't see why you shouldn't be included in at least one debate.

because the private organization decided he did not meet the criteria for invitations to their privately hosted debates.

You don't see why not? Because the organization that runs them decided they didn't want him, since he failed to meet the criteria necessary to secure an invitation.

Isn't that the fundamentals of libertarianism?
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 01:45
So. How will you be snacking during the debate? I can't afford alcohol so I won't be doing any drinking games, but as, apparently, a 'liberal elite' (I do have a graduate degree from a liberal college) I've settled on sliced turkey, grapes, brie cheese and stale wheat thins.
Pepe Dominguez
08-10-2008, 01:45
Am I the only one amused by libertarians whining that a totally private group chose to exclude their candidate from their privately hosted debates?

Just goes to show the utter hypocrisy of most libertarians. Freedom for everyone, unless they use that freedom in ways that I don't like.

Most Libertarians can be converted by exposure to a small number of hypotheticals, thankfully.
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 01:45
Because you're Jewish, people already know that you're people are in charge of the world, and that this whole "election" thing is a farce. *If you can't tell this is a joke, then I feel sorry for you*

Seriously though, if you have the money, and the manpower to run a campaign, and if you want to be a part of the political process, I don't see why you shouldn't be included in at least one debate.

Because this group didn't want him? Because he doesn't actually have any impact on the election (ie, can't win an electoral vote), and that's what they want?
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 01:46
Seriously though, if you have the money, and the manpower to run a campaign, and if you want to be a part of the political process, I don't see why you shouldn't be included in at least one debate.

Because it's a waste of time and money (or air time), since not enough people care about what he has to say. Think about it economically, there is not enough demand to justify putting him on.
Kyronea
08-10-2008, 01:46
To be fair, you're not running for President. However, debates with fifteen people aren't particularly interesting or effective. We're trying to find out about our future President. Bob Barr has 0 chance of being our future President. Both candidates could die and they could end up with replacements chosen on Nov 3 and one of them would still win.

Indeed.

What I suggest instead is that the debates allow in any who have a good chance. During this election, it's just Obama and McCain, but in the next election there might be a viable independent, and if so, said independent should be allowed in.

There isn't any viable one in this election however.

And there really usually isn't because the parties are so dominating. Almost every competent politician joins one of these two parties, and as such the third parties end up being more like a celebration of lunatics with a few good sprinkles mixed in rather than truly competitive parties.
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 01:47
So. How will you be snacking during the debate? I can't afford alchahol so I won't be doing any drinking games, but as, apparently, a 'liberal elite' (I do have a graduate degree from a liberal college) I've settled on sliced turkey, grapes, brie cheese and stale wheat thins.

Gin and iced tea (I forgot to grab a mixer earlier), a few slices of foccocia, and some half sour pickles.
Pepe Dominguez
08-10-2008, 01:49
So. How will you be snacking during the debate? I can't afford alchahol so I won't be doing any drinking games, but as, apparently, a 'liberal elite' (I do have a graduate degree from a liberal college) I've settled on sliced turkey, grapes, brie cheese and stale wheat thins.

Ooh, I guess that makes me part of the liberal elite as well. Could be worse. I'll be eating home-made churros with champurrado. Traditional debate food.
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 01:49
So. How will you be snacking during the debate? I can't afford alcohol so I won't be doing any drinking games, but as, apparently, a 'liberal elite' (I do have a graduate degree from a liberal college) I've settled on sliced turkey, grapes, brie cheese and stale wheat thins.

I'm actually drinking alcohol right now. I have the day off tomorrow, so I thought I might as well stay up for something, alcohol keeps me awake for some reason.

edit: oh and the drink is Magners.
The Cat-Tribe
08-10-2008, 01:49
Seriously though, if you have the money, and the manpower to run a campaign, and if you want to be a part of the political process, I don't see why you shouldn't be included in at least one debate.

Seriously, though, if you have the money and the manpower to run a campaign and you want to be a part of the political process, why can't you meet the basic criteria for inclusion in the debates?

Oh, yeah, it's because you can't get enough support to qualify. :eek:

End of discussion.
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:50
So. How will you be snacking during the debate? I can't afford alcohol so I won't be doing any drinking games, but as, apparently, a 'liberal elite' (I do have a graduate degree from a liberal college) I've settled on sliced turkey, grapes, brie cheese and stale wheat thins.

I'm a conservative engineer so, of course, I'm drinking Pale ale, eating nuts and .... voting for Obama. Hehe.
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 01:50
Because it's a waste of time and money (or air time), since not enough people care about what he has to say. Think about it economically, there is not enough demand to justify putting him on.

Not to mention - how are you going to persuade people to sit through a debate that's three... four... eight... times longer?

I'll watch an hour-and-a-half debate that host serious contendors. I'm going to need a PRETTY good reason to sit through twelve hours, most of the answers for which are going to be from random people.

And, I'm a lot MORE interested in the third party thing than the average voter.
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:51
QUESTIONS!!! TCT is here and he hasn't proposed a question. I quit!
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 01:51
Indeed.

What I suggest instead is that the debates allow in any who have a good chance. During this election, it's just Obama and McCain, but in the next election there might be a viable independent, and if so, said independent should be allowed in.

There isn't any viable one in this election however.

And there really usually isn't because the parties are so dominating. Almost every competent politician joins one of these two parties, and as such the third parties end up being more like a celebration of lunatics with a few good sprinkles mixed in rather than truly competitive parties.

which is, in fact, exactly their criteria:

Pursuant to the criteria, which were publicly announced on November 19, 2007, those candidates qualify for debate participation who (1) are constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President of the United States; (2) have achieved ballot access in a sufficient number of states to win a theoretical Electoral College majority in the general election; and (3) have demonstrated a level of support of at least 15 percent of the national electorate, as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations' most recent publicly-reported results.
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 01:51
McDonalds Chicken Sandwich and Mountain Dew.

I'm obviously the proletariat in this scenario. :)
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 01:52
QUESTIONS!!! TCT is here and he hasn't proposed a question. I quit!

how about "Senator Obama, if you were watching this debate, what would you be snacking on"?
Kyronea
08-10-2008, 01:52
Pfft. Your thread is getting all the replies just because you're more popular.
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 01:53
Mountain Dew.


That's banned in the UK apparently, is it like a super strong red bull or something?
The Cat-Tribe
08-10-2008, 01:53
Indeed.

What I suggest instead is that the debates allow in any who have a good chance. During this election, it's just Obama and McCain, but in the next election there might be a viable independent, and if so, said independent should be allowed in.

There isn't any viable one in this election however.

And there really usually isn't because the parties are so dominating. Almost every competent politician joins one of these two parties, and as such the third parties end up being more like a celebration of lunatics with a few good sprinkles mixed in rather than truly competitive parties.

There have been independents in the debates before.

There is nothing inherent in the debate set-up that excludes third parties.

Any party that meets the preset criteria can participate. Under those criteria set by the Commission on Presidential Debates, those candidates qualify for debate participation who (1) are constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President of the United States; (2) have achieved ballot access in a sufficient number of states to win a theoretical Electoral College majority in the general election; and (3) have demonstrated a level of support of at least 15 percent of the national electorate.
Pepe Dominguez
08-10-2008, 01:55
That's banned in the UK apparently, is it like a super strong red bull or something?

Don't they have decaf Mountain Dew there, like in Canada? But no, it's not that strong. Less so than Red Bull per ounce.
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 01:56
That's banned in the UK apparently, is it like a super strong red bull or something?

Nah - I am drinking the 'stimulant' Mountain Dew rather than the 'normal' one, but it's only big unusual factor is Ginseng. It is pretty good though, and keeps me awake better than coffee....

EDIT: Checked the ingredients: 54mg/can caffeine - no mention how much Ginseng.
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 01:59
there have been independents in the debates before.

There is nothing inherent in the debate set-up that excludes third parties.

Any party that meets the preset criteria can participate. Under those criteria set by the commission on presidential debates, those candidates qualify for debate participation who (1) are constitutionally eligible to hold the office of president of the united states; (2) have achieved ballot access in a sufficient number of states to win a theoretical electoral college majority in the general election; and (3) have demonstrated a level of support of at least 15 percent of the national electorate.

laaaaate!
Kyronea
08-10-2008, 01:59
which is, in fact, exactly their criteria:

There have been independents in the debates before.

There is nothing inherent in the debate set-up that excludes third parties.

Any party that meets the preset criteria can participate. Under those criteria set by the Commission on Presidential Debates, those candidates qualify for debate participation who (1) are constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President of the United States; (2) have achieved ballot access in a sufficient number of states to win a theoretical Electoral College majority in the general election; and (3) have demonstrated a level of support of at least 15 percent of the national electorate.
Well, okay then. That's settled.

I don't know what Wilgrove is complaining about then. If Bob Barr can't meet the requirements, then he doesn't deserve to be in the debate.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:00
and we are OFF
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:00
Here we go gents.

EDIT: I didnt know there were moderators in a town hall style debate. This actually makes me feel better.
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:02
Watching Brokaw wait for his cue on C-SPAN is funky...
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 02:02
I love the fact that Internet questions are mentioned. Democracy has never been closer to the people. :)
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 02:02
Don't they have decaf Mountain Dew there, like in Canada? But no, it's not that strong. Less so than Red Bull per ounce.

Nah - I am drinking the 'stimulant' Mountain Dew rather than the 'normal' one, but it's only big unusual factor is Ginseng. It is pretty good though, and keeps me awake better than coffee....

EDIT: Checked the ingredients: 54mg/can caffeine - no mention how much Ginseng.

Ok, I don't think it's banned. I think my friend was trying to sound more hardcore. He did have to import it though since they don't sell it over here. That sucks, because Red Bull comes only in tiny cans, and they rip you off, and Relentless is really hard to find.

/thread jack
Wilgrove
08-10-2008, 02:02
Lets get it on!
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 02:02
Questions submitted via e-mail over the internet. Submitted over the internet as oppose to what? Questions submitted via e-mail through the fucking post office?
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:03
Here we go gents.

EDIT: I didnt know there were moderators in a town hall style debate. This actually makes me feel better.

It'd be a cage match without one.

Hey, we can cheer and yell! Tom gave us permission!
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:03
"The audience has agreed to be polite and attentive and withhold applaus and outbursts. Those of youat home are not so constrained."


Thanks Tom. Got my beer cans and dart board ready.
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:03
McCain is already taking notes?
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 02:04
Alan Shafer has an awesome accent.
The Cat-Tribe
08-10-2008, 02:04
QUESTIONS!!! TCT is here and he hasn't proposed a question. I quit!

The Supreme Court recently held that detainees at Guantanamo Bay have the right to habeas corpus. See Boumediene v. Bush (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=06-1195), 553 U.S. ___ (2008).John McCain said that decision was "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country." link (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/13/mccain-guantanamo-ruling-one-of-the-worst-decisions-in-history/)

Three questions:
1) Name some of the "worst [Supreme Court] decisions in the history of this country"

2) Why does John McCain hate our Constitution?

3) Why does John McCain side with the Sherrif of Nottingham on "the ancient right of anyone seized by the king to cry out from the dungeon and say, 'I've been wrongly jailed!'"?
linky (http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/09/exit-strategy-pursuit-of-habeas.html)

I admit these questions might be slightly partisan. :wink:
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:05
Was someone saying "Yeah!" in the audience?
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 02:05
there were lots of "thank you"'s already
Free Soviets
08-10-2008, 02:06
McCain is already taking notes?

it was really just a doodle of him looking all muscular and stuff after winning the presidency
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:06
I will be keeping track of the analyst point spread for each candidate, as listed on CNN, as it goes.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:06
wow, undecided voters are EATING this shit up. Obama's line JUMPED.
Leistung
08-10-2008, 02:06
"Thank you. Thank you! Thank you? Thank you..."

I hate these things.
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:07
Jesus Christ. McCain goes into energy independence.
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 02:07
yes. No raised taxes today. Tomorrow, maybe.
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:07
McCain's getting a little close for comfort >_>
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:07
McCain should know all about home values. Hes got ten of em.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:07
McCain seems to be getting uncomfortably close to the audience.
The Cat-Tribe
08-10-2008, 02:08
laaaaate!

Meh. I referred to the criteria and provided a link with the quote Neo Art used in this early post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14078594&postcount=43).

*does smug dance*

*then goes to watch debate*
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:08
How about McCain donates his other homes to people that need them. :p
Poliwanacraca
08-10-2008, 02:08
"These young Americans," McCain says, as he points to a row full of people who look about 50... :P
Lunatic Goofballs
08-10-2008, 02:08
Moving around makes him look so old.
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 02:08
wow, undecided voters are EATING this shit up. Obama's line JUMPED.

McCain on the other hand seems to be flat lining.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:08
"These young Americans," McCain says, as he points to a row full of people who look about 50... :P

Hey, they're pretty damned young to him.
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 02:08
McCain looks like a televangelist.
The_pantless_hero
08-10-2008, 02:09
McCain said "I know how to do" something, twice. Take two shots!
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:09
If McCain says "my friends" one more time, Im going to beat him like the jailer at the Han...ok that was low.

I like how McCain talked about this proposal he has thats all his, but didnt say it.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:09
"not you tom"

WTF?
Ashmoria
08-10-2008, 02:09
HE'S GOING TO WHAT?

buy up all the house mortgages in the country where the house value has fallen??!!
Shilah
08-10-2008, 02:09
For a second there, I thought McCain was going to walk up and sit in Alan's lap.
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:09
Uh... okay McCain. That was a bit of a weird thing to say. Not you Brokaw. Duh...
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:09
Oh hey, follow up questions...

Nice touch naming an Obama supporter as his first pick...
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:10
the line is just deadpan on McCain, not down, just not up either.
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 02:11
Nice Reganomics reference.
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 02:11
Ahh why do they have to get up and walk around, it's just... awkward.
Poliwanacraca
08-10-2008, 02:11
I bet Warren Buffet would be a pretty awesome Secretary of the Treasury.
Andaluciae
08-10-2008, 02:11
On CNN, what the hell is that on the bottom of the screen? Is it McCain's EKG?
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:11
the line is just deadpan on McCain, not down, just not up either.

Glad to hear.
Zilam
08-10-2008, 02:11
"not you tom"

WTF?



WTF indeed. Why not me? :(
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 02:12
it isn't a bailout...it's a RESCUE!
Lunatic Goofballs
08-10-2008, 02:12
Tom lays down the law.
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:12
McCains talking about his "suspending" of his campaign.


Didnt his campaign tell him that the American people saw right through that.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:12
On CNN, what the hell is that on the bottom of the screen? Is it McCain's EKG?

it's the reaction by a room of independants and uncommitted voters cnn has, line goes up, they like it. Line goes down, they don't.

Although considering how high it goes when Obama speaks, and how low it goes when McCain does, it might as well be his EKG.
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 02:12
wait...he just brought up that he suspended his campaign
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:12
.... Obama said go give people loans? Riiiight.
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:13
"There were some of us that stood up, two years ago..."


I wasnt one of them Tom. I was still licking my wounds from Keating.
Frisbeeteria
08-10-2008, 02:13
Obama evaded. Buffett wasn't enough of an answer.

Not that McCain's was much better ...
Poliwanacraca
08-10-2008, 02:13
"I bet you never even heard of Fannie Mae, uneducated schmuck!" Thanks, Johnny boy, but some of us actually pay some attention to major players in our economy, even if you don't.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:13
woah "you might not have heard of them", line DROPPED. People did NOT like being told "you don't know anything"
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:13
Did he just insult that guy? Dude, I'm poor as hell and knew what Fanny Mae and Freddie Mack were...maybe not spell it, but sheesh...

McCain is kinda digging in, really...
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:13
I think McCains got wood for Alan.
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 02:13
What the hell caused that shark fin?
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:13
Points from CNN analysts, 11 to 5 Obama.
Free Soviets
08-10-2008, 02:14
On CNN, what the hell is that on the bottom of the screen? Is it McCain's EKG?

that would be an awesome use of screen space - heart rate monitors
Leistung
08-10-2008, 02:14
Wow I hate these two...it's like dumb and dumber (and older) out there...
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 02:14
I love how pedantic we're all being :D
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:15
"I have to correct a little bit of Senator McCain's history, not surprisingly".

NICE
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:15
"Ive got to correct a little bit of McCain's history, not suprisingly"

Aw Sheit! Obamas got teeth!
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:15
I feel like Obama actually explained why the bailout was necessary and McCain just didn't answer that question, more how we got there. Granted, Obama just went off on history too. *sigh*
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:15
Obama evaded. Buffett wasn't enough of an answer.

Not that McCain's was much better ...
To be fair, he listed like 5 different people. That's about as much as an answer you can give.

"Not surprisingly" Zing!
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 02:15
We should so get paid for this....
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 02:15
I love how pedantic we're all being :D

Is there any other way?
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 02:15
". . . Not surprisingly"

BURN
Frisbeeteria
08-10-2008, 02:15
Obama needs new talking points. This is his chance to be a LEADER, not just repeating stump speeches.
New Genoa
08-10-2008, 02:16
oooh, obama bitchslapped mccain. "I have to correct Senator McCain...not surprisingly." this gonna get nasty
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:16
Fuck this Im watchin CNN. I dont want to rely on Neo Art for this read outs.
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 02:16
"I have to correct a little bit of Senator McCain's history, not surprisingly".

NICE

Since I'm watching an internet stream, this was posted before Obama said it for me. Freaked me out for a second, you almost looked as psychic as McCain.
Muravyets
08-10-2008, 02:16
that would be an awesome use of screen space - heart rate monitors
I love those lines, but here's my suggestion:

CNN should project them on screens at the back of the auditorium, facing the stage, where the debaters can see them. Think about it...
Shilah
08-10-2008, 02:16
I'd have to give points to Obama on that one. Dealt with McCain's accusations handily, as well.
Leistung
08-10-2008, 02:16
Obama needs new talking points. This is his chance to be a LEADER, not just repeating stump speeches.

Yeah, I feel like I've heard this stuff 5 times...from both of them, not just Obama.
Andaluciae
08-10-2008, 02:17
it's the reaction by a room of independants and uncommitted voters cnn has, line goes up, they like it. Line goes down, they don't.

Although considering how high it goes when Obama speaks, and how low it goes when McCain does, it might as well be his EKG.

Ah, that makes sense.

Does anyone think that Obama looks like he's gained three or four years since the start of this campaign?
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:17
The women seem to be loving Obama's talking points.
Frisbeeteria
08-10-2008, 02:17
Oooh, playing the International card. That's a good new item.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:17
Obama's line SPIKED once he started talking about the american people.
Leistung
08-10-2008, 02:18
Ah, that makes sense.

Does anyone think that Obama looks like he's gained three or four years since the start of this campaign?

Anyone else think that McCain looks like he's gained three or four hundred years since the start of this campaign?
The_pantless_hero
08-10-2008, 02:18
I'm waiting for Obama to put his hand up and try to squish McCain's head between his fingers.
Frisbeeteria
08-10-2008, 02:18
Yeah, *I* wrote a letter too. With my very own quill and ink.
Free Soviets
08-10-2008, 02:18
the stern letter, america's most potent weapon
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:18
I love those lines, but here's my suggestion:

CNN should project them on screens at the back of the auditorium, facing the stage, where the debaters can see them. Think about it...

Greater chance of McCain losing it and calling the audience a group of assholes.


"You weren't on my letter, neener neener!"
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:18
We're the best exporters? Really? I guess if we talk about exporting jobs...
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:18
cnn analyst points: 17 to ...2
Shilah
08-10-2008, 02:18
Did McCain just say that American workers are the "best importers"? Yay?
New Genoa
08-10-2008, 02:18
Yeah, I feel like I've heard this stuff 5 times...from both of them, not just Obama.

I'm kind of disappointed in Obama, right now. I felt Biden dealt much more directly with the questions at the VP debate. But we'll see.
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:18
HHAHA.... How can we trust either of you. :D
Poliwanacraca
08-10-2008, 02:19
Teresa is too nervous to read her own notes. Poor lady. :p
Wilgrove
08-10-2008, 02:19
Teresa Finch doesn't seem to be too comfortable with public speaking.
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 02:19
To be fair, it isn't really of McCain's time...he did see part of the great depression...
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 02:19
Yeah, *I* wrote a letter too. With my very own quill and ink.

Doesn't count unless you sealed it with wax.
Frisbeeteria
08-10-2008, 02:19
"How can we trust either of you?"

Way to go, questioner!
The_pantless_hero
08-10-2008, 02:19
I have one question. What the fuck is McCain looking for every time Obama starts speaking? His rescue monitor?
Jocabia
08-10-2008, 02:20
I love that Obama pegged the meters and McCain was just above what it's at when Brokaw talks.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:20
is McCain just wandering around the stage?
Lunatic Goofballs
08-10-2008, 02:20
Why did they choose someone with a speech impediment to read one of the best questions?
Hydesland
08-10-2008, 02:20
They should give them 30 seconds or something perhaps to prepare a good answer, might stop waffling a bit.
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:20
Obama SPIKED when he talked about his health care plan
Wilgrove
08-10-2008, 02:20
Wow Obama just buried the needle there.
Free Soviets
08-10-2008, 02:20
obama, don't leave the debt to just bush. toss it at all republican presidencies for the past couple decades. the data is there
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:21
Holy God look how high Obama was....
Frisbeeteria
08-10-2008, 02:21
McCain: I can see why you see cynicism and mistrust. You must have read some of my bios."
The_pantless_hero
08-10-2008, 02:21
5 to 1 odds McCain mentions being in Vietnam in the next 5 minutes.
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:21
Haha. Rambo mentions Libermen, and it goes down.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:22
23 to 3. Obama's line SPIKED during his comment, McCain's is only slightly up above baseline.
Muravyets
08-10-2008, 02:22
Campaing finance reform??? McCain-Feingold??? Really??? Didn't he abandon his own reform on that one when it came to financing his own campaign? Why, yes, actually, he did.
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:22
He calls Obamaa big spending liberal and it went down.
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 02:22
Question that should be being asked: "How can the GOP candidate promise to kill pork, when the GOP has said they won't let him do so"...?
Poliwanacraca
08-10-2008, 02:22
McCain takes on "the big money people," apparently. That specificity sure is encouraging...
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:22
I've heard this point against Obama before... and didn't Obama just go over how he wouldn't spend more money? o.O
Wilgrove
08-10-2008, 02:22
McCain attacks on Obama isn't working....
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:23
in fairness, that earmark comment was good for McCain. Audience didn't seem to buy it though.
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 02:23
wait...he's supported every increase in spending, but is against the troops?
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:23
LMAO. Did he just talk about a projector for the Adler Planetarium? That's not just a projector where you press the "On" button.....
Wilgrove
08-10-2008, 02:23
Hmm, McCain talks about the issues, line goes up. He attacks, it goes down....
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:23
Do we need to spend tha kind of money on education when it could be spent on blowing up brown people and ruskies?
Free Soviets
08-10-2008, 02:23
pork doesn't seem to move the lines much.

also, the planetarium is fucking awesome, thank you very much
Muravyets
08-10-2008, 02:23
The lines are just painful. :D << me suffering for McCain.
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:23
"How can we trust either of you?" "Well, because Obama is a LIBERAL!!! So clearly you can trust me..."
Poliwanacraca
08-10-2008, 02:23
Obama spends money on planetariums? OH MY GOD HE'S OUT TO EDUCATE US ABOUT SCIENCE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:23
he talks nuclear line goes up a bit.
Shilah
08-10-2008, 02:23
McCain needs a new phrase here, because he's overused "pork barrel project" - at least in my mind. It annoys me.
Gauthier
08-10-2008, 02:24
And of course McSame started off on trying to chip away at Obama's character, par for the course.

P.S. Where do you see these poll results?
The_pantless_hero
08-10-2008, 02:24
Best thing that will happen all night - McCain walks into the Obama focused camera during the split screen.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:24
the analysts are just lapping Obama up. 24 to 4
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 02:25
McCain is doing a stump speech, not hitting the 3 point debate question.

He's learning from Palin.
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:25
Dude, you can't campaign and be a senator at once, apparently...you want to do three things at once now?

And reaching out to Lieberman is reaching across the aisle? Way to go, stretch...
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:25
the polling lines are on CNN HD.
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:25
Wait, did I miss something or did he say some of the 700billion could end up in terrorists' hands?
Leistung
08-10-2008, 02:26
5 to 1 odds McCain mentions being in Vietnam in the next 5 minutes.

I see your Vietnam and raise you a POW story.
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 02:26
Answer the question McCain!
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:26
Best thing that will happen all night - McCain walks into the Obama focused camera during the split screen.

maybe it's my bias, but when he paces like that he looks like a senile old man.
Andaluciae
08-10-2008, 02:26
is McCain just wandering around the stage?

I just wondered about that on the phone with my friend Ashley.
Frisbeeteria
08-10-2008, 02:26
Obama drove past a gas pump. Nice that he's connected to $3.80 gas.
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 02:26
There went the impartial moderator.
Muravyets
08-10-2008, 02:26
I wish we could host one of these things.
Shilah
08-10-2008, 02:27
I see your Vietnam and raise you a POW story.

I call. And raise a "Maverick."
Frisbeeteria
08-10-2008, 02:27
Wait, did I miss something or did he say some of the 700billion could end up in terrorists' hands?

I heard that. I think he was calling the Saudis terrorists.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:27
Obama lays out a specific "I will get rid of dependance on foreign oil" and the needle buries. He is WRECKING this, hardcore.
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:27
My god Fris, am I actually cheaper than you? $3.55 here.
Poliwanacraca
08-10-2008, 02:27
You could just see McCain thinking "shit shit shit I have no idea what order people want to hear these in" during the "priorities" question...
Andaluciae
08-10-2008, 02:27
And reaching out to Lieberman is reaching across the aisle? Way to go, stretch...

Admittedly, with the exception of all issues Middle East, Lieberman is pretty far to the left in the US Senate. He's not Bernia Sanders, but he's no conservative.
Cannot think of a name
08-10-2008, 02:27
Obama spends money on planetariums? OH MY GOD HE'S OUT TO EDUCATE US ABOUT SCIENCE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Laser Floyd!
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:28
OK, your time's up, sit down.
Leistung
08-10-2008, 02:28
I call. And raise a "Maverick."

Oooh, I'll call that easy--raise you a "He'll raise our taxes!!!"
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 02:28
"GUYS! FUCKING WATCH THE CLOCK!"


ohh...interwebz time!
Poliwanacraca
08-10-2008, 02:28
Ooh, I like the "sacrifice" question.
Muravyets
08-10-2008, 02:28
78 year old Theora knows how to use a computer. Why doesn't McCain?
New Genoa
08-10-2008, 02:29
Where are you guys seeing these lines? I'm watching the cnn live stream.
Grave_n_idle
08-10-2008, 02:29
My god Fris, am I actually cheaper than you? $3.55 here.

Oh, so many possible jokes, so little time...
Frisbeeteria
08-10-2008, 02:29
My god Fris, am I actually cheaper than you? $3.55 here.

It's $4.29 in Asheville, NC, where Obama did his debate prep (my home town). He said it was $3.80 in Nashville, TN. That shows he's paying attention.
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:29
did...did McCain just advocate lowering defense spending? REALLY? Mister "I'm the best on national security"?
Sdaeriji
08-10-2008, 02:29
Someone catch me up; I just got the debate going now.
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:29
..... He mentions the projector again. Seriously... idiotic
Shilah
08-10-2008, 02:29
Haha McCain just went back on the projector...
Knights of Liberty
08-10-2008, 02:29
Obama lays out a specific "I will get rid of dependance on foreign oil" and the needle buries. He is WRECKING this, hardcore.

Its really not even funny.
Redwulf
08-10-2008, 02:29
OK, your time's up, sit down.

The moderator needs a buzzer. *bzzt* "STFU now."
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:30
Where are you guys seeing these lines? I'm watching the cnn live stream.

it's only on CNN high def.
Sarkhaan
08-10-2008, 02:30
spending freeze? That just doesn't work...
Andaluciae
08-10-2008, 02:30
I'm taking a drink every time McCain says "friends" or "my friends".
The_pantless_hero
08-10-2008, 02:30
"I saved the US government 6.8 billion dollars by stopping a sweetheart deal with Boeing... which turned into a drawn out process which the air force royally fucked up and now we have spent billions of dollars and the program is delayed!"
Neo Art
08-10-2008, 02:30
31 to 5
Erastide
08-10-2008, 02:30
Uh... did he actually say something we had to sacrifice?