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Inspired by that other thread.

And I mean the stereotypical ones. Who, sadly, are in fact the majority of cheerleaders.

By "stereotypical ones" I mean:


They think they're better than everyone else.


They only date football players because football players are the only people equal to them.


They never do anything kind because they're better than everyone else.


They always expect other people to do things for them because they're better than everyone else.


They never thank people who do things for them because they're better than everyone else.


They shamelessly wear incredibly short skirts (I KNOW that back in the ol' day cheerleader skirts were no where NEAR the length they are now) in an attempt to get the football players to like them, even if it is liking them only for their bodies.


They are almost always happy, no matter what is going on.


They pay no attention to anything outside of their own little social life, no matter how important it may be.


When, if ever, they are sad, they expect every single last person on campus to take notice and be sorry for her, no matter why she is sad.


If she breaks up with her football player boyfriend, she automatically goes to the rebound guy, who will most probably be another football player, without thinking a bit about her ex-boyfriend.


They expect every guy on campus to want them, and if a guy doesn't seem to want them, they have their jock boyfriends harrass them.


They expect every girl on campus to want to be like them, and if a girl doesn't seem to want to be like them, they themselves will harass them.


They pay no attention to the future of their lives, concerned only with improving their current situation.


They pay no attention to their education, even if it may help them get a job after they become too old to be a cheerleader.


They even expect teachers and staff to bow down to them, because they're even better than the teachers.


They never aplogize if they do something like actually accidentally spill milk on someone, because they're still better than everyone.


And a hell of a lot more.


The cheerleaders at my school are much nicer than that. Ridiculously peppy and ditzy yes, mean and arrogant no.

Now that I think of it, I did date a cheerleader on and off when I was a sophomore in high school. She and her friends aren't mean really. From what I experienced, they were nice people with a proactive attitude, and it seems that people were just instinctively jealous of them for their looks, popularity, academic achievement, etc. I don't think all cheerleaders are bad. It's just the bad apples that are glorified in Hollywood who perpetuate and enforce these stereotypes.

I don't much care for the one who's running the country right now...

Haha, Yes!

But seriously, most cheerleaders are nice people

There's porn sites for guys hung up on cheerleaders, i'm sure;) that'll make life a little less depressing for you

I like you.

Awe shucks, thank you and I like you too. Yeah, cheerleaders, soccer players, and gymnasts had to be tops on the lists for high school hanky panky. However, cheerleaders were by far the sluttiest and easiest targets. Again I ask what is wrong with sexy chicks who like banging? :D

There's porn sites for guys hung up on cheerleaders, i'm sure;) that'll make life a little less depressing for you

There's porn sites for everything.

Haha, Yes!

But seriously, most cheerleaders are nice people

The ones I went to school with were generally nice folks, but some were hung up on the idea that what they did was a sport. If you went and told them that cheerleading (and by that, I mean the kind just done at a football game) is not a sport, they would snap.

Simply put, cheerleading, as done at a football game, is no more a sport than hitting a tennis ball against a brick wall. Now, if they went to competitions, it would be a sport.

Seriously, though, some cheerleaders fit the stereotype of "too good for anyone" but not everywhere. In some places, people like that don't last long.

There's porn sites for guys hung up on cheerleaders, i'm sure;) that'll make life a little less depressing for you

Two words:

Screw.

You.

People need to stop assuming that I'm ranting because I want to fuck a cheerleader but she won't let me. I hate them because of the listed reasons. I wouldn't fuck a cheerleader if she came up to me and honestly was going to allow me to do her any which way. Hell, since I'm asexual I wouldn't do that no matter who it was who came up to me. But even if I was straight or bi I wouldn't do it because there's no way I'd sink so low as to screw the people whom I hate most. I do not want to screw them. Get that through your head. Also get it through your head that I don't hate them just because they won't screw me. Also, stop assuming things about my sexuality based on things that aren't even said.

Good day.

Two words:

Screw.

You.

People need to stop assuming that I'm ranting because I want to fuck a cheerleader but she won't let me. I hate them because of the listed reasons. I wouldn't fuck a cheerleader if she came up to me and honestly was going to allow me to do her any which way. Hell, since I'm asexual I wouldn't do that no matter who it was who came up to me. But even if I was straight or bi I wouldn't do it because there's no way I'd sink so low as to screw the people whom I hate most. I do not want to screw them. Get that through your head. Also get it through your head that I don't hate them just because they won't screw me. Also, stop assuming things about my sexuality based on things that aren't even said.

Good day.
Has this stereotype of a cheerleader held true for every cheerleader you've ever met?

Also, stop assuming things about my sexuality based on things that aren't even said.

Good day.

Why not? You're assuming things about every person who has ever been a cheerleader based on what you've seen a few of them do. Do you not enjoy it when people assume unkind things about you?

Has this stereotype of a cheerleader held true for every cheerleader you've ever met?

'Bout 99% of them.

Why not? You're assuming things about every person who has ever been a cheerleader based on what you've seen a few of them do. Do you not enjoy it when people assume unkind things about you?

Did I rag on Smunkee because she said she was a cheerleader? No.

I see the cheerleader being stereotypical cheerleaderish, and I assume things about her.

Not all cheerleaders.

Did I rag on Smunkee because she said she was a cheerleader? No.

I see the cheerleader being stereotypical cheerleaderish, and I assume things about her.

Not all cheerleaders.

I'm sorry, but where in that did you indicate why it's okay for you to assume things about people, but it's not okay for people to assume things about you? I see you acting like a stereotypical cock-blocked teenage boy, and I'm not suppose to assume things about you why? Because it's only okay for you to do that?

I don't have the time to search through all the pages of this thread - can someone point me to the part where Bottle starts raping Nali in the nose?

Not to say she's right, but that it's funny.

Two words:

Screw.

You.

People need to stop assuming that I'm ranting because I want to fuck a cheerleader but she won't let me. I hate them because of the listed reasons. I wouldn't fuck a cheerleader if she came up to me and honestly was going to allow me to do her any which way. Hell, since I'm asexual I wouldn't do that no matter who it was who came up to me. But even if I was straight or bi I wouldn't do it because there's no way I'd sink so low as to screw the people whom I hate most. I do not want to screw them. Get that through your head. Also get it through your head that I don't hate them just because they won't screw me. Also, stop assuming things about my sexuality based on things that aren't even said.

Good day.

Is it wrong for people to assume that just because you have an irrational hatred of a certain group that you want to bang one and she won't let you?
Yes.

Is it equally wrong for you to assume that just because a girl chooses to participate in cheerleading that she is an arrogant, slutty bitch?
Yes.

So I join SD. What makes it okay for you to assume things about cheerleaders, but not okay for other people to assume things about you? Because it hurts you when they do it? Well, talk to any cheerleader and see how she feels about being labled a whore or a bitch just because she enjoys an activity. I think you'd find some common ground.

Best thread ever. At least it was when Cluich and Ifreann were discussing the merits of cheerleaders.
I think Naliitr is the most fun NSer to piss off. :D

The vast majority of High School cheerleaders are frustratingly stupid, in my experience, but they aren't all that malicious.

Annoying as hell? Fuck yes. I've never met one who I would want to hold a conversation with for more than 3 minutes, but they aren't nominally out to harm feelings. See, because of the pack animal instincts that preps hold, offending anyone is out by the time they hit High School. They'll make fun of you behind your back, but they have to keep people from thinking they hate them.

My general tact with cheerleaders is just talk slowly and use small words. Eventually they catch on that I have less than no interest in holding a conversation with someone with less than a handful of neurons, and they leave me alone.

'Bout 99% of them.

Wow... You have 100 cheerleaders at you school?

GodDammit! Grew up in the wrong country...

People need to stop assuming that I'm ranting because I want to fuck a cheerleader but she won't let me. I hate them because of the listed reasons. I wouldn't fuck a cheerleader if she came up to me and honestly was going to allow me to do her any which way. Hell, since I'm asexual I wouldn't do that no matter who it was who came up to me. But even if I was straight or bi I wouldn't do it because there's no way I'd sink so low as to screw the people whom I hate most. I do not want to screw them. Get that through your head. Also get it through your head that I don't hate them just because they won't screw me. Also, stop assuming things about my sexuality based on things that aren't even said.

Really - your general attitude suggests otherwise. And why single out cheerleaders? It seems odd that you single out one of the most sexualised high school groups in existance - and a good portion of your points are about such things - like 'They only sate footballers'.

If you don't like them, and don't want to have sex with them then why the hell do you care if they only date footballers?

Why not rant about footballers, the cool kids, bullies or any other group. You hvae chosen a very sexualised group and your rant at the start which includes a heap of sexual references. I really find it hard to believe you are asexual, it looks a lot more like you just can't get laid.


They only date football players because football players are the only people equal to them.

They shamelessly wear incredibly short skirts (I KNOW that back in the ol' day cheerleader skirts were no where NEAR the length they are now) in an attempt to get the football players to like them, even if it is liking them only for their bodies.

If she breaks up with her football player boyfriend, she automatically goes to the rebound guy, who will most probably be another football player, without thinking a bit about her ex-boyfriend.
Why do you care about ANY of this if you don't want to date them?

Best thread ever. At least it was when Cluich and Ifreann were discussing the merits of cheerleaders.
I think Naliitr is the most fun NSer to piss off. :D

Huzzah, appreciation! I inch ever closer to becoming a forum celebrity. Mwahahaha

The vast majority of High School cheerleaders are frustratingly stupid, in my experience, but they aren't all that malicious.

Annoying as hell? Fuck yes. I've never met one who I would want to hold a conversation with for more than 3 minutes, but they aren't nominally out to harm feelings. See, because of the pack animal instincts that preps hold, offending anyone is out by the time they hit High School. They'll make fun of you behind your back, but they have to keep people from thinking they hate them.

My general tact with cheerleaders is just talk slowly and use small words. Eventually they catch on that I have less than no interest in holding a conversation with someone with less than a handful of neurons, and they leave me alone.

Or they catch on that you consider yourself superior to them and are a bit of a jerk about it

I figured i'd ust insert that the only time i've seen cheerleaders, is when the people we were playing decided to bring them to the chess match.

eye candy to releave the interminable tedium of organized athletics

although i think some of the mascots are cool. you know, the furry ones.

can't remember the last time i've seen any though (cheerleaders that is. mascotts show up sometimes at furcon)

=^^=
.../\...

Huzzah, appreciation! I inch ever closer to becoming a forum celebrity. Mwahahaha

Huzzah!? An O and A fan as well?

Huzzah!? An O and A fan as well?

A what now?

Or they catch on that you consider yourself superior to them and are a bit of a jerk about it

Er... Yeah... That's kinda the point. I don't really care. I don't know whether its an act, or a real trait (I suspect that its an act), but I have no time for the whole airhead thing.

I'm sorry, but where in that did you indicate why it's okay for you to assume things about people, but it's not okay for people to assume things about you? I see you acting like a stereotypical cock-blocked teenage boy, and I'm not suppose to assume things about you why? Because it's only okay for you to do that?

Once again, I only assume because 99% of Cheerleaders WHOM I SEE follow the stereotype. Therefore I'd say that about 99% of Cheerleaders WHOM I SEE follow the stereotype as well. I'm not assuming it about all cheerleaders. Hell, I think there's one cheerleader at my school whom I respect.

Er... Yeah... That's kinda the point. I don't really care. I don't know whether its an act, or a real trait (I suspect that its an act), but I have no time for the whole airhead thing.

Ok well thats your decision I suppose but I would have thought it better to judge them on personality (as individuals not stereotypes) rather than intelligence

Is it wrong for people to assume that just because you have an irrational hatred of a certain group that you want to bang one and she won't let you?
Yes.

Is it equally wrong for you to assume that just because a girl chooses to participate in cheerleading that she is an arrogant, slutty bitch?
Yes.

So I join SD. What makes it okay for you to assume things about cheerleaders, but not okay for other people to assume things about you? Because it hurts you when they do it? Well, talk to any cheerleader and see how she feels about being labled a whore or a bitch just because she enjoys an activity. I think you'd find some common ground.

Once again, it's not because they enjoy cheerleading, it's because of the superior attitude they get from cheerleading that makes them think they can do whatever they want. It pisses me off.

Once again, I only assume because 99% of Cheerleaders WHOM I SEE follow the stereotype. Therefore I'd say that about 99% of Cheerleaders WHOM I SEE follow the stereotype as well. I'm not assuming it about all cheerleaders. Hell, I think there's on cheerleader at my school whom I respect.
Give up. You're fighting a losing battle. They aren't listening to you. After all, people don't listen to your reasons even after they challenge you to explain yourself.

Really - your general attitude suggests otherwise. And why single out cheerleaders? It seems odd that you single out one of the most sexualised high school groups in existance - and a good portion of your points are about such things - like 'They only sate footballers'.

If you don't like them, and don't want to have sex with them then why the hell do you care if they only date footballers?
It's the fact that they only want to date people who are at least somewhat as "superior" than them. It's not because they only date footballers. It's because that superiority complex is proven because they only date people who are, once again, only at least somewhat as "superior" than them. Kind of like Nazis.


Why not rant about footballers, the cool kids, bullies or any other group. You hvae chosen a very sexualised group and your rant at the start which includes a heap of sexual references. I really find it hard to believe you are asexual, it looks a lot more like you just can't get laid.

Once again, the rant about cheerleaders only came to mind because there was a thread about cheerleaders on the front page at the time of thread creation.
Why do you care about ANY of this if you don't want to date them?
Because, even if I'm not constantly asking them out, they still are omnipresent in my school. They still effect my school life. So therefore, I still have to deal with them, their superiority complex, their xenophobic pack animal syndrome, and their... Ok, I'd rather not use the following word lest Dakini join in the "fight" against me.

Give up. You're fighting a losing battle. They aren't listening to you. After all, people don't listen to your reasons even after they challenge you to explain yourself.

Nah, we're not listening because when this turned away from being sexy cheerleader appreciation it got boring again.

It's the fact that they only want to date people who are at least somewhat as "superior" than them. It's not because they only date footballers. It's because that superiority complex is proven because they only date people who are, once again, only at least somewhat as "superior" than them. Kind of like Nazis.


Once again, the rant about cheerleaders only came to mind because there was a thread about cheerleaders on the front page at the time of thread creation.

Because, even if I'm not constantly asking them out, they still are omnipresent in my school. They still effect my school life. So therefore, I still have to deal with them, their superiority complex, their xenophobic pack animal syndrome, and their... Ok, I'd rather not use the following word lest Dakini join in the "fight" against me.

Godwin; fail!

It's the fact that they only want to date people who are at least somewhat as "superior" than them. It's not because they only date footballers. It's because that superiority complex is proven because they only date people who are, once again, only at least somewhat as "superior" than them. Kind of like Nazis.

You hate them because they have standards in who they date?

People who are picky about who they have sex with/make out with are Nazis?

ALL people date people who are as 'superior' as they can get. The measure changes - personality, intelligence, looks, wealth, etc but the premise is the same.

How many people do you know who purposefully date people who fall well below the standard they can get on their chosen scale of attractiveness?

Because, even if I'm not constantly asking them out, they still are omnipresent in my school. They still effect my school life. So therefore, I still have to deal with them, their superiority complex, their xenophobic pack animal syndrome, and their... Ok, I'd rather not use the following word lest Dakini join in the "fight" against me.
How many cheerleaders do you have at your school?

It sounds like they are only really omnipresent in your school experience because you are fascinated by them.

It's the fact that they only want to date people who are at least somewhat as "superior" than them. It's not because they only date footballers. It's because that superiority complex is proven because they only date people who are, once again, only at least somewhat as "superior" than them. Kind of like Nazis.


Well maybe if bitterness becomes an attractive quality you'll be well in with a chance with them

You hate them because they have standards in who they date?

People who are picky about who they have sex with/make out with are Nazis?

ALL people date people who are as 'superior' as they can get. The measure changes - personality, intelligence, looks, wealth, etc but the premise is the same.

How many people do you know who purposefully date people who fall well below the standard they can get on their chosen scale of attractiveness?

That's my point. All cheerleaders only date based on looks (and sometimes wealth.). In my book, that makes them incredibly shallow, and therefore they lose my respect for them.

How many cheerleaders do you have at your school?

It sounds like they are only really omnipresent in your school experience because you are fascinated by them.
Maybe in an attempt to understand them psychologically and sociologically I'm fascinated by them. But not any more than any other person.

Well maybe if bitterness becomes an attractive quality you'll be well in with a chance with them

Listen, asshole. I've said this at least ten times in here now.

I DO NOT WANT TO DATE CHEERLEADERS.

I hate them. There is no way that I would date someone I hate, no matter how attractive they are. (Fuck, I'm asexual, so the attractiveness doesn't matter for shit anyways.) If there is a smart, kind, caring, gentle, intelligent cheerleader, I might. But there's plenty of smart, kind, caring, gentle, intelligent non-cheerleaders, and I don't ask them out anyways. Not sure if shyness is a virtue or a curse...

It's the fact that they only want to date people who are at least somewhat as "superior" than them. It's not because they only date footballers. It's because that superiority complex is proven because they only date people who are, once again, only at least somewhat as "superior" than them. Kind of like Nazis.
1. I thought that footballers was reserved for soccer players, while football players generally denotes people who play american (or canadian) football.
2. Comparing cheerleaders to nazis, classy.
3. Why do you care who they date if you aren't interested in dating anyone?

Ok, I'd rather not use the following word lest Dakini join in the "fight" against me.
You compared teenage girls to nazis because you claim that they ignored you and perhaps spilled their milk on you without apology...

That's my point. All cheerleaders only date based on looks (and sometimes wealth.). In my book, that makes them incredibly shallow, and therefore they lose my respect for them.


Maybe in an attempt to understand them psychologically and sociologically I'm fascinated by them. But not any more than any other person.
Naughty generalisation, naughty.
Listen, asshole. I've said this at least ten times in here now.

I DO NOT WANT TO DATE CHEERLEADERS.

I hate them. There is no way that I would date someone I hate, no matter how attractive they are. (Fuck, I'm asexual, so the attractiveness doesn't matter for shit anyways.) If there is a smart, kind, caring, gentle, intelligent cheerleader, I might. But there's plenty of smart, kind, caring, gentle, intelligent non-cheerleaders, and I don't ask them out anyways. Not sure if shyness is a virtue or a curse...

The anger is strong with this one.

That's my point. All cheerleaders only date based on looks (and sometimes wealth.). In my book, that makes them incredibly shallow, and therefore they lose my respect for them.
How do you know that's their decision making process when it comes to dating? Perhaps they I don't know, like the football players for their personalities? Maybe they like sports, football players like sports, they get along, they spend time together outside of school hours through their extra curricular activities, they actually get to like each other et c. You know, how dating generally goes.

Just because you think a football player is a total **** doesn't mean he actually is and just because you think a girl is dating him because he's rich, good looking and popular doesn't mean that's the case.

Not sure if shyness is a virtue or a curse...
It's an obstacle to be overcome.

Nothing wrong with a hot cheerleader. :p

http://www.nflchina.com/images/avcenter/cheerleader55.jpg

A what now?

O an A is short for Opei and Anthony, a radio duo here in the states which can be streamed live via the internet as well as XM radio. Was just wondering because there's a running joke about the term "Huzzah" for "larping tools."

O an A is short for Opei and Anthony, a radio duo here in the states which can be streamed live via the internet as well as XM radio. Was just wondering because there's a running joke about the term "Huzzah" for "larping tools."

Nope, never heard of them. I stole huzzah from the NBIP.

Nothing wrong with a hot cheerleader. :p

Several things.

She has too much make-up on.
Her clothes cover nothing.
She's too fucking perky.
Her chest is falling out.
Is she even wearing a bra?
Her expression is creepy.
She is so not hot.

Several things.

She has too much make-up on.
Her clothes cover nothing.
She's too fucking perky.
Her chest is falling out.
Is she even wearing a bra?
Her expression is creepy.
She is so not hot.

Those i'll agree with. Especially the creepy expression

Several things.

She has too much make-up on.
Blame the make up artist
Her clothes cover nothing.
Hang on, are you saying this is a bad thing?
She's too fucking perky.
What on earth is "perky" reffering to?
Her chest is falling out.
Again, how is this a bad thing?
Is she even wearing a bra?
See above
Her expression is creepy.
Smiling is creepy?
She is so not hot.
Em, no.

Several things.

She has too much make-up on.
Her clothes cover nothing.
She's too fucking perky.
Her chest is falling out.
Is she even wearing a bra?
Her expression is creepy.
She is so not hot.

I'll give you the make-up and the expression, but the rest are definitely not problems.

Smiling is creepy?


Smiling maniacally is

Smiling maniacally is

Well she's probably over doing it, cos cheerleaders are meant to look over joyed at everything their team does.

Ok, this is what I don't get.. You're slamming the "stereotypical" cheerleaders... Yet, I've been to America tonnes of times (I'm guessing that's where most of these cheerleaders are meant to reside) and even on the last cruise I went on, I met 12 of them.. I've met like 100 of them out and about on my travels.. None, I repeat, NONE were as you say "stereotypical" wearing tight clothing and showing off their bodies and they didn't have a "you're lesser than me" attitude towards me or any of the other girls.. One of them even was making out with this random guy (definitely not a "football" [what a fucking joke that is, it's not football because you don't actually play with your feet] player) from Wales..

Also, in my experience, guys that insult girls like that are infact after them.

Thirdly and finally, that girl.. She can make up her own mind, if she wants to wear make up, tiny shorts and a barely there top.. THAT'S HER CHOICE!!! I thought the idea that we are human is that we have a choice to do what we like. So why slam her? I'm not gonna say she's hot, but she's a pretty girl and if that's what she wants to do.. LET HER BE.. Same applies for all other cheerleaders

That's my point. All cheerleaders only date based on looks (and sometimes wealth.). In my book, that makes them incredibly shallow, and therefore they lose my respect for them.


Seeing as you don't want to date them then why do you care?

Besides - in general women rate looks below: Social status, personality/confidence, wealth and potential.

Well she's probably over doing it, cos cheerleaders are meant to look over joyed at everything their team does.

Like this one. Hell, I'd bang her.

http://www.nflspain.com/fotos/cheerleaders/cardinals-bridgot.jpg

Naughty generalisation, naughty.
Slip of the finger.

MOST cheerleaders date based only on looks and wealth.

How do you know that's their decision making process when it comes to dating? Perhaps they I don't know, like the football players for their personalities? Maybe they like sports, football players like sports, they get along, they spend time together outside of school hours through their extra curricular activities, they actually get to like each other et c. You know, how dating generally goes.

Just because you think a football player is a total **** doesn't mean he actually is and just because you think a girl is dating him because he's rich, good looking and popular doesn't mean that's the case.

So you're saying it's some strange coincidince that 99% of cheerleaders are insane about sports?

Several things.

She has too much make-up on.
Her clothes cover nothing.
She's too fucking perky.
Her chest is falling out.
Is she even wearing a bra?
Her expression is creepy.
She is so not hot.

Agreed.

Slip of the finger.

MOST cheerleaders date based only on looks and wealth.

What should they date based on?

(remember - you are ignoring two of the most attractive qualities to women - confidence and social status)

Personality? - They still would not tough you if this thread is anything to go by.

I'm getting the distinct taste of a whole lot of jealousy in this thread.

Ok, this is what I don't get.. You're slamming the "stereotypical" cheerleaders... Yet, I've been to America tonnes of times (I'm guessing that's where most of these cheerleaders are meant to reside) and even on the last cruise I went on, I met 12 of them.. I've met like 100 of them out and about on my travels.. None, I repeat, NONE were as you say "stereotypical" wearing tight clothing and showing off their bodies and they didn't have a "you're lesser than me" attitude towards me or any of the other girls.. One of them even was making out with this random guy (definitely not a "football" [what a fucking joke that is, it's not football because you don't actually play with your feet] player) from Wales..

Also, in my experience, guys that insult girls like that are infact after them.

Thirdly and finally, that girl.. She can make up her own mind, if she wants to wear make up, tiny shorts and a barely there top.. THAT'S HER CHOICE!!! I thought the idea that we are human is that we have a choice to do what we like. So why slam her? I'm not gonna say she's hot, but she's a pretty girl and if that's what she wants to do.. LET HER BE.. Same applies for all other cheerleaders

So with that post you're agreeing with me that cheerleaders enjoy showing off their sexuality, no matter how *bleep*y that is? Even if it involves kissing a random guy?

Yes. It is her choice to be a *bleep*. And that's why I hate her.

So with that post you're agreeing with me that cheerleaders enjoy showing off their sexuality, no matter how *bleep*y that is? Even if it involves kissing a random guy?

Yes. It is her choice to be a *bleep*. And that's why I hate her.

Again...hmmm...*smacks lips*...I'm detecting the not-so-subtle taste of jealousy...

So with that post you're agreeing with me that cheerleaders enjoy showing off their sexuality, no matter how *bleep*y that is? Even if it involves kissing a random guy?

Yes. It is her choice to be a *bleep*. And that's why I hate her.

I think by random it was meant that she didnt base her choice of man on a certain stereotype

Obsessing over something you supposedly hate is worse than obsessing over something you like.

Oh it happens I'm sure, it's just very rare. Not sure how rare, I could google it, but frankly I'm far too disinterested.

Not that rare. We even have our own club-thingy.
http://www.asexuality.org/

So with that post you're agreeing with me that cheerleaders enjoy showing off their sexuality, no matter how *bleep*y that is? Even if it involves kissing a random guy?

Yes. It is her choice to be a *bleep*. And that's why I hate her.
(my bold)
what is bleep? whore? bitch? slag?

If you're gonna say this shit then at least have the guts to us the word you're after!

Why do you hate them for showing off their sexuality if you are asexual?

Why have we gone from plural to singular? Is there someone sp[ecific you have in mind here?

What should they date based on?

(remember - you are ignoring two of the most attractive qualities to women - confidence and social status)

Personality? - They still would not tough you if this thread is anything to go by.

Ok, so I don't have confidence. I never have. But I see plenty of emos faking no confidence and yet they get S.O.'s all the time. And do you know why I have no social status? Sure, it's partly my fault. But some of it is also others putting me down, not letting me rise above my nerd/geekdom, just for the sake of not wanting me among them.

So you're saying it's some strange coincidince that 99% of cheerleaders are insane about sports?
It's not just sports they could have in common. Perhaps they bond over the fact that they like the same music, or because they just happen to run in the same social circles (people tend to date like that... I'm majoring in astrophysics, the last three guys I've dated have been in physics of some sort, either as undergrads or graduate students, it's not that I refuse to date history students, it's just that I tend to have more in common with people who choose the same sorts of academic path to follow)

At any rate, both groups (cheerleaders and football players) would obviously have some sort of school spirit, they both at least enjoy the sport (at the very least a cheerleader will be able to sit through a game and enjoy it) and both groups will wind up spending time in the same place for hours after school, so there are ample socializing opportunities. Not to mention the fact that they could be genuinely good, likeable people.

I love how you ignored everything in my post except the sports as a common ground by the way.

Ok, so I don't have confidence. I never have. But I see plenty of emos faking no confidence and yet they get S.O.'s all the time. And do you know why I have no social status? Sure, it's partly my fault. But some of it is also others putting me down, not letting me rise above my nerd/geekdom, just for the sake of not wanting me among them.

Whats an S.O?

what is bleep? whore? bitch? slag?

If you're gonna say this shit then at least have the guts to us the word you're after!

Why do you hate them for showing off their sexuality if you are asexual?

Why have we gone from plural to singular? Is there someone sp[ecific you have in mind here?

Slut.

Shit. Now Dakini is going to come running after me with a giant cartoon-hammer. Good job.

And I hate them for showing off their sexuality because I consider it an attempt to get boyfriends only because of their looks. Anybody who does that I hate.

I was responding to the noob's post about a singular cheerleader. If there is one cheerleader, I can only say something about that one cheerleader. But it's mostly true for most cheerleaders, as well.

Seeing as you don't want to date them then why do you care?

Besides - in general women rate looks below: Social status, personality/confidence, wealth and potential.
I wouldn't put social status or wealth that high up.

And I'd include sense of humour and intelligence (but those could fall under potential I suppose)

Whats an S.O?

Significant other.

And I hate them for showing off their sexuality because I consider it an attempt to get boyfriends only because of their looks. Anybody who does that I hate.


Your opinion I guess but I dont see what the problem is with someone wanting to look good. If they dont have a good personality to back up their looks then a relationship wont last long

Ok, so I don't have confidence. I never have. But I see plenty of emos faking no confidence and yet they get S.O.'s all the time. And do you know why I have no social status? Sure, it's partly my fault. But some of it is also others putting me down, not letting me rise above my nerd/geekdom, just for the sake of not wanting me among them.
If your'e asexual, why do you care so much about getting a significant other?

And I hate them for showing off their sexuality because I consider it an attempt to get boyfriends only because of their looks. Anybody who does that I hate.


Cuz you can't do that, I presume. Get over it.

Ok, so I don't have confidence. I never have. But I see plenty of emos faking no confidence and yet they get S.O.'s all the time. And do you know why I have no social status? Sure, it's partly my fault. But some of it is also others putting me down, not letting me rise above my nerd/geekdom, just for the sake of not wanting me among them.

I was not actually saying you don't have confidence or social status. I was just saying those are MUCH more attractive to women than looks.

To most women Confidence, Social Status & Personality, Wealth & Potential >> Looks

For advice - I would say work on your confidence - your social status will improve. As well as your life in general. I am not saying this as a guide on how to get women, but as general advice for life. If you can build confidence then you will be much happier.

Try take up a sport - generally a good way to boost confidence.

This is all getting very confrontational. Let's just enjoy another pic of a hot cheerleader instead, 'k?

http://cdn.compuserve.com/gallery/i/n/nfl_cheer07/53454485.jpg

I'm sorry, I can't help laughing at this thread and the fact that it's still alive. So there are some cheerleaders at your school who you think fit a stereotype (not even sure about that, as I'm willing to bet you haven't spent enough time with any of them to really get to know them). Shocking. Now quit bashing cheerleaders just because they don't fit into your idea of how everyone in the world should be, and get over it.

Your opinion I guess but I dont see what the problem is with someone wanting to look good. If they dont have a good personality to back up their looks then a relationship wont last long

But they do, my good man, but they do.

Stupid multi quote thingy. I'll try this again in a sec.

Try take up a sport - generally a good way to boost confidence.

Don't you NEED confidence to be good in a sport anyways?

But they do, my good man, but they do.

They do have good personalities or they do last long?

Slut.
Yes, making out with someone is being a slut, how silly of them. Stupid whore might go out and get a cold sore now and it would serve her right, huh? (you were calling the girl making out with some guy a slut, right?)

And I hate them for showing off their sexuality because I consider it an attempt to get boyfriends only because of their looks. Anybody who does that I hate.
Oh yes, everything we women do is to get boyfriends. Our heads are just so void of thought that the only way we can be of any use is if we have a man at our sides and we're all so painfully aware of this fact that our sole existence is concentrated on getting one. That's exactly it. How silly of me to think that I was an actual person who might feel like wearing a skirt or acting like the sexual being I am. I guess I shouldn't have unshackled myself from the stove, huh?

Don't you NEED confidence to be good in a sport anyways?

You need it yeah to be really good but you can build it up over time

They do have good personalities or they do last long?

They last long.

And off to school I go!

Save me.

They last long.

And off to school I go!

Save me.

Maybe they last long because the other was true also

Dude, I'm sensing some seriously pent up nerd rage. Get over your raging boner and maybe you would see that the reason you aren't popular is because you're a dick, not that the people who are popular are mean to you. You probly fucked it all up on your own by having this type of attitude. Its the attitude of a loser, and that's what you are in the eyes of most people. That is why, if anything, the girls actually treat you like shit. And no, there are no cheerleaders like that. That wouldn't be the stereotypical cheerleader. a stereotypical cheerleader is a girl who is good looking, not exactly smart, extremely popular, lively personality, and somewhat slutty. and you can find many girls with only the positives of those traits. I would like to say as a football player that you despise, I have enjoyed cheerleaders liking me. But, I doubt it was just because of the sport I played. In fact, most cheerleaders didn't date football players at my school. They dated who they saw as successful and powerful(the guys at top of the social structure at school), and the only reason the were more apt to date a football player is because we actually have some confidence in ourselves and we also spend a fair amount of time after school so we can bond like Dakini said.

Don't you NEED confidence to be good in a sport anyways?

No. Not to start with.

Trust me on this one - taking up a sport will help you build confidence.

Gah, crappy safari! Won't multi quote. Wll suffice it to say yay for hot cheerleaders, NN being asexual disqualifies you from talking about how hot someone is/is not, and why do you care if who is going out with who and why?

Yeah, I hate cheerleaders...

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Cheerleaders/2004/herlocker_2004.jpg

NOT! :p

And I hate them for showing off their sexuality because I consider it an attempt to get boyfriends only because of their looks. Anybody who does that I hate.
What exactly is it they do to show off their sexuality, hm? Wear makeup? Miniskirts? Tight jeans?

Beyond that, even if they are showing off their sexuality, what's the big deal? And why would you assume that the only reason a girl would do so is to get a boyfriend? That's ridiculous. Heaven forbid we lowly females do anything that you consider wrong. I'll just go pull out my high-necked, floor length dress that covers me from head to toe. Oh, wait, I don't have one because we're not living in the middle ages. :rolleyes:

What exactly is it they do to show off their sexuality, hm? Wear makeup? Miniskirts? Tight jeans?

Beyond that, even if they are showing off their sexuality, what's the big deal? And why would you assume that the only reason a girl would do so is to get a boyfriend? That's ridiculous. Heaven forbid we lowly females do anything that you consider wrong. I'll just go pull out my high-necked, floor length dress that covers me from head to toe. Oh, wait, I don't have one because we're not living in the middle ages. :rolleyes:


Thankfully! Now, show us some skin, girl! :D

I wouldn't put social status or wealth that high up.

And I'd include sense of humour and intelligence (but those could fall under potential I suppose)

When you include everything it gets complex.

But I'd put humor under personality, intelligence under potential with a sideline into personality.

Wealth I would rank high - but it does depend on the girl, the guy, the level of wealth and how everything else fares. For extremes see Hugh Heffner and Anna Nicoles Smiths husband. For lesser examples - a nice car/motorbike makes a good impression. If you can wisk a girl away for a weekend on a yaught then she'll prolly be impressed. A rolex will often impress more than a casio. Buying her diamond earrings will often impress more than costume jewellery. I don't see anything wrong with this - I don't think it reflects badly on men or women. (as an aside - I'm not impoverished but I'm definately not wealthy - I don't benefit as much from this).

Social status is very closely tied to confidence and personality - but it is attractive in itself. Men with a high social status will by default have a certain level of power from that status, which is attractive..

Note - I DO NOT view any of this as bad things. I don't see anything wrong with going after just looks, or money or any other factor. And everyone is different in what they go for and how they rate each aspect, though often people go after combinations - or the whole package.

Wealth I would rank high - but it does depend on the girl, the guy, the level of wealth and how everything else fares. For extremes see Hugh Heffner and Anna Nicoles Smiths husband. For lesser examples - a nice car/motorbike makes a good impression. If you can wisk a girl away for a weekend on a yaught then she'll prolly be impressed. A rolex will often impress more than a casio. Buying her diamond earrings will often impress more than costume jewellery. I don't see anything wrong with this - I don't think it reflects badly on men or women. (as an aside - I'm not impoverished but I'm definately not wealthy - I don't benefit as much from this).
Well, maybe it's because I'm a poor university student, but I get really uncomfortable when people buy me things that are remotely expensive. I had a guy buy me a really expensive necklace once and I felt obliged to wear it and I felt guilty for accepting it. I would prefer costume jewlery that is at least fun and maybe has some personality to it (like if someone got me some cute starry earrings or something). And being whisked away somewhere exotic isn't so exciting when you've got a pile of assignments to complete either I suppose.

Okay from what i've read so far...this just sounds like this dude has some serious issues with the way cheerleaders live their lives. It's his own opinion to which he thinks that their "sluts" and "douche bags" opinion comes from own experience and the way that he was brought up. Sure everyone is gonna think he's an asshole because well, no one really likes to be called those things. I can take the same point from him and feel some empathy towards his point, just for the simple fact that im the same way with my gf. I don't believe that she should have her tongue pierced or that she shouldnt have a tattoo, just for the simple fact that its not feminine. I like feminity and if she changes that fact, I will unfortunately won't look at her in the same light.. it's all about how you were raised and what you've learned in your life experiences. He most obviously is ranting on about how he thinks they suck and that their stupid. Of course I agree to the fact that, yes, he should be posting this in some sort of blog, but on the other hand I think he just posted this here, for the reason that he knew it would be replied on, or just to seek some kind of attention. Everyone has portrayed a valid point, but he is just as right as all of you are. Sure lots of people are going to disagree with him, more women than men I believe, but his point is valid just as much as everyone elses points. I believe this debate has run on too long and I think it should have ended pages ago. So conclude it soon, because all points have been made, the issue is over due, and everyone should move on with their lives because this is going nowhere but mere scrutiny. :eek: As for my views on cheerleaders, I wouldn't know because my highschool does not have cheerleaders, and i wouldnt talk to them in my own opinion.:rolleyes:

Thankfully!
I know, really. I rather enjoy not being told what my place is and being able to wear short skirts and such.

Now, show us some skin, girl! :D
I don't think that would be workplace appropriate. :p

Well, maybe it's because I'm a poor university student, but I get really uncomfortable when people buy me things that are remotely expensive. I had a guy buy me a really expensive necklace once and I felt obliged to wear it and I felt guilty for accepting it. I would prefer costume jewlery that is at least fun and maybe has some personality to it (like if someone got me some cute starry earrings or something). And being whisked away somewhere exotic isn't so exciting when you've got a pile of assignments to complete either I suppose.
As I said - everyone is different.

Even those who base things purely on physical appearances have differences - look at paintings of 500 years ago and pictures of women today - there's a big difference in percieved physical beauty!

But back to wealth: A guy picks you up for a date - which would make a better impression - a new Porsche or a 10year old Skoda?

(assuming you don't have environmental hangups etc..)

I don't think that would be workplace appropriate. :p

But it would be NSG appropriate, especially as far as I'm concerned. ;)

I know, really. I rather enjoy not being told what my place is and being able to wear short skirts and such.


I don't think that would be workplace appropriate. :p

Don't worry, none of us are working ;)

But it would be NSG appropriate, especially as far as I'm concerned. ;)
Perhaps. The most skin I'm likely to ever show NSG has already been posted in the pics thread though. :p I don't usually post anything more revealing than those, for various reasons.

Don't worry, none of us are working ;)
:eek: I'm working! ;)

I know, really. I rather enjoy not being told what my place is and being able to wear short skirts and such.


I don't think that would be workplace appropriate. :p


When you post a pic -- and you must -- can you post one of you in an outfit like this one?

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/731/stacy17vi.jpg

If your'e asexual, why do you care so much about getting a significant other?
Being asexual doesn't stop one from having a relationship.

I could care less about having sex and my boyfriend is a horny bastard. Ah, the delicate balance of nature.

When you post a pic -- and you must -- can you post one of you in an outfit like this one?

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/731/stacy17vi.jpg

:eek:

Lol, lucky for me I don't own anything that looks like that. :p

Perhaps. The most skin I'm likely to ever show NSG has already been posted in the pics thread though. :p I don't usually post anything more revealing than those, for various reasons.


:eek: I'm working! ;)

Clearly you're not, NSG is incompatible witth work. And since you're not working then there's no problem.

:eek:

Lol, lucky for me I don't own anything that looks like that. :p
You should.

:eek:

Lol, lucky for me I don't own anything that looks like that. :p

Got anything close then? ;)

We don't have many cheerleaders over here in the UK, but if we did most people would ridicule them enormously.

Well, I know I would!

Also, how is cheerleading 'female supremacy'?

We don't have many cheerleaders over here in the UK, but if we did most people would ridicule them enormously.

Well, I know I would!
But why?

Also, how is cheerleading 'female supremacy'?

It's not....:confused:

Here's a real hot and sexy cheerleader!

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/webpics/george_w_bush.jpg

Lol, sorry. Someone had to do it. :p

Here's a real hot and sexy cheerleader!

<snip>

Lol, sorry. Someone had to do it. :p

Boo, bad TPE.

The word on the street is it's your birfday today....yes?

Clearly you're not, NSG is incompatible witth work. And since you're not working then there's no problem.
I can multitask.

You should.
Nah, I wouldn't fill out a top like that nearly as well as she does. My boobs aren't big enough. :p

Got anything close then? ;)
Hmm... no, I don't think so. I have some tops with plunging necklines, but not quite THAT plunging.

I can multitask.
Impressive, so you could post a pic without getting distraced from work?


Nah, I wouldn't fill out a top like that nearly as well as she does. My boobs aren't big enough. :p
You could just get a smaller top you know, one you could fill out.


Hmm... no, I don't think so. I have some tops with plunging necklines, but not quite THAT plunging.

Those would do ;)

Nah, I wouldn't fill out a top like that nearly as well as she does. My boobs aren't big enough. :p

More than a mouthfuls a waste, as they say, anyway. ;)

Hmm... no, I don't think so. I have some tops with plunging necklines, but not quite THAT plunging.

We'll take as plunging as you've got. :)

In the meantime, though...

http://static.flickr.com/34/92639151_99e7435f3b.jpg

That's my point. All cheerleaders only date based on looks (and sometimes wealth.). In my book, that makes them incredibly shallow, and therefore they lose my respect for them.Ever think that looks might have nothing to do with personality? A person can be good looking, intelligent, witty, and interesting. Just because football players and cheerleaders date (which, oddly, isn't what the majority do) doesn't mean both are dolts.


And I hate them for showing off their sexuality because I consider it an attempt to get boyfriends only because of their looks. Anybody who does that I hate.Perhaps, just maybe, it isn't what you consider it to be?

You still never answered (atleast not to a decent level) why it is okay for you to stereotype and generalize, when it is bad for people to do the same to you. I'll assume that means you don't have a reason. If you do have a reason, it is bullshit rationalization. So your call...either be an asshole and own up to it, or be an asshole who tries to pretend he isn't. But my point lies in the words that are shared by both cases.

Boo, bad TPE.

The word on the street is it's your birthday today....yes?
Yep.

Yep.

Huzzah! Happy birthday! :fluffle:
There's a birthday thread for you on PB too

Huzzah! Happy birthday! :fluffle:
There's a birthday thread for you on PB too
Lol, thanks :fluffle:

Yep.
Happy birthday! :)

Happy birthday! :)
Thanks :)

This thread needs more pics of cheerleaders.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/EKENIPAGPOAN/janipher-06.jpg

Impressive, so you could post a pic without getting distraced from work?
I am capable of doing that, yes. Of course, the only pics I have to post just now are the ones I already put in the "show us what you look like" (or whatever it's called) thread.

You could just get a smaller top you know, one you could fill out.
I could. Still not likely to post pics of it though.

Those would do ;)
Lol, I don't have any pics of me in any of those tops that I would post on NSG. Sorry to disappoint. :p

More than a mouthfuls a waste, as they say, anyway. ;)
Meh, I wouldn't want boobs that big anyway. Wouldn't be proportional.

Meh, I wouldn't want boobs that big anyway. Wouldn't be proportional.

Petite women rule. :D

well unfortunately being a "cheerleader" myself i cannot say that all of this is true.
1. most ppl think of me as emo.
2. Im hardly ever happy i just play it off at the football games
3. I have only dated one football player for 3 days
4. No one can be that self concided or happy they must be totally bluffing
I must also add that cheerleading is considered to be a sport it has been tested that cheerleaders do as much or more work and endurance than other sports... if that answers your question this is NO this is not a normal cheerleader... Way back when girls were protesting that schools needed girl sports to cut funds they added cheerleading calling it a sport instead of an activity. ever seince they have made fun of cheerleaders s:eek: steriotyping them.

Wow, with that post, you just killed the arguments anyone made to defend cheerleaders.

all I can say is this guy needs a hug.

:fluffle:

Seriously though, I know how it can get once you get walled into a situation like this. Looking at what goes on just in this thread, it's easy to see how these perceptions perpetuate themselves. You try to deal with people with misconceptions about them, they can tell what you think of them, which sparks angry responses, which just reinforces the same misconceptions.

Shyness is definitely a factor here, in that it takes a lot of courage to just go up to people and start a conversation (which is what it takes generally), and to be shot down so just reinforces the problem.

Finally, maybe the thing needed here most is to tell this guy what he should be doing, instead of denouncing everything he is doing now. And I'm not talking about "well duh show some respect/kindness/whatever" responses that I'm sure will ensue. I mean specifics.. better ways to deal with these situations. Sometimes, people just never learn how to act towards other people, and need to be told a couple things.

Again, they are hella fun to bang! Why can't you just bang them with hatred? Here we call it angry fucking or hate fucking. Is that so bad? On a serious note, many cheerleaders are not as you describe and can be quite kind and articulate. Lumping them into a group of heartless holes just makes them more like my stereotyping of the OP as a waning loser who cries because people aren't nice to him. Hell, if you're confident in yourself why would you give a flying fuck what some pretencious broad thinks about you. If you think you're such a swell guy them you can ignore when the smoking hot cheerleader has her boyfriend tie you to a tree and smother you with honey so the bears can make "friends" with you. Seriously, you just sound like a whining little emo tool who doesn't have the confidence to like themselves more than they feel others despise them. If you don't want to be bothered with the cheerleader than just don't bother and live your life. Don't come crying on NSG expecting everyone to feel bad for you because some pretty girl wasn't nice to you. It just makes us think you're a whining emo flamer. Whoops, said that already. Bush up little fellow, I'm sure your Mommy thinks you're cute as the dickens. :fluffle: :p

well unfortunately being a "cheerleader" myself i cannot say that all of this is true.
1. most ppl think of me as emo.
2. Im hardly ever happy i just play it off at the football games
3. I have only dated one football player for 3 days
4. No one can be that self concided or happy they must be totally bluffing
i love the colourful reply. i really hope those 3 days were a great 3 days.
i agree on point 4 though. everything i need to know about cheerleaders i learned from Bring It On (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJI37ClYIvE). cheerleaders are secretly ironic.

i'm sure that video's already been posted, but there you go.

Well, unfortunately, it seems that where I come from women have a tendency to have more rights then men because of "affirmative action". They get better jobs, because they are needed to fill the "quota". They are allowed to step ahead of men in line for voting, because they are needed to fill the "quota". It's annoying.

Um...what planet do you live on?

Quotas don't keep men out of jobs, they're in place to try to counteract prejudices that would keep US out of jobs, entirely.

Between this and your OP, I have to conclude that you live in an alternate dimension. And you're asexual? Please. Shoot yourself now.

Um...what planet do you live on?

Quotas don't keep men out of jobs, they're in place to try to counteract prejudices that would keep US out of jobs, entirely.

Between this and your OP, I have to conclude that you live in an alternate dimension. And you're asexual? Please. Shoot yourself now.
why would Naliitr shoot Naliitr's self? What does that have to do with asexuality and alternate dimensions? :confused:

Naughty generalisation, naughty.


The anger is strong with this one.

He is lying. That is why. :D

To The OP:

If you don't want to sound like you are lying, CALM DOWN. Getting angry only arouses suspicion.

Yes, making out with someone is being a slut, how silly of them. Stupid whore might go out and get a cold sore now and it would serve her right, huh? (you were calling the girl making out with some guy a slut, right?)
It's the fact that it was with some random guy she probably didn't know.

Oh yes, everything we women do is to get boyfriends. Our heads are just so void of thought that the only way we can be of any use is if we have a man at our sides and we're all so painfully aware of this fact that our sole existence is concentrated on getting one. That's exactly it. How silly of me to think that I was an actual person who might feel like wearing a skirt or acting like the sexual being I am. I guess I shouldn't have unshackled myself from the stove, huh?

God damnit. See what I meant? Giant cartoon hammer...

DAKINI! LISTEN UP!

I am not, I repeat NOT demeaning all women in anyway shape or form. I am simply demeaning those use their looks and sexuality to get what they want. It just so happens most cheerleaders, who are mostly women, have a tendency to do that a lot.

What exactly is it they do to show off their sexuality, hm? Wear makeup? Miniskirts? Tight jeans?
Umm... No shit?

Beyond that, even if they are showing off their sexuality, what's the big deal? And why would you assume that the only reason a girl would do so is to get a boyfriend? That's ridiculous. Heaven forbid we lowly females do anything that you consider wrong. I'll just go pull out my high-necked, floor length dress that covers me from head to toe. Oh, wait, I don't have one because we're not living in the middle ages. :rolleyes:

Listen. I'm saying that people who wear clothing that rises up to less than a few inches below their genitalia shamelessly, and those who wear other incredibly small garments of clothing in order to show off their bodies are, well, the S word, which I dare not mutter lest great Dakini descend on me, again.

I don't care if you wear small garments, as long as it isn't to show off your body.

Dude, I'm sensing some seriously pent up nerd rage. Get over your raging boner and maybe you would see that the reason you aren't popular is because you're a dick, not that the people who are popular are mean to you. You probly fucked it all up on your own by having this type of attitude. Its the attitude of a loser, and that's what you are in the eyes of most people. That is why, if anything, the girls actually treat you like shit. And no, there are no cheerleaders like that. That wouldn't be the stereotypical cheerleader. a stereotypical cheerleader is a girl who is good looking, not exactly smart, extremely popular, lively personality, and somewhat slutty. and you can find many girls with only the positives of those traits. I would like to say as a football player that you despise, I have enjoyed cheerleaders liking me. But, I doubt it was just because of the sport I played. In fact, most cheerleaders didn't date football players at my school. They dated who they saw as successful and powerful(the guys at top of the social structure at school), and the only reason the were more apt to date a football player is because we actually have some confidence in ourselves and we also spend a fair amount of time after school so we can bond like Dakini said.

.......

I'm not even going to say anything about that one.

Being asexual doesn't stop one from having a relationship.

I could care less about having sex and my boyfriend is a horny bastard. Ah, the delicate balance of nature.

'Bout time someone non-asexual cleared that up...

Chandelier and I come under so much scrutiny because we seek emotional relationships, but everyone percieves that as wanting a physical relationship as well.

You still never answered (atleast not to a decent level) why it is okay for you to stereotype and generalize, when it is bad for people to do the same to you. I'll assume that means you don't have a reason. If you do have a reason, it is bullshit rationalization. So your call...either be an asshole and own up to it, or be an asshole who tries to pretend he isn't. But my point lies in the words that are shared by both cases.

Ok, here's the thing. I assume things about people because of my REAL LIFE contact with them. As in I have to sit with them in class. As in I have to deal with their bullshit.

All you guys know about me is what you read on here. If you want some better information on me, ask United Chicken Kleptos when he gets back from the JSA convention.

Also, how is cheerleading 'female supremacy'?

What the fuck? When did I say that?

Cheerleaders get me all hot and bothered. That's why I always keep some GHB with me when I prowl the local high schools.

I am not, I repeat NOT demeaning all women in anyway shape or form. I am simply demeaning those use their looks and sexuality to get what they want. It just so happens most cheerleaders, who are mostly women, have a tendency to do that a lot.
Okay, suppose these girls are looking for boyfriends. What is it you propose they do to "catch," so to speak, the men they're interested in? Pat them on the head and read them bedtime stories? I'm not saying that sexuality is the only thing that appeals to men, or that it's the only thing that should be used to attract a potential SO. But it is part and parcel of it, particularly at the high school age.

Meanwhile, please stop talking about all cheerleaders as though the ones at your school are representative of all chearleaders everywhere.

Also, I'm not sure if this has been asked in the thread already, but I'm asking now: how much time have you actually spent getting to know the cheerleaders at your school?

Again, they are hella fun to bang! Why can't you just bang them with hatred? Here we call it angry fucking or hate fucking. Is that so bad? On a serious note, many cheerleaders are not as you describe and can be quite kind and articulate. Lumping them into a group of heartless holes just makes them more like my stereotyping of the OP as a waning loser who cries because people aren't nice to him. Hell, if you're confident in yourself why would you give a flying fuck what some pretencious broad thinks about you. If you think you're such a swell guy them you can ignore when the smoking hot cheerleader has her boyfriend tie you to a tree and smother you with honey so the bears can make "friends" with you. Seriously, you just sound like a whining little emo tool who doesn't have the confidence to like themselves more than they feel others despise them. If you don't want to be bothered with the cheerleader than just don't bother and live your life. Don't come crying on NSG expecting everyone to feel bad for you because some pretty girl wasn't nice to you. It just makes us think you're a whining emo flamer. Whoops, said that already. Bush up little fellow, I'm sure your Mommy thinks you're cute as the dickens. :fluffle: :p

Good thing I brought my flame retardant suit!

Ok, you may be a lurker. I don't know. But guess what? This isn't my first incarnation. I've been on here since... About, I'd say, sometime around mid 2005. That means I probably have more experience than you on NSG. So don't go telling me what's up and down on NSG. I see people come on here all the time complaining about things like this. So why is it that I alone am not allowed to complain?

Oh, by the way, I'm asexual. I don't "fuck" or "bang".

Sorry, I couldn't read any of the other parts of your post. :)

Okay, suppose these girls are looking for boyfriends. What is it you propose they do to "catch," so to speak, the men they're interested in? Pat them on the head and read them bedtime stories? I'm not saying that sexuality is the only thing that appeals to men, or that it's the only thing that should be used to attract a potential SO. But it is part and parcel of it, particularly at the high school age.

Meanwhile, please stop talking about all cheerleaders as though the ones at your school are representative of all chearleaders everywhere.

Also, I'm not sure if this has been asked in the thread already, but I'm asking now: how much time have you actually spent getting to know the cheerleaders at your school?

Why do you think I hate most people at my High School? Cheerleaders just use sexuality a lot more than the average Joe (Or Jane).

Well, as far as I can tell from watching football games, they seem to be a good representation of cheerleaders.

I have to sit with them in my classes. That throughly sucks. I get to know them more than I ever wanted. It is a good way to get information though. I could sell some of it...

Um...what planet do you live on?

Quotas don't keep men out of jobs, they're in place to try to counteract prejudices that would keep US out of jobs, entirely.

Between this and your OP, I have to conclude that you live in an alternate dimension. And you're asexual? Please. Shoot yourself now.

They have kept my dad, brother and step-dad out of jobs. And it let my mom get into a job that she didn't deserve. They don't keep prejudices out, they bring more in. Fucking affirmative action...

Oh, so being asexual is a bad thing now? Great. First the homosexuals were getting ragged on. Now being asexuals are getting ragged on.

Accept my sexuality or fuck off.

If you don't want to sound like you are lying, CALM DOWN. Getting angry only arouses suspicion.

But... Everyone gets angry on NSG. It's impossible NOT to get angry on NSG!

But... Everyone gets angry on NSG. It's impossible NOT to get angry on NSG!
for once i am going to agree with you...

But... Everyone gets angry on NSG. It's impossible NOT to get angry on NSG!
I am SO sigging that! :cool:

Umm... No shit?
Okay. I do all of those things: I wear makeup (not much of it, admittedly, but still), short skirts and tight jeans. I fail to see how any of those things is an automatic reflection on what kind of person I am.

Listen. I'm saying that people who wear clothing that rises up to less than a few inches below their genitalia shamelessly, and those who wear other incredibly small garments of clothing in order to show off their bodies are, well, the S word, which I dare not mutter lest great Dakini descend on me, again.

I don't care if you wear small garments, as long as it isn't to show off your body.
Don't fool yourself. Dakini's an intelligent woman, I'm pretty sure she can figure out what you mean when you write "the S word."

I still don't see what exactly is so shameful about wearing short skirts or other revealing clothing. I like my body, and yes I wear short skirts shamelessly - mostly because I don't feel that there's anything to be ashamed about when I wear them. They're cute, my boyfriend likes me in them, and they're one hell of a lot more comfy in the summer than a lot of other things I could choose to wear.

Why do you care if someone wears a "small garment" to show off their body?That's their choice, and has nothing to do with you.

Okay. I do all of those things: I wear makeup (not much of it, admittedly, but still), short skirts and tight jeans. I fail to see how any of those things is an automatic reflection on what kind of person I am.


But it shows you like to attract people based on your looks.

Don't fool yourself. Dakini's an intelligent woman, I'm pretty sure she can figure out what you mean when you write "the S word."

I know, but she hits me whenever I say the full word.

I still don't see what exactly is so shameful about wearing short skirts or other revealing clothing. I like my body, and yes I wear short skirts shamelessly - mostly because I don't feel that there's anything to be ashamed about when I wear them. They're cute, my boyfriend likes me in them, and they're one hell of a lot more comfy in the summer than a lot of other things I could choose to wear.

Ok, so you like your body. Do you like people looking at it, being attracted to it, thinking dirty thoughts about it? I can understand the first two, but I can't understand the third WHEN IT IS RAINING AND 50* OUTSIDE! I do see that all the time... Either way, you still wear things which shamelessly show off your body.

Why do you care if someone wears a "small garment" to show off their body? That's their choice, and has nothing to do with you.

True. But a lot of people definetly fight things which have nothing to do with them. People fight abortion, even though it may have nothing to do with them. People are fighting for the President to send troops to Sudan, even though that conflict has nothing to do with them.

Why do you think I hate most people at my High School? Cheerleaders just use sexuality a lot more than the average Joe (Or Jane).
:confused: What? When did I say anything about you hating everyone at your high school?

Well, as far as I can tell from watching football games, they seem to be a good representation of cheerleaders.
What, you mean football games on TV? So you think the cheerleaders at your school are physically similar to other cheerleaders? Okay, but that still doesn't mean that cheerleaders all have personalities like the ones at your high school.

I have to sit with them in my classes. That throughly sucks. I get to know them more than I ever wanted. It is a good way to get information though. I could sell some of it...
I'm still not clear as to how well you actually know them.

But... Everyone gets angry on NSG. It's impossible NOT to get angry on NSG!

I don't*:cool:

*much

:confused: What? When did I say anything about you hating everyone at your high school?

You said that people had a tendency to use primarily, sometimes only physical attraction to get relationships at a High School age. So I said that's why I hate most of the people at my High School, and cheerleaders more for it because they do it a hell of a lot more.

I'm still not clear as to how well you actually know them.

I sit with them in my classes. They have a tendency to talk a lot. I have a tendency to over hear things without thinking about it. Put two and two together.

It's the fact that it was with some random guy she probably didn't know.I've done that. I meet a girl at a party, we get along well, we make out. What is the big deal? It is a kiss. Hell, even if we have a one night stand...its sex. Sex is not intrinsically linked with emotion. I fail to see how someones choices matter so much to anyone beyond themselves and their partner.


Umm... No shit?

Listen. I'm saying that people who wear clothing that rises up to less than a few inches below their genitalia shamelessly, and those who wear other incredibly small garments of clothing in order to show off their bodies are, well, the S word, which I dare not mutter lest great Dakini descend on me, again.

I don't care if you wear small garments, as long as it isn't to show off your body.So dressing to make yourself look good is bad? Sorry, I've worked hard for my body. Do I always dress to impress? No, of course not. Do I know what I can wear that makes me look hot? Yes. Does it make me a slut for dressing to show off the fact that I have a pretty good body?

Dressing to show yourself off is no different than coming on NS to demonstrate your intelligence. It is something you're proud of, so why the hell not show it?

Ok, here's the thing. I assume things about people because of my REAL LIFE contact with them. As in I have to sit with them in class. As in I have to deal with their bullshit. that STILL doesn't answer the question. You know what it feels like to be treated like shit by people who don't know you, yes?
So what makes it okay for you to do that to someone else? Because they were mean to you? Grow some skin and deal with it. If they don't matter, then their insults and jabs don't either. Shrug them off and move on. But don't treat an entire group like shit just because they cheerlead. You don't seem to like it much when people make assumptions about asexuals.

All you guys know about me is what you read on here. If you want some better information on me, ask United Chicken Kleptos when he gets back from the JSA convention.Well guess what? I had a shit time in high school too. I was exactly like you in far too many ways untill I grew the fuck up and realized that I am not here to be friends with a group of people because I should be, or hate a group of people because that is what my role says. I went from being one of the biggest outcasts in my class to one of the most well known people with a link to everyone. Were there people I hated? Yes. Did I have good reason? Yes. Some people just suck. However, that didn't mean I couldn't be friends with their friends or participate in the same activities as them.

In the long run, you end up feeling like shit because you feed into the cycle. No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.

I've done that. I meet a girl at a party, we get along well, we make out. What is the big deal? It is a kiss. Hell, even if we have a one night stand...its sex. Sex is not intrinsically linked with emotion. I fail to see how someones choices matter so much to anyone beyond themselves and their partner.

But it's cheap as hell.


So dressing to make yourself look good is bad? Sorry, I've worked hard for my body. Do I always dress to impress? No, of course not. Do I know what I can wear that makes me look hot? Yes. Does it make me a slut for dressing to show off the fact that I have a pretty good body?
Umm... Yes it is. People should not be attracted to you because of your body, or your wealth, or your social standing. They should be attracted to you because of your personality.[/QUOTE]


that STILL doesn't answer the question. You know what it feels like to be treated like shit by people who don't know you, yes?
So what makes it okay for you to do that to someone else? Because they were mean to you? Grow some skin and deal with it. If they don't matter, then their insults and jabs don't either. Shrug them off and move on. But don't treat an entire group like shit just because they cheerlead. You don't seem to like it much when people make assumptions about asexuals.
I especially hate it when they make assumptions about asexuals when the only asexuals they've met have been over the internet.

But it shows you like to attract people based on your looks.
Yes, because obviously the only reason I dress the way I do is to attract people. :rolleyes:

I know, but she hits me whenever I say the full word.
I don't think saying "the S word" in its place is going to save you.

Ok, so you like your body. Do you like people looking at it, being attracted to it, thinking dirty thoughts about it? I can understand the first two, but I can't understand the third WHEN IT IS RAINING AND 50* OUTSIDE! I do see that all the time... Either way, you still wear things which shamelessly show off your body.
I really don't care if people look at my body. They're free to look at it, be attracted to it, think dirty thoughts about it. As long as they don't start stalking or harassing me, what the hell do I care? And if it so happens that I am trying to attract someone and they do look at my body and are attracted to it, so much the better.

I personally don't wear miniskirts in the winter because I'd freeze my ass off, but I don't particularly care if other people do so. And yes, I believe we've established that I do wear clothes that show off my body, and do so shamelessly because I find no shame in what I wear.

Please note, this doesn't mean that I only wear tight jeans and miniskirts. But I do expect to have the freedom to do so without other people judging me.

I'm not touching the rest of that post.

But back to wealth: A guy picks you up for a date - which would make a better impression - a new Porsche or a 10year old Skoda?

(assuming you don't have environmental hangups etc..)
Again, I'm a poor student, I'm impressed if a guy has a car at all. But then if he did, it would be better if it was an environmentally friendly one.

It's the fact that it was with some random guy she probably didn't know.
Making out with random people isn't slutty. Or cheap.
You'll also notice that the poster who said that the girl was making out with a random guy later clarified it to say that it might not have been a random guy, but a guy she actually knew, just one who wasn't a football player.

God damnit. See what I meant? Giant cartoon hammer...

DAKINI! LISTEN UP!

I am not, I repeat NOT demeaning all women in anyway shape or form. I am simply demeaning those use their looks and sexuality to get what they want. It just so happens most cheerleaders, who are mostly women, have a tendency to do that a lot.
You are demeaning all women by insinuating that we can only want to look and feel pretty to get a man. Then you went on to generalize about cheerleaders again.

Listen. I'm saying that people who wear clothing that rises up to less than a few inches below their genitalia shamelessly, and those who wear other incredibly small garments of clothing in order to show off their bodies are, well, the S word, which I dare not mutter lest great Dakini descend on me, again.
Oh please, you call a girl a slut for nothing and then you act like I'm out of line for pointing that out.

Wearing a short skirt != sleeping around

'Bout time someone non-asexual cleared that up...

Chandelier and I come under so much scrutiny because we seek emotional relationships, but everyone percieves that as wanting a physical relationship as well.
Well, ok, you're asexual, right? If you date someone who is not asexual then there's a clear conflict and someone is going to get the short end of the stick. Either you're going to end up coerced into sexual activity you don't want or your partner is going to end up seriously sexually frustrated. I suppose it would be better to ask... "If you're asexual, why are you trying to date people who aren't?" it's like a gay guy chasing straight men.

They have kept my dad, brother and step-dad out of jobs. And it let my mom get into a job that she didn't deserve. They don't keep prejudices out, they bring more in. Fucking affirmative action...
Again, link us some articles, your hearsay doesn't mean jack shit. As far as we know, your dad, brother and step dad were underqualified for those jobs or there were at least more qualified female applicants who beat them to it.

Oh, so being asexual is a bad thing now? Great. First the homosexuals were getting ragged on. Now being asexuals are getting ragged on.

Accept my sexuality or fuck off.
Oh please, try being bi.

I especially hate it when they make assumptions about asexuals when the only asexuals they've met have been over the internet.

It's still assumptions you're making, not determinations. And you've yet to adequately explain why it's okay for you to assume what those cheerleaders are like because of what little of their lives you've witnessed, but it's not okay for me to assume things about you based on what I've witnessed from you. Don't pretend like you're not operating on a double standard here. Show some honesty in what you say.

I know, but she hits me whenever I say the full word.
Yes, and I won't "hit" you any softer when you go about insulting my intelligence...

But it's cheap as hell.


Umm... Yes it is. People should not be attracted to you because of your body, or your wealth, or your social standing. They should be attracted to you because of your personality.


Actually people are normally attracted to others based on appearence. Thats a fact of life. Whether you actually like them or not is you're own opinion. Obviously you can still be attracted to them based on their personality but the physical qualities still come into play.

'Bout time someone non-asexual cleared that up...

Chandelier and I come under so much scrutiny because we seek emotional relationships, but everyone percieves that as wanting a physical relationship as well.
That's why I have no problem joining your side. (FYI - I have undefined sexuality, since I feel like I'm bi, but act asexual in a heterosexual relationship).

In fact, I have a very healthy relationship with my boyfriend. If sex was a problem, we would have broken up over three years ago, but instead we're living together with plans to get married and buy a house once I'm fully done my post-secondary.

As for the rest of the people here - stop posting those damn cheerleader pics! Who cares if these women are hot looking? If you want to disprove the stereotypes, then talk about them as people and not flout these demeaning pictures. They just perpetrate the stereotype by reinforcing it through visual imagery.

These pictures with words about how 'hot' or 'sexy' these cheerleaders are does no justice to the attempt to give them credit as something more than eyecandy.

And to all the male posters, be careful, there are female posters here who will find those images sexually offensive because it shows off outter beauty while ignoring what exists on the inside. It ignores that 'hot' women have more than just a hell of a sexy body.

If your arguments are about New Naliitr hating women, then the whole lot of you posting those pictures are no better because you've sunk to his level.

What do I think of cheerleaders? Is this some sort of trick question? Are you suggesting I beat off to the butch lunchladies with those, oh so sexy hairnets and cigarette burned uniforms?

You said that people had a tendency to use primarily, sometimes only physical attraction to get relationships at a High School age. So I said that's why I hate most of the people at my High School, and cheerleaders more for it because they do it a hell of a lot more.
Ah, miscommunication. When you said "why do you think I hate most of the people at my high school" I took it to mean "what gave you the impression I hate most of the people at my high school." Thanks for the clarification.

And I never said people primarily use physical attraction to get into relationships. To prevent further misunderstanding, let me clarify. Physical attraction is part and parcel of non-platonic relationships for most people; it just comes with the territory. In my opinion, physical attraction may play a larger role in high school than in later years because, well, it's high school. Hormones are raging, people are going through puberty, and are just generally horny. There's nothing wrong with any of that, it's just part of life and growing up.

I sit with them in my classes. They have a tendency to talk a lot. I have a tendency to over hear things without thinking about it. Put two and two together.
I see. So you overhear things they say, have probably never had any real conversations with them, and yet purport to know what they're all about and what kind of people they are?

As for the rest of the people here - stop posting those damn cheerleader pics! Who cares if these women are hot looking? If you want to disprove the stereotypes, then talk about them as people and not flout these demeaning pictures. They just perpetrate the stereotype by reinforcing it through visual imagery.

These pictures with words about how 'hot' or 'sexy' these cheerleaders are does no justice to the attempt to give them credit as something more than eyecandy.

And to all the male posters, be careful, there are female posters here who will find those images sexually offensive because it shows off outter beauty while ignoring what exists on the inside. It ignores that 'hot' women have more than just a hell of a sexy body.
The pictures aren't demeaning. They're beautiful women who are participating in a sport that they enjoy. I'm not offended by people stating that these women are hot, they are, there are many other hot women, but they're not the explicit topic of this thread, if someone wants to make a hot women thread then they're welcome to do that too.

What is demeaning is Naltir's attitude that women who dress attractively are doing it solely because they want men.

I think posting the pictures of the hot cheerleaders is mostly to taunt Naltir because he hates them so for no good reason.

Ok well thats your decision I suppose but I would have thought it better to judge them on personality (as individuals not stereotypes) rather than intelligence

The two kind of go hand in hand (personality and intelligence). As I said the vast majority of the cheerleaders I know either are, or act as if they are, stupid. That isn't to say that there aren't bright cheerleaders, just that I haven't met any. If I met one, I might make an effort to get along with them.

And forgive me, but I don't ever judge by personality alone. Personalities are rarely anything more than a facade created to cover up the holes in one's emotional armor. I pick friends based on intelligence. Even if they're total assholes, at least they aren't boring.

I pick friends based on intelligence. Even if they're total assholes, at least they aren't boring.

I agree with that, but I also try to establish relations with people who still have a little voice in there head that tells them on occassion, "No! Bad monkey! That's wrong!"

The pictures aren't demeaning. They're beautiful women who are participating in a sport that they enjoy. I'm not offended by people stating that these women are hot, they are, there are many other hot women, but they're not the explicit topic of this thread, if someone wants to make a hot women thread then they're welcome to do that too.

What is demeaning is Naltir's attitude that women who dress attractively are doing it solely because they want men.

I think posting the pictures of the hot cheerleaders is mostly to taunt Naltir because he hates them so for no good reason.
If the core objective was to piss it him, you're way off target.

If you want to make a point, use something that is contrary to the persons claims, while being on topic.

http://www.mainesouthalumni.org/images/67/67%20%20cheerleaders_small.jpg (http://www.mainesouthalumni.org/images/67/67%20%20cheerleaders.jpg)

Above is a better example of what could have been used.

I also have the firm belief that even if you're hot, you don't need to dress like a 2-cent whore to show off what nature gave you. You can find very flattering clothes that don't look like they belonged to your doll.

I agree with that, but I also try to establish relations with people who still have a little voice in there head that tells them on occassion, "No! Bad monkey! That's wrong!"

Oh sure, someone who I can't trust not to harm me isn't gonna rate high on my list of people, but someone who'll be an asshole to me is by no means out.

If the core objective was to piss it him, you're way off target.
I don't know what the core objective was, I wasn't posting the pictures. I'm just saying that it's really silly to say that the pictures are demeaning or offensive to women.

If you want to make a point, use something that is contrary to the persons claims, while being on topic.

http://www.mainesouthalumni.org/images/67/67%20%20cheerleaders_small.jpg (http://www.mainesouthalumni.org/images/67/67%20%20cheerleaders.jpg)

Above is a better example of what could have been used.
I can hardly see that picture... it's way too small to prove any point.

I also have the firm belief that even if you're hot, you don't need to dress like a 2-cent whore to show off what nature gave you. You can find very flattering clothes that don't look like they belonged to your doll.
And I think that wearing skimpy clothing does not make one a 2 cent whore, nor does it mean that they're dressing like one. I mean, seriously, have you seen what whores wear? Not really the same as what cheerleaders wear at all...

(snip)


Forgive my stupidity, but how is that contrary to Nalitir's claims?

I can't even see that picture...
Unlike other people who have posted in this thread, I used a thumbnail with a link, so I don't kill those weak connections because not everyone has a great connection... (I love cable!)

And I think that wearing skimpy clothing does not make one a 2 cent whore, nor does it mean that they're dressing like one. I mean, seriously, have you seen what whores wear? Not really the same as what cheerleaders wear at all...
No, it doesn't make them one, but, at the same time, it doesn't do them any justice. It just draws attention that could've been productively directed elsewhere, such as maybe to the face instead of to the chest.

And yes, I hate skimpy clothing, and I believe sexy clothing can exist without being skimpy.

Forgive my stupidity, but how is that contrary to Nalitir's claims?
It was an example of what could've been used to show that cheerleaders can look pretty without having next to no clothing on, (as demonstrated by earlier pictures).

Unlike other people who have posted in this thread, I used a thumbnail with a link, so I don't kill those weak connections because not everyone has a great connection... (I love cable!)
Ah, so a picture of cheerleaders from the 1950s debunks Naltir's claims about cheerleaders in the present how exactly?

No, it doesn't make them one, but, at the same time, it doesn't do them any justice. It just draws attention that could've been productively directed elsewhere, such as maybe to the face instead of to the chest.
Ah, so naive... not everyone who wears what coudl be deemed skimpy clothing shows ample cleavage. Some of us are lacking in the chest department but well set in the sexy long legs department.
And you forget, Naltir also shit all over women who wore makeup too, so clearly women who try to draw attention to their faces are also 2 cent whores.

And yes, I hate skimpy clothing, and I believe sexy clothing can exist without being skimpy.
Ok, and I believe that people should be able to wear whatever they want without being called cheap whores.

This includes men, I'm all in favour of men wearing skirts and makeup. Not necessarily like, in drag or anything like that.

As for the rest of the people here - stop posting those damn cheerleader pics! Who cares if these women are hot looking?
You realize thats only going to encourage us. :D
http://cdn.compuserve.com/gallery/i/n/nfl_cheer07/53454485.jpg
http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/n/nfl_cheer04/compu2_8725979.jpg
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/ODBJJPAHNBOL/ALI.jpg
Who cares? I cares.

Naltir also shit all over women who wore makeup too...
Well, make-up is unnecessary. There is no point in wearing it. If you wear it, what are you hiding it? Why don't you want people to see your natural beauty... ah! But, you've got something to hide. If one didn't, then what is the point of make-up? It's just excess gunk to put on one's face that needs to be cleaned off with the rest of the dust and dirt that gets stuck there.

(I'd respond to more of your argument, but, I'm still sane...)

Making out with random people isn't slutty. Or cheap. So just deciding after looking at a guy you've never seen before "Hey, I want to make out with him!", then going over and actually doing it isn't slutty or cheap?

You are demeaning all women by insinuating that we can only want to look and feel pretty to get a man. Then you went on to generalize about cheerleaders again.

What? I said that most cheerleaders have a tendency to do that, and a lot of other PEOPLE have a tendency to do it, just not as much as cheerleaders.

Well, make-up is unnecessary. There is no point in wearing it. If you wear it, what are you hiding it? Why don't you want people to see your natural beauty... ah! But, you've got something to hide. If one didn't, then what is the point of make-up? It's just excess gunk to put on one's face that needs to be cleaned off with the rest of the dust and dirt that gets stuck there.

(I'd respond to more of your argument, but, I'm still sane...)
I don't wear makeup unless I'm bored or going to a formal occasion, but not every woman has a perfectly flawless face like mine. And even then occasionally I have a zit that needs covered.

Well, ok, you're asexual, right? If you date someone who is not asexual then there's a clear conflict and someone is going to get the short end of the stick. Either you're going to end up coerced into sexual activity you don't want or your partner is going to end up seriously sexually frustrated. I suppose it would be better to ask... "If you're asexual, why are you trying to date people who aren't?" it's like a gay guy chasing straight men.

How many asexual people do you know? It's kind of fucking hard to find any REAL asexuals on the internet, let alone real life.

So just deciding after looking at a guy you've never seen before "Hey, I want to make out with him!", then going over and actually doing it isn't slutty or cheap?



What? I said that most cheerleaders have a tendency to do that, and a lot of other PEOPLE have a tendency to do it, just not as much as cheerleaders.

I wouldn't consider making out 'slutty'. If she has a tendency to do that like every weekend or something thats different. But other than that its fine.

It seems like your entire argument is based on your own personal stereotypes of cheerleaders, in which case that doesn't make it solid or conclusive.

So just deciding after looking at a guy you've never seen before "Hey, I want to make out with him!", then going over and actually doing it isn't slutty or cheap?
No, first of all, there's generally some talking first. Secondly, slutty generally implies sleeping with a lot of people, not random make out sessions. If the most a guy's getting is some over the shirt groping (though even that's not likely) then that's not slutty or cheap.

Of course I do love how you want to be accepted for your asexuality while you run about judging other people for acting on their sexual desires.

What? I said that most cheerleaders have a tendency to do that, and a lot of other PEOPLE have a tendency to do it, just not as much as cheerleaders.
No, you definitely said that women who wear what you deem to be skimpy clothing (which seems to be anything that doesn't cover them head to toe) is either trying to get a man or trying to get something from a man. We can't think for ourselves and say "Hey, this skirt makes me feel pretty, I like it and feel good in it, so I will wear it today."

I also have the firm belief that even if you're hot, you don't need to dress like a 2-cent whore to show off what nature gave you. You can find very flattering clothes that don't look like they belonged to your doll.
This is all true. You don't need to dress in skimpy clothing to show off your body. You can find flattering clothes that aren't skimpy or tight. However, it's also true that wearing skimpy or tight clothing doesn't make a person a two cent whore.

I don't wear makeup unless I'm bored or going to a formal occasion, but not every woman has a perfectly flawless face like mine. And even then occasionally I have a zit that needs covered.

I beleive that the reply to this would probably be: "And why does that excuse lying, or trying to change yourself to fit some small-minded version of beauty."

The fact of the matter is that I don't have much taste for make-up (at least the way I'm used to seeing it used), because it ends up making people uglier, in my eyes, but I don't have some broad crusade against it, like some people do.

How many asexual people do you know? It's kind of fucking hard to find any REAL asexuals on the internet, let alone real life.

You haven't really talked about the terms of your asexuality, other than repeating over and over again that you're an "asexual". Do you have any desire for sex at all? Or do you find it completly unappealing? Do you have romantic attracton of any kind? Do you have a tendency to want one sex or the other or both?

And I think that wearing skimpy clothing does not make one a 2 cent whore, nor does it mean that they're dressing like one. I mean, seriously, have you seen what whores wear? Not really the same as what cheerleaders wear at all...

Umm.... WHAT?!?!

You realize thats only going to encourage us.
http://cdn.compuserve.com/gallery/i/...7/53454485.jpg
http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gal...u2_8725979.jpg
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/up...AHNBOL/ALI.jpg
Who cares? I cares.

You call that "Not really the same"?!?!

Umm.... WHAT?!?!



You call that "Not really the same"?!?!

We're talking about high school cheerleaders. Most of those uniforms would not be allowed in a public school.

You haven't really talked about the terms of your asexuality, other than repeating over and over again that you're an "asexual". Do you have any desire for sex at all? Or do you find it completly unappealing? Do you have romantic attracton of any kind? Do you have a tendency to want one sex or the other or both?

I don't have the drive for sex with either gender, and I feel no physical attraction to either gender. I can feel emotional attractions to both genders, however.

You call that "Not really the same"?!?!

You think that a whore, anywhere but Las Vegas, where prostitution is legal, would be able to afford anything that flashy, let-alone wear it and make themselve's obvious to the police?

Bro, I've never even met a prostitute (well... There are a couple girls at school who may be, but I have no real proof of that beyond snippets of overheard conversation), but even I can figure that much out.

I beleive that the reply to this would probably be: "And why does that excuse lying, or trying to change yourself to fit some small-minded version of beauty."

The fact of the matter is that I don't have much taste for make-up (at least the way I'm used to seeing it used), because it ends up making people uglier, in my eyes, but I don't have some broad crusade against it, like some people do.
Yes, my reply would have been along those lines, because I see it as just that, especially with the way the media tries to indoctrine society into believing that a woman cannot be pretty without make-up. Yes, there are less than pretty women, but, I see them being prettier than a girl who is attractive to begin with with that gunk caked on.

I beleive that the reply to this would probably be: "And why does that excuse lying, or trying to change yourself to fit some small-minded version of beauty."

The fact of the matter is that I don't have much taste for make-up (at least the way I'm used to seeing it used), because it ends up making people uglier, in my eyes, but I don't have some broad crusade against it, like some people do.
I dunno, some people look good with a little makeup too much often looks gawdy, but I really don't care if someone else wears it.

I don't wear makeup unless I'm bored or going to a formal occasion, but not every woman has a perfectly flawless face like mine. And even then occasionally I have a zit that needs covered.

Dakini? Really?

perfectly flawless face like mine

No offense, but you seem to have quite a bit of self idolization.

Umm.... WHAT?!?!

You call that "Not really the same"?!?!
You mean all the links that don't work?

And while I don't go out looking for cheap whores, the stereotypical garb for them is not the same as a cheerleader's uniform at all.

Yes, my reply would have been along those lines, because I see it as just that, especially with the way the media tries to indoctrine society into believing that a woman cannot be pretty without make-up. Yes, there are less than pretty women, but, I see them being prettier than a girl who is attractive to begin with with that gunk caked on.

Ahh the media. The reason why everybody feels as though they must show off their body in order to get anybody. And strangely enough, everbody believes them.

Fuck the media.

Dakini? Really?
Yeah, I don't wear makeup.

No offense, but you seem to have quite a bit of self idolization.
It's called a joke, calm the fuck down.

Oh, and clearly you did mean offense by that.

I don't have the drive for sex with either gender, and I feel no physical attraction to either gender. I can feel emotional attractions to both genders, however.

Heres a good website for you. http://www.asexuality.org/home/

You mean all the links that don't work?

And while I don't go out looking for cheap whores, the stereotypical garb for them is not the same as a cheerleader's uniform at all.

Crap. I copy-pasted.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11952743&postcount=420

The original post.

And you cannot say that does not look like a whore's outfit.

Heres a good website for you. http://www.asexuality.org/home/

Why is everyone assuming I haven't been to that website yet?

I dunno about you guys, but whores kick ass.

Crap. I copy-pasted.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11952743&postcount=420

The original post.

And you cannot say that does not look like a whore's outfit.
Yes, I believe I can.

Ahh the media. The reason why everybody feels as though they must show off their body in order to get anybody. And strangely enough, everbody believes them.

Fuck the media.

Don't blame the media for society. Before there were outlets of mass-media, there were other ways that sexuality was marketed through society. The media just made it easier. Society is that way (at least it is in the US, because of our Puritan cultural roots).

And if you say "Fuck society", I'm gonna havta ask what you're doing on the internet interacting with people.

Crap. I copy-pasted.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11952743&postcount=420

The original post.

And you cannot say that does not look like a whore's outfit.
Seen a lot of whores in your time, have you?

Seen a lot of whores in your time, have you?
Yeah, for someone who isn't at all interested in sex, he sure knows a lot about ladies of the night.

Seen a lot of whores in your time, have you?

YES SIR!

I dunno about you guys, but whores kick ass.

I can't say I agree. I find the whole concept of prostitution to be shallow and immature, but that doesn't mean that other people can't or shouldn't enjoy buying sex from a professional.

I dunno about you guys, but whores kick ass.

So you think that people who have sex for money are kick ass? That they're the greatest thing ever invented? That they aren't cheap and slutty? That they aren't immoral?

Seen a lot of whores in your time, have you?

I live in the middle of Ghetto-Ville. I should know.

Don't blame the media for society. Before there were outlets of mass-media, there were other ways that sexuality was marketed through society. The media just made it easier. Society is that way (at least it is in the US, because of our Puritan cultural roots).

And if you say "Fuck society", I'm gonna havta ask what you're doing on the internet interacting with people.

No, I said "Fuck the Media". The media is completely different than society.

Either way, people marketing sexuality are complete douchebags, no matter what time period it's in.

So you think that people who have sex for money are kick ass? That they're the greatest thing ever invented? That they aren't cheap and slutty? That they aren't immoral?

I think people who use their own body for whatever purposes they wish without harming anyone or doing anything against someone's consent...no, I consider it no more immoral than tying ones shoes.

Either way, people marketing sexuality are complete douchebags, no matter what time period it's in.

why?

So you think that people who have sex for money are kick ass? That they're the greatest thing ever invented? That they aren't cheap and slutty? That they aren't immoral?

Yes. Yes. Yes and Yes.

No, I said "Fuck the Media". The media is completely different than society.

Either way, people marketing sexuality are complete douchebags, no matter what time period it's in.

Meh. People like sex. Sex sells. The Media is part of society. The media strives to make money. Therefore, the media markets via sex.

Blame human nature, if you must.

So you think that people who have sex for money are kick ass? That they're the greatest thing ever invented? That they aren't cheap and slutty? That they aren't immoral?

What is this "immoral" you speak of?

You see, I was brought up to beleive that the only immoral thing one can do is harm someone else.

So you think that people who have sex for money are kick ass? That they're the greatest thing ever invented? That they aren't cheap and slutty? That they aren't immoral?
I don't think that whores are slutty, they're whores. Sluts do it for free (well, unless you count dinners, movies, jewlery et c free). I don't think they're particularly kick ass, but I don't really think they're necessarily awful people, they're desperate people.
I don't think it's necessarily immoral to sell sex, sex isn't some really overly special act. I don't really think it's terribly wrong to sell one's body in such a manner if one so chooses.

Pimps, on the other hand...

What is this "immoral" you speak of?

You see, I was brought up to beleive that the only immoral thing one can do is harm someone else.

Herpes does suck, but hey, thats a sacrifice I'm willing to make

What is this "immoral" you speak of?

You see, I was brought up to beleive that the only immoral thing one can do is harm someone else.

bingo

Yes. Yes. Yes and Yes.

but you just dont fuck white females
as to a other post i seen by you, you hate white people

Meh. People like sex. Sex sells. The Media is part of society. The media strives to make money. Therefore, the media markets via sex.

Blame human nature, if you must.

Indeed I shall.

There's a reason I'm studying psychology and sociology, you know.

why?

Because, they completely misconstrue what people are supposed to think. Allow the following video to explain...

http://www.glumbert.com/media/beauty

Pimps, on the other hand...

And you say I'm sexist...

First you say the females who sell sex aren't immoral. Then you turn around and say the men who sell sex are immoral.

Indeed I shall.

There's a reason I'm studying psychology and sociology, you know.

Then you should also realizes that your lashing out at those who are comfortable with their sexuality is a psychological issue.

So you think that people who have sex for money are kick ass? That they're the greatest thing ever invented? That they aren't cheap and slutty? That they aren't immoral?
No, I think that people who have sex for money are probably desperate and just trying to scrape by using whatever means they can. I can't say I know anyone who thinks to themselves, "Hmm, what a great job. I should be a prostitute."

There's a reason I'm studying psychology and sociology, you know.

So that you can sneer at, and look down on your fellow man? I hate to put it so bluntly, buddy, but people who aren't sexually motivated are evolutionary failures. For better or for worse, the human obsession with sex is a survival trait.

Not that we have to give in to such a drive, if we don't want to.

And you say I'm sexist...

First you say the females who sell sex aren't immoral. Then you turn around and say the men who sell sex are immoral.

Thats completly different. Whores sell their OWN sex. Pimps take advantage of the whores and take their money.

And you say I'm sexist...

First you say the females who sell sex aren't immoral. Then you turn around and say the men who sell sex are immoral.
No, I'm saying that women who sell their own bodies for sex are fine. Men or women who sell other people's bodies (there are female pimps afterall) for sex are not.

A male whore is still a whore, not a pimp. Good job living in ghetto-ville and not learning the terminology.

Then you should also realizes that your lashing out at those who are comfortable with their sexuality is a psychological issue.

Hey, I never said my psyche was perfect.

Inspired by that other thread.

And I mean the stereotypical ones. Who, sadly, are in fact the majority of cheerleaders.

By "stereotypical ones" I mean:


They think they're better than everyone else.


They only date football players because football players are the only people equal to them.


They never do anything kind because they're better than everyone else.


They always expect other people to do things for them because they're better than everyone else.


They never thank people who do things for them because they're better than everyone else.


They shamelessly wear incredibly short skirts (I KNOW that back in the ol' day cheerleader skirts were no where NEAR the length they are now) in an attempt to get the football players to like them, even if it is liking them only for their bodies.


They are almost always happy, no matter what is going on.


They pay no attention to anything outside of their own little social life, no matter how important it may be.


When, if ever, they are sad, they expect every single last person on campus to take notice and be sorry for her, no matter why she is sad.


If she breaks up with her football player boyfriend, she automatically goes to the rebound guy, who will most probably be another football player, without thinking a bit about her ex-boyfriend.


They expect every guy on campus to want them, and if a guy doesn't seem to want them, they have their jock boyfriends harrass them.


They expect every girl on campus to want to be like them, and if a girl doesn't seem to want to be like them, they themselves will harass them.


They pay no attention to the future of their lives, concerned only with improving their current situation.


They pay no attention to their education, even if it may help them get a job after they become too old to be a cheerleader.


They even expect teachers and staff to bow down to them, because they're even better than the teachers.


They never aplogize if they do something like actually accidentally spill milk on someone, because they're still better than everyone.


And a hell of a lot more.


Wow, glad I didn't go to the school you went to...

My school's cheerleaders suck. We have fat, depressed cheerleaders. Even our Winterguard, which is the escape for the better-lookin' chicks, is not that stereotypical. In fact, none of our girls are like that...

And you say I'm sexist...

First you say the females who sell sex aren't immoral. Then you turn around and say the men who sell sex are immoral.

Erm... Dude... Pimps aren't male whores. Pimps are people who (normally using drugs or violence) force women into prostitution, taking a cut of their wages, and generally exploiting the downtrodden.

Then you should also realizes that your lashing out at those who are comfortable with their sexuality is a psychological issue.
Thank you.

Because, they completely misconstrue what people are supposed to think. Allow the following video to explain...

http://www.glumbert.com/media/beauty

only if you assume what peple are "supposed" to think.

So it's bad for the media to "tell people what to think" but it's perfectly ok for you to consider yourself the arbiter of what people should think?

Not that we have to give in to such a drive, if we don't want to.

My advice to anyone who reads these boards and blindly accepts anything said to be holy truth:

DON'T GIVE IN TO YOUR SEX DRIVE.

And you say I'm sexist...

First you say the females who sell sex aren't immoral. Then you turn around and say the men who sell sex are immoral.

A pimp isn't a prostitute, moron.

A prostitute, male OR female, sells his OR her own sex. A pimp (male or female) sells the sex of someone else.

Wow, glad I didn't go to the school you went to...

My school's cheerleaders suck. We have fat, depressed cheerleaders. Even our Winterguard, which is the escape for the better-lookin' chicks, is not that stereotypical. In fact, none of our girls are like that...

Ugh, because of political correctness, they let fatties and redheads on high school cheerleading squads. Thank Jebus for the NFL.

So that you can sneer at, and look down on your fellow man? I hate to put it so bluntly, buddy, but people who aren't sexually motivated are evolutionary failures. For better or for worse, the human obsession with sex is a survival trait.

Not that we have to give in to such a drive, if we don't want to.

As I said, I never said my psyche was perfect. I just said I'm studying crap. And I can't help that I don't feel sexual attraction or sexual drive, so don't say it like it's my fault I'm an "evolutionary failure". Also, humanity doesn't need me. It has 6.5 billion other people to reproduce. One person not reproducing won't make much of a difference. That is, unless, Chaos Theory comes into affect. Either way, I don't know if my decision will be good or bad. All I know is I feel no sexual attraction or drive to anyone or anything.

So it's bad for the media to "tell people what to think" but it's perfectly ok for you to consider yourself the arbiter of what people should think?
Yeah, that's really what's bothering me about these two asexual posters here, they're not interested in others sexually, but think that they can dictate what others should or should not do in a mating dance.

A pimp isn't a prostitute, moron.

A prostitute, male OR female, sells his OR her own sex. A pimp (male or female) sells the sex of someone else.

Is a pimp harming someone? No.

Thank you.

No prob. This guy has an unnatural hatred for the sexually comfortable. This thread is just a way for him to vent his sexual frustration and confusion. Once again someone's attacking something because its different from them.

Is a pimp harming someone? No.

Your pimping hand ain't strong then.

Is a pimp harming someone? No.
They generally harm the prostitutes who work for them, but then they're cheap whores who probably aren't "someones" to you.

Yeah, that's really what's bothering me about these two asexual posters here, they're not interested in others sexually, but think that they can dictate what others should or should not do in a mating dance.

Tell me, most heterosexuals look down on gay "mating dances" because they don't understand it, correct?

It's the same with us asexuals. We don't understand sexual attraction and drive, so therefore some of us choose to look down on it. Not saying Chand does this too, but I and some people on AVEN do it too.

Is a pimp harming someone? No.

I take it you've never heard the term "pimp slap" then have you?

Pimps in general tend to be physically abusive for the prostitutes that work for them. Rather then giving them the facilitation, they force them on threat of violence.

If a "pimp" acts merely as a facilitator, a sort of "prostitute agent" and takes a cut for those services, I have no problem with that. However the common meaning of pimp is not one who simply manages prostitutes, but one who abuses them and threatens them and takes a disproportionate payment for "services".

They generally harm the prostitutes who work for them, but then they're cheap whores who probably aren't "someones" to you.

Oh my god Dakini...

Listen, just because I hate them doesn't mean I wish them harm. I want everybody to live and have a good life. There's a reason I'm socialist and humanitarian.

If it is a living animal, they're someone to me.

Tell me, most heterosexuals look down on gay "mating dances" because they don't understand it, correct?

It's the same with us asexuals. We don't understand sexual attraction and drive, so therefore some of us choose to look down on it. Not saying Chand does this too, but I and some people on AVEN do it too.

OK, first off you make a generalization with "most", please substantiate.

And yet this whole post is you bitching at cheerleaders because they "look down" on people, yet you freely admit to doing the same, without even the slightest bit of shame or remorse?

What makes you ANY better, any better at all, then the (absurdly ludicrus) version of the "cheerleader" you talk about?

Is a pimp harming someone? No.

What are you talking about? pimps beat women all the time, even when the women give them a fair cut. Haven't you ever been to an inner city my friend?

Tell me, most heterosexuals look down on gay "mating dances" because they don't understand it, correct?
1. I don't believe there's been a study done on that.
2. Just because other people do doesn't mean that it makes it right or that you should do so.

I personally don't look down on "mating dances" of gay people.

It's the same with us asexuals. We don't understand sexual attraction and drive, so therefore some of us choose to look down on it. Not saying Chand does this too, but I and some people on AVEN do it too.
Ok, that doesn't make it right and it doesn't make you any less of an absolute jerk to do so.

There's a reason I'm socialist and humanitarian.

No, you're not.

A humanitarian doesn't judge. A humanitarian doesn't try to force his version of morality on others. A humanitarian lets people live the life they WANT to live without looking down upon them. A humanitarian doesn't hate other humans for living the life THEY WANT TO.

I know humanitarians. You sir are no humanitarian

Oh my god Dakini...

Listen, just because I hate them doesn't mean I wish them harm. I want everybody to live and have a good life. There's a reason I'm socialist and humanitarian.

If it is a living animal, they're someone to me.
Ok, so then pimps do harm someone.

You also didn't admit that you were wrong about accusing me of sexism because you failed to understand what a pimp was.

Also, don't give this bullshit about being a humanitarian.

Tell me, most heterosexuals look down on gay "mating dances" because they don't understand it, correct?

It's the same with us asexuals. We don't understand sexual attraction and drive, so therefore some of us choose to look down on it. Not saying Chand does this too, but I and some people on AVEN do it too.

Maybe if you go down south thats true, but up here in Yankee land we have freedom of love. :cool:

Yeah, that's really what's bothering me about these two asexual posters here, they're not interested in others sexually, but think that they can dictate what others should or should not do in a mating dance.

We have two asexual posters?

We have two asexual posters?
Yeah, there was some girl earlier, she posted a picture of some cheerleaders from the 1950s and some rants about how the pictures of modern cheerleaders were demeaning to women.

OK, first off you make a generalization with "most", please substantiate.

And yet this whole post is you bitching at cheerleaders because they "look down" on people, yet you freely admit to doing the same, without even the slightest bit of shame or remorse?

What makes you ANY better, any better at all, then the (absurdly ludicrus) version of the "cheerleader" you talk about?

Why do cheerleaders look down on people?

Now why do I look down on people?

What do cheerleaders do on people they look down on?

What do I do to people I look down on?

Understand?

Yeah, that's really what's bothering me about these two asexual posters here, they're not interested in others sexually, but think that they can dictate what others should or should not do in a mating dance.

Who's the second?

What are you talking about? pimps beat women all the time, even when the women give them a fair cut. Haven't you ever been to an inner city my friend?
Oh, Naltir? Didn't you read? He's from the ghetto, he sees whores all the time on his way to school which is why he's the authority on how they dress like NFL cheerleaders.

I dunno about you guys, but thinking about asexual people gets me all hot and bothered.

1. I don't believe there's been a study done on that.
2. Just because other people do doesn't mean that it makes it right or that you should do so.

I personally don't look down on "mating dances" of gay people.


Ok, that doesn't make it right and it doesn't make you any less of an absolute jerk to do so.

That's because you're bi, so you understand both sides. I'm a, so I don't understand either side.

And just because there hasn't been a study doesn't mean it's not true.

Ok, so then pimps do harm someone.

You also didn't admit that you were wrong about accusing me of sexism because you failed to understand what a pimp was.

Also, don't give this bullshit about being a humanitarian.

Umm... I did admit that I was wrong. Like, two pages ago.