NationStates Jolt Archive

Well, you could say that the abortion debate that many Christian fundamentalists engage in is alien to modern European culture, and is therefore incompatible with the EU.

You could use that argument to say that Ireland can never be in Europe.
Christianity has always been a part of Europe and in many ways Christianity= western European culture. Islam is a foreign presence in Europe which could cause problems.

I am convinced that Assis is 12 years old.
and you are so very wrong i'm afraid...

and you would know? continue exposing your ignorance, please... continue damaging your credibility, please. you are only doing me a favour...
I'm not damaging my credibility. Most people are smart enough to see i'm joking at your stupidity.

I'm not damaging my credibility. Most people are smart enough to see i'm joking at your stupidity.
most people are smart enough to see your ignorance is a joke.

most people are smart enough to see your ignorance is a joke.
Read what people are saying about you in this very thread. Many comments about you, not many about me.

Read what people are saying about you in this very thread. Many comments about you, not many about me.
that's because the only people talking about me in this thread are obviously religious bigots and racists. so i'm happy taking all the insult from them.

that's because the only people talking about me in this thread are obviously religious bigots and racists. so i'm happy taking all the insult from them.

2 words.
Yeah. Right.

and you would know? continue exposing your ignorance, please... continue damaging your credibility, please. you are only doing me a favour...

Both of you are doing us all a favour.
It is very instructive, in the context of a difficult issue (relations between the sexes, religious prescription vs. personal morality, the role of law in morality) to see a couple of real men have a fight over their personal honour. Using words like "liar" and "fascist."

It reminds us of why we're actually here, and warns us of the risks of taking things personally.

Thankyou.

I cannot beleive all of the hatred I am reading about in this Thread...Rape is rape and it is wrong!!! :mad: The people commiting the crimes should be raped themselves...There is no reason for that kind of treatment no matter what race, religion, ethnic background, etc...
:upyours: And for those beleiving that muslim is the work or decendents of the devil, thats just rediculious and you should be struck down with a bolt of lightning!!!
Let the people be

that's because the only people talking about me in this thread are obviously religious bigots and racists. so i'm happy taking all the insult from them.
What religious bigotry have you seen in this thread? Also bogmarsh isn't racist for providing stats, judging from stats alone we can see that what the OP was saying is true but everyone knows the stats aren't always right. You are receiving the insults based on you as a person not your beliefs, Don't fool yourself into thinking you're a good person really.

Christianity has always been a part of Europe and in many ways Christianity= western European culture. Islam is a foreign presence in Europe which could cause problems.
christianity has caused many problems in europe in the past and it was not always in europe. most people here are happy to ignore their own roots; norse mythology. i've argued they should deport all christians and muslims leaving only the believers in norse mythology.

Both of you are doing us all a favour.
It is very instructive, in the context of a difficult issue (relations between the sexes, religious prescription vs. personal morality, the role of law in morality) to see a couple of real men have a fight over their personal honour. Using words like "liar" and "fascist."

It reminds us of why we're actually here, and warns us of the risks of taking things personally.

Thankyou.
I'm having fun, hes the one taking it seriously.

Both of you are doing us all a favour.
It is very instructive, in the context of a difficult issue (relations between the sexes, religious prescription vs. personal morality, the role of law in morality) to see a couple of real men have a fight over their personal honour. Using words like "liar" and "fascist."

It reminds us of why we're actually here, and warns us of the risks of taking things personally.

Thankyou.
i'm not fighting for my honour, i'm fighting for innocent muslims that have nothing to do with rape.

kindergarden talk... makes you so credible, rational and sane at your age...
Notice how two different posters two days in a row have stopped posting any serious responses to your threads? Take a hint, brush up on your arguments or nobody will take you seriously.

I cannot beleive all of the hatred I am reading about in this Thread...Rape is rape and it is wrong!!! :mad: The people commiting the crimes should be raped themselves...There is no reason for that kind of treatment no matter what race, religion, ethnic background, etc...
:upyours: And for those beleiving that muslim is the work or decendents of the devil, thats just rediculious and you should be struck down with a bolt of lightning!!!
Let the people be

Here's a deal. When every Muslim is deported from Britain, I'll stop berating them. Easy heh?

I'm having fun, hes the one taking it seriously.
you're having fun throwing a blanket at muslims?

you're having fun throwing a blanket at muslims?
Talk sense, i haven't said anything about muslims since the early pages when someone proved me wrong. I'm simply throwing a blanket at you.

Notice how two different posters two days in a row have stopped posting any serious responses to your threads? Take a hint, brush up on your arguments or nobody will take you seriously.
my threads are about possibilities, not blind dogma.

I cannot beleive all of the hatred I am reading about in this Thread...Rape is rape and it is wrong!!! :mad: The people commiting the crimes should be raped themselves...

Interesting. We'd need to employ a new catagory of prison warder tho. The professional rapist. Would they need a college degree to do that ? ;)

Talk sense, i haven't said anything about muslims since the early pages when someone proved me wrong. I'm simply throwing a blanket at you.
so why are you picking on me, when all i'm doing here is speaking out against biggotry and racism?

Interesting. We'd need to employ a new catagory of prison warder tho. The professional rapist. Would they need a college degree to do that ? ;)
More fun than being the executioner, I warrant.

Here's a deal. When every Muslim is deported from Britain, I'll stop berating them. Easy heh?

Yeah right you would. People like you always find some excuse to whine about some scapegoat group. And you'd just look at the international scene instead, clucking like a hen and filling the air with self-righteous Muslim-bashing because of teh evil Middle East or Turkey or Somalia.

Don't act like your hate will disappear just if you got your wish. Nazis didn't stop being anti-semites just because all the jews disappeared.

Interesting. We'd need to employ a new catagory of prison warder tho. The professional rapist. Would they need a college degree to do that ? ;)
I always said an appropriate punishment would be 10 minutes with the victims family and friends.

so why are you picking on me, when all i'm doing here is speaking out against biggotry and racism?
Because the people you are speaking out against aren't racists! read the whole thread!

Because the people you are speaking out against aren't racists! read the whole thread!
you fail to mention that they are not religious bigots or that they fail to address article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

you fail to mention that they are not religious bigots or that they fail to address article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Aren't they the same rights that mean you can't beat up a burglar in your home?

Yeah right you would. People like you always find some excuse to whine about some scapegoat group. And you'd just look at the international scene instead, clucking like a hen and filling the air with self-righteous Muslim-bashing because of teh evil Middle East or Turkey or Somalia.

Don't act like your hate will disappear just if you got your wish. Nazis didn't stop being anti-semites just because all the jews disappeared.

So judgemental? It would appear that your tolerant sentiments do not extent to those who disagree with you. Bad form.

Incidentally, I neither hate Islam, nor the Islamic states. In a purely Isalmic world, or an Islamic state, I find Islamic conventions to be laudable. However, they are incompatible with Western morality and legislation, as are their insular social conventions.

you fail to mention that they are not religious bigots or that they fail to address article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

The one you still have not proven trumps the EU charter?

my threads are about possibilities, not blind dogma.
No, you're a bullshit salesman with a keyboard full of free samples. You can't back up any of your statements and you ignore any facts presented to you. Remember your statement to me yesterday?

i don't need to read books, i've heard Bin Laden talk all over the news, i've watched documentaries about saudi arabia and afghanistan, i have a friend living in dubai.

Books, facts, that's worthless, right? All that matters is the crap you come up with in your uneducated, inexperienced head.

you fail to mention that they are not religious bigots or that they fail to address article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

The signal problem being, and I speak for my young conservative colleagues and I, we find the declaration to be restrictive, idealistic and unteneble. Very much similar to all humn rights bills for the most part actually.

Aren't they the same rights that mean you can't beat up a burglar in your home?
if they use violence, you have the right to self-defence. even if they don't use violence, you have the right to use all force necessary to detain them and hand them over to the authorities, not beat them senselessly.

if they use violence, you have the right to self-defence. even if they don't use violence, you have the right to use all force necessary to detain them and hand them over to the authorities, not beat them senselessly.

And yet a passable lawyer can contend that any degree of force is unnecessary. How very teneble.

No, you're a bullshit salesman with a keyboard full of free samples. You can't back up any of your statements and you ignore any facts presented to you. Remember your statement to me yesterday?

Books, facts, that's worthless, right? All that matters is the crap you come up with in your uneducated, inexperienced head.
so easy to take comments out of their context for your own purposes, isn't it? you fail to mention that i said i have read many books and that these days i prefer to use the internet, since it's cheaper...

so easy to take comments out of their context for your own purposes, isn't it? you fail to mention that i said i have read many books and that these days i prefer to use the internet, since it's cheaper...
Trust me, that statement doesn't make you seem any smarter.

christianity has caused many problems in europe in the past and it was not always in europe. most people here are happy to ignore their own roots; norse mythology. i've argued they should deport all christians and muslims leaving only the believers in norse mythology.
Christianity has deep roots in the modern Europe we know today, this is not true of Islam, not even close.

And yet a passable lawyer can contend that any degree of force is unnecessary. How very teneble.
then what is wrong is allowing lawyers to do so, not the fundamental law. otherwise, you can detain a burglar and then beat him up to death and get away with murder.

i do believe that murder and sensessless beatings are more serious than burglary.

I'm sick of these namby-pamby do-gooders who can't bring their pretty little selves to believe that actually there are some pretty disurbing people in the world, following pretty disturbing religious and cultural beliefs. So they end up being more extreme than anyone with the desperate cries that actually anything bad like this is made up by neo-nazis and actually every single muslim is totally saintly and lovely.
B*llocks. Yep, there's muslims and muslims. Think that kind of goes without saying, doesn't it? And yep, European culture hasn't always been that hot, but just cos you're complaining about another culture doesn't mean that you're saying your own is perfect. Simply, there's people, like me, who get pretty pissed off that not only do we have our own sexually deviant scumbags to deal with, but we're now also apparently expected to understand and accept the whacko mysogynistic attitudes of other countries' sexually deviant scumbags. Who seem, statistically, to be more prone to raping women and generally treating them like sh*t. And often seem quite proud of this fact.
So stop assuming that anyone who's objecting to this kind of behaviour is some kind of indiscriminate muslim-hater, and just accept that the world can be a horrible place and some people who care about reality get bothered by the people/cultures who make it particularly horrible. And it's not going to be made better by everyone being forced to pretend we love everyone else.

Christianity has deep roots in the modern Europe we know today, this is not true of Islam, not even close.
still, i would argue there are second and third generation muslims living in europe, who have left their tax money behind. they have as much right to be there.

Trust me, that statement doesn't make you seem any smarter.
neither reading books by default. just more informed about the perspectives you choose to read, not smarter.

The signal problem being, and I speak for my young conservative colleagues and I, we find the declaration to be restrictive, idealistic and unteneble. Very much similar to all humn rights bills for the most part actually.

Oh no. You aren't serious either.
And I thought you might be better than the other Chris's I know. Oh well.
Look, if UN declarations were practical and down-to-earth, they'd conflict massively with the practical, corrupt practices of almost every government on earth. The UN is a dream. Don't diss the dream.

neither reading books by default. just more informed, not smarter.
No, it's actually dumb to cut out an entire form of information (books) and rely solely on the internet. What's the matter, can't figure out how to drive to the free public library?

So judgemental? It would appear that your tolerant sentiments do not extent to those who disagree with you. Bad form.


"Tolerant sentiments?" Is that some sort of canned Ann Coulter response? Gonna call me a Euro-wimp, an Apologist, a Leftist now? Bad form indeed. I never claimed to be tolerant of things that disgust me, like rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth anti-immigration ignorance. So sorry. ;)


Incidentally, I neither hate Islam, nor the Islamic states.

You are lying, but I wonder if you're trying to convince me, or yourself.

then what is wrong is allowing lawyers to do so, not the fundamental law. otherwise, you can't just detain a burglar and then beat him up to death and get away with murder.

i do believe that murder and sensessless beatings are more serious than burglary.

Good for you. I personally consider the ownership of one's home, and the rights it accords, to be superior to those of somebody in the process of intentionally breaking the law.

Oh no. You aren't serious either.
And I thought you might be better than the other Chris's I know. Oh well.
Look, if UN declarations were practical and down-to-earth, they'd conflict massively with the practical, corrupt practices of almost every government on earth. The UN is a dream. Don't diss the dream.

The UN is a perfectly operative entity. However, I would rather a limited and basic set of inviolable human rights be utilised, with additions subject to national preferences.

No, it's actually dumb to cut out an entire form of information (books) and rely solely on the internet. What's the matter, can't figure out how to drive to the free public library?
i don't have a car or a library nearby...

BBC, Washington Post, CNN, The Guardian, The Independent, Reuters and the like online are just a load of rubbish, aren't they?

I'm sick of these namby-pamby do-gooders who can't bring their pretty little selves to believe that actually there are some pretty disurbing people in the world, following pretty disturbing reli ... whacko mysogynistic attitudes of other countries' sexually deviant scumba ... thered by the people/cultures who make it particularly horrible. And it's not going to be made better by everyone being forced to pretend we love everyone else.

Welcome to the forum. Love your vocals. Can you pluck a banjo with that ?

i don't have a car or a library nearby...

BBC, Washington Post, CNN, The Guardian, The Independent, Reuters and the like online are just a load of rubbish, aren't they?
They're incomplete. They're limited in scope. You can't get the same in depth analysis of the history of any issue through short news stories as you can by reading several books on the subject. The fact that you can't figure that out tells me something about you. Actually it just confirms my suspicion that you're a dumb teenage kid.

"Tolerant sentiments?" Is that some sort of canned Ann Coulter response? Gonna call me a Euro-wimp, an Apologist, a Leftist now? Bad form indeed. I never claimed to be tolerant of things that disgust me, like rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth anti-immigration ignorance. So sorry. ;)



You are lying, but I wonder if you're trying to convince me, or yourself.

I happen to quite like Islam, however its inherent intolerance and endorsement of violence renders it incompatible with non-Islamic states.

How on earth could I label you a "Euro-wimp"? I happen to be Euro-file Britain. Apologists do indeed make be nauseus, and the left wing are idealists.

Name one good reason why immigrants should both be welcomed, and not deported.

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It's a very emotive topic, I know, but. Is rape worse than murder ?


Interesting topic --- in fact, great topic --- but it's a separate thread.

They're incomplete. They're limited in scope. You can't get the same in depth analysis of the history of any issue through short news stories as you can by reading several books on the subject. The fact that you can't figure that out tells me something about you. Actually it just confirms my suspicion that you're a dumb teenage kid.
did i say they were the only things i read or are you twisting my arguments again? you're repeating unfounded name-calling, proving who's the ignorant here...

No, it's actually dumb to cut out an entire form of information (books) and rely solely on the internet. What's the matter, can't figure out how to drive to the free public library?
I could, or I could find more updated information online easier.
In general response.

The issue is one of endorsement. The Koran endorses an admittedly limited quantity of actions that contravene central tenets of European law; notably the murder of thoe who renege from the faith, "honour" killings, and, most pertinently, the use of unfettered violence in the defence of the faith.

The Bible endorses slavery, genocide, rape, child molestation, and murder. Yet, amazingly, the vast majority of Christians are not slave-owning genocidal rapists. Golly, I wonder if maybe Muslims might also be capable of similar self-control.


Whilst the validity of much of the Koran is dependent upon the extent to which one takes a fundamental perspective, that the Koran can be used in this manner, and, increasingly is, does cast aspersions upon quite why Muslim immigrants were welcomed.
I'm sure I'm a bit biased on this subject, because the Bible is the religious text that is being used as justification for the ongoing violation of my rights. I've yet to be violated by the Koran, but the Bible has been used as a weapon against me for my entire life.

The lesson I take away from this is not that the Bible is an inherently evil book, or that all people who follow the Bible are evil. Instead, I understand that rotten people will use the handiest tool they can find as a means to do rotten things. It's not the tool that should be blamed, but the rotten person. The Koran doesn't make people rape; rapists may use the Koran, or the Bible, to justify their actions. The fault, as always, is with the rapist. It is disgraceful to allow the rapist any excuse for their behavior.

i don't have a car or a library nearby...

BBC, Washington Post, CNN, The Guardian, The Independent, Reuters and the like online are just a load of rubbish, aren't they?

I'm 43, and I've never driven a car in my life. Most public libraries I've ever seen have a biased and out-of-date collection, with most of the best stuff stolen.
Relying on the internet is a sounder strategy than relying on your public library. Certainly heading that way, anyhow.

I say you're talking sense.

did i say they were the only things i read or are you twisting my arguments again? you're repeating unfounded name-calling, proving who's the ignorant here...
Your momma so fat her blood type is gravy.

Ask any non biased swede. And he'll tell you the muslim immigrants are responsible for most of the rapes. However, we cant link you directly to statistics because Sweden doesnt collect data as in rape vs religion.
Which isn't that strange since it would be a pointless exercise.

The situation is same in Denmark. And it's same in Oslo. The fact that there arent much muslims outside Oslo saves the norwegian girls elsewhere.
Another proof of rape vs immigrants is that rapes are increasing in very high rates as immigrants increase...
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece
You're mixing apples and glue here.
First of all, you're using the statistics on immigrants to bolster your argument that muslims are behind the "rape epidemic". You're jumping to conclusions here as we have no information about what religion, if any, these immigrants adhere to.
Secondly, this is hardly proof since this is the only study done, and it is concerning how many has been charged with a crime and not the rate of convictions.
This one is from Denmark. I guess most of these immigrants are actually christian latin americans or maybe atheist chineese. That's why the muslim organisation feel the need to step in. I mean, muslims are so peaceful and so great that they feel the need to do something against these "christian" rapes. Oh if you havent figured so far, keep the sarcasm as a gift. Bear in mind that muslims constitude only 2% of the population in Denmark
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/62605.html
We already did an entire thread on this article, remember? It doesn't say what you think/want it to say.

There's not much to twist. Kindly stop posting to me until you graduate high school and maybe grow some pubes, kid.
again, your argument skills fill me with light...

The Bible endorses slavery, genocide, rape, child molestation, and murder. Yet, amazingly, the vast majority of Christians are not slave-owning genocidal rapists. Golly, I wonder if maybe Muslims might also be capable of similar self-control.


I'm sure I'm a bit biased on this subject, because the Bible is the religious text that is being used as justification for the ongoing violation of my rights. I've yet to be violated by the Koran, but the Bible has been used as a weapon against me for my entire life.

The lesson I take away from this is that rotten people will use the handiest tool they can find as a means to do rotten things. It's not the tool that should be blamed, but the rotten person. The Koran doesn't make people rape; rapists may use the Koran, or the Bible, to justify their actions. The fault, as always, is with the rapist. It is disgraceful to allow the rapist any excuse for their behavior.

Well indeed. the Bible, despite the nominal "secularism" of the west, remains inextricable from both its moral and behavioural imperatives, and its legisaltion.

However, given the religious self-interest and violence advocated in the Koran, and the relative ardour of a conisderable proportion of Muslims, can we truly accept that a Biblical, and thus Christian, based state, is condusive to the intergration of Islam?

Your momma so fat her blood type is gravy.
please continue offending my 60 year old mother... just proves the type of person you are... i think i'll use that as my signature for a while...

However, given the religious self-interest and violence advocated in the Koran, and the relative ardour of a conisderable proportion of Muslims, can we truly accept that a Biblical, and thus Christian, based state, is condusive to the intergration of Islam?
It is entirely possible that a Biblically-based state would not be able to accomodate integration of Islam, any more than an Islamic state would be able to fully accomodate integration of Christianity. To me, this is an excellent argument for dismantling all superstition-based states.

I happen to quite like Islam, however its inherent intolerance and endorsement of violence renders it incompatible with non-Islamic states.

On the one hand you say it endorses violence, on the other you say you like it. The first isn't true, but the second clearly is. And you wonder why anyone would disagree with you? You clearly enjoy violence.


How on earth could I label you a "Euro-wimp"? I happen to be Euro-file Britain. Apologists do indeed make be nauseus, and the left wing are idealists.

Good point. You're the Euro-wimp. "Waah! Bad foreigners, save me, help help help me big socialist nanny-state govment!" ;)

I've been called "Euro-wimp" by New Mitanni, who is kind of like you in that he hates Muslims, but different in that he admits he wants them all dead, not just deported.


Name one good reason why immigrants should both be welcomed, and not deported.

Because the free flow of labor is good for the economy. And the ideals of democracy sorta support the idea that immigrants are not inherently evil. And rationally, not all Muslim immigrants are baby-eating rapists. If we are to deport ethnic groups for having rapists among them, all ethnic groups would be deported.

please continue offending my 60 year old mother... just proves the type of person you are... i think i'll use that as my signature for a while...
Yet another person places me in their sig. Neat.

Name one good reason why immigrants should both be welcomed, and not deported.
Because when you've deported all the immigrants and yet you still have crime in your state, you won't be able to blame crime on the immigrants.

I'm 43, and I've never driven a car in my life. Most public libraries I've ever seen have a biased and out-of-date collection, with most of the best stuff stolen.
Relying on the internet is a sounder strategy than relying on your public library. Certainly heading that way, anyhow.

I say you're talking sense.
thank you...

Yet another person places me in their sig. Neat.
actually, i won't bother... my signature is much nicer than your hate-spit.

actually, i won't bother... my signature is much nicer than your hate-spit.
Aw, come on, please

Aw, come on, please
read your own words about my mother, after you have cooled your head...

On the one hand you say it endorses violence, on the other you say you like it. The first isn't true, but the second clearly is. And you wonder why anyone would disagree with you? You clearly enjoy violence.

Firstly, Islam does advocate violence in certain contexts. Secondly, I am, of not a pacifist, certainly no gun toting quake addict, nor have I intimated so in this thread.



Good point. You're the Euro-wimp. "Waah! Bad foreigners, save me, help help help me big socialist nanny-state govment!" ;)

I've been called "Euro-wimp" by New Mitanni, who is kind of like you in that he hates Muslims, but different in that he admits he wants them all dead, not just deported.

Meh. The right does attract a certain type of moron at times.....

As for all ethnic groups, well, wholesale deportation would please me greatly.



Because the free flow of labor is good for the economy. And the ideals of democracy sorta support the idea that immigrants are not inherently evil. And rationally, not all Muslim immigrants are baby-eating rapists. If we are to deport ethnic groups for having rapists among them, all ethnic groups would be deported. [/QUOTE]

Pertaining to all ethnic groups, well, wholesale deportation would please me greatly. In light of automisation of mass labour, and overpopulation, such an argument is a fallacy.

Because when you've deported all the immigrants and yet you still have crime in your state, you won't be able to blame crime on the immigrants.

Regarding indiginous crime, I consider poverty, degeneracy and lack of discipline to be culpable.

Regarding indiginous crime, I consider poverty, degeneracy and lack of discipline to be culpable.
But when it comes to immigrants, their foreign-ness is to blame?

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EDIT: can flum be bottled? Serious questions these. Yes, I'm drunk.

Here's a deal. When every Muslim is deported from Britain, I'll stop berating them. Easy heh?


Sorry, he's suffering from the delusion that he's one of the people who "belongs" in Britain and would be left after the "immigrants" are thrown out. History wasn't his strong subject even before the illness took hold.

I keep telling the orderlies to keep him locked in his room, but you just can't get the help these days.

read your own words about my mother, after you have cooled your head...
Take a joke, dude. It wasn't meant to actually offend. If it did I'm sorry. Hell, if you want I'll delete it.

Firstly, Islam does advocate violence in certain contexts.

In 'certain contexts.' Like, the context of people who WANT it to advocate violence.

Same with any other religion.

Secondly, I am, of not a pacifist, certainly no gun toting quake addict, nor have I intimated so in this thread.

Strawman.

Meh. The right does attract a certain type of moron at times.....

That's the funny thing. New Mitanni and yourself aren't "right" oriented. You oppose capitalism, for one thing.

As for all ethnic groups, well, wholesale deportation would please me greatly.


You realize you are part of an ethnic group? EVERYONE IS.

So a world full of empty nations would please you greatly?



Pertaining to all ethnic groups, well, wholesale deportation would please me greatly. In light of automisation of mass labour, and overpopulation, such an argument is a fallacy.

No, it isn't. "Automisation" doesn't mean people are unnecessary. Please take an economics class and get back to me.

Take a joke, dude. It wasn't meant to actually offend. If it did I'm sorry. Hell, if you want I'll delete it.
it was a very distasteful joke but i accept your apologies. no hard feelings.

In 'certain contexts.' Like, the context of people who WANT it to advocate violence.

Same with any other religion.



Strawman.



That's the funny thing. New Mitanni and yourself aren't "right" oriented. You oppose capitalism, for one thing.



You realize you are part of an ethnic group? EVERYONE IS.

So a world full of empty nations would please you greatly?




No, it isn't. "Automisation" doesn't mean people are unnecessary. Please take an economics class and get back to me.

Do explain to me both what "strawman " constitutes, for those of us who speak classical English, and indeed, why there is any economic imperative for immigration?

Moreover, when have I asserted against capitalism as an economic theory?

Furthermore, I was rather hoping you would have the wit to differentiate between the sense of ethnic group in a global sense, and pertinent to a n individual state wherin the majority are not considered "ethnic".

The Bible endorses slavery, genocide, rape, child molestation, and murder. Yet, amazingly, the vast majority of Christians are not slave-owning genocidal rapists. Golly, I wonder if maybe Muslims might also be capable of similar self-control.

The difference is that many Christians have a Pope/Patriarch telling them NOT to do bad stuff. They also happen to not believe that their holy book was written by their god.

Sorry, he's suffering from the delusion that he's one of the people who "belongs" in Britain and would be left after the "immigrants" are thrown out. History wasn't his strong subject even before the illness took hold.

I keep telling the orderlies to keep him locked in his room, but you just can't get the help these days.

Does Britain have a history of raising the crescent concurrent to the cross? Oddly, and omitting the delusion of John I, no.

I have already adressed the indiginous Britain I wield in regard to immigration, however you failed to consider such an explanation.

"Strawman" is where you put up a parody, or at least very flawed version of the opposition point, then knock it down. It's old.

EDIT: the economic imperative for immigration is that with an increasing population, it's easier to have economic growth. More mouths to feed, more need for housing, more citizens desperate for work at any wage. Immigrants (particularly economic immigrants, the ones who come for the money they can make) work harder than indigenes. It's a win/win.

"Strawman" is where you put up a parody, or at least very flawed version of the opposition point, then knock it down. It's old.

Oddly, my explanation constituted an impeccable sidestep, thus I rather believe my counterpart has a deep sense of irony.

Interesting. We'd need to employ a new catagory of prison warder tho. The professional rapist. Would they need a college degree to do that ? ;)

no. just bend the rapist over and strap him across a tree stump. then paint him with mare pheromone and guide a few blindfolded horny stallions into position to take turns on him.

film it and show the video over and over to minor offenders who haven't 'graduated' to sexual assault or rape yet, so they know what to expect.

one last thing: if anyone somehow survives being raped by horses and commits the crime again, double the number of horses. keep doubling the number of stallions until he either gets the message or dies.

too brutal? okay, so just paint the rapists genitals with honey and stake him out on an ants' nest. it's a wimpy alternative, but it still might do the trick.

Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway - Authorities Look the Other Way



do you have any type of source for this article? cos I wont believe it unless it's been published by an actual newspaper. Lies are so easy to spread you know, especally on a subject as such

What religious bigotry have you seen in this thread? Also bogmarsh isn't racist for providing stats, judging from stats alone we can see that what the OP was saying is true but everyone knows the stats aren't always right. You are receiving the insults based on you as a person not your beliefs, Don't fool yourself into thinking you're a good person really.
What stats are you talking about?

The reason that I was so upset at this article last night was because of the blatant racism. I realize that the article is biased but the problem is that I would have been just as up set no matter what way the bias slanted. Racism is brought about by ignorance and unfortunately most religions are very good at trying to promote ignorance in specific cases. When it comes to rape I think that there is no excuse on the mans part and I think that woman defiantly don’t “ask for it.”
I think that the reason that we have such trouble with rape and rapists is that we don’t enforce the laws that we have, I would interject what I think the laws should be but this is not the place or the time to do that.

do you have any type of source for this article? cos I wont believe it unless it's been published by an actual newspaper. Lies are so easy to spread you know, especally on a subject as such
It's from a blog.

What stats are you talking about?
Read the whole thread, the ones provided by Ny nord-summit.

no. just bend the rapist over and strap him across a tree stump.

too brutal? okay, so just paint the rapists genitals with honey and stake him out on an ants' nest. it's a wimpy alternative, but it still might do the trick.
EDIT: Thought Transference says this all so much better, about 4 posts into the future. :)

I'm uneasy even answering your post, but:

you write from the objective viewpoint. WHO bends the rapist over a tree-stump. WHO paints their rectum with pheremones. ? You ?

The point I was trying to make is exactly that. When you prescribe one of these "eye-for-an-eye" punishments (which I can see the sense of BTW), you are asking the legal system to commit something which you acknowledge is a horrible crime. And employ someone to do the dirty work.
So not only does the system legitimate rape and torture (by commissioning it! And not from passion, but for justice!) but they provide a paid career for some individual to do the work. You think being the guy who ties the offender/victim over a stump and lets the horse into the enclosure is somehow better than an individual who drops their pants and gets wood?

I suggest you think this over. In private, with a box of tissues, if necessary.

Read the whole thread, the ones provided by Ny nord-summit.
These ones?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11249592&postcount=305

They aren't very compelling.

do you have any type of source for this article? cos I wont believe it unless it's been published by an actual newspaper. Lies are so easy to spread you know, especally on a subject as such

Congrats on referring to original post.
And very good point.
Original poster should use a handle like "DesignatedRandomSpewer" instead huh?

Congrats on referring to original post.
And very good point.
Original poster should use a handle like "DesignatedRandomSpewer" instead huh?
...and anything written by Fjordman (the original author of the "article") should be read very, very critically.

no. just bend the rapist over and strap him across a tree stump. then paint him with mare pheromone and guide a few blindfolded horny stallions into position to take turns on him.

film it and show the video over and over to minor offenders who haven't 'graduated' to sexual assault or rape yet, so they know what to expect.

one last thing: if anyone somehow survives being raped by horses and commits the crime again, double the number of horses. keep doubling the number of stallions until he either gets the message or dies.

too brutal? okay, so just paint the rapists genitals with honey and stake him out on an ants' nest. it's a wimpy alternative, but it still might do the trick.

I wish I thought you were joking but it all sounds so ... bitter and angry. So assuming you mean this, have you thought how counter-productive it could be? You're talking about using brutality to stop brutality, and then making porn-flicks (and probably snuff-flicks) out of it as well. I don't know about that. I could imagine there'd be a black market in those videos before the tenth convicted rapist could say, "AH-H-H-H!"

(And this last bit isn't really serious, but how do you know there aren't people out there who wouldn't naturally be inclined to commit rape, but would like to be raped by horses? They might decide committing rape is a small price to pay for fulfilling their ambition. I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be many, but do we want even one?)

Wow muslims are the lowest of the low. Noone else resorts to such behavior. :rolleyes: It's not like we have rape and battered women shelters and hotlines all over the US.

Wow muslims are the lowest of the low. Noone else resorts to such behavior. :rolleyes: It's not like we have rape and battered women shelters and hotlines all over the US.

Yes. But in the US, perpetrators get arrested, unlike European muslims.

Yes. But in the US, perpetrators get arrested, unlike European muslims.


really? people dont get arrested for rape in Europe? amazing!

really? people dont get arrested for rape in Europe? amazing!

muslims don't get arrested for rape in Europe, because we have to tolerate their culture.

really? people dont get arrested for rape in Europe? amazing!
Actually, in the US, it's fairly common for rapists to get away with it, largely because the woman never reports it, or doesn't report it in time for good DNA samples to be taken.

I'm uneasy even answering your post, but:

you write from the objective viewpoint. WHO bends the rapist over a tree-stump. WHO paints their rectum with pheremones. ? You ?

The point I was trying to make is exactly that. When you prescribe one of these "eye-for-an-eye" punishments (which I can see the sense of BTW), you are asking the legal system to commit something which you acknowledge is a horrible crime. And employ someone to do the dirty work.
So not only does the system legitimate rape and torture (by commissioning it! And not from passion, but for justice!) but they provide a paid career for some individual to do the work. You think being the guy who ties the offender/victim over a stump and lets the horse into the enclosure is somehow better than an individual who drops their pants and gets wood?

I suggest you think this over. In private, with a box of tissues, if necessary.

I've had a lot of time to think about this. on behalf of a loved one who was raped, I'd gladly do it. I bet a lot of victims and victims' families would do it. for free.

I don't see it as legitimating rape and torture. I see it as letting the rapist have a little internal consistency in his life. he thinks this a good thing when he does it to somebody else? fine. now he can be on the receiving end. let's just say it's the other side of the golden rule. I'd consider it that I was assuming he had done to someone as he wanted done to him. I'd jsut be making sure it was done to him.

Yes. But in the US, perpetrators get arrested, unlike European muslims.
Umm... The arguements in this thread is that so many muslim perpetrators do get arrested. How else would you know that they were, indeed, muslim immigrants?

Feel free to back up your arguement however. I've seen no indication that it has even the slightest ring of truth to it, but what links will you present?

*Holds breath in anticipation*

Part of a possible chain of evidence.
Not proof.

Islam by itself is not a culture.

But there is an islamic culture...

Actually, in the US, it's fairly common for rapists to get away with it, largely because the woman never reports it, or doesn't report it in time for good DNA samples to be taken.


exactly

Umm... The arguements in this thread is that so many muslim perpetrators do get arrested. How else would you know that they were, indeed, muslim immigrants?

Feel free to back up your arguement however. I've seen no indication that it has even the slightest ring of truth to it, but what links will you present?

*Holds breath in anticipation*

And how often are the prosecuted?

Umm... The arguements in this thread is that so many muslim perpetrators do get arrested. How else would you know that they were, indeed, muslim immigrants?

Feel free to back up your arguement however. I've seen no indication that it has even the slightest ring of truth to it, but what links will you present?

*Holds breath in anticipation*

*watches Gravlen turn blue*

that's a lovely shade :)

And how often are the prosecuted?

so your beef isn't with Muslims but with the law enforcement in Europe?

It would be just as accurate to say that the rape debate is another branch that proves men should not be permitted to live in Europe.

Perhaps, if men havent lived in Europe for tens of thousands of years. In many areas of Europe, islam has been there for like 40-50 years...

so your beef isn't with Muslims but with the law enforcement in Europe?

Yes, for tolerating their shitty criminal "culture".

Yes, for tolerating their shitty criminal "culture".


so are you ever going to provide proof that Europeans dont punish muslims for their crimes? I'm pretty sure I could find evidence that they actually do punish muslims for illegal activities, but the burden is on you for makign such wild claims.

*watches Gravlen turn blue*

that's a lovely shade :)
*mphf* ;)
And how often are the prosecuted?
I have no idea, but I would guess "just as often as any other criminal (actually I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bit more, because my impression is that immigrants tend to be prosecuted a little bit more vigorously then natives, in addition to it being easier to identify an unknown assailant if that person was an immigrant / looked foreign.)"
But that's just my guess, since I've seen nothing to the contrary.

Now, can you offer proof to your claim that muslims don't get prosecuted?

(Note also the difference between muslim immigrants and muslims.)

Which isn't that strange since it would be a pointless exercise.


It would expose the failures of a multi cultural society system.


You're mixing apples and glue here.
First of all, you're using the statistics on immigrants to bolster your argument that muslims are behind the "rape epidemic". You're jumping to conclusions here as we have no information about what religion, if any, these immigrants adhere to.


Most non-western immigrants are muslim. Mine was a resonable conclusion.


Secondly, this is hardly proof since this is the only study done, and it is concerning how many has been charged with a crime and not the rate of convictions.


Read my debate with Bottle. Your points have been answered.


We already did an entire thread on this article, remember? It doesn't say what you think/want it to say.

Cant you read the title of the news article???? Oh...and:

This one is from Denmark. I guess most of these immigrants are actually christian latin americans or maybe atheist chineese. That's why the muslim organisation feel the need to step in. I mean, muslims are so peaceful and so great that they feel the need to do something against these "christian" rapes. Oh if you havent figured so far, keep the sarcasm as a gift. Bear in mind that muslims constitude only 2% of the population in Denmark


http://www.cphpost.dk/get/62605.html

Any moment now, someone is going to start raving about how barbaric Sharia law is ... ;)

It's barbaric!

*dances on the tabletop*

Yes, for tolerating their shitty criminal "culture".

There's no law against culture, religion or heritage, you know. There are laws against crime, however, and those do get enforced.

Because when you've deported all the immigrants and yet you still have crime in your state, you won't be able to blame crime on the immigrants.

The crime would probably be reduced to 1/10 th of the current levels....

The crime would probably be reduced to 1/10 th of the current levels....

Sure. Crime was practically unknown all over Europe before those evil, evil Muslims arrived.... :rolleyes:

Sure. Crime was practically unknown all over Europe before those evil, evil Muslims arrived.... :rolleyes:

For mathematically challenged, 1/10 doesnt equal to 0.

Sure. Crime was practically unknown all over Europe before those evil, evil Muslims arrived.... :rolleyes:


It was Muslims who taught the Vikings how to rape and pillage.

For mathematically challenged, 1/10 doesnt equal to 0.

For the grammatically challenged, "practically none" doesn't mean "none at all" :rolleyes:

It was Muslims who taught the Vikings how to rape and pillage.

Straw Men. Or a pathetic attempt at satire. It is supposed to be humorous and/or witty, you know...

Straw Men. Or a pathetic attempt at satire. It is supposed to be humorous and/or witty, you know...

Do you have any arguments left, or are you simply going to go with the personal insults and pointless aggressive remarks for the rest of the thread?

Straw Men. Or a pathetic attempt at satire. It is supposed to be humorous and/or witty, you know...

Mmm. I tried to be humorous. Don't think the thread is very fertile ground, really ...
EDIT: It's 4:12 AM where I am, so bedtime. Respects to all, particularly the passionate ones who manage not to get angry. :seraphic:

Straw Men. Or a pathetic attempt at satire. It is supposed to be humorous and/or witty, you know...
A lot more intelligent, if only satire even, than your crap thread.

Do you have any arguments left, or are you simply going to go with the personal insults and pointless aggressive remarks for the rest of the thread?
It would be hard to prove or disprove anything about the role of Muslims in Swedish crime.

http://www.bra.se

That's the Swedish crime stats site. Swedes evidently don't classify offenders by ethnicity or religion, or don't publish that information.

France, as a similar example, collects no employment data by ethnicity or religion, all in the name of "equality". This means, of course, that there's no way to tell if one group is actually doing well or being abused.

Straw Men. Or a pathetic attempt at satire. It is supposed to be humorous and/or witty, you know...


oh noes... it's the invasion of the straw men!


http://paintingsbychristianr.com/images/TheInvasionoftheStrawMen.jpg


So you think that minorities are the reason that 2 million people are in prison in the US? OR did the straw men do it?

For the grammatically challenged, "practically none" doesn't mean "none at all" :rolleyes:

For the historically challenged, crime rates has been going up since all these mass immigrations began. This one is from Netherlands. The statistics are clear but the article argues it's because of social injustice. I can understand why immigrants are overrepresented in, say, stealing. It has economical reasons. But why rape? I think, this just shows that the overrepresantation problem isnt only due to social injustice...


Time to crackdown against ethnic crime


There is growing concern in the Netherlands over a select group of non-western immigrants and crime. And with good reason.

The latest incident saw an 18-year-old Tilburg resident, Bart Raaijmakers, robbed of his bicycle and mobile phone on Friday 18 July. He was stabbed — allegedly by two Antillean men, a Surinamese and a west African — when he refused to hand over his cash.

He died of his injuries and the funeral was held on Wednesday. The four suspects have been apprehended and are in police custody.

Tilburg is enraged by the murder and police, the City Council and welfare workers are initiating a get-tough campaign against a core of alleged Antillean criminal youths.

"There is a group of hard criminals that is disrupting the society. We are going to make it clear to them that we don't tolerate their behaviour," Mayor Johan Stekelenburg said.

Stekelenburg said authorities would keep a close watch on criminal Antilleans and that the law should not be slavishly followed, claiming that Antilleans use the most dangerous weapons to commit crimes and act without scruple. He said authorities should not hesitate to act in the same manner.

And laying the restricting nature of political correctness aside, the time has come to hit back against crime committed by a small group of non-western immigrants. This group is holding society at ransom — a society which has its hands tied and is unable to fully crackdown because of the inevitable racism or discrimination allegations.

But it is not discrimination to point out the truth. Consider the statistics:

* In Tilburg, the Antillean population numbers 2 percent of the city's residents, but police claim that Antillean youths often commit crimes and use a relative large amount of violence. In 2002, 10 percent of arrested violent crime suspects were Antillean.

* Periodical magazine Elsevier wrote in a January 2002 article that in 2001 there were 108 Dutch victims of murder or manslaughter, compared with 102 non-western immigrants and 16 western immigrants, while 27 cases were unknown. It also said that 71 native Dutch committed murder or manslaughter, compared with 111 non-western immigrants and nine western immigrants. It said about 60 percent of murders and crimes of manslaughter involved immigrants in 2001.

* This was also echoed in Groningen where the number of murders or crimes of manslaughter among asylum seekers in 1998 was 36 times relatively higher than that of the native population. Illegal immigrants were placed second, followed by Antilleans (20 times), nationals of the former Yugoslavia (16), Surinamese (13), Africans (12), Turkish (10) and Moroccans (10). This study was based on police figures and was not considered academic research.

* According to police in Rotterdam, Antilleans and Moroccans form the majority of suspects arrested on allegations they have committed street robberies.

* Consider also that drug smugglers passing through Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam are mostly on flights from the Dutch Antilles and Aruba. The government is in the midst of a crackdown against the cocaine trade and has established several emergency jails to accommodate the increased number of arrests.

The crime wave must be fought and if a small group is committing a relatively large portion of the crime — and admittedly the violent crimes that spark intense media interest — then it is time to reverse the trend. Society is only as strong as its weakest link.

But society must not forget the socio-economic realities, which — it can be argued — propels this group of poorer, non-western youths to engage in theft, drug dealing and violent crime.

Non-western families in the Netherlands are three times more likely than Dutch nationals to be faced with a low income and a relatively large amount of non-western households receive social security benefits. Almost 25 percent of non-western Dutch residents aged 15 to 64 were on social security by the end of 2000, the Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) said in its 2002 Immigrants in the Netherlands report.

Furthermore, the Justice Ministry said in March 2003 that the unemployment rate among non-western immigrants was about 10 percent in 2002, compared with about 3 percent among native Dutch.

Poverty can be seen as a motivating factor for crime and ethnic crimes often gain the spotlight, with the Dutch media not shy in naming a suspect or a culprit's ethnic background. In other western nations, such as Britain and Australia, that tendency is more reserved.

Furthermore, ethnic minorities do not feel the mainstream media represents them in a balanced way, as shown by a recent survey among Turkish, Moroccan, Surinamese and Antillean/Aruban media users, which appeared in a report by the European Research Centre on Migration and Ethnic Relations published in February 2002

Interviewees perceived Dutch reporting as one-sided and negative and found that positive news stories were neglected.

The report also found that on Dutch television programmes, ethnic minorities were generally not interviewed about the problems they face in their own lives; instead, they were asked about their knowledge of Dutch, their (alleged or perceived) criminal backgrounds and so forth.

To sum up, native Dutch citizens are generally portrayed as victims, whereas ethnic minority members are seen as problems. This was evidenced in comments made in August 2002 by Jaap Blokker, co-owner of the Blokker Holding group, who claimed immigrants were responsible for the large number of armed robberies in the Netherlands.

There are chronic problems facing the Dutch ethnic minority. This cannot and is not denied. But society is also allowing these problems, a collective sense of guilt and political correctness to overrule society's urge for public safety.

In regards new ethnic groups, a Justice Ministry report in May 2003 identified the following risks of juveniles turning to crime: such as unemployment and low income, the lack of a supportive social network and problems in the education system. Secondly, specific risk factors such as the manner of fleeing their home countries, certain aspects of the reception policy for asylum seekers and sometimes cultural differences were also identified.

But the report also said that in view of the large number of risk factors which youths from new ethnic groups — meaning those outside of the four main ethnic groups in the Netherlands, namely the Antilleans, Surinamese, Moroccans and Turkish — are faced with, their overrepresentation in the crime figures is not surprising.

That same report also said new ethnic minorities face a vast array of dangerous situations and circumstances requiring preventative measures from governments and social organisations.

But the outgoing Rotterdam police chief, Jan Wiarda, recently went too far as to call for a justice system which sentenced immigrant Dutch more harshly than native Dutch. He said other cultures demanded a harder approach and the principle of equality before the law was discriminating.

He was loudly and justifiably castigated for his outrageous proposal because it is precisely that principle which keeps discrimination out of society's hard won non-discriminatory, innocent-until-proven-guilty and trial-before-your-peers court of law.

But it is not wrong to single out a crime wave being committed by an identifiable group of immigrants and take the appropriate action. It is the same principle that the Dutch are using to crackdown against crime problems such as repeat offenders or drug smuggling. It does not matter if the crime is defined by ethnic identity.

Social inequality needs urgent attention and the root causes of violence and crime must be removed, but this should not come at the cost of society's obligation to fight crime and punish those responsible.

25 July 2003

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=242&name=Time+to+crackdown+against+ethnic+crime

A lot more intelligent, if only satire even, than your crap thread.

Reality = Crap? :rolleyes:
I guess you forgot to take your medication this morning...

It would be hard to prove or disprove anything about the role of Muslims in Swedish crime.

http://www.bra.se

That's the Swedish crime stats site. Swedes evidently don't classify offenders by ethnicity or religion, or don't publish that information.

France, as a similar example, collects no employment data by ethnicity or religion, all in the name of "equality". This means, of course, that there's no way to tell if one group is actually doing well or being abused.

Fair enough, but claiming that crime would drop by 90% if all Muslims were deported without being able to back it up in any way is rather poor style, even for Ny Nordland.
Then again, considering what atarted this thread, he might just be jumping on the bandwagon...

It would expose the failures of a multi cultural society system.
No, it wouldn't. There are other factors which are vastly more significant then religion (like wealth, education, employment etc) - if religion is significant at all.

Most non-western immigrants are muslim. Mine was a resonable conclusion.
No, it wasn't. You conclude that the 72 people charged are muslim because the majority of non-western immigrants are muslim. It's pure speculation - for all we know, it's the minority that is troublesome.

It would even be more resonable if you blamed the local culture of the immigrants then the religion.

Read my debate with Bottle. Your points have been answered.
When? Where? I haven't seen it.

Cant you read the title of the news article???? Oh...and:
1) The title implies that the muslim community is concerned, and wishes to do something to reduce the presence of immigrants in rape cases. It says nothing of the religious affiliation of the rapists.
2) Read the article, not just the title, to see the bigger picture.
3) Your sarcastic remarks ment little.

The crime would probably be reduced to 1/10 th of the current levels....
Oh, you've GOT to be kidding now! Please, please say it's a joke or deliberate overstatement?

For the historically challenged, crime rates has been going up since all these mass immigrations began. This one is from Netherlands. The statistics are clear but the article argues it's because of social injustice. I can understand why immigrants are overrepresented in, say, stealing. It has economical reasons. But why rape? I think, this just shows that the overrepresantation problem isnt only due to social injustice...


http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=242&name=Time+to+crackdown+against+ethnic+crime


For the thought-challenged - wouldnt it make sense to say that the bigger a population gets (and the bigger the lower class gets) the greater amounts of crime will be commited simply because there are more people to commit crimes, whether or not immigrants contribute to it?

The answer would be yes and to make a claim that Muslims commit 90% of the crime in Europe would require actual proof.

We see in all societies that the lower class (no matter their ethnicity) is overwhelmingly prosecuted for criminal activity and makes up the bulk of prisoners. Why? Many reasons because the world isn't so black and white that we can just say "Blacks/Mexicans/Muslims are inherently criminal". But I've seen your refusal to acknowledge any plausible arguments so I won't go any further in tryign to convince you of anything. I just wanted to let you know that I think you should have that pile of crap you call a brain checked out.

For the historically challenged, crime rates has been going up since all these mass immigrations began. This one is from Netherlands. The statistics are clear but the article argues it's because of social injustice. I can understand why immigrants are overrepresented in, say, stealing. It has economical reasons. But why rape? I think, this just shows that the overrepresantation problem isnt only due to social injustice...


http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=242&name=Time+to+crackdown+against+ethnic+crime

Guess what, relative poverty is one of the biggest motivator for crimes of all kinds. Have a look at any poor neighbourhood all around the globe, you will find that crime and violence are commonplace, no matter what the prerelevant faith or skin colour may be.

Guess what, relative poverty is one of the biggest motivator for crimes of all kinds. Have a look at any poor neighbourhood all around the globe, you will find that crime and violence are commonplace, no matter what the prerelevant faith or skin colour may be.
In the US, it's not relative poverty (although on the face of it, it may appear so).

It's concentrating the poor in areas. Such as public housing projects. Which is why HUD changed housing policy to tear down and destroy housing projects that concentrate the poor in their own areas - the crime rate has dropped 65 percent in the US since the inception of that policy.

French riots? Concentrating the poor in housing projects.

Disperse the people amongst the general population, and a lot of these problems go away. It works here in the US.

The difference is that many Christians have a Pope/Patriarch telling them NOT to do bad stuff. They also happen to not believe that their holy book was written by their god.
I know plenty of Christians who don't have a Pope or patriarch telling them what not to do, as well as many Christians who know that their Bible was written by human beings. Are you saying that those Christians are more likely to commit rape than Catholics who believe that the Bible was written by God?

In the US, it's not relative poverty (although on the face of it, it may appear so).

It's concentrating the poor in areas. Such as public housing projects. Which is why HUD changed housing policy to tear down and destroy housing projects that concentrate the poor in their own areas - the crime rate has dropped 65 percent in the US since the inception of that policy.

French riots? Concentrating the poor in housing projects.

Disperse the people amongst the general population, and a lot of these problems go away. It works here in the US.

Good point, I agree.

Perhaps, if men havent lived in Europe for tens of thousands of years. In many areas of Europe, islam has been there for like 40-50 years...
And rape has been around for tens of thousands of years, even though Islam has only been there for like 40-50 years. Which seems to further support the point that rape isn't caused by Islam. Thus, if you are going to argue that Muslims should be deported in order to reduce the frequency of rape, then you must also accept that this argument will lead us to conclude that all men should be deported from Europe.

I know plenty of Christians who don't have a Pope or patriarch telling them what not to do, as well as many Christians who know that their Bible was written by human beings. Are you saying that those Christians are more likely to commit rape than Catholics who believe that the Bible was written by God?

Catholics don't believe that the Bible was written by god. And have you noticed where all the loonies tend to come from? Fred Phelps? Yep. PROTESTANT. Get yourselves a Pope.

In the US, it's not relative poverty (although on the face of it, it may appear so).

It's concentrating the poor in areas. Such as public housing projects. Which is why HUD changed housing policy to tear down and destroy housing projects that concentrate the poor in their own areas - the crime rate has dropped 65 percent in the US since the inception of that policy.

French riots? Concentrating the poor in housing projects.

Disperse the people amongst the general population, and a lot of these problems go away. It works here in the US.
I do believe you're on to something...

Catholics don't believe that the Bible was written by god. And have you noticed where all the loonies tend to come from? Fred Phelps? Yep. PROTESTANT. Get yourselves a Pope.
1) There are some Catholics who believe the Bible was written by God. I've met some. I don't know (or care) if they are being "good Catholics" or "bad Catholics" for holding that belief. I'm just pointing out that they exist.

2) There are plenty of Catholic loonies, just as there are plenty of Protestant loonies. Frankly, I think you'd have to be a bit touched to follow a religion where a celebate guy in a dress tells everybody else how to have sex. But that's just me. There are plenty of crazier notions floating around out there.

3) You may keep your Pope, as I do not require one, but thank you kindly for the offer.

I do believe you're on to something...
I've been on to this for some time, since 1993.

I've been on to this for some time, since 1993.
Yup, you and a couple of others. Too bad little is done about it in European countries...

Catholics don't believe that the Bible was written by god. And have you noticed where all the loonies tend to come from? Fred Phelps? Yep. PROTESTANT. Get yourselves a Pope.


Catholic priests, who do indeed have a Pope, molest children. So what was that point you were tryign to make again?

1) There are some Catholics who believe the Bible was written by God. I've met some. I don't know (or care) if they are being "good Catholics" or "bad Catholics" for holding that belief. I'm just pointing out that they exist.

2) There are plenty of Catholic loonies, just as there are plenty of Protestant loonies. Frankly, I think you'd have to be a bit touched to follow a religion where a celebate guy in a dress tells everybody else how to have sex. But that's just me. There are plenty of crazier notions floating around out there.

3) You may keep your Pope, as I do not require one, but thank you kindly for the offer.

I'd rather be lead by a celebate guy in a dress who's under world pressure to be nice, than Fred "God hates fags" Phelps.

Yup, you and a couple of others. Too bad little is done about it in European countries...
My main problem with Socialism, for instance, is that a lot of its adherents think that "if it's socialist, it's good".

Well, providing public housing that warehouses huge number of poor people in one neighborhood is a recipe for violent crime and despair. Even if a socialist government pays for the housing.

I bet that if they kept stats on ethnicity, they would find that the majority of victims of crime by poor people were victims of their own people. This would be first hand evidence that the concentration is what is causing the problem.

Concentration like that in the US makes 90 percent of black victims the victims of black offenders.

Catholic priests, who do indeed have a Pope, molest children. So what was that point you were tryign to make again?

And they try to justify it with God? Not likely. And a few priests is nothing compared to thousands of muslims.

Are you seriously asking us to say the faith of Islam is to blame for this?
No, bigotry, on the part of a few Muslims immigrants is to blame for this. Muslims in Sweden make up a disproportionately high number of rapists.

2) There are plenty of Catholic loonies, just as there are plenty of Protestant loonies.

but they're wrong and we tell them that they're wrong

islam tells them that they're right

Catholic priests, who do indeed have a Pope, molest children. So what was that point you were tryign to make again?

and Catholic teaching states that they should go to prison

I don't know too much about islam but it seems like they get a pat on the back

Schrandtopia']but they're wrong and we tell them that they're wrong

islam tells them that they're right

Islam tells Catholics and Protestants that hey are right??? What did I miss?

We are sure in % the Muslims rapes in Occident are not so high in number.
But it's so good to show the Islamist as a bad guy.
To say the Koran teach you to rape.

In truth who give a sh*t?
The racist, the socialist, the lazy nasty bastard...
That's fine for the poor humble terrorist searching new excuses to be an assh*.

In the same time God is larfing @ the nice specie he made on this lost planet...
He wonders how it could be an algae became such an insolent and preposterous navel admirer.

Schrandtopia']and Catholic teaching states that they should go to prison

I don't know too much about islam but it seems like they get a pat on the back

Actually, Catholic teachings doesn't say a thing about prison.

And Islamic teachings don't condone pedophilia...

And they try to justify it with God? Not likely. And a few priests is nothing compared to thousands of muslims.

A FEW? No, not just a few. (http://alterboys.tripod.com/Faith/Studies_on_Prx.html)

The evidence is that a higher percentage of Catholic priests and male Religious molest children more than other ministers of religion. Clergy of all denominations do not molest equally. In her foreword, the lawyer, Sylvia Demerest cites a 1995 survey of 19,000 treating professionals, funded by the National Centre on Child Abuse and Neglect. The study found that in the US, 94% of abuses by religious authorities were sexual in nature.
Over half of these cases (54%) involved perpetrators and victims who were Catholic, even though Roman Catholics comprise only 25% of the United States population. The minor victims of priest abuse are overwhelmingly boys and teenagers, (80­90%), which is contrary to the pattern of abuse in the general population.

American studies are not the only ones which defy the assumption that clergy of all denominations abuse equally. The Briggs­Hawen study included 200 convicted child molesters in New South Wales, Australia. It found that 93% of convicted and imprisoned child molesters had themselves been sexually abused as children and 60% stated that they had been abused by a Catholic priest or Brother.


Your religion doesnt keep people from doing anything immoral. Are you suggesting that the Bible doesn't condone taking women as slaves? What to men do with their female slaves I wonder... hmmmm

Schrandtopia']but they're wrong and we tell them that they're wrong

islam tells them that they're right
Islam does no such thing.

Cripes people, get a grip. You all are capable of understanding that there are crazy-ass sects of Christianity, and yet not all Christians are crazy, right? So just insert "Islam" into that equation.

There are piles of violent, reprehensible, vicious passages in the Bible, and there are plenty of Christian leaders who have, throughout history, advocated horrible acts in the name of the Christian God. There are piles of nasty people alive today who use Christianity as their excuse for horrible things. And guess what? This is simply evidence of the fact that there are a lot of jackasses in the world, and some of those jackasses decide to use religion as their bullshit justification for why they're a jackass. Christianity works as well as Islam for this purpose.

The majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians, are just people who are busy being people. They're trying to figure out how the hell to get their teenage son to quit acting like such a tool. They're trying to get the milk home before it spoils. They're worried that the bills might not get paid on time this month. They're annoyed because they spilt something on their shirt this morning, and they haven't got a change, so they'll have to walk around with a stain all day long.

They're just people. Quit wetting yourselves.

Schrandtopia']and Catholic teaching states that they should go to prison

I don't know too much about islam but it seems like they get a pat on the back


Cite it

Islam does no such thing.

Cripes people, get a grip. You all are capable of understanding that there are crazy-ass sects of Christianity, and yet not all Christians are crazy, right? So just insert "Islam" into that equation.

There are piles of violent, reprehensible, vicious passages in the Bible, and there are plenty of Christian leaders who have, throughout history, advocated horrible acts in the name of the Christian God. There are piles of nasty people alive today who use Christianity as their excuse for horrible things. And guess what? This is simply evidence of the fact that there are a lot of jackasses in the world, and some of those jackasses decide to use religion as their bullshit justification for why they're a jackass. Christianity works as well as Islam for this purpose.


I want to make out with your brain.

Islam tells Catholics and Protestants that hey are right??? What did I miss?

Christians have definitive theological views and mechanisms to bring those outside them into line - if a priest got up in the middle of mass and said its our durty to God to kill all those dirty Finns we wouldn't let that slide

islamic religious leaders use their religion as a conduet for hate and get away with it

And Islamic teachings don't condone pedophilia...

mohammed married and raped a nine year old! If that's not condoning pedophilia, I don't know what is.

I want to make out with your brain.
It would probably do it with you. My brain is kind of a slut.

mohammed married and raped a nine year old! If that's not condoning pedophilia, I don't know what is.

Actually he waited to she was of proper age.

Unless, you have proof to the contrary.

Schrandtopia']but they're wrong and we tell them that they're wrong

islam tells them that they're right


who is this 'we' you speak of?




Catholic priests accused of sexually abusing children are hiding from authorities abroad, often with the assistance of church officials (http://www.feminist.org/news/newsbyte/uswirestory.asp?id=8507), according to an extensive newspaper investigation. The Dallas Morning News has conducted a yearlong investigation of priests who are accused of sexually abusing minors, finding that they avoid law enforcement, often with the help of church officials, by moving from country to country. In some cases, the church leaders who participated in moving accused priests were also accused of molesting children themselves. Police and prosecutors in many cases failed to take basic steps to thwart them. Furthermore, “dozens” of priests accused of sexual abuse of minors in the United States have moved on to positions in ministries abroad.

There are piles of nasty people alive today who use Christianity as their excuse for horrible things.

and we call those leaders out

The majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians, are just people who are busy being people. They're trying to figure out how the hell to get their teenage son to quit acting like such a tool. They're trying to get the milk home before it spoils. They're worried that the bills might not get paid on time this month. They're annoyed because they spilt something on their shirt this morning, and they haven't got a change, so they'll have to walk around with a stain all day long.

but some of them, fly planes into buildings

A FEW? No, not just a few. (http://alterboys.tripod.com/Faith/Studies_on_Prx.html)

I don't see numbers, only percentages. %s are useless without numbers.

Your religion doesnt keep people from doing anything immoral. Are you suggesting that the Bible doesn't condone taking women as slaves? What to men do with their female slaves I wonder... hmmmm

Yes, but the Bible can be ignored. Because the Pope sets the guidelines. And all Catholics know that the OT is mostly background and not to be taken seriously.

And you assume that I'm Catholic.

Schrandtopia']Christians have definitive theological views and mechanisms to bring those outside them into line - if a priest got up in the middle of mass and said its our durty to God to kill all those dirty Finns we wouldn't let that slide

islamic religious leaders use their religion as a conduet for hate and get away with it


Every single religious muslim leader does this? Or is it a few fringe lunatics like Phelps and Robertson?

You've never heard about how the KKK uses religion to back up their pure white chrstian dream?

Actually he waited to she was of proper age.

Unless, you have proof to the contrary.

Yeah. He married when she was 6 or 7, and raped her when she was 9. He sure waited.

The faith isn't to blame, it's a culture formed by certain members of that faith that demeans women.

Thank you for pointing that out, unfortunatally most people think they are one and the same. As a Muslim myself it angers me to see people who think the Islam has something to do with stuff like this. Often times it is cultrual not faith based.

Hmmm. So much for immigration and openness, it seems. I'm not even going to post the pics of what the girl looked like after the assault/rape. Horrible. The savages should be castrated and chained to a poll to freeze to death while stuck to an iceberg. Waay too kind.



Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway - Authorities Look the Other Way

Swedish girls Malin and Amanda were on their way to a party on New Year’s Eve when they were assaulted, raped and beaten half to death by four Somali immigrants. Sweden’s largest newspaper has presented the perpetrators as “two men from Sweden, one from Finland and one from Somalia”, a testimony as to how bad the informal censorship is in stories related to immigration in Sweden. Similar incidents are reported with shocking frequency, to the point where some observers fear that law and order is completely breaking down in the country. The number of rape charges in Sweden has tripled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six - 6 - times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas.

Some Muslim immigrants admit their bias quite openly. An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are “asking for rape.” Apparently, he’s not the only one thinking this way. “It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl,” says Hamid. “The Swedish girl gets a lot of help afterwards, and she had probably fucked before, anyway. But the Arab girl will get problems with her family. For her, being raped is a source of shame. It is important that she retains her virginity until she marries.” It was no coincidence that it was a Swedish girl that was gang raped in Rissne – this becomes obvious from the discussion with Ali, Hamid, Abdallah and Richard. All four have disparaging views on Swedish girls, and think this attitude is common among young men with immigrant background. “It is far too easy to get a Swedish whore…… girl, I mean;” says Hamid, and laughs over his own choice of words. “Many immigrant boys have Swedish girlfriends when they are teenagers. But when they get married, they get a proper woman from their own culture who has never been with a boy. That’s what I am going to do. I don’t have too much respect for Swedish girls. I guess you can say they get fucked to pieces.”

The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations are so extremely high that it is difficult to view them only as random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. Muhammad himself had forced sex (rape) with several of his slave girls/concubines. This is perfectly allowed, both in the sunna and in the Koran. If you postulate that many of the Muslims in Europe view themselves as a conquering army and that European women are simply war booty, it all makes perfect sense and is in full accordance with Islamic law. Western women are not so much regarded by most Muslims as individuals, but as “their women,” the women who “belong” to hostile Infidels. They are booty, to be taken, just as the land of the Infidels someday will drop, it is believed, into Muslim hand. This is not mere crime, but ideologically-justified crime or rather, in Muslim eyes, attacks on Infidels scarcely qualify as crime. Western women are cheap and offensive. We Muslims are here, here to stay, and we have a right to take advantage of this situation. It is our view of the matter that should prevail. Western goods, like the land on which we now live, belong to Allah and to the best of men—his Believers. Western women, too, essentially belong to us—our future booty. No wonder there is a deep and increasing suspicion against Muslims in the Swedish and European public.



The German journalist Udo Ulfkotte told in a recent interview that in Holland, you can now see examples of young, unveiled Moroccan women with a so-called “smiley”. It means that the girl gets one side of her face cut up from mouth to ear, serving as a warning to other Muslim girls who should refuse to wear the veil. In the Muslim suburb of Courneuve, France, 77 per cent of the veiled women carry veils reportedly because of fear of being harassed or molested by Islamic moral patrols.

An incredibly revealing article that tells us all we need to know about the multiculturalist fetish in Europe and some parts of North America, not to mention the need for change within Islam. Apparently, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65 percent of rapes of Norwegian women were performed by "non-Western" immigrants – a category that, in Norway, consists mostly of Muslims. The article quoted a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo (note: her name is Unni Wikan) as saying that "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor's conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

Swedish laws prohibiting “hate speech” against racial minorities have been vigorously enforced. There have, for example, been a number of gang-rapes of Swedish women by Muslim immigrants. But Swedes must be careful what they say about them. On May 25, neo-Nazi Bjorn Bjorkqvist was convicted and sentenced to two months in prison for writing, “I don’t think I am alone in feeling sick when reading about how Swedish girls are raped by immigrant hordes.”

NO ONE CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK YOU NAZI FUCK!!!!!!!!!!

Actually he waited to she was of proper age.

Unless, you have proof to the contrary.
Some Muslims respect the authority of the hadith, the source of much Islamic law (sharia) and therefore accept the hadith collected by Bukhari which quote Aisha as saying that she was nine years old when her marriage was consummated. However, they believe Aisha had already undergone puberty before the marriage was consumated, arguing that early marriages were not abnormal until relatively recent times,[1] but the standard practice was to wait until the bride had become adolescent before consummating the marriage.[2]

Critics of Islam typically accept the hadith stating that Aisha was nine, but reject the idea that she could have been pubescent, suggesting Muhammad's sexual relationship with Aisha necessarily renders him, as Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali puts it, a "pervert".[3] Additionally, Ibn Warraq argues in Why I Am Not a Muslim that "child marriages continue to be practiced, and the fact that the Prophet himself married Aisha when she was only nine and he was fifty-three encourages Muslim society to continue with this iniquitous custom."[4]

Some Muslims believe the hadith included in Bukhari are "weak" and that Aisha was exaggerating, unsure of her own age or misquoted, pointing to traditions from Islamic historians such as Ibn Ishaq and Tabari which would put her age at marriage as between fourteen and nineteen. Maulana Muhammad Ali makes a detailed historical argument that Aisha was betrothed at nine or ten, but was fifteen at marriage,[5] while Zahid Aziz fixes her age at consummation as late as nineteen.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha's_age_at_marriage

There is disagreement among Muslims, but some do believe that she was 9 when the marriage was consumated with a child rape. (my words, not theirs)

Every single religious muslim leader does this? Or is it a few fringe lunatics like Phelps and Robertson?

I'd say every second one. More than I'm comfortable with.

You've never heard about how the KKK uses religion to back up their pure white chrstian dream?

The KKK has no religious authority.

It would probably do it with you. My brain is kind of a slut.


I could tell with all that make up and skimpy clothing it's wearing.

ok that was brainist. Sorry.

Every single religious muslim leader does this? Or is it a few fringe lunatics like Phelps and Robertson?

enough of them do it SB, enough of them that we're fighting a world wide war against them

how many Christian suicide bombers have there been in the past year?

You've never heard about how the KKK uses religion to back up their pure white chrstian dream?

and you've never heard about how they're condemned by near every sect of Christianity in America?

Thank you for pointing that out, unfortunatally most people think they are one and the same. As a Muslim myself it angers me to see people who think the Islam has something to do with stuff like this. Often times it is cultrual not faith based.

So you believe that the koran was dictated by your god?

Rape is rape and should be treated as such. This is just another undocumented attempt to say "Islam is even more evil than (Cliché Stereotypical) Satanism and we should kill all the sand niggers in the world."
Ummm, that's called a straw man. Analysing patterns of crime is not racist, it's smart policy to work towards preventing crime.

Wouldn't it be alarming if that majority of murders of gay people in America were found to be committed by fundamentalist Christians? (Probably true anyway.)

You seem to be operating from the rule "all problems can be dismissed by crying racism."

I would agree still that the article's theory about Muslim rapists viewing themselves as an invading army is bullshit.

You know what the real issue here is? Most Muslims have darker skin than we of northern European descent. Therefore they are the devil. Also, it's been a good thousand years since we really got to properly persecute the infidel Muslims, and we need another dose of that to settle down. Yep, gotta have some genocide now and again. It's the American way.
All problems can be dismissed by crying racism. Construct a groundless straw man if necessary.

Schrandtopia']and we call those leaders out

Just like we call out the radical Muslim leaders who get dangerously unhinged.

You are able to understand that there can be SOME crazy Christian leaders without necessarily saying that ALL Christian leaders are crazy, right? Ok, now try that with "Islam" in place of "Christianity." See how that works?
Schrandtopia']
but some of them, fly planes into buildings
Am I the only fucking American who remembers Oklahoma City? CHRISTIANS BLOW SHIT UP TOO.

I'd say every second one. More than I'm comfortable with.


it's funny how you make so many outrageous claims and never once provde any proof for them. oh wait, no it isn't.


The KKK has no religious authority.

Their followers think they do. Same with Phelps and Robertson.

Schrandtopia']
but some of them, fly planes into buildings

And?

"Christians" have torched black churches.
"Christians" have murdered abortion doctors and escorts.
"Christians" hid Eric Rudolph.
"Christians" murdered the Sheppard kid
"Christians" "fagbash" homosexuals.
and so on and so on and so on.

There are for more "normal" people then there are fundiloons.

Just like we call out the radical Muslim leaders who get dangerously unhinged.

explain the nation of Iran to me

Am I the only fucking American who remembers Oklahoma City? CHRISTIANS BLOW SHIT UP TOO.

the Pope told him to do that? thats one guy that hung out with 100 or so other racists who had somthing that looked like a Church - can we even count the number of muslim suicide bombers?

Their followers think they do. Same with Phelps and Robertson.

how many followers?

how many Christian suicide bombers have there been in the last year?

No, bigotry, on the part of a few Muslims immigrants is to blame for this. Muslims in Sweden make up a disproportionately high number of rapists.
Can you back up this statement? Or are you guessing?

After all, it has been repeated often that there is no statistics on the religion of criminals in Sweden.

Yeah. He married when she was 6 or 7, and raped her when she was 9. He sure waited.
Meh. According to scriptural sources and historical documentation, the Virgin Mary was between 12 and 14 years of age when she was impregnated by the Christian God. So I guess The Prophet and Jehovah can go bond over their love of prime virgin tail.

Schrandtopia']and Catholic teaching states that they should go to prison

I don't know too much about islam but it seems like they get a pat on the back
Actually in the Catholic Church there was a horrific amount of excuse-making and assistance given to paedophile priests. In my country many people lost all trust in the Church, giving rise to the large level of atheism in my country now.

Am I the only fucking American who remembers Oklahoma City? CHRISTIANS BLOW SHIT UP TOO.

Timothy McVeigh was anti-government; he didn't do it for explicitely religious reasons. He began habouring anti-govt feelings while serving in the Gulf War.

Schrandtopia']explain the nation of Iran to me

Explain the Dark Ages to me.

Schrandtopia']
the Pope told him to do that?

There are Christians who don't follow the Pope. It's this new fad called "being a Protestant."

Schrandtopia']
thats one guy that hung out with 100 or so other racists who had somthing that looked like a Church - can we even count the number of muslim suicide bombers?
Are we including Ireland in our numbers?

Meh. According to scriptural sources and historical documentation, the Virgin Mary was between 12 and 14 years of age when she was impregnated by the Christian God. So I guess The Prophet and Jehovah can go bond over their love of prime virgin tail.

Using pure RELIGIOUS speculation as evidence? Wow.

Timothy McVeigh was anti-government; he didn't do it for explicitely religious reasons. He began habouring anti-govt feelings while serving in the Gulf War.
So what? His Christianity sure as hell didn't keep him from blowing up a shitload of people. That's the whole freaking point.

Jackasses will find jackass reasons why they should get to be jackasses. Some jackasses will say they did it for their God. Some will say they did it to get back at The Man. Some will say their talking dog told them to do it. WHO THE HELL CARES?! Don't blame it on the God, or The Man, or the dog...blame the jackass who blew shit up.

Actually in the Catholic Church there was a horrific amount of excuse-making and assistance given to paedophile priests. In my country many people lost all trust in the Church, giving rise to the large level of atheism in my country now.

The Church tried to COVER IT UP. Those are the operative words. When muslims leaders say or do bad shit, they don't get covered up, they're defiant, sometimes praised, often supported.

Explain the Dark Ages to me.

the fall of the Roman Empire

individuals in the Church were given authority they shouldn't have had and they made some bad calls - at the time it was the best idea anyone had, they didn't have anything like, say, America to look up to

There are Christians who don't follow the Pope. It's this new fad called "being a Protestant."

fair enough - did any protestant leader of any weight at all tell him to do it

Are we including Ireland in our numbers?

yes

Can you back up this statement? Or are you guessing?

After all, it has been repeated often that there is no statistics on the religion of criminals in Sweden.
See the OP.

And?

"Christians" have torched black churches.
"Christians" have murdered abortion doctors and escorts.
"Christians" hid Eric Rudolph.
"Christians" murdered the Sheppard kid
"Christians" "fagbash" homosexuals.
and so on and so on and so on.

There are far more "normal" people then there are fundiloons.
Which is obvious to everyone. You are just looking for racism where there is none. Why does every thread criticising Muslim fundamentalist cause you to demonise Christians? They tend to be more tolerant and liberal than Muslims too.

People like you are destroying the Left. We are supposed to be for human rights, even if it offends some religious group. We are not in the business of giving any religion preferential treatment and leniency on this, not even Islam.

Schrandtopia']enough of them do it SB, enough of them that we're fighting a world wide war against them

how many Christian suicide bombers have there been in the past year?



and you've never heard about how they're condemned by near every sect of Christianity in America?


And more unsubstantiated facts... will you people ever back up any of yoru arguments.

OK - I'll take a page out of your book.

I've seen a least 3 Christian suicide bombers yesterday.

Woohoo, wasn't that fun and informative? What a great and strong point I made.

The fact that there are muslim suicide bombers doesnt say anymore about muslims or Islam than does what thousands of Catholic rapists/pedophiles say about Christianity.

I never heard all the sects of christianity condemn their own people for doing wrong. Maybe one or two, but until I see a document written and signed by all of them, I will not believe that they dont condone this behavior.

Above is the same argument I hear about Muslims and why dont we ever hear about them condemning terrorism. You know what? They do and have repeatedly.

Get the fuck over it and open your eyes to the reality that the world isn't so black and white.

Yes there are idiotic muslim leaders who condone violence just like liek there are Christian leaders who do so but on both sides they are in teh minority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha's_age_at_marriage

There is disagreement among Muslims, but some do believe that she was 9 when the marriage was consumated with a child rape. (my words, not theirs)

And at the very top of the wiki

"This article or section may contain original research or unverified claims."

There is no damning proof there. Claims yes. It will take more reasearch to verify the claims. For example, the one fellow that said he had sex. Was he apposed to Mohammed? He did have enemies.....

So what? His Christianity sure as hell didn't keep him from blowing up a shitload of people. That's the whole freaking point.

no, its really not

muslim terrorists are terrorists because their religion tells them to be

mcvey was a terrorist becuase his feelings about the government told him to be

Their followers think they do. Same with Phelps and Robertson.

And that doesn't make it so. See, there's islam's problem. To become a muslims, all you have to is say some phrase three times, and you're set to ram planes into towers for allah if you want.

The Church tried to COVER IT UP. Those are the operative words. When muslims leaders say or do bad shit, they don't get covered up, they're defiant, sometimes praised, often supported.
The cover up IS the bad shit, in this case. The Church could have put an end to the abuse, but instead they chose to protect the abusers and furnish them with new victims. They encouraged further abuse.

Radical Muslim leaders are at least out in the open as they encourage abuse. The Catholic Church hid what they were doing and pretended to be a moral authority, even while they were providing protection and help for pedophiles.

Personally, I prefer somebody who will say to my face, "I want to blow you up, infidel," as opposed to somebody who will say, "I respect you and love you," and then go rape my kid. At least the first guy is being straight-forward about being an asshole.

I've seen a least 3 Christian suicide bombers yesterday.

prove it

cause I can show you muslim suicide bombers. I can show you what they do to teenage girls when the hit puberty. I can show you where they call for death to the Jews

show me those Christian suicide bombers

Schrandtopia']the fall of the Roman Empire

individuals in the Church were given authority they shouldn't have had and they made some bad calls - at the time it was the best idea anyone had, they didn't have anything like, say, America to look up to

They had plenty of advanced societies to look up to.
Schrandtopia']
fair enough - did any protestant leader of any weight at all tell him to do it

The radical Muslim leaders involved in 9/11 were not "of any weight," any more than Fred Phelps is "of any weight" to the overwhelming majority of Christians.

Yes, there are bugshit-crazy Muslim leaders, and they tend to attract bugshit-crazy followers. Same with the bugshit-crazy Christian leaders. It's all the same crazy, it just has some different sauce on top.

There are Christians who don't follow the Pope. It's this new fad called "being a Protestant."

And Protestants, ESPECIALLY in America (where they are extremely decentralised) tend to be more radical on average. Revenrend Lovejoy said it best: The one true faith is the the Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism!

Islam does no such thing.

Cripes people, get a grip. You all are capable of understanding that there are crazy-ass sects of Christianity, and yet not all Christians are crazy, right? So just insert "Islam" into that equation.

There are piles of violent, reprehensible, vicious passages in the Bible, and there are plenty of Christian leaders who have, throughout history, advocated horrible acts in the name of the Christian God. There are piles of nasty people alive today who use Christianity as their excuse for horrible things. And guess what? This is simply evidence of the fact that there are a lot of jackasses in the world, and some of those jackasses decide to use religion as their bullshit justification for why they're a jackass. Christianity works as well as Islam for this purpose.

The majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians, are just people who are busy being people. They're trying to figure out how the hell to get their teenage son to quit acting like such a tool. They're trying to get the milk home before it spoils. They're worried that the bills might not get paid on time this month. They're annoyed because they spilt something on their shirt this morning, and they haven't got a change, so they'll have to walk around with a stain all day long.

They're just people. Quit wetting yourselves.

Quoted for truth and elegance.
*bows to Bottle*

Schrandtopia']no, its really not

muslim terrorists are terrorists because their religion tells them to be

Cite your sources. I'm sick of going around in circles.

Keep in mind, you must do more than find random passages from Muslim texts, because I can find just as many Bible passages that support slavery, genocide, and rape. You're going to have to come up with proof that the religion of Islam, as a whole, commands Muslims to be terrorists.

Best get to work...you've got a long night ahead of you.

Personally, I prefer somebody who will say to my face, "I want to blow you up, infidel," as opposed to somebody who will say, "I respect you and love you," and then go rape my kid. At least the first guy is being straight-forward about being an asshole.

these are not people, they are institutions

America killed hundreds of thousands of Indians but that was the fault of individuals and not the system

So what? His Christianity sure as hell didn't keep him from blowing up a shitload of people. That's the whole freaking point.

His Christianity was inconsequential to his actions. The difference is that Islamist suicide bombers are doing it in the name of their religion, and that unlike a one-off bomber 11 years ago, their attacks are systematic.

Are we including Ireland in our numbers?
Northern Irish terrorists can't becompared to Islamist terrorists for three reasons:

1) They never used suicide bombers.
2) While each side is religiously bigoted, the goals of both republicanism and unionism are political, not religious. Neither side has been fighting for a Catholic or Protestant theocracy.
3) Their activities are local, not global.

Which is obvious to everyone. You are just looking for racism where there is none.

Christians are race? Wow.....

You do understand the difference between "Christians" and Christians right?

Why does every thread criticising Muslim fundamentalist cause you to demonise Christians? They tend to be more tolerant and liberal than Muslims too.

Those who live in glass houses.

Actually on the scale of tolerance; both are about the same. Both have a fundiloon element.


People like you are destroying the Left. We are supposed to be for human rights, even if it offends some religious group. We are not in the business of giving any religion preferential treatment and leniency on this, not even Islam.

Wow how very tollerant of you. So what kind of people am I?

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See the OP.
So you've got nothing to back it up, just as the OP. Alrighty then.

I can find just as many Bible passages that support slavery, genocide, and rape.

and then I'll point to the new testimate

The cover up IS the bad shit, in this case. The Church could have put an end to the abuse, but instead they chose to protect the abusers and furnish them with new victims. They encouraged further abuse.

Radical Muslim leaders are at least out in the open as they encourage abuse. The Catholic Church hid what they were doing and pretended to be a moral authority, even while they were providing protection and help for pedophiles.

Personally, I prefer somebody who will say to my face, "I want to blow you up, infidel," as opposed to somebody who will say, "I respect you and love you," and then go rape my kid. At least the first guy is being straight-forward about being an asshole.

Then we disagree. I'd rather face someone racked with guilt and immorality that someone who thinks that a god supports them in their deluded hateful beliefs.

The radical Muslim leaders involved in 9/11 were not "of any weight," any more than Fred Phelps is "of any weight" to the overwhelming majority of Christians.

tell me then - why can't phelps get anyone to die for him when those muslim leaders got people to fly planes into buildings?

clearly the muslims carry a tad more weight

People like you are destroying the Left. We are supposed to be for human rights, even if it offends some religious group. We are not in the business of giving any religion preferential treatment and leniency on this, not even Islam.

That's what I've been saying. The left nowadays is so left that it's right.

And that doesn't make it so. See, there's islam's problem. To become a muslims, all you have to is say some phrase three times, and you're set to ram planes into towers for allah if you want.

And to be a Christian all you have to do is say you accept Christ and then you can go "morally" punish those faggots since they are destroying family values and teaching kids to be gay.

Fundiloons exist in all Religions.

Schrandtopia']America killed hundreds of thousands of Indians but that was the fault of individuals and not the system
Hah!

Schrandtopia']prove it

cause I can show you muslim suicide bombers. I can show you what they do to teenage girls when the hit puberty. I can show you where they call for death to the Jews

show me those Christian suicide bombers


And with that missed point I shall bid thee farewell. In regards to your crusade... break a leg - literally.

Keep in mind, you must do more than find random passages from Muslim texts, because I can find just as many Bible passages that support slavery, genocide, and rape.

And I can remind you that the Bible, especially the OT, is now disregarded in favour of the usual dogma: "love thy neighbour, don't kill or steal, every sperm is sacred" yada yada yada.

And to be a Christian all you have to do is say you accept Christ and then you can go "morally" punish those faggots since they are destroying family values and teaching kids to be gay.

Fundiloons exist in all Religions.

Usually it requires baptism by an ordained priest.

And to be a Christian all you have to do is say you accept Christ and then you can go "morally" punish those faggots since they are destroying family values and teaching kids to be gay.

Fundiloons exist in all Religions.
So we should ignore them all and just suck it up when they attack us?

And I can remind you that the Bible, especially the OT, is now disregarded in favour of the usual dogma: "love thy neighbour, don't kill or steal, every sperm is sacred" yada yada yada.

his name was Jesus, its not usual - its official

Rapists should get their balls physically cut off...without any sedatives. And people who are "new" swedes should be sent back into their real home countries or be dumped into the atlantic afterwards. But the balls need to go either way.

Schrandtopia']his name was Jesus, its not usual - its official

Yeah, whatever.

So we should ignore them all and just suck it up when they attack us?

They break the laws of the land, then you punish them like anybody else.

You can't punish the whole for the acts of a few.

Should the US start punishing Catholics for the actions of McVeigh? (Oklahoma bomber). He was raised Catholic and attended daily mass.

Christians are race? Wow.....
Neither Christians nor Muslims are a race, as I am quick to point out every time someone responds to a thread like this with "the OP is just a racist".

Those who live in glass houses.

Actually on the scale of tolerance; both are about the same. Both have a fundiloon element.
Committing acts of extreme violence is much less tolerant than just ranting and raving about gays or whatever.

But it doesn't really matter. My point is that you rhetorically defend Muslim loons while attacking Christian loons.

Wow how very tollerant of you. So what kind of people am I?

I don't tolerate human rights violations. You do so in the name of being tolerant.

Hmmm. So much for immigration and openness, it seems. I'm not even going to post the pics of what the girl looked like after the assault/rape. Horrible. The savages should be castrated and chained to a poll to freeze to death while stuck to an iceberg. Waay too kind.

Well-said.

The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations are so extremely high that it is difficult to view them only as random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. Muhammad himself had forced sex (rape) with several of his slave girls/concubines. This is perfectly allowed, both in the sunna and in the Koran. If you postulate that many of the Muslims in Europe view themselves as a conquering army and that European women are simply war booty, it all makes perfect sense and is in full accordance with Islamic law. Western women are not so much regarded by most Muslims as individuals, but as “their women,” the women who “belong” to hostile Infidels. They are booty, to be taken, just as the land of the Infidels someday will drop, it is believed, into Muslim hand.

From Buhkari Hadith (posted at http://www.witness-pioneer.org/hadeeth/ )

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 132: Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a: The Prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day."

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33:Narrated Usama bin Zaid:
The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."

But of course, this is all taken "out of context" and doesn't represent the "real" Islam, which, as everyone knows, gives women more rights than those infidel Western dogs.

"Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

Utter insanity.

European progress toward cultural suicide may be irreversible.

Maybe the French will take La Marseillaise to heart one day: "Allons enfants de la patrie! Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons!"

Muslims have no place in any Western nation and should be removed, using whatever means expedient.

They break the laws of the land, then you punish them like anybody else.

You can't punish the whole for the acts of a few.

When the hell did I propose punishing all Muslims for the acts of a few rapists? To be honest I don't know what to do about it, but at least I am acknowledging that it's a problem.

Are you seriously asking us to say the faith of Islam is to blame for this?

You have a firm grip on the obvious.

Should the US start punishing Catholics for the actions of McVeigh? (Oklahoma bomber). He was raised Catholic and attended daily mass.

BUT HE DIDN'T DO WHAT HE DID FOR CHRISTIAN REASONS. Do we have to point that out again?

Muslims have no place in any Western nation and should be removed, using whatever means expedient.
Stupidity. Western nations are united by our values of liberty, equality and fraternity.

We are not defined by discrimination, or by locking out groups of people based on religion.

Stupidity. Western nations are united by our values of liberty, equality and fraternity.

We are not defined by discrimination, or by locking out groups of people based on religion.

Fucking French Revolution. Ruined everything the West had going for it...

Fucking French Revolution. Ruined everything the West had going for it...
War, theocracy and monarchy???

Neither Christians nor Muslims are a race, as I am quick to point out every time someone responds to a thread like this with "the OP is just a racist".

Committing acts of extreme violence is much less tolerant than just ranting and raving about gays or whatever.

But it doesn't really matter. My point is that you rhetorically defend Muslim loons while attacking Christian loons.

I don't tolerate human rights violations. You do so in the name of being tolerant.

:D You haven't been here that long. So your comments don't offend. Go back long enough and you will find I was a supporter of the Iraq invasion and I still support Afghanistan.

I challenge you to find one post of mine that says they should be tolerated for their actions.

My actions are nothing more then a simple example of "Those in glass houses..."

The Christians should clean up their own house before they start judging the actions of others. Especially, those that take to refering the criminals as muslims rather then a criminal who happens to be a "Muslim."

Those that judge the morality of others are usually hiding violations of their own moral code.

Fucking French Revolution. Ruined everything the West had going for it...

Economic stagnation, monarchical rule and an oppressed lower class?

War, theocracy and monarchy???

Yeah. If we didn't get that revolutionary crap, we wouldn't have to tolerate our enemies and foes.

Stupidity. Western nations are united by our values of liberty, equality and fraternity.

We are not defined by discrimination, or by locking out groups of people based on religion.

Eh? You mean now right?

Yeah. If we didn't get that revolutionary crap, we wouldn't have to tolerate our enemies and foes.

Yes. Damn the proles for actually demanding equal rights and the ability to earn a decent living!

BUT HE DIDN'T DO WHAT HE DID FOR CHRISTIAN REASONS. Do we have to point that out again?

It's the same thing.

They are no longer a follower of the Religion when they committed their acts.

Yes. Damn the proles for actually demanding equal rights and the ability to earn a decent living!

All the French Revolution gave us was Robespierre, the Great Terror, and Napoleon.

It's the same thing.

They are no longer a follower of the Religion when they committed their acts.

No, it's not the same thing. There is a difference between "bombing a building and being a Christian" and "destroying a tower because of muslims reasons."

I've been on to this for some time, since 1993.


I've been on something different for a lot longer, and I feel pretty mellow about most things including people of other religions and races and colors and stuff.

:p

No, it's not the same thing. There is a difference between "bombing a building and being a Christian" and "destroying a tower because of muslims reasons."

Then the task is yours. Find somewhere in the Quar-an that says to attack unarmed non-combatants.

Schrandtopia']...
but some of them, fly planes into buildings


Sure, and some Catholics called themselves the IRA and set about peddling drugs and smuggling guns so they could fund a programme of terrorism that lasted for decades across the whole of the UK as well as in Ireland itself, so they could murder Protestants. And some Protestant fundamentalists called themselves British patriots and Orangemen and set about making themselves a mirror-image of the IRA to murder Catholics.

General principle of sets in logic: "some" doesn't mean "all".

All the French Revolution gave us was Robespierre, the Great Terror, and Napoleon.

It also gave birth to Republican and anti-Monarchist groups throughout Europe, and began the process of destroying Monarchies and moving towards more progressive and equal societies.

Then the task is yours. Find somewhere in the Quar-an that says to attack unarmed non-combatants.

"And one who attacks you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you."

If we kill civilians accidentally, they can do so.

You haven't been here that long. So your comments don't offend. Go back long enough and you will find I was a supporter of the Iraq invasion and I still support Afghanistan.
What is the relevance of this? So supported stupid wars, fuck-a-doodle-doo.

I challenge you to find one post of mine that says they should be tolerated for their actions.
That would probably be as difficult for me as finding one post of yours that criticises them for their actions.

On the other hand, I can find plenty of posts by you that criticise only Christian fundies.

My actions are nothing more then a simple example of "Those in glass houses..."

The Christians should clean up their own house before they start judging the actions of others. Especially, those that take to refering the criminals as muslims rather then a criminal who happens to be a "Muslim."

Those that judge the morality of others are usually hiding violations of their own moral code.
Except that not everyone who is criticising Islamic radicals is a Christian. I also disagree that just because someone is a Christian, they have no right to speak out against human rights violations.

Eh? You mean now right?
Yes. We sould continually strive for liberty, equality and fraternity. And yes, tolerance.

It's the same thing.

They are no longer a follower of the Religion when they committed their acts.
It's not relevant whether their actions are harmonious with whatever dusty old book they follow. They claim that they are, which is what defines them as religious terrorists.

It also gave birth to Republican and anti-Monarchist groups throughout Europe, and began the process of destroying Monarchies and moving towards more progressive and equal societies.

And who said monarchies were bad? The West did it's best work under monarchs and dictators. Republicanism has left us indecisive, weak, and slow.

And the French Rev almost went to communism. It certainly advocated it in part.

Sure, and some Catholics called themselves the IRA and set about peddling drugs and smuggling guns so they could fund a programme of terrorism that lasted for decades across the whole of the UK as well as in Ireland itself, so they could murder Protestants. And some Protestant fundamentalists called themselves British patriots and Orangemen and set about making themselves a mirror-image of the IRA to murder Catholics.

General principle of sets in logic: "some" doesn't mean "all".
I am sick of ignorant people casually revising history to suit whatever arbitrary debate they're partaking in.

And who said monarchies were bad? The West did it's best work under monarchs and dictators. Republicanism has left us indecisive, weak, and slow.

And the French Rev almost went to communism. It certainly advocated it in part.

And Monarchies (Especially the French linegae) promoted bankruptancy and stagnation economically and socially.

And Monarchies (Especially the French linegae) promoted bankruptancy and stagnation economically and socially.

So we've proven that the French are failures. There have been many great, enlightened monarchs. Frederick the Great, Catherine the Great...

What is the relevance of this? So supported stupid wars, fuck-a-doodle-doo.


:rolleyes:


That would probably be as difficult for me as finding one post of yours that criticises them for their actions.

On the other hand, I can find plenty of posts by you that criticise only Christian fundies.


There there kiddo. I know it's hard. I don't have to post "me too" comments all the time when somebody has already said it well enough.

The fact remains you can't find one post defending their actions.


Except that not everyone who is criticising Islamic radicals is a Christian. I also disagree that just because someone is a Christian, they have no right to speak out against human rights violations.

Many here are and many in the US are. There is a difference between judging the acts of a few and aligning those acts to the Religion.

Should we label Irish Catholics for the actions of the IRA?

Yes. We sould continually strive for liberty, equality and fraternity. And yes, tolerance.


Ahhh so the Countries of the EU are void of racism and bigotry?

It's not relevant whether their actions are harmonious with whatever dusty old book they follow. They claim that they are, which is what defines them as religious terrorists.

Sorry, labeling a religion by the actions of the fundiloons is wrong.

You do understand the difference between "Christians" and Christians right? The same for "Muslims" and Muslims right?

I am sick of ignorant people casually revising history to suit whatever arbitrary debate they're partaking in.

So the IRA never did any of that?

Look, I don't care where they live, I don't care where they're from, I dob't care about what religion they are, but they are doing wrong things that they think are somehow justified because Swedish women don't where headscarves, they could be antarctic rastafarian pygmys and if they moved to Norway, they couldn't rape women just because they don't dress like antarctic rastafarian pygmys. And the person who went to jail because she thought gang rape by immigrants was disgusting even if she was a neo-nazi. I don't get it!

There there kiddo. I know it's hard. I don't have to post "me too" comments all the time when somebody has already said it well enough.

The fact remains you can't find one post defending their actions.

Except that actually criticising Muslim fundies on this forum appears to be a minority sport. If you disapprove of their actions, say so.

You don't support Muslim terrorists, I understand that. But it is just a ridiculous, evasive tactic that you use. You can't face up to the fact that Muslim ultra-conservatives are not all about sunshine and tolerance, so you start every reply with "But Christians..." Christians are not relevant, end of story.

Many here are and many in the US are. There is a difference between judging the acts of a few and aligning those acts to the Religion.
Which is why I'm the guy saying that the holy books don't matter.

Which is also why most of the people criticising the social influenced of Muslim fundamentalists are not damning the whole religion.

Should we label Irish Catholics for the actions of the IRA?
See my above posts. The IRA were not fighting for Catholic rule.

Ahhh so the Countries of the EU are void of racism and bigotry?
Can't you read? Striving for =/= already achieved.

Sorry, labeling a religion by the actions of the fundiloons is wrong.
Unless it's Christians we're talking about.

You do understand the difference between "Christians" and Christians right? The same for "Muslims" and Muslims right?
No.

So the IRA never did any of that?
Did they fight for a Catholic theocracy? No, they didn't.

Hmmm. So much for immigration and openness...yada yada I'm a racist wanker

So, before this we had an ecidemic of christian rape?

No.


"Christians" and "Muslims" means they are in name only. They can claim it but when you get down to it they really are not following the teachings of the Religion. They are not living it....

"Christians" and "Muslims" means they are in name only. They can claim it but when you get down to it they really are not following the teachings of the Religion. They are not living it....

Kind of like Communists.

Unless it's Christians we're talking about.


Well yes. When you live in the land that has Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Charles Dobson, Fred Phelps, etc. You would understand. ;)

For the thought-challenged - wouldnt it make sense to say that the bigger a population gets (and the bigger the lower class gets) the greater amounts of crime will be commited simply because there are more people to commit crimes, whether or not immigrants contribute to it?

The answer would be yes and to make a claim that Muslims commit 90% of the crime in Europe would require actual proof.

We see in all societies that the lower class (no matter their ethnicity) is overwhelmingly prosecuted for criminal activity and makes up the bulk of prisoners. Why? Many reasons because the world isn't so black and white that we can just say "Blacks/Mexicans/Muslims are inherently criminal". But I've seen your refusal to acknowledge any plausible arguments so I won't go any further in tryign to convince you of anything. I just wanted to let you know that I think you should have that pile of crap you call a brain checked out.

Most muslims treat women as 2nd class citizens, as we see it on the human rights records of all majority muslim countries. Some muslims think women who doesnt wear headscarfs are indecent and they want to be ******. So there is a cultural connection between rapes and muslim immigrants beyond the economical situation.
If you cant see this, the problem lies on your comprehension skills, not my brain. It's amazing that even people of your calibré dares to throw such accusations...

Most muslims treat women as 2nd class citizens, as we see it on the human rights records of all majority muslim countries. Some muslims think women who doesnt wear headscarfs are indecent and they want to be ******. So there is a cultural connection between rapes and muslim immigrants beyond the economical situation.
If you cant see this, the problem lies on your comprehension skills, not my brain. It's amazing that even people of your calibré dares to throw such accusations...

Hmmm what about Jordan? Pretaliban Afghanistan?

And rape has been around for tens of thousands of years, even though Islam has only been there for like 40-50 years. Which seems to further support the point that rape isn't caused by Islam. Thus, if you are going to argue that Muslims should be deported in order to reduce the frequency of rape, then you must also accept that this argument will lead us to conclude that all men should be deported from Europe.

Rape isnt caused by islam, the religion. However, it is fueled by their culture which sees women as 2nd class citizens. And as I said, I dont say muslims should be deported just because of these rape issues. The rape issue just highlights the difference of their culture...

Kind of like Communists.

Eh what?

Is there such thing as a full idealogical economic society?

No, it wouldn't. There are other factors which are vastly more significant then religion (like wealth, education, employment etc) - if religion is significant at all.


It'd show that alien cultures, especially those that might replace the original culture in future, dont do well.


No, it wasn't. You conclude that the 72 people charged are muslim because the majority of non-western immigrants are muslim. It's pure speculation - for all we know, it's the minority that is troublesome.

It would even be more resonable if you blamed the local culture of the immigrants then the religion.


Mine was a reasonable conclusion. I'm more likely to be right than wrong. However, you are right. I can not give you 100% proof because there is no data on crime vs religion. So we have to work on the data we have. Besides, what have 100% proof? All of our major understanding of like is based on theories which arent proven 100%. Theory of gravity, evolution, quantum theory, big bang theory, etc...


When? Where? I haven't seen it.

1) The title implies that the muslim community is concerned, and wishes to do something to reduce the presence of immigrants in rape cases. It says nothing of the religious affiliation of the rapists.
2) Read the article, not just the title, to see the bigger picture.
3) Your sarcastic remarks ment little.


Oh, you've GOT to be kidding now! Please, please say it's a joke or deliberate overstatement?

Why would muslim community and only muslim community intervened if most of the rapists werent muslims?

NO ONE CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK YOU NAZI FUCK!!!!!!!!!!

Standart idiotic line. This can be only Fass...

Eh what?

Is there such thing as a full idealogical economic society?

I believe George Barnard Shaw once said that Christianity would be a good thing, if there were any practicing Christians.

I can say the same thing about Islam, or Communism.