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(06-08) 00:30 PDT BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) --


Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was expected to make an important announcement at a news conference in Baghdad on Thursday amid a report that al-Qaida in Iraq chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi may have been killed, his adviser said.


Al-Maliki adviser Adnan al-Kazimi told The Associated Press there was a report that al-Zarqawi may have been killed late Wednesday in Baghdad. He said he could not confirm the report.


He said al-Maliki was scheduled to shortly give a news conference along with the top U.S. general in Iraq, Gen. George Casey.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/06/08/international/i003054D33.DTL

While nice... but how many times have we heard this before?

While nice... but how many times have we heard this before?
This is at least the fifth time (wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi#Claims_of_death)).

This is at least the fifth time (wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi#Claims_of_death)).
Ah, so THAT'S what happened to the clone army after Star Wars was over!

lol true.

Say, do u guys think Bin laden's dead?

Looks like its kosher....

But this one seems to be for real. :confused:

Was anyone watching TV today, caught maybe a life switch to a news conference or something?

Cuz BBC is saying it too!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5058304.stm

Same for NBC.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13195017/

But until I see pictures or something, I suppose you can't be sure. But if it is true, then good riddance.

yeah, i was lol

good old BBC news hehe

So it's been confirmed. Next question: will it make any real difference to the insurgency?

I dknow man...

I would like to think so, but u can never be certain

I was always of the opinion that al Zarqawi was not AQ...rather was his own special brand of Islamoloony-ism...and that was the case for a long time....then what 2 years ago he seems to have joined bin Laden...

I still cannot help but think that this was a marriage of conviniance rather than one of alliance based on friendship...

Did bin-Laden do al Zarqawi? with the Iraqi death toll at 1000 a month I wonder...

Bin laden and Al zaqwari (did i spell that right?) have been allied with eachother for whatever reason since 1997.

I suppose this is it. The guy's dead. Finally.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_AL_ZARQAWI?SITE=TXMCA&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&SECTION=HOME
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2006-06-08T074331Z_01_L02782849_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ.xml

CNN has it too. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.al.zarqawi/index.html

Though I think it's funny I found it first through a newspaper.

As to any effect this will have... I'm doubtful. It seems a lot of the insurgents are Iraqis pissed off at us for being in Iraq rather than AQ operations.

Though it may slow down some of the more spectacular strikes.

And another thing, it really annoys me when the news goes on about Taliban fighters. The taliban is to islam what catholicism is to christianity. It's just a religious group. It just so happens that AQ members seem to like saying their part of this religious group to give them another reason to fight.

Bin laden and Al zaqwari (did i spell that right?) have been allied with eachother for whatever reason since 1997.
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/203gpuul.asp
This is the full text I believe of a letter AQ head Al Zawahiri sent to Al Zarqawi last year. Tells you a lot about the relationship.

Bin laden and Al zaqwari (did i spell that right?) have been allied with eachother for whatever reason since 1997.

Source?

Bin laden and Al zaqwari (did i spell that right?) have been allied with eachother for whatever reason since 1997.

not sure about that....they have been bitter rivals since the 80's...

I would wait b4 celebration. Although I have a feeling that this is it...he has been on the run for some time now...

I would wait b4 celebration. Although I have a feeling that this is it...he has been on the run for some time now...

The Iraqi PM flanked by the US Generals confirmed it....it was just on the telly...

The Iraqi PM flanked by the US Generals confirmed it....it was just on the telly...


Whatever happened to the Iraq information minister under Saddam? Baghdad Bob?

Whatever happened to the Iraq information minister under Saddam? Baghdad Bob?

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

He's working on Abu Dhabi TV....

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/Al-Sahaf.alsahaf.jpg

he was pretty damn funny though....ultimate optimist....it gave a glance into the psychology of Nero...

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/Al-Sahaf.alsahaf.jpg

he was pretty damn funny though....ultimate optimist....it gave a glance into the psychology of Nero...

And a glance into how not very dissimilar our own government's spinmeisters are.

And a glance into how not very dissimilar our own government's spinmeisters are.

Oh yeah...

Well, MSN is reporting it as well.

I say BULLSHIT.

Show me a corpse.

Everyone's reporting it. Even YTMND got into it!

http://zarqawibyebye.ytmnd.com/

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Al Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, has been killed in a joint U.S. and Iraqi military raid north of Baghdad, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki announced on Thursday.

Jordanian-born Zarqawi, who had sworn loyalty to Osama bin Laden, had come to symbolize the radical Islamic insurgency against U.S. occupation in which thousands had been killed.

U.S. officials in Iraq hailed his killing, but warned that Zarqawi's followers still posed a security threat to Iraq.


British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Zarqawi's death was a blow against al Qaeda everywhere.

"Today Zarqawi has been terminated," Maliki, who took office on May 20 on a pledge to crush a Sunni Arab insurgency, told a televised news conference attended by the top U.S. commander in Iraq, General George Casey, and other senior officials.

"Every time a Zarqawi appears we will kill him," Maliki said. "We will continue confronting whoever follows his path. It is an open war between us."

Casey said the body of Zarqawi, who had a $25 million U.S. bounty on his head, had been identified and that details of his death will be revealed later on Thursday.

...for more, see:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2006-06-08T085428Z_01_L02782849_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ.xml


I hope this gives all of those that have suffered because of this bastard some closure.

Victory!

Identified by WHOM?

So it's been confirmed. Next question: will it make any real difference to the insurgency?

Apparently one of his top Lieutenants told Jordanian intelligence where he was and the US organised the Air Strike.

I it will take time for Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia to find a new leader with all the mistrust. It could be a far more violent and smarted leader that replaces him!

Identified by WHOM?

his pet hamster

Victory!


Oh yes.....just like the dubbed victory for the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars. :rolleyes:


This guy has been 'confirmed' dead several times now. So until a credible source identifies him, this is just propaganda bullshit.

no he has not been confirmed dead before.

This guy has been 'confirmed' dead several times now. So until a credible source identifies him, this is just propaganda bullshit.

CNN says he's dead...

Oh yes.....just like the dubbed victory for the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars. :rolleyes:


This guy has been 'confirmed' dead several times now. So until a credible source identifies him, this is just propaganda bullshit.

Reuters isn't good enough for you? What do you want, skywriting from the almightly beneath a rainbow?

I dunno man, I wanna see a body.

If you were this guy, why would you be a few miles way from Bagdhad?

If hes truly dead, great.

Good riddance to bad rubbish, but I aint believing it, until I see it.

Reuters isn't good enough for you? What do you want, skywriting from the almightly beneath a rainbow?
No, no, no! It has to be huge flaming pillar letters on Mount Sinai, or it just isn't worth it!

Well in all fairness the media isn't the most trustworthy source in the world.
If I see a body,I'll believe it.
Or the letters on Mount Sinai.
Either way suits me.

I dunno man, I wanna see a body.

If you were this guy, why would you be a few miles way from Bagdhad?

If hes truly dead, great.

Good riddance to bad rubbish, but I aint believing it, until I see it.

It's exactly where I would be... what could be safer than within a safe house within the enemy's green/safe zone? Let them toss houses all they want in the Sunni Triangle -- they'll never find you, and as bin Laden shows, it's hard to run an insurgency from the mountains.

I'm sure the pictures will be on the news channels with the official announcement soon.

2 down (Hussein & Zarqawi), 1 (bin Laden) to go!

It's exactly where I would be... what could be safer than within a safe house within the enemy's green/safe zone? Let them toss houses all they want in the Sunni Triangle -- they'll never find you, and as bin Laden shows, it's hard to run an insurgency from the mountains.

I'm sure the pictures will be on the news channels with the official announcement soon.

2 down (Hussein & Zarqawi), 1 (bin Laden) to go!

Or maybe this aint the guy, and they bombed the wrong man, and claimed it was the right one.

If you'll remember, theyve claimed to have gotten Osama with a Predator drone, too.
They recanted a day or so later.

I wouldnt hold your breath, just yet.

CNN says he's dead...

CNN has "confirmed" his death before.


Reuters isn't good enough for you? What do you want, skywriting from the almightly beneath a rainbow?

How about an actual photo of his body?


But please, excuse me for being skeptical. I don't want to take your precious 'victory' away from you. :rolleyes:

2 down (Hussein & Zarqawi), 1 (bin Laden) to go!
Remember the "card deck"? Only 10 of those 55 most wanted are still missing. Has the situation cooled down in Iraq?

Yeah, the truth is that even if he really is dead, there will be 5 guys ready to take his place.
In fact..now hes a martyr.

How about an actual photo of his body?

Have you ever seen Hitler's body?

Have you ever seen Hitler's body?

I've seen the picture of the charred mass that was claiming to be his body. But then again there were always conspiracies surrounding that. Shall we get into that?

We got the bitch. :)

Now maybe we can get the fuck out if Iraq and let that poor country heal.

We gotta get Osama the exact same way. They used his videos to locate him;)

Meh.

Doesn't really change the situation now does it?

Meh.

Doesn't really change the situation now does it?

Except that the head of Al Queda in Iraq is dead. A major blow for terrorism.

Remember the "card deck"? Only 10 of those 55 most wanted are still missing. Has the situation cooled down in Iraq?
Hey.. shutup.. don't come up in here with all your logic and stuff. Let us celebrate our hollow victories while we can.

I just heard Bush's speech. He is definately dead./

I just heard Bush's speech. He is definately dead.

I just heard Bush's speech. He is definately dead.

Except that the head of Al Queda in Iraq is dead. A major blow for terrorism.
Excellent. We should be seeing a complete cessation to violence in Iraq now then.

Oh.. wait.

AP reports that AQ-Iraq has confirmed his death as well. I guess they ID'd his body from fingerprints, scars, and face.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iraq_al_zarqawi;_ylt=AmDPh9omDpEBIhqZZzCBz6dX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

So it looks like he is dead. Now we'll see if this means anything.

The american army promised to show photos of the corpse :ugh:, so I guess this time is for real.

Well, if he was killed during an airstrike, I don't think there will be much of him left for a photo, but meh.

In any case, that guy was a serial killer who didn't show any mercy or comtempt for unarmed, civilians and the like.

That makes me glad he's dead.

Except that the head of Al Queda in Iraq is dead. A major blow for terrorism.

Ah yes. A major blow for a tactic. :rolleyes: Terrorism has been around since we've been killing each other. The only thing changed is the methods i.e. technology. This is not a major blow for terrorism. A major blow for his group, but it's likely another will just step up in his place.

Meh.

Doesn't really change the situation now does it?

Look at your fingernails. You might say, "They need cutting, but since they'll grow back anyway, I won't bother". But you cut your fingernails.

It only takes a fanatic to be a terrorist. But to be a top terrorist, you have to be intelligent, clever, and fanatic. Those don't grow on trees. So he'll have to be replaced (along with seven of his top closest leaders under him). That takes time. In the meantime, in order to reorganize, the decentralized organization has to show itself in order for the new leader to take control.

That makes them vulnerable.

I doubt very much that this will make a difference. It seems like it's business as usual in Baghdad - two bombs, 15 dead, and 36 injured.

Perhaps it could even make things worse. My newspaper claims that tensions had been growing in the past months between domestic fighters and foreign fighters. So if al-Zarqawi has been killed then this would feasibly reduce the influence of this group and allow the domestic fighters to focus purely on the Iraqi government and Coalition military.

Though credit where credit is due. The US seems to have done what they intended without causing civilian casualities.

Ah yes. A major blow for a tactic. :rolleyes: Terrorism has been around since we've been killing each other. The only thing changed is the methods i.e. technology. This is not a major blow for terrorism. A major blow for his group, but it's likely another will just step up in his place.

Ok let me rephrase that, a major blow for Islamist Terroism. It is unlikely that you will ever see another terrorist group at the same scale as Al Queda in the next decade.

Look at your fingernails. You might say, "They need cutting, but since they'll grow back anyway, I won't bother". But you cut your fingernails.

It only takes a fanatic to be a terrorist. But to be a top terrorist, you have to be intelligent, clever, and fanatic. Those don't grow on trees. So he'll have to be replaced (along with seven of his top closest leaders under him). That takes time. In the meantime, in order to reorganize, the decentralized organization has to show itself in order for the new leader to take control.

That makes them vulnerable.

All based on the assumption that he was behind nearly all of the violence.

It had already transcended him and his group. It out grew him and seizing on this small 'victory' only shifts focus away from the larger tensions inderscoring the country- Shia/Iranian, Sunni and Kurdish nationalist ambitions.

He might have sparked the sectarian tensions, but they will continue long after he and his group has gone and ceased to be influential. Such is the way of sectarianism.

I doubt very much that this will make a difference. It seems like it's business as usual in Baghdad - two bombs, 15 dead, and 36 injured.

Perhaps it could even make things worse. My newspaper claims that tensions had been growing in the past months between domestic fighters and foreign fighters. So if al-Zarqawi has been killed then this would feasibly reduce the influence of this group and allow the domestic fighters to focus purely on the Iraqi government and Coalition military.

Though credit where credit is due. The US seems to have done what they intended without causing civilian casualities.

It might give some terrorist leaders the shakes. Evidently, for two weeks, Special Forces were following Zarqawi on foot (and following his spiritual leader on foot as well). This, in neighborhoods that are very unfriendly to US forces, and sympathetic to Zarqawi.

Evidently, no one saw the Special Forces soldiers. Who went to great lengths to make sure it was Zarqawi before calling in the airstrike.

If I was a terrorist leader, I would wonder how Special Forces were operating on foot outside Zarqawi's house without being detected. It would scare me.

It might give some terrorist leaders the shakes. Evidently, for two weeks, Special Forces were following Zarqawi on foot (and following his spiritual leader on foot as well). This, in neighborhoods that are very unfriendly to US forces, and sympathetic to Zarqawi.

Evidently, no one saw the Special Forces soldiers. Who went to great lengths to make sure it was Zarqawi before calling in the airstrike.

If I was a terrorist leader, I would wonder how Special Forces were operating on foot outside Zarqawi's house without being detected. It would scare me.Where did you get the infomation about the special forces? I'm not saying it's wrong, just implying that someone has the know about the the actions of the special forces to be concerned by them. That is, the articles I have read don't contain and infomation about special forces.

But anyway, we shall see what happens in the coming weeks. Hopefully it will calm the violence, but I doubt it.

I killed him and I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those pesky kids and that darn dog!

So, when is USA going find Osama? :D

Yay? :confused:
Forgive me for being Pessimistic but I expect alot of random bombings soon.

So, when is USA going find Osama? :D

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5907/itfinallyhappened0ea.jpg

Theres your comical answer for now :D


As for the realistic one...

http://www.overspun.com/images/Bush.shrug.jpg

All based on the assumption that he was behind nearly all of the violence.

It had already transcended him and his group. It out grew him and seizing on this small 'victory' only shifts focus away from the larger tensions inderscoring the country- Shia/Iranian, Sunni and Kurdish nationalist ambitions.

He might have sparked the sectarian tensions, but they will continue long after he and his group has gone and ceased to be influential. Such is the way of sectarianism.


If thats the case, killing him and the douchebags with him was a good step in the right direction. Keep hunting them and killing them.

So, when is USA going find Osama? :D


He'll be found,sooner or later, dead or alive.

Many people doubted sadaam would be captured-alive no less.

Hey.. shutup.. don't come up in here with all your logic and stuff. Let us celebrate our hollow victories while we can.


How is this a "hollow victory" again?

A lowlife piece of shit that personally beheaded Americans has recieved his justice, finally.

Unless he was your underdog and you were rooting for him.

He'll be found,sooner or later, dead or alive.

Many people doubted sadaam would be captured-alive no less.
And many people also said that once we had Saddam the violence in Iraq would stop.

He'll be found,sooner or later, dead or alive.

Many people doubted sadaam would be captured-alive no less.

Maybe he'll be found smoking some Hashish with the President of Iran! :p

I dunno man, I wanna see a body.

If you were this guy, why would you be a few miles way from Bagdhad?

If hes truly dead, great.

Good riddance to bad rubbish, but I aint believing it, until I see it.


Maybe they'll shave him down to ID and delouse his corpse and the bloated dead remains will be shown to the world later.

And many people also said that once we had Saddam the violence in Iraq would stop.


Who said that again?

One thing is for sure-the violence he and his son's were responsible for stopped.

Maybe he'll be found smoking some Hashish with the President of Iran! :p

If thats the case, hopefully they'll be "found" by special forces.

Who said that again?
President Bush, amoung others in the media. The usual crew here in General.

One thing is for sure-the violence he and his son's were responsible for stopped.
Did it?

President Bush, amoung others in the media. The usual crew here in General.


Did it?

Have I noticed that the same people who complain that "Bush hasn't gotten Bin Laden yet!" are the same people who say, "It doesn't do any good to kill a terrorist leader!"

Yes, I've noticed.

Alcida (I know I spelled that wrong) said he is dead, and there is fingerprint identifacation, so I think he is probably dead. still, if anything, it will make things worse. They have a good martyr to fight for. Saddam didn't work, I don't think he was religious enough. and he's not dead.

I won't claim that this will reduce terrorism, but the self-delusion of AQII is entertaining:

"We want to give you the joyous news of the martyrdom of the mujahed sheik Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," said the statement, signed by "Abu Abdel-Rahman al-Iraqi," identified as the deputy "emir" or leader of al-Qaida in Iraq.

"The death of our leaders is life for us.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060608/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_zarqawi_qaida


Our leaders are dead! YAY! We're winning!

Damn! Don't the US military know the script?
He wasn't to be killed until late September/early October!
Now what is the Bush Admin got to pull out just before the November elections?

Damn! Don't the US military know the script?
He wasn't to be killed until late September/early October!
Now what is the Bush Admin got to pull out just before the November elections?

Doing the same thing to Bin Laden.

To be a top terrorist, you have to be intelligent, clever, and fanatic.
Isn't this the same Zarqawi that you, along with others here and in the US military, were ridiculing only a couple of weeks back over the vid showing him unable to fire a gun properly?
When he was alive, he was a bumbling oaf.
Now that he's dead, he's intelligent and clever.

IS the media stuck on spin cycle, or what?

Dizzy,
I'm so Dizzy, my head is spinning
Like a whirlpool, it never ends
And it's you girl, making it spin
you're making me dizzy


fyi, he was barely literate.

Damn! Don't the US military know the script?
He wasn't to be killed until late September/early October!
Now what is the Bush Admin got to pull out just before the November elections?
Well he needed Something to cover up his failed attempt to ban gay marriage
:D

Isn't this the same Zarqawi that you, along with others here and in the US military, were ridiculing only a couple of weeks back over the vid showing him unable to fire a gun properly?
When he was alive, he was a bumbling oaf.
Now that he's dead, he's intelligent and clever.

IS the media stuck on spin cycle, or what?

Dizzy,
I'm so Dizzy, my head is spinning
Like a whirlpool, it never ends
And it's you girl, making it spin
you're making me dizzy


fyi, he was barely literate.

He can be intelligent,clever and fanatic but still be clumsy with an unfamiliar weapon. He can still be an inspirational leader to his horde of fanatical shitheads.

I'm sure bin laden cant shoot straight either.

Doing the same thing to Bin Laden.

The same Bin Laden they've been trying to find and kill for, what, five odd years without success?

The same Bin Laden they've been trying to find and kill for, what, five odd years without success?
Hey, we needed a boogey-man.

How the fuck does gay marriage intertwine with a man who finally got his body blown into fucking pieces and possibly would hate gays much more than Bush hates the idea of Gay Marriage in America? People need to know when to shut the fuck up and need to stop turning every neutral seeming conversation into a political fuck fest.

Get a life you ass hole.

How the fuck does gay marriage intertwine with a man who finally got his body blown into fucking pieces and possibly would hate gays much more than Bush hates the idea of Gay Marriage in America? People need to know when to shut the fuck up and need to stop turning every neutral seeming conversation into a political fuck fest.

Get a life you ass hole.
Just a joke settle down, there.

The same Bin Laden they've been trying to find and kill for, what, five odd years without success?

So, which do you believe - that it's not worth killing a top terrorist (because you think it doesn't do any good), or we should be killing them?

And if you're so smart, where's Bin Laden?

Thats good and all, but lets see how this affects the insurgency.

How the fuck does gay marriage intertwine with a man who finally got his body blown into fucking pieces and possibly would hate gays much more than Bush hates the idea of Gay Marriage in America? People need to know when to shut the fuck up and need to stop turning every neutral seeming conversation into a political fuck fest.

Get a life you ass hole.


They're just trying to make a success look bad. They want to believe he was annihilated now to help draw attention away from something else because it makes them feel better.

The reality is-he is finally dead. He needed to be dead. He may be replaced by another stinking shit stain, but that one will be hunted like vermin and killed too.

And their cheerleaders will keep shriek and try to find something wrong with it.

So it's been confirmed. Next question: will it make any real difference to the insurgency?

Take Saddam Hussein’s capture by the American troops for instance, that did not affect the insurgency what so ever. We've seen that these insurgence (especially the foreign ones) only seek death, so the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi may not hamper their cause but only fuel it. When will the battles between insurgency and counter insurgency last? When the Iraqis feel enough is enough.

Well, he's definitely dead. There's a pic of his dead face on CNN. He looks good for a dead guy.

And if you're so smart, where's Bin Laden?
Let's be fair now DK I don't think Skinny has Access to the same info asthe US milltary.

I'm just proud to say I was telling people we did it with F-16s before it was ever announced. :cool:

Good riddance. not that it does Daniel Berg any good...but I'll never forget watching that scumbag cut his head off...it took a while Dan but we got him .

Thats good and all, but lets see how this affects the insurgency.

It certainly wont help it much.

How the fuck does gay marriage intertwine with a man who finally got his body blown into fucking pieces and possibly would hate gays much more than Bush hates the idea of Gay Marriage in America? People need to know when to shut the fuck up and need to stop turning every neutral seeming conversation into a political fuck fest.

Get a life you ass hole.

From which part of hell these trolls come out?

You're not exactly proposing a peaceful conversation instead of a...And I quote, "political fuck fest".

About Bin Laden, well, if I recall correctly, was fairly proficient with firearms.

Good riddance. not that it does Daniel Berg any good...but I'll never forget watching that scumbag cut his head off...it took a while Dan but we got him .

You're mixing up Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl.

They're just trying to make a success look bad. They want to believe he was annihilated now to help draw attention away from something else because it makes them feel better.

The reality is-he is finally dead. He needed to be dead. He may be replaced by another stinking shit stain, but that one will be hunted like vermin and killed too.

And their cheerleaders will keep shriek and try to find something wrong with it.
Hold on, Hold on sense You guys can't seem to notice it IT WAS A JOKEBearing no Seriousness what so ever.

I'm glad he's dead and I think in the long run it's going to drag the terroists down.Now maybe we can focus on the reconstruction efforts.

I actually heard Zarqawi's brother in law interviewed this morning calling the dead shitstain a martyr. The people in Zarqawi's home town in Jordan seem to think he's a hero. Kinda makes me wish we'd drop a few bombs on that town.

I actually heard Zarqawi's brother in law interviewed this morning calling the dead shitstain a martyr. The people in Zarqawi's home town in Jordan seem to think he's a hero. Kinda makes me wish we'd drop a few bombs on that town.

After the bombing of the hotel in Amman, I'm sure the Jordanian government will deal with them. ;)

Let's be fair now DK I don't think Skinny has Access to the same info asthe US milltary.

I dont think it matters. Neither have his whereabouts.

According to my mexican friend at work, Bin Laden is currently in Mexico. Why do you ask, would he be in mexico? Becuase according to my friend, nobody would ever think to look fo him there.

It makes sense to me, so I'm planning to scour the beaches for anyone with a big beard and ak-47.

good riddance

According to my mexican friend at work, Bin Laden is currently in Mexico. Why do you ask, would he be in mexico? Becuase according to my friend, nobody would ever think to look fo him there.

It makes sense to me, so I'm planning to scour the beaches for anyone with a big beard and ak-47.

And good drugs.

According to my mexican friend at work, Bin Laden is currently in Mexico. Why do you ask, would he be in mexico? Becuase according to my friend, nobody would ever think to look fo him there.

It makes sense to me, so I'm planning to scour the beaches for anyone with a big beard and ak-47.
:eek: How would he get there...?

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/06/08/international/i003054D33.DTL

While nice... but how many times have we heard this before?

He's dead, man. They identified his body and everything--check out CNN.com.

I don't know if this is still on topic, but CNN and what not is covering a press confrence and what's his face, is dead.

I don't know if this is still on topic, but CNN and what not is covering a press confrence and what's his face, is dead.

Not going to post it here, but anyone wishing to see the CCN pic of Zarqawi that the US military showed in its press conference from Baghdad can click here (http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.al.zarqawi/story.compare.pool.jpg).

Sigh.... If he truly is dead, he'll never be able to show off his 1337 machinegun skills ever again...:p

Im sorry. I cant help but think "who cares?" He was just another insurgent.

You're mixing up Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl.

You know your right...crap if I had to type every name of those he killed or was directly responsible for killing ..from Americans to Iraqi's..to Zimbabaweh's.... It would take more than one post .

That fucker REALLY needed killing..its a shame we cant bring him back and do it again.

Not going to post it here, but anyone wishing to see the CCN pic of Zarqawi that the US military showed in its press conference from Baghdad can click here (http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.al.zarqawi/story.compare.pool.jpg).
He's quite sexy when he's dead :D

Im sorry. I cant help but think "who cares?" He was just another insurgent.
No he wasn't. He was a terrorist who intentionally targeted civilians. Insurgents fight the occupying force. One can respect an enemy who plays by certain rules, but terrorists are lowest rank of scum.

No he wasn't. He was a terrorist who intentionally targeted civilians. Insurgents fight the occupying force. One can respect an enemy who plays by certain rules, but terrorists are lowest rank of scum.

...News to me...

He's quite sexy when he's dead :D

You're one sick bastage. :p

No he wasn't. He was a terrorist who intentionally targeted civilians. Insurgents fight the occupying force. One can respect an enemy who plays by certain rules, but terrorists are lowest rank of scum.


This particular scumbag shit stain also personally chopped off the heads of at least two Americans.

No he wasn't. He was a terrorist who intentionally targeted civilians. Insurgents fight the occupying force. One can respect an enemy who plays by certain rules, but terrorists are lowest rank of scum.
Were the IRA insurgents then?

"The only difference between martyrdom and suicide is publicity"

(I just like the quote, so sue me).

We now have a dead martyr rather than a live leader. Assuming (and it's not a big assumption) there's at least one guy behind him who can keep the whole thing alive they just gained an untouchable figurehead.

I can't say I'm sorry to see him gone, I just have severe doubts as to how much it'll hit the insurgency.

You're one sick bastage. :p
:D

Were the IRA insurgents then?

No, although I support their cause, they've attacked civilians on numerous occasions. They're terrorists.

No, although I support their cause, they've attacked civilians on numerous occasions. They're terrorists.
But the IRA did both. Targeted civilians and fought the 'occupying powers'.

Does that make them both terrorists and insurgents?

Or maybe, life isn't that clear cut to slap a lovely label on something! :eek:

But the IRA did both. Targeted civilians and fought the 'occupying powers'.

Does that make them both terrorists and insurgents?

Or maybe, life isn't that clear cut to slap a lovely label on something! :eek:
It's "terrorist" when you intentionally attack unarmed civilians to produce a sense of terror.

So, technically, the Marines involved at Haditha acted as terrorists. So they're going to be court martialed.

And anyone who does car bombs, IEDs, and random killings of civilians with the primary purpose of intimidating people is a terrorist.

Especially if they avoid directly attacking military forces.

But the IRA did both. Targeted civilians and fought the 'occupying powers'.

Does that make them both terrorists and insurgents?

Or maybe, life isn't that clear cut to slap a lovely label on something! :eek:

Or maybe they stepped over the line by attacking civilians and became terrorists. Taking the GPO? Let's see...a government building. Fair target. Hitting British tube stations and killing civilians? Terrorist attack.

It'll hurt the terrorists a little (by taking out their leader, the organization will lose some of their effectiveness).
The main thing we need to focus on is that revenge has been made. Killing Bin Laden might not destroy Al Quada, but we want that sucker dead for killing all those Americans. Zarqawi needed to be punished for his crimes as well.

I hope him, Mohammad, and the rest of the Islamic "martyrs" enjoy the lake of fire.

It's "terrorist" when you intentionally attack unarmed civilians to produce a sense of terror.

So, technically, the Marines involved at Haditha acted as terrorists. So they're going to be court martialed.

And anyone who does car bombs, IEDs, and random killings of civilians with the primary purpose of intimidating people is a terrorist.

Especially if they avoid directly attacking military forces.

Fair enough then, if you are not using that label as a permanent tag. I wonder what the reaction would be if someone used the terrorist actions of Haditha to call the Marines fully fledged terrorists.... ;)

I just think DCD's label was too black and white.

It's "terrorist" when you intentionally attack unarmed civilians to produce a sense of terror.

So, technically, the Marines involved at Haditha acted as terrorists. So they're going to be court martialed.

No, they're uniformed military service members. They're war criminals (assuming the charges are true -- innocent till proven guilty and all), not terrorists.

Fair enough then, if you are not using that label as a permanent tag. I wonder what the reaction would be if someone used the terrorist actions of Haditha to call the Marines fully fledged terrorists.... ;)

I just think DCD's label was too black and white.
You're either with me or against me.

Identified by WHOM?

You still think Tito is alive dont you?

Fair enough then, if you are not using that label as a permanent tag. I wonder what the reaction would be if someone used the terrorist actions of Haditha to call the Marines fully fledged terrorists.... ;)

I just think DCD's label was too black and white.

I think that in the case of the Marines, in order to really be terrorists, the attacks on unarmed civilians would have to be part of the official policy - which it is not.

So, they can be considered war criminals, or rogue soldiers, etc. Yes, the act is criminal in today's world (as opposed to when the Mongol hordes were running around).

Terror groups like the IRA and most militant Islamic groups have the terrorizing of the civilian population as one of their primary policies and goals.

I think that if anyone is outraged by the behavior of the Marines at Haditha, which was an unofficial, non-policy act - they should be even more outraged at any organization that explicitly uses such tactics on an official basis.

But the IRA did both. Targeted civilians and fought the 'occupying powers'.

Does that make them both terrorists and insurgents?



Yes, it does.

2 down (Hussein & Zarqawi), 1 (bin Laden) to go!

Fat chance of that happening. There is no indication of even a hunt going on for him. Judging by the number of taliban captured in NWFP area, it is clear that it is a case of lack of will (both on the part of US and Pakistan) and in such a case, I do not see a possibility of his capture/death anytime soon.


Oh and I love it when Saddam Hussein is mentioned in the same breath as Bin Laden and co.

and as bin Laden shows, it's hard to run an insurgency from the mountains. ...

Lets see, his ideology is having more takers now, he is finding followers without direct recruition (7/7, the recent London raids and Canada raids indicate that the wannabes were inspired by his ideology and methodology).

With Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq still in contest and Somalia a victory for him, even the military score is in his favor.

Many people will rest easier now that he is gone. Alqaeda's man in Iraq has been dusted off...video will follow in a minute...

Welcome to 16 hours ago, population You.

Many people will rest easier now that he is gone. Alqaeda's man in Iraq has been dusted off...video will follow in a minute...
I know, I just saw it on the news.

YEAH!!!!!

THEY GOT ZAHQAHWI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

*Dances victory dance singing victory song*


AMERICA IS WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!11

sounds like you're the last one to know, DM

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=486645

Hell yeah, only a billion more insurgents to go !!!!

Oh yeah, Wheres Osama!!!!!???

sounds like you're the last one to know, DM

I worked 16 hours yesterday. I'm always late. Is there a huge thread with half of NS defending zarqawi as the iraqi che or something?

I JUST woke up and this little gem pops up....mmm yeah. Forgot breakfast.

I am sooo happy.......So veeery happy....

What a good thing to wakeup to. I want to see this guy's head on a platter delivered to the white house.

I thought I heard a month or two ago that he didn't really matter anymore, because he was stripped of command... so wasn't he just another insurgent at this point?

I guess posting pics of what's left of him (he doesn't look too bad for being bunkmates with two 500-pound bombs) would be a violation of the TOS.

I guess posting pics of what's left of him (he doesn't look too bad for being bunkmates with two 500-pound bombs) would be a violation of the TOS.

Which is why I only linked to the pic on the CNN site. ;)

It doesn't seem like a "huge blow" as far as I can see, especially with Zarqawi being (as far as I can see) little more than a mouthpeice to all of this nonsense.

Just sorta goes to show that we are still fighting this 'enemy' with a "western" mindset concerning moral.

Maybe someone already mentioned it on this thread....
But he wasn't a leader anymore, was he? I heard on the news quite some time ago that he was stripped of command for being too bloodthirsty and reckless.
So, the leadership is still intact... you just got another insurgent...
And I'm glad he's gone. One less bloodthirsty loon on the planet...

Yawn.

This is the same Zarqawi that a while back you were all laughing at and dismissing as an incompetent assclown who couldn't even handle a machine gun properly. And now that he's dead you're all celebrating like the Death Star just fucking exploded. Celebrating the death of an incompetent Al Qaeda wannabe like it was V-Day is like actually caring that Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in a single game.

Remember the other "milestones" that was supposed to turn the "War on Terror" around?

"Mission Accomplished"?

Saddam getting his ass hauled out of the spider hole?

But as the old song (and probably the insurgents too) would say, "Oblah Dee Oblah Dah, Life Goes On."

Yawn.

This is the same Zarqawi that a while back you were all laughing at and dismissing as an incompetent assclown who couldn't even handle a machine gun properly. And now that he's dead you're all celebrating like the Death Star just fucking exploded. Celebrating the death of an incompetent Al Qaeda wannabe like it was V-Day is like actually caring that Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in a single game.

Remember the other "milestones" that was supposed to turn the "War on Terror" around?

"Mission Accomplished"?

Saddam getting his ass hauled out of the spider hole?

But as the old song (and probably the insurgents too) would say, "Oblah Dee Oblah Dah, Life Goes On."


Here's a clue. While the Cold War is over, because it was between nation states, the War on Terror will go on until the West gets the balls to commit genocide.

So what? He'll just be replaced. Don't think of this as a victory. It isn't.

the War on Terror will go on until the West gets the balls to commit genocide.

just quoted for posterity

Well we're never again going to get to see his mad crazy m249 skillz again.

I'm going to celebrate today....buying some shrimp for dinner...

Which is why I only linked to the pic on the CNN site. ;)

Linking will still get you banned. I know.

The guy was shit. He killed innocent people for no other reason than that he wanted to cause trouble and make things difficult for Iraqis and the forces over there. Its good that hes dead and less people will die now. Hes not a matyr or a freedom fighter for Iraq. Hes not even Iraqi, and his goal was for Iraq to go to hell. He was an asshole and I spit on his grave.

Here's a clue. While the Cold War is over, because it was between nation states, the War on Terror will go on until the West gets the balls to commit genocide.
I thought you were in favour of the WoT?

I thought you were in favour of the WoT?
I don't think they're doing this right.

The Mongols understood how to do things.

Here's a clue. While the Cold War is over, because it was between nation states, the War on Terror will go on until the West gets the balls to commit genocide.

2 things:

1) Why are we so worried about nations gaining nuclear technology if the cold war is over? It may be over with Russia, but it sure as hell isnt over.

2) Are you advocating genocide?

they also 'got' 6 civilians including a woman and a child.

Oh, shut up and let the supporters have our day, dammit. And for you nay-sayers: This time we've got teh body instead of our enemies telling us what we need to know.

Linking will still get you banned. I know.

Meh, it's a link to a news site. *shrug*

Many people will rest easier now that he is gone. Alqaeda's man in Iraq has been dusted off...video will follow in a minute...
Yes, well done. On the other hand, the population of Iraq still hates Coalition troops, so it was a completely wasted effort.

2 things:

1) Why are we so worried about nations gaining nuclear technology if the cold war is over? It may be over with Russia, but it sure as hell isnt over.

2) Are you advocating genocide?

1. The Cold War was about capitalism vs. state communism. Period. Really, about the US vs. the Soviet Union. So the Cold War is over.

2. This is a new war, the GWOT, and yes, I am advocating genocide. In the end, they will commit more and more heinous acts (including biological weapon attacks on Western cities), and the West will eventually act to put an end to the threat. In my eyes, better sooner than later.

2. This is a new war, the GWOT, and yes, I am advocating genocide. In the end, they will commit more and more heinous acts

Ok, Hitler, who is "they"? Ze Jews?

1. The Cold War was about capitalism vs. state communism. Period. Really, about the US vs. the Soviet Union. So the Cold War is over.

Funny, I thought the nuclear arms race was what most of the cold war is about. I guess all my history teachers/books were wrong.

2. This is a new war, the GWOT, and yes, I am advocating genocide. In the end, they will commit more and more heinous acts (including biological weapon attacks on Western cities), and the West will eventually act to put an end to the threat. In my eyes, better sooner than later.

"Terror" isnt a race.

Here's a clue. While the Cold War is over, because it was between nation states, the War on Terror will go on until the West gets the balls to commit genocide.
Thanks, DK. Now I can quote this post every time I want to dismiss you as a racist warmongering blood-drinking sniveling coward, cad, and bully who not only wants to kill millions of civilians who have never done him any harm, but also knows such an action would be an unjustifiable crime against humanity, i.e. genocide. :)

2. This is a new war, the GWOT, and yes, I am advocating genocide. In the end, they will commit more and more heinous acts (including biological weapon attacks on Western cities), and the West will eventually act to put an end to the threat. In my eyes, better sooner than later.

So "Never Again" doesn't apply to dirty brown-skinned Muslims. But hey, you're the one who creams in the pants every time a Muslim dies so no surprise.

:rolleyes:

PS. If you think genocide is a legitimate option, best not hear you bitching about how the UN does nothing in Darfur either.

2. This is a new war, the GWOT, and yes, I am advocating genocide. In the end, they will commit more and more heinous acts (including biological weapon attacks on Western cities), and the West will eventually act to put an end to the threat. In my eyes, better sooner than later.
A war on terror in which you kill millions of people is rather ironic, no?

And I'd love to know how you "know" that terrorists will perform biological weapon attacks on Western cities.

1. The Cold War was about capitalism vs. state communism. Period. Really, about the US vs. the Soviet Union. So the Cold War is over.

2. This is a new war, the GWOT, and yes, I am advocating genocide. In the end, they will commit more and more heinous acts (including biological weapon attacks on Western cities), and the West will eventually act to put an end to the threat. In my eyes, better sooner than later.

Genocide of who, exactly? Arab nations? Muslims?

1. The Cold War was about capitalism vs. state communism. Period. Really, about the US vs. the Soviet Union. So the Cold War is over.

2. This is a new war, the GWOT, and yes, I am advocating genocide. In the end, they will commit more and more heinous acts (including biological weapon attacks on Western cities), and the West will eventually act to put an end to the threat. In my eyes, better sooner than later.
hear, hear! Our western way of life and our very lives of everyone in the western world is threaten by these people. Genocide is the only thing that will save our civilization. Long live the west!

I thought you were in favour of the WoT?

WoT? What be that?

The guy was shit. He killed innocent people for no other reason than that he wanted to cause trouble and make things difficult for Iraqis and the forces over there. Its good that hes dead and less people will die now. Hes not a matyr or a freedom fighter for Iraq. Hes not even Iraqi, and his goal was for Iraq to go to hell. He was an asshole and I spit on his grave.
I will say exactly the same when Rumsfeld dies.

WoT? What be that?
War on Terror, I presume.

Genocide of who, exactly? Arab nations? Muslims?

I would start with places like Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, and Iran.

Work my way out as necessary.

Also round up every Muslim and Arab in the West, and put them in camps until it is determined what to do with them.

So "Never Again" doesn't apply to dirty brown-skinned Muslims. But hey, you're the one who creams in the pants every time a Muslim dies so no surprise.

:rolleyes:

PS. If you think genocide is a legitimate option, best not hear you bitching about how the UN does nothing in Darfur either.
Why should we care about Darfur? Their African.

Thanks, DK. Now I can quote this post every time I want to dismiss you as a racist warmongering blood-drinking sniveling coward, cad, and bully who not only wants to kill millions of civilians who have never done him any harm, but also knows such an action would be an unjustifiable crime against humanity, i.e. genocide. :)
You know it would solve the problem of Islamic militants.

I would start with places like Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, and Iran.

Work my way out as necessary.

Also round up every Muslim and Arab in the West, and put them in camps until it is determined what to do with them.
In other words, you're confessing to being a moron.

Funny how muslims existed and never threatened our way of life until about 20-25 years ago. You know, AFTER all those policies we enacted in muslim nations.

Imagine if muslims enacted a war on terror during the crusades...

i don't know if this has been brought up already, but it's certainly worth pointing out:

Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890.html)
By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 10, 2006; Page A01

"The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program.
...
For the past two years, U.S. military leaders have been using Iraqi media and other outlets in Baghdad to publicize Zarqawi's role in the insurgency. The documents explicitly list the 'U.S. Home Audience' as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign.

Some senior intelligence officers believe Zarqawi's role may have been overemphasized by the propaganda campaign, which has included leaflets, radio and television broadcasts, Internet postings and at least one leak to an American journalist. Although Zarqawi and other foreign insurgents in Iraq have conducted deadly bombing attacks, they remain 'a very small part of the actual numbers,' Col. Derek Harvey
...
In a transcript of the meeting, Harvey said, 'Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is, in some ways.'
...
One internal briefing, produced by the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, said that Kimmitt had concluded that, 'The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date.'
...
Kimmitt said, 'There was clearly an information campaign to raise the public awareness of who Zarqawi was, primarily for the Iraqi audience but also with the international audience.'

A goal of the campaign was to drive a wedge into the insurgency by emphasizing Zarqawi's terrorist acts and foreign origin, said officers familiar with the program.

'Through aggressive Strategic Communications, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi now represents: Terrorism in Iraq/Foreign Fighters in Iraq/Suffering of Iraqi People (Infrastructure Attacks)/Denial of Iraqi Aspirations,' the same briefing asserts."

Many people will rest easier now that he is gone. Alqaeda's man in Iraq has been dusted off...video will follow in a minute...
And as for you and your "woohoo," tell it to your frat brothers. Zarqawi's death will make no difference at all, except to make me sick to my stomach watching so-called Americans celebrating their enemy's death just like the terrorists do. Though I suppose, for you, it's amazing when anybody actually manages to hit a target, even by accident. I notice they took out half a mile of houses in this instance. How many other corpses did they have to dig through to find Zarqawi's? Yeah, something to celebrate; not something to show any kind of dignity or self control over. :rolleyes:

I will say exactly the same when Rumsfeld dies.
Are you defending al-Zarqawi?

Also round up every Muslim and Arab in the West, and put them in camps until it is determined what to do with them.

You, sir, are a prick and I feel deeply sorry for your wife and any children you may have. You have no sense of decency or morality and should be shot in the face with a very large gun.

There was a time when we thought the world was rid of your ilk, but alas no. I suggest signing up with your local Klan chapter, who also shares your viewpoint.

Yes, this is a direct attack and a flame from a Jew who knows what your attitude can do. So report it in Moderation. There is nothing about you anymore that I can possibly hope to respect.

Unless you're kidding ....

If you're not, then know that you've just made an enemy.

I would start with places like Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Pakistan, and Iran.

Work my way out as necessary.

Also round up every Muslim and Arab in the West, and put them in camps until it is determined what to do with them.
Are people then going to fire nukes at themselves, seeing as they're just purged every Middle-Eastern state and caused terror themselves?

Or are you simply a misguided, racist idiot?

Funny how muslims existed and never threatened our way of life until about 20-25 years ago. You know, AFTER all those policies we enacted in muslim nations.

Imagine if muslims enacted a war on terror during the crusades...

Actually, the Mongols were peculiarly effective in not only defeating Arab nations, but making sure that there weren't any pesky revolts while their troops were still in country.

Take the defeat of the Caliphate, and the sack of Baghdad in 1254. Extremely effective. And so effective, that Osama Bin Laden refers to it to this day.

If we had done that in Iraq when the US invaded, there wouldn't have been an insurgency.

War on Terror, I presume.

Woops... Thats right.

Oh, shut up and let the supporters have our day, dammit. And for you nay-sayers: This time we've got teh body instead of our enemies telling us what we need to know.
Go film yourselves dancing in the street, then, just like the enemy does. That way you can be just like them.

You, sir, are a prick and I feel deeply sorry for your wife and any children you may have. You have no sense of decency or morality and should be shot in the face with a very large gun.

There was a time when we thought the world was rid of your ilk, but alas no. I suggest signing up with your local Klan chapter, who also shares your viewpoint.

Yes, this is a direct attack and a flame from a Jew who knows what your attitude can do. So report it in Moderation. There is nothing about you anymore that I can possibly hope to respect.

Unless you're kidding ....

If you're not, then know that you've just made an enemy.
We did it with the Japanese, no ill effects there.

And as for you and your "woohoo," tell it to your frat brothers. Zarqawi's death will make no difference at all, except to make me sick to my stomach watching so-called Americans celebrating their enemy's death just like the terrorists do. Though I suppose, for you, it's amazing when anybody actually manages to hit a target, even by accident. I notice they took out half a mile of houses in this instance. How many other corpses did they have to dig through to find Zarqawi's? Yeah, something to celebrate; not something to show any kind of dignity or self control over. :rolleyes:
Not to mention white-phosphorousing about half of Fallujah "to get Al-Zarqawi" and then not killing him at all, and actually causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.

Are people then going to fire nukes at themselves, seeing as they're just purged every Middle-Eastern state and caused terror themselves?

Or are you simply a misguided, racist idiot?
In what way is this racist? If terror attacks were planned coming from other countries, I would commit genocide there as well.

You know for a fact it would work.

This is merely a direct response to a direct threat. Realpolitik.

The West will be forced to do it sooner or later.

If we had done that in Iraq when the US invaded, there wouldn't have been an insurgency.
No, but most of the US would be glowing green about a day after the retribution from the devoloped world.

Genocide is for weak troglodytes, and I'm disgusted by anyone who would advocate such a thing.

In what way is this racist? If terror attacks were planned coming from other countries, I would commit genocide there as well.

You know for a fact it would work.

This is merely a direct response to a direct threat. Realpolitik.

The West will be forced to do it sooner or later.
You presume that all terrorists are from these countries. Ergo, you are a racist poopface with no morality and no rational grounds to base your idiotic mentality upon. You, sir, are a disgrace to the term "human".

In what way is this racist? If terror attacks were planned coming from other countries, I would commit genocide there as well.

You know for a fact it would work.

This is merely a direct response to a direct threat. Realpolitik.

The West will be forced to do it sooner or later.
You've avoided my question.

Are you going to kill everyone in the US because its soldiers would be murdering terrorists in a foreign land?

Are you defending al-Zarqawi?

No, he is playing the moral equivalency game...

Rumsfeld-zarqawi, both bad-bad, same-same...equal-equal...

Nobody's defending al-Zarqawi. He's just stating his political views, and the damage down by our leaders to the Iraqi people and to the country itself has been almost as extensive as the damage that these insurgents have done to their own (or, more often, not their own) country and people. This, however, does not make al-Zarqawi any less of a homicidal, crazy lunatic, and I think most of us will agree that he should burn in hell.

Unless you're kidding ....

if he's kidding, then he's kidding like coulter and rush are 'kidding'.

"haha, just kidding, but really wouldn't it be great..."

the whole pack are barely putting any effort at all into concealing their fascism anymore.

No, but most of the US would be glowing green about a day after the retribution from the devoloped world.

Genocide is for weak troglodytes, and I'm disgusted by anyone who would advocate such a thing.
I seriously doubt it.

The rest of the world could not retaliate against the US without ceasing to exist as functioning nations.

Really, there is no nation or combination of nations on Earth who can face the US in a conventional or nuclear projection of power across the globe. If the US had the mentality of the Mongols in 1254, there wouldn't be an Islamic militant problem within a year, and every other country on Earth would be too scared to do anything.

In what way is this racist? If terror attacks were planned coming from other countries, I would commit genocide there as well.


Then you best to get working on the US because of people like John Walker Lindh and Timothy McVeigh. After all, they prove all Americans are terrorists.

In the name of Allah, he is with Allah now, in a million pieces, LOL, praise Allah, Allah is great.

No, he is playing the moral equivalency game...

Rumsfeld-zarqawi, both bad-bad, same-same...equal-equal...

It's funny - take the typical militant Islamic, and they'll say the US and the West is immoral, corrupt, etc., and deserving of a horrible wholesale death.

Take the typical poster on this forum (mostly from Western countries), and they'll applaud the sentiments of the militant Islamic, saying they are justified by the mere existence of the US.

I seriously doubt it.

The rest of the world could not retaliate against the US without ceasing to exist as functioning nations.
The rest of the world would die happily, then.
Really, there is no nation or combination of nations on Earth who can face the US in a conventional or nuclear projection of power across the globe. If the US had the mentality of the Mongols in 1254, there wouldn't be an Islamic militant problem within a year, and every other country on Earth would be too scared to do anything.
You're utterly, utterly wrong.

The Chinese and the EU would definitely be able to launch and conventional war and probably win against the US.

And you keep avoiding my question - would you kill every US citizen because your soldiers would be murdering terrorists in foreign lands?

In the name of Allah, he is with Allah now, in a million pieces, LOL, praise Allah, Allah is great.

Allah wants nothing to do with him.

Allah wants nothing to do with him.
And never would, either.

America: 1
Incompetent Assholes: 0

Then you best to get working on the US because of people like John Walker Lindh and Timothy McVeigh. After all, they prove all Americans are terrorists.
John Lindh was not a member of an American organization.

Tim McVeigh was also not part of a larger organization.

These Islamic militants most certainly are.

And yes, I would round up members of the Christian Identity movement and execute them.

Not to mention white-phosphorousing about half of Fallujah "to get Al-Zarqawi" and then not killing him at all, and actually causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
There were no innocent people in Fallujah. The town had been warned to evacuate long before the Marines rolled in. The only people left were insurgents looking for a fight. Well they got one.

Allah wants nothing to do with him.
That's what you say, but his friends and supporters, who outnumber you, say different. After all, Islam is a heterodoxy, and you wouldn't last 10 seconds in a Deobandi neighborhood saying what you're saying.

If you're not, then know that you've just made an enemy.

wow... a Whispering Legs (Deep Kimchi...right?), Keruvalia show down, I haven’t seen one of these in months... You did a really good job avoiding each other for a while.

There were no innocent people in Fallujah. The town had been warned to evacuate long before the Marines rolled in. The only people left were insurgents looking for a fight. Well they got one.
I love how people repeat lies about "thousands of innocent unarmed civilians killed in Fallujah".

And yes, I would round up members of the Christian Identity movement and execute them.

If you're still in England, stay there. You obviously hate the Constitution and that for which it stands.

You are worse than Zarqawi.

It's funny - take the typical militant Islamic, and they'll say the US and the West is immoral, corrupt, etc., and deserving of a horrible wholesale death.

What's funny is the US and the West ARE immoral and corrupt. Or in case you haven't noticed, we're a socialist nation with decadent culture and ineffective government.


Take the typical poster on this forum (mostly from Western countries), and they'll applaud the sentiments of the militant Islamic, saying they are justified by the mere existence of the US.

Oh no, not the NS General Islamofascist Liberal Conspiracy again, DK. I thought you were done harping on like Miz Coulter and were back to arguing actual points again.

John Lindh was not a member of an American organization.

Tim McVeigh was also not part of a larger organization.

These Islamic militants most certainly are.

And yes, I would round up members of the Christian Identity movement and execute them.
By your rules you'd actually have to kill every Christian on the planet 'just to make sure'.

And DCD - Just because people didn't want to evacuate the city doesn't make them targets.

that depends on weaponry lol
z dead - good riddance

wow... a Whispering Legs, Keruvalia show down, I haven’t seen one of these in months... You did a really good job avoiding each other for a while.
I could really care less.

Ascribing moral imperatives in life and death situations is a recipe for non-survival.

If the Islamic militants ever obtain (as is their wish) something like smallpox, and use it, you can BET the West will commit genocide.

And as the EU went along with the supposed rendition program of the CIA, I would bet they would go along with the genocide.

You know it would solve the problem of Islamic militants.
I know no such thing, but I do know that locking you up in Attica would solve the problem of you not being locked up in Attica, where US scum get the treatment they deserve. And before you think I have no taste for harsh punishments, if I had my way, you'd be in general population. I'd have no ethical problem at all letting you get sorted out by the brothers of the Nation of Islam serving life sentences without parole. You think you're so tough with your flag-waving bullshit, I'd love to see you stand up in the face of some real bad-asses who like to torture people and know how to do it.

Zarqawi was nothing but a piece of shit, and now he's a dead piece of shit.

You are here. You are my country's problem.

After all, Islam is a heterodoxy

Actually, it isn't. I've already proven that.

I love how people repeat lies about "thousands of innocent unarmed civilians killed in Fallujah".
Do some actual research, of sites that haven't been doctored by the US and the results of the attack pretty much speak for themselves.

I know no such thing, but I do know that locking you up in Attica would solve the problem of you not being locked up in Attica, where US scum get the treatment they deserve. And before you think I have no taste for harsh punishments, if I had my way, you'd be in general population. I'd have no ethical problem at all letting you get sorted out by the brothers of the Nation of Islam serving life sentences without parole. You think you're so tough with your flag-waving bullshit, I'd love to see you stand up in the face of some real bad-asses who like to torture people and know how to do it.

Zarqawi was nothing but a piece of shit, and now he's a dead piece of shit.

You are here. You are my country's problem.


Haven't had a problem in combat with people who like to torture people - they're all dead. And I'm here.

If the Islamic militants ever obtain (as is their wish) something like smallpox, and use it, you can BET the West will commit genocide.


No, we wouldn't. We're not all *you*.

You give us a bad name.

John Lindh was not a member of an American organization.

Tim McVeigh was also not part of a larger organization.

These Islamic militants most certainly are.

And yes, I would round up members of the Christian Identity movement and execute them.

Sooo... all Muslims are part of a "terrorist organisation"? Boy, you never fail to amaze me with your intellect!

What's funny is the US and the West ARE immoral and corrupt. Or in case you haven't noticed, we're a socialist nation with decadent culture and ineffective government.

Oh no, not the NS General Islamofascist Liberal Conspiracy again, DK. I thought you were done harping on like Miz Coulter and were back to arguing actual points again.

Whether we are corrupt or not is immaterial. This is solely a matter of survival.

Would you rather wait until they achieve their stated goal of destroying us, or would you rather do it to them first?

If it was merely a conventional conflict, it would be convenient to wait for them to make a move - after all, conventional attacks can't wipe out a nation.

But, if they obtain smallpox, as they have been trying to do, and they unleash it - well, that changes things.

Sooo... all Muslims are part of a "terrorist organisation"? Boy, you never fail to amaze me with your intellect!

Read more Islamic works (including the Koran), and you'll find where they get all of these ideas.

Particularly Zangi. Osama is a big fan of Zangi.

I could really care less.

Ascribing moral imperatives in life and death situations is a recipe for non-survival.
Don't be stupid. Kinder people, with moral values in life and death situations will live for longer, because they don't get killed for being arrogant.
If the Islamic militants ever obtain (as is their wish) something like smallpox, and use it, you can BET the West will commit genocide.
You can bet the US can. The rest of the world would be disgusted by it, even as retribution.
And as the EU went along with the supposed rendition program of the CIA, I would bet they would go along with the genocide.
It didn't "go along with it" at all, most nations were in the dark about it and are pretty pissed off, to be honest.

Not to mention white-phosphorousing about half of Fallujah "to get Al-Zarqawi" and then not killing him at all, and actually causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
Not to mention starting this whole stupid, murderous, blood-drenched, disastrous boondoggle over old what's his name -- oh, right, Osama somebody, wasn't it?

By your rules you'd actually have to kill every Christian on the planet 'just to make sure'.

And DCD - Just because people didn't want to evacuate the city doesn't make them targets.
If they didn't evacuate they weren't killed by Marines, they died of a horrible disease. Terminal stupidity. Just as I have no sympathy for a moron who puts a potentially loaded gun to his head and pulls the trigger I have no sympathy for some idiot who willingly stays on a battlefield between Marines and insurgents.

No, we wouldn't. We're not all *you*.

You give us a bad name.
If smallpox was unleashed by Islamic militants in the US, and a few million people were dead inside of a week, I would bet that several Islamic nations would be smoking radioactive areas.

And 90 percent of Americans would cheer.

Read more Islamic works (including the Koran), and you'll find where they get all of these ideas.

Deliberate misinterpretation works for the Christian Identity groups, too. So should we round up and kill *all* Christians because of the idiocy of a few?

It didn't "go along with it" at all, most nations were in the dark about it and are pretty pissed off, to be honest.
14 nations apparently went along with it, and were very successful in covering up most of the evidence.

What's funny is the US and the West ARE immoral and corrupt. Or in case you haven't noticed, we're a socialist nation with decadent culture and ineffective government.


The US isnt socialist. Decadence is good and sometimes morality has to take a back seat to maintaining our way of life. Thats exactly what this is, a fight to preserve what we hold dear.

If smallpox was unleashed by Islamic militants in the US, and a few million people were dead inside of a week, I would bet that several Islamic nations would be smoking radioactive areas.

No, they wouldn't.

We are a civilised nation. While we have our problems of isolated incidences of torturing prisoners and holding people for years without reason, we got over our genocidal feelings when we saw what we did to the Native Americans.

I'm sorry you think everyone here thinks like you do, but you're wrong.

In what way is this racist? If terror attacks were planned coming from other countries, I would commit genocide there as well.

You know for a fact it would work.

This is merely a direct response to a direct threat. Realpolitik.

The West will be forced to do it sooner or later.
So, in addition to being a racist coward, you're also illiterate.

"Genocide" is a word attached to racism. It means the deliberate destruction of a race or ethnic group. You planning racism -- EDIT: excuse me, I mean GENOCIDE -- against -- who? Arabs? Muslims? Any swarthy person who looks at you crooked? -- puts you smack square in the racist camp. Enjoy the company you find there.

Do some actual research, of sites that haven't been doctored by the US and the results of the attack pretty much speak for themselves.
Really? How do you account for the fact that hundreds of thousands of people were allowed to evacuate before the attack? All the pictures I've seen of dead folks in Fallujah were of adult men. No women, no children. Seems to me that Fallujah was just a battlefield between Marines and insurgents, not a massacre of civilians.

Haven't had a problem in combat with people who like to torture people - they're all dead. And I'm here.
And which advocates of torture have you fought?

The Terrorists on Counter Strike?

"Spam the tunnels! Remember they hate our freedoms and want to torture us!"

And DCD - You've got your view, I've got mine. The US and Iraqi forces having everyone who was walking around as a target, and WP-ing half of Fallujah is pretty awful, but I can see your point of view that they were told to leave.

DK is right. We gots to round up them goddamn sand niggers and put thems in the camps. It's the only way to end this terror. It's for America, for freedom, etc. and so forth.

No, they wouldn't.

We are a civilised nation. While we have our problems of isolated incidences of torturing prisoners and holding people for years without reason, we got over our genocidal feelings when we saw what we did to the Native Americans.

I'm sorry you think everyone here thinks like you do, but you're wrong.

How quickly you forget the cries of "Nuke Iran" during the hostage crisis, or "Nuke Afghanistan" after 9-11.

Sure, we wouldn't be justified in nuking anyone during those crises.

But, in the aftermath of a smallpox attack that killed millions, we would be justified.

I'm not talking about "the people here". I'm talking about Americans.

Don't be stupid. Kinder people, with moral values in life and death situations will live for longer, because they don't get killed for being arrogant.

No, they get killed because they wont pull the trigger. Morals have nothing to do with it when your faced with death.

Really? How do you account for the fact that hundreds of thousands of people were allowed to evacuate before the attack? All the pictures I've seen of dead folks in Fallujah were of adult men. No women, no children. Seems to me that Fallujah was just a battlefield between Marines and insurgents, not a massacre of civilians.
Watch this documentary. It's really quite long, but very good.

http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyJzEWYhECCkAnQCDBqMX;_ylu=X3oDMTBwMjNqdWVsBHBndANhdHdfd2ViX3Jlc3VsdARzZWMDc3I-/SIG=12gjjhl69/EXP=1149872964/**http%3a//videos.informationclearinghouse.info/fallujah_ING.wmv

If smallpox was unleashed by Islamic militants in the US, and a few million people were dead inside of a week, I would bet that several Islamic nations would be smoking radioactive areas.

And 90 percent of Americans would cheer.
In that situation, if I were still alive, I'd be calling for genocide too. Someone tries to exterminate my people, I hope my people exterminate them first.

DK is right. We gots to round up them goddamn sand niggers and put thems in the camps. It's the only way to end this terror. It's for America, for freedom, etc. and so forth.
Ah, I don't call them names.

It's unwise to call your enemy names, because it encourages a sense of confidence that is not born out by the willingness of the enemy to die for their cause.

Respect your enemy, and then kill them.

Whether we are corrupt or not is immaterial.

Then why bring it up? Who cares if Islamic militants think we're corrupt? My point was that I think we are too.

This is solely a matter of survival.

Oh, I know that's what you believe, what you want to believe, what you have to believe in order to live with yourself, it's just the sad fact that you're wrong. :)


Would you rather wait until they achieve their stated goal of destroying us, or would you rather do it to them first?


False dichotomy.

The US isnt socialist.

Ha! My tax bracket suggests otherwise.

Decadence is good and sometimes morality has to take a back seat to maintaining our way of life. Thats exactly what this is, a fight to preserve what we hold dear.

Morality IS our way of life. Well, it's mine anyway. I suppose its a back seat for you. But fighting to preserve what we hold dear, by shucking morality, is at best counterproductive and at worst pure hypocrisy.

How quickly you forget the cries of "Nuke Iran" during the hostage crisis, or "Nuke Afghanistan" after 9-11.

Cries from ignorant morons? Yes, I remember those.

But did we do it? NO!

You have defeated your own argument.

Now go wallow in your ignorance and misguided hatred. I am done with you. You are useless and contribute nothing meaningful to the world.

And which advocates of torture have you fought?

The Terrorists on Counter Strike?

"Spam the tunnels! Remember they hate our freedoms and want to torture us!"

And DCD - You've got your view, I've got mine. The US and Iraqi forces having everyone who was walking around as a target, and WP-ing half of Fallujah is pretty awful, but I can see your point of view that they were told to leave.


Iraqi Republican Guards.

DK is right. We gots to round up them goddamn sand niggers and put thems in the camps. It's the only way to end this terror. It's for America, for freedom, etc. and so forth.
I really, genuinely hope that you're joking. Judging by your previous posts, you are not a racist.

Iraqi Republican Guards.
Right. Where and when?

In that situation, if I were still alive, I'd be calling for genocide too. Someone tries to exterminate my people, I hope my people exterminate them first.

So if a white guy like McVeigh tries to kill your people, should whites be exterminated?

In what way is this racist? If terror attacks were planned coming from other countries, I would commit genocide there as well.

You know for a fact it would work.

This is merely a direct response to a direct threat. Realpolitik.

The West will be forced to do it sooner or later.
Not realpolitik. It would be a war crime and a crime against humanity. If the "West" (by which I assume you mean the US, since you don't really give a shit about anyone but yourself and this is where you hide yourself) were to attempt that, I would join the nations of the world to shut them down. And if that means war has to be declared against my own country, so be it. I will not allow my country to become the next "Nazi Germany." I will not become the thing I hate.

Unlike you, who appears only to have been waiting for an excuse to kill people.

No, they wouldn't.

We are a civilised nation. While we have our problems of isolated incidences of torturing prisoners and holding people for years without reason, we got over our genocidal feelings when we saw what we did to the Native Americans.

I'm sorry you think everyone here thinks like you do, but you're wrong.
I don't know about that. Weaponized smallpox means all bets are off. It's a weapon of genocide plain and simple. If someone uses it civilization goes out the window. We become like cave men. Kill enemy, eat enemy, fuck enemy's women to ensure survival.

No, they wouldn't.

We are a civilised nation. While we have our problems of isolated incidences of torturing prisoners and holding people for years without reason, we got over our genocidal feelings when we saw what we did to the Native Americans.

I'm sorry you think everyone here thinks like you do, but you're wrong.

You deny that we’re capable of descending into that kind of madness? Germany was considered "civilized" yet they engaged in the practice, its sickening, but fearful and hateful people have done it before.

So if a white guy like McVeigh tries to kill your people, should whites be exterminated?
McVeigh isn't a valid comparison in this case.

He was acting alone, or with a very small group of people. Yes, I would kill off everyone who was a member of the Christian Identity movement.

Ah, I don't call them names.

It's unwise to call your enemy names, because it encourages a sense of confidence that is not born out by the willingness of the enemy to die for their cause.

Respect your enemy, and then kill them.
You're absolutely right! We must gather the enemy, so matter the age and toudn them up. We'll have to ship them somewhere. Trains would eb the best transporation. We'll have to identify them so we'll tattoo ID numbers on them, either on the back of the head or the foot. Since they're our prisoners they can help our army by working. They're a prisoners so they'll work like prisoners. Then when the first batch gets old we'll exterminate, preferably by gas chamber. Bullets are too costly and we need them to continue the effort.

Excellent plan, Mein Fuehrer!

McVeigh isn't a valid comparison in this case.

He was acting alone, or with a very small group of people. Yes, I would kill off everyone who was a member of the Christian Identity movement.
The same goes for Bin Laden, but you've said that basically every Muslim country should be annihilated.

You clearly want to commit war crimes on foreign Muslims and nobody else.

I don't know about that. Weaponized smallpox means all bets are off. It's a weapon of genocide plain and simple. If someone uses it civilization goes out the window. We become like cave men. Kill enemy, eat enemy, fuck enemy's women to ensure survival.

No, we don't. We never have. Hitler wanted the world and tried to take it, but we didn't kill *all* Germans in response.

We will never decide to wipe out all Muslims or all Arabs, regardless of what a group of them do.

You're absolutely right! We must gather the enemy, so matter the age and toudn them up. We'll have to ship them somewhere. Trains would eb the best transporation. We'll have to identify them so we'll tattoo ID numbers on them, either on the back of the head or the foot. Since they're our prisoners they can help our army by working. They're a prisoners so they'll work like prisoners. Then when the first batch gets old we'll exterminate, preferably by gas chamber. Bullets are too costly and we need them to continue the effort.

Excellent plan, Mein Fuehrer!

Nope. I would use a tailored biological that renders them sterile.