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Is anybody sick of watching the Obama v McCain thing everytime they turn on the television. I live in Australia and everytime I turn on the television to watch the news, 15 out of the 30 minutes in on them. I cant imagine what must be going on in America. Yes I do accept the fact that this might be one of the most important elections in our modern history but this is going way too far.

I have actually taken the time to watch some of the presidential debates and I will admit that I loved them but apart from that I got really bored. I guess atm I might be getting a bit bored. My enthusiam will be back i guess on Nov 4. But does anybody have the same feeling that I am having at the moment.

You ask this on a political forum?

Fail.

Also interesting:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/todays-polls-1023-mccain-on-life.html

538 now shows Indiana blue. Depending on poll Obama is either winning by 9.5 points or 4 points. Not a huge lead on the low end, but still a lead. McCain's win percentage dropped to 3.7% and Obama's landslide (375 EV+) jumped to over 50%.

Did you notice, by the way, their current average of the outcome is exactly equal to my prediction? Hehe.

*snip*

Do what I do. Don't turn on the TV.

Is anybody sick of watching the Obama v McCain thing everytime they turn on the television. I live in Australia and everytime I turn on the television to watch the news, 15 out of the 30 minutes in on them. I cant imagine what must be going on in America. Yes I do accept the fact that this might be one of the most important elections in our modern history but this is going way too far.

I have actually taken the time to watch some of the presidential debates and I will admit that I loved them but apart from that I got really bored. I guess atm I might be getting a bit bored. My enthusiam will be back i guess on Nov 4. But does anybody have the same feeling that I am having at the moment.

So I guess the post I made responding to you when this was its own thread is lost to the sands of time. I'll summarize.

News organizations are companies. They exist to make a profit. The only reason they would continue to report on a story ad infinitum is if it was attracting viewers. Therefore, it stands to reason that there must be an audience for the US election amongst Australian television viewers.

I think I figured this out... stop me if this has already been mentioned. Do you want to know why the Republican campaign looks like they are trying to throw the race? It's because they are! They are backing out of it because it will be too hard to fix and want to make it the Dems fault completely. Before they go they figured they'd tack on another trillion or more in debt while making their best friends richer in the process. Thanks alot quitters.

In short, people are idiots.

This the root cause of practically every problem these days. Blatant, belligerent idiocy.

Obama is about as trustworthy as osama

Yep. Obama's a Muslim, no matter what he says, just because his name is similar to Osama.

Gee...since my middle name is Paul, I guess no matter what I claim about my atheism, I'm actually a Catholic!

Another interesting article:
Obama spreads the word in a land of God and guns

Barack Obama is battling for Republican votes in a crucial swing state that John McCain seems to have ignored. And it looks as if the Democrat could be winning. Guy Adams reports from Elko, Nevada

Nevada election (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obama-spreads-the-word-in-a-land-of-god-and-guns-971496.html)

longish article well worth reading. Especially the two bottom points:
* Nevada has 1,395,484 voters, of whom 598,584 are registered Democrats and 504,857 are Republicans. A relatively-high 216,634 support smaller parties (many are libertarians); the rest of the electorate is independent.
* In 2004, there were 429,808 Democrats and 434,209 Republicans, which helped George Bush carry the state by 20,000 votes. Most of the new Democrat voters are Latino immigrants to the city of Las Vegas.
Democrats now out-number Republicans by nearly 100,000 now when they were 5000 fewer 4 years ago. This in a state which Bush carried by just 20,000 votes in 2004.
This alone makes Nevada a definite possibility.

If everyone voted (and voted just for GOP or Dem), Obama would need just 99,159 of the independent and 3rd party supporters = 34% of their vote. McCain needs to get every registered republican voter + 66% of the independent vote.
I know it's a totally unlikely scenario (100% turnout, all voting for just 1 or the two big parties), but it highlights what an uphill battle McCain's got to win Nevada. He needs to get 60+% support of the independents to win this state.

Did you notice, by the way, their current average of the outcome is exactly equal to my prediction? Hehe.

though the big spike in simulation outcomes hits right near my high end estimate

Yep. Obama's a Muslim, no matter what he says, just because his name is similar to Osama.

Gee...since my middle name is Paul, I guess no matter what I claim about my atheism, I'm actually a Catholic!

And a libertarian.

though the big spike in simulation outcomes hits right near my high end estimate

Side bet. If I win, you have to let me fart in your mouth. It's a fantasy of mine.

Side bet. If I win, you have to let me fart in your mouth. It's a fantasy of mine.

is this price is right or bocce ball rules of closeness?

is this price is right or bocce ball rules of closeness?

Bocce ball.

Side bet. If I win, you have to let me fart in your mouth. It's a fantasy of mine.

You know, Jhahannam once wrote a poem about Jocabia...

http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13333332&postcount=1503

If he were still alive, he would now have to work this in somehow...

And a libertarian.Only if I was also named Ron.

Side bet. If I win, you have to let me fart in your mouth. It's a fantasy of mine.
...

Wha...?

DONT PISS OFF THE LIBERAL ELITE MEDIA!

they will get you.What I can't see won't hurt mes!

*Covers eyes with a cloth and begins chopping throw the thread with a battle axe.*

You know, Jhahannam once wrote a poem about Jocabia...

http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13333332&postcount=1503

If he were still alive, he would now have to work this in somehow...

This thread is about to replace that one for largest. And I don't have nearly enough posts. Quick let's play a word game and get it sent to spam and get my posts for this thread up.

Yeah, that was when I first met you. And, what? Now I know some lions you've seen like to sniff each others butts but the leaders like to be more proactive.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081024/pl_politico/14891;_ylt=AuZuUrm7ts37EPvSvjoODN.yFz4D

Death throes?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081024/pl_politico/14891;_ylt=AuZuUrm7ts37EPvSvjoODN.yFz4D

Death throes?

Not quite. The campaign certainly has an outside chance of pulling the election off, so I doubt they're giving up. It just sounds like everyone involved is getting their respective stories ready in case they do lose. They're just being prepared. :)

And a libertarian.

And a Beatle!

Which reminds me - my name translates as John.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081024/pl_politico/14891;_ylt=AuZuUrm7ts37EPvSvjoODN.yFz4D

Death throes?
I like the title of the article. Gotta love the media.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081024/pl_politico/14891;_ylt=AuZuUrm7ts37EPvSvjoODN.yFz4D

Death throes?

Im crossing my fingers that McCain supporters will be so disheartened that wont show up to vote.

what happened to Jhahannam ?

what happened to Jhahannam ?

Hes Hammurab.


At least, Im 99% sure he is.

so, anybody planning on going to obama's victory party in grant park? i know we have a couple people in the general vicinity around here.

Interesting news today

98% of possible voters registered in Michigan (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081023/POLITICS01/810230386)

Overall, there were four times more new voters in heavily Democratic counties than in heavily Republican counties.

In a new offering this year, the Macomb County Clerk's Office remained open until midnight Oct. 6, the last day to register for the November election. Between 5 p.m. and midnight, 120 people came through the door to register.

"Right now, we're anticipating a possible voter turnout of 80 percent to 85 percent," Sabaugh said.

And before the accusations start

Colburn declined comment on whether ACORN activities may have inflated voter numbers.

"Our effort was a wholly independent program," he said.

Liz Kerr, spokeswoman for the Michigan Democratic Party, wouldn't offer specifics on the party's strategy for getting new registrants out to vote.

"We don't publicly discuss the details of our get-out-the-vote effort," she said. "We'll just say we always work hard to bring voters out in strong Democratic areas."

so, anybody planning on going to obama's victory party in grant park? i know we have a couple people in the general vicinity around here.

You people are making me very paranoid.

http://haysvillelibrary.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/dewey-beats-truman1.jpg

Don't get complacent, dammit.

so, anybody planning on going to obama's election-night rally in grant park? i know we have a couple people in the general vicinity around here.

Fixed so it's not a jinx. ;) Rally will be held no matter the outcome of the election.

I wish I could, but it's too close to my due date. Despite the funny story it would make, I don't want to give birth at an outdoor rally in Chicago in November. It'll be cold enough with my pants on.

Fixed so it's not a jinx. ;) Rally will be held no matter the outcome of the election.

I wish I could, but it's too close to my due date. Despite the funny story it would make, I don't want to give birth at an outdoor rally in Chicago in November. It'll be cold enough with my pants on.

Oh! How can you not? You should be going and HOPING for it! How many babies are going to be born at that rally?

And the story will be epic!

Mommy, why did you call me 'Liberty?'

It was the night of the election - the air was pregnant, and so was I...

etc.

I wish I could, but it's too close to my due date. Despite the funny story it would make, I don't want to give birth at an outdoor rally in Chicago in November. It'll be cold enough with my pants on.

there will be medical staff and ambulances on standby. i say do it - you'd make the papers, even.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10358584&ch=4226713&src=news

"iReporters Question McCain"

Not sure if the link works to these pop-up news things, so I'll just transcribe the part that interested me. A curious claim from McCain:

"The first role of govenment is to help people who are in crisis or need. That's why we have government."

(It's just over 2 minutes in).

You people are making me very paranoid.

Don't get complacent, dammit.

i'd be way more worried if the polls were sporadic and showing a tendency to overestimate rather than underestimate obama, and if we didn't have evidence already of fucking massive enthusiasm. i mean, he could lose like seven points across the board and still win the thing. but instead of that, we're talking about possibly taking motherfucking georgia (http://www.insideradvantagegeorgia.com/restricted/2008/October%202008/10-24-08/Insider_Ga_Poll102419643.php) at this point.

Barry Goldwater's granddaughter endorses Obama (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-goldwater/why-mccain-has-lost-our-v_b_137150.html)

Excellent!

So did another former GOP governor.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcb_election2008/20081024/wl_mcb_election2008/anotherformergopgovernorbacksobama;_ylt=Av24.HR72X2aF0xJ7gkijXaMwfIE

Barack Obama Friday picked up another endorsement from a leading Republican — former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld.
Weld, who earlier this year campaigned for another Republican, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, backed Obama in the same week as former Minnesota Gov. Arne Carlson, a Republican, and former Bush administration Secretary of State Colin Powell.
Weld, in a statement, Friday, called Obama "a once-in-a-lifetime candidate who will transform our politics and restore America's standing in the world."
And, said Weld, governor of Massachusetts from 1991 to 1997, "We need a president who will lead based on our common values and Sen. Obama demonstrates an ability to unite and inspire. Throughout this campaign I've watched his steady leadership through trying times and I'm confident he is the best candidate to move our country forward."

GOP Pulling Its Ads From Bachmann's Race, Media Buyers Say

Five days after Rep. Michele Bachmann went on a McCarthy-esque rant suggesting Barack Obama was unpatriotic and urging the major newspapers of the country to investigate anti-American sentiment in Congress, the national Republican political parties are running for cover.

Two sources aware of ad buys in Minnesota say that the National Republican Congressional Committee is pulling its media purchases from Bachmann's race. If true, it is a remarkable fall for a congresswoman who, until recently, seemed relatively safe in her predominantly conservative district. The race had become closer in recent days -- the NRCC had transferred funds from Rep. Erik Paulsen (MN-03) to Bachmann a little over a week ago.

In the days following her appearance on Hardball, however, Bachmann has watched as her challenger, El Tinklenberg raised more than a million dollars off her incendiary remarks. That surge in fundraising put Bachmann's re-election in a far less certain position. Bachmann tried to stem the bleeding by telling the press she was sorry for her remarks. But with the national party now apparently pulling the plug, the situation has gone from bad to worse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/gop-pulling-its-ads-from_n_136941.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/10/house_republicans_bowing_to_po.html

The NRCC is pulling funding from Michele Bachmann in the aftermath of her tirade.

I didn't realize so many conservatives were black. No wonder Obama can unite people across party lines.

Hes Hammurab.


At least, Im 99% sure he is.

Different posting styles.

McCain met dictator, without preconditions (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-dinges/mccain-meets-a-bloody-dic_b_137422.html). His meeting with Pinochet was after he had been caught sponsoring terrorist bombings on US soil, which put him on a blacklist even with most Republicans. This revelation would certainly hurt our relations with Latin America, if McCain got elected.

McCain met dictator, without preconditions (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-dinges/mccain-meets-a-bloody-dic_b_137422.html). His meeting with Pinochet was after he had been caught sponsoring terrorist bombings on US soil, which put him on a blacklist even with most Republicans. This revelation would certainly hurt our relations with Latin America, if McCain got elected.

McCain palling around with terrorists?

Shocked! SHOCKED I tell you!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081024/pl_politico/14891;_ylt=AuZuUrm7ts37EPvSvjoODN.yFz4D

Death throes?

It's funny that they're arguing back and forth about who is to blame for leading "the candidate astray". It seems like to me that the only person to blame is John McCain. HE is supposed to be the leader, not anyone else. If you allow too many other people to dictate to you your policies and strategies, the result will be chaos and mismanagement. Anyone who is even passingly familiar with his previous stances (based on his primary campaigns from years past, for example) can recognize the massive shifting he has undergone. Such changes are customary among politicians, but I would suggest that for McCain the problem is more extensive and of his own doing. The strategy of "anything to get elected" can fail, when "anything" results in a total lack of focus and leadership coming from the top. No one is at fault but McCain himself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/gop-pulling-its-ads-from_n_136941.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/10/house_republicans_bowing_to_po.html

The NRCC is pulling funding from Michele Bachmann in the aftermath of her tirade.

The equivalent of screaming "Macaca!" in a crowded theatre.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/gop-pulling-its-ads-from_n_136941.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/10/house_republicans_bowing_to_po.html

The NRCC is pulling funding from Michele Bachmann in the aftermath of her tirade.
Good. Even if they're only doing it to cover their own asses, it's high time some people learned there are consequences to running their mouths. You can't just say anything.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10358584&ch=4226713&src=news

"iReporters Question McCain"

Not sure if the link works to these pop-up news things, so I'll just transcribe the part that interested me. A curious claim from McCain:



(It's just over 2 minutes in).

What he MEANT was "The roll of the government is to help rich white men."

What he MEANT was "The roll of the government is to help rich white men."

Like himself, Mister 'Was It 6 or 7 Houses?' McCain.

Like himself, Mister 'Was It 6 or 7 Houses?' McCain.

Buts hes more in touch with average america.

Buts hes more in touch with average america.

About as in touch with average America as Caribou Barbie is a down-to-earth hockey mom with a 150 grand makeover.

About as in touch with average America as Caribou Barbie is a down-to-earth hockey mom with a 150 grand makeover.

Why do you hate freedom/are you a sexist?

What he MEANT was "The roll of the government is to help rich white men."

Well yeah, that's what he meant by "people".

Well yeah, that's what he meant by "people".

Ah yes, my bad. When one uses Babel Fish and translates from "Right Wing to English", you are correct, "people" is indeed translated to "Rich White Men".


So, it seems that McCain said exactly what he meant, just in a different langauge:tongue:

Good. Even if they're only doing it to cover their own asses, it's high time some people learned there are consequences to running their mouths. You can't just say anything.

They're not really doing it to cover their own asses. They're doing it because they're not going to waste their money on a candidate that was stupid enough to turn a race that was a Republican lock into a toss-up. They only have so much money; they can't really be blowing it on a candidate who enjoys shooting herself in the foot when they have candidates in hotly-contested elections who DIDN'T say dumb shit to get into a tight race. They have a duty to try to help as many Republicans win their elections as possible, and they're not going to waste their precious time and money helping a candidate who can't even help herself.

Ah yes, my bad. When one uses Babel Fish and translates from "Right Wing to English", you are correct, "people" is indeed translated to "Rich White Men".


So, it seems that McCain said exactly what he meant, just in a different langauge:tongue:

The literal translation is actually "Rich White Protestant Men." It's usually just shortened for ease of use.

Why do you hate freedom/are you a sexist?

Don't forget I'm also a commie-liberal-islamofascist-who-dwarf-tossed-Elian Gonzalez-onto-the-plane-back-to-Cuba.

:D

Don't forget I'm also a commie-liberal-islamofascist-who-dwarf-tossed-Elian Gonzalez-onto-the-plane-back-to-Cuba.

:D


That was you?!?:eek:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/gop-pulling-its-ads-from_n_136941.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/10/house_republicans_bowing_to_po.html

The NRCC is pulling funding from Michele Bachmann in the aftermath of her tirade.

Yay! :D She deserves no less.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10358584&ch=4226713&src=news

"iReporters Question McCain"

Not sure if the link works to these pop-up news things, so I'll just transcribe the part that interested me. A curious claim from McCain:



(It's just over 2 minutes in).

Damn socialist!

The equivalent of screaming "Macaca!" in a crowded theatre.I don't recall Allen doing it in a theatre. He did it in response to the only minority member of the conservative gathering of students he was speaking at.

So, it seems that McCain said exactly what he meant, just in a different langauge:tongue:

I can't blame the guy, quite often the French word for something pops into my head before the English one, leading to similarly comedic circumstances.

That was you?!?:eek:

I had my tossing gloves ready behind the SWAT team, so they hogged up the space in front of the camera.

:D :D :D

McCain met dictator, without preconditions (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-dinges/mccain-meets-a-bloody-dic_b_137422.html). His meeting with Pinochet was after he had been caught sponsoring terrorist bombings on US soil, which put him on a blacklist even with most Republicans. This revelation would certainly hurt our relations with Latin America, if McCain got elected.

I think Keith Olbermann said it well:

The image has been carefully stitched together, one hypocritical kvetch at a time. If John McCain complains about Sen. Obama, you can count on it, whatever it is; John McCain or Sarah Palin have done it more, or earlier, or worse, or more obviously.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-charlottesville-virginia.html

We discussed voter registration, and the varied approach each party's campaign takes. "Democrats use a shotgun approach to voter registration. Republicans use a rifle." If Democrats are setting up a voter registration table on the Downtown Mall, for example, "they're registering a lot of Republicans." By contrast, Schoenewald said, "we're going after very targeted people."

"Those dumbass democrats are registering everyone and hoping they'll win like that. We Republicans know that you have to only register the people who support you."

Honestly, would Republicans be satisfied if four people in the US voted as long as 3 of them voted for McCain? According to this guy, yup. Seriously, when you don't give a shit about the people, aren't you supposed to fake it?

What he MEANT was "The roll of the government is to help rich white men."

I know... I was confused. Either I've seriously misunderestimated McCain's almost Democratic philanthropy... or he was talking crap because he didn't have a real answer.

Damn socialist!

I know, right?

I was listening to the article while I was doing something else, and I found myself nodding and think "You know, that's the first thing I've agreed with him about, so far".

Then, of course, I realised that alarm bells were ringing...

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-charlottesville-virginia.html

We discussed voter registration, and the varied approach each party's campaign takes. "Democrats use a shotgun approach to voter registration. Republicans use a rifle." If Democrats are setting up a voter registration table on the Downtown Mall, for example, "they're registering a lot of Republicans." By contrast, Schoenewald said, "we're going after very targeted people."

"Those dumbass democrats are registering everyone and hoping they'll win like that. We Republicans know that you have to only register the people who support you."

Honestly, would Republicans be satisfied if four people in the US voted as long as 3 of them voted for McCain? According to this guy, yup. Seriously, when you don't give a shit about the people, aren't you supposed to fake it?Palin let slip that she only loved "real" America, Pfotenhauer said similar stuff about Virginia. It's no surprise, really.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-charlottesville-virginia.html

We discussed voter registration, and the varied approach each party's campaign takes. "Democrats use a shotgun approach to voter registration. Republicans use a rifle." If Democrats are setting up a voter registration table on the Downtown Mall, for example, "they're registering a lot of Republicans." By contrast, Schoenewald said, "we're going after very targeted people."

"Those dumbass democrats are registering everyone and hoping they'll win like that. We Republicans know that you have to only register the people who support you."

Honestly, would Republicans be satisfied if four people in the US voted as long as 3 of them voted for McCain? According to this guy, yup. Seriously, when you don't give a shit about the people, aren't you supposed to fake it?

Well, if you just register EVERYONE, the wrong people get to vote... and they'll just end up wasting it, or repay your time and energy by brutally betraying you with an opposition vote. Bastards.

Well, if you just register EVERYONE, the wrong people get to vote...

Like blacks and women. *nods*

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-charlottesville-virginia.html

We discussed voter registration, and the varied approach each party's campaign takes. "Democrats use a shotgun approach to voter registration. Republicans use a rifle." If Democrats are setting up a voter registration table on the Downtown Mall, for example, "they're registering a lot of Republicans." By contrast, Schoenewald said, "we're going after very targeted people."

"Those dumbass democrats are registering everyone and hoping they'll win like that. We Republicans know that you have to only register the people who support you."

Honestly, would Republicans be satisfied if four people in the US voted as long as 3 of them voted for McCain? According to this guy, yup. Seriously, when you don't give a shit about the people, aren't you supposed to fake it?


If you really don't care, you feel no need to fake it.

If you really don't care, you feel no need to fake it.

You know for years I've held the parties as generally equal. Both are wildly corrupt. Both pander to groups to press their agenda. Both are really out for the special interests and big business. And both covet power to the federal government.

But, frankly, given the last decade or so, how can I hold that position anymore? There have been widespread admissions by leaders in the GOP that they frankly don't give a shit about anyone that disagrees with them, widespread admissions that the only message they care about is the one that is popular enough for them to win.

I keep watching and hoping some major party hopefuls will stand up and say enough, but nothing. Honestly, I hope this is the end for Republicans. I really do. They're too far gone to save. I hope in their place rises an actual populist party that holds that power is best left to the people and aims to shrink the federal government to only those things it's best suited to do.

Unsurprisingly, the New York Times endorses Obama. But they seem angry at McCain:

Hyperbole is the currency of presidential campaigns, but this year the nation’s future truly hangs in the balance.

The United States is battered and drifting after eight years of President Bush’s failed leadership. He is saddling his successor with two wars, a scarred global image and a government systematically stripped of its ability to protect and help its citizens — whether they are fleeing a hurricane’s floodwaters, searching for affordable health care or struggling to hold on to their homes, jobs, savings and pensions in the midst of a financial crisis that was foretold and preventable.

As tough as the times are, the selection of a new president is easy. After nearly two years of a grueling and ugly campaign, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois has proved that he is the right choice to be the 44th president of the United States.

In the same time, Senator John McCain of Arizona has retreated farther and farther to the fringe of American politics, running a campaign on partisan division, class warfare and even hints of racism. His policies and worldview are mired in the past. His choice of a running mate so evidently unfit for the office was a final act of opportunism and bad judgment that eclipsed the accomplishments of 26 years in Congress.

Given the particularly ugly nature of Mr. McCain’s campaign, the urge to choose on the basis of raw emotion is strong. But there is a greater value in looking closely at the facts of life in America today and at the prescriptions the candidates offer. The differences are profound.

Mr. McCain offers more of the Republican every-man-for-himself ideology, now lying in shards on Wall Street and in Americans’ bank accounts. Mr. Obama has another vision of government’s role and responsibilities.
The American financial system is the victim of decades of Republican deregulatory and anti-tax policies. Those ideas have been proved wrong at an unfathomable price, but Mr. McCain — a self-proclaimed “foot soldier in the Reagan revolution” — is still a believer.

Mr. Obama sees that far-reaching reforms will be needed to protect Americans and American business.

Mr. McCain talks about reform a lot, but his vision is pinched. His answer to any economic question is to eliminate pork-barrel spending — about $18 billion in a $3 trillion budget — cut taxes and wait for unfettered markets to solve the problem.

Mr. McCain, who once opposed President Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy as fiscally irresponsible, now wants to make them permanent. And while he talks about keeping taxes low for everyone, his proposed cuts would overwhelmingly benefit the top 1 percent of Americans while digging the country into a deeper fiscal hole.

Mr. Obama wants to reform the United Nations, while Mr. McCain wants to create a new entity, the League of Democracies — a move that would incite even fiercer anti-American furies around the world.

Unfortunately, Mr. McCain, like Mr. Bush, sees the world as divided into friends (like Georgia) and adversaries (like Russia). He proposed kicking Russia out of the Group of 8 industrialized nations even before the invasion of Georgia. We have no sympathy for Moscow’s bullying, but we also have no desire to replay the cold war. The United States must find a way to constrain the Russians’ worst impulses, while preserving the ability to work with them on arms control and other vital initiatives.

Both candidates talk tough on terrorism, and neither has ruled out military action to end Iran’s nuclear weapons program. But Mr. Obama has called for a serious effort to try to wean Tehran from its nuclear ambitions with more credible diplomatic overtures and tougher sanctions. Mr. McCain’s willingness to joke about bombing Iran was frightening.

Mr. McCain, whom we chose as the best Republican nominee in the primaries, has spent the last coins of his reputation for principle and sound judgment to placate the limitless demands and narrow vision of the far-right wing. His righteous fury at being driven out of the 2000 primaries on a racist tide aimed at his adopted daughter has been replaced by a zealous embrace of those same win-at-all-costs tactics and tacticians.

He surrendered his standing as an independent thinker in his rush to embrace Mr. Bush’s misbegotten tax policies and to abandon his leadership position on climate change and immigration reform.

Mr. McCain could have seized the high ground on energy and the environment. Earlier in his career, he offered the first plausible bill to control America’s emissions of greenhouse gases. Now his positions are a caricature of that record: think Ms. Palin leading chants of “drill, baby, drill.”

Mr. Obama has withstood some of the toughest campaign attacks ever mounted against a candidate. He’s been called un-American and accused of hiding a secret Islamic faith. The Republicans have linked him to domestic terrorists and questioned his wife’s love of her country. Ms. Palin has also questioned millions of Americans’ patriotism, calling Republican-leaning states “pro-America.”

This politics of fear, division and character assassination helped Mr. Bush drive Mr. McCain from the 2000 Republican primaries and defeat Senator John Kerry in 2004. It has been the dominant theme of his failed presidency.

The nation’s problems are simply too grave to be reduced to slashing “robo-calls” and negative ads. This country needs sensible leadership, compassionate leadership, honest leadership and strong leadership. Barack Obama has shown that he has all of those qualities.
Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/opinion/24fri1.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=opinion)

Barry Goldwater's granddaughter endorses Obama (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-goldwater/why-mccain-has-lost-our-v_b_137150.html)


Gas, grass or ass if you want to hop on the bandwagon chickypie. :p

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-charlottesville-virginia.html

We discussed voter registration, and the varied approach each party's campaign takes. "Democrats use a shotgun approach to voter registration. Republicans use a rifle." If Democrats are setting up a voter registration table on the Downtown Mall, for example, "they're registering a lot of Republicans." By contrast, Schoenewald said, "we're going after very targeted people."

"Those dumbass democrats are registering everyone and hoping they'll win like that. We Republicans know that you have to only register the people who support you."

Honestly, would Republicans be satisfied if four people in the US voted as long as 3 of them voted for McCain? According to this guy, yup. Seriously, when you don't give a shit about the people, aren't you supposed to fake it?


There are just troubles by both sides when Dems or Repubs register people. I've helped to register people to vote. When I did it, I had to take a non-partisan approach. Whether or not the person registered Republican or not. It wasn't my job to turn away people who have wanted to vote. But there are problems from people on both sides with this. I remember reading stories where there were Republicans throwing away registrations that contained democratic applicants. This is the problem when you put registration in both parties hands. And Acorn wasn't that great either. So no idea what way would be better to handle it. I remember when I regestered to vote, I did it in my policial science class in high school. Maybe it would be better to catch young voters in school, and for others i should be done at a post office or at a motor vehicals, and not let either party handle it.

There are just troubles by both sides when Dems or Repubs register people. I've helped to register people to vote. When I did it, I had to take a non-partisan approach. Whether or not the person registered Republican or not. It wasn't my job to turn away people who have wanted to vote. But there are problems from people on both sides with this. I remember reading stories where there were Republicans throwing away registrations that contained democratic applicants. This is the problem when you put registration in both parties hands. And Acorn wasn't that great either. So no idea what way would be better to handle it. I remember when I regestered to vote, I did it in my policial science class in high school. Maybe it would be better to catch young voters in school, and for others i should be done at a post office or at a motor vehicals, and not let either party handle it.

Aye. As I said in the other thread, you can't leave stuff as important as this to parties which are intrinsically self-serving. Voter registration has to be done by an organisation which is strictly non-partisan. Then again, if you all had compulsory voting, that'd make it much easier...

:eek2:

The Obama campaign is spending millions of dollars on 30 minutes of prime time next week in what amounts to a big gamble for a presidential candidate with a decent lead in the polls so close to Election Day. The Obama show, airing on the major broadcast networks (NBC, CBS and Fox are confirmed; ABC is still in talks) and three cable news networks, will be the last big set piece of the extraordinary 2008 presidential campaign. One senior source close to the campaign puts the price tag in the $6 million range—which would make it the most expensive single political ad ever.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/165327

Anyway my mom was volunteering for Obama. The ironic thing is the McCain headquarters and the Obama are side by side by each other.

We came out this afternoon and this man and woman came out of th McCain headquarters and they glared at us with such cold, hatefull glances it scared the shit out of me. I think they honestly wanted to kill us, if murder wasn't a crime. Geeze....

Me thinks that putting the two campagne headquarters so close together wasn't such a brillant idea.

We came out this afternoon and this man and woman came out of th McCain headquarters and they glared at us with such cold, hatefull glances it scared the shit out of me. I think they honestly wanted to kill us, if murder wasn't a crime. Geeze....

You see, and people wonder why I treat these kind of people as less than trash. They get the treatment they give, as per Newton's third law of motion.

You see, and people wonder why I treat these kind of people as less than trash. They get the treatment they give, as per Newton's third law of motion.

*Sighs* I don't agree. I am just sad that as Americans we can't get along. We *all* want to make our country better, we just don't agree in the ways it should be done.

*Sighs* I don't agree. I am just sad that as Americans we can't get along. We *all* want to make our country better, we just don't agree in the ways it should be done.

And so THEY, not US, (well, not you, at least, I'm a Brazilian), start calling people un-American, mutilating bear cubs, firing people for having Kerry bumper stickers, and all that crap. Why should we treat them any differently?

*Sighs* I don't agree. I am just sad that as Americans we can't get along. We *all* want to make our country better, we just don't agree in the ways it should be done.

I'm not even sure that's true, to be honest. I think there are some people that want to get along, on each side - want to make the world a better place, all that.

After that, I think it starts to break down - I think the Republican party attracts those who couldn't give a shit about MOST people, and want to make sure 'I'm alright, Jack', while the Democratic faction attracts more those who seek a kind of 'overall' improvement.

Maybe.

And so THEY, not US, (well, not you, at least, I'm a Brazilian), start calling people un-American, mutilating bear cubs, firing people for having Kerry bumper stickers, and all that crap. Why should we treat them any differently?

I know what you mean.... we don't have any campagne signs up this year. Want to know why? We had a Kerry sign in the window along with the Amerian flag side by side. Patriotic, yes. At least my family thought so, till someone decided to egg our house and our windows. Ironically.... they did not egg the window with the flag.

I know what you mean.... we don't have any campagne signs up this year. Want to know why? We had a Kerry sign in the window along with the Amerian flag side by side. Patriotic, yes. At least my family thought so, till someone decided to egg our house and our windows. Ironically.... they did not egg the window with the flag.

So, again, I ask: Why should you treat them any different?

To be sure: I don't mean all Republicans. I meant the kind of people that will go "you hate America" at political opponents and other scum.

So, again, I ask: Why should you treat them any different?

Moral highground's a bitch, innit.

Moral highground's a bitch, innit.

Moral highground is only good for spitting down at them from it. :p

So, again, I ask: Why should you treat them any different?

To be sure: I don't mean all Republicans. I meant the kind of people that will go "you hate America" at political opponents and other scum.

Because I am a Christian for one. And something about turning the other cheak (just as long as I am not carving a J or a B on it.) :p

Because I am a Christian for one. And something about turning the other cheak (just as long as I am not carving a J or a B on it.) :p

Shrugs.

Moral highground is only good for spitting down at them from it. :p

Yeah, and I hear the grounds at Westborough Baptist Church is pretty high especially during the death of others.

:tongue:

Because I am a Christian for one. And something about turning the other cheak (just as long as I am not carving a J or a B on it.) :p


If you listen to some of these right wing fundie christians they don't believe in turning the other cheek. To be honest I would like to have them deported to some faraway tundra (antartic), but hey 8 years has left me a bitter man.

*Sighs* I don't agree. I am just sad that as Americans we can't get along. We *all* want to make our country better, we just don't agree in the ways it should be done.
I have to say, honestly, that I don't really believe that's true. I think the most radical of the American right wing are fundamentally opposed to the principles on which our nation was founded, especially social egalitarianism, secular government, and the rule of law. I believe their only idea of how to make this country better is to destroy it and replace it with a completely different kind of country. Their vision is a country I do not want to live in. I consider myself a revolutionary in the sense of an American Revolution-ary, and I have to say I do look at people like Sarah Palin and Michele Bachman as "counter-revolutionary." They are opposed to everything I was raised to believe was right and American. I view them as the enemies of my nation. I do not believe they have the best interests of the nation at heart, only their own interests. They sure as hell don't have MY best interests at heart.

And it is unfortunate that people like these have so poisoned the Republican party that I see no good course for the US that does not end in removing the Republicans from higher office altogether.

By the way, I used to be a mixed-ticket voter. I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats in my voting lifetime. Not anymore. I see the Republican party as corrupted by dangerous extremists, and I will do whatever is in my power (admittedly not much) to break them.

A couple of the polling maps (Pollster (http://www.pollster.com/) & Electoral-vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com/)) are now showing Montana and North Dakota as dead heat battleground states. At only 3 EV each, it's not that big an impact, both both states were solid red states for a long time.

I don't see any indication from the top ten polling maps (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/10/election_08_top.php) that McCain's Pennsylvania strategy has a chance in hell of working. He should revert to the Dole strategy from 1996 and spend his campaign efforts on preventing a hemorrhage in the Senate, though I don't think his coattails are particularly long right now.

Stick a fork in it, John. You're done.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10358584&ch=4226713&src=news

"iReporters Question McCain"

Not sure if the link works to these pop-up news things, so I'll just transcribe the part that interested me. A curious claim from McCain:



(It's just over 2 minutes in).
Do you have another link to this? This link doesn't give me anything.

My fantasy is this: Obama gets elected and in his inauguration speech repudiates all of his supporters, disbands the military-industrial complex, and warns the American people that he is in great danger of assassination.

You know for years I've held the parties as generally equal. Both are wildly corrupt. Both pander to groups to press their agenda. Both are really out for the special interests and big business. And both covet power to the federal government.

But, frankly, given the last decade or so, how can I hold that position anymore? There have been widespread admissions by leaders in the GOP that they frankly don't give a shit about anyone that disagrees with them, widespread admissions that the only message they care about is the one that is popular enough for them to win.

I keep watching and hoping some major party hopefuls will stand up and say enough, but nothing. Honestly, I hope this is the end for Republicans. I really do. They're too far gone to save. I hope in their place rises an actual populist party that holds that power is best left to the people and aims to shrink the federal government to only those things it's best suited to do.

I have to say, honestly, that I don't really believe that's true. I think the most radical of the American right wing are fundamentally opposed to the principles on which our nation was founded, especially social egalitarianism, secular government, and the rule of law. I believe their only idea of how to make this country better is to destroy it and replace it with a completely different kind of country. Their vision is a country I do not want to live in. I consider myself a revolutionary in the sense of an American Revolution-ary, and I have to say I do look at people like Sarah Palin and Michele Bachman as "counter-revolutionary." They are opposed to everything I was raised to believe was right and American. I view them as the enemies of my nation. I do not believe they have the best interests of the nation at heart, only their own interests. They sure as hell don't have MY best interests at heart.

And it is unfortunate that people like these have so poisoned the Republican party that I see no good course for the US that does not end in removing the Republicans from higher office altogether.

By the way, I used to be a mixed-ticket voter. I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats in my voting lifetime. Not anymore. I see the Republican party as corrupted by dangerous extremists, and I will do whatever is in my power (admittedly not much) to break them.

You're both right.

Personally, what I think may happen is that the Republican party will split, and all of the non-crazies will break off and form a Conservative party. (What that might be called, I dunno...probably just Conservative, but it could be anything from New Whig to Log Cabin Republican to Progressive to anything under the sun.) The crazies will stand by the Republican party and make it a rather strong third-party foil to the Democrats and Conservatives for a long time to come.

In other words, it's going to basically be that for awhile we'll have two major parties and one minor party, rather than two parties and a bunch of ignorable parties.

:eek2:


http://www.newsweek.com/id/165327
This'll be interesting.
A couple of the polling maps (Pollster (http://www.pollster.com/) & Electoral-vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com/)) are now showing Montana and North Dakota as dead heat battleground states. At only 3 EV each, it's not that big an impact, both both states were solid red states for a long time.

I don't see any indication from the top ten polling maps (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/10/election_08_top.php) that McCain's Pennsylvania strategy has a chance in hell of working. He should revert to the Dole strategy from 1996 and spend his campaign efforts on preventing a hemorrhage in the Senate, though I don't think his coattails are particularly long right now.

Stick a fork in it, John. You're done.
I hope he sticks to what he's doing, so he can damage his party as much as possible. The more he does that, the more likely the split.

My fantasy is this: Obama gets elected and in his inauguration speech repudiates all of his supporters, disbands the military-industrial complex, and warns the American people that he is in great danger of assassination.

And fantasy it will stay, unless we somehow go communist.

I have to say, honestly, that I don't really believe that's true. I think the most radical of the American right wing are fundamentally opposed to the principles on which our nation was founded, especially social egalitarianism, secular government, and the rule of law. I believe their only idea of how to make this country better is to destroy it and replace it with a completely different kind of country. Their vision is a country I do not want to live in. I consider myself a revolutionary in the sense of an American Revolution-ary, and I have to say I do look at people like Sarah Palin and Michele Bachman as "counter-revolutionary." They are opposed to everything I was raised to believe was right and American. I view them as the enemies of my nation. I do not believe they have the best interests of the nation at heart, only their own interests. They sure as hell don't have MY best interests at heart.

And it is unfortunate that people like these have so poisoned the Republican party that I see no good course for the US that does not end in removing the Republicans from higher office altogether.

By the way, I used to be a mixed-ticket voter. I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats in my voting lifetime. Not anymore. I see the Republican party as corrupted by dangerous extremists, and I will do whatever is in my power (admittedly not much) to break them.

*sighs* I am just idealistic. I admit it. I agree there are a lot of Ugly Republicans out there. And I agree I do see a lot of the Republicans as dangerous extremists. Untill the Republicans recant this, then I refuse to support or vote for them.

On another note, I also got some nasty looks from children at the store when I was shopping when I was walking to the car wearing my Obama tee-Shirt. One girl either 5 or 6 yelled out, Nobama. I ignored her. But if this is our future.... I fear it.

Blues' Legace suffers hip injury after tripping on Palin carpet

ST. LOUIS -- Blues goalie Manny Legace left after one period Friday night with a hip injury that occurred when he slipped on the carpet placed on the ice for Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

The Alaska governor dropped the ceremonial first puck before the Blues hosted the Los Angeles Kings. A narrow carpet walkway was placed from the gate at the Blues bench to center ice for Palin, her husband and two of her daughters.

Just before the ceremony, Legace was the first player onto the ice for St. Louis. A team official pointed to the carpet. But Legace said the official moved his own foot from the carpet just as Legace stepped down, causing the carpet to slide.

Legace fell, then gingerly made his way to the crease.

After Legace's mishap, the official rolled up enough of the carpet so other players wouldn't have to step on it.

Legace described the injury as a strained left hip flexor. He doesn't believe it is serious but said it is painful. He said he won't play Saturday when the Blues host Florida, but wasn't sure if he'd miss any additional games.

"I felt a pull right away," Legace said. "I was hoping it would just go away."

But after making his first save, the injury felt worse, Legace said. He played one period, giving up two goals on 12 shots. After the intermission, the team said he suffered a "lower body" injury but did not immediately elaborate. He was replaced by Ben Bishop, making his NHL debut.

Legace is 4-2 with a 2.94 goals-against average in six games this season. He is 313-291 in his nine-year career. He was selected to the Western Conference All-Star team last season.

It was Palin's second appearance at an NHL game this month. She also dropped the ceremonial puck at Philadelphia on Oct. 11.

Legace didn't blame Palin for the injury.

"She's been pretty good for our game," Legace said. "I'm starting to like her more and more. No grudge."

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3662877

So there goes any chance McCain had of taking Missouri, lol.

A couple of the polling maps (Pollster (http://www.pollster.com/) & Electoral-vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com/)) are now showing Montana and North Dakota as dead heat battleground states. At only 3 EV each, it's not that big an impact, both both states were solid red states for a long time.

I don't see any indication from the top ten polling maps (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/10/election_08_top.php) that McCain's Pennsylvania strategy has a chance in hell of working. He should revert to the Dole strategy from 1996 and spend his campaign efforts on preventing a hemorrhage in the Senate, though I don't think his coattails are particularly long right now.

Stick a fork in it, John. You're done.

Red states stay red. That's my prediction.

Heh, I'm convinced! (http://www.funnyordie.com/jokes/601814047a) I change my vote-
Did you know?

Obama has never publicly stated that he is not a flesh vehicle for a team of tiny aliens

Obama has fallen asleep to the history channel, What secret Hitler dream messages now rule his subconscious?

Obama routinely hibernates from July 3rd to July 5th.

Obama refuses to talk about any instances in which he accidentally defecated in his pants. Are we to believe a human can go their entire lives without an urgent fecal mistake? America deserves the truth.

Obama does not know how to drive a monster truck.

Ask your self this, has Obama ever shaken your hand, looked you directly in the eye, and told you he's not a Muslim? Why not? Is he scared you'll know he's lying. If he's done this once, why hasn't he done it twice?

Obama hasn't taken the time to write any patriotic songs. Obama has written zero patriotic songs. Zero. No ditties either.

Obama's teeth, being made of enamel, or capable of crushing the windpipe of a smiling child. Yet, he chooses to keep them.

Obama wouldn't laugh at the jokes you like. They'd make him uncomfortable.

Obama has never bought Ronald Reagan a drink.

Red states stay red. That's my prediction.

I don't know....

What if the polls are leaning Obama? That's the thing. I still think that even the states such as Montana and North Dakota will still be McCain's. However... I am convinced the more McCain talks the worse things get for him in the polls He keeps talking about tax cuts etc... but... one cannot qualify for a tax cut if you've lost your job or two you've lost you business. Course the same could be said for Obama as well. You can't qualify for a tax cut if you've lost your job or your business.

I am figureing the economy is trumping everything and this is how I am rating the election, by the flow of the economy. Let's face it people are inheritantly greedy for money and when all of a sudden the party that's suppose to be for business gives you the deep six, they begin to think, maybe Obama isn't such a bad idea after all. Although this is just my theory.

Apparently volatility and taking the government system for granted runs in the McCain family:

Excerpts from Joe McCain 911, police calls (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iYKcrcTsMUFZQ84GiJh_vCjRINkgD941996G0)

Apparently volatility and taking the government system for granted runs in the McCain family:

Excerpts from Joe McCain 911, police calls (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iYKcrcTsMUFZQ84GiJh_vCjRINkgD941996G0)

Oh Gods.

And in the "SEXISM FROM TEH EBIL LIBRUL MEDIA" department...

Newt Gingrich: Sarah Palin SNL Skits "Slander," CNN Owes Palin Apology (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/newt-gingrich-sarah-palin_n_137330.html)

Notice this was the same Newty Gingrich who was awful quiet when SNL was panning him via Chris Farley, much less when Wayne and Garth cracked on Chelsea Clinton.

Go figure.

And in the "SEXISM FROM TEH EBIL LIBRUL MEDIA" department...

Newt Gingrich: Sarah Palin SNL Skits "Slander," CNN Owes Palin Apology (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/newt-gingrich-sarah-palin_n_137330.html)

Notice this was the same Newty Gingrich who was awful quiet when SNL was panning him via Chris Farley, much less when Wayne and Garth cracked on Chelsea Clinton.

Go figure.



Gingrich is an idiot who is just desperetly in need of attention ever since he lost his speaker of the house position.

And I will treat him like I treat all attention whores. Especially the stupid ones.

So...showing up and 'laughing with them' didn't work, so now the skits are 'slander worthy of a lawsuit?' Good grief. This scrambling around to find who to blame for the coming loss (nothing certain yet, I feel I have to include) is getting ridiculous. I'm just waiting for the finger of accusation to rotate around to the hard right religious base. Please oh please.

So...showing up and 'laughing with them' didn't work, so now the skits are 'slander worthy of a lawsuit?' Good grief. This scrambling around to find who to blame for the coming loss (nothing certain yet, I feel I have to include) is getting ridiculous. I'm just waiting for the finger of accusation to rotate around to the hard right religious base. Please oh please.



Yeah, their tactic so far seems to be "lets blame everyone but whos fault it actually is".

Yeah, their tactic so far seems to be "lets blame everyone but whos fault it actually is".

If McCain doesn't win I'm blaming you KoL...
:D

If McCain doesn't win I'm blaming you KoL...
:D

I wish I could be blamed for causing the McCain campaigns defeat. I really, really wish I could.

I wish I could be blamed for causing the McCain campaigns defeat. I really, really wish I could.

If they don't have to acknowledge reality why should I?
:p

If they don't have to acknowledge reality why should I?
:p

Good point.


Yes, I single handedly caused the defeat of the McCain campaign.



I also discovered fire, invented the wheel, and parted the red sea.

Good point.


Yes, I single handedly caused the defeat of the McCain campaign.



I also discovered fire, invented the wheel, and parted the red sea.

Charlton Heston? You're still alive?

Good point.


Yes, I single handedly caused the defeat of the McCain campaign.



I also discovered fire, invented the wheel, and parted the red sea.

Ah, but Al Gore invented the internet, so he's still more important than you...
;)

Ah, but Al Gore invented the internet, so he's still more important than you...
;)

I invented Al Gore.

Check and mate.

I invented Al Gore.

Check and mate.

As long as you don't suffer from hubris and claim to have invented Chuck Norris you'll go far.

I invented Al Gore.

Check and mate.

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Yeehaaaa Joe the plumber for congress!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Let's see he exaggerates his position and is a moron. He has the qualifications! ;)

Yeehaaaa Joe the plumber for congress!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Let's see he exaggerates his position and is a moron. He has the qualifications! ;)Wouldn't he have to run under his real name (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24511706-5012572,00.html), though?

Yeehaaaa Joe the plumber for congress!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Let's see he exaggerates his position and is a moron. He has the qualifications! ;)
Dude, I fucking called it-he's on his way to becoming Lonesome fucking Rhodes.

Yeehaaaa Joe the plumber for congress!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Let's see he exaggerates his position and is a moron. He has the qualifications! ;)

Oh Em Gee.

No way he'd succeed, with his skeletons.

I know part of this was posted earlier but....

After Joe the Plumber, Joe the Hothead? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/joe_mccain911)

Basically it talked about Joe McCain's 9-1-1 calls but I found this quote particularly intresting.

Joe McCain, speaking at an event in early October in support of his brother, called two Democratic-leaning areas in Northern Virginia "communist country."

I am sure the people of Northern Virginia love to be called commies. *sighs* Again more of this "Real America" BS.

The sad thing is, this David Goldman immigrant from England agrees with him:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-big-stone-gap-virginia.html

"Blah blah blah wait lines"

Yeah, the wait lines are long because EVERYONE can get care. They need to be improved, yeah, but the system is a lot better than what we here in the United States have, dippy.

Also: super mega lulz at the idea of any place in Virginia being "communist country." If anywhere in the U.S. could be conceivably called that, it'd be Vermont.

The sad thing is, this David Goldman immigrant from England agrees with him:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-big-stone-gap-virginia.html

"Blah blah blah wait lines"

Yeah, the wait lines are long because EVERYONE can get care. They need to be improved, yeah, but the system is a lot better than what we here in the United States have, dippy.

Also: super mega lulz at the idea of any place in Virginia being "communist country." If anywhere in the U.S. could be conceivably called that, it'd be Vermont.

Well we all know the Republicans have a poor record in Vermont. Remember that whole affair with the Republican senator in Vermont who ended up being offended by Bush. He was so mad, he became an independant. LOL

And laughing at the beginning of that rather intresting article.

I live in Vermont - the idealogies are pretty communist, but the wealth distribution certainly isn't. I wouldn't mind some of those rich liberals being forced to redistribute their illegitimate gains to poor conservatives like me.

P.S. Jeffords was never really a Republican, just a Democrat who needed to pretend to be Republican long enough to get RNC campaign financing and get into office. Things like that happen all the time in Vermont. For example, in the last election, Randy Brock was the clear winner for auditor - his Democratic challenger took it to court and they cajoled election officials to discard ballots cast for Brock until the Democrat had the majority.

One of many reasons why I will never vote Democratic for major offices, even though I'm registered as an Independent.

I live in Vermont - the idealogies are pretty communist, but the wealth distribution certainly isn't. I wouldn't mind some of those rich liberals being forced to redistribute their illegitimate gains to poor conservatives like me.

Re-read your post and tell me if it would earn from anyone anything more than a :rolleyes:.

You're both right.

Personally, what I think may happen is that the Republican party will split, and all of the non-crazies will break off and form a Conservative party. (What that might be called, I dunno...probably just Conservative, but it could be anything from New Whig to Log Cabin Republican to Progressive to anything under the sun.) The crazies will stand by the Republican party and make it a rather strong third-party foil to the Democrats and Conservatives for a long time to come.

In other words, it's going to basically be that for awhile we'll have two major parties and one minor party, rather than two parties and a bunch of ignorable parties.
I disapprove of political parties in and of themselves, on principle (in agreement with Washington on that), but if I can't have no parties, then by all means, let me have more than two. And at this point, a split-up of one of the major parties seems far more likely than that one of the current alternative parties will gain sufficient ground to matter. Of course, if the Reps split up to create a 3-party environment, then that would likely open the door of credibility to other groups.

This'll be interesting.
Introducing...the next President of the United States of America....
http://z.about.com/d/cleveland/1/0/g/6/-/-/ringling_bros_04.jpg
TA-DAAAHHH!!

I hope he sticks to what he's doing, so he can damage his party as much as possible. The more he does that, the more likely the split.
Indeed. Keep talking, John, it's working. ;)

I disapprove of political parties in and of themselves, on principle (in agreement with Washington on that), but if I can't have no parties, then by all means, let me have more than two. And at this point, a split-up of one of the major parties seems far more likely than that one of the current alternative parties will gain sufficient ground to matter. Of course, if the Reps split up to create a 3-party environment, then that would likely open the door of credibility to other groups.


Yes. I'm not the hugest fan of parties either, but mainly I just don't like the current superparties. I'd prefer a system of coalitions versus putting everyone under one tent, because that way, a much more diverse range of opinions could be expressed.

Sadly, our system discourages this. :(

I disapprove of political parties in and of themselves, on principle (in agreement with Washington on that), but if I can't have no parties, then by all means, let me have more than two. And at this point, a split-up of one of the major parties seems far more likely than that one of the current alternative parties will gain sufficient ground to matter. Of course, if the Reps split up to create a 3-party environment, then that would likely open the door of credibility to other groups.

No political system is perfect. In fact, this whole dirty politcal smear being run by both shows the flaws in our system. But... not about to throw it all out with the dishwater. I still believe that the American form of government, the constitution and the Bill of Rights were inspired documents. They highlight the ideas from the era of the Enlightenment. True, these ideas have their flaws, anything made by man always does, but, this just means were going to have to mend and repair the damage that has begun to show.

Even George Washington, America's first president had a dislike for political parties. But the way our (American) govenment is inheritantly run shows this perchant toward a two party system. Another party may appear out of the Republican party that will take it's place, but I believe that this is the natural evolution of government and someday the same may even happen to the Democrats as well.

I disapprove of political parties in and of themselves, on principle

don't know if M can see this, but as a general point i find the idea that we should do away with political parties while keeping electoral representative democracy utterly insane. for one thing, there is a huge information problem - i know next to nothing about most of the lower level candidates, and i'm a goddamned political junkie. party at least gives you some indication of who people are. getting rid of it just means elections are determined entirely by name recognition, who has the most personal friends, or random chance.

even worse, you can't actually get rid of them because they are highly beneficial to both candidates and representatives. they allow people better chances of getting elected due to their organizational and financial benefits, and enable people to more effectively enact their goals once in power.

if you didn't allow them to use their party affiliation on ballots, the parties would still exist, they would just be kept out of the official paperwork (see nebraska's state legislature). and if you banned them entirely, they would just appear in whatever form of coalition the law didn't specifically outlaw. any group that formed such a coalition would have a competitive advantage over the individuals who did not, and would thus dominate in elections and once in power.

if you are serious about opposing political parties, you need to undermine both their organizational advantages (so jury-duty style 'elections' or some such) and the majoritarian idea of winning in favor of something more consensus-based. and even that wouldn't do it, since there would still be organizational advantages to working together outside of the official process and people really do form distinct ideological clusters.

I live in Vermont - the idealogies are pretty communist, but the wealth distribution certainly isn't. I wouldn't mind some of those rich liberals being forced to redistribute their illegitimate gains to poor conservatives like me.

P.S. Jeffords was never really a Republican, just a Democrat who needed to pretend to be Republican long enough to get RNC campaign financing and get into office. Things like that happen all the time in Vermont. For example, in the last election, Randy Brock was the clear winner for auditor - his Democratic challenger took it to court and they cajoled election officials to discard ballots cast for Brock until the Democrat had the majority.

One of many reasons why I will never vote Democratic for major offices, even though I'm registered as an Independent.

If you don't know what a big word means, it is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

You say 'communist'. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I can't wait for Palin to be president. She's filled with the holy spirit and will bring integrity and godliness to America. :)

The sad thing is, this David Goldman immigrant from England agrees with him:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-big-stone-gap-virginia.html

"Blah blah blah wait lines"

Yeah, the wait lines are long because EVERYONE can get care. They need to be improved, yeah, but the system is a lot better than what we here in the United States have, dippy.

Also: super mega lulz at the idea of any place in Virginia being "communist country." If anywhere in the U.S. could be conceivably called that, it'd be Vermont.

Yeah, the English guy they interviewed is an idiot.

Long wait line, yeah... expensive medical treatment? Although, actually - I've never had to wait more than a couple of hours to see a NHS doctor (I've waited longer to see private doctors over here) so the guy is full of shit.

Also - funny that he derides the socialistic intent he claims he sees in Obama... but works the campaign for free, and even pays his own expenses to get there...

I can't wait for Palin to be president. She's filled with the holy spirit and will bring integrity and godliness to America. :)

she's filled with something, that's for sure...

I can't wait for Palin to be president. She's filled with the holy spirit and will bring integrity and godliness to America. :)

I like you. You're funny.

I like you. You're funny.

420 smoke a blunt killa bees forever

don't know if M can see this, but as a general point i find the idea that we should do away with political parties while keeping electoral representative democracy utterly insane.
I can see it, because I haven't gotten around to putting you on ignore yet. Thanks for the reminder.

See, the reason I hate discussing things with you is because you try to use me to prop up arguments that you apparently would like to have even though they have absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

I said I don't like political parties. Did I say anything at all about doing away with them? No, I didn't. Quite the opposite, in fact. Yet you still decide to use MY remarks as the reference for your argument against something I never said. You stil decide to attach my name to an idea you call "insane," ignoring that I never suggested anything even remotely like it. You don't even have the common courtesy to acknowledge that I didn't actually make the argument you are criticizing. That's a really obnoxious habit on your part.

Next time you want to introduce an entirely new sub-topic of your own, kindly do it ON YOUR OWN, instead of trying to relate it to me in some vague way.

In other words, leave me out of your personal interests. Do not refer to my name, quote my posts, or in any way refer to me if I never said the thing you are talking about. Thanks. 'Bye.

*goes and updates ignore list now*

I can see it, because I haven't gotten around to putting you on ignore yet. Thanks for the reminder.

no problem

in any case, i fail to see what is wrong with using comments that say
"I disapprove of political parties in and of themselves, on principle (in agreement with Washington on that), but if I can't have no parties..."
as a jumping off point for discussing why parties are a positive (and inevitable) force given the system we have and hinting at ways towards actually minimizing their importance, regardless of who makes them.

no problem

in any case, i fail to see what is wrong with using comments that say
"I disapprove of political parties in and of themselves, on principle (in agreement with Washington on that), but if I can't have no parties..."
as a jumping off point for discussing why parties are a positive (and inevitable) force given the system we have and hinting at ways towards actually minimizing their importance, regardless of who makes them.
I know you don't see what's wrong with using me as a prop for a bad argument I never made. That's why there is no hope that you will ever stop being obnoxiously rude in that way, and that's why I'm putting you on ignore.

420 smoke a blunt killa bees forever

Tantarabobs. How's your granny off for soap? Tuppence more and up goes the donkey!

I know you don't see what's wrong with using me as a prop for a bad argument I never made. That's why there is no hope that you will ever stop being obnoxiously rude in that way, and that's why I'm putting you on ignore.

indeed

raw animal magnetism, i tells ya

Yeehaaaa Joe the plumber for congress!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Let's see he exaggerates his position and is a moron. He has the qualifications! ;)

Far more interesting from this link are these two:

ALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico (CNN) – With 10 days to go until election day, long brewing tension between Sarah Palin and key aides to John McCain has become so intense, it is spilling out into the public.

Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin “going rogue” recently, while a Palin associate says she is simply trying to “bust free” of what she believes was a mishandled roll-out that damaged her.

McCain sources point several incidents where Palin has gone off message, and privately wonder if they were deliberate. For example: labeling robo calls “irritating,” even as the campaign was defending the use of them and telling reporters she disagreed with the campaigns controversial decision to pull out of Michigan.

A second McCain source tells CNN she appears to now be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

“She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone,” said this McCain adviser, “she does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else. Also she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: divas trust only unto themselves as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom.”

A Palin associate defended her by saying she is “not good at process questions” and that her comments on Michigan and the robo calls were answers to process questions.

But this Palin source acknowledged that she clearly is trying to take more control of her own message, pointing to last week’s impromptu press conference on a Colorado tarmac.




The ticket is imploding.


Oh, and this:
SIOUX CITY, Iowa (CNN) — Campaigning Saturday in Iowa, a state where polls show Barack Obama enjoying a healthy lead just 10 days before the election, Sarah Palin warned that putting Obama in the White House along with Democrats running both chambers of Congress will turn the country into a nanny state.

Palin cautioned Iowans that under Obama’s “big government agenda,” their income, property and investments would be “shared with everybody else.” She labeled Obama’s plan to provide tax credits to lower and middle-income wage-earners “the philosophy of government taking more, which is a misuse of the power to tax.”

“It leads to government moving into the role of taking care of you, and government and politicians and, kind of moving in as the other half of your family to make decisions for you,” she said. “Now they do this in other countries where the people are not free. Government as part of the family, taking care of us, making decisions for us. I don’t know what to think of having in my family Uncle Barney Frank or others to make decisions for me.”

With audience members shouting “socialist!” throughout her speech, the Alaska governor said that time is running out for Americans to realize the danger of a having a Democrat in the White House.



Bolded. Sorry Europe, looks like you arent free.

Bolded. Sorry Europe, looks like you arent free.

Of course. They hate freedom remember?

http://technoman.org/agent_smith_2.jpg

"We are not here because we are free. In fact, we are here because we are not free."

A second McCain source tells CNN she appears to now be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

“She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone,” said this McCain adviser, “she does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else. Also she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: divas trust only unto themselves as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom.”

Such a surprise. What exactly did they think would happen when they asked some unknown governor who had not long before still been a small town mayor if she wanted to be vice-president and she said yes?

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Such a surprise. What exactly did they think would happen when they asked some unknown governor who had not long before still been a small town mayor if she wanted to be vice-president and she said yes?

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

I'm sure she knows exactly what she is doing. He poli-sci professor in community college told her she was a natural. ;)

Such a surprise. What exactly did they think would happen when they asked some unknown governor who had not long before still been a small town mayor if she wanted to be vice-president and she said yes?

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Especially considering her past of abusing her power.


I just look foward to her running against someone, even in the primaries, who is not as nice as Obama. She'll get eaten alive.


Troopergate, her $150K makeover, and all her idiot comments from her various interviews, plus all the McCain campaigns current comments about her being a diva, will be spammed all over the press.


It will be epic.

Far more interesting from this link are these two:




The ticket is imploding.


Oh, and this:



Bolded. Sorry Europe, looks like you arent free.

And I see the angry rhetoric from the crowds at McCain/Palin rallies continues. :mad: I'm really fearful for Obama's safety. Mark my words: one of the nutjobs that frequent their rallies is going to take a shot at Obama. I'm surprised they haven't tried already. I'm going to spend the next four to eight years worried about this.

Mark my words: one of the nutjobs that frequent their rallies is going to take a shot at Obama.

Not to put to fine a point on it, but this isn't something exclusive to Obama. Every president faces credible, legitimate assassination attempts. W and Clinton both had two apiece.

Not to put to fine a point on it, but this isn't something exclusive to Obama. Every president faces credible, legitimate assassination attempts. W and Clinton both had two apiece.

I still fear that Obama will face a higher than normal risk, especially with the McCain campaign deliberately stirring up racial hatred.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html

This is the end, my friends, my only friend, the end.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html

This is the end, my friends, my only friend, the end.

I already touched on this;)

Obviously, McCain is losing the election. That means McCain is not carrying out the will of God. That means Bible Spice must either get around him or get rid of him to help God "make a way" to put her in the White House.

Seriously, if by some bizarre circumstance, McCain were to win the election, he had better keep an all-night armed security detail stationed around his bed every night, or that power-hungry lunatic will smother him in his sleep so she can take over for the Lord.

The future of this nation is looking grim sadly, it seems we never have any good choices in the elections anymore, This party system is absolutely ridiculus, and President after president lately has been turning this nation into a giant pile of shit.

So, in my humble opinion:

McCain - Sucks

Obama - Sucks

I'm likely to vote Bob Barr, or Write in Ron Paul.

Or both.

It seems everything is always divided and stupid, which is why i almost always take interest in the Independent candidates.

Just my humble libertarian opinion.

Obviously, McCain is losing the election. That means McCain is not carrying out the will of God. That means Bible Spice must either get around him or get rid of him to help God "make a way" to put her in the White House.

Seriously, if by some bizarre circumstance, McCain were to win the election, he had better keep an all-night armed security detail stationed around his bed every night, or that power-hungry lunatic will smother him in his sleep so she can take over for the Lord.

What would armed security do? Palin would just have God remove McCain for her. They're real tight, you know.

What would armed security do? Palin would just have God remove McCain for her. They're real tight, you know.
I was just envisioning God putting the pillow into her hands and miraculously causing McCain's bedroom door to be unlocked. God makes miracles out of everyday life, you know. ;)

I've also heard that he helps those who help themselves.

Has this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/26/uselections2008-republicans) been mentioned yet?
If so, I apologize.
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What would armed security do? Palin would just have God remove McCain for her. They're real tight, you know. Sarah Palin, reaffirming my Atheistic tendencies every day. :p

I have to say, honestly, that I don't really believe that's true. I think the most radical of the American right wing are fundamentally opposed to the principles on which our nation was founded, especially social egalitarianism, secular government, and the rule of law. I believe their only idea of how to make this country better is to destroy it and replace it with a completely different kind of country. Their vision is a country I do not want to live in. I consider myself a revolutionary in the sense of an American Revolution-ary, and I have to say I do look at people like Sarah Palin and Michele Bachman as "counter-revolutionary." They are opposed to everything I was raised to believe was right and American. I view them as the enemies of my nation. I do not believe they have the best interests of the nation at heart, only their own interests. They sure as hell don't have MY best interests at heart.

And it is unfortunate that people like these have so poisoned the Republican party that I see no good course for the US that does not end in removing the Republicans from higher office altogether.

By the way, I used to be a mixed-ticket voter. I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats in my voting lifetime. Not anymore. I see the Republican party as corrupted by dangerous extremists, and I will do whatever is in my power (admittedly not much) to break them.
Viva la revolution....or should I say Sieg Heil?

Viva la revolution....or should I say Sieg Heil?

*gasp* You're alive!

I was sure you'd fallen into a ditch or something...

The future of this nation is looking grim sadly, it seems we never have any good choices in the elections anymore, This party system is absolutely ridiculus, and President after president lately has been turning this nation into a giant pile of shit.

So, in my humble opinion:

McCain - Sucks

Obama - Sucks

I'm likely to vote Bob Barr, or Write in Ron Paul.

Or both.

It seems everything is always divided and stupid, which is why i almost always take interest in the Independent candidates.

Just my humble libertarian opinion.
you cant vote for 2 people.

you cant vote for 2 people.

Well, he CAN, but he'll end up with an invalid ballot that has been scribbled on. And he'll have committed or attempted the most useless voter fraud ever known to man.

Has this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/26/uselections2008-republicans) been mentioned yet?
If so, I apologize.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I was reading this and thinking "Why, what an interesting article" - and then this:

Ready or not, Palin is still likely to be one of the most dominant forces in Republican politics after the election. Unlike McCain, she draws thousands to her rallies. She has developed a genuinely enthusiastic following among activists who are dedicated to her cause. Already there is speculation that Palin, if McCain loses in November, will be the hottest pick for the nomination in 2012.

He really thinks she'll stick around?! Not only stick around but actually play a big role?!

I literally had to stop reading because that possibility is way, way, way, way, way too horrible to contemplate.

http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-ahhh1gv.gif

He really thinks she'll stick around?! Not only stick around but actually play a big role?!Did you get to the part where it said that the Republican party would begin to shift farther to the right as time goes along? Eliminating the Moderate Republicans, and allowing for the extreme right to take complete control of the party? :(
It makes me sad.

If we threw the two of you in a pit with a knife, would the rest of us be able to have a conversation?

Did you get to the part where it said that the Republican party would begin to shift farther to the right as time goes along? Eliminating the Moderate Republicans, and allowing for the extreme right to take complete control of the party? :(
It makes me sad.
Doesn't make me sad at all. The moderates will join the Democrats or go independent or whatever, I couldn't care less what happens to the crazy remainder of the Republican party. << (I'm not American, so there's no nostalgia for "the Republicans as we knew them" or anything like that). The only thing that makes me sad in that scenario is the spectre of the conservative backlash that seems almost sure to follow.

If we threw the two of you in a pit with a knife, would the rest of us be able to have a conversation?

No, because one of them would win, and come back to tell us ALLLL about it...

doesn't make me sad at all. The moderates will join the democrats or go independent or whatever, i couldn't care less what happens to the crazy remainder of the republican party. << (i'm not american, so there's no nostalgia for "the republicans as we knew them" or anything like that). The only thing that makes me sad in that scenario is the spectre of the conservative backlash that seems almost sure to follow.Okay. :)

The capitalization allowance on this forum is weird. -_-
"OK" is grammatically correct. "ok" is not. -_-

Did you get to the part where it said that the Republican party would begin to shift farther to the right as time goes along? Eliminating the Moderate Republicans, and allowing for the extreme right to take complete control of the party? :(
It makes me sad.

Well, it's one of two things that were going to be a result, and hopefully one of the things that will lead to what's needed. I've said this before much much earlier, but the Republicans need to lose this whoever they put up because of Harriet Mayers. She was shot down for the Supreme Court not by an opposition party, but from the Republicans themselves because she she wasn't fundie enough-that was a sad indication of how much hold that wing of the party has. So they have to lose, and the fundies have to be the reason they lose, if it was picking 'their' candidate or not supporting one who didn't cater to them.

The two outcomes would be, "We didn't cater to them enough," so they abandon any hopes of even the near center in a giant apology to them and get creamed again or realize that pandering to them has cost them any seat in power so they shuck them like an old coat and become a reasonable opposition party again.

Because it's not like I want mono-rule any more than I'm a fan of this quasi-binary system we have. But I want a reasoned discussion, and with the people who now pull the strings on the (R) side of it, that's not happening.

A recent survey showed Obama and McCain in a virtual dead heat among born-again Christians, with support for McCain running at 45 per cent and Obama on 43 per cent. In 2004, Bush won 62 per cent of that vote. 'If Obama goes on to win, one of the significant stories will be the profile of the faith vote ... the Democrats are poised to make up significant ground among born again and evangelical voters,' said David Kinnaman, president of the evangelical research group that carried out the poll.

Please tell me this is true. It would make me happy for the first time in a very long time.

No, because one of them would win, and come back to tell us ALLLL about it...

Well, obviously we'd take the ladder with us...

Doesn't make me sad at all. The moderates will join the Democrats or go independent or whatever, I couldn't care less what happens to the crazy remainder of the Republican party. << (I'm not American, so there's no nostalgia for "the Republicans as we knew them" or anything like that). The only thing that makes me sad in that scenario is the spectre of the conservative backlash that seems almost sure to follow.

Heh....yea my Dad's been Republican for most of his life, then Bush came along and he changed parties. Not really a big surprize as he was starting to trend more Democrat over the years.

But he has said, I didn't leave the party, it left me...

And I think this is what will happen to the more moderate Republicans. They will either join with the Democrats or form another party.

Please tell me this is true. It would make me happy for the first time in a very long time.

Yeah, that surprised me, too. I always thought liberal Evangelicals were about as common as a chicken with teeth.

Heh....yea my Dad's been Republican for most of his life, then Bush came along and he changed parties. Not really a big surprize as he was starting to trend more Democrat over the years.

But he has said, I didn't leave the party, it left me...

And I think this is what will happen to the more moderate Republicans. They will either join with the Democrats or form another party.

I don't know about the forming a new party thing, really.

I saw a lot of this when Bush II was elected and again after the 2004 loss, that the Democratic Party was dead etc. The Republican party won't be 'dead,' they'll even likely inch their way back into power, or at least significance, in a few election cycles. There will be a shift in who they hitch themselves to, much in the same way the Democratic Party restructured itself.

I don't know about the forming a new party thing, really.

It's only a guess of what will happen. One or the other. I was reading the article about some of these voting Republican and they seem to be so itchy on the Republican trigger, they are neglecting more important things like the economy.

Well, it's one of two things that were going to be a result, and hopefully one of the things that will lead to what's needed. I've said this before much much earlier, but the Republicans need to lose this whoever they put up because of Harriet Mayers. She was shot down for the Supreme Court not by an opposition party, but from the Republicans themselves because she she wasn't fundie enough-that was a sad indication of how much hold that wing of the party has. So they have to lose, and the fundies have to be the reason they lose, if it was picking 'their' candidate or not supporting one who didn't cater to them.

The two outcomes would be, "We didn't cater to them enough," so they abandon any hopes of even the near center in a giant apology to them and get creamed again or realize that pandering to them has cost them any seat in power so they shuck them like an old coat and become a reasonable opposition party again.

Because it's not like I want mono-rule any more than I'm a fan of this quasi-binary system we have. But I want a reasoned discussion, and with the people who now pull the strings on the (R) side of it, that's not happening.Maybe a return to the Whig party?
Every time I say that, it makes me laugh. :)

Did you get to the part where it said that the Republican party would begin to shift farther to the right as time goes along? Eliminating the Moderate Republicans, and allowing for the extreme right to take complete control of the party? :(
It makes me sad.

Haven't they done that already?

Maybe a return to the Whig party?
Every time I say that, it makes me laugh. :)

They did have one of the better names in our political history.

They did have one of the better names in our political history.I know.

Haven't they done that already?I guess so.
(Did anybody imagine me sounding like a chastised Gir saying that? Funny.)

I tried to go to the Las Vegas Obama rally today. And that was sort of a bust. My folks went with me, and as they are a bit 'long in the tooth' they needed a place to sit. Well we went to one of the organizers to request a seat on the bleachers and she was downright rude. She said they needed a ticket, a blue or orange, or brown ticket, which we didn't have. My father has a bad back, and my mom has had knee surgury. When they mentioned that, she said they needed a handicapped thingy from the doctor stating that they were handicapped. Now not all older people are considered 'handicapped', or want to be considerd it either. Too stuborn. Anyway they forced us on the grassy area and after awhile we just left. Three hours on a grassy field waiting for Obama was just too much. I did really want to see and hear the man I've voted for. But I am not mad at Obama at this, I am mad at the organizers who decided to play favorites with the seating, when there was plenty of room for everyone.

I still fear that Obama will face a higher than normal risk, especially with the McCain campaign deliberately stirring up racial hatred.

They already had a group planning an assassintation... in Ohio, I think.

They already had a group planning an assassintation... in Ohio, I think.

Colorado...

I tried to go to the Las Vegas Obama rally today. And that was sort of a bust. My folks went with me, and as they are a bit 'long in the tooth' they needed a place to sit. Well we went to one of the organizers to request a seat on the bleachers and she was downright rude. She said they needed a ticket, a blue or orange, or brown ticket, which we didn't have. My father has a bad back, and my mom has had knee surgury. When they mentioned that, she said they needed a handicapped thingy from the doctor stating that they were handicapped. Now not all older people are considered 'handicapped', or want to be considerd it either. Too stuborn. Anyway they forced us on the grassy area and after awhile we just left. Three hours on a grassy field waiting for Obama was just too much. I did really want to see and hear the man I've voted for. But I am not mad at Obama at this, I am mad at the organizers who decided to play favorites with the seating, when there was plenty of room for everyone.

I have a theory about that. It takes as 'true' that absolute power corrupts, absolutely. What isn't accounted for in that, and this is my theory, that everyone has in them an 'absolute power' threshold, some trigger in them that lets them know when they've achieved the most absolute power they're ever going to achieve, and that's when they go nuts. That's when you see the fast food manager being a total tyrant and dick-it's because he's hit his threshold.

That person that wouldn't let you through, they were just given that one task-no one through without this ticket. Of course people are going to scam their way through-the choice is to be a stonewall or to judge each one individually. Sometimes, it's just easier for you to be a dick, I've been on the other end where you're just inflexible because it gets you through and what are they going to do anyway? But I ultimately discovered it's just as easy to be flexible if you do it right and no one calls you an asshole.

Colorado...

That might be it. They were going to hide a gun in a camera... something like that.

I have a theory about that. It takes as 'true' that absolute power corrupts, absolutely. What isn't accounted for in that, and this is my theory, that everyone has in them an 'absolute power' threshold, some trigger in them that lets them know when they've achieved the most absolute power they're ever going to achieve, and that's when they go nuts. That's when you see the fast food manager being a total tyrant and dick-it's because he's hit his threshold.

That person that wouldn't let you through, they were just given that one task-no one through without this ticket. Of course people are going to scam their way through-the choice is to be a stonewall or to judge each one individually. Sometimes, it's just easier for you to be a dick, I've been on the other end where you're just inflexible because it gets you through and what are they going to do anyway? But I ultimately discovered it's just as easy to be flexible if you do it right and no one calls you an asshole.

I really don't look at it that way. I just think that the organization of the Democratic organizers in Vegas are the most disorganized bunch that exists. They could have been a lot more organized and they weren't. This is the same bunch that ended up kicking people out of the caucus earlier this year, because someone hadn't counted on record turnout, and they had to move the cacaus to another site, because the one they had earlier wouldn't hold the people that showed up. They really are not that bright.

I tried to go to the Las Vegas Obama rally today. And that was sort of a bust. My folks went with me, and as they are a bit 'long in the tooth' they needed a place to sit. Well we went to one of the organizers to request a seat on the bleachers and she was downright rude. She said they needed a ticket, a blue or orange, or brown ticket, which we didn't have. My father has a bad back, and my mom has had knee surgury. When they mentioned that, she said they needed a handicapped thingy from the doctor stating that they were handicapped. Now not all older people are considered 'handicapped', or want to be considerd it either. Too stuborn. Anyway they forced us on the grassy area and after awhile we just left. Three hours on a grassy field waiting for Obama was just too much. I did really want to see and hear the man I've voted for. But I am not mad at Obama at this, I am mad at the organizers who decided to play favorites with the seating, when there was plenty of room for everyone.

How dickish.

I'm going to go to the rally tomorrow in Denver. Hopefully my sister and I won't experience the same difficulties.

The future of this nation is looking grim sadly, it seems we never have any good choices in the elections anymore, This party system is absolutely ridiculus, and President after president lately has been turning this nation into a giant pile of shit.

So, in my humble opinion:

McCain - Sucks

Obama - Sucks

I'm likely to vote Bob Barr, or Write in Ron Paul.

Or both.

It seems everything is always divided and stupid, which is why i almost always take interest in the Independent candidates.

Just my humble libertarian opinion.


Wait, your taking about terrible candidates yet are going to vote for Barr?

Wait, your taking about terrible candidates yet are going to vote for Barr?

Barr isn't even a good Libertarian. You'd think they'd be a little more conscious about their own candidate given how they have the super secret knowledge of how bad the Republicans and the democrats are.

Barr isn't even a good Libertarian. You'd think they'd be a little more conscious about their own candidate given how they have the super secret knowledge of how bad the Republicans and the democrats are.

Agreed. Libertarians I can at least respect as having the same social politics as me, but I have nothing but contempt for Bob Barr.

Agreed. Libertarians I can at least respect as having the same social politics as me, but I have nothing but contempt for Bob Barr.At least he isn't like Chuck Baldwin! :p
That's gotta be a plus, right?

Just my humble libertarian opinion.

I have yet to meet a libertarian with a humble opinion, so you must be the first.

*sighs* Chances a third party canidate gets elected, sadly very rarely at all and that's all I am saying. I don't want to offend the independant and libetarians out there.

I just don't think any canidate is going to be able to fix this mess. No matter who is elected. I think, the better shot is with Obama though, even though I am highly pessimistic about the whole thing. I am throughly convinced that the government isn't telling the 'whole' truth about the fincial crises or they are in denial about the whole thing. They can't accept the fact that things are really this bad. I think the US is going to be in for some very hard times ahead no matter who gets the presidency. And another thing is, who would want to be president during this time? I sure wouldn't want to be that person.

*sighs* Chances a third party canidate gets elected, sadly very rarely at all and that's all I am saying. I don't want to offend the independant and libetarians out there.

I just don't think any canidate is going to be able to fix this mess. No matter who is elected. I think, the better shot is with Obama though, even though I am highly pessimistic about the whole thing. I am throughly convinced that the government isn't telling the 'whole' truth about the fincial crises or they are in denial about the whole thing. They can't accept the fact that things are really this bad. I think the US is going to be in for some very hard times ahead no matter who gets the presidency. And another thing is, who would want to be president during this time? I sure wouldn't want to be that person.
The economic crisis has been 25 years in the making, at least. No one person/group, even if they are in the White House is going to fix it. Also, they don't need to tell the whole truth about it -- it tells its own truth all by itself, day by day.

The one thing a president can do in response to it is initiate policies that might help alleviate the effects of the crisis for many people, not make them worse most people. For that reason I am voting for Obama.

The economy aside -- because, to my mind, it has reached natural disaster proportions -- there are a whole boatload of things that the Bush administration did screw up all by itself, and which I expect the next adminstration to do something about -- at least initiate the process of fixing them. There are too many to list, but chief among them are the two totally fubar wars, the fubar Justice Department, and of course GITMO and the treatment of detainees. I want to see change on lots of things, but if I see no change on those I will be an unhappy camper.

For this reason also, I am voting for Obama. The policies he has outlined are not only different from what we have now, they also sound like good ideas on their own. McCain's policies are nothing but the same shit being pushed with a different shovel.

(By the way, I do not expect the wars to be sorted out any time very soon, but the JD can be fixed immediately by the president upon taking office, and the GITMO deal can be fixed soon after -- and they had damned well better be.)

both john mccain and barack obama were in albuquerque yesterday

mccain drew a crowd of 1500

obama drew a crowd of 45,000

both john mccain and barack obama were in albuquerque yesterday

mccain drew a crowd of 1500

obama drew a crowd of 45,000
So sad.

But as the RNC explain on the subject of voter registration, it doesn't matter if you only get 12 votes, as long as they're the right 12.

:rolleyes:

9 days, bitches. I thought I heard from pundits, from posters, from about half of everyone that Obama was supposed to lose momentum and that people would get less excited?

Months of a steady and substantial lead is going to dissipate this week? Possibly, but I have to say, all signs point to no.

So sad.

But as the RNC explain on the subject of voter registration, it doesn't matter if you only get 12 votes, as long as they're the right 12.

:rolleyes:

Democrats even register Republicans. That's just crazy.

9 days, bitches. I thought I heard from pundits, from posters, from about half of everyone that Obama was supposed to lose momentum and that people would get less excited?

Months of a steady and substantial lead is going to dissipate this week? Possibly, but I have to say, all signs point to no.

I saw on Fox last night one of their talking heads lamenting how Obama was the most dishonest man to ever make it this close to presidency.

I saw on Fox last night one of their talking heads lamenting how Obama was the most dishonest man to ever make it this close to presidency.
WHAT!!!??? Wow, that's some kind of nerve.

So sad.

But as the RNC explain on the subject of voter registration, it doesn't matter if you only get 12 votes, as long as they're the right 12.

:rolleyes:
they are going to have to throw out many many boxes of ballots then.

I saw on Fox last night one of their talking heads lamenting how Obama was the most dishonest man to ever make it this close to presidency.
its politics as usual but that crap really bugs me.

there are plenty of reason not to vote for obama that are grounded in reality. why do they have to push lies?

my husband's cousin sent my mother in law an email claiming that obama hates the national anthem and is planning to replace it with something else. my mother in law is a fairly unsophisticated 78 year old. she isnt in a position to figure out what is crap and what isnt (i told her it was a lie and that even if it were true the president cant change the national anthem on his own. she was doubtful that i was right) why cant they just stick to the "untried newbie" theme and leave it at that? why does it have to be outrageous lies?

its politics as usual but that crap really bugs me.

there are plenty of reason not to vote for obama that are grounded in reality. why do they have to push lies?

my husband's cousin sent my mother in law an email claiming that obama hates the national anthem and is planning to replace it with something else. my mother in law is a fairly unsophisticated 78 year old. she isnt in a position to figure out what is crap and what isnt (i told her it was a lie and that even if it were true the president cant change the national anthem on his own. she was doubtful that i was right) why cant they just stick to the "untried newbie" theme and leave it at that? why does it have to be outrageous lies?
It's true. He's going to change it to "Shaft."

its politics as usual but that crap really bugs me.

there are plenty of reason not to vote for obama that are grounded in reality. why do they have to push lies?

my husband's cousin sent my mother in law an email claiming that obama hates the national anthem and is planning to replace it with something else. my mother in law is a fairly unsophisticated 78 year old. she isnt in a position to figure out what is crap and what isnt (i told her it was a lie and that even if it were true the president cant change the national anthem on his own. she was doubtful that i was right) why cant they just stick to the "untried newbie" theme and leave it at that? why does it have to be outrageous lies?

Because people actually want what Obama is offering. Telling people the truth gets people to vote for Obama, so they hope that xenophobia will make people believe the ridiculous lies they're offering.

its politics as usual but that crap really bugs me.

there are plenty of reason not to vote for obama that are grounded in reality. why do they have to push lies?

my husband's cousin sent my mother in law an email claiming that obama hates the national anthem and is planning to replace it with something else. my mother in law is a fairly unsophisticated 78 year old. she isnt in a position to figure out what is crap and what isnt (i told her it was a lie and that even if it were true the president cant change the national anthem on his own. she was doubtful that i was right) why cant they just stick to the "untried newbie" theme and leave it at that? why does it have to be outrageous lies?

The problem, I think, is that the "untried newbie" isn't really sticking that well, because Obama seems so intelligent, like he knows what he's talking about; John McCain, on the other hand, doesn't. So while John McCain may have been around a while, he doesn't seem to have learned much from it compared to what Obama's learned from his shorter experience.

Because people actually want what Obama is offering. Telling people the truth gets people to vote for Obama, so they hope that xenophobia will make people believe the ridiculous lies they're offering.
youre probably right.

i had the opportunity to listen to sean hannity rant about obama and his european socialism recently. he discussed the horrors of free health care and subsidized day care for children.

not that i recall obama pushing govt sponsored day care but geee the shit hannity was saying sounded pretty damned good to me.

The problem, I think, is that the "untried newbie" isn't really sticking that well, because Obama seems so intelligent, like he knows what he's talking about; John McCain, on the other hand, doesn't. So while John McCain may have been around a while, he doesn't seem to have learned much from it compared to what Obama's learned from his shorter experience.
yeah i know but its kinda wrong to spread horrible lies about the man who is going to be the next president of everyone in the US. we need to work together not be scared that the president is going to make us all moslem any day now.

yeah i know but its kinda wrong to spread horrible lies about the man who is going to be the next president of everyone in the US. we need to work together not be scared that the president is going to make us all moslem any day now.

Oh, certainly. I very much wish that they wouldn't do it. But I can see why they are.

yeah i know but its kinda wrong to spread horrible lies about the man who is going to be the next president of everyone in the US. we need to work together not be scared that the president is going to make us all moslem any day now.Huh. So, Obama's going to abolish the Constitution?
That's ridiculous.

Huh. So, Obama's going to abolish the Constitution?
That's ridiculous.
i didnt read the email but i was exaggerating. im pretty sure it was the one where he hates the national anthem and refuses to say the pledge of allegiance and his wife is a life long flag burner (or something)

i checked snopes later to see what one it probably was since she said it included an actual statement by obama verifying that this was indeed his position.

i dont care that my brother sends my sister this kind of crap. she can sort out the wheat from the chaff. but it pisses me off that anyone would send such things to my mother in law who really isnt in a position to make critical judgements on things she gets on her computer. i already took her into town to early vote so its not like this shit is going to do anything but upset her.

Democrats even register Republicans. That's just crazy.

Why do democrats hate freedom?

Colorado...

True enough. And if I recall, local authorities downplayed it but the Secret Service and/or FBI had wanted it taken more seriously. Does anyone know if that's the case?

i didnt read the email but i was exaggerating. im pretty sure it was the one where he hates the national anthem and refuses to say the pledge of allegiance and his wife is a life long flag burner (or something)

i checked snopes later to see what one it probably was since she said it included an actual statement by obama verifying that this was indeed his position.

i dont care that my brother sends my sister this kind of crap. she can sort out the wheat from the chaff. but it pisses me off that anyone would send such things to my mother in law who really isnt in a position to make critical judgements on things she gets on her computer. i already took her into town to early vote so its not like this shit is going to do anything but upset her.

Can I ask, just hypothetically, what's wrong with not liking the Anthem? It's a British drinking song (Google "To Anacreon in Heav'n"), and it's not particularly beautiful. Its context is what has elevated it to such a sacred place in (US) music. And the Pledge? Early propaganda later augmented by the Red Scare in 1954. I don't like the song at all. It's ungainly to harmonize, too rangy for the average untrained singer, and most folks who try to sing it seem to forget that they need to take "say" of "oh say can you see" as the lowest note when figuring out what pitch to start from.

As a poem, Key's work is very representational and serves as a fine source of patriotic inspiration. It's a bit clunky grammatically, as 3/4 of the whole first stanza is one long run-on sentence. But that's poetry, and it's fine by me.

Now, having said all that, I still respect that the vast majority feel very strongly about the Anthem, the Pledge, the Flag, and all of it. In public, I acknowledge that respect by going along to get along. I remove my hat (I still don't understand why, but I do) and I remain respectful until the patriotic ordeal is over. It's not an imposition. I simply omit "under God" in the Pledge, and I take no stand on the burning of the flag (though when pressed, I'll tend to quote a lot of Penn & Teller on the subject).

I just wonder, along with guys like Douglas Adams, why impartial and frank inquiry into things like patriotism and religion is so chastised by so many. People ask me how I can put so much faith in science and not into religion or my country, and I say it's because science encourages unflinching examination of the facts at hand, and for some reason, the same gaze applied to religion or patriotism is EVIL AND WRONG. Well screw that. I don't like the Anthem either, and I like the Pledge even less.

Yet, I am still a proud American. I thank those who've served in the armed forces for doing things I'd either stink at or not have the stomach for (conformity and killing being chief among them). I love my country, but I think it's time we start seeing other people.

Can I ask, just hypothetically, what's wrong with not liking the Anthem? It's a British drinking song (Google "To Anacreon in Heav'n"), and it's not particularly beautiful. Its context is what has elevated it to such a sacred place in (US) music. And the Pledge? Early propaganda later augmented by the Red Scare in 1954. I don't like the song at all. It's ungainly to harmonize, too rangy for the average untrained singer, and most folks who try to sing it seem to forget that they need to take "say" of "oh say can you see" as the lowest note when figuring out what pitch to start from.

As a poem, Key's work is very representational and serves as a fine source of patriotic inspiration. It's a bit clunky grammatically, as 3/4 of the whole first stanza is one long run-on sentence. But that's poetry, and it's fine by me.

Now, having said all that, I still respect that the vast majority feel very strongly about the Anthem, the Pledge, the Flag, and all of it. In public, I acknowledge that respect by going along to get along. I remove my hat (I still don't understand why, but I do) and I remain respectful until the patriotic ordeal is over. It's not an imposition. I simply omit "under God" in the Pledge, and I take no stand on the burning of the flag (though when pressed, I'll tend to quote a lot of Penn & Teller on the subject).

I just wonder, along with guys like Douglas Adams, why impartial and frank inquiry into things like patriotism and religion is so chastised by so many. People ask me how I can put so much faith in science and not into religion or my country, and I say it's because science encourages unflinching examination of the facts at hand, and for some reason, the same gaze applied to religion or patriotism is EVIL AND WRONG. Well screw that. I don't like the Anthem either, and I like the Pledge even less.

Yet, I am still a proud American. I thank those who've served in the armed forces for doing things I'd either stink at or not have the stomach for (conformity and killing being chief among them). I love my country, but I think it's time we start seeing other people.
it is a surprise to me that anyone is particularly attached to our current national anthem. there are better choices.

but

HE HATES OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM!

and he burns the flag.

and...(checking snopes)

HE WANTS TO REPLACE IT WITH "ID LIKE TO TEACH THE WORLD TO SING"!

the horror! the humanity! HIDE THE CHILDREN!

Of the about 40% that support McCain, how many do you think is voting for McCain as opposed to against Obama?

And how many do you think is voting for Obama but really against Palin?

Of the about 40% that support McCain, how many do you think is voting for McCain as opposed to against Obama?

And how many do you think is voting for Obama but really against Palin?

Im still trying to figure out how many will atually turn up to vote come election day.

Im still trying to figure out how many will atually turn up to vote come election day.

You know that Simpsons episode where Bart runs for class president, and he's a total shoe in, and he has his celebration party at recess and while he's going around he finds out that no one actually voted and Martin wins by getting two votes, his and the other nerdy kid?

This is what is keeping me up at night.

You know that Simpsons episode where Bart runs for class president, and he's a total shoe in, and he has his celebration party at recess and while he's going around he finds out that no one actually voted and Martin wins by getting two votes, his and the other nerdy kid?

This is what is keeping me up at night.

yeah, no showing up to election night parties without an "i voted" sticker

i didnt read the email but i was exaggerating. im pretty sure it was the one where he hates the national anthem and refuses to say the pledge of allegiance and his wife is a life long flag burner (or something)

i checked snopes later to see what one it probably was since she said it included an actual statement by obama verifying that this was indeed his position.

i dont care that my brother sends my sister this kind of crap. she can sort out the wheat from the chaff. but it pisses me off that anyone would send such things to my mother in law who really isnt in a position to make critical judgements on things she gets on her computer. i already took her into town to early vote so its not like this shit is going to do anything but upset her.

Yea....I always keep refering people to snopes when it comes to this stuff. But people keep sending it to me as well. But it's too late I've already voted. I know most of this stuff isn't true anyway.

You know that Simpsons episode where Bart runs for class president, and he's a total shoe in, and he has his celebration party at recess and while he's going around he finds out that no one actually voted and Martin wins by getting two votes, his and the other nerdy kid?

This is what is keeping me up at night.

Let's just hope that all these lines for early voting are quite a few people voting for Obama. Plus when i was at a University function, I was talking to some other students and they said they had voted. I think the youth vote is a lot more organized than they have been.

Plus all those endorcements from Republicans for Obama. That's impressive enough. Not sure how many Republicans have jumped ship, but it is happening. In order for McCain to win, he has to have the 'whole' Republican base plus some of the Democrat base to win. It's not happening.

Cheer up, and I love the Simpsons.

I found this and even though it's serious enough, it's funny. The guy who did this, was great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmjPSPVmACc

It's true. He's going to change it to "Shaft."

That Obama's one bad mother-

That Obama's one bad mother-

Shut your mouth!

So sad.

But as the RNC explain on the subject of voter registration, it doesn't matter if you only get 12 votes, as long as they're the right 12.

:rolleyes:
And as W explains, it doesn't matter if you only get 5 votes, as long as they're the right 5.

We're just talkin' about Obama

I can dig it. :cool:

Maybe a return to the Whig party?
Every time I say that, it makes me laugh. :)Maybe they'll call the new party the "Tories" this time?

I'm rooting for PALIN/WURZELBACHER as the GOP ticket in 2012, so that damned Republican party can be buried, totally.

quoting ezra (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=10&year=2008&base_name=bumps), because it's awesome:

first, this photo
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8161/bumpeo6.jpg

quothe the ezra,
"Of course, the moment was ruined when Obama abruptly carved his initials into the kid's face. But it was nice until then."

9 days, bitches. I thought I heard from pundits, from posters, from about half of everyone that Obama was supposed to lose momentum and that people would get less excited?

Months of a steady and substantial lead is going to dissipate this week? Possibly, but I have to say, all signs point to no.

Ah, shows what you know.

McCain is on track, and he's gonna win:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081026/ap_on_el_pr/mccain


And on a similar topic, but slightly different...

What is really under all the Republican propaganda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU

quoting ezra (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=10&year=2008&base_name=bumps), because it's awesome:

first, this photo
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8161/bumpeo6.jpg

quothe the ezra,
"Of course, the moment was ruined when Obama abruptly carved his initials into the kid's face. But it was nice until then."

Can I get a "Terrorist Fist Bump!"

quoting ezra (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=10&year=2008&base_name=bumps), because it's awesome:

first, this photo
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8161/bumpeo6.jpg

quothe the ezra,
"Of course, the moment was ruined when Obama abruptly carved his initials into the kid's face. But it was nice until then."

"And you hold your 9mm like this..."

What is really under all the Republican propaganda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU

I'd say its more like this......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2tON2RkTqM

Ah, shows what you know.

McCain is on track, and he's gonna win:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081026/ap_on_el_pr/mccain



Hes got us right were he wants us!


Look, there is optimistic, and then there is delusional.


And on a similar topic, but slightly different...

What is really under all the Republican propaganda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU

See, I posted this some time ago, and everyone freaked out and was like "zomgz I bets u wuldnt laugh if thta was about democratz!!!111!"

Ah, shows what you know.

McCain is on track, and he's gonna win:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081026/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

Yea, and I found this. A much more pessmistic view on the situation. I don't necesaarly agree with all of it, but it seems some Republicans are acknowledging that it looks like McCain is going down.

Sorry, Senator. Let's Salvage What We Can. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102302081.html)

Yea, and I found this. A much more pessmistic view on the situation. I don't necesaarly agree with all of it, but it seems some Republicans are acknowledging that it looks like McCain is going down.

Sorry, Senator. Let's Salvage What We Can. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102302081.html)

Unchecked, this angry new wing of the Democratic Party will seek to stifle opposition by changing the rules of the political game. Some will want to silence conservative talk radio by tightening regulation of the airwaves via the misleadingly named "fairness doctrine"; others may seek to police the activities of right-leaning think tanks by a stricter interpretation of what is tax-deductible and what is not.
I'm sorry, that's just priceless.

Ah, shows what you know.

McCain is on track, and he's gonna win:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081026/ap_on_el_pr/mccain


Ah! Senility has begun to set in. Excellent. :D

Unchecked, this angry new wing of the Democratic Party will seek to stifle opposition by changing the rules of the political game. Some will want to silence conservative talk radio by tightening regulation of the airwaves via the misleadingly named "fairness doctrine"; others may seek to police the activities of right-leaning think tanks by a stricter interpretation of what is tax-deductible and what is not.
I'm sorry, that's just priceless.

That's the part I didn't agree with. lol I thought that doesn't sound like the Democrats, that sounds like them.

Of the about 40% that support McCain, how many do you think is voting for McCain as opposed to against Obama?

And how many do you think is voting for Obama but really against Palin?
if my husband votes for obama it will be because palin is more scary than a democrat in the whitehouse.

Fun little article: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/742356.html

Its all funny, but this part in particular:
When she looks at Obama, she sees someone who's "a Harvard elitist. He never grew up in a middle class environment. He understands Harvard elitists and movie stars."



BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...aha....ha...aha..h a...haaa *deep breath* hahaha...haha..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaaaaaaa. ......


Oh my, thats rich.

Ah! Senility has begun to set in. Excellent. :D

Noes! That means Palin is that much closer to the presidency! :eek2:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/10/26/128695247437319590.jpg

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/10/26/128695275119330926.jpg

When she looks at Obama, she sees someone who's "a Harvard elitist. He never grew up in a middle class environment. He understands Harvard elitists and movie stars."

portrayal of obama as elitist hailed as step forward for african americans (http://vodpod.com/watch/971976-portrayal-of-obama-as-elitist-hailed-as-step-forward-for-african-americans)

portrayal of obama as elitist hailed as step forward for african americans (http://vodpod.com/watch/971976-portrayal-of-obama-as-elitist-hailed-as-step-forward-for-african-americans)

That is absolutely hilarious!

Fun little article: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/742356.html

Its all funny, but this part in particular:




BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...aha....ha...aha..h a...haaa *deep breath* hahaha...haha..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaaaaaaa. ......


Oh my, thats rich.

It's amazing how amazingly stupid, ignornant, and pig headed 'real' Americans are. If that's a real American, then count me the fuck out.

It's amazing how amazingly stupid, ignornant, and pig headed 'real' Americans are. If that's a real American, then count me the fuck out.I'm not a real American.

portrayal of obama as elitist hailed as step forward for african americans (http://vodpod.com/watch/971976-portrayal-of-obama-as-elitist-hailed-as-step-forward-for-african-americans)

:D:D Fantastic!

I'm not a real American.

You're a lumberjack!


...and you're OK. ;)

So, you guys remember that rally in Denver?

Turns out the turnout was over 100,000. I know, because I was there. The place was super freaking packed.

I didn't get anywhere near as close to Obama as I'd have liked, but I did see him!

...

Maybe it was just the distance, but he was less impressive in person than I thought he would be.

So, you guys remember that rally in Denver?

Turns out the turnout was over 100,000. I know, because I was there. The place was super freaking packed.

I didn't get anywhere near as close to Obama as I'd have liked, but I did see him!

...

Maybe it was just the distance, but he was less impressive in person than I thought he would be.

You mean he wasn't 7 feet tall?

You mean he wasn't 7 feet tall?

He's a six-foot-four black male? :eek2:

He's a six-foot-four black male? :eek2:

Nah, he's only 6'1".

Nah, he's only 6'1".

i'm sure he seems bigger whilst carving his initials into you

See, I posted this some time ago, and everyone freaked out and was like "zomgz I bets u wuldnt laugh if thta was about democratz!!!111!"

Awesome! I ripped you off without even knowing it. :)

I'd laugh if it was Democrats - provided it was as grounded in the issues.

You mean he wasn't 7 feet tall?

It wouldn't have mattered if he was. My brother and I were so far back that all I could see in my occasional glimpses was a tiny man waving his hands vaguely.

It's amazing how amazingly stupid, ignornant, and pig headed 'real' Americans are. If that's a real American, then count me the fuck out.

Harvard elitist, give me break. The guy was raised by his grandmother and had a lot of tough times. He pulled himself up from his bootstraps.

Ironically did you hear that only about 4,000 showed up at McCain's rally in Denver.

it is a surprise to me that anyone is particularly attached to our current national anthem. there are better choices.

but

HE HATES OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM!

and he burns the flag.

and...(checking snopes)

HE WANTS TO REPLACE IT WITH "ID LIKE TO TEACH THE WORLD TO SING"!

the horror! the humanity! HIDE THE CHILDREN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8H5263jCGg

You mean he wasn't 7 feet tall?

And didnt shoot lightening bolts out of his arse?

This is the most hilarious thing I've seen

Alaska's largest newspaper endorses Obama (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081026/ap_on_el_pr/alaska_endorsement) :D