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Well-said.



From Buhkari Hadith (posted at http://www.witness-pioneer.org/hadeeth/ )

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 132: Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a: The Prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day."

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33:Narrated Usama bin Zaid:
The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."

But of course, this is all taken "out of context" and doesn't represent the "real" Islam, which, as everyone knows, gives women more rights than those infidel Western dogs.



Utter insanity.

European progress toward cultural suicide may be irreversible.

Maybe the French will take La Marseillaise to heart one day: "Allons enfants de la patrie! Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons!"

Muslims have no place in any Western nation and should be removed, using whatever means expedient.

We just have to deport them. It doesnt even have to be a bad experience, really. Maybe with economical incentives, they'll be more than willing....

I believe George Barnard Shaw once said that Christianity would be a good thing, if there were any practicing Christians.

I can say the same thing about Islam, or Communism.

Ah now I follow you. ;)

Kind of like what Twain said:

"In God We Trust. I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true."

Standart idiotic line. This can be only Fass...

Communist Mississippi! It has been awhile!

The main issue I have with this article, no matter who wrote it because the issue is actually there, is the professor who states that it is not the immigrants' responsibility, but the natives of the country. She says that the girls must realize blah blah and change their style of dress and all their habits. I am an immigrant, when I came here I learned the language, and I am still learning the culture. When someone, anyone, moves to a new country it is their responsibility to make the change. If you liked your way of life so much back where you were then why did you leave? I left the states because I didn't like my quality of life and I found better in another country. I would guess that most immigrants, and especially refugees, are going to be able to say the same thing.

It's personal to me, because I've made the effort, I've put in the energy, but there are people out there telling entire countries to change their entire culture to keep a percentage of the non-native population from raping and beating and using and abusing their girls! It's rediculous. Absolutely ludicrous. Egotistical and stupid. If you move to France, you learn French, eat French food, celebrate French holidays. If you move to the US you learn English, eat American food, celebrate American holidays. What you do personally, religiously or sexually or in your family, is something you do privately. To demand an entire nation change to fit your private beliefs to keep you from being a total and complete jerkoff is so dumb I can't even express it.

Frustrating! :headbang:


Thank you

:D You haven't been here that long. So your comments don't offend. Go back long enough and you will find I was a supporter of the Iraq invasion and I still support Afghanistan.

I challenge you to find one post of mine that says they should be tolerated for their actions.

My actions are nothing more then a simple example of "Those in glass houses..."

The Christians should clean up their own house before they start judging the actions of others. Especially, those that take to refering the criminals as muslims rather then a criminal who happens to be a "Muslim."

Those that judge the morality of others are usually hiding violations of their own moral code.

I just want to say something here. I dont see this thread as religion vs religion (christianity vs islam) thing, I see it as a culture vs culture thing (european vs islamic).

Wow, there must have not been any Christians before the 4th century, since there was no Bible yet.

Christians like you need a history lesson about your own religion. Early Christians did not have a Bible. Nor did they read all of the books in the Bible that you read today. Your Bible was a result of emerging Orthodoxy, Catholicism. You read a Bible where the books were selected to reflect pre-existing Orthodox doctrine that had been voted on, and where the books themselves were voted on. Some books even came down to mediator arbitration by a pagan Emperor.

Early Christians, again referring to Orthodoxy (because we all know those Gnositcs were a bunch of wicked heretics :rolleyes:) did not even use all of the books in your Bible today. On top of that, they used other books not included in your Bible. Thus, based on the books they used and didn't use, early beliefs about Jesus, Paul, etc. were quite different than the ones you have today.

In short, your Bible, your entire set of beliefs, was created in the 4th century. It does not reflect Jesus, the Apostles, or early Christianity. That much is undisputed historical fact.

Sorry, your undisputed historical fact is just another in a long list of ignorant excuses created over the past two thousand years for people to disregard the truth about Jesus Christ and his church.

The Bible and Christianity were not created in the 4th century by a Roman emperor. The Catholic Church is not the whole of Christianity, which many people seem not to know.

If one actually reads scripture, and compares it to works that were "left out," one can see the many differences. This topic is not new, but quite old. Thousands of years old in fact.

Ever since the beginning, people have been trying to deny the truth and power of holy scripture. But it just won't go away. And it never will.

Ignorance notwithstanding.

Well yes. When you live in the land that has Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Charles Dobson, Fred Phelps, etc. You would understand.
So you're not even trying to look at this objectively. Pat Robertson's rants make you angry, thus he is as bad as the 7/7/05 bombers.

It'd show that alien cultures, especially those that might replace the original culture in future, dont do well.
No, because you would have to look at the bigger picture. The culture of a muslim immigrant from Tunisia is vastly different from the culture of a muslim immigrant from Malaysia. If you want to blame the "alien culture" you have to examine the local cultures of the different countries the immigrants hail from. There isn't a homogenous Islamic culture to blame here.
Mine was a reasonable conclusion. I'm more likely to be right than wrong. However, you are right. I can not give you 100% proof because there is no data on crime vs religion. So we have to work on the data we have. Besides, what have 100% proof? All of our major understanding of like is based on theories which arent proven 100%. Theory of gravity, evolution, quantum theory, big bang theory, etc...
Your conclusion is not resonable, because you cannot back it up and you base it on, in this case, 72 people. So you're assuming - and since you'd like to bring the scientific theories into this, all you have so far is a hypothesis. You should be far from a conclusion until you find more solid evidence.
Why would muslim community and only muslim community intervened if most of the rapists werent muslims?
Why would christian organisations fight to prevent violence against children if most of the abusers weren't christians? - No.

The article doesn't say they are the only ones who tries to do something - only that leading Muslim organisations now (in 2001) have formed an alliance to combat the problem. There are women's groups and Christian groups, for example, who are already actively trying to combat rape in Denmark. Why are they doing something?

As for the muslim organisations - Maybe they're concerned members of their communities? Maybe altruistic? Maybe they are all rapists and criminals but want to make a PR move? Based on the article alone, we cannot say without engaging in wild speculation - though I would believe the former.
The article does not say, however, that they are doing it because so many muslim immigrants are raping.

is it that lately most crimes of a sexual nature are normally performed by muslims? why do we let so many in? why don't we kick that many out?
i don't know!!

It has little to do with faith,the little part being the lack of respect for women and how they dominate them. I think only women and children should be allowed to immigrate and yes male children aswell, mainly because they will grow up and be socialised within a more CIVILISED society where women are equally as important as men.

And to be honest it disgusts me that immigrants get more from a country than the elderly who fought out of loyalty to England (i know you were discussing sweden but thats not my point). The elderly get treated like crap whilst immigrants swarm around selling heroine on the street corners in North London,yes i really pity them.

The only form of immigrant i can really have sympathy for are the ones thats lives have been devastated through terrorism, and yet terrorists are still imported.

Are you seriously asking us to say the faith of Islam is to blame for this?


its more a cultural thing than a religiouse thing. At any rate encourage your women to carry a nice 9 mm pistol and to shoot the would be rapist in the face. Problem solved .

Hmmm what about Jordan? Pretaliban Afghanistan?

Just a 1 min google search. I'm sure I can come up with much more, later.


Study on domestic violence calls for national centre for women victims

By Rana Husseini
AMMAN — A study on violence against women in Jordan has called for the establishment of a national centre for victims of domestic violence.

The study, which revealed that “crimes of honour” still constitute the highest percentage of premeditated murders in Jordan, recommended encouraging research to explore the underlying motives of physical and sexual violence committed against women in the family and society at large.

http://www.jordanembassyus.org/121998002.htm

No, because you would have to look at the bigger picture. The culture of a muslim immigrant from Tunisia is vastly different from the culture of a muslim immigrant from Malaysia. If you want to blame the "alien culture" you have to examine the local cultures of the different countries the immigrants hail from. There isn't a homogenous Islamic culture to blame here.


Huntigton, who is a professor in Harvard, would disagree with you that there is no islamic culture.
Just because a set has subsets doesnt mean it isnt a set. There is a Western culture. This doesnt mean all Western countries are very homogenious. Just because Belgium and USA are very different, we cant say there is no western culture.


Your conclusion is not resonable, because you cannot back it up and you base it on, in this case, 72 people. So you're assuming - and since you'd like to bring the scientific theories into this, all you have so far is a hypothesis. You should be far from a conclusion until you find more solid evidence.


Most non-western immigrants are muslim. Most rapes are done by non-western immigrants.
Not a reasonable conclusion? :rolleyes:



Why would christian organisations fight to prevent violence against children if most of the abusers weren't christians? - No.

The article doesn't say they are the only ones who tries to do something - only that leading Muslim organisations now (in 2001) have formed an alliance to combat the problem. There are women's groups and Christian groups, for example, who are already actively trying to combat rape in Denmark. Why are they doing something?

As for the muslim organisations - Maybe they're concerned members of their communities? Maybe altruistic? Maybe they are all rapists and criminals but want to make a PR move? Based on the article alone, we cannot say without engaging in wild speculation - though I would believe the former.
The article does not say, however, that they are doing it because so many muslim immigrants are raping.

You are asking for 100% proof. Refer to my previous post. Besides, ask any objective danish. I know you wouldnt believe me about Oslo.

I can't post the link to the site, it shows the girl's face and it is MESSED UP. :mad: . Otherwise I would.

35 pages overnight. Wow.

Standart idiotic line. This can be only Fass...
Standard idiotic response...this can only be you.

Hi, Ny Nordland...
Hmmm...Designated Marksman and My Nordland...the one and same?

So you're not even trying to look at this objectively. Pat Robertson's rants make you angry, thus he is as bad as the 7/7/05 bombers.

Objective?!?!??!?! I am an American USian. I don't think you can use that to describe us!

Stupidity. Western nations are united by our values of liberty, equality and fraternity.

We are not defined by discrimination, or by locking out groups of people based on religion.

"Liberty, equality and fraternity" are precisely those values NOT espoused by Islam.

National and cultural suicide are not Western values. I will not accept the presence of an unassimilable mass of adherents of a creed that divides the world into "Dar al-Islam" and "Dar al-Harb", i.e., "the land that's ours forever" and "the land that's yours until we overrun it." I damn sure will not "adapt" to a "multicultural society" in order to accommodate Islamic invaders and their primitive, bloodthirsty tribal "culture."

Islamic "values" and "culture" are sufficiently alien, not to mention dangerous, to warrant exclusion from all civilized nations. Repetition of tired bromides about "discrimination based on religion" is indicative of a state of denial which will eventually end in death, defeat and dhimmitude for all who are not infidel Muslims.

The only "stupidity" lies in refusal to acknowledge the threat and defend Western civilization against it.

Are you seriously asking us to say the faith of Islam is to blame for this?
Of course. What else would it be? Can't blame this on Christianity or Capitalism or Imperialism this time.

"Liberty, equality and fraternity" are precisely those values NOT espoused by Islam.

National and cultural suicide are not Western values. I will not accept the presence of an unassimilable mass of adherents of a creed that divides the world into "Dar al-Islam" and "Dar al-Harb", i.e., "the land that's ours forever" and "the land that's yours until we overrun it." I damn sure will not "adapt" to a "multicultural society" in order to accommodate Islamic invaders and their primitive, bloodthirsty tribal "culture."

Islamic "values" and "culture" are sufficiently alien, not to mention dangerous, to warrant exclusion from all civilized nations. Repetition of tired bromides about "discrimination based on religion" is indicative of a state of denial which will eventually end in death, defeat and dhimmitude for all who are not infidel Muslims.

The only "stupidity" lies in refusal to acknowledge the threat and defend Western civilization against it.
At last! A voice of sanity on here! THANK YOU! :)

Of course. What else would it be? Can't blame this on Christianity or Capitalism or Imperialism this time.

Don't forget suicide bombings Forrest... oh wait, you wanted to be one yourself! I guess that means you're Muslim!

:rolleyes:

At last! A voice of sanity on here! THANK YOU! :)

Thanks to you as well.

I have found, from reading posts in this forum and others, that most apologists and enablers for Islamofascism really haven't studied the creed they are defending, don't appreciate its true nature, and think our standards apply when dealing with it. That's why I frequently quote directly from the Koran and the Hadith--texts which I have studied for years and am still studying ("know your enemy!"). Once people actually become aware of the true teachings of Islam, and can recognize and discount the dissimulations of Muslim propagandists like CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations), they are shocked at their bloodthirsty, intolerant and aggressive nature.

And remember: CAIR's co-founder, Omar Ahmad, has declared that “Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

Muslims want to impose their evil creed on every nation they haven't already infected, whether it's Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Holland, France or the United States. They must not be allowed to succeed.

Thanks to you as well.

I have found, from reading posts in this forum and others, that most apologists and enablers for Islamofascism really haven't studied the creed they are defending, don't appreciate its true nature, and think our standards apply when dealing with it. That's why I frequently quote directly from the Koran and the Hadith--texts which I have studied for years and am still studying ("know your enemy!"). Once people actually become aware of the true teachings of Islam, and can recognize and discount the dissimulations of Muslim propagandists like CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations), they are shocked at their bloodthirsty, intolerant and aggressive nature.

And remember: CAIR's co-founder, Omar Ahmad, has declared that “Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

Muslims want to impose their evil creed on every nation they haven't already infected, whether it's Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Holland, France or the United States. They must not be allowed to succeed.

www.anti-cair.org

CAIR wants to turn America into an Islamist state-think Iran is bad? Wait till these guys get into power.

Thanks to you as well.

I have found, from reading posts in this forum and others, that most apologists and enablers for Islamofascism really haven't studied the creed they are defending,

I have found, from reading posts in this forum and others, that most blind hatred of Islam stems from an inability to perceive a difference between terrorism and the religion of Islam itself.

Thanks to you for illustrating that.

Muslims want to impose their evil creed on every nation they haven't already infected, whether it's Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Holland, France or the United States. They must not be allowed to succeed.

See? One minute you're talking about Islamofascism, next you're talking about "Muslims." You're obviously confused and ignorant.

Or just bigoted, but when I put it like that you tend to whine and cry like a little bitch.

Huntigton, who is a professor in Harvard, would disagree with you that there is no islamic culture.
Just because a set has subsets doesnt mean it isnt a set. There is a Western culture. This doesnt mean all Western countries are very homogenious. Just because Belgium and USA are very different, we cant say there is no western culture. I haven't said there is no islamic culture. What I'm saying is that you have to examine the local cultures - which has a more direct influence on the immigrants- more closely before jumping to the conclusion that the muslim culture is to blame.

If, say, 100.000 westeners had moved to China, and 100 of them raped chinese women - you should not blame western culture. If all of the rapists came from the same country, it would be more reasonable to assume that there was a local factor in that country that had influenced the rapists.

In this case, we don't know enough. To blame muslim culture based on this, is to paint with a far to wide brush.

Most non-western immigrants are muslim. Most rapes are done by non-western immigrants.
Not a reasonable conclusion? :rolleyes:
No.

You are asking for 100% proof. Refer to my previous post. Besides, ask any objective danish. I know you wouldnt believe me about Oslo.
I'm not asking for 100% proof. I'm saying that the article doesn't say what you think it does, and that you need stronger evidence to base your arguments and assumptions on.

I can't post the link to the site, it shows the girl's face and it is MESSED UP. :mad: . Otherwise I would.

35 pages overnight. Wow.
Don't feel to bad. I've already linked to Fjordmans bullshit, so people can find it if they really want.

I can't post the link to the site, it shows the girl's face and it is MESSED UP. :mad: . Otherwise I would.

35 pages overnight. Wow.

I think I know what site you're talking about. Bloody.

You know, i think it's funny, the way people shout "racist" at anyone who even murmurs the word "Muslim", or "Islam", when they themselves are intolerant of fascists or nazis, or whatever.

Why is it funny? Well, in this case, people are being intolerant of intolerance. Those groups are recognized as intolerant, so people are intolerant towards them. Fair enough. But when people, afilliated with a religion (or a certain interpretation of it), are intolerant of others (in this case, as in saying western women are asking for it for not covering themselves, they are being intolerant of the openness of western culture, Yes, there IS a western culture, despite it's "divisions"), the situation changes. Why? Why is it that being intolerant of a religion that is itself intolerant worse than being intolerant of a political movement that is intolerant too.

If, say, 100.000 westeners had moved to China, and 100 of them raped chinese women - you should not blame western culture. If all of the rapists came from the same country, it would be more reasonable to assume that there was a local factor in that country that had influenced the rapists.

If western culture was known for not condemning or encouraging rape of native women, then i would, and i bet that so would he, and any reasonable person.

Personally, i think rape is a disgusting and horrendous crime, no matter how you look at it. How is stating that there is a increasing percentage of muslims commiting that crime racism? If it's fact, don't let political correctness blind you. He's not saying that All muslims are rapists, or that all rapes are commited by muslims.
However, people do tend to react in a (even) worse manner to these crimes when they are commited by immigrants, be they muslims or any other, because they are outsiders. Outsiders who they have, in a way, welcomed into a "world" they and their ancestors built. They trusted them enough to share their "home" with them. And when even one of them outsiders commits a crime like that, the natives feel betrayed, like their trust was misplaced, and that feeling is sometimes enough to set aside any rational consideration on the matter.

If they want tolerance, in a land in which they do not belong, then they become tolerant themselves. Those that do, should be allowed to stay and live their lives as they see fit. Those that don't, should be banished from Europe.

I can't post the link to the site, it shows the girl's face and it is MESSED UP. :mad: . Otherwise I would.

35 pages overnight. Wow.

Sir.
You started this thread with a long and unattributed rant.
Now, "35 pages" of opinions later (which I doubt you read much of), that's all you've got to offer? A 'hate' icon, a single anecdotal case which you won't link to, and a little smirk about how great you are for stirring up opinions?

Google shows the first part of your article to be from a blog, Fjordman. Is there some reason that this name doesn't appear on the original post? Perhaps no-one would go near it if they recognized you as the poster?

Yes, you have the right to repost things you wrote under different handles. It doesn't exactly reek of credibility, though does it?

I haven't heard anything about a muslim raping epidemic in Canada, and we have a lot of muslim immigrants too...

Hmmm. So much for immigration and openness, it seems. I'm not even going to post the pics of what the girl looked like after the assault/rape. Horrible. The savages should be castrated and chained to a poll to freeze to death while stuck to an iceberg. Waay too kind.
Do you have a credible link for this story?

Do you have a credible link for this story?
Having googled this myself, all links point to a story and the pic would get you deated.

The pic is fairly horrific.

It would be difficult to rape these Swedish women...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_watching2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_group_prematch2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_group2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_gnv_czs.jpg

It would be difficult to rape these Swedish women...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_watching2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_group_prematch2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_group2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_gnv_czs.jpg
I don't usually like blondes, but the one with the braids is hot.

I haven't heard anything about a muslim raping epidemic in Canada, and we have a lot of muslim immigrants too...
I suggest you deport them all before they do. It's obviously inevitable that eventually all muslims will turn into rapists, because that is their plan to rule the world. Either you do that or start teaching non-muslims boys to rape muslim girls, to annihilate this pathetic and dangerous creed. Death to muslims!

I suggest you deport them all before you do. It's obviously inevitable that eventually all muslims will turn into rapists, because that is their plan to rule the world. Either you do that or start teaching non-muslims boys to rape muslim girls, to annihilate this pathetic and dangerous creed. Death to muslims!


Ah - you were the wisest of angels. Once.

*spatters you with Holy Water*

Google shows the first part of your article to be from a blog, Fjordman. Is there some reason that this name doesn't appear on the original post? Perhaps no-one would go near it if they recognized you as the poster?
It appears that quite a few of the articles are linked from the Fjordman blog. If I am not mistaken, it would appear that this blogger is biased against Muslims.

At any rate, here is Fjordman's profile from his blog site:

http://www.blogger.com/profile/7128119

It provides nothing to identify him/herself.

If one does a search for "Immigrant Rape Wave in Sweden", one might find the picture that DM is reluctant to post.

It is difficult to attach any credibility to this, especially considering that the OP has referred to Muslims as "ragheads" in previous posts.

Consider
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_watching2.jpg

and then...

http://www.voccoquan.com/SteveR/images/burkha.JPG

and that might explain things.

Yep. Definitely on the Western side.

Ah - you were the wisest of angels. Once.

*spatters you with Holy Water*
Do you think Holy Water works against Satan? ROFL

I drink Holy Water every day! HA-HA-HA...

Do you think Holy Water works against Satan? ROFL

I drink Holy Water every day! HA-HA-HA...

And virgin blood, of course.

I suggest you deport them all before they do. It's obviously inevitable that eventually all muslims will turn into rapists, because that is their plan to rule the world. Either you do that or start teaching non-muslims boys to rape muslim girls, to annihilate this pathetic and dangerous creed. Death to muslims!
Take the teleport back to Hell and you will be fine there.

And virgin blood, of course.
The finest of all beverages, followed by non-virgin innocent blood.

Take the teleport back to Hell and you will be fine there.
I am in Hell! Where do you think Hell is, little thing? Somewhere after death? HA-HA-HA! I rule this world! It is you who is blinded by your love.

www.anti-cair.org

CAIR wants to turn America into an Islamist state-think Iran is bad? Wait till these guys get into power.
They're a terrorist organization in my estimation. They have people with known links to terrorism in their organization, and they embrace a muslim-supremacist ideology. The only difference between them and Al Qaeda is that they've decided (for now) to use the courts and the culture of political correctness to attack America instead of overt violence.

I am in Hell! Where do you think Hell is, little thing? Somewhere after death? HA-HA-HA! I rule this world! It is you who is blinded by your love.
I rather enjoy this hell.

I rather enjoy this hell.
Good, little thing, good. And you will enjoy it much more when my plan is finally consumated and becomes visible for all of you to see it.

I am in Hell! Where do you think Hell is, little thing? Somewhere after death? HA-HA-HA! I rule this world! It is you who is blinded by your love.
I may be blinded by love but you are consumed by your hatred.....run along now.

They're a terrorist organization in my estimation. They have people with known links to terrorism in their organization, and they embrace a muslim-supremacist ideology. The only difference between them and Al Qaeda is that they've decided (for now) to use the courts and the culture of political correctness to attack America instead of overt violence.
A very clever move indeed. How fortunate that my evangelist little things have also learned that trick.

It would be difficult to rape these Swedish women...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_watching2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_group_prematch2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_group2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dursbagelheimen/sbt_gnv_czs.jpg


whoa! I wouldn't want to rape them, but do you think they'd get violent if I tried to seduce them?
;)

Please insert a link to source of the story within 24 hours, or the thread will be locked as plagiarist C&P spam and trolling.

Can we just lock it so people don't dumpster dive anymore?

The topic has been beat to death.

Pretty please with sugar on top?

I will be your best friend if you do!

:p

Schrandtopia']these are not people, they are institutions

America killed hundreds of thousands of Indians but that was the fault of individuals and not the system

Same for the Heilig Germany and German.
Heu with that kind of logic you should say american people are respomsible for Islamist bombers who are not happy with the US way of dealing the Palestinian trouble... Not the US Gvt.
Or maybe the US people is not well informed?

Yes Israeli killed hundreds of people that not the Government responsability, just the people wo shooted... yeah, sure..
Yeah sure the US Gvt and gw bush are not responsible for all the Iraki dead since 2 years, that's Saddam fault... yes sure...
that was the fault of individuals and not the system

By the way it's long to wait for a proper 92FS as they are so many orders from soldiers in Irak...
that was the fault of individuals and not the system

I haven't said there is no islamic culture. What I'm saying is that you have to examine the local cultures - which has a more direct influence on the immigrants- more closely before jumping to the conclusion that the muslim culture is to blame.


What local cultures? There isnt ONE SINGLE muslim country where women is not repressed. All muslim immigrants come from countries where women are seen as 2nd class citizens. So all local cultures are similar at this point and hence I refer all of those cultures as islamic culture.


If, say, 100.000 westeners had moved to China, and 100 of them raped chinese women - you should not blame western culture. If all of the rapists came from the same country, it would be more reasonable to assume that there was a local factor in that country that had influenced the rapists.


I wouldnt blame it on western culture because women are accepted as equals (more or less) in the West. However, this isnt the case with muslims. Many muslims see women who doesnt wear head scarfs as indecent. And many muslims see women as 2nd class citizens. Hence some muslims justify rape based on these reasons and other reasons and that increases the rate of rapes committed by muslims. So there are definately cultural issues here. You are being blind.


In this case, we don't know enough. To blame muslim culture based on this, is to paint with a far to wide brush.


What should be blame for the fact that there isnt ONE SINGLE muslim country where women is not repressed? Economy? Look at UAE. Democracy? Look at Turkey and Malaysia? What should we blame? Aliens?

No.


We disagree

I'm not asking for 100% proof. I'm saying that the article doesn't say what you think it does, and that you need stronger evidence to base your arguments and assumptions on.

Read the above answer.

What local cultures? There isnt ONE SINGLE muslim country where women is not repressed. All muslim immigrants come from countries where women are seen as 2nd class citizens. So all local cultures are similar at this point and hence I refer all of those cultures as islamic culture.

To be fair, there's pretty much no culture on Earth where women aren't repressed to one degree or another.


I wouldnt blame it on western culture because women are accepted as equals (more or less) in the West.
As an actual woman, allow me to assure you that I have had to fight to be tolerated as an equal for pretty much my whole life, and I've never lived outside the Western world.

It appears that quite a few of the articles are linked from the Fjordman blog. If I am not mistaken, it would appear that this blogger is biased against Muslims.

At any rate, here is Fjordman's profile from his blog site:

http://www.blogger.com/profile/7128119

It provides nothing to identify him/herself.

If one does a search for "Immigrant Rape Wave in Sweden", one might find the picture that DM is reluctant to post.

It is difficult to attach any credibility to this, especially considering that the OP has referred to Muslims as "ragheads" in previous posts.

These are statistics for rapes committed by non-western immigrants. This category is mostly composed of muslims.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/62605.html

DesignatedMarksman, can you edit the OP with these links?

To be fair, there's pretty much no culture on Earth where women aren't repressed to one degree or another.


You are right. But the situation in West is light years better than in muslim countries. For ex: 90% of women in Turkey are subjected to violence by their husbands or boyfriends. Women in Malaysia are subjected to Islamic law which is heavily biased towards men. I'm not even giving examples of the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia.


As an actual woman, allow me to assure you that I have had to fight to be tolerated as an equal for pretty much my whole life, and I've never lived outside the Western world.

Where are you from again? I dont think this is an issue here, I havent heard of any girl or women complaining. Maybe except few exceptions I've read on newspaper or something...
But again, West is light years ahead than muslim world when it comes to the rights of women.

What local cultures? There isnt ONE SINGLE muslim country where women is not repressed. All muslim immigrants come from countries where women are seen as 2nd class citizens. So all local cultures are similar at this point and hence I refer all of those cultures as islamic culture.
Which is a mistake. The culture across the islamic world is extremely diverse. This is what you refuse to acknowledge.
I wouldnt blame it on western culture because women are accepted as equals (more or less) in the West. However, this isnt the case with muslims. Many muslims see women who doesnt wear head scarfs as indecent. And many muslims see women as 2nd class citizens. Hence some muslims justify rape based on these reasons and other reasons and that increases the rate of rapes committed by muslims. So there are definately cultural issues here. You are being blind.

I would make the claim that it's you who are being blind. You jump to conclusions and make sweeping generalisations. And you do not differentiate between immigrants from different cultures - and that is a mistake, in my opinion.

What should be blame for the fact that there isnt ONE SINGLE muslim country where women is not repressed? Economy? Look at UAE. Democracy? Look at Turkey and Malaysia? What should we blame? Aliens?
I'm not saying that the religion isn't a factor, but I'm saying that it's one factor out of many. You seem to be out to place the blame only on religion.

What should be blamed for the fact that women are mistreated in countries like Bolivia, Columbia, India, Mexico etc, since these are not countries with a muslim majority?

We disagree
This is correct
These are statistics for rapes committed by non-western immigrants. This category is mostly composed of muslims.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/62605.html

DesignatedMarksman, can you edit the OP with these links?
Don't. They are not sufficiently relevant, AND there have been lots of threads on these before. We do not need another.

This is C&P spam.

You are right. But the situation in West is light years better than in muslim countries. For ex: 90% of women in Turkey are subjected to violence by their husbands or boyfriends. Women in Malaysia are subjected to Islamic law which is heavily biased towards men. I'm not even giving examples of the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia.

I think we'd better get our own house in order before we presume to criticize somebody else.


Where are you from again? I dont think this is an issue here, I havent heard of any girl or women complaining.

Then you haven't been listening. If you live somewhere in the Western world, and if there are any female human beings where you live, then there are female human beings being repressed. And I assure you, we are complaining.


Maybe except few exceptions I've read on newspaper or something...
But again, West is light years ahead than muslim world when it comes to the rights of women.
Doesn't matter. That's like saying, "My husband only gives me a black eye once a month, so it's no big deal."

Which is a mistake. The culture across the islamic world is extremely diverse. This is what you refuse to acknowledge.


Having said China is "homogenous" ethinically, NN definitely shows that he is unable to see diversity in other cultures. I'm fairly certain to him he just lumps all the "them" into one big group just to oversimplify and justify his xenophobia.

Please insert a link to source of the story within 24 hours, or the thread will be locked as plagiarist C&P spam and trolling.
What are you looking for? A link to the blog this was copied from? It probably shouldn't be posted due to one graphic picture on that page. However, there has already been posted links to the site of Fjordman, the blogger behind this little rant, so one can find the page if one goes on from there.

What are you looking for? A link to the blog this was copied from? It probably shouldn't be posted due to one graphic picture on that page. However, there has already been posted links to the site of Fjordman, the blogger behind this little rant, so one can find the page if one goes on from there.
Well, looking at the content I figure that particular rule violation is a trivial matter anyway. *Click*