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I thought I'd get this thread made about an hour in advance, since the debate is pretty soon now.

We'll be commentating on the debate here. (Or, you guys will be. I'll be wrangled into watching it on television by my parents again. :rolleyes: )

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/obama-debate.html


Translation: "John, if you want a slugging match, we can knock your ass out. So watch it."

Watching the Fox pe-coverage, and they just ran an article about how Ohio's policy of allowing registration and voting on the same day is worrying the GOP, because of the risk of voter fraud.

Because, of COURSE, if there's any fraud, it would have to be Democrats.... :rolleyes:

Here's a spot for a Live debate discussion.

Also, I wanted to preface it with a question.

What question would you ask the candidates if you could (try to make them fair questions)?

Also, how good are you at predicting? Let's here what questions you think we'll see tonight.

Okay, that's two questions. Stop being so pedantic, CTOAN.



Note: Hehe, beatcha, suckas!!

Kyronea is a David Hasselhoff fan. He has tattoos of the Hoff on both cheeks, both sets.

Also, I wrote this fifteen minutes ago and forgot to hit submit. Stupid phone. Stupid work. Stupid young people from Colorado.

Watching the Fox pe-coverage, and they just ran an article about how Ohio's policy of allowing registration and voting on the same day is worrying the GOP, because of the risk of voter fraud.

Because, of COURSE, if there's any fraud, it would have to be Democrats.... :rolleyes:

to be fair, they are defining 'fraud' as 'people of color and young people and people who live in disproportionately democratic areas voting', so that really does give them cause for concern

are you SO desperate to beat me that you make the thread an hour in advance?

tee hee

:D

Is there a live stream of it anywhere?

CNN.com I believe runs a live stream.

I'm being either amused or horrified, I can't decide, by the fact that - within a minute of declaring the program a 'no-spin zone', the O'Reilly thing launched into an overview of all the questions McCain needs to put to Obama, in order to recover some ground.

Curiously - they neglected to talk (so far) about what Obama might want to ask.

No spin.... ahem.

Geez...the third debate's commentary thread is going to be made before this debate is over...

CNN wont load for me though.

Also...


Okay, that's two questions. Stop being so pedantic, CTOAN.


Spazz.

So here is a question I think they SHOULD ask.

What positive ads are you running? Give their names so our audience can look them up, and in what markets are you playing them?

What negative ads are you running? Give their names so our audience can look them up. In what markets are you playing them?

are you SO desperate to beat me that you make the thread an hour in advance?

And Kyronea still beat me.

Here's a spot for a Live debate discussion.

Also, I wanted to preface it with a question.

What question would you ask the candidates if you could (try to make them fair questions)?

Also, how good are you at predicting? Let's here what questions you think we'll see tonight.

Okay, that's two questions. Stop being so pedantic, CTOAN.



Note: Hehe, beatcha, suckas!!

Last week I found a site that let me submit a question they said was going to be sent to the debate moderator. We'll just see if it actually gets asked. If I remember how I phrased it correctly it was "Do you support same sex marriage? If so why? If not do you have a reason that is based on something other than religion?"

I got my beer ready to go. I think I shall be providing the color commentary this evening.

I suggest we move this over to Jocabias' post on the same topic, as it has more replies.

ok, ill watch this thread then.

And Kyronea still beat me.

This one's more popular though.

Kyronea is a David Hasselhoff fan. He has tattoos of the Hoff on both checks, both sets.

Also, I wrote this fifteen minutes ago and forgot to hit submit. Stupid phone. Stupid work. Stupid young people from Colorado.

:D

You can feel free to worship me now.

CNN wont load for me though.

try cspan, though you may have to install a plugin if you use firefox

try cspan, though you may have to install a plugin if you use firefox

Nah, CNN finally loaded, and when I finally navigated to the feed, it made me download plugins, which wouldn't download for some reason. So now I'm waiting for it to all load up again on IE. My internet really sucks today. :mad:

I could be watching the pre-show, but instead I'm watching an old episode of Dogfights.

Overall, I feel it's about the same.

Anyway, my question to McCain: Why do you feel the need to fight this election with outright lies, and why are you making the decision now to even step that up? Why dont you think you can win on the issues?

:D

You can feel free to worship me now.

Tell you what, hold your breath and I'll pray to you that you can survive without air.

Anyway, my question to McCain: Why do you feel the need to fight this election with outright lies, and why are you making the decision now to even step that up? Why dont you think you can win on the issues?

Uh, yeah, that's not really going to fly. It doesn't even meet my requirements, let alone theirs. It might be considered just a bit partisan. Both candidates lie. A lot.

Uh, yeah, that's not really going to fly. It doesn't even meet my requirements, let alone theirs. It might be considered just a bit partisan. Both candidates lie. A lot.

Would be great entertainment however.

My question would be: "Halo" or "Spore"?

My question would be: "Halo" or "Spore"?

Why not both? Create unique new life forms, then gun 'em down with your Spartan army.

My question would be: "Halo" or "Spore"?

"Both Halo and Spore have much to offer in terms of life lessons. I respect the users of both products or either product. I won't drag my campaign down with partisan evaluations of unrealistic video games."

Another question. How do you define winning in Iraq?

Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

Because most people dont give a shit about what he has to say.

Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

Because Sarah Palin is more likely to become President.

"Both Halo and Spore have much to offer in terms of life lessons. I respect the users of both products or either product. I won't drag my campaign down with partisan evaluations of unrealistic video games."

And that would have been a perfectly acceptable answer.

I wonder if either of them would have given it. :)

Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

As what... Moderator?

Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

why would they? This is a debate between people, one of which will become president of the United States. Not a debate amongst people who might be president of the United States, and Bob Barr.

As what... Moderator?

No, they won't even let him it AT ALL. Which is pretty rude I think. Least they can do is let the man have a seat in the audience.

Because Sarah Palin is more likely to become President.

actually, mathematically Sarah Palin has, I would say, about a 8.5% chance of being president.

Which is CONSIDERABLY more than Bob Barr

Because most people dont give a shit about what he has to say.

So, you have a hive mind with the rest of the world?

Because Sarah Palin is more likely to become President.

Yea, So I guess the whole "By the people, for the people".... was just a pointless catch phrase?

Why won't they let Bob Barr in tonight's debate? That's my question.

'Cuz he didn't meet the criteria created by the putatively non-partisan Commission on Presidential Debates. linky (http://www.debates.org/pages/news_091708.html)

Notice I refrained from mentioning that he is a raving loon, is really an authoritarian prick, and has no chance of winning even a token number of votes. Oops, I guess I didn't refrain.

No, they won't even let him it AT ALL.

Why?

why would they? This is a debate between people, one of which will become president of the United States. Not a debate amongst people who might be president of the United States, and Bob Barr.

I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

Yea, So I guess the whole "By the people, for the people".... was just a pointless catch phrase?

WTF does a line from Lincoln's Gettysburg Address have to do with whether fringe candidates should participate in presidential debates?

'Cuz he didn't meet the criteria created by the putatively non-partisan Commission on Presidential Debates. linky (http://www.debates.org/pages/news_091708.html)

Notice I refrained from mentioning that he is a raving loon, is really an authoritarian prick, and has no chance of winning even a token number of votes. Oops, I guess I didn't refrain.

but you hid it nicely :)

I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

Probably because third parties suck.

I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

So what's your idea? Everybody that might want to be President is included in the debate? How many people would that be?

No, they won't even let him it AT ALL. Which is pretty rude I think. Least they can do is let the man have a seat in the audience.

haha, i remember when that actually happened to nader

I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

For the majority of Americans, there ARE only two parties.

That's a weakness in the system, maybe - but that's their democratic right - to totally ignore the politician that gets you all wet.

Why do you hate their freedom?

Tell you what, hold your breath and I'll pray to you that you can survive without air.

:D

Mods, please merge this thread into mine, as mine was made earlier.

I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

You presume to speak for the American people at large? Why should they let Bob Barr in on the debate, over, say...me?

I believed in having an informed America, and as of right now, the majority of Americans seem to think there's only two parties to choose from. They're ignorant of all the other parties there are out there.

There really are only two parties to choose from, if you want a chance at voting for the winner.

You presume to speak for the American people at large? Why should they let Bob Barr in on the debate, over, say...me?

Because the Libertarian Party is special, of course.

:D

Mods, please merge this thread into mine, as mine was made earlier.

Uh-oh, he's flopping for the refs. If and when they merge the threads, you can live with the knowledge the all the replies you're getting are actually to my thread. Bwahahaha, cough, bwahahaha.

Because the Libertarian Party is special, of course.
Now, now. All the parties are special in their own way.

The LP just happens to be slightly more special. Maybe they should have their own debate

You presume to speak for the American people at large? Why should they let Bob Barr in on the debate, over, say...me?

Because you're Jewish, people already know that you're people are in charge of the world, and that this whole "election" thing is a farce. *If you can't tell this is a joke, then I feel sorry for you*

Seriously though, if you have the money, and the manpower to run a campaign, and if you want to be a part of the political process, I don't see why you shouldn't be included in at least one debate.

Because the Libertarian Party is special, of course.

Am I the only one amused by libertarians whining that a totally private group chose to exclude their candidate from their privately hosted debates?

Just goes to show the utter hypocrisy of most libertarians. Freedom for everyone, unless they use that freedom in ways that I don't like.

Now, now. All the parties are special in their own way.

The LP just happens to be slightly more special. Maybe they should have their own debate

Won't they? The networks carried third-party debates in '04.

You presume to speak for the American people at large? Why should they let Bob Barr in on the debate, over, say...me?

To be fair, you're not running for President. However, debates with fifteen people aren't particularly interesting or effective. We're trying to find out about our future President. Bob Barr has 0 chance of being our future President. Both candidates could die and they could end up with replacements chosen on Nov 3 and one of them would still win.

Uh-oh, he's flopping for the refs. If and when they merge the threads, you can live with the knowledge the all the replies you're getting are actually to my thread. Bwahahaha, cough, bwahahaha.

I...I...

http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-cry.gif

Seriously though, if you have the money, and the manpower to run a campaign, and if you want to be a part of the political process, I don't see why you shouldn't be included in at least one debate.

because the private organization decided he did not meet the criteria for invitations to their privately hosted debates.

You don't see why not? Because the organization that runs them decided they didn't want him, since he failed to meet the criteria necessary to secure an invitation.

Isn't that the fundamentals of libertarianism?

So. How will you be snacking during the debate? I can't afford alcohol so I won't be doing any drinking games, but as, apparently, a 'liberal elite' (I do have a graduate degree from a liberal college) I've settled on sliced turkey, grapes, brie cheese and stale wheat thins.

Am I the only one amused by libertarians whining that a totally private group chose to exclude their candidate from their privately hosted debates?

Just goes to show the utter hypocrisy of most libertarians. Freedom for everyone, unless they use that freedom in ways that I don't like.

Most Libertarians can be converted by exposure to a small number of hypotheticals, thankfully.

Because you're Jewish, people already know that you're people are in charge of the world, and that this whole "election" thing is a farce. *If you can't tell this is a joke, then I feel sorry for you*

Seriously though, if you have the money, and the manpower to run a campaign, and if you want to be a part of the political process, I don't see why you shouldn't be included in at least one debate.

Because this group didn't want him? Because he doesn't actually have any impact on the election (ie, can't win an electoral vote), and that's what they want?

Seriously though, if you have the money, and the manpower to run a campaign, and if you want to be a part of the political process, I don't see why you shouldn't be included in at least one debate.

Because it's a waste of time and money (or air time), since not enough people care about what he has to say. Think about it economically, there is not enough demand to justify putting him on.

To be fair, you're not running for President. However, debates with fifteen people aren't particularly interesting or effective. We're trying to find out about our future President. Bob Barr has 0 chance of being our future President. Both candidates could die and they could end up with replacements chosen on Nov 3 and one of them would still win.

Indeed.

What I suggest instead is that the debates allow in any who have a good chance. During this election, it's just Obama and McCain, but in the next election there might be a viable independent, and if so, said independent should be allowed in.

There isn't any viable one in this election however.

And there really usually isn't because the parties are so dominating. Almost every competent politician joins one of these two parties, and as such the third parties end up being more like a celebration of lunatics with a few good sprinkles mixed in rather than truly competitive parties.

So. How will you be snacking during the debate? I can't afford alchahol so I won't be doing any drinking games, but as, apparently, a 'liberal elite' (I do have a graduate degree from a liberal college) I've settled on sliced turkey, grapes, brie cheese and stale wheat thins.

Gin and iced tea (I forgot to grab a mixer earlier), a few slices of foccocia, and some half sour pickles.

So. How will you be snacking during the debate? I can't afford alchahol so I won't be doing any drinking games, but as, apparently, a 'liberal elite' (I do have a graduate degree from a liberal college) I've settled on sliced turkey, grapes, brie cheese and stale wheat thins.

Ooh, I guess that makes me part of the liberal elite as well. Could be worse. I'll be eating home-made churros with champurrado. Traditional debate food.

So. How will you be snacking during the debate? I can't afford alcohol so I won't be doing any drinking games, but as, apparently, a 'liberal elite' (I do have a graduate degree from a liberal college) I've settled on sliced turkey, grapes, brie cheese and stale wheat thins.

I'm actually drinking alcohol right now. I have the day off tomorrow, so I thought I might as well stay up for something, alcohol keeps me awake for some reason.

edit: oh and the drink is Magners.

Seriously though, if you have the money, and the manpower to run a campaign, and if you want to be a part of the political process, I don't see why you shouldn't be included in at least one debate.

Seriously, though, if you have the money and the manpower to run a campaign and you want to be a part of the political process, why can't you meet the basic criteria for inclusion in the debates?

Oh, yeah, it's because you can't get enough support to qualify. :eek:

End of discussion.

So. How will you be snacking during the debate? I can't afford alcohol so I won't be doing any drinking games, but as, apparently, a 'liberal elite' (I do have a graduate degree from a liberal college) I've settled on sliced turkey, grapes, brie cheese and stale wheat thins.

I'm a conservative engineer so, of course, I'm drinking Pale ale, eating nuts and .... voting for Obama. Hehe.

Because it's a waste of time and money (or air time), since not enough people care about what he has to say. Think about it economically, there is not enough demand to justify putting him on.

Not to mention - how are you going to persuade people to sit through a debate that's three... four... eight... times longer?

I'll watch an hour-and-a-half debate that host serious contendors. I'm going to need a PRETTY good reason to sit through twelve hours, most of the answers for which are going to be from random people.

And, I'm a lot MORE interested in the third party thing than the average voter.

QUESTIONS!!! TCT is here and he hasn't proposed a question. I quit!

Indeed.

What I suggest instead is that the debates allow in any who have a good chance. During this election, it's just Obama and McCain, but in the next election there might be a viable independent, and if so, said independent should be allowed in.

There isn't any viable one in this election however.

And there really usually isn't because the parties are so dominating. Almost every competent politician joins one of these two parties, and as such the third parties end up being more like a celebration of lunatics with a few good sprinkles mixed in rather than truly competitive parties.

which is, in fact, exactly their criteria:

Pursuant to the criteria, which were publicly announced on November 19, 2007, those candidates qualify for debate participation who (1) are constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President of the United States; (2) have achieved ballot access in a sufficient number of states to win a theoretical Electoral College majority in the general election; and (3) have demonstrated a level of support of at least 15 percent of the national electorate, as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations' most recent publicly-reported results.

McDonalds Chicken Sandwich and Mountain Dew.

I'm obviously the proletariat in this scenario. :)

QUESTIONS!!! TCT is here and he hasn't proposed a question. I quit!

how about "Senator Obama, if you were watching this debate, what would you be snacking on"?

Pfft. Your thread is getting all the replies just because you're more popular.

Mountain Dew.


That's banned in the UK apparently, is it like a super strong red bull or something?

Indeed.

What I suggest instead is that the debates allow in any who have a good chance. During this election, it's just Obama and McCain, but in the next election there might be a viable independent, and if so, said independent should be allowed in.

There isn't any viable one in this election however.

And there really usually isn't because the parties are so dominating. Almost every competent politician joins one of these two parties, and as such the third parties end up being more like a celebration of lunatics with a few good sprinkles mixed in rather than truly competitive parties.

There have been independents in the debates before.

There is nothing inherent in the debate set-up that excludes third parties.

Any party that meets the preset criteria can participate. Under those criteria set by the Commission on Presidential Debates, those candidates qualify for debate participation who (1) are constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President of the United States; (2) have achieved ballot access in a sufficient number of states to win a theoretical Electoral College majority in the general election; and (3) have demonstrated a level of support of at least 15 percent of the national electorate.

That's banned in the UK apparently, is it like a super strong red bull or something?

Don't they have decaf Mountain Dew there, like in Canada? But no, it's not that strong. Less so than Red Bull per ounce.

That's banned in the UK apparently, is it like a super strong red bull or something?

Nah - I am drinking the 'stimulant' Mountain Dew rather than the 'normal' one, but it's only big unusual factor is Ginseng. It is pretty good though, and keeps me awake better than coffee....

EDIT: Checked the ingredients: 54mg/can caffeine - no mention how much Ginseng.

there have been independents in the debates before.

There is nothing inherent in the debate set-up that excludes third parties.

Any party that meets the preset criteria can participate. Under those criteria set by the commission on presidential debates, those candidates qualify for debate participation who (1) are constitutionally eligible to hold the office of president of the united states; (2) have achieved ballot access in a sufficient number of states to win a theoretical electoral college majority in the general election; and (3) have demonstrated a level of support of at least 15 percent of the national electorate.

laaaaate!

which is, in fact, exactly their criteria:

There have been independents in the debates before.

There is nothing inherent in the debate set-up that excludes third parties.

Any party that meets the preset criteria can participate. Under those criteria set by the Commission on Presidential Debates, those candidates qualify for debate participation who (1) are constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President of the United States; (2) have achieved ballot access in a sufficient number of states to win a theoretical Electoral College majority in the general election; and (3) have demonstrated a level of support of at least 15 percent of the national electorate.
Well, okay then. That's settled.

I don't know what Wilgrove is complaining about then. If Bob Barr can't meet the requirements, then he doesn't deserve to be in the debate.

and we are OFF

Here we go gents.

EDIT: I didnt know there were moderators in a town hall style debate. This actually makes me feel better.

Watching Brokaw wait for his cue on C-SPAN is funky...

I love the fact that Internet questions are mentioned. Democracy has never been closer to the people. :)

Don't they have decaf Mountain Dew there, like in Canada? But no, it's not that strong. Less so than Red Bull per ounce.

Nah - I am drinking the 'stimulant' Mountain Dew rather than the 'normal' one, but it's only big unusual factor is Ginseng. It is pretty good though, and keeps me awake better than coffee....

EDIT: Checked the ingredients: 54mg/can caffeine - no mention how much Ginseng.

Ok, I don't think it's banned. I think my friend was trying to sound more hardcore. He did have to import it though since they don't sell it over here. That sucks, because Red Bull comes only in tiny cans, and they rip you off, and Relentless is really hard to find.

/thread jack

Lets get it on!

Questions submitted via e-mail over the internet. Submitted over the internet as oppose to what? Questions submitted via e-mail through the fucking post office?

Here we go gents.

EDIT: I didnt know there were moderators in a town hall style debate. This actually makes me feel better.

It'd be a cage match without one.

Hey, we can cheer and yell! Tom gave us permission!

"The audience has agreed to be polite and attentive and withhold applaus and outbursts. Those of youat home are not so constrained."


Thanks Tom. Got my beer cans and dart board ready.

McCain is already taking notes?

Alan Shafer has an awesome accent.

QUESTIONS!!! TCT is here and he hasn't proposed a question. I quit!

The Supreme Court recently held that detainees at Guantanamo Bay have the right to habeas corpus. See Boumediene v. Bush (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=06-1195), 553 U.S. ___ (2008).John McCain said that decision was "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country." link (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/13/mccain-guantanamo-ruling-one-of-the-worst-decisions-in-history/)

Three questions:
1) Name some of the "worst [Supreme Court] decisions in the history of this country"

2) Why does John McCain hate our Constitution?

3) Why does John McCain side with the Sherrif of Nottingham on "the ancient right of anyone seized by the king to cry out from the dungeon and say, 'I've been wrongly jailed!'"?
linky (http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/09/exit-strategy-pursuit-of-habeas.html)

I admit these questions might be slightly partisan. :wink:

Was someone saying "Yeah!" in the audience?

there were lots of "thank you"'s already

McCain is already taking notes?

it was really just a doodle of him looking all muscular and stuff after winning the presidency

I will be keeping track of the analyst point spread for each candidate, as listed on CNN, as it goes.

wow, undecided voters are EATING this shit up. Obama's line JUMPED.

"Thank you. Thank you! Thank you? Thank you..."

I hate these things.

Jesus Christ. McCain goes into energy independence.

yes. No raised taxes today. Tomorrow, maybe.

McCain's getting a little close for comfort >_>

McCain should know all about home values. Hes got ten of em.

McCain seems to be getting uncomfortably close to the audience.

laaaaate!

Meh. I referred to the criteria and provided a link with the quote Neo Art used in this early post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14078594&postcount=43).

*does smug dance*

*then goes to watch debate*

How about McCain donates his other homes to people that need them. :p

"These young Americans," McCain says, as he points to a row full of people who look about 50... :P

Moving around makes him look so old.

wow, undecided voters are EATING this shit up. Obama's line JUMPED.

McCain on the other hand seems to be flat lining.

"These young Americans," McCain says, as he points to a row full of people who look about 50... :P

Hey, they're pretty damned young to him.

McCain looks like a televangelist.

McCain said "I know how to do" something, twice. Take two shots!

If McCain says "my friends" one more time, Im going to beat him like the jailer at the Han...ok that was low.

I like how McCain talked about this proposal he has thats all his, but didnt say it.

"not you tom"

WTF?

HE'S GOING TO WHAT?

buy up all the house mortgages in the country where the house value has fallen??!!

For a second there, I thought McCain was going to walk up and sit in Alan's lap.

Uh... okay McCain. That was a bit of a weird thing to say. Not you Brokaw. Duh...

Oh hey, follow up questions...

Nice touch naming an Obama supporter as his first pick...

the line is just deadpan on McCain, not down, just not up either.

Nice Reganomics reference.

Ahh why do they have to get up and walk around, it's just... awkward.

I bet Warren Buffet would be a pretty awesome Secretary of the Treasury.

On CNN, what the hell is that on the bottom of the screen? Is it McCain's EKG?

the line is just deadpan on McCain, not down, just not up either.

Glad to hear.

"not you tom"

WTF?



WTF indeed. Why not me? :(

it isn't a bailout...it's a RESCUE!

Tom lays down the law.

McCains talking about his "suspending" of his campaign.


Didnt his campaign tell him that the American people saw right through that.

On CNN, what the hell is that on the bottom of the screen? Is it McCain's EKG?

it's the reaction by a room of independants and uncommitted voters cnn has, line goes up, they like it. Line goes down, they don't.

Although considering how high it goes when Obama speaks, and how low it goes when McCain does, it might as well be his EKG.

wait...he just brought up that he suspended his campaign

.... Obama said go give people loans? Riiiight.

"There were some of us that stood up, two years ago..."


I wasnt one of them Tom. I was still licking my wounds from Keating.

Obama evaded. Buffett wasn't enough of an answer.

Not that McCain's was much better ...

"I bet you never even heard of Fannie Mae, uneducated schmuck!" Thanks, Johnny boy, but some of us actually pay some attention to major players in our economy, even if you don't.

woah "you might not have heard of them", line DROPPED. People did NOT like being told "you don't know anything"

Did he just insult that guy? Dude, I'm poor as hell and knew what Fanny Mae and Freddie Mack were...maybe not spell it, but sheesh...

McCain is kinda digging in, really...

I think McCains got wood for Alan.

What the hell caused that shark fin?

Points from CNN analysts, 11 to 5 Obama.

On CNN, what the hell is that on the bottom of the screen? Is it McCain's EKG?

that would be an awesome use of screen space - heart rate monitors

Wow I hate these two...it's like dumb and dumber (and older) out there...

I love how pedantic we're all being :D

"I have to correct a little bit of Senator McCain's history, not surprisingly".

NICE

"Ive got to correct a little bit of McCain's history, not suprisingly"

Aw Sheit! Obamas got teeth!

I feel like Obama actually explained why the bailout was necessary and McCain just didn't answer that question, more how we got there. Granted, Obama just went off on history too. *sigh*

Obama evaded. Buffett wasn't enough of an answer.

Not that McCain's was much better ...
To be fair, he listed like 5 different people. That's about as much as an answer you can give.

"Not surprisingly" Zing!

We should so get paid for this....

I love how pedantic we're all being :D

Is there any other way?

". . . Not surprisingly"

BURN

Obama needs new talking points. This is his chance to be a LEADER, not just repeating stump speeches.

oooh, obama bitchslapped mccain. "I have to correct Senator McCain...not surprisingly." this gonna get nasty

Fuck this Im watchin CNN. I dont want to rely on Neo Art for this read outs.

"I have to correct a little bit of Senator McCain's history, not surprisingly".

NICE

Since I'm watching an internet stream, this was posted before Obama said it for me. Freaked me out for a second, you almost looked as psychic as McCain.

that would be an awesome use of screen space - heart rate monitors
I love those lines, but here's my suggestion:

CNN should project them on screens at the back of the auditorium, facing the stage, where the debaters can see them. Think about it...

I'd have to give points to Obama on that one. Dealt with McCain's accusations handily, as well.

Obama needs new talking points. This is his chance to be a LEADER, not just repeating stump speeches.

Yeah, I feel like I've heard this stuff 5 times...from both of them, not just Obama.

it's the reaction by a room of independants and uncommitted voters cnn has, line goes up, they like it. Line goes down, they don't.

Although considering how high it goes when Obama speaks, and how low it goes when McCain does, it might as well be his EKG.

Ah, that makes sense.

Does anyone think that Obama looks like he's gained three or four years since the start of this campaign?

The women seem to be loving Obama's talking points.

Oooh, playing the International card. That's a good new item.

Obama's line SPIKED once he started talking about the american people.

Ah, that makes sense.

Does anyone think that Obama looks like he's gained three or four years since the start of this campaign?

Anyone else think that McCain looks like he's gained three or four hundred years since the start of this campaign?

I'm waiting for Obama to put his hand up and try to squish McCain's head between his fingers.

Yeah, *I* wrote a letter too. With my very own quill and ink.

the stern letter, america's most potent weapon

I love those lines, but here's my suggestion:

CNN should project them on screens at the back of the auditorium, facing the stage, where the debaters can see them. Think about it...

Greater chance of McCain losing it and calling the audience a group of assholes.


"You weren't on my letter, neener neener!"

We're the best exporters? Really? I guess if we talk about exporting jobs...

cnn analyst points: 17 to ...2

Did McCain just say that American workers are the "best importers"? Yay?

Yeah, I feel like I've heard this stuff 5 times...from both of them, not just Obama.

I'm kind of disappointed in Obama, right now. I felt Biden dealt much more directly with the questions at the VP debate. But we'll see.

HHAHA.... How can we trust either of you. :D

Teresa is too nervous to read her own notes. Poor lady. :p

Teresa Finch doesn't seem to be too comfortable with public speaking.

To be fair, it isn't really of McCain's time...he did see part of the great depression...

Yeah, *I* wrote a letter too. With my very own quill and ink.

Doesn't count unless you sealed it with wax.

"How can we trust either of you?"

Way to go, questioner!

I have one question. What the fuck is McCain looking for every time Obama starts speaking? His rescue monitor?

I love that Obama pegged the meters and McCain was just above what it's at when Brokaw talks.

is McCain just wandering around the stage?

Why did they choose someone with a speech impediment to read one of the best questions?

They should give them 30 seconds or something perhaps to prepare a good answer, might stop waffling a bit.

Obama SPIKED when he talked about his health care plan

Wow Obama just buried the needle there.

obama, don't leave the debt to just bush. toss it at all republican presidencies for the past couple decades. the data is there

Holy God look how high Obama was....

McCain: I can see why you see cynicism and mistrust. You must have read some of my bios."

5 to 1 odds McCain mentions being in Vietnam in the next 5 minutes.

Haha. Rambo mentions Libermen, and it goes down.

23 to 3. Obama's line SPIKED during his comment, McCain's is only slightly up above baseline.

Campaing finance reform??? McCain-Feingold??? Really??? Didn't he abandon his own reform on that one when it came to financing his own campaign? Why, yes, actually, he did.

He calls Obamaa big spending liberal and it went down.

Question that should be being asked: "How can the GOP candidate promise to kill pork, when the GOP has said they won't let him do so"...?

McCain takes on "the big money people," apparently. That specificity sure is encouraging...

I've heard this point against Obama before... and didn't Obama just go over how he wouldn't spend more money? o.O

McCain attacks on Obama isn't working....

in fairness, that earmark comment was good for McCain. Audience didn't seem to buy it though.

wait...he's supported every increase in spending, but is against the troops?

LMAO. Did he just talk about a projector for the Adler Planetarium? That's not just a projector where you press the "On" button.....

Hmm, McCain talks about the issues, line goes up. He attacks, it goes down....

Do we need to spend tha kind of money on education when it could be spent on blowing up brown people and ruskies?

pork doesn't seem to move the lines much.

also, the planetarium is fucking awesome, thank you very much

The lines are just painful. :D << me suffering for McCain.

"How can we trust either of you?" "Well, because Obama is a LIBERAL!!! So clearly you can trust me..."

Obama spends money on planetariums? OH MY GOD HE'S OUT TO EDUCATE US ABOUT SCIENCE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

he talks nuclear line goes up a bit.

McCain needs a new phrase here, because he's overused "pork barrel project" - at least in my mind. It annoys me.

And of course McSame started off on trying to chip away at Obama's character, par for the course.

P.S. Where do you see these poll results?

Best thing that will happen all night - McCain walks into the Obama focused camera during the split screen.

the analysts are just lapping Obama up. 24 to 4

McCain is doing a stump speech, not hitting the 3 point debate question.

He's learning from Palin.

Dude, you can't campaign and be a senator at once, apparently...you want to do three things at once now?

And reaching out to Lieberman is reaching across the aisle? Way to go, stretch...

the polling lines are on CNN HD.

Wait, did I miss something or did he say some of the 700billion could end up in terrorists' hands?

5 to 1 odds McCain mentions being in Vietnam in the next 5 minutes.

I see your Vietnam and raise you a POW story.

Answer the question McCain!

Best thing that will happen all night - McCain walks into the Obama focused camera during the split screen.

maybe it's my bias, but when he paces like that he looks like a senile old man.

is McCain just wandering around the stage?

I just wondered about that on the phone with my friend Ashley.

Obama drove past a gas pump. Nice that he's connected to $3.80 gas.

There went the impartial moderator.

I wish we could host one of these things.

I see your Vietnam and raise you a POW story.

I call. And raise a "Maverick."

Wait, did I miss something or did he say some of the 700billion could end up in terrorists' hands?

I heard that. I think he was calling the Saudis terrorists.

Obama lays out a specific "I will get rid of dependance on foreign oil" and the needle buries. He is WRECKING this, hardcore.

My god Fris, am I actually cheaper than you? $3.55 here.

You could just see McCain thinking "shit shit shit I have no idea what order people want to hear these in" during the "priorities" question...

And reaching out to Lieberman is reaching across the aisle? Way to go, stretch...

Admittedly, with the exception of all issues Middle East, Lieberman is pretty far to the left in the US Senate. He's not Bernia Sanders, but he's no conservative.

Obama spends money on planetariums? OH MY GOD HE'S OUT TO EDUCATE US ABOUT SCIENCE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Laser Floyd!

OK, your time's up, sit down.

I call. And raise a "Maverick."

Oooh, I'll call that easy--raise you a "He'll raise our taxes!!!"

"GUYS! FUCKING WATCH THE CLOCK!"


ohh...interwebz time!

Ooh, I like the "sacrifice" question.

78 year old Theora knows how to use a computer. Why doesn't McCain?

Where are you guys seeing these lines? I'm watching the cnn live stream.

My god Fris, am I actually cheaper than you? $3.55 here.

Oh, so many possible jokes, so little time...

My god Fris, am I actually cheaper than you? $3.55 here.

It's $4.29 in Asheville, NC, where Obama did his debate prep (my home town). He said it was $3.80 in Nashville, TN. That shows he's paying attention.

did...did McCain just advocate lowering defense spending? REALLY? Mister "I'm the best on national security"?

Someone catch me up; I just got the debate going now.

..... He mentions the projector again. Seriously... idiotic

Haha McCain just went back on the projector...

Obama lays out a specific "I will get rid of dependance on foreign oil" and the needle buries. He is WRECKING this, hardcore.

Its really not even funny.

OK, your time's up, sit down.

The moderator needs a buzzer. *bzzt* "STFU now."

Where are you guys seeing these lines? I'm watching the cnn live stream.

it's only on CNN high def.

spending freeze? That just doesn't work...

I'm taking a drink every time McCain says "friends" or "my friends".

"I saved the US government 6.8 billion dollars by stopping a sweetheart deal with Boeing... which turned into a drawn out process which the air force royally fucked up and now we have spent billions of dollars and the program is delayed!"

31 to 5

Uh... did he actually say something we had to sacrifice?