NationStates Jolt Archive

If the McCain campain is as out of touch as he appears to be, Someone in his camp will call Colin Powell's endorsement racially motivated. Of course, McCain won't do that himself. He's not that far gone yet. :tongue:
But he will of course quickly repudiate it, just like he's repudiated everything, EVERYTHING!

So is the McCain message now "Obama is a socialist, and socialism is a bad word that you should be afraid of - Joe the Plumber says so! Vote McCain, the non-socialist alternative (Just don't ask what the McCain policies are) - or the domestic terrorists from the 60's win!" ?

And the McCain numbers are going up, aren't they...

So is the McCain message now "Obama is a socialist, and socialism is a bad word that you should be afraid of - Joe the Plumber says so! Vote McCain, the non-socialist alternative (Just don't ask what the McCain policies are) - or the domestic terrorists from the 70's win!" ?

And the McCain numbers are going up, aren't they...

Depends on what you mean by "going up". A few days ago, Rasmussen had lowered the race down to 4 points, today it's back up at 6. CNN poll of polls, about a week and a half ago, had the race at 8 points, now at 6, but that hasn't changed in a week.

With a race down to single digits, it's impossible to state that numbers are going "up" or "down" by changes in single digits. A point here and there can be meaningful, it can also be statistical white noise. The general consensus is that, yes, McCain has risen his support by a point or two, but that's not necessarily indicative of the kind of support he NEEDS to be getting. He may be getting a few disenfranchised conservatives to change their mind from "not voting" to "going to vote for McCain" but it remains questionable whether he's actually getting many independents to make up their mind for him.

to give perspective, Rasmussen has not moved Obama from the 50%-52% range or McCain from the 44% to 46% range in 26 days. Now while this range can encompass a lead as small as 4% (as it was two days ago) or as large as 8 point (about a week ago) , the point still remains that McCain has not gotten above 46% and Obama hasn't gotten below 50% in a MONTH. And right now it sits right dab in the middle, 45% to 51%.

Now, sure, the polls GENERALLY show McCain doing a bit better, but, frankly, that's to be expected two weeks from an election. The question is, is he doing better in the places that matter, or is he just turning red states a bit redder?

So is the McCain message now "Obama is a socialist, and socialism is a bad word that you should be afraid of - Joe the Plumber says so! Vote McCain, the non-socialist alternative (Just don't ask what the McCain policies are) - or the domestic terrorists from the 60's win!" ?

And the McCain numbers are going up, aren't they...
sean hannity was harping on this socialism thing this week.

not that it wasnt funny since sean was trying to scare his audience with the HORRORS of socialism like free health care and day care for your small children. *ohhhhh nooooooo!*

so socialism is OK for banks but bad for children.....

Dude... (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iJvBEzFSFFUd1YNiEOYNdqLdw5fg)

Democrat Barack Obama more than doubled his fundraising record with a mammoth September haul topping 150 million dollars to use in the final stretch of his White House campaign, aides said Sunday.

With that kind of bank roll, if you live in a battleground state I expect you'll hear the word "Obama" every 38 seconds...they have enough dough to hire chanters to follow undecides around...

Dude... (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iJvBEzFSFFUd1YNiEOYNdqLdw5fg)



With that kind of bank roll, if you live in a battleground state I expect you'll hear the word "Obama" every 38 seconds...they have enough dough to hire chanters to follow undecides around...

Yeah, but apparently McCain already made some thinly veiled corruption charges in some interview, saying that that kind of money can't be but from suspicious sources. Just heard that on the radio news here, too lazy to source it properly, shut up.

Dude... (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iJvBEzFSFFUd1YNiEOYNdqLdw5fg)



With that kind of bank roll, if you live in a battleground state I expect you'll hear the word "Obama" every 38 seconds...they have enough dough to hire chanters to follow undecides around...

He could buy every undecided voter in every battleground state a hooker. :D

Yeah, but apparently McCain already made some thinly veiled corruption charges in some interview, saying that that kind of money can't be but from suspicious sources. Just heard that on the radio news here, too lazy to source it properly, shut up.
Natch.
He could buy every undecided voter in every battleground state a hooker. :D

I'm undecided! And...uh...from...I don't know...Ohio...or something...ignore all my California flags or the fact that I've spent my entire life in Northern California...<.< >.>

He could buy every undecided voter in every battleground state a hooker. :D

*asks to withdraw vote*

Diebold machines flipping votes again (http://www.sundaygazettemail.com/News/200810180251)

Diebold machines flipping votes again (http://www.sundaygazettemail.com/News/200810180251)

And shockingly they can't provide proof of who you voted for. Handy.

Diebold machines flipping votes again (http://www.sundaygazettemail.com/News/200810180251)

"I hate the fact that stories like this are being printed". Classy.

"I hate the fact that stories like this are being printed". Classy.

That was a gem, wasn't it?

That was a gem, wasn't it?

Yep.

West Virginia is now off the swing state list. Damn. http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/dry.gif

Otherwise, though, Obama looks to be holding onto his lead:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/todays-polls-1019.html

I just saw something odd. A McCain commercial, in Indiana. I've never seen a republican presidential candidate have to campaign here.

I just saw something odd. A McCain commercial, in Indiana. I've never seen a republican presidential candidate have to campaign here.

I know this is a non sequitur, but I LOVED watching NFL games today and seeing multiple Obama ads.

I just saw something odd. A McCain commercial, in Indiana. I've never seen a republican presidential candidate have to campaign here.

Ah, having to defend his own backyard, while the RNC has to pull support in order to have the resources to defend senate seats...you all know where this is going...

I just saw something odd. A McCain commercial, in Indiana. I've never seen a republican presidential candidate have to campaign here.

Because Obama very well might win there especially if Mcain neglets it and Mcain knows it. I am excited finnally a reversal of this conservative crap. Crosses fingers.

I just saw something odd. A McCain commercial, in Indiana. I've never seen a republican presidential candidate have to campaign here.

There are Obama commercials in California. A whole bunch of them.

And in so many other places.

McCain has to defend everywhere. I told people this was going to happen, but noo, no one listened.

There are Obama commercials in California. A whole bunch of them.

And in so many other places.

McCain has to defend everywhere. I told people this was going to happen, but noo, no one listened.

BAHAHA I don't get a single one. Then again I live in Chicago Were going red all the way rah rah mcain. Just kidding!!!!

and has been his entire life. have you read his profile in rolling stone magazine? its well worth the time spent reading it.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Slightly off-topic, but anybody who's read that profile should read this blog interview (http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/news-bites/2008/10/10/john-dramesis-unflattering-memories-his-fellow-pow/) with John Dramesi, one of McCain's fellow POWs who is quoted in the RS piece, calling McCain an "undisciplined, spoiled brat." Dramesi, apparently, is about as close to a real-life Jack Freakin' Bauer as you can imagine. He was so incorruptible he was rather unpopular with his fellow POWs.

I don't think the piece undercuts the Rolling Stone article, but it does add some very interesting background, and also it's an insight into the POW experience.

I was in Arkansas visiting family and saw an Obama ad during every commercial break. The sad fact is that as of 2008, there is no way Arkansas is going to vote for a black man but yet he's still spending tons of money there.

I don't always understand why politicians do what they do, but I'm sure it has some purpose. The fact that McCain is campaigning in Indiana doesn't really surprise me.

Slightly off-topic, but anybody who's read that profile should read this blog interview (http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/news-bites/2008/10/10/john-dramesis-unflattering-memories-his-fellow-pow/) with John Dramesi, one of McCain's fellow POWs who is quoted in the RS piece, calling McCain an "undisciplined, spoiled brat." Dramesi, apparently, is about as close to a real-life Jack Freakin' Bauer as you can imagine. He was so incorruptible he was rather unpopular with his fellow POWs.

I don't think the piece undercuts the Rolling Stone article, but it does add some very interesting background, and also it's an insight into the POW experience.

I've been shying away from this because it always felt too swift boat for my tastes. That almost sounds like a transcript. I'd like to be beyond that. There are so many reasons on a policy level alone to not want McCain that I don't think we need all of this.

congratulations in advance!

are you living in the US now?

Diebold machines flipping votes again (http://www.sundaygazettemail.com/News/200810180251)

If Obama loses, he should still have enough money leftover to run a hell of a campaign exposing this, to the point where it simply cannot be ignored. John Kerry didn't have the guts to call Bush on it, but Obama certainly has the balls necessary to call this out.

Diebold machines flipping votes again (http://www.sundaygazettemail.com/News/200810180251)

What's the penalty for wide scale vote theft/fraud in America? Isn't this the sort of thing that gets your company broken up and the CEOs thrown in jail for very long periods of time?

What's the penalty for wide scale vote theft/fraud in America? Isn't this the sort of thing that gets your company broken up and the CEOs thrown in jail for very long periods of time?

Only in theory.

Only in theory.

Unfortunately true.

West Virginia is now off the swing state list. Damn. http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/html/emoticons/dry.gif

Otherwise, though, Obama looks to be holding onto his lead:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/todays-polls-1019.html

No he's not. He's slipping in Ohio and Florida This is exactly what I feared would happen when McCain started this "terrorist" BS. This is how they won last time, by scaring the s*** out of people. Look for Nevada, Missouri, and Colorado, Iowa, North Carolina and Virginia to switch back to McCain before election day, and what scare-mongering doesn't take away Diebold will.

http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=39
http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=12
http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=29
http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=51
http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=37

(yes, Virginia and North Carolina look OK, but for how long?)

No he's not. He's slipping in Ohio and Florida This is exactly what I feared would happen when McCain started this "terrorist" BS. This is how they won last time, by scaring the s*** out of people.

I thought the last time it happened was the whole anti-gay vote thing, and less so on the terrorist rubbish.


Look for Nevada, Missouri, and Colorado, Iowa, North Carolina and Virginia to switch back to McCain before election day, and what scare-mongering doesn't take away Diebold will.


The more I hear about Diebold, the more I keep thinking that the bold part should be taken out, and they be forced to live up to their new namesake. But that's probably just a flash reaction.

I thought the last time it happened was the whole anti-gay vote thing, and less so on the terrorist rubbish.

I thought it was because Kerry first voted for an Iraq war, then changed his mind when he recognized the scam, which then earned him the title "Flip Flop".

I thought it was because Kerry first voted for an Iraq war, then changed his mind when he recognized the scam, which then earned him the title "Flip Flop".

Which is totally a stupid reason not to vote for someone. He was a senator, of course he's going to change his votes occasionally. The main princpal on democratic voting is compromise. This who flip-flop motif shows ignorance in the voteing public of America.

I believe the main factor for Kerry not getting elected was that everone thought he was going to raise taxes. Which was bullshit, I think he was planning on doing the same thing Obama had planned on doing, adjust the taxes to the same levels that Clinton had done. *sighs* If America had not been so stupid, we might have avoided this finacial crises. As Bush hadn't the sense to figure out what to do. When the finacial crisis was on America's doorstep, his stupid idea for economic policy was to let the market shake itself out, a very Lassiez-Faire mentality. Of course now look at the mess. Let the market shake itself out is not a sound idea. And now it's too late, people are losing homes, jobs, etc.

Also he had this whole 'very' Republican idea of not bailing out speculators. *rolls eyes* Which is fine and good, but....that's a hell of a thing to say, when the whole credit market is going to shits because everyone is losing their home, not just speculators.

Ah, having to defend his own backyard, while the RNC has to pull support in order to have the resources to defend senate seats...you all know where this is going...

Yeah! Obama's not clearly winning in every single state. The 50 state strategy was a total failure!

congratulations in advance!

are you living in the US now?

She's living in Australia. We'll move to the US once we get our degrees. But she's already sent off her vote for Obama.

And shockingly they can't provide proof of who you voted for. Handy.
even more shockingly is that the problem only seems to affect people voting Democrat. If it was, as the person defending the Diebolt machine in the article claims, just a mistake on the part of the voter then surely we'd see an equal number of mistakes being made from both party voters. Thus far, it's only been Democrat voters who have been affected. all rather worrying.

even more shockingly is that the problem only seems to affect people voting Democrat. If it was, as the person defending the Diebolt machine in the article claims, just a mistake on the part of the voter then surely we'd see an equal number of mistakes being made from both party voters. Thus far, it's only been Democrat voters who have been affected. all rather worrying.

Didn't the last election have the Diebold CEO promising that they were committed to delivering certain states to the GOP?

And then I found this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26335273/

*mutters* I hope if something bad does happen. Obama will have the guts to fight back. Because this is just wrong. I hate BS like this.

She's living in Australia. We'll move to the US once we get our degrees. But she's already sent off her vote for Obama.
awww and i had a good acorn joke all ready if you were a legal resident here.

Didn't the last election have the Diebold CEO promising that they were committed to delivering certain states to the GOP?
Yes, they did, and they seem determined to do it again.

I hate this so much.

Slightly off-topic, but anybody who's read that profile should read this blog interview (http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/news-bites/2008/10/10/john-dramesis-unflattering-memories-his-fellow-pow/) with John Dramesi, one of McCain's fellow POWs who is quoted in the RS piece, calling McCain an "undisciplined, spoiled brat." Dramesi, apparently, is about as close to a real-life Jack Freakin' Bauer as you can imagine. He was so incorruptible he was rather unpopular with his fellow POWs.

I don't think the piece undercuts the Rolling Stone article, but it does add some very interesting background, and also it's an insight into the POW experience.
very interesting.

no it doesnt undercut the rolling stone article--not that it would matter if it did as long as its true.

i do find it surprising that dramesi would claim to be voting for obama. mccain might not be as "country first" as dramesi would like but i would have thought that obama is far too light on military background/understanding for him to support.

very interesting.

no it doesnt undercut the rolling stone article--not that it would matter if it did as long as its true.

i do find it surprising that dramesi would claim to be voting for obama. mccain might not be as "country first" as dramesi would like but i would have thought that obama is far too light on military background/understanding for him to support.
Maybe Obama's not as soft as people think. Or maybe Dramesi is not a one-issue voter. Maybe Dramesi thinks he was fighting FOR something, and wants a president who won't destroy all of that.

Maybe Obama's not as soft as people think. Or maybe Dramesi is not a one-issue voter. Maybe Dramesi thinks he was fighting FOR something, and wants a president who won't destroy all of that.
it seemed to be the intelligent and disciplined part--neither of which mccain has shown much of since the convention.

it seemed to be the intelligent and disciplined part--neither of which mccain has shown much of since the convention.
Yeah, it would be fun to have a president with brains and self-control for a change, wouldn't it? You know, just for the novelty.

And then I found this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26335273/

*mutters* I hope if something bad does happen. Obama will have the guts to fight back. Because this is just wrong. I hate BS like this.

There is little point to fighting back unless you can ensure that criminal investigations will be started. Otherwise people like the Diebold CEO will sit back, knock a drink and laugh as he promises a fresh set of wins for the GOP. Seems to me like the Onion (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks) got this spot on well before they happened.

Yeah, it would be fun to have a president with brains and self-control for a change, wouldn't it? You know, just for the novelty.
its probably this economy thing but im liking obama more and more as he is SO calm and rational in running his campaign and making his policies for the future. his steady approach is head and shoulders above mccains lurching around looking for an issue he can stick obama with.

its probably this economy thing but im liking obama more and more as he is SO calm and rational in running his campaign and making his policies for the future. his steady approach is head and shoulders above mccains lurching around looking for an issue he can stick obama with.
*indulges in misanthropy over breakfast*

You and me and most NSGers both, but consider our fellow Americans. They want to vote for someone just like them, and they're all a bunch of belligerently selfish fucktards with the self-control of three-year-olds.

I've made this prediction before, but I'm going to state it again just because keeping it bottled up is making me sick:

When it comes right down to it, I do not have faith that Americans will vote for a black man. Period. They'll dither and change they're minds in the voting booths, and Diebold's bullshit will make them feel better about it, as if copping out with their votes didn't make a difference because it was all rigged anyway.

Yes, I do think they are that racist.

I pray that I'm wrong -- this time. I really, really want to be wrong.

Didn't the last election have the Diebold CEO promising that they were committed to delivering certain states to the GOP?

Are you serious? How do they still have a contract?

There is little point to fighting back unless you can ensure that criminal investigations will be started. Otherwise people like the Diebold CEO will sit back, knock a drink and laugh as he promises a fresh set of wins for the GOP. Seems to me like the Onion (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks) got this spot on well before they happened.

True, and all of us people who cry fraud, fraud.... are labeled as wackjobs and crackpots. I won't take it if McCain wins, because I'll have this underlying feeling that it was won falsely. I'll leave the States. I'll find a way to do it. I want nothing to do with a country that says it's a democracy, but underlyingly has a fascist way of doing things.

Plus, if McCain wins, they can say it's not fraud it's the Bradely effect. Damn it all.

*indulges in misanthropy over breakfast*

You and me and most NSGers both, but consider our fellow Americans. They want to vote for someone just like them, and they're all a bunch of belligerently selfish fucktards with the self-control of three-year-olds.

While it's still true to a degree, I think it's slightly less so than it was in previous elections. Essentially, I think some people--even those who previously wanted "somebody like them" in office-- are so tired of having a dumbshit president that they now want somebody intelligent in the office. Further, one problem with previous "intellectual" candidates is that they were, well, boring. Obama... not so much. He excites people, even non-intellectuals. That makes a big difference, I think.


I've made this prediction before, but I'm going to state it again just because keeping it bottled up is making me sick:

When it comes right down to it, I do not have faith that Americans will vote for a black man. Period. They'll dither and change they're minds in the voting booths, and Diebold's bullshit will make them feel better about it, as if copping out with their votes didn't make a difference because it was all rigged anyway.

Yes, I do think they are that racist.

I pray that I'm wrong -- this time. I really, really want to be wrong.

While I do not disagree that many people are racist, it seems to me that they have enough talking points that they can use to claim to oppose Obama and still not sound racist. They can say "I'm voting for McCain because he has experience and Obama does not" or "Obama is a socialist!" or whatever. While we may contest the validity of these reasons, they've stuck enough into people's minds that they can use them to excuse voting for McCain.

Of course, all this may be wishful thinking and you may be correct. But, as you said, let's hope that you are wrong. :)

Are you serious? How do they still have a contract?
Duh. The guys they put in office are still there. Of course, they still have a contract.

Duh. The guys they put in office are still there. Of course, they still have a contract.
That doesn't really make sense, though, does it, once their CEO apparently publicly proclaimed he was gonna commit election fraud. As in, was (and is) there no gigantic media outrage that would have made any continued contract an impossibility for the government?

its probably this economy thing but im liking obama more and more as he is SO calm and rational in running his campaign and making his policies for the future. his steady approach is head and shoulders above mccains lurching around looking for an issue he can stick obama with.

He just seems so in control of it all. Whenever a problem arises, he has a swift and effective solution for it. He had a campaign plan right from the start and he executed it perfectly. He has shown an ability to deal with problems adequately under pressure, he has shown an ability to resolve issues very effectively, and he has shown an ability to surround himself with the right advisers and managers (because there is no way he could have run this campaign single-handedly). These are all qualities that are a necessity in a president.

In contrast, McCain has made numerous fumbling errors, has a poorly run campaign, surrounds himself with morons, and poses short term fixes to long term problems that don't even work. In this, he is, in every way, just like George W. Bush - wholly inadequate to lead.

That doesn't really make sense, though, does it, once their CEO apparently publicly proclaimed he was gonna commit election fraud. As in, was (and is) there no gigantic media outrage that would have made any continued contract an impossibility for the government?

It's that damned liberal media bias!

*indulges in misanthropy over breakfast*

You and me and most NSGers both, but consider our fellow Americans. They want to vote for someone just like them, and they're all a bunch of belligerently selfish fucktards with the self-control of three-year-olds.

I've made this prediction before, but I'm going to state it again just because keeping it bottled up is making me sick:

When it comes right down to it, I do not have faith that Americans will vote for a black man. Period. They'll dither and change they're minds in the voting booths, and Diebold's bullshit will make them feel better about it, as if copping out with their votes didn't make a difference because it was all rigged anyway.

Yes, I do think they are that racist.

I pray that I'm wrong -- this time. I really, really want to be wrong.
i know what you mean but at least this time we have been helped by mccain being so very unlikeable.

people vote for those they LIKE and look for reasons afterwards. if they dont like mccain and are leery of obama they might still vote obama from a default "he is the better man" position.

Didn't the last election have the Diebold CEO promising that they were committed to delivering certain states to the GOP?
something along the lines of this:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

do you mean?

Are you serious? How do they still have a contract?

When you deliver what GOP wants, and what GOP wants is ultimate governing authority in the United States, you can get any number of contracts, no matter the illegality of it.

Money and power talks. Things like law and justice usually take fourth or fifth place, if at all.

True, and all of us people who cry fraud, fraud.... are labeled as wackjobs and crackpots. I won't take it if McCain wins, because I'll have this underlying feeling that it was won falsely. I'll leave the States. I'll find a way to do it. I want nothing to do with a country that says it's a democracy, but underlyingly has a fascist way of doing things.

Plus, if McCain wins, they can say it's not fraud it's the Bradely effect. Damn it all.

Leaving won't matter a whit to them. In fact, it will only embolden them. If this sort of shenanigans aren't put down, and put down hard, they'll just continue.

That doesn't really make sense, though, does it, once their CEO apparently publicly proclaimed he was gonna commit election fraud. As in, was (and is) there no gigantic media outrage that would have made any continued contract an impossibility for the government?

Probably because there was no formal investigation in the matter, and anyone who raised a hullabaloo would have faced a defamation lawsuit. Not to mention the fact that the GOP were already declaring wins and the cases of the fraud as conspiracy theories. The media outlets wouldn't have been able to touch it short of launching their own official investigation with legal sanction, which they never got.

something along the lines of this:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

do you mean?

Not sure. I don't think it was a rolling stones article from back in 2004 when the statement came out though.

That doesn't really make sense, though, does it, once their CEO apparently publicly proclaimed he was gonna commit election fraud. As in, was (and is) there no gigantic media outrage that would have made any continued contract an impossibility for the government?
It makes perfect sense when you realize that we are talking about straight-up political corruption. And no, there was no gigantic media outrage because guess who owns the media? That's right, more friends of the corrupt politicians and CEOs. There is no independent journalism in the US anymore. It's all what I like to think of as a big old circle-jerk.

We shall see if things go differently this time around.

Not sure. I don't think it was a rolling stones article from back in 2004 when the statement came out though.
worth reading for the sheer amount of corruption and voter fraud that went down in Ohio, especially in the disenfranchising of new voter registrations. And look how many new voters are registering this time round, overwhelmingly Democrat thanks to Obama's registration drive.
Will we see another Ohio, but in several states this year?

something along the lines of this:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

do you mean?

I'm still reading this, but oh my God. I didn't even know about that. (Granted, I'm not American, but I did pay attention. I thought.)

worth reading for the sheer amount of corruption and voter fraud that went down in Ohio, especially in the disenfranchising of new voter registrations. And look how many new voters are registering this time round, overwhelmingly Democrat thanks to Obama's registration drive.
Will we see another Ohio, but in several states this year?

It would have to be in several states. They managed to get away with stealing just one state in 2000 because it was so close. They managed to fiddle around with just a couple of states in 2004 because it was so close. But this election is looking to be a landslide win to Obama, so they will have to do a LOT of criminal activity to get McCain to win, and with so much more of it going on, it is a lot more likely to get noticed. Moreover, with the Obama campaign having so much money, they could pour a lot of it into making people aware of the fraud, and with the Democrat congress/senate, they could force an investigation. Either way, it does not look bright for the republicans should they try to cheat this election like they have in the past.

worth reading for the sheer amount of corruption and voter fraud that went down in Ohio, especially in the disenfranchising of new voter registrations. And look how many new voters are registering this time round, overwhelmingly Democrat thanks to Obama's registration drive.
Will we see another Ohio, but in several states this year?
the obama team has hired thousands of lawyers to try to keep it to a minimum.

they have already asked the feds to look into a connection between the justice department and the mccain campaign in going after acorn.

they will at least TRY to prevent massive abuse. whether or not they succeed is for time to tell. (and they did at least stop the republicans in ohio from purging thousands of voters from the rolls for small registration errors)

And look how many new voters are registering this time round, overwhelmingly Democrat thanks to Obama's registration drive.
Will we see another Ohio, but in several states this year?
It seems almost unavoidable, doesn't it? I mean, if they're various tactics worked so great last time around it stands to reason that they'll use them again this time, exactly because of Obama's registration successes.

I feel slightly sick now.

I hate to disabuse the notion that Republicans are cheating bastards, but voter fraud and cheating run both ways.

It would have to be in several states. They managed to get away with stealing just one state in 2000 because it was so close. They managed to fiddle around with just a couple of states in 2004 because it was so close. But this election is looking to be a landslide win to Obama, so they will have to do a LOT of criminal activity to get McCain to win, and with so much more of it going on, it is a lot more likely to get noticed. Moreover, with the Obama campaign having so much money, they could pour a lot of it into making people aware of the fraud, and with the Democrat congress/senate, they could force an investigation. Either way, it does not look bright for the republicans should they try to cheat this election like they have in the past.
Zombie's article actually says that pre-election polls AND exit polls in 2004 were also pretty landslide-y in Kerry's favour (I don't actually recall) and that they fiddled around with more than just a couple states:

But despite the media blackout, indications continued to emerge that something deeply troubling had taken place in 2004. Nearly half of the 6 million American voters living abroad3 never received their ballots — or received them too late to vote4 — after the Pentagon unaccountably shut down a state-of-the-art Web site used to file overseas registrations5. A consulting firm called Sproul & Associates, which was hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters in six battleground states6, was discovered shredding Democratic registrations7. In New Mexico, which was decided by 5,988 votes8, malfunctioning machines mysteriously failed to properly register a presidential vote on more than 20,000 ballots9. Nationwide, according to the federal commission charged with implementing election reforms, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment — roughly one for every 100 cast10.

Leaving won't matter a whit to them. In fact, it will only embolden them. If this sort of shenanigans aren't put down, and put down hard, they'll just continue.


True, but it disgusts me that over 200 years of demoracy and this is how it dies. *sighs* I want to leave because, I do not want to be part of a country that stands and lets this happen.

I hate to disabuse the notion that Republicans are cheating bastards, but voter fraud and cheating run both ways.

I'd feel the same if it was either Republicans or the Democrats in power. If the party that was in control was the Democrats, I'd be upset because it would still be a disenfranchisment.

I hate to disabuse the notion that Republicans are cheating bastards, but voter fraud and cheating run both ways.

Did you read the link?

No one is saying it can't happen both ways - but the source cites evidences of a massive partisanship to the 2004 'cheating'. The kind of 'partisan' that means organisation, it looks like.

Zombie's article actually says that pre-election polls AND exit polls in 2004 were also pretty landslide-y in Kerry's favour (I don't actually recall)
Not like it is this time: contrast the maps of 10/19/2008 (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Oct19.html) (every state that either Gore or Kerry took now in solid blue, many former "red" states now pale or borderline blue) with 10/19/2004 (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Maps/Oct19.html) (blue states looking sickly; Kerry was winning only if he could hang on to Florida, or flip Ohio to replace Florida). The amount of theft the Republicans would have to manage to steal this election is so much larger than what they did in 2004 that I am daring to feel optimistic that they just can't do it.
I hate to disabuse the notion that Republicans are cheating bastards, but voter fraud and cheating run both ways.
Not to the same extent, no. Not even close.

Not like it is this time: contrast the maps of 10/19/2008 (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Oct19.html) (every state that either Gore or Kerry took now in solid blue, many former "red" states now pale or borderline blue) with 10/19/2004 (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Maps/Oct19.html) (blue states looking sickly; Kerry was winning only if he could hang on to Florida, or flip Ohio to replace Florida). The amount of theft the Republicans would have to manage to steal this election is so much larger than what they did in 2004 that I am daring to feel optimistic that they just can't do it.

Not to the same extent, no. Not even close.
and *I* am daring to feel optimistic that they cant be bothered to commit vote fraud for john mccain.

there has to be some reason why his campaign is so awful this year. maybe its because the good republican operatives arent interested in working for him.

Not like it is this time: contrast the maps of 10/19/2008 (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Oct19.html) (every state that either Gore or Kerry took now in solid blue, many former "red" states now pale or borderline blue) with 10/19/2004 (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Maps/Oct19.html) (blue states looking sickly; Kerry was winning only if he could hang on to Florida, or flip Ohio to replace Florida). The amount of theft the Republicans would have to manage to steal this election is so much larger than what they did in 2004 that I am daring to feel optimistic that they just can't do it.

Not to the same extent, no. Not even close.

Thanks for the neat comparison maps. And yes, that is an impressive difference.

No he's not. He's slipping in Ohio and Florida This is exactly what I feared would happen when McCain started this "terrorist" BS. This is how they won last time, by scaring the s*** out of people. Look for Nevada, Missouri, and Colorado, Iowa, North Carolina and Virginia to switch back to McCain before election day, and what scare-mongering doesn't take away Diebold will.

http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=39
http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=12
http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=29
http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=51
http://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=37

(yes, Virginia and North Carolina look OK, but for how long?)

Oh, calm down. Obama's not going to lose.

Oh, calm down. Obama's not going to lose.

considering Rassmussen just reported that Obama's lead is up to 10 points in Virginia...

Oh, calm down. Obama's not going to lose.

All those blue states are going to remain blue the idea of pensylvania going red after 8 years of bush is ridiculous especially since there are MORE registered democrats in pensylvania now than in 04. Really all obama needs is one red state from 04 to go blue and there are six or seven leaning blue. Obama gets florida or virginia elections over you can take that to the bank and cash it.

considering Rassmussen just reported that Obama's lead is up to 10 points in Virginia...

Indeed.

See, the thing is guys, the election was really close last time. Fraud was perpetrated, but it could be hidden, out of sight, especially so long as the major media outlets didn't talk about it much.

But it's not so close this time. It's not going to tighten up anywhere near close enough for them to get away with it if they try it this time. We'll know, we'll stop it, and there will be consequences. We're not going to stand for it this time.

Obama will be our President. Just chillax. (Oh, and volunteers? Don't stop working. Keep it going till the end.)

So, Obama's leading by 10 in Virginia? :D

(Did you folks miss me? I went to São Paulo to get a visa to visit NY... AFTER Obama's in ;) )

considering Rassmussen just reported that Obama's lead is up to 10 points in Virginia...

*fanfare*

Oh, calm down. Obama's not going to lose.

we can hope though.:):) :D:D

we can hope though.:):) :D:D

Ya if you would like to see america go further down the crapper. You hope for Mcain in that case.

Ya if you would like to see america go further down the crapper. You hope for Mcain in that case.

Much as I dislike America it would do me more harm for it to spectacularly implode than it would for it to continue existing.

we can hope though.:):) :D:D

2 weeks til the election, 6 point lead in the polls, 10 point margin in Virginia, not a single narrow state leaning McCain's way...

Yeah, you can hope. It's about all you got left though.

2 weeks til the election, 6 point lead in the polls, 10 point margin in Virginia, not a single narrow state leaning McCain's way...

Yeah, you can hope. It's about all you got left though.

I am hoping the polls are correct and sanity prevails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

http://www.dixiewinterfest.org/images/animated_dance.gif

I hate to disabuse the notion that Republicans are cheating bastards, but voter fraud and cheating run both ways.

And...?

Just because the Dems are also cheating bastards, that doesn't mean "Republicans are cheating bastards" is a notion that people have to be disabused of -- because they are cheating bastards.

EDIT: Seriously, Khadgar, do you hate Republicans so much that you can't even give them credit for the one thing they're really good at?

And...?

Just because the Dems are also cheating bastards, that doesn't mean "Republicans are cheating bastards" is a notion that people have to be disabused of -- because they are cheating bastards.

EDIT: Seriously, Khadgar, do you hate Republicans so much that you can't even give them credit for the one thing they're really good at?

Just don't want people getting too high and mighty.

Just don't want people getting too high and mighty.
Pfft. You're no fun. My high and mighty level is well within normal tolerances, so chill.

Just don't want people getting too high and mighty.

We are far to infallible for that to happen

Just don't want people getting too high and mighty.

I'm sure you don't, but that's because, unlike me, you're a mortal.

2 weeks til the election, 6 point lead in the polls, 10 point margin in Virginia, not a single narrow state leaning McCain's way...

Yeah, you can hope. It's about all you got left though.

And Obama is all about hope :wink:

We are far to infallible for that to happen

As a collective, we have been surprisingly accurate this time round, actually... almost scary accurate.

we can hope though.:):) :D:D

Eh, hope away.

And I do wish McCain good luck. I want a fair and honest election, and if the American people decide that McCain is better for them, then they do.

I'll just renounce my American-ness if that happens.

sweet, i just got push polled by my (apparently) republican representative's campaign!* it was awesome - i seem to have confused the person on the other end by not responding as expected.

"full rights for gay couples? fuck yeah! new scary regulations on cars that will cost us our jerbs?! sure, sounds good. abolish private health care and implement teh socialism? why the fuck haven't we done so already?"


* yeah, i obviously don't pay enough attention to congress critters - i move around too much. bad political junkie, bad!

Oh and here's a rich article loaded with irony for you folks:

Muslims for McCain Reject Protesters
(http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccain-fans-confront-intolerance-at/218693?icid=200100397x1211531196x1200740038)

(Oct. 20) - In a confrontation caught on video, three people outside a John McCain presidential rally in Woodbridge, Va., this past weekend handed out "Obama for Change" bumper stickers that featured the Communist hammer and sickle and the Islamic crescent on them.

One of the anti-Barack Obama protesters told McCain supporters that Islam teaches its followers to "deceive the infidels in order to progress Islam." The man, who chose not to give his name, said Obama "is a socialist with Islamic background." When pushed to back up his claim, he said, "There's a lot of background ... I can't do that right now."

Several moderate McCain supporters, that included both Muslims and Christians, angrily denounced the group distributing the anti-Obama materials. A man who identified himself as a Muslim McCain delegate from the GOP convention even stepped in and said the campaign doesn't endorse this kind of message. Under pressure, the protesters eventually left the premises.

Republican Sympathizers playing the Tired Old "Obama iz teh ebil mozlem" Card get confronted by Islamic McCain Supporters.

Hey, if Muslims are supporting McCain, doesn't that mean McCain is the Terrorists' Best Friend?

Hey, if Muslims are supporting McCain, doesn't that mean McCain is the Terrorists' Best Friend?

Yep. :)

The McCain supporters can't be Muslim. I heard they were decent, America-loving people with strong moral character.

Oh and here's a rich article loaded with irony for you folks:

Muslims for McCain Reject Protesters
(http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccain-fans-confront-intolerance-at/218693?icid=200100397x1211531196x1200740038)



Republican Sympathizers playing the Tired Old "Obama iz teh ebil mozlem" Card get confronted by Islamic McCain Supporters.

Hey, if Muslims are supporting McCain, doesn't that mean McCain is the Terrorists' Best Friend?

Irony! Irony! Life's no fun without irony! ~/0

Irony! Irony! We all gotta love irony! ~/0

consider our fellow Americans. They want to vote for someone just like them, and they're all a bunch of belligerently selfish fucktards with the self-control of three-year-olds.

I keep hoping you're wrong, but then I find things like this (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=307949).

I keep hoping you're wrong, but then I find things like this (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=307949).


You know what though this crap is going to bite republicans in the ass. We all know how much Americans dislike being told or scared into who to vote for.

You know what though this crap is going to bite republicans in the ass. We all know how much Americans dislike being told or scared into who to vote for.I tend to agree it will be counterproductive, downright stupid even, but a lot of McCain supporters do seem to be, shall we say, not the sharpest tools in the shed.

I tend to agree it will be counterproductive, downright stupid even, but a lot of McCain supporters do seem to be, shall we say, not the sharpest tools in the shed.

It is not Mcain supporters who's votes Mcain stands to lose it is every body else. Such as Independents and disenfranchised feeling republicans.

It is not Mcain supporters who's votes Mcain stands to lose it is every body else. Such as Independents and disenfranchised feeling republicans.

Disenfranchised-feeling Republicans probably aren't voting GOP anyway. And if they are, they deserve what comes with that. Party-loyalty is stupid when the party isn't loyal to you.

I keep hoping you're wrong, but then I find things like this (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=307949).

I hope someone makes a deep cut on the foot soles of whoever did this. They prevented people from moving around for a while, they deserve the same.

I hope they vote Bob Barr instead. I'd love to see McCain get metaphorically punched in the gut by seeing Texas go Libertarian or something.

Haha!!! Awesome title i reckon. But at the moment I sit down to watch the new and 15 out of the 30 minutes is on Obama v McCain. THis is in Australia. Cant imagine what the people in America might be going through...

OK, here's today's poll information:

On the national front, Obama is leading in every poll released today, with a not too wide disparity between polls, from a low of +4 (Battleground, Rasmussen) to a high of +9 (Gallup, ABC/Post). Most polls seem to settle around a +5, but when the high numbers are factored in, it seems Obama settles into roughly a +6 lead.

Which is funny since that's almost exactly where we were two weeks ago. Two weeks Obama started a very high rise up, followed by dropping some of that ground to McCain. It seems like the debate did nothing really, or, perhaps, Obama's win statistically pushed against the tendency for polls to narrow in the last few weeks of a campaign. So today Obama's about a +6, two weeks ago he was about...a +6. His high point seemed to hit around the 11th, and has been slowly retreating since, but it appears to, maybe, have leveled off, as some polls having him gaining ground day by day, as others lose it.

As for the state polls, some interesting stuff today. Rasmussen has McCain up by 1 in Florida, which, while on the surface disenhearting, Rasmussen does tend to lean right in its poll results, and a 1 point lead is a statistical tie. Besides, Florida is a lot less important for the democrats than it was the last few years. Sure, a Florida win would clinch the election for Obama, and McCain absolutely MUST take Florida to win the election, but there are a lot of other roads to the white house for Obama not paved in orange.

Some weirdness pops up when the Ohio and Missouri polls are looked at. Rasmussen has Obama +5 in Missouri, but Suffolk has him down a point to McCain. Factor in the relative margins, we're probably looking at maybe a 2 point lead for Obama in Missour. But Ohio is just oddness. Whereas in Missouri Rasmussen had Obama and Suffolk had McCain, in Ohio, Rasmussen puts it at McCain +1, but Suffolk has Ohio at Obama +9. Figure that one the hell out.

Rasmussen also puts colorado at a nice solid +5 Obama and Virginia at a VERY healthy Obama +10. SurveyUSA has him at +6, for Virgina but for both those polls to be within the margin of error, Obama's probably looking at a +7 to +9 in Virginia.

PPP has Obama +7 in NORTH CAROLINA in all places, whereas Rasmussen has him at a less commanding but still respectable +3 (and some survey I never heard of called GQR has Obama trailing by a within-the-margin-of-error 2 points in fucking GEORGIA of all places...not gonna buy that one)

Now, ok, I know we'd LOVE to see him trouncing McCain in Ohio and Florida, but, let's be honest, it's probably not going to happen, McCain probably will win both of them. But that's ok, since Obama is, right now, posting very high leads in Virginia and Colorado, and some nice gains in North Carolina, any one of which is sufficient to win as long as he holds the Kerry states + NM and IA, which he's doing very well in. Missouri would do the trick too...but who knows what the hell is going on in Missouri

EDIT: Realized I flipped Ohio and Missouri around, it's Ohio with the weird polling discrepancy.

OK, here's today's poll information:

**snip of irrelevant numbers**



Your manipulative dissemination of juggled numbers doesn't change to real flesh and blood facts of this campaign, jewtorrney.

This weekend, I noticed that easily 95% of the people around me were avid McCain supporters. The only person openly supporting Obama was one guy.

And there were 11 guys supporting various indepedent candidates, 3rd parties, militias, secession movements, and the Sacred Sword Wielding Falcons of Christ Almighty.

So, good luck, pal. Gun show sample populations don't lie.

Your manipulative dissemination of juggled numbers doesn't change to real flesh and blood facts of this campaign, jewtorrney.

This weekend, I noticed that easily 95% of the people around me were avid McCain supporters. The only person openly supporting Obama was one guy.

And there were 11 guys supporting various indepedent candidates, 3rd parties, militias, secession movements, and the Sacred Sword Wielding Falcons of Christ Almighty.

So, good luck, pal. Gun show sample populations don't lie.

Jewtorney. I like that. *pockets phrase for use later*

The McCain supporters can't be Muslim. I heard they were decent, America-loving people with strong moral character.

Kapow! :D

this weekend, i noticed that easily 95% of the people around me were avid mccain supporters. The only person openly supporting obama was one guy.

. . . . . You

But Missouri is just oddness. Whereas in Ohio Rasmussen had Obama and Suffolk had McCain, in Missouri, Rasmussen puts it at McCain +1, but Suffolk has Missouri at Obama +9. Figure that one the hell out.

*snip*

Missouri would do the trick too...but who knows what the hell is going on in Missouri

Yay! We're weird! http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-dance_male.gif

. . . . . You

No, I didn't have the courage to openly support Obama, and I don't own any pro-Bama articles of clothing.

But then, I was just there to get a carry piece, wound up with a nice jew gun. Baby Desert Eagle in .40.

God bless Israeli Military Industries. And Hebrew National Hot Dogs.

Yay! We're weird! http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-dance_male.gif

You're from Missouri? What, are you going to school there, are you in the peace corp or something? (Yes, Missouri is not technically a third world country, it was a bad joke....look I said I was sorry, calm down.)

No, I didn't have the courage to openly support Obama, and I don't own any pro-Bama articles of clothing.

But then, I was just there to get a carry piece, wound up with a nice jew gun. Baby Desert Eagle in .40.

God bless Israeli Military Industries. And Hebrew National Hot Dogs.

Real Americans (TM) eat American National Hot Dogs.

You're from Missouri? What, are you going to school there, are you in the peace corp or something? (Yes, Missouri is not technically a third world country, it was a bad joke....look I said I was sorry, calm down.)

Born and raised here, walrus-licker. :tongue:

Haha!!! Awesome title i reckon. But at the moment I sit down to watch the new and 15 out of the 30 minutes is on Obama v McCain. THis is in Australia. Cant imagine what the people in America might be going through...
In the US, absolutely nothing else is happening and nothing and no one else exists in the whole world. I can't wait for this to be over.

I keep hoping you're wrong, but then I find things like this (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=307949).

This is Fayetteville, NC, home of Fort Bragg. This isn't the work of Republican activists, it's young redneck punks thinking they're cool. Dollars to donuts that any soldiers who'd happened upon the scene would have beat the shit out of the jerks, even if they planned to pull the Republican Party straight ticket.

You can't stop fucktards from being fucktards or breeding more fucktards, and there are just as many Democratic fucktards in the USA as Republican fucktards. Vent your spleens if you want, but be realistic. The Party didn't have shit to do with this.

This is Fayetteville, NC, home of Fort Bragg. This isn't the work of Republican activists, it's young redneck punks thinking they're cool.

Pretty much this.

Heh...

October 17th, 2007... Obama on Leno.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfzE3eMkJw

I just heard this for the first time, and the scary thing is... the first half of it now forms about 90% of McCain's platform...

In the US, absolutely nothing else is happening and nothing and no one else exists in the whole world. I can't wait for this to be over.

Yeah, turns out over the weekend, SETI recieved a sentient response, the Riemann Hypothesis was solved, CERN punched a hole into an alternate universe from which can be transferred arbitrarily large amounts of easily controlled energy, the Pope converted to Orthodox Judaism, Russia threatened, declared, waged, and lost a war against China, and Tim Gunn got married.

And all anybody could ask was what Joe the Plumber thought about it.

Yeah, turns out over the weekend, SETI recieved a sentient response, the Riemann Hypothesis was solved, CERN punched a hole into an alternate universe from which can be transferred arbitrarily large amounts of easily controlled energy, the Pope converted to Orthodox Judaism, Russia threatened, declared, waged, and lost a war against China, and Tim Gunn got married.

And all anybody could ask was what Joe the Plumber thought about it.

I was giggling during the first paragraph, but your punchline broke me. Hee! :hail:

Yeah, turns out over the weekend, SETI recieved a sentient response, the Riemann Hypothesis was solved, CERN punched a hole into an alternate universe from which can be transferred arbitrarily large amounts of easily controlled energy, the Pope converted to Orthodox Judaism, Russia threatened, declared, waged, and lost a war against China, and Tim Gunn got married.

And all anybody could ask was what Joe the Plumber thought about it.

apparently, he thinks Tim Gunn will raise his taxes.

I was giggling during the first paragraph, but your punchline broke me. Hee! :hail:

A man who can be funny in Missouri can be the President in Texas -Davy Crocket.



I just made that up.

apparently, he thinks Tim Gunn will raise his taxes.

Tim Gunn will make it work.

Well, I now hope there is a black guy on the ballot for every election I ever vote in after I vote for Obama, or I wont be able to vote.


'Once you go black' and all that jazz ;)

Well, I now hope there is a black guy on the ballot for every election I ever vote in after I vote for Obama, or I wont be able to vote.


'Once you go black' and all that jazz ;)

Aw, dude...

Well, I now hope there is a black guy on the ballot for every election I ever vote in after I vote for Obama, or I wont be able to vote.


'Once you go black' and all that jazz ;)

ohhhhh!. . . weak.

Aw, dude...

Im really suprised no one has made this joke yet.

Well, I now hope there is a black guy on the ballot for every election I ever vote in after I vote for Obama, or I wont be able to vote.


'Once you go black' and all that jazz ;)

and once you go democrat you...um...demonstrate that benefiting society as a whole is better for the national prosperity than merely continuing to benefit corporate interest and those who, after succeeding, do not wish to continue to help propagate the system that benefited them.

What? yeah, I know it doesn't rhyme..

Fuck y'all.

and once you go democrat you...um...demonstrate that benefiting society as a whole is better for the national prosperity than merely continuing to benefit corporate interest and those who, after succeeding, do not wish to continue to help propagate the system that benefited them.

What? yeah, I know it doesn't rhyme..

Fuck y'all.

Dont quit your day job.





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Seriously, you probably make way more money doing it.

and once you go democrat you...um...demonstrate that benefiting society as a whole is better for the national prosperity than merely continuing to benefit corporate interest and those who, after succeeding, do not wish to continue to help propagate the system that benefited them.

What? yeah, I know it doesn't rhyme..

Fuck y'all.

Once you go Democratic you feel emphatic?
Once you go left, you won't be bereft?
Once you go Democratic, it's automatic?
Once you vote blue, you'll stay true?

So what (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2008/Oct/20/obama_leaving_campaign_trail_to_visit_grandmother.html) effect will it have? I mean, he's not 'suspending his campaign' a la McCain-Michelle is taking over one of his appearances, everyone else is going on with things, it just won't be Obama for, like, two and a half days. A week and a half before the the election, though. Will it be two days of the most outrageous claims on the trail in the hopes that the news cycle will have already turned over before Obama is back on it? Will the McCain/Palin camp be respectful?

I almost guarantee that some variation of this phrase will be repeated at least a half dozen times, "Our hearts and prayers go out to Mz. Dunham and Obama's family..." by the McCain/Palin camp. The question is will it be followed by some grinding attacks that won't be answered by Obama until Saturday.

So what (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2008/Oct/20/obama_leaving_campaign_trail_to_visit_grandmother.html) effect will it have? I mean, he's not 'suspending his campaign' a la McCain-Michelle is taking over one of his appearances, everyone else is going on with things, it just won't be Obama for, like, two and a half days. A week and a half before the the election, though. Will it be two days of the most outrageous claims on the trail in the hopes that the news cycle will have already turned over before Obama is back on it? Will the McCain/Palin camp be respectful?

I almost guarantee that some variation of this phrase will be repeated at least a half dozen times, "Our hearts and prayers go out to Mz. Dunham and Obama's family..." by the McCain/Palin camp. The question is will it be followed by some grinding attacks that won't be answered by Obama until Saturday.

Although Obama is the top of the totem pole, he's not the only one. His team is more than capable of dealing with his absence for a day and a half, especially in most of the campaign spits being iowa and wisconsin.

Although Obama is the top of the totem pole, he's not the only one. His team is more than capable of dealing with his absence for a day and a half, especially in most of the campaign spits being iowa and wisconsin.

This. All that will happen is that Obama himself will be temporarily absent from the countering while he goes to visit his grandmama.

Whom I hope will be able to recover. :(

Will the McCain/Palin camp be respectful?


Really? With how long this campaigns been, and you still need to ask this? Or was it rhetorical?

This. All that will happen is that Obama himself will be temporarily absent from the countering while he goes to visit his grandmama.

Whom I hope will be able to recover. :(
Very few things would suck more than losing the grandparent that more or less raised you right at the end of your presidential campaign.

And yeah, counterpunching will probably just be done by everyone else. The news cycle is a hungry enough beast that'll they'll get their food from whoever they can find it.

I think it works in Obama's favor. Any attack on his character now by the Republicans can be met with something about how crass and heartless they are for attacking him in his moment of worry.

I think it works in Obama's favor. Any attack on his character now by the Republicans can be met with something about how crass and heartless they are for attacking him in his moment of worry.

I wonder, and this would have to be surragates of surrogates to pull this off, like Limbaugh and below level, if they'll try and jump ahead of it by trying to imply that he's using his grandmother's health for political points.

That'll get people turned off them. I think even the most boneheaded McCain supporter would see through that garbage.

For me the real kicker of this campaign is that there is a political party that believes the best strategy is to keep people from voting.

That's when you've overstayed. If you're a part of the Republican party at this point, you're supporting a concerted effort to disenfranchise your opponents. It's shameful.

That'll get people turned off them. I think even the most boneheaded McCain supporter would see through that garbage.

You underestimate them.

Just a question on US election procedures.

Say Obama or McCain or both died next week then who would be the Presidential nominee for their respective parties?

Does it just drop down to the VP nominee or does the person who came in second at the convention take the spot?

That'll get people turned off them. I think even the most boneheaded McCain supporter would see through that garbage.

I wouldn't be too sure about that (http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-front-yard-confederate-flag-folksiness-sarah.jpg).

I hope they vote Bob Barr instead. I'd love to see McCain get metaphorically punched in the gut by seeing Texas go Libertarian or something.

Ron Paul is on the ballot in Montana...if it doesn't go for Obama, it might not go for McCain either. :tongue:

For me the real kicker of this campaign is that there is a political party that believes the best strategy is to keep people from voting.

That's when you've overstayed. If you're a part of the Republican party at this point, you're supporting a concerted effort to disenfranchise your opponents. It's shameful.

Shameful...

...and, dare I say, Anti-American. :eek:

For me the real kicker of this campaign is that there is a political party that believes the best strategy is to keep people from voting.

That's when you've overstayed. If you're a part of the Republican party at this point, you're supporting a concerted effort to disenfranchise your opponents. It's shameful.

I honestly believe that all the Republicans who are not a fierce member of the religious right--fiscal conservatives, moderate social conservatives, etc--ought to break off and form their own party already. They can just call it the Conservative party or whatever; name doesn't matter.

They're hanging themselves by tying themselves to the extremely vocal minority.

Really, Obama has to go visit his grandma. He would have to for political reasons even if he didn't want to (and I have no doubts that he would have regardless.) McCain can try some kind of blitzkrieg, but if the obama campaign mentions that he is away visiting his sick grandma in their response to any attacks, it will make McCain look horrifically crass.

Also, I think Biden can handle McCain while Obama is away. He's become pretty popular since his nomination.

Just a question on US election procedures.

Say Obama or McCain or both died next week then who would be the Presidential nominee for their respective parties?

Does it just drop down to the VP nominee or does the person who came in second at the convention take the spot?

There's really no hard and fast rules. Most likely the party would throw an emergency nomination meeting, and, depending on circumstances, either nominate the runner up, or the old candidate's running mate.

I wouldn't be too sure about that (http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-front-yard-confederate-flag-folksiness-sarah.jpg).

I...

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Just a question on US election procedures.

Say Obama or McCain or both died next week then who would be the Presidential nominee for their respective parties?

Does it just drop down to the VP nominee or does the person who came in second at the convention take the spot?
It has happened once before; the 1872 election. what happened in that case - anyone know?

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And this is why you don't ever say "Nobody could be that stupid."

That is a direct challenge to the universe to prove you wrong.

It has happened once before; the 1872 election. what happened in that case - anyone know?

not quite the same. Greeley died after the popular election, but before the electors actually cast their ballots. By then the actual election was over and it was clear Grant had won, Greeley merely died before the electors met to officially elect the president.

And this is why you don't ever say "Nobody could be that stupid."

That is a direct challenge to the universe to prove you wrong.
Case in point. (http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-barack-obama-negotiates-terriors.jpg)

Case in point. (http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-barack-obama-negotiates-terriors.jpg)

win

win

No, that was funny.

THIS is win. (http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-arnold-schwarzenegger-definition-irony-conservative-complaints-foreigners-jobs.jpg) Also, this. (http://punditkitchen.com/2008/10/03/political-pictures-barack-obama-left-other-black-guy/)

Once you go Democratic you feel emphatic?
Once you go left, you won't be bereft?
Once you go Democratic, it's automatic?
Once you vote blue, you'll stay true?

Once you vote Dem, you become one of them?

Once you vote Dem, you become one of them?

No escape. No escape. No escape. :eek:

Case in point. (http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-barack-obama-negotiates-terriors.jpg)

Neo may say win, but I don't get it.

But the one where the black man was left behind I think was the funniest.

There's really no hard and fast rules. Most likely the party would throw an emergency nomination meeting, and, depending on circumstances, either nominate the runner up, or the old candidate's running mate.

K, thanks.

It has happened once before; the 1872 election. what happened in that case - anyone know?
Some of the electors felt honor-bound to vote for Greeley anyhow; others scattered their votes. It didn't matter, since Grant had a solid majority, but when Congress counted the votes, they ruled that the votes for a dead man cannot be received.

Just spotted this:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

This is Fayetteville, NC, home of Fort Bragg.
Commonly called "Fayettenam" by other North Carolinians.
This isn't the work of Republican activists, it's young redneck punks thinking they're cool. Dollars to donuts that any soldiers who'd happened upon the scene would have beat the shit out of the jerks, even if they planned to pull the Republican Party straight ticket.
Truth.
there are just as many Democratic fucktards in the USA as Republican fucktards.
Bullshit.

Just spotted this:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

That's fun! :)

Just spotted this:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/
Oh my God! Do not open the door too often! D=

Just spotted this:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

Ya I posted that all over facebook. BTW DONT ANSWER THE PHONE!!!

Just spotted this:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/


:D :hail:

Heh, yeah, I posted that on GM a few days ago. Be sure to click on the drip from the ceiling; that's an easy one to miss and it's hilarious.

The second opening of the door is my favorite, though. :)

Ok so today Mcain claimed that Obama was unswise to root for the Phillies in Philadelphia, and the rays in tampa. When in reality what Obama said is that he would show the Rays some love not that he would root for them. Mcain also called Pensylvania a swing state, and said Obama was unwise to lie about who he is rooting for in two swing states. Then went on to compare Obama's baseball comments to his tax plan. My thought is Pensylvania a swing state are you kidding me.
Your thoughts please

And they're off! Voting and shit!

Malfunctions left some voters wondering Monday if their vote would count, while election officials throughout Northeast Florida were slammed with record early voting turnouts.

Early voting started Monday and continues through the weekend before Election Day at select locations.

Jerry Holland, Duval County supervisor of elections, said seven out of 15 optical scan machines were replaced on Monday as a result of problems with the machines rejecting ballots.

"We're looking at everything," said Holland, who said the humidity, the paper or the machine may have been factors.

Problems with the machines occurred throughout Duval County, including Gateway mall, Webb Wesconnett, Mandarin, Highlands, Regency Square and Bradham-Brooks Northwest libraries, according to officials.
Link (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/102108/met_346558173.shtml)

Voters were not the only ones frustrated. Duval County Supervisor of Elections Jerry Holland said his staff had to replace optical scanners at four sites and they were investigating reports of problems at other sites.

"The reader said the ballot is too long. However, in looking at that, we measured that, there's not a problem," Duval County Supervisor of Elections Jerry Holland said. "It doesn't stop the voters from voting, because we can put them in an emergency bin and then read them tonight when we close it, but obviously it's frustrating when we bought new equipment for this and we are having some problems that didn't show up at all during testing."

While voters could continue to cast ballots and put them in the emergency bin, they were uncomfortable not seeing their vote registered.

Demetria McWhite decided to come back later when the machines were working rather than trust election workers to feed her ballot into the machine after she was gone.

"I'm kind of nervous about it, you know -- that my vote won't go to the right person," said Annie Fingh.

Late Monday, election officials said a total of seven ballot scanning machines malfunctioned and had to be replaced. Ten more were ordered from the manufacturer as backups.
Linkity (http://www.news4jax.com/politics/17760842/detail.html)

Three Putnam County voters say electronic voting machines changed their votes from Democrats to Republicans when they cast early ballots last week.

This is the second West Virginia county where voters have reported this problem. Last week, three voters in Jackson County told The Charleston Gazette their electronic vote for "Barack Obama" kept flipping to "John McCain".

In both counties, Republicans are responsible for overseeing elections. Both county clerks said the problem is isolated.

They also blamed voters for not being more careful.

"People make mistakes more than machines," said Jackson County Clerk Jeff Waybright.

Shelba Ketchum, a 69-year-old nurse retired from Thomas Memorial Hospital, described what happened Friday at the Putnam County Courthouse in Winfield.

"I pushed buttons and they all came up Republican," she said. "I hit Obama and it switched to McCain. I am really concerned about that. If McCain wins, there was something wrong with the machines.

"I asked them for a printout of my votes," Ketchum said. "But they said it was in the machine and I could not get it. I did not feel right when I left the courthouse. My son felt the same way.

"I heard from some other people they also had trouble. But no one in there knew how to fix it," said Ketchum, who is not related to Menis Ketchum, a Democratic Supreme Court candidate.

Ketchum's son, Chris, said he had the same problem. And Bobbi Oates of Scott Depot said her vote for incumbent Democratic Sen. John D. Rockefeller was switched to GOP opponent Jay Wolfe.

"I touched the one I wanted, Rockefeller, and the machine put a checkmark on the Republican instead," Oates said of her experience Thursday.

She said she caught the mistake, called over a worker in the county clerk's office and was able to correct her vote. But she worries other voters may not catch such a mistake.

When asked if she is sure she touched the box for Rockefeller, she said, "I'm absolutely positive."

Putnam County Clerk Brian Wood said on Saturday that he is upset there are "so many negative stories out there and not enough positive ones. We want people to vote. People need to know the facts.

"But we haven't had any major issues. We try to explain to voters how the machines work then they come in," Wood said.
linky (http://wvgazette.com/News/200810180251)

Fun! :wink:

PA has a 10 point lead for Obama, two weeks before an election. There's no way it's going republican.

McCain's strategy of effectively abandoning blue leaning western states and focusing on flipping PA is a poor one.

Ok so today Mcain claimed that Obama was unswise to root for the Phillies in Philadelphia, and the rays in tampa.

McCain certainly isn't above such things himself. Of course, I think this is why McCain gave up in Michigan.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2008/08/29/story_mccain_email.html?sid=102

aaaand that gave me a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach. I was against electronic voting machines from the beginning for this very reason (and so was everyone in tech that I knew at the time.)

Funny how these "errors" only seem to happen favoring the republican candidate.

aaaand that gave me a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach. I was against electronic voting machines from the beginning for this very reason (and so was everyone in tech that I knew at the time.)

Funny how these "errors" only seem to happen favoring the republican candidate.
Yeah, ain't that weird? Must have to do with astrology or something.

*commences getting really mad*

The polls say McCain should be asking for electoral advice, not giving it...

Funny how these "errors" only seem to happen favoring the republican candidate.

Perhaps the democratic errors are just better at not being discovered ;) ?

In Nevada we have the AVC Edge Touch Screens. I've been looking for problems attributed to them but can't find any. *a bit relieved*

aaaand that gave me a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach. I was against electronic voting machines from the beginning for this very reason (and so was everyone in tech that I knew at the time.)

Funny how these "errors" only seem to happen favoring the republican candidate.

This should shock no one. It happened in 2004 and arguably in 2000.


I dont understand why people arent flipping the fuck out over this. This is blatant corruption. How can people support a party that is this bad?

This should shock no one. It happened in 2004 and arguably in 2000.


I dont understand why people arent flipping the fuck out over this. This is blatant corruption. How can people support a party that is this bad?

Well if they don't a *gasp* black guy might win the presidency!

Well if they don't a *gasp* black guy might win the presidency!

Less to do with racism, more to do with ignorance and self interest. Obama will raise taxes on the rich.

In Nevada we have the AVC Edge Touch Screens. I've been looking for problems attributed to them but can't find any. *a bit relieved*
Do they print out a paper receipt that can be used to audit the results?

Less to do with racism, more to do with ignorance and self interest. Obama will raise taxes on the rich.

So unless your rich vote Obama, and if your rich chances are you dont really need the money.:D

So unless your rich vote Obama
Unless you think the most important thing is to prevent same-sex couples from getting abortions :D

This should shock no one. It happened in 2004 and arguably in 2000.


I dont understand why people arent flipping the fuck out over this. This is blatant corruption. How can people support a party that is this bad?

Because "both parties are equally guilty it's true south park said so".

Just spotted this:

http://www.palinaspresident.us/

I burst out laughing when Herrerasaurus started walking past the windows.

Yes I recognized the artwork that was used. I'm a geek.

Less to do with racism, more to do with ignorance and self interest. Obama will raise taxes on the rich.

I'd believe that were true if the Republicans showed any economic sense whatsoever. Looking at how the economy does better under Democrats, I have a hard time with that one. Such a small portion of the economy will have their taxes raised, anyway.

Do they print out a paper receipt that can be used to audit the results?

Yes, and you get to look it over before you allow your vote to be submitted.

Once you go Democratic you feel emphatic?
Once you go left, you won't be bereft?
Once you go Democratic, it's automatic?
Once you vote blue, you'll stay true?

Once you vote Obama, he'll compliment yo momma?

Because "both parties are equally guilty it's true south park said so".

South Park only said so because they're Republicans.

I'd believe that were true if the Republicans showed any economic sense whatsoever. Looking at how the economy does better under Democrats, I have a hard time with that one. Such a small portion of the economy will have their taxes raised, anyway.
I know people who are absolutely convinced that raising taxes will completely destroy the economy.

I burst out laughing when Herrerasaurus started walking past the windows.

Yes I recognized the artwork that was used. I'm a geek.

You notice the stock ticker? Teen Pregnancy ^ 4000

I know people who are absolutely convinced that raising taxes will completely destroy the economy.

Because they have no idea what they are talking about.

Once you vote Obama, he'll compliment yo momma?

Vote Obama Unless You Like Drama

Vote Obama Unless You Like Drama

If you don't vote Obama, Palin'll be your momma?

If you don't vote Obama, Palin'll be your momma?

You know you want to vote for Barack, because he has a horse sized cock.

Yes, and you get to look it over before you allow your vote to be submitted.
I have no problem with that. It's the uncheckable machines that outright invent election theft.

I have no problem with that. It's the uncheckable machines that outright invent election theft.

agreed - it wasn't a bad system. The only thing I would have liked better is if I could take a receipt of my votes with me. Especially if there was a reference number I could type in on a page online that would verify that that is indeed what they recorded for me.

The only thing I would have liked better is if I could take a receipt of my votes with me.
The concern is that this would make paying for votes possible.

What do you mean?

October Surprise!

God supports Obama and is going to send UFO's to prove it:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1395924.htm

October Surprise!

God supports Obama and is going to send UFO's to prove it:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1395924.htm


I'll be there to film it when it happens.

My wife and I will be voting for McCain.

And they're off! Voting and shit!


Link (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/102108/met_346558173.shtml)


Linkity (http://www.news4jax.com/politics/17760842/detail.html)


linky (http://wvgazette.com/News/200810180251)

Fun! :wink:

Oh that's not good.

Everyone remember to check your machine actually votes for who you want it to vote for.

My wife and I will be voting for McCain.

You might. One assumes your wife actually has a mind of her own.

My wife and I will be voting for McCain.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/Youre-a-MONSTER.jpg

Fortunately, McCain's newly found "base"--apparently comprised of the religious right and the KKK-- is a group that rejected him and which he rejected during the race against Bush. Luckily for the USA, the moderate and conservative intellectual Republicans are rejecting McCain and the McCain/Palin tactics, just as General Powell, a Republican, rejected McCain and the McCain/Palin platform. The USA has now seen the McCain/Palin brand of divisiveness before, are sick of and savvy to it, and the majority of the people, the middle class, have had no benefit from "Reaganism", "trickle down" theories and have lost too many of their children in a pointless war in which "Mission Accomplished" was declared years ago. Goodbye Republicans--GOBAMAWIN!!!!!

You might. One assumes your wife actually has a mind of her own.

Nonsense, everyone knows Republican women do as they're told. Right?

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/Youre-a-MONSTER.jpg


cute

Fortunately, McCain's newly found "base"--apparently comprised of the religious right and the KKK-- is a group that rejected him and which he rejected during the race against Bush. Luckily for the USA, the moderate and conservative intellectual Republicans are rejecting McCain and the McCain/Palin tactics, just as General Powell, a Republican, rejected McCain and the McCain/Palin platform. The USA has now seen the McCain/Palin brand of divisiveness before, are sick of and savvy to it, and the majority of the people, the middle class, have had no benefit from "Reaganism", "trickle down" theories and have lost too many of their children in a pointless war in which "Mission Accomplished" was declared years ago. Goodbye Republicans--GOBAMAWIN!!!!!

Ooh a puppet!

Nonsense, everyone knows Republican women do as they're told. Right?

I was going to make a comment about how being Republican is kinda like being a pervert - in that, just because you MARRY a pervert, doesn't mean you ARE one.... but I decided not to because some Republican somewhere would take it as a flame.

Instead, I'll point out that perhaps some Republican wives are Republican-on-paper, and nod, and mouth the right platitudes to their Republican husbands... but vote according to their consciences...

Ooh a puppet!

Yeah, but a puppet with a cool name... :)

I was going to make a comment about how being Republican is kinda like being a pervert - in that, just because you MARRY a pervert, doesn't mean you ARE one.... but I decided not to because some Republican somewhere would take it as a flame.

Instead, I'll point out that perhaps some Republican wives are Republican-on-paper, and nod, and mouth the right platitudes to their Republican husbands... but vote according to their consciences...

Oh yes hunny, McCain is a gr *suppresses gag reflex* great man and will make a wonderful... ugh, excuse me I have to hit the restroom real quick like.

Oh yes hunny, McCain is a gr *suppresses gag reflex* great man and will make a wonderful... ugh, excuse me I have to hit the restroom real quick like.

If I learned anything from the Bastard Fairies, it's that people will say whatever is necessary to get through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edloQNR6-TQ

:D

If I learned anything from the Bastard Fairies, it's that people will say whatever is necessary to get through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edloQNR6-TQ

:D

She's hot!

Oh wait, she's singing something....


I'd do her even if she was a Republican. ;)

If I learned anything from the Bastard Fairies, it's that people will say whatever is necessary to get through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edloQNR6-TQ

:D
A woman with a certain kind of husband doesn't even have to say it. All she has to do is say nothing. He'll just assume she's doing what he wants.

On the other hand, there's this story:
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2008/10/27/081027sh_shouts_sedaris?currentPage=1

(starts out being about undecided voters, but gets into a story about his mom voting the way his dad told her to.)

She's hot!

Oh wait, she's singing something....

I'd do her even if she was a Republican. ;)

What was it Jesus said? "There is no greater love, than to do a girl even if she's a Republican"?

Or was it "With great power comes great responsibility"? One of the two, I'm sure.

But, yeah - she is hot. I've always had a soft spot for the Native American women. (*Leaves out obvious "but it's getting harder all the time" punchline*)

What was it Jesus said? "There is no greater love, than to do a girl even if she's a Republican"?

Or was it "With great power comes great responsibility"? One of the two, I'm sure.

But, yeah - she is hot. I've always had a soft spot for the Native American women. (*Leaves out obvious "but it's getting harder all the time" punchline*)

Jesus would have tapped that

A woman with a certain kind of husband doesn't even have to say it. All she has to do is say nothing. He'll just assume she's doing what he wants.

On the other hand, there's this story:
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2008/10/27/081027sh_shouts_sedaris?currentPage=1

(starts out being about undecided voters, but gets into a story about his mom voting the way his dad told her to.)

Ah, Got to love David Sedaris. :)

Yeah, but a puppet with a cool name... :)

Many Thanks for the Compliment--I wish I knew what being a "puppet" meant--but if it means that I don't buy the hogwash-swill dished out by the McCain/Palin platform and their racist, McCarthyist followers, then indeed, I am a "PUPPET"--with a capital "P" (and without pinnochio's nose I might add)!

:hail::hail::hail:GOBAMAWIN!!!!!:hail::hail::hail:

Jesus would have tapped that

Mary would have tapped that. :)

Many Thanks for the Compliment--I wish I knew what being a "puppet" meant--but if it means that I don't buy the hogwash-swill dished out by the McCain/Palin platform and their racist, McCarthyist followers, then indeed, I am a "PUPPET"--with a capital "P" (and without pinnochio's nose I might add)!

:hail::hail::hail:GOBAMAWIN!!!!!:hail::hail::hail:

'Puppet' = forum speak for second account (or third, fifth, eleventh, etc), often used to post on forums either for the purpose of expressing unpopular or controversial things, or for trolling.

Mary would have tapped that. :)

muwahahahahaha
:fluffle:

Joe Biden needs to put his words about a crisis to test Obama into context for that dumb attack dog Palin, And tell her where to put it after he is done.

Oh that's not good.

Everyone remember to check your machine actually votes for who you want it to vote for.

If only I could. Of course, even if the screen shows all the check marks in the right place, my state legislature kindly ensured that I have no paper record - and neither do they!

'Puppet' = forum speak for second account (or third, fifth, eleventh, etc), often used to post on forums either for the purpose of expressing unpopular or controversial things, or for trolling.

Aha--is there another "GOBAMAWIN" account? Not mine, I assure you--and I didn't start the post/forum on McCain either!:eek2::eek:

Aha--is there another "GOBAMAWIN" account?

No, that's not how it works. They were saying you are an alternate account of one of our regulars, which you aren't. You're just a new voice on the forums. Welcome to the game.

No, that's not how it works. They were saying you are an alternate account of one of our regulars, which you aren't. You're just a new voice on the forums. Welcome to the game.

I wasn't really saying he/she was a puppet, just that he/she had a cool name.

While it was always a possibility of puppetry, I probably wouldn't have sketched out a rough 'definition' of puppetyness to someone I genuinely thought was a puppet.

Instead, I'd have said something biting and witty... like 'well, you can't fly either'.

No, that's not how it works. They were saying you are an alternate account of one of our regulars, which you aren't. You're just a new voice on the forums. Welcome to the game.

Thank you for your many explanations and your greeting. :) To continue my education, can you tell me does "trolling" have something to do with those ugly dolls with googly eyes and pink and green hair, or does it have something to do with fishing? I don't know the meaning of that term either! Perhaps it is an income generator for my new nationstate :hail::hail::hail:GOBAMAWIN!!!!????????:hail::hail::hail:

To continue my education ...

You'll want to read the Forum Rules posts in the One Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023). The various illegalities of internet forums are defined pretty well there.

You also might want to cut back on your smiley usage. You'll notice that most of the long-time players don't use them. They're cute for a few minutes, but they get old fast. Thanks.

Joe Biden needs to put his words about a crisis to test Obama into context for that dumb attack dog Palin, And tell her where to put it after he is done.
its too late. its been taken out of context and it will never be put back.

You also might want to cut back on your smiley usage. You'll notice that most of the long-time players don't use them.

Most of em. ;)

You also might want to cut back on your smiley usage. You'll notice that most of the long-time players don't use them. They're cute for a few minutes, but they get old fast. Thanks.

Smilies are only useful when you say something that, if without smilies, would constitute trolling. Stupid. :wink:

:eek:

Here's today's new set of polling data:

By and large a good day for Obama. McCain is up in one poll (Battlegrounds), Obama is up in four (Zogby, Gallup, Pew, and TIPP) and 3 more (Rasmussen, Reasearch 2000, and ABC/Post) have remained unchanged.

However, looking at a few of them, he's leading as high as +14 in the Pew poll, but as low as +1 in Battlegrounds (the hell?). Presuming these are both extreme ends of the outlier spectrum, and we can ignore them, means Obama raised his standing in 3 polls today, and stayed the same in 3.

Among Rasmussen, Research 2000, and ABC/Post, he is unchanged at +4, +9 and +9 respectively (Research 2000 and ABC/Post were at the high end of the Obama spectrum last night, the fact that they're unchanged today, while still calling their numbers questionable, at least suggests the poll is reliable enough to not suffer rapid changes

In the polls he has raised in, Zogby, Gallup, and TIPP (ignoring the outlandish +14 of Pew) he is now at +8, +10 and +6. Thus other than the somewhat conservative Rasmussen (+4) and the outlandish Battleground (+1), no poll has him below a 6 point lead, and that seems to be about where he's settled.

Another reason not ot trust battleground is they're a 5 day polling methodology that skips weekends. In yesterday's poll Obama was at +4. Yesterday's poll results covered October 13, 14, 15, 16, 19. Todays covered 14, 15, 16, 19, 20. Between yesterday and today the poll changed 3 points.

Both polls utilized the exact same data on the 14, 15, 16, and 19. Today's lost 13 and added 20. Which suggests that either Obama polled HUGELY well on the 13th, or McCain polled HUGELY well on the 20th. In fact, to effectuate a 3 point change over 1 day, the difference between the 13th and the 20th would have to be on the order of McCain being about 15 points higher on the 20th than on the 13th. Since NOBODY has seen ANYTHING like this happening, and since, prior to this, Battlegrounds was fairly accurate (suggesting that the 13th was not an unusually pro Obama day) it suggests that their polling on the 20th was a statistical abnormality of unusually high McCain support. It will, unfortunately skew Battlegrounds for the rest of the week, and shoot their reliability to hell.

As for state polls, nothing too shocking, and generally good for Obama. McCain is leading in pretty much all the plaes you'd expect him to lead. But Obama has narrow leads in important places. Colorado is at +5, and Florida (!) at +1. Indiana is at a razor thin +2 (seriously, what's with Obama tying up these red states? if you watch the electoral map states start going from red paler and paler, and when one starts to flip into blue, the one NEXT to it starts going pale. It's like a damned virus). Where three polls out of North Carolina (fucking hell, north carolina of all places?) show him at +3, +1, and tied, respectively.

Poll also shows nevada a tie. Booo.

Encouraging is a posted +10 lead in PA. If that's accurate and McCain wants to flip PA, assuming a 3 point Bradly factor in his favor, that's still half a point a day, every day, from now until the election. Not likely.

Damn my state to hell!

Joe Biden needs to put his words about a crisis to test Obama into context for that dumb attack dog Palin, And tell her where to put it after he is done.

Too late, no one will believe him now.

Too late, no one will believe him now.

What are you talking about. All he needs to do is point out is that every president has been presented some kind of crisis early in their first presidency. That would be putting it into perspective.

Then you tell Palin where to put it.

Then you tell Palin where to put it.
No, you don't, because that would be the kind of immature behavior we're sick and tired of.

What do you mean?As things stand, it is useless for someone to offer you $100 to vote for McCain (or Obama), because you could say you would and vote for Obama (or McCain; or Nader or Barr or leave it blank or whatever), and they couldn't tell; they could only tell if you did in fact go to the polls.
But you say you want a receipt that you can keep, showing who you voted for. That would suddenly make paying for votes practical (or worse, threatening people with loss of their jobs, or violence, unless they can show they voted the right way, which is the concern that led to the adoption of the secret ballot in the first place).

The campaign in North Carolina (all tied up, most likely candidate for The Contentious 2008 Recount) remains the ugliest (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/21/dnt.nc.obama.dead.bear.wlos) in the nation.

O'rielly was on in the cafeteria where I'm eating and was really pissed off about this internet video where a bunch of young women, ranging in age from maybe as young as 12 to as old as 16 or so, give an open statement about Sarah Palin and her banning of books, the rape rate in Alaska, etc. Bill O was mostly angry that it was young people doing this (and while I admit, the twelve year old was pushing it, she only talked about book banning, a concept I also understood at age 12.)

Of course, his guest tried to deny everything they were saying.

You watch O'Reilly when you're EATING? How do you hold anything down?

You watch O'Reilly when you're EATING? How do you hold anything down?

I watched it while carrying my food to my table, where I sat down facing away from the TV. There's no other way to survive it.

As things stand, it is useless for someone to offer you $100 to vote for McCain (or Obama), because you could say you would and vote for Obama (or McCain; or Nader or Barr or leave it blank or whatever), and they couldn't tell; they could only tell if you did in fact go to the polls.
But you say you want a receipt that you can keep, showing who you voted for. That would suddenly make paying for votes practical (or worse, threatening people with loss of their jobs, or violence, unless they can show they voted the right way, which is the concern that led to the adoption of the secret ballot in the first place).

The campaign in North Carolina (all tied up, most likely candidate for The Contentious 2008 Recount) remains the ugliest (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/21/dnt.nc.obama.dead.bear.wlos) in the nation.

so do you think they would stop you from taking a picture/video of your receipt with a cell phone cam?

that is so fucked about shooting a bear cub to make a statement against Obama!

damn

No, you don't, because that would be the kind of immature behavior we're sick and tired of.

I didn't mean you actually say shove it Palin. What I meant was you give a scathing speech about her remarks. Altough that would be funny to see Biden say that.

its too late. its been taken out of context and it will never be put back.

I think McCains response about being ready to take orders during the Cuban Missile Crisis to fly a plane was pretty silly.

Sitting on an aircraft carrier is just like being President. Thank goodness for the current wars. Think of all the people we're qualifying to be President. Not just qualifying, but it's just like they've already been President in a crisis.

Sitting on an aircraft carrier is just like being President. Thank goodness for the current wars. Think of all the people we're qualifying to be President. Not just qualifying, but it's just like they've already been President in a crisis.

You're glib, Jocabia. You're being glib.

The fact is, service as a pilot is tremendous evidence for someone's fitness to make sound decisions and exhibit executive leadership. Anybody, and I mean anybody, with a background in combat aviation, deserves a high role in the government.

Just look at Hermann Goering.

So Sara Palin thinks the VP is in charge of the Senate. I wonder if she is somehow a distant relative of Alexander Haig? Roflmao! :tongue::D:tongue:

You know you want to vote for Barack, because he has a horse sized cock.

If you vote for Barack you must be on crack.
If you vote for McCain you have no brain.

Thought I better do both lest people decide to attack me for a joke.

So Sara Palin thinks the VP is in charge of the Senate. I wonder if she is somehow a distant relative of Alexander Haig? Roflmao! :tongue::D:tongue:

Wait What? I thought the VP was the head of the Senate? ISn't that why third in line for the Presidental position is the head of Congress?

Both polls utilized the exact same data on the 14, 15, 16, and 19. Today's lost 13 and added 20. Which suggests that either Obama polled HUGELY well on the 13th, or McCain polled HUGELY well on the 20th. In fact, to effectuate a 3 point change over 1 day, the difference between the 13th and the 20th would have to be on the order of McCain being about 15 points higher on the 20th than on the 13th. Since NOBODY has seen ANYTHING like this happening, and since, prior to this, Battlegrounds was fairly accurate (suggesting that the 13th was not an unusually pro Obama day) it suggests that their polling on the 20th was a statistical abnormality of unusually high McCain support.
That's to be expected. Polls are done at 95% CI, which means approx 1 in 20 polls are going to give some unlandish, totally unreliable data.
I daresay this was that 1 in 20.

My wife and I will be voting for McCain.
You're letting her out of the kitchen to go vote?
That's very big of you. I'm sure she'll enjoy the experience.

You're letting her out of the kitchen to go vote?
That's very big of you. I'm sure she'll enjoy the experience.

Damnit. You beat me to it.

Damnit. You beat me to it.
gotta be quicker!
I must say, the poster certainly lives up to his NS name.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-21-early-voting_N.htm


Buwhahahaha.


Looks like if early voting is anything to go by, Obama is living up to his poll numbers.

Eat shit McCain.


EDIT: http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/10/21/now-obamas-got-colin-powell-and-google/

Haha. Google endorses Obama.

October Surprise!

God supports Obama and is going to send UFO's to prove it:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1395924.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-21-early-voting_N.htm


Buwhahahaha.


Looks like if early voting is anything to go by, Obama is living up to his poll numbers.

Eat shit McCain.


EDIT: http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/10/21/now-obamas-got-colin-powell-and-google/

Haha. Google endorses Obama.

This only makes me more worried about complacency.

Wait What? I thought the VP was the head of the Senate? ISn't that why third in line for the Presidental position is the head of Congress?

In modern practice the Vice President doesn’t really control the Senate. … If anyone has a responsibility to try to govern the Senate, it’s the responsibility of the two leaders.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/21/palin-vp-senate/

Wait What? I thought the VP was the head of the Senate? ISn't that why third in line for the Presidental position is the head of Congress?
No. The VP is "President of the Senate," a primarily ceremonial position that requires them to sometimes bang a gavel and sit silent and listen to the Senate debate stuff -- kind of like a lurker on NSG. If there is a tie vote in the Senate, the VP will cast the deciding vote. That very rarely happens.

Bible Spice seems to be under the impression that the VP goes down to the Senate and cajoles, finagles, or strongarms the Senators into supporting the King -- I mean the President's agenda, shaping policy to be whatever Dear Leader wants.

She is wrong. The VP has absolutely zero authority in regard to what the Senate does. Of course, the VP has the right to express an opinion -- just like all citizens do -- but the Senate is not required to pay any attention.