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In one of my recent blog post, I commented on why women sometimes get hooked up with bad guys, or mistreated, and one of the thing I commented on was how women dress. I think there is a line between dressing sexy, and dressing like a prositute. However, the question is, where is this line? I think if you can see the woman's bra, or one sneeze from the woman the suprise is out, then they crossed the line. Also, you can sometimes tell when they crossed the line. So what do yall think, is there a line between Sexy and Slutty, and where is that line?

She's sexy if she sleeps with me. She's slutty if she sleeps with anyone but me. :p

there is a very fine line between stut and sexy.I find the general rule for not looking like a slut, is that if you are showing off your legs, dont show cleavage, and if showing cleavage dont show too much leg.
also the same with make up, if you have lots of eye make up on,dont wear lots of lipstick, lost of lipstick, tone down the eyes.
Sexy is great, but if you want to be truly sexy you have to be classy

Uhm...I don't know wether I should begin with addressing your sexism or your weird theory. :confused:

I generally avoid the use of the word "slutty" or similar ones. It's so often used for double standards, degrading females, imposing morals, being judgemental....

It's used in a negative way towards peoples' choices of clothing, behaviour and sexual activity, all things I think are up to the individual, and which I feel I am in no place to judge.

The only negative aspects of any of that are showing a lack of respect for yourself (and that's purely up to the women, not anyone elses' idea of what is showing a lack of self-respect) or others. That's what makes someone a "slut" in my eyes, based on the idea of it being a negative thing.
(With general useage of it being someone promiscuous, I could argue my opinion that being a slut isn't a bad thing, but this seems easier to me.)

Uhm...I don't know wether I should begin with addressing your sexism or your weird theory. :confused:

Eh let's go with sexism. I'm actually in a good mood today, went out on a last minute date last night, and it was great. So, take advantage of my good mood while you can.

I think the line between sexy and slutty is in the minds eye of the beholder.

There will never be a clear definition as far as I can see it.

She's sexy if she sleeps with me. She's slutty if she sleeps with anyone but me. :p
All too sadly how some guys actually use the word..... (I'm hoping you're joking here :p)

there is a very fine line between stut and sexy.I find the general rule for not looking like a slut, is that if you are showing off your legs, dont show cleavage, and if showing cleavage dont show too much leg.
also the same with make up, if you have lots of eye make up on,dont wear lots of lipstick, lost of lipstick, tone down the eyes.
Sexy is great, but if you want to be truly sexy you have to be classy
Hmmm, there are some "rules" or guidelines I'd follow such as the ones you mentioned so that people aren't given the wrong idea, but ideally, how you dress shouldn't cause people to make snap judgements on your character.

Next thing we know you'll all be saying that women need to wear full body coverings, like hijab rules. :headbang:

Nonsense. Slutty and Sexy are differentiated by actions and intent, not by dress code and style.

If you are doing it for your spouse, then it can't be slutty, if you're doing it for everyone or anyone else, then you might have a problem there...

Slutty is when really ugly girls try too hard to be sexy

Eh let's go with sexism. I'm actually in a good mood today, went out on a last minute date last night, and it was great. So, take advantage of my good mood while you can.

Whining about how women dress nowadays and how it results in being with "bad men" or being mistreated is obviously sexist.

As for your theory...The obvious hole in it is the fact that many people find slutty and sexy to be the same thing.

I try to teach my girls to dress modestly*, and there is a line, according to my husband it's a fine line between sexy and slutty and the nature of the line is "does it make me wonder or can I actually see it?"

I think being sexy has nothing to do with what you wear and all about how you carry yourself, but then again I am a woman so how the hell would I know?

A person who is sexy doesn't need to show their underwear to prove it, a person who needs to show more than is acceptable to get attention probably has more problems than what can be fixed by clothing.







* I don't even know if that is a word.....

Hmmm, there are some "rules" or guidelines I'd follow such as the ones you mentioned so that people aren't given the wrong idea, but ideally, how you dress shouldn't cause people to make snap judgements on your character.

absolutly not,the 'rules'are for my personal use.I like to be modest,but not covered up completly.Not just because I dont want to give the wrong impresion, I just feel that classy IS sexy.I didnt mean to seem all judgemental,slutty is in the eyes of the beholder.

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speaking of sexy....how you doin' ?;)

the nature of the line is "does it make me wonder or can I actually see it?"

though the appropriate question is "see what, exactly?"

I think the line between sexy and slutty is in the minds eye of the beholder.

There will never be a clear definition as far as I can see it.

you confusing slut!

though the appropriate question is "see what, exactly?"
by my husband's standards?

you really don't want to know.......haha.

He isn't a big fan of whale tales, halter tops with strapped bras, buttcracks, see through shirts. etc.

The line between slutty and sexy is an entirely artificial one created by a certain group of men to coerce women not to become sexually experienced so that they don't notice how shitty said men are in bed.

;)

However, the question is, where is this line? I think if you can see the woman's bra, or one sneeze from the woman the suprise is out, then they crossed the line. Also, you can sometimes tell when they crossed the line. So what do yall think, is there a line between Sexy and Slutty, and where is that line?
Aren't you the same guy who said that short skirts were slutty?

Showing a bra strap is hardly slutty, it's impossible to not show a bra strap with spaghetti-strap tank tops.

there is a very fine line between stut and sexy.I find the general rule for not looking like a slut, is that if you are showing off your legs, dont show cleavage, and if showing cleavage dont show too much leg.
That is the stupidest "rule" ever.

also the same with make up, if you have lots of eye make up on,dont wear lots of lipstick, lost of lipstick, tone down the eyes.
Sexy is great, but if you want to be truly sexy you have to be classy
Wearing lots of makeup doesn't make one look slutty, it makes one look like one does not know how to apply makeup.

Aren't you the same guy who said that short skirts were slutty?

Showing a bra strap is hardly slutty, it's impossible to not show a bra strap with spaghetti-strap tank tops.

strapless bra.........

seriously, if you can't go without a bra and you don't have a proper bra, you need to find another shirt.

absolutly not,the 'rules'are for my personal use.I like to be modest,but not covered up completly.Not just because I dont want to give the wrong impresion, I just feel that classy IS sexy.I didnt mean to seem all judgemental,slutty is in the eyes of the beholder.

read my earlier post.I dont think everyone should do this, this is my own rukle, that I use for myself!I dont want to impose on anyone else MY OWN RULE.I am allowed to have an opinion and my own belief on what is sexy and what is slutty!

She's sexy if she sleeps with me. She's slutty if she sleeps with anyone but me. :p

That may be the best definition I've ever read.

you confusing slut!

hehe

simply - it's subjective


but yeah what you wear doesnt make you a slut and besides there is nothing wrong with beign promiscuous if you are being safe about it.

Not that this is going to end the discussion, and I don't want it to either, I would just like to point out that Slutty and Sexy are completely subjective. I have seen girls/women at the bar that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole because they look like they are brimming with disease, but then see some celebrity in essentially the same outfit and everyone is saying how classy and sophisticated they look. My concern is that there isn't really anyway to classify a guy who is slutty.

What's so slutty about showing your underwear? :confused:
I do so all the time. I wear vest tops a lot and the bra straps can usually be seen as well as the sides of the bra if I lift my arms. Funny, I never saw clothes like this as slutty...
http://www.frogpool.com/prod-4322.jpg
I guess I'll have to stop wearing bras then, if seeing their straps gives guys the wrong impression. :rolleyes:

by my husband's standards?

you really don't want to know.......haha.

He isn't a big fan of whale tales, halter tops with strapped bras, buttcracks, see through shirts. etc.

how about penis gourds and grass skirts without any top at all?

First things first, something I missed....
I commented on why women sometimes get hooked up with bad guys, or mistreated, and one of the thing I commented on was how women dress.
Usually, guys who mistreat women will choose women who are insecure and more vulnerable, and therefore will probably dress more modestly out of a lack of confidence.

Either way, what you're saying comes dangerously close to blaming women for being mistreated because of their dress, and excusing guys for their abuse, and that's a view I despise. The blame is always on the person doing the mistreating/abusing and there is no worthwhile excuse.

the nature of the line is "does it make me wonder or can I actually see it?"

I think being sexy has nothing to do with what you wear and all about how you carry yourself, but then again I am a woman so how the hell would I know?

A person who is sexy doesn't need to show their underwear to prove it, a person who needs to show more than is acceptable to get attention probably has more problems than what can be fixed by clothing.
I'd agree with the idea of mystery and intruige being sexy to me, and also with attitude and personality (and aspects of appearance such as being healthy) being what's important. Someone can be sexy in a big jumper and jeans, with bed-hair and no make-up, while someone in a string bikini could be totally unattractive to me.
Though, of course, that's just my personal ideas, and not one's I'd enforce on others. Why should other people dress based on what I find sexy? They should dress however the hell they like, and if they're happy with it, that's what matters. Of course, as you mentioned, dressing very skimply can often be because of insecurity and need for attention. But not necessarily.

absolutly not,the 'rules'are for my personal use.I like to be modest,but not covered up completly.Not just because I dont want to give the wrong impresion, I just feel that classy IS sexy.I didnt mean to seem all judgemental,slutty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that you imposed those judgements. Just that, while I follow similar rules, I don't think I should have to through fear of being judged wrongly. Guidelines like that can be a good idea in one way, but they shouldn't be necessary.



speaking of sexy....how you doin' ?;)
hehehe ;) a joey fan are we? :p
and i'm doing just fine... yourself? :fluffle:

What's so slutty about showing your underwear? :confused:
I do so all the time. I wear vest tops a lot and the bra straps can usually be seen as well as the sides of the bra if I lift my arms. Funny, I never saw clothes like this as slutty...
http://www.frogpool.com/prod-4322.jpg
I guess I'll have to stop wearing bras then, if seeing their straps gives guys the wrong impression. :rolleyes:

it's really up to you. My own personal standards are different than most, but I tend to judge people according to what I find acceptable.

You know you could do like I do and safety pin your bra so that it doesn't show and the straps don't fall, or you could get a bra that dips lower on the sides so it doesn't show........whatever.

What's so slutty about showing your underwear? :confused:
I do so all the time. I wear vest tops a lot and the bra straps can usually be seen as well as the sides of the bra if I lift my arms. Funny, I never saw clothes like this as slutty...
http://www.frogpool.com/prod-4322.jpg
I guess I'll have to stop wearing bras then, if seeing their straps gives guys the wrong impression. :rolleyes:

you should because nipples are wonderful

hehe

simply - it's subjective


but yeah what you wear doesnt make you a slut and besides there is nothing wrong with beign promiscuous if you are being safe about it.

You know I'm kidding with you.

Sometimes , I can read the same thing three times and it doesnt sink in.

I was more kidding myself.

I only call a braod a slut if I dont like her. She could be wearing a house dress or a thong. Or both.

If I like her-she is "hot". :p

how about penis gourds and grass skirts without any top at all?
his standards for personal dress go beyond what he finds acceptable for me and the girls to wear, he doesn't even wear shorts, so I am guessing penis grourds would be out of the question.

grass skirts with no tops? has it's place I am sure, but probably he wouldn't like me to wear it to work or anything


I'd agree with the idea of mystery and intruige being sexy to me, and also with attitude and personality (and aspects of appearance such as being healthy) being what's important. Someone can be sexy in a big jumper and jeans, with bed-hair and no make-up, while someone in a string bikini could be totally unattractive to me.
Though, of course, that's just my personal ideas, and not one's I'd enforce on others. Why should other people dress based on what I find sexy? They should dress however the hell they like, and if they're happy with it, that's what matters. Of course, as you mentioned, dressing very skimply can often be because of insecurity and need for attention. But not necessarily.

I had the idea that this was a personal question, since sexy and slutty are so subjective. I wouldn't try to make people dress how I think they should (you know other than gently guiding the kids) but if someone asks my personal opinion, they are going to get it. ;)

hehehe ;) a joey fan are we? :p
and i'm doing just fine... yourself? :fluffle:

I was Joey before he was Joey. *L*

All thing good here- nice to see you back. Missed you brightening the place up and making it fun.


And- WTF is a "jumper" , by the way?

you should because nipples are wonderful

Yeah, I was being silly. I also think it's silly to find showing a bit of bra to be slutty. It's just cotton, what's so bad about it?

:confused:

Not that this is going to end the discussion, and I don't want it to either, I would just like to point out that Slutty and Sexy are completely subjective. I have seen girls/women at the bar that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole because they look like they are brimming with disease, but then see some celebrity in essentially the same outfit and everyone is saying how classy and sophisticated they look. My concern is that there isn't really anyway to classify a guy who is slutty.

this is a very good point......if you transplanted the outfits actresses wear onto normal people, they would look like prostitutes... Celebrities set a terrible example for children.

And- WTF is a "jumper" , by the way?
don't know about where Glitz is from, but around here it's the "homeschool mom" uniform or something, denim jumper (http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:wKxfMS76GfSrkM:http://www.modestapparelusa.com/jumper_denim_sidebutton.jpg) with a bright colored shirt underneath......

I get all kinds of strange looks when I show up in my blue jeans and halter top (with appropriate bra of course)

Yeah, I was being silly. I also think it's silly to find showing a bit of bra to be slutty. It's just cotton, what's so bad about it?

:confused:

it's underwear, meaning it goes on under your clothes. I don't like seeing bra straps and thongs anymore than I want to see undershirts and tighty-whiteys on men......it's just not right.

She's sexy if she sleeps with me. She's slutty if she sleeps with anyone but me. :p

LOL

what a rule to live by.....

That is the stupidest "rule" ever.
Personally, I'd use it when talking about excessively showing off something. If you have a very very short skirt and a very very low cut top (different to wearing a skirt, and wearing a top with some clevage) generally it's gonna be hard to pull off without looking - in most people's eyes - "slutty". I might think that's stupid, but I do care to some extent what people think. I'd never ask others to follow that, and I don't think anything like that should be needed, but it's something I might think of when choosing outfits as a general guideline type thing.

You don't have to show cleavage or legs to look sexy.
And slutty goes a lot with the way one acts too.

To me its not a fine line at all. I don't find slutty girls or girls who appear to be slutty the at least bit sexy. Any girl that walks around with her tits hanging out or will do me as soon as I say hello, is not very attractive to me at all. I perfer a girl who leaves something to the imagination and makes me work for it. Some guys dont, and to them I say have fun with your diseases.

it's underwear, meaning it goes on under your clothes. I don't like seeing bra straps and thongs anymore than I want to see undershirts and tighty-whiteys on men......it's just not right.

my sixty-seven year old history teacher came to school on halloween wearing pants that went down to his thighs, with nothing but tighty-whiteys underneath.

the.....horror.

You know I'm kidding with you.

Sometimes , I can read the same thing three times and it doesnt sink in.

I was more kidding myself.

I only call a braod a slut if I dont like her. She could be wearing a house dress or a thong. Or both.

If I like her-she is "hot". :p


I know - also: I call myself a slut all the time and am proud of my self designation.

Yeah, I was being silly. I also think it's silly to find showing a bit of bra to be slutty. It's just cotton, what's so bad about it?

:confused:



I know and I agree that it is silly to thik that. its just fabric. its all personaly subjective opinion and so therefore really doesnt matter what other people think. if they have a problem with it then they can have a problem with it while I enjoy it. problem solved.

The line between slutty and sexy is an entirely artificial one created by a certain group of men to coerce women not to become sexually experienced so that they don't notice how shitty said men are in bed.

;)

Personally, slutty is sexy. :D

it's underwear, meaning it goes on under your clothes. I don't like seeing bra straps and thongs anymore than I want to see undershirts and tighty-whiteys on men......it's just not right.
Underwear is made of exactly the same stuff as the rest of my clothes. I don't get why showing them is taboo.

Underwear is made of exactly the same stuff as the rest of my clothes. I don't get why showing them is taboo.

its that whole "decency" thing.

To me, the line is drawn between using one's imagination vs not needing imagination.

"sexy" tantalizes, offers a bit of fantasy, but always requires at least some imagination on the part of the observer...

"Slutty" requires no imagination, or very, very little by way of Imagination.

I think it's fairly safe to say there is no line, just a big grey smudge.
It's a very subjective distinction, and even with two people dressed in the same way, one might look slutty while the other doesn't. Attitude factors into it as well.
In short, I know it when I see it. But define it I can't.

I had the idea that this was a personal question, since sexy and slutty are so subjective. I wouldn't try to make people dress how I think they should (you know other than gently guiding the kids) but if someone asks my personal opinion, they are going to get it. ;)
Oh, definitly. Wouldn't have it any other way :p

I was Joey before he was Joey. *L*

All thing good here- nice to see you back. Missed you brightening the place up and making it fun.
I wonder in how many ways you are similar...

Hehe, well, I should be around a fair bit... don't know what's gonna happen when I'm off to college (UK college) but I'll do my best to add some excitement to your NS browsing experience... ;) :P

And- WTF is a "jumper" , by the way?

don't know about where Glitz is from, but around here it's the "homeschool mom" uniform or something, denim jumper (http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:wKxfMS76GfSrkM:http://www.modestapparelusa.com/jumper_denim_sidebutton.jpg) with a bright colored shirt underneath......

I think it might be a sweater or sweatshirt with you.... or even over here...
http://imagehost.epier.com/29152/Fila%20Steel%20Blue%20Sweatshirt%20-%201.jpg
http://www.kubicekballoons.cz/photos/mikina-modra.gif

it's underwear, meaning it goes on under your clothes. I don't like seeing bra straps and thongs anymore than I want to see undershirts and tighty-whiteys on men......it's just not right.

Personally i find seeing a woman with a thong riding half-way up her back a REAL turn-off.

To me, the line is drawn between using one's imagination vs not needing imagination.

"sexy" tantalizes, offers a bit of fantasy, but always requires at least some imagination on the part of the observer...

"Slutty" requires no imagination, or very, very little by way of Imagination.

so there are entire cultures filled with nothing but slutty people, yeah?

its that whole "decency" thing.
Oh that silly thing, I don't particulary care what others think. I get funny looks sometimes when I walk over to my friends house in the next avenue. Just because I happen to be wearing a robe and slippers. I don't get this decency thing. My robe covers most of my body, I would of thought that would keep people happy. Oh well, I don't care enough to make the effort to get dressed, and then have to wash my clothes the next day. *sigh* It's too much bother. Fuck decency, I don't care if the way I dress isn't acceptable.

To me its not a fine line at all. I don't find slutty girls or girls who appear to be slutty the at least bit sexy. Any girl that walks around with her tits hanging out or will do me as soon as I say hello, is not very attractive to me at all. I perfer a girl who leaves something to the imagination and makes me work for it. Some guys dont, and to them I say have fun with your diseases.
Yeah, because the way a person dresses obviously shows their attitude towards contraception and safe sex :rolleyes:

so there are entire cultures filled with nothing but slutty people, yeah?

:cool: point me in the right direction!:D

In order to be "slutty" in my opinion, in most cases you need to have the combination of wearing as little clothing as possible without getting arrested, wearing too much makeup and hitting on anything that moves.

Clothes are overrated.

In order to be "slutty" in my opinion, in most cases you need to have the combination of wearing as little clothing as possible without getting arrested, wearing too much makeup and hitting on anything that moves.

Sounds like a few of the "it" girls here in the UK, Jodie Marsh in particular!

so there are entire cultures filled with nothing but slutty people, yeah?


yeah those tribal women (and men) leave nothing to the imagination. those disease ridden sluts.

I think the line between sexy and slutty is in the minds eye of the beholder.

There will never be a clear definition as far as I can see it.

There never is.

Oh that silly thing, I don't particulary care what others think. I get funny looks sometimes when I walk over to my friends house in the next avenue. Just because I happen to be wearing a robe and slippers. I don't get this decency thing. My robe covers most of my body, I would of thought that would keep people happy. Oh well, I don't care enough to make the effort to get dressed, and then have to wash my clothes the next day. *sigh* It's too much bother. Fuck decency, I don't care if the way I dress isn't acceptable.

if you don't care then why do you question it?

I don't care what you wear, it's none of my business, I may think something is inappropriate, but I probably won't tell you unless you ask me directly, but you have to wonder what other people think, how are you presenting yourself? is it okay to go to prom in your PJ's or to work in your Teddy? (assuming an office job)

Yeah, because the way a person dresses obviously shows their attitude towards contraception and safe sex :rolleyes:

It has nothing to do with what they wear but lets be honest, most sluts arent the most prudent when it comes to safe sex.

:cool: point me in the right direction!:D

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/vanuatu.htm

I think it might be a sweater or sweatshirt with you.... or even over here...
http://imagehost.epier.com/29152/Fila%20Steel%20Blue%20Sweatshirt%20-%201.jpg
http://www.kubicekballoons.cz/photos/mikina-modra.gif
yeah, sweatshirt.

I look sexy in my sweatshirt. ;)

strapless bra.........
Strapless bras are uncomfortable and no one is hurt by seeing my bra straps.

seriously, if you can't go without a bra and you don't have a proper bra, you need to find another shirt.
Why? Bra straps are just fabric, what on earth is so offensive about fabric?
I could also theoretically go without a bra, but then there's the issue of when it gets chilly and things get poky... or when shirts aren't the thickest and most opaque material.

It has nothing to do with what they wear but lets be honest, most sluts arent the most prudent when it comes to safe sex.

is that not the definition of slut?a harlett,slag,prostitute(or wanna be prostitute)?

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/vanuatu.htm

Hmm....after seeing the pics I have to say that it's not quite what I had in mind!!!!!!!!:p

Sounds like a few of the "it" girls here in the UK, Jodie Marsh in particular!

What exactly is an "it" girl?

I try to teach my girls to dress modestly*, and there is a line, according to my husband it's a fine line between sexy and slutty and the nature of the line is "does it make me wonder or can I actually see it?"

I think being sexy has nothing to do with what you wear and all about how you carry yourself, but then again I am a woman so how the hell would I know?

A person who is sexy doesn't need to show their underwear to prove it, a person who needs to show more than is acceptable to get attention probably has more problems than what can be fixed by clothing.







* I don't even know if that is a word.....

Definitely not in your case.:p

It has nothing to do with what they wear but lets be honest, most sluts arent the most prudent when it comes to safe sex.
Arguing against that will be pointless, I'm sure, so I'll just say that either way, it doesn't make it right to generalise and make snap judgements based on clothing.

Strapless bras are uncomfortable and no one is hurt by seeing my bra straps.
nobody is hurt if I go to church butt naked either. I am not talking about anyone being hurt, I was asked what I found appropriate, I don't find showing underwear to be appropriate.

I have a strapless bra that is comfortable, but it cost me $95, so it's not really an option for everyone, before I had it I just didn't buy shirts that would require one.......


Why? Bra straps are just fabric, what on earth is so offensive about fabric?
it's not the fabric, it's the fact that it's underwear.

I could also theoretically go without a bra, but then there's the issue of when it gets chilly and things get poky... or when shirts aren't the thickest and most opaque material.
yeah, I get that. You might try a very thin strapped bra and pin it to the straps of your shirt, that way you get less slippage, and still have protection, also a bra that's the same color or very close to your skin tone will keep things from "showing through"

if all else fails, there is the tape thingys, but they hurt coming off.

What exactly is an "it" girl?

stupid...they are girls who party for a living, usually models or just plain rich!

What exactly is an "it" girl?
Well, here's Jodie Marsh (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/alexxshannon/jodiemarsh.jpg)....
*shudders*

and here's a description of It girls (http://www.answers.com/IT+girl?nafid=3) *nods*

stupid...they are girls who party for a living, usually models or just plain rich!

Ah, so sluts. Yes, I understand. ;)

What exactly is an "it" girl?


The writer William Donaldson observed that, having initially been coined in the 1920s, the term was applied in the 1990s to describe "a young woman of noticeable 'sex appeal' who occupied herself by shoe shopping and party-going" (Brewer's Rogues, Villains and Eccentrics, 2002). At around the same time the term "posh tart" was coined as a broad equivalent, though this tended to be reserved for those, such as Palmer-Tomkinson and Lady Victoria Hervey, daughter of the 6th Marquess of Bristol, who came from the "higher" echelons of society.

The reign of an "It girl" usually lasts around a year, when they will either become a full-fledged celebrity or their popularity will fade. This term usually has a wide appeal, as compared to a teen idol, which is usually a niche audience

Basically a z-list celeb famous for appearing in newspapers and at other celebs parties or on the town wearing as little as possible. Famous for being a slut basically. :rolleyes:

it's underwear, meaning it goes on under your clothes. I don't like seeing bra straps and thongs anymore than I want to see undershirts and tighty-whiteys on men......it's just not right.
So when I wear a tank top with thick straps and a racerback, it's horribly offensive to you? Aww, muffin, I'll just rearrange my wardrobe and abandon everything that's comfortable to make people like you happy.

Personally i find seeing a woman with a thong riding half-way up her back a REAL turn-off.

See- I dont find it sexy or slutty- I'm just glad I'll have something to floss with when I'm through with her.

Well, here's Jodie Marsh (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/alexxshannon/jodiemarsh.jpg)....
*shudders*
see? that is against all the rules in my house

shorts/skirts/dresses must be at least finger tip length (if you stand and put your hands to your sides your finger tips better be touching fabric and not skin)

no tummy showing


no fur, glitter, rhinestones, boas etc.

shoulders bare if chest is covered.......

yeah we are strict.

To me its not a fine line at all. I don't find slutty girls or girls who appear to be slutty the at least bit sexy. Any girl that walks around with her tits hanging out or will do me as soon as I say hello, is not very attractive to me at all. I perfer a girl who leaves something to the imagination and makes me work for it. Some guys dont, and to them I say have fun with your diseases.
Yes, every girl who doesn't cover herself head to toe is a disease-ridden slut.

So when I wear a tank top with thick straps and a racerback, it's horribly offensive to you?
no, inappropriate in my opinion.

Aww, muffin, I'll just rearrange my wardrobe and abandon everything that's comfortable to make people like you happy.
why? I am not trying to force you to wear anything or 'not' wear anything.

I was asked what I think, I said what I think.

Why does my opinion annoy you so much?

Well, here's Jodie Marsh (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/alexxshannon/jodiemarsh.jpg)....
*shudders*

If I was her father I might be having heart failure right now.

See- I dont find it sexy or slutty- I'm just glad I'll have something to floss with when I'm through with her.

*ROFL*

I do like thongs, but not when they're way high up the back - it makes me cringe

see? that is against all the rules in my house

shorts/skirts/dresses must be at least finger tip length (if you stand and put your hands to your sides your finger tips better be touching fabric and not skin)

no tummy showing


no fur, glitter, rhinestones, boas etc.

shoulders bare if chest is covered.......

yeah we are strict.
I would go nuts in your house.

Due to my height, especially the fact that my limbs are longer (proportionately) than my torso, any skirt that's supposed to go above the knee is well below my fingertips. Most shirts that fit me width wise in the torso are too short to cover my tummy all the time.

And forbidding glitter, rhinestones and boas is just stupid, imo.

Basically a z-list celeb famous for appearing in newspapers and at other celebs parties or on the town wearing as little as possible. Famous for being a slut basically. :rolleyes:

ohh..........Paris Hilton

so there are entire cultures filled with nothing but slutty people, yeah?

that is your opinion.

I wonder in how many ways you are similar...

Hehe, well, I should be around a fair bit... don't know what's gonna happen when I'm off to college (UK college) but I'll do my best to add some excitement to your NS browsing experience... ;) :P



Well-we are both characters.

Good. Having you around is nice. I could get used to grinning.

Yes, every girl who doesn't cover herself head to toe is a disease-ridden slut.

no, every girl who has sex with any elongated object that stands still long enough, is a disease-ridden slut.

look, anybody who has a sense of decency is not a member of the taliban. Forcing womaen to not go topless is not oppressive, IMHO

see? that is against all the rules in my house

shorts/skirts/dresses must be at least finger tip length (if you stand and put your hands to your sides your finger tips better be touching fabric and not skin)

no tummy showing


no fur, glitter, rhinestones, boas etc.

shoulders bare if chest is covered.......

yeah we are strict.

That pic of Jodie was tame by comparison. There was a pic in the papers of her basically wearing something that looked like two belts which just covered her nipples. (1 belt strap for each). That kind of outfit is not for anything other than porn in my eyes.

no, inappropriate in my opinion.
Well, I don't consider it inappropriate, nor do people I encounter on a day to day basis. Hell, my grandmother is perfectly fine with my attire, she's bought me such shirts.

why? I am not trying to force you to wear anything or 'not' wear anything.
No, you're just insulting the way I dress.

Why does my opinion annoy you so much?
Because it's a rather judgemental opinion and it seems like you're trying to portray your wardrobe choices as the "appropriate" or correct way to dress and other ways of dress as being wrong.

ohh..........Paris Hilton

EXACTLY!!!!!

If I was her father I might be having heart failure right now.

or be standing behind her with a shotgun.
I think jodie marsh looks like a slut, and very ugly but all tarted up.I would hate to be famous for looking like a slut, but I wouldnt stop anyone else from doing it....

I would go nuts in your house.
lots of people would

Due to my height, especially the fact that my limbs are longer (proportionately) than my torso, any skirt that's supposed to go above the knee is well below my fingertips. Most shirts that fit me width wise in the torso are too short to cover my tummy all the time.
I get it, I am not in the proportion of what most styles of clothes require, I have a hard time finding dresses, being 5ft 2in and 36 DD, most dresses that fit up top are way too loose and long on bottom. I mostly have to find 2 peice outfits and I still have to get my jeans taylored and my skirts hemmed.

And forbidding glitter, rhinestones and boas is just stupid, imo.
my house, my rules ;) we have stuff like that for dress-up time, but not everyday wear.

They aren't allowed bikini's or those pants with words like "Angel" on the butt either.

see? that is against all the rules in my house

shorts/skirts/dresses must be at least finger tip length (if you stand and put your hands to your sides your finger tips better be touching fabric and not skin)

no tummy showing


no fur, glitter, rhinestones, boas etc.

shoulders bare if chest is covered.......

yeah we are strict.
I don't think it's too strict (though I think I've probably broken all those "rules" from a young age, while I'd never describe myself as a slut, and I know no-one personally who would), especially taking into consideration your childrens' ages... to what age would you keep those rules though? when would they be allowed to make their own choices?

and while I don't share the same ideas of appropriateness or whatever, I still think she looks awful. Not because she's wearing skimpy clothing necessarily, but simply the clothes, body, make up, hair, facial features are all unattractive to me, perhaps because of the artificialness and obvious attention-seeking.

no, every girl who has sex with any elongated object that stands still long enough, is a disease-ridden slut.
Uh huh... and the manner of dress is an indication of that?

And of course, there's no such thing as a condom...

*ROFL*

I do like thongs, but not when they're way high up the back - it makes me cringe

They are often concealing the absurd tatoo of a dolphin or butterfly emerging from the asscrack.

Well, I don't consider it inappropriate, nor do people I encounter on a day to day basis. Hell, my grandmother is perfectly fine with my attire, she's bought me such shirts.
good for you.


No, you're just insulting the way I dress.
why do you care? clothes are just fabric.


Because it's a rather judgemental opinion and it seems like you're trying to portray your wardrobe choices as the "appropriate" or correct way to dress and other ways of dress as being wrong.
there is a such thing as appropriate dress, whether or not my personal standards are those is a whole different debate. I was asked what I think, I said what I think. I don't understand the problem.

I would go nuts in your house.

Due to my height, especially the fact that my limbs are longer (proportionately) than my torso, any skirt that's supposed to go above the knee is well below my fingertips. Most shirts that fit me width wise in the torso are too short to cover my tummy all the time.

And forbidding glitter, rhinestones and boas is just stupid, imo.

she has a right to decide what she believes is appropiate decent or not.We may think that it ott but thats not our place, just as it is not our place to tell someone we thinks looks like a slut to dress more decently!

I get it, I am not in the proportion of what most styles of clothes require, I have a hard time finding dresses, being 5ft 2in and 36 DD, most dresses that fit up top are way too loose and long on bottom. I mostly have to find 2 peice outfits and I still have to get my jeans taylored and my skirts hemmed.
To be honest, you shorter women have it easy, not only do you have an entire section in most department stores to cater to you (petites) but it's much easier to hem something than it is to add length.

my house, my rules ;) we have stuff like that for dress-up time, but not everyday wear.
Well, that's fair enough, although I never see anything wrong with a bit of body glitter... and I've never had occasion to wear a boa (but believe me, if I found an excuse to wear one I would)

They aren't allowed bikini's or those pants with words like "Angel" on the butt either.
Pants with words on the ass are dumb anyways, you should keep your kids away from those because they're stupid more than anything... as for the bikinis... well, that would depend how old your kids are... I mean, when I was little I had bikinis, I get the feeling that it was because I grew fast and buying two piece suits prevented my parents from having to buy new ones all the time... but then if they're just hitting their teens then that might be a bit of an issue.

or be standing behind her with a shotgun.
she deserves to be shot for the way she dresses?? either i'm missing some other meaning because i'm tired, or that's a ridiculously OTT response, even if said in jest...

no, every girl who has sex with any elongated object that stands still long enough, is a disease-ridden slut.
....
what Dakini said.

Well-we are both characters.

Good. Having you around is nice. I could get used to grinning.
Heh, that's for sure....

And making people grin is always fun. I do love provoking reaction to my words and actions....

(coincidentally, I wonder how many people would find the flirting I do slutty? just a thought...
I'm happy with the amount of it, and PM is (and if he ever wasn't all he'd ever have to do was say) so that's all that matters to me)

those pants with words like "Angel" on the butt either.
I have to say I don't like those either... though it's more the wording than the placement. Ones saying "sexy", "gorgeous", "princess".... they all annoy me :P

I have to say I don't like those either... though it's more the wording than the placement. Ones saying "sexy", "gorgeous", "princess".... they all annoy me :P

they should just stop beating around the bush and make pants that plainly say "look at my ass"

why do you care? clothes are just fabric.
And I happen to like what I wear. I choose to wear what I do, saying that it's inappropriate is insulting my choices, and the absurd suggestion that women who show their bra straps in public are sluts insults me personally. That's why I care.

there is a such thing as appropriate dress, whether or not my personal standards are those is a whole different debate. I was asked what I think, I said what I think. I don't understand the problem.
And your standards are out of whack for the society I encounter on a daily basis, which is really the more important set of standards in my opinion.

she has a right to decide what she believes is appropiate decent or not.We may think that it ott but thats not our place, just as it is not our place to tell someone we thinks looks like a slut to dress more decently!
Doesn't change that it would be impossible for me to fit her standards for appropriate attire without buying clothing several sizes too big.

They are often concealing the absurd tatoo of a dolphin or butterfly emerging from the asscrack.

badly concealing maybe and that doesn't bother me as I like tattoos.

thing is, Sexy and Slutty isn't just the clothes, it's also the attitude of both the wearer and the observer.

clothes that I would consider Slutty on some, may be Sexy on others... and vice versa.

there really cannot be a line to separate the two.

it's like saying where is the line for things that people find annoying?

Uh huh... and the manner of dress is an indication of that?

nobody ever said that.

And of course, there's no such thing as a condom...

yup, just like theres no such thing as herpes simplex or condoms failing

I don't think it's too strict (though I think I've probably broken all those "rules" from a young age, while I'd never describe myself as a slut, and I know no-one personally who would), especially taking into consideration your childrens' ages... to what age would you keep those rules though? when would they be allowed to make their own choices?
Some of the rules won't be lifted until they move out, others can be lifted as we see that they are able to make acceptable choices.
To be honest, you shorter women have it easy, not only do you have an entire section in most department stores to cater to you (petites) but it's much easier to hem something than it is to add length.
true. Although the petites still have to be hemmed for me, and sometimes the clothes I need don't come in a petite length, I have to get "average" and hem them a LOT. It sucks not being able to wear "off the rack" huh?;)


Well, that's fair enough, although I never see anything wrong with a bit of body glitter... and I've never had occasion to wear a boa (but believe me, if I found an excuse to wear one I would)
we are all about drawing attention through our personality, and not by "being sparkley"





I have to say I don't like those either... though it's more the wording than the placement. Ones saying "sexy", "gorgeous", "princess".... they all annoy me :P

It's more placement for us, why would we want to draw attention to our little girl's butts? I have a thing against the shirts with words across the breast area too, most often they are in rhinestones and say things like "bad girl" and "sexy" and I find them trashy.

look, anybody who has a sense of decency is not a member of the taliban. Forcing womaen to not go topless is not oppressive, IMHO
I'm sure that the taliban would argue that they just have a sense of decency and everyone else doesn't too.

And yes, forbidding women from going topless is rather oppressive, they're just boobs, if they weren't so taboo then no one would have issues with them being seen.

she deserves to be shot for the way she dresses?? either i'm missing some other meaning because i'm tired, or that's a ridiculously OTT response, even if said in jest...


....
what Dakini said.


Heh, that's for sure....

And making people grin is always fun. I do love provoking reaction to my words and actions....

(coincidentally, I wonder how many people would find the flirting I do slutty? just a thought...
I'm happy with the amount of it, and PM is (and if he ever wasn't all he'd ever have to do was say) so that's all that matters to me)


I have to say I don't like those either... though it's more the wording than the placement. Ones saying "sexy", "gorgeous", "princess".... they all annoy me :P

you dont understand me.I mean that if I was her father I would want a shotgun to keep away lecherous guys,not that she should be shot!!!!:p ha

nobody ever said that.
Really?

Any girl that walks around with her tits hanging out or will do me as soon as I say hello, is not very attractive to me at all. I perfer a girl who leaves something to the imagination and makes me work for it. Some guys dont, and to them I say have fun with your diseases.
This clearly implies that women who dress in skimpy clothes are disease-ridden.

yup, just like theres no such thing as herpes simplex or condoms failing
Yup, and no one who has sex with more than one partner in their lifetime screens their partners or asks them about their sexual history or asks them about any diseases or to get checkups before fucking them. Everyone who isn't a prude is an idiot.

And I happen to like what I wear. I choose to wear what I do, saying that it's inappropriate is insulting my choices, and the absurd suggestion that women who show their bra straps in public are sluts insults me personally. That's why I care.


And your standards are out of whack for the society I encounter on a daily basis, which is really the more important set of standards in my opinion.

so the 'norm' is always right.You are criticising her for apparently insulting your choices, yet you are insulting her choices for being out of kilter for society.As she said, her sandards-what she wants to wear, what her opinion was, not telling you what to waer!

And I happen to like what I wear. I choose to wear what I do, saying that it's inappropriate is insulting my choices, and the absurd suggestion that women who show their bra straps in public are sluts insults me personally. That's why I care.
you will notice I have tried to refrain from using the word slutty, in fact I have tried very hard to seperate the word "slut" from my opinion on clothes, I think certain things are inappropriate, and someone who goes out of their way to wear them makes me wonder about their true intention.


And your standards are out of whack for the society I encounter on a daily basis, which is really the more important set of standards in my opinion.
society doesn't dictate what I wear. I see the society that I live in and a lot of times what passes for "okay" sickens me, I work to not make myself puke.
Doesn't change that it would be impossible for me to fit her standards for appropriate attire without buying clothing several sizes too big.
you aren't responsible for living up to my standards, I hope that I didn't give you the impression that I want to force you to dress in a certain way (since I have said otherwise a few times)

I do get annoyed with people that say "I have to show my thong, my pants are too low cut", why don't they just say what's true " I want to show my thong"

so the 'norm' is always right.You are criticising her for apparently insulting your choices, yet you are insulting her choices for being out of kilter for society.As she said, her sandards-what she wants to wear, what her opinion was, not telling you what to waer!
No, the norm isn't always right, but saying that my clothing is inappropriate is much more insulting than me saying that she's behind the times.

Doesn't change that it would be impossible for me to fit her standards for appropriate attire without buying clothing several sizes too big.

you dont have to fit her standards, only your own.they are her standards which she wants to follow.you wear what you deem appropriate,and she will what she finds appropriate.you act like she is having a go at you, shes not, she is giving her opinion!
I can never find anything that fits,too tall for most trousers,if I find longer ones they dont fit my waist.If I buy tops that fit round my boobs they swim on me and if I want them to fit elsewhere,like my waist or back they wont fir rounf my boobs.I have to make alterations on eveything!

No, the norm isn't always right, but saying that my clothing is inappropriate is much more insulting than me saying that she's behind the times.

why is it insulting at all? I don't understand.

What's so slutty about showing your underwear? :confused:
I do so all the time. I wear vest tops a lot and the bra straps can usually be seen as well as the sides of the bra if I lift my arms. Funny, I never saw clothes like this as slutty...
http://www.frogpool.com/prod-4322.jpg
I guess I'll have to stop wearing bras then, if seeing their straps gives guys the wrong impression. :rolleyes:

No what they're talking about is wearing a regular bra with a halter top. It just looks wrong. It's okay to wear spaghetti straps and your bra shows a little. It's just people like my sister who wear a racerback bra with a spaghetti strap shirt.

No on the original topic... I think it really depends on where you are going. If you going to a bar or club the line between sexy and slutty may be different than going to the movies. I mean I expect to see some cleavage when I go to a club but really don't want to when I'm in line at the grocery store.

Whenever I get this question I always say dispite what some people say you really do have to please others to a degree. You may need these other people to have a somewhat good opinion of you in the future.

And yes, forbidding women from going topless is rather oppressive, they're just boobs, if they weren't so taboo then no one would have issues with them being seen.

And your standards are out of whack for the society I encounter on a daily basis, which is really the more important set of standards in my opinion.

inconsistancy, much?


pesonally I think going bare-chested is unacceptable for both sexes, except in certain activities, like swimming shorts and two-piece bathing suits are acceptable.

you will notice I have tried to refrain from using the word slutty, in fact I have tried very hard to seperate the word "slut" from my opinion on clothes, I think certain things are inappropriate, and someone who goes out of their way to wear them makes me wonder about their true intention.
I wear tank tops because I like having my arms free and they're comfortable, I don't wear strapless bras becasue they're not comfortable and I don't like them. Thus the bra stra connundrum.

society doesn't dictate what I wear. I see the society that I live in and a lot of times what passes for "okay" sickens me, I work to not make myself puke.
Society doesn't dictate what I wear (only to the extent of I can only wear what society puts in the stores for me to purchase...) but I don't tell people who don't wear tank tops with their bra straps showing, or who wear ankle length dresses that they're dressing "inappropriately" or insulting their attire.

you aren't responsible for living up to my standards, I hope that I didn't give you the impression that I want to force you to dress in a certain way (since I have said otherwise a few times)
Yes, I'm sorry, I get a little defensive in these sorts of threads because unlike you, many boardies seem to take that attitude...

I do get annoyed with people that say "I have to show my thong, my pants are too low cut", why don't they just say what's true " I want to show my thong"
Well, if it makes you feel better, I don't like thongs (comfort factor) although I do wear low cut pants (again, the comfort factor).

The line between slutty and sexy is an entirely artificial one created by a certain group of men to coerce women not to become sexually experienced so that they don't notice how shitty said men are in bed.

;)
Then what's my excuse? No one, not even I, knows how bad I am in bed.:p
you should because nipples are wonderful
I like your logic.
Yeah, I was being silly. I also think it's silly to find showing a bit of bra to be slutty. It's just cotton, what's so bad about it?

:confused:
Everything, which is why you shouldn't wear them...*cough* <.<
I know and I agree that it is silly to thik that. its just fabric. its all personaly subjective opinion and so therefore really doesnt matter what other people think. if they have a problem with it then they can have a problem with it while I enjoy it. problem solved.
No. There is no problem to solve from your perspective. And their problems aren't your problems, so they don't exist to you....
its that whole "decency" thing.
People tell me that and dignity really are inhibitions....
Personally i find seeing a woman with a thong riding half-way up her back a REAL turn-off.
I quite agree
Clothes are overrated.
So stop wearing those, too....;)
yeah, sweatshirt.

I look sexy in my sweatshirt. ;)
*imagination runs wild*
Strapless bras are uncomfortable and no one is hurt by seeing my bra straps.


Why? Bra straps are just fabric, what on earth is so offensive about fabric?
I could also theoretically go without a bra, but then there's the issue of when it gets chilly and things get poky... or when shirts aren't the thickest and most opaque material.
That's not the only time they get pokey, though, is it?;)
So when I wear a tank top with thick straps and a racerback, it's horribly offensive to you? Aww, muffin, I'll just rearrange my wardrobe and abandon everything that's comfortable to make people like you happy.
I find it offensive that you still have it on.[/sleazy]
why do you care? clothes are just fabric.
My how they switch places so easily...
they should just stop beating around the bush and make pants that plainly say "look at my ass"

They don't need to do that. We look anyway.

inconsistancy, much?


pesonally I think going bare-chested is unacceptable for both sexes, except in certain activities, like swimming shorts and two-piece bathing suits are acceptable.
Uh... I live in Ontario, where it is legal for women to go about topless. Most don't, but it is acceptable for women to do so in most situations (public pools are the exception... a very stupid exception in my opinion...)

filthy whores- the lot of you ! :p

That's not the only time they get pokey, though, is it?;)
Yes, but I'm generally not in plain view of the public during those other situations... ;)

I find it offensive that you still have it on.[/sleazy]
*gasp*
*blushes*

My how they switch places so easily...


you know how they give you snake venom as an antidote when you get bitten by a snake?

you know how they give you snake venom as an antidote when you get bitten by a snake?

lol NO:D

why is it insulting at all? I don't understand.
Because it sounds condescending in a way. Like you're better than me because you know the right way to dress and like I'm some sort of boor for dressing otherwise.

why is it insulting at all? I don't understand.

me neither, you are just giving your opinion when you were asked.Why is it more offensive to have the opinion that you like to dress 'decently' than wanting to wander around naked.Neither is more offensive, they are both opinions,equally non offensive.Neither is asking for you to wear clothes according to someone elses opinion..

filthy whores- the lot of you ! :p

Whatever.........trick. Pay up!:p

Because it sounds condescending in a way. Like you're better than me because you know the right way to dress and like I'm some sort of boor for dressing otherwise.
I don't mean to "make you feel bad" but my opinion is my opinion, if you really can't ignore opinions that you don't like, I don't know that it's my problem. I could really care less that you think I am "behind the times" because I don't wish to show my underwear at every opportunity.

I don't mean to "make you feel bad" but my opinion is my opinion, if you really can't ignore opinions that you don't like, I don't know that it's my problem. I could really care less that you think I am "behind the times" because I don't wish to show my underwear at every opportunity.
Well, like I said in an earlier post "I'm sorry I got a little defensive..." you might not have been suggesting that everyone should dress in a certain manner, but others often do in these sorts of threads. And it's not a matter of feeling bad, you're insulting my attire. Not something I would do to you.

I'm sure that the taliban would argue that they just have a sense of decency and everyone else doesn't too.

And yes, forbidding women from going topless is rather oppressive, they're just boobs, if they weren't so taboo then no one would have issues with them being seen.
But they are taboo....not that I think it should be so, just that it is....
filthy whores- the lot of you ! :p
If you were a woman, I'd have something to say to you.:p
Yes, but I'm generally not in plain view of the public during those other situations... ;)


*gasp*
*blushes*
Your nation or mine?;) [/sleazy]
you know how they give you snake venom as an antidote when you get bitten by a snake?

No, that's not how it works. They give you snake venom beforehand so you can build up an immunity.

you dont understand me.I mean that if I was her father I would want a shotgun to keep away lecherous guys,not that she should be shot!!!!:p ha
Ahhhhh...... I blame the tiredness..... sorry :p

It's more placement for us, why would we want to draw attention to our little girl's butts?
oh, definitly at that age I'd understand the placement issue.
I have a thing against the shirts with words across the breast area too, most often they are in rhinestones and say things like "bad girl" and "sexy" and I find them trashy.
Those I tend to find trashy too, though you can get plenty of t-shirts with words across the breast area that are nothing like that. I've heard guys ask "do girls buy tops with words on the front just to get guys to look at their chest?" when actually it's often just because they'll like the design, or find it funny, or think it's pretty or whatever...

If you were a woman, I'd have something to say to you.:p



"turn around bitch I git a use for you
besides-you aint got nuthin' better to do
and I'm bored"


thats what I usually say to the all the whores

:p

It's more placement for us, why would we want to draw attention to our little girl's butts? I have a thing against the shirts with words across the breast area too, most often they are in rhinestones and say things like "bad girl" and "sexy" and I find them trashy.

I agree. My daughter is only 2 1/2 now, but she will never be wearing that low cut crap that says "bitch" "princess" or anything else for that matter, across her ass.

Ahhhhh...... I blame the tiredness..... sorry :p


oh, definitly at that age I'd understand the placement issue.

Those I tend to find trashy too, though you can get plenty of t-shirts with words across the breast area that are nothing like that. I've heard guys ask "do girls buy tops with words on the front just to get guys to look at their chest?" when actually it's often just because they'll like the design, or find it funny, or think it's pretty or whatever...

no worries,Im often misunderstood:( (:p )I agree about the placement things,what I dont like are the tops with handprints over the breasts.Go on wear one, but I wouldnt myself, I would be worrieed about people putting their handsm on the handprints!

"turn around bitch I git a use for you
besides-you aint got nuthin' better to do
and I'm bored"


thats what I usually say to the all the whores

:p
charming :p they all fall at their knees, don't they? or are they pushed down....?

So what if my tits hang out?!

"turn around bitch I git a use for you
besides-you aint got nuthin' better to do
and I'm bored"


thats what I usually say to the all the whores

:p

Guns and roses have a lot to answer for(but I love them)Is that from 'back off bitch'?

charming :p they all fall at their knees, don't they? or are they pushed down....?

if they dont, I push them there quickly.

You have to know how to deal with people, Glitzy. Some need a subtle approach-with others more direct.

I'm a great communicator.:p

I don't think there really is a line. That is to say, I don't think they are ranges in the same measurement - they are different concepts. One is about attractiveness, the other is more open to interpretation: does the woman have to have very low or non-existent standards, or merely reject relationships in favour of short-term involvements and one-night stands? Alternatively, it could be a woman who gets into relationships, but then has affairs with other people.

I would like to add that I don't see how showing a bra strap should make me think "that woman will have sex with anyone". All it tells me is that she's wearing a bra, which I could have guessed anyway.

Guns and roses have a lot to answer for(but I love them)Is that from 'back off bitch'?

No...I,uh-made that up myself. *L*


I dont remember the title- I thought it was "Its so easy" ?

Now I have to dig that cd out-Its playing in my head.

no worries,Im often misunderstood:( (:p )I agree about the placement things,what I dont like are the tops with handprints over the breasts.Go on wear one, but I wouldnt myself, I would be worrieed about people putting their handsm on the handprints!
it shows you what crazy view you can encounter on NS that I thought you'd expect a father to shoot his daughter for "being slutty".... :p :(

yeah, I know those tops... I'm not exactly fond of them either, especially for young children... it's blatantly sexual and drawing attention the breasts. even low cut tops can be argued to be worn because they're more flattering (for larger chests, the vast majority of non-vneck tops just make you look like a blob), but handprints on the breasts are just inviting everyone you pass on the street to imagine touching you... I'd be incredibly uncomfortable with that myself, though if someone has no problem with that, then fine by me *shrugs*

"turn around bitch I git a use for you
besides-you aint got nuthin' better to do
and I'm bored"


thats what I usually say to the all the whores

:p
charming :p they all fall at their knees, don't they? or are they pushed down....?

Not this one, either way.;):p

Well, like I said in an earlier post "I'm sorry I got a little defensive..." you might not have been suggesting that everyone should dress in a certain manner, but others often do in these sorts of threads. And it's not a matter of feeling bad, you're insulting my attire. Not something I would do to you.

I still don't understand how my opinion is insulting.

if they dont, I push them there quickly.

You have to know how to deal with people, Glitzy. Some need a subtle approach-with others more direct.

I'm a great communicator.:p
Heh, as I can see... :p

oh, and some don't need to be asked, let alone pushed....

I still don't understand how my opinion is insulting.
Because you're calling my way of dressing inappropriate. How is that not insulting?

No...I,uh-made that up myself. *L*


I dont remember the title- I thought it was "Its so easy" ?

Now I have to dig that cd out-Its playing in my head.

true, your right.Just got out my cd's....I just love gnr:)

Not this one, either way.;):p
Huh? I'm tired and confused... Was there some insinuation that I'm a whore? :eek:

I still don't understand how my opinion is insulting.

Damn you Smunkee and your redneck opinions! Pipe down! Here.....have a cookie! :D

Because you're calling my way of dressing inappropriate. How is that not insulting?

inappropriate for her,not for you.Unless your uncomfortable with the way you dress?

Because you're calling my way of dressing inappropriate. How is that not insulting?

if you don't find it inappropriate then why does it matter?

people think I homeschool so that I can indoctrinate my kids, I know that's not why I do it so I don't care what they think.

Even if it is inappropriate how is it an insult, it's not saying anything about you, it only says that I don't agree with your choice.

I don't agree with some of the choices my kids make, it doesn't mean I think they are bad, just that I don't agree with the choice they made, it's not an insult.

inappropriate for her,not for you.Unless your uncomfortable with the way you dress?
I like the way I dress, she's saying it's inappropriate, she never specified for her, in fact there were a couple of times where she said that she thought it was inappropriate in general to have bra straps showing.

if you don't find it inappropriate then why does it matter?
What I think doesn't make it any less of an insult. If I say "Majoring in English is pointless and silly." and you are an English major, would this not be an insult? Does whether you care what I think or not make it any less of an insult?

The female body is beautiful and we should be proud of it, not have to hide it. http://www.aspsmiley.com/smiley/smilies/kiss.gif

Personally Dakini I think you should always dress in that kitty costume.

I bet it doesn't matter what you wear, I think you'd be a head turner in a burka.

OH, I also don't think Smunkee meant to be insulting.

The female body is beautiful and we should be proud of it, not have to hide it. http://www.aspsmiley.com/smiley/smilies/kiss.gif

yes it is - I never have a problem with seeing lotsa exposure and the way someone dresses doesnt make me automatically assume she puts out for everybody.

There is nothing wrong with liking guys drooling over you. I enjoy doing the drooling :p

Slutty is what people call a woman that holds attitudes towards sex traditionaly held by men. Sexy is when a woman dosn't give a shit about others say she should dress or act.

Huh? I'm tired and confused... Was there some insinuation that I'm a whore? :eek:
:eek: No! Just that I am, but wouldn't get on me knees for him even if pushed....now, for you, on the other hand...;)
Personally Dakini I think you should always dress in that kitty costume.

I have no objection to this.;)

What I think doesn't make it any less of an insult. If I say "Majoring in English is pointless and silly." and you are an English major, would this not be an insult? Does whether you care what I think or not make it any less of an insult?

If you thought that majoring in english is pointless and I am an english major then I dont care, I may disagree with you but I dont mind that you have that opinion.Its not like she was calling you a slut, she just said that she doesnt find certain types of clothing appropiate.I wear strap tops with my bra straps showing.I wear very short shorts(but as you know already no cleavage if Im wearing short shorts,because I choose not to, not because its more moral or anything, its what I choose, its my opinion,if someone else thinks its wrong so what?dont worry about it, if you are happy with your choices,no worries!!

The female body is beautiful and we should be proud of it, not have to hide it. http://www.aspsmiley.com/smiley/smilies/kiss.gif

http://gurukitty.com/forum/Smileys/default/hug.gif

What I think doesn't make it any less of an insult. If I say "Majoring in English is pointless and silly." and you are an English major, would this not be an insult? Does whether you care what I think or not make it any less of an insult?

so earlier when you said that my decision to not let my girls where fur and boas was "stupid" then you were insulting me? you think I am stupid?

that's not very nice. :(

:eek: No! Just that I am, but wouldn't get on me knees for him even if pushed....now, for you, on the other hand...;)

Good good....
(now you just have to figure out what that is in reference to ;) :p)

Two possible lines-

How puritan the society is.

or

Whether or not the girl in question is going to let you do anything about it. If you, sexy. If not you, slutty.

Niether are really fair.

Being a big ugly dude who doesn't have a daughter I don't have to worry about it.

The reason there is a fine line between sexy and slutty is that it's not just about how one dresses, but also how one carries themself as well. Hence why the same outfit might look sexy on one person yet slutty on another. The rules of sexy and slutty apply for men and women both.

Sexy is sophistication, class, maturity, itelligence, leaving something to desire, self control, self respect, and compasion.

Slutty is unclassy behaviour, immaturity, impulsivity, leaving nothing to the imagination, promiscuty, impulsive behaviour, and no respect for one self or others.

Sometimes dressing slutty makes others believe you have unattractive behavioural qualities, and hence forth why it's often looked down upon and the other way around for dressing sexy and sophistcated.

It's all in how one carries themselves.

I agree. My daughter is only 2 1/2 now, but she will never be wearing that low cut crap that says "bitch" "princess" or anything else for that matter, across her ass.
I have a pair of sweats that say "BEAT ARMY" across the butt. What about those? (I got em at the Midn Store in Annapolis)

I have a pair of sweats that say "BEAT ARMY" across the butt. What about those? (I got em at the Midn Store in Annapolis)

sounds like you belong to some sort of masturbation club.........:eek:

no worries,Im often misunderstood:( (:p )I agree about the placement things,what I dont like are the tops with handprints over the breasts.Go on wear one, but I wouldnt myself, I would be worrieed about people putting their handsm on the handprints!
My uni sold shirts like that...but it was to promote breast cancer awareness (and performing self checks, etc). I never notice anything....are these handprints shirts commonly for fashion or are they like the breast cancer shirts?

The reason there is a fine line between sexy and slutty is that it's not just about how one dresses, but also how one carries themself as well. Hence why the same outfit might look sexy on one person yet slutty on another. The rules of sexy and slutty apply for men and women both.

Sexy is sophistication, class, maturity, itelligence, leaving something to desire, self control, self respect, and compasion.

Slutty is unclassy behaviour, immaturity, impulsivity, leaving nothing to the imagination, promiscuty, impulsive behaviour, and no respect for one self or others.

Sometimes dressing slutty makes others believe you have unattractive behavioural qualities, and hence forth why it's often looked down upon and the other way around for dressing sexy and sophistcated.

It's all in how one carries themselves.

I can agree with that.....its shallow but people judge you by what you look like and how you dress.sad but true, and Im in the real world.If I dress 'indecently' people will think about me in a certain way, assume that I have certain traits.But thats not my main reason, I feel uncomfortable being too exposed.

sounds like you belong to some sort of masturbation club.........:eek:

Quality. Which understates how hard I'm laughing right now...

My uni sold shirts like that...but it was to promote breast cancer awareness (and performing self checks, etc). I never notice anything....are these handprints shirts commonly for fashion or are they like the breast cancer shirts?

they are fashion ones.here in the uk the cancer awareness shirts have green targets ion them(you know, like archery targets)

so earlier when you said that my decision to not let my girls where fur and boas was "stupid" then you were insulting me? you think I am stupid?

that's not very nice. :(
Sorry. I didn't mean to be insulting... it's rather silly to think that boas (I don't disagree with the lack of fur) and glitter are inappropriate though... I mean, they're fun, not in any way "slutty".

I have a pair of sweats that say "BEAT ARMY" across the butt. What about those? (I got em at the Midn Store in Annapolis)

I dont ,mind adults wearing words over their breasts, only certain ones I dont like eg the handprint ones.I dont mind on the bum either, I myself have jeans with welsh dragons on the arse pockets.

Good good....
(now you just have to figure out what that is in reference to ;) :p)
Are you sure you really want to leave that to my imagination...er, judgement?;):p
sounds like you belong to some sort of masturbation club.........:eek:
No, "beating" applies to the phallus, iirc, which would mean she...:eek: Oh my...*blushes*
Quality. Which understates how hard I'm laughing right now...

I had to wait a bit to even click the multiquote buttons.:D

Quality. Which understates how hard I'm laughing right now...
glad to be of service.

Sorry. I didn't mean to be insulting... it's rather silly to think that boas (I don't disagree with the lack of fur) and glitter are inappropriate though... I mean, they're fun, not in any way "slutty".
I didn't think it was an insult, but if you meant it as one.........:confused: I was pointing out that every adverse opinion is not some type of insult on another just because they don't agree.

I don't think glitter, fur and boas are slutty, I think they are inappropriate attire unless it's dress-up play time.

glad to be of service.

You can service me any time.;)

Heh, as I can see... :p

oh, and some don't need to be asked, let alone pushed....

Well-some of us like to get physical. I might ask in a polite tone as I man- handle you.


"its so easy but nothing seems to please me..."

You can service me any time.;)

check your fluids and a lube, eh?

You can service me any time.;)

:eek: .............. I'm telling!

sounds like you belong to some sort of masturbation club.........:eek:

that is so freaking funny-I did need a laugh Thanks!:D

Well-some of us like to get physical. I might ask in a polite tone as I man- handle you.


"its so easy but nothing seems to please me..."

'I see your sister in her sunday dress....'tee hee hee!

Well-some of us like to get physical. I might ask in a polite tone as I man- handle you.


"its so easy but nothing seems to please me..."

'I see your sister in her sunday dress....'tee hee hee!

Well-some of us like to get physical. I might ask in a polite tone as I man- handle you.


"its so easy but nothing seems to please me..."
Oh I definitly am not one to refuse the getting physical....

:eek: .............. I'm telling!

check your fluids and a lube, eh?

Maybe I'd better not say....

So what if my tits hang out?!
You tell 'em Ruffy! ;) :fluffle:
sounds like you belong to some sort of masturbation club.........:eek:
:eek:
......
It's because of the football rivalry between the Naval Academy and West Point.

In one of my recent blog post, I commented on why women sometimes get hooked up with bad guys, or mistreated, and one of the thing I commented on was how women dress. I think there is a line between dressing sexy, and dressing like a prositute. However, the question is, where is this line? I think if you can see the woman's bra, or one sneeze from the woman the suprise is out, then they crossed the line. Also, you can sometimes tell when they crossed the line. So what do yall think, is there a line between Sexy and Slutty, and where is that line?I think that that definition is fairly erroneous, as it would label any woman that wears nothing on a nude beach a slut.

so there are entire cultures filled with nothing but slutty people, yeah?

that is your opinion.

no, it appears to be yours, and i find it confusing (to say the least).

To me, the line is drawn between using one's imagination vs not needing imagination.

"sexy" tantalizes, offers a bit of fantasy, but always requires at least some imagination on the part of the observer...

"Slutty" requires no imagination, or very, very little by way of Imagination.

You tell 'em Ruffy! ;) :fluffle:


I feel pretty.. oh so pretty..

:cool:

I feel pretty.. oh so pretty..

:cool:

and you are!:D

I feel pretty.. oh so pretty..

:cool:

Those rumors are entirely unfounded.

and you are!:D

Don't lie to the poor bastard...:(

Don't lie to the poor bastard...:(

well, Ive never seen him,so.....
anyway thats not the piont, is he sexy or is he a slut....
that brings up a valid non jokey question.
It seems to me that a very beutiful girl can wear the same outfit at an ugly girl and be sexy, while the ugly one is slutty.Is this because we dont find ugly girls sexy, only slutty.Or perhaps is the pritty one sexy because she doesnt appear to be as desperate as the ugly girl(to get noticed by wearing skimpy clothes)as whatever she wears she will be noticed,and the ugly girl seems to be slutty because she is wearing skimpy clothes because she is desperate.Thats how it seems to me that people think.Im not necesarily saying thats rigth, and I certainly dont think that way, but do any of you think that some people think this way?(I hope that wasnt too confusing as Im tired and emotional;) )

Girls look slutty when they stand at street corners and they get into cars that stop in front of them.

well, Ive never seen him,so.....
anyway thats not the piont, is he sexy or is he a slut....
that brings up a valid non jokey question.
It seems to me that a very beutiful girl can wear the same outfit at an ugly girl and be sexy, while the ugly one is slutty.Is this because we dont find ugly girls sexy, only slutty.Or perhaps is the pritty one sexy because she doesnt appear to be as desperate as the ugly girl(to get noticed by wearing skimpy clothes)as whatever she wears she will be noticed,and the ugly girl seems to be slutty because she is wearing skimpy clothes because she is desperate.Thats how it seems to me that people think.Im not necesarily saying thats rigth, and I certainly dont think that way, but do any of you think that some people think this way?(I hope that wasnt too confusing as Im tired and emotional;) )

I've noticed people tend to think that both the pretty girl and the ugly girl look slutty, it's just that they tend to think the pretty girl is sexy as well, and will be more likely to say sexy to her and others because they're interested. Of course, the idea that clothes in any way indicate sluttiness is preposterous in my opinion, due to the fact that those who show skin sometimes are just proud of their bodies, too proud to be interested in someone who has little more to offer than a meek "I think you're beautiful."

In my case, I wear very little, but it's because I find my natural lines and curves quite beautiful, but as the form of a man looks quite ungraceful and crude, I would never have the least desire to sleep with one. I think part of the problem is that in our society, people don't learn that you can't always have what you want, so they don't realize that a woman 'making' them want them isn't necessarily doing it for them, nor is she theirs to have.

Girls look slutty when they stand at street corners and they get into cars that stop in front of them.

How one sided and sexist!

.. men hoe, too.

I've noticed people tend to think that both the pretty girl and the ugly girl look slutty, it's just that they tend to think the pretty girl is sexy as well, and will be more likely to say sexy to her and others because they're interested. Of course, the idea that clothes in any way indicate sluttiness is preposterous in my opinion, due to the fact that those who show skin sometimes are just proud of their bodies, too proud to be interested in someone who has little more to offer than a meek "I think you're beautiful."

In my case, I wear very little, but it's because I find my natural lines and curves quite beautiful, but as the form of a man looks quite ungraceful and crude, I would never have the least desire to sleep with one. I think part of the problem is that in our society, people don't learn that you can't always have what you want, so they don't realize that a woman 'making' them want them isn't necessarily doing it for them, nor is she theirs to have.

Yeah, youre right, I mean Im not confident enough to wear less clothes than I do.The fact is tho, that whilst some girls may be proud of their bodies, and some may be dressing in less clothes for their own benefit,many dress just to please men, to get attention from men.Obviously its not just what a person wears, its their attiude and their behaviour.Im mean, take jodie marsh, I dont know whether you saw her picture earlier in the thread.She was dressed in a way that,I dont believe can be described as anything but at the very least tarty.But its not just that,its the way she acts and behaves,so I guess that to be slutty rather than sexy you would not just have to look like a prostitute but act like one too(sorry for the crudeness)

How one sided and sexist!

.. men hoe, too.

good point........:p

Yes, every girl who doesn't cover herself head to toe is a disease-ridden slut.

Thats not what I said. If a girl(or guy) will have sex with anything that walks chances are they are going to catch something. It has nothing to do with clothing.

How one sided and sexist!

.. men hoe, too.

This thread was about women, I assumed.


And men don't hoe, men man-hoe. Haven't you ever seen Deuce Bigalow Male Jigalow?

Thats not what I said. If a girl(or guy) will have sex with anything that walks chances are they are going to catch something. It has nothing to do with clothing.

that is true.But this isnt a clothes issue,it an issue of how the girl acts.Many girls I see in cardiff on a friday and saturday night, althought they wear very little, what the problem is,is that they drink one hell of a lot, do a lot of 'bumb and grind'and then sleep with whatever man they find that night, often too drunk to remember protection(or too desperate for male attention that when the guy says he doesnt like condoms she will go along with it to keep the guys interest)

This thread was about women, I assumed.


And men don't hoe, men man-hoe. Haven't you ever seen Deuce Bigalow Male Jigalow?

Its difficult for a man to wear less and be more alluring.I think many people believe that womens bodies are more attrictive.I read once that men get tuned on more by looks,and women more by touch, which could explain why people are more likley to talk about what women wear related to sex then men...I dont know, maybe?

There is definatly a line between sexy and slutty. How a person carries themselves has alot to do with it. It's hard to put it into hard-and-fast rules. Althought when I think about this, I think about a friend of mine, who I think pulls of sexy very well without ever being slutty. Some of her outfits strike me as the definition of this side of sexy-not-slutty. As I said, it's alot in how you carry yourself. Guy and girls.

this whole thing is stupid. sexy people CAN'T look slutty non-sexy people can EASILY lol ok slutty by trying to look like sexy people.

slutty non-sexy people should just go die :eek: :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:

Some of you people have some weird ideas. Who told you that other people's opinions didn't matter? Sometimes someone's opinion of you can be the difference between getting promoted and getting fired.

Whether you like it or not, people tend to form a lot of opinions about your character just from your appearance. Theyy might not let you know, but they'll certaintly be thinking it.

You like being comfortable? Good for you, unfortunately 99.99999% of the people in the world don't care if you're comfortable or not. Do you think all those businessmen like wearing suits and ties in the summer heat? Hell no, but they do it anyway because society expects them too.

I don't know where you live that no one cares about your appearance, but you better stay there or prepare for a real shock if you move to the real world.

Hell no, but they do it anyway because society expects them too.

that's not a particularly good reason for anything

that's not a particularly good reason for anything

It is if not doing it means you don't get paid and starve.

It is if not doing it means you don't get paid and starve.

no, that's just a threat. doing things because you are under threat if you do otherwise is not a justification for those things. and it especially isn't a justification for the threat being made in the first place. going along with the threatener might be an ok short term strategy, but you shouldn't let threats and the people who make them dictate social life.

well, Ive never seen him,so.....
anyway thats not the piont, is he sexy or is he a slut....
that brings up a valid non jokey question.
It seems to me that a very beutiful girl can wear the same outfit at an ugly girl and be sexy, while the ugly one is slutty.Is this because we dont find ugly girls sexy, only slutty.Or perhaps is the pritty one sexy because she doesnt appear to be as desperate as the ugly girl(to get noticed by wearing skimpy clothes)as whatever she wears she will be noticed,and the ugly girl seems to be slutty because she is wearing skimpy clothes because she is desperate.Thats how it seems to me that people think.Im not necesarily saying thats rigth, and I certainly dont think that way, but do any of you think that some people think this way?(I hope that wasnt too confusing as Im tired and emotional;) )
Nah, it's just easier for most to call the ugly one slutty so they don't have to find a real reason not to do her. People are incredibly selfish and shallow with all sort of misguided perceptions.
In my case, I wear very little, but it's because I find my natural lines and curves quite beautiful, but as the form of a man looks quite ungraceful and crude, I would never have the least desire to sleep with one. I think part of the problem is that in our society, people don't learn that you can't always have what you want, so they don't realize that a woman 'making' them want them isn't necessarily doing it for them, nor is she theirs to have.
No one is anyone's to have. But apart from that, as a culture it has always been easier to treat women as objects if we could simply reduce them to a physical beauty (or lack thereof). It's a means of oppression and control.
Yeah, youre right, I mean Im not confident enough to wear less clothes than I do.The fact is tho, that whilst some girls may be proud of their bodies, and some may be dressing in less clothes for their own benefit,many dress just to please men, to get attention from men.Obviously its not just what a person wears, its their attiude and their behaviour.Im mean, take jodie marsh, I dont know whether you saw her picture earlier in the thread.She was dressed in a way that,I dont believe can be described as anything but at the very least tarty.But its not just that,its the way she acts and behaves,so I guess that to be slutty rather than sexy you would not just have to look like a prostitute but act like one too(sorry for the crudeness)
Society tells them to. It tells them they exist to serve men. Generally. And the pressure is so strong, they feel inclined to do so in some way.
that is true.But this isnt a clothes issue,it an issue of how the girl acts.Many girls I see in cardiff on a friday and saturday night, althought they wear very little, what the problem is,is that they drink one hell of a lot, do a lot of 'bumb and grind'and then sleep with whatever man they find that night, often too drunk to remember protection(or too desperate for male attention that when the guy says he doesnt like condoms she will go along with it to keep the guys interest)
*makes a note to visit Cardiff*:p
Its difficult for a man to wear less and be more alluring.I think many people believe that womens bodies are more attrictive.I read once that men get tuned on more by looks,and women more by touch, which could explain why people are more likley to talk about what women wear related to sex then men...I dont know, maybe?

Note to self: touch women before letting them see me.:p

no, that's just a threat. doing things because you are under threat if you do otherwise is not a justification for those things. and it especially isn't a justification for the threat being made in the first place. going along with the threatener might be an ok short term strategy, but you shouldn't let threats and the people who make them dictate social life.

They shouldn't dictate anything. Ever. It is weakness to bow to threats.

It's all good.

Is telling an employee to quit dressing like a bum or get lost a threat? Yes. Is it unreasonable? Not at all. Decency is not a made up concept, and up until recently everyone seemed to have a fairly good consensus on what it entailed.

Is telling an employee to quit dressing like a bum or get lost a threat? Yes. Is it unreasonable? Not at all. Decency is not a made up concept, and up until recently everyone seemed to have a fairly good consensus on what it entailed.

You're fooling yourself. There never was any consensus.

strapless bra.........

seriously, if you can't go without a bra and you don't have a proper bra, you need to find another shirt.


I love spaghetti strap tops with built in bras.

You're fooling yourself. There never was any consensus.

We've got at least 20 different opinions on it on this board only, for fuck's sake!
Imagine what you'd get if you included the whole world. Probably thousands of opinions there.

Decency is not a made up concept

penis gourds, penis gourds, penis gourds. i win.

We've got at least 20 different opinions on it on this board only, for fuck's sake!
Imagine what you'd get if you included the whole world. Probably thousands of opinions there.

Quit with the semantics and read what I said. There used to be a much more widely accepted concept in Western society. 50 years ago men wore suits to work and women didn't expose their underwear, period. It was something everyone knew and something everyone accepted. I'm sure other societies had their own ideas of acceptable garb as well.

These days people seem to have different opinions though, with casual fridays every day of the week and kids walking around with their pants falling off. Even so, older people still have their idea of what is acceptable and what isn't, and if you want to deal with them (and you probably have to) you better keep this in mind. The whole "I'm going to do what I want and fuck everyone else" attitude isn't something that helps you get along with people, and getting along is one of the most important things we have to do in life whether you like it or not.

These days people seem to have different opinions though, with casual fridays every day of the week and kids walking around with their pants falling off. Even so, older people still have their idea of what is acceptable and what isn't, and if you want to deal with them (and you probably have to) you better keep this in mind. The whole "I'm going to do what I want and fuck everyone else" attitude isn't something that helps you get along with people, and getting along is one of the most important things we have to do in life whether you like it or not.
As long as you don't think there is anything wrong with the people wearing their underwear showing, that is a very mature and pragmatic thought.
The intolerant are in power. Feign interest in their bullshit or fail

The intolerant are in power. Feign interest in their bullshit or fail

That's the way it's always been; 1700 years ago you had sanctimonious Roman patricians getting pissed because their wives were wearing silk and the Christian nobility was getting pissed because the common people wanted to keep their traditional, natural, and sexual (that really set them off) religion in place.

The intolerant get in to power because that's the only thing left for a life devoid of pleasure and sexuality...

Even so, older people still have their idea of what is acceptable and what isn't, and if you want to deal with them (and you probably have to) you better keep this in mind. The whole "I'm going to do what I want and fuck everyone else" attitude isn't something that helps you get along with people, and getting along is one of the most important things we have to do in life whether you like it or not.

it's funny - i'm perfectly capable of getting along with people who dress in all sorts of ways, but some people seem way too hung up about it and can't. which sounds to me suspiciously like the problem is on their end, not mine.

As long as you don't think there is anything wrong with the people wearing their underwear showing, that is a very mature and pragmatic thought.
The intolerant are in power. Feign interest in their bullshit or fail

Aha, but I do find something wrong with it. I think it looks cheap and tacky. It's not like it's a hard problem to fix. Is it a reason to avoid someone? Not really. If enough people agree with me, then society is on my side. If not, it's something I'll have to deal with.

slut‧ty [sluht-ee]
–adjective, -ti‧er, -ti‧est.
engaging in more sexual activity than the person speaking.
Also, sluttish.

I get all kinds of strange looks when I show up in my blue jeans and halter top (with appropriate bra of course)
Now as far as I can see bra straps are a bit of fabric and most spaghetti strap t-shirts cover a lot more than a halter top. I find if odd that you would consider me slutty because I cant wear strapless bras nor too much cothing in summer, much less stuff my outfit full of safety pins due to my 'sensitivity issues', and dont give a second thought to the 'sexiness' of a plain cottin strap visible next to the plain cotton strap of my t-shirt, while you swan about, so obsessed with your own undies, you pin everything in place, yet have no problem baring all that flesh, and you think I dress like a slut, meanwhile I'd just think that you like me were dressing for your own comfort (not knowing all the extreme and uncomfortable sounding apparatuses you were employing).:confused:

It's kinda interesting that the reason you would consider my dressing slutty is because you spend a lot more time thinking about things sexually instead of functionally, while I wouldnt consider your dressing slutty because I obviously dont see things as 'sexually' as you do. Who'd a thought the way to get yourself thought a slut was to not be obsessed with sex and sexuality and the way to be modest is to have it foremost in your consideration at all times!

Evidently I also find it a bit much that in order to not be thought a slut I have to put myself at risk of 'meltdowns', considering I already struggle with sensory overload due to too much clothes and heaps of people, sights, sound, smells and stimulus about when at uni, it's frankly unreasonable. :(
As if life isnt hard enough with an 'invisiable' misunderstood disability without having to worry that now I'm thought of as a slut by an unknown sub-group that sees sex everywhere they look.

And why it does matter what you and others like you think? It's hard enough for me to get by without having to worry that on top of all the other things I have to remember in order to deal with the world (aka people), now I'm wondering who thinks I'm a slut when if I want to be functional (cognitively) I need less distractions such as worrying who thinks I'm a slut, and frankly with my sensory issues, I dont have much choice; every single one of your suggestions would render me non-functional at uni on a summer's day. So I have the choice of no education or wondering who thinks I'm a slut. Nice choices, thanks to people like you who choose to judge others through the lense of your own preoccupation with sex.

Slutty is when a woman (or man) relies far more on external appearance then on actual character and personality to attract affection/attention.

Now as far as I can see bra straps are a bit of fabric and most spaghetti strap t-shirts cover a lot more than a halter top. I find if odd that you would consider me slutty because I cant wear strapless bras nor too much cothing in winter, much less stuff my outfit full of safety pins due to my 'sensitivity issues', and dont give a second thought to the 'sexiness' of a plain cottin strap visible next to the plain cotton strap of my t-shirt, while you swan about, so obsessed with your own undies, you pin everything in place, yet have no problem baring all that flesh, and you think I dress like a slut, meanwhile I'd just think that you like me were dressing for your own comfort (not knowing all the extreme and uncomfortable sounding apparatuses you were employing).:confused:

It's kinda interesting that the reason you would consider my dressing slutty is because you spend a lot more time thinking about things sexually instead of functionally, while I wouldnt consider your dressing slutty because I obviously dont see things as 'sexually' as you do. Who'd a thought the way to get yourself thought a slut was to not be obsessed with sex and sexuality and the way to be modest is to have it foremost in your consideration at all times!

Evidently I also find it a bit much that in order to not be thought a slut I have to put myself at risk of 'meltdowns', considering I already struggle with sensory overload due to too much clothes and heaps of people, sights, sound, smells and stimulus about when at uni unreasonable. :(
As if life isnt hard enough with a 'invisiable' misunderstood disability without having to worry that now I'm thought of as a slut by an unknown sub-group that sees sex everywhere they look.

And that's why it does matter what you and others like you think? It's hard enough for me to get by without having to worry that on top of all the other things I have to remember in order to deal with the world (aka people), now I'm wondering who thinks I'm a slut when if I want to be functional (cognitively) I need less distractions such as worrying who thinks I'm a slut, and frankly with my sensory issues, I dont have much choice; every single one of your suggestions would render me non-functional at uni on a summer's day. So I have the choice of no education or wondering who thinks I'm a slut. Nice choices, thanks to people like you who choose to judge others through the lense of your own preoccupation with sex.

You didn't read the whole topic, did you?
We've had this discussion already, if you hadn't noticed.

Yeah, youre right, I mean Im not confident enough to wear less clothes than I do.The fact is tho, that whilst some girls may be proud of their bodies, and some may be dressing in less clothes for their own benefit,many dress just to please men, to get attention from men.Obviously its not just what a person wears, its their attiude and their behaviour.Im mean, take jodie marsh, I dont know whether you saw her picture earlier in the thread.She was dressed in a way that,I dont believe can be described as anything but at the very least tarty.But its not just that,its the way she acts and behaves,so I guess that to be slutty rather than sexy you would not just have to look like a prostitute but act like one too(sorry for the crudeness)

Yes, I do think I failed to take those who dress in very little to please men into consideration. I thought of those who may sleep around to make them feel better about their looks, which they'd probably cover otherwise out of shame that it wasn't the body that the media idealizes, but not those who's actions and motivations revolve around the man.

No one is anyone's to have. But apart from that, as a culture it has always been easier to treat women as objects if we could simply reduce them to a physical beauty (or lack thereof). It's a means of oppression and control.

No one is anyone's to have, I agree, but some people act as if though that wasn't the case. I also agree that reducing women to a physical beauty has been used throughout history to oppress and control them. Of course, I think both genders would be better off if this were not the case, because being around someone who's been taught to act like brainless beauty to only be used for pleasure would have to get tedious very quickly.

You didn't read the whole topic, did you?
We've had this discussion already, if you hadn't noticed.
Actually I did read the whole topic.
Nothing said takes away the fact that I dont have a choice about being effected by the symptoms of my disability the way I am, that people like Smunkee do have a choice about how they choose to think about other peoples' dressing and how preoccupied they are with framing everything so it circles back to sex, and that the particular choice Smunkee and people like her are selecting has a negative impact on me.

In one of my recent blog post, I commented on why women sometimes get hooked up with bad guys, or mistreated, and one of the thing I commented on was how women dress. I think there is a line between dressing sexy, and dressing like a prositute. However, the question is, where is this line? I think if you can see the woman's bra, or one sneeze from the woman the suprise is out, then they crossed the line. Also, you can sometimes tell when they crossed the line. So what do yall think, is there a line between Sexy and Slutty, and where is that line?

You need to define both "sexy" and "slutty" for the post to get any decent replies. A slut is someone who sleeps around. Just because a woman wears a low cut shirt, doesn't mean she sleeps around. Also, a woman can be sexy in a turtleneck and pants, not just in something revealing.

You need to define both "sexy" and "slutty" for the post to get any decent replies. A slut is someone who sleeps around. Just because a woman wears a low cut shirt, doesn't mean she sleeps around. Also, a woman can be sexy in a turtleneck and pants, not just in something revealing.

To me, slutty looking is showing off your butt crack (extra point if you have the tramp stamp tattoo.) If you have a whale tail. If you have on the skimpiest shirt on possible that shows off as much as possible. Also, with the bra, that's not as slutty as it is as gross. No one wants to see your bra, just like no one wants to see my boxers.

Why should there be a line? People should dress however the hell they feel.

Slutty, pffft.

Sexy=Slutty

Those who think otherwise are some type of homersexual.

[QUOTE=Wilgrove;11621376] I think if you can see the woman's bra, then they crossed the line. Also, you can sometimes tell when they crossed the line. QUOTE]

LOL!!!! Hunny I am currently at work. Very decently dressed. However as I am wearing a cream top my bra is somewhat visable. And I can tell you I look far from slutty! Being able able to see a bra can sometimes be sexy if properly done (not saying I look sexy in work clothes!). I do agree that there is a line. Tiny skirts with no underwear/g-string is a bit gross. But why is this converstaion confined to women? I know men don't usually dress slutty. But what the hell is with wearing their jeans around their tighs, with their ass hanging out?

Can you tell them? Do what us girls do..just point and laugh and loudly call her a slut!:)

Why should there be a line? People should dress however the hell they feel.

Slutty, pffft.

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Honestly, I made that thing like three hours ago and was getting impatient for a chance to use it.

Honestly, I made that thing like three hours ago and was getting impatient for a chance to use it.

Hahaha :D

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But what the hell is with wearing their jeans around their tighs, with their ass hanging out?
It is astoundingly comfortable. If done correctly, it should be like not wearing pants at all.

It is astoundingly comfortable. If done correctly, it should be like not wearing pants at all.

I'll take your word for it!

I'll take your word for it!
Though my ass is partially covered.

Though my ass is partially covered.

Your from Canada. What do you do in the winter? I imagine frost bite is quite painfull on your rear end!??

Your from Canada. What do you do in the winter? I imagine frost bite is quite painfull on your rear end!??
I live in Vancouver. The city grinds to a halt before the first centimeter of snow.

Hahaha :D

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Quality. Dobbstown'll dig that, what with Bob in it.

I live in Vancouver. The city grinds to a halt before the first centimeter of snow.

Cool. Was supposed to have gone to Ottowa last March but couldn't go in the end. Still have credit for my air canada tickets. So am going to try and go back their again in 2007 some time.

Actually I did read the whole topic.
Nothing said takes away the fact that I dont have a choice about being effected by the symptoms of my disability the way I am, that people like Smunkee do have a choice about how they choose to think about other peoples' dressing and how preoccupied they are with framing everything so it circles back to sex, and that the particular choice Smunkee and people like her are selecting has a negative impact on me.
I didn't frame anything back to sex, I tried not to use the word slutty in my posts because I don't believe that what you wear has anything to do with sex, it has to do with appropriate vs. inappropriate.

The fact is you choose what you wear, nobody is forcing you to wear a spaghetti strap top with your bra straps showing. In fact you can even choose to ignore what you "think" that I think about how you dress because to tell you the truth I won't say a thing about it unless I am asked.

How my opinion has a negative impact on you I will never know, it's an opinion if you can't live your life knowing that someone might think something you don't like about the way you are dressed maybe you should dress differently.

About my halter top? it shows my shoulders and my back, not all of my back, just about 6 or 7 inches, it comes up all the way in the front and has a strap that goes around my neck. Does it show some skin? yes. Does it show too much? maybe for some people. Does it show my bra? absolutely not. Do I care what you think about it? not really.

Slut:
slut (slt) Pronunciation Key
n.

A woman considered sexually promiscuous.
A woman prostitute.

Sexy:
sexy -
1. concerned predominantly or excessively with sex; risqué: a sexy novel.
2. sexually interesting or exciting; radiating sexuality: the sexiest professor on campus.
3. excitingly appealing; glamorous: a sexy new car.

Pretty much covers it no?
If you find someone sexually attractive that person is sexy. If you think they are promiscuous they're slutty.

In one of my recent blog post, I commented on why women sometimes get hooked up with bad guys, or mistreated, and one of the thing I commented on was how women dress. I think there is a line between dressing sexy, and dressing like a prositute. However, the question is, where is this line? I think if you can see the woman's bra, or one sneeze from the woman the suprise is out, then they crossed the line. Also, you can sometimes tell when they crossed the line. So what do yall think, is there a line between Sexy and Slutty, and where is that line?
I think the difference between "slutty" and "sexy" has absolutely nothing to do with what a woman is wearing. In my school, a girl was called a "slut" for reasons that actually had nothing to do with how she dressed or who she fucked (if anybody).

"Slut" is a word that is used to shame girls and women, and the first lesson girls need to learn is that the kind of people who use "slut" are the kind of people who aren't going to be bothered by trivial things like fact. People who use "slut" are going to call you a slut even if all you did was wear a pair of short pants, because they've already decided to call you a slut for their own reasons. They'll call you a slut if you wear a fitted shirt that covers everything. They'll call you a slut if you wear a t-shirt and jeans.

The distinction between "dressing slutty" and "dressing sexy" is totally arbitrary and exists only in the minds of people who are interested in branding women/girls as "sluts." Rest assured: if you turn a slut-shamer down when he hits on you, it will turn out that you're "dressed slutty" instead of "sexy." If you are outspoken or sexually aggressive, you'll look "slutty" in the exact same pair of jeans that all the non-sluts are wearing. If you are too pretty, or not pretty enough, the slut-shamers will be quick to inform you that you're dressed like a slut and so it's really all your fault that people treat you disrespectfully.

Walking around bare-ass naked isn't slutty. Walking around in trashy, cheap, or revealing clothing isn't slutty. Just like it's not slutty for a guy to sag his pants or walk around with no shirt. It's clothing. No matter how you dress, SOMEBODY is going to think you're dressed like a filthy harlot, because getting labeled "slutty" actually has nothing to do with what you're wearing. So don't sweat it.

I didn't frame anything back to sex, I tried not to use the word slutty in my posts because I don't believe that what you wear has anything to do with sex, it has to do with appropriate vs. inappropriate.
You stated outright that it makes you wonder about a person's intentions. Avoid the word slutty in your posts if you wish, but the name of the thread is pretty clear, and it doesnt take a genius to deduce what kind of intentions you must be referring to all things considered.

The fact is you choose what you wear, nobody is forcing you to wear a spaghetti strap top with your bra straps showing. In fact you can even choose to ignore what you "think" that I think about how you dress because to tell you the truth I won't say a thing about it unless I am asked.
You obviously have not understood what I have said.
My choice is either to forgo education or to wear clothes that you describe as 'inappropriate'. That's just the way it is. Telling me that I can choose to wear something else ignores the fact that I would have to forgo my education. I cant choose the way clothes can render me dysfunctional (cognitively), most especially in environments with a lot of stimulus (aka other students), and simply the fact that people might think I'm dressing 'inappropriately' is hurtful, whether they say it to my face or not. Frankly it's worse to think that people would be thinking about me like that, and I might not know it. At least if I know they are like that I can keep clear of them.

How my opinion has a negative impact on you I will never know, it's an opinion if you can't live your life knowing that someone might think something you don't like about the way you are dressed maybe you should dress differently.
If you think the holding of such opinions doesnt effect behaviour you are very naive.
In the first place even if you dont treat people differently due to your perception that they might have dubious intentions (as revealed by their inappropriate bra straps), any number of people every time you endorse/noramlise such a view (by stating you hold it yourself) might feel more justified in treating others poorly due to such normalisation.

The fact is just knowing people might be thinking about me like that is upsetting, unnecessary, and unreasonable. Why should my intentions be doubted, and let's not be obtuse here. You are clearly not suggesting you think I'll rob you on account of my bra strap showing, you're very obviously refering to sexual intentions; in other words you're refering to sluttiness, however much you try to dance around it in order to sanitise your stance.

About my halter top? it shows my shoulders and my back, not all of my back, just about 6 or 7 inches, it comes up all the way in the front and has a strap that goes around my neck. Does it show some skin? yes. Does it show too much? maybe for some people. Does it show my bra? absolutely not. Do I care what you think about it? not really.
You care enough to go to quite a lot of trouble according to your comments earlier in the thread.

It's not nice being disabled. One of the worst aspects is being set apart and not able to fit in. Whatever you say Smunkee the fact is people like you setting extra judgements on me because of things that I have to do in order to cope with my disability, make it harder for me to fit in. I'd say more than half of my disability isnt inherent in my condition, but rather is manifest in the uncompromising attitudes and lack of empathy and understanding from those that I'm constantly reminded of my difference to.

It's intimidating enough without having to wonder if people think I'm a slut on top of being 'not normal', never mind having to wonder exactly which people are thinking that about me.

Quit with the semantics and read what I said. There used to be a much more widely accepted concept in Western society. 50 years ago men wore suits to work and women didn't expose their underwear, period. It was something everyone knew and something everyone accepted. I'm sure other societies had their own ideas of acceptable garb as well.

These days people seem to have different opinions though, with casual fridays every day of the week and kids walking around with their pants falling off. Even so, older people still have their idea of what is acceptable and what isn't, and if you want to deal with them (and you probably have to) you better keep this in mind. The whole "I'm going to do what I want and fuck everyone else" attitude isn't something that helps you get along with people, and getting along is one of the most important things we have to do in life whether you like it or not.You seem to be saying that because our standards of "appropriate" have changed, we all need to revert to doing things the way old people do them or else we're a bunch of uppity crass youngins.

Dagnabbit.

There is certainly something to be said for dressing respectfully in certain contexts. I believe that dressing up for, say, a wedding has nothing to do with "modesty" and everything to do with acknowledging the formality of the occasion. It's a way of showing respect, and that's a nice thing to do.

However, our attitudes about different contexts and environments have changed, and so have our standards of "respectful" attire. A couple hundred years ago, it would have been profoundly disrespectful for you to appear at a formal dance without a powdered wig. Guess what? Times change. What used to be respectful dress is now out-dated or silly. Time marches on.

Every generation seems to be shocked (shocked!) by the disgraceful way the young people dress nowadays. Them boys oughta get them some haircuts and lose those hippy sideburns! Them girls is showing too much ankle! Back in my day, we covered our women in the livingroom drapes and all the boys had their hair cut twice a week by General Ike!

Meh.

We've got at least 20 different opinions on it on this board only, for fuck's sake!
Imagine what you'd get if you included the whole world. Probably thousands of opinions there.
That's how it goes.
Quit with the semantics and read what I said. There used to be a much more widely accepted concept in Western society. 50 years ago men wore suits to work and women didn't expose their underwear, period. It was something everyone knew and something everyone accepted. I'm sure other societies had their own ideas of acceptable garb as well.

These days people seem to have different opinions though, with casual fridays every day of the week and kids walking around with their pants falling off. Even so, older people still have their idea of what is acceptable and what isn't, and if you want to deal with them (and you probably have to) you better keep this in mind. The whole "I'm going to do what I want and fuck everyone else" attitude isn't something that helps you get along with people, and getting along is one of the most important things we have to do in life whether you like it or not.
Just because the consensus of a very few was pressed on the many doesn't mean it was an accepted consensus. It was changed in a very short amount of time, after all.
As long as you don't think there is anything wrong with the people wearing their underwear showing, that is a very mature and pragmatic thought.
The intolerant are in power. Feign interest in their bullshit or fail
I prefere revolution. Armed if possible....
it's funny - i'm perfectly capable of getting along with people who dress in all sorts of ways, but some people seem way too hung up about it and can't. which sounds to me suspiciously like the problem is on their end, not mine.
That's because those people are insecure.
Aha, but I do find something wrong with it. I think it looks cheap and tacky. It's not like it's a hard problem to fix. Is it a reason to avoid someone? Not really. If enough people agree with me, then society is on my side. If not, it's something I'll have to deal with.
It is a hard problem to fix if they don't find it cheap and tacky. The universe doesn't revolve around you. Or even the masses. People like you really should learn to ignore things beyond what should be your control. You overextend your reach.
No one is anyone's to have, I agree, but some people act as if though that wasn't the case. I also agree that reducing women to a physical beauty has been used throughout history to oppress and control them. Of course, I think both genders would be better off if this were not the case, because being around someone who's been taught to act like brainless beauty to only be used for pleasure would have to get tedious very quickly.
Not if your brain is condition to think three things: sex, sex, and now. The body never was as important to me as the mind, though.
You need to define both "sexy" and "slutty" for the post to get any decent replies. A slut is someone who sleeps around. Just because a woman wears a low cut shirt, doesn't mean she sleeps around. Also, a woman can be sexy in a turtleneck and pants, not just in something revealing.
*remembers apprentice in dark red turtleneck*
*drools*
I think if you can see the woman's bra, then they crossed the line. Also, you can sometimes tell when they crossed the line.

LOL!!!! Hunny I am currently at work. Very decently dressed. However as I am wearing a cream top my bra is somewhat visable. And I can tell you I look far from slutty! Being able able to see a bra can sometimes be sexy if properly done (not saying I look sexy in work clothes!). I do agree that there is a line. Tiny skirts with no underwear/g-string is a bit gross. But why is this converstaion confined to women? I know men don't usually dress slutty. But what the hell is with wearing their jeans around their tighs, with their ass hanging out?

Can you tell them? Do what us girls do..just point and laugh and loudly call her a slut!:)
I'm sure you look plenty sexy in your work clothes. Well, then again, you could be right....I demand a photo!:D
I think the difference between "slutty" and "sexy" has absolutely nothing to do with what a woman is wearing. In my school, a girl was called a "slut" for reasons that actually had nothing to do with how she dressed or who she fucked (if anybody).

"Slut" is a word that is used to shame girls and women, and the first lesson girls need to learn is that the kind of people who use "slut" are the kind of people who aren't going to be bothered by trivial things like fact. People who use "slut" are going to call you a slut even if all you did was wear a pair of short pants, because they've already decided to call you a slut for their own reasons. They'll call you a slut if you wear a fitted shirt that covers everything. They'll call you a slut if you wear a t-shirt and jeans.

The distinction between "dressing slutty" and "dressing sexy" is totally arbitrary and exists only in the minds of people who are interested in branding women/girls as "sluts." Rest assured: if you turn a slut-shamer down when he hits on you, it will turn out that you're "dressed slutty" instead of "sexy." If you are outspoken or sexually aggressive, you'll look "slutty" in the exact same pair of jeans that all the non-sluts are wearing. If you are too pretty, or not pretty enough, the slut-shamers will be quick to inform you that you're dressed like a slut and so it's really all your fault that people treat you disrespectfully.

Walking around bare-ass naked isn't slutty. Walking around in trashy, cheap, or revealing clothing isn't slutty. Just like it's not slutty for a guy to sag his pants or walk around with no shirt. It's clothing. No matter how you dress, SOMEBODY is going to think you're dressed like a filthy harlot, because getting labeled "slutty" actually has nothing to do with what you're wearing. So don't sweat it.

I don't disagree with you, buuuuuut....Port?
*offers a glass of Port*

I don't disagree with you, buuuuuut....Port?
*offers a glass of Port*
Mmmm, delicious, slutty Port.

:)

Actually I did read the whole topic.
Nothing said takes away the fact that I dont have a choice about being effected by the symptoms of my disability the way I am, that people like Smunkee do have a choice about how they choose to think about other peoples' dressing and how preoccupied they are with framing everything so it circles back to sex, and that the particular choice Smunkee and people like her are selecting has a negative impact on me.

If you don't mind me asking, what disability is that?

The fact is a slut is someone who is promiscuous. If a man or women dresses in a way thatis considered to fit into that catergory, then they have to deal with the consequence that some people are going to consider her/him a slut.
Sorry that's just the way it is. People do judge, people do assume.
Anyone here who is white and has a shaved head? has anyone thought you were a skinhead?

Anyone here into heavy metal? anyone ever thought you were a satanist?

Longhair? maybe a pot-head?

No matter how you act or dress you will always be judged by someone.

The fact is a slut is someone who is promiscuous. If a man or women dresses in a way thatis considered to fit into that catergory, then they have to deal with the consequence that some people are going to consider her/him a slut.
Sorry that's just the way it is. People do judge, people do assume.
Anyone here who is white and has a shaved head? has anyone thought you were a skinhead?

Anyone here into heavy metal? anyone ever thought you were a satanist?

Longhair? maybe a pot-head?

No matter how you act or dress you will always be judged by someone.

Dressing in a certain way by itself doesn't make one a slut. Actions come into play as well. Some people however are just judgemental no matter what you do. Nothing you can do about it.

You stated outright that it makes you wonder about a person's intentions. Avoid the word slutty in your posts if you wish, but the name of the thread is pretty clear, and it doesnt take a genius to deduce what kind of intentions you must be referring to all things considered.
When I said "I wonder about their intentions" I was talking about people who go out of their way to show off their underwear, in fact I think I said "when someone goes out of their way to show off their underwear I wonder about their true intentions" a bra strap that slips or a small amount showing when you lift your arms when you are wearing a sleevless top isn't "out of your way" wearing low cut jeans and pulling up your thong so that it shows is.

You obviously have not understood what I have said.
My choice is either to forgo education or to wear clothes that you describe as 'inappropriate'. That's just the way it is. Telling me that I can choose to wear something else ignores the fact that I would have to forgo my education. I cant choose the way clothes can render me dysfunctional (cognitively), most especially in environments with a lot of stimulus (aka other students), and simply the fact that people might think I'm dressing 'inappropriately' is hurtful, whether they say it to my face or not. Frankly it's worse to think that people would be thinking about me like that, and I might not know it. At least if I know they are like that I can keep clear of them.

and you obviously haven't understood what I have said. I don't care what you wear, I don't have any control over what you think of my opinion. I keep it to myself unless I am directly asked,(which I was in this thred) I don't have any control over what you think about what I think, nor is it my responsiblity to make you "comfortable with yourself".

If you think the holding of such opinions doesnt effect behaviour you are very naive.
In the first place even if you dont treat people differently due to your perception that they might have dubious intentions (as revealed by their inappropriate bra straps), any number of people every time you endorse/noramlise such a view (by stating you hold it yourself) might feel more justified in treating others poorly due to such normalisation.
You make assumptions that are not based on facts. I hold a lot of unpopular opinions, I treat everyone the same (slight preference for my husband and children though).

The fact is just knowing people might be thinking about me like that is upsetting, unnecessary, and unreasonable. Why should my intentions be doubted, and let's not be obtuse here. You are clearly not suggesting you think I'll rob you on account of my bra strap showing, you're very obviously refering to sexual intentions; in other words you're refering to sluttiness, however much you try to dance around it in order to sanitise your stance.

I am sorry you feel that way, it's not my problem though, it's yours. You don't know what I think other than what I have stated, and what I have said is the truth, I do not go around and try to judge people's sex lives based on what they wear. I think if someone is dressed up in lingere to go to the grocery store I assume that their intention is to get attention for what they are wearing, I won't lie about that.

You care enough to go to quite a lot of trouble according to your comments earlier in the thread.
my choice about what I wear isn't any of your concern.

It's not nice being disabled. One of the worst aspects is being set apart and not able to fit in. Whatever you say Smunkee the fact is people like you setting extra judgements on me because of things that I have to do in order to cope with my disability, make it harder for me to fit in. I'd say more than half of my disability isnt inherent in my condition, but rather is manifest in the uncompromising attitudes and lack of empathy and understanding from those that I'm constantly reminded of my difference to.

and I am sorry that you have to deal with that, but maybe you should attend counseling to learn how to brush off people like me. I am sure it would make your life a little easier. I have a disease that people don't understand, I have to deal with assholes and idiots all the day long, it keeps me from doing "normal things" but at the end of the day how I feel about myself is on me, it doesn't have anything to do with them.

It's intimidating enough without having to wonder if people think I'm a slut on top of being 'not normal', never mind having to wonder exactly which people are thinking that about me.
it doesn't pay to wonder, you need to decide what you think about yourself and stick with that, letting other people dictate your feelings is dangerous and unhealthy.

Mmmm, delicious, slutty Port.

:)


Atta girl!;):D

That's why I'm here, you know.That and I have no life.:p:)