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Well, I suppose it'd be a little difficult, but if you really wanted to remove the epidermis....
I don't think a vegetable peeler is a good idea.

"I have three layers of skin, so I think I'll remove one."
That's just a beauty treatment (http://www.asds-net.org/Patients/FactSheets/patients-Fact_Sheet-dermabrasion.html).

That's just a beauty treatment (http://www.asds-net.org/Patients/FactSheets/patients-Fact_Sheet-dermabrasion.html).
Actually, scar tissue is more like another layer. I'd love to see you down a layer of skin. It'd be quite painful. I doubt anyone sane would consciously decide to remove the whole layer.

I got spanked but onyl 2 or 3 times. I think my mom didn't like the whole idea.

I'd love to see you down a layer of skin. It'd be quite painful.

A bit of a sadist, are you? Or do you just not like me?

I did sand a fair bit of skin off once, with a Dremel tool. Unfortunately, I didn't notice the pain involved until after I had removed way too much. Very effective depiliation, though :-)

the rod is a shepards tool, it's not used to beat the sheep, it's used to guide them.

besides I have pointed out like a million times, discipline and punishment are two different things.
You haven't herded animals, have you? Today they are guided by a "hot shot".

A bit of a sadist, are you? Or do you just not like me?

I did sand a fair bit of skin off once, with a Dremel tool. Unfortunately, I didn't notice the pain involved until after I had removed way too much. Very effective depiliation, though :-)
Just my cruel streak surfacing.

Just my cruel streak surfacing.

Streak? Surfacing?

Just my cruel streak surfacing.


you have a cruel streak?

Streak? Surfacing?
you have a cruel streak?
Isn't it odd that you both have such juxtaposed reactions?

Isn't it odd that you both have such juxtaposed reactions?


if i wasnt odd then i wouldnt be me...

if i wasnt odd then i wouldnt be me...
Umm...that isn't what I said....

Isn't it odd that you both have such juxtaposed reactions?

He just don't know you. :p

He just don't know you. :p
Maybe neither of you do.:p

Maybe neither of you do.:p

Maybe all three of us don't. :p

You haven't herded animals, have you? Today they are guided by a "hot shot".
I have herded cows, and sheep, we never used a "hot shot", people who know how to deal with animals don't have to hurt them.

Maybe all three of us don't. :p
No maybe's there.:D

I have herded cows, and sheep, we never used a "hot shot", people who know how to deal with animals don't have to hurt them.
Never herded sheep, but I've worked with cows and they're about the most docile animals I've ever seen. Of course, I wasn't working on a feedlot or at a slaughterhouse, where they'd be nervous--it was a tiny family farm in Louisiana and I was just moving them from one pasture to another, but still, all I really had to do was open the gate, walk behind them, and maybe give one or two a pat on the rump to get them moving.

My little sister and I were both hit when we did something my mother didn't approve of. Being different people, the beatings had a different effect on us... I was literally frightened of my mother until only a few years ago, and I am vehemently against spanking. My sister is very pro-spanking...and at the same time, is very violent... at the age of 20, she still resolves conflicts by hitting/kicking/shoving people. She also ended up being more rebellious of the two of us. The only thing hitting us did was to make my relationship with my mother more distant. I continued to do things she used to hit us for (like taking food while she was out of the house) well into highschool, but just learned to hide it better.

Spanking is not a good idea as far as I am concerned, and it didn't make me more well behaved or less well behaved, but served to distance my mother and me. Oh, by the way, my sister and I have been both diagnosed with clinical depression, and I think that the spankings we received as children played a role in contributing to that.

Never herded sheep, but I've worked with cows and they're about the most docile animals I've ever seen. Of course, I wasn't working on a feedlot or at a slaughterhouse, where they'd be nervous--it was a tiny family farm in Louisiana and I was just moving them from one pasture to another, but still, all I really had to do was open the gate, walk behind them, and maybe give one or two a pat on the rump to get them moving.
I used to help my uncle move his herd from one end of the acreage to the other, basically it was open the gate, and ride the horse on the outer edge and make sure you don't lose any, cows basically go where they are supposed to 90% of the time as long as you aren't making them nervous (you know like yelling or hitting them)

Sheep are stupid, they don't follow eachother like cows do, and they are very nervous just about all the time, I couldn't ride my horse around them it made them run away, it was too loud, I had a dog that helped me, and I would walk them from pasture to pasture 16 mile trip, walking with the dog, and keeping an eye on them. A gentle nudge in the right direction and a sheep will go wherever he has been going, when you want to change directions you just nudge them or have the dog cirle round, there is no hitting, if you hit a sheep they run away, it doesn't make sense to hit them.

I used to help my uncle move his herd from one end of the acreage to the other, basically it was open the gate, and ride the horse on the outer edge and make sure you don't lose any, cows basically go where they are supposed to 90% of the time as long as you aren't making them nervous (you know like yelling or hitting them)

Sheep are stupid, they don't follow eachother like cows do, and they are very nervous just about all the time, I couldn't ride my horse around them it made them run away, it was too loud, I had a dog that helped me, and I would walk them from pasture to pasture 16 mile trip, walking with the dog, and keeping an eye on them. A gentle nudge in the right direction and a sheep will go wherever he has been going, when you want to change directions you just nudge them or have the dog cirle round, there is no hitting, if you hit a sheep they run away, it doesn't make sense to hit them.which is why the shepards croock is more for nudging the sheep and not hitting them. infact, you never see a Shepard hitting a sheep.

now, how'd we get to Animal herding? :confused: man I gotta read back! :D

which is why the shepards croock is more for nudging the sheep and not hitting them. infact, you never see a Shepard hitting a sheep.

now, how'd we get to Animal herding? :confused: man I gotta read back! :D
Good Lifes brought up the Bible verse about using the rod.....

Good Lifes brought up the Bible verse about using the rod.....
oh man, not those verses... should I post a Bible study devoited to those verses? basically they pull up the original greek words used and really define them.

oh man, not those verses... should I post a Bible study devoited to those verses? basically they pull up the original greek words used and really define them.
yeah, I do a lot of Bible studies like that. It annoys me when people say 'oh, but the Bible says that if you spare the rod you spoil your child, so that means that Jesus wants us to hit our kids" :rolleyes: nevermind that a shepard would never hit their sheep.

yeah, I do a lot of Bible studies like that. It annoys me when people say 'oh, but the Bible says that if you spare the rod you spoil your child, so that means that Jesus wants us to hit our kids" :rolleyes: nevermind that a shepard would never hit their sheep.
So we should nudge them around with dogs. Gotcha.:p
*takes notes*

So we should nudge them around with dogs. Gotcha.:p
*takes notes*
it works, and it has worked for a long time.

it works, and it has worked for a long time.
Most people who do that do it without hounding their children with dogs.

Spanking is not a good idea as far as I am concerned, and it didn't make me more well behaved or less well behaved, but served to distance my mother and me. Oh, by the way, my sister and I have been both diagnosed with clinical depression, and I think that the spankings we received as children played a role in contributing to that.

Doctor told you that? Isn't it possible you would've turned out the same way if you hadn't been spanked, because you'd have clinical depression anyways?

My little sister and I were both hit when we did something my mother didn't approve of. Being different people, the beatings had a different effect on us... I was literally frightened of my mother until only a few years ago, and I am vehemently against spanking. My sister is very pro-spanking...and at the same time, is very violent... at the age of 20, she still resolves conflicts by hitting/kicking/shoving people. She also ended up being more rebellious of the two of us. The only thing hitting us did was to make my relationship with my mother more distant. I continued to do things she used to hit us for (like taking food while she was out of the house) well into highschool, but just learned to hide it better.

Spanking is not a good idea as far as I am concerned, and it didn't make me more well behaved or less well behaved, but served to distance my mother and me. Oh, by the way, my sister and I have been both diagnosed with clinical depression, and I think that the spankings we received as children played a role in contributing to that.


It was the same for me. Clinical depression and PTSD, from an abusive childhood. I'm thankful that I grew up to share your attitude, rather than your sister's.

Everyone needs a nice, good spanking every now and then.

So we should nudge them around with dogs. Gotcha.:p
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You know, this actually makes a lot of sense when you pair it with the anti-contraception beliefs of certain Christian groups. I mean, they're going to end up with a veritable flock of youngins, so a shepard dog and a herding staff will really come in handy.

cows basically go where they are supposed to 90% of the time as long as you aren't making them nervous (you know like yelling or hitting them)

Here's the key......90% of the time......Since I'm probably the only farmer here....Walking cows from on pasture to another isn't "working" them. As with children 90% of the time you do nothing. Another 5% you nudge them. Then there is that other 5% of the time......That 5% with animals as well as with children they need more persuasion and you have to get their attention. I don't know of a single herder that doesn't have a hot shot, whip or good strong rod im his hand while working the animals. (check behind the seat of ANY real rancher's pickup) When you have to get them to do what they have decided not to do, you sting them a little. I DIDN'T say BEAT them. If they are eyeing you face to face, there is a realization that they can overpower you. A small snap just above the nose will turn them. A snap above the eyes and they will charge. If they bluff you once, they become the head of the herd. If they don't want to move a snap on the roast will move them forward. There's no way you can move them under your power with the hooves dug in. If you let them think about it they will always dig in.

This is what the people of the Bible area understood and what our industrial urban population doesn't understand. Timing and intensity and position in discipline is everything. When a child is facing you down eye to eye they are making a choice as to whether you have the power or they do. At that moment timing is everything. You take command or they will never respect your authority. Eventually they'll charge that authority. If you let a child think about a situation they win. They can see that you are weak in your ability to take command. Next time they dig in just a little harder and back you off a little more.

I don't have a clue where you read that a herder never touches the animals with the rod. Must be some idealist city dweller. The one good thing about herd animals is you only have to control the strongest. The others will follow like.....well, ...like sheep. Become the head of your herd (family) and the rest will follow. Don't get control and they will look for someone or something that will give them that leadership. Be it a gang, drugs, sex, diet, whatever.

Here's the key......90% of the time......Since I'm probably the only farmer here....Walking cows from on pasture to another isn't "working" them. As with children 90% of the time you do nothing. Another 5% you nudge them. Then there is that other 5% of the time......That 5% with animals as well as with children they need more persuasion and you have to get their attention.

I guess you missed the part where I spent my summers herding cattle and sheep on my uncle's ranch, it's true I am not a farmer now, but I was a rancher for a quarter of a year growing up 15 years I went and helped him move his cattle and sheep from one end of the 15,000 acre farm to the other, and never once did we hit an animal, never once did we have a whip, or a hot shot.

Maybe we do things a little different around here, or maybe our cows and sheep are different than yours, but when you want an animal to do something the last thing you ever want to do is inflict pain.

So we should nudge {children} around with dogs. Gotcha.:p

Only in special cases (http://www.nsd.on.ca/faqs.htm#A5).

Only in special cases (http://www.nsd.on.ca/faqs.htm#A5).
I think thats a case for dogs to nudge children around. :D

I think thats a case for dogs to nudge children around. :D

Personally, I think it's an insult to service dogs in general to refer to these animals as service dogs. A service dog works with a person with a disability to provide greater independence and quality of life. These "autism service dogs" work for parents to decrease a disabled child's independence and increase the parents' quality of life. This is a completely different issue.

There -are- service dogs who work for people with autism spectrum disorders -- not tying them to the dog to keep them out of trouble, but actually supporting the person with the disability -- and I think calling these child-herders autism service dogs is unfair. An example of service dog tasks from which one man benefits is available at http://www2.codegnome.org:59321/blogs/autism_service_dogs/articles/tasks.html

Personally, I think it's an insult to service dogs in general to refer to these animals as service dogs. A service dog works with a person with a disability to provide greater independence and quality of life. These "autism service dogs" work for parents to decrease a disabled child's independence and increase the parents' quality of life. This is a completely different issue.

There -are- service dogs who work for people with autism spectrum disorders -- not tying them to the dog to keep them out of trouble, but actually supporting the person with the disability -- and I think calling these child-herders autism service dogs is unfair. An example of service dog tasks from which one man benefits is available at http://www2.codegnome.org:59321/blogs/autism_service_dogs/articles/tasks.htmla service dog is one that provides a service. seeing Eye Dogs, Bomb sniffing dogs, search and rescue... etc.

and there are breeds of dogs that do, out of their nature, watch children as if they were their own puppies.

a service dog is one that provides a service.

Colloquially, perhaps. The context in which the "autism service dog" trainers (or at least those based in the United States) are speaking, though, is that of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

The ADA defines a service animal as any guide dog, signal dog, or other animal individually trained to provide assistance to an individual with a disability. If they meet this definition, animals are considered service animals under the ADA regardless of whether they have been licensed or certified by a state or local government.

Service animals perform some of the functions and tasks that the individual with a disability cannot perform for him or herself. "Seeing eye dogs" are one type of service animal, used by some individuals who are blind. This is the type of service animal with which most people are familiar. But there are service animals that assist persons with other kinds of disabilities in their day-to-day activities. Some examples include:

_____Alerting persons with hearing impairments to sounds.

_____ Pulling wheelchairs or carrying and picking up things for persons with mobility impairments.

_____Assisting persons with mobility impairments with balance.

Guide dogs for the blind count, but search and rescue dogs or bomb-sniffing dogs are not service dogs by this definition. Neither are cancer-sniffing dogs or therapy dogs; both tend to work for non-disabled handlers to provide their assistance to the disabled.

i thought this thread was going to be a lot dirtier than it was...:rolleyes:

You know, this actually makes a lot of sense when you pair it with the anti-contraception beliefs of certain Christian groups. I mean, they're going to end up with a veritable flock of youngins, so a shepard dog and a herding staff will really come in handy.
"Bloody Catholics fillin' up the bloody world with bloody people they can't afford to bloody feed.";)

i thought this thread was going to be a lot dirtier than it was...:rolleyes:
I know just the place to fix that.;)

I know just the place to fix that.;)who can finish the rest of this song? ;)
Isn't it awfully nice to have a penis,
Isn't it frightfully good to have a dong?
It's swell to have a stiffy,
It's divine to own a dick,
From the tiniest little tadger
To the world's biggest prick.

So three cheers for your Willy or John Thomas,
Hooray for your one eyed trouser snake,
Your piece of pork, your wife's best friend,
Your Percy or your cock,
You can wrap it up in ribbons,
You can slip it in your sock,
But don't take it out in public
Or they will stick you in the dock,
And you won't come back.

I know just the place to fix that.;)
then bring it on!:fluffle:

who can finish the rest of this song? ;)
Isn't it awfully nice to have a penis,
Isn't it frightfully good to have a dong?
It's swell to have a stiffy,
It's divine to own a dick,
From the tiniest little tadger
To the world's biggest prick.

So three cheers for your Willy or John Thomas,
Hooray for your one eyed trouser snake,
Your piece of pork, your wife's best friend,
Your Percy or your cock,
You can wrap it up in ribbons,
You can slip it in your sock,
But don't take it out in public
Or they will stick you in the dock,
And you won't come back.
:eek: ZOMG!! I knew exactly what song that was! I have the script practically memorized.:D

then bring it on!:fluffle:
LOL I think we're both a bit too tired now. Maybe some other time.;):p

LOL I think we're both a bit too tired now. Maybe some other time.;):p
:( you talk too much sense!

:( you talk too much sense!
I know. I wish I didn't.:(

I know. I wish I didn't.:(

Don't worry. You don't do it very often. :)

Don't worry. You don't do it very often. :)
Thanks.
*cries on your shoulder*

.......

*regains composure and walks off*

"Bloody Catholics fillin' up the bloody world with bloody people they can't afford to bloody feed.";)
but....but....every sperm is sacred!

but....but....every sperm is sacred!
Propaganda!:eek:
*flees*