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There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.

There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian

There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)

There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it

I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian

Period. End of story.

I'm an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian. Or whatever the hell that is. If we were attached to Asia you might have a point, but not so since we aren't.

Lol, USians. There are 3 Americas, get over it.



Oh, and it's AN Usian.

You're an American, insofar as the USA is part of the American continent. Your nationality is USAmerican.

Repeat after me:
Your post is spam.
Your post is spam.

There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.

There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian

There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)

There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it

I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian

Period. End of story.

I'm an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian. Or whatever the hell that is. If we were attached to Asia you might have a point, but not so since we aren't.
No.
Kiss my ass.
That is all.

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No.
Kiss my ass.
That is all.
Ditto.

I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
Oh, so USians are a lower life form than Americans, huh?

Racist.

Those in this hemisphere have a problem with us in the US calling ourselves American, and I hafta say I agree with them. There are two Americas (three if you count Central America), so applying the term "American" to citizens of the US is a bit silly.

What's this all about? No other group of people, anywhere on Earth, call themselves Americans besides us.. there's nothing wrong with the term. If someone objects to us using the term "American," ignore them. Simple.. although I've never heard anyone object to the term..

There is a person or place called America(n)

There are multiple places called America. I do not know of any country that is called "America" though.

I'm an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian. Or whatever the hell that is. If we were attached to Asia you might have a point, but not so since we aren't.

Do you agree that Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans and so on have just as much right to call themselves Americans ?

Get over it. Both 'American' and 'USian' are reasonable terms.

The United States of America is the formal name of that country that occupies the land between Mexico and Canada. It's also popularly referred to as the US. Now, -ian or -an is a proper ending for one who comes from somewhere, read Canad-ian, Mexic-an, Americ-an. As such, it's reasonable to read US-ian as one who is from the US. It's simply a useful distinction, as America refers to two continents, with many countries therein. There's nothing derogatory about it, and trust me, if anyone wanted to degrade the US, they wouldn't need to use such veiled methods.

'American,' however, is also a reasonable term, because no other country in the Americas has the word 'America' in it's name, and historically American has been the term for those who come from the United States of America.

So like I said, they're both fine. Deal with it.

There are multiple places called America. I do not know of any country that is called "America" though.



Do you agree that Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans and so on have just as much right to call themselves Americans ?
Annd now I understand the term "USian".

Get the fuck over it DesignatedMarksman.

There is no such country as America
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I am from the United States of America, but I prefer USian. It sounds better IMHO.

Annd now I understand the term "USian".

Thank you. To rephrase my position:
- Citizen of the USA claiming he is an American: fine by me.
- Citizen of the USA claiming only people from the USA can say they are American: bullshit.

There is no such country as America


Now you're just being silly..

I'm a cupcake?

Annd now I understand the term "USian".

Get the fuck over it DesignatedMarksman.

Thanks, Ruffy. I know a lot of Latin Americans who take offense that those of us in the US call ourselves Americans, as though we rule the hemisphere. I have to admit, it is a bit arrogant.

Repeat After Me...

I am an American

No I'm not. Also, this is a pointless argument.

Mexicans must find it derogatory that they are not called USians too, because they also have "United States" in the name of their country...

In fact, why don't we start refering to Germans as FRians (Federal Republic), and Spaniards as Kingdomians?

I think "USian" outlines nicely why we call ourselves "Americans"-because no nationality is called off its initials, it really creates its 'own' rule just to make a needling point. Brazilians are more concerned that you know they are from Brazil and less concerned with the notion that you might be challenged in the subject of geography and might not know that Brazil is on one of the American continents. That the best people could come up with is USian outlines why we went with "American," there really isn't a non-ridiculous alternative, as the language goes that was the choice. Though most Americans (and this might just be a personally biased observation, or in other words ffma) refer to themselves as from the states they live in (Californian, New Yorker, etc...)

But if people want to do that, meh. It looks silly and doesn't actually work, but them some people spell color with a u, it's a big strange world.

There is no such person or place as Usia.

There is no such person as a USian


There is a person or place called America(n)


There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it


I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian

Get real guys! America is my home! The United States of America! People from The United Kindom of Great Britain, and Northern Ireland are UKians!

Eh, screw it. New idea.


There is no such country as Armenia, it is an allusion.
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There is no such country as Armenia, it is an allusion.
There is no such country as Armenia, it is an allusion.
There is no such country as Armenia, it is an allusion.
There is no such country as Armenia, it is an allusion.
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There is no such country as Armenia, it is an allusion.
There is no such country as Armenia, it is an allusion.
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There is no such country as Armenia, it is an allusion.
There is no such country as Armenia, it is an allusion.

I prefer to call myself USish.

Mexicans must find it derogatory that they are not called USians too, because they also have "United States" in the name of their country...


Good point.. :p

Although the whole argument is pretty much moot when you consider that the term "US-ian" is useless outside written communication - even if there was some way to pronounce it with some kind of euphony, no one would know what you were saying.

People from The United Kindom of Great Britain, and Northern Ireland are UKians!

How does that stop you being USian?

Im all for being able to use weird and incorrect terms for people of ANY country that people there find distasteful or derogatory. It is par for the course here. The French are frogs the brits limeys the swedes are sods and so forth.

Of all the incorrect terms for citizens of the US I like Yanks best.

I prefer to call myself USish.

Nah, you're more USesque. ;)

There is no such country as Armenia, it is an allusion.

An allusion to what?

Get real guys! America is my home! The United States of America! People from The United Kindom of Great Britain, and Northern Ireland are UKians!


See, that would work.




Except there aren't two continents called Britain, and there aren't two continents full of people who could rightfully call themselves British.

Nice try though. I'll let you know when the Worst Analogies Competition is rolling round again, you could use that.

An allusion to what?

You win the thread! :D

It feels stupid that Americans to try so hard to be politically correct. Its like a psychological disorder or something? Frequently Im reading news about America and laughing to the thing that the more politically correct you try to be the more you underline seperatism. There is a saying that dont try to fix whats not broken. If you do you break it.

Now you're just being silly..

Tell me, what country's official name is, purely and simply, "America"?

I'm afraid I can't find it on the map...

Thank you. To rephrase my position:
- Citizen of the USA claiming he is an American: fine by me.
- Citizen of the USA claiming only people from the USA can say they are American: bullshit.
Exactly. I'll say it, I'm USian.

And to clarify what I thought it meant, I used this (http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usian).

I really can't see why someone would get so damn pissy over it..

There are multiple places called America. I do not know of any country that is called "America" though.



Do you agree that Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans and so on have just as much right to call themselves Americans ?

America is the only nation that has 'America' in it's name. Noone else does. They are part of the Region known as SA/NA. They call themselves Canadians&Mexicans respectfully.

North America-Canada, Mexico, America

South America-too many to lost

Would you goofuses preferred to be called something thats actually a slur like "murken" or "amrikan."

Cry babies, grow up.

Exactly. I'll say it, I'm USian.

And to clarify what I thought it meant, I used this (http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usian).

I really can't see why someone would get so damn pissy over it..

There's a reason I named you the Great One. ;)

You win the thread! :D

Thank you, I'll be here all week.

America is the only nation that has 'America' in it's name. Noone else does. They are part of the Region known as SA/NA. They call themselves Canadians&Mexicans respectfully.

North America-Canada, Mexico, America

South America-too many to lost
Aren't we just the United State of the continent of North America?

There's a reason I named you the Great One. ;)
:D

Why thank you, thank you very much.

*cheesy elvis face look*

Would you goofuses preferred to be called something thats actually a slur like "murken" or "amrikan."

Cry babies, grow up.
Hmm, Murken is tempting.

:D

Why thank you, thank you very much.

*cheesy elvis face look*

Now when you log off, do we have to announce "Ruffy has left the building"? :p

How about 'Yankees'? It's easier to say than 'Yoo Ess Ee In'.

Would you goofuses preferred to be called something thats actually a slur like "murken" or "amrikan."

Cry babies, grow up.

Been visiting liberal forums much? ;)

In any case, I don't think I've been called an American more than a few times my entire life.. it's usually "anglo" or "guero." :p

Now when you log off, do we have to announce "Ruffy has left the building"? :p
Yes, followed by atleast 15 consperacy theory threads about how I'm still alive.

*nods*

I think I may be going soon.. the room is spinning.

There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.

There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
Ok.

There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)

There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it

I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian

Yeah...I've never even heard of a Usian before. I can't even find a way that sounds right to pernounce it. God, people gotta be more creative then that? A Usian...wtf are people thinking these days?

I wish the USians would stop spamming this thread with crap...

There are multiple places called America. I do not know of any country that is called "America" though.



Do you agree that Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans and so on have just as much right to call themselves Americans ?

No, they do not. They can say "Oh, I live in the north American continent", but if they are living in Mexico and are a Mexican citizen they are Mexican, not American. There is no gov't that controls all of NA.

Yeah...I've never even heard of a Usian before. I can't even find a way that sounds right to pernounce it. God, people gotta be more creative then that? A Usian...wtf are people thinking these days?
I thought it went "USian" as in United States + ian = USian.. am I wrong? I still say it's quite pathetic to get mad over something like this.

I think I may be going soon.. the room is spinning.

That means it's working! :D

That means it's working! :D
*hi-fives Cluich*

There is no such person or place as Usia.

...

Period. End of story.

I'm an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian. Or whatever the hell that is. If we were attached to Asia you might have a point, but not so since we aren't.

And this is coming from someone who believes that hadji is a synonym for "TOWEL HEADED GOAT HUMPER"?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11102351&postcount=14

I think this topic has become out of control.

Topic locked.

Thx

No, they do not. They can say "Oh, I live in the north American continent", but if they are living in Mexico and are a Mexican citizen they are Mexican, not American. There is no gov't that controls all of NA.

You are an...

I...

Okay. Let's go over this. There is no country of America. There is the United States of America. However, since you don't call someone from Canada a Dominionian, I'll accept you calling yourself American.

However, as Canadians, Mexicans, etc are also on the continent of America, they can call themselves Americans in the same way that Germans or Frenchmen can call themselves European.

Got it?

I think "USian" outlines nicely why we call ourselves "Americans"-because no nationality is called off its initials, ....


Actually, back in the days when there were still two German states, people from the West would refer to people from the East as "DDRler" and people from the East would call people from the West "BRDler"... so, yes, there is precedent, as they were in fact both German.

No, they do not. They can say "Oh, I live in the north American continent", but if they are living in Mexico and are a Mexican citizen they are Mexican, not American. There is no gov't that controls all of NA.

By this logic there are no Europeans, Asians, or Africas, yes?

There are multiple places called America. I do not know of any country that is called "America" though.

Do you agree that Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans and so on have just as much right to call themselves Americans ?it can be argued that Cuba is not part of the Continental United States
Canada and Mexico did not grab the name America when they got the chance (you snooze, you loose.)

And, we (The United States of America) did register the Domain name first. :D

it can be argued that Cuba is not part of the Continental United States

Yes, this can be argued quite convincingly. :p

I thought it went "USian" as in United States + ian = USian.. am I wrong? I still say it's quite pathetic to get mad over something like this.

That could be, but where I'm from I've never heard anyone ever use the term. People around here use the (much more racial, IMO) term 'chink'.

Yes, this can be argued quite convincingly. :p

I'm sold on the concept already.

I don't find the term USian offensive, it's just awkward and idiotic. We have existed with synonyms for a long time now. Readers should be able to tell when someone is refering to a person from the USA or a person from the combined continents of the Americas by the context in which the word is set.

Yes, this can be argued quite convincingly. :p
I wanna see if anyone will disagree. ;)

I don't find the term USian offensive, it's just awkward and idiotic. We have existed with synonyms for a long time now. Readers should be able to tell when someone is refering to a person from the USA or a person from the combined continents of the Americas by the context in which the word is set.

Well, it can get awkward if you have to rely on written conversation and are arguing with someone who will delibertaly misunderstand you to put you in a defensive position....

I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian


Well I personally admire DesignatedMarksman's eschewing of nationalism, and I for one congratulate him on taking this new pancontinental stand as it is the first step towards internationalism.

More people should be like him :), God bless you DM.

*hi-fives Cluich*

^5 :D

I wanna see if anyone will disagree. ;)
I do.

http://www.cuba-ny.com/
"The Cuba that's in the USA, you know, the one with the the cheese,
the block barn, the lake, the nice buildings and friendly people . . ."

I do.

http://www.cuba-ny.com/
"The Cuba that's in the USA, you know, the one with the the cheese,
the block barn, the lake, the nice buildings and friendly people . . ."
OMG! is that where we are sending all those boat people? :D :D :D

American are people who live in one of the Americas: from the north of Canada to south of Chile. USAians, Canadians, Mexicans, Ecuadorians, Venezuelians, Cubans, and many others nationalities, are all Americans.

USA wanting to be called "America" as if only it existed is just another symptom of their total egocentrism and delusion.

IN your post you said"and there aren't two continents full of people who could rightfully call themselves British."

sorry, but I must disagree with you there since at one time Britian controlled the world....what about British Columbia, British New Guinea, and so forth...

American are people who live in one of the Americas: from the north of Canada to south of Chile. USAians, Canadians, Mexicans, Ecuadorians, Venezuelians, Cubans, and many others nationalities, are all Americans.

USA wanting to be called "America" as if only it existed is just another symptom of their total egocentrism and delusion.

Or maybe...Just maybe...No other country actually cares who's called what, and can just call someone what they like to be called?

I wanna see if anyone will disagree. ;)

I don't think anybody is really arguing that you can't call yourselves American, that would be plain nasty and kind of pointless.
I think what people may try to argue, though, is that it helps to use the term "USian" to avoid confusion in written debates. It's not the best term, as word creations go, but the alternative would be to type "citizens of the US" all the time which would be a bit time comsuing. Basically, what is being said is that if you can't find an unambiguous adjective refering to your country, don't be mad if someone else comes up with a word you don't particularly like.

OMG! is that where we are sending all those boat people? :D :D :D
It's especially sad that the boat people end up in a land locked place. :( They have oars for hands for God sakes.

I don't think anybody is really arguing that you can't call yourselves American, that would be plain nasty and kind of pointless.
I think what people may try to argue, though, is that it helps to use the term "USian" to avoid confusion in written debates. It's not the best term, as word creations go, but the alternative would be to type "citizens of the US" all the time which would be a bit time comsuing. Basically, what is being said is that if you can't find an unambiguous adjective refering to your country, don't be mad if someone else comes up with a word you don't particularly like.

Confusion? I don't expect to be dealing with folks who can't handle the use of homonyms.

Well, it can get awkward if you have to rely on written conversation and are arguing with someone who will delibertaly misunderstand you to put you in a defensive position....
Deliberate misunderstanding is not a valid debate tactic. If someone does not know what you mean by "American", then you either did not make your writing clear enough or the reader is not intelligent enough to spot indicators that show how the word is being used. "American" is just like the words "mercury" and "base" in this respect.

How about we at NS General adopt the term US-Amerikaner which the Germans have given us?

American are people who live in one of the Americas: from the north of Canada to south of Chile. USAians, Canadians, Mexicans, Ecuadorians, Venezuelians, Cubans, and many others nationalities, are all Americans.

USA wanting to be called "America" as if only it existed is just another symptom of their total egocentrism and delusion.
show me another Nation in North America that has the name "America" in it.

show me any proof that the people of Canada and Mexico object to the USA being called America and their people Americans before 1970.

Otherwise, I call it a useless argument over symantecs.

How about we at NS General adopt the term US-Amerikaner which the Germans have given us?

...Although I'm also for this approach.

Confusion? I don't expect to be dealing with folks who can't handle the use of homonyms.

I came across a couple of rather incompetent debatters who took the use of the word "American" as a welcome excuse to divert from the original topic by deliberate misunderstanding the context..... it's just annoying, and using terms like "USian" helps to avoid that.

It's especially sad that the boat people end up in a land locked place. :( They have oars for hands for God sakes.
well... at least the chances of their boat sinking is minimal... ground to dust maybe, but not sinking...

but it breaks my heart to see them stuck on their plank of wood... unable to swim to safety...

Otherwise, I call it a useless argument over symantecs.

'Symantics'?

it can be argued that Cuba is not part of the Continental United States
Canada and Mexico did not grab the name America when they got the chance (you snooze, you loose.)

And, we (The United States of America) did register the Domain name first. :D


:D

I came across a couple of rather incompetent debatters who took the use of the word "American" as a welcome excuse to divert from the original topic by deliberate misunderstanding the context..... it's just annoying, and using terms like "USian" helps to avoid that.

Or, you can just avoid those paticular posters all together.

'Symantics'?
yep dat word.

And this is coming from someone who believes that hadji is a synonym for "TOWEL HEADED GOAT HUMPER"?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11102351&postcount=14

In all fairness, Hadji IS used to decribe your usual run of the mill insurgent. Ever see Dirka dirka dirka Hadji girl?

Or, you can just avoid those paticular posters all together.

Or I could try and make myself as clear as possible in everything I say...

But I have to admit that I normally don't use the term USian, but rather go the long way around using the term "citizens of the US". Either way, it's a bit awkward.

yep dat word.

It is an argument about the makers of anti-virus software?

You are an...

I...

Okay. Let's go over this. There is no country of America. There is the United States of America. However, since you don't call someone from Canada a Dominionian, I'll accept you calling yourself American.

However, as Canadians, Mexicans, etc are also on the continent of America, they can call themselves Americans in the same way that Germans or Frenchmen can call themselves European.

Got it?

The United States of America....Also known as, america. Whenever I travel abroad and I'm asked where I'm from I just say America, and people know what I say.

If there was a Nation in Europe named Europe there would be a problem, but since there isn't, it's not a problem.

I swear, us Americans must be the most Picky about defending our country.....

Or I could try and make myself as clear as possible in everything I say...

But I have to admit that I normally don't use the term USian, but rather go the long way around using the term "citizens of the US". Either way, it's a bit awkward.

If it's deliberate misunderstanding, why make the effort for them?

It is an argument about the makers of anti-virus software?

Duh. Haven't you been paying attention?

If it's deliberate misunderstanding, why make the effort for them?

Why make it any easier for them?

The United States of America....Also known as, america. Whenever I travel abroad and I'm asked where I'm from I just say America, and people know what I say.

It's the accent.

In all fairness, Hadji IS used to decribe your usual run of the mill insurgent. Ever see Dirka dirka dirka Hadji girl?

What is 'Dirka dirka dirka Hadji girl'?

well... at least the chances of their boat sinking is minimal... ground to dust maybe, but not sinking...

but it breaks my heart to see them stuck on their plank of wood... unable to swim to safety...
It's a pitiful sight, watching them move their planks in small circles on the lawn.

Why make it any easier for them?

Which really just returns me to ignoring them, as the debate likely isn't worth the time....

So... do I pronounce USian as 'you-ess-ee-en' or 'uss-ee-en'?

It is an argument about the makers of anti-virus software?
I consider derogatory terms and most lables to be a virus... don't you?

oh and the company is called SYMANTECS (http://www.symantec.com/index.htm)

Which really just returns me to ignoring them, as the debate likely isn't worth the time....

*lol
Very few online debates are ever worth the time. :D
I guess what we're talking about here is my genetically imprinted German desire to get everything as clear and unambiguous as possible to avoid confusions right from the start...

In all fairness, Hadji IS used to decribe your usual run of the mill insurgent. Ever see Dirka dirka dirka Hadji girl?
I always thought Haji was Johnny Quest's friend. :cool:

*lol
Very few online debates are ever worth the time. :D
I guess what we're talking about here is my genetically imprinted German desire to get everything as clear and unambiguous as possible to avoid confusions right from the start...
wha? I don't understand.

*Ducks and runs* :D

Which really just returns me to ignoring them, as the debate likely isn't worth the time....
Look at the OP, it's pointless shit.

Check ya later

*makes hippy peace hand guesture*

wha? I don't understand.

*Ducks and runs* :D

*searches for Eutrusca's trout*

I've got it here somewhere, just you wait till I find it... :p

I always thought Haji was Johnny Quest's friend. :cool:
I never liked Johnny Quest. I hate anybody that befriends people who are obviously terrorists.

*searches for Eutrusca's trout*

I've got it here somewhere, just you wait till I find it... :p

Use this:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/DrkHelmet/Forum%20Pictures/ultima.gif

*searches for Eutrusca's trout*

I've got it here somewhere, just you wait till I find it... :p

What kind of trout is it anyways?

*searches for Eutrusca's trout*

I've got it here somewhere, just you wait till I find it... :p
Pssst, look in the junk food thread :)

Why don't we just say "US American"? It doesn't sound so ridiculous, and it's more accurate than just "American" or "USian", really.

I never liked Johnny Quest. I hate anybody that befriends people who are obviously terrorists.

*makes mental note to stay away from the forum after having washed her hair and wrapped a towel round her head*

I always thought Haji was Johnny Quest's friend. :cool:
That show was brilliant.

*makes mental note to stay away from the forum after having washed her hair and wrapped a towel round her head*
In my house: there are no towels.

*searches for Eutrusca's trout*

I've got it here somewhere, just you wait till I find it... :p
psst... Smiley Vault (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=486497)
waitaminute...

*runs faster.*

Does everybody else here apart from me know what "Dirka dirka dirka Hadji girl" is?

*makes mental note to stay away from the forum after having washed her hair and wrapped a towel round her head*
yah, come over to my place when you do that... ;)

tho hawaii is rather far to go to wash your hair...

In my house: there are no towels.
Just a bible and bunch of white sheets, eh?

Does everybody else here apart from me know what "Dirka dirka dirka Hadji girl" is?

At first I thought it was something from Team America: World Police, but if it is I have absolutely no memory of it.

psst... Smiley Vault (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=486497)
waitaminute...

*runs faster.*

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9666/smileytroutsmack28cg.gif

Hah! Gottcha!!! :p

yah, come over to my place when you do that... ;)

tho hawaii is rather far to go to wash your hair...

But I bet it would dry real quick in the sun there... so no towels needed :D

In my house: there are no towels.
Dude, how can you live without a towel. They're the most useful things ever!

Dude, how can you live without a towel. They're the most useful things ever!

Indeed. You can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta.

But I bet it would dry real quick in the sun there... so no towels needed :D

Dare I say, even better?

No.
Kiss my ass.
That is all.

And this is coming from another American? Do you like being called a "USian"? :rolleyes:

'Symantics'?

Semantics, I would think. ;) Unless we mean the company that puts out Norton AV?

That said, I strongly dislike the appellation "USian." This is not the way I, and most US citizens (which is an acceptable title) refer to ourselves.

It's just as annoying as the woman at work who insists on calling me Linda. Linda is a perfectly good name, I admit, but it's not MY name. It never HAS been my name, and it never WILL be my name. Same for all those who've called me variations on Laurie, Lorraine, Loretta, Lauren etc. etc. ad nauseum.

Indeed. You can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta.
Not to mention it's uses a weapon, just look at almost any locker room in existance.

Semantics, I would think. ;) Unless we mean the company that puts out Norton AV?

That said, I strongly dislike the appellation "USian." This is not the way I, and most US citizens (which is an acceptable title) refer to ourselves.

It's just as annoying as the woman at work who insists on calling me Linda. Linda is a perfectly good name, I admit, but it's not MY name. It never HAS been my name, and it never WILL be my name. Same for all those who've called me variations on Laurie, Lorraine, Loretta, Lauren etc. etc. ad nauseum.
You mean your name isn't really Katganistan :confused:

But I bet it would dry real quick in the sun there... so no towels needed :D
huh? sorry, I was just imaging you coming out of the shower without a towel and...

...

...

...

(drools some more)

You mean your name isn't really Katganistan :confused:

Aye, that's what I thought.

huh? sorry, I was just imaging you coming out of the shower without a towel and...

...

...

...

(drools some more)

And, you can use towels to mop up drool puddles!

Semantics, I would think. ;) Unless we mean the company that puts out Norton AV?

That said, I strongly dislike the appellation "USian." This is not the way I, and most US citizens (which is an acceptable title) refer to ourselves.

It's just as annoying as the woman at work who insists on calling me Linda. Linda is a perfectly good name, I admit, but it's not MY name. It never HAS been my name, and it never WILL be my name. Same for all those who've called me variations on Laurie, Lorraine, Loretta, Lauren etc. etc. ad nauseum.the company is Symantecs... and since that's what I'm installling on all the pc's at work right now... that spelling just got stuck in my head. :headbang:

huh? sorry, I was just imaging you coming out of the shower without a towel and...

...

...

...

(drools some more)

I guess I best wrap myself in some... suntan lotion then. :p ;)

I guess I best wrap myself in some... suntan lotion then. :p ;)

How will you get those hard to reach places?

How will you get those hard to reach places?

Huh... good question. A towel won't be much use there. Any USians who could help me? ;)

How will you get those hard to reach places?
with assistance of course...

allow me...

How will you get those hard to reach places?
With the use of my flexible fingers. :)

Aye, that's what I thought.
In all honesty, I figured her name was Katherine, or something like that.

In all honesty, I figured her name was Katherine, or something like that.

I somehow assumed the same...

In all honesty, I figured her name was Katherine, or something like that.

*opens notepad*

Aye, that's what the list says...Czardas got something wrong!?!

Lol, USians. There are 3 Americas, get over it.

Oh, and it's AN Usian.

You Brits have a sense of humor!

You Brits have a sense of humor!

I figured you'd have to to use words like "bollocks".

We've been called Americans for 237 years. Why replace it? I'm not a USian, (and yes it is "a" USian. It's pronounced "Yoo ess ee an.") I'm not a USman, and I'm not a USer. I'm an American. And for the sake of avoiding confusion, it's easier if just those from the United States of America use it. If you're from one of the other Americas, use "North American" or "South American" or "Central American." "American" has referred to a person from the USA for hundreds of years, and I see no reason to change it now.

Lol, USians. There are 3 Americas, get over it.

Oh, and it's AN Usian.
No, all that accomplishes is to make YOU look like an idiot. YOU get over it! :D

I somehow assumed the same...
Great minds usw.

You mean your name isn't really Katganistan :confused:

No, it is. ;) Which is why Linda, Lauren, Laurie, Loretta, Lorraine et al are just not right. ;)

Great minds usw.

Hey, I thought that too!

What's this all about? No other group of people, anywhere on Earth, call themselves Americans besides us.. there's nothing wrong with the term. If someone objects to us using the term "American," ignore them. Simple.. although I've never heard anyone object to the term..
No? Jeeze, there are all SORTS of idiots on here who object to our calling ourselves what we want to call ourselves and what we HAVE been calling ourselves for about 100 years. Strange you haven't noticed them. :)

There are multiple places called America. I do not know of any country that is called "America" though.

Do you agree that Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans and so on have just as much right to call themselves Americans ?
Ony if they're naturalized. :p

No, it is. ;) Which is why Linda, Lauren, Laurie, Loretta, Lorraine et al are just not right. ;)

...You associate with some weird people...And not just us here on NS.

No, all that accomplishes is to make YOU look like an idiot. YOU get over it! :D
Yes, cos bitching and moaning about people calling you an USian makes you look wonderfully mature and wise.

We've been called Americans for 237 years.

You've been called colonials longer then that though ;)

Get over it. Both 'American' and 'USian' are reasonable terms.

The United States of America is the formal name of that country that occupies the land between Mexico and Canada. It's also popularly referred to as the US. Now, -ian or -an is a proper ending for one who comes from somewhere, read Canad-ian, Mexic-an, Americ-an. As such, it's reasonable to read US-ian as one who is from the US. It's simply a useful distinction, as America refers to two continents, with many countries therein. There's nothing derogatory about it, and trust me, if anyone wanted to degrade the US, they wouldn't need to use such veiled methods.

'American,' however, is also a reasonable term, because no other country in the Americas has the word 'America' in it's name, and historically American has been the term for those who come from the United States of America.

So like I said, they're both fine. Deal with it.
Bullshit. The only reason anyone tries to force Americans to call themselves some bogus, trumped-up term is to be derogatory. Too bad you're not honest enough to admit it. :)

Hey, I thought that too!
We are all so damn smart :)

There is no such country as America
There is no such country as America
There is no such country as America
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There is no such country as America
There is no such country as America
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I am from the United States of America, but I prefer USian. It sounds better IMHO.
Simply repeating an untruth does not render it any the less an untruth.

It doesn't sound better, look better, or feel better. It's bogus, derogatory, and idiotic.

You've been called colonials longer then that though ;)

No, I'm fairly sure that died out by the 19th century. :p

No, I'm fairly sure that died out by the 19th century. :p

Trust me, it didn't. :)

In all honesty, I figured her name was Katherine, or something like that.


You're partially right. I've RP'd both online and off before (though really, not on NS) and a character I've played for probably 12 years now is named Katherine -- so I adopted that as my online name.

Thanks, Ruffy. I know a lot of Latin Americans who take offense that those of us in the US call ourselves Americans, as though we rule the hemisphere. I have to admit, it is a bit arrogant.
God. It has nothing to do with arrogance and everything to do with people who live in the USA calling ourselves what we want to call ourselves and what we have called ourselves for almost 200 years. We're not going to change just to suit some dim-bulb who thinks someone somewhere might maybe possibly be offended. It's nothing more than PC BS run amuck.

Actually the US Constitution describes a person from the US as a "Citizen of the United States" or as a "US Citizen." Neither USian nor American is technically correct.

Ony if they're naturalized. :p
Are you saying Canada and Mexico are not on the North America continent?

How does that stop you being USian?
How does that stop you from being a total idiot?

Are you saying Canada and Mexico are not on the North America continent?

Well, if we make the wall big enough...

You're partially right. I've RP'd both online and off before (though really, not on NS) and a character I've played for probably 12 years now is named Katherine -- so I adopted that as my online name.
My skills of deduction know no rival.

lol semantics...

Americanii

Bullshit. The only reason anyone tries to force Americans to call themselves some bogus, trumped-up term is to be derotatory. Too bad you're not honest enough to admit it. :)

How the hell is it derogatory?

How does that stop you from being a total idiot?
How does that answer the question?

Are you saying Canada and Mexico are not on the North America continent?

Precisely. North American continent. By the logic of those pushing the "USian" term, there's no continent called America, so they'd have to call themselves North Americans. That's by their logic, of course. :p

There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.

Don't let it bother you.

This is as clever as these people get.

Sad, actually.

You're partially right. I've RP'd both online and off before (though really, not on NS) and a character I've played for probably 12 years now is named Katherine -- so I adopted that as my online name.

...12 years?

Yes, cos bitching and moaning about people calling you an USian makes you look wonderfully mature and wise.
Like I give a shit.

No matter WHAT I say or do, there are going to be dipshits on here who call me names, make veiled allusions to my age, my having had cancer, my having been in the military, and my being an American. Do your worst, oh ye of limited comprehension.

[ invites Ifreann to go perform an impossible act upon their own body ]

How the hell is it derogatory?

How the hell are ******, spic, yellow, cracker, fag or any other of those disgusting terms derogatory? Because they're found to be of offense by the group which they describe.

Precisely. North American continent. By the logic of those pushing the "USian" term, there's no continent called America, so they'd have to call themselves North Americans. That's by their logic, of course. :p
Well there is the convienience aspect too. I could refer to people from the US as Meiricanaigh, but nobody would understand me. I could call them Americans, but that opens the door to ambiguity and someone being an asshat. USian won't be confused with anything else, it will be understood by everyone.

Like I give a shit.

No matter WHAT I say or do, there are going to be dipshits on here who call me names, make veiled allusions to my age, my having had cancer, my having been in the military, and my being an American. Do your worst, oh ye of limited comprehension.

[ invites Ifreann to go perform an impossible act upon their own body ]

Well, if you'd rather I'd make direct allusions to your age. Celtlund is the only other option for those sorts of things.

...12 years?

Yep. Older than I post, I guess. ;)

(Played Vampire: the Masquerade from the second, hardbacked edition....)

There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.
There is no such person or place as Usia.

There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian
There is no such person as a USian

There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)
There is a person or place called America(n)

There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it
There is a place called the US, and there is no ian after it

I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian
I am an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian

Period. End of story.

I'm an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian. Or whatever the hell that is. If we were attached to Asia you might have a point, but not so since we aren't.

The United States of America isn't the only America you dick.
I live in Canada, wait, that's North America!
Most of your immigrants are coming from South America!
Since when did the United States of America own all rights to America?

US Citizen works right nicely now, in my personal opinion.

Are you saying Canada and Mexico are not on the North America continent?
LOL! You really do have problems, don't ya! :D

The United States of America isn't the only America you dick.
I live in Canada, wait, that's North America!
Most of your immigrants are coming from South America!
Since when did the United States of America own all rights to America?

...Since Manifest Destiny? I dunno...

My skills of deduction know no rival.
True, but that's because no one else is competing for last place.

The United States of America isn't the only America you dick.
I live in Canada, wait, that's North America!
Most of your immigrants are coming from South America!
Since when did the United States of America own all rights to America?

Wow and I thought you guys called yourself Canadian. Never heard one say "I'm North American"

I have yet to hear one South American refer to themselves as American let alone South American.

How does that answer the question?
There WAS no question. There was only the attempt to force American citizens to call themselves something other than what they have chosen to call themselves.

The United States of America isn't the only America you dick.
I live in Canada, wait, that's North America!
Most of your immigrants are coming from South America!
Since when did the United States of America own all rights to America?
At the time when the term "American" was adopted the only independent country on North or South America was the US. It was adopted partially to denote the residents of this country as different from those in the British colonies to the North, the French colonies to the west or the Spanish colonies to the south.

The United States of America isn't the only America you dick.
I live in Canada, wait, that's North America!
Most of your immigrants are coming from South America!
Since when did the United States of America own all rights to America?

Fine. From now on we call you Provincials. Since when did the provinces own all rights to Canada?

Like I give a shit.

No matter WHAT I say or do, there are going to be dipshits on here who call me names, make veiled allusions to my age, my having had cancer, my having been in the military, and my being an American. Do your worst, oh ye of limited comprehension.

[ invites Ifreann to go perform an impossible act upon their own body ]
Well then what makes you think I give a shit if you think I'm an idiot? I find the term USian convienient and unambiguous, and I plan to use it until I see that it causes more trouble than it's worth.

Fine. From now on we call you Provincials. Since when did the provinces own all rights to Canada?

Alright, Statesy.

How the hell are ******, spic, yellow, cracker, fag or any other of those disgusting terms derogatory? Because they're found to be of offense by the group which they describe.

Sorry, I may have come across a bit strong there. I didn't mean to across quite so pugnacious. I just cannot see why people would get with the term.

Anyway, the difference is that those terms are designed, and are by their very nature, pejorative term intended to cause offence. And have a long history of being offensive.

"USian," in my mind, was not intended as an offensive word and the fact that it is by some is accidental. It was intended to be a more accurate moniker for a citizen of the United State of America.

(Though I think I should my my feeling of "USian" explicit here. I think it is a rather clunky and stupid word.)

No, what's sad is that you try to disguise your self-loathing under the banner of PC attempts to force people to conform to your own small-minded, twisted, demented ideas about what they "should" do, be or say.


I against the term Usian, or can you not read, bro?

And now... for my two cents.

I find that while USian is not derogatory, it is silly. It serves no other purpose than to attempt to stir up the slow-witted into such a tizzy that they cannot speak nor think coherently.

To that end, I find "American" to be the appropriate term, as it refers to citizens of The United States of America. We do the same with the United Mexican States. We call the citizens of that government Mexicans. We do not call the UMians or UMSians. We do the same with the Republic of Estonia, calling the citizens of said republic Estonians.

Why is the United States of America suddenly the exception rather than the rule?

To say that citizens of other countries in the western hemisphere want to go around calling themselves Americans - well, I've never seen it. Usually they go by Canadian, Mexican, Chilean, Brazillian, ad infinitum.

Well then what makes you think I give a shit if you think I'm an idiot? I find the term USian convienient and unambiguous, and I plan to use it until I see that it causes more trouble than it's worth.
Oooooo! You are in serious need of a head-space and timing check, little person.

Oooooo! You are in serious need of a head-space and timing check, little person.
Meh, I probably am. Well, these things happen.

I against the term Usian, or can you not read, bro?
My mistake then. I must have misread your earlier post. A thousand pardons.

My mistake then. I must have misread your earlier post. A thousand pardons.


No problem.

Still love you baby.

I did use the term American but I now intend to use the term USian to protest this arrogant spam.

Fine. From now on we call you Provincials. Since when did the provinces own all rights to Canada?

Ew! I like that! :D

I did use the term American but I now intend to use the term USian to protest this arrogant spam.
Well THAT certainly makes sense! LMAO! :D

Here's for all the crybabies out there in the US-of-A:

Too many teardrops for one heart to be cryin'
Too many teardrops for one heart
To carry on
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry, now
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry
Ninety-six tears c'mon and lemme hear you cry, now
Ninety-six tears (whoo!) I wanna hear you cry
Night and day, yeah, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears cry cry cry
C'mon baby, let me hear you cry now, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears! Yeah! C'mon now
Uh-ninety-six tears!

And now... for my two cents.

I find that while USian is not derogatory, it is silly. It serves no other purpose than to attempt to stir up the slow-witted into such a tizzy that they cannot speak nor think coherently.

To that end, I find "American" to be the appropriate term, as it refers to citizens of The United States of America. We do the same with the United Mexican States. We call the citizens of that government Mexicans. We do not call the UMians or UMSians. We do the same with the Republic of Estonia, calling the citizens of said republic Estonians.

Why is the United States of America suddenly the exception rather than the rule?

To say that citizens of other countries in the western hemisphere want to go around calling themselves Americans - well, I've never seen it. Usually they go by Canadian, Mexican, Chilean, Brazillian, ad infinitum.

Hear! Hear! No more of this logic in my thread or I'll sick katslappistan on you!

Someone explain to a poor fool like me:

a.) why the term 'USian' is considered derogatory?

and

b.) the whole 'Dirka dirka dirka Hadji girl' malarky.

TIA.

Granted, it is stupid for someone to say "USian," someone who does is acting like a dunce.

However, it is worse for someone to have a fit about it, someone who does that is acting more like a dunce.

Who wants to be a dunce?

Its a good thing these crybabies werent around during world war two, or the point might be moot.

We've been called Americans for 237 years. Why replace it? I'm not a USian, (and yes it is "a" USian. It's pronounced "Yoo ess ee an.") I'm not a USman, and I'm not a USer. I'm an American. And for the sake of avoiding confusion, it's easier if just those from the United States of America use it. If you're from one of the other Americas, use "North American" or "South American" or "Central American." "American" has referred to a person from the USA for hundreds of years, and I see no reason to change it now.

Do you use the native terms for people from other countries, or do you use the English forms?

90% of my fellow Americans/USians who are making a stink on this thread are just plain hypocrites.

To that end, I find "American" to be the appropriate term, as it refers to citizens of The United States of America. We do the same with the United Mexican States. We call the citizens of that government Mexicans. We do not call the UMians or UMSians. We do the same with the Republic of Estonia, calling the citizens of said republic Estonians.

Why is the United States of America suddenly the exception rather than the rule?

Well, the United States of Mexico does actually unite the states of Mexico so you can easily use either term to describe them. The USA on the other hand doesn't unite the states of America. The fact that Mexico is also comprised of united states, hence other united states of America tells you why the name is potentially problematic. So IMO it's a bit arrogant to claim all rights to the name 'American' on the basis of a poorly thought out country name. Accepted usage is a fair reason, but if enough people use USian then the same rationale would apply to that name too.

Someone explain to a poor fool like me:

a.) why the term 'USian' is considered derogatory?

and

b.) the whole 'Dirka dirka dirka Hadji girl' malarky.

TIA.

It's akin to me repeatedly calling you Susan when I know your name is really Barbara. It's annoying, even though Barbara is a perfectly lovely name, because it is not the name that applies to you.

It's akin to me repeatedly calling you Susan when I know your name is really Barbara. It's annoying, even though Barbara is a perfectly lovely name, because it is not the name that applies to you.


I dont believe that annoying is the same as derogatory or offensive.

It is certainly annoying, and small-minded, but not one hair more than whining about it is annoying and small-minded.

Simply repeating an untruth does not render it any the less an untruth.

It doesn't sound better, look better, or feel better. It's bogus, derogatory, and idiotic.

Oh, so there is a country officially called, simply, "America"?

Could you point it out to me on a map? I don't seem to be able to find it...

I dont believe that annoying is the same as derogatory or offensive.

It is certainly annoying, and small-minded, but not one hair more than whining about it is annoying and small-minded.

I disagree. I wouldn't have made an entire thread on the subject, but now that the thread is here, it is certainly worth pointing out the irritation of the habit. I also don't know whether I would jump straight to 'derogatory' or 'offensive', but it is terribly annoying.

NG, if someone at worked repeatedly called you Steve (or Michael, if your name is Steve), would you point it out to that person that that is not your name and attempt to get him/her to call you by your correct name?

To that end, I find "American" to be the appropriate term, as it refers to citizens of The United States of America. We do the same with the United Mexican States. We call the citizens of that government Mexicans. We do not call the UMians or UMSians. We do the same with the Republic of Estonia, calling the citizens of said republic Estonians.

The difference, of course, being that neither Mexico nor Estonia are trying to claim the name of their respective continents for themselves.

It's akin to me repeatedly calling you Susan when I know your name is really Barbara. It's annoying, even though Barbara is a perfectly lovely name, because it is not the name that applies to you.
No...it's not.

USian is an abbrievated form of the actual name, Barbara is just another random name plucked from thin air.

If you started calling someone "Suse" when you know she preferred "Susan" it would be somewhat akin.

I dont believe that annoying is the same as derogatory or offensive.

It is certainly annoying, and small-minded, but not one hair more than whining about it is annoying and small-minded.

Ok, New Ganda. ;)

Oh, so there is a country officially called, simply, "America"?

Could you point it out to me on a map? I don't seem to be able to find it...

Please point out the country officially called "Congo". And yet, we have the Congolese people.

How about 'Yankees'? It's easier to say than 'Yoo Ess Ee In'.

As a baseball fan, I find that name unacceptible. :D

I disagree. I wouldn't have made an entire thread on the subject, but now that the thread is here, it is certainly worth pointing out the irritation of the habit. I also don't know whether I would jump straight to 'derogatory' or 'offensive', but it is terribly annoying.

NG, if someone at worked repeatedly called you Steve (or Michael, if your name is Steve), would you point it out to that person that that is not your name and attempt to get him/her to call you by your correct name?


A lot of things in the world are annoying and perhaps the problem here is a thin skin.

If someone on an internet forum insisted on calling me Steve, I can't say that I would be inclined to respond to anything he wrote or even to read it.

No...it's not.

USian is an abbrievated form of the actual name, Barbara is just another random name plucked from thin air.

If you started calling someone "Suse" when you know she preferred "Susan" it would be somewhat akin.


See, now you're just being annoying.
You know that people object, and yet you insist on using it. Not only that, but then you and others, when told politely that people object continue to use it just to be annoying.

I'll just call you UKky now. It's an abbreviated form of the actual name.

Ok, New Ganda. ;)

Katslapped.

The difference, of course, being that neither Mexico nor Estonia are trying to claim the name of their respective continents for themselves.

It has nothing to do with claiming two continents. None of us are trying to claim that we own all of two continents. The United States of America happens to be the name of our country. To that end, we like being referred to as "Americans" as that is the country of which we are citizens. When you call us USians, you are actually calling us United Statesians, and there are several countries which use variations of the term United States with reference to their countries.

Please point out the country officially called "Congo". And yet, we have the Congolese people.
Yes and it refers to people from both the Congo and DRC, not just to whichever one felt it should apply to solely.

....

b.) the whole 'Dirka dirka dirka Hadji girl' malarky.

TIA.
Prepare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirka_dirka) to be depressed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTh9ZYS6Flc).

Please point out the country officially called "Congo". And yet, we have the Congolese people.

Again, you miss the point.

Congo isn't the name of two continents being claimed by one people.

It's a completely different thing. It's a nationality of people who use a name that can only apply to their two countries.

American is a nationality that can apply to two whole continents, and is being claimed solely by one country.

Yes and it refers to people from both the Congo and DRC, not just to whichever one felt it should apply to solely.

True, true. However, none of the other countries on the North or South American continents (or anywhere else that comes to mind) uses the word "America" or any variation therof in their names. Therefore, "America" is unique to the United States of America, and using "American" to refer to ourselves is proper.

It has nothing to do with claiming two continents. None of us are trying to claim that we own all of two continents. The United States of America happens to be the name of our country. To that end, we like being referred to as "Americans" as that is the country of which we are citizens. When you call us USians, you are actually calling us United Statesians, and there are several countries which use variations of the term United States with reference to their countries.

And now you're in the point where you assume I call you USians, and that I agree with the name.

Wrong assumption.

The issue is not that you're claiming two continents, it's that you're claiming for yourselves a name that applies to two continents.

I could start a country called the Republic of Europe. Have just Northern Ireland in it. But called the Republic of Europe. Would that mean I would be able to call myself a European, and argue that nobody else in Europe (outside of the Republic) call themselves that?

Again, you miss the point.

Congo isn't the name of two continents being claimed by one people.

It's a completely different thing. It's a nationality of people who use a name that can only apply to their two countries.

American is a nationality that can apply to two whole continents, and is being claimed solely by one country.

How typically UKky.

And now you're in the point where you assume I call you USians, and that I agree with the name.

Wrong assumption.

The issue is not that you're claiming two continents, it's that you're claiming for yourselves a name that applies to two continents.

I could start a country called the Republic of Europe. Have just Northern Ireland in it. But called the Republic of Europe. Would that mean I would be able to call myself a European, and argue that nobody else in Europe (outside of the Republic) call themselves that?

When was it argued no other country's people could refer to themselves as American?

When was it argued no other country's people could refer to themselves as American?

I'm missing that one too, Dinaverg.

How typically UKky.
British does just fine, as there aren't two continents who could legitimately be called Britain, or British. That's the distinction many seem to be either ignoring or just plain not grasping.

How typically UKky.

...Would that be pronounced like "yucky", or is it just "ucky". Or maybe "U-K-kee"?

When was it argued no other country's people could refer to themselves as American?

It's implied, rather than stated.

British does just fine, as there aren't two continents who could legitimately be called Britain, or British. That's the distinction many seem to be either ignoring or just plain not grasping.

There aren't any called America, either. There's NORTH America, and SOUTH America, and to some CENTRAL America, but no plane old America. Since it typically denotes something belonging to the United States, American is assumed to mean just that. It's cumberson and confusing to use USian and the like, not to mention that it sounds rediculous when spoken.

The issue is not that you're claiming two continents, it's that you're claiming for yourselves a name that applies to two continents.

Ok, I'll focus on that for a second. America is not the name of two continents. The names of the two continents are North America and South America. Therefore, the people can easily say North American or South American, and it will be easily discernable that they are speaking of continents rather than a country.

I could start a country called the Republic of Europe. Have just Northern Ireland in it. But called the Republic of Europe. Would that mean I would be able to call myself a European, and argue that nobody else in Europe (outside of the Republic) call themselves that?

First off, if you make a country, I want to be your Secretary of Defense. Second, it's not really applicable. America is not the same as North America or South America.

It's implied, rather than stated.

Well, I never got that. It's this thing called a homonym. As per usual, Wiki knows all. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homonym)

First off, if you make a country, I want to be your Secretary of Defense.

I want to be something important too! :D

There aren't any called America, either. There's NORTH America, and SOUTH America, and to some CENTRAL America, but no plane old America.

That's beside the point; somebody from North or South America could legitimately call themselves Americans.

Since it typically denotes something belonging to the United States, American is assumed to mean just that.

By some.

It's cumberson and confusing to use USian and the like, not to mention that it sounds rediculous when spoken.
Yup. You, like Galloism, are assuming I'm advocating its use.

I'm an American, not some lesser form of life known as a USian. Or whatever the hell that is. If we were attached to Asia you might have a point, but not so since we aren't.
Who gives a shit? Only a few people on the internet use this "USian" word. It's easier to type than American.

Yup. You, like Galloism, are assuming I'm advocating its use.

Question then: what are you advocating?

That's beside the point; somebody from North or South America could legitimately call themselves Americans.

Umm...yeah...they can. As can someboddy from the USA. See how everything works out? I think it's pasta time...

No.
Kiss my ass.
That is all.
Wow, a USian who likes being called a USian - this is a first!

Ok, I'll focus on that for a second. America is not the name of two continents. The names of the two continents are North America and South America. Therefore, the people can easily say North American or South American, and it will be easily discernable that they are speaking of continents rather than a country.

America is not the name of a country. The United States of America is the name of a country. You can easily say United Statesian, so it will be easily discernable that you are talking of a country rather than the continents.



First off, if you make a country, I want to be your Secretary of Defense.

Sounds good to me.

Second, it's not really applicable. America is not the same as North America or South America.
And it's not the same as the United States of America.

Wow, a USian who likes being called a USian - this is a first!

Hey, it beats the hell out of Yankee.

Well, I never got that. It's this thing called a homonym. As per usual, Wiki knows all. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homonym)

Nothing to do with homonyms.

"We are Americans" being used to denote citizens of the United States of America implies that those who aren't citizens of the United States of America aren't Americans.

And all of the UK is English, right?

I want to be something important too! :D

Secretary of...Internet Sleaze? It's an honourable position.

Question then: what are you advocating?
The ending of my boredom through pointless internet arguing and Devil's Advocacy.

And all of the UK is English, right?
Come on, Kat, even you should be able to see what a crappy analogy that is.

America is not the name of a country. The United States of America is the name of a country. You can easily say United Statesian, so it will be easily discernable that you are talking of a country rather than the continents.

Perhaps, but several countries on this planet use variations of the term "United States" in their country names. It could (probably wouldn't, but could) be confusing to people, whom would need to then ask you "United States of what?" This would probably not confuse any but the simplest minded people on the planet, but the same can be said for plain "American".


And it's not the same as the United States of America.

True.

Nothing to do with homonyms.

"We are Americans" being used to denote citizens of the United States of America implies that those who aren't citizens of the United States of America aren't Americans.

They aren't Americans, but they are Americans. <-- (Use of homonyms)

The ending of my boredom through pointless internet arguing and Devil's Advocacy.

Hey, that's my gig! Thief!

Secretary of...Internet Sleaze? It's an honourable position.

...Will that be the official title?

The ending of my boredom through pointless internet arguing and Devil's Advocacy.

Yay boredom ending! The random article Wiki button works well to such an end...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_and_professional_cricketers

Perhaps, but several countries on this planet use variations of the term "United States" in their country names. It could (probably wouldn't, but could) be confusing to people, whom would need to then ask you "United States of what?" This would probably not confuse any but the simplest minded people on the planet, but the same can be said for plain "American".

That would be why I said you could use it, rather than that you should use it.

They aren't Americans, but they are Americans. <-- (Use of homonyms)
But it's never* used like that...outside of this thread.





*may be hyperbole.

...Will that be the official title?

Yes.

Complete with ellipsis.

Yay boredom ending! The random article Wiki button works well to such an end...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_and_professional_cricketers

Cricket is meant to end my boredom?

I think you may be a little confused :p

But it's never* used like that...outside of this thread.





*may be hyperbole.

...Is that because most people are actually content with us being Americans and them being Mexican/Canadian/Argentinian/Cuban/Nicaruaguan etc.

British does just fine, as there aren't two continents who could legitimately be called Britain, or British. That's the distinction many seem to be either ignoring or just plain not grasping.

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_MAPS/0_map_europe_political_2001_enlarged.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/1_MAP/1_map_europe_2001_enlarged.htm&h=1444&w=1120&sz=195&tbnid=xtiI85JxWxaETM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmap%2Beurope&start=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1
http://www.hotels-travel-map.com/Europe.gif
http://www.infoplease.com/atlas/europe.html

And where does Britain appear on these maps?

But of course people would be insulted, and rightly so, if they were told they could not refer to themselves as British, correct? That they could only be UKky, or Irelanders, or Walesians or Englanders, or Scotlandites because hey, that's a form of their name on the map.

Yes.

Complete with ellipsis.

...Do I get a plaque?