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Reason #344,556,789 to homeschool your children.

You're against sex education? Or am I missing something.

You're against sex education? Or am I missing something.

Eh? This page has nothing to do with sex education, it has to do with the play 'Monologues from a Vagina'.

Eh? This page has nothing to do with sex education, it has to do with the play 'Monologues from a Vagina'.

Have you been reading the past few pages? There's been a debate going on about sex education in school. Though now that Soviestan's stopped replying I assume it's over.

Still, the lack of a quotation kind of threw things off.

Reason #344,556,789 to homeschool your children.
Can you be more specific?

By doing so, you will be able to avoid such sillyness as banning your children from the word 'vagina'.

You can also expose them to better literature.

By doing so, you will be able to avoid such sillyness as banning your children from the word 'vagina'.

Meh. Your kids will have to encounter the outside world at some point. This is why it's important to educate your kids at home in addition to schooling.


You can also expose them to better literature.
What would stop you from exposing your kids to great literature if they went to public schools? My parents introduced me to at least two thirds of the awesome books I've read, and I was never home schooled.

Isn't sex-phobia cute?

"Bodies are TEH EBIL! No touchie!!!"

"Womenz have dirty sin-parts of badness! There's no reason for them to have orgasms, when we could just rape them when we need bay-bees!"

"Sex is for making of bay-bees and that's all! No, I've never actually bothered to learn a single solitary thing about anthropology or primate biology!!!"

"RARRRR!!! SEX BAD!"

what when did that happen ,ok who did not past that message on to me

Meh. Your kids will have to encounter the outside world at some point. This is why it's important to educate your kids at home in addition to schooling.

I'm sure me and my fiancee can do better then most teachers, at least where I live.

What would stop you from exposing your kids to great literature if they went to public schools? My parents introduced me to at least two thirds of the awesome books I've read, and I was never home schooled.

Because I will be able to spend the eight-hours-per-day of school with the child, instead, exposing him to a curriculum of my choice (assuming I can afford it when I have a child).

There's nothing wrong with having a vagina, so why should there be anything wrong with talking about having one?

This is Soviestan. He thinks that there is something wrong with having a vagina.

Because I will be able to spend the eight-hours-per-day of school with the child, instead, exposing him to a curriculum of my choice (assuming I can afford it when I have a child).

And that's the crux of the issue. You want to censor what your child hears.

I'm sure me and my fiancee can do better then most teachers, at least where I live.

Of course that's your call. My parents decided not to live in any place that had shitty schools. But that was largely because both of my parents had careers that they valued a lot, and we also weren't rich enough to do without one of their salaries, so neither one could take on the responsibility of home-schooling.


Because I will be able to spend the eight-hours-per-day of school with the child, instead, exposing him to a curriculum of my choice (assuming I can afford it when I have a child).
That wasn't what I asked.

My point was that you can educate your kids, spend time with your kids, introduce your kids to great books, and all that jazz, regardless of whether or not they are home-schooled. People seem to think it's all-or-nothing. Like if you send your kids off to school then you can't possibly educate your kids yourself. That's bunk.

This is Soviestan. He thinks that there is something wrong with having a vagina.
In his world view, God is the Creator. Hence, God made vaginas. Hence, Sovietstan is insulting God and His will if he says that the vagina is bad.

In his world view, God is the Creator. Hence, God made vaginas. Hence, Sovietstan is insulting God and His will if he says that the vagina is bad.

Honestly, I doubt he believes that. He only converted to Islam because of the whole burkha thing.

Honestly, I doubt he believes that. He only converted to Islam because of the whole burkha thing.

thats saying something is it now

Honestly, I doubt he believes that. He only converted to Islam because of the whole burkha thing.
Sadly, I suspect you're right. It seems that a great many people select their religion based on how well it helps them justify their personal bigotry.

Sadly, I suspect you're right. It seems that a great many people select their religion based on how well it helps them justify their personal bigotry.

Which is partly the reason I'm agnostic.

Which is partly the reason I'm agnostic.

I have to admit, one of the things that pisses me off the most about religion is how so many people use it as a chicken-shit excuse.

I dislike bigotry enough as it is, but when somebody is so cowardly that they need to hide behind their religion while they practice their bigotry it really gets to me.

As many people have pointed out already, Sovietstan's dislike of vaginas goes hand in hand with his dislike of the individuals who happen to have vaginas. His religiosity seems to be fundamentally grounded in his desire to control and dominate women, and misogyny is what really directs his "faith."

The wonder and glory of Allah's creation doesn't include the hateful, dirty vagina and the useless, "irrational" clitoris. Even knowing the NAME for female body parts is a perversion. Teaching children to understand and respect their bodies is equated with abuse. Knowledge is corruption. Etc, etc, etc.

When you get right down to it, sexphobia is generally rooted in the fear that uppity womenfolk might start choosing what they do with their vaginas, as if they had the right or something.

I have to admit, one of the things that pisses me off the most about religion is how so many people use it as a chicken-shit excuse.

I dislike bigotry enough as it is, but when somebody is so cowardly that they need to hide behind their religion while they practice their bigotry it really gets to me.

As many people have pointed out already, Sovietstan's dislike of vaginas goes hand in hand with his dislike of the individuals who happen to have vaginas. His religiosity seems to be fundamentally grounded in his desire to control and dominate women, and misogyny is what really directs his "faith."

The wonder and glory of Allah's creation doesn't include the hateful, dirty vagina and the useless, "irrational" clitoris. Even knowing the NAME for female body parts is a perversion. Teaching children to understand and respect their bodies is equated with abuse. Knowledge is corruption. Etc, etc, etc.

When you get right down to it, sexphobia is generally rooted in the fear that uppity womenfolk might start choosing what they do with their vaginas, as if they had the right or something.

they have not got the guts to face the fact they do it

Yep. Also a gag and an anal protection, just to avoid unnatural intercourses. And barbed gloves will keep our child free from "self-abuse"...:D

Hell, instead of a gag, give them a mask. With a zipper over the mouth so they can eat.

This is just ridiculous. Obviously they do things differently here, but I was told about sex and the sexual parts of the body in grade 5 (10-11 years old) AT SCHOOL. Of course, my parents gave me more info about it much earlier, but the government approved time the board of education decided it was right for kids to get the CORRECT ideas and facts about sex, as well as safe sex practices and information about STI's, was when the majority of kids were 10 or 11.

I have to say, I had the same experience. 5th grade we had a basic sex ed class. Not EVERYTHING, but a good portion of it, was explained that early on. And I haven't noticed everyone I grew up with turning into sex-crazed rapists...

It is an even better thing to learn that there are things not worth being suspended over, and that this was one of them.
Yes, the school administrators were stupid to have tried to ban the word, but so is any other organization that attempts to ban words based on the idea that they might shock or offend. However, it was even stupider of the girl to rise to the bait.
I personally hope that all involved be smited for their stupidity, may their loins be as barren and wasted as the contents of their useless heads, that their seed shall not spread to stain further human histories.

I disagree. I think this is the perfect thing to get suspended over because the school was wrong, wrong, wrong. Now getting suspended over not turning in your homework, smoking, drinking bullying - now that would have been stupid.

At least this way she's fighting against the bigoted stupidity of the school and it's board, giving us something to discuss and disgust over, and probably going to pay for her college tuition...

His religiosity seems to be fundamentally grounded in his desire to control and dominate women, and misogyny is what really directs his "faith."

The wonder and glory of Allah's creation doesn't include the hateful, dirty vagina and the useless, "irrational" clitoris. Even knowing the NAME for female body parts is a perversion. Teaching children to understand and respect their bodies is equated with abuse. Knowledge is corruption. Etc, etc, etc.

When you get right down to it, sexphobia is generally rooted in the fear that uppity womenfolk might start choosing what they do with their vaginas, as if they had the right or something.

Actually what direct his "faith" is nothing more than the hate of a psychotically unstable bedoiun, who couldn't accept the principle tennant of the two main competing faiths of his time. The primary difference between Islam and any other religion, is the complete abcense of love in any of it's tennants.

Budhism: Love everything
Judism: Love God
Christianity: Love your fellow man as you've been loved by God (this is the "howto" of Judism)

Fill your own example in here...

Islam: Hate whatever moves, isn't ours and threatens us.

I'm sure me and my fiancee can do better then most teachers, at least where I live.

*clears throat* "My fiance and I....." You should start practicing now, I suppose. =)


Islam: Hate whatever moves, isn't ours and threatens us.

:rolleyes:

Actually what direct his "faith" is nothing more than the hate of a psychotically unstable bedoiun, who couldn't accept the principle tennant of the two main competing faiths of his time. The primary difference between Islam and any other religion, is the complete abcense of love in any of it's tennants.

Budhism: Love everything
Judism: Love God
Christianity: Love your fellow man as you've been loved by God (this is the "howto" of Judism)

Fill your own example in here...

Islam: Hate whatever moves, isn't ours and threatens us.

Buddhism in practice: Elitism
Judaism in practice: Isolationism, some would point to Israel and argue territorialism, but I do not wish to argue this point as I don't feel strongly about it either way.
Christianity in practice: Bigotry, racism, slavery in a "Nation Under God" slightly over 150 years ago, women being unable to vote 50 years ago. The socially conservative and authoritarian component being against the HPV, on the grounds that apparently preventing cervical cancer is less important than preventing premarital sex.
Hinduism in practice: rigid social hierarchy. Elitism. Xenophobia. Poor treatment of untouchables.
Islam in practice: Authoritarian. Violence, mysogyny.

All of them also exhibit a seemingly endemic problem in organized religion: A feeling or moral monopoly and superiority. The belief that because they must be right, and because they can be the only ones that are right, anything outside the scope of their beliefs is inherently wrong, amoral, or sinful.

Kindly dissuade yourself from the notion that your beliefs make you somehow superior to "them".

I disagree. I think this is the perfect thing to get suspended over because the school was wrong, wrong, wrong. Now getting suspended over not turning in your homework, smoking, drinking bullying - now that would have been stupid.
Then it was "wrong, wrong, wrong" of her to agree to the schoolboard's ruling, and getting suspended over something as petty or easily avoidable as wandering stage during a school sponsored open mic night and saying vagina, even though you'd promised you wouldn't, is about the stupidest thing one can suspended over.
At least this way she's fighting against the bigoted stupidity of the school and it's board, giving us something to discuss and disgust over, and probably going to pay for her college tuition...
By which you mean, "The taxpayers of New York who fund the school she goes to are going to pay her college tuition because she is a lying attention-whore with a bug up her ass."

Then it was "wrong, wrong, wrong" of her to agree to the schoolboard's ruling, and getting suspended over something as petty or easily avoidable as wandering stage during a school sponsored open mic night and saying vagina, even though you'd promised you wouldn't, is about the stupidest thing one can suspended over.Even if you're right--and you aren't--then what's even more stupid is the position the administrator put himself in to begin with. If keeping a ninth-grader from saying the word vagina into a microphone is that damn important to you--a stupid position in and of itself--then don't give the ninth-grader permission to do a selection from the goddamn Vagina Monologues. Any flak he'd have caught from that would have been minimal and completely defensible.

What he's doing is the equivalent of sticking his hand in a mousetrap and then bitching because his fingers hurt when it went off and snapped them.

Some of them are hairy
Some of them are bald
Some are kinda scary
And this is what they're called...

Vagina
Vagina

They call that thing Vagina

Some belong to virgins
They're really tight and strong
But big or small, I love 'em all
That's why I sing my song
Vagina
Vagina
They call that thing Vagina

Someof them are smelly
Like clams, and fish, and such
Some smell like a summers' eve
'Cause they've been douched too much

Vagina
Vagina

They call that thing vagina
They call that thing vagina
Nothing could be finer than to be in a vagina in the morning...

I have only one reply to people who say that:

"Penis. Vagina. Uterus. Testicle. Ovary. Fallopian Tube. Scrotum. Cervix.

And have a nice day. :)"

No clitoris? :confused: How could you forget that one?

Isn't sex-phobia cute?

"Bodies are TEH EBIL! No touchie!!!"

"Womenz have dirty sin-parts of badness! There's no reason for them to have orgasms, when we could just rape them when we need bay-bees!"

"Sex is for making of bay-bees and that's all! No, I've never actually bothered to learn a single solitary thing about anthropology or primate biology!!!"

"RARRRR!!! SEX BAD!"

I have only one reply to people who say that:

"Penis. Vagina. Uterus. Testicle. Ovary. Fallopian Tube. Scrotum. Cervix.

And have a nice day. :)"

What he's doing is the equivalent of sticking his hand in a mousetrap and then bitching because his fingers hurt when it went off and snapped them.
And the girl's actions are superior, how?

9th grade students asked for permission to read, at an open-mic session, a selection from Eve Ensler's "The Vagina Monologues." They got it, with the pre-condition that they, get this, not utter the word vagina aloud. (http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007703060363) So they did anyway--but only this passage:

The horror! The anguish! That a child might learn the actual name of a body part instead of some ridiculous euphemism like "hoo-hah."

The girls read that line together as a sign of unity, but I wonder what would have happened if they'd shoved the restriction right back in the principal's face and replaced vagina with something a bit more rude like maybe pussy or ****. Think he might have completely shit his pants then?

Bah. Maud Lebowski best described this type of person:
These kids are RETARDED."My short skirt is a liberation
flag in the women’s army
I declare these streets, any streets
my vagina’s country. "Uh,Okay.They specifically asked to read this passage?This wasnt just an assignment?Wow.

Do you know anything about the Vagina Monologues, from which they got this from?

Won a few awards didn't it?

These kids are RETARDED."My short skirt is a liberation
flag in the women’s army
I declare these streets, any streets
my vagina’s country. "Uh,Okay.They specifically asked to read this passage?This wasnt just an assignment?Wow.

Do you know anything about the Vagina Monologues, from which they got this from?

One more reason for me to leave this country...

Do you know anything about the Vagina Monologues, from which they got this from?

Its some stupid feminist bullshit.

Its some stupid feminist bullshit.

And there you have it. Sexism personified.

And there you have it. Sexism personified.

So that's what a brain-dead bigot sounds like. I never knew.

And there you have it. Sexism personified.

What,do you read Eva Ensler or something?

What,do you read Eva Ensler or something?

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Ow, my head. That question really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Well,why did you respond to it?That is,I believe,(I might be wrong)the name of the author of the book.So thats what I was talking about.You sounded like some raging feminist "Aha,so theres what male supremacist thinking looks like!"
And there you have it. Sexism personified.

=

Aha,so theres what male supremacist thinking looks like!

:confused: :confused:

I'd have to say he's absolutely right, by the way.

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Ow, my head. That question really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Well,why did you respond to it?That is,I believe,(I might be wrong)the name of the author of the book.So thats what I was talking about.You sounded like some raging feminist "Aha,so theres what male supremacist thinking looks like!"

Well,why did you respond to it?That is,I believe,(I might be wrong)the name of the author of the book.So thats what I was talking about.You sounded like some raging feminist "Aha,so theres what male supremacist thinking looks like!"

Your inability to correctly space words, and your apparent disdain for proper grammar, pegs you as either a mentally handicapped individual, or a little boy who just found the Zomg INterWebs,Yo!

Either way, I will now proceed to ignore everything to say. Have a nice life.

I have only one reply to people who say that:

"Penis. Vagina. Uterus. Testicle. Ovary. Fallopian Tube. Scrotum. Cervix.

And have a nice day. :)"

I am confused.:( I've always thought that sex was something horrible, and bodies are disgusting, especially private parts, and especially mine. But I can handle hearing people use those words a lot more easily than I can tolerate hearing euphemisms, because the above are more impersonal and technical so I can just think of it as learning something rather than thinking about something bad, but other words are much more icky. I'm scared, though. You can probably just not pay any attention to me, though. I'm just on one of the bad times of the way I think about this. Sometimes I can actually think of myself as something other than completely unattractive, but then sometimes when I think that, I feel that that means that other people might be able to tell, and then that means that I must have failed somehow in my modesty. Sorry to rant like this, though.:(

I have to admit, one of the things that pisses me off the most about religion is how so many people use it as a chicken-shit excuse.

I dislike bigotry enough as it is, but when somebody is so cowardly that they need to hide behind their religion while they practice their bigotry it really gets to me.

As many people have pointed out already, Sovietstan's dislike of vaginas goes hand in hand with his dislike of the individuals who happen to have vaginas. His religiosity seems to be fundamentally grounded in his desire to control and dominate women, and misogyny is what really directs his "faith."

The wonder and glory of Allah's creation doesn't include the hateful, dirty vagina and the useless, "irrational" clitoris. Even knowing the NAME for female body parts is a perversion. Teaching children to understand and respect their bodies is equated with abuse. Knowledge is corruption. Etc, etc, etc.

When you get right down to it, sexphobia is generally rooted in the fear that uppity womenfolk might start choosing what they do with their vaginas, as if they had the right or something.

You know what? I've kept my faith out of this decision as it doesn't have much to with what we are talking about here, yet for some reason you feel the need to drag it into it just to bash it. I was speaking from a scientific stand point as you secularists love to use science to justify just about anything under the sun including very young teens having sex without be married or anything. But thats getting off topic. Of course Allah swt created us as he saw fit and he did give women clitorises. However what I was saying is that they weren't designed for women to have orgasms, they were designed to easy childbirthing. we must be careful to guard against using things for what they weren't intended.

You know what? I've kept my faith out of this decision as it doesn't have much to with what we are talking about here, yet for some reason you feel the need to drag it into it just to bash it. I was speaking from a scientific stand point as you secularists love to use science to justify just about anything under the sun including very young teens having sex without be married or anything. But thats getting off topic. Of course Allah swt created us as he saw fit and he did give women clitorises. However what I was saying is that they weren't designed for women to have orgasms, they were designed to easy childbirthing. we must be careful to guard against using things for what they weren't intended.
Please explain how you know what your god is thinking. Did Allah appear to you in a dream and said "Hey, Soviestan, you know those clitorises were intended for easy childbirthing, not orgasms." ?

I am confused.:( I've always thought that sex was something horrible, and bodies are disgusting, especially private parts, and especially mine. But I can handle hearing people use those words a lot more easily than I can tolerate hearing euphemisms, because the above are more impersonal and technical so I can just think of it as learning something rather than thinking about something bad, but other words are much more icky. I'm scared, though. You can probably just not pay any attention to me, though. I'm just on one of the bad times of the way I think about this. Sometimes I can actually think of myself as something other than completely unattractive, but then sometimes when I think that, I feel that that means that other people might be able to tell, and then that means that I must have failed somehow in my modesty. Sorry to rant like this, though.:(

I hope you're not serious about thinking you're disgusting. But I agree with you Vagina is a doctor's word while euphimisms are realy like the opposite of euphimisms. They sound a lot dirtier.

Please explain how you know what your god is thinking. Did Allah appear to you in a dream and said "Hey, Soviestan, you know those clitorises were intended for easy childbirthing, not orgasms." ?

what? Clitorise in childbirth? I've never had a baby but how does that work. The clitorise is on the outside.

I hope you're not serious about thinking you're disgusting.
I'm pretty sure she is.

You know what? I've kept my faith out of this decision as it doesn't have much to with what we are talking about here, yet for some reason you feel the need to drag it into it just to bash it. I was speaking from a scientific stand point as you secularists love to use science to justify just about anything under the sun including very young teens having sex without be married or anything. But thats getting off topic. Of course Allah swt created us as he saw fit and he did give women clitorises. However what I was saying is that they weren't designed for women to have orgasms, they were designed to easy childbirthing. we must be careful to guard against using things for what they weren't intended.

You're incorrect. The sole function of the clitoris is for sexual stimulation and orgasm.

Also, if Allah made is possible (and not to mention downright straightforward) to induce orgasms in women, why would it be wrong to do so?

I hope you're not serious about thinking you're disgusting. But I agree with you Vagina is a doctor's word while euphimisms are realy like the opposite of euphimisms. They sound a lot dirtier.
I'm pretty sure she is.
Unfortunately, I am serious.:(

You're incorrect. The sole function of the clitoris is for sexual stimulation and orgasm.

Also, if Allah made is possible (and not to mention downright straightforward) to induce orgasms in women, why would it be wrong to do so?

It is not totally forbidden for women to have orgasms but it is not the sole purpose of a clitoris, not even close. Its not even the main reason.

It is not totally forbidden for women to have orgasms but it is not the sole purpose of a clitoris, not even close. Its not even the main reason.

Do you have a source to back this up? Because everything I've read so far about the clit is that it's sole purpose is sexual stimulation and orgasm.

Do you have a source to back this up? Because everything I've read so far about the clit is that it's sole purpose is sexual stimulation and orgasm.

Sovietstan has no clue what he is talking about.

And yet they refuse to fail a kid because it might "hurt their feelings" if they were to find out that they were too dumb to pass the grade.

My point was that you can educate your kids, spend time with your kids, introduce your kids to great books, and all that jazz, regardless of whether or not they are home-schooled. People seem to think it's all-or-nothing. Like if you send your kids off to school then you can't possibly educate your kids yourself. That's bunk.

Yes, but I am of the opinion 'all' is generally better then 'some'.

And yet they refuse to fail a kid because it might "hurt their feelings" if they were to find out that they were too dumb to pass the grade.

Where do they do that? They fail people here quite often, it seems. That's just...ridiculous, and sad.

It is not totally forbidden for women to have orgasms but it is not the sole purpose of a clitoris, not even close. Its not even the main reason.

And you know this how?

Do you have a source to back this up? Because everything I've read so far about the clit is that it's sole purpose is sexual stimulation and orgasm.
It is. Indeed, the clitoris is the only human organ that exists exclusively for pleasure.

But don't waste your time waiting for Sovietstan to provide sources or honest answers. His cowardice on this subject has been amply established.

Actually what direct his "faith" is nothing more than the hate of a psychotically unstable bedoiun, who couldn't accept the principle tennant of the two main competing faiths of his time. The primary difference between Islam and any other religion, is the complete abcense of love in any of it's tennants.

Islam includes love in its tennants just as all the other faiths you mention. The practice, of course, leaves something to be desired, but this is also true for all the faiths you mentioned.

Buddhism is patriarchal, frequently anti-woman and also anti-sex. There's a healthy helping of racism tossed in, to boot.

Judaism and Christianity contain some of the most flagrant woman-hating and racism one could imagine, including God's direct instructions to rape, enslave, and murder other human beings. God specifically protects and honors individuals who rape and murder throughout the holy texts of these faiths.

I find it adorable when people are ignorant enough to pretend that Islam is somehow unique for including racism, sexism, and violence in its history. Seriously, do you people sleep through every single history class?

It is. Indeed, the clitoris is the only human organ that exists exclusively for pleasure.

But don't waste your time waiting for Sovietstan to provide sources or honest answers. His cowardice on this subject has been amply established.

Too many men are cowards when it comes to the clitoris (not the same way as Sovietistan, but still). Ah, well, more for me!

You know what? I've kept my faith out of this decision as it doesn't have much to with what we are talking about here, yet for some reason you feel the need to drag it into it just to bash it.

It is to laugh. You have presented nothing BUT faith through this entire discussion. I know it is probably embarrassing for you that I so openly point out the way you hide behind your supposed "faith," but honestly...it's not like it's some big secret. Everybody can see it.


I was speaking from a scientific stand point as you secularists love to use science to justify just about anything under the sun including very young teens having sex without be married or anything.

You have yet to present a single piece of evidence, scientific or otherwise. You have been speaking about your personal opinions, none of which are so far supported by any data whatsoever. You can claim to be speaking from a "scientific stand point" all you want, but you might just as well claim that you're speaking from a "magically flying bunny stand point." Both are just as obviously fantasy on your part.


But thats getting off topic. Of course Allah swt created us as he saw fit and he did give women clitorises. However what I was saying is that they weren't designed for women to have orgasms, they were designed to easy childbirthing. we must be careful to guard against using things for what they weren't intended.
Ok, Mr. Scientific Standpoint, let's see your evidence. If, as you claim, you are NOT speaking in terms of your faith, then let's hear your secular scientific support for this claim.

Or--gasp--could it be that you were lying from the beginning when you claimed to be speaking from a scientific standpoint? Could it be that you know full well you were speaking from the point of view of your own opinions and faith, yet you falsely claimed to be speaking from science in an attempt to legitimize your unfounded bigotry?! Say it ain't so!

The horror! The anguish! That a child might learn the actual name of a body part instead of some ridiculous euphemism like "hoo-hah."



The children should have not been able to read a poem about their vaginas in the first place.

I'm amazed so many people are justifying 14 year olds discussing their roast beef in front of other children and grown ups alike.

The children should have not been able to read a poem about their vaginas in the first place.

I'm amazed so many people are justifying 14 year olds discussing their roast beef in front of other children and grown ups alike.

Mwahahah what they are 14 years old, they have heard worse in the playground, and your eally thing, a 14 year old, with their 14 year old hormones are not going to be interested/questioning sex? For Gods sake, it's slap bang in the middle of puberty!

The children should have not been able to read a poem about their vaginas in the first place.

I'm amazed so many people are justifying 14 year olds discussing their roast beef in front of other children and grown ups alike.

Oh brother. There is nothing wrong with the Vagina Monologes!

Mwahahah what they are 14 years old, they have heard worse in the playground, and your eally thing, a 14 year old, with their 14 year old hormones are not going to be interested/questioning sex? For Gods sake, it's slap bang in the middle of puberty!


The playground is not school. Behavior that children engage in outside while playing or hanging out is not appropiate in school.

How old are you?

The playground is not school. Behavior that children engage in outside while playing or hanging out is not appropiate in school.

How old are you?

Mwahaha you're funny!

Why? How old are you?

Oh brother. There is nothing wrong with the Vagina Monologes!

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the Vagina Monologes.

I said it's inappropiate for children to discuss their vaginas in school at an assembly.

The children should have not been able to read a poem about their vaginas in the first place.

Can I get a straight answer from one of you folks?

WHY?!

Specifically, what is the harm from 14 year olds who have vaginas reading a poem about vaginas?


I'm amazed so many people are justifying 14 year olds discussing their roast beef in front of other children and grown ups alike.
Well, for one thing, hopefully it will help them at least know that "roast beef" is a completely bizarre and irrelevant euphemism for a vagina, since calling it "roast beef" pretty much just tells everybody else that you've never so much as seen one.

Mwahaha you're funny!

Why? How old are you?

I'm 27.

I'm curious how old you are.

If you're over 18 it would worry me that you would want 14 year old girls to discuss there vaginas in public.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the Vagina Monologes.

I said it's inappropiate for children to discuss their vaginas in school at an assembly.

What are ya? Sovietstan's puppet? Get a life. :rolleyes:

heh, They should have said the word **** instead then. I seem to remember there's a focus on removing the negative conotations that are associated with that word.

And the girls could say 'What, you only said we couldn't say the word 'vagina'.'

This is hilarious though. You can just imagine this event with directions to it in the school or in the school newslater or whatever.

In other news:
Megan Reback, Elan Stahl and Hannah Levinson will be reading a selection from the V****** Monologues. The V***** Monologues is made up of a varying number of monologues, with each monologue somehow relating to the v*****, be it through sex, love, rape, menstruation, mutilation, masturbation, birth, orgasm, the variety of names for the v*****, or simply as a physical aspect of the female body. The V****** Monologues tries to purge us of whatever phobias we might have about female sex organs and sexuality. Refreshments will be available.

The irony is just... fantastic. It just seems like the whole thing's been scripted.

Can I get a straight answer from one of you folks?

WHY?!

Specifically, what is the harm from 14 year olds who have vaginas reading a poem about vaginas?

Why?

I need to explain to you why 14 year old girls talking about there vaginas in front of a school full of horny young boys and grown ups is inappropiate?

Christ You're the reason we have 16 year old kids fucking in school and 25% of the population has genital warts.


Well, for one thing, hopefully it will help them at least know that "roast beef" is a completely bizarre and irrelevant euphemism for a vagina, since calling it "roast beef" pretty much just tells everybody else that you've never so much as seen one.

I'm married with 2 kids. If you can't keep your insults to your self, shut your fucking mouth and don't speak at me.

I'm 27.

I'm curious how old you are.

If you're over 18 it would worry me that you would want 14 year old girls to discuss there vaginas in public.


Mawahahah you are toooo funny, I'm 38. Now as to want, or see nowt wrong, I think they are two differant things don't you?

Ohhh obviously not!

Their roast beef? :rolleyes:

You don't like a a little humor?

I think R0cka might be a little hungry :D

;)

The children should have not been able to read a poem about their vaginas in the first place.

I'm amazed so many people are justifying 14 year olds discussing their roast beef in front of other children and grown ups alike.

Their roast beef? :rolleyes:

I think R0cka might be a little hungry :D

Which means he wants to give cunnilingus to minors. What a sick freak.

Their roast beef? :rolleyes:

I think R0cka might be a little hungry :D

What are ya? Sovietstan's puppet? Get a life. :rolleyes:

Oh horse shit.

But when in doubt, fling insults.

What kind of delusional world do you live in?

"Talking about sex = sex" is WRONG

Shut up

I didn't say talking about sex is wrong.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Why?

I need to explain to you why 14 year old girls talking about there vaginas in front of a school full of horny young boys and grown ups is inappropiate?

What kind of delusional world do you live in?

"Talking about sex = sex" is WRONG

Shut up

Why?

I need to explain to you why 14 year old girls talking about there vaginas in front of a school full of horny young boys and grown ups is inappropiate?

Christ You're the reason we have 16 year old kids fucking in school and 25% of the population has genital warts.

Answer the fucking question and stop dodging it.

I'm married with 2 kids. If you can't keep your insults to your self, shut your fucking mouth and don't speak at me.

You're the one bringing it upon yourself by not explaining it.

Why?

I need to explain to you why 14 year old girls talking about there vaginas in front of a school full of horny young boys and grown ups is inappropiate?Actually, you do.

Christ You're the reason we have 16 year old kids fucking in school and 25% of the population has genital warts.So you're actually saying that 16 year olds weren't fucking before people started calling body parts by their proper names in public, that somehow the use of words like "vagina" started teenage fuck sessions that were heretofore unknown and unheard of? You're really claiming that?


I'm married with 2 kids. If you can't keep your insults to your self, shut your fucking mouth and don't speak at me.
Hey--don't say stupid shit, you won't get called stupid. That's all I'm saying here.

Why?

I need to explain to you why 14 year old girls talking about there vaginas in front of a school full of horny young boys and grown ups is inappropiate?

Yes, you do.

Are you saying that anybody who hears the word "vagina" will be "horny"? Are you suggesting that anybody who hears the word "vagina" will be unable to control their sexual behavior?

Are you saying that 14 year old girls should not talk about their bodies because they will be raped if they do? Do you have any evidence to support this claim? And, even if it is true, why should our answer be to punish the victims? Are you saying that men are justified in raping girls who talk about their body parts?

Are you suggesting that the reactions of the men and boys in the audience are somehow more important than the reactions of the women in the audience? If men and boys are unable to deal with the word "vagina," then shouldn't that simply mean that we forbid men and boys to go out into the world, where they might encounter this word? Why should women and girls (who, apparently, can handle this word) be forced to limit their behavior if men and boys are the ones who are out of control?

Are you suggesting that all men and boys share what I can only assume is your own personal hangup about this word? Do you feel that it may be a little insulting to suggests that men and boys cannot deal with hearing the correct term for a body part possessed by 51% of the humans on this planet?


Christ You're the reason we have 16 year old kids fucking in school and 25% of the population has genital warts.

Actually, all current evidence shows that incidence of unprotected sex and STD transmission is highest when children are NOT educated about sex and their body parts.


I'm married with 2 kids. If you can't keep your insults to your self, shut your fucking mouth and don't speak at me.
Don't you think it's a little pathetic to use your wife and children as a shield?

Actually, you do.

So you're actually saying that 16 year olds weren't fucking before people started calling body parts by their proper names in public, that somehow the use of words like "vagina" started teenage fuck sessions that were heretofore unknown and unheard of? You're really claiming that?.

That's not what I'm saying at all, and you know it.

I'm saying alot less 16 year old were fucking.

I'm saying the continued casualization of sex is not good as a whole to society.

1/4 people have HPV. Why do you think that is?

I'm not against Sex Ed at all. I just don't think it's appropiate to have 14 year old children reading poetry about their Vaginas in front of the whole school.

In college it would certainly be appropiate, but not in Highschool.


Hey--don't say stupid shit, you won't get called stupid. That's all I'm saying here.


I see.

Don't share my opinons and I won't be insulted, I understand.

Why?

I need to explain to you why 14 year old girls talking about there vaginas in front of a school full of horny young boys and grown ups is inappropiate?

Christ You're the reason we have 16 year old kids fucking in school and 25% of the population has genital warts.

now days sex ed is teached to kids young then 14

That's not what I'm saying at all, and you know it.

I'm saying alot less 16 year old were fucking.

Evidence?


1/4 people have HPV. Why do you think that is?

Lack of education and lack of access to contraception.


I'm not against Sex Ed at all. I just don't think it's appropiate to have 14 year old children reading poetry about their Vaginas in front of the whole school.

In college it would certainly be appropiate, but not in Highschool.

You are, of course, aware that 90% of people have had sex before they go to college, and that a great many kids don't ever go to college, right?

Honestly, this is like saying that we should start driver's ed at age 21, even though kids get licenses at 16.

I see.

Don't share my opinons and I won't be insulted, I understand.
If your opinions happen to be stupid, odds are they will be called stupid. Particularly if you choose to share them on an internet forum. If you can't handle people poking fun at your opinions or criticizing them then you really shouldn't bother coming to places like this one. You'll just end up being very bummed out.

That's not what I'm saying at all, and you know it.

I'm saying alot less 16 year old were fucking.

Prove it!

I'm saying the continued casualization of sex is not good as a whole to society.

1/4 people have HPV. Why do you think that is?

Beause of unprotected sex which is not caused by the Vagina Monologues but by douche bags who do not know how to use condoms.

I'm not against Sex Ed at all. I just don't think it's appropiate to have 14 year old children reading poetry about their Vaginas in front of the whole school.

Then you need to get a life.

In college it would certainly be appropiate, but not in Highschool.

I see you do not know that no matter where it is read, there are protests against it?

I see.

Don't share my opinons and I won't be insulted, I understand.

Problem is you are not backing up your assertions when asked to multiple times.

That's not what I'm saying at all, and you know it.

I'm saying alot less 16 year old were fucking.

I'm saying the continued casualization of sex is not good as a whole to society.

1/4 people have HPV. Why do you think that is?

I'm not against Sex Ed at all. I just don't think it's appropiate to have 14 year old children reading poetry about their Vaginas in front of the whole school.

In college it would certainly be appropiate, but not in Highschool.





I see.

Don't share my opinons and I won't be insulted, I understand.


Heheh insulting, sorry man I think it was you that started that.

You expressly asked me who old I am so that you can what call me a pervert?

Now thats fuckin insulting.

now days sex ed is teached to kids young then 14
I knew what sex was before I started kindergarten. I knew the names for ALL my body parts, including genitals, by that point.

Amazingly, I did not have sex for over a decade after receiving this information. In fact, now that I think about it, the year I first had sex was actually the very first year that my public school health class did NOT include a sex-ed portion.

Yes, you do.

Are you saying that anybody who hears the word "vagina" will be "horny"? Are you suggesting that anybody who hears the word "vagina" will be unable to control their sexual behavior?

Are you saying that 14 year old girls should not talk about their bodies because they will be raped if they do? Do you have any evidence to support this claim? And, even if it is true, why should our answer be to punish the victims? Are you saying that men are justified in raping girls who talk about their body parts?

Are you suggesting that the reactions of the men and boys in the audience are somehow more important than the reactions of the women in the audience? If men and boys are unable to deal with the word "vagina," then shouldn't that simply mean that we forbid men and boys to go out into the world, where they might encounter this word? Why should women and girls (who, apparently, can handle this word) be forced to limit their behavior if men and boys are the ones who are out of control?

Are you suggesting that all men and boys share what I can only assume is your own personal hangup about this word? Do you feel that it may be a little insulting to suggests that men and boys cannot deal with hearing the correct term for a body part possessed by 51% of the humans on this planet?


Actually, all current evidence shows that incidence of unprotected sex and STD transmission is highest when children are NOT educated about sex and their body parts.


Don't you think it's a little pathetic to use your wife and children as a shield?

You're completely out of your mind.

Condoms do not protect against HPV.

At no point did I imply or say that rape victims should be punished, or that there should be no sex education in school, or that a poem about vaginas causes rape.

I merely shared my opinion that it is inappropiate for children to read poetry about there Vagina out loud in a school in front of other children.

If a boy wanted to read about poem about his penis I would say the same exact thing.

I need to explain to you why 14 year old girls talking about there vaginas in front of a school full of horny young boys and grown ups is inappropiate?

So you're evidently unhappy with young people talking about sexual organs (odd, as they are part of the body just as the head and toe)

You then go on to say:

Christ You're the reason we have 16 year old kids fucking in school

This implies that you consider liberal discussion of sexual organs to lead to sexual organs

Heheh insulting, sorry man I think it was you that started that.

You expressly asked me who old I am so that you can what call me a pervert?

Now thats fuckin insulting.


I'm sorry too.

Let's just agree to disagre.

:fluffle:

Yay, new people afraid of the word vagina!

You're completely out of your mind.

Condoms do not protect against HPV.

At no point did I imply or say that rape victims should be punished, or that there should be no sex education in school, or that a poem about vaginas causes rape.

I merely shared my opinion that it is inappropiate for children to read poetry about there Vagina out loud in a school in front of other children.

If a boy wanted to read about poem about his penis I would say the same exact thing.
So you aren't going to answer a single question, huh? Nor are you going to provide any evidence for your assertions?

Meh. We've already got Sovietstan taking on the roll of Irrational Sexphobic on this thread. You can go play ball instead, or something.

Yay, new people afraid of the word vagina!

YAY, another person who can't read.

You're completely out of your mind.

Condoms do not protect against HPV.




Hahahahh condoms do not protect against what now? 27 you said you are and you mmmphh, realy belive that?!

Yay, new people afraid of the word vagina!
No, no, they're not afraid of it. They just don't think Teh Childrenz should be allowed to know it. Because, see, if children know about vaginas, then...um...the sex...and HPV...and horny grownups in the audience will...um...

Okay, so I'm not completely clear on how the word "vagina" will infect kids with HPV or make PTA dads feel compelled to fuck 14 year olds who are reading poetry out loud, but I'm sure the dots are there just waiting to be connected.

I knew what sex was before I started kindergarten. I knew the names for ALL my body parts, including genitals, by that point.

Amazingly, I did not have sex for over a decade after receiving this information. In fact, now that I think about it, the year I first had sex was actually the very first year that my public school health class did NOT include a sex-ed portion.

all the males i went to school with i was the only one who knew more of sex before high school sex ed

Hahahahh condoms do not protect against what now? 27 you said you are and you mmmphh, realy belive that?!

Condoms do not protect against HPV.

http://www.healthandhpv.com/condoms.htm

Now 1/4 people have HPV.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17364887/

Wow, I never would have expected there to be such a vagina because of the Hoohah Monologues.

... I'm sorry...

Just for the 27yo person who says condoms do not prevent the HPV and Cervical Cancer.

Condoms
Although condoms are highly effective for preventing the transmission of other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), recent studies have concluded that condoms only offer partial protection, at best, against the transmission of genital HPVs.[28][29]

This may be due to the fact that HPVs can infect genital skin areas that are not covered by condoms. On the other hand, some studies have suggested that regular condom use can effectively limit the ongoing persistence and spread of HPV to additional genital sites in individuals who are already infected.[30][31]

Thus, condom use may reduce the risk that infected individuals will progress to cervical cancer or develop additional genital warts. A 2006 study of 82 college students suggests that condoms can be up to 70% effective for preventing genital HPV infection if used for every sexual encounter.[29] Both Planned Parenthood and the Centers for Disease Control recommend condom use to reduce the risk of contracting HPV.[citation needed]

They do offer some protection against it R0cka

YAY, another person who can't read.

Well you seem to think that terrible things will happen if young girls say the word vagina in public. Sounds like fear to me.

No, no, they're not afraid of it. They just don't think Teh Childrenz should be allowed to know it. Because, see, if children know about vaginas, then...um...the sex...and HPV...and horny grownups in the audience will...um...

Okay, so I'm not completely clear on how the word "vagina" will infect kids with HPV or make PTA dads feel compelled to fuck 14 year olds who are reading poetry out loud, but I'm sure the dots are there just waiting to be connected.

Do you enjoy making shit up?

I never once said that children shouldn't use the word Vagina.

I said that children, 14 year old children, should not read poems about their Vaginas in school.

The fact that so many people seem to think it's fine that 14 year old girls read poems about there Vagina to an entire assembly is an example of people not understanding where to draw the line in society.

As the line moves, people become more sexually active at a younger age, more disease spreads, we get more teen pregnancy, more abortions, and more emotionally wrecked kids.

Condoms do not protect against HPV.

http://www.healthandhpv.com/condoms.htm

And this has to do with the word vagina because...?

You do, of course, realize that your very own cited sources defend the use of condoms, right?

"...Using condoms may help you lessen the symptoms of HPV..."
"Studies have also shown that in couples where both partners had the same type of high-risk HPV and also used condoms faithfully, the men actually had their HPV go away faster."
"Results did suggest that condom use might afford some protection in reducing the risk of HPV-associated diseases, including warts in men and cervical neoplasia in women."

So using condoms may not protect against transmission, since any skin-skin contact can transmit HPV and a condom doesn't cover everything, but using a condom is still better than not using a condom.



Now 1/4 people have HPV.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17364887/You can't even be bothered to read your own headlines, can you?

It's 1 in 4 WOMEN. As flattered as I am that you would consider "women" to refer to all people, it's not really correct, now is it?

Also, you realize that this very article points out the importance of detection for treating HPV, and that detecting and treating HPV requires that somebody actually (gasp) look at or even touch the vagina, right?

Do you enjoy making shit up?

I never once said that children shouldn't use the word Vagina.

I said that children, 14 year old children, should not read poems about their Vaginas in school.

I'm sorry, you're right. All the anti-sex alarmist panic tends to blend into one monotonous drone for me, so I end up blurring it all together.


The fact that so many people seem to think it's fine that 14 year old girls read poems about there Vagina to an entire assembly is an example of people not understanding where to draw the line in society.

Or just an example of people not drawing the line where you want it drawn.

Some of us know that educating kids is the best way to keep them safe. We know that children who receive comprehensive sex ed are more likely to make good choices, and are better able to handle problems they may encounter. We know they're more likely to be healthy and to assert their needs and wants when it comes to sex and contraception. So even though it may give us the willies when our own little brothers and sisters (or sons and daughters) talk about sex, we know that our personal discomfort is less important than ensuring the health and safety of young people.


As the line moves, people become more sexually active at a younger age, more disease spreads, we get more teen pregnancy, more abortions, and more emotionally wrecked kids.
Still waiting on evidence.

They do offer some protection against it R0cka

A 30% chance of getting genital warts leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.

Condoms do not protect against HPV.

http://www.healthandhpv.com/condoms.htm

Now 1/4 people have HPV.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17364887/

Wooo hoo!

Man we can all find souirces to proove what we want to huh!

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn9383

Wooo hoo!

Man we can all find souirces to proove what we want to huh!

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn9383


So a 30% chance of getting Genital warts is effective to you?

A 30% chance of getting genital warts leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.

Not to burst your bubble, but this has NOTHING to do with why these girls shouldn't have read that poem.

Do you enjoy making shit up?

I never once said that children shouldn't use the word Vagina.

I said that children, 14 year old children, should not read poems about their Vaginas in school.

The fact that so many people seem to think it's fine that 14 year old girls read poems about there Vagina to an entire assembly is an example of people not understanding where to draw the line in society.

As the line moves, people become more sexually active at a younger age, more disease spreads, we get more teen pregnancy, more abortions, and more emotionally wrecked kids.

It was quoted from the book, so not actualy about their vagina's. Did you even read the story?

As to the social line, surley thats a job for sociecty to decide, and clearly here on this forum you are outnumberered, I wonder what that means this society has decided?

A 30% chance of getting genital warts leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Erm, fair enough, but not using a condom with that partner would result in an even higher chance at HPV infection. So which would you prefer?

If you wear your seat belt, there is still a chance you will be injured if--god forbid--you are in a car accident. Does this mean that there's no point in wearing your seat belt?

Remember, HPV can be transmitted through non-sexual contact. So even that nice, pure, sweet virgin you're with could have HPV. And waiting until your wedding night won't magically provide contraception or protection against STDs.

Not knowing about STDs isn't going to protect you against them. Not knowing about body parts and sex doesn't stop people from having sex. From what research has shown us, it doesn't even slightly discourage them. It just means they are more likely to have unsafe sex that increases their chances of getting and transmitting diseases.

So please, pretty please, can you finally tell us: EXACTLY how will talking openly about sex organs harm children?

Do you enjoy making shit up?

I never once said that children shouldn't use the word Vagina.

I said that children, 14 year old children, should not read poems about their Vaginas in school.

Why?

The fact that so many people seem to think it's fine that 14 year old girls read poems about there Vagina to an entire assembly is an example of people not understanding where to draw the line in society.

OH BULLSHIT!!!!!

As the line moves, people become more sexually active at a younger age, more disease spreads, we get more teen pregnancy, more abortions, and more emotionally wrecked kids.

Could it also be attributed to lack of education at HOME and AT SCHOOL? Oh yea.. I guess you forgot about that. You sir, need to actually lok at the evidence and figure out why this is the case.

A 30% chance of getting genital warts leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.

in the grand scheme of things, 30% is less than 50%. You still have a chance to get AIDS and various other STDs even if you do use condoms. Since there's still a chance of that....why use them? Rather to have some protection than no protection at all.

It was quoted from the book, so not actualy about their vagina's. Did you even read the story?

As to the social line, surley thats a job for sociecty to decide, and clearly here on this forum you are outnumberered, I wonder what that means this society has decided?
Well, that's really the whole problem, isn't it? Society has, on the whole, concluded that talking about sex and sex organs is appropriate an acceptable, and that kids need more comprehensive sex ed. This has resulted in improved health care, declining abortion rates, reduced teen pregnancy rates, improvements in dealing with sexual harassment and rape, and the normalization of honest discussions about sex and related issues.

But some people don't like it, so they are frantically searching for some way to justify their personal hangups. It's selfish, it's lame, it's ignorant, and it's embarrassing, but I think it's also kind of understandable. Sex is a rather scary topic for a lot of people, and talking about sex with one's own kids is particularly scary. That's why I think it's good to have outside resources to help educate kids and provide them with the information they need to stay safe. Parents don't have to be completely alone in this, though it is always best for them to be strongly involved.

There is a perfectly valid reason for not talking about sexual organs and giving proper sex education to kids, everyone. I have compiled this theory after seconds of exhaustive research on why it is necessary to keep children in ignorance.

Better sex education = safe sex = less children = less population = smaller military = lose in Iraq = terrorist victory.

So you see, if we give kids sex education, then the terrorists win.

:p

There is a perfectly valid reason for not talking about sexual organs and giving proper sex education to kids, everyone. I have compiled this theory after seconds of exhaustive research on why it is necessary to keep children in ignorance.

Better sex education = safe sex = less children = less population = smaller military = lose in Iraq = terrorist victory.

So you see, if we give kids sex education, then the terrorists win.

:p

Can't fault logic like that.

Well, that's really the whole problem, isn't it? Society has, on the whole, concluded that talking about sex and sex organs is appropriate an acceptable, and that kids need more comprehensive sex ed. This has resulted in improved health care, declining abortion rates, reduced teen pregnancy rates, improvements in dealing with sexual harassment and rape, and the normalization of honest discussions about sex and related issues.

But some people don't like it, so they are frantically searching for some way to justify their personal hangups. It's selfish, it's lame, it's ignorant, and it's embarrassing, but I think it's also kind of understandable. Sex is a rather scary topic for a lot of people, and talking about sex with one's own kids is particularly scary. That's why I think it's good to have outside resources to help educate kids and provide them with the information they need to stay safe. Parents don't have to be completely alone in this, though it is always best for them to be strongly involved.

Why is it scary? I had no trouble talking to my kids about it.

And a bloody Correct word for a body part that 50% of the country has.


and the other 50% of the country wants :p

Why doesn't anyone ever point out the faults of Hinduism? Are we that unimportant? :(

Hindus are all whiny and attention seeking ;)

Hindus are all whiny and attention seeking ;)

Yeah and it it wasn't for us Sikhs, you'd all be Muslims by now!:eek:

Why is it scary? I had no trouble talking to my kids about it.

Neither did I, but there are lots of parents who do, probably because 1) they're not completely sure themselves how everything works, having never been taught themselves and 2) because we're still suffering a collective hangover from Victorianism (yes, even here in the US), a period which had, not surprisingly, one of the highest rates of STDs ever recorded, even though (or more likely because) frank talk about sex was considered impolite and wasn't done in mixed company.

Islam includes love in its tennants just as all the other faiths you mention. The practice, of course, leaves something to be desired, but this is also true for all the faiths you mentioned.

Buddhism is patriarchal, frequently anti-woman and also anti-sex. There's a healthy helping of racism tossed in, to boot.

Judaism and Christianity contain some of the most flagrant woman-hating and racism one could imagine, including God's direct instructions to rape, enslave, and murder other human beings. God specifically protects and honors individuals who rape and murder throughout the holy texts of these faiths.

I find it adorable when people are ignorant enough to pretend that Islam is somehow unique for including racism, sexism, and violence in its history. Seriously, do you people sleep through every single history class?

Why doesn't anyone ever point out the faults of Hinduism? Are we that unimportant? :(

and the other 50% of the country wants :p

Ayup. :D

Hindus are all whiny and attention seeking ;)

:confused: What's your point?

Yeah and it it wasn't for us Sikhs, you'd all be Muslims by now!:eek:

Yay! First Sikh I've met on here.

Neither did I, but there are lots of parents who do, probably because 1) they're not completely sure themselves how everything works, having never been taught themselves and 2) because we're still suffering a collective hangover from Victorianism (yes, even here in the US), a period which had, not surprisingly, one of the highest rates of STDs ever recorded, even though (or more likely because) frank talk about sex was considered impolite and wasn't done in mixed company.And it's for those people that "Where did I come from?" was written ;)

And it's for those people that "Where did I come from?" was written ;)

I had that book when I was a little kid :D

Yeah and it it wasn't for us Sikhs, you'd all be Muslims by now!:eek:*Gives thanks to the Sikh. And then pokes his turban* Do you really never cut your hair. You must have the worst split ends ever.

*Gives thanks to the Sikh. And then pokes his turban* Do you really never cut your hair. You must have the worst split ends ever.

I think the daggers they keep in there make it all worthwhile. Can you imagine being stabbed a stinky dagger? It's gangeriniffic!

*Gives thanks to the Sikh. And then pokes his turban* Do you really never cut your hair. You must have the worst split ends ever.


Ahhh you would think so but no, I have lovly hair, and a lovly beard!

Well, for what it's worth, I'm all for reading the Vagina Monologues on-stage for all to hear.

I still haven't read or seen the Vagina Monologues though. :( That said, I did read **** - now that's a good book.

Do you enjoy making shit up?

I never once said that children shouldn't use the word Vagina.

I said that children, 14 year old children, should not read poems about their Vaginas in school.

Why not? You get a better educated class of people when things are discussed openly at both home and school. The Vagina Monologues has nothing to do with prurient interest in the subject of sex, it has to do with how women are treated, how they feel about their bodies and a variety of other matters topical to women and yes, teenage females.


The fact that so many people seem to think it's fine that 14 year old girls read poems about there Vagina to an entire assembly is an example of people not understanding where to draw the line in society.

So when is the right time? Hmm? Give me a taste of your genius and tell me when it is appropriate for teenagers to be educated and be exposed to art, theater and music? The reason the United States is becoming loaded with functional idiots is the lack of a broad education that INCLUDES Art, Theater and the Humanities. Poetry teaches us about the human condition. We have a bunch of people who go to college and IGNORE everything but their specialties. This is why this nation is full of cultural illiterates.

Shakespeare is full of sex, cross-dressing, drunkards and yet somehow, his works endure and teach people about the human condition.


As the line moves, people become more sexually active at a younger age, more disease spreads, we get more teen pregnancy, more abortions, and more emotionally wrecked kids.

Stop it! Stop it ! Stop it! Kids are aware of sex from an early age. It has ALWAYS been this way. Yet, you preach ignorance. Teach kids about sex from a young age, and demystify it. Correct their malformed impressions about sex. Education has always been the antidote and yet prudish morons like you demand we keep our kids in the dark about the very subjects they NEED to understand so they can defend themselves.

Teenage pregnancy comes from ignorance, rebellion and a lack of education. The abortion rate in the United States has been going down, per capita since the 1970's. Emotionally wrecked kids come from parents who keep their kids in the dark deliberately about subjects they deem unpleasant or inappropriate. Your lecture falls on ears that have heard and eyes that have seen how shittily parents raise kids these days. Using the TV to babysit them, ignoring them or not having time for them, allowing them to act like savages in public and then having the temerity to be shocked when their little angel turns out to be emotionally stunted as a teenager, or always getting in trouble with the law.

Parenting is a JOB. It cannot be accomplished by allowing your kids to grow up ignorant, it cannot be accomplished properly by lazy or indolent people who serve as adults these days.

So, thanks for your opinion...it has been filed under the appropriate category. I don't know why the government and other parents listen to nitwits like you.

Ahhh you would think so but no, I have lovly hair, and a lovly beard!*is jealous*

I, unlike you, don't get mistaken for being a muslim though. I've always found it weird how some people associate turbans with Islam. You hardly ever see a Muslim wearing a turban.
http://www.russiablog.org/KhatamiSmiling.jpg
This dude seems to like his turbans. I'm not sure I've ever seen him without one. And they're always black as well.

So, thanks for your opinion...it has been filed under the appropriate category. I don't know why the government and other parents listen to nitwits like you.

Because listening to this kind of talk means that you won't actually have to do anything, as far as raising your children and preparing them for the real world goes. Just sit them in front of the TV and let them grow up on their own. Hell, you don't even have to cook anymore, just give them a couple bags of cheetos and some 2 Liters of Pepsi, and your job as a parent is done.

*is jealous*

I, unlike you, don't get mistaken for being a muslim though. I've always found it weird how some people associate turbans with Islam. You hardly ever see a Muslim wearing a turban.
http://www.russiablog.org/KhatamiSmiling.jpg
This dude seems to like his turbans. I'm not sure I've ever seen him without one.

That's something that always pisses me off. I've actually been around Sikh friends when some ignorant ass called them ragheads, or towel heads. It's the most infuriating experience ever. Especially since these people are like the nicest (if slightly braindead. I mean c'mon, they're Sikhs :D) people ever.

Note: I've only ever been mistaken for Muslim once, by a drunk hobo who asked me if I was Pakistani. I was slightly annoyed, but later found out he'd served in 'Nam. He was a fairly funny drunk hobo.

That's something that always pisses me off. I've actually been around Sikh friends when some ignorant ass called them ragheads, or towel heads. It's the most infuriating experience ever. Especially since these people are like the nicest (if slightly braindead. I mean c'mon, they're Sikhs :D) people ever.

Note: I've only ever been mistaken for Muslim once, by a drunk hobo who asked me if I was Pakistani. I was slightly annoyed, but later found out he'd served in 'Nam. He was a fairly funny drunk hobo.

Funny drunk hobos are generally the best kind.

*nods sagely*
People have asked if I was polish before... I have no idea why though... the guy was Turkish... meh...

Where is your family from... from before where they are now... and where is your family now seeing as I don't actually know where you live.

I have to go to talk to a guy about an essay. *runs off to campus*

Holy shit. A Turkish classmate asked me if I was French a while back. Those silly Turks...

My rentz are originally from Gujarat. Mom born in Nadiad and raised in Mumbai, dad born in Nadiad and raised largely in Nairobi, Kenya.

And now we're in Jersey. The single most Indian-packed state in the western hemisphere.

That's something that always pisses me off. I've actually been around Sikh friends when some ignorant ass called them ragheads, or towel heads. It's the most infuriating experience ever. Especially since these people are like the nicest (if slightly braindead. I mean c'mon, they're Sikhs :D) people ever.

Note: I've only ever been mistaken for Muslim once, by a drunk hobo who asked me if I was Pakistani. I was slightly annoyed, but later found out he'd served in 'Nam. He was a fairly funny drunk hobo.*nods sagely*
People have asked if I was polish before... I have no idea why though... the guy was Turkish... meh...

Where is your family from... from before where they are now... and where is your family now seeing as I don't actually know where you live.

I have to go to talk to a guy about an essay. *runs off to campus*

Because listening to this kind of talk means that you won't actually have to do anything, as far as raising your children and preparing them for the real world goes. Just sit them in front of the TV and let them grow up on their own. Hell, you don't even have to cook anymore, just give them a couple bags of cheetos and some 2 Liters of Pepsi, and your job as a parent is done.

<whimpers in pain>

You are sadly right.

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

1984 was so prescient.

*is jealous*

I, unlike you, don't get mistaken for being a muslim though. I've always found it weird how some people associate turbans with Islam. You hardly ever see a Muslim wearing a turban.
http://www.russiablog.org/KhatamiSmiling.jpg
This dude seems to like his turbans. I'm not sure I've ever seen him without one. And they're always black as well.



Heh shit man, I'm a white convert to Sikhi, and the last time wore a turban was shortly after 11/11. Then some bloke offered to cut my head of with a chainsaw.

Why?

I need to explain to you why 14 year old girls talking about there vaginas in front of a school full of horny young boys and grown ups is inappropiate?

Christ You're the reason we have 16 year old kids fucking in school and 25% of the population has genital warts..

No. The reason we have 16 year olds fucking in schools is because they have no respect for Vaginas - probably because no one ever read them a poem about how it feels to have one...

You are the reason, however, that 25% of the population has genital warts and 33% of the population believe you can't get pregnant if you have sex standing up... Lack of information is the reason, not too much.

Heh shit man, I'm a white convert to Sikhi, and the last time wore a turban was shortly after 11/11. Then some bloke offered to cut my head of with a chainsaw.

You should have got the shirt that was popular in London after the 7/7 bombings..


Link (http://vazquezlevi.com/Pics/freak_black_out.jpg)

You should have got the shirt that was popular in London after the 7/7 bombings..


Link (http://vazquezlevi.com/Pics/freak_black_out.jpg)

Heh I weas going to as well, I guess I just didn't get a round to it.

It is to laugh. You have presented nothing BUT faith through this entire discussion. I know it is probably embarrassing for you that I so openly point out the way you hide behind your supposed "faith," but honestly...it's not like it's some big secret. Everybody can see it.

No, in reality I didn't mention Islam at all until you brought it up out of the blue. Try again.

<SNIP>....
You can shame them and punish them for having genitals and curiosity, or you can grow up and get over your cootie fears.

Yay! Another person who's afraid of the word Vagina...



;)


:p


:D

The children should have not been able to read a poem about their vaginas in the first place.

I'm amazed so many people are justifying 14 year olds discussing their roast beef in front of other children and grown ups alike.

"Roast beef"?

This type of immaturity is precisely what we need young girls talking about their vaginas to combat.

"Roast beef"?

This type of immaturity is precisely what we need young girls talking about their vaginas to combat.

As long as people are kept ignorant through policies facilitated by those who want to cater to the religious sect of society, there will always be people who believe that saying the proper name of a body part will cause their tongues to fall out and their eyes to grow warts.

Why?

I need to explain to you why 14 year old girls talking about there vaginas in front of a school full of horny young boys and grown ups is inappropiate?

Christ You're the reason we have 16 year old kids fucking in school and 25% of the population has genital warts.

There are more 16 year olds fucking because we don't discuss these things than because we do, my dear.

Besides, talking about a vagina is not the same as fucking, now is it? In fact, most people I've met don't get turned on at all by the technical terms.

I'm married with 2 kids. If you can't keep your insults to your self, shut your fucking mouth and don't speak at me.

Those poor children. I hope you know that, with an attitude like yours, they'll probably be pregnant or have gotten someone pregnant - or worse, have an incurable STD - by the time they turn 18.

I feel that the religious sector of society should never be catered to. Ever.

Honestly, this is like saying that we should start driver's ed at age 21, even though kids get licenses at 16.

And a girl has a vagina from the moment she is born, so it seems that we should start discussing that....well, immediately I think. Sure, she won't be having sex with it for quite some time after birth, but she does need to be aware of it, for any number of reasons.

(Next part probably TMI) I remember having a yeast infection at a pretty early age - 7 or 8, if I remember correctly. Imagine what that might have been like (and how bad it might have gotten), if I had thought that discussing it was somehow taboo.

I'm married with 2 kids. If you can't keep your insults to your self, shut your fucking mouth and don't speak at me.
Judging by this post, you should think before calling the pot, don't you think, kettle?

I think if we're to compare the word in question to your uttered obscenity, there would be a general consensus here that you said the worse word.

I mean, what word would you rather your children be exposed to, "fuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck)ing" or "vagina"? After all, fuck (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fuck)ing is worse than vagina, as fucking is not just an obscenity reserved for those with a limited vocabulary, but it's also the crude way of referring to sexual intercourse. Vagina on the other hand is only the name of a very natural part of the body...

Tsk, such language. I would be more concerned about swearing around children than having them hear the proper anatomical name for body parts.

I feel that the religious sector of society should never be catered to. Ever.

Unfortunately, they make up a large cross section of American voters. They may not all follow the same prescribed line of ignorant thinking, but they all have their own brand of institutionalised nescience that they feel the need to impose on the rest of us.

Unfortunately, they make up a large cross section of American voters. They may not all follow the same prescribed line of ignorant thinking, but they all have their own brand of institutionalised nescience that they feel the need to impose on the rest of us.

Not true.

Not true.

Ok, even if they aren't great in their numbers, you've got to at least admit, they are the loudest bunch.

*points out that we still have yet to hear anything even remotely related to an "alternative" use for the clitoris.*

The children should have not been able to read a poem about their vaginas in the first place.

I'm amazed so many people are justifying 14 year olds discussing their roast beef in front of other children and grown ups alike.

Oh God, save us all from this idiocy. I don't care if I'm a 15 year old atheist, just please SAVE US ALL!

Number one: Those "children" are now "teenagers". Not "children".
Number two: The poem was not about *their* vaginas. It was an excerpt from a book called "The Vagina Monologues", and it was not written by either of them.
Number three: If people started using childish slang for female (and male) parts, then children will ask what they are and possibly grow up not knowing a damn thing about sex. By your logic, nobody should know about sex or their "naughty bits" until they're 18, and by then, it's far too late.
Number four: "roast beef"?!! What... the... hell. I am fifteen years old, and if I had to talk to someone about my vagina, I would not refer to it as a "down there area", "baby tunnel", "pink taco", or, especially, "roast beef". I would call it a vagina because that's what it is, a vagina. I have a vagina. I have a vagina. Not "roast beef". A VAGINA.

Now get that through your idiotic and obscenely thick sexophobic head.

Mmm...

*Starts writing his book, The Tibia Monologues.*


Wait, shouldn't that be The Tibia-Fibula Dialogues?

Not comparable. There are vas deferens between ...

... ah, no, no, I just can't bring myself to say it....

It could've been fun to comply at first, and substitute "vagina" with some other word beginning with "v-" every time it came up: "vaccine", "vacillation", "variability", "vastness", etc. Especially effective might be to drag out the first letter or syllable: "va-a-a-a-a ... ccine!" ... and watch the teachers break out into a rash. That way they'd get to watch teachers pass through the cycles of anxiety and relief over and over again. By the time they were finished any teachers who were still conscious would be sucking air desperately trying to re-oxygenate themselves. And at the next staff meeting they'd vote unanimously to re-instate "vagina", just to avoid the tension and uncertainty.

Or substitute the word "vagina" for another word starting with "v" and then substitute all other words starting with "v" with vagina.

Doesn't have quite the same zing. How about a male version: the vas deferens monologues?


Not comparable. There are vas deferens between ...

... ah, no, no, I just can't bring myself to say it....

It could've been fun to comply at first, and substitute "vagina" with some other word beginning with "v-" every time it came up: "vaccine", "vacillation", "variability", "vastness", etc. Especially effective might be to drag out the first letter or syllable: "va-a-a-a-a ... ccine!" ... and watch the teachers break out into a rash. That way they'd get to watch teachers pass through the cycles of anxiety and relief over and over again. By the time they were finished any teachers who were still conscious would be sucking air desperately trying to re-oxygenate themselves. And at the next staff meeting they'd vote unanimously to re-instate "vagina", just to avoid the tension and uncertainty.

Not comparable. There are vas deferens between ...

... ah, no, no, I just can't bring myself to say it....

It could've been fun to comply at first, and substitute "vagina" with some other word beginning with "v-" every time it came up: "vaccine", "vacillation", "variability", "vastness", etc. Especially effective might be to drag out the first letter or syllable: "va-a-a-a-a ... ccine!" ... and watch the teachers break out into a rash. That way they'd get to watch teachers pass through the cycles of anxiety and relief over and over again. By the time they were finished any teachers who were still conscious would be sucking air desperately trying to re-oxygenate themselves. And at the next staff meeting they'd vote unanimously to re-instate "vagina", just to avoid the tension and uncertainty.

At my school we have a "cafetorium" (cafeteria/auditorium). In the mornings I could go up on stage, get the mic, and yell "VAGINA!".

If I could muster the lunacy/bravery to do so. :p

No, according to Soviestan, you're a dumb-tushie.

:D

Wait, do you mean "derriere"? "Buttocks"? "Pair of gluteus maximus surrounding an anus"? Or for our British friends, "bum"? "Haunches"?

Or did The Nazz mean he's a dumb(er-than-usual) donkey?

This is getting confusing. Teacher, could I please use the proper words?

Wait, do you mean "derriere"? "Buttocks"? "Pair of gluteus maximus surrounding an anus"? Or for our British friends, "bum"? "Haunches"?

Or did The Nazz mean he's a dumb(er-than-usual) donkey?

This is getting confusing. Teacher, could I please use the proper words?

I've decided. I find the word "the" to be offensive to my sensibilities. I will now procede to use the word piffle for the next week in place of the word "the" on this forum, and invite you all to do piffle same.

Oh God, save us all from this idiocy. I don't care if I'm a 15 year old atheist, just please SAVE US ALL!

Number one: Those "children" are now "teenagers". Not "children".
Number two: The poem was not about *their* vaginas. It was an excerpt from a book called "The Vagina Monologues", and it was not written by either of them.
Number three: If people started using childish slang for female (and male) parts, then children will ask what they are and possibly grow up not knowing a damn thing about sex. By your logic, nobody should know about sex or their "naughty bits" until they're 18, and by then, it's far too late.
Number four: "roast beef"?!! What... the... hell. I am fifteen years old, and if I had to talk to someone about my vagina, I would not refer to it as a "down there area", "baby tunnel", "pink taco", or, especially, "roast beef". I would call it a vagina because that's what it is, a vagina. I have a vagina. I have a vagina. Not "roast beef". A VAGINA.

Now get that through your idiotic and obscenely thick sexophobic head.

I'm sure loving you puts me in Jail in at least 48 States.. But I *do* love your postings Pancake :D

... Children by nature are innocent and have no concept of sex or the results of it such as child birth. It is irresponsible to talk about things like sexual organs, sex, or the in workings of pregenacy with a child. They have no concept of these things and exposing them to it can be dangerous. To me is the same as child molestation.

"Innocent": and how is "vagina" more guilty than the words they'll hear in the playground?

"...irresponsible to talk about things like...": Why? Is it more irresponsible than letting the children grow up believing the misleading or dangerous nonsense they'll hear from their equally ignorant friends? More irresponsible than being so ignorant that they cause a pregnancy or become pregnant as a young teen, just because they believed that what they were doing in the basement had nothing to do with what they thought was sex?

Knowing enough to tell one of my friends that the "stuff" (I kid you not) he produced really shouldn't go anywhere near his girl friend's vagina --- even if they were standing up --- may have saved him from being a daddy at 14. And I can imagine a girl could benefit from knowing that if a guy tells her he just wants to "rub" her a bit with his penis and nothing will go wrong, he's talking out of his gonads.

I'm sure loving you puts me in Jail in at least 48 States.. But I *do* love your postings Pancake :D

:D :fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

Hmmm...

*begins writing "The Fluffle Monologues"* :D :fluffle:

:D :fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

Hmmm...

*begins writing "The Fluffle Monologues"* :D :fluffle:

having fun

having fun

:fluffle:

having fun

*chomps some popcorn* I know I am.

Also, where are those cat captions?

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:fluffle: :fluffle: next year looking at your posts i be safe from getting locked up :D

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I want to randomly grope you too :fluffle:
You're post was, as they say, Bri-yant

now youre just being silly.

how would the clitoris reduce the pain of child birth?

If the woman masturbates between contractions? :D

At my school we have a "cafetorium" (cafeteria/auditorium). In the mornings I could go up on stage, get the mic, and yell "VAGINA!".

If I could muster the lunacy/bravery to do so. :p

Get a couple of friends to go up there with you. :p

Ok, even if they aren't great in their numbers, you've got to at least admit, they are the loudest bunch.

Indeed. Rude people usually are. =(

Indeed. Rude people usually are. =(

What better way to be heard than to be rude and loud. ;)

:D :fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

Hmmm...

*begins writing "The Fluffle Monologues"* :D :fluffle:


:cool: Somehow, I feel proud, and I really didn't do anything...

Wow, I never would have expected there to be such a vagina because of the Hoohah Monologues.

... I'm sorry...

Priceless!

... I have a vagina. Not "roast beef". A VAGINA.
....

Awww, but some of us like roast beef.

NOT yours, I hasten to add.

And your insistence, for everyone to stop pussy-footing ( :p ) around and start calling a vagina a vagina, really should settle the issue for everyone. This whole kind of euphemistic stupidity should have ended years --- decades --- ago.

Awww, but some of us like roast beef.

NOT yours, I hasten to add.

And your insistence, for everyone to stop pussy-footing ( :p ) around and start calling a vagina a vagina, really should settle the issue for everyone. This whole kind of euphemistic stupidity should have ended years --- decades --- ago.

Exactly. Which is why I've decided until people see piffle light of day, I'm going to continue replacing piffle word "the" with piffle.

Because replacing a word with another word does not change anything about what piffles word represents.

Oh God, save us all from this idiocy. I don't care if I'm a 15 year old atheist, just please SAVE US ALL!

Number one: Those "children" are now "teenagers". Not "children".
Number two: The poem was not about *their* vaginas. It was an excerpt from a book called "The Vagina Monologues", and it was not written by either of them.
Number three: If people started using childish slang for female (and male) parts, then children will ask what they are and possibly grow up not knowing a damn thing about sex. By your logic, nobody should know about sex or their "naughty bits" until they're 18, and by then, it's far too late.
Number four: "roast beef"?!! What... the... hell. I am fifteen years old, and if I had to talk to someone about my vagina, I would not refer to it as a "down there area", "baby tunnel", "pink taco", or, especially, "roast beef". I would call it a vagina because that's what it is, a vagina. I have a vagina. I have a vagina. Not "roast beef". A VAGINA.

Now get that through your idiotic and obscenely thick sexophobic head.

I think one question is burning in all our minds.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/ee/Wheres_the_beef_commercial.jpg

Awww, but some of us like roast beef.

NOT yours, I hasten to add.

And your insistence, for everyone to stop pussy-footing ( :p ) around and start calling a vagina a vagina, really should settle the issue for everyone. This whole kind of euphemistic stupidity should have never existed

Corrected. :cool:

I think one question is burning in all our minds.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/ee/Wheres_the_beef_commercial.jpg

:p

Yet you didn't say anything about my writing "vagina" in big red letters. :p

:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

I want to randomly grope you too :fluffle: :eek: :eek: But I'm 15!!!!! :eek:
You're post was, as they say, Bri-yant

:) :fluffle::fluffle:

Wow, even As It Happens is making jokes about "pussyfooting".

And a girl has a vagina from the moment she is born, so it seems that we should start discussing that....well, immediately I think. Sure, she won't be having sex with it for quite some time after birth, but she does need to be aware of it, for any number of reasons.

Indeed, for the overwhelming majority of her time on this planet, that girls vagina will NOT be being used for sex. It will be functionally important to her for many reasons OTHER than sex.

So it's actually pretty fucking sick to teach a little kid that her vagina is only about sex, just like it's pretty sick to teach little boys that their penises are only about sex, since that's both a blatant lie and also a very twisted attempt to sexualize little children.


(Next part probably TMI) I remember having a yeast infection at a pretty early age - 7 or 8, if I remember correctly. Imagine what that might have been like (and how bad it might have gotten), if I had thought that discussing it was somehow taboo.
I always tell this story, but it's just so relevant here. My grandmother believed she was dying when she got her first period, because nobody had ever told her what it was or that it might happen.

Women in my family tend to get our periods early (my own mom was 9), so imagine being 9 or 10 or 11 years old and honestly believing you were about to die because blood was coming out of an area that you were NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT. Imagine living with that terror for DAYS before you finally couldn't take it and you sobbingly confessed to your mother, completely convinced that you would be PUNISHED for mentioning it.

Seriously, imagine the kind of twisted assholes who would subject little children to that kind of torment, all because they can't handle the word "vagina."

Why is it scary? I had no trouble talking to my kids about it.
I'm pretty comfortable talking about sex, too, though I remember being a bit off-put the first time my little brother asked me about sex. (He wanted to know what "blow job" meant, and was too embarrassed to ask Mom or Dad.) It was a little startling to me to have my baby brother asking about really sexual stuff, not just body parts and where babies come from, and it made me remember that he is a full person...not just my baby brother!

It was safer and simpler when he was just the baby. Protecting him and helping him was simple, but when he's a full person things get more complicated. He has to learn to make his own choices. Protecting him can't just mean making good choices for him and fighting off dangers, it means having to give him good information and then trusting him to take care of himself to a certain extent. That's scary, because I love him and I never want him hurt, even if it's because of his own mistake.

And it's for those people that "Where did I come from?" was written ;)
LOVE that book. "Penis. You say it like 'peanuts', without the T." "Vagina. It rhymes with 'Carolina.'"

The best was the part where it explains orgasm.

"It's kind of like a sneeze, only much, much better."

"So if sex feels so good, why don't people do it all the time?"
"Sex is kind of like jumping rope. It's really fun, but it's also very tiring. You'd get very tired if you did it all day long."

:p

Yet you didn't say anything about my writing "vagina" in big red letters. :p

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I took biology, I like to think I know where your vagina is.

I am confused.:( I've always thought that sex was something horrible, and bodies are disgusting, especially private parts, and especially mine. But I can handle hearing people use those words a lot more easily than I can tolerate hearing euphemisms, because the above are more impersonal and technical so I can just think of it as learning something rather than thinking about something bad, but other words are much more icky. I'm scared, though. You can probably just not pay any attention to me, though. I'm just on one of the bad times of the way I think about this. Sometimes I can actually think of myself as something other than completely unattractive, but then sometimes when I think that, I feel that that means that other people might be able to tell, and then that means that I must have failed somehow in my modesty. Sorry to rant like this, though.:(

If anyone cares, I feel slightly better about this after discussing it with my therapist yesterday. I still think they're disgusting, though, and I still feel bad about it. Probably not as bad, though.

[QUOTE=Bottle;12412391]Indeed, for the overwhelming majority of her time on this planet, that girls vagina will NOT be being used for sex. It will be functionally important to her for many reasons OTHER than sex.

So it's actually pretty fucking sick to teach a little kid that her vagina is only about sex, just like it's pretty sick to teach little boys that their penises are only about sex, since that's both a blatant lie and also a very twisted attempt to sexualize little children.QUOTE]

Like what? I thought the vagina was a sex organ. I don't imagine its much use for storing things in.

But then again some feminists would argue that the vagina is also for squating over a mirror and reading poetry to.

Like what? I thought the vagina was a sex organ. I don't imagine its much use for storing things in.

But then again some feminists would argue that the vagina is also for squating over a mirror and reading poetry to.
It's a biological organ used to output bodily fluids in a safe and healthy manner.

It's a biological organ used to output bodily fluids in a safe and healthy manner.

All of the bodily fluids that come from this organ have a direct biological relation to sex and reproduction. Menstral fluid is the body replacing the womb lining in readiness for reproduction. If it produced a hot steaming cup of coffee every morning it might be said to have other uses but it doesn't.

If anyone cares, I feel slightly better about this after discussing it with my therapist yesterday. I still think they're disgusting, though, and I still feel bad about it. Probably not as bad, though.

You'll get used to it. You're kind of stuck to one after all :p

You'll get used to it. You're kind of stuck to one after all :p

Yeah, but it's still really gross. That's kind of the problem, or at least a major part of it.

Yeah, but it's still really gross. That's kind of the problem, or at least a major part of it.

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Thanks.:)

Thanks.:)

When in doubt:fluffle.
When not in doubt:fluffle

"Vagina. It rhymes with 'Carolina.'"



:eek:

As a (reluctant) resident of North Carolina, I believe I am fully allowed to say,

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

When in doubt:fluffle.
When not in doubt:fluffle

Best advice evar. :fluffle::fluffle:

:eek:

As a (reluctant) resident of North Carolina, I believe I am fully allowed to say,

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

The lyrics to this spring to mind

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bloodhoundgang/threepointonefour.html

All of the bodily fluids that come from this organ have a direct biological relation to sex and reproduction. Menstral fluid is the body replacing the womb lining in readiness for reproduction. If it produced a hot steaming cup of coffee every morning it might be said to have other uses but it doesn't.

Related to is not the same as used for. Just because a woman menstruates for one week out of every month does not mean that she has sex for one week out of every month from puberty onwards.

See the difference?

The lyrics to this spring to mind

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bloodhoundgang/threepointonefour.html

:eek: They actually said ... "North Carolina". :eek:

Related to is not the same as used for. Just because a woman menstruates for one week out of every month does not mean that she has sex for one week out of every month from puberty onwards.

See the difference?


I still seem to be missing the other uses for the vagina other than reproduction. Therefore making it only a sex organ. Much like the penis.

yup

I feel... I don't know how I feel about that. :eek:

When in doubt:fluffle.
When not in doubt:fluffle

I don't fluffle, but thanks for the support.:)

I still seem to be missing the other uses for the vagina other than reproduction. Therefore making it only a sex organ. Much like the penis.

Doesn't urine also come out of the penis? Since when was urination directly related to sex?

And the vagina isn't "only" a sex organ, it carries menstrual fluid out, and while mentruation is related to reproduction, it's not really related to sex. Unless you're one of the fundie types who believes that sex=reproduction only.

:eek: They actually said ... "North Carolina". :eek:

yup

I still seem to be missing the other uses for the vagina other than reproduction. Therefore making it only a sex organ. Much like the penis.
Noob, the penis isn't exclusively a sex organ.
I don't fluffle, but thanks for the support.:)

Anytime. :)

Noob, the penis isn't exclusively a sex organ.


Anytime. :)

It's use as an excretion tool is incidental. Urine comes out of the penis, but it's main function is to provide a delivery system for sperm. What other uses does the penis have?

I feel... I don't know how I feel about that. :eek:

shocked

Doesn't urine also come out of the penis? Since when was urination directly related to sex?

err you don't want to know , have a :fluffle: to get over the shock

It's use as an excretion tool is incidental. Urine comes out of the penis, but it's main function is to provide a delivery system for sperm. What other uses does the penis have?

I'm not a guy, but I don't think that the penis's use as an excretion tool is "incidental", considering that guys have been peeing out of their penises for at least a million years or so.

err you don't want to know , have a :fluffle: to get over the shock

I meant *directly* as in *normally* :eek:

I meant *directly* as in *normally* :eek:

for some it is

I'm not a guy, but I don't think that the penis's use as an excretion tool is "incidental", considering that guys have been peeing out of their penises for at least a million years or so.

The renal excretion system has been around for millions of years. The penis is a sperm delivery system that has evolved throughout many mamilian species. Evolution and occum's razor show that giving the penis a bit of extra duty (in being the pee-hole) is easier than having onother hole. Any other functions of the penis - like it being visible in tight jeans - are linked to sex as well.

Anytime. :)

Thanks.


And the sort of things saying that vaginas are only for sex are part of what I think makes me hate mine, because it means that I have a useless organ that is absolutely disgusting. If it was useless but not necessarily related to sex, I would probably be more ok with it than despise it, as I do now.

You just proved that the penis has a use other than sex, no matter how "incidental" or how "sensible" that use is.

And you still haven't responded to the earlier statement by Darknovae that menstruation is linked to reproduction, not sex.

To me he's coming off as some idiot fundie who thinks sex=reproduction only (which I should have said in my other post :().

Well, off to do some editing....

The renal excretion system has been around for millions of years. The penis is a sperm delivery system that has evolved throughout many mamilian species. Evolution and occum's razor show that giving the penis a bit of extra duty (in being the pee-hole) is easier than having onother hole. Any other functions of the penis - like it being visible in tight jeans - are linked to sex as well.

You just proved that the penis has a use other than sex, no matter how "incidental" or how "sensible" that use is.

And you still haven't responded to the earlier statement by Darknovae that menstruation is linked to reproduction, not sex.

Thanks.


And the sort of things saying that vaginas are only for sex are part of what I think makes me hate mine, because it means that I have a useless organ that is absolutely disgusting. If it was useless but not necessarily related to sex, I would probably be more ok with it than despise it, as I do now.

You clearly need to go out and have more sex.

You just proved that the penis has a use other than sex, no matter how "incidental" or how "sensible" that use is.

And you still haven't responded to the earlier statement by Darknovae that menstruation is linked to reproduction, not sex.


Sex is not different from reproduction unless you are an asexual organism - such as virus, bacteria or ameoba.

The penis it still only a sex organ. If it wasn't we would piss out of a little sprinkler hidden behind two flaps like ladies.

You clearly need to go out and have more sex.

I'm asexual, you know. And I never want to have sex.

I'm asexual, you know. And I never want to have sex.

So basically you are on the list for a Darwin Award.

To me he's coming off as some idiot fundie who thinks sex=reproduction only (which I should have said in my other post :().

Well, off to do some editing....

I'd still rather him come out and say it. No offense to you, but putting words in other people's mouths seems to happen too often in debates on this forum (on both sides of an issue). And it really derails things because then rather than replying to any valid points, people start slinging "Oh no you didn'ts!" back and forth.

I'm asexual, you know. And I never want to have sex.

Your loss. Nothing wrong with sex or sexual organs, though.

Sex is not different from reproduction unless you are an asexual organism - such as virus, bacteria or ameoba.

The penis it still only a sex organ. If it wasn't we would piss out of a little sprinkler hidden behind two flaps like ladies.

:rolleyes:

Okay, I am fifteen years old, and I live in the conservative state of North Carolina where the health textbooks don't teach you jack about sex, yet I still know more about the "sex organs" than you do.

Reproduction =/= sex, and sex =/= reproduction.

And the penis has a use *other* than sex, and the vagina has a use for *reproduction*, which may or may not include sex, since it is involved in menstruation, and menstruation is directly linked to reproduction, and reproduction is not necessarily sex.

Your loss. Nothing wrong with sex or sexual organs, though.

I don't really consider it a loss, since I have no desires for sex. I know that there shouldn't be anything wrong with sexual organs, but it just seems like there is, since they're so icky. I also have trouble thinking of sex as anything other than horrible.

:rolleyes:

Okay, I am fifteen years old, and I live in the conservative state of North Carolina where the health textbooks don't teach you jack about sex, yet I still know more about the "sex organs" than you do.

Reproduction =/= sex, and sex =/= reproduction.

And the penis has a use *other* than sex, and the vagina has a use for *reproduction*, which may or may not include sex, since it is involved in menstruation, and menstruation is directly linked to reproduction, and reproduction is not necessarily sex.


They certainly don't teach you kack about sex. You just provided a perfect circular of arguement. How can reproduction not nexcessarily involve sex? Apart from in vitro fertilization the two are connected. People in North Carolina do have nipples and are therefore mammals aren't they?

:rolleyes:

Okay, I am fifteen years old, and I live in the conservative state of North Carolina where the health textbooks don't teach you jack about sex, yet I still know more about the "sex organs" than you do.

Reproduction =/= sex, and sex =/= reproduction.

And the penis has a use *other* than sex, and the vagina has a use for *reproduction*, which may or may not include sex, since it is involved in menstruation, and menstruation is directly linked to reproduction, and reproduction is not necessarily sex.


They certainly don't teach you kack about sex. You just provided a perfect circular of arguement. How can reproduction not nexcessarily involve sex? Apart from in vitro fertilization the two are connected. People in North Carolina do have nipples and are therefore mammals aren't they?

Menstruation isn't necessarily sexual, though, even if it is related to reproduction. I still menstruate even though I'm never going to have sex. It's rather useless but it still happens. I hope it isn't sexual, at least, because if it is I'll have even more to hate about my body.

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Menstruation isn't necessarily sexual, though, even if it is related to reproduction. I still menstruate even though I'm never going to have sex. It's rather useless but it still happens. I hope it isn't sexual, at least, because if it is I'll have even more to hate about my body.

Menstruation isn't meant to be sexual (although there are fetish sites that cater for those so inclined). But it is a natural process of evolution. Perhaps asexuality is nature's way to eliminate those not worthy of reproduction.

Perhaps asexuality is nature's way to eliminate those not worthy of reproduction.

I somehow doubt it, both because "nature" isn't an entity capable of deciding reproductive "worth," and because Chandelier seems a great deal more "worthy of reproduction" than many parents I have met.

I don't really consider it a loss, since I have no desires for sex. I know that there shouldn't be anything wrong with sexual organs, but it just seems like there is, since they're so icky. I also have trouble thinking of sex as anything other than horrible.

That works. I had assumed your aversion to sex stemmed from your dislike of ...well your emotional problems regarding organs, rather than merely a lack of desire to go ahead and get down.

Menstruation isn't meant to be sexual (although there are fetish sites that cater for those so inclined). But it is a natural process of evolution. Perhaps asexuality is nature's way to eliminate those not worthy of reproduction.

This shows that you clearly don't understand anything about evolution. Evolutionary mechanisms, despite what ID would like people to believe, is not a guided process. It's a natural tendency for organisms with features better adapted to an environment to reproduce more than organisms of the same species with inferior adapation.

Also, menstruation is not a natural process of "evolution." While evolution may have given women menstruation, it's a cleansing process, nothing more and nothing less. It has nothing to do with our ability to evolve.

This shows that you clearly don't understand anything about evolution. Evolutionary mechanisms, despite what ID would like people to believe, is not a guided process. It's a natural tendency for organisms with features better adapted to an environment to reproduce more than organisms of the same species with inferior adapation.

Also, menstruation is not a natural process of "evolution." While evolution may have given women menstruation, it's a cleansing process, nothing more and nothing less. It has nothing to do with our ability to evolve.

Evolution and reproduction. ou seem to have proved my point. Menstruation has nothing to do with our ability to evolve- it is a RESULT of evolution. It is a natural process of evolution - otherwise the higher mammals that did not menstruate woud still be aroud.

Evolution and reproduction. ou seem to have proved my point. Menstruation has nothing to do with our ability to evolve- it is a RESULT of evolution. It is a natural process of evolution - otherwise the higher mammals that did not menstruate woud still be aroud.

First you need to learn how to properly quote. This is becoming an eyesore. Regardless:

Your point has nothing to do with the central topic. Whether we gained menstruation from evolution or not, it's still a cleansing process, not a reproductive or sexual process.

First you need to learn how to properly quote. This is becoming an eyesore. Regardless:

Your point has nothing to do with the central topic. Whether we gained menstruation from evolution or not, it's still a cleansing process, not a reproductive or sexual process.

Cleansing for what reason? - The womb for reproduction. What other function does the womb provide?

The womb for reproduction.

Did you hear there's violence in the middle east?

Cleansing for what reason? - The womb for reproduction. What other function does the womb provide?

Reproduction. Which incidentally != sex.

That works. I had assumed your aversion to sex stemmed from your dislike of ...well your emotional problems regarding organs, rather than merely a lack of desire to go ahead and get down.

All right then. Yes, I have an aversion to it as well as no desire for it, as do the close to 1/4 of asexuals surveyed on this poll. (http://asexuality.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=2535)

I somehow doubt it, both because "nature" isn't an entity capable of deciding reproductive "worth," and because Chandelier seems a great deal more "worthy of reproduction" than many parents I have met.

Thank you.


Perhaps asexuality is nature's way to eliminate those not worthy of reproduction.

Asexuality doesn't even stop people from reproducing if they choose to. The asexuals who are just indifferent to sex rather than repulsed by it can (and some do) have sex for reproductive purposes, but they just don't have any sexual attraction to anyone. I don't know why you seem to think that of me, but other people seem to think that I would make a good parent, but I just don't want to have sex, and I'm too young now for it to matter, anyway.

It's use as an excretion tool is incidental. Urine comes out of the penis, but it's main function is to provide a delivery system for sperm. What other uses does the penis have?
Incidental uses are still uses. The clue is in the name.
Sex is not different from reproduction unless you are an asexual organism - such as virus, bacteria or ameoba.
Sex is quite clearly different from reprodcution. Are you honestly so nieve that you tihnk everytime people have sex they're trying to have a baby? You have heard of contraception, yes?

The penis it still only a sex organ. If it wasn't we would piss out of a little sprinkler hidden behind two flaps like ladies.

So what you're saying it if the penis wasn't a sex organ and nothing else, we wouldn't use it for excretion? Are you actually reading what you're posting?

Ahh, the outpatients are out in force I see.

At this rate, banned words will eliminate most of human language.

Since you can take any ordinary word (let's use the example, "gay") and give it another meaning without consulting with the government, eventually, any and every word can end up banned - for any reason the government sees fit.

I've got an idea - tell kids at school to have a speaking boycott, because they don't want to accidentally say anything that anyone under any circumstances might find offensive.

Sort of like "The Knights Who No Longer Say NI!"

They'd be replaced by other words. So english will evolve into a new language of giberish. :eek:

Ahh, the outpatients are out in force I see.

:confused: :confused:

I'm not a guy, but I don't think that the penis's use as an excretion tool is "incidental", considering that guys have been peeing out of their penises for at least a million years or so.

At least 300 million years, actually.

It's use as an excretion tool is incidental. Urine comes out of the penis, but it's main function is to provide a delivery system for sperm. What other uses does the penis have?

Wow, you're a very lucky guy!

Imagine a man that has sex more often than he pees!

:confused: :confused:
Outpatients=>people recently released fomr some manner of mental institution and who are still recieving treatment.
Wow, you're a very lucky guy!

Imagine a man that has sex more often than he pees!

I'm so jealous.

Outpatients=>people recently released fomr some manner of mental institution and who are still recieving treatment.


I'm so jealous.

Really? I'd get tired.

And surely there'd be a bit of wear and tear at some point?

I'm so jealous.

So am I! I mean, so far, I've peed about 37720 times (calculated an average of 4 times a day for the 9430 days of my existence). And I'm a virgin. :p

At least 300 million years, actually.

And the primary function of the penis is arguably excretion and not reproduction.

Penis & vagina = sex. I don't have sex more that I pee but my sex organ is used to excrete wast products. Evolution is the master of simplicity. Would you rather I had another hole to piss out of to prove my point (pun intended).

Yes, because, then, you would be a woman, and you'd understand that "vagina" is not a word that creates perverts when uttered.

Wow, you're a very lucky guy!

Imagine a man that has sex more often than he pees!

Penis & vagina = sex. I don't have sex more that I pee but my sex organ is used to excrete wast products. Evolution is the master of simplicity. Would you rather I had another hole to piss out of to prove my point (pun intended).

So am I! I mean, so far, I've peed about 37720 times (calculated an average of 4 times a day for the 9430 days of my existence). And I'm a virgin. :p
I'm 27847 and 0 myself.
Penis & vagina = sex.
Sounds like Clinton.......
I don't have sex more that I pee but my sex organ is used to excrete wast products. Evolution is the master of simplicity. Would you rather I had another hole to piss out of to prove my point (pun intended).

Sorry, an organ with more than one use can't be a single use organ. It's logically impossible.

"vagina"

No, the evil word!

Must... resist... perversion increasing... heart rate skyrocketing... must... not... become... pervert... *collapses after hitting head*

:D

No, the evil word!

Must... resist... perversion increasing... heart rate skyrocketing... must... not... become... pervert... *collapses after hitting head*

:D

And if you don't give me a million dollars, I'll say it again on national TV!!! MWHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!