NationStates Jolt Archive

Did you have to use that despicable source. I mean look at some of the comments....

"24. jeremy4883 | 10.21.08

What confuses me is both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have repeatedly said they would raise taxes on companies like Google and people like Mr. Schmidt. “Spread the wealth”………. Silly liberal facsits! They’re so crazy!"

"25. Johnny | 10.21.08

Thank you Google for Endorsing Obama. I will now switch my opening page to Yahoo or some other search engine. Expect others to do the same."

"16. Meno | 10.21.08

Joel Said: “I don’t care who endorse or not [should be “don’t care who endorses him”], I am not buying Obama or Osama"
You'll be hardpressed right now to find an online source with less idiotic comments attached.

This only makes me more worried about complacency.
not really. If that many are turning up to vote already - and some are saying up to 1/3 will vote early this time round, it can indicate that people are really wanting change this time round. So it's an encouraging sign more than anything.

October Surprise!

God supports Obama and is going to send UFO's to prove it:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1395924.htm

There is no way for us to know whether that article is flawed until Oct 31.

This only makes me more worried about complacency.

This election Im not so worried. Especially with McCain constantly claiming how close it is. I think the vast majority of America is buying it.

I can say proudly I early voted today. My folks did as well. We all went and voted for Obama. heh. That's three votes for Obama in the state of Nevada. :)

This election Im not so worried. Especially with McCain constantly claiming how close it is. I think the vast majority of America is buying it.

The thing that encourages me is that Obama keeps telling his campaign to worry, reminding them that the games not over until the final whistle.

The thing that encourages me is that Obama keeps telling his campaign to worry, reminding them that the games not over until the final whistle.

And the lines for early voting are loooong. Although it didn't take too long to vote where I was. I was impressed. All the voteing machines were booked and I had to wait for one to open up. I never saw such a scene before in all my life. Not even during the 2004 election. I think this bodes better for Obama than it does for McCain. But....it's not over tlll it's over.

The campaign in North Carolina (all tied up, most likely candidate for The Contentious 2008 Recount) remains the ugliest (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/21/dnt.nc.obama.dead.bear.wlos) in the nation.

That was horrible.

Also horrible: ads being played before videos you want to see. It's annoying enough on television, god damn it. I don't want to watch ads on a bloody internet news site when all I want is the news! GOD! :headbang:

You're glib, Jocabia. You're being glib.

The fact is, service as a pilot is tremendous evidence for someone's fitness to make sound decisions and exhibit executive leadership. Anybody, and I mean anybody, with a background in combat aviation, deserves a high role in the government.

Just look at Hermann Goering.

You win the interwebtubes. Hermann Goering jokes simply do not happen anywhere near often enough.

No. The VP is "President of the Senate," a primarily ceremonial position that requires them to sometimes bang a gavel and sit silent and listen to the Senate debate stuff -- kind of like a lurker on NSG. If there is a tie vote in the Senate, the VP will cast the deciding vote. That very rarely happens.

Bible Spice seems to be under the impression that the VP goes down to the Senate and cajoles, finagles, or strongarms the Senators into supporting the King -- I mean the President's agenda, shaping policy to be whatever Dear Leader wants.

She is wrong. The VP has absolutely zero authority in regard to what the Senate does. Of course, the VP has the right to express an opinion -- just like all citizens do -- but the Senate is not required to pay any attention.

In practice, however, the VP often is the voice of the President for the Senate. It's one of the President's primary channels to the legislature, to push his or her agenda.

That's why choosing someone like Biden was such a good idea, because Biden, who is extremely familiar with the Senate, can encourage Senators to listen to him so much more than, say, Palin would be able to.

You'll be hardpressed right now to find an online source with less idiotic comments attached.

"Liberal facsits"? So either they're talking about liberal fascists--an oxymoron if I've ever heard one--or liberals that sit on facts, which gives me an odd image of Nancy Pelosi sleeping on a stack of encyclopedias balancing on a pea.

"Liberal facsits"? So either they're talking about liberal fascists--an oxymoron if I've ever heard one--or liberals that sit on facts, which gives me an odd image of Nancy Pelosi sleeping on a stack of encyclopedias balancing on a pea.

The worst part is that everyone here in San Francisco has to take turns hiding the pea...

The worst part is that everyone here in San Francisco has to take turns hiding the pea...
Don't forget the cost of the brand you need to buy...$30 a freakin' can...

You'll be hardpressed right now to find an online source with less idiotic comments attached.

I don’t care who endorse or not, I am not buying Obama or Osama who ever. I don’t use google very often anyway and I don’t watch Operah ether. American should be more smarter than 5th grade. Last 2 year, Democrat control in the House and did not change much. Do you think Obama can change that?


Damn it, I blow out more Irony Meters on this site...:headbang:

Here's a fun fact: If elected, John McCain would only be the second President in US History to be a graduate of the US Naval Academy. The first was Jimmy Carter who graduated in the top 10% of his class(instead of the bottom 1%).

:)

Here's a fun fact: If elected, John McCain would only be the second President in US History to be a graduate of the US Naval Academy. The first was Jimmy Carter who graduated in the top 10% of his class(instead of the bottom 1%).

:)

Well we all know how bad Jimmy Carter was so we had better not let him in.

However, isn't the US Naval Academy to rain officers for the US Navy? If that is correct wasn't JFK an officer in the US Navy, which means he should have gone through the US Naval Academy?

Well we all know how bad Jimmy Carter was so we had better not let him in.

However, isn't the US Naval Academy to rain officers for the US Navy? If that is correct wasn't JFK an officer in the US Navy, which means he should have gone through the US Naval Academy?

The US Naval Academy, more specifically is a 4 year school equivalent to a college that gives students a thorough education AND military training at the same time. Many military officers graduated from other colleges either via military scholarship under the condition they become officers or choose to join the military after college and are eligible to join AS officers.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/21/palin.travel.ap/index.html

Sarah's been a naughty little governor!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/21/palin.travel.ap/index.html

Sarah's been a naughty little governor!

She'll spin it as being a 'good mommy'.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/21/palin.travel.ap/index.html

Sarah's been a naughty little governor!

Sexist.

Is CH going to return to try and defend this?

In practice, however, the VP often is the voice of the President for the Senate. It's one of the President's primary channels to the legislature, to push his or her agenda.

That's why choosing someone like Biden was such a good idea, because Biden, who is extremely familiar with the Senate, can encourage Senators to listen to him so much more than, say, Palin would be able to.
The Senate is within its rights to completely ignore the voice of the President just as much as the voice of the Vice President. In that, they are no different from private citizens. No one is required to pay any mind to what the President would like see happen.

Didn't you hear Biden yesterday joking about how, back when he was on the Foreign Relations Commitee, all the Senators would take his calls any day of the week, but once he becomes VP, they probably won't because they'll have no reason to?

"Liberal facsits"? So either they're talking about liberal fascists--an oxymoron if I've ever heard one--or liberals that sit on facts, which gives me an odd image of Nancy Pelosi sleeping on a stack of encyclopedias balancing on a pea.

No, seriously, you should check out some of the comments attached to articles on MSNBC. They're no better. Maybe they're the same morons, going from site to site.

She'll spin it as being a 'good mommy'.

Let's see her spin this:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html

Politico went through the financial report the RNC just filed with the FEC and discovered that the Republican National Committee has spent $150,000 for clothes and accessories for Sarah Palin since she was tapped for the VP slot in late August. One shopping trip to Neiman Marcus cost them $75,062.63, for example. They also spent over $4700 on her hair and makeup. Remember how the Republicans howled at John Edwards $400 haircut (which included a house call by the barber)? Google for: Edwards "$400 haircut" and you'll get 27,000 hits. That was major news for a week. That aside, a far more damaging effect of this revelation is that Palin keeps saying she just an ordinary small-town hockey. It is likely that if Joe-the-plumber's wife were to rack up $150,000 in clothing expenses in a single month, Joe might ask how she was planning to pay the credit card bill since the median annual salary for plumbers is $37,514. Palin is already being ridiculed all over the place, and this provides more fodder for the comics

Sexist.

Is CH going to return to try and defend this?

Question is where are CH and Balderdash? Haven't seen them for a while.

Let's see her spin this:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html

Politico went through the financial report the RNC just filed with the FEC and discovered that the Republican National Committee has spent $150,000 for clothes and accessories for Sarah Palin since she was tapped for the VP slot in late August. One shopping trip to Neiman Marcus cost them $75,062.63, for example. They also spent over $4700 on her hair and makeup. Remember how the Republicans howled at John Edwards $400 haircut (which included a house call by the barber)? Google for: Edwards "$400 haircut" and you'll get 27,000 hits. That was major news for a week. That aside, a far more damaging effect of this revelation is that Palin keeps saying she just an ordinary small-town hockey. It is likely that if Joe-the-plumber's wife were to rack up $150,000 in clothing expenses in a single month, Joe might ask how she was planning to pay the credit card bill since the median annual salary for plumbers is $37,514. Palin is already being ridiculed all over the place, and this provides more fodder for the comics

If it thakes $4700 to make her look like that, I'd hate to see what she looks like without it. Images of Janet Reno come to mind. :p

If it thakes $4700 to make her look like that, I'd hate to see what she looks like without it. Images of Janet Reno come to mind. :p

It occurs to me that it'd be cheaper to rent Tina Fey.

BTW... At the risk of earning (and deserving!) the first ban ever for a horrible, horrible pun...

The amount she stole, 21,012, is a PALINdrome...

It occurs to me that it'd be cheaper to rent Tina Fey.

It'd be cheaper to rent Saturday Night Live. :p

It'd be cheaper to rent Saturday Night Live. :p

Probably get 'em more votes too.

Let's see her spin this:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html

Politico went through the financial report the RNC just filed with the FEC and discovered that the Republican National Committee has spent $150,000 for clothes and accessories for Sarah Palin since she was tapped for the VP slot in late August. One shopping trip to Neiman Marcus cost them $75,062.63, for example. They also spent over $4700 on her hair and makeup. Remember how the Republicans howled at John Edwards $400 haircut (which included a house call by the barber)? Google for: Edwards "$400 haircut" and you'll get 27,000 hits. That was major news for a week. That aside, a far more damaging effect of this revelation is that Palin keeps saying she just an ordinary small-town hockey. It is likely that if Joe-the-plumber's wife were to rack up $150,000 in clothing expenses in a single month, Joe might ask how she was planning to pay the credit card bill since the median annual salary for plumbers is $37,514. Palin is already being ridiculed all over the place, and this provides more fodder for the comics
you can see every penny of that money when you see her on TV. they might be running a sucky campaign but that woman looks great!

the matching designer outfit on her teenaged daughter is a bit over the top though.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/21/palin.travel.ap/index.html

Sarah's been a naughty little governor!
oh no! she got professional help with her income taxes and STILL got them wrong. when she gets audited she will owe additional tax.

sucks to be her but lots of people get bad tax advice.

If it thakes $4700 to make her look like that, I'd hate to see what she looks like without it. Images of Janet Reno come to mind. :p
as keith olbermann suggested last night when this is over she'll probably ask ...

"do i get to keep the clothes?" like they do when they get a makeover on oprah.

oh no! she got professional help with her income taxes and STILL got them wrong. when she gets audited she will owe additional tax.

sucks to be her but lots of people get bad tax advice.

I don't think charging the state for personal travel of her little sprogs counts as bad tax advice.

I don't think charging the state for personal travel of her little sprogs counts as bad tax advice.
not paying taxes on it is.

if the state doesnt think she should have been able to charge them for the kid's travel, why did they approve it?

so, OHHH NOOOO she'll have to pay the state back because they made a mistake in approving the expenses. thats not HER fault now is it?

not paying taxes on it is.

if the state doesnt think she should have been able to charge them for the kid's travel, why did they approve it?

so, OHHH NOOOO she'll have to pay the state back because they made a mistake in approving the expenses. thats not HER fault now is it?

She runs the state, so, uh, sorta.

She runs the state, so, uh, sorta.
no.

thats why they have financial officers.

everyone has the tendency to think that if its the way they want it to be, that is the way it is. (mrs palin has this tendency in spades) so for her to think that its OK to take the kids, have the state pay for it, and have it be a business expense so that she doesnt have to pay tax on it is par for the course. it was up to the state worker who OK'ed to deny it. as it is the state of alaska pays expenses (like days spent at her own home) that other states wouldnt ever allow. so what we think is wrong may not be wrong at all in alaska (even though she'll still owe federal income taxes on it)

now if she had billed the state for her kid's travel expenses but the kids didnt GO, that would be fraud and she would have to go to jail for it.

no.

thats why they have financial officers.

everyone has the tendency to think that if its the way they want it to be, that is the way it is. (mrs palin has this tendency in spades) so for her to think that its OK to take the kids, have the state pay for it, and have it be a business expense so that she doesnt have to pay tax on it is par for the course. it was up to the state worker who OK'ed to deny it. as it is the state of alaska pays expenses (like days spent at her own home) that other states wouldnt ever allow. so what we think is wrong may not be wrong at all in alaska (even though she'll still owe federal income taxes on it)

now if she had billed the state for her kid's travel expenses but the kids didnt GO, that would be fraud and she would have to go to jail for it.

As it is it's just corruption. There's a logical leap involved in the idea that it's kosher to take your brats on cross country trips and bill your boss for it. I know my boss wouldn't go for that. Difference is she is the boss in this case, and those financial officers doubtlessly are aware that they should show her deference lest they end up like the librarian in Wasilla.

She believes in the Golden Rule - whoever has the gold makes the rules.

My god....she could have her finger on the button!

you can see every penny of that money when you see her on TV. they might be running a sucky campaign but that woman looks great!

the matching designer outfit on her teenaged daughter is a bit over the top though.
Mother/daughter outfits are a sign of satanic influence. Everybody knows that. *nods*

not paying taxes on it is.

if the state doesnt think she should have been able to charge them for the kid's travel, why did they approve it?

so, OHHH NOOOO she'll have to pay the state back because they made a mistake in approving the expenses. thats not HER fault now is it?
I may be wrong, but I heard something on CNN last night that raised a question about how the mini-Palins' were listed as an expense. Something like, the plane seats were listed on the expenses paperwork as being for someone else before the flights and changed to the kids' names afterwards. I'm sorry, I can't do better because I only heard it as an aside from a news analyst.

Since I don't know the exact process of the state approving such expenses, I don't know whether they found out the tickets were for her kids before or after they approved the money.

Personally, I don't see any reason why the kids would not be paid for, if the campaign decided that trotting them around like prize livestock would get them votes. But all this just goes to support the impression that everything financial that Caribou Barbie touches is going to be a complete mess. Bodes well for government budget management and transparency once she and McCain get into the WH, doesn't it?

Mother/daughter outfits are a sign of satanic influence. Everybody knows that. *nods*


I may be wrong, but I heard something on CNN last night that raised a question about how the mini-Palins' were listed as an expense. Something like, the plane seats were listed on the expenses paperwork as being for someone else before the flights and changed to the kids' names afterwards. I'm sorry, I can't do better because I only heard it as an aside from a news analyst.

Since I don't know the exact process of the state approving such expenses, I don't know whether they found out the tickets were for her kids before or after they approved the money.

Personally, I don't see any reason why the kids would not be paid for, if the campaign decided that trotting them around like prize livestock would get them votes. But all this just goes to support the impression that everything financial that Caribou Barbie touches is going to be a complete mess. Bodes well for government budget management and transparency once she and McCain get into the WH, doesn't it?
as a mother myself i am of 2 minds regarding her taking those kids everywhere.

after all its the only time those kids are going to get to campaign with their mom for vp.

but they shouldnt be dragged around having to be perfect all the time, spending long days travelling. they should be home and in school.

and the new baby should be in the hands of a professional baby nurse dedicated to special needs babies since mrs palin must be busy all day ever day on this campaigning thing and downs syndrome doesnt wait for later.

as a mother myself i am of 2 minds regarding her taking those kids everywhere.

after all its the only time those kids are going to get to campaign with their mom for vp.

but they shouldnt be dragged around having to be perfect all the time, spending long days travelling. they should be home and in school.

and the new baby should be in the hands of a professional baby nurse dedicated to special needs babies since mrs palin must be busy all day ever day on this campaigning thing and downs syndrome doesnt wait for later.
I lack the gene that makes me receptive to marketing images. If things like parading the kids around to show what a mom she is, or Barack Obama making just-folks jokes about baseball and haircuts, or anything else along the lines of kissing hands/shaking babies, have any effect on me at all, it is just to annoy me. If pols are not talking about policy and issues, then I prefer them not to exist in my attention range.

The Senate is within its rights to completely ignore the voice of the President just as much as the voice of the Vice President. In that, they are no different from private citizens. No one is required to pay any mind to what the President would like see happen.

Didn't you hear Biden yesterday joking about how, back when he was on the Foreign Relations Commitee, all the Senators would take his calls any day of the week, but once he becomes VP, they probably won't because they'll have no reason to?
Oh, I know they won't have to listen to him.

But the VP does get more time on the Senate floor than your average private citizen, mind. Private citizens don't usually get to talk face to face with the Senate.

It's not much of a difference, but it is there.

No, seriously, you should check out some of the comments attached to articles on MSNBC. They're no better. Maybe they're the same morons, going from site to site.
Indeed. I remember when I used to read Yahoo! News boards. I'd even participate in trolling on them, since there was really no intelligent conversation on them whatsoever, no matter the article. (The number of ignorant comments I saw on science articles...holy shit...)

Mother/daughter outfits are a sign of satanic influence. Everybody knows that. *nods*


I may be wrong, but I heard something on CNN last night that raised a question about how the mini-Palins' were listed as an expense. Something like, the plane seats were listed on the expenses paperwork as being for someone else before the flights and changed to the kids' names afterwards. I'm sorry, I can't do better because I only heard it as an aside from a news analyst.

Since I don't know the exact process of the state approving such expenses, I don't know whether they found out the tickets were for her kids before or after they approved the money.

Personally, I don't see any reason why the kids would not be paid for, if the campaign decided that trotting them around like prize livestock would get them votes. But all this just goes to support the impression that everything financial that Caribou Barbie touches is going to be a complete mess. Bodes well for government budget management and transparency once she and McCain get into the WH, doesn't it?
Yeah, to be perfectly honest, this is something I'd normally let slide, given that it's really not that big a deal. (And hey, she wants to spend more time with her family. Who doesn't admire that?)

But given the various other bad mistakes she's made, you really can't let it slide.

Personally, I don't see any reason why the kids would not be paid for, if the campaign decided that trotting them around like prize livestock would get them votes.

I don't have a problem with the campaign spending whatever it wants on promotions. Even with matching funds, it's still up to the campaign.

However, this story is about stuff she did as governor. That's money out of the pockets of Alaskans. And since a large portion of Alaska's budget ($1.734 out of $5.1 billion, minimum - Appropriations Bill, p38, l5 (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/OperatingBill.pdf)) comes from federal funds, we're paying part of that.

It's peanuts, but it's corruption. AK Sen Ted Stevens is getting lambasted for not a lot more, so it's not like Alaskans turn a blind eye to that sort of behavior. (He's even to get reelected, per the latest polls. Alaskans do love their Republicans.)

I don't have a problem with the campaign spending whatever it wants on promotions. Even with matching funds, it's still up to the campaign.

However, this story is about stuff she did as governor. That's money out of the pockets of Alaskans. And since a large portion of Alaska's budget ($1.734 out of $5.1 billion, minimum - Appropriations Bill, p38, l5 (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/OperatingBill.pdf)) comes from federal funds, we're paying part of that.

It's peanuts, but it's corruption. AK Sen Ted Stevens is getting lambasted for not a lot more, so it's not like Alaskans turn a blind eye to that sort of behavior. (He's even to get reelected, per the latest polls. Alaskans do love their Republicans.)
Hey, I'm sold. I'm only too ready to chalk up every single detail that I can in the "corrupt politician" column in re Sarah Palin. Let no one, for even a second, think that I have a single good word to say about that woman.

I'm just saying that, as far as finding a point in this to beat her up with, I think the confusion over the records on this is more immediately damning than how much money was misused and precisely how. When I look at a politician's funding and expense records, and I see such confusion and obfuscation...well, it does make me think they are trying to hide something. And I don't care if she's being crooked about relatively small amounts or things that aren't really important -- crooked is crooked. To me, it's almost worse if they're crooked over nickels and dimes. That sort of things shows, to my mind, a fundamentally dishonest person, someone who doesn't have to be lured by big payoffs to cheat, but who just does it for any little thing.

I like this!

Palin Apologizes for 'Real America' Comments
Two Congressmen Face Backlash After Their Own Remarks Questioning Others' Patriotism
In Minnesota, little-known Democrat Elwyn Tinklenberg announced yesterday that he has raised $1 million over the past four days for his House campaign, after Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann questioned Sen. Barack Obama's patriotism and recommended that the news media investigate whether other members of Congress are "pro-America" or "anti-America."

The money began flooding in from across the country after Bachmann made the comments in a seven-minute appearance on MSNBC's "Hardball" on Friday. "I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?" she told host Chris Matthews.

The backlash from Bachmann's remarks gave Tinklenberg enough donations to quadruple his television advertising, prompted the nonpartisan Cook Political Report to flip its take on the race from "likely Republican" to "tossup" and inspired a Republican who lost to Bachmann in the party's primary to launch a write-in campaign.
The party is also spending heavily to help Tinklenberg unseat Bachmann, who was expected to cruise to victory before her comments.

"This is quite phenomenal," said John Wodele, a spokesman for Tinklenberg. "We were doing fine, we had a good campaign going. But this has got us in a position we never thought we'd be in."

More than 17,000 individual donors sent money to Tinklenberg in the days after Bachmann's television appearance.

"Almost instantly, the first contributions came in, before I could get on the phone and talk to the campaign manager and the candidate to think about what our reaction was going to be," Wodele said. "Then I just realized we didn't need to discuss it because it was going on its own. It was happening, and it was coming in from around the country."
Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102449.html)

I love it when stuff like this backfires :D

I like this!




Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102449.html)

I love it when stuff like this backfires :D
Brilliant.

Someone was just a little too excited that we might be in a new era of McCarthism...good riddance.

Palin is learning too slowly the 'area' effect (god I'm a geek) of what she says, that how ever far she goes, there's going to be someone in her stable that will go at least half that distance further, so if she starts commenting on the edge, she's essentially going to lead some of the nuttier of her group right off the cliff. I guess we could look at this as a public service...

I may be wrong, but I heard something on CNN last night that raised a question about how the mini-Palins' were listed as an expense. Something like, the plane seats were listed on the expenses paperwork as being for someone else before the flights and changed to the kids' names afterwards. I'm sorry, I can't do better because I only heard it as an aside from a news analyst.

On the radio this morning, they said that she charged the state for a 3-day stay for herself and her daughter in a 4-star hotel in New York. The nominal reason was that she flew in for a conference. The conference, however, lasted 5 hours, not 3 days.

AAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahah

In an interview on CNN, Palin said comments she made last week in North Carolina praising small towns as "the real America" and the "pro-America areas of this great nation" were not intended to suggest that other parts of the country are less patriotic or less American.

"If that's the way it has come across, I apologize," she told CNN's Drew Griffin.

So Mrs. Palin, what DID you mean then?

I don't see WHAT is the problem with a congresswoman saying that there should be investigations into who is pro american, and who is anti-american.

After all, if someone in congress is engaged in anti-american...let's call them "activities", we should know about it! We should have a group of people whose job it is to find out who is, and is not, engaging in these unpatriotic, unamerican "activities". Like a council, or a tribunal or a...I dunno...maybe a committee of some sort. Yes, a committe to find out who is engaged in unamerican activities.

Hmm..."Un-American Activities Committee". I like the sound of that. Wonder why nobody ever thought of it before...

AAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahah



So Mrs. Palin, what DID you mean then?

She must have meant it the same way that McCain meant US workers when he talked about the fundamentally sound US economy.

I don't see WHAT is the problem with a congresswoman saying that there should be investigations into who is pro american, and who is anti-american.

After all, if someone in congress is engaged in anti-american...let's call them "activities", we should know about it! We should have a group of people whose job it is to find out who is, and is not, engaging in these unpatriotic, unamerican "activities". Like a council, or a tribunal or a...I dunno...maybe a committee of some sort. Yes, a committe to find out who is engaged in unamerican activities.

Hmm..."Un-American Activities Committee". I like the sound of that. Wonder why nobody ever thought of it before...
Mind you, with Facebook and the other social networking sites that we have today, finding out who the subversive un-American elements are friends with should be oh so much easier :wink:

I like this!




Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102449.html)

I love it when stuff like this backfires :D
Ain't it great? Hearing from multiple sources, I think Tinklenberg got about $700K in donations in the first 36 hours after Bachman ran her mouth.

Ain't it great? Hearing from multiple sources, I think Tinklenberg got about $700K in donations in the first 36 hours after Bachman ran her mouth.

Yup. His total's now around 810k, almost doubling his war chest.

I donated $50 to his campaign after I saw her comments run on TV. Were I not so broke, I'd have donated more.

Yup. His total's now around 810k, almost doubling his war chest.
I wish the Republicans would keep talking. :D

I wish the Republicans would keep talking. :D

In one incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one has a chance to interrupt them ?
That would be quite hypnotic.

Cookie for the reference.

In one incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one has a chance to interrupt them ?
That would be quite hypnotic.

Cookie for the reference.

Star Trek, TNG, the one with the fractured time field. Aliens in the Romulan warp core.

In one incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one has a chance to interrupt them ?
That would be quite hypnotic.

Cookie for the reference.

Captain Jean-Luc Picard, of the USS Enterprise. (The Musical... kinda)

I'll take that cookie.

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So Mrs. Palin, what DID you mean then?

"All Americans are real. Some are just more real than others."

"All Americans are real. Some are just more real than others."

All animals are equal, pigs are more equal.

I don't see WHAT is the problem with a congresswoman saying that there should be investigations into who is pro american, and who is anti-american.

After all, if someone in congress is engaged in anti-american...let's call them "activities", we should know about it! We should have a group of people whose job it is to find out who is, and is not, engaging in these unpatriotic, unamerican "activities". Like a council, or a tribunal or a...I dunno...maybe a committee of some sort. Yes, a committe to find out who is engaged in unamerican activities.

Hmm..."Un-American Activities Committee". I like the sound of that. Wonder why nobody ever thought of it before...

Palin is living proof for reincarnation.

McCain/McCarthy '08

Palin is living proof for reincarnation.

McCain/McCarthy '08

If there's any justice Palin and Cheney will go on a hunting trip together.

Alone.

With plenty of ammunition.

I like this!




Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102449.html)

I love it when stuff like this backfires :D
That's the problem with pissing off fake America: Small Town America has a lower population.

All animals are equal, pigs are more equal.

What about moose (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z48QhMZ85k)?

That's the problem with pissing off fake America: Small Town America has a lower population.

But Small Town America is trying to offset that with Abstinence Only Education and its inevitable explosion of teenage pregnancies.

:D

But Small Town America is trying to offset that with Abstinence Only Education and its inevitable explosion of teenage pregnancies.

:D

A topic on which Palin's family values are certainly leading by example.

I think McCain still has a shot. The polls were wrong for Reagan once and Bush II twice.

I think McCain still has a shot. The polls were wrong for Reagan once and Bush II twice.

If you mean a shot to his head from Sarah's Moose Rifle to put him out of his misery.

I think McCain still has a shot. The polls were wrong for Reagan once and Bush II twice.

Ummm....no they werent. Especially not this late in the game and when either of them were this far behind.

I like this!




Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102449.html)

I love it when stuff like this backfires :DJust read the article properly and found this bit:
Republican Rep. Robin Hayes, who is locked in a closely contested House race in North Carolina, has also been criticized after telling a crowd Saturday that "liberals hate real Americans that work and accomplish and achieve and believe in God." Hayes initially denied making the remarks, but he was forced to acknowledge them after an audiotape of the speech surfaced.
Sunnamabeechtree...

For example, they said Reagan and Carter were too close to tell, but what do you know? Reagan won in a landslide.

yeah, i mean, its not like the proponents of the 50 state strategy at the national level started to help rebuild the idaho democratic party a couple years ago, allowing them to run more than token candidates for state-wide offices there or anything. oh wait, yes they did. fuck, there goes that talking point!

<- voted for larry grant in 2006, where he came within 5% of a win in id-01

well look at this:

"In an election for US House of Representatives from Idaho's 1st Congressional District today, 10/21/08, two weeks till votes are counted, Democratic challenger Walt Minnick edges incumbent Republican Bill Sali 51% to 45%"
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=75e06a70-14b9-4198-b4c7-eec1818dc78a

Ummm....no they werent. Especially not this late in the game and when either of them were this far behind.

I just saw an AP article that cites a poll that puts them neck-and-neck...

For example, they said Reagan and Carter were too close to tell, but what do you know? Reagan won in a landslide.

And Obama and McCain arent neck and neck...

I just saw an AP article that cites a poll that puts them neck-and-neck...

That would be the only poll that puts them as such...

That would be the only poll that puts them as such...

Hey, just telling you what I saw...

Gimme a sec and I'll find the article...

EDIT: found it: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/ap_poll_presidential_race

Hey, just telling you what I saw...

Gimme a sec and I'll find the article...

EDIT: found it: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/ap_poll_presidential_race

ahh, the AP poll, check this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=569927) as to why I find that poll particularly bogus. Short answer, their representative samples weren't at all representative, and their "likely voter" models were crap. White middle age folks are significantly over represented, despite all indicators that youth and black voter will be up substantially this year, and they basically designed their likely voter model to be an essential repeat of 2004.

And Obama STILL comes out ahead.

If you look at their poll of REGISTERED voters, not their own internal decision as to what constitutes a LIKELY voter, the poll is a far more respectable Obama +5

I like this!




Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102449.html)

I love it when stuff like this backfires :D

Good! I hope she suffers!

She'll get her career ruined because of this. That will teach her to spout this kind of tripe! It's not accepted by people anymore, and I hope she pays!

Good! I hope she suffers!

She'll get her career ruined because of this. That will teach her to spout this kind of tripe! It's not accepted by people anymore, and I hope she pays!

And here we have Heikoku Phelps picketing with "God Hates Sarah Palin".

I think McCain still has a shot. The polls were wrong for Reagan once and Bush II twice.

Ya but there was lower turnout then because every one thought it was in the bag. I doubt it will be so now with the crisis our country is going through no one is taking anything for granted to much is at stake. Lower turnout has historically bennefited the republicans. Because most Rural and small town areas are predominatly republican and lines are generally considerably shorter than Urban areas which are usually predominatly democrat.

And here we have Heikoku Phelps picketing with "God Hates Sarah Palin".

Not gonna picket her funeral or the other idiot's, but I got this kind of tripe thrown at me, and now I want to see whoever spouts it hurt.

On a side note: Frisbee, I'm assuming that wasn't an ACTUAL warning, right? o_O

Good! I hope she suffers!



Im disturbed how quikly you wish suffering on your political enemies.

Im disturbed how quikly you wish suffering on your political enemies.I'm disturbed by how detailed the wishes often are...

Im disturbed how quikly you wish suffering on your political enemies.

You misunderstand. I have Republican friends. What I can't stand is people using this kind of "you hate America" or "you're anti-American", etc, tripe.

I'm disturbed by how detailed the wishes often are...

I'm creative, aren't I? :D

You misunderstand. I have Republican friends. What I can't stand is people using this kind of "you hate America" or "you're anti-American", etc, tripe.It isn't about foreigners this time.
I'm creative, aren't I? :D
I dunno. "Destructive" fits better.

It isn't about foreigners this time.

It doesn't get more legitimate in a debate, like the one they stole from me, on account of me not being from the US.

It doesn't get more legitimate in a debate, like the one they stole from me, on account of me not being from the US.

Huh?

Huh?

I have a thing against the whole "you hate America" shebang because it cost me an IRC debate I should have won, and will win back, once Obama gets elected. I was against the odious massacre that is the War in Iraq, and people for it shut off debate by calling me an America-hater, etc. That's cheating, and I have wanted to pay them back ever since, by rubbing it in their faces.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand...

It isn't about foreigners this time.

I dunno. "Destructive" fits better.

I spent an entire primary season trying to reason with, then out right begging, this cat to cool it for naught. I finally gave up and used the forum tools to make these threads easier to use. You can't convince someone who is proud and self righteous about his crassness to not be crass.

I spent an entire primary season trying to reason with, then out right begging, this cat to cool it for naught. I finally gave up and used the forum tools to make these threads easier to use. You can't convince someone who is proud and self righteous about his crassness to not be crass.

Oh, trust me, I'm usually a nicer person. And I'll be that much nicer once I've reduced the morons in that chatroom to tears. Regardless, no, I don't like people who use this in a debate to shut up the opposition. And this is what Palin, and that woman from MN and the other moron did.

I have a thing against the whole "you hate America" shebang because it cost me an IRC debate I should have won, and will win back, once Obama gets elected. I was against the odious massacre that is the War in Iraq, and people for it shut off debate by calling me an America-hater, etc. That's cheating, and I have wanted to pay them back ever since, by rubbing it in their faces.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand...

How unbelievably childish and petty.

How unbelievably childish and petty.

I know. But if there is one thing I learned, it's that admitting one's flaws is the first step for it to be socially acceptable to solve them later.

Now, on the topic at hand...

Huh?
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9805/forgetitjakezf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I spent an entire primary season trying to reason with, then out right begging, this cat to cool it for naught. I finally gave up and used the forum tools to make these threads easier to use. You can't convince someone who is proud and self righteous about his crassness to not be crass.My conscience kind of makes me drop the hint that his opinions aren't much different from the guys that get a hard on whenever they come up with ways to tickle information out of Gitmo inmates. When the modhammer that everyone feels will come does come, at least I won't feel like one of those people that stares at car wrecks without moving a finger.

My conscience kind of makes me drop the hint that his opinions aren't much different from the guys that get a hard on whenever they come up with ways to tickle information out of Gitmo inmates. When the modhammer that everyone feels will come does come, at least I won't feel like one of those people that stares at car wrecks without moving a finger.

At this moment, at least, I'm not spouting any opinions that would be construable as trolling (if TAI gets to claim that my countrymen that died in torture chambers during the dictatorship deserved it, I'm pretty sure I can get away with wishing for these kind of people to get screwed over), I am not insulting anyone in-forum, and I am trying to end the change in subject.

Edit: Also, my philosophy tends to be to mirror my opponents. On the Internet, this may not always be a good idea.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9805/forgetitjakezf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nice, where is this from? o_O

Alright, I signed out for a minute, so I got to see the question. Normally, H2, you should know that I cannot.

I made that graphic, it seemed appropriate to certain internet debates.

Nice, where is this from? o_O

Chinatown.

I can say proudly I early voted today. My folks did as well. We all went and voted for Obama. heh. That's three votes for Obama in the state of Nevada. :)
well, maybe you voted for Obama, but are you sure the Diebolt machine you used did? ;)

well, maybe you voted for Obama, but are you sure the Diebolt machine you used did? ;)

I'd like to think otherwise. :(

There is a paper trail with our voting machines. And I watched it print out with Obama's name on it.

no.

thats why they have financial officers.

everyone has the tendency to think that if its the way they want it to be, that is the way it is. (mrs palin has this tendency in spades) so for her to think that its OK to take the kids, have the state pay for it, and have it be a business expense so that she doesnt have to pay tax on it is par for the course. it was up to the state worker who OK'ed to deny it. as it is the state of alaska pays expenses (like days spent at her own home) that other states wouldnt ever allow. so what we think is wrong may not be wrong at all in alaska (even though she'll still owe federal income taxes on it)

now if she had billed the state for her kid's travel expenses but the kids didnt GO, that would be fraud and she would have to go to jail for it.

If you read the article, you'd have seen it goes further than that. For one event she asked if she could bring one of her daughters along, was okayed, and turned up with all 3 - charging the Alaskan taxpayer the costs of the flights + expenses.
She went to the start of the Iron Dog race, which is fair enough as governor. Except she took her entire family along to watch their father, all charged to the Alaskan taxpayer.
She took her daughter to New York for a one day conference, and stayed 5 days at a $700-a-night hotel, all charged to the Alaskan taxpayer. What was so important that she needed to stay there 4 days after the conference ended?

That's not 'making a simple mistake on her tax form based on poor advice'. That's blatant misuse of taxpayer funds.

ahh, the AP poll, check this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=569927) as to why I find that poll particularly bogus. Short answer, their representative samples weren't at all representative, and their "likely voter" models were crap. White middle age folks are significantly over represented, despite all indicators that youth and black voter will be up substantially this year, and they basically designed their likely voter model to be an essential repeat of 2004.

And Obama STILL comes out ahead.

If you look at their poll of REGISTERED voters, not their own internal decision as to what constitutes a LIKELY voter, the poll is a far more respectable Obama +5

Every poll has sampling characteristics... but I'm more looking at the internal consistency of this poll. They show a bias towards olderer white people, no argument... but among - for example, their younger white folk - aren't they still showing representative (ish) trends?

I like this!




Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102449.html)

I love it when stuff like this backfires :D

Did anyone else keep misreading Elwyn Tinklenberg's last name as 'Tinklebell'?
I bet she got lots of hassle at school over that name.

Did anyone else keep misreading Elwyn Tinklenberg's last name as 'Tinklebell'?
I bet she got lots of hassle at school over that name.

Im sure the kids who all made fun of her are anti-American too.

I don't even think it matters whether or not Obama or McCain gets elected. They are all bullshit. After all, they all serve the same people who are the Corporate Elite of America. And by the way, Obama is a muslim, and McCain is just another NeoCon and Obama is just a NeoLib...but in all sincerity, there is no difference betwee the two parties. They are all essentially One.

I don't even think it matters whether or not Obama or McCain gets elected. They are all bullshit. After all, they all serve the same people who are the Corporate Elite of America. And by the way, Obama is a muslim, and McCain is just another NeoCon and Obama is just a NeoLib...but in all sincerity, there is no difference betwee the two parties. They are all essentially One.

I was about to write you off as just jaded and cynical, until I read the bolded.

Now I know your an uninformed jaded cynic.

I don't even think it matters whether or not Obama or McCain gets elected. They are all bullshit. After all, they all serve the same people who are the Corporate Elite of America. And by the way, Obama is a muslim, and McCain is just another NeoCon and Obama is just a NeoLib...but in all sincerity, there is no difference betwee the two parties. They are all essentially One.
spoken like a true republican puppet who's reading the writing on the wall, realising his guy ain't gonna win so throws his hands in the air and says, 'It's all b/s and I never wanted to play nor liked the game anyway!'

I'd like to think otherwise. :(

There is a paper trail with our voting machines. And I watched it print out with Obama's name on it.
i voted today

we fill out an individually printed 8.5x11 ballot and run it through the counting machine ourselves. it keeps the paper.

i love voting early. i took my sister and mother in law with.

spoken like a true republican puppet who's reading the writing on the wall, realising his guy ain't gonna win so throws his hands in the air and says, 'It's all b/s and I never wanted to play nor liked the game anyway!'

Yeah, well, YOU'LL see, Obama will bankrupt america, and make us all convert to muslim, and ban prayer in schools, and YOU WILL BE SORRY!

*runs away sobbing*

Yeah, well, YOU'LL see, Obama will bankrupt america, and make us all convert to muslim, and ban prayer in schools, and YOU WILL BE SORRY!

*runs away sobbing*

*hugs Neo Art*

There there, Ill protect you from the evil black man.

Yeah, well, YOU'LL see, Obama will bankrupt america, and make us all convert to muslim, and ban prayer in schools, and YOU WILL BE SORRY!

*runs away sobbing*

*hugs Neo Art*

There there, Ill protect you from the evil black man.This makes me sad. :)
But, ironically, I'm smiling.

I don't even think it matters whether or not Obama or McCain gets elected. They are all bullshit. After all, they all serve the same people who are the Corporate Elite of America.

Thats why Obama is going to raise taxes on the corporate elite because he panders to them right?

And by the way, Obama is a muslim,

OOooH I can't believe you posted this utter falsehood the man is a christian get used to it.

and McCain is just another NeoCon

No argument there

and Obama is just a NeoLib..

What is a "Neolib" Liberal ideas really havent changed that much just conservative. The Neo conservative movement really took off with Reagan. I am unaware of any signifigant change in liberal democrat doctrine.

.but in all sincerity, there is no difference betwee the two parties. They are all essentially One.

Really so abortion, taxes, foriegn policy, healthcare, and economics are what petty differences? The truth is these two parties could not be more different at this moment.

If you read the article, you'd have seen it goes further than that. For one event she asked if she could bring one of her daughters along, was okayed, and turned up with all 3 - charging the Alaskan taxpayer the costs of the flights + expenses.
She went to the start of the Iron Dog race, which is fair enough as governor. Except she took her entire family along to watch their father, all charged to the Alaskan taxpayer.
She took her daughter to New York for a one day conference, and stayed 5 days at a $700-a-night hotel, all charged to the Alaskan taxpayer. What was so important that she needed to stay there 4 days after the conference ended?

That's not 'making a simple mistake on her tax form based on poor advice'. That's blatant misuse of taxpayer funds.
its only a blatant misuse if it violates alaskan law.

it seems like it should but alaska has its own laws and some of them are unusual.


in the end, as long as she gave true receipts and they were accepted by whoever pays such expenses in the alaskan govt as payable (or as legit receipts for expenses that the state already paid) then at most she needs to re-imburse the state for wrongly paid expenses. at the least she needs to pay federal taxes on those child expenses as income rather than legit business expenses.

if the alaskan people find this behavior outrageous (and they probably should) they can decide to not re-elect her as governor when her term is up.

Every poll has sampling characteristics... but I'm more looking at the internal consistency of this poll. They show a bias towards olderer white people, no argument... but among - for example, their younger white folk - aren't they still showing representative (ish) trends?

the only thing that was screwy was their 'likely voter' model. their actual numbers, obama 47-37, are pretty close to everyone's

I don't even think it matters whether or not Obama or McCain gets elected. They are all bullshit. After all, they all serve the same people who are the Corporate Elite of America. And by the way, Obama is a muslim, and McCain is just another NeoCon and Obama is just a NeoLib...but in all sincerity, there is no difference betwee the two parties. They are all essentially One.

Assuming just for a second that Obama is a Muslim... and ignoring the fact that the same sources that present him as a Muslim ALSO tend to complain about his pastor (seriously... who buys this stuff?)... so?

I don't see WHAT is the problem with a congresswoman saying that there should be investigations into who is pro american, and who is anti-american.

After all, if someone in congress is engaged in anti-american...let's call them "activities", we should know about it! We should have a group of people whose job it is to find out who is, and is not, engaging in these unpatriotic, unamerican "activities". Like a council, or a tribunal or a...I dunno...maybe a committee of some sort. Yes, a committe to find out who is engaged in unamerican activities.

Hmm..."Un-American Activities Committee". I like the sound of that. Wonder why nobody ever thought of it before...

What about activities where those in congress are committing acts of treason? Surely that would be considered anti-american.

What about activities where those in congress are committing acts of treason? Surely that would be considered anti-american.

Hear that sound? That was the sound of he point going right over your head.

McCain is just another NeoCon and Obama is just a NeoLib

The funny part about this post is, despite the poster's attempt to be clever, "neoliberal" actually means something in political science. Something that Barack Obama is most certainly not.

In fact, the closest thing we've had to a neoliberal in contemporary presidential politics would be...Ronald Regan.

Thats why Obama is going to raise taxes on the corporate elite because he panders to them right

Isn't Obama helping out the Agricutrual sector of Ameican Industry? They would be apart of the corporate elite. With his increase in subsidies towards these farmers and the protectionist stance he will only drive up world food prices helping to make morew money for these farmers.

What about activities where those in congress are committing acts of treason? Surely that would be considered anti-american.

Oh, there are such? Name ONE.

Hear that sound? That was the sound of he point going right over your head.

I thought it was a low flying plane.

Oh, there are such? Name ONE.

Name one what?

Name one what?

You have got to be kidding me.

Name an activity "where those in congress are committing acts of treason". If you're claiming it's necessary to look on this, forgetting your country's history in the process, surely you must be able to name ONE such activity. A measly one, the smallest non-zero natural number. Can you name ONE?

Edit: Or you're being sarcastic and now I have egg on my face?

Anyone who seriously believes Obama is a Muslim is going to need one of Bill Engvall's Signs.

Hear that sound? That was the sound of he point going right over your head.

Fair go, he's from Oz. We didn't get hit as hard, and we were busy with The Split (http://www.oph.gov.au/petrov/content.asp?PageID=157) right about then. He's probably too young to remember it, anyway. Here, BE: Wikilink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Unamerican_Activities_Committee).

Isn't Obama helping out the Agricutrual sector of Ameican Industry? They would be apart of the corporate elite. With his increase in subsidies towards these farmers and the protectionist stance he will only drive up world food prices helping to make morew money for these farmers.

Not that I am aware of. I know he suports anti monoply laws for agriculture.

http://www.america.gov/st/elections08-english/2008/September/20080922132519AKllennoCcM0.4158136.html

Is that what you are talking about.

You have got to be kidding me.

Name an activity "where those in congress are committing acts of treason". If you're claiming it's necessary to look on this, forgetting your country's history in the process, surely you must be able to name ONE such activity. A measly one, the smallest non-zero natural number. Can you name ONE?

Edit: Or you're being sarcastic and now I have egg on my face?

A hypothetical activity or one that is actually being committed right now?

I am not saying that things are going on right now I was talking about hving an investigation where something might come up if someone was doing this, maybe selling US nuclear weapon secrets to an unfriendly nation like North Korea. Wouldn't that bne an act of treason? And could that not be considered to be anti-american?

It would be the same as looking into members of congress acting corrupt while it may not be happening now (though I am sure it is) it should still be something that we should look into to detect any acts of corruption.

Fair go, he's from Oz. We didn't get hit as hard, and we were busy with The Split (http://www.oph.gov.au/petrov/content.asp?PageID=157) right about then. He's probably too young to remember it, anyway. Here, BE: Wikilink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Unamerican_Activities_Committee).

Oh ok I was aware of Joe McCarthy and the actions that he took but I wasn't aware that he called it the Un-American Activities Committee. Well there we go, it makes some more sense now :$

What is a "Neolib"

Neoliberalism is basically classical liberalism only it hates all social programs and it doesn't give a fuck about civil rights.

Neoliberalism is basically classical liberalism only it hates all social programs and it doesn't give a fuck about civil rights.

... doesn't sound very liberal to me.....:confused:

Neoliberalism is basically classical liberalism only it hates all social programs and it doesn't give a fuck about civil rights.

So, it's basically Libertarianism, then?

Anyone who seriously believes Obama is a Muslim is going to need one of Bill Engvall's Signs.

Guy: "Lose your contact?"
Obama: "Nope, just prayin' to Allah. Here's your sign..."

>_>

O'rielly was on in the cafeteria where I'm eating and was really pissed off about this internet video where a bunch of young women, ranging in age from maybe as young as 12 to as old as 16 or so, give an open statement about Sarah Palin and her banning of books, the rape rate in Alaska, etc. Bill O was mostly angry that it was young people doing this (and while I admit, the twelve year old was pushing it, she only talked about book banning, a concept I also understood at age 12.)

Of course, his guest tried to deny everything they were saying.

Bill O'Reilly is now taking aim at tweens and teens?

Obama is now leading in Nevada as well in the polls.

You're glib, Jocabia. You're being glib.

The fact is, service as a pilot is tremendous evidence for someone's fitness to make sound decisions and exhibit executive leadership. Anybody, and I mean anybody, with a background in combat aviation, deserves a high role in the government.

Just look at Hermann Goering.

So my rank and MOS make me qualified to be in high political office? I've made some damn tough decisions in battle.

So, it's basically Libertarianism, then?

In practice, yes. In theory, it doesn't even bother to pay lip-service to civil rights.

Well we all know how bad Jimmy Carter was so we had better not let him in.

However, isn't the US Naval Academy to rain officers for the US Navy? If that is correct wasn't JFK an officer in the US Navy, which means he should have gone through the US Naval Academy?

Not all officers go to an academy. People can go through ROTC or OCS (my route).

(Sorry if this has been mentioned before.)
The Republican campaign has spent over (http://gothamist.com/2008/10/22/report_campaign_spent_150k_on_palin.php) $150,000 (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html) on clothes for Sarah Palin's clothing.
That's more than the average person makes in two years. (Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#Household_income_in_the_US).) What happened to her being a "hockey mom"?

(Sorry if this has been mentioned before.)
The Republican campaign has spent over (http://gothamist.com/2008/10/22/report_campaign_spent_150k_on_palin.php) $150,000 (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html) on clothes for Sarah Palin's clothing.
That's more than the average person makes in two years. (Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#Household_income_in_the_US).) What happened to her being a "hockey mom"?

Hey! I bet every Joes Six Pack/Plumber has that kind of money to blowon clothes. Shes just like you!

(Sorry if this has been mentioned before.)
The Republican campaign has spent over (http://gothamist.com/2008/10/22/report_campaign_spent_150k_on_palin.php) $150,000 (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html) on clothes for Sarah Palin's clothing.
That's more than the average person makes in two years. (Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#Household_income_in_the_US).) What happened to her being a "hockey mom"?

Could be just a bit of Republican BS? Maybe, just saying. I don´t know for sure.:tongue:

Could be just a bit of Republican BS? Maybe, just saying. I don´t know for sure.:tongue:

Heres a hint. Its just as much bullshit as everything else Republicans have been saying.

Not all officers go to an academy. People can go through ROTC or OCS (my route).

Fair enough but ROTC? OCS?

Oh ok I was aware of Joe McCarthy and the actions that he took but I wasn't aware that he called it the Un-American Activities Committee. Well there we go, it makes some more sense now :$

The sad thing is, McCarthy wasn't even behind creating HUAC*; it had existed since the 30s (and continued until the 60s or 70s, I believe). Richard Nixon was a prominent committee member.

*I've never noticed this before, but HUAC is in no way an acronym for Un-American Activities Committee. What gives?

Heres a hint. Its just as much bullshit as everything else Republicans have been saying.

Well, I was waiting for a home-grown American to confirm it, you know. The gods forbid I make assumptions that are incorrect.:D

Well, I was waiting for a home-grown American to confirm it, you know. The gods forbid I make assumptions that are incorrect.:D

Appreciated, considering the number of foreigners on this forum who seem to think they are more in touch with the American political climate than, you know, we are.

The sad thing is, McCarthy wasn't even behind creating HUAC*; it had existed since the 30s (and continued until the 60s or 70s, I believe). Richard Nixon was a prominent committee member.

*I've never noticed this before, but HUAC is in no way an acronym for Un-American Activities Committee. What gives?

Oh ok, and yes Nixon was.

The sad thing is, McCarthy wasn't even behind creating HUAC*; it had existed since the 30s (and continued until the 60s or 70s, I believe). Richard Nixon was a prominent committee member.

*I've never noticed this before, but HUAC is in no way an acronym for Un-American Activities Committee. What gives?
It's the House Un-American (the hyphen makes it one word) Activities Committee.

Fair enough but ROTC? OCS?
ROTC - Reserved Officer Training Corps. Link. (http://www.goarmy.com/rotc/)
OCS - Officer Candidate School. Link. (http://www.goarmy.com/ocs/)
That's the Army versions of both of them.

Appreciated, considering the number of foreigners on this forum who seem to think they are more in touch with the American political climate than, you know, we are.

There are a lot of foreigners intent on finding out what will become of the US come election day. I personally wish Obama to win. Why, well, we all witnessed the Dubya in action. (Teh Lulz!) McCain (and I may be mistaken) seems to be more of the same as Bush Jr. Perchance the US needs a change? You know.

Heres a hint. Its just as much bullshit as everything else Republicans have been saying.It's amazing, how quickly my mind has changed on (US) politics as a whole in such a short time. (Hooray, less ignorance.)
Could be just a bit of Republican BS? Maybe, just saying. I don´t know for sure.:tongue:Assumptions are the mother of all f*ck-ups.
*Not saying that you're wrong.
Hey! I bet every Joes Six Pack/Plumber has that kind of money to blowon clothes. Shes just like you!I can spend 150K on clothes, and not get sent to jail for stealing money from my fellow Americans?! Tell. Me. How.

There are a lot of foreigners intent on finding out what will become of the US come election day. I personally wish Obama to win. Why, well, we all witnessed the Dubya in action. (Teh Lulz!) McCain (and I may be mistaken) seems to be more of the same as Bush Jr. Perchance the US needs a change? You know.

I have no problem with foreigners saying "Im rootin for this guy". In fact, I encourage it. What I DO take issue with is when I say "The American people are thinking like this/the political climate is like this etc etc etc" someone who is outside the country and has never lived her, nor have they had any contact with Americans outside of NSG say to me, "No! You are wrong! America is racist and will never elect a black man!!!111!"


THAT is what pisses me off. A few members do it. One does it 2000x more then others. And he/she is currently on my ignore list, so threads dont become unreadable.

Assumptions are the mother of all f*ck-ups.
*Not saying that you're wrong.

I gotcha.

I can spend 150K on clothes, and not get sent to jail for stealing money from my fellow Americans?! Tell. Me. How.

Get on the Republican presidential ticket.

I have no problem with foreigners saying "Im rootin for this guy". In fact, I encourage it. What I DO take issue with is when I say "The American people are thinking like this/the political climate is like this etc etc etc" someone who is outside the country and has never lived her, nor have they had any contact with Americans outside of NSG say to me, "No! You are wrong! America is racist and will never elect a black man!!!111!"


THAT is what pisses me off. A few members do it. One does it 2000x more then others. And he/she is currently on my ignore list, so threads dont become unreadable.

Leave American politics to Americans. Opinions are appreciated, just don´t pretend you know more than those living in the country in question. I totally understand your point, KoL.:wink:

Get on the Republican presidential ticket.I could become mayor if I had the money to campaign, but, sadly, I don't. :( (The current mayor hasn't changed for over twenty years. He's been in office longer than I've been alive.)
I gotcha.OK, just making sure. :$

I could become mayor if I had the money to campaign, but, sadly, I don't. :( (The current mayor hasn't changed for over twenty years. He's been in office longer than I've been alive.)
OK, just making sure. :$

Ok, I am delirious. I must be for you see, I entered an American political debate. And I told myself I wouldn´t. It´s off to bed with me. Night people!:D

Ok, I am delirious. I must be for you see, I entered an American political debate. And I told myself I wouldn´t. It´s off to bed with me. Night people!:DNot my fault! I swear. And there's nothing wrong with entering an American political debate. Night.

I have no problem with foreigners saying "Im rootin for this guy". In fact, I encourage it. What I DO take issue with is when I say "The American people are thinking like this/the political climate is like this etc etc etc" someone who is outside the country and has never lived her, nor have they had any contact with Americans outside of NSG say to me, "No! You are wrong! America is racist and will never elect a black man!!!111!"


THAT is what pisses me off. A few members do it. One does it 2000x more then others. And he/she is currently on my ignore list, so threads dont become unreadable.

Please. Most people in the U.S. don't know what the political climate in this country is.

Please. Most people in the U.S. don't know what the political climate in this country is.How dare they disrespect Al Gore! :mad:
(Please, please, tell me that you got that.)

Please. Most people in the U.S. don't know what the political climate in this country is.

Fine. But that doesnt mean Canadians....errrr...people outside the US know it any better.

How dare they disrespect Al Gore! :mad:
(Please, please, tell me that you got that.)

:confused:

:confused:Al Gore invented the Internet. Duh. :p
You can find a lot* of information on the Internet. :D
*Understatement of the year, anyone?

What about activities where those in congress are committing acts of treason? Surely that would be considered anti-american.

such as?

There are a lot of foreigners intent on finding out what will become of the US come election day. I personally wish Obama to win. Why, well, we all witnessed the Dubya in action. (Teh Lulz!) McCain (and I may be mistaken) seems to be more of the same as Bush Jr. Perchance the US needs a change? You know.

I want Obama to win for 3 reasons:

1- He's more liberal and more likely to stop the war in Iraq.

2- He was against it in the first place, and my position back then will be vindicated.

3- I can even smell the FEAR some morons who think he's a Terrorist/Muslim/America-hater will feel.

Fair enough but ROTC? OCS?

ROTC-Reserve Officers' Training Corp OCS -Officer Candidacy School.

OCS -Officer Candidacy School.

Why did I read "candy" for a minute there? :confused:

Why did I read "candy" for a minute there? :confused:

Officer Candy School? Wouldn't be surprised if that was a website complete with membership plans.

Leave American politics to Americans. Opinions are appreciated, just don´t pretend you know more than those living in the country in question. I totally understand your point, KoL.:wink:

Speak your mind love. Sometimes it take an outsider with a fresh view to point out what should be obvious to all.

What about activities where those in congress are committing acts of treason? Surely that would be considered anti-american.

Or Presidential administrations. Maybe outing American spies, throwing one of their administration to the wolves to protect that administration, and then pardoning them when they're convicted? You mean like that?

Or Presidential administrations. Maybe outing American spies, throwing one of their administration to the wolves to protect that administration, and then pardoning them when they're convicted? You mean like that?

*Insert graphical description of what he would like to see done to Bush here*

That felt good.

Anyways, yeah, sorta like that. Why? Did it happlame anywhalerie?

In practice, yes. In theory, it doesn't even bother to pay lip-service to civil rights.

In theory, there isn't any difference between the theory and the practise.

In practise, there is.

Why did I read "candy" for a minute there? :confused:You took "can" and the letters "dy" from the word candidacy", and made "candy" out of it?

You took "can" and the letters "dy" from the word candidacy", and made "candy" out of it?

That's "how", not "why". :D

You took "can" and the letters "dy" from the word candidacy", and made "candy" out of it?

Either that... or you just proved the old maxim 'never read the intranets when you are hungry'.

That's "how", not "why". :DThe human mind is a f*cking confusing thing? :confused:
If I could explain it to you, I'd be a very rich guy. :D

I can spend 150K on clothes, and not get sent to jail for stealing money from my fellow Americans?! Tell. Me. How.

Somebody explain to me how this is stealing from the American people.

The RNC paid for her clothes. It's marketing expense for the campaign, and makes as much sense as any other television personality wearing nice expensive clothes. The difference is that they paid cash to Saks and Niemans instead of giving an advertising credit at the end of the program. I don't see any difference between packaging the candidate and decorating the stage or hanging big monitors so everyone can see. It's all about staging, and has bubkis to do with 'spending for personal reasons'.

If you're going to pick an issue, pick an actual issue that makes sense.

Somebody explain to me how this is stealing from the American people.

The RNC paid for her clothes. It's marketing expense for the campaign, and makes as much sense as any other television personality wearing nice expensive clothes. The difference is that they paid cash to Saks and Niemans instead of giving an advertising credit at the end of the program. I don't see any difference between packaging the candidate and decorating the stage or hanging big monitors so everyone can see. It's all about staging, and has bubkis to do with 'spending for personal reasons'.

If you're going to pick an issue, pick an actual issue that makes sense.

It's not an issue that'll crack the Republican campaign like a direct hit on the Arizona, but to me it does seem to be Caribou Barbie's own Let Them Eat Cake moment where she gets handed a lavish and extraordinary present free of charge where most of the plebes she claims to be running on behalf of would never see so much as a single thread of it in their lifetimes even after mortgaging their subprime houses.

Or Presidential administrations. Maybe outing American spies, throwing one of their administration to the wolves to protect that administration, and then pardoning them when they're convicted? You mean like that?

Yes perhaps if that is considered an act of treason in America.

Yes perhaps if that is considered an act of treason in America.

Outing a US spy is treason. Which the Bush admin did.

Yes perhaps if that is considered an act of treason in America.

Instead, we have to hope this runs like every other Spy Ditched By Own Country And Seeks Revenge movie in existence and hope Valerie Plame decides to cap the entire Bush Administration in the future.

Outing a US spy is treason. Which the Bush admin did.

Did, chose a patsy, and then pardoned the patsy. They couldn't have been more obvious if they'd painted on his forehead, "don't look over there because Bush had nothing to do with it, I swear. You can trust me. I'm a traitor."

Obama is now leading in Nevada as well in the polls.

:)

And a guy I know who is Republican stated he had to vote to make sure that twit (Palin), didn't get into the White House. I nearly died laughing at that statement .

I knew Palin was a mistake the day McCain picked her.

Outing a US spy is treason. Which the Bush admin did.

See what would happen if we did have a committee that investigated these sorts of things, things might have panned out diferently.

See what would happen if we did have a committee that investigated these sorts of things, things might have panned out diferently.

There was a committee. It didn't work.

The sarcasm you ignored was that this happened once before. It ended up being a witch hunt. There's a saying about those who don't know their history.

Meanwhile, there is already a group that is supposed to handle such things. Unfortunately, our senate doesn't have a single testacle or ovary in the whole bunch.

Somebody explain to me how this is stealing from the American people.

The RNC paid for her clothes. It's marketing expense for the campaign, and makes as much sense as any other television personality wearing nice expensive clothes. The difference is that they paid cash to Saks and Niemans instead of giving an advertising credit at the end of the program. I don't see any difference between packaging the candidate and decorating the stage or hanging big monitors so everyone can see. It's all about staging, and has bubkis to do with 'spending for personal reasons'.

If you're going to pick an issue, pick an actual issue that makes sense.

It's no issue to me...

...it's certainly an issue for Republican donors, who probably aren't at all happy that their money was used for clothes for the hockey-mom.

It's no issue to me...

...it's certainly an issue for Republican donors, who probably aren't at all happy that their money was used for clothes for the hockey-mom.

...But not a dime on lipstick.

:D

There was a committee. It didn't work.

The sarcasm you ignored was that this happened once before. It ended up being a witch hunt. There's a saying about those who don't know their history.

Meanwhile, there is already a group that is supposed to handle such things. Unfortunately, our senate doesn't have a single testacle or ovary in the whole bunch.

The sarcasm I did not ignore it was the sarcasm I did not understand, however, since that time Ard placed me on the right track which I repsonded to saying I then understood it, you may have ignored/missed that post.

What is that saying? And I know my history very well thank you, I am not entirely fimilar with your history, while I was aware of McCarthy and the witchhunt I was unaware that the committee was known as the HUAC which is what Neo was alluding to.

The sarcasm I did not ignore it was the sarcasm I did not understand, however, since that time Ard placed me on the right track which I repsonded to saying I then understood it, you may have ignored/missed that post.

What is that saying? And I know my history very well thank you, I am not entirely fimilar with your history, while I was aware of McCarthy and the witchhunt I was unaware that the committee was known as the HUAC which is what Neo was alluding to.

No, it wasn't McCarthy. It was HUAC. And it was responsible for the Hollywood blacklist among other things. It was a witch hunt. McCarthy wasn't alone, unfortunately.

No, it wasn't McCarthy. It was HUAC. And it was responsible for the Hollywood blacklist among other things. It was a witch hunt. McCarthy wasn't alone, unfortunately.

I know it wasn't just McCarthy but he was apart of it. As I said I wasn't entierly aware of it and didn't knwo about the HUAC which is what Neo was referring to by using those same words. Hence why I didn't get the intended sarcasm.

Not all officers go to an academy. People can go through ROTC or OCS (my route).

Don't forget STA-21. (The route I intend to take, as a nuke.)

I know it wasn't just McCarthy but he was apart of it. As I said I wasn't entierly aware of it and didn't knwo about the HUAC which is what Neo was referring to by using those same words. Hence why I didn't get the intended sarcasm.

He wasn't part of HUAC, which is what, as you pointed out, our friend was referencing.

It was a terrible time in history. It's a stifle to free speech.

If people are committing crimes, they should be punished and there are already methods for doing so. Creating a group with the purpose of evaluating how American people are is stupid and dangerous and history proves it.

Officer Candy School? Wouldn't be surprised if that was a website complete with membership plans.

sounds more like a porn star's screen name to me.

sounds more like a porn star's screen name to me.

As a sign of my brain damage, it made me think of a hot nasty female cop straight out of a Poké-lemon.

Somebody explain to me how this is stealing from the American people.

If you're going to pick an issue, pick an actual issue that makes sense.
stealing because McCain opted to use Public Funding to run his campaign. That's public money paid out of the government coffers. Coffers filled with American taxpayer's money. If McCain used this to pay for Palin's wardrobe it can be construed as 'stealing' from the American taxpayer.

Regardless, it's an issue because they promoted Palin as a middle-class 'hockey' mom. Middle-class family worth, it's estimated $1.2 million and now with a $150,000 wardrobe.
ever so slightly hypocritical.

Kay, we need a humor break.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/johnmccainvideos/youtube/mccain-penn.htm

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobamavideos/youtube/barack-america.htm

Hey Kyronea,
Does Joe Biden make those "gaffes" deliberately. It's pretty good subliminal advertising: "Barack America"

Kay, we need a humor break.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/johnmccainvideos/youtube/mccain-penn.htm

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobamavideos/youtube/barack-america.htm

I want real humor from the candidates!

anyone got any vids about the roast they did for each other?

I want to ask something: Am I the only person who thinks that sitting in a plane on an aircraft carrier during the Cuban Missile Crisis does not equate to being "tested?" How the fuck did that test him in a crisis? He was effectively a grunt - he had no decision to make; he wasn't being challenged.

It just sounds more like his horseshit crystal ball stuff - I know how to win wars! I know how to find bin Laden! I know how to win Monopoly!

I want to ask something: Am I the only person who thinks that sitting in a plane on an aircraft carrier during the Cuban Missile Crisis does not equate to being "tested?" How the fuck did that test him in a crisis? He was effectively a grunt - he had no decision to make; he wasn't being challenged.

It just sounds more like his horseshit crystal ball stuff - I know how to win wars! I know how to find bin Laden! I know how to win Monopoly!

Something which Obama can't do.

I want to ask something: Am I the only person who thinks that sitting in a plane on an aircraft carrier during the Cuban Missile Crisis does not equate to being "tested?" How the fuck did that test him in a crisis? He was effectively a grunt - he had no decision to make; he wasn't being challenged.

It just sounds more like his horseshit crystal ball stuff - I know how to win wars! I know how to find bin Laden! I know how to win Monopoly!

There was the whole Forrestal incident, though bailing out of your plane on deck and then hiding below decks while your fellows die saving the ship is more failing a test I'd say.

There was the whole Forrestal incident, though bailing out of your plane on deck and then hiding below decks while your fellows die saving the ship is more failing a test I'd say.

Oh, goodie, so the old man is essentially claiming experience because he served in a real life version of Beetle Bailey's unit then?

Speak your mind love. Sometimes it take an outsider with a fresh view to point out what should be obvious to all.

Oh, I do. I'm just paying more attention to what your countrymen are saying at the moment.

If Obama wins, that'll be, indeed, a momentous instance in American history.:)

well i see mccain as representing economic intrests, however "differently" he may claim to be doing so, and obama representing more the concerns of real people, places and things.

idiological lables are just words. if not putting the intrests of symbolic value, that care no more about you or me, whether we live in kathmandu nepal, or denver colorado, ahead of the kind of world we all have to live in, is supposed to be some kind of "socialism", then i'm all for that kind of "socialism", and i don't see how anybody who doesn't have their head on completely ass backwards, or conned into the lie that they can expect to get anything out of makiavellianism, what logic there would be in being against it.

i'm not advocating procustianism. just better sense then letting makiavellianism destroy the only planet we have to live on.

so for me the choice is pretty clear. mccain isn't evil incarnate, but he is the less desirable of the available choices, at least in the context of the kind of world i would prefer to live in.

Somebody explain to me how this is stealing from the American people.

The RNC paid for her clothes. It's marketing expense for the campaign, and makes as much sense as any other television personality wearing nice expensive clothes. The difference is that they paid cash to Saks and Niemans instead of giving an advertising credit at the end of the program. I don't see any difference between packaging the candidate and decorating the stage or hanging big monitors so everyone can see. It's all about staging, and has bubkis to do with 'spending for personal reasons'.

If you're going to pick an issue, pick an actual issue that makes sense.
welllllll

it can be seen as an example of mrs palin be led around by the nose because she is too new to national politics to realize that she is being dragged into a minefield.

i saw a video of that interview with the obama family this summer by .... access hollywood maybe. mrs obama mentioned that the dress she was wearing cost $30 at the gap. im sure that the nice clothing that she wears to big time political events that are shown on tv cost far more but she has been around long enough to know that overspending on personal items can be spun very badly.

i dont know whose bright idea it was to spend money on designer clothing at neiman marcus and saks (maybe it was cindy mccain?) but it was very impolitic of them to do so when they could have gotten an equally fabulous look for about 1/10 of the money at cheaper outlets. it undercuts their anti-elite message.

i bet the kids are going to be pissed when they have to give back the great clothes that they have been wearing.

welllllll

it can be seen as an example of mrs palin be led around by the nose because she is too new to national politics to realize that she is being dragged into a minefield.

I'm not saying it was well handled. It wasn't. It's cynical, hypocritical, and manipulative by the RNC. It clearly demonstrates the concept of candidate as marketable package rather than independent entity. It shows Palin's utter inability to appreciate how appearance affects process. In short, it's really dumb.

What it doesn't show is anything new. We already knew that the RNC was holding the reins on Palin the show horse. We already knew that the former beauty queen values style over substance. We already knew that she's willing to showcase her husband and children as a campaign tool, but doesn't recognize the fact that such manipulation opens her up to legitimate attacks on her family.

I don't think it will cost her anything significant from the base, and it surely won't turn any Obama fans to her side. If any independents are so shallow as to make a political decision over fashion policy ... well, I'd just be appalled. There are far more serious issues with Palin to waste any more time on this idiocy.

And the news from Nevada....

URBAN COUNTIES: Democratic faithful turn out (http://www.lvrj.com/news/32802389.html)
65,000 vs. 30,000 Republicans cast ballots in early voting

I'm not saying it was well handled. It wasn't. It's cynical, hypocritical, and manipulative by the RNC. It clearly demonstrates the concept of candidate as marketable package rather than independent entity. It shows Palin's utter inability to appreciate how appearance affects process. In short, it's really dumb.

What it doesn't show is anything new. We already knew that the RNC was holding the reins on Palin the show horse. We already knew that the former beauty queen values style over substance. We already knew that she's willing to showcase her husband and children as a campaign tool, but doesn't recognize the fact that such manipulation opens her up to legitimate attacks on her family.

I don't think it will cost her anything significant from the base, and it surely won't turn any Obama fans to her side. If any independents are so shallow as to make a political decision over fashion policy ... well, I'd just be appalled. There are far more serious issues with Palin to waste any more time on this idiocy.
i dont find it a huge issue. if i liked her, it wouldnt make me not like her. after all she needed some nice campaigning clothing, she needed it right then and someone else was making the decisions and paying for it. she had far more important things to worry about.

this site is suggesting that she is going to have to pay tax on the clothing no matter if she has to give it back in the end or not.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/tax-expert-pali.html

in essence he is saying that since when she returns the clothing they will have minimal value SHE has to count that lost value as having come to her and declare it as income.

...But not a dime on lipstick.

:D

Not a dime, no. 132,000 dimes, apparently (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/10/httpwwwpoliticocomnewsstories1.html). :p

Oh, goodie, so the old man is essentially claiming experience because he served in a real life version of Beetle Bailey's unit then?

I object to that remark. Comparing the fine military personnel of Camp Swampy to McSame is the damn grave un-American insult to Camp Swampy!

:D

And the news from Nevada....

URBAN COUNTIES: Democratic faithful turn out (http://www.lvrj.com/news/32802389.html)
65,000 vs. 30,000 Republicans cast ballots in early voting

You just made my day. Maybe I won't damn our state to hell after all. Thank you Tyger!:hail:

You just made my day. Maybe I won't damn our state to hell after all. Thank you Tyger!:hail:

Don't count your votes before they're spoiled though. You've already seen the anti-voting tricks the RNC/GOP is putting into play.

Don't count your votes before they're spoiled though. You've already seen the anti-voting tricks the RNC/GOP is putting into play.


Just let me have one day... ONE DAY, to be proud of my state and optimistic about the future. :(

I promise that tomorrow I'll be back to my usual self.

Not a dime, no. 132,000 dimes, apparently (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/10/httpwwwpoliticocomnewsstories1.html). :p13k a month on makeup? Remind me to never bitch to my girlfreind again about the pitance she spends...

Not a dime, no. 132,000 dimes, apparently (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/10/httpwwwpoliticocomnewsstories1.html). :p

And yet thepitbull doesn't even look presentable still.

You just made my day. Maybe I won't damn our state to hell after all. Thank you Tyger!:hail:

Don't be too optomistic, you do realize that the Las Vegas Review Journal is terriblely Conservative. *sigh* I miss the Sun. And it's regulated to a small insert. Damn them all.

2 weeks til the election, 6 point lead in the polls, 10 point margin in Virginia, not a single narrow state leaning McCain's way...

Yeah, you can hope. It's about all you got left though.

LOL depends on your polls.. AP poll today says 1 point lead , but the polls are not always true. polls said kerry was winning and look where that got him??

And to the person who said if i want to see america get worse... if i wanted america worse off i would vote for obama. not mc cain.
Obama is about as trustworthy as osama

polls said kerry was winning
Said it was too close to call, actually.

LOL depends on your polls.. AP poll today says 1 point lead ,

And it has been discussed why the AP poll is a faulty poll. Every poll, minus that one and MAYBE one other had Obama up by at least 5 points.

but the polls are not always true.

Damn the evidence! Im going with my gut!

Aight Colbert.

polls said kerry was winning and look where that got him??

Except....thats not true.

And to the person who said if i want to see america get worse... if i wanted america worse off i would vote for obama. not mc cain.

Want to defend that claim?

Obama is about as trustworthy as osama

And here we have an informed voter.

LOL depends on your polls.. AP poll today says 1 point lead , but the polls are not always true. polls said kerry was winning and look where that got him??

Said it was to close to call actually.

And to the person who said if i want to see america get worse... if i wanted america worse off i would vote for obama. not mc cain.

Really you want more Neocon reaganomics after they have time and again put our economy in trouble. It doesnt work we have given it multiple chances every time our economy goes into a recesion, and the government gets into billions of dollars of debt.

Obama is about as trustworthy as osama

If you are going to insinuate that Obama is a muslim just come out and say it so I can write you off.

Obama is about as trustworthy as osama

Barack Obama's likely to engineer a plot to fly commercial airliners into New York skyscrapers?

Barack Obama's likely to engineer a plot to fly commercial airliners into New York skyscrapers?

........


You know too much.

Obama is about as trustworthy as osamaOsama's been pretty true to his word on hatin' America. If Obama is only half as trustworthy as that on his stance for America, he'll be the best president evah.

LOL depends on your polls.. AP poll today says 1 point lead , but the polls are not always true. polls said kerry was winning and look where that got him??

It's already pointed out that you simultaniously clung to an outlying poll and decried polls, and the fact that the race was actually too close to call-let me be more specific, the polls were close with a lean towards Bush at this time last election:
ICR (741 LV)

10/22 - 10/26

48% Bush

45% Kerry

2% Nader

Bush +3
CNN/USAT/Gallup (1195 LV)

10/22 - 10/24

51% Bush

46% Kerry

1% Nader

Bush +5
Los Angeles Times (881 LV)

10/21 - 10/24

48% Bush

48% Kerry

1% Nader

TIE
Newsweek (880 LV)

10/21 - 10/22

48% Bush

46% Kerry

1% Nader

Bush +2
Time (803 LV)

10/19 - 10/21

51% Bush

46% Kerry

2% Nader

Bush +5
GW/Battleground (1000 LV)

10/18 - 10/21

49% Bush

45% Kerry

1% Nader

Bush +4

Don't be too optomistic, you do realize that the Las Vegas Review Journal is terriblely Conservative. *sigh* I miss the Sun. And it's regulated to a small insert. Damn them all.

Like I said, let me have a day of hope. I'll revert back to pessimism tomorrow.

If you are going to insinuate that Obama is a muslim just come out and say it so I can write you off.
Indeed. Especially if he's insinuating that being a muslim is somehow a dealbreaker here.

Let's repeat:

I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.

I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards--Purple Heart, Bronze Star--showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at the very top of the headstone, it didn't have a Christian cross, it didn't have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way. And John McCain is as nondiscriminatory as anyone I know. But I'm troubled about the fact that, within the party, we have these kinds of expressions.
- Colin Powell

So what if John McCain was Arab or Muslim? Would it matter? When did that become a disqualifier for higher office in our country? When did Arab and Muslim being dirty words, the equivalent of dishonorable or radical?

Whenever this gets raised, the implication is that there's something wrong with being an Arab-American or a Muslim. And the media is complicit here, too. We have been all way too quick to accept the idea that calling someone Muslim is a slur."

"We can't tolerate this ignorance, not in the media, not on the campaign trail."
- Campbell Brown (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/campbell-brown-hits-back_n_134486.html?page=7)




I hate the Gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.
- John McCain (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL).

Ooopsie, I accidentally included the last one. Oh well...

Indeed. Especially if he's insinuating that being a muslim is somehow a dealbreaker here.

Let's repeat:

I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.

I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards--Purple Heart, Bronze Star--showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at the very top of the headstone, it didn't have a Christian cross, it didn't have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way. And John McCain is as nondiscriminatory as anyone I know. But I'm troubled about the fact that, within the party, we have these kinds of expressions.
- Colin Powell

So what if John McCain was Arab or Muslim? Would it matter? When did that become a disqualifier for higher office in our country? When did Arab and Muslim being dirty words, the equivalent of dishonorable or radical?

Whenever this gets raised, the implication is that there's something wrong with being an Arab-American or a Muslim. And the media is complicit here, too. We have been all way too quick to accept the idea that calling someone Muslim is a slur."

"We can't tolerate this ignorance, not in the media, not on the campaign trail."
- Campbell Brown (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/campbell-brown-hits-back_n_134486.html?page=7)




I hate the Gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.
- John McCain (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL).

Ooopsie, I accidentally included the last one. Oh well...


Flurk yes for Colin Powell and Campbell Brown!!! nicely done *claps*

and OMFG about that line from McCain :eek:
I don't even remember hearing about that. You'd think that this would have been highlighted by the librul media on a daily basis!

and OMFG about that line from McCain :eek:
I don't even remember hearing about that. You'd think that this would have been highlighted by the librul media on a daily basis!

It's The Liberal Media™ after all. They'll talk incessantly about Barack Hussein Obama the Ebil Closet Mozlem and his Whitey-Hatin' Christian Pastor, Pitbulls with Lipsticks and Sexism, but they're awful mum on Ted Hagee, Rod Parsley, Palin's personal Witch Smeller Pursuivant or McCain's Gookspeak.

You'd think that would kind of be Johnny Boy's personal Macaca on his back.

Flurk yes for Colin Powell and Campbell Brown!!! nicely done *claps*

and OMFG about that line from McCain :eek:
I don't even remember hearing about that. You'd think that this would have been highlighted by the librul media on a daily basis!
Well, McCain is getting the most negative attention...

Media Analysis: Coverage of McCain Twice as Negative as Obama

The Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism preformed a comprehensive analysis of this year's campaign coverage, reviewing "more than 2,000 stories from 43 news outlets from print, online, TV and radio, during six critical weeks of the general election phase from the end of the conventions through the final presidential debate."

Their findings? John McCain received nearly twice as much negative press coverage as did Barack Obama. According to the report, 57% of the stories about John McCain during the period between September 8 and October 16 were "clearly negative in tone," compared to 29% for Obama. Conversely, stories that were "clearly positive in tone" favored Obama over McCain by a factor of more than two to one, 36% for Obama to just 14% for McCain.

Some other highlights from the report:


Coverage of Obama began in the negative after the conventions, but the tone switched with the changing direction of the polls. The most positive stories about him were those that were most political - the ones focused on polling, the electoral map, and tactics.



For McCain, coverage began positively, but turned sharply negative with McCain's reaction to the crisis in the financial markets. As he took increasingly bolder steps to try and reverse the direction of the polls, the coverage only worsened. Attempts to turn the dialogue away from the economy through attacks on Obama's character did hurt Obama's media coverage, but McCain's was even more negative.



Horse race reporting, once again, made up the majority of coverage, but less so than earlier in the contest or than in previous elections. Since the conventions ended, 53% of the newshole studied has focused on political matters, particularly tactics, strategy and polling. That is more than twice as much as the coverage focused on policy (20%).


http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/10/media_analysis.html

...so you'd think they'd shout it from the rooftops.

Well, McCain is getting the most negative attention...



http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/10/media_analysis.html

...so you'd think they'd shout it from the rooftops.
there just isnt much positive news to be had about mccain

unless you want to pretend that hate spam calls and "obama is a terrorist" flyers are good...

there just isnt much positive news to be had about mccain

unless you want to pretend that hate spam calls and "obama is a terrorist" flyers are good...

What about "Palin is spending so much money that she'll single-handedly jump-start the economy!" ? :wink:

What about "Palin is spending so much money that she'll single-handedly jump-start the economy!" ? :wink:
youre right, its all in how you spin it!

there just isnt much positive news to be had about mccain

unless you want to pretend that hate spam calls and "obama is a terrorist" flyers are good...

This has always been the major flaw in this kind of analysis. It's the motherfucking news, not a tea party hosted by your mom and her therapist. It essentially says that in order to 'balance' things, you either have to follow a story that reflects badly on someone with, "Now say something nice," or go out and find anything bad to say about someone on 'the other side.' That's bullshit. If one side is throwing feces at crowds and punching grandmothers and the other is rescuing babies from burning buildings and building shelters for the homeless, that's just the way it is-but if you measured 'bias' using this formula you'd be able to go, "See, the media is clearly against the poop throwing grandma puncher! It's so unfair!" Especially when the reality is that they might even be playing down the effect of shit slinging and octogenarian socking even though it is a 'negative' story.

This has always been the major flaw in this kind of analysis. It's the motherfucking news, not a tea party hosted by your mom and her therapist. It essentially says that in order to 'balance' things, you either have to follow a story that reflects badly on someone with, "Now say something nice," or go out and find anything bad to say about someone on 'the other side.' That's bullshit. If one side is throwing feces at crowds and punching grandmothers and the other is rescuing babies from burning buildings and building shelters for the homeless, that's just the way it is-but if you measured 'bias' using this formula you'd be able to go, "See, the media is clearly against the poop throwing grandma puncher! It's so unfair!" Especially when the reality is that they might even be playing down the effect of shit slinging and octogenarian socking even though it is a 'negative' story.
in theory there should be enough good and bad news about both sides that it evens out in the long run.

the need to pretend to accept the bullshit that gets slung by the mccain campaign in order to not seem like you are in the bag for obama is ridiculous. the press gives mccain's outrageous statements far too much credence.

mccain can have good news as soon as he generates some.

Well, McCain is getting the most negative attention...

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/10/media_analysis.html

...so you'd think they'd shout it from the rooftops.

To be honest, I'm a little depressed that study was even carried out.

It's obvious McCain is getting less positive attribution in the media - but it's also obvious that it's BECAUSE he's being an asswipe.

Why is Obama getting less negative attention? Becuase he's being a lot less of a tool.

On Fox last night, they were trying to spin this as some kind of media bias (on Fox? Who knew?)... but there's no implicit bias in telling someone who is acting like a twat, that they're acting like a twat.

To be honest, I'm a little depressed that study was even carried out.

It's obvious McCain is getting less positive attribution in the media - but it's also obvious that it's BECAUSE he's being an asswipe.

Why is Obama getting less negative attention? Becuase he's being a lot less of a tool.

On Fox last night, they were trying to spin this as some kind of media bias (on Fox? Who knew?)... but there's no implicit bias in telling someone who is acting like a twat, that they're acting like a twat.

I know that feeling, and have to agree with you.

For all those bitching that all the coverage is slanted against the McCain team, here's a nice balanced article from Politico (the same site that broke the Palin clothing story).

What are the candidates hiding? (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14835.html)

What do you guys think the Scot Mclellan endorsement. The former Bush press seceratery claims he will be voting for Barrack Obama. He has been very critical of the Karl rove Political Machine, and that probably had a lot to do with his decision.

What do you guys think the Scot Mclellan endorsement. The former Bush press seceratery claims he will be voting for Barrack Obama. He has been very critical of the Karl rove Political Machine, and that probably had a lot to do with his decision.
Clearly he just did it because Obama was black.

Right?

I mean, that's what Rush Limbaugh and others said was the only reason Powell endorsed Obama, so the same must be true for a former Bush employee endorsing Obama.

/sarcasm

Finally, a real debate venue that makes sense.

The Obama Dance Crew vs. McCain's Grand Old Posse (http://view.break.com/592648)

Finally, a real debate venue that makes sense.

The Obama Dance Crew vs. McCain's Grand Old Posse (http://view.break.com/592648)That was hilarious. :)
Thanks for sharing.

Oh, I do. I'm just paying more attention to what your countrymen are saying at the moment.

If Obama wins, that'll be, indeed, a momentous instance in American history.:)

If either party wins it would be history in the making. I just hope the history is that Obama becomes Prez.

To be honest, I'm a little depressed that study was even carried out.

It's obvious McCain is getting less positive attribution in the media - but it's also obvious that it's BECAUSE he's being an asswipe.

Why is Obama getting less negative attention? Becuase he's being a lot less of a tool.

On Fox last night, they were trying to spin this as some kind of media bias (on Fox? Who knew?)... but there's no implicit bias in telling someone who is acting like a twat, that they're acting like a twat.

I'm no political scientist, but I think this is a handy bit of advice for anyone here who plans on running for an office: if you are going to get your message out through the media, don't do everything in your power to insult the media. There wasn't that much negative press about Sarah Palin until the campaign complained about the negative press, and I think reporters just got sick of striving for neutrality and getting shot down anyway.

I'm no political scientist, but I think this is a handy bit of advice for anyone here who plans on running for an office: if you are going to get your message out through the media, don't do everything in your power to insult the media. There wasn't that much negative press about Sarah Palin until the campaign complained about the negative press, and I think reporters just got sick of striving for neutrality and getting shot down anyway.

The pattern, and this can be argued, is that the press will hardly ever respond to accusations that it's being too mean, but will respond to it's being too nice.

However, 'the press is being too mean' is not, in fact, an attempt to get the press to be nicer. If you continue to do shit, they're going to report it. Instead, it's an attempt to get ahead of the story in the minds of the audience-if you can convince the audience that 'they're always talkin' smack 'cause they be hatin'' then the stories, regardless of whether or not they're true, will be viewed in that light.

And it works. But it just might have a limit, and Bush may have found it.

The pattern, and this can be argued, is that the press will hardly ever respond to accusations that it's being too mean, but will respond to it's being too nice.

However, 'the press is being too mean' is not, in fact, an attempt to get the press to be nicer. If you continue to do shit, they're going to report it. Instead, it's an attempt to get ahead of the story in the minds of the audience-if you can convince the audience that 'they're always talkin' smack 'cause they be hatin'' then the stories, regardless of whether or not they're true, will be viewed in that light.
Oh no, I know complaints the press is biased aren't meant to get the press to change; they're meant to make people disregard reports that show the candidate acting in an unflattering way, like you say. But newspapers also know what stories will sell, and if a candidate doesn't show the decency to respect the institution that is broadcasting their speeches and debates for free, the front page editor may feel less bad about reporting on Palin's 150,000 dollar wardrobe.

Interesting:


"GOP 'goner' list warns of House rout.

An internal document circulating among House Republicans warns of an impending congressional bloodbath, listing 58 Republican-held House seats being at risk, and 11 already considered as good as gone. As many as 34 GOP-held seats are in serious jeopardy of swinging to Democrats, the assessment shows."

Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081023/pl_politico/14885;_ylt=AroHTuBh8nV_Hod5.ggLSJOMwfIE

I'm no political scientist, but I think this is a handy bit of advice for anyone here who plans on running for an office: if you are going to get your message out through the media, don't do everything in your power to insult the media. There wasn't that much negative press about Sarah Palin until the campaign complained about the negative press, and I think reporters just got sick of striving for neutrality and getting shot down anyway.
sooooo true!

first mccain dissed letterman and letterman went on a 3 week attack. then palin pissed of jon stewart with the whole "real america" thing and the daily show has gone a bit viscious on her. the new york times has done far more exposees on mccain than on obama.

DONT PISS OFF THE LIBERAL ELITE MEDIA!

they will get you.

Interesting:



Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081023/pl_politico/14885;_ylt=AroHTuBh8nV_Hod5.ggLSJOMwfIE

Also interesting:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/todays-polls-1023-mccain-on-life.html

538 now shows Indiana blue. Depending on poll Obama is either winning by 9.5 points or 4 points. Not a huge lead on the low end, but still a lead. McCain's win percentage dropped to 3.7% and Obama's landslide (375 EV+) jumped to over 50%.