NationStates Jolt Archive

Cricket is meant to end my boredom?

I think you may be a little confused :p

I've just got to know what the odds are of two seperate guys both being so bored that they will take up any position just to argue with somebody - and finding each other. Both of them arguing for positions they don't give a damn about, just for something to do.

Cricket is meant to end my boredom?

I think you may be a little confused :p


Sorry, random button. :p

Warez Standards? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_%28warez%29)

Poor little USians.

It'll be the name I'll use for you. You can bitch in futility, or you can just get over it. I really don't give a patootie.

I've just got to know what the odds are of two seperate guys both being so bored that they will take up any position just to argue with somebody - and finding each other. Both of them arguing for positions they don't give a damn about, just for something to do.

Could be girls too. *husten*

Poor little USians.

It'll be the name I'll use for you. You can bitch in futility, or you can just get over it. I really don't give a patootie.

Why would we want a patootie?

Why would we want a patootie?

Who said I'd be giving it to you? Get over yourself.

Poor little USians.

It'll be the name I'll use for you. You can bitch in futility, or you can just get over it. I really don't give a patootie.

And since names are so unimportant, you can be Fuss. You can bitch in futility, or you can just get over it.

And since names are so unimportant, you can be Fuss. You can bitch in futility, or you can just get over it.

Are you married? :cool:

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_MAPS/0_map_europe_political_2001_enlarged.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/1_MAP/1_map_europe_2001_enlarged.htm&h=1444&w=1120&sz=195&tbnid=xtiI85JxWxaETM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmap%2Beurope&start=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1
http://www.hotels-travel-map.com/Europe.gif
http://www.infoplease.com/atlas/europe.html

And where does Britain appear on these maps?

But of course people would be insulted, and rightly so, if they were told they could not refer to themselves as British, correct? That they could only be UKky, or Irelanders, or Walesians or Englanders, or Scotlandites because hey, that's a form of their name on the map.

To be fair, you wouldn't have to tell that Irish they "can't" call themselves British.

But, again, you miss the point. There aren't two continents whose people could also reasonably and righfully be called "British", so there's no people who could rightfully say they were being ignored, there's no ease-of-understanding reason why British people shouldn't be called British, there's no absolute arrogance about the name, and there's therefore no basis whatsoever for advocating a change.

And you know fine rightly that's the whole argument behind this idiotic USian thing. Yet you continue to ignore it and instead bring up ridiculous analogies that don't even begin to get close to the truth.

Are you being thick on purpose? You're usually reasonably intelligent.

...Do I get a plaque?

If you want to pay for it.

Who said I'd be giving it to you? Get over yourself.

If you wouldn't, why would you tell us you don't? Err...wait...

If you want to pay for it.

Hmm...Alright! I'll take it! :D

Sorry, random button. :p

Warez Standards? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_%28warez%29)

Oh come on, at least try and make it interesting :p

And since names are so unimportant, you can be Fuss.

Oh, noes, you'd "misuse" my online handle! How ever will I manage to sleep tonight?

Oh, and by the by, "Fuss" would be closer to the Swedish pronunciation of "Fass" than the USian one where they pronounce the "a" more like an "ä."

You can bitch in futility, or you can just get over it.

Or I can just not give a patootie from the get go. See how this works? Learn from it.

If you wouldn't, why would you tell us you don't? Err...wait...

There you go.

Oh come on, at least try and make it interesting :p

British Sitcom? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Thy_Neighbour)
Swedish thinktank? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbro)
Expolsive? Everyone loves explosives. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong%27s_mixture)

British Sitcom? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Thy_Neighbour)
Swedish thinktank? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbro)
Expolsive? Everyone loves explosives. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong%27s_mixture)

They'll do I suppose...

To be fair, you wouldn't have to tell that Irish they "can't" call themselves British.

But, again, you miss the point. There aren't two continents whose people could also reasonably and righfully be called "British", so there's no people who could rightfully say they were being ignored, there's no ease-of-understanding reason why British people shouldn't be called British, there's no absolute arrogance about the name, and there's therefore no basis whatsoever for advocating a change.

And you know fine rightly that's the whole argument behind this idiotic USian thing. Yet you continue to ignore it and instead bring up ridiculous analogies that don't even begin to get close to the truth.

Are you being thick on purpose? You're usually reasonably intelligent.

I could ask the same. My point has been, and continues to be, that it is rude to insist on calling someone something other than what they accept as their name.

If it was your wish to be known henceforth as Princess Fluffypants, and you made that preference known, then it would be rude and arrogant for others to refer to you by another name. It only compounds the impoliteness when those who insist on calling you by another name they have decided fits you better (like Rufus) tell you that you are being idiotic, thin-skinned and arrogant to want someone to have the simple respect of referring to you by the name you prefer.

Are you intentionally missing this point?

Oh, and by the by, "Fuss" would be closer to the Swedish pronunciation of "Fass" that the USian one where they pronounce the "a" more like an "ä."

Really? I thought I was weird for always instinctively reading your name as "Fuss".

give a patootie from the get go.
Is patootie even a noun?

They'll do I suppose...

Yay adequacy!

Hmm...A random car? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R8_Road_Car)

Is patootie even a noun?

...It is now?

Really? I thought I was weird for always instinctively reading your name as "Fuss".

You're not weird - you're British, and thus have a knack for pronouncing things as they should be pronounced. :)

I could ask the same. My point has been, and continues to be, that it is rude to insist on calling someone something other than what they accept as their name.

If it was your wish to be known henceforth as Princess Fluffypants, and you made that preference known, then it would be rude and arrogant for others to refer to you by another name. It only compounds the impoliteness when those who insist on calling you by another name they have decided fits you better (like Rufus) tell you that you are being idiotic, thin-skinned and arrogant to want someone to have the simple respect of referring to you by the name you prefer.

Are you intentionally missing this point?

Let's take it back to that Republic of Europe analogy. If I called my citizens Europeans, and others foreigners, aliens, and non-Europeans, would it not be fair for someone to refuse to acknowledge my implied and assumed dominance over the name?

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Not that I actually care either way. Anyway, I might just call myself Princess Fluffypants from now on, because it would be interesting to see how many people would actually call me it...

Yay adequacy!

Hmm...A random car? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R8_Road_Car)

See that is interesting. I like cars. I love cars.

And I didn't know they were making a road version of the R8. That will be seriously cool.

Is patootie even a noun?

Yes, yes it is. A colloquial noun.

You're not weird - you're British, and thus have a knack for pronouncing things as they should be pronounced. :)
You have not heard them trying to pronounce French then.

You have not heard them trying to pronounce French then.

I have. The say "French" just fine.

See that is interesting. I like cars. I love cars.

And I didn't know they were making a road version of the R8. That will be seriously cool.

Woohoo! I noticed the car thing...I just don't know anything about cars. I can tell you how they work, but don't ask me who made the XLS, which I assume exists.

Oh, noes, you'd "misuse" my online handle! How ever will I manage to sleep tonight?

Oh, and by the by, "Fuss" would be closer to the Swedish pronunciation of "Fass" than the USian one where they pronounce the "a" more like an "ä."



Or I can just not give a patootie from the get go. See how this works? Learn from it.

I shall endeavor to learn from your great knowledge and example. All hail Floss.

I shall endeavor to learn from your great knowledge and example. All hail Floss.

Again, I ask, are you married?

I shall endeavor to learn from your great knowledge and example. All hail Floss.

My dentist keeps telling me about Flossing three times a day...So, do I just need to interact with him or something?

I shall endeavor to learn from your great knowledge and example. All hail Floss.
You saved yourself much. Once Flask rules the world, all show bow down to Him. Those who convert now will be saved.

I shall endeavor to learn from your great knowledge and example. All hail Floss.

Why, thank you, Klitsistan! :fluffle:

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Not that I actually care either way. Anyway, I might just call myself Princess Fluffypants from now on, because it would be interesting to see how many people would actually call me it...

Ok, now quit making me laugh when I'm trying to be all serious! :D

There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.

There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian

There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)

There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it

I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian

Period. End of story.

I'm an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian. Or whatever the hell that is. If we were attached to Asia you might have a point, but not so since we aren't.

Bullshit.

What do you think, that by repeating this over and over again it might become true?

Actually, you may be right.

Now, I want you to repeat after me.

I love Satan.
I love Satan.
Satan is Lord.
Satan is Lord.

God-worshipers shall die.
God-worshipers shall die.
God-worshipers shall die.

I shall kill everyone, and then commit ritualistic suicide.
I shall kill everyone, and then commit ritualistic suicide.
I shall kill everyone, and then commit ritualistic suicide.
I shall kill everyone, and then commit ritualistic suicide.
I shall kill everyone, and then commit ritualistic suicide.

Lets test this theory...

...I might just call myself Princess Fluffypants from now on, because it would be interesting to see how many people would actually call me it...

*raises hand*

Why, thank you, Klitsistan! :fluffle:

We should re-name everyone! I've already become Divaverg or something, back off.

Ok, now quit making me laugh when I'm trying to be all serious! :D
:D

We should re-name everyone! I've already become Divaverg or something, back off.

Oh, honey, you ain't no diva. *z-snaps yo' ass*

You're more the nerdish type, so I'd call you "Devoverg." Now, whip it, bitch! Whip it good.

*raises hand*

One for the list...

That can be my official title when we get our country. Princess Fluffypants.

Again, I ask, are you married?

Sorry to disappoint you, Galloism, but my heart belongs to Carterway. :D

Oh, honey, you ain't no diva. *z-snaps your ass*

You're more the nerdish type, so I'd call you "Deevoverg." Now, whip it, bitch! Whip it good.

Deevoverg...I'm going to biuld a robot and call it that. And...umm...I'll check if my blender has a whip setting...

Also, *z-snapped*

Sorry to disappoint you, Galloism, but my heart belongs to Carterway. :D

I challenge Carterway to a duel to the death.

RAM sticks at 20 paces.

I challenge Carterway to a duel to the death.

RAM sticks at 20 paces.

"Polygamy, it cures what ails ya."

Never run out of chances for that...:p

That dog that you call Rin tin tin i call RAAAAACIST

That dog that you call Rin tin tin i call RAAAAACIST

...Ummm...What?

...Ummm...What?

Don't worry, I don't understand what he's saying either.

I challenge Carterway to a duel to the death.

RAM sticks at 20 paces.

*Takes 19 paces, then turns fast and...*

*BLAM!!!*

What? Didn't I mention my RAM sticks were loaded with TNT? :-)

When it comes to fighting for Katganistan's heart, do not expect me to fight fair. :cool:

You're not weird - you're British, and thus have a knack for pronouncing things as they should be pronounced. :)
Oh no, I may be British, but I'm primarily Scottish and therefore tend to pronounce English itself rather oddly. Regardless, it's probably something to do with my unhealthy interest in linguistics.

*Takes 19 paces, then turns fast and...*

*BLAM!!!*

What? Didn't I mention my RAM sticks were loaded with TNT? :-)

When it comes to fighting for Katganistan's heart, do not expect me to fight fair. :cool:

...Well feh. I still stand by my recommendation. So much so that I sigged it, so ha!

*Takes 19 paces, then turns fast and...*

*BLAM!!!*

What? Didn't I mention my RAM sticks were loaded with TNT? :-)

When it comes to fighting for Katganistan's heart, do not expect me to fight fair. :cool:

Cheater :D

One for the list...

That can be my official title when we get our country. Princess Fluffypants.

Hmmm...What's the country to be called?

Oh no, I may be British, but I'm primarily Scottish and therefore tend to pronounce English itself rather oddly.

If it ain't Scottish, it's crap! Scottish people rule.

Regardless, it's probably something to do with my unhealthy interest in linguistics.

*pimp-slaps you over the face*

There is no such thing!

You're an American, insofar as the USA is part of the American continent. Your nationality is USAmerican.


shut up. as AMERICANS, we get to choose what we're called.

i notice you're from scotland. what if we just started calling your "scotters"?

and i am sick and tired of people saying crap like "OMG, you guys are just PART f America *snicker, giggle* i'm so smart"

no. no other country wants the term, and we have it. you morons who try to say "USian" are really just trying to "sitck it" to the US. we are just better than you. deal with it. i don't need you scotters calling me some random name, just because you think someone could be offended.

Find me one person not from this board who lives in Canada, Mexico etc and feels slighted by the term.

shut up. as AMERICANS, we get to choose what we're called.

And we get to choose what we call you.

Cheater :D

LOL - When it comes to winning Katganistan's heart, you better believe it!

And we get to choose what we call you.
ok, you "sweeder"

no, we americans are too patriotic to not feel slighted when someone takes away a title we hold

Hmmm...What's the country to be called?

Something suitably silly and vaguely girly. Would seem about right, given the leader's name...

ok, you "sweeder"

I'd prefer Swedonian as we seemed to have agreed to in the last thread about this subject, but, meh. I really don't care what foreigners call Sweden - you call Sweden "Sweden" for instance, which isn't the name of the country at all, so it's really moot.

no, we americans are too patriotic to not feel slighted when someone takes away a title we hold

Tough titties.

Tough titties.


well i'm not suggesting we nuke you, but it's really a sign of disrespect towards the country that has, most likeley, helped every country from which someone is posting.

i notice you're from scotland. what if we just started calling your "scotters"?


I'd shrug, and laugh as your term is inaccurate. Mine is not.

well i'm not suggesting we nuke you, but it's really a sign of disrespect towards the country that has, most likeley, helped every country from which someone is posting.

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/music002.gif

snip.
"What's that high-pitched whining noise?"
"Oh, just a USian complaining again, dear. Nothing to worry about."

Something suitably silly and vaguely girly. Would seem about right, given the leader's name...

Hmm...Something lavender involved?

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/music002.gif

alrigh. now we nuke you.

alrigh. now we nuke you.

"You and your little [violin] too!"

alrigh. now we nuke you.

I think the EU might have a problem with that, not to mention Russia...

"You and your little [violin] too!"

THERE we go. you know, i bet two americans could beat up each poster's country......

lol

I think the EU might have a problem with that, not to mention Russia...

who cares. we're AMERICA, did you forget with all this "USian" nonsense. we have more nukes that the rest of the world combined, plus, only russia (of that group) has missilles with enough range to hurt us. and we're cool with them.

Hmm...Something lavender involved?
Why not.

Why do people care what people call citizens of other countries?
No one is insulting anyone, and as long as I understand the meaning, I don't care how people choose to say a word.

we have more nukes that the rest of the world combined

Why does that matter?

You only need enough to destroy your target once, anything else is just extravagance. The rest combined have enough to destroy you, so you having more than them is just pointless. If you see what I mean

who cares. we're AMERICA, did you forget with all this "USian" nonsense.

Oh, we know you're from the USA. That's why you have to compensate for your penis size with this talk of nukes...

we have more nukes that the rest of the world combined, plus, only russia (of that group) has missilles with enough range to hurt us. and we're cool with them.

You think the French and British don't have nukes that can reach the US? And Russia would be fine to get nuclear fallout all over itself? Uh-huh. You really are a USian.

Prepare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirka_dirka) to be depressed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTh9ZYS6Flc).

Possibly depressing (man's inhumanity to man and all that), but perhaps surprisingly I didn't actually find that as offensive as I expected.

You really are a USian.
Remember kids: for good dental hygiene and a bright, healthy smile: brush and Floss!

You think the French and British don't have nukes that can reach the US? And Russia would be fine to get nuclear fallout all over itself? Uh-huh. You really are a USian.

actually, they don't.

and we can use a fairly clean hydrogen bomb. russia's already got some "glowing" parts.

Remember kids: for good dental hygiene and a bright, healthy smile: brush and Floss!

Don't forget to go down and have some lip movements with Klitsistan, too. Wouldn't want that flossing to be wasted...

actually, they don't.

and we can use a fairly clean hydrogen bomb. russia's already got some "glowing" parts.

Bring it on then. For some reason, I won't exactly be shaking in my skis.

actually, they don't.

and we can use a fairly clean hydrogen bomb. russia's already got some "glowing" parts.

Actually they do.

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Brit: So, where are you guys from?
Frenchman: Europe.
Chinaman: Asia.
Belgian: Europe.
Ghanaian: Africa.
Zimbabwean: Africa.
Chilean: South America.
Vietnamese: Asia.
Canadian: North America

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Brit: So, where are you guys from?
Frenchman: Europe.
Chinaman: Asia.
Belgian: Europe.
Ghanaian: Africa.
Zimbabwean: Africa.
Chilean: South America.
Vietnamese: Asia.
Canadian: North America

That's funny. In my travels and the people I've met:
Frenchman: France
Chinese: China
German: Berlin
Ghanian coworker: Ghiana
Chilean: Chile
Viet : Viet Nam
Canadian: Canada

I have never hear a Canadian say North America.

I have met a few people that say European now.

German: Berlin
:D

And just in case people don't get it - note how everyone else will say their nation, and a German will name their city. It's true. That's really how it is.

Candians are not Americans. They're Canadians.
I have never heard someone from the Federal Repbulic of Germany called a Federal Republican. Or a FRian. We're Americans, not USians.

Exactly. Being NS players I'd think it would be painfully obvious. Your nation's name and your nation's "title" are two seperate things. The term United States is simply a prefix for the actual country name. Under different cirumcstances, the Germans might have decided to refer to their reunified country as the United States (in German obviously) You wouldn't refer to them by that though, they'd still be Germans. Thus, Americans are Americans, as arrogant as you may percieve us to be because of that.

The USians here still haven't understood that they don't get to decide what they are called by other people. They can only decide what they call themselves. Now if they want to delude themselves that their nation occupies all of the continents in the new world, then they can, but I am not going to join them in their delusion.

Exactly. Being NS players I'd think it would be painfully obvious. Your nation's name and your nation's "title" are two seperate things. The term United States is simply a prefix for the actual country name. Under different cirumcstances, the Germans might have decided to refer to their reunified country as the United States (in German obviously) You wouldn't refer to them by that though, they'd still be Germans. Thus, Americans are Americans, as arrogant as you may percieve us to be because of that.

No, no, no. The term "United States of" is not a prefix. "Federal Republic of" would be a prefix of sorts, used to describe a proper noun name of a country. "United States of" is not. In the phrase "United States of America" the main noun is States. The term "United" is an attributive adjective used to describe the States. The term "of America" is a prepositional phrase used to describe the location of said States, which is America. Of course, Hawaii kinda screws that whole thing up, but whatever.

Exactly. Being NS players I'd think it would be painfully obvious. Your nation's name and your nation's "title" are two seperate things. The term United States is simply a prefix for the actual country name. Under different cirumcstances, the Germans might have decided to refer to their reunified country as the United States (in German obviously) You wouldn't refer to them by that though, they'd still be Germans. Thus, Americans are Americans, as arrogant as you may percieve us to be because of that.

So...German is their preferred designation? It's what they call themselves, right?

The USians here still haven't understood that they don't get to decide what they are called by other people. They can only decide what they call themselves. Now if they want to delude themselves that their nation occupies all of the continents in the new world, then they can, but I am not going to join them in their delusion.
The tards here haven't understood that we don't like being called USians and we can argue as much as we want.

No, no, no. The term "United States of" is not a prefix. "Federal Republic of" would be a prefix of sorts, used to describe a proper noun name of a country. "United States of" is not. In the phrase "United States of America" the main noun is States. The term "United" is an attributive adjective used to describe the States. The term "of America" is a prepositional phrase used to describe the location of said States, which is America. Of course, Hawaii kinda screws that whole thing up, but whatever.

By that logic Germans should be called "Republicans" because the main noun in "The Federal Republic of Germany" is Republic, with Federal being an attributice adjective descirbing the Rebulic and "of Germany" being a prepositional phrase used to descirbe the location of said Republic, which is Germany.


So...German is their preferred designation? It's what they call themselves, right?

I wouldn't know for sure, but I believe the term used is Deutsch.

By that logic Germans should be called "Republicans" because the main noun in "The Federal Republic of Germany" is Republic, with Federal being an attributice adjective descirbing the Rebulic and "of Germany" being a prepositional phrase used to descirbe the location of said Republic, which is Germany.

Where did I say what people should be called?

And Germans call themselves Deutschlanders.

The USians here still haven't understood that they don't get to decide what they are called by other people. They can only decide what they call themselves. Now if they want to delude themselves that their nation occupies all of the continents in the new world, then they can, but I am not going to join them in their delusion.

Ahhh the beauty of delusions is the fact you don't know you are delusional.

I have been in 12 countries and have spoken to people from many more.

Guess what everybody has more or less said:

"Ahh you are American...."

Enjoy your delusion.

Where did I say what people should be called?

Sorry, I assumed from your rather vehement disagreement with me and your breakdown of my argument why "American" is the proper term that you were arguing in favor of something like "Statesian".

And Germans call themselves Deutschlanders.

Right, with Deutschland meaning Germany and "er" being a German suffix equivalent to the english, -an, -ish or -ese.



Now, I believe the German term for Americans is "Amerikaner", translating quite literally into "American".

The French term for American is Americain(e). Another nice literal translation.

And Germans call themselves Deutschlanders.
Hehe, no they don't.

Usually they call themselves "deutsch" (that word being a linguistic term originally).
However, they used to call themselves "Westdeutsch" and "Ostdeutsch" (some still do). Neither side claimed to be representative of the whole country (well, politically they did for a while, but that's beside the point) and so they couldn't claim the word for themselves alone.

And what's wrong with calling people US-Americans whenever there is a risk that there could be confusion? That's a compromise, isn't it?

The tards here haven't understood that we don't like being called USians and we can argue as much as we want.

Are you speaking for all USians, or just those who have posted on this thread about their dislike of the term "USian?"

If the former, I would ask you to please refrain from doing this in the fututre, as I am a USian, and do not mind the term at all.

Hehe, no they don't.

Usually they call themselves "deutsch" (that word being a linguistic term originally).
However, they used to call themselves "Westdeutsch" and "Ostdeutsch" (some still do). Neither side claimed to be representative of the whole country (well, politically they did for a while, but that's beside the point) and so they couldn't claim the word for themselves alone.

And what's wrong with calling people US-Americans whenever there is a risk that there could be confusion? That's a compromise, isn't it?


I don't think there's any occasion when refering to someone as American could cause confusion. What other country's citizens refer to themselves as Americans? None as far as I know.

The tards here haven't understood that we don't like being called USians and we can argue as much as we want.

Could you explain why you don't like being called USians, I mean it really doesn't matter so long as it makes it clear what country you are from, does it?

The tards here haven't understood that we don't like being called USians and we can argue as much as we want.
Ummm--you don't speak for me. Not all USians want to be called Americans.

Could you explain why you don't like being called USians, I mean it really doesn't matter so long as it makes it clear what country you are from, does it?

I don't know why, it just annoys me for some reason. probably because it's just as easy to say American and that's the term i've always used. From what i've seen, USian is only used in typed conversation because it has fewer letters, but in spoken conversation, they have the same amount of syllables.

Could you explain why you don't like being called USians, I mean it really doesn't matter so long as it makes it clear what country you are from, does it?
The guy just referred to a large section of the forum as "tards." I doubt he has the verbal capacity to describe how to pour piss out of his shoes.

The tards here haven't understood that we don't like being called USians and we can argue as much as we want.

I'm an American, a USian, or, even better, a Californian, and I don't care what I'm called, as long as it isn't preceded by "You stupid fucking..."

We're a nation that mostly can't find Holland on a map, much less know what the denizens of Holland call themselves. That's the arrogance in the face of ignorance that many in other parts of the world object to.

For example, you're throwing the word "tards" out there and you're objecting to USian? That's what's known as a double standard.

Ummm--you don't speak for me. Not all USians want to be called Americans.

Well you just have a hatred for this country. Why don't you just immigrate?

:p

Sorry, I assumed from your rather vehement disagreement with me and your breakdown of my argument why "American" is the proper term that you were arguing in favor of something like "Statesian".

I just avoid the whole thing and refer to myself as a Michigander.

Now, I believe the German term for Americans is "Amerikaner", translating quite literally into "American".

They sometimes in slang call us "Ami"s. Pronounced kinda like Ahmees. Or at least I was called that several times when stationed over there 4 years ago.

Hehe, no they don't.

When I lived in Hesse that's what they told me they called themselves. But then, from what I gathered the Hessians are a bit "odd".

Could you explain why you don't like being called USians, I mean it really doesn't matter so long as it makes it clear what country you are from, does it?
Because im not a USian, goddamn it. Im an American. A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N. I'll start calling you UKian.

The guy just referred to a large section of the forum as "tards." I doubt he has the verbal capacity to describe how to pour piss out of his shoes.

You never know, he might be able to explain his problem, but then again you are probably right.

Well you just have a hatred for this country. Why don't you just immigrate?

:p

He didn't say he hates the USA, just that he doesn't want to be called American. For some reason.

"You stupid fucking..."


Don't worry. We all refer to you that way.

:p

Because im not a USian, goddamn it. Im an American. A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N. I'll start calling you UKian.

You can call me a UKian all you want, I live in Brazil. (See my location, or was it too cryptic for you?)

He didn't say he hates the USA, just that he doesn't want to be called American. For some reason.

You missed the :p

;)

The USians here still haven't understood that they don't get to decide what they are called by other people. They can only decide what they call themselves. Now if they want to delude themselves that their nation occupies all of the continents in the new world, then they can, but I am not going to join them in their delusion.


Your argument makes little coherent sense. People are usually defined by what they call themselves- if I come from a place I call Jumaland, and I refer to myself as a Juman, people are going to call me a Juman, unless they have 1. A historically relevant name for Jumaland (as common in ancient Rome and Greece), or 2. a moniker devised for something that the people of Jumaland have done, such as "the barbarians" (as common in China).

I can't just go up to a French person and say, "Hell, I say you're Dutch, so you're Dutch now." It doesn't work that way.

And, to clear up the grammatical bullshit, it doesn't matter what the words United or States modify. My country is the United States of America, being that I am a citizen of a State (Michigan, making me a either a Michigander or a Michiganian, depending on the area) but also a citizen of the United States, which makes me an American, because I'm from America, America being my country. A Chilean does not call himself a South American because his country is not South America, it is Chile.

The same is true of the British Isles. A person from Britain is either 1. English 2. Scottish 3. Irish 4. Welsh 6. Etc. They are not United Kingdomians. They are Britons, and can then be divided into Scotch, Irish, and English categories.

You can call me a UKian all you want, I live in Brazil. (See my location, or was it too cryptic for you?)

Some people don't like to read. ;)




Ah, :p's make all the difference

You missed the :p

;)
Yeah, but I didn't, and that's the important part, right? ;)

oops, i just glanced over and saw greenwhich.
FRian it is.

You Usians are so sensitive it's a wonder you can occupy other nations. Get over it. It's a frickin' short-form. wtf. roflmao. ttyl. usian. Whaddaya think, we all get together for secret meetings in the UN cafeteria trying to come up with hurtful short-form referrential terminology, thinly-veiled as entirely reasonable, useful short-form referrential terminology? Grow up. We've got a lot more to concern ourselves with other than your delusions of being slighted at every turn.

Your argument makes little coherent sense.

Sorry but it does. What do you call the people from Nipon? How about those from España?
No, we do decide what we call the people of other nations, and they don't get much say in the matter.

I don't think there's any occasion when refering to someone as American could cause confusion. What other country's citizens refer to themselves as Americans? None as far as I know.
They don't refer to themselves exclusively as Americans, but they certainly are. Or would you say that Brazilians aren't Americans?

I agree that it doesn't happen often, but there can be cases when simply saying "Americans" could either mean only US-citizens (how about we just use that - the way the US is heading, it's not like there'll be any other people living there :rolleyes: ) or Brazilians, Puerto Ricans and Canadians.

And fact of the matter is that AB is right - no one gets to choose what other people call them. It's not a derogatory term, and I can for the death of me not think of a way it could be interpreted that way.

That said, usually there won't be any confusion when one uses the word "American". That's why it's done by people all around the world. Except in some cases:
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,418002,00.html
Trotzdem ist man intern alles andere als zufrieden mit dem neuen Chef: Vor allem Wolfowitz' Personalpolitik sorgt für Unmut. Entgegen der herkömmlichen Praxis besetze er zahlreiche Schlüsselposten mit alten Vertrauten - die meisten von ihnen US-Amerikaner. "Die Stimmung ist sauschlecht hier", sagt ein hochrangiger Weltbank-Mitarbeiter.
It talks about Wolfowitz' first year as boss of the World Bank, and about how he put Americans in most key positions. "Americans" could however include all sorts of people, so they qualify it by making it "US-Americans".

Cry me a river, but that's hardly something to get angry about.

You Usians are so sensitive it's a wonder you can occupy other nations. Get over it. It's a frickin' short-form. wtf. roflmao. ttyl. usian. Whaddaya think, we all get together for secret meetings in the UN cafeteria trying to come up with hurtful short-form referrential terminology, thinly-veiled as entirely reasonable, useful short-form referrential terminology? Grow up. We've got a lot more to concern ourselves with other than your delusions of being slighted at every turn.

No one has said that the term USian is intended to cause offense and/or hurt to Americans.

What has been said is that a significant number of Americans much prefer the term American, and do not acknowledge USian as a valid term for Americans.

You can call me a UKian all you want, I live in Brazil. (See my location, or was it too cryptic for you?)

Well. In some areas *whispers* where my relatives live *sighs*

You would be a Mexican.

oops, i just glanced over and saw greenwhich.
FRian it is.

Along with yourself in that case.

The USA is the Federal Repuublic of the United States of America. However if you want to call me Brian (using the first two letters of the national name most often used) then I don't mind. :p

No one has said that the term USian is intended to cause offense and/or hurt to Americans.

What has been said is that a significant number of Americans much prefer the term American, and do not acknowledge USian as a valid term for Americans.
Well, tough-o. It's convenient.

Now listen here, all you NSians...

You Usians are so sensitive it's a wonder you can occupy other nations. Get over it. It's a frickin' short-form. wtf. roflmao. ttyl. usian. Whaddaya think, we all get together for secret meetings in the UN cafeteria trying to come up with hurtful short-form referrential terminology, thinly-veiled as entirely reasonable, useful short-form referrential terminology? Grow up. We've got a lot more to concern ourselves with other than your delusions of being slighted at every turn.

Don't worry you provincials don't offend all of us.

Yeah, but I didn't, and that's the important part, right? ;)

True. However, should we talk about the Boston part? :p

They don't refer to themselves exclusively as Americans, but they certainly are. Or would you say that Brazilians aren't Americans?

Please don't put words in people's mouths. It's not a very effective debate technique and it's quite likely to annoy the person you are talking to.

I never said that Brazilians etc are not Americans of a sort. I only said that I cannot concieve any circumstance in which the use of the term American in reference to citizens of the United States of America would cause confusion.

Along with yourself in that case.

The USA is the Federal Repuublic of the United States of America. However if you want to call me Brian (using the first two letters of the national name most often used) then I don't mind. :p

conventional long form: United States of America
conventional short form: United States
abbreviation: US or USA
CIA Factbook.
The Offical name might be United States, but that is not the adjective.

When I lived in Hesse that's what they told me they called themselves. But then, from what I gathered the Hessians are a bit "odd".
They might be odd, but they're not that odd!

They might have said Deutschländer (German doesn't do the 's' at the end to make things plural), but that would still be a ridiculous way of saying it.

And he quotith Civ 3: "Cingular: United States. Plural: American."

Sorry but it does. What do you call the people from Nipon? How about those from España?
No, we do decide what we call the people of other nations, and they don't get much say in the matter.


Did you miss #1? Where it has some historical significance? People from Nipon are Japanese because Marco Polo thought the island was called Zipangu. Zipangu...Japan. Zipangese... Japanese. Sounds similar? He never actually went there or learned it's name. Now, when the missionaries arrived, they called it Japan because it's the only word they knew. That' doesn't happen in the modern day. Espana, or Spain in English, is the transliterated word. It means exactly the same thing, just in a different pronunciation. Transliterations of words for ease of pronunciation don't count.

That's why the German word for American in Amerikana. It literally means "American" in German.

conventional long form: United States of America
conventional short form: United States
abbreviation: US or USA
CIA Factbook.
The Offical name might be United States, but that is not the adjective.

So you are denying that the USA is a Federal Republic now?

Please don't put words in people's mouths. It's not a very effective debate technique and it's quite likely to annoy the person you are talking to.
Dude, I didn't put any words into anyone's mouth. I asked you whether or not you thought that was a reasonable statement, because that was what you were implying by saying this:
I only said that I cannot concieve any circumstance in which the use of the term American in reference to citizens of the United States of America would cause confusion.

So you are denying that the USA is a Federal Republic now?
No, im saying that the name has Federal Republic nowhere in it, whereas
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conventional long form: Federative Republic of Brazil
conventional short form: Brazil
local long form: Republica Federativa do Brasil
local short form: Brasil

So you are denying that the USA is a Federal Republic now?


Does it look like it? Federal Republic is not the title of the US. It's United States. We might be a Federal Republic, but that's not in the name.

And he quotith Civ 3: "Cingular: United States. Plural: American."
Civ 3 says it!
that game pwns
Except i dont like playing as america, i like the Dutch or the Carthegineans better.

Did you miss #1? Where it has some historical significance? People from Nipon are Japanese because Marco Polo thought the island was called Zipangu. Zipangu...Japan. Zipangese... Japanese. Sounds similar? He never actually went there or learned it's name. Now, when the missionaries arrived, they called it Japan because it's the only word they knew. That' doesn't happen in the modern day. Espana, or Spain in English, is the transliterated word. It means exactly the same thing, just in a different pronunciation. Transliterations of words for ease of pronunciation don't count.

That's why the German word for American in Amerikana. It literally means "American" in German.

So it only counts when it suits you, and not whan it doesn't, and if it happened more than 500 years ago it is OK, but now it is not. No. I don't think so.
In language, of any spoken form, the speaker decides the name for something that he is wanting to label in some way, not the listener. The listener inteprets that name as they wish, but they do not control what the term used will be.

They might be odd, but they're not that odd!

They might have said Deutschländer (German doesn't do the 's' at the end to make things plural), but that would still be a ridiculous way of saying it.

Did I throw an 's' on the end of that? Oops. I know very little German, but I do know enough that you don't put the 's' on nouns to make them plural.

Ridiculous or no, that's what they told me. Perhaps they were playing a joke on me or something.

Dude, I didn't put any words into anyone's mouth. I asked you whether or not you thought that was a reasonable statement, because that was what you were implying by saying this:

No, that was not what I was implying. That may have been what you inferred from my statements however.

The wording you used was not in the form of a conventional question, but rather a baited question, in which you twisted my words to an extreme to attempt to make my previous statement appear invalid.

The people of The United States were called American for a very good reason: way back when, some of you who know their history, might remember that all the states/colonies were pretty muce seperate nations. They formed an alliance: "The United States of America." This alliance endured, and eventually became a nation of it's own. It's the American Alliance, and people born of it have every right to be American. If the EU ever became a nation of it's own, I wouldn't object one bit if people in it said "I'm European."

Civ 3 says it!
that game pwns
Except i dont like playing as america, i like the Dutch or the Carthegineans better.
Hey, I never said America was fun to play. Personally, I like Rome.

The people of The United States were called American for a very good reason: way back when, some of you who know their history, might remember that all the states/colonies were pretty muce seperate nations. They formed an alliance: "The United States of America." This alliance endured, and eventually became a nation of it's own. It's the American Alliance, and people born of it have every right to be American. If the EU ever became a nation of it's own, I wouldn't object one bit if people in it said "I'm European."

But what about the people that live in Europe but are not part of the EU. Ny Norland for example. They too are European, so the EU would not have the right to claim the adjective to describe its citizens. Now in Europe, the majority would be in the EU so they may be able to make a case, but in America the majority are not in the United States, they are outside of it.

So it only counts when it suits you, and not whan it doesn't, and if it happened more than 500 years ago it is OK, but now it is not. No. I don't think so.
In language, of any spoken form, the speaker decides the name for something that he is wanting to label in some way, not the listener. The listener inteprets that name as they wish, but they do not control what the term used will be.


But the original meaning is still the same. If a German can't pronounce the Russian word for Russia, is he not allowed to talk about Russia? No, he'll create a word that sounds like "Russkie" and say that, because it means almost exactly the same thing. Meaning comes out of usage- if we call ourselves Americans, and the word for us in other languages means "Americans," and it's common knowledge that people who come from the US are Americans, I can't just decide to call them Jumans from Jumanland. Even if the person I'm speaking to has never heard of America, that doesn't mean that Americans are now Jumans.

And yes, if it happened over 500 years ago it's okay. Because why? People were dumber and less informed.

But what about the people that live in Europe but are not part of the EU. Ny Norland for example. They too are European, so the EU would not have the right to claim the adjective to describe its citizens. Now in Europe, the majority would be in the EU so they may be able to make a case, but in America the majority are not in the United States, they are outside of it.
Hey, it's not our fault we don't make babies as fast...well...maybe it is...

But what about the people that live in Europe but are not part of the EU. Ny Norland for example. They too are European, so the EU would not have the right to claim the adjective to describe its citizens. Now in Europe, the majority would be in the EU so they may be able to make a case, but in America the majority are not in the United States, they are outside of it.

But people who do not live in the USA do not regularly refer to themselves as Americans. They are Canadian or Brazilian or Mexican etc. Our country is called America. Can you not realize that?

Hey, it's not our fault we don't make babies as fast...well...maybe it is...

Yes it is, what are you doing posting here instead of making babies? ;)

That's why the German word for American in Amerikana. It literally means "American" in German.
Where do you people get these from? :confused:

But people who do not live in the USA do not regularly refer to themselves as Americans. They are Canadian or Brazilian or Mexican etc. Our country is called America. Can you not realize that?

Your country is called The United States of America, not America. Now who has something to realise?

If someone from Russia, called themselves Soviet, then what?

Whatever. I can't make you shut up, unfourtnatly, and therefore i can't win. I concede.

Whatever. Just refer to me as a Texan.

Your country is called The United States of America, not America. Now who has something to realise?
It was an alliance. It didn't have a name like the rest of the countries did. "Texas" did. "Alabama" did. It was an alliance, so no name was ever thought up when it became a country. No-one is gonna change that now.

If someone from Russia, called themselves Soviet, then what?

People can call themselves whatever they want, just others can call them whatever they want to as well.

I, for one, am not arguing that USians should use the term if they don't want to, I am simply arguing that I have every right to use it, it makes sense, it is clear, and it is not derogatory.

Your country is called The United States of America, not America. Now who has something to realise?

And your country is called The Federal Republic of Brazil? No. People don't say The Federal Republic of Brazil here, they say Brazil, and I suspect it's the same there, and everywhere.

The country I live in is called America.

People can call themselves whatever they want, just others can call them whatever they want to as well.

I, for one, am not arguing that USians should use the term if they don't want to, I am simply arguing that I have every right to use it, it makes sense, it is clear, and it is not derogatory.
USian sure doesn't make sense. If you want to make up a name for my -- OUR nation, do it. United Statesian makes no-sense.

The wording you used was not in the form of a conventional question, but rather a baited question, in which you twisted my words to an extreme to attempt to make my previous statement appear invalid.
It's an interesting description of it, but yes, that's a tool I like to use in discussions: I take the statement and I follow it to its logical conclusions to illustrate its absurdity.

It is absolutely impossible that there could not be confusion when you agree that "American" could both mean and not mean a Brazilian, even if it may not be very often. So if you say that you can't see that confusion, the only reason can be that you don't think "American" could be used to describe someone from Brazil.

If you made the nation on NS, what EXACTLY would you call it? I would call it: "The United States of America", and to log on, I'd type in "America". NS is the Doomsday Book on this forum.:)

It was an alliance. It didn't have a name like the rest of the countries did. "Texas" did. "Alabama" did. It was an alliance, so no name was ever thought up when it became a country. No-one is gonna change that now.

So because no name was given to the territory, the adjective for the continent should be applied?

OK, you can if you want, but I prefer to be more specific. As this 'unnamed' country has acquired the name the US by common usage, it makes sense to call the people from there USians, doesn't it? (It certainly sounds better than USers or the people from the unnamed country in America.)

It's an interesting description of it, but yes, that's a tool I like to use in discussions: I take the statement and I follow it to its logical conclusions to illustrate its absurdity.

It is absolutely impossible that there could not be confusion when you agree that "American" could both mean and not mean a Brazilian, even if it may not be very often. So if you say that you can't see that confusion, the only reason can be that you don't think "American" could be used to describe someone from Brazil.

I just believe that in those particular situations, the context of the word's usage would make it's exact meaning clear.

I suspect they prefer the term Deutsch.
Methinks that too. Isn't that what most of the world calls them?

USian sure doesn't make sense. If you want to make up a name for my -- OUR nation, do it. United Statesian makes no-sense.
But it's just USian. Not "United Statesian". It's faster than typing in "American". That's all. Sheesh. Besides, I can't possible remember which of you are from what state, so calling people Texans or Idahoans or New Yorkers or whatever isn't on.

Honestly, grow some skin.

If you made the nation on NS, what EXACTLY would you call it? I would call it: "The United States of America", and to log on, I'd type in "America". NS is the Doomsday Book on this forum.:)
I repeat, NS is the Doomsday Book of this forum!

I repeat, NS is the Doomsday Book of this forum!

And don't you wish you hadn't?

It is absolutely impossible that there could not be confusion when you agree that "American" could both mean and not mean a Brazilian, even if it may not be very often. So if you say that you can't see that confusion, the only reason can be that you don't think "American" could be used to describe someone from Brazil.

Which probably means that those objecting to USian think that the OAS (http://www.oas.org/)is an association of States within the USA. After all they are the only American States, aren't they?

But it's just USian. Not "United Statesian". It's faster than typing in "American". That's all. Sheesh. Besides, I can't possible remember which of you are from what state, so calling people Texans or Idahoans or New Yorkers or whatever isn't on.

Honestly, grow some skin.
I never asked for you call me by the name of my state. I said make up a name. Idiotic Bush-Followers for all I care (IBFians?).

USian sure doesn't make sense. If you want to make up a name for my -- OUR nation, do it. United Statesian makes no-sense.


What do you mean it doesn't make sense?

I can tell you're not well-educated, so i'm sure you dont know what a morpheme is, but "-ian" is an english morpheme that communicates the idea "from" or "of."

If you speak english even passingly well, you should be able to figure out what "United Statesian" means without having to even think it through.

Methinks that too. Isn't that what most of the world calls them?
I think there's three main variants - one being 'Deutsch' and variations of that word (ie Dutch 'duits'), then there's 'German' (not sure about any variations) and 'Allemagne' (that means 'Germany', not 'German', my French is no good) plus variations.

What do you mean it doesn't make sense?

I can tell you're not well-educated, so i'm sure you dont know what a morpheme is, but "-ian" is an english morpheme that communicates the idea "from" or "of."

If you speak english even passingly well, you should be able to figure out what "United Statesian" means without having to even think it through.
Germanian...

I think there's three main variants - one being 'Deutsch' and variations of that word (ie Dutch 'duits'), then there's 'German' (not sure about any variations) and 'Allemagne' (that means 'Germany', not 'German', my French is no good) plus variations.

In Portuguese it is Alemão - derived from the Latin for one of the tribes from the area. Where does Prussian come into it?

Germanian...

Englandian as well then. Just because a suffix has a certain meaning does not mean that all words that contain that meaning use that suffix. Would you prefer we called you USese?

Germanian...


Germanian is redundant, like "americanian"

to pare things down completely, that /vowel-n/ is the morpheme that denotes "of or from."

Now i'm not one to use knuckledragger words like "usian," but in light of all the crybabyism that surrounds this discussion, I might be won over by the infinitely more accurate and poetic

wUSsian

Where does Prussian come into it?
It doesn't. Prussia was just one German kingdom of many which never claimed to represent the whole of Germany. So people called them "Preußen", "Prussians" or "Prussie" (that word coming from the area which was called so because of an earlier Slavic tribe that lived there, the 'Pruzzen').

The thing with German as a word for a person specifically is, I suppose, that it's never denoted a nation until very late in the piece. It's always been a word for a people, used originally as a term meaning all those who speak one of the Germanic languages (which was the only thing uniting the peoples east of the Rhine).

Now i'm not one to use knuckledragger words like "usian," but in light of all the crybabyism that surrounds this discussion, I might be won over by the infinitely more accurate and poetic

wUSsian
Ok, that is offenisive.
Are you being sarcastic or do i need to make a post explaning that Americans are not wusses?

Ok, that is offenisive.
Are you being sarcastic or do i need to make a post explaning that Americans are not wusses?


You mean a post crying about it?

Ok, that is offenisive.
Are you being sarcastic or do i need to make a post explaning that Americans are not wusses?
wuss
n : a person who is physically weak and ineffectual [syn: weakling, doormat]
Maybe it's not quite the right word.
cry·ba·by
n. pl. cry·ba·bies
A person who cries or complains frequently with little cause.

Now, there we go! :p

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Brit: So, where are you guys from?
Frenchman: Europe.
Chinaman: Asia.
Belgian: Europe.
Ghanaian: Africa.
Zimbabwean: Africa.
Chilean: South America.
Vietnamese: Asia.
Canadian: North America

Well... since you're so hot on the subject of the 'word I call myself', then I demand equitable treatment.

Therefore, kindly refrain from referring to a Briton as a 'Brit', or the British as 'Brits', as these are terms you don't find the British using.

Maybe it's not quite the right word.


Now, there we go! :p


Its just that so many crybabies are wusses as well. So hard to keep it all straight.

You mean a post crying about it?
:rolleyes:
not even going to bother

There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.

There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian

There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)

There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it

I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian

Period. End of story.

I'm an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian. Or whatever the hell that is. If we were attached to Asia you might have a point, but not so since we aren't.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!
A point that needed making.

First time I saw it I thought is was a dumbass that didnt' know any better.

Your argument makes little coherent sense. People are usually defined by what they call themselves- if I come from a place I call Jumaland, and I refer to myself as a Juman, people are going to call me a Juman, unless they have 1. A historically relevant name for Jumaland (as common in ancient Rome and Greece), or 2. a moniker devised for something that the people of Jumaland have done, such as "the barbarians" (as common in China).

I can't just go up to a French person and say, "Hell, I say you're Dutch, so you're Dutch now." It doesn't work that way.

And, to clear up the grammatical bullshit, it doesn't matter what the words United or States modify. My country is the United States of America, being that I am a citizen of a State (Michigan, making me a either a Michigander or a Michiganian, depending on the area) but also a citizen of the United States, which makes me an American, because I'm from America, America being my country. A Chilean does not call himself a South American because his country is not South America, it is Chile.

The same is true of the British Isles. A person from Britain is either 1. English 2. Scottish 3. Irish 4. Welsh 6. Etc. They are not United Kingdomians. They are Britons, and can then be divided into Scotch, Irish, and English categories.

You've just insulted the Irish. Irish =/= Britons.

You've just insulted the Irish. Irish =/= Britons.

In addition to all the other Celts and Picts and Anglo Saxons etc who are not Britons as well (or does history not matter in this case?)

I'll just call you UKky now. It's an abbreviated form of the actual name.

If it stops people from thinking that everyone from the UK is English then fine. I'm all for it.

I could ask the same. My point has been, and continues to be, that it is rude to insist on calling someone something other than what they accept as their name.

What do you call someone from Hungary?

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http://www.infoplease.com/atlas/europe.html

And where does Britain appear on these maps?

Well the first one doesn't work.

On the second two it is the island (in pink and green respectively) above France and east of Ireland (excluding the little bit of pink/green actually in Ireland).

I hereby propose we start using the term "Merkins" to refer to citizens of the USA, as is already done on several usenet newsgroups. It sounds sufficiently like American without actually claiming two whole continents and is easy to pronounce. Furthermore, the other meaning of the word fits the esteem and respect the rest of the world has for the country.

no, we americans are too patriotic to not feel slighted when someone takes away a title we hold
Speak for yourself.

I'd rather everyone just call me "Ruffy"

There are multiple places called America. I do not know of any country that is called "America" though.

The United States of America is the only country with the word America in it, therefore, just as the Russian Federation is often known as Russia, the USA is America.

The United States of America is the only country with the word America in it, therefore, just as the Russian Federation is often known as Russia, the USA is America.

Do notice where the word "America" is located in the name though: behind the "of". It is clearly not intended to claim that citizens of the United States of America are the only ones entitled to call themselves Americans.
People who discriminate against "non-Americans" while pointing at Mexicans are therefor silly.

Your point?
The Arab Republic of Egypt is called Egypt
The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is called Afghanistan
The Peoples Republic of China is called China
The Crazy Dictatorship of North Korea is still called North Korea
The French Republic is called France, etc

Your point?
The Arab Republic of Egypt is called Egypt
The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is called Afghanistan
The Peoples Republic of China is called China
The Crazy Dictatorship of North Korea is still called North Korea
The French Republic is called France, etc

You'll notice that none of these countries have a name that's also the name of a continent...

Your point?

My point is that while citizens of the USA are definately allowed to call themselves Americans, they should not claim they are the only ones with that right. Egypt is not on a continent called Egypt, nor part of a region called Egypt - so neighbouring countries claiming they are allowed to call themselves Egyptians too are being silly.

France is not on a continent called France or lying in a region called France - so neighbouring countries claiming they are allowed to call themselves French too are being silly.

The USA however is on the Northern American continent; so neighbouring countries claiming they are allowed to call themselves American too are correct. As are the countries on the southern American continent.

So to summarise:
USian = American: true
American = USian: not necessarily.

And again: let us just use Merkin. Problem solved.

What's this all about? No other group of people, anywhere on Earth, call themselves Americans besides us..
Yet if people in some country in Europe would say "You know what? It's sounds silly calling ourselves Andorrians/Montenegros(sorry, but what else can I say?)/something, so why not just call ourselves European?", all hell would break loose, as suddenly a whole lot of people on the 'net would be referring to the population of a single country.

Speak for yourself.

I'd rather everyone just call me "Ruffy"
:fluffle:

There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.

There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian

There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)

There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it

I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian

Period. End of story.

I'm an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian. Or whatever the hell that is. If we were attached to Asia you might have a point, but not so since we aren't.


Dirka dirka USian boy?

*Yawn*

I don't see the big deal... A bit of a joke really.

And, to clear up the grammatical bullshit, it doesn't matter what the words United or States modify. My country is the United States of America, being that I am a citizen of a State (Michigan, making me a either a Michigander or a Michiganian, depending on the area) but also a citizen of the United States, which makes me an American, because I'm from America, America being my country. A Chilean does not call himself a South American because his country is not South America, it is Chile.

Actually, it does matter what word is modified by what. Most countries have a single proper noun that refers solely to them. Germany, France, Italy, , etc. Often, their title is generally a form of government and the name, such as the Federal Republic of Germany. Sometimes it is the form of government and the demonym, such as the French Republic. However, the United States of America is neither of those. A "United States" is not a form of government. Also, the term "American" was once used to describe all inhabitants of the "Americas". In English speaking countries the term "American" always applies to things pertaining to the United States of America, except in some very specific contexts, but in some countries this isn't the case.

I personally find the whole "USian" thing to be extremely silly, but I find it equally silly that people don't seem to be able to comprehend where people are coming from. It's really not that hard a concept.

Anyway, while the term "USian" is quite silly, those of you who are acting as though it's the gravest of insults are equally as silly.

Do you agree that Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans and so on have just as much right to call themselves Americans ?
Yes, but you'd rarely see that happen. In Canada, at least, the term "American" means someone from the States, and we like to differentiate ourselves from them.

Actually, it does matter what word is modified by what. Most countries have a single proper noun that refers solely to them. Germany, France, Italy, , etc. Often, their title is generally a form of government and the name, such as the Federal Republic of Germany. Sometimes it is the form of government and the demonym, such as the French Republic. However, the United States of America is neither of those. A "United States" is not a form of government. Also, the term "American" was once used to describe all inhabitants of the "Americas". In English speaking countries the term "American" always applies to things pertaining to the United States of America, except in some very specific contexts, but in some countries this isn't the case.

I personally find the whole "USian" thing to be extremely silly, but I find it equally silly that people don't seem to be able to comprehend where people are coming from. It's really not that hard a concept.

Anyway, while the term "USian" is quite silly, those of you who are acting as though it's the gravest of insults are equally as silly.
Well defined! Thank you. (And I agree, it's silly.)

Yes, but you'd rarely see that happen. In Canada, at least, the term "American" means someone from the States, and we like to differentiate ourselves from them.

The term "American" means someone from the States everywhere. No other country in the Americas uses that term to describe their nationality. You will not hear a Brazillian, Mexican, Honduran, Jamaican, Haitan, Columbian, Nicaraguan, or any other national group within the American continents refer to themselves as "American."

Nor will you hear the mainstream media anywhere in the world use the term USian. You wont find it in scholarly publications, or in any common writing guide such as the MLA or APA handbooks. It's essentially a made up term, by some good-intentioned but misguided folks on the internet.

Anyone genuinely interested in the English language, and what words actually mean, would continue to use American as lexically defined and avoid made-up terms like "USian"

........

Anyone genuinely interested in the English language, and what words actually mean, would continue to use American as lexically defined and avoid made-up terms like "USian"
Does not this argument put at risk the great and continuing strength of English, which is its ability to adapt and evolve with time? (See also the growth of the American dialect from English roots.)

The term "American" means someone from the States everywhere. No other country in the Americas uses that term to describe their nationality. You will not hear a Brazillian, Mexican, Honduran, Jamaican, Haitan, Columbian, Nicaraguan, or any other national group within the American continents refer to themselves as "American."

Nor will you hear the mainstream media anywhere in the world use the term USian. You wont find it in scholarly publications, or in any common writing guide such as the MLA or APA handbooks. It's essentially a made up term, by some good-intentioned but misguided folks on the internet.

Anyone genuinely interested in the English language, and what words actually mean, would continue to use American as lexically defined and avoid made-up terms like "USian"


I couldnt care less. "USian" is used mainly by condescending Douchebagians in NS.

Does it matter a smidgen of blowfish shit ? Absolutely not.

Mexicans must find it derogatory that they are not called USians too, because they also have "United States" in the name of their country...

In fact, why don't we start refering to Germans as FRians (Federal Republic), and Spaniards as Kingdomians?

Because they're not so anal-retentive and jingoistic as to care if you do?

so wait...USian is a term to represent someone that lives in the United States of America?

hence the term America. USian only makes reference to 'United States' But we are not the only country with 'United states'

We call ourselves American...woopty flippin doo. Last I checked I wasnt going to be hit over the head with a fish if I relate myself to a continent in the Western Hemisphere

Do you agree that Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans and so on have just as much right to call themselves Americans ?


We Canadians may have the right, but we won't

Dirka dirka USian boy?


No, he's a Murka Murka.

"gobbless murka!"

You're an American, insofar as the USA is part of the American continent. Your nationality is USAmerican.

aside from canadiens that hide behind us,and mexicans that brave the desert....i would say we are america.


or no one would want to be associated with the usa...no?

everyone hates us,but the mexicans are streaming over the border,our gates are full of indians,arabs...et all,and canada is are bitch(just kidding)but the usa is not the center of it all?

thats why everyone hates us,and also why everyone wants to come here,at least from the third world.

you guys in canada can have em,nothing rascist implied,but if we are so hated,why come here...go to canada...they got free medicine...we dont,ooops...shit we do,we help the poor.


this is mostly tongue in cheek,but i hope you get my drift.

yea we suck...wooohooo...why the hell do you come here then?

you can paddle your raft here...go to england..they got free medicine and welfare.

again tongue in cheek for the daft.

We Canadians may have the right, but we won't
I dont think that many people would

We americans, I admit, are a bit stuck up, selfish, and spoiled. We stick our noses where we shouldnt as well. I am not speaking for all of this country, but in majority we do not have a good reputation.

Many Canadians are pretty much French heritage as well...but nonetheless, they are in North America. So like they said, they have the right, but nobody is really going to use it, seeing as it will associate them with America, and thats a no no

dont get me wrong though, I love my country. I just don't think people whisper good things about us behind our backs. Good thing they whisper too, cause if they said it too our face, we would take the biggest gun the UN will allow and start blowing them to bits


aside from canadiens that hide behind us,and mexicans that brave the desert....i would say we are america.


or no one would want to be associated with the usa...no?

everyone hates us,but the mexicans are streaming over the border,our gates are full of indians,arabs...et all,and canada is are bitch(just kidding)but the usa is not the center of it all?

thats why everyone hates us,and also why everyone wants to come here,at least from the third world.

you guys in canada can have em,nothing rascist implied,but if we are so hated,why come here...go to canada...they got free medicine...we dont,ooops...shit we do,we help the poor.


this is mostly tongue in cheek,but i hope you get my drift.

yea we suck...wooohooo...why the hell do you come here then?

you can paddle your raft here...go to england..they got free medicine and welfare.

again tongue in cheek for the daft.

I dont believe that the government helps the poor, thanks to republican office...but I guess that isnt your point.

We are much well off, with our high economy, military, and freedom, that is why we are so spoiled, and stuck up and think we are better than everyone else.

People want to come here so badly for that reason. We are much better off than Mexicans, Indians, and so on and so forth. I dont think they care how much we suck politically.

aside from canadiens that hide behind us,and mexicans that brave the desert....i would say we are america.
You fail drastically at geography.
Other American countries -
Argentina, Antilles, Belize, Brazil, Bolivia, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador,

etc. etc.



yea we suck...wooohooo...why the hell do you come here then?
Because you USians are very good at self-agrandizement. Paint a picture of paradise and the fools will flock there.

ok, what other Western Hemisphere country has the word America in it's name? Cuba, Columbia, Haiti ? Ergo People from the the USofA are AMERICANS. The problems seems to be to many people forget the proper name of the country. It's not the US it's the USA.


Thank you. To rephrase my position:
- Citizen of the USA claiming he is an American: fine by me.
- Citizen of the USA claiming only people from the USA can say they are American: bullshit.

ok, what other Western Hemisphere country has the word America in it's name? Cuba, Columbia, Haiti ? Ergo People from the the USofA are AMERICANS. The problems seems to be to many people forget the proper name of the country. It's not the US it's the USA.

yu must remember that in all fairness, our continent, and South America both have America in the name, thus every nation in those continents can call themselves American

Same concept for Asians. They all live in Asia, and most are called, and few call themselves, Asian

the only difference is that everybody but us Americans do NOT want to call themselves Americans

You fail drastically at geography.
Other American countries -
Argentina, Antilles, Belize, Brazil, Bolivia, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador,

etc. etc.

Because you USians are very good at self-agrandizement. Paint a picture of paradise and the fools will flock there.

Wow. Such an angry lad.

Then wouldn't the "other contries" be North or South Americans vs just Americans ?


yu must remember that in all fairness, our continent, and South America both have America in the name, thus every nation in those continents can call themselves American

Same concept for Asians. They all live in Asia, and most are called, and few call themselves, Asian

the only difference is that everybody but us Americans do NOT want to call themselves Americans

Wow. Such an angry lad.

I am actually amused, not angry. I will call these people USians, if I want to. They can object all they want, it isn't their choice.

Geeez, get over what you are called. I've been called much worse than Usian. Heck, I'm just happy people from other countries are still willing to talk to me!

This could all be sorted if everyone went back to the original term for a Usian i.e. YANKEE or a YANK or does that only apply to NYCers?

Only those above the Mason/Dixon line.

ooooook, I'm from the UK so where on EARTH is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason-Dixon_line

There ya go :)

ahhhhh, thanks. Small question, what are people from the north called then?

The ones from the North are called Yankees. The ones from the South are usually avoided like the plague and never called at all :D

I love how the term "Usian" is catching on to the point it's really pissing people off. *applauds*

I've been to florida twice on holiday and they don't seem like scary/weird/demented, plague-carrying nutters as you didn't call them but I pick up that kinda vibe from what you sed.

How did I miss this pointless attempt to cow the world into not using the term 'USian'?

For the benefit of NS General, I have agreed to use the full term of UnitedStatesian, but elsewhere, you're still USians.

I live in Texas, I'm allowed to imply it *laughs*

Surprisingly, Southerners are fairly normal, but you'll hear rumors about Floridians being unusually insane and Texans being very well.....Texan. And it is true about the Texans :) Thank goodness I am not from here, but merely landed here later on in life!

So I can call you a dick...it isn't your choice. :rolleyes:


I am actually amused, not angry. I will call these people USians, if I want to. They can object all they want, it isn't their choice.

How did I miss this pointless attempt to cow the world into not using the term 'USian'?

For the benefit of NS General, I have agreed to use the full term of UnitedStatesian, but elsewhere, you're still USians.


everytime you call us UnitedStatesians, I will call us USians twice, because we are USians in my eyes. :D:fluffle:

So I can call you a dick...it isn't your choice. :rolleyes:


I believe you are not free to flame others on the NationStates message board though. USian isn't a flame, it's a marker for national identity.

I am actually amused, not angry. I will call these people USians, if I want to. They can object all they want, it isn't their choice.
i guess you'll be a douchbagian then. object all you want. it isn't your choice.

How did I miss this pointless attempt to cow the world into not using the term 'USian'?

For the benefit of NS General, I have agreed to use the full term of UnitedStatesian, but elsewhere, you're still USians.

Meh.

I am a usian; you are an indian.

There are far better things to worry about.

I believe you are not free to flame others on the NationStates message board though. USian isn't a flame, it's a marker for national identity.
it's been used as a flame in the past. And since i think it's an insult, i take it as a flame.

I am actually amused, not angry. I will call these people USians, if I want to. They can object all they want, it isn't their choice.

Hey I know you Spanish people have a sense of humor.....

Meh.

I am a usian; you are an indian.

There are far better things to worry about.
Except USian is so much more specific than Indian. I mean...people might start thinking I know something about curries here...

it's been used as a flame in the past. And since i think it's an insult, i take it as a flame.
Feel free to take pointless insult to anything you want. Guess what. I'm going to use the following word as an insult "BANANA". Now every time you hear it, you can assume the person saying it means it in the exact same way I do. :rolleyes:

why is it so hard to respect someone's elses wish to not be called a "USian"?

Feel free to take pointless insult to anything you want. Guess what. I'm going to use the following word as an insult "BANANA". Now every time you hear it, you can assume the person saying it means it in the exact same way I do. :rolleyes:
fine, call me a banana and i'll hafta report you to the mods then :p

and besides, the problem w/ this is that no one has used the word banana as an insult, but they have used the term "USian" as one.

it's been used as a flame in the past. And since i think it's an insult, i take it as a flame.

I've never seen proof of this but when I say USian I do it not as a flame so your choice to take it as a flame is yours alone and will have no bassis in reality when coming from me.

Except USian is so much more specific than Indian. I mean...people might start thinking I know something about curries here...


I never use the term indian for native americans - injun is a much better word.

mmmm curry

it's been used as a flame in the past. And since i think it's an insult, i take it as a flame.
Then, by all mean, report it. See what the Mods think about it.

I agreed during the last thread to use UnitedStatesian as we discovered that it was used in the past to refer to colonist in the USA. Some people are using USian in a derogatory manner so I avoid it now.

That being said, any UnitedStatesian who insist to be called American can start saying français when talking about the french, svenge (sp?) when talking about swedes, and your higness, the epitome of all that is good and holy when refering to me. Otherwise, you're hypocrite.

why is it so hard to respect someone's elses wish to not be called a "USian"?
Why is it so hard to take millions upon millions of people's request that you not use "American" to only refer to yourselves?

This is what is known as an impasse.

[Devil's advocate]What if I find the term USian insulting? Is that not a flame. I happen to find the work Dick comical but USian highly insulting akin to n*gger. Because I feel this way there is no intent to flame. [/Devil's advocate]

I believe you are not free to flame others on the NationStates message board though. USian isn't a flame, it's a marker for national identity.

and besides, the problem w/ this is that no one has used the word banana as an insult, but they have used the term "USian" as one.
Really. Give me an example of a person who has used USian as an insult.

I don't use it that way, but you take offense anyway.

At some point, the responsibility for that offense is yours.

Banana you!

Except USian is so much more specific than Indian. I mean...people might start thinking I know something about curries here...

That's true. Let's change it to Injun then. Everybody knows that term from movies.

Really. Give me an example of a person who has used USian as an insult.

I don't use it that way, but you take offense anyway.

At some point, the responsibility for that offense is yours.

Banana you!
Used by Ny Nordland in one of the Turkey threads he started.

Muryavet, Jocabia and me had quite a bit of fun laughing at his pityful use of the term to try and insult UnitedStatesians.

[Devil's advocate]What if I find the term USian insulting? Is that not a flame. I happen to find the work Dick comical but USian highly insulting akin to n*gger. Because I feel this way there is no intent to flame. [/Devil's advocate]


Feel that way all you want. If the term USian was widely held to be a derogatory word, then I would not use it, but it isn't held to be so. The term "USian "is about 50 years old apparently.

Do you disagree that calling someone a dick is widely held to be an insult?

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Brit: So, where are you guys from?
Frenchman: Europe.
Chinaman: Asia.
Belgian: Europe.
Ghanaian: Africa.
Zimbabwean: Africa.
Chilean: South America.
Vietnamese: Asia.
Canadian: North America

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Brit: So, where are you guys from?
Frenchman: Europe.
Chinaman: Asia.
Belgian: Europe.
Ghanaian: Africa.
Zimbabwean: Africa.
Chilean: South America.
Vietnamese: Asia.
Canadian: North America



Wait... we are still supposed to be repeating right?

Really. Give me an example of a person who has used USian as an insult.


I am sure many have.

Look at point #2 on this urban slang site.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=USian

Why is it so hard to take millions upon millions of people's request that you not use "American" to only refer to yourselves?

This is what is known as an impasse.

Show me a list of these millions of people.

I have been to 12 countries and talk to many people from others.

I have never heard of the term USIAN until it was mentioned here.

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Brit: So, where are you guys from?
Frenchman: Europe.
Chinaman: Asia.
Belgian: Europe.
Ghanaian: Africa.
Zimbabwean: Africa.
Chilean: South America.
Vietnamese: Asia.
Canadian: North America



Wait... we are still supposed to be repeating right?
Any Canadian coming from Quebec would say America in that example. There is no such distinction as North and South america in our school.

The term "USian "is about 50 years old apparently.


Proof please. Never heard of it before this site.....

...
That being said, any UnitedStatesian who insist to be called American can start saying français when talking about the french, svenge (sp?) when talking about swedes, and your higness, the epitome of all that is good and holy when refering to me. Otherwise, you're hypocrite.
i'll start saying français when i say it in french, otherwise, they're going to be called french. I'll start saying svenge when i'm speaking swedish, otherwise i'll call someone from sweden a swede or swedish. Same goes for any nationality. I would expect someone to call me whatever their designation is for American in their language instead of American. But since we are speaking english, i expect to be called American. (won't even touch the "your highness" thing :P)

That's true. Let's change it to Injun then. Everybody knows that term from movies.
Not necessarily...and if you say it with a certain accent, it'll sound like 'engine'...

I am sure many have.

Look at point #2 on this urban slang site.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=USian

although it seems the derogatory part of that usage is here (bolded):
You are just like every other USian, arrogant and egotistical, not like other Americans.

Yes someone used the word "USian in that sentence to insult someone but "USian" wasnt the insulting part. You may as well say that "You" was used as an insult there and should therefore not be used because someone used it in a negative sentence to describe someone once.

Why is it so hard to take millions upon millions of people's request that you not use "American" to only refer to yourselves?

This is what is known as an impasse.
so there are millions upon millions posting on this board now?

I'm not saying that American should only refer to the people of the USA, but that i want to be called American over USian. By all means, let ppl from Mexico or Canada or Brazil call themselves American... IMO, i think they would be laughed at. but they can if they want to. As i said in a different thread, people call themselves by country first, then continent. (hence you're canadian, but you're also american because you live on the North American continent).

Used by Ny Nordland in one of the Turkey threads he started.

My god...and you'll compare me to My Nordland?

I'm hurt.

But everything that comes out of his mouth...fingers...whatever...is offensive.

I am sure many have.

Look at point #2 on this urban slang site.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=USian
No, I won't, because the urban dictionary is exactly that...any sort of term a certain person uses as slang, defined. It's not a reference tool I think is appropriate for determining the insult-level of USian.