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Having been co opted to organise an NS meetup for xmas 2006 I have decided that I should make a thread and organise it. Ladies and gentlemen, please do not let the prospect that xmas 2006 has already passed put you off. I propose that the meet be arranged in proximity to easter, when the students of NS will be on their holidays, and their might be a bankholiday around to make reduce time pressures.

Ok, people have had long enough to vote where they want to go. The most most popular are London and Glasgow. However, there is virtually no overlap. People have either voted for one or the other. So, we could have a two meets at the same time. One in Glasgow for those in the North and one in London for those in the South.

Anyone from the following list willing to organise a meet in Glasgow?

Chronosia, Chumblywumbly, IL Ruffino, Infinite Revolution, The Phoenix Milita, Unified Sith, Yootopia

Now that the location poll is up all we need to do now is focus on dates. I was thinking of a weekend (friday inclusive) evening in March or
April. Saturday would probably best as it would he could just pretend we're 5 hours ahead and so those he don't want to say the night can head off early, but still be thoroughly inebriated.

DATES! I'm going to arbitarily suggest the 14th of April because a friday 13th will have just gone and we might all want a drink to wash the bad luck away.

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"Public poll of course, we don't want the rest of NS messing us around and getting us to arrange to meetup in John O Groats, or worse yet - Aberystwyth."

Hey! I live in Aberystwyth! :p

london is good for myself and glitzi
bristol is good
birmingham is just about do-able


isn't there anywhere with good travel links somewhere between birmingham and london? that'd be perfect... like oxford or something?


leeds or manchester would be no-goes for me, being a southern boy and all (its scary up north ;))

If I can make it London is best for me. Aberystwyth or John O'Groats would be fun but unlikely...Brum and Leeds I could go for but Mancland...not a chance....what with growing up as a teen in Leeds ;)

It would have to be a weekend though.

I'd vote for Leeds. Mainly cos I live there :p but also cos the last one was in London, I guess. Ignoring time, its quite cheap to get from London to Leeds on the bus/train if you book early enough. Definitely not the land of Mancs! I may be a Geordie but I've picked up a few Yorkshire traits, shall we say...

it's weird. Why is this a UK meetup, but yet it's all about England?

I nominate glasgow, because I'm here and it's easy to get to.

London. Basically because its the only place I can get to without booking a hotel.

it's weird. Why is this a UK meetup, but yet it's all about England?

I nominate glasgow, because I'm here and it's easy to get to.

Glasgow...dude...that is one bizarre motorway system towards to the airport!

I'm afraid its too far for me...

Hey, Ireland's in the UK..

well there are Irish NSGers....

heh...I have a wireless 3g card and a laptop (I can get a web cam)...the Irish can meet in a place with Wifi and a laptop with a web cam...meet at the same time and we can do a pub link up....

Hey, Ireland's in the UK..

Huh?

When did that happen???

London is best for me, although Bristol and Birmingham are both do-able. Anywhere else involves hotels.

Aw man - I really wish I could show up for a meet.

Huh?

When did that happen???
Yesterday overnight, don't tell me you have missed the arrival of Australia too?

"Public poll of course, we don't want the rest of NS messing us around and getting us to arrange to meetup in John O Groats, or worse yet - Aberystwyth."

Hey! I live in Aberystwyth! :pAll I can say is that I'm sorry.
Take that how you will.

The 4th NS UK meetup... (oh dear lord, when will they stop)

Having been co opted to organise an NS meetup for xmas 2006 I have decided that I should make a thread and organise it.

You sound like you need to learn how to say no. It's not that hard, just one syllable, two letters. N. O.

it's weird. Why is this a UK meetup, but yet it's all about England?

I nominate glasgow, because I'm here and it's easy to get to.All the cities I mentioned are fairly substantial transportation hubs that are central to the majority of the UK (you'll note that the so far Leeds and Birmingham seem to be the most popular - due in part to their centrality).

well there are Irish NSGers....

heh...I have a wireless 3g card and a laptop (I can get a web cam)...the Irish can meet in a place with Wifi and a laptop with a web cam...meet at the same time and we can do a pub link up....That would be so great. We could have the first international NS meetup. :D

Hey, Ireland's in the UK..

Congratulations! You are 3/16ths correct.

You sound like you need to learn how to say no. It's not that hard, just one syllable, two letters. N. O.http://joinme.wikia.com/images/thumb/6/60/YesMan.jpg/180px-YesMan.jpg
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yes-Man-Danny-Wallace/dp/0091896738

I might bitch, I might complain, I might whine, but I don't truely mean it.

Having been co opted to organise an NS meetup for xmas 2006 I have decided that I should make a thread and organise it. Ladies and gentlemen, please do not let the prospect that xmas 2006 has already passed put you off. I propose that the meet be arranged in proximity to easter, when the students of NS will be on their holidays, and their might be a bankholiday around to make reduce time pressures.

Here is my preliminary list of possible places for a meetup, but please suggest your own and will shall have a shiny poll. Public poll of course, we don't want the rest of NS messing us around and getting us to arrange to meetup in John O Groats, or worse yet - Aberystwyth.
London
Birmingham
Manchester
Leeds
Bristol

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Christ, we need a US meetup.

hell, I'll throw up in any UK city.

(Um, puppet of Gruenberg speaking.)

hell, I'll throw up in any UK city.

(Um, puppet of Gruenberg speaking.)Yay! :D I'll actually have to arrive early next so that I'm not so far behind next time. That or you could actually eat something before coming. :p;)

I guess I should also show up early if I'm meant to be the organiser... but that sounds too much like being responsible.

Christmas already happened. :(

I'll come if someone else will play for the flights and accomodation.

I'll come if someone else will play for the flights and accomodation.You should be so lucky. If I were to pay for anything you'd probably get ferry tickets and bus tickets and depending on which city we go to I'd put you up in my own house, or with one of the members of my family... except Manchester. I have no family in Manchester. I'd probably have to stay there as well to avoid any awkwardness. 'Hi grandma, can you put up this Irish guy for the night. No, you don't him, but I do. Anyway, toodleloo.'

I'll come if someone else will play for the flights and accomodation.

I didn't know flights and accomodation had a sports team...

I believe I would feel too young on this forum to attend such a thing.

make it edinburgh or glasgow and i'm there. newcastle at the outside.

make it edinburgh or glasgow and i'm there. newcastle at the outside.

Yay for the toon! Probably too far for the southerners to go...

London for me. I'm only young, and I'm only 30 or so miles outside it.

London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds are good for me. Bristol will be a bit of a bugger to get to. How about Nottingham or Sheffield? I know an amazing pub in Sheffield about 15 minutes walk from the train station.

And wasn't Leicester mooted as a possible venue at one point?

Updated the list of possible venues. Ten's the maximum possible for choices for a poll, right?

I never saw the photos from the third NS meet up. Is there a thread for it somewhere?

I never saw the photos from the third NS meet up. Is there a thread for it somewhere?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499325

There it is. Around posts 10-15.

Also, could we make it after March 19th?

Christ, we need a US meetup.

Right. Since we want to meet the serial rapists that live in this country. You go ahead.

Right. Since we want to meet the serial rapists that live in this country. You go ahead.

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There was a Baltimore NS meet... all of two people, I think. NYC would be a good place for one...

Updated the list of possible venues. Ten's the maximum possible for choices for a poll, right?

Correct.

Right. Since we want to meet the serial rapists that live in this country. You go ahead.

As for a USA meet.. I was in Boston and I actually met a girl Sark slept with.. does that count as a meet?

As for a USA meet.. I was in Boston and I actually met a girl Sark slept with.. does that count as a meet?

Did you sleep with her too?

Then we have an official NS whore.

Did you sleep with her too?

Then we have an official NS whore.

No.. :(

Londinivm and Leicester are good for me. Maybe Brum, if I look up where it is, or Nottingham (Nottingham can't be that hard to get to... Some of my co-workers commute from here to there every day).

But anywhere other than Londinivm means ix-nay on the eer-bay for me :(

I’d love it if there was a meet-up in Glasgow or Edinburgh, but I can understand the difficulties in travel for most people.

Londinivm and Leicester are good for me. Maybe Brum, if I look up where it is, or Nottingham (Nottingham can't be that hard to get to... Some of my co-workers commute from here to there every day).

But anywhere other than Londinivm means ix-nay on the eer-bay for me :(
You'd be driving? Why not get a train?

Living in York, I can get to just about anywhere in a couple of hours on the train, and four or five by bus, so wherever's good for me - but really, Leeds would be the best choice due to its close proximity.

You'd be driving? Why not get a train?

I'm an Old Person now, no 30% discount for me :(
Also, I live ten miles from Kettering station and the only practicable way of getting there is by car. So that means blagging lifts to/from, or paying even more money to park there all day.

With the exception of London (where I can stay all weekend at my girlfriend's house) trains work out slower, more expensive and more hassle than just driving places. Even if it means no beer.

Time for pollification?

Time for pollification?
Is that something to do with parrots?

Sealand!

Hey, Ireland's in the UK..

I meant Northern Ireland. :rolleyes:

Sealand!
Not UK territory!

Not UK territory!
Since when did a UK meet have to be in the UK?

Since when did a UK meet have to be in the UK?
Good point.

Las Islas Canarias, anyone?

Good point.

Las Islas Canarias, anyone?
Although on the other hand you have to take into account most people want to do this on the cheap. ;)

Good point.

Las Islas Canarias, anyone?

Amsterdam!

*ahem* LOL

Although on the other hand you have to take into account most people want to do this on the cheap. ;)
So do I, to be honest, it was something of a joke ;)

For example - anywhere on the train other than Leeds = utter tragedy, so it'll be the bus.

dont mind anywhere where i can get to really would say lincoln the pubs are good but a bugger to get too out of the county

Lincolnshire!
Mainly because I live in Grimsby and I doubt my mum would take me to London again...

Ilaer

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dont mind anywhere where i can get to really would say lincoln the pubs are good but a bugger to get too out of the county

Lincoln is nice...but that hill kills me!

Lincolnshire!
Mainly because I live in Grimsby and I doubt my mum would take me to London again...

Ilaer

Train?

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I was joking about the 'Dam LOL...but it would have been nice...

I was joking about the 'Dam LOL...but it would have been nice...Shush, it's the joke option that will hopefully attract anyone who is just voting, but not intending on coming. :p

Lincoln is nice...but that hill kills me!

Thats why Michealgate is there for

I'll pop in for a bit if youre in leicester. TBH I just want the chance to criticise PM's politics in person.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7333/nsmeetmapfu6.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nsmeetmapfu6.jpg)

*nods* :D


*hopes london or brum get it*
*is going to amsterdam at the weekend...*

Mon the Glasgow! Cause I'm here and its awesome :D

Mon the Glasgow! Cause I'm here and its awesome :D
Aye, love Glasgow.

Plus I get a Scottish accent in about 4 minutes, so I'm pretty safe there!

Shush, it's the joke option that will hopefully attract anyone who is just voting, but not intending on coming. :p
But I study there and I could come if it were in A'dam.:(

But I study there and I could come if it were in A'dam.:(Hey, if you can convince enough people to go to Amsterdam then I'd be up for going international.

Hey, if you can convince enough people to go to Amsterdam then I'd be up for going international.
A boat leaves from Hull, so I'd do it!

I'd vote for Oxford actually. I might be able to make London or somewhere though.

My £0.02

I'd vote for Oxford actually. I might be able to make London or somewhere though.

My £0.02
Mmm Oxford. Used to live in Witney.

Mmm Oxford. Used to live in Witney.

I'm in a smallish town near Oxford, so that's my reasoning. Selfish as usual. It's a nice place though.

Oh yeah, the other reason for Oxford is that it has the noodlebar - www.noodlebar.net unless my google-fu fails me. That's a great place.

I'm in a smallish town near Oxford, so that's my reasoning. Selfish as usual. It's a nice place though.
So's Witney - it's about 13 miles away, and you need to go across a toll bridge that used to cost 2p when I lived there, probably ten now, to get to Oxford by car.

Iam amazed that no one has suggested Skeggie not that I would

Mmm Oxford. Used to live in Witney.

ooh i was in Witney recently... just before xmas. nice looking place :)

Blackpool, ftw. :(

Iam amazed that no one has suggested Skeggie not that I would

Never. I did my UK driving test there....3 bloody times! Damn one way system...

Inverness!

(That's the farthest south I'm willing to go.)

We could all go Monster hunting, out to the Loch :D

If you have it somewhere smoke-free in Manchester, Refused Party Program may consider stalking you all.

I'm in a smallish town near Oxford, so that's my reasoning. Selfish as usual. It's a nice place though.

Oh yeah, the other reason for Oxford is that it has the noodlebar - www.noodlebar.net unless my google-fu fails me. That's a great place.
There's a noodle bar in Leicester as well. Not part of that chain, and it's 20% cheaper.

Plus one of the items on the menu is Fook King Rice. :D

Any updates on this yet?

Any updates on this yet?Woah, I almost forgot about this. I've been dragged on to someone's campaign team for the campaign to get a sabatical position on the birmingham student union. It's been... uh... time consuming.

Anyway, two updates. The first is a suggested split so that we can have two simultaneous meets perhaps, and I've arbitarily suggested we meet up on the 14th of April.

Something Stalin said in the Chilli thread made me think: If we/one group went to Leicester we could have a curry there! :D

ooh i was in Witney recently... just before xmas. nice looking place :)
Aye. Nice Christmas decorations, if they still have the ones from about 8 years ago, and it has a good Waitrose, IIRC.

Something Stalin said in the Chilli thread made me think: If we/one group went to Leicester we could have a curry there! :DWhy would I go to Leicester for a curry? I live in Birmingham of all places... Not many people want to go to Leicester as well. I'd be up for it, but only a few other people were interested. DHomme said he would come to Leicester. That would certainly make things interesting.

Something Stalin said in the Chilli thread made me think: If we/one group went to Leicester we could have a curry there! :D


You don't go to Leicester for curries. That's what Manchester is for.

Im suggesting Astana, Kazakhstan but whatever:rolleyes:

You don't go to Leicester for curries. That's what Manchester is for.
Or Leeds/Bradford.

Or Leeds/Bradford.


I'll give you Bradistan.

What about a trip to Cornwall?

You don't go to Leicester for curries. That's what Manchester is for.
I've tried several places along the (in)famous 'curry mile', and, I'll be honest with you, the best one I had would rank about average in Leicester.

Belgrave Gate, Leicester. Best curry houses in the country, bar none.

Anyone going to London could just meet at Euston train station. It's the easiest train station to get to from most places. And that line goes as far as Birmingham or Nottingham.

Anyone going to London could just meet at Euston train station. It's the easiest train station to get to from most places. And that line goes as far as Birmingham or Nottingham.
From Euston you can get to Manchester, at least.

The last meet was in London and we met at the Euston Flyer, a pub less than five minutes walk from Euston, King's Cross and St. Pancras. Very convenient for getting drunk people on their trains back home...eh, Gruenberg? :p

From Euston you can get to Manchester, at least.

The last meet was in London and we met at the Euston Flyer, a pub less than five minutes walk from Euston, King's Cross and St. Pancras. Very convenient for getting drunk people on their trains back home...eh, Gruenberg? :p

There MUST be a meetup. Me wannee get drunk.

Wait..er....underage....damn.....someone up for buying me booze? :p

This is going nowhere fast... no one interested in expressing their preferences for a particular date?

This is going nowhere fast... no one interested in expressing their preferences for a particular date?

Hmm. I could take a role in organising a possible London one?

April 14th would be good for me. It's on a Saturday, and my work ends at 1, so that would be good.

Hmm. I could take a role in organising a possible London one?

April 14th would be good for me. It's on a Saturday, and my work ends at 1, so that would be good.I don't necessarily need any help (thanks for offering though). All I need is for people to say that they can make the 14th of April or not, and if not then suggest other dates.

I don't necessarily need any help (thanks for offering though). All I need is for people to say that they can make the 14th of April or not, and if not then suggest other dates.

Ok. Well, 14th of April is good.

I don't necessarily need any help (thanks for offering though). All I need is for people to say that they can make the 14th of April or not, and if not then suggest other dates.
Yep, I can do April 14th. Unless I'm employed by then and have to work that day.

Yep, I can do April 14th. Unless I'm employed by then and have to work that day.

NS comes above work. :p

NS comes above work. :p
Hmmm. If I were given a job on the one condition that I was barred from NS for life, I'd take the job. Assuming it were a decent job.

April 14th sounds good to me

Hmmm. If I were given a job on the one condition that I was barred from NS for life, I'd take the job. Assuming it were a decent job.

Meh, that's fair enough. And it paid well.

14th sound s good to me

14th is good for me.

And I promise I won't back out at last minute like I did last time :D

Any of the ones near Manchester are fine for me. Though I think I can save up for London :)

(Used to be Anarcho-Conceptualists. Haven't been on for a while. Life took over :( )

I could do the 14th, I'm sure, and since it's after my birthday, I might actually have money to travel somewhere. I still vote London, though, because I'm lazy.

14th could work, depending where it is. I still say Glasgow, city of Architecture and all :D

14th could work, depending where it is. I still say Glasgow, city of Architecture and all :D*pokes* There are enough people who want to go to Glasgow. You should just hold a simultaneous event in Glasgow on the 14th. If laptops are brought to each then we can have a conference or something :)

Hmmm. If I were given a job on the one condition that I was barred from NS for life, I'd take the job. Assuming it were a decent job.When do we contact TG and see if he can make it too?

When do we contact TG and see if he can make it too?
Once we've established a date and city?

Although if he's changed his mobile number, I don't know how we'll contact him...

14th April I can probably make. Not heard of any plans for it yet, and my sister's birthday bash (should there be such a thing) is more likely to be the weekend after :)

I'm afraid I'm already busy on the 14th. Ah well, I'll try to be at the next one.

I'm afraid I'm already busy on the 14th. Ah well, I'll try to be at the next one.

Me me count me in. I can't help but notice though the OP said 2006? What somebody too lazy to create a new message, or heh have we all said yeah to an event that happend last year?

Me me count me in. I can't help but notice though the OP said 2006? What somebody too lazy to create a new message, or heh have we all said yeah to an event that happend last year?
If you'd read the second sentence, you'd have seen this:

Ladies and gentlemen, please do not let the prospect that xmas 2006 has already passed put you off. I propose that the meet be arranged in proximity to easter, when the students of NS will be on their holidays, and their might be a bankholiday around to make reduce time pressures.

It'll be April 14th 2007.

If you'd read the second sentence, you'd have seen this:



It'll be April 14th 2007.

What? Read the second sentance, man this t'internet nobody reads everything, naaa browes mate that's what it's all about innit(desperatly trying to cover for my lazyness)

14th is booked for

ns meet

location: unknown at present

So where? Whens the April bank holiday? Is there one? Coz if its that weekend traveling will be a bitch...

Oh...and yeah London is easiest...but Leicester sounds fun for a curry...or Brum...can we sort out a place soon so I can book cheap train tickets?

Oh...and a decent pub. Not a Weatherspoons....nor a themed place...a pool table would be nice...

I'd be more than happy to bring my lappy and a web cam...I'm sure we can host this via the net...

/geek

I'd be more than happy to bring my lappy and a web cam...I'm sure we can host this via the net...

Go Wireless Scrumping, you mean?
Or are there pubs with access points now?

Go Wireless Scrumping, you mean?
Or are there pubs with access points now?

nah...I have a 3g card :D

nah...I have a 3g card :D

Ah! Of course :)

nah...I have a 3g card :D

Ahhhhh nerd!

My oldest was talkig to his aunt the other day(she took him out to some Gamesworkshop thing) and when she brought him back was laughingly telling me how much like me he was. One of the comments she made was summit alonk the lines of when he got into the shop a small crowd gathered around him 'wanna play, wanna play?'


I told her that we can smell each other out, it's like pheramones, ahhh the smell of nerd!:D

Right, there have been enough positive responses to the 14th of april (the saturday after easter sunday), and for london. So we will there will be a meet on the 14th of April in London...

I just have decide where in London now.

Hmmm... how about The Lyceum, 354 Strand. It has cheap beer (for London - £1.76 for a pint), and real ale too. It's about 500m away from Charing Cross train station making it fairly easy to get to. It's also 500m from Embankmet and Temple, and 300m from Covent Garden.

If that's not to your liking then her's a set of nice pubs in central london to browse over. Enjoy. :)
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/guide/central_london.shtml

of all fucking days in Appril it had to be the day I am at Keep It True :(

cheap beer and real ale its gotta be a plus to it

Right, there have been enough positive responses to the 14th of april (the saturday after easter sunday), and for london. So we will there will be a meet on the 14th of April in London...

I just have decide where in London now.

Hmmm... how about The Lyceum, 354 Strand. It has cheap beer (for London - £1.76 for a pint), and real ale too. It's about 500m away from Charing Cross train station making it fairly easy to get to. It's also 500m from Embankmet and Temple, and 300m from Covent Garden.

If that's not to your liking then her's a set of nice pubs in central london to browse over. Enjoy. :)
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/guide/central_london.shtml
What's wrong with the Euston Flyer? We weren't actually barred from it...:p

But fair enough. Are there cheap places to eat nearby?

That one in Euston was good; I could be a miserly bastard and walk to it ;)

But the Lyceum Tavern is on the Northern line, so if it sells proper beer for cheap it's fine by me. I'll just have to abuse my mollusc to get there.

Edito:
What's wrong with the Euston Flyer? We weren't actually barred from it...:p
They'll have forgotten us by now anyway ;)

That one in Euston was good; I could be a miserly bastard and walk to it ;)
Not really a 'miserly bastard' pub. It was rather on the expensive side, especially for those of us buying Franziskaner...

But the Lyceum Tavern is on the Northern line, so if it sells proper beer for cheap it's fine by me. I'll just have to abuse my mollusc to get there.
Your mollusc?

Hmmm...here's what reviewers of the Lyceum have to say on BITE:

"Good pub to see homeless digging through bins"
"Soulless however"
"As for the food a let down expensive microwaved"
"a pleasant place to drink second only to the swan& bottle over the rd!"

Why don't we try the Swan & Bottle? Or both, I guess.

Edito:

They'll have forgotten us by now anyway ;)
Perhaps. So long as we don't take Gruenberg...:p

Right, there have been enough positive responses to the 14th of april (the saturday after easter sunday), and for london. So we will there will be a meet on the 14th of April in London...

I just have decide where in London now.

Hmmm... how about The Lyceum, 354 Strand. It has cheap beer (for London - £1.76 for a pint), and real ale too. It's about 500m away from Charing Cross train station making it fairly easy to get to. It's also 500m from Embankmet and Temple, and 300m from Covent Garden.

If that's not to your liking then her's a set of nice pubs in central london to browse over. Enjoy. :)
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/guide/central_london.shtml

This may prove a problem for me, IF they won't let under 18s in. Do they, do you know?

Perhaps. So long as we don't take Gruenberg...:p

I'm guessing he got HORRIFICALLY drunk?

What's wrong with the Euston Flyer? We weren't actually barred from it...:p

But fair enough. Are there cheap places to eat nearby?I wanted to make this meet at least slightly different from yours. :p I'm cool cat, not a copy cat.

I'm guessing he got HORRIFICALLY drunk?

that would in sense put it mildly

I'm guessing he got HORRIFICALLY drunk?It's alright. No one actually noticed, even when he slumped over. People only began to noticed when he puked up beneath the seats mounted on the wall.

It's alright. No one actually noticed, even when he slumped over. People only began to noticed when he puked up beneath the seats mounted on the wall.

Oh....sounds like a laugh! Hehe. Anyway. I would rather appreciate an answer to my earlier question...does this bar you're suggesting let in under 18s?

This may prove a problem for me, IF they won't let under 18s in. Do they, do you know?
From the picture on BITE, it looks like they have an outdoor section. They probably won't let <18s in the bar area, but you'd probably be ok outside. Just hope it doesn't rain.

Oh....sounds like a laugh! Hehe. Anyway. I would rather appreciate an answer to my earlier question...does this bar you're suggesting let in under 18s?I don't know to be honnest. I don't ever get IDed, so I'm not your man to ask... Stalin though... he ALWAYS gets IDed... maybe he would know. The alternative is that I ring them up tomorrow.

I don't know to be honnest. I don't ever get IDed, so I'm not your man to ask... Stalin though... he ALWAYS gets IDed... maybe he would know. The alternative is that I ring them up tomorrow.

Could you please ring them? :D I would love you for forever and a day. And you would get cookies and tacos.

From the picture on BITE, it looks like they have an outdoor section. They probably won't let <18s in the bar area, but you'd probably be ok outside. Just hope it doesn't rain.

Britain? April? Outside? I'm fucked. :p

I don't know to be honnest. I don't ever get IDed, so I'm not your man to ask... Stalin though... he ALWAYS gets IDed... maybe he would know. The alternative is that I ring them up tomorrow.
IDed once! Never been IDed in London, actually.

I'd say, from experience, that chain pubs are more likely to ID people than privately owned pubs. Not sure whether this one is chain or not.

Could you please ring them? :D I would love you for forever and a day. And you would get cookies and tacos.Yay! And all for the paltry price of 10p per minute... damn 0870 numbers. They should rot in hell. I hates revenue-share numbers. I hates them.

Yay! And all for the paltry price of 10p per minute... damn 0870 numbers. They should rot in hell. I hates revenue-share numbers. I hates them.

Shup. I'll give you beer money for one beer when we get there. Deal? :p

IDed once! Never been IDed in London, actually.

I'd say, from experience, that chain pubs are more likely to ID people than privately owned pubs. Not sure whether this one is chain or not.Haha, aww, still so sensitive about that time you were ided in Birmingham. Cute. :)

Shup. I'll give you beer money for one beer when we get there. Deal? :pDeal! They don't get much better than that as deals go. :) Is it legal for an underage person to give money to someone expressly for the purpose of the overage person buying a drink to consume his or herself?

Deal! They don't get much better than that as deals go. :) Is it legal for an underage person to give money to someone expressly for the purpose of the overage person buying a drink to consume his or herself?

Nope, as far as I know, completely legal. Me giving you money to buy ME a beer would be illegal. Trust me, I work with these laws 15 hours of a week at my local Co-Op. :p

Haha, aww, still so sensitive about that time you were ided in Birmingham. Cute. :)
:p

I'm not sensitive about the one particular incident, it's just collectively over the years it gets a bit annoying.

:p

I'm not sensitive about the one particular incident, it's just collectively over the years it gets a bit annoying.

Shup. Least you HAVE ID. I'm only a n00b at life. I have to get 18 year olds to buy me copious amounts of vodka. And they ARE hard to come by, you know.

dont i have been ided when buying drink even when was below the age to get them

Shup. Least you HAVE ID. I'm only a n00b at life. I have to get 18 year olds to buy me copious amounts of vodka. And they ARE hard to come by, you know.Not that hard... I know a person, whom I shall refer to by the letter 'I' who disregards most laws that prohibit people from doing things that do nor harm others. *ahem* c.c

Your mollusc?

Oyster card ;)

I would rather appreciate an answer to my earlier question...does this bar you're suggesting let in under 18s?

I know it's rude to ask a lady her age, but how old are you? And more importantly, how old do you look? Because hardly anywhere cares about girls' ages, especially when they're part of a (relatively) well behaved group.
As long as you don't do a Gruenberg. ;)

When I first started playing NS, I thought "hey, I wonder if I play this game long enough, what my legacy will be". My foul-mouthed RP characters? My UN resolutions? My occasional forays into General?

Now I see it's that "to do a Gruenberg" has entered the NSG lexicon. Wonderful. :p

I don't mind returning to the scene of the crime - I've been in since, actually - but it'd be more interesting to try somewhere else. It's London; there's more than one pub.

So this is a no on flying me into the country and putting me up in 5 star accomodation?

I know it's rude to ask a lady her age, but how old are you? And more importantly, how old do you look? Because hardly anywhere cares about girls' ages, especially when they're part of a (relatively) well behaved group.
As long as you don't do a Gruenberg. ;)

I'm a guy. With a penis, and everything.

I'm a guy. With a penis, and everything.

Oops. Sorry...

I really thought you were female for some reason... Um... My mistake...

*Is embarrassed*
*Awaits Bottle turning up and demanding "WHY IS INCORRECTLY ASSUMING SOMEBODY'S FEMALE EMBARRASSING?!"*

*Tries to recover situation*
Still, so long as you don't look twelve, and you're part of a well-behaved group, you should be fine!

I think that recovered well. Ahahah, what a prat I'd've looked otherwise.

Oops. Sorry...

I really thought you were female for some reason... Um... My mistake...

*Is embarrassed*
*Awaits Bottle turning up and demanding "WHY IS INCORRECTLY ASSUMING SOMEBODY'S FEMALE EMBARRASSING?!"*

*Tries to recover situation*
Still, so long as you don't look twelve, and you're part of a well-behaved group, you should be fine!

I think that recovered well. Ahahah, what a prat I'd've looked otherwise.

I've been on here nearly a year, and people still don't know my gender :( :p
Well apparently I look slightly older, but I still do get IDed for things.
And yes, you recovered well. Well done. :p

Sorry all the cock talk put me orf.

So are we decided then?

Sorry all the cock talk put me orf.

So are we decided then?

April 14th, a pub in London somewhere. Check back over the last two or so pages for details.

I suppsoe now the day been more and less sorted i should think about getting the bus ticket booked

I'm guessing he got HORRIFICALLY drunk?

and we missed it! :( :p

From the picture on BITE, it looks like they have an outdoor section. They probably won't let <18s in the bar area, but you'd probably be ok outside. Just hope it doesn't rain.
Excellent.

Any chance of people meeting up at various stations at various times, by the way?

Wouldn't want to come to London and not have a clue about where to go, tbh (only been a couple of times, mostly for demonstrations, and they're more about chanting things than learning your way around the city).

Excellent.

Any chance of people meeting up at various stations at various times, by the way?

Wouldn't want to come to London and not have a clue about where to go, tbh (only been a couple of times, mostly for demonstrations, and they're more about chanting things than learning your way around the city).
York...you'd be coming into King's Cross, wouldn't you? I'll meet you there, if you want, as I'll be coming into St Pancras. Then it's just the small matter of getting the Tube to Embankment. Easy.

I'd be willing to act as guide for anyone coming into Victoria. I work on the transport system so know my way around.

Date and place sound fine to me, I think, and if PM is able, I'm sure we'd love to go :)

If it's a place where they actually ask for ID to get in, I won't be able to come. But if they only ID for buying drinks, or if I'll be fine just looking 18, then I can come.... If there could be a clearcut answer about that it'd be good cos I don't wanna come and then get turned away :p

Date and place sound fine to me, I think, and if PM is able, I'm sure we'd love to go :)

If it's a place where they actually ask for ID to get in, I won't be able to come. But if they only ID for buying drinks, or if I'll be fine just looking 18, then I can come.... If there could be a clearcut answer about that it'd be good cos I don't wanna come and then get turned away :p

its ok, you can sit outside while we get wasted ;)

its ok, you can sit outside while we get wasted ;)

Always the gent :)

It would appear I might not be able to make it.

April 14th is Sri Lankan New Year, and, as my girlfriend's family is Sri Lankan, I might be asked to join in the festivities. Might be. Not entirely sure about that.

Just thought I should say.

I wouldn't mind coming to a meet in Glasgow myself. We can go off to the Scottish Parliament and make nuisances of ourselves. My grandfather can organise a visit for us.

York...you'd be coming into King's Cross, wouldn't you? I'll meet you there, if you want, as I'll be coming into St Pancras. Then it's just the small matter of getting the Tube to Embankment. Easy.
Aye, if I get the train. Might be coming in by National Express, though, owing to that being 25 quid instead of 125 (and I'm too lazy to get a job at this juncture of my life).

Still - if I can afford it, aye, I'll come into King's Cross. Will post more on the matter later.

Aye, if I get the train. Might be coming in by National Express, though, owing to that being 25 quid instead of 125 (and I'm too lazy to get a job at this juncture of my life).

Still - if I can afford it, aye, I'll come into King's Cross. Will post more on the matter later.

National Express is the only really way to get to London from my neck of woods

So.....


Is this a go?

So.....


Is this a go?
I think I can safely say...

Possibly.

I think I can safely say...

Possibly.

Possibly? If I have to go to London and get pissed on my own it will happen!

(Not that I do this all the time anyway......... well not much anyway....)

I hope the meetup goes well, but I have noticed that they tend to happen in England. 'Fess up: y'all are planning to take over the world aren't you?:p

Someday, we may get to go to The UK. If we can, then we would love to attend a meetup.

For those organizing the meet, TG would like you to know his phone number hasn't changed, and he's anxiously awaiting a text/phone call

Thought I'd arbitrarily bump this, just to make sure everyone can still come/still intends to come.

Thought I'd arbitrarily bump this, just to make sure everyone can still come/still intends to come.

Yep yep, just to make sure I have the details. April 14th, near Charing Cross? whats the name of the pub, and what time?

I am!

Who's got TG's number? I've only got Stalin's. I assume that Stalin has everyone's who went to the last one, so Oi! Stalin! Call him!

And yeah, what pub? What time? Do we know that yet?

I have TG's number, only I can never get through to him.

Anyway 14th April, High noon at the Lyceum, 354 Strand, WC2R 0HS - 020 7836 7155

Stalin has offered to meet people at Euston if you're not confident at finding your way through London.

Telegram me if you, for whatever reason, want my mobile number. I will require credit card details before hand if you want phone sex.

Stalin has offered to meet people at Euston if you're not confident at finding your way through London.
King's Cross, actually, but whichever, I don't really mind.

King's Cross, actually, but whichever, I don't really mind.Whoops, but it's not as if those two stations are on opposite sides of London. So, yeah, Kings Cross. Wanting to pick up a hooker?

I am!

Who's got TG's number? I've only got Stalin's. I assume that Stalin has everyone's who went to the last one, so Oi! Stalin! Call him!
Yeah, I've got most people's, though, as TID has said, he's trying to get in touch with TG.

Tactical Grace is confirmed. I repeat, Tactical Grace is confirmed. Woo!

Tactical Grace is confirmed. I repeat, Tactical Grace is confirmed. Woo!

Cool :)

But high noon? Urgh, I'm going to have to get up early to get there by then from Camden :s

Cool :)

But high noon? Urgh, I'm going to have to get up early to get there by then from Camden :sCamden? What the hell are you bitching about? There are people coming from remote cities like Leicester and you're complaining about Camden? Hell, you're probably the closest. :p

Camden? What the hell are you bitching about? There are people coming from remote cities like Leicester and you're complaining about Camden? Hell, you're probably the closest. :p

Heh yeah but to the native Camdemite, noon is like 6:00am.

Camden? What the hell are you bitching about? There are people coming from remote cities like Leicester and you're complaining about Camden? Hell, you're probably the closest. :p

But still, noon?
Does beer clash with toothpaste as badly as coffee does? Hope not.

;)

Still, my girlfriend will be happy. She'll be able to have my DS all to herself to play Kirby and Mario whilst I go and get pissed.

Heh yeah but to the native Camdemite, noon is like 6:00am.Always the way, the people who lived closest to school were always the latest.

But still, noon?
Does beer clash with toothpaste as badly as coffee does? Hope not.

;)

Still, my girlfriend will be happy. She'll be able to have my DS all to herself to play Kirby and Mario whilst I go and get pissed.Fine! We can move it later if you want. I just arbitarily picked a time, because I was getting fed up pussy footing about asking everyone what was convienient for them.

PS. Old wine is good wine, but... expensive wine is good wine also... Hence getting pissed is better than Mario. But only marginally.

But still, noon?
Does beer clash with toothpaste as badly as coffee does? Hope not.
You can turn up later if you want, though we may be at least one sheet to the wind by then, if not the regulation three.

Fine! We can move it later if you want. I just arbitarily picked a time, because I was getting fed up pussy footing about asking everyone what was convienient for them.

Nah, don't arrange it around me. I'll just be late. But I would be anyway, so I'll still be earlier than if I were late and you'd arranged it at 2pm.

Excellent excuse for a nice, big fried breakfast just beforehand, too.

Nah, don't arrange it around me. I'll just be late. But I would be anyway, so I'll still be earlier than if I were late and you'd arranged it at 2pm.

Excellent excuse for a nice, big fried breakfast just beforehand, too.Cool.

...I wonder how many people will actually turn up. :S

Cool.

...I wonder how many people will actually turn up. :S

I will,

hopefully,

well probably


:)

Cool.

...I wonder how many people will actually turn up. :S
At least four - me, you, CD and TG. Then probably Levee en Masse (I do remember who you are, but I can't bring it to mind right now), PM&Glitz (they are just the one), Ollieland, and, I assume, Rhursbourg. I make that nine.

So probably 2. ;)

Still haven't had question about ID answered... Anywhere ID is checked for entry, I can't go. Looking 18 I can do, and I won't be drinking so checking ID when buying is not an issue for me. But I don't wanna be turned away! :P

I will glady host the next NS UK meetup!

And Glitz, how old are you? :confused:

I will glady host the next NS UK meetup!
Where in the UK were you intending on hosting it?

Where in the UK were you intending on hosting it?

Somewhere in Cornwall, or maybe.. Blackpool!

.. or.. hmm..

Perhaps a nice visit to every single pub in the UK would be suffice.

Perhaps a nice visit to every single pub in the UK would be suffice.
That's my lifetime goal. Just pubs, though, not bars. Horrible, horrible things, bars.

That's my lifetime goal. Just pubs, though, not bars. Horrible, horrible things, bars.

Aye. As an American, I am going to.. well.. um.. USA can have pubs, too, right? Because there was this one time.. Lots of alcohol.. em.. er..

Yes. Bars suck.

Then probably Levee en Masse (I do remember who you are, but I can't bring it to mind right now)

Would it help if I said I was formerly Anarchic Conceptualists?

I know I haven't been a regular here since about half a year ago, but ...... life caught up :(


:)

Somewhere in Cornwall, or maybe.. Blackpool!

.. or.. hmm..

Perhaps a nice visit to every single pub in the UK would be suffice.

I vote Blackpool!

Have you still not done this meet up? This thread must have been around for ages by now...

Have you still not done this meet up? This thread must have been around for ages by now...
Just over a month. How come you're not coming along to it, anyway? You'd better have a damn good reason...;)

I vote Blackpool!
*somewhat agrees*
Have you still not done this meet up? This thread must have been around for ages by now...

Two months isn't that long!

Just over a month. How come you're not coming along to it, anyway? You'd better have a damn good reason...;)

I refuse to believe that you lot are anything other than a sophisticated computer programme, and so, if I turned up at any place, no one would actually be there. :p

I refuse to believe that you lot are anything other than a sophisticated computer programme, and so, if I turned up at any place, no one would actually be there. :p

.. like Sims or WoW?

.. like Sims or WoW?

Something like that. You're presumably the creation of some university nerd somewhere.

I refuse to believe that you lot are anything other than a sophisticated computer programme, and so, if I turned up at any place, no one would actually be there. :p
LOL! :D :p

LOL! :D :p

hmm, maybe you've got a point there... :p

The real reason is that Philosopy is actually Prince Harry, and he doesn't want to go to a Common Pub, with Common People. And paparazzi by the boatload.

The real reason is that Philosopy is actually Prince Harry, and he doesn't want to go to a Common Pub, with Common People. And paparazzi by the boatload.

Rumbled! :eek:

Rumbled! :eek:

To the palace!

*pins signs on the guards "NS meetup inside!"*

To the palace!

*pins signs on the guards "NS meetup inside!"*
Now that would be cool. NS takes over Buckingham Palace for a day. :)

To the palace!

*pins signs on the guards "NS meetup inside!"*

Guards! Guards!

Have you still not done this meet up? This thread must have been around for ages by now...I've found that, unlike me, most people know what they're doing more than 2 days in advance. So I decided to arrange this thing really far in the future so I can catch all those people who plan hideously in advance.

And Glitz, how old are you? :confused:
17, a week today...

17, a week today...

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Wha?!

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Wha?!
How old did you think I was? :confused:
And how could you miss all references to school, college, 16th birthday, age gap with me and Huw etc etc....? :p

How old did you think I was? :confused:
And how could you miss all references to school, college, 16th birthday, age gap with me and Huw etc etc....? :p

I thought you were 19.. :eek:

And you're in college? Yes? Which makes me think "19", and you look 19!

I have missed so many references.....

I thought you were 19.. :eek:

And you're in college? Yes? Which makes me think "19", and you look 19!

I have missed so many references.....
Heh, well, at least we have confirmation I look 19.... :p
And I'm talking of UK college i.e. 16-18 *nods*

Heh, well, at least we have confirmation I look 19.... :p
And I'm talking of UK college i.e. 16-18 *nods*

Is college different from uni there?

And I wouldn't ID you.. *nods*

At least four - me, you, CD and TG. Then probably Levee en Masse (I do remember who you are, but I can't bring it to mind right now), PM&Glitz (they are just the one), Ollieland, and, I assume, Rhursbourg. I make that nine.

So probably 2. ;)
I'll probably come if I get the money together!

Is college different from uni there?

And I wouldn't ID you.. *nods*
Indeed *nods* Have school til 16, then college/sixth-form college til 18, then Uni for however many years (if you follow into higher and further education, and missing out less academic options).

Neither would I V Stalin apparantly - woo! Shame I don't really drink :p

At least four - me, you, CD and TG. Then probably Levee en Masse (I do remember who you are, but I can't bring it to mind right now), PM&Glitz (they are just the one), Ollieland, and, I assume, Rhursbourg. I make that nine.

So probably 2. ;)Am I included in that two? Or am I not expected to come?

Is college different from uni there?
Yep - college here is like your high school - you get an education from 16-18 and a fair few drop out.

Uni here is like your colleges and universities combined - you can do almost anything at our unis - from mundane stuff like Maths and History right up to Nanotechnology.

Yep - college here is like your high school - you get an education from 16-18 and a fair few drop out.

Uni here is like your colleges and universities combined - you can do almost anything at our unis - from mundane stuff like Maths and History right up to Nanotechnology.British universities suck in that they demand you make an exact and precise specialisation into the field that you wish to study when you're 17-18. Most universities also suck at intercollation, and many departments will discourage students from taking modules from outside of the department, let alone consider intercollating.

Indeed *nods* Have school til 16, then college/sixth-form college til 18, then Uni for however many years (if you follow into higher and further education, and missing out less academic options).

So it's like high school? Then uni is.. well, yes. I've learned something today!
Neither would I V Stalin apparantly - woo! Shame I don't really drink :p

Well if you ever become an alcoholic.. *offers business card*
Am I included in that two? Or am I not expected to come?

You're the host, thus attendance is a given, thus you need not be mentioned, thus I Like the word "thus".

Yep - college here is like your high school - you get an education from 16-18 and a fair few drop out.

Uni here is like your colleges and universities combined - you can do almost anything at our unis - from mundane stuff like Maths and History right up to Nanotechnology.

Why don't they just call it high school? Or why don't we just call it college?

Am I included in that two? Or am I not expected to come?

I think you were the "you" in that post, because IIRC he was replying to your post.... *gets confused and toodles off to bed :P*

I think you were the "you" in that post, because IIRC he was replying to your post.... *gets confused and toodles off to bed :P*I was being facetious - a word that is considerably better than thus.

a word that is considerably better than thus.

That is a lie, thus you are banned from the next meetup.

Why don't they just call it high school? Or why don't we just call it college?
Probably because "college" is the older name for the academy-esque things, which used to teach a different age of people, and because high school has a nice ring to it and is different to that of your previous oppressors ;)

British universities suck in that they demand you make an exact and precise specialisation into the field that you wish to study when you're 17-18. Most universities also suck at intercollation, and many departments will discourage students from taking modules from outside of the department, let alone consider intercollating.
making that decision so early does suck... the american way (or way we used to have it iirc) of doing a selection of actually different subjects in your first year (not just different modules of the same subject) and chosing which one(s?) to carry on in the second year makes far more sense to me.

*sleeps*
Yep - college here is like your high school - you get an education from 16-18 and a fair few drop out.

Uni here is like your colleges and universities combined - you can do almost anything at our unis - from mundane stuff like Maths and History right up to Nanotechnology.

and US grad school stuff is also done at uni here if i understand correctly

At least four - me, you, CD and TG. Then probably Levee en Masse (I do remember who you are, but I can't bring it to mind right now), PM&Glitz (they are just the one), Ollieland, and, I assume, Rhursbourg. I make that nine.

So probably 2. ;)

I'm still up for it...

What about this hook up thing with the Ireland contingent...?

Am I included in that two? Or am I not expected to come?
Erm, I didn't really think about the number I was putting. Two just happened to be the one my finger hit at the end of the sentence.

If there's only going to be two people, I'd guess it'd be you and TG.

Already booked the day off work, if theres beer I'll be there

Already booked the day off work, if theres beer I'll be there
It's being held at a pub, so one would hope...

Already booked the day off work, if theres beer I'll be there

You work on Saterday? You poor sod.

It's being held at a pub, so one would hope...

but you can never really tell these days some funny things happen in big cities

Christ, we need a US meetup.Seconded!


...although considering the sheer size of the US, there would have to be several different ones.

Still haven't had question about ID answered... Anywhere ID is checked for entry, I can't go. Looking 18 I can do, and I won't be drinking so checking ID when buying is not an issue for me. But I don't wanna be turned away! :P

What Id'ed for entry, noon, during the day on a saterday? I should think not.

Still haven't had question about ID answered... Anywhere ID is checked for entry, I can't go. Looking 18 I can do, and I won't be drinking so checking ID when buying is not an issue for me. But I don't wanna be turned away! :PI have finally checked. You do not get IDed at the door, but will get IDed at the bar if you look underage.

Seconded!


...although considering the sheer size of the US, there would have to be several different ones.

Yeah. One in Hawaii, one in DC, and one in California.

Yeah. One in Hawaii, one in DC, and one in California.

Hawaii? JuNii, meet JuNii. :p

And then what about everyone not on the coasts? Hmm?

Hawaii? JuNii, meet JuNii. :p

And then what about everyone not on the coasts? Hmm?

One day, when I'm insanly fucking rich, I'm going to host, and pay for, an international meetup. I'll pay for everyone's hotel room, transportation, etc..

It'll be held in Philly the first time, of course. Possibly a week long! Alcohol galore!

One day, when I'm insanly fucking rich, I'm going to host, and pay for, an international meetup. I'll pay for everyone's hotel room, transportation, etc..

It'll be held in Philly the first time, of course. Possibly a week long! Alcohol galore!

It should be in Amsterdam, dude. Easier for all the Europeans to get to, Americans need to travel more and if I'm going to mooch a free ticket to actually go somewhere I want to do better (and further) than Philly.

And of course the bud.

Hawaii? JuNii, meet JuNii. :p

And then what about everyone not on the coasts? Hmm?

Chicago. But you got to watch out for a guy in a pinstripe suit and his friends Vinny and Tony. (is parodying mob stories)

I have finally checked. You do not get IDed at the door, but will get IDed at the bar if you look underage.

Yay, thank you! :fluffle: perfect :)

British universities suck in that they demand you make an exact and precise specialisation into the field that you wish to study when you're 17-18. Most universities also suck at intercollation, and many departments will discourage students from taking modules from outside of the department, let alone consider intercollating.
Actually, I've spent all evening looking at various universities prospectus's after a convention thing, and many universities make you take modules in other subjects, especially in the first year, and sometimes in the second year. There are also a few universities (such as St Andrews) where you can take 2 or 3 subjects, equally, in the first year and then gradually specialise in 1 of them over the 3 years if you want, or get a combined degree. And in pretty much all universities, you can get many many combined degrees, and you pretty much always choose your specific specialisations in whatever subject you're taking in the last year (e.g. for psychology, choosing to take options of educational psychology, focus on personality and the individual etc).

Of course, after typing that, I realise that I've only been looking at Psychology, so it could vary greatly in other subjects. Though I think a lot of what I said does apply, because many universities I've looked at have a general policy of these things, such as a policy of making you take some module options from other subjects etc.

Not as good as it could be, obviously, but seems to be taking steps in the way of making sure people don't specialise too soon :)

Ten days away now. People are still coming, right?

I'll be there!

I'll be there!
Now you've said that, you'd better be...;)

shit. i thought it was the 14th of April..... i just organised something today with friends (its an all-day lord of the rings marathon) for that exact date, forgetting about this thing :S :(

only remembered after seeing the new american meet-up thread.

if it wasn't for the fact that i've already had people reply and want to come, and that these are people i haven't seen in up to two years, and that this has already been a bit of a bitch to work out & organise, i'd reschedule and come. but as it is i won't be able to come to the meet, same goes for glitzi. sorry guys :(

shit. i thought it was the 14th of April..... i just organised something today with friends (its an all-day lord of the rings marathon) for that exact date, forgetting about this thing :S :(

only remembered after seeing the new american meet-up thread.

if it wasn't for the fact that i've already had people reply and want to come, and that these are people i haven't seen in up to two years, and that this has already been a bit of a bitch to work out & organise, i'd reschedule and come. but as it is i won't be able to come to the meet, same goes for glitzi. sorry guys :(
D'oh. :(

Shame. Would've been good to see you again. Enjoy LOTR, I guess. :(