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You know....I think rap is known world wide, for better or for worse, for its content..lyrics and rappers. Now my question is, does anyone think its a problem that blacks glorify poverty, killing, drug dealing, no go spots for Whites, crime, basically lowering the status of women to bitches, hoes, and sluts, and an all around lack of respect for goverment/ law and authority?

Now, personally, I like rap, but I think most rappers are idiots...I just like listening to their music. But I know thats not always the case. Many young blacks and whites (known as wiggers) think of these people as their idols and look up to them, for whatever reason, ie they think their cool, they are the cloest to a real father figure...whatever.

Anyway, while most rap flaunts the things I'm talking about, I have a video which does it without breaking stride. Hustlin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az1o6YrnBb4&search=rick%20ross%20hustlin)

First it starts off in Miami Beach...then strays east into areas notorious to Whites in South Florida like my self...areas such as Liberity City, Carol City, Overtown. These areas are...well, some of the shittiest areas I can think of, comparable to Watts, Compton and such...just other black 'ghettos'.

Anyway, please, state your opinion...dicuss, vote...and in my thread, so long as you dont flame, you have complete freedom of speech, so say what you like...because without open discussion, we have nothing.

*for those not familiar with black slang, hustling means selling/moving/pushing drugs*

I think you mena "hip hop" culture.

I think you mena "hip hop" culture.

Well...its like 99% black.

there are some spanish in it now, but they sorta assimilated to the black culture aspect of it.

Rap is black.

The music in itself is good, the beats and whatnot, but not the lyrics and rappers. (Well, most of them, there are rappers that sing about stuff that dosent have to do with poppin a cap in some niggas' ass over some drugs and his ho)

but then again, all of this stuff has been around for a long time, and rebellion has been emboied in many forms. This is just a stage in popular music, and then will give way to something else.

Well...its like 99% black.

there are some spanish in it now, but they sorta assimilated to the black culture aspect of it.

Rap is black.
Eminem isn't.

Rap is black.
No, rap is speaking, sometimes with musical undertone, in a crafted rhyming structure much faster than a poem would be read to the beat of music.

Eminem isn't.
Not to mention the Beastie Boys.

Eminem isn't.

notice the 99% and not the 100%

But everyone knows that Eminem acts black...thats where the whole concept of a wigger comes from.

It's in the same boat with violent movies and video games. Everyone's questioning whether or not the government should ban it, regulate it, promote it, blah blah blah. No one seems to state the obvious that the behavior of children depends so much on the PARENTS. It's like we want to take the responsibility of parents acting as moral guides away from the parents and give it to either the government or some rapper saying, "Got mah 12 guage sawed off, 'bout to dust some cops off."

No, rap is speaking, sometimes with musical undertone, in a crafted rhyming structure much faster than a poem would be read to the beat of music.


I assumed you'd be smart enough to understand what I was saying.

I assumed wrong. :rolleyes:

well black culture and hiphop culture is american culture.

the only problem i have with popular culture is when people mistake music videos and lyrics for reality and start emulating what they see on tv.

This thread is racist.

I assumed you'd be smart enough to understand what I was saying.

I assumed wrong.
I had assumed you wern't so ignorant as to not be able to properly classify rap. I had assumed you wern't a racist prick.

I was likewise wrong.

notice the 99% and not the 100%
I thought you gave the 1% to the latin rappers.

But everyone knows that Eminem acts black...thats where the whole concept of a wigger comes from.
He's still more succesfull then most real niggers.

I like rap because you can exploit it and make a shitload of money.

This thread is racist.

OMG can you just go away.

This thread is racist.
yep

and.....

notice the 99% and not the 100%

thats for the Hispanic ones

notice the 99% and not the 100%

But everyone knows that Eminem acts black...thats where the whole concept of a wigger comes from.
Acts black? :rolleyes: As though there's a single way in which black people act. As though there's no deviation inside the culture. God, you are such a child.

I thought you gave the 1% to the latin rappers.


He's still more succesfull then most real niggers.

Yes, but this again has nothing to do with this..lol, I'm not disagreeing with you, its just not what I;m talking about.

What I'm saying is that rap is black, only there are some Whites..hispanics and such that have sorta gotten into it and assimilated into the culture.

OMG can you just go away.
You can stop being ignorant and racist.

Rap is not black. Hip hop is not inherently rap. You are talking about the current "hip hop culture." Get your shit straight.

The Beastie Boys were white and they are old school. Run-DMC didn't do this kind of shit and they were the biggest name in rap.

Acts black? :rolleyes: As though there's a single way in which black people act. As though there's no deviation inside the culture. God, you are such a child.
I think he means that he acts like the average rapper, not like a black person

This thread is racist.

If you define racism as ascribing certain cultural behavior to a particular ethnic group based on empirical observation...yes...it is.

Acts black? :rolleyes: As though there's a single way in which black people act. As though there's no deviation inside the culture. God, you are such a child.

God you are so PC...everyone in the world that I have ever talked to, from parents, to teachers to fellow classmates knows what act black means...yet somehow its just way to risque a topic for you to grasp.

I think he means that he acts like the average rapper, not like a black person

Which in turn, is how many blacks act because they tend to look up to rappers.

I'm not saying act black like how they are naturally born, I'm saying how many blacks act because its their cool and what they like.

God you are so PC...everyone in the world that I have ever talked to, from parents, to teachers to fellow classmates knows what act black means...yet somehow its just way to risque a topic for you to grasp.
I assume you base yourself on television steryotipes, because people can act very different, and still be of the same race

Which in turn, is how many blacks act because they tend to look up to rappers.

I'm not saying act black like how they are naturally born, I'm saying how many blacks act because its their cool and what they like.
Way to do a sweeping generalisation on black people
If I am to use your logic, then all Asians are narrowed eyed rice farmers

You can stop being ignorant and racist.

Rap is not black. Hip hop is not inherently rap. You are talking about the current "hip hop culture." Get your shit straight.

The Beastie Boys were white and they are old school. Run-DMC didn't do this kind of shit and they were the biggest name in rap.

Hello, today called...it whats you back from the past.

Who cares about Run DMC...we are talking about now..in the age of 50 Cent, Dr. Dre...Snoop, all that.

My 'shit is straight' rap is black, others have just moved into it.

Way to do a sweeping generalisation on black people
If I am to use your logic, then all Asians are narrowed eyed rice farmers

hey, this is how a HUGE majority of the blacks in South Florida and California live...I'm just basing it on where I;ve lived.

Your not an American, so you probably dont know what I;'m talking about because you dont have the same experiences, which is why I segregated the polls...*points up to polls*

I think he means that he acts like the average rapper, not like a black person
Well, in comparison to the niggaz with their bling, big cars, crystal, bundles of cash and legions of hoes in their video's one could say that Eminem has an actual message. One that doesn't involve how cool drugdealing and shit is.

I think he means that he acts like the average rapper, not like a black person
Then he should have said that, as opposed to having made such an idiotic statement. I'm not saying he's being deliberately racist, but there's certainly a dismissal of African-American culture and a lack of understanding about the breadth and depth of that culture as a whole. He's a kid, and if he's lucky, he'll pull his head out of his ass and take a look around one day, but for now, he's saying stupid stuff, and the only way he'll learn any different is to be slapped when he does it.

I assume you base yourself on television steryotipes, because people can act very different, and still be of the same race

of course they CAN...nobody is arguing against that. Where I have lived in America, this is how the large majority of blacks act and are influenced by.

Well, in comparison to the niggaz with their bling, big cars, crystal, bundles of cash and legions of hoes in their video's one could say that Eminem has an actual message. One that doesn't involve how cool drugdealing and shit is.

Agreed...however Eminem isnt actually an angel...Ever heard the Marshal Mathers LP?

Songs such as Criminal, Kill you and such.

Haha, I love Eminem, I'm just saying...I assume you like Eminem too?

I'm still waiting for it to be cool to act like a studious, Asian mathematician.

God you are so PC...everyone in the world that I have ever talked to, from parents, to teachers to fellow classmates knows what act black means...yet somehow its just way to risque a topic for you to grasp.
No, I'm educated, as opposed to you, who is ignorant. Hopefully you'll understand the difference one day.

Then he should have said that, as opposed to having made such an idiotic statement. I'm not saying he's being deliberately racist, but there's certainly a dismissal of African-American culture and a lack of understanding about the breadth and depth of that culture as a whole. He's a kid, and if he's lucky, he'll pull his head out of his ass and take a look around one day, but for now, he's saying stupid stuff, and the only way he'll learn any different is to be slapped when he does it.

My head is out of my ass, though I dont think I can say the same about yours...which just goes to show that your obviously gonna think I'm an idiot, and I'm obviously gonna think your an idiot.

But your certinaly not gonna slap me and change me....thats for sure.

Which in turn, is how many blacks act because they tend to look up to rappers.

I'm not saying act black like how they are naturally born, I'm saying how many blacks act because its their cool and what they like.

Plenty of whites also look up to rappers - this is about the rap/hip-hop culture, not about Black culture at all. Just as there are plenty of blacks who are into that rap culture, there are plenty who aren't, and plenty of whites too.

It can be steretotyped as "Black culture" by schookids, but like most kids' stereotypes, it's only partially true, if at all.

Agreed...however Eminem isnt actually an angel...Ever heard the Marshal Mathers LP?

Songs such as Criminal, Kill you and such.

Haha, I love Eminem, I'm just saying...I assume you like Eminem too?
Sure. But unlike most other rappers he seemed to have evolved above that.

No, I'm educated, as opposed to you, who is ignorant. Hopefully you'll understand the difference one day.

I'm not educated?

Thats interesting...doesnt say much for our great state then when I graduate from their schools and get accepted to their colleges, huh?

I'm still waiting for it to be cool to act like a studious, Asian mathematician.
It's all about the Pentiums.

Plenty of whites also look up to rappers - this is about the rap/hip-hop culture, not about Black culture at all. Just as there are plenty of blacks who are into that rap culture, there are plenty who aren't, and plenty of whites too.

It can be steretotyped as "Black culture" by schookids, but like most kids' stereotypes, it's only partially true, if at all.

I know that whites are also into it...notice when I talked about 'wiggers' in another post.

It is black culture...its just that it also also influenced outsid ethe black community.

I'm not educated?

Thats interesting...doesnt say much for our great state then when I graduate from their schools and get accepted to their colleges, huh?
It would be funny if you wound up in one of my classes. Let's just say that if you tried the level of argumentation in your papers that you do on this forum, you'd be repeating the class.

Sure. But unlike most other rappers he seemed to have evolved above that.

Mabye because hes not an idiot glorrifying the hood and how great it is to be on the run from the cops because of a bad drug deal?

Anyway, I liked Eminem best in Marshal Mathers LP and Eminem Show..he seems to have toned down now that his life has gotten better.

THe only solution, fuck up his life....kidnap Haley, lol.

I'm not educated?

Thats interesting...doesnt say much for our great state then when I graduate from their schools and get accepted to their colleges, huh?
Well, USian highschools do tend to have a bad rep. What was it again? USian students can't find Canada on a map?

Oh noes! Teh negroz is making white women want teh sex with them!

Must stop them! They're taking over!!!

You know, kiddies, this has been an argument of small penis having white neocon types since the 1890s when Stephen Foster was accused of "embracing the negro culture" by publishing such songs as "Swanee River".

White America needs to seriously grow the fuck up. 116 years of this "damn white people acting black" crap is more than enough.

It would be funny if you wound up in one of my classes. Let's just say that if you tried the level of argumentation in your papers that you do on this forum, you'd be repeating the class.
this is assuming you go to the same school, its a big assumption

Mabye because hes not an idiot glorrifying the hood and how great it is to be on the run from the cops because of a bad drug deal?

Anyway, I liked Eminem best in Marshal Mathers LP and Eminem Show..he seems to have toned down now that his life has gotten better.

THe only solution, fuck up his life....kidnap Haley, lol.
So you prefer the more violent version of Eminem and still complain about the glorification of the hood?

If you live north of the Mason-Dixon line and don't live in Brooklyn or Detroit, you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't feed me the "thats just a stereotype from TV" crap, because it isn't. I live just outside of New Orleans. In the New Orleans ghettos, everybody is like that. Or were you're only impressions of New Orleans blacks from when some drunk ass was calling them a downtrodden but hearty and good people that Bush was walking on?

In inner city New Orleans, they steal, kill, rape, and execute violent gang wars, EVERY DAY. Don't tell me that the culture rap promotes isn't a black ideal. White people who set foot in New Orleans ghettos don't leave with their wallets, or without a bullet wound. "Gangsta" rap is a black culture, promoted by blacks, to glorify, you guessed it, blacks. This isn't my opinion, this is based on actual events and statistics from New Orleans (such as that inner city New Orleans has the third highest murder rate in the country, Pre-Katrina).

You want something racist, why don't you look at rap music itself?

Well, USian highschools do tend to have a bad rep. What was it again? USian students can't find Canada on a map?
hehe, I saw on the tellyvizion, this program, and they were asking people on the street were Iraq was, and half of them hit Australia, it was hilarious, but sad, poor Gringos

Well, USian highschools do tend to have a bad rep. What was it again? USian students can't find Canada on a map?

Usian students have a bad rep?

What is the repution of a Usian anyway...I dont even know what the hell a Usian IS.

And yes, American schools do have a bad repution...but you also get what you put into them, and some are better than others. I doubt an American kid couldnt find Canada on the map...but I think it wouldnt be uncommon for an American kid not to be able to find Germany or Finland or such.

Black culture. What a joke.

So are we even discussing Africa here, or just a very small segment of Black US citizens?

this is assuming you go to the same school, its a big assumption
Yes, the assumption is that he would go to the university where I am an instructor, and would wind up writing papers for me.

hehe, his t-shirt said 'boobie boys' on hit. lmao!

seriously though, i was really trying to find some sort of social commentary or irony in the lyrics of that track. i thought there might be at the beginning when he said at the beginning about all the sun, sea, sand and wealth not being the real miami but then he went on to glorify his supposed exploitation of the real miami which seems to be characterised by poverty. he didn't actually mention drugs tho as far as i could tell. there was a lot of money changing hands but the goods that were being exchange seemed to be clothes and cars and whatnot so maybe the song was a comment on how people assume that black people exchanging cash are dealing drugs when they are 'just trying to get by' or something. maybe. did seem like it was a glorification of ghetto life, on the surface anyway, whether it was deeper than that i don't know.

I dont even know what the hell a Usian IS.

Well, there you go.:D

White people who set foot in New Orleans ghettos don't leave with their wallets, or without a bullet wound.

I call absolute bullshit and submit that you have never been anywhere near New Orleans.

No, I'm educated, as opposed to you, who is ignorant. Hopefully you'll understand the difference one day.

So you don't realise that a "hip-hop" "ghetto" culture of violence and agression exists mostly dominated by black youths, although not exclusive to black youths. I almost see it as a continuation of Malcolm X rejection of white people. True artists like Eminem exist but there was so much fuss about the fact he was white and a rapper in hip hop culture :eek: Its just lucky he was so talented.

I don't think I've seen anyone here say all blacks are violent and intimidating, just those that follow this culture and even then not every one who follows rap/hip hop is like this, but ENOUGH of an ammount to make it a noticable figure.

So you prefer the more violent version of Eminem and still complain about the glorification of the hood?

Ugh yeah...because hes states that hes joking and just does it to piss people off and is not being serious...this is not the case in the other scenarios we were talking about.

If you live north of the Mason-Dixon line and don't live in Brooklyn or Detroit, you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't feed me the "thats just a stereotype from TV" crap, because it isn't. I live just outside of New Orleans. In the New Orleans ghettos, everybody is like that. Or were you're only impressions of New Orleans blacks from when some drunk ass was calling them a downtrodden but hearty and good people that Bush was walking on?

In inner city New Orleans, they steal, kill, rape, and execute violent gang wars, EVERY DAY. Don't tell me that the culture rap promotes isn't a black ideal. White people who set foot in New Orleans ghettos don't leave with their wallets, or without a bullet wound. "Gangsta" rap is a black culture, promoted by blacks, to glorify, you guessed it, blacks. This isn't my opinion, this is based on actual events and statistics from New Orleans (such as that inner city New Orleans has the third highest murder rate in the country, Pre-Katrina).

You want something racist, why don't you look at rap music itself?
Lemme guess. Jeff Parish? Northshore? New Orleans East? St. Bernard? What part of white-flight suburbia do you live in? And furthermore, if you live near New Orleans and don't know about the rich history of African-American culture outside the world of rap, then you're so willfully ignorant that it's amazing you remember to breathe on your own.

So are we even discussing Africa here, or just a very small segment of Black US citizens?

Pfft ... there are no black people in Africa, silly. Crazy Canadians ... you're crazy ... the US is the whole world, don't you know.

I call absolute bullshit and submit that you have never been anywhere near New Orleans.
It'd looked too menancing in the brochure to even go near. He's a brave person to even dare be within 2,391 miles of a NO ghetto.

I am, oddly, white and British, and am frankly repulsed by Black culture. Especially in the British suburbs.

I call absolute bullshit and submit that you have never been anywhere near New Orleans.

Well as I doubt hes gonna give you his address...its you word against his and I beleive him because he doesnt have a reason to lie.

I call absolute bullshit and submit that you have never been anywhere near New Orleans.

Read the post again. I live just outside of New Orleans. I was in the French Quarter 3 days ago. Shut up if you have nothing valid to add. Here, you wanna tell the family members I have who have been mugged in inner city New Orleans that it just didn't happen right? You have a lot of nerve for an idiot.

I am, oddly, white and British, and am frankly repulsed by Black culture. Especially in the British suburbs.

Hmm..I didnt even know you guys got black culture in England???

If you live north of the Mason-Dixon line and don't live in Brooklyn or Detroit, you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't feed me the "thats just a stereotype from TV" crap, because it isn't. I live just outside of New Orleans. In the New Orleans ghettos, everybody is like that. Or were you're only impressions of New Orleans blacks from when some drunk ass was calling them a downtrodden but hearty and good people that Bush was walking on?

In inner city New Orleans, they steal, kill, rape, and execute violent gang wars, EVERY DAY. Don't tell me that the culture rap promotes isn't a black ideal. White people who set foot in New Orleans ghettos don't leave with their wallets, or without a bullet wound. "Gangsta" rap is a black culture, promoted by blacks, to glorify, you guessed it, blacks. This isn't my opinion, this is based on actual events and statistics from New Orleans (such as that inner city New Orleans has the third highest murder rate in the country, Pre-Katrina).

You want something racist, why don't you look at rap music itself?

Agreed 100% with your post.

I am, oddly, white and British, and am frankly repulsed by Black culture. Especially in the British suburbs.
Your a racist.

Read the post again. I live just outside of New Orleans. I was in the French Quarter 3 days ago. Shut up if you have nothing valid to add. Here, you wanna tell the family members I have who have been mugged in inner city New Orleans that it just didn't happen right? You have a lot of nerve for an idiot.

I say you're a liar. My white, blue-eyed ass has spent plenty of time in NO "ghettos" and have never lost my wallet or been shot or even threatened.

Maybe they don't like you or your family because you're assholes, not because you're white.

Well as I doubt hes gonna give you his address...its you word against his and I beleive him because he doesnt have a reason to lie.
Yeah, no reason except for 'having the authority' to talk about a certain place...no motivation whatsoever...:rolleyes:

Hmm..I didnt even know you guys got black culture in England???

Riiiiight...the only 'black culture' in existence is in the US. Keruvalia, you had it pegged. Sheesh.

Let me hlep you get the point across in both a non-ignorant, non-racist, and non-rap-hating way.

Rap was originally just an underground movement, brought to the forefront almost singlehandedly by Run-DMC with their cross wordplay and popular turntablism. It's popularity from there started to grow and evolve. Music and culture as a whole began leaning towards excess and rap especially started leaning towards talking about excess - whores, expensive jewelry, cars, and drink. Black became the main patrons of rap due to mostly black artists, thus the excess started to create a culture around it. When hip hop pulled away from rap, the culture of excess in the songs and videos exploded while the average black person continued to partonise the genre and take in all the excess and bad english.

"Hip hop culture" is not "black culture." Rap is not the same as hip hop.

hehe, his t-shirt said 'boobie boys' on hit. lmao!

seriously though, i was really trying to find some sort of social commentary or irony in the lyrics of that track. i thought there might be at the beginning when he said at the beginning about all the sun, sea, sand and wealth not being the real miami but then he went on to glorify his supposed exploitation of the real miami which seems to be characterised by poverty. he didn't actually mention drugs tho as far as i could tell. there was a lot of money changing hands but the goods that were being exchange seemed to be clothes and cars and whatnot so maybe the song was a comment on how people assume that black people exchanging cash are dealing drugs when they are 'just trying to get by' or something. maybe. did seem like it was a glorification of ghetto life, on the surface anyway, whether it was deeper than that i don't know.

Dude..the name of the song is hustlin and he says hes into distribution of drugs he talks pushing cocaine...what song are you listening to??? Hustling is pushing/dealing/selling drugs..I explained that in my op.

Your a racist.

Not as such. Nationalist, yes. I simply have a real problem with "Afrikaan" culture being predominant in my suburbs.

Hmm..I didnt even know you guys got black culture in England???
No, seriously this thread is fucking racist.
At worst it is "hip hop culture." It has not a god damn thing to do with race, despite the majority of its patrons.

Hmm..I didnt even know you guys got black culture in England???

Ever been to Brixton?

Frankly, I'm going to take gansta rap as an accurate portrayal of 'black culture' the same way I'm going to take bubble-gum skank pop (a la Miss B. Spears) as an accurate portrayal of 'white culture', mmmkay?

I say you're a liar. My white, blue-eyed ass has spent plenty of time in NO "ghettos" and have never lost my wallet or been shot or even threatened.

Maybe they don't like you or your family because you're assholes, not because you're white.

I call bullshit, leftist.

Not as such. Nationalist, yes. I simply have a real problem with "Afrikaan" culture being predominant in my suburbs.
Afrikaan? I wasn't aware that the British suburbs are overrun with Afrikaanders.
And yes you are a racist if you don't embrace black culture, or any other culture which isn't yours, unconditionaly.

Not as such. Nationalist, yes. I simply have a real problem with "Afrikaan" culture being predominant in my suburbs.
Nationalist? No why does that sound so familiar...something to do with socialism...

Afrikaan? I wasn't aware that the British suburbs are overrun with Afrikaanders.

"Afrikaan" culture. Its merely one of a gammet of lovely terms used by our dear ethnic friends to describe their Britishness.

I call bullshit, leftist.

Call bullshit all you want, but I happen to be Cajun. Most folks who've heard me speak can attest to that.

Nationalist? No why does that sound so familiar...something to do with socialism...

Oh, how very original.

I say you're a liar. My white, blue-eyed ass has spent plenty of time in NO "ghettos" and have never lost my wallet or been shot or even threatened.

Maybe they don't like you or your family because you're assholes, not because you're white.
I have green eyes, but yeah, same story for me. Grew up on the northshore, high school in Slidell, college in Hammond. I've got my bonafides for the area, but the chump talking smack hasn't said where he's from. I'd guess he's from one of the whiter parts of Jefferson Parish, maybe Metairie or Kenner. The kind of area that elected David Duke to the state legislature all those years ago.

Ever been to Brixton?

I've been to London and Dover.

Afrikaan? I wasn't aware that the British suburbs are overrun with Afrikaanders.
And yes you are a racist if you don't embrace black culture, or any other culture which isn't yours, unconditionaly.
So it's not really people with black skin he hates....urp, I mean is 'nationalistic' about...it's the damn Afrikaanders!!! Damn them and their heavy accents and pirate treasure...

"Afrikaan" culture. Its merely one of a gammet of lovely terms used by our dear ethnic friends to describe their Britishness.
I'm sure the Boers would be thrilled.

Nationalist? No why does that sound so familiar...something to do with socialism...

Hrmmmmm ..... bell might be ringing somewhere ....

Oh, how very original.
I knew you wouldn't be content until someone pulled the Nazi card.

Don't worry, it won't interfere with the common knowledge that you are a racist.

Frankly, I'm going to take gansta rap as an accurate portrayal of 'black culture' the same way I'm going to take bubble-gum skank pop (a la Miss B. Spears) as an accurate portrayal of 'white culture', mmmkay?

Even you arnt stupid enough to make that analogy...thats terrible.

Even you arnt stupid enough to make that analogy...thats terrible.
You're right. Your analogy IS stupid, and I think that's pretty clear to everyone.

I'm sure the Boers would be thrilled.

Not my problem. I hardly think the average "gangsta" kid is interested in the etymology of a term.

You're right. Your analogy IS stupid, and I think that's pretty clear to everyone.

Wow..that was a 3rd grade, fourth grade at the most comeback.

Theres are like 2329320 black rappers that accuratly portray the stuff I'm talking about...then theres Brittney Spears who you dont like so she portrays Whites.

Just shhh.

Not my problem. I hardly think the average "gangsta" kid is interested in the etymology of a term.
Well, at least you seem to lnow where it's from. Where were we? Oh yeah. You are a racist.

Dude..the name of the song is hustlin and he says hes into distribution of drugs he talks pushing cocaine...what song are you listening to??? Hustling is pushing/dealing/selling drugs..I explained that in my op.
alright, i missed where he mentioned pushing drugs and cocaine specifically. i do think a song entitled 'hustlin'' can be about a commentary on possible popular misconceptions tho, even if this one isn't.

Wow..that was a 3rd grade, fourth grade at the most comeback.

Theres are like 2329320 black rappers that accuratly portray the stuff I'm talking about...then theres Brittney Spears who you dont like so she portrays Whites.

Just shhh.
And with every post you further confirm the fact that you know the square root of jack-fuck-all about African American culture.

The problem is not with hip-hop itself, but rather what hip-hop has become. Mainstream hip-hop is mass marketed bullshit designed for the lowest common denominators in society. It isn't hard to find good hip-hop, music with poetic lyrics and actual messages for its listeners.

Just compare the poetic lyrics from a group like Blackalicious to the "differently abled" lyrics of 50 Cent. Like all genres of music, the mainstream has gotten a hold of what began as a genuinely good form of music, and turned it into utter crap. It happened with rock, country, pop, and pretty much every other form of music ever conceived.

Polka, I think, is still safe.

So please don't gauge hip-hop based on what they show on MTV or BET. It's crap.

Wow..that was a 3rd grade, fourth grade at the most comeback.

Theres are like 2329320 black rappers that accuratly portray the stuff I'm talking about...then theres Brittney Spears who you dont like so she portrays Whites.

Just shhh.
Please, Miss B. Spears is simply one among many...many skany bubble gum poppers who accurately portray 'white culture'. Just as 'accurately' as your lame examples do.

I knew you wouldn't be content until someone pulled the Nazi card.

Don't worry, it won't interfere with the common knowledge that you are a racist.

IRONY. Try it, it tastes great.

Firstly, I am by no means racist. Indian immigrants I find to be entirely acceptable, and have many Indian friends. Oriental immigrants are similar in that regard. However, Rap, Hip-Hop, Gangsta and all other such "genres", and the concurrent culture, are simply depraved.

Well, at least you seem to lnow where it's from. Where were we? Oh yeah. You are a racist.

Once more, no. I deplore any adherents to said culture, not merely the black ones.

IRONY. Try it, it tastes great.

Firstly, I am by no means racist. Indian immigrants I find to be entirely acceptable, and have many Indian friends. Oriental immigrants are similar in that regard. However, Rap, Hip-Hop, Gangsta and all other such "genres", and the concurrent culture, are simply depraved.
You don't have to hate everyone who isn't the same colour of you to be a racist. Just hating one group based on their colour is enough.

Oh, and I see you're trying to wiggle out and say it's hatred based on culture, not colour...still racist, and I very much doubt you have the wherewithal to figure out which black man you cringe away from on the street belongs to 'gansta culture' (therefore hateable) and which does not (therefore loveable?).

Wow..that was a 3rd grade, fourth grade at the most comeback.

Theres are like 2329320 black rappers that accuratly portray the stuff I'm talking about...then theres Brittney Spears who you dont like so she portrays Whites.

Just shhh.
Hurray for ignorance and racism.
And hypocrisy.

alright, i missed where he mentioned pushing drugs and cocaine specifically. i do think a song entitled 'hustlin'' can be about a commentary on possible popular misconceptions tho, even if this one isn't.

It could, lol, but dude it doesnt.

Just hating one group based on their colour is enough.
Unless they are white of course. Thats what makes you PC.

Hurray for ignorance and racism.
And hypocrisy.
Yeah, he's a huge fan of My Nordland too...always defending our Generalite racists.

You don't have to hate everyone who isn't the same colour of you to be a racist. Just hating one group based on their colour is enough.

Oh, and I see you're trying to wiggle out and say it's hatred based on culture, not colour...still racist, and I very much doubt you have the wherewithal to figure out which black man you cringe away from on the street belongs to 'gansta culture' (therefore hateable) and which does not (therefore loveable?).

maybe its not about their color but about their culture?

I dont know, ask Chris...but thats just what I think hes getting at. Perhaps you should stop assuming that Chris like to take shots a niggers because they are blackies....:rolleyes:

*I typed that before your edit but it still stands*

Yeah, he's a huge fan of My Nordland too...always defending our Generalite racists.

A 'huge fan'?

We are friends...is that a problem?

And why do you always bring him into this, whats your fetish with him, leftist?

Unless they are white of course. Thats what makes you PC.
Whites are no fun to hate. For one, the differences between various 'white people' is still too clear...they haven't managed to put away their various Italian, Irish, Scottish, Afrikaander, German etc ethnicities in order to conglomerate into a big mass of 'whites'. When they finally realise that all white people are in fact united by their skin colour AND EXACTLY THE SAME as one another, then I can go on with the hating.

A 'huge fan'?

We are friends...is that a problem?

And why do you always bring him into this, whats your fetish with him, leftist?
Actually, my fetish is with the little group of racists on General who love to back each other up by claiming that it isn't racism, IT'S SOMETHING ELSE MUCH NICER. You are definately a member of that group.

Whites are no fun to hate. For one, the differences between various 'white people' is still too clear...they haven't managed to put away their various Italian, Irish, Scottish, Afrikaander, German etc ethnicities in order to conglomerate into a big mass of 'whites'. When they finally realise that all white people are in fact united by their skin colour AND EXACTLY THE SAME as one another, then I can go on with the hating.

Exactly the same?

Nows whos ignorant?

I would never claim American Blacks are the same as the Africans in the Congo.

Your an idiot for saying that the Germans and the Italians are exactly the same.

God your hipocrisy and ignorance is showing and laughable, leftist.

You don't have to hate everyone who isn't the same colour of you to be a racist. Just hating one group based on their colour is enough.

Oh, and I see you're trying to wiggle out and say it's hatred based on culture, not colour...still racist, and I very much doubt you have the wherewithal to figure out which black man you cringe away from on the street belongs to 'gansta culture' (therefore hateable) and which does not (therefore loveable?).

Don't you have any St. George flags to remove from cars?

Once more. I OBJECT TO GANGSTA CULTURE, and a good proportion of its adherents happen to be black. Quite who adheres to it is not my concern.

Whites are no fun to hate. For one, the differences between various 'white people' is still too clear...they haven't managed to put away their various Italian, Irish, Scottish, Afrikaander, German etc ethnicities in order to conglomerate into a big mass of 'whites'. When they finally realise that all white people are in fact united by their skin colour AND EXACTLY THE SAME as one another, then I can go on with the hating.
It's not about wether it's fun or not. It's about that it's socialy acceptable to portray whites in a degeratory(sp?) fashion without some civil rights group having a fit.

Actually, my fetish is with the little group of racists on General who love to back each other up by claiming that it isn't racism, IT'S SOMETHING ELSE MUCH NICER. You are definately a member of that group.

Am I? Wow..that means so much to mean coming from someone who thinks Italians and Afrikaaners are exactly the same, tool. :rolleyes:

Actually, my fetish is with the little group of racists on General who love to back each other up by claiming that it isn't racism, IT'S SOMETHING ELSE MUCH NICER. You are definately a member of that group.

It isn't. I happen to object to the klangers, does that mean I want to hang the soup dragon and gas the klangers? Hardly.

Exactly the same?

Nows whos ignorant? You, because you actually apply that argument in real life. I'm mocking your position, because I don't believe for an instant that you aren't lumping all blacks in the US in with your hated gansta rappers.

I would never claim American Blacks are the same as the Africans in the Congo.

Your an idiot for saying that the Germans and the Italians are exactly the same.

God your hipocrisy and ignorance is showing and laughable, leftist.The only reason you can't see the sarcasm, is because it mirrors your actual views about other groups.

Shit man it's just music, you know little Ronnie James Dio,used to sing of dragons, and castles can we then take from that that all little white rocker types live in castles and fight dragons?

Shit some people huh!

It's not about wether it's fun or not. It's about that it's socialy acceptable to portray whites in degeratory(sp?) fashion without some civil rights group having a fit.
Mmmm, perhaps...but it fails to take into account the fact that 'white' is a recent construct...that there is no actual coherence or an overweening 'white' group...that the Irish hated the Poles hated the Germans hated the...so on and so forth...

Then again, most racial constructs fail to take into account the diversity within the artifical grouping. As is shown here very well.

Not to mention the weirdness that is the fact that Jews aren't lumped in with the 'rest' of the 'whites'...???

It isn't. I happen to object to the klangers, does that mean I want to hang the soup dragon and gas the klangers? Hardly.

Chris you have a telegram.

Mmmm, perhaps...but it fails to take into account the fact that 'white' is a recent construct...that there is no actual coherence or an overweening 'white' group...that the Irish hated the Poles hated the Germans hated the...so on and so forth...

Then again, most racial constructs fail to take into account the diversity within the artifical grouping. As is shown here very well.

By whom, precisely?

Incidentally, since when have the Irish hated the Poles?

Not to mention the weirdness that is the fact that Jews aren't lumped in with the 'rest' of the 'whites'...???

Not all Jews are White because Jews arnt a people, they are followers of a religion.

Thats why there are Nordic Jews, African Jews, Arab Jews, Spanish Jews, Indian Jews...ect

Mmmm, perhaps...but it fails to take into account the fact that 'white' is a recent construct...that there is no actual coherence or an overweening 'white' group...that the Irish hated the Poles hated the Germans hated the...so on and so forth...
Again. Thats irrelevant. The overal consensus is that making jokes/portrayals etc... about whites in a bad fashion are acceptable. Just shrugg it off and move on. Unlike if you would make the same about blacks. That would get you a trial.

Black culture. What a joke.

So are we even discussing Africa here, or just a very small segment of Black US citizens?

we are discussing a significant segement of american entertainment popular culture. the entertainers are primarily african american but the genre is insanely popular among young american men of all classifications from the indian reservations to inner city to the white uppermiddle class enclaves.

By whom, precisely?

Incidentally, since when have the Irish hated the Poles?
At the beginning of the century, here in Canada, immigration was opened up to white Europeans first, those from the British Isles in particular...starting first with the English, then the Irish, and then the Scotts and Welsh (only because they weren't getting enough immigrants from Mother England). When that still wasn't enough, they opened it up to the 'hard working Germans' (who they figured were natural farmers), and then the Polish. There were huge racial tensions between all groups, and a lot of stereotypes about one another. I believe something similar occurred in the US, as the Italians were treated like dirt by other 'whites'. So this concept that there is a 'white' group fails to take into account the fact that 'white' meant nothing until fairly recently, and before that, it was all about ethnicitity.

Again. Thats irrelevant. The overal consensus is that making jokes/portrayals etc... about whites in a bad fashion are acceptable. Just shrugg it off and move on. Unlike if you would make the same about blacks. That would get you a trial.
Well, I'd like to actually see some of these portrayals...but that might be for another thread.

Well, I'd like to actually see some of these portrayals...but that might be for another thread.
Well, if a black comedian would make degeratory(sp?) jokes an comments about blacks you would laugh. Without reservation. If a white comedian would make such jokes in his show you would cringe and listen with an uneasy feeling.

If black culture is rap music, selling dope, hitting ho's from tha' back, wearing bling bling, etc..

Then is white culture country music, wearing white sheets on the weekend, driving a 1960s Chevy, and living in a trailer park/rural town/sprawling suburb?

Again. Thats irrelevant. The overal consensus is that making jokes/portrayals etc... about whites in a bad fashion are acceptable. Just shrugg it off and move on. Unlike if you would make the same about blacks. That would get you a trial.

Indeed.

Well, if a black comedian would make degeratory(sp?) jokes an comments about blacks you would laugh. Without reservation. If a white comedian would make such jokes in his show you would cringe and listen with an uneasy feeling.

I completely agree

As the only black person on this forum, allow me to become extremely indignant at the very idea put forward by thread! First of all, the majority of those purchasing "hip hop", "rap" or "urban music" are middle-class white boys. Secondly, the hip-hop music ethos is in no way reflective of the dominant values of black society, but rather a reflection of the supply-and-demand attitude taken to music by an industry that proselytises musical talent. Finally, I am a fan of all good music and Now Playing list contains Vivaldi's Four Seasons: Spring, The Flight of the Bumble Bee, Tupac: Dear Mama, The Element: Mrs Jones, and a vast assortment of jazz, so do not dare heap rap music on black people, when it is white society that is all too eager to swallow the industry's fruits!

Well, if a black comedian would make degeratory(sp?) jokes an comments about blacks you would laugh. Without reservation. If a white comedian would make such jokes in his show you would cringe and listen with an uneasy feeling.
Of for sure. Just as an East Indian making jokes about East Indians would get a giggle, and someone else would get a cringe. I think people within a certain group have a certain latitude when making jokes (usually mocking stereotypes) than people outside that group. Hence, I can say things like 'savage' or 'redskin' or 'injun' about native people, but if you did it, I'd probably pop you one in the jaw.

As the only black person on this forum...

that made me laugh a bit lol

Of for sure. Just as an East Indian making jokes about East Indians would get a giggle, and someone else would get a cringe. I think people within a certain group have a certain latitude when making jokes (usually mocking stereotypes) than people outside that group. Hence, I can say things like 'savage' or 'redskin' or 'injun' about native people, but if you did it, I'd probably pop you one in the jaw.
There you go.

As the only black person on this forum, allow me to become extremely indignant at the very idea put forward by thread! First of all, the majority of those purchasing "hip hop", "rap" or "urban music" are middle-class white boys. Secondly, the hip-hop music ethos is in no way reflective of the dominant values of black society, but rather a reflection of the supply-and-demand attitude taken to music by an industry that proselytises musical talent. Finally, I am a fan of all good music and Now Playing list contains Vivaldi's Four Seasons: Spring, The Flight of the Bumble Bee, Tupac: Dear Mama, The Element: Mrs Jones, and a vast assortment of jazz, so do not dare heap rap music on black people, when it is white society that is all too eager to swallow the industry's fruits!
Very well stated.

Acting black and acting like a ****** are two totally different things.
I place rappers in the catagory of acting like niggers, which means that they have no use or respect for any type of authority or law and order.

As the only black person on this forum, allow me to become extremely indignant at the very idea put forward by thread! First of all, the majority of those purchasing "hip hop", "rap" or "urban music" are middle-class white boys. Secondly, the hip-hop music ethos is in no way reflective of the dominant values of black society, but rather a reflection of the supply-and-demand attitude taken to music by an industry that proselytises musical talent. Finally, I am a fan of all good music and Now Playing list contains Vivaldi's Four Seasons: Spring, The Flight of the Bumble Bee, Tupac: Dear Mama, The Element: Mrs Jones, and a vast assortment of jazz, so do not dare heap rap music on black people, when it is white society that is all too eager to swallow the industry's fruits!

They should rename this the "Let's dump on black people" thread.

There you go.
There I go what. You were just saying that white people can be mocked and there are no consequences, but anyone else and 'there is a trial'. You then jumped into saying that people of a certain group can make fun of that group, but people outside of that group can't. Your point in bringing these two things up and linking them together is...?

As the only black person on this forum, allow me to become extremely indignant at the very idea put forward by thread! First of all, the majority of those purchasing "hip hop", "rap" or "urban music" are middle-class white boys. Secondly, the hip-hop music ethos is in no way reflective of the dominant values of black society, but rather a reflection of the supply-and-demand attitude taken to music by an industry that proselytises musical talent. Finally, I am a fan of all good music and Now Playing list contains Vivaldi's Four Seasons: Spring, The Flight of the Bumble Bee, Tupac: Dear Mama, The Element: Mrs Jones, and a vast assortment of jazz, so do not dare heap rap music on black people, when it is white society that is all too eager to swallow the industry's fruits!

In the US, perhaps. Most certainly not in the UK.

Acting black and acting like a ****** are two totally different things.

What is acting white?

There I go what. You were just saying that white people can be mocked and there are no consequences
So I'm wrong about that?
but anyone else and 'there is a trial'. You then jumped into saying that people of a certain group can make fun of that group, but people outside of that group can't. Your point in bringing these two things up and linking them together is...?
Still the same as before. I still have to see someone calling for a trial for discrimination aginst whites.

Rap music ,and I use the term music loosely, is done is done by people that can't sing one bit and have no musical talent at all. Just listen to the beat of a rap song, you can use the same beat for every rap song ever made.

Acting black and acting like a ****** are two totally different things.
I place rappers in the catagory of acting like niggers, which means that they have no use or respect for any type of authority or law and order.
Oh, come the fuck on! Seriously, what happened to political correctness? Where is that voice in your head that says "Dude, maybe you shouldn't say the n-word"?

Of for sure. Just as an East Indian making jokes about East Indians would get a giggle, and someone else would get a cringe. I think people within a certain group have a certain latitude when making jokes (usually mocking stereotypes) than people outside that group. Hence, I can say things like 'savage' or 'redskin' or 'injun' about native people, but if you did it, I'd probably pop you one in the jaw.

Firstly, good luck dear.

Secondly, such a premise is a fallacy. Any minority is more than allowed to make jokes at the expense of the white majority.

Oh, come the fuck on! Seriously, what happened to political correctness? Where is that voice in your head that says "Dude, maybe you shouldn't say the n-word"?

Political correctness... oh, I remember it. Since when did that have any credibility?

"Dude, maybe you shouldn't say the n-word"?

How come most black people crave equality and yet they wont allow white people to use a term they use daily?

Oh, come the fuck on! Seriously, what happened to political correctness? Where is that voice in your head that says "Dude, maybe you shouldn't say the n-word"?
fuck political correctness

N-word? ******?

while Im no big fan of political correctness, but you are right, decency is needed

In the US, perhaps. Most certainly not in the UK.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-1785801,00.html

Despite boasting the best total crime figures in the developed world, Northern Ireland still has one of the worst records for crimes of violence. People in the province are twice as likely to be victims of violent assault than in America.

Are hip-hop black youths committing those crimes in Northern Ireland?


[i]Violent crime was highest in Scotland where levels per head of population are comparable with crime-ridden cities such as Rio de Janeiro. The attacks have been fuelled by a “booze and blades” culture in the west of Scotland, which has claimed more than 160 lives in the past five years.

The level of knife crime in Glasgow is similar to that in the most violent eastern European cities. The worst offenders are males aged between 15 and 25. Since January this year there have been 13 murders, 145 attempted murders and 1,100 serious assaults involving knives in the west of Scotland.

The problem is exacerbated by sectarian violence with casualty wards reporting higher admissions following Old Firm matches.

David Ritchie, an accident and emergency consultant at Glasgow’s Victoria Infirmary, said the UN figures were a “national disgrace”.

“I am embarrassed as a Scot that we are seeing this level of violence,” he said. “The politicians must do something about this problem. This is a serious public health issue and the people that are encouraging us to eat greens and avoid chips should be encouraging us not to knife each other. Violence is a cancer in this part of the world. [i]

What about Scotland? Is it the hip hop black youths there too?

So I'm wrong about that?

Still the same as before. I still have to see someone calling for a trial for discrimination aginst whites.
Quite possibly because any such 'discrimination' is not actually detrimental in any way. I'd still like to see some actual examples of trial-worthy anti-white discrimation (by your standards...what YOU think should be trial-worthy).

political correctness, isnt that the thing that stops us using the term brain storm?? lol

How come most black people crave equality and yet they wont allow white people to use a term they use daily?
maybe most black people dont say that, but rappers do, and then they want respect

Acting black and acting like a ****** are two totally different things.
I place rappers in the catagory of acting like niggers, which means that they have no use or respect for any type of authority or law and order.

you think you are chris rock?

i place rappers in the category of nouveax riche entertainers who are having the time of their lives while surrounded by industry yes men who will excuse any behavior as long as they keep making the record companies tons of money

im pretty sure that if any of us fell into the fame and fortune these people have we would end up exhibiting some rather bad behavior on occasion.

Rap music ,and I use the term music loosely, is done is done by people that can't sing one bit and have no musical talent at all. Just listen to the beat of a rap song, you can use the same beat for every rap song ever made.
In every genera whored by pop-culture record companies, there is ninety-nine percent crap, to every one percent of musical talent, just look at the Pop, Country & Western or Punk genres for references.

maybe most black people dont say that, but rappers do, and then they want respect
No no, we've already established that for black people, rappers are the accurate representation of black culture, but white culture is not accurately portrayed by any entertainers. So if black entertainers use the word, all blacks must. You see? See the logic?

How come most black people crave equality and yet they wont allow white people to use a term they use daily?
I have never used the term except to condemn it's use, how about you meet some black people before you make a generalisation!

How come most black people crave equality and yet they wont allow white people to use a term they use daily?

Probably because a black person calling his friend that word and a white person who spends most of his days surfing the stormfront.org website have different motives for using that word.

Political correctness... oh, I remember it. Since when did that have any credibility?
Since it stopped people saying inanities.

I have never used the term except to condemn it's use, how about you meet some black people before you make a generalisation!
O.k maybe I buggered that up a bit, I just meant that if rappers can use it without it being offensive then why cant other people?

I don't have to act any way, I am what I am . As for what is acting white I don't have an answer

O.k maybe I buggered that up a bit, I just meant that if rappers can use it without it being offensive then why cant other people?
I find rappers using it offence, try again.

Oh, come the fuck on! Seriously, what happened to political correctness? Where is that voice in your head that says "Dude, maybe you shouldn't say the n-word"?

Maybe I should maybe i shouldn't. I don't just use it to describe a black person. There are white and black N-WORDS

I find rappers using it offence, try again.

then is it just rappers who find it inoffensive? lol

Since it stopped people saying inanities.

Political Correctness has only stopped people from stating what they really think and feel about things

Political Correctness has only stopped people from stating what they really think and feel about things
Simply thinking something, doesn't give you a right to say it. I might think you are fat and unattractive, I do not have a right to it.

then is it just rappers who find it inoffensive? lol
No, the Klu Klux Klan loves to use it.

Maybe I should maybe i shouldn't. I don't just use it to describe a black person. There are white and black N-WORDS
I like this argument, that one where any slur is on par with this word and we all are sidetracked from the central issue for long enough to hopefully contradict ourselves defending jocular uses of other insults. This is not going to happen, I find that word offence and won't have it used near me

No, I'm educated, as opposed to you, who is ignorant. Hopefully you'll understand the difference one day.
FLAMEWAR

FLAMEWAR
Oh please. That's barely an insult in General. Stick around--you'll get your nut hairs singed soon enough.

Since it stopped people saying inanities.

Oh, you mean actually speaking in sincerity. Damn, I knew there was something I lovd about modern society.....

No, the Klu Klux Klan loves to use it.

Oh, lets evoke an image to win our argument. You know, you could always use the holocaust if you're really desperate.

I know that whites are also into it...notice when I talked about 'wiggers' in another post.

It is black culture...its just that it also also influenced outsid ethe black community.

It's hilarious that you are trying to say everything to not come off as a racist, yet insist on using the word wigger. You truly are as ignorant as they see you.:gundge:

It's hilarious that you are trying to say everything to not come off as a racist, yet insist on using the word wigger. You truly are as ignorant as they see you.:gundge:

And what, precisely, is wrong with Wigger?

How come most black people crave equality and yet they wont allow white people to use a term they use daily?

White people abused the privilege.

And what, precisely, is wrong with Wigger?

Please tell me you aren't serious.:headbang:

Please tell me you aren't serious.:headbang:

Nope. I rather thought it was entirely acceptable to deplore white people in any terms.

White people abused the privilege.

Oh yes. The privelige of using a word. How very 1984 of you.

Oh yes. The privelige of using a word. How very 1984 of you.

Yes, the privilege of using a word. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the way black people were treated in the United States up until the late 1960s. (We're not talking ancient history here)

Perhaps you are unaware of how white people continue to treat black people in this country today.

Perhaps you are unaware of how we will go absolute ape shit with sending 120,000 soldiers and spending billions of dollars to fight a horribly unpopular war over the gassing of some kurds, but our primarily white male government ignores the slaughter of millions in Darfur.

Yes .... white people abused the privilege.

Yes, the privilege of using a word. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the way black people were treated in the United States up until the late 1960s. (We're not talking ancient history here)

Perhaps you are unaware of how white people continue to treat black people in this country today.

Perhaps you are unaware of how we will go absolute ape shit with sending 120,000 soldiers and spending billions of dollars to fight a horribly unpopular war over the gassing of some kurds, but our primarily white male government ignores the slaughter of millions in Darfur.

Yes .... white people abused the privilege.

Its a word. One does not possess the privelige to use a word. Perhaps we should strike it from the dictionary?

The rap industry is only black in the majority because you segregated them into poverty. The end.

Owned

Yes, the privilege of using a word. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the way black people were treated in the United States up until the late 1960s. (We're not talking ancient history here)

Perhaps you are unaware of how white people continue to treat black people in this country today.

Perhaps you are unaware of how we will go absolute ape shit with sending 120,000 soldiers and spending billions of dollars to fight a horribly unpopular war over the gassing of some kurds, but our primarily white male government ignores the slaughter of millions in Darfur.

Yes .... white people abused the privilege.

Perhaps you are unaware of how black people continue to treat white people in this country roday?

Perhaps, but I think more likely you are aware you are just to left wing to admit it.

The rap industry is only black in the majority because you segregated them into poverty. The end.

Owned

Oh, those very impoverished superstar rappers?

And since when as the term "owned" been relevant in a discussion?

Its a word. One does not possess the privelige to use a word. Perhaps we should strike it from the dictionary?

You'd still abuse it.

One does have the privilege to use a word. Prime example, the word "fire". By law, you do not have the privilege of using that word in a crowded theater.

But, hey ... it's "just a word", right?

Perhaps you are unaware of how black people continue to treat white people in this country roday?

Perhaps, but I think more likely you are aware you are just to left wing to admit it.

You're lucky he isn't just calling you a racist right off the bat. Here in the US, if you criticize anything that blacks do, you're a racist, even if you're trying to help. Even if you're black, they'll call you a racist. Look at what happenned when Bill Cosby stood up and asked the question.

Point of fact - it's forbidden to criticize anything blacks do or say in the US. You are automatically transported into the "racist" category if you do.

Oh, those very impoverished superstar rappers?

And since when as the term "owned" been relevant in a discussion?

I don't think you read properly, I said: The end. That means I win.

Anyway, those people came from gangland but made it into rich superstars.

Perhaps you are unaware of how black people continue to treat white people in this country roday?

Oh, I'm sorry ... I must have missed the part where Black people forced us into separate bathrooms and public facilities. I forget ... when was it that White people were forced to sit at the back of the bus? I also forgot when Black people owned us as property and beat us if we didn't scrub the toilet right.

I must have missed all of that in my "left wing" education.

The rap industry is only black in the majority because you segregated them into poverty. The end.

Owned
I guess that explains all the chavs...

You're lucky he isn't just calling you a racist right off the bat. Here in the US, if you criticize anything that blacks do, you're a racist, even if you're trying to help. Even if you're black, they'll call you a racist. Look at what happenned when Bill Cosby stood up and asked the question.

Point of fact - it's forbidden to criticize anything blacks do or say in the US. You are automatically transported into the "racist" category if you do.

Exactly. It's like every policy in this country is geared towards making every non-black pay for the sins of people who lived 200 years ago. Enough is enough. That's why I really admire Bill Cosby for his constructive criticism and, more recently, Morgan Freeman. He finally had the guts to say that the only way to really put an end to racial discrimination is to STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. In other words, no black history month, no black pride, no white pride...nothing. Just shut up and be an American.

Kudos Mr. Freeman.

Point of fact - it's forbidden to criticize anything blacks do or say in the US. You are automatically transported into the "racist" category if you do.

Not just in the US mate, it's the same here in the UK as well, i often use the term "black people cant be racist" lol

I guess that explains all the chavs...

Well i was specifically talking about the USA then but yes, thats another good point. In england it's mainly the chavs that adopt the hip hop culture.

You'd still abuse it.

One does have the privilege to use a word. Prime example, the word "fire". By law, you do not have the privilege of using that word in a crowded theater.

But, hey ... it's "just a word", right?

All words are simply that. Our interpretation of them is engendered by cultural and social imperatives.

If ethnic minorities were less self-absorbed, the issue would be moot.

In other words, no black history month, no black pride, no white pride...nothing. Just shut up and be an American.


The great American homogeny, eh?

Newsflash: History has proven that only works until white women want black boyfriends. Then it's right back to "separate but equal" policies and Jim Crow laws.

Be Black. Be White. Be whatever the fuck crazy mutt mixx you happen to be and be damn proud of it. Stamp your feet and light a match for "your people".

Just don't hurt others in the process.

Not just in the US mate, it's the same here in the UK as well, i often use the term "black people cant be racist" lol

Well duh! Did you hear about the women who was called a honky in staines, and responded with the term niggers, and was arrested? Well done Labour.

Exactly. It's like every policy in this country is geared towards making every non-black pay for the sins of people who lived 200 years ago. Enough is enough. That's why I really admire Bill Cosby for his constructive criticism and, more recently, Morgan Freeman. He finally had the guts to say that the only way to really put an end to racial discrimination is to STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. In other words, no black history month, no black pride, no white pride...nothing. Just shut up and be an American.

Kudos Mr. Freeman.
Turtle power! Turtle power! Turtle power!

If ethnic minorities were less self-absorbed, the issue would be moot.

If White people weren't so terrified of actually being civil, the issue would be moot.

I don't think you read properly, I said: The end. That means I win.

Anyway, those people came from gangland but made it into rich superstars.

Thus, presumably, all black artists are from the "ghetto"?

Thus, presumably, all black artists are from the "ghetto"?
All the gangster rappers, really.

All the gangster rappers, really.
Apparently, you have to have read "street cred".

Well duh! Did you hear about the women who was called a honky in staines, and responded with the term niggers, and was arrested? Well done Labour.

our local football team was insulted using racist comments by a mainly black team and when we responded with non-racist comments we still got banned because we were "being racist". I doubt that lib-dem or the conservatives could handle the situation any better mind lol.

Newsflash: History has proven that only works until white women want black boyfriends. Then it's right back to "separate but equal" policies and Jim Crow laws.

Newsflash: Since when do interracial couples lead to Jim Crow laws? I don't follow. If anything, they help the situation.

Be Black. Be White. Be whatever the fuck crazy mutt mixx you happen to be and be damn proud of it. Stamp your feet and light a match for "your people".

Just don't hurt others in the process.

Now, this would be the ideal. In my group of friends we're from all different ethnic groups and we make fun of each other to no end using the most vulgar racial slurs. But we happen to know each other enough to understand each other.

Not everyone can be so understanding, though. You can do a whole lotta 'indirect' hurt by flaunting pride in your race. Some others might be offended by it, whether that's merited or not. The fact is it exacerbates the situation and leads to more 'us vs. them' thinking.

If White people weren't so terrified of actually being civil, the issue would be moot.

I don't think its that. You would be surprised as to how few whites would use the term, and it is dangerous to legislate solely against the extremities of society.

Another thing:

90% of the hip hop industry maybe black. But probably around 40% of the "black culture" is hip hop.

I don't think its that. You would be surprised as to how few whites would use the term, and it is dangerous to legislate solely against the extremities of society.

Hey ... if you can make sweeping generalisations about "hypersensitive ethnic minorities", then why can't I about White people being scared of PC?

Hey ... if you can make sweeping generalisations about "hypersensitive ethnic minorities", then why can't I about White people being scared of PC?

They are hypersensitive. Just look at Rotovia.

lol this thread has gone from "Is rap music indecent?" to "your wrong! No! you are!"
I have to say that the large majority of rappers are black (and im not saying that all black people act in this way) and personally i think their behaviour is appalling. but then again most "celebs" arent exactly good role models, regardless of thier race or background.

Rap is the way it is because white kids wanted to piss their parents off. Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath didn't cut it anymore, and Marylin Manson was sorta weird, but black people sure did the trick! Man, those illiterate rich drug-pushin, wife-hittin thugs were every WASP's nightmare. That started getting old too, so popular taste drifted to the more and more extremely offensive/scary black people.

It's quite simple, really.

lol this thread has gone from "Is rap music indecent?" to "your wrong! No! you are!"
I have to say that the large majority of rappers are black (and im not saying that all black people act in this way) and personally i think their behaviour is appalling. but then again most "celebs" arent exactly good role models, regardless of thier race or background.

That still doesn't make it a "black culture".

They are hypersensitive. Just look at Rotovia.

Rotovia represents all ehtnic minorities?

I happen to be a Jew and a Caddo (that's a Native American tribe) ... would you call me hypersensitive?

I haven't even called you a racist.

Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath.

Two of the greatest bands that have ever existed! :headbang: lol

That still doesn't make it a "black culture".

I never said it did lol

I never said it did lol

But others are.

But others are.
well i suppose thats thier opinion, I bet there are even black people who agree with them.

Rotovia represents all ehtnic minorities?

I happen to be a Jew and a Caddo (that's a Native American tribe) ... would you call me hypersensitive?

I haven't even called you a racist.

No. However, the minorities I have met; black, Indian and Oriental, are all a tad touchy.

No. However, the minorities I have met; black, Indian and Oriental, are all a tad touchy.

How could that possibly be for any other reason then coincedence. There is no genetics in minorities that cause them to be "touchy".

Two of the greatest bands that have ever existed! :headbang: lol

Oh, fo shizzle. But you have to admit that they scared the crap out of a lot of parents, which may hav einfluenced their rise to fame and fortune...

No. However, the minorities I have met; black, Indian and Oriental, are all a tad touchy.

Well that's an emotion response based on personal experience, rather than rational thinking. At least you can admit that much, can you not?

We all have our emotional triggers. It's an unavoidable aspect of the human condition. Rotovia has his, you have yours. I even have mine (but I hide them very, very well ... not giving you people the opportunity :p ).

Step back a little bit from the emotion and you'll understand not only your side of this argument, but Rotovia's as well. Makes life a lot easier and is why I will not automatically dismiss you as a racist.

Oh, fo shizzle.

*tee hee*

which may hav einfluenced their rise to fame and fortune...

i think Ozzy was the main reason for sabbaths success, good job he's English we dont have that many icons around these days.

That still doesn't make it a "black culture".

I agree. It's definitely not "black culture", it certainly isn't "hip hop culture” or "rap culture", and it isn’t even “gangsta rap culture.” It's something I like to call "neo-gangsta rap culture", and it's one of the most pathetic genres of music and culture that's ever come into existence.

It's not just the lyrics that bother me, which have degenerated into simply a mishmash of slurs that lacks that wit and eloquence of old gangsta rap, it's also the fact that it's become a form of pop music, with repetitive lyrics, vapid figureheads, and an uncultured following.

You know....I think rap is known world wide, for better or for worse, for its content..lyrics and rappers. Now my question is, does anyone think its a problem that blacks glorify poverty, killing, drug dealing, no go spots for Whites, crime, basically lowering the status of women to bitches, hoes, and sluts, and an all around lack of respect for goverment/ law and authority?

Now, personally, I like rap, but I think most rappers are idiots...I just like listening to their music. But I know thats not always the case. Many young blacks and whites (known as wiggers) think of these people as their idols and look up to them, for whatever reason, ie they think their cool, they are the cloest to a real father figure...whatever.

Anyway, while most rap flaunts the things I'm talking about, I have a video which does it without breaking stride. Hustlin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az1o6YrnBb4&search=rick%20ross%20hustlin)

First it starts off in Miami Beach...then strays east into areas notorious to Whites in South Florida like my self...areas such as Liberity City, Carol City, Overtown. These areas are...well, some of the shittiest areas I can think of, comparable to Watts, Compton and such...just other black 'ghettos'.

Anyway, please, state your opinion...dicuss, vote...and in my thread, so long as you dont flame, you have complete freedom of speech, so say what you like...because without open discussion, we have nothing.

*for those not familiar with black slang, hustling means selling/moving/pushing drugs*


Oddly enough the majority of "rap" outside the US tends to be socially concious, left wing etc. But crime, getting rich and useless displays of wealth are what white people in America like to buy, it appears.

I'm probaly too late to join in on this, and I've barely read anything on here, but I'll say my opinion anyway. I hate most black people. Not all. Just those rap loving, gangsta wannabe kind. I know that not all blacks are like that, and that not all people in that group are bad. But I just can't stand them no matter how hard I try, and believe me I have tried.

They always try to make themselves out too look so damn hard, and they always screw it up. All they do is give people a nasty look, make dumb poses, and keep doing that stupid crooked smile. Now I'm no ghetto badass, but damn don't they have something better too do then be posers?

And then theres all that portrayal of women, all the bitch, ho pimpin' shit. I really wouldn't care if they didnt say ho every ten god damn seconds. I listen to people in my high school it's always the same, bitches this, ho's that. She my bitch, smack that bitch up. She a ho. And then the women seem to just love it all since they don't do shit about it. Hell they even call themselves bitches and ho's.

Then there's the all time question, why is it that if a white guy says anything negative to a black guy, is instantly a racist? Why? Why when black people spend about half their life reapeting the word ******, they are still not racist. But whites call a black guy anything bad their racist. It makes no sense. Or if a white guy says ****** in any way even if there isn't a black guy in twenty miles he's suddenly racist. WHy is it that any black can do anything they want, but if someone arrest them for any crime they become racist. Is what I'm saying here about hating certain groups of blacks making me racist?

I guess that about sums up what I wanted to say. Like I said, I'm not some low life redneck bigot that hates black people of any kind. It's just this certain group that I hate. They ruin everything they touch for everyone, even other black people. Does this post make any sense at this point or am I just rambling to myself?

I'm probaly too late to join in on this, and I've barely read anything on here, but I'll say my opinion anyway. I hate most black people. Not all. Just those rap loving, gangsta wannabe kind. I know that not all blacks are like that, and that not all people in that group are bad. But I just can't stand them no matter how hard I try, and believe me I have tried.

They always try to make themselves out too look so damn hard, and they always screw it up. All they do is give people a nasty look, make dumb poses, and keep doing that stupid crooked smile. Now I'm no ghetto badass, but damn don't they have something better too do then be posers?

And then theres all that portrayal of women, all the bitch, ho pimpin' shit. I really wouldn't care if they didnt say ho every ten god damn seconds. I listen to people in my high school it's always the same, bitches this, ho's that. She my bitch, smack that bitch up. She a ho. And then the women seem to just love it all since they don't do shit about it. Hell they even call themselves bitches and ho's.

Then there's the all time question, why is it that if a white guy says anything negative to a black guy, is instantly a racist? Why? Why when black people spend about half their life reapeting the word ******, they are still not racist. But whites call a black guy anything bad their racist. It makes no sense. Or if a white guy says ****** in any way even if there isn't a black guy in twenty miles he's suddenly racist. WHy is it that any black can do anything they want, but if someone arrest them for any crime they become racist. Is what I'm saying here about hating certain groups of blacks making me racist?

I guess that about sums up what I wanted to say. Like I said, I'm not some low life redneck bigot that hates black people of any kind. It's just this certain group that I hate. They ruin everything they touch for everyone, even other black people. Does this post make any sense at this point or am I just rambling to myself?


Makes plenty of sense to me.

You're lucky he isn't just calling you a racist right off the bat. Here in the US, if you criticize anything that blacks do, you're a racist, even if you're trying to help. Even if you're black, they'll call you a racist. Look at what happenned when Bill Cosby stood up and asked the question.

Point of fact - it's forbidden to criticize anything blacks do or say in the US. You are automatically transported into the "racist" category if you do.

I 100% agree with you. Its like its become a taboo to point out ANY flaws if they fall into the catagoriy of the gay, the black, the muslim. Its getting real old real fast. :rolleyes:

Oh, I'm sorry ... I must have missed the part where Black people forced us into separate bathrooms and public facilities. I forget ... when was it that White people were forced to sit at the back of the bus? I also forgot when Black people owned us as property and beat us if we didn't scrub the toilet right.

I must have missed all of that in my "left wing" education.

Sigh....notice my today (even though it was mispelled)....I wasnt talking about history, but rather the current situation...but way to bend the discussion.:rolleyes:

The great American homogeny, eh?

Newsflash: History has proven that only works until white women want black boyfriends. Then it's right back to "separate but equal" policies and Jim Crow laws.

Be Black. Be White. Be whatever the fuck crazy mutt mixx you happen to be and be damn proud of it. Stamp your feet and light a match for "your people".

Just don't hurt others in the process.

But what if your White? Are you allowed to be proud of it?

Rotovia represents all ehtnic minorities?

I happen to be a Jew and a Caddo (that's a Native American tribe) ... would you call me hypersensitive?

I haven't even called you a racist.

*pants* Your. Not. Jewish. Your. Muslim. *dies*

Sigh....notice my today (even though it was mispelled)....I wasnt talking about history, but rather the current situation...but way to bend the discussion.:rolleyes:

Someone rapes your mother 20 years ago. Should you just "get over" it?

We're talking a mere 20 years ago.

*pants* Your. Not. Jewish. Your. Muslim. *dies*
*pants* you'll find out what Synics knows if you keep asking yourself about Keru *wheeze*

*pants* Your. Not. Jewish. Your. Muslim. *dies*

I'm not Muslim.

Do try to keep up.

My mother is Jewish, I was raised Jewish. I am Jewish.

Someone rapes your mother 20 years ago. Should you just "get over" it?

We're talking a mere 20 years ago.
By that logic, we have quite a ways to go before we are "over" 9-11. Are you really using that logic?

*pants* you'll find out what Synics knows if you keep asking yourself about Keru *wheeze*

Synics knows nothing. Go ahead, TG me again what you think you know.

By that logic, we have quite a ways to go before we are "over" 9-11. Are you really using that logic?

Individually? That's different.

As an American collective, I don't think we'll be over 9/11 for quite some time.

I'm not Muslim.

Wait...when did that happen?

Wait...when did that happen?
I'll TG you...

Wait...when did that happen?

A while back. Went apostate. Thread about it around somewhere.

I'll TG you...

But not me ...

See ... you won't TG me what you think you know because you know you got fuck all. Everything you have, I gave you.

If you know anything, call me. Right now. I've got my phone right here.

Not into it much... I did like "makeshift patriot" though.

I'll TG you...
Don't bother, thanks.

I'm not Muslim.

Do try to keep up.

My mother is Jewish, I was raised Jewish. I am Jewish.

You were Jewish until you converted to Islam.

Now, if you have dropped Islam and converted back to Judaism...then I suppose you'd be Jewish again, but I dont know if you've done that considering I'm not your stalker.

This thread is racist.


I had assumed you wern't so ignorant as to not be able to properly classify rap. I had assumed you wern't a racist prick.

I was likewise wrong.

LOL. Racism accusations grow on trees afterall? They are so abundant....

You know....I think rap is known world wide, for better or for worse, for its content..lyrics and rappers. Now my question is, does anyone think its a problem that blacks glorify poverty, killing, drug dealing, no go spots for Whites, crime, basically lowering the status of women to bitches, hoes, and sluts, and an all around lack of respect for goverment/ law and authority?

Now, personally, I like rap, but I think most rappers are idiots...I just like listening to their music. But I know thats not always the case. Many young blacks and whites (known as wiggers) think of these people as their idols and look up to them, for whatever reason, ie they think their cool, they are the cloest to a real father figure...whatever.

Anyway, while most rap flaunts the things I'm talking about, I have a video which does it without breaking stride. Hustlin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az1o6YrnBb4&search=rick%20ross%20hustlin)

First it starts off in Miami Beach...then strays east into areas notorious to Whites in South Florida like my self...areas such as Liberity City, Carol City, Overtown. These areas are...well, some of the shittiest areas I can think of, comparable to Watts, Compton and such...just other black 'ghettos'.

Anyway, please, state your opinion...dicuss, vote...and in my thread, so long as you dont flame, you have complete freedom of speech, so say what you like...because without open discussion, we have nothing.

*for those not familiar with black slang, hustling means selling/moving/pushing drugs*

The whole "black" culture, from their rap, to their clothing, to their talk, to their attitude towards women and homosexuals (as far as I know from movies, series, music, etc...) is very repulsive to me.
But there are always exceptions. I loved the movie "white chicks"....

You were Jewish until you converted to Islam.

Now, if you have dropped Islam and converted back to Judaism...then I suppose you'd be Jewish again, but I dont know if you've done that considering I'm not your stalker.
There are two types of Jew. Those that are Jewish by religion, and those that are Jewish by ethnicity, but not necessarily by religion. There are many atheist Jews, and many Jews that have simply converted to Judaism.

The whole "black" culture, from their rap, to their clothing, to their talk, to their attitude towards women and homosexuals (as far as I know from movies, series, music, etc...) is very repulsive to me.
But there are always exceptions. I loved the movie "white chicks"....

Its sorta something you have to see in person to beleive...I dont beleive you guys have too much of it in Norway.

You can stop being ignorant and racist.

Rap is not black. Hip hop is not inherently rap. You are talking about the current "hip hop culture." Get your shit straight.

The Beastie Boys were white and they are old school. Run-DMC didn't do this kind of shit and they were the biggest name in rap.

You know, there is this thing, usually squarish but sometimes rectengular, called television. Try to open it. You'll see that most hip hop/rap/whatever are dominated by blacks....

There are two types of Jew.

Ashkenazi or Sephardic?
Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform?

More types of Jew than two. There are even atheist Jews.

There are two types of Jew. Those that are Jewish by religion, and those that are Jewish by ethnicity, but not necessarily by religion. There are many atheist Jews, and many Jews that have simply converted to Judaism.

I dont beleive that, at all...nor do the vast majority of the Jews I know. My dad even attends Chabad and he told me when I asked him, that if you convert to Islam, or you dont beleive in God, you are no longer Jewish.

Atheist Jews are not Jews...Christians that convert to Judaism, however, are Jews.

Beleving that Jewishness can be passed on through heritage, is something that many Jews like to say, because it brings Jews closer together, and something that many Jew haters like to say, because it groups Jews together.

Ashkenazi or Sephardic?
Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform?

More types of Jew than two. There are even atheist Jews.You'll notice I listed those ;D

By two types, I meant :Jewish by religion, Jewish by ethnicity
Of course there are blends of the two...and subtypes, such as you've pointed out, but buddy there earlier stated that Jews are not a people, they are just members of a religion.

If you define racism as ascribing certain cultural behavior to a particular ethnic group based on empirical observation...yes...it is.

So saying whites likes to tan and when they do, they apply sun cream is racist? ROFL...:rolleyes:

Ashkenazi or Sephardic?
Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform?

More types of Jew than two. There are even atheist Jews.

I dont beleive that atheist Jews are Jews. Nor does my family or most of the Jews we know.

See? He's denying it. School him, DK! School him!

I dont beleive that, at all...nor do the vast majority of the Jews I know. My dad even attends Chabad and he told me when I asked him, that if you convert to Islam, or you dont beleive in God, you are no longer Jewish.

The Conservative Rabbi who did my conversion said that once you're a Jew, you're Jewish no matter what you swear later. I became a Pentacostal Christian later, but I still feel Jewish.

I think he's right. I know plenty of Jews who do Passover, etc., go to Friday night prayers, and DON'T believe in God. Even send their kids to Jewish private schools, and make them study their siddur.

You'll notice I listed those ;D

By two types, I meant :Jewish by religion, Jewish by ethnicity
Of course there are blends of the two...and subtypes, such as you've pointed out, but buddy there earlier stated that Jews are not a people, they are just members of a religion.

Jews are Americans, Germans, Canadians...not a international people.

We are simply followers of the religion.

See? He's denying it. School him, DK! School him!
*barks loudly*

You know, there is this thing, usually squarish but sometimes rectengular, called television. Try to open it. You'll see that most hip hop/rap/whatever are dominated by blacks....
Yeah, and take a look at who buys the CDs....the market is dominated by whites...

*barks loudly*
Ha! That was unexpected!

The Conservative Rabbi who did my conversion said that once you're a Jew, you're Jewish no matter what you swear later. I became a Pentacostal Christian later, but I still feel Jewish.

I think he's right. I know plenty of Jews who do Passover, etc., go to Friday night prayers, and DON'T believe in God. Even send their kids to Jewish private schools, and make them study their siddur.

Like I said, prominent Jews say that because it keeps Jews together. Jews are rapidly disapearing my intermarriage and losing of the faith. By saying, you cant escape your Jewishness it sorta connects you to people you arnt really connected to, which strenghtens the Jewish community.

Like I said, prominent Jews say that because it keeps Jews together. Jews are rapidly disapearing my intermarriage and losing of the faith. By saying, you cant escape your Jewishness it sorta connects you to people you arnt really connected to, which strenghtens the Jewish community.
So you have two opposing views, and no real way to say who is right. So if someone says they are Jewish, and are not religiously so, can you tell them they are wrong? No.