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America was still sleeping....

Prove that that actually happened, please.
It's in John Keegan's book, 'The Face of Battle'.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0844671266/sr=8-3/qid=1149793079/ref=pd_bbs_3/102-9268944-2668159?%5Fencoding=UTF8

He's a world reknowned historian. He has a whole chapter on atrocities, and why men commit them.

I'm sure you would have. My slam was a backhand against DK's earlier statement of his personal conviction that self-defense trumps all.

:)

I got that.

I was just thinking - when you said 'other people in the store'... there are conditions under which I definitely would have acted differently.

I'm still not convinced about the 'watched-too-much-Rambo' standing there, letting a group of enemy soldiers shoot at me, though.

That just sounds like someone trying to compensate for something.

Aren't you the guy who is hidden in the basement with a gun waiting for the islamists terrorists to invade your farm?
Nope.

If you would like to see the DD214, I would be glad to have it released to you.

Along with a picture of you holding it in your hands, as released to you, and undisputable evidence that the person in the picture and named on the form is actually you. A social security number would help.

No matter, though. Some day you will die of natural causes and your military records will fall into the public domain under the FOIA. We'll find out then.

Judging from every other Vet on these forums and their attitudes on war and "the enemy", I cannot believe you ever even saw the first day of Basic.

You *act* like an angry teenager. Actions speak louder than words.

*chuckle*

whatever

All I know is that I have many friends who think the way you do and in public are happy to condemn my beleifs, but in private have told me that if something goes wrong they'll be running to my house because that's where I keep the guns, the ammo, and survival packs. :sniper:
Well, you have fun in your cellar. I'll let you know when it's safe to come out.

I'm still not convinced about the 'watched-too-much-Rambo' standing there, letting a group of enemy soldiers shoot at me, though.

That just sounds like someone trying to compensate for something.
Having never been shot at before that moment, it took a while for me to realize what they were doing.

It's nothing like the movies.

Along with a picture of you holding it in your hands, as released to you, and undisputable evidence that the person in the picture and named on the form is actually you. A social security number would help.

No matter, though. Some day you will die of natural causes and your military records will fall into the public domain under the FOIA. We'll find out then.

Judging from every other Vet on these forums and their attitudes on war and "the enemy", I cannot believe you ever even saw the first day of Basic.

You *act* like an angry teenager. Actions speak louder than words.

Bad Keruvalia Bad very bad.

Yawn.

This is the same Zarqawi that a while back you were all laughing at and dismissing as an incompetent assclown who couldn't even handle a machine gun properly. And now that he's dead you're all celebrating like the Death Star just fucking exploded.

Hey, when you are losing the game, every interception is a celebration, regardless of the probability you will later drop the ball again.

Bad Keruvalia Bad very bad.

Awwww ... *kicks dirt* ... can't have any fun.

Ok ok ... I'm leaving the thread now. I have tomatoes to tend to.

Having never been shot at before that moment, it took a while for me to realize what they were doing.

It's nothing like the movies.
Right. So you're saying that the military is so incompetent they can't even teach recruits what happens when someone fires a gun at you?

Having never been shot at before that moment, it took a while for me to realize what they were doing.

It's nothing like the movies.

Preaching to the perverted, my friend... been there, done that.

Thing is, though.... I wasn't in a warzone.

You'd have thought they'd have covered "People will shoot at you, in a warzone" in basic training...

Along with a picture of you holding it in your hands, as released to you, and undisputable evidence that the person in the picture and named on the form is actually you. A social security number would help.

No matter, though. Some day you will die of natural causes and your military records will fall into the public domain under the FOIA. We'll find out then.

Judging from every other Vet on these forums and their attitudes on war and "the enemy", I cannot believe you ever even saw the first day of Basic.

You *act* like an angry teenager. Actions speak louder than words.


Easy. I can sign the release of documents form, and you can pick up the DD214 at the courthouse yourself.

And yes, I went far beyond Basic. And I'm not a teenager.

Next thing you'll tell me I didn't spend the first part of this year on contract in London.

So the U.S. finally stopped killing thousands of innocent civilians and took out a terrorist? Shocking. His death will just spawn 10 others probably. Either way, the war isn't close to being finished.

Here's a clue. While the Cold War is over, because it was between nation states, the War on Terror will go on until the West gets the balls to commit genocide.

You advocate genocide???

wow.

I don't think they're doing this right.

The Mongols understood how to do things.

Ah. I see. You are a barbarian romanticizer.

Go Konan.

All governments are socialist in nature.

hooray for lunatic redefinitional free-for-alls!

You advocate genocide???

wow.

you are about 23 pages behind. :(

hooray for lunatic redefinitional free-for-alls!
Stalin! Long time no see!

Thanks, DK. Now I can quote this post every time I want to dismiss you as a racist warmongering blood-drinking sniveling coward, cad, and bully who not only wants to kill millions of civilians who have never done him any harm, but also knows such an action would be an unjustifiable crime against humanity, i.e. genocide. :)

I am sure there is something in Kimchi's personal history that can explain this...some childhood sodomy or something else that would fill one with such hate.

I am sure there is something in his personal history that can explain this...some childhood sodomy or something else that would fill one with such hate.

Continue to read the history will be explained

It's ok - if it wasn't for completely amoral people like me, Muryavets would have no idea how to vent.
Fortunately, I do have you, a worthy punching bag if ever there was one. Heel, dog!

Right. So you're saying that the military is so incompetent they can't even teach recruits what happens when someone fires a gun at you?
It's one thing to be at the Rodger Young infiltration range at night, with an M-60 (nowadays, an M-240) firing over your head.

It's quite another to be in the middle of a desert, seeing people blended into the horizon's distorted mirage, and hear the faint crack of bullets flying by without hearing the weapons themselves firing because of the distance and the wind blowing towards the firers.

You aren't even sure until you get down on the scope and look.

I am sure there is something in Kimchi's personal history that can explain this...some childhood sodomy or something else that would fill one with such hate.

Hate has nothing to do with it.

I take it you haven't read any Hannah Arendt.

:) [USA

Ya now that just made my day

In your face you radical scum:upyours:

all i can say is HELL YEAH!

we got the bastard

Although I am against his idea might i ask how do you intend to fight a person that is anonomyous over the internet that you have never met? Or what would you do to prevent him/her or someone like them from carrying out such an task?
I'm talking about the real world. He's free to spew as much hateful venom -- and take as much verbal abuse -- as he likes over the internet. I only care about what people actually do. As long as he talks, I'll be here to shout back. If he ever takes action, I'll be there to testify against him. Re prevention, obviously, if I thought he was making actual threats of something he might do to people, I would forward this thread to law enforcement authorities immediately. I hope I wouldn't be the only one.

And if someone ever were to try to do what he talks about here, I don't need to know whether it's DK or not. I will oppose them. That's all. In fact, I already oppose this kind of thinking so strongly that I wish for war crimes charges to be brought against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al -- and they're not even close to DK's level of heinousness.

:) [USA

Ya now that just made my day

In your face you radical scum:upyours:
Wooooohoooooooo! In your face, Zarqawi!
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/rgshiwyc/school/curric/Spanish/Simpson/homer.jpg
USA! USA! USA! USA!

By an F-16 w/ two 500 lbers.

http://media.putfile.com/Airstrike-that-killed-Al-Zarqawi

I'm talking about the real world. He's free to spew as much hateful venom -- and take as much verbal abuse -- as he likes over the internet. I only care about what people actually do. As long as he talks, I'll be here to shout back. If he ever takes action, I'll be there to testify against him. Re prevention, obviously, if I thought he was making actual threats of something he might do to people, I would forward this thread to law enforcement authorities immediately. I hope I wouldn't be the only one.

And if someone ever were to try to do what he talks about here, I don't need to know whether it's DK or not. I will oppose them. That's all. In fact, I already oppose this kind of thinking so strongly that I wish for war crimes charges to be brought against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al -- and they're not even close to DK's level of heinousness.

Yes, what are the odds that I personally would be able to commit the genocide of over 1 billion people...

Now who needs a reality check?

The US is the most capitalist of all western nations

:D

No, our way of life is easy, materialist, having more than we need, and peace. this is everything the other side hates and what we must fight to protect

Yep. Having a massive industrialized economy is always good.

If you think only Americans died at the WTC, you're sadly mistaken.

Why do battlefield doctors treat enemy soldiers? Why did the events of December 25, 1914 occur?

I disagree with your assessment of humanity.
They were mostly Americans, but civilized people tend to see most if not all other humans as members of their extended group. When the switch flips and a certain group is seen as the enemy, most people won't piss on them if they're on fire.


Battlefield doctors see all humans as part of the greater human family. They make poor killers.

There are situations where an enemy will do something or say something that flips the mental switch back and lets their would-be killer see them as human again. For example, I think it was Orwell that was about to shoot a guy during the Spanish civil war and didn't because the guy was trying to run while trying to hold his pants up. Simple things like that can humanize an enemy.

So what's your assesment of humanity?

Gee, thanks. Haven't seen this 11ty million times on CNN already.

Yes, what are the odds that I personally would be able to commit the genocide of over 1 billion people...

Now who needs a reality check?

To be fair, many people have stated heinious acts against humanity and over time gathered the power to do it. Hitler wrote in a german prision Mine Keiph when he was a lowly convect and he ended up doing what he said he would. I am not saying that you will but I think that is the underlying fear DK. People with enough convection in an idea somehow make it happen, at least within the historical context. I am not calling you Hitler, i am jsut saying why people are often nervous and attack such "powerless people".

I doubt the second bomb was necessary.

"Hmm.. just to be sure..."

Then why bring it up? Who cares if Islamic militants think we're corrupt? My point was that I think we are too.



Oh, I know that's what you believe, what you want to believe, what you have to believe in order to live with yourself, it's just the sad fact that you're wrong. :)



False dichotomy.



Ha! My tax bracket suggests otherwise.




Morality IS our way of life. Well, it's mine anyway. I suppose its a back seat for you. But fighting to preserve what we hold dear, by shucking morality, is at best counterproductive and at worst pure hypocrisy.


We're not giving up anything in the WOT...zip..

Hell even with all the tax cuts we still haven't done much to reduce taxes.

I would like nothing more than to piss on Zarqawi's body as a final sentiment to him.

Stalin! Long time no see!

Milosevic! Long time no see!

Wasn't hung for shooting running men in the back.

Perfectly legal, because they shot at me first.

I didn't kill them because I was afraid of them - I stood there for a bit while they took shots at me. I killed them because it was permissible to do so.
Changing the topic? Trying to pretend we're talking about anything other than your advocacy of genocide? Sorry, not falling for it. You wish for a government program to wipe out Muslims by sterilization -- which, by the way, would be genocide against several ethnic groups. It doesn't matter how lowly a foot soldier you are in such a crime (because the gods know YOU would never be a leader), you would be punished for it, just like the work-a-day guards at Auschwitz who did nothing more than close the door on the gas chamber under orders from their commanders.

I doubt the second bomb was necessary.

"Hmm.. just to be sure..."

It's called an "insurance round".

A military tradition since WW II, IIRC.

Wow with such intellegent retorts as this, how can anyone disagree with you?
One can't please everyone all the time.

They were mostly Americans, but civilized people tend to see most if not all other humans as members of their extended group. When the switch flips and a certain group is seen as the enemy, most people won't piss on them if they're on fire.


Battlefield doctors see all humans as part of the greater human family. They make poor killers.

There are situations where an enemy will do something or say something that flips the mental switch back and lets their would-be killer see them as human again. For example, I think it was Orwell that was about to shoot a guy during the Spanish civil war and didn't because the guy was trying to run while trying to hold his pants up. Simple things like that can humanize an enemy.

So what's your assesment of humanity?

Hitler started off as a Corporal in the German Army. Stalin was a minor state official for much of his life. Dictators with desires to kill can easily come from the lowest of the low with no supporters.

Gee, thanks. Haven't seen this 11ty million times on CNN already.

I had promised I would post it, so I must follow through...

Changing the topic? Trying to pretend we're talking about anything other than your advocacy of genocide? Sorry, not falling for it. You wish for a government program to wipe out Muslims by sterilization -- which, by the way, would be genocide against several ethnic groups. It doesn't matter how lowly a foot soldier you are in such a crime (because the gods know YOU would never be a leader), you would be punished for it, just like the work-a-day guards at Auschwitz who did nothing more than close the door on the gas chamber under orders from their commanders.

No, not changing the topic. There are several, if you've been reading the thread.

But, how could I commit genocide?

I'm not the President, or the Congress. Or a high-ranking General.

So, tell me. How would you see me, alone, committing genocide. You most clearly stated that you would report it to law enforcement if I was acting on it - so tell me - how would I realistically commit genocide on my own?

One can't please everyone all the time.

You can on THursdays :) Yes this is a joke

No, not changing the topic. There are several, if you've been reading the thread.

But, how could I commit genocide?

I'm not the President, or the Congress. Or a high-ranking General.

So, tell me. How would you see me, alone, committing genocide. You most clearly stated that you would report it to law enforcement if I was acting on it - so tell me - how would I realistically commit genocide on my own?

Oh that is easy. Become a politician, run for office and rise the political ladder til you are eventually the president. All it takes is money, social clout and endorsement from a party, along with a majoirity of electorial votes. I am not advocating that you do this, you jsut asked how.

To be fair, many people have stated heinious acts against humanity and over time gathered the power to do it. Hitler wrote in a german prision Mine Keiph when he was a lowly convect and he ended up doing what he said he would. I am not saying that you will but I think that is the underlying fear DK. People with enough convection in an idea somehow make it happen, at least within the historical context. I am not calling you Hitler, i am jsut saying why people are often nervous and attack such "powerless people".

Sounds like a very firm Godwin to me.

So, why do most of these people who spew the virulence about me and my suggestions of mass sterlization give the most extreme benefit of the doubt to the Iranian President, who not only makes genocidal remarks, but denies the WW II Holocaust, and is trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and threatens to "wipe Israel off the map".

Isn't he a much more realistic threat than I am? Or is there a double standard?

I have heard that quote before. I can not name the source off the top of my head but I have heard it. it is very sad if it is true.
I require proof. I require proof that the crimes occurred, and I also require proof that, if it did, it was racially motivated.

Oh that is easy. Become a politician, run for office and rise the political ladder til you are eventually the president. All it takes is money, social clout and endorsement from a party, along with a majoirity of electorial votes. I am not advocating that you do this, you jsut asked how.
Highly unlikely. I'm not interested in politics.

Sounds like a very firm Godwin to me.

So, why do most of these people who spew the virulence about me and my suggestions of mass sterlization give the most extreme benefit of the doubt to the Iranian President, who not only makes genocidal remarks, but denies the WW II Holocaust, and is trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and threatens to "wipe Israel off the map".

Isn't he a much more realistic threat than I am? Or is there a double standard?

They do not have a method of talking tothe Irainian President, nor if they did would they most likely speak up cause he would kill them. In all honestly over the arm chair of my computer chair you are no real threat, to anyone atthis time, and I pray that you never become a threat, nor anyone here.

BTW what is Godwin? I am sorry for my ignorace I just do not understand that term.

It's in John Keegan's book, 'The Face of Battle'.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0844671266/sr=8-3/qid=1149793079/ref=pd_bbs_3/102-9268944-2668159?%5Fencoding=UTF8

He's a world reknowned historian. He has a whole chapter on atrocities, and why men commit them.
No quotes from the book to offer in support of your argument? Nothing for your opponents to examine? Have you read this book or did you just hear about it?

Easy. I can sign the release of documents form, and you can pick up the DD214 at the courthouse yourself.

And yes, I went far beyond Basic. And I'm not a teenager.

Next thing you'll tell me I didn't spend the first part of this year on contract in London.


you're not actually worried about proving yourself to Keruvalia of all people,are you ?

Milosevic! Long time no see!

Psst...don't tell anyone, but I'm really Pol Pot.

Maybe it's good that al-Zarqawi is dead, I hope things will get better but I'm not holding my breath.

hear, hear! Our western way of life and our very lives of everyone in the western world is threaten by these people. Genocide is the only thing that will save our civilization. Long live the west!


'Our western lives' - what's that exactly - stuff our faces with junk food until we die deformed; consuming more than we earn; paying more attention to advertst than our kids; destroying the only thing that keeps us alive - the environment just so that we can drive our brand new 4x4? Brainwashed by a president that can't even spell; using all taxes so that the war industry goes on, while his own people die from natural disasters probably caused because he prefers to make money than join the Kyoto.

Who are we - the westerns? - Superficial f*cks that believe in nothing but their own comfort. The world does not begin and end in the west you know. There's life out there; who the hell are you to tell them what's right and wrong and bomb whoever disagrees with our fake democracy.

you're not actually worried about proving yourself to Keruvalia of all people,are you ?
Not really. Not after we already found out everything about him.

I am sure there is something in Kimchi's personal history that can explain this...some childhood sodomy or something else that would fill one with such hate.
When he dies in an old age home, perhaps an autopsy of his brain will provide an explanation. In the meantime, I don't care why he's this way.

'Our western lives' - what's that exactly - stuff our faces with junk food until we die deformed; consuming more than we earn; paying more attention to advertst than our kids; destroying the only thing that keeps us alive - the environment just so that we can drive our brand new 4x4? Brainwashed by a president that can't even spell; using all taxes so that the war industry goes on, while his own people die from natural disasters probably caused because he prefers to make money than join the Kyoto.

Who are we - the westerns? - Superficial f*cks that believe in nothing but their own comfort. The world does not begin and end in the west you know. There's life out there; who the hell are you to tell them what's right and wrong and bomb whoever disagrees with our fake democracy.

I could not have imagined a better rant. That was truly beautiful and inspiring. THank you also for your quasi censorship of F*ck

Not really. Not after we already found out everything about him.

I missed something, what did he find out about him?

No quotes from the book to offer in support of your argument? Nothing for your opponents to examine? Have you read this book or did you just hear about it?
I happen to be at work - I personally own a copy that I read almost every day.

It's a very well known book in history circles, as is the author.

I missed something, what did he find out about him?
Another poster here named Synics found out a great deal of embarassing information about him, which I won't bother to repeat.

Another poster here named Synics found out a great deal of embarassing information about him, which I won't bother to repeat.

lol ok. (remains out of the loop)

catholicism is to christianity.

The Official Church? What are you Anti-Muslim?

Capitalism = Good

Morals = Good

Me = Didnt feel like reading fifty thousand pages

Yes, what are the odds that I personally would be able to commit the genocide of over 1 billion people...

Now who needs a reality check?
"I was just following orders" = Hanged or life in prison, even 70 years later. Your plan to be nothing but a cog in the death machine won't save you.

Not really. Not after we already found out everything about him.

You don't know anything about me. You weren't even able to provide my actual home address or telephone number ... something that can be found in a phone book.

Don't lie.

You don't know anything about me. You weren't even able to provide my actual home address or telephone number.

May i ask what was so embarrasing that you were accused of? I hate being a noob and out of the loop :)

I think the primary reason for the namecalling, etc., is that people don't want to admit that they themselves are capable of what they call "evil".

Evil is unspectacular and always human, And shares our bed and eats at our own table. - W. H. Auden

They want to live smug in the idea that no one they know would ever commit genocide, and are barely able to believe that people who have already committed acts of terror would be capable of doing far more.

"I was just following orders" = Hanged or life in prison, even 70 years later. Your plan to be nothing but a cog in the death machine won't save you.

In Dk's defense he has stated in this forum no plans on being a part of genocide. He is just advocating it.

I think the primary reason for the namecalling, etc., is that people don't want to admit that they themselves are capable of what they call "evil".
Not everyone's a sick, twisted, psychopathic monster like you.

You don't know anything about me. You weren't even able to provide my actual home address or telephone number ... something that can be found in a phone book.

Don't lie.

Synics didn't post your address or telephone number because it would be a violation of the TOS.

Or do you want me to contact him and have him post EVERYTHING again with your permission?

No, not changing the topic. There are several, if you've been reading the thread.

But, how could I commit genocide?

I'm not the President, or the Congress. Or a high-ranking General.

So, tell me. How would you see me, alone, committing genocide. You most clearly stated that you would report it to law enforcement if I was acting on it - so tell me - how would I realistically commit genocide on my own?
Deliberate thick-headedness won't save you, either. Try to actually read the posts you respond to.

I think the primary reason for the namecalling, etc., is that people don't want to admit that they themselves are capable of what they call "evil".



They want to live smug in the idea that no one they know would ever commit genocide, and are barely able to believe that people who have already committed acts of terror would be capable of doing far more.

Personally admiting you are capable of evil, allows you the fortitude to prevent yourself from doing it.

Not everyone's a sick, twisted, psychopathic monster like you.

Few of the Germans in WW II could be classified as "sick, twisted, psychopathic monsters".

Maybe you need to read, "The Banality of Evil" by Hannah Arendt. It would be a profound wakeup call, if you could accept it.

Personally admiting you are capable of evil, allows you the fortitude to prevent yourself from doing it.
I don't believe that most people believe they are capable of it.

May i ask what was so embarrasing that you were accused of? I hate being a noob and out of the loop :)

Honestly, I don't know. They did some googling, but didn't really find anything embarrasing. They cited my OKCupid profile, which at some point said I was 90 years old and living in Prague, to try to make people think I was trying to get a date on the internet (I am, in fact, married). Someone else falsified some quotes from a non-existent YIM conversation.

Nothing they claim could be substantiated, though, so I giggle it off.

Incidently, humans have to sleep sometime. A gun is not necessary. A brick will do.

In other words, lay back, enjoy the violation, then spend years tracking them down, wait until they are asleep, then hit them with a brick?

Or maybe you could send some big, black muslim ex-cons carrying a jar of vaseline after the perpetrators?

Now what's wrong with using a gun to stop it before it starts?

Honestly, I don't know. They did some googling, but didn't really find anything embarrasing. They cited my OKCupid profile, which at some point said I was 90 years old and living in Prague, to try to make people think I was trying to get a date on the internet (I am, in fact, married). Someone else falsified some quotes from a non-existent YIM conversation.

Nothing they claim could be substantiated, though, so I giggle it off.

lol ok. THat would make me chuckle as well :)

I happen to be at work - I personally own a copy that I read almost every day.

It's a very well known book in history circles, as is the author.
But still no quotes for the rest of us. So we're supposed to just take your word for the book's content? Because you're so trustworthy and reasonable and all.

But still no quotes for the rest of us. So we're supposed to just take your word for the book's content? Because you're so trustworthy and reasonable and all.
Well, tell you what. When I get home from work, I will personally send you the reference via telegram.

Then you can see how wrong you are about the events in question.

Yes, what are the odds that I personally would be able to commit the genocide of over 1 billion people...

Now who needs a reality check?


Everyone's able to commit genocide depends on how quickly you can get brainwashed, how much you love 'puppet-power' and how easily you get threatened by anyone's that slightly different to you.

Everyone's able to commit genocide depends on how quickly you can get brainwashed, how much you love 'puppet-power' and how easily you get threatened by anyone's that slightly different to you.
No. It only depends on you being human.

Synics didn't post your address or telephone number because it would be a violation of the TOS.


I was TG'd the information ya'll "found". It was wrong. It was an address and phone number from the mid-1990s. You had nothing on me that I didn't create myself. The OK Cupid profile, my creation. My family tree website, my creation.

You have absolutely zero "information" on me that *I* didn't create.

And thats a good night from him

I'm personally shocked to see how many purported left-leaning educated people have not read Hannah Arendt.

I guess reading about how people easily come to do horrible things is out of fashion - far more fashionable to think of names to call people.

I've had a gun pulled on me in anger. Know what I did? Nothing. I spoke.

I was not shot at.

Amazing.

Great-good for you. Could have gone either way, no?

And that applies to battlefield situations in war, how?

Enemy soldiers are not necessarily firing at our soldiers out of anger, but because that is their battle plan.

Are you suggesting that our soldiers go out on the battlefield armed with bullhorns, and talk to the enemy?

I don't believe that most people believe they are capable of it.
I know damn well what I'm capable of. Why do you think I'm a pacifist?

In Dk's defense he has stated in this forum no plans on being a part of genocide. He is just advocating it.
He's proud of being in the mlitary. Are you saying he wouldn't re-enlist to serve his nation in finally ridding the world of The Muslim Scourge (tm)?

PS: There is no defense for DK. Don't waste your time.

I'm personally shocked to see how many purported left-leaning educated people have not read Hannah Arendt.

I guess reading about how people easily come to do horrible things is out of fashion - far more fashionable to think of names to call people.

In my opinion Literature went down hill after 500 ad

Holy crap this thread grew to 28 pages in a short few hours. Where have I been on my day off?

Few of the Germans in WW II could be classified as "sick, twisted, psychopathic monsters".

Maybe you need to read, "The Banality of Evil" by Hannah Arendt. It would be a profound wakeup call, if you could accept it.
Ms. Arendt didn't write that as a how-to manual, DK. It is disgusting that you use these writings to excuse your own baseness.

It's rather kinky.

Pretty Boring really

I was TG'd the information ya'll "found". It was wrong. It was an address and phone number from the mid-1990s. You had nothing on me that I didn't create myself. The OK Cupid profile, my creation. My family tree website, my creation.

You have absolutely zero "information" on me that *I* didn't create.
And your assertions that you are a Muslim, or were one, are also "a creation".

It was interesting reading how many various identities you've had, career changes, etc.

You are more unreal than virtually anyone I've ever encountered online.

He's proud of being in the mlitary. Are you saying he wouldn't re-enlist to serve his nation in finally ridding the world of The Muslim Scourge (tm)?

PS: There is no defense for DK. Don't waste your time.

lol all i stated was he did not state that he would. what he does is ultimately up to him of course. I try to see the good in all individuals.

Ms. Arendt didn't write that as a how-to manual, DK. It is disgusting that you use these writings to excuse your own baseness.
No, I'm using it as a point of irony to show how you think you're completely incapable of such acts - and yet you are - as much as I am.

I don't believe that most people believe they are capable of it.
You also seem to believe that anyone who knows they are capable of it would immediately embrace it as a philosophy and lifestyle, just like you did. But that's where you are wrong.

You are more unreal than virtually anyone I've ever encountered online.

On the internet? Yes, of course.

Or do you not believe in self-defense?

I'm sorry your investigation went so poorly, but I am pleased knowing that I have protected myself from people like you so well.

And your assertions that you are a Muslim, or were one, are also "a creation".

It was interesting reading how many various identities you've had, career changes, etc.

You are more unreal than virtually anyone I've ever encountered online.

I see. Dk let me ask you this since you stated that muslims should be neutered or spayed through various means, do you include her in that category. If so I must say wow you have some "balls". If not then why would She/he be different?

You also seem to believe that anyone who knows they are capable of it would immediately embrace it as a philosophy and lifestyle, just like you did. But that's where you are wrong.
Now you're putting words in my mouth.

Your conclusion, entirely. And entirely wrong.

No, but you would shovel people into ovens and not think it was wrong, given the right circumstances.

On the internet? Yes, of course.

Or do you not believe in self-defense?

I'm sorry your investigation went so poorly, but I am pleased knowing that I have protected myself from people like you so well.

Actually, what we proved was that on every forum you've posted on, you're a complete fake by your own admission. In some cases, bounced from forums for being a fake.

I'm more than willing to offer up the release of my service records. How about you?

I'm more than willing to offer up the release of my service records. How about you?

Having never been in the service, there are no records for me to provide.

Actually, what we proved was that on every forum you've posted on, you're a complete fake by your own admission.

Wait .... *you* proved something *I* openly admit?

Nice job, Sherlock.

Wait .... *you* proved something *I* openly admit?

Nice job, Sherlock.
And since you're a complete fake, we can't take anything you say about Islam, etc., seriously, because you aren't an authority of any kind - by your own admission.

Well, tell you what. When I get home from work, I will personally send you the reference via telegram.

Then you can see how wrong you are about the events in question.
Not good enough. You claimed a source in support of your argument within this debate, but you did not present that source for examination by the debaters. You are obviously not prepared to do so -- ever, judging by this stupid on-the-side offer. Therefore, your citation of the source is invalid, and the statement it was used to support is likewise invalidated. For the purposes of this debate, we may strike any reference by you to US atrocities during WW2. Thanks for playing.

You've been at this game for a while, DK. You know better than to try weak stuff like this.

I could not have imagined a better rant. That was truly beautiful and inspiring. THank you also for your quasi censorship of F*ck


wasn't sure what's allowed around here, apart from genocide etc. will make sure to never blank out any kind of abuse i give to right wing extremist fuckheads.

now that i've had my rant i'll go and do something useful with my life...study how come africa is so fucked up while the world is so busy with "wars".

Ah. I see. You are a barbarian romanticizer.

Go Konan.

If he means genocide on two legged savages who run around and behead people, crash airplanes into buildings, and murder innocents, I'm all for it.

Of course, the other genocide he could be referring to is the one that might happen between the US and Iran if Iran nukes us. Iran would go up in a pink, 4500F degree mist.

Not good enough. You claimed a source in support of your argument within this debate, but you did not present that source for examination by the debaters. You are obviously not prepared to do so -- ever, judging by this stupid on-the-side offer. Therefore, your citation of the source is invalid, and the statement it was used to support is likewise invalidated. For the purposes of this debate, we may strike any reference by you to US atrocities during WW2. Thanks for playing.

You've been at this game for a while, DK. You know better than to try weak stuff like this.

Oh, this is the old "it's in a history book, so it's not a valid source".

wasn't sure what's allowed around here, apart from genocide etc. will make sure to never blank out any kind of abuse i give to right wing extremist fuckheads.

now that i've had my rant i'll go and do something useful with my life...study how come africa is so fucked up while the world is so busy with "wars".

lol good luck in your studies

And since you're a complete fake, we can't take anything you say about Islam, etc., seriously, because you aren't an authority of any kind - by your own admission.

Nobody can be a complete fake. These are real hands typing on a real keyboard. I've never claimed to be an authority on Islam, incidently.

No. It only depends on you being human.
No, Eloquent Sobriety is right. You have to be a weak, fear-ridden, authority-worshipping human. That's why you advocate genocide, but I do not.

wasn't sure what's allowed around here, apart from genocide etc. will make sure to never blank out any kind of abuse i give to right wing extremist fuckheads.

now that i've had my rant i'll go and do something useful with my life...study how come africa is so fucked up while the world is so busy with "wars".


Because Africa bought into all the socialist crap that the soviet union was handing out in the 60s,70s, and 80s. And they continue to do so today.

If he means genocide on two legged savages who run around and behead people, crash airplanes into buildings, and murder innocents, I'm all for it.

Of course, the other genocide he could be referring to is the one that might happen between the US and Iran if Iran nukes us. Iran would go up in a pink, 4500F degree mist.
He wants to kill all muslims. All 1 billion of them.

Awesome, the biggest terrorist nation in the world killed an opposing terrorist!!!!

No, I'm using it as a point of irony to show how you think you're completely incapable of such acts - and yet you are - as much as I am.
Irony. How ironic. 'Cause that's not an example of irony.

Because Africa bought into all the socialist crap that the soviet union was handing out in the 60s,70s, and 80s. And they continue to do so today.

oh thanks, i wont bother reading a 600 pages book now you cleared that up for me

I am sure there is something in Kimchi's personal history that can explain this...some childhood sodomy or something else that would fill one with such hate.

I'm filled with rage everytime I see towel headed goat humpers on TV pumping up their AKs like little monkeys with a sign begging "US I AM HERE BOMB ME NOW".

9/11

Not good enough. You claimed a source in support of your argument within this debate, but you did not present that source for examination by the debaters. You are obviously not prepared to do so -- ever, judging by this stupid on-the-side offer. Therefore, your citation of the source is invalid, and the statement it was used to support is likewise invalidated. For the purposes of this debate, we may strike any reference by you to US atrocities during WW2. Thanks for playing.

You've been at this game for a while, DK. You know better than to try weak stuff like this.

So you don't believe the firebombing of Dresden was an atrocity.

Very evil of you.

lol all i stated was he did not state that he would. what he does is ultimately up to him of course. I try to see the good in all individuals.
I pity you for the effort you will have to go to. I just look at the whole of what each person presents to me. If it's good that's what I see. If it's not...

The admissions of the desire to commit genocide disgust me. It sickens me to believe that we have someone in our midst that wants to wipe out another race, and has all that hatred disguised as 'Realpolitik'.

I also find it unusual, DK, that you have yet to state any disgust or sadness at having to kill another human being. Every other veteran I have met, or read about, has stated such a thing. That you have not said anything of the type is perhaps telling.

I'm filled with rage everytime I see towel headed goat humpers on TV pumping up their AKs like little monkeys with a sign begging "US I AM HERE BOMB ME NOW".

9/11

Good God, you love making generalisations, don't you?

I'm filled with rage everytime I see towel headed goat humpers on TV pumping up their AKs like little monkeys with a sign begging "US I AM HERE BOMB ME NOW".

9/11

Beautiful, very clear and intelligible. Your metaphors are to be marveled at.

I'm filled with rage everytime I see towel headed goat humpers on TV pumping up their AKs like little monkeys ...

Yeah ... me too ...

http://www.pacificviews.org/weblog/archives/Pictures/abu_ghraib_pile.jpg

I pity you for the effort you will have to go to. I just look at the whole of what each person presents to me. If it's good that's what I see. If it's not...

I thank you for your concern for me. Even if there is no good in individuals I attempt to see the good they can posess. Some see it as futile, but people can change, if approached correctly.

The admissions of the desire to commit genocide disgust me. It sickens me to believe that we have someone in our midst that wants to wipe out another race, and has all that hatred disguised as 'Realpolitik'.

I also find it unusual, DK, that you have yet to state any disgust or sadness at having to kill another human being. Every other veteran I have met, or read about, has stated such a thing. That you have not said anything of the type is perhaps telling.

I don't find it sad because they shot at me. Maybe you're used to hearing politicians, but none of the guys I know have expressed any remorse.

In fact, I've gone to great lengths to read up historical accounts of whether or not snipers in particular feel guilty, and they apparently do not.

Peter Senich has several books, all of which contain interviews with snipers from WW II to the present - and none of them expressed any remorse - they felt they were doing what was needed to be done to prevent further casualties on their side.

I'm filled with rage everytime I see towel headed goat humpers on TV pumping up their AKs like little monkeys with a sign begging "US I AM HERE BOMB ME NOW".

9/11


oh can't motivate myself to leave this thread; there are some trully intelligent wonderful people here, and of course people like you marksman. of course those bad bad bad people with guns - the enemy, ... fighting IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. i think they should just sit down and beg for mercy while some redneck soldier who knows nothing about politics and how the 'insurgents' were actually trained from the same us budget as him, pisses all over them. RIGHT?

I pity you for the effort you will have to go to. I just look at the whole of what each person presents to me. If it's good that's what I see. If it's not...
Yes, Muravyets doesn't believe that the US committed atrocities during WW II....
In February of 1945 British planes, flying at night, created firestorms in Dresden, and U.S. planes, flying in the daytime, compounded the burning of the city. It was a city crowded with refugees, and no one knows how many died. At least 35,000. Perhaps 100,000. Kurt Vonnegut gave us some sense of the horror of this in his novel, Slaughterhouse Five.

Churchill, in his wartime memoirs described the event tersely: "We made a heavy raid in the latter month on Dresden, then a center of communication of Germany's Eastern Front." The British pilot of a Lancaster bomber was more explicit: "There was a sea of fire covering in my estimation some 50 square miles."

One incident remembered by survivors is that on the afternoon of February 14, 1945, American fighter planes machine-gunned clusters of refugees on the banks of the Elbe. A German woman told of this years later. "We ran along the Elbe stepping over the bodies."

The actor Richard Burton, who was engaged to play the role of Winston Churchill in a television drama, wrote afterward:

"In the course of preparing myself, I realized fresh that I hate Churchill and all of his kind. They have stalked down the corridors of endless power all through history. What man of sanity would say on hearing of the atrocities committed by the Japanese: 'We shall wipe them out, everyone of them, men, women and children. There shall not be a Japanese left on the face of the earth.' Such simple-minded cravings for revenge leave me with a horrified but reluctant awe for such ferocity."

The British flew at night and did "area bombing," with no pretense of iming at specific military targets. The Americans flew in the daytime, pretending to precision, but bombing from high altitudes made that impossible. (When I was doing my practice bombing in Deming, New Mexico, before going overseas, our egos were built up by having us fly at 4000 feet and drop a bomb within twenty feet of the target. But at 11,000 feet, we were more likely to miss by 200 feet. Flying combat missions at 30,000 feet, we might miss by a quarter of a mile.)

There was huge self-deception, not among the political leaders, who consciously made the decisions, but on the part of the lower-level military who carried them out. We had been angered when the Germans bombed cities and killed several hundred or a thousand people. But now the British and Americans were killing tens of thousands in a single air strike. Michael Sherry, in his classic study, The Rise of American Air Power, notes that "so few in the air force asked questions." (I certainly did not, participating in a napalm bombing of the French town of Royan a few weeks before the end of the war in Europe.)

Journalists and writers, enlisted in the propaganda campaign, went along with government policy. John Steinbeck, in his book, Bombs Away, said: "We were all part of the war effort."

One month after the Dresden bombing, on the 10th of March, 1945, 300 B-29's flew over Tokyo at low altitude, with cylinders of napalm and 500-pound clusters of magnesium incendiaries. It was after midnight. Over a million people had evacuated Tokyo, but six million remained. Fire swept with incredible speed through the flimsy dwellings of the poor. The atmosphere became superheated to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit. People jumped into the river for protection and were boiled alive. The estimates were of 85,000 to 100,000 dead. They died of oxygen deficiency, carbon monoxide, radiant heat, direct flames, flying debris, or were trampled to death (Masuo Kato, The Lost War: A Japanese Reporter's Story).

Now you're putting words in my mouth.

Your conclusion, entirely. And entirely wrong.

No, but you would shovel people into ovens and not think it was wrong, given the right circumstances.
How dare you even suggest that I am even remotely like you, you miserable little worm? You have no idea what any individual would do under any circumstances, your self-serving misreadings of Hannah Arendt notwithstanding. You're only making these insulting predictions about me and others because you can't stand the idea that you are all alone in your own ugly little psychological room. As I said earlier, your type always needs the reassurance of others. If you don't have a big strong Daddy to hide behind and tell you what to do, then you look for safety in numbers, trying to lose yourself in a crowd because you're too afraid to stand out in the spotlight of an actual principle or personal conviction. So here you are, surrounded by opponents, desperately trying to paint us all to look like you. What's the matter? Feeling scared and alone in a hostile crowd? You are the epitome of the "Banality of Evil."

It's pretty humorous and suprisingly effective with The Beatles' "I Saw Her Standing There" playing in the background.

oh can't motivate myself to leave this thread; there are some trully intelligent wonderful people here, and of course people like you marksman. of course those bad bad bad people with guns - the enemy, ... fighting IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. i think they should just sit down and beg for mercy while some redneck soldier who knows nothing about politics and how the 'insurgents' were actually trained from the same us budget as him, pisses all over them. RIGHT?

lol wow. come on people, please at least attempt to not be childish or insulting in your writings. Attack all you want but name calling makes you look quite ignorant, and usually makes people consider what you have to say less than if you did not.

I'm filled with rage everytime I see towel headed goat humpers on TV pumping up their AKs like little monkeys with a sign begging "US I AM HERE BOMB ME NOW".

9/11

You do know that it is people like you that make people like me feel like dirt on the ground? Every day, people like you kill, torture, and hurt innocent Muslims. You'd think that this would be not allowed on an internet board, especially one that is as moderated as this one. But, hey, do whatever you like. I'm not stopping you. I just know that, deep inside, I'm not a bigoted, prejudiced person who tries to make excuses for his unreasoning hatred of others.

Yes, there are those that use our faith for their far-reaching means. Yes, those people are murderers. But there is no excuse for you to called them "towel headed goat humpers", is there?

You are the epitome of the "Banality of Evil."

Now *that* is a come back. (stands and applauds)

oh thanks, i wont bother reading a 600 pages book now you cleared that up for me

Well, it does have a lot to do with that. The socialist programs of the period created huge, state-controlled industries that were saddled with debt and were hopelessly uncompetitive, and they also spent billions on massive building programs and militaries that their economy could not support.

The governments also failed to diversify away from the colonial economic model of a one-export system and that resulted in economic collapses whenever prices plunged, notably in cocoa and diamond producing nations. This increased poverty as well as led to falling production of foodstuffs along with shortages of equipment, and the environmental devastation caused by mismanagement of agriculture further worsened the situation and led to desertification. The final outcome was famine, which led to a whole host of problems in itself.

At the same time, they had to deal with the ethnic tensions created by the ignorance of the colonial powers that created the independent states, so the nations of Africa faced both economic devastation and social instability. In many places, the people turned to their military as a source of stability which resulted in the numerous coup d'etats and revolutions in Africa during the postcolonial period.

Socialism wasn't the end all of Africa's problems, but it played an integral role in them.

How dare you even suggest that I am even remotely like you, you miserable little worm? You have no idea what any individual would do under any circumstances, your self-serving misreadings of Hannah Arendt notwithstanding. You're only making these insulting predictions about me and others because you can't stand the idea that you are all alone in your own ugly little psychological room. As I said earlier, your type always needs the reassurance of others. If you don't have a big strong Daddy to hide behind and tell you what to do, then you look for safety in numbers, trying to lose yourself in a crowd because you're too afraid to stand out in the spotlight of an actual principle or personal conviction. So here you are, surrounded by opponents, desperately trying to paint us all to look like you. What's the matter? Feeling scared and alone in a hostile crowd? You are the epitome of the "Banality of Evil."

Nope. I think you're scared you might be in there, especially since you denied that the US committed atrocities during WW II.

... you're too afraid to stand out in the spotlight of an actual principle or personal conviction.

I think he is standing out quite clearly.

Oh, this is the old "it's in a history book, so it's not a valid source".
No, it's the old "DK offers nothing but his word, and his word isn't worth crap."

Yes, Muravyets doesn't believe that the US committed atrocities during WW II....

"In the course of preparing myself, I realized fresh that I hate Churchill and all of his kind. They have stalked down the corridors of endless power all through history. What man of sanity would say on hearing of the atrocities committed by the Japanese: 'We shall wipe them out, everyone of them, men, women and children. There shall not be a Japanese left on the face of the earth.' Such simple-minded cravings for revenge leave me with a horrified but reluctant awe for such ferocity."

I'm unsure if you actually read the passage you quoted. If you did, and you did not appreciate what I have just highlighted, I've made it easier for you to read it and see what it says. Perhaps you'll realise something, or at the very least it'll show everyone else something.

I think he is standing out quite clearly.
Repeat after me: The Internet is not real life.

I think he is standing out quite clearly.
Muravyets is standing out pretty clearly too. Said in a previous post that we can strike all references to US atrocities during WW II.

Let's call the Japanese Embassy and ask them about Hiroshima.

lol wow. come on people, please at least attempt to not be childish or insulting in your writings. Attack all you want but name calling makes you look quite ignorant, and usually makes people consider what you have to say less than if you did not.


i think we've passed the point of worrying about calling names while actually praising the holocaust and wiping entire countries off the face of the earth - plus ' monkeys holding ak's ... ' isn't that name calling. i'm sorry though, english is not my first language. maybe i should go back to simply swearing.

Hoist by your own pertard...

Earlier, you said:



Now you say:




Either:

1) You are arguing that there was not a single Saudi or Yemin in the WTC, AND the firefighters KNEW this, or

2) You are arguing that ALL Saudi Arabians and Yemenis MUST be members of a terrorist organisation.


You are either preaching a form of 'nationalistic unity' which exists only in the abstract, or you are preaching that all Middle-East citizens are effectively terrorists. Either way - it sounds like you'd have left anyone with a darkskin to die in the WTC.


I wonder how you are going to wriggle out of this...
I'm arguing that people don't always recognize others as fellow human beings and that it's easy to get people to see those outside their cultural group as an enemy who can and should be killed. I'm arguing that this is a mental artifact from our early evolution and that in some situations we revert to that type of thinking and put people outside our group into the enemy category. If the US is hit hard enough, and smallpox would easily hit us hard enough, we would instinctively put everyone who we percieve to be related to the terrorists into the enemy category and seek to eliminate them.

I'm unsure if you actually read the passage you quoted. If you did, and you did not appreciate what I have just highlighted, I've made it easier for you to read it and see what it says. Perhaps you'll realise something, or at the very least it'll show everyone else something.
Yes I read the Richard Burton quote.

Yes, I admire Churchill.

And thats a good night from him
That's a wrap, I'll say.

Everyone break for lunch...

Repeat after me: The Internet is not real life.

The Internet is not real life.
The Internet is not real life.
The Internet is not real life.

I feel better thank you so much. :)

Yes I read the Richard Burton quote.

Yes, I admire Churchill.

Let me paraphrase, then:

"What man of sanity would say on hearing of the atrocities committed by Al Quaeda: 'We shall wipe them out, everyone of them, men, women and children. There shall not be a Muslim left on the face of the earth.'

Muravyets is standing out pretty clearly too. Said in a previous post that we can strike all references to US atrocities during WW II.

No. Muravyets stated that your unwillingness to provide easily accessible sources meant that we should ignore whatever you had to say on the subject.

Oh wait, that contradicts your delusions. Forget I mentioned it.

Repeat after me: The Internet is not real life.

Sound policy!

Maybe it's good that al-Zarqawi is dead, I hope things will get better but I'm not holding my breath.
Some people think it's a good thing.
Some people don't care.
Some people think it's a bad thing.
I bet it doesn't make a difference in the history of the world.

It's not like they killed Einstein before he invented his theories or something.

Let me paraphrase, then:

"What man of sanity would say on hearing of the atrocities committed by Al Quaeda: 'We shall wipe them out, everyone of them, men, women and children. There shall not be a Muslim left on the face of the earth.'

Me. And obviously, other world leaders before me, including those of Allied nations during World War II.

My point is that we're all capable of it, despite Muravyets vehement denial.

Let me paraphrase, then:

"What man of sanity would say on hearing of the atrocities committed by Al Quaeda: 'We shall wipe them out, everyone of them, men, women and children. There shall not be a Muslim left on the face of the earth.'

Armchair warriors on the internet aren't sane. They think they are, but they're very wrong. Exposing them is essential because they pose a threat to themselves, others, and dare I say, all of society.

My point is that we're all capable of it

Prove I am capable of it.

So you don't believe the firebombing of Dresden was an atrocity.

Very evil of you.
Another weak failure on your part. Show me where I said atrocities were not committed by allied forces during WW2. Come on, show everyone. Quote me.

While you're at it, show us where you mentioned Dresden.

Then explain how you get to cite external supports for your arguments without actually presenting them in the debate.

Then explain why we should still give any weight to your claims about any incident by anyone anywhere, including the un-specified incidents you allege against the Japanese (not in Dresden, btw), for which you have offered no proof whatsoever beyond claiming that you read a book that talked about such stuff.

I'm filled with rage everytime I see towel headed goat humpers on TV
And you fill me with disgust with almost every single word of that statement. That's exceptionally racist, I thought you were a Christian. Hate isn't Christian, especially to people who have done nothing other than killing invaders.
pumping up their AKs like little monkeys with a sign begging "US I AM HERE BOMB ME NOW".
Oh no! Freedom fighters are armed crisis!
9/11
Happened nearly five years ago, killed a mere 3000 people. Civilian deaths in Iraq, which had nothing to do with the attack?

Something in the region of 45000. That 15:1. The USA should be disgusted with itself.

My point is that we're all capable of it, despite Muravyets vehement denial.
No, some people are. And the sane ones realize that doing so would be a bad thing. You, on the other hand, are a bloodthirsty, psychopathic savage. You are pathetic.

No, his shack in Montana. ;)


I'd love to have a shack in Montana.

Me. And obviously, other world leaders before me, including those of Allied nations during World War II.

My point is that we're all capable of it, despite Muravyets vehement denial.

I have never said none of us are capable of it; mentally and physically I'm sure we all technically could. However, the vast majority of us are not advocating the genocide of an entire race/religion. Billions of people.

Something in the region of 45000. That 15:1. The USA should be disgusted with itself.

All but about 30-32% of us are.

Yes, and I would hate for that to happen. It won't. DK is too much of a coward to practice what he preaches. He shoots men in the back and teaches women to hide behind a gun. I'm surprised he even knows how to breathe, much less type.
Wait, how can you criticize him for making women more capable of defending themselves from abusive assholes? Better for a woman to have a gun and the ability to defend herself than a broken jaw and an abusive husband, no?

I have never said none of us are capable of it; mentally and physically I'm sure we all technically could. However, the vast majority of us are not advocating the genocide of an entire race/religion. Billions of people.
On bad days I've wished to see the genocide of 6.8 billion people, or whatever the hell the total human population is now.

All but about 30-32% of us are.
Oh thank God.

This might sound stupid, but it seems to me that a lot of Americans are happy with the war in Iraq.

Sorry for that folly on my part.

It's pretty humorous and suprisingly effective with The Beatles' "I Saw Her Standing There" playing in the background.


"Another one bites the dust" would have fit well

Oh thank God.

This might sound stupid, but it seems to me that a lot of Americans are happy with the war in Iraq.

Sorry for that folly on my part.

No, just a vocal minority on these forums. Some of whom also seem to advocate genocide.

No, just a vocal minority on these forums. Some of whom also seem to advocate genocide.
And their media too, sadly.

Sorry about that, Americans. Other than anyone who actually does support the war, to whom I say - I hate you very much.

And their media too, sadly.

Sorry about that, Americans. Other than anyone who actually does support the war, to whom I say - I hate you very much.

What about americans that do not really care one way or the other?

Wait, how can you criticize him for making women more capable of defending themselves from abusive assholes? Better for a woman to have a gun and the ability to defend herself than a broken jaw and an abusive husband, no?


Dont waste your time or breath with this one, DCD.

"Another one bites the dust" would have fit well
Well, I don't have that album. But you're right. Even funnier would have been something like The Beatles' "Good Day Sunshine."

What about americans that do not really care one way or the other?

Apathy is probably even worse.

What about americans that do not really care one way or the other?
Not caring is the worst thing you can do...

And their media too, sadly.

Sorry about that, Americans. Other than anyone who actually does support the war, to whom I say - I hate you very much.


Let me check my "flying fuck" file .... Nope-nothing in there-sorry.

Wonder what their problem was - Dr. Khan is their best and brightest.

This might seem very unrelated to this thread, but what the heck...

Khan is a con, a front man, he was no nuclear physicist, much less the best and brightest (if you don't include his photocopying skills, that is).

Nobel Physicist, Dr.Abdus Salam would be that man. But then he was an Ahmediyya muslim, so maybe that does not count..lol..

What about americans that do not really care one way or the other?


it's because those americans did not bother to go and vote that the world has to face the consequences of the existence of b*sh junior... sorry for the swear words used here.

Oh thank God.

This might sound stupid, but it seems to me that a lot of Americans are happy with the war in Iraq.

Sorry for that folly on my part.

S'ok ... just look at Bush's numbers. They're nearly directly related to his dirty little war.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1123

Apathy is probably even worse.

Perhaps, but i do not try to worry myself about something i have no control over one way or the other. It is useless to worry if you can not change anything.

I know, I just saw it on the news.

YEAH!!!!!

THEY GOT ZAHQAHWI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

*Dances victory dance singing victory song*


AMERICA IS WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!11


*shakes his head* go home yank.

both are terrorists...zarqahwi and bush.

it's because those americans did not bother to go and vote that the world has to face the consequences of the existence of b*sh junior... sorry for the swear words used here.

I do vote, that is something I have control over, and I exercise my right all the time.

Yes, Muravyets doesn't believe that the US committed atrocities during WW II....
Heheheh. All I have to do is snap my fingers sternly enough, and you always come to heel and do as I tell you eventually. Just like I posited in my portrait of your character, posted earlier. Too bad you didn't actually name the source, and too bad you couldn't be bothered to look for an online source that we could examine right now for ourselves. In other words, too bad your quotes are useless as debating material.

NOW (since you seem to need to be told things very sternly):

SHOW US THE QUOTES OF ME SAYING THE US/ALLIED FORCES DID NOT COMMIT ATROCITIES DURING WW2.

THEN SHOW US HOW ANY OF THESE QUOTES POSTED BY YOU SUPPORTS YOUR ASSERTION THAT THESE THINGS WERE DONE BECAUSE THE ENEMY "LOOKED" DIFFERENT.

SHOW US HOW YOUR "IT'S EASIER TO WIPE THEM OUT IF THEY'RE DIFFERENT ENOUGH" ARGUMENT IS SUPPORTED BY THE BOMBING OF DRESDEN.

AND THEN SHOW US HOW MR. KEEGAN, THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK YOU INITIALLY CITED, SUPPORTS YOUR CLAIM.

AND THEN PROVE TO US THAT ANY OF THESE ATROCITIES WAS WORSE THAN ANY OTHER BECAUSE OF THE RACE/CULTURE OF THE VICTIMS, WHICH WAS ALSO PART OF YOUR SPECIOUS ASSERTION.

I do vote, that is something I have control over, and I exercise my right all the time.

cool so you (or the americans you referred to) must care one way or the other. those who voted for bush knew what they were in for,...they certainly didn't vote because he's an eloquent and carismatic politician. surely not?!

Awesome, the biggest terrorist nation in the world killed an opposing terrorist!!!!

If you're a terrorist you are in terror everytime you hear a jet go overhead...never know when the end is near.

it's because those americans did not bother to go and vote that the world has to face the consequences of the existence of b*sh junior... sorry for the swear words used here.


No-its because we DID vote that President Bush was re-elected.

C'mon-dont you remember? They blamed his re-election on all the "Nascar dads" voting-as if it were a bad thing.

Some people just always have to have something to say to make themselves feel better.

No-its because we DID vote that President Bush was re-elected.

C'mon-dont you remember? They blamed his re-election on all the "Nascar dads" voting-as if it were a bad thing.

Some people just always have to have something to say to make themselves feel better.
The voted turnout was what? 40%?

can i remind you that 6 civilians died here, including a young mother and her child. before some og you masturbate too hard.

DM, are you actually connected with the US military in any way or do you just like pretending?

Wait, how can you criticize him for making women more capable of defending themselves from abusive assholes?

Because he isn't. He is merely giving them the false sense of security that comes with having the rock that keeps away bears.

Better for a woman to have a gun and the ability to defend herself than a broken jaw and an abusive husband, no?

Ultimately, yes it is better to have a gun than a broken jaw. Having a gun is incidental to not having a broken jaw, however. My wife does not have a gun, nor does she have a broken jaw.

He wants to kill all muslims. All 1 billion of them.

I doubt that. Probably just killem' all reactionism, but not genocide.

Perhaps, but i do not try to worry myself about something i have no control over one way or the other. It is useless to worry if you can not change anything.
Ah but you can change it. It's not like you can't organise a protest of some description after all.

If you're a terrorist you are in terror everytime you hear a jet go overhead...never know when the end is near.
And how do you know that, my dear wannabe-Marine?

I doubt that. Probably just killem' all reactionism, but not genocide.
He specifically stated that he wished to commit genocide on numerous occassions.

The voted turnout was what? 40%?


it was enough, apparently. More than enough.

it was enough, apparently. More than enough.


hm, true democracy in its purest form!

And how do you know that, my dear wannabe-Marine?


Is this name calling an attempt to bait him, or thats just how you do things?

I doubt that. Probably just killem' all reactionism, but not genocide.
He's advocated the genocide of most Middle-Eastern countries and Pakistan too.

And killing millions "in Reactionism" is still genocide, you fool.

Nope. I think you're scared you might be in there, especially since you denied that the US committed atrocities during WW II.
I'll say it again, and I'll keep saying it:

Quote me saying any such thing about WW2.

You can't because I never did, and you know it -- I'm giving you the credit of assuming you've actually looked -- and that makes you a deliberate liar.

You cannot clean your own character by trying to blacken mine.

Is this name calling an attempt to bait him, or thats just how you do things?
Baiting, basically. I don't really like DesignatedMarksman at all, surprising as that may sound to you.

By an F-16 w/ two 500 lbers.

http://media.putfile.com/Airstrike-that-killed-Al-Zarqawi
Nice one, now we can jack off together over it.

I think he is standing out quite clearly.
Ha. And that spotlight would follow him everywhere he goes, if I had my way.

can i remind you that 6 civilians died here, including a young mother and her child. before some og you masturbate too hard.

DM, are you actually connected with the US military in any way or do you just like pretending?
He's going to be a "future member" of the US Marines or somesuch. So a wannabe, pure and simple.

The voted turnout was what? 40%?

Something like that. What's truly sad, though, is the percentage of registered voters who didn't bother to vote. I'll have to dig and look that up.

We even have one person on these forums (not sure if he's still around) who didn't vote (even though he was a screaming Bush hater) because he "wanted some lunch".

Thats a pretty cowardly thing to do, there's no two ways around that fact.

Shooting someone in the back, pretty despicable and yellow.
When it's your job to kill someone it doesn't matter if you shoot him in the back just as long as you shoot him dead. The guy was in a war, not a schoolyard fight.

Ah but you can change it. It's not like you can't organise a protest of some description after all.

Let me see hmm I could get a permit then organize people and have a massive parade of 20 people in the small town i live in. Not to mention with the "free speech zones" that are created for such protests it is not like politicians will even notice or care.

What is that white thing floating around the screen? Is it a mouse pointer of some sort?

And you fill me with disgust with almost every single word of that statement. That's exceptionally racist, I thought you were a Christian. Hate isn't Christian, especially to people who have done nothing other than killing invaders.

Oh no! Freedom fighters are armed crisis!

Happened nearly five years ago, killed a mere 3000 people. Civilian deaths in Iraq, which had nothing to do with the attack?

Something in the region of 45000. That 15:1. The USA should be disgusted with itself.

That's not racist at all, so don't even start with me. Race isn't an issue with that. I'm not disgusted with myself at all, nor at my nation, nor at my leaders, nor at my troops which I pay for trough my tax dollars.

Invaders? Bah. They're criminals, murderers, and baby killers. All of them. You should read what they do-from shooting at people actively maintaining their power and water to attacking US troops who are setting up the Iraqi gov't (Seems to me like they want the US to stay in here longer) so that the people of Iraq can have a FREELY elected gov't and so that we can disengage from Iraq and leave them to rule themselves, which in turn leaves us free to deal with other trouble makers.

Don't give me that BS about how 45k were killed by the US. We didn't kill them all-most of the ones we killed were accidental, not intentional, and NOT a genocide or something else as you say. We're here to finish the job, not Opt out like clinton did when things got tough. Most of the civilian casualties from the end of Saddam to now are the result of insurgents trying to bomb US convoys,attacking Iraqi police, hitting mosques, etc.

Oh, you should read about Salman Pak. Really. That airliner thats sitting out on a runway...I wonder what iraqi and foreign men were training there for? Nope, don't think they were training Police....


:headbang:

Originally Posted by Richard Burton (Article)
"In the course of preparing myself, I realized fresh that I hate Churchill and all of his kind. They have stalked down the corridors of endless power all through history. What man of sanity would say on hearing of the atrocities committed by the Japanese: 'We shall wipe them out, everyone of them, men, women and children. There shall not be a Japanese left on the face of the earth.' Such simple-minded cravings for revenge leave me with a horrified but reluctant awe for such ferocity."
I'm unsure if you actually read the passage you quoted. If you did, and you did not appreciate what I have just highlighted, I've made it easier for you to read it and see what it says. Perhaps you'll realise something, or at the very least it'll show everyone else something.
Thank you. I repeat the passage for its beauty and truth.

Baiting, basically. I don't really like DesignatedMarksman at all, surprising as that may sound to you.

Thats obvious. Making it personal doesnt help your opinion much though.

hooray, now we've won for sure!

oh, wait...


Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890.html)
By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 10, 2006; Page A01

"The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program.
...
For the past two years, U.S. military leaders have been using Iraqi media and other outlets in Baghdad to publicize Zarqawi's role in the insurgency. The documents explicitly list the 'U.S. Home Audience' as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign.

Some senior intelligence officers believe Zarqawi's role may have been overemphasized by the propaganda campaign, which has included leaflets, radio and television broadcasts, Internet postings and at least one leak to an American journalist. Although Zarqawi and other foreign insurgents in Iraq have conducted deadly bombing attacks, they remain 'a very small part of the actual numbers,' Col. Derek Harvey
...
In a transcript of the meeting, Harvey said, 'Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is, in some ways.'
...
One internal briefing, produced by the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, said that Kimmitt had concluded that, 'The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date.'
...
Kimmitt said, 'There was clearly an information campaign to raise the public awareness of who Zarqawi was, primarily for the Iraqi audience but also with the international audience.'"

Let me see hmm I could get a permit then organize people and have a massive parade of 20 people in the small town i live in. Not to mention with the "free speech zones" that are created for such protests it is not like politicians will even notice or care.

well sitting at home watching tv is so much more efficient and would certainly get their attention immediately!

most of the ones we killed were accidental, not intentional

When "most" becomes "none", we'll talk on the same level.

I vote for color on the next one. Blurry B&W sucks!

He's advocated the genocide of most Middle-Eastern countries and Pakistan too.

And killing millions "in Reactionism" is still genocide, you fool.

I advocate genocide everytime I drive my uhaul box truck on the highway during rushour traffic. All 6,999,9999 of us except my girl, so I can start things over again.

Muravyets is standing out pretty clearly too. Said in a previous post that we can strike all references to US atrocities during WW II.

Let's call the Japanese Embassy and ask them about Hiroshima.
No, squirming worm, I said we could strike all of YOUR references to WW2 atrocities used in a lame attempt to excuse your arguments in favor of genocide. Dismissing YOU is not the same as dismissing history.

exactly. he wouldn't be anybody if the US military hadn't made him somebody. *sigh*

I advocate genocide everytime I drive my uhaul box truck on the highway during rushour traffic. All 6,999,9999 of us except my girl, so I can start things over again.


hi genocide worshipper - i'm hoping by girl you mean girlfriend rather than daughter. care to confirm?

I advocate genocide everytime I drive my uhaul box truck on the highway during rushour traffic. All 6,999,9999 of us except my girl, so I can start things over again.
That's not advocating genocide. Are you seriously that dense? Or can you not believe your hero who you practically jack off to could be anything less than the pinnacle of life itself?

When "most" becomes "none", we'll talk on the same level.

I don't count insurgents mistaken for civilians as "civilian deaths".

'Our western lives' - what's that exactly - stuff our faces with junk food until we die deformed; consuming more than we earn; paying more attention to advertst than our kids; destroying the only thing that keeps us alive - the environment just so that we can drive our brand new 4x4? Brainwashed by a president that can't even spell; using all taxes so that the war industry goes on, while his own people die from natural disasters probably caused because he prefers to make money than join the Kyoto.

Who are we - the westerns? - Superficial f*cks that believe in nothing but their own comfort. The world does not begin and end in the west you know. There's life out there; who the hell are you to tell them what's right and wrong and bomb whoever disagrees with our fake democracy.
Yet people all over the world flock to western nations. They vote with their feet and the landslide winner of this election is western civilization. Must be doing something right.

Thank you. I repeat the passage for its beauty and truth.

Unfortunately the irony seems to be lost.

Also, fascinating fact given what Burton said: Churchill never ordered the Dresden bombings; he was away at a conference. It was Ernest Bevin who gave the confirmation to attack after receiving Russian pleas for help stating that Dresden was a major defensive block of the German frontlines.

I'm arguing that people don't always recognize others as fellow human beings and that it's easy to get people to see those outside their cultural group as an enemy who can and should be killed. I'm arguing that this is a mental artifact from our early evolution and that in some situations we revert to that type of thinking and put people outside our group into the enemy category. If the US is hit hard enough, and smallpox would easily hit us hard enough, we would instinctively put everyone who we percieve to be related to the terrorists into the enemy category and seek to eliminate them.
You're also arguing in favor of it as if it is a positive force for human survival, and that is why we oppose you on this. It does not matter why any group of people might do such a thing. It is still wrong, a betrayal of civilization, and I would still call for it to be treated as a crime against humanity.

Heheheh. All I have to do is snap my fingers sternly enough, and you always come to heel and do as I tell you eventually. Just like I posited in my portrait of your character, posted earlier. Too bad you didn't actually name the source, and too bad you couldn't be bothered to look for an online source that we could examine right now for ourselves. In other words, too bad your quotes are useless as debating material.

NOW (since you seem to need to be told things very sternly):

SHOW US THE QUOTES OF ME SAYING THE US/ALLIED FORCES DID NOT COMMIT ATROCITIES DURING WW2.

THEN SHOW US HOW ANY OF THESE QUOTES POSTED BY YOU SUPPORTS YOUR ASSERTION THAT THESE THINGS WERE DONE BECAUSE THE ENEMY "LOOKED" DIFFERENT.

SHOW US HOW YOUR "IT'S EASIER TO WIPE THEM OUT IF THEY'RE DIFFERENT ENOUGH" ARGUMENT IS SUPPORTED BY THE BOMBING OF DRESDEN.

AND THEN SHOW US HOW MR. KEEGAN, THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK YOU INITIALLY CITED, SUPPORTS YOUR CLAIM.

AND THEN PROVE TO US THAT ANY OF THESE ATROCITIES WAS WORSE THAN ANY OTHER BECAUSE OF THE RACE/CULTURE OF THE VICTIMS, WHICH WAS ALSO PART OF YOUR SPECIOUS ASSERTION.

Assuming I'm on the same page as you...

Just look at the indifference to "the others" suffering today and throughout history. If you came across someone starving outside your house, and you have water and food available, I bet you’d give them some. Moreover I think most people would do the same. Now think about all the places on this plant where people are dying of starvation; are most people in society donating enough food, water, and money? No their not. I’d posit that they are able to avoid those peoples suffering because their not sentimentally attached to them, they don’t identify with them, their not close enough, so their not compelled to care.

It seems obvious that the further you feel from someone does effect you ability to sympathise. Those beheadings of western contractors in Iraq was unnecessarily brutal, I bet they were only capable of it because they saw them as different, i bet they dehumanised them.

And I’ve also seen docs about the Japanese, America war that supports the “there different, I’m unsympathetic” thesis. It probably the best explanation we have for the excelled brutality.

What is that white thing floating around the screen? Is it a mouse pointer of some sort?
aimer
not as useful then cuz they've got it pinpointed in that video, but i've seen chopper fottage, and the aimer is all over the place

well sitting at home watching tv is so much more efficient and would certainly get their attention immediately!

:) I never said I cared that much. I care far more things I value as more important in my life. THat which also I do have direct control. I am sorry if this offends you, or causes you emotional distress such as pity, but it is at least a honest answer. Besides crying or screaming or even protests do not change the minds of politicans much. Look at the illegal Immegrant protest. Did that change politcians mind in power? Not openly. What about anti war protests... yep still a war in Iraq. Hmm maybe anti/pro abortion protests... yep still the same. Over all it is useless, where individuals have power is in the voting box.

exactly. he wouldn't be anybody if the US military hadn't made him somebody. *sigh*


You dont really believe that,right?

There are two people-uh-there WERE two people releasing video tapes to the media, promising how they'd hurt us- bin laden and the late musab.

Now that he's dead, he wasnt a major player?

That may make some people feel good, but its not the truth.

I don't count insurgents mistaken for civilians as "civilian deaths".

Neither do I. An enemy combatant is an enemy combatant, however, the US does deliberately sometimes kill innocent people without reason.

Unless you think Haditha is a media lie.

hi genocide worshipper - i'm hoping by girl you mean girlfriend rather than daughter. care to confirm?

'My girl' is my lady, my chica, mia amore, my better half, etc, other nice names I have for her.

That's not advocating genocide. Are you seriously that dense? Or can you not believe your hero who you practically jack off to could be anything less than the pinnacle of life itself?

Take it in the same context of humour as you would DKs post.

Yet people all over the world flock to western nations. They vote with their feet and the landslide winner of this election is western civilization. Must be doing something right.


yeah they've got capitalism right, money money money - don't look back, don't care, walk all over whoever's left behind, money money money more money. oops,.... getting drowned, ... damn it! no more time left to make more money!

i guess depends on how you define 'winner' ...

Take it in the same context of humour as you would DKs post.
What, dead serious? He's advocated that before. You are too blind to see that the man you deify is a worthless, pathetic worm.

can i remind you that 6 civilians died here, including a young mother and her child. before some og you masturbate too hard.

DM, are you actually connected with the US military in any way or do you just like pretending?

I'm an ardent pro-US citizen, who when he is done with college, will finnaly sign the line, dot the Is, cross the Ts, and take the pledge himself.

But until then, all I can do is "og" and "Masturbate".

:headbang:

From what I heard it was 6 or 7 of his affilliates. Bah, tough luck. You can't honestly say that hanging out with the number 1 man in Iraq is a GOOD health choice.

What, dead serious? He's advocated that before. You are too blind to see that the man you deify is a worthless, pathetic worm.

You should be a poet.

Me. And obviously, other world leaders before me, including those of Allied nations during World War II.

My point is that we're all capable of it, despite Muravyets vehement denial.
Then you are not a man of sanity, obviously.

And once again you are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. I did not say people are not capable of it. I said that your insistence that everyone would be as willing a murderer/torturer/executioner as you was bogus. I WILL NOT do such things, even if I am capable of them. I will not stand by and let anyone else do them, either, if there is anything I could do to stop them.

You should be a poet.
Nah, I'd prefer not to starve to death.

You dont really believe that,right?

There are two people-uh-there WERE two people releasing video tapes to the media, promising how they'd hurt us- bin laden and the late musab.

Now that he's dead, he wasnt a major player?

That may make some people feel good, but its not the truth.


Releasing video tapes doesnt make you somebody. Musab did have a leadership role yes, but a very small one. When the US military started their campaign to give Musab a name, he gained notoriety and was therefore given the chance to taken advantage of it and gained much more power and control over more forces.

So yes he was a major player... after the US military made him somebody, before that he was a second rate Jordanian criminal.

It's called an "insurance round".

A military tradition since WW II, IIRC.


They did use two, huh? Thats why some of him got on the outside of my house.

Now that he's dead, he wasnt a major player?

he never was. he was a bit player who had his role inflated by a u.s. psyops campaign. as was obvious even before the articles demonstrating such came out.

Nah, I'd prefer not to starve to death.

:) Great response :)

:) I never said I cared that much. I care far more things I value as more important in my life. THat which also I do have direct control. I am sorry if this offends you, or causes you emotional distress such as pity, but it is at least a honest answer. Besides crying or screaming or even protests do not change the minds of politicans much. Look at the illegal Immegrant protest. Did that change politcians mind in power? Not openly. What about anti war protests... yep still a war in Iraq. Hmm maybe anti/pro abortion protests... yep still the same. Over all it is useless, where individuals have power is in the voting box.


fair enough... but going out protesting just reminds people that we're not all the same, not all sheep,.... and the streets are ours (not in a romantic way, we just pay tax for them etc etc) so we can do whatever we want,... even if it changes nothing, it shows we care! maybe you'd go out to protest if it affected you directly personally or someone you really cared about.

Nah, I'd prefer not to starve to death.

As a poet you'll probably end up starving anyway.

fair enough... but going out protesting just reminds people that we're not all the same, not all sheep,.... and the streets are ours (not in a romantic way, we just pay tax for them etc etc) so we can do whatever we want,... even if it changes nothing, it shows we care! maybe you'd go out to protest if it affected you directly personally or someone you really cared about.

That is true, I most likely would. So far though either thourgh a blessed or boring life, I have yet to experience such an emotion so strong that I have wanted to.

What about americans that do not really care one way or the other?
Silence is consent, as my high-school civics teacher used to say. There is no honor in just standing by while an injustice is committed in your name.

As a poet you'll probably end up starving anyway.
That was the joke. Nice of you to explain it.

I wonder who gets the bounty ...

Let me paraphrase, then:

"What man of sanity would say on hearing of the atrocities committed by Al Quaeda: 'We shall wipe them out, everyone of them, men, women and children. There shall not be a Muslim left on the face of the earth.'
That's exactly how I and many other people felt immediately after 9/11. It's natural to feel that way when your nation is attacked. Doesn't necessarily mean you follow through with it, but if the attack is sufficiently horrific, like if Al Qaeda used weaponized smallpox, I'm betting civilized behavior would go out the window in favor of primitive instinct to exterminate the enemy.

Releasing video tapes doesnt make you somebody. Musab did have a leadership role yes, but a very small one. When the US military started their campaign to give Musab a name, he gained notoriety and was therefore given the chance to taken advantage of it and gained much more power and control over more forces.

So yes he was a major player... after the US military made him somebody, before that he was a second rate Jordanian criminal.


you might have a led to stand on if you were claiming the US military tried to mkae him more important than he was AFTER he was captured or killed, but no- he was running the show there.
Second rate? No- he was a first rate murderer with two or three death sentence convictions against him.

was a second thread really needed?

exactly. he wouldn't be anybody if the US military hadn't made him somebody. *sigh*

Because beheading american's won't get you on the list of the American Military.


In fact, you'll be bumped down a few spots on the "importante" list.

That is true, I most likely would. So far though either thourgh a blessed or boring life, I have yet to experience such an emotion so strong that I have wanted to.


give it time... maybe when your government threats to bomb your house if you say you'd rather be governed by hmm let's say France.

That's not racist at all, so don't even start with me. Race isn't an issue with that. I'm not disgusted with myself at all, nor at my nation, nor at my leaders, nor at my troops which I pay for trough my tax dollars.
Calling Arabs "goat humping towel heads" isn't racist nowadays?

Wow... the standards on racism must have dropped.
Invaders? Bah. They're criminals, murderers, and baby killers. All of them.
Oh the joys of sweeping generalisations.

Fine - all of the US troops are slack-jawed idiots who shoot civilians down when they get pissed off, and vandalise mosques.

There. That's equally as valid as your statement.
You should read what they do
I do. What they do is kill invaders. Every day.
-from shooting at people actively maintaining their power and water
As in Haliburton, whose other job is to work as "private contractors" i.e. murderors for hire who can act without fear of war crimes tribunals?
to attacking US troops who are setting up the Iraqi gov't
Most of the people fighting back don't actually want an elected government. Most of them want to get Saddam out of that sham trial and back as the leader...
(Seems to me like they want the US to stay in here longer)
Yes, so that they can kill more of them...
so that the people of Iraq can have a FREELY elected gov't
Yep, they were "free" to pick whoever the Coalition wanted in power.
and so that we can disengage from Iraq and leave them to rule themselves
You'd best be paying reparations when you leave.
which in turn leaves us free to deal with other trouble makers.
New for 2009! The Syrians!

Don't give me that BS about how 45k were killed by the US.
It's not BS, there have been several studies done on this, actually, and all of them say 45k due to the US or higher.
We didn't kill them all-most of the ones we killed were accidental, not intentional
Yeah, "most of". That's a crap excuse. How would you like 45000 US civilians to become "collateral damage"?
and NOT a genocide or something else as you say.
Oh yeah - now I remember - I didn't do that!
We're here to finish the job, not Opt out like clinton did when things got tough.
And what "job" is that?

PROTECT IRAQI FREEDOMS FROM TOWEL HEADED GOAT HUMPING INSURGENTS, right?
Most of the civilian casualties from the end of Saddam to now are the result of insurgents trying to bomb US convoys,attacking Iraqi police, hitting mosques, etc.
Yes, I know, but that doesn't make it any more excusable that the American forces are doing it too...
Oh, you should read about Salman Pak. Really. That airliner thats sitting out on a runway...I wonder what iraqi and foreign men were training there for? Nope, don't think they were training Police....
I don't know what they were doing, why not take them to Gitmo for a couple of years without trial, and ask them at length what they were doing, whilst torturing them to get the answers you want to hear?
:headbang:
I know exactly what you mean.

Dont waste your time or breath with this one, DCD.
But I'm bored and some parts of this thread have been interesting.

I doubt that. Probably just killem' all reactionism, but not genocide.
Read the whole of your own thread. And then maybe you could go out and fill your quota of parking tickets.

"Every time senior U.S. officials intone the name "Zarqawi"—every time they describe him as the No. 1 foe or credit him with the foulest anti-American deeds—his stock soars higher on the jihadist street." - Fred Kaplan

If that doesn't seem obvious to you then I don't know what to tell you but yes the military gave him his street cred as a major player

That's exactly how I and many other people felt immediately after 9/11. It's natural to feel that way when your nation is attacked. Doesn't necessarily mean you follow through with it, but if the attack is sufficiently horrific, like if Al Qaeda used weaponized smallpox, I'm betting civilized behavior would go out the window in favor of primitive instinct to exterminate the enemy.

I don't doubt you did. I can perfectly understand that. However, I've yet to see you advocate genocide and mass round-ups of anyone Muslim or Arabic in nature. That is what seperates you from DK.

All 6,999,9999 of us except my girl, so I can start things over again.
"Your" girl?

Oh the joys of casual chauvinism!

But I'm bored and some parts of this thread have been interesting.

Indeed.

give it time... maybe when your government threats to bomb your house if you say you'd rather be governed by hmm let's say France.

In that unlikly hypothetical scenerio yes I would. Who would not?

Oh the joys of casual chauvinism!

*snicker*

"Every time senior U.S. officials intone the name "Zarqawi"—every time they describe him as the No. 1 foe or credit him with the foulest anti-American deeds—his stock soars higher on the jihadist street." - Fred Kaplan

If that doesn't seem obvious to you then I don't know what to tell you but yes the military gave him his street cred as a major player


He was their top piece of shit in the region. I dont have the energy to post his list of crimes against humanity now.

He's dead and as Martha Stewart says-its a good thing.