NationStates Jolt Archive

nah, they've been trying to teach her to pronounce it right... It's too related to Bush to be a good affectation to have.

HOLY GOD LEARN TO PRONOUNCE ENGLISH BEFORE YOU RUN FOR HIGH OFFICE!!!!!!
*runs ears through cheese grater*

I know a great ear re constructionist. He's in San Jose California, he is world's best for it.

every time she says nucular, god nukes a kitten. :(

think of the kittens, won't anyone please think of the kittens?!

I haven't heard, I haven't heard, I haven't heard.

Nice job.

commanding general in afghanistan.

Biden rules.

That's long game stuff - whether or not it helps here, he's put that information in the consciousness of the voter.

The sighing is good. :D I so know how he feels.

commanding general in afghanistan.

Biden rules.

That's long game stuff - whether or not it helps here, he's put that information in the consciousness of the voter.

That may actually work against him. Your average voter, and pretty much people in general are idiots. They don't want to think about what actually make sense, etc. They want soundbites. That's why soundbites are so popular.

Biden needs to start making soundbites.

Biden sounds like he just wants to tell her to STFU.

Every time she says Nucular, God nukes a kitten. :(

All those poor kitties...

nice shift when time was running out...shift focus back to you as positive, not end on the other guy as negative

I think she just said it right, but only once.

Do you think "Nucular" is an affectation?

I think it's deliberate.

I think it's appealing to a certain denominator... and it worked for Bush...

Can I rant about the surge?

OF COURSE THE SURGE WAS GOING TO WORK...

If you take an army, and significantly increase the size of that army at the point of engagement, you are going to have a greater chance of success. Every general since the stone age has known that, and Petraeus isn't a genius for using it... It's one of the most basic concepts in military strategy. I have nothing but respect for the General, but he's not doing anything new, and I wish the Republicans would stop acting like he's our Julius Caesar...

That may actually work against him. Your average voter, and pretty much people in general are idiots. They don't want to think about what actually make sense, etc. They want soundbites. That's why soundbites are so popular.

Biden needs to start making soundbites.

I agree. I think Palin is winning on 'winning hearts and minds'... but I think Biden is showing that he knows stuff. I think Obama won hearts and minds... and McCain came across as pretty clueless.

Democrats win, on the math.

Bosniacs!

bosniacs?

65 to 36 Biden according to CNN analysts.

Pre-emptively owning his war vote. Good move.

Biden sounds like he just wants to tell her to STFU.

I WANT TO TELLL HER!!!! I am want to punch her in the uterus. I cannot stand her voice.

Can I rant about the surge?

OF COURSE THE SURGE WAS GOING TO WORK...

If you take an army, and significantly increase the size of that army at the point of engagement, you are going to have a greater chance of success. Every general since the stone age has known that, and Petraeus isn't a genius for using it... It's one of the most basic concepts in military strategy. I have nothing but respect for the General, but he's not doing anything new, and I wish the Republicans would stop acting like he's our Julius Caesar...

When did you start making serious posts?!?! (just/kidding)

"it's so obvious I'm a Washington outsider"

...yeah.

bosniacs?

Fans of John Bosthworth?

"Auuu, its just so obvious I'm a pure and innocent washing outsider, little ol' me is just so wost here in big scary washington!"

bosniacs?
Apparently they actually are the ethnic group there...

Live and learn.

edit:
Biden said it earlier.

Beyotch, please. He just did tell us why he voted for it. With straight talk. Go gut a moose already.

I WANT TO TELLL HER!!!! I am want to punch her in the uterus. I cannot stand her voice.

Why do you hate freedom?

Or something... is that the right generic answer for that situation?

I know many would advise against it, but I think Biden should "go for the throat" here and call her on criticizing politicians who are "for it before I was against it". Bridge to Nowhere anyone?

Palin is getting raped.

*leaves*

When did you start making serious posts?!?! (just/kidding)

Palin annoyed me enough that the serious switch turned on... Plus Ive been having the surge argument with my Republican friends for like a week now and I really wanted to yell about it...

"it's so obvious I'm a Washington outsider"

...yeah.

"I don't know how you work" We remember...you didn't know what a vice president is...sorry, does...

I agree. I think Palin is winning on 'winning hearts and minds'... but I think Biden is showing that he knows stuff. I think Obama won hearts and minds... and McCain came across as pretty clueless.

Democrats win, on the math.

I dunno, I'm hearing more soundbites from McCain than I do from Obama. But then again, I don't really pay attention to soundbites, or anything that they say. I look at their voting records, so what do I know.

what, no bridge to nowhere reference with her pulling the "vote for one thing, say the other"?

This debate doesn't end after an hour? How long does this thing run?

I love how she gets in lecture mode and stares right at the camera any time she's talking about McCain.

"Tomorrow the pundits..." Champ, they're doing it right now...it's the internet age...

So far she has called Obama unpatriotic and said he's not supporting the troops.

Now she's called Biden a liar.

Wow, she's classy.

90 minutes

THIS is where Biden can nail Palin.

what, no bridge to nowhere reference with her pulling the "vote for one thing, say the other"?

I'm pretty sure he's been instructed not to go in hard on caribou barbie, lest he be seen as attacking the poor little woman.

McCain knows how to win a war based on what, the fact that he won the last one he was in?

This debate doesn't end after an hour? How long does this thing run?

90 minutes.

This debate doesn't end after an hour? How long does this thing run?

90 min. Or until one of the candidates dies of strain. Whichever comes first.

Hey, people with the CNN analyst numbers. Can you give us a link so we can follow the numbers ourselves?

Biden nails on the getting to Osama and the Taliban. Nice.

I think it ends when someone in the audience takes a nukular bomb to Sarah Palin's head...

I'm pretty sure he's been instructed not to go in hard on caribou barbie, lest he be seen as attacking the poor little woman.

I was thinking Biden could have called it out

I am so hungry. So so hungry. And my roommate is cooking. MAKE THEM STOP TALKING!!!

I think it ends when someone in the audience takes a nukular bomb to Sarah Palin's head...

/thread. We have a winnah.

Hehehe, he doesn't ask her to check her opinions at the door. Just when she does express an opinion, McCain trots her back in front of the cameras right next to him, so he can correct her in front of everyone.

Oh, and she dodged yet another question.

Palin scores a point for talking about the average Americans and keeping the government out of our lives. Nice.

Now she's supposedly a "maverick" too?

"McCain's never asked me to check my opinions" No, just kept you in a bubble once you ate your tie in front of Katie Couric...

"government needs to take a sideline"

unless it's about abortion, gay rights...

hahahahah I spend a lot of time at Home Depot.

'He has never asked me to check my opinions at the door', except over that thing outside the hot dog stand, where I stupidly talked about Pakistan and John McCain said I didn't mean what I said, and that I've been kept away from the media, or that he's shitting himself right now over what I might say...

Jeez-gods she is a condescending bitch. Is she deliberately trying to provoke Biden?

As a teacher... shut up honey. My reward is in my kids and what they achieve. I don't need heaven to feel rewarded.

Bleh. The, "Let's drop names of towns and see who's more folksy" thing is a bit annoying.

He can't let her get away with that 'looking backwards' crap...

Yes - I'm talking about the past, because McCain IS the past - he's perpetuating Bush, one more term.

she just gave a fucking shout out...

They've both been fairly well coached, but it's obvious Biden is far more comfortable than Palin.

and she's folksy again...

Oh comon NCLB was a DISASTER! Get rid of it!

hahahahah I spend a lot of time at Home Depot.

Biden's a illegal immegrant?

HOLD THE FUCK ON, DID SHE JUST SHOUT OUT A FUCKING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DURING THE FUCKU ARRRRGH...
/head explodes

she just gave a fucking shout out...

At least it was tasteful.......right?

Palin scores a point for talking about the average Americans and keeping the government out of our lives. Nice.

If only her policies actually included doing so.

Oh, she was just joking when she pretended to be dumb. Wow, she's one hell of a comedian, eh?

I am so hungry. So so hungry. And my roommate is cooking. MAKE THEM STOP TALKING!!!

We could be having popcorn, but noooooo...


"Her reward is in heaven?" Hey, Raydn, Erastide, that doin' it for ya? Don't worry about the ramen, your reward is in heaven!


"Say it ain't so Joe" man she was waiting for that one wasn't she? They're hoping that's the "I won't hold my candidate's youth against him" line...

Vice Presidents basically sit there and look pretty....can we please be honest about the position of VP?

NCLB? I can't believe she's defending that crap.

and she's folksy again...

Oh comon NCLB was a DISASTER! Get rid of it!

Not an entire failure. It's actually just an extention of Title I funding, which has been around since the 60's. there is good and bad. It needs work, not scrapping.

Joe Biden is kickin' ass.
Sarah is saying the same things over and over, no point to it.
But, she is being proven wrong, and yet continues to state these points.

*facepalm*

This isn't fucking jeopardy.

If only her policies actually included doing so.

True, once again, that's why I look at voting records.

It seems like Palin was given a few soundbites and told to use them...

"I would think the government would give more power to the vice president."

Ok, yeah, no. We don't need another Cheney.

It seems like Palin was given a few soundbites and told to use them...

The same could be said for Biden.

THIS is where Biden can nail Palin.

Like he'd want to.

...oh, you meant that kind of nail.

NO! Don't give VP more power!! NO NO NO!

"I would think the government would give more power to the vice president."

Ok, yeah, no. We don't need another Cheney.

The moderator just called her on that.

Biden's a illegal immegrant?

HOLD THE FUCK ON, DID SHE JUST SHOUT OUT A FUCKING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DURING THE FUCKU ARRRRGH...
/head explodes

Отче наш, сущий на небесах!
Да святится имя Твоё;
Да придёт Царство Твоё;
Да будет воля Твоя
И на земле, как на небе;
Хлеб на насущный
Дай нам на сей день;
И прости нам долги наши,
как и мы прощаем
должникам нашим;
И не введи нас в искушение,
Но избавь нас от лукавого.
Ибо Твоё есть Царство
И сила и слава во веки.
Аминь.

This is the lord's prayer in Russian. I think we'll need it if she's in the white house

Like he'd want to.

...oh, you meant that kind of nail.

I could go for a good hate-nail right about now.

she's rambling horribly right now.

Wait, a "strict constructionist" just argued that the Constitution is flexible?

Oh, it's about the job she wants. Of course it's suddenly flexible.

NO! Don't give VP more power!! NO NO NO!

VP's have little power, but, for whatever reason... "Dick Cheney is the most dangerous VP we've had in American history". Truth be told.

Don't be subtle, Biden, tell us how you feel about Cheney...

yikes.

she's rambling horribly right now.

I'd say babbling more than rambling.

Palin did not understand the "what's your achilles heel" question. :D As soon as I heard it, I knew she wouldn't get it.

I'd say babbling more than rambling.

Have you seen her interviews?

Being a more normal person. YOU TOO can run the US

Don't be subtle, Biden, tell us how you feel about Cheney...

yikes.

Can't say that I disagree with him, though.

did she just say she's the owner of Alaska?

I could go for a good hate-nail right about now.

Hell yeah.

Ok, she's clearly not going to answer this question.

It's not about what you have. The question is "What is your Achilles' Heel?"

The audience reaction flat lined . . .

did she just not answer the question again?

Aren't we a Republic, not a Democracy?

How is dissing Bush 'looking back'... but referencing Reagan is okay?

What's most important is her catalogue of cliches? Right.

And quoting Reagan? Does that count as "pointing backwards"?

Holy shit...

MANIFEST FUCKING DESTINY???

SOMEBODY ENCAGE THIS BITCH!

And Palin just managed to argue for UHC.

"We represent tolerance and freedom and equal rights..."

What about gay rights? Invasion of privacy? Abortion?

Palin did not understand the "what's your achilles heel" question. :D As soon as I heard it, I knew she wouldn't get it.

No politician, to be fair, is going to answer this question except Cassius Clay style...

"I recognize my flaws. My only flaw is I don't realize how great I truly am!"

Hey kids, that worldview...you know, with the rainbows and fairies and good old JC on the hill, it's Candy Mountain!

Now Biden is getting folksy....

I fear to imagine how much Vodka I will go through under the McCain/Palin Administration...

Ok, she's clearly not going to answer this question.

It's not about what you have. The question is "What is your Achilles' Heel?"

I'm pretty sure she doesn't even know what that is.

Aren't we a Republic, not a Democracy?

Neither, Both. A Mixture.

Joe Biden is kickin' ass.
He's playing the debate as Biden & Obama vs McCain instead of VP to VP debate, though...

Albeit considering the opponent's...umm...expertise maybe it's just a good thing as her job seems to be to look, umm, adorable and mom-sy.

Fuck

Biden wins the emotion ticket

Question: What is your Weakest Trait?

Sarah's Answer: -none- followed by rambling about experience, my family life, and patriotic rhetoric.

Biden's Answer: Lack of discipline, passion, followed by rambling about accomplishments,family, and middle class

Does that pretty much sum it up?

Maverick card is out again.....

So I was going to complain about the emotional appeals, but did he basically just called Palin out for being sexist?

I fear to imagine how much Vodka I will go through under the McCain/Palin Administration...

Buy shares in Seagrams and Smirnoff...I am.

I fear to imagine how much Vodka I will go through under the McCain/Palin Administration...

I'm just going to move to Japan, or /slitwrists.

MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK
If we repeat it enough its true!

He's playing the debate as Biden & Obama vs McCain instead of VP to VP debate, though...

Albeit considering the opponent's...umm...expertise maybe it's just a good thing as her job seems to be to look, umm, adorable and mom-sy.

He's done the right thing - the McCain ticket is McCain's ticket. Palin is an add-on.

biden wins the having a 2-digit IQ ticket...

I'm starting to wonder if she knows what the word "maverick" means.

Aren't we a Republic, not a Democracy?
You're a democratic republic, this makes you both: A democracy and a republic.

Albeit democratic should probably in quotation marks. :tongue:

Aren't we a Republic, not a Democracy?

. . . .

oh god damn, you didn't just say that.

MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK...

nope. Still not true.

MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK
If we repeat it enough its true!

In politics, that's how it works.

Yes, he definitely is the man we need to LEAVE.

So I was going to complain about the emotional appeals, but did he basically just called Palin out for being sexist?

sure as hell sounded like it. He actually seemed to legitimately start to lose it there talking about his family.

And now he's attacking the maverick card. Go Biden go!

She just said we need to leave him...well, if she insists...

Joe Biden is saying "You're no maverick!" Nice work for him.

This is painful to watch. Like a car crash.

Yet...I can't stop.

Finally someone calls out McCain on being a "maverick"!

MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK MAVERICK
If we repeat it enough its true!

I believe Stephen Colbert said this.

biden wins the having a 2-digit IQ ticket...

Have you been around the last eight years?

Try a 3-digit.

So I was going to complain about the emotional appeals, but did he basically just called Palin out for being sexist?

Yeah - and then he got choked up talking about his kid.

Genuine emotion versus appeals to the heartstrings. I was putting her ahead on that, but that was killer.

also - yay - maverick.

wow, Biden totally ripped into him there, nice job.

Joe Biden is saying "You're no maverick!" Nice work for him.

Yeah, that was well done.

I'm just going to move to Japan, or /slitwrists.

I will legitimately run away to my uncle in Moscow...

I'm quite impressed by Joe Biden, never really seen him talk too much before,

Nice. Biden talking about how and why his views have changed over time. Good statement.

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/celebrity/images/Cowboy/maverick-standup.JPG
"He's such a maverick he's thinking about changing his name to Bret!"


Say it enough times it might be true, I guess...

. . . .

oh god damn, you didn't just say that.

Government type:Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

OH MY GOD. Her answer FAILS

I believe Stephen Colbert said this.



Have you been around the last eight years?

Try a 3-digit.

my bad, i meant an IQ that managed to reach 2-digits- passing it is included entirely

Nice. Biden talking about how and why his views have changed over time. Good statement.

very well stated. Hers is falling short, and relying on talking points.

O Canada, Brave North strong and true...

And Palin's reasons for changing positions are purely self-serving, so she can get the money for her agendas, but she has never changed her personal views on anything. How...Bush-like.

105 to 57 Biden. He really pulled it together in the end as Palin just started to fall apart.

Isn't working together compromise?

Listening to Sarah Palin by choice is like purposefully driving a car knowing fully well you're blind. You just want to commit suicide. ... Or slam your head into the wall until you're unconscious.

I "quasi-caved".

Wow, she just argued that she's never had to change her mind on anything.

Apparently, Sarah Palin has never been wrong about anything important. :rolleyes:

Ok, how big will the poll crash be after this disaster of a debate for the republicans?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

Your point? I REALLY thought you would know, at VERY least, that a republic is a form of a democracy.

Of course the CIA factbook says we're a republic. We ARE a republic. But it's not "we're a republic, not a democracy" a republic is a kind of democracy.

Christ, someone in a 10th grade civics class understands that.

sure as hell sounded like it. He actually seemed to legitimately start to lose it there talking about his family.

And he specifically pointed out that being male doesn't mean he doesn't know what single parents go through or what it's like to raise a child.

That's awesome.

Ok, how big with the poll crash be after this disaster of a debate for the republicans?

However much the pundits spin it.

she's probably doing better than mccain did, to be honest.

If anything I'd imagine she's helped them.

Rossiya Svyashennaya Nasha Derzhava...

Ok, how big with the poll crash be after this disaster of a debate for the republicans?

With the way the polls are already leaning, all Obama would need is to pick up either Ohio or Virginia and Colorado to get to 270.

Obama/Biden will work for change in Congress by respecting people and not calling them traitors for having different views.

McCain/Palin will work for change in Congress by reciting the laundry list of talking points.

However much the pundits spin it.

You mean how ever much Fox News spins it?

Ok, how big with the poll crash be after this disaster of a debate for the republicans?

Very Small.

Palin went in with low expectations, and nothing spectacularly bad happened. Little fallout overall.

"national security freedoms"? What?

Reagan again -- pointing backwards. tsk tsk.

And threats of losing our freedom. To what/whom, I wonder?

well that was... prepared.

105 to 57 Biden.

Perhaps, but where was the bar? My impression from the Couric interviews was that she couldn't beat 150 to 15. The fact that she answered more than half the questions without drooling will be considered a victory by the GOP.

Passing shot on the "msm" that's going to eviscerate her...

"national security freedoms"? What?

That is equal to military intelligence.

"national security freedoms"? What?

You know, the freedom to lock people up with out trial and torture them.

" in our sunset years, our children's children's children will hear about a time..."
At the rate she's going, she wont have to wait... She'll have children's children's children by 55...

I don't know about you guys, but I think Gwen Ifill won this debate.

Your point? I REALLY thought you would know, at VERY least, that a republic is a form of a democracy.

Of course the CIA factbook says we're a republic. We ARE a republic. But it's not "we're a republic, not a democracy" a republic is a kind of democracy.

Christ, someone in a 10th grade civics class understands that.

Ok, fair enough, I was wrong.

Now, let's talk about your rectectomy.

well that was... prepared.

To be fair, it's closing statements, it better be prepared.

Reagan again -- pointing backwards. tsk tsk.

And threats of losing our freedom. To what/whom, I wonder?

McCain/Palin.

Aren't we a Republic, not a Democracy?

The terms are not mutually exclusive.

A "democracy" is a political system in which the people rule. In terms of our political institutions, we have at least the necessary forms--our leaders are elected in free elections by (more or less) universal suffrage.

A "republic" is, literally, a political order that is public: that seeks to protect the rights and promote the interests of all, not just a particular exclusive few. In modern usage, it tends to exclude monarchies and similarly hereditary-based political systems as essentially anti-republican in character, because they elevate some over others on the basis of birth privilege rather than merit. Insofar as we can attach the label "republican" to a set of political institutions rather than to a careful analysis of how they actually work, the United States probably qualifies there, too--certainly that was the stated intention of those who set them up, anyway.

I don't know about you guys, but I think Gwen Ifill won this debate.

... " Your joke failed so much the audience didn't get it " ...

I don't know about you guys, but I think Gwen Ifill won this debate.

Can she please take Hillary's spot as the democrat woman candidate...

McCain/Palin.

/thread

That is equal to military intelligence.

So... freedoms of the government?

Point still stands then.

Why is Barack Obama the presidental candidate? :p

Nice closing, Joe. "When you get knocked down, you get back up. It's time for America to get up together." Classic.

" in our sunset years, our children's children's children will hear about a time..."
At the rate she's going, she wont have to wait... She'll have children's children's children by 55...

Harsh, little baby Palin might not be as much of a slut as Bristol.

Why is Barack Obama the presidental candidate? :p

Cuz he's just that HAWT!

Actually, it's because he beat Biden in the Primaries.

/thread

I'll be here all week, try the veal!

Did she just say, "You're so great to argue with"?

McCain/Palin.
Too true.

Harsh, little baby Palin might not be as much of a slut as Bristol.

What else is there to do in Wasila, Alaska... Meth?

What the hell is she wearing? Pleather?

well that was... prepared.

Yeah, so much so, that she turned it into a campaign commercial by avoiding any question she didn't like.

Biden: We don't support gay marriage. We think marriage should be defined by faith. We support there being NO difference in civil rights between straight couples and gay couples. If she agrees that there should be no civil rights difference between gay couples and straight couples, then we have no disagreement.
Moderator: Do you, Governor Palin?
Palin: The question you originally asked was if he supports gay marriage and he said no. I agree with him. We don't support gay marriage.

She avoided every question she didn't have a canned answer for. And blatantly lied that McCain supported more oversight, but when asked by the moderator to respond to Biden when he challenged him as the deregulator, she changed the subject to taxes.

The after-debate pundits are setting the bar way too low.

They seem to think Palin did an awesome job for answering all the questions.

What else is there to do in Wasila, Alaska... Meth?

Yep. Meth capital of Alaska. *nod*

The after-debate pundits are setting the bar way too low.

They seem to think Palin did an awesome job for answering all the questions.

What did they expect; grunts and whistles? :p

The after-debate pundits are setting the bar way too low.

They seem to think Palin did an awesome job for answering all the questions.

Except... she didn't answer the questions... she made irrelevant sound bites out of multiple issues at once.

What did they expect; grunts and whistles? :p

Pretty much.

What did they expect; grunts and whistles? :p

Drooling, gagging, and a lot of errs, ums and ands.

Deep breaths, into the news channel "Biden knew his stuff, but Palin didn't drool on her shirt so she did well..."





Like we didn't see this coming...

What did they expect; grunts and whistles? :p

I personally expected large amounts of gunfire, and the screams of dying moose...

well she wasnt scary stupid. she was just completely outclassed.

she was good enough that biden didnt come across as a bully or a smarty pants.

i dont know, was she good enough to comfort the stupid people?

What did they expect; grunts and whistles? :p
would have been more entertaining...I picture R2D2

well she wasnt scary stupid. she was just completely outclassed.

she was good enough that biden didnt come across as a bully or a smarty pants.

i dont know, was she good enough to comfort the stupid people?

I'll go around East Alabama and ask tomorrow. :p

would have been more entertaining...I picture R2D2

I'd vote for R2-D2

And nobody blinked when she played the "OMG T3h 3b1l m0zl3mz r going 2 n00k 1zrael!!!!!!1111" card.

Drooling, gagging, and a lot of errs, ums and ands.

No - they epected what they saw in the Katie Couric interviews, not drooling, gagging and lots of...

Oh.

I see your point.

well she wasnt scary stupid. she was just completely outclassed.

she was good enough that biden didnt come across as a bully or a smarty pants.

i dont know, was she good enough to comfort the stupid people?
Of course, she was.

well she wasnt scary stupid. she was just completely outclassed.

she was good enough that biden didnt come across as a bully or a smarty pants.

i dont know, was she good enough to comfort the stupid people?

Well, she's there to rally the base, so she tapped all the base's g-spots regardless of relevance. It probably helped...

Im going to sleep on election night with a Russian Passport under my pillow...

I'd vote for R2-D2

I especially support his stance on beep beeeeEEEp bop beep BEEP boop

I'd vote for R2-D2
We'd get our first gay robot VP that way!

Good grief, Palin annoyed me.

I think Biden was a great deal better about actually answering the questions he was asked, but whether that will convince anyone who didn't already prefer him, I honestly can't say. :(

well she wasnt scary stupid. she was just completely outclassed.

she was good enough that biden didnt come across as a bully or a smarty pants.

i dont know, was she good enough to comfort the stupid people?

Er... I'm going to put that more to Biden was good enough to not come off as a bully or a smarty pants.

Yeah, so much so, that she turned it into a campaign commercial by avoiding any question she didn't like.

.
Yes, that was her strongest point (in purely election-winning terms)

Well, she's there to rally the base, so she tapped all the base's g-spots regardless of relevance. It probably helped...
as long as they didnt notice that she didnt answer a bunch of questions.

We'd get our first gay robot VP that way!

You forgot Dan Quayle. ;)

Er... I'm going to put that more to Biden was good enough to not come off as a bully or a smarty pants.

Mostly because he attakced McCain, not Palin.

Though, it sounded like he didn't know Palin very well - ie. didn't have enough numbers about her.. ;)

Er... I'm going to put that more to Biden was good enough to not come off as a bully or a smarty pants.
that too. but if she were worse he would have had to hold back in order to set the right tone. she was good enough that when he gave better answers with more details it was the right thing to do.

and while he may not have been a smartypants there were a couple of times when i said "mygod that man knows everything!"

Oh, come on, Ash. The base doesn't care whether she answers questions. They heard "mom", "god", "nukuler", and "troops". That's enough for them.

I think Biden performed better, but that was expected (and he didn't screw up or seem condescending). Palin, I expected to fail miserably but she managed distance herself from her Couric performance. It'll probably be called a draw by the pundits, as a result. But again, the polls could very well say otherwise. If I had to guess we'll see more support for Biden from the post-debate polls, but I really like his answers and that's my bias. It seems more and more people are leaning that way, though.

as long as they didnt notice that she didnt answer a bunch of questions.

They don't care about questions, they come from meanie pants elites.

CNN took a room about 50 people, roughly split between men and women, republicans, democrats and independents, and asked them by show of hands, who won the debate.

By a show of hands, Biden appeared to win 2:1

Mostly because he attakced McCain, not Palin.

Though, it sounded like he didn't know Palin very well - ie. didn't have enough numbers about her.. ;)
theres little upside to attacking her. mccain is the top of the ticket and its his policies and his record that matters when it comes time to vote.

CNN took a room about 50 people, roughly split between men and women, republicans, democrats and independents, and asked them by show of hands, who won the debate.

By a show of hands, Biden appeared to win 2:1

Also, the post debate proved that Soledad O'Brien's cute.

Also, the post debate proved that Soledad O'Brien's cute.

She's so CUTE

CNN now, look at this chick's eyes!

Oh, come on, Ash. The base doesn't care whether she answers questions. They heard "mom", "god", "nukuler", and "troops". That's enough for them.
well maybe. but the base was scared after her interviews and the independents were dropping off in droves.

and there ARE stupid people who arent in the republican base. they have to be comforted too.

theres little upside to attacking her. mccain is the top of the ticket and its his policies and his record that matters when it comes time to vote.
True...

Seems like she's the odd ball in every way in the race. I'm leaning on her job being to look both VPILFy and mom-sy at the same time. :eek:

CNN now, look at this chick's eyes!

She was kinda freaky...

Oh, and of the 66 total points scored by Palin, 45 of them were from 1 person from the 6 person panel.

A republican strategist.

She was kinda freaky...

She had the googly eyes. And she couldn't say why she was going to vote McCain.

Oh, and of the 66 total points scored by Palin, 45 of them were from 1 person from the 6 person panel.

A republican strategist.

That's just a happy coincidence. ;)

True...

Seems like she's the odd ball in every way in the race. I'm leaning on her job being to look both VPILFy and mom-sy at the same time. :eek:
she scared the crap out of a lot of people who might have voted for mccain except that they didnt want HER to be "a heartbeat away" (what an awful phrase). if she has quieted those fears she can go back to being both the sexy candidate and the loving mom candidate.

She had the googly eyes. And she couldn't say why she was going to vote McCain.

"Cause I want to be on camera"?

Oh, and of the 66 total points scored by Palin, 45 of them were from 1 person from the 6 person panel.

A republican strategist.

So, then, if we take the difference as bee 21. Then divide them by the five remaining, that means that an average would be about 4 points each person. To be nice, we'll say 5.

That gives her a whopping averaged out, less biased, score of 30.

To Biden's 160 or so.

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Hmm...

I'm watching the 'spin room' crap on MSNBC now, it seems the Palin take away is "Why they bringin' up old shit?"

I'm watching the 'spin room' crap on MSNBC now, it seems the Palin take away is "Why they bringin' up old shit?"
yeah why did he keep talking about george bush? bush hasnt been president in....

oh nevermind.

Also, the post debate proved that Soledad O'Brien's cute.

Soledad O'Brien is even cuter in person

anyway, i dont want to look through the thread....

did she call the pm of pakistan "talibani"?

Soledad O'Brien is even cuter in person

New plan:
1. Go to Atlanta
2. Kidnap Soledad O'Brien and Robin Meade.
3. ???
4. Die a happy man.

New plan:
1. Go to Atlanta
2. Kidnap Soledad O'Brien and Robin Meade.
3. ???
4. Die a happy man.

3. Get caught and be executed by lethal injection?

This is great. This is better than actually watching the debate. Which I will be doing at the first available opportunity - 2:00 am Saturday morning. :eek2:

3. Get caught and be executed by lethal injection?

That's probably 3a. Depending on how far west I make it it might just be suicide by cop. But in the 30-40 minutes between 2 and 3a....

anyway, i dont want to look through the thread....

did she call the pm of pakistan "talibani"?

I assume she was referring to Jalal Talabani -- didn't she mention him in the same breath as Maliki?

I assume she was referring to Jalal Talabani -- didn't she mention him in the same breath as Maliki?

She took Good Old Mahmoud at face value as a credible threat. That says much about the tripe she buys into.

I assume she was referring to Jalal Talabani -- didn't she mention him in the same breath as Maliki?
ohhh i dont know who that is.

This dude on FOX (I know, I know...) is essentially saying 'If we didn't know who they were, you'd clearly give this to Biden, but Palin was adorable so she kinda won...' (paraphrased...)


key-rice-t

Consider the sauce.

Palin went straight to a rally? oh that's just....jeez, go to sleep woman.

Consider the sauce.

Palin went straight to a rally? oh that's just....jeez, go to sleep woman.

In her time zone it's still early.

In her time zone it's still early.

The debate was in Saint Louis. We're in the same time zone.

Well if the question is: was she better than expected, then yes, but then my 2-year old nephew would have a shot at reaching those expectations.

If the question is: do you want this person a heartbeat away from the presidency, then no, she came nowhere close.

That's probably 3a. Depending on how far west I make it it might just be suicide by cop. But in the 30-40 minutes between 2 and 3a....

There are far easier ways of meeting her...

interesting stat from CNN. Polls taken after the debate asking if Palin is qualified to be president, versus polls taken before the debate remained, essentially, unchanged.

There are far easier ways of meeting her...

I'm listening...

When Biden kept pointing out how McCain pretty much got PERFECT on Dance Dance Revolution Bush/Cheney Edition, Palin's responses were either a) Try to move the topic to other issues or b) "You did it too!"

Well if the question is: was she better than expected, then yes, but then my 2-year old nephew would have a shot at reaching those expectations.

If the question is: do you want this person a heartbeat away from the presidency, then no, she came nowhere close.

I don't feel that I've learned anything about her...which is what I was looking for tonight

watching was painful.......


btw, just cuz I haven't been paying attention is this "Joe six-pack" guy built or does he have a six pack of beer?

Well if the question is: was she better than expected, then yes, but then my 2-year old nephew would have a shot at reaching those expectations.

If the question is: do you want this person a heartbeat away from the presidency, then no, she came nowhere close.

I prefer to look at it like this:

Biden brings to the table experience, knowledge, and a healthy level understanding of the issues for fulfilling a role as main advisory for Obama.

Palin brings nuts. Absolute nuts for McCain. She has Zero usefulness in the office.

Note-I use nuts to mean nothing. Of course, the other meanings will apply just as readily, I do suppose.

interesting stat from CNN. Polls taken after the debate asking if Palin is qualified to be president, versus polls taken before the debate remained, essentially, unchanged.
yay!

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