NationStates Jolt Archive

YOUR government per your quote teaches that there are 7 continets.
My quote says nothing of the sort. It says that most Western countries, typically english speaking ones teach that there are seven continents. See the "most"? That means not all. Besides, wikipedia can be wrong and this is a summary so it's not like it's the definitive authority on how many continents there are.

But that is entirely besides the point. The point being that there is not consensus on how many continents there are so you can't determine that "American" is not valid for those who reside there.


Your petty narciscism refuses to let you see the forest for the trees. It not about what YOU want it's about what the other person wants! If a person objects to being called something you don't call them that. How were raised?Did you call other children rude names a child? Because dispite you protests to the contrary most Americans prefer to be called Americans not what you or others arbitrarily use.

And I object to being called anything but "your holiness, the epitome of all that is good". Do you do it? No? Why?

You object to a term. We explain the term and show there is not racial slur attached to it. Why should we not use it? It's not like you're using français to speak of the inhabitants of France.

Why should we have to change our ways while you don't? Why the double-standard?


Perhaps an anology:

Me: From now on I'll use the term Smarmy Candain Bastards because it's more accurate.
You: Please don't I find it rude and offensive beside not very accurate.
Me:Nonsese it's much nore accurate and it's been around for years according to some guy we can't possibly verify.
You:Look it's offense the other 99.99999999% of the world uses the term "Canadian" and that is what you should do to out of simple respect.
Me: Typical Smarmy Canadian Bastard double talk I'll ignore that too.

DO YOU GET IT NOW?????:headbang:
Wrong analogy. For one, the term Smarmy... is not more accurate. For two, the term Canadian does not refer to anything else than the citizens of Canada, whereas American refer to two different sets of people. Three, Smarmy Canadian Bastard IS offensive. The Smarmy and Bastard part is offensive, not the Canadian part. The term USian is the same. It's not the USian term who's offensive, but the qualifiers that people use with it.

DO YOU GET IT NOW????? :cool:

ppl who made up that name are just pissed cuz at one point in time USA kicked the shit out of thier country and the only thing they can do in return is name call! BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR SUPERIOR AMERICAN OVERLORDS BITCH! DO IT! KNEEL! WE ARE YOUR GODS!

(and if you dont belive me walk or drive about 5 miles and stare in awe at the mcdonalds or wal-mart that owns your ass.):eek:
Last time our coutry went to war, we burned the white house down...

Last time our coutry went to war, we burned the white house down...

Canada burned it?

Funny, as all my history books say it was British troops that torched the ugly assed building.

Canada burned it?
Yup. I know the US is taught that British troops burned it, but it was Canadian Irregulars who burned it (albeit under a British commander). Besides, the US invaded and were pushed back. It stands in the history books as a draw but we were not the ones with expansionists views.

Yup. I know the US is taught that British troops burned it, but it was Canadian Irregulars who burned it (albeit under a British commander). Besides, the US invaded and were pushed back. It stands in the history books as a draw but we were not the ones with expansionists views.

Canada: 1 USA: Nil

Imagine Canada and the USA going to war over the Beaufort Sea, you never know, the White House could burn again! :eek:.

It could happen!

Canada: 1 USA: Nil

Imagine Canada and the USA going to war over the Beaufort Sea, you never know, the White House could burn again! :eek:.

It could happen!
It seems to be almost a rule that if you go to war against Canada you'll get your capital burned down. In WW2 the Germans and Japansese discovered that. admittedly it might not always be the Canadians doing the burning, but it seems a trend.

I hope Laura Secord burns in Hell!!!!


Yup. I know the US is taught that British troops burned it, but it was Canadian Irregulars who burned it (albeit under a British commander). Besides, the US invaded and were pushed back. It stands in the history books as a draw but we were not the ones with expansionists views.

No Smarmy is accurate as you are igoring all politeness and decorum. You have been politely asked to not do something somebody finds offensive do you blow you ciragette smoke in other peoples faces and spit on there floors too.
If you meet somebody named Thomas but they prefer Tom do you call them Thomas anyway....and if you do do you realise you are then being an annoying ass.

The term you wish to use for Americans out of their presence is your business but out of respect for you listeners you should differ.

Or are you the kind of person who farts at the dinner table too?:rolleyes:



My quote says nothing of the sort. It says that most Western countries, typically english speaking ones teach that there are seven continents. See the "most"? That means not all. Besides, wikipedia can be wrong and this is a summary so it's not like it's the definitive authority on how many continents there are.

But that is entirely besides the point. The point being that there is not consensus on how many continents there are so you can't determine that "American" is not valid for those who reside there.




And I object to being called anything but "your holiness, the epitome of all that is good". Do you do it? No? Why?

You object to a term. We explain the term and show there is not racial slur attached to it. Why should we not use it? It's not like you're using français to speak of the inhabitants of France.

Why should we have to change our ways while you don't? Why the double-standard?



Wrong analogy. For one, the term Smarmy... is not more accurate. For two, the term Canadian does not refer to anything else than the citizens of Canada, whereas American refer to two different sets of people. Three, Smarmy Canadian Bastard IS offensive. The Smarmy and Bastard part is offensive, not the Canadian part. The term USian is the same. It's not the USian term who's offensive, but the qualifiers that people use with it.

DO YOU GET IT NOW????? :cool:

The Canadians played almost no role in the defeat of Japan. It seems to be almost a rule that if you go to war against Canada you'll get your capital burned down. In WW2 the Germans and Japansese discovered that. admittedly it might not always be the Canadians doing the burning, but it seems a trend.

Yup. I know the US is taught that British troops burned it, but it was Canadian Irregulars who burned it (albeit under a British commander). Besides, the US invaded and were pushed back. It stands in the history books as a draw but we were not the ones with expansionists views.
I heard the Essex Regiment was involved. Which raises the interesting possibility for British readers that it was less an act of deliberate war, and more a slightly over-exuberant, though not atypical, night out for the boys.

The Canadians played almost no role in the defeat of Japan.
Read what I wrote.

The term you wish to use for Americans out of their presence is your business but out of respect for you listeners you should differ.

If a citizen of the USA wishes people to refer to him as an American that is indeed his right, and I would have no problem whatsoever with it.

However, if that same citizen tells a Canadian, Mexican, Brasilian etc. etc. that they are not allowed to call themselves American (or Americanos etc) he is being silly and impolite IMO.

No Smarmy is accurate as you are igoring all politeness and decorum. You have been politely asked to not do something somebody finds offensive do you blow you ciragette smoke in other peoples faces and spit on there floors too.
If you meet somebody named Thomas but they prefer Tom do you call them Thomas anyway....and if you do do you realise you are then being an annoying ass.

The term you wish to use for Americans out of their presence is your business but out of respect for you listeners you should differ.

Or are you the kind of person who farts at the dinner table too?:rolleyes:
My first post in this thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11153406&postcount=483

I have agreed to use UnitedStatesian in another thread out of consideration to UnitedStatesians who might be offended by the term USian. So what are you complaining about?

Know your ennemy.

ok I buy that If a citizen of the USA wishes people to refer to him as an American that is indeed his right, and I would have no problem whatsoever with it.

However, if that same citizen tells a Canadian, Mexican, Brasilian etc. etc. that they are not allowed to call themselves American (or Americanos etc) he is being silly and impolite IMO.

HELLO! IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU!!

The right thing is to call people what they wish to be called PERIOD

It's not about what you want to call them.
It's called respect and politness.

My first post in this thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11153406&postcount=483

I have agreed to use UnitedStatesian in another thread out of consideration to UnitedStatesians who might be offended by the term USian. So what are you complaining about?

Know your ennemy.

The right thing is to call people what they wish to be called PERIOD

It's not about what you want to call them.
It's called respect and politness.
Then why don't you call french people français?
Then why don't you call japanese people nihon?
Then why don't you call germans people deutsch?

It's called double standard.

Besides, USian is not pejorative. Only some people see it that way. Ironically, usually the same people who complain about Political Correctness.

If you meet somebody named Thomas but they prefer Tom do you call them Thomas anyway....and if you do do you realise you are then being an annoying ass.
That works if there are two Thomases and you need to differentiate. Except in the case of the Americas there is no plausible alternative adjective to american. So if you want to differentiate between the two you have to modify the adjective for the USA. So what one-word adjective do you want to be called?

I ask what person prefers then reguardless of what I normally use if the person has a prefence I use what they prefer. I doesn't matter if you think the work is not prejoritive...If I the listener thinks it is ..then it is. I'm sure slave owners thought n*gger wasn't bad either.

You simply refuse to behave as a civlized person.


Then why don't you call french people français?
Then why don't you call japanese people nihon?
Then why don't you call germans people deutsch?

It's called double standard.

Besides, USian is not pejorative. Only some people see it that way. Ironically, usually the same people who complain about Political Correctness.

AMERICAN! my freinds my refer to me as a Yank.

That works if there are two Thomases and you need to differentiate. Except in the case of the Americas there is no plausible alternative adjective to american. So if you want to differentiate between the two you have to modify the adjective for the USA. So what one-word adjective do you want to be called?

AMERICAN! my freinds my refer to me as a Yank.
You're being obtuse. Fine. What adjective would you prefer that doesn't clash with the only possible adjective to describe something from the Americas? And bear in mind that southerners find yank offensive.

How about this. People from the USA =Americans. People from the Western Hemisphere= North/South Americans or "Continental Americans"


You're being obtuse. Fine. What adjective would you prefer that doesn't clash with the only possible adjective to describe something from the Americas? And bear in mind that southerners find yank offensive.

Look buddy, I don't mean to offend, but America is not really a country... North America, South America, and ideally central America, 3 different CONTINENTS, not COUNTRIES. You live in the United States of America. There are other states that are down in South America, but are not part of your union. The different states are essentially different nations, but are bound together by the union. There are Oregonians, Californians, Texicans (there are other valid terms, but I find this one particularly 'neat'), and then just a little ways up north you have Canada, which IS a country. A nation is divided into provinces, while a union of nations is what the US of A is. Don't get pissed off at me, these are the facts.

Look buddy, I don't mean to offend, but America is not really a country... North America, South America, and ideally central America, 3 different CONTINENTS, not COUNTRIES. You live in the United States of America. There are other states that are down in South America, but are not part of your union. The different states are essentially different nations, but are bound together by the union. There are Oregonians, Californians, Texicans (there are other valid terms, but I find this one particularly 'neat'), and then just a little ways up north you have Canada, which IS a country. A nation is divided into provinces, while a union of nations is what the US of A is. Don't get pissed off at me, these are the facts.
actually, each State in the United States of America is not a different Nation. A province yes, but not a seperate Nation.

now, is the Canadian Goverment as well as Mexican Government or any other Goverment of any country on any of the American Continents officially complaining that they cannot use the name American?

The different states are essentially different nations, but are bound together by the union.

Actually no they are not. The States can't make treaties, coin money, grant bills of credit, impose duties(with approval from Congress), engage in war, keep troops and weapons of war(without Congress).....

Actually no they are not. The States can't make treaties, coin money, grant bills of credit, impose duties(with approval from Congress), engage in war, keep troops and weapons of war(without Congress).....

If they weren't sovereign states, would they have to be specifically prohibited from doing this? If they were mere provinces, why would something like that be in the Constitution?

Then why don't you call french people français?
Then why don't you call japanese people nihon?
Then why don't you call germans people deutsch?

It's called double standard.

Besides, USian is not pejorative. Only some people see it that way. Ironically, usually the same people who complain about Political Correctness.

Meh...Over here an American is called "Bandaríkjamaður".

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I am from the United States of America, but I prefer USian. It sounds better IMHO.
agreed. USian is much better than American. and as Neo Kervoskia pointed out, there is no such country as America.it is pretty fucking concieted to say American, when there is all of South and Central America to take into account.

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Wow. It seems as though the debate is getting more heated with each passing day. Ok, I can resist it no longer. Simply put, I will call myself an American because I live in the United States of America.

You might call that arrogance, but I call it convenience. I don't want to bother saying "United States of American," because its one hell of a mouthfull and it sounds wrong anyway. "Yewessian" is fine with me too if you think it is more PC or easier to say. I really don't care what you call me unless it happens to be some derogitory adjective.

If we both know what we're talking about, I'll stick with "American" and you can use your "Yewessian" or whatever.

agreed. USian is much better than American. and as Neo Kervoskia pointed out, there is no such country as America.it is pretty fucking concieted to say American, when there is all of South and Central America to take into account.

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How many countries have the name "America" in it?

I find it pretty friggin rude that
A) You can't seem to call people what they want to be called.
B) Seem to know what's best for use because we are too stupid
c) Have a condescending attitude toward the US and Americans
D) Can't seem to grasp terms like North Central or South Americans.


agreed. USian is much better than American. and as Neo Kervoskia pointed out, there is no such country as America.it is pretty fucking concieted to say American, when there is all of South and Central America to take into account.

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I find it pretty friggin rude that
A) You can't seem to call people what they want to be called.
B) Seem to know what's best for use because we are too stupid
c) Have a conissending attitude toward the US ans Americans
4) Can't seem to grasp terms like North Central or South Americans.


...Does that say "A, B, C, 4"?

...Does that say "A, B, C, 4"?
Hey, you do know your ABC :p

I find it pretty friggin rude that
A) You can't seem to call people what they want to be called.
B) Seem to know what's best for use because we are too stupid
c) Have a conissending attitude toward the US ans Americans
4) Can't seem to grasp terms like North Central or South Americans.
Ok I wish to be called Master ...

Ok I wish to be called Master ...

"God" would suffice for me.

not anymore ;)

...Does that say "A, B, C, 4"?

Ah but Mexico too can be a united stater (United Sates of Mexico).

USian, UnitedSatesian, UnitedStatesman have at least the advantage of having been used in the past.

Mexicans want to be called mexicans, not united staters.

Me, although want to be still called american, not being from the USA. Actually, I use the word all the time "I'm an american" or "I'm a latin american", or "I'm an ibero american"

Decide, give me the nationality of your country or call yourself something else than americans.

The continent was named "America" a lot of time before the USA started to exist.

United Staters, Estadounidenses, then.

There is no thing as an USian.

You people are americans, because you live in the North American continent

I am also an american, because I do live in the South American continent.

That makes you both an american and a United Stater.

That makes me both an american and a Venezuelan.

Point made, I retire

That doesn't stop citizens of the United States of America from being recognized as being American. Sure, I live on the same continent as them of the same name (North America) but I don't find it offensive if they call themselves American even though the continent is the same name. That still doesn't change the fact that I still call myself Canadian when I'm identifying myself outside of the country, nor a Mexican for that matter.

Yeah, I call people from the USA americans, no problem with it, they're americans after all, given that they live in the América continent.

Thirty pages later I will reassert the Constitutionally mandated name of the country is "United States" and the Constitutionally mandated term from someone from this country is either "Citizen of the United States" or "United States Citizen." I would far prefer either of these terms over the impossibly clunky acronym-juiced-into-a-word term USian. Of course American works plenty fine because that's what everyone uses except for Fass.

Thirty pages later I will reassert the Constitutionally mandated name of the country is "United States" and the Constitutionally mandated term from someone from this country is either "Citizen of the United States" or "United States Citizen." I would far prefer either of these terms over the impossibly clunky acronym-juiced-into-a-word term USian. Of course American works plenty fine because that's what everyone uses except for Fass.

Not really :P

I use "Estadounidense", (roughly translated to Unitedstater), at least is better than "Musiú" or "Gringo" that are real derogatory terms

East Canuck you are really pissing me off. I've never been called on that before. If a person from France wanted to be referred to as "Francais" (no idea how to make that weird c character), then he or she should have told me so.


In fact I don't think I've ever seen the word "Francais" outside of the "French" language. Now maybe this is a holdover from the United States' British heritage, but I haven't found any people of "Francais," Creole, or "French Canadian" origin claim that they wanted to be called "Francais."


However, you can and will find the vast majority of people from the United States wish to be referred to as "American." Maybe you can find a few cases of Americans wishing to be called "USians" but until you pointed out one I hadn't ever come across one.



And in other news some sounds do not exist in other languages. Almost all languages come up with names for other countries and their people of origin. And I'm fine with that, but the minute you presume to come up with another English word for us is the minute I take exception. You want to start playing the word games, then I have to call you on the same crimes East Canuck. How come you don't refer to various African natives by their tribal names with clicks, aspirated whispers, and whistles?

People are going to invent names for other countries using the language they've got, but the United States doesn't demand that people use their language to refer to the people living there. But if you are going to use English to refer to us, then use what English speakers use. Every person I've met from England referred to people from the US as "American."



Finally: If people of foreign origin want to make "USian" the word in their language for people from the United States, then more power to them. But don't presume to be able to dictate to us how to refer to ourselves.

NT

Man this is still going on.

People let it go. There are far better things that need arguing.

Usian is far better then being called asshole.

Who cares what they say?

Fifty-three pages and counting.......

"After me"
"After me"
"After me"
"After me"
"After me"

It has been repeated...

Lol, USians. There are 3 Americas, get over it.

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There are only two americas. North and South.

This whole Central America crap was just created because prissy USA didn't want to admit they were on the same continent as those 'lowly' latins. which is crap.

There is not central america, Ecuador, Mexico, etc etc, is all in North America. There is plenty of room for everyone :)

(I won't even go into the Eurasian continent) ;)

There are only two americas. North and South.

This whole Central America crap was just created because prissy USA didn't want to admit they were on the same continent as those 'lowly' latins. which is crap.

There is not central america, Ecuador, Mexico, etc etc, is all in North America. There is plenty of room for everyone :)

(I won't even go into the Eurasian continent) ;)

There's a Central America, it just happens to not be a continent, and part of North America.

Fifty-three pages and counting.......

Technically, I only see 40.

There are only two americas. North and South.

This whole Central America crap was just created because prissy USA didn't want to admit they were on the same continent as those 'lowly' latins. which is crap.

There is not central america, Ecuador, Mexico, etc etc, is all in North America. There is plenty of room for everyone :)

(I won't even go into the Eurasian continent) ;)

Ecuador in Central America?

Check an Atlas, pleaaase!

Ecuador in Central America?

Check an Atlas, pleaaase!

Personally, I could see getting something like, Venezuela wrong. But Ecuador? Just say it, it tells you where it is!

East Canuck you are really pissing me off.
I'm sorry to hear that.

However, you can and will find the vast majority of people from the United States wish to be referred to as "American." Maybe you can find a few cases of Americans wishing to be called "USians" but until you pointed out one I hadn't ever come across one.
Read the thread. A few has told so here. Sumamba Buwhan comes to mind.



And in other news some sounds do not exist in other languages. Almost all languages come up with names for other countries and their people of origin. And I'm fine with that, but the minute you presume to come up with another English word for us is the minute I take exception. You want to start playing the word games, then I have to call you on the same crimes East Canuck. How come you don't refer to various African natives by their tribal names with clicks, aspirated whispers, and whistles?
Because I rarely refer to those tribes and because the clicks and whistle doesn't translate well in writing. And as long as we're talking different terms in the same language for the same people, I refer you to Briton, British, English. Three words for basically the same people. So who's to say we can't have two words for the same people in the same language?

People are going to invent names for other countries using the language they've got, but the United States doesn't demand that people use their language to refer to the people living there. But if you are going to use English to refer to us, then use what English speakers use. Every person I've met from England referred to people from the US as "American."
And when the united states will stop to use Russkies instead of Russians, we can talk. In the meantime, why the double standard?



Finally: If people of foreign origin want to make "USian" the word in their language for people from the United States, then more power to them. But don't presume to be able to dictate to us how to refer to ourselves.

NT
And don't presume you can dictate how we're going to refer to you. We're not insisting you use USian, you're the ones insisting we don't use it.

Thirty pages later I will reassert the Constitutionally mandated name of the country is "United States" and the Constitutionally mandated term from someone from this country is either "Citizen of the United States" or "United States Citizen." I would far prefer either of these terms over the impossibly clunky acronym-juiced-into-a-word term USian. Of course American works plenty fine because that's what everyone uses except for Fass.
Technically, the Constitutionally mandated name of the country is "United States of America" and Fass is not alone (Sinuhue, East Canuck, Sumamba Buhwan). But I shall bear in mind your wishes and use US Citizen if you don't mind.

Although I've agreed with other poeple to use UnitedStatesian in another thread. So if you don'T object, I might use this term too. Let me know.

US Citizen is fine.


Technically, the Constitutionally mandated name of the country is "United States of America" and Fass is not alone (Sinuhue, East Canuck, Sumamba Buhwan). But I shall bear in mind your wishes and use US Citizen if you don't mind.

Although I've agreed with other poeple to use UnitedStatesian in another thread. So if you don'T object, I might use this term too. Let me know.

Ecuador in Central America?

Check an Atlas, pleaaase!


lol

oops :eek:

I was trying to say El Salvador and it came out Ecuador :P

*hangs head in post-rant shame* :)