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So.. 7th Heaven.. what a load of bullshit.

They seem to be saying if you have casual sex.. you'll get an STD.. yup. Even with protection.

Not that you can't get an STD, but they're making casual sex into an evil evil evil thing..

Am I the only one who watches this show and laughs? I hope not..

Oh, and why not have a serious question in here!

What is your view on casual sex?

"And that's how we learned our lesson"-Bender

Am I the only one who watches this show and laughs? I hope not..


You're the only person I know of who watches it, period.

So.. 7th Heaven.. what a load of bullshit.

They seem to be saying if you have casual sex.. you'll get an STD.. yup. Even with protection.

Not that you can't get an STD, but they're making casual sex into an evil evil evil thing..

Am I the only one who watches this show and laughs? I hope not..

Oh, and why not have a serious question in here!

What is your view on casual sex?
No form of protection (outside of Abstenance) is 100% safe against STD or Pregnancy.

what was the title of that episode?

I'm all for casual sex above the legal age limit as long as you're prepared to take responsibility for any consequences.

However, I'm not ready to be a father, nor would I be emotionally capable of killing a child, however undeveloped, because of that fact. As such, I'm staying clear of the whole area for now and at least until I'm finished in Uni.

what was the title of that episode?

"Don't fuck with me"

Damn! Chose the wrong option! Meant to hit the second option, accidentally hit the first. But anyway...WHOOO!!! GO CASUAL SEX!!!

And I fucking despise 7th Heaven. The only times its on, I'm not blasted enough to watch it. But whatever. Don't watch much TV anyway.

UHH... You can get STDs wile wearing a condom. I like, just finished the section on STDs in health class. There is more than one way to get an STD. To prevent ALL of them, you would need a body condom.

You're the only person I know of who watches it, period.
http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/jesus.gif
No form of protection (outside of Abstenance) is 100% safe against STD or Pregnancy.

what was the title of that episode?
http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/condom.gif

I don't know what title.. but Simon might have an STD, Mary ran off on her hubby.. *shrugs*

I'm all for casual sex and there's only 2 reasons why I watch 7th Heaven:

a) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/jessicabiel.jpg
b) There's nothing else on (only 10 channels...)

P.S.: Glad you like the Jesus, Il Ruffino... (You know you took it from my gazillion smiley source :D)

Well I'm all for it, so long as I have protection...ugh accidentally voted against it. -_-

sex with strangers is very unwise

sex with someone you know well but arent in a "relationship" with has its risks but they are similar to having sex with your girlfriend.

Where's the option for don't care?

This episode? (http://www.tv.com/7th-heaven/leaps-of-faith/episode/402085/summary.html)

Why are you watching this? Are you high??

...

Not sure I really want an answer...

Anyhoo, to answer your question: Maybe. Dependes. Carefully. :fluffle:

What is your view on casual sex?
It's not nearly as good as sex with someone you know well and have affection for, but it's a damned sight better than nothing! :D

UHH... You can get STDs wile wearing a condom. I like, just finished the section on STDs in health class. There is more than one way to get an STD. To prevent ALL of them, you would need a body condom.
Uhhhh... I know.. I'm not an idiot. Never said you can't.

I like 7th Heaven, but i have no problem with casual sex, as long as people are careful. I also think people should be honest, if you only want sex out of the relationship, let the other person know that.

Where's the option for don't care?
What is "sex"?
Only with Myrth.

Options, you n00b :p

This episode? (http://www.tv.com/7th-heaven/leaps-of-faith/episode/402085/summary.html)

Why are you watching this? Are you high??

...

Not sure I really want an answer...

Anyhoo, to answer your question: Maybe. Dependes. Carefully. :fluffle:
I might be high.. hmm.. hey look! A carpet!

Omfg I don't want an STD and burn in teh Hellz for eternitee. *throws bible at you*

I'm serial.

You're the only person I know of who watches it, period.
What he said. Now, on to your question about casual sex. The problem with casual sex is that unless you have a certain type of personality it will end up permanently warping your relationships down the line.

Ive often wondered what formal sex was.

What is your view on casual sex?

That it shouldn't be done. It should only be between a husband and his wife.

That it shouldn't be done. It should only be between a husband and his wife.
What about a husband.. and his husband?

;)

What about a husband.. and his husband?

;)

:rolleyes:

Abnormal sex is frowned upon.

Casual sex can be good, and it can be bad. Just like any other sex.

The problem with casual sex is that unless you have a certain type of personality it will end up permanently warping your relationships down the line.How so?

Abnormal sex is frowned upon.He didn't say anything about abnormal sex, he mentioned homosexual sex. Homosexuality isn't any more abnormal than naturally red hair.

How so?

He didn't say anything about abnormal sex, he mentioned homosexual sex. Homosexuality isn't any more abnormal than naturally red hair.

No No N0 NOO!

Do not open that can of worms for the love of the thread.

:rolleyes:

Abnormal sex is frowned upon.
Because it's a sin, right?

How so?

He didn't say anything about abnormal sex, he mentioned homosexual sex. Homosexuality isn't any more abnormal than naturally red hair.

Actually...it is abnormal sex for it is outside normal man/woman relationship.

Because it's a sin, right?

Just like sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Actually...it is abnormal sex for it is outside normal man/woman relationship.

Only if you are a religious prat with a stick stuck FAR up your butt...

"I am a pretty piece of flesh"

Actually...it is abnormal sex for it is outside normal man/woman relationship.

and that's the normal relationship because of what exactly? Because it's less common?

Actually...it is abnormal sex for it is outside normal man/woman relationship.A man/woman relationship isn't the only example of a normal relationship.

No No N0 NOO!

Do not open that can of worms for the love of the thread.


You mean the bit about red hair being normal? heresy!

A man/woman relationship isn't the only example of a normal relationship.

sex outside of marriage, incest, homosexual acts....these are forbidden and can cause so many problems. The only way to avoid STDs is abstinance.

*EDIT* I'm under the threat of severe weather here.

Just like sex outside of marriage is a sin.
But worse, yes?

:rolleyes:

sex outside of marriage, incest, homosexual acts....these are forbidden and can cause so many problems. The only way to avoid STDs is abstinance.

*EDIT* I'm under the threat of severe weather here.
1) You can avoid STDs by not having sex with people who have STDs.
2) Why should I (or anyone else) be concerned with what is forbidden?
3) How does homosexual sex cause more problems than heterosexual sex? Seems to me than unplanned pregancy (or even certain planned pregnancies) are pretty problematic.

sex outside of marriage, incest, homosexual acts....these are forbidden and can cause so many problems.

As opposed to the perfection of marriage that remains unmarred by abuse, adultery, seperations, or divorces?

1) You can avoid STDs by not having sex with people who have STDs.
2) Why should I (or anyone else) be concerned with what is forbidden?
3) How does homosexual sex cause more problems than heterosexual sex? Seems to me than unplanned pregancy (or even certain planned pregnancies) are pretty problematic.

Check and cue fluffle...:fluffle:

As opposed to the perfection of marriage that remains unmarred by abuse, adultery, seperations, or divorces?

You forgot gameshows.*sigh*

Casual sex is about as faulty as abstinence, the social implications alone are not worth it. Then comes in the risk of unplanned pregnancy.

mommy, what is sex? */little girl voice*

What do I think of casual sex?
I think I’d like some.:p
I have no opinion on what other people do sexually as long as it's consensual..

You forgot gameshows.*sigh*

I think I actually repress the game shows...*shudders*

mommy, what is sex? */little girl voice*

Oh never mind asking mommy, ask me, I know much about what you are seeking...

Oh never mind asking mommy, ask me, I know much about what you are seeking...
Then you're my mommy? But I thought I was acting as your mom...oh boy...this is getting confusing. :p

I'm not one to go for it. Could have plenty of times with pretty hot girls, but I wouldn't be able to go through with it because of my conscience.

Then you're my mommy? But I thought I was acting as your mom...oh boy...this is getting confusing. :p

Sounds like a soap opera. I should find the best time to enter...

Then you're my mommy? But I thought I was acting as your mom...oh boy...this is getting confusing. :p
And weird.. :)

Hiiii, and also, g'night!

Sounds like a soap opera. I should find the best time to enter...

Teehee...

I dislike this poll because it's got that stupid cliche thing where one option is made to sound reasonable, and the other is oh so wrong, but I voted in it anyway.
I'm against casual sex, but not to the point of being crazy about it. It's simply something I don't intend to do. If others are comfortable with it, then so be it.

I dislike this poll because it's got that stupid cliche thing where one option is made to sound reasonable, and the other is oh so wrong, but I voted in it anyway.
I'm against casual sex, but not to the point of being crazy about it. It's simply something I don't intend to do. If others are comfortable with it, then so be it.

For someone who has "throat" in their name...;)

I jest, of course. Don't burn me!:(

Hiiii
Yes you are, aren't you?

Slluts have bastard children.

Slluts have bastard children.

Well thank you for calling my mother a slut...:rolleyes:

And mine...

Casual Sex? Meh, I could take it or leave it. Actually, more likely I'd take it. Just make sure I wear my raincoat and check to make sure nothing's oozing, and theres no funky lookin' rashes.

I'm fairly indifferent to it, however.

Me too. *going to make poll called are you a bastard?*

... it's got that stupid cliche thing where one option is made to sound reasonable, That would be the Myrth option, right? ;)

I see nothing wrong with casual sex as long as all parties involved are mature enough to handle the consequences that could possibly occur and everyone understands that it was just that, casual sex.

That would be the Myrth option, right? ;)
I think so. It's always the Myrth option :p

I don't have a problem with casual sex. I don't go looking for it, but if I'm attracted to the girl, nor do I refuse it.

Friend: all of my casual sex has gone out the window
Bejerot: All of my casual sex never existed.
Friend: Your casual sex is battery operated
Bejerot: There is nothing casual about something that occurs every night.
Bejerot: That... is a commitment.
Friend: HAHAHHHAHAHAAHA
Friend: god bless you

"Good sex is like good Bridge: if you don't have a good partner, you'd better have a good hand." -Mae West

Watching 7th Heaven is worse then having crabs.

Not for me, as a virgin.

Probably not for me in the future, as the rules I apply to myself are usually pretty conservative.

Don't give a shit what anyone else does, as long as they use a condom according to directions.

"And that's how we learned our lesson"-Bender
*props*
:D

Where's the option for don't care?
Are you insinuating that the proper amount of evil will surpass the satisfaction garnered by some rough, noncommital, anonymous or no-strings-attached sex?
;)

What is your view on casual sex?
hmmm... honestly, my view will be as close as possible, with a stiffie, and I believe my tongue would be hanging out.

and my view would also be extremely blurry since my glasses would be fogged up.

So.. 7th Heaven.. what a load of bullshit.

They seem to be saying if you have casual sex.. you'll get an STD.. yup. Even with protection.

Not that you can't get an STD, but they're making casual sex into an evil evil evil thing..

Am I the only one who watches this show and laughs? I hope not..

Oh, and why not have a serious question in here!

What is your view on casual sex?
First, I don't know why in the holy name of Hel you would ever watch a show remotely like that. You know it's bad for your health. Makes you think crazy, uberconservative things. Second, I'd like to know what you mean by casual sex. And I don't intend to read anything before the last page.

Watching 7th Heaven is worse then having crabs.
It was designed that way...right after Satan renovated Hell by creating that show.

"Good sex is like good Bridge: if you don't have a good partner, you'd better have a good hand." -Mae West
LOL Sounds about right.

Are you insinuating that the proper amount of evil will surpass the satisfaction garnered by some rough, noncommital, anonymous or no-strings-attached sex?
;)
Nope. She's saying it's all balanced out.:headbang: :p

Nope. She's saying it's all balanced out.:headbang: :p
...that would explain why she's so busy spreading little evil seeds 'round here. Full-time job.

I'll settle for casual sex if the formal variety is unavailable.

...that would explain why she's so busy spreading little evil seeds 'round here. Full-time job.
What? Evil seeds of spamming?

I'll settle for casual sex if the formal variety is unavailable.
It's sex....I don't know how formal it can be.

Ive often wondered what formal sex was.

Me too. I mean, what do I wear? A nice black bowtie? Silk boxers?

Me too. I mean, what do I wear? A nice black bowtie? Silk boxers?
One must address one's partners as "sir", "madam", and "donkey"

What? Evil seeds of spamming?
Ah - spam, part of la package totale.
A lot of wonded egos here wouldn't be placing the "spam" issue as priority one ...

One must address one's partners as "sir", "madam", and "donkey"
:D

*thinks of Simpsons episode where Homer has his mouth wired shut*

As long as it doesn't result in a child, sex, whether casual or not, is fine.

Respect + for the Myrth option in the poll.

I'm against casual sex for myself, because I don't attach much value to pure physical pleasure, and casual sex convert the wonderful physical and emotional sharing known as "making love" into a pure physical pleasure called "having sex".

But I'm not against people doing it, if they want to. For STDs, you can use condoms.

Ah - spam, part of la package totale.
A lot of wonded egos here wouldn't be placing the "spam" issue as priority one ...
More like part of la package totale of Ladamesansmerci.
Wounded egos? What does that have to do with the little evil seeds? Did I miss something? Did you mean spam when you said "little evil seeds?":confused: :confused: :confused:

I'm against casual sex for myself, because I don't attach much value to pure physical pleasure, and casual sex convert the wonderful physical and emotional sharing known as "making love" into a pure physical pleasure called "having sex".

But I'm not against people doing it, if they want to. For STDs, you can use condoms.
I think some things are too intimate to be employed for the sake of simple pleasure. They should be something cherished and sacred, a solemn vow made with the greatest of love, one of absolute devotion and sincerest affection.

know whats sad? I saw that episode too (shut up. I was helping with dinner and the rents had it on.)
Whats even more sad is that my parents made more dirty comments than I did...



casual sex ftw.

now if only I could get me some. Hell, I'd even try some of this formal sex as long as I don't have to rent a tux.

sex outside of marriage, incest, homosexual acts....these are forbidden and can cause so many problems. The only way to avoid STDs is abstinance.

*EDIT* I'm under the threat of severe weather here.
That's because God disagrees with you and wishes you'd stop misrepresenting Him.

As it says in the book of Romas, Chapter 13 verses 13 and 14: Because we belong to the day, we must live decent lives for all to see. Don't participate in the darkness of wild parties and drunkenness, or in sexual promiscuity and immoral living, or in quarreling and jealousy. Instead, clothe yourself with the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ. And don't let yourself think about ways to indulge your evil desires.

That's because God disagrees with you and wishes you'd stop misrepresenting Him.

For it is written in verst 14 of Romans, chapter 12: Bless those who persecute you. Don't curse them; pray that God will bless them.

For it is written in verst 14 of Romans, chapter 12: Bless those who persecute you. Don't curse them; pray that God will bless them.
Romans wasn't written by Jesus or God.

I'm not persecuting -- I don't produce "the threat of severe weather".

know whats sad? I saw that episode too (shut up. I was helping with dinner and the rents had it on.)
Whats even more sad is that my parents made more dirty comments than I did...



casual sex ftw.

now if only I could get me some. Hell, I'd even try some of this formal sex as long as I don't have to rent a tux.
not to worry, no tux necessary

formal sex is "white tie only"

and i do mean ONLY.

Romans wasn't written by Jesus or God.

I'm not persecuting -- I don't produce "the threat of severe weather".

Romans 15:3--"...As the Scriptures say, "The insults of those who insult you, O God, have fallen to me."

know whats sad? I saw that episode too (shut up. I was helping with dinner and the rents had it on.)
Whats even more sad is that my parents made more dirty comments than I did...



casual sex ftw.

now if only I could get me some. Hell, I'd even try some of this formal sex as long as I don't have to rent a tux.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You had to watch that crap! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ahem, yes, well, parents tend to have very dirty minds. It's all the pent-up sexual energies.
"No [sex] for you!"

Casual sex. It's a thorny topic for me. This is because I am ravenous when it comes to affection and the desire for the touch of womanly anatomy. I love to give more than I love to receive, and I would trade all the sex I've ever had -- okay, even at 35 it isn't much, but hear me out -- for the ability to find out what any woman I'm attracted to kisses like.

The rub is this: I was raised by a single mother and had two sisters, so I am fully acquainted with the respect women are due. I even use my imaginatoin as opposed to porn. So what I have is a dichotomy between my raging horniness and an inronclad conscience. I've come to the conclusion that I am okay with casual sex so long as BOTH PARTIES (or all parties -- I gave up on the threesome+ fantasy a while back) understand clearly that this is what's happening. The problems occur when one person thinks they're getting something more than what the other is truly offeirng.

As a result, I've taken to being as blunt and forthright as I have ever been. I feel the need to respect the person I want to have sex with becaue I'd hate to wake up next to somoene I didn't bother to get to know more than perfunctorily. Blunt nonetheless -- I specify that I'm not looking for a long-term relationship of any kind. This tactic has borne little fruit, but it sates my conscience, and if I can get what I want while at the same time making sure I'm not the cause of deception, pain or anything else unpleasant, I can most certainly live with it.

I sometimes wonder how mindlessly promiscuous people can look themselves in the mirror. Especially those who resort to deception, and MOST especially to the recent culture of drugging and date raping that's erupted in the last couple of decades. How does someone come to the conclusion that drugging someone or in some other way incapacitating them is okay? And what fun is sex with an unresponsive partner (necrophiliacs please don't answer that, I get the picture without you drawing it)?

I blame the mixture of puritan moralizing and crass consumerism that passes for culture in my country.

So that's my take. Sorry to be so verbose, but I like to be clear.

Romans 15:3--"...As the Scriptures say, "The insults of those who insult you, O God, have fallen to me."
See, you missed again. I insulted nobody. I merely pointed out a possibility. Scripture, by the way, has absolutely no effect on me when used as a weapon. You seem to get off on quoting it, which is fine by me. Just don't expect any kind of positive reaction. I'm not keen on books written for the exclusive purpose of controlling adherents. Again -- none of these books were written during Christ's actual lifetime -- they don't impress me.

Well Intan...do not reject the word of the Lord.

Well Intan...do not reject the word of the Lord.
If it were indeed the word of the Lord, I'd have no problem accepting it. But it isn't. It's the word of men. Simple, controlling, power-hungry men. Now how's about we unhijack this thread and get on with our lives? You won't convince me and I don't care what you believe.

Sexual Promisquity is a sexual sin that leads to a spiritual death.

Romans 15:3--"...As the Scriptures say, "The insults of those who insult you, O God, have fallen to me."

Yes yes yes, but you are forgetting Eccles. 4:20
"Thou shalt shut the fuck up putting phrases into mine mouth"

Thus sayeth the Lord.

Yes yes yes, but you are forgetting Eccles. 4:20
"Thou shalt shut the fuck up putting phrases into mine mouth"

Thus sayeth the Lord.

HAHA! There is no Ecclesiastes 4:20. It ends at verse 16 which states Endless crowds stand around him, but then another generation grows up and rejects him, too. So it is al meaningless--like chasing the wind.

I'm not really for or against it. Myself, I wouldn't have casual sex, but I know of some of my friends that do engage in it, and I could really care less. I would keep sex within a relationship (IE, boyfriend-girlfriend), but that's just me.

HAHA! There is no Ecclesiastes 4:20. It ends at verse 16 which states Endless crowds stand around him, but then another generation grows up and rejects him, too. So it is al meaningless--like chasing the wind.
Uh...that was a joke. I'm surprised you chose that gaffe rather than point out that the word "fuck" never appears in the Bible...that tells me a bit about you.

Uh...that was a joke. I'm surprised you chose that gaffe rather than point out that the word "fuck" never appears in the Bible...that tells me a bit about you.

I knew full well it was a joke Intangelon.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You had to watch that crap! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ahem, yes, well, parents tend to have very dirty minds. It's all the pent-up sexual energies.
"No [sex] for you!"
haha...no, my parents have plenty of sex...I'm only home for the summer. But my dad has given a prostate exam on radio before, and my dad is a dr, moms a nurse, so nothing has ever really been "taboo" to discuss.

I knew full well it was a joke Intangelon.
Sure you did.:rolleyes:

I haven't been here in about 3/4 a year, and still: Myrth Myrth Myrth!!! :p

Casual sex. It's a thorny topic for me. This is because I am ravenous when it comes to affection and the desire for the touch of womanly anatomy. I love to give more than I love to receive, and I would trade all the sex I've ever had -- okay, even at 35 it isn't much, but hear me out -- for the ability to find out what any woman I'm attracted to kisses like.

The rub is this: I was raised by a single mother and had two sisters, so I am fully acquainted with the respect women are due. I even use my imaginatoin as opposed to porn. So what I have is a dichotomy between my raging horniness and an inronclad conscience. I've come to the conclusion that I am okay with casual sex so long as BOTH PARTIES (or all parties -- I gave up on the threesome+ fantasy a while back) understand clearly that this is what's happening. The problems occur when one person thinks they're getting something more than what the other is truly offeirng.

As a result, I've taken to being as blunt and forthright as I have ever been. I feel the need to respect the person I want to have sex with becaue I'd hate to wake up next to somoene I didn't bother to get to know more than perfunctorily. Blunt nonetheless -- I specify that I'm not looking for a long-term relationship of any kind. This tactic has borne little fruit, but it sates my conscience, and if I can get what I want while at the same time making sure I'm not the cause of deception, pain or anything else unpleasant, I can most certainly live with it.

I sometimes wonder how mindlessly promiscuous people can look themselves in the mirror. Especially those who resort to deception, and MOST especially to the recent culture of drugging and date raping that's erupted in the last couple of decades. How does someone come to the conclusion that drugging someone or in some other way incapacitating them is okay? And what fun is sex with an unresponsive partner (necrophiliacs please don't answer that, I get the picture without you drawing it)?

I blame the mixture of puritan moralizing and crass consumerism that passes for culture in my country.

So that's my take. Sorry to be so verbose, but I like to be clear.
*clapping and cheering with an occasional high-pitched wistle*
Verbose, yes, but it was a good post. I applaud your respect of women. I think I'll pass on the casual sex, though, and stick to finding one woman with whom I can share all that I am.

Sexual Promisquity is a sexual sin that leads to a spiritual death.
Metaphysics don't concern too many people these days. I agree, in a sense, but not from a Christian perspective.

haha...no, my parents have plenty of sex...I'm only home for the summer. But my dad has given a prostate exam on radio before, and my dad is a dr, moms a nurse, so nothing has ever really been "taboo" to discuss.
Yes, I know; I was featured in the medical anecdote thread, despite my lack of anecdotes, rather prominently, if you recall. There was a time when they had to at least be careful about their sexual activities, and sexual energies are very potent, so it wouldn't surprise me if they still had a little of that left over, especially if their careers keep them busy(no innuendo intended here).

I haven't been here in about 3/4 a year, and still: Myrth Myrth Myrth!!! :p
I am unfamiliar with this one. Who is this Myrth of whom you speak?

No form of protection (outside of Abstenance) is 100% safe against STD or Pregnancy.
Abstinence didn't work for Mary.

That it shouldn't be done. It should only be between a husband and his wife.
Back to the Middle Ages with you!

Seriously, why? Not even to condone casual sex, what on earth is the problem with unmarried people in a long-term relationship doing it?

sex outside of marriage, incest, homosexual acts....these are forbidden and can cause so many problems. The only way to avoid STDs is abstinance.
There's nothing abnormal about sex outside marriage. Those who remain virgins until marriage are in the minority and are thus abnormal.

I'm not one to go for it. Could have plenty of times with pretty hot girls, but I wouldn't be able to go through with it because of my conscience.
Thanks for informing us that your virginity is by choice. ;)

Yes I would definitely not have sex with someone who I didn't know well, don't care how hot she is.

Abstinence didn't work for Mary.

Which Mary?

Back to the Middle Ages with you!

Seriously, why? Not even to condone casual sex, what on earth is the problem with unmarried people in a long-term relationship doing it?

Sex is between a husband and his wife.

There's nothing abnormal about sex outside marriage. Those who remain virgins until marriage are in the minority and are thus abnormal.

We maybe in the minority but it is in no way abnormal.

Which Mary?
St. Mary, you know, the virgin mother of Jesus Christ Our Lord?

Sex is between a husband and his wife.
You say that, and yet millions of people prove you wrong every day.

We maybe in the minority but it is in no way abnormal.
Minority practices are by definition abnormal. Normal actions are those practiced by the majority, not those that you think should be practiced by the majority.

I probably wouldn't engage in casual sex at this point in my life (I'm a sixteen-year-old NBK), but I wouldn't look down on others doing it. It's not my business who/what others have sex with.

Oh, and Ruffino, when I watch Seventh Heaven, I don't just laugh. I gag.

only with Asian girls!!

Are you insinuating that the proper amount of evil will surpass the satisfaction garnered by some rough, noncommital, anonymous or no-strings-attached sex?
;)
well, since there is no such thing as "the proper amount of evil", I would say any evil will surpass the above-stated satisfaction, especially when you have to live in fear of contracting all these nasty STDs and pregnancy. Besides, evil is a special thing that needs to be cherished and loved, and if you leave it alone for too long, it comes back and tries to hurt you. :p

So.. 7th Heaven.. what a load of bullshit.

They seem to be saying if you have casual sex.. you'll get an STD.. yup. Even with protection.

Not that you can't get an STD, but they're making casual sex into an evil evil evil thing..

Am I the only one who watches this show and laughs? I hope not..

Oh, and why not have a serious question in here!

What is your view on casual sex?
Casual sex isn't evil or immoral. It's something I'm not into, though. Not because it's wrong or anything... but rather, I find it a little empty of meaning. Instead of having casual sex, I watch porn and make love to my hands, instead. And when I have sex, it's only with guys I'm in love with, and I feel like it makes it really special.

Then again, to each his own.

As long as it doesn't result in a child, sex, whether casual or not, is fine.
And you intend to insure this How?

If you have casual sex and don't want a child, the only other option is abortion. I don't care what method you use. I know of lots of "pill babies", and "rubber babies", and "supository babies". In fact, I'll bet a majority of children born the last 30 years were a failure of "birth control".

Ah yes...the great fundamentalist need to link sex only with procreation....and deny it for any other purpose...

And you intend to insure this How?

If you have casual sex and don't want a child, the only other option is abortion. I don't care what method you use. I know of lots of "pill babies", and "rubber babies", and "supository babies". In fact, I'll bet a majority of children born the last 30 years were a failure of "birth control".

Eeeehh...Well, about 50% are unplanned, so technically...

You say that, and yet millions of people prove you wrong every day.

LOL! You win the thread. =D

St. Mary, you know, the virgin mother of Jesus Christ Our Lord?

Virgin Birth ring a bell?

You say that, and yet millions of people prove you wrong every day.

Sex outside of marriage is a sexual sin which is punishable by a spiritual death.

I'm neither for nor against casual sex. I'm for a persons freedom to have casual sex if they choose to do it.

Sex outside of marriage is a sexual sin which is punishable by a spiritual death.
Go tell that to the 99.9% of humans who are spiritually dead, then.

Go tell that to the 99.9% of humans who are spiritually dead, then.

no problem. I'm already spreading that messege on this board. I'll say it out in the real world too. There is only one way to avoid this death.

All I know is I'm not getting enough! :mad:

no problem. I'm already spreading that messege on this board. I'll say it out in the real world too. There is only one way to avoid this death.
And that's being a religious nutjob like you who waits until after marriage to have sex, and thus will know nothing of whether you and your partner are sexually compatible and capable of having a satisying sex life?

Sounds good to me :rolleyes:


Or not.

And that's being a religious nutjob like you who waits until after marriage to have sex, and thus will know nothing of whether you and your partner are sexually compatible and capable of having a satisying sex life?

Sounds good to me :rolleyes:


Or not.

why hide the last line when it was implied with the eye roll. And the answer to your question, minus the insults, is that you can be saved from death through Christ our Lord.

why hide the last line when it was implied with the eye roll. And the answer to your question, minus the insults, is that you can be saved from death through Christ our Lord.
No, it seems I can't, because I'm a dirty sodomite(tm). So, according to your small-minded, dark ages faith, I can't get married. And since sex in only within the bounds of marriage, that sort of implies I'm unlucky enough to either : a) never get any or b) go burn in hell.

Good thing I don't believe in your twisted version of catholic faith. And even better that most of the planet don't, either.


Oh, just out of curiosity: are you trolling again, or do you believe the absurd things you,re saying, this time? Because last time, when I thorougly destroyed your irrationnal arguments, you danced away saying all you were doing was try to provoke reactions... which is it this time?

No, it seems I can't, because I'm a dirty sodomite(tm). So, according to your small-minded, dark ages faith, I can't get married. And since sex in only within the bounds of marriage, that sort of implies I'm unlucky enough to either : a) never get any or b) go burn in hell.

Good thing I don't believe in your twisted version of catholic faith. And even better that most of the planet don't, either.

You have a problem! I am not catholic.

Oh, just out of curiosity: are you trolling again, or do you believe the absurd things you,re saying, this time? Because last time, when I thorougly destroyed your irrationnal arguments, you danced away saying all you were doing was try to provoke reactions... which is it this time?

I'm being deadly serious. Sexual Promiscuity is a major sin and is totally frowned upon. Sex is supposed to be between a man and his wife. Sex between the same sex is also punishable by death but there is hope through Jesus Christ our Lord who died for our sins.

Nothing wrong with satisfying biological human needs/urges.

You think 7th heaven is bad? in my Neo Nazi Cathloic Church camp that I had to go to in September, they said you can get almost every STD even if one DOES have a condem on. What a load of bullshit!

So yes, Nothing Wrong with it.

P.S Well maybe that's just me being a 15 year old boy speaking =D

I'm being deadly serious. Sexual Promiscuity is a major sin and is totally frowned upon. Sex is supposed to be between a man and his wife. Sex between the same sex is also punishable by death but there is hope through Jesus Christ our Lord who died for our sins.
Ah, so I have my answer: you're back to trolling.

Last thread we spoke of this, it was very clearly stated your opinion on same-sex couples and homosexuality in general is irrational and has no logical basis. Now you're advocating death penalty for me? Puh-lease. You really have to get a life for yourself.

You have a problem! I am not catholic.



I'm being deadly serious. Sexual Promiscuity is a major sin and is totally frowned upon. Sex is supposed to be between a man and his wife. Sex between the same sex is also punishable by death but there is hope through Jesus Christ our Lord who died for our sins.

Neive Cathloics... I can't believe my parents tried to raise me as one.

http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra Go there and tell me what you believe NOW

Nothing wrong with satisfying biological human needs/urges.

You think 7th heaven is bad? in my Neo Nazi Cathloic Church camp that I had to go to in September, they said you can get almost every STD even if one DOES have a condem on. What a load of bullshit!

So yes, Nothing Wrong with it.

P.S Well maybe that's just me being a 15 year old boy speaking =D

Actually it isn't a load of crap. Protection does help defend against it but it is not 100% gauruntee that you won't get them.

Ah, so I have my answer: you're back to trolling.

Last thread we spoke of this, it was very clearly stated your opinion on same-sex couples and homosexuality in general is irrational and has no logical basis. Now you're advocating death penalty for me? Puh-lease. You really have to get a life for yourself.

Apparently you missed the part Skaladora where I said it was a SPIRITUAL DEATH.

Neive Cathloics... I can't believe my parents tried to raise me as one.

http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra Go there and tell me what you believe NOW

I believe in the Lord Savior Jesus Christ who died for my sins.

Yea, but..

Well, I worded that a little too vaugly

They siad that a condem has a 0% chance of protecting against Herpies or AIDs because it's a virus. Appearently Viruses can break through latex. According to the Cathloic Nazi Church Camp!

Actually it isn't a load of crap. Protection does help defend against it but it is not 100% gauruntee that you won't get them.
Actually, yes it is a load of crap. People who get STDs despite using protection do so because they're not using it adequately. Like forgetting to press the little reservoir at the tip which can lead to the condom breaking. Or storing them in inappropriate conditions. Or using sex toys without protection. The list goes on.

When used appropriately, condoms have a better protection rate than abstinance. Because abstinance is all good and well in theory, but people are human and end up having sex anyway(and because they're supposed to be abstinent, they either have no protection handy or have no clue how to use it properly).

When used appropriately, condoms have a better protection rate than abstinance. Because abstinance is all good and well in theory, but people are human and end up having sex anyway(and because they're supposed to be abstinent, they either have no protection handy or have no clue how to use it properly).


Umm...not really, no...condoms are normally about 97% effective, because of misuse, but even correctly it's like a 99.9% sort of thing, it's not perfect.

Apparently you missed the part Skaladora where I said it was a SPIRITUAL DEATH.

So this :
Sex between the same sex is also punishable by death.
was a typo?

Perhaps you should mind your wording closely when spouting off hatred while frothing at the mouth. It seems to me like you've had a freudian slip. I did not edit that quote; it is exatly as you said it. No mention of spiritual death.

Just don't take yourself too seriously, as you obviously know nothing of what you're talking about.

Umm...not really, no...condoms are normally about 97% effective, because of misuse, but even correctly it's like a 99.9% sort of thing, it's not perfect.
I did not say they were perfect. I said they were superior to abstinance, because abstinance fails more often than 0.01%, due to human nature.

I did not say they were perfect. I said they were superior to abstinance, because abstinance fails more often than 0.01%, due to human nature.

Well, technically it's not abstinence is it?

I believe in the Lord Savior Jesus Christ who died for my sins.

Did you even READ that link?

All the contradictions.

That's not the only reason why the Bible is wrong. Many of the things in there are based on catural beliefes of the time.

For instance:
-(Some less revised versions of the Bible) the sky is refered to as a dome, and the blue stuff is refered to an ocean. In other words, it says the world is beteween two oceans. This was before people knew what was up there.

-There are NO females portrayed in a positive role in the Bible

-In the creation story, men were made from dust or sand. Dust/Sand was the only thing people knew of in the Middle East, hence, that's the only thing the "writer" could put in. Other faithes have done this. For instance, in the Norse(Norweigon) belief system, they believe men were created from Ice. In case you didn't know, there's a lot of Ice in Norway.

-The Bible was written by over 65 HUMAN writers. Not by God. 65 people can't be correct. 65 people can't have "visions" and all of them be correct.

-There are plenty of books that were banned from the Bible by a group of HUMANS. HUMANS don't have the write to sort through God's alleged word.

That's all I can think up of off the top of my head. Don't get me wrong though. I believe that God is somewhere, but he just hasn't spoken yet and the Bible is a false representation.

So.. 7th Heaven.. what a load of bullshit.
They seem to be saying if you have casual sex.. you'll get an STD.. yup. Even with protection.
Not that you can't get an STD, but they're making casual sex into an evil evil evil thing..
Am I the only one who watches this show and laughs? I hope not..
Oh, and why not have a serious question in here!
What is your view on casual sex?


Well honey, what do you expect from good, wholesome, Christian family propaganda? :) I don't mind them exhibiting their idea of 'the good life,' as long as they don't distort factual reality to make things that have no inherent moral weight 'good' or 'bad.' Sex is sex, it's nature in its purest-- sex, eating, and death: they just *are.* Fucking is no more 'good' or 'bad' than eating or dying-- provided you don't harm someone else at your level in the heirarchy of organisms. But the act of sex is only as 'moral' as those participating choose to make it. If you see it as an ethical matter, that's your business, between you and your sex partner. But wagging your finger at others and telling them that their decisions about what they do with their bodies-- how they use the gift of pleasureable parts that evolution or God gave you-- is just arrogance.

Yes yes yes, but you are forgetting Eccles. 4:20
"Thou shalt shut the fuck up putting phrases into mine mouth"

Thus sayeth the Lord.

Like Internet Jesus said: THOUS HAVETH BEEN OWNED.

Well, technically it's not abstinence is it?
People have been trying, and failing miserably, to apply abstinance for thousands of years. It's time the religious nutjobs stopped thinking in terms of doctrine, and adopted a pragmatic, rationnal, intelligent and enlightened view on sexuality. Abstinance is just like communism: wonderful on paper, but impossible to apply.

Seriously, why? Not even to condone casual sex, what on earth is the problem with unmarried people in a long-term relationship doing it?
I have no problem with that, so long as they are loyal and committed to that relationship. But that's a different matter from casual sex....

Yes I would definitely not have sex with someone who I didn't know well, don't care how hot she is.
Exactly. It's a matter of intimacy, which is wholly unsuited to people who have no intimate connection. Forging a physically intimate bond in such a manner is superficial and derogatory of humanity to suggest that we should engage in superficial pleasures simply because it is a pleasure.
*Damn Epicurus!*

Did you even READ that link?

Do not have to to know what it would say and apparently, you proved me right.

-There are NO females portrayed in a positive role in the Bible

This here is false for Rahab was protrayed in a positive light as was Ruth, Esther, Mary, Mary Magdaline, and other women who were portrayed positively.

well, since there is no such thing as "the proper amount of evil", I would say any evil will surpass the above-stated satisfaction, especially when you have to live in fear of contracting all these nasty STDs and pregnancy. Besides, evil is a special thing that needs to be cherished and loved, and if you leave it alone for too long, it comes back and tries to hurt you. :p
Will you marry me?:fluffle:
j/k:p :D

Casual sex isn't evil or immoral. It's something I'm not into, though. Not because it's wrong or anything... but rather, I find it a little empty of meaning. Instead of having casual sex, I watch porn and make love to my hands, instead. And when I have sex, it's only with guys I'm in love with, and I feel like it makes it really special.

Then again, to each his own.
*clapping and cheering*

And you intend to insure this How?

If you have casual sex and don't want a child, the only other option is abortion. I don't care what method you use. I know of lots of "pill babies", and "rubber babies", and "supository babies". In fact, I'll bet a majority of children born the last 30 years were a failure of "birth control".
To put it simply: scissors.

Ah yes...the great fundamentalist need to link sex only with procreation....and deny it for any other purpose...
I don't think that at all. Then again, I'm not a great fundamentalist....
I'm just saying that sex should be something two people with great affection for each other enjoy, not necessarily for procreation's sake. I don't like the idea of two random people having meaningless sex together. I don't really degrade people for adopting such a policy of uninhibited sexual appetites, but I'd certainly never do it...engage in meaningless sex, that is.

And that's being a religious nutjob like you who waits until after marriage to have sex, and thus will know nothing of whether you and your partner are sexually compatible and capable of having a satisying sex life?

Sounds good to me :rolleyes:


Or not.
There should be more to a relationship than sex.

Nothing wrong with satisfying biological human needs/urges.

You think 7th heaven is bad? in my Neo Nazi Cathloic Church camp that I had to go to in September, they said you can get almost every STD even if one DOES have a condem on. What a load of bullshit!

So yes, Nothing Wrong with it.

P.S Well maybe that's just me being a 15 year old boy speaking =D
That's right: it's just your stupid horomones talking. Go away before Corneliu eats you alive.

Do not have to to know what it would say and apparently, you proved me right.



This here is false for Rahab was protrayed in a positive light as was Ruth, Esther, Mary, Mary Magdaline, and other women who were portrayed positively.

Maybe I was wrong about that point. But you still, you failed to answer my other points. You never answered my contradictions or my other ideas.

Ah, so I have my answer: you're back to trolling.

Last thread we spoke of this, it was very clearly stated your opinion on same-sex couples and homosexuality in general is irrational and has no logical basis. Now you're advocating death penalty for me? Puh-lease. You really have to get a life for yourself.
But I don't wanna! Oh, you're talking to him. Phew! Glad I don't have to get one of those infernal life things.:D

Maybe I was wrong about that point. But you still, you failed to answer my other points. You never answered my contradictions or my other ideas.

You never posted any contradictions.

You never posted any contradictions.

My link
http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

My link
http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

Which is a link to a book.

Read the entire webpage... it has a list.

Read the entire webpage... it has a list.

Sorry New Alchemy. I do not debunk conspiracies from a website unless they are posted on this forum. If you want to try to make hay of this, be my guest. I will not stop you for the truth will not perish.

Sorry New Alchemy. I do not debunk conspiracies from a website unless they are posted on this forum. If you want to try to make hay of this, be my guest. I will not stop you for the truth will not perish.

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Should we kill?
Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."
vs.

Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . . neighbor."
I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter."
I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."
Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."
For a discussion of the defense that the Commandments prohibit only murder, see "Murder, He Wrote", chapter 27 (Losing Faith In Faith: From Preacher To Atheist).

Should we tell lies?
Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
Proverbs 12:22 "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord."
vs.

I Kings 22:23 "The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee."
II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."
Also, compare Joshua 2:4-6 with James 2:25.

Should we steal?
Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
Leviticus 19:13 "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him."
vs.

Exodus 3:22 "And ye shall spoil the Egyptians."
Exodus 12:35-36 "And they spoiled [plundered, NRSV] the Egyptians."
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."
I was taught as a child that when you take something without asking for it, that is stealing.

Shall we keep the sabbath?
Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy."
Exodus 31:15 "Whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."
Numbers 15:32,36 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. . . . And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
vs.

Isaiah 1:13 "The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity."
John 5:16 "And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day."
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy-day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days."
Shall we make graven images?
Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
Leviticus 26:1 "Ye shall make ye no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone."
Deuteronomy 27:15 "Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image."
vs.

Exodus 25:18 "And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them."
I Kings 7:15,16,23,25 "For he [Solomon] cast two pillars of brass . . . and two chapiters of molten brass . . . And he made a molten sea . . . it stood upon twelve oxen . . . [and so on]"
Are we saved through works?
Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works."
Romans 3:20,28 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight."
Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ."
vs.

James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
Matthew 19:16-21 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he [Jesus] said unto him . . . keep the commandments. . . . The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven."
The common defense here is that "we are saved by faith and works." But Paul said "not of works."

Should good works be seen?
Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works."
I Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that . . . they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation."
vs.

Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them . . . that thine alms may be in secret."
Matthew 23:3,5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works. . . . all their works they do for to be seen of men."
Should we own slaves?
Leviticus 25:45-46 "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."
Genesis 9:25 "And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren."
Exodus 21:2,7 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservants do."
Joel 3:8 "And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it."
Luke 12:47,48 [Jesus speaking] "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes."
Colossians 3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your masters."
vs.

Isaiah 58:6 "Undo the heavy burdens . . . let the oppressed go free, . . . break every yoke."
Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called Masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
Pro-slavery bible verses were cited by many churches in the South during the Civil War, and were used by some theologians in the Dutch Reformed Church to justify apartheid in South Africa. There are more pro-slavery verses than cited here.

Does God change his mind?
Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord; I change not."
Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent."
Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
vs.

Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."
Genesis 6:6,7 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth . . . And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth . . . for it repenteth me that I have made him."
Jonah 3:10 ". . . and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
See also II Kings 20:1-7, Numbers 16:20-35, Numbers 16:44-50.

See Genesis 18:23-33, where Abraham gets God to change his mind about the minimum number of righteous people in Sodom required to avoid destruction, bargaining down from fifty to ten. (An omniscient God must have known that he was playing with Abraham's hopes for mercy--he destroyed the city anyway.)

Are we punished for our parents' sins?
Exodus 20:5 "For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation." (Repeated in Deuteronomy 5:9)
Exodus 34:6-7 " . . . The Lord God, merciful and gracious, . . . that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."
I Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, . . ."
vs.

Ezekiel 18:20 "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."
Deuteronomy 24:16 "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."
Is God good or evil?
Psalm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all."
Deuteronomy 32:4 "a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he."
vs.

Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things." See "Out of Context" for more on Isaiah 45:7.
Lamentations 3:38 "Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?"
Jeremiah 18:11 "Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you."
Ezekiel 20:25,26 "I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live. And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord."
Does God tempt people?
James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
vs.

Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham."
Is God peaceable?
Romans 15:33 "The God of peace."
Isaiah 2:4 ". . . and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."
vs.

Exodus 15:3 "The Lord is a man of war."
Joel 3:9-10 "Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."
Was Jesus peaceable?
John 14:27 "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you."
Acts 10:36 "The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ."
Luke 2:14 " . . . on earth peace, good will toward men."
vs.

Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."
Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, . . . he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Was Jesus trustworthy?
John 8:14 "Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true."
vs.

John 5:31 "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."
"Record" and "witness" in the above verses are the same Greek word (martyria).

Shall we call people names?
Matthew 5:22 "Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire." [Jesus speaking]
vs.

Matthew 23:17 "Ye fools and blind." [Jesus speaking]
Psalm 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."
Has anyone seen God?
John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live."
John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God [Jesus], he hath seen the Father."
I John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time."
vs.

Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."
Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."
Isaiah 6:1 "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple."
Job 42:5 "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee."
How many Gods are there?
Deuteronomy 6:4 "The Lord our God is one Lord."
vs.

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image."
Genesis 3:22 "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil."
I John 5:7 "And there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
It does no good to claim that "Let us" is the magisterial "we." Such usage implies inclusivity of all authorities under a king's leadership. Invoking the Trinity solves nothing because such an idea is more contradictory than the problem it attempts to solve.

Are we all sinners?
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."
Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one."
Psalm 14:3 "There is none that doeth good, no, not one."
vs.

Job 1:1 "There was a man . . . who name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright."
Genesis 7:1 "And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation."
Luke 1:6 "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."
How old was Ahaziah?
II Kings 8:26 "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."
vs.

II Chronicles 22:2 "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."
Should we swear an oath?
Numbers 30:2 "If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath . . . he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth."
Genesis 21:22-24,31 " . . . swear unto me here by God that thou wilt not deal falsely with me . . . And Abraham said, I will swear. . . . Wherefore he called that place Beersheba ["well of the oath"]; because there they sware both of them."
Hebrews 6:13-17 "For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself . . . for men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath."
See also Genesis 22:15-19, Genesis 31:53, and Judges 11:30-39.

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Matthew 5:34-37 "But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven . . . nor by the earth . . . . Neither shalt thou swear by thy head . . . . But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."
James 5:12 ". . . swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation."
When was Jesus crucified?
Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified him."
vs.

John 19:14-15 "And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out . . . crucify him."
It is an ad hoc defense to claim that there are two methods of reckoning time here. It has never been shown that this is the case.

Shall we obey the law?
I Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man . . . to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors."
Matthew 22:21 "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." See also Romans 13:1,7 and Titus 3:1.
vs.

Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather then men."
How many animals on the ark?
Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark."
Genesis 7:8-9 "Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah."
Genesis 7:15 "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life."
vs.

Genesis 7:2 "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."
Were women and men created equal?
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
vs.

Genesis 2:18,23 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. . . . And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."
Were trees created before humans?
Genesis 1:12-31 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: . . . And the evening and the morning were the third day. . . . And God said, Let us make man in our image . . . And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
vs.

Genesis 2:5-9 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. .Ê.ÊAnd the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground . . . And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food."
Did Michal have children?
II Samuel 6:23 "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death."
vs.

II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."
How many stalls did Solomon have?
I Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
vs.

II Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
Did Paul's men hear a voice?
Acts 9:7 "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man."
vs.

Acts 22:9 "And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."
(For more detail on this contradiction, with a linguistic analysis of the Greek words, see "Did Paul's Men Hear A Voice?" by Dan Barker, published in the The Skeptical Review, 1994 #1)

Is God omnipotent?
Jeremiah 32:27 "Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
vs.

Judges 1:19 "And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."
Does God live in light?
I Timothy 6:15-16 " . . . the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach . . ."
James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
John 12:35 "Then Jesus saith unto them, . . . he that walketh in darkness knoweth not wither he goeth."
Job 18:18 "He [the wicked] shall be driven from light into darkness, and chased out of the world."
Daniel 2:22 "He [God] knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him." See also Psalm 143:3, II Corinthians 6:14, and Hebrews 12:18-22.
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I Kings 8:12 "Then spake Solomon, The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness." (Repeated in II Chronicles 6:1)
II Samuel 22:12 "And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies."
Psalm 18:11 "He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies."
Psalm 97:1-2 "The Lord reigneth; let the earth rejoice . . . clouds and darkness are round about him."
Does God accept human sacrifice?
Deuteronomy 12:31 "Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods."
vs.

Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."
Exodus 22:29 "For thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors; the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me."
Judges 11:30-39 "And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hand, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon . . . and the Lord delivered them into his hands. . . . And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: . . . And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed."
II Samuel 21:8-14 "But the king [David] took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and the five sons of Michal . . . and he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the Lord: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest . . . And after that God was intreated for the land."
Hebrews 10:10-12 " . . . we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ . . . But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God."
I Corinthians 5:7 " . . . For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us."
Who was Joseph's father?
Matthew 1:16 "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus."
vs.

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli."

Ok now narrow your long post that I will not read to one or two of these so called contradictions.

Ok now narrow your long post that I will not read to one or two of these so called contradictions.

You don't have the RIGHT to call them "so called" contradictions! They ARE contradictions! I can't narrow my post because it is an ENTIRE list of contradictions. I can't help that there are a lot.

You don't have the RIGHT to call them "so called" contradictions! They ARE contradictions! I can't narrow my post because it is an ENTIRE list of contradictions. I can't help that there are a lot.

Then I guess you are not serious about me trying to explain it. Someone once posted a thread with every "contradiction" and no one bothered to respond because the OP (original Poster) never shortened it. We all have better uses of our time than spend it on one post.

So this :

was a typo?

Perhaps you should mind your wording closely when spouting off hatred while frothing at the mouth. It seems to me like you've had a freudian slip. I did not edit that quote; it is exatly as you said it. No mention of spiritual death.

Just don't take yourself too seriously, as you obviously know nothing of what you're talking about.
For those of you who don't know, a Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean a mother.:D

And you intend to insure this How?

If you have casual sex and don't want a child, the only other option is abortion. I don't care what method you use. I know of lots of "pill babies", and "rubber babies", and "supository babies". In fact, I'll bet a majority of children born the last 30 years were a failure of "birth control".And what is the rate of pregnancy for heterosexuals who exclusively have oral sex?

Well honey, what do you expect from good, wholesome, Christian family propaganda? :) I don't mind them exhibiting their idea of 'the good life,' as long as they don't distort factual reality to make things that have no inherent moral weight 'good' or 'bad.' Sex is sex, it's nature in its purest-- sex, eating, and death: they just *are.* Fucking is no more 'good' or 'bad' than eating or dying-- provided you don't harm someone else at your level in the heirarchy of organisms. But the act of sex is only as 'moral' as those participating choose to make it. If you see it as an ethical matter, that's your business, between you and your sex partner. But wagging your finger at others and telling them that their decisions about what they do with their bodies-- how they use the gift of pleasureable parts that evolution or God gave you-- is just arrogance.
*more cheering and applause*

For those of you who don't know, a Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean a mother.:D
I thought it was when you let loose your true intentions.

Then I guess you are not serious about me trying to explain it. Someone once posted a thread with every "contradiction" and no one bothered to respond because the OP (original Poster) never shortened it. We all have better uses of our time than spend it on one post.

Ok, why don't we start with this one then.

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."

vs.

I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."

Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

Then I guess you are not serious about me trying to explain it. Someone once posted a thread with every "contradiction" and no one bothered to respond because the OP (original Poster) never shortened it. We all have better uses of our time than spend it on one post.

I also like this short one:

Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent."

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Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."

And what is the rate of pregnancy for heterosexuals who exclusively have oral sex?
23%
Keep in mind 47% of all statistics are made up.;)

Ok, why don't we start with this one then.

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."

vs.

I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."

You do know that there is a difference about killing during wartime and murder I hope?

Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Notice the bold. Also, this was the punishment if you broke the sabbeth in the times before Christ. Break the law, pay the price.

Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

Hosea 13:16 "The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God." Quote the whole verse the next time.

I thought it was when you let loose your true intentions.
:eek: You completely missed the humor! I was referring to the Oedipus complex, you dolt! Seriously, though, it's when the id or the superego slips through to the ego and manifests itself in some facet of the ego. It's completely subconcious and isn't necessarily a reflection of intention, but of characteristic ideology of the superego or id, things inherent or impressed into inherency of the fundamental properties of the person.

You do know that there is a difference about killing during wartime and murder I hope?
No, there isn't. Stop trying to justify the war-mongering ways of Indo-Europeans. Ending a life is ending a life, no matter the justification.

:eek: You completely missed the humor! I was referring to the Oedipus complex, you dolt! Seriously, though, it's when the id or the superego slips through to the ego and manifests itself in some facet of the ego. It's completely subconcious and isn't necessarily a reflection of intention, but of characteristic ideology of the superego or id, things inherent or impressed into inherency of the fundamental properties of the person.
Precisely.

(PS: I am not fully focused tonight...hence reading "a mother" as "another").

No, there isn't. Stop trying to justify the war-mongering ways of Indo-Europeans. Ending a life is ending a life, no matter the justification.

No there is a difference between fighting a war and actually killing someone in cold blood. Sorry that you do not understand that.

just so you all know, they are actually called Sexually Transmitted Infections, not diseases because you are infected with them, they dont grow in your body as a disease does. isn't personal development class the best?:D

Thank you for your apologies, but you seem to be mistaken in a few of these cases.

You do know that there is a difference about killing during wartime and murder I hope?

I do, yes. Does your bible? Nope! Just in case you missed it the first time: " Exodus 20:13 'Thou shalt not kill.'" It does NOT say "Thou shalt no commit murder in cold blood, unless in a war". In plain english, we call this a contradiction.

Notice the bold. Also, this was the punishment if you broke the sabbeth in the times before Christ. Break the law, pay the price.

Again, this is still at odds with BOTH of the "Don't kill people" bits. Exodus does NOT say "Thou shalt not kill people unless they forget to sleep in un Sundays". This, my friend, is a contradiction. The fact that it explicitly mentions god making the decisions is actually supporting my argument (see the above post about god changing his mind).

Hosea 13:16 "The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God." Quote the whole verse the next time.

My apologies - it is rather low to misrepresent the text, and you're right that I should post the whole quote. It's only fair - I get incredibly enraged whenever a christian misquotes Darwin or Einstein.

Aside from that, though, you're still making the same mistake that you did in the other two points. Exodus does NOT say "Thou shalt not kill, unless it's those god-forsaken Samarian babies".

:eek: You completely missed the humor! I was referring to the Oedipus complex, you dolt! Seriously, though, it's when the id or the superego slips through to the ego and manifests itself in some facet of the ego. It's completely subconcious and isn't necessarily a reflection of intention, but of characteristic ideology of the superego or id, things inherent or impressed into inherency of the fundamental properties of the person.

Too bad Frued was a fraud. It's all quite fun, though. =D

Precisely.

(PS: I am not fully focused tonight...hence reading "a mother" as "another").
ROFLMAO!!! That's the bloody humor of it!:D :D They sound alike AND it alludes to one of Freuds theories derived from his idea of things of the id and superego slipping through to the level of the ego as natural characteristics of the person. Mostly it sounds alike, though. You completely fell for it.:D :D :D

I do, yes. Does your bible? Nope! Just in case you missed it the first time: " Exodus 20:13 'Thou shalt not kill.'" It does NOT say "Thou shalt no commit murder in cold blood, unless in a war". In plain english, we call this a contradiction.

Sorry but if you actually look throughout the Bible, you will see that the israelites fought a thing called WARS where they KILLED PEOPLE! :gasp: So no, it is not a contradiction. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Again, this is still at odds with BOTH of the "Don't kill people" bits. Exodus does NOT say "Thou shalt not kill people unless they forget to sleep in un Sundays". This, my friend, is a contradiction. The fact that it explicitly mentions god making the decisions is actually supporting my argument (see the above post about god changing his mind).

Grr.... you missed the whole point. This is a PENALTY. In other words a thing we call punishment. The penalty of Death is supposed to be handed out to those who violated the Sabbath. You do the crime, you do the time (or pay the punishment)

Aside from that, though, you're still making the same mistake that you did in the other two points. Exodus does NOT say "Thou shalt not kill, unless it's those god-forsaken Samarian babies".

Once again, you are mistaking murder (thou shall not kill) and punishment.

No there is a difference between fighting a war and actually killing someone in cold blood. Sorry that you do not understand that.
LOL You never mentioned cold blood. That's a separate issue. One can kill in a war in cold blood and not all murder is committed in cold blood. I'm sorry that YOU don't understand THAT.

LOL You never mentioned cold blood. That's a separate issue. One can kill in a war in cold blood and not all murder is committed in cold blood. I'm sorry that YOU don't understand THAT.

Murder is cold blood unless it is in self-defense then its called self defense or justifiable homicide.

Sorry but if you actually look throughout the Bible, you will see that the israelites fought a thing called WARS where they KILLED PEOPLE! :gasp: So no, it is not a contradiction. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Grr.... you missed the whole point. This is a PENALTY. In other words a thing we call punishment. The penalty of Death is supposed to be handed out to those who violated the Sabbath. You do the crime, you do the time (or pay the punishment)

Once again, you are mistaking murder (thou shall not kill) and punishment.

Do you READ the bible?! This shouldn't even be a debate - if the guys who wrote the bible wanted to differentiate between murder and "killing", then show me the quote! Show me where they say that raping and pillaging and infanticide are exempt from "Thou shalt not kill".

Don't get me wrong, I'm half glad that you believe what you do, because you're making choices based on your own morality as opposed to what the bible says, but I honestly don't care that YOU don't contradict yourself (I don't know you well enough to make that judgment). But I'm demonstrating to you how your BIBLE does.

Too bad Frued was a fraud. It's all quite fun, though. =D
Yes, it is a lot of fun, but fraud or no, some of his ideas are valid to consider. Unlike some people *coughCorneliucough* I don't like to dismiss things out of hand. Aristotle once said, "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a notion without accepting it." I suppose that implies I've always had an educated mind, for I've always done just that. Of course, it doesn't exclude the possibility of accepting ideas, in case anyone intended to point that against me.

Do you READ the bible?! This shouldn't even be a debate - if the guys who wrote the bible wanted to differentiate between murder and "killing", then show me the quote! Show me where they say that raping and pillaging and infanticide are exempt from "Thou shalt not kill".

*sighs* You actually already have when you showed the verse about violating the sabbath and rebelling against God. Also, the penalty for murder is, ready for this? D-E-A-T-H. Penalty for homosexuality? D-E-A-T-H. Woops. I guess the Death Penalty was ok back in those days. There is nothing against capital punishment at all in the Bible. Unless you can show me a verse that I missed.

I am pleased no end that you provided a poll response that I could click on.

Grr.... you missed the whole point. This is a PENALTY. In other words a thing we call punishment. The penalty of Death is supposed to be handed out to those who violated the Sabbath. You do the crime, you do the time (or pay the punishment)
So the Fall from Eden occured on a Sunday? And it's Sunday's fault?

Murder is cold blood unless it is in self-defense then its called self defense or justifiable homicide.
Which is still murder. You've endeavored to end someone's life and succeeded. What difference is the reasoning? If you raped my hypothetical wife, which means the wife I don't really have, for purposes of clarity, I would murder you in a most gruesome manner. But there would be no cold blood. My blood would run hot with vengeance and hatred and grief, yours hot with passion. Still murder, no cold blood, no self-defense.

So the Fall from Eden occured on a Sunday? And it's Sunday's fault?

Where did this come from?

Yes, it is a lot of fun, but fraud or no, some of his ideas are valid to consider. Unlike some people *coughCorneliucough* I don't like to dismiss things out of hand. Aristotle once said, "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a notion without accepting it." I suppose that implies I've always had an educated mind, for I've always done just that. Of course, it doesn't exclude the possibility of accepting ideas, in case anyone intended to point that against me.

I didn't dismiss it - I studied it in college because it was interesting! It was only after examining the evidence that I reached my conclusions. Frued was making fun and interesting guesses based on a few individual case studies. We still teach freud to new students because of his importance in popularizing the idea of a subconscious. He was, however, just as wrong as Aristotle in most of his guesses, mostly because he was so sure of himself that he didn't bother with the scientific process (much like Aristotle!).

On that note, here's a silly fact you might find amusing:
Over 60% of Americans believe they are in the most intelligent 10%. (I, quite sheepishly, fall into the majority for this one).

*sighs* You actually already have when you showed the verse about violating the sabbath and rebelling against God. Also, the penalty for murder is, ready for this? D-E-A-T-H. Penalty for homosexuality? D-E-A-T-H. Woops. I guess the Death Penalty was ok back in those days. There is nothing against capital punishment at all in the Bible. Unless you can show me a verse that I missed.
I'll make a point here. The Bible opposes killing. Those who held a belief in the Old Testament did not. They implied their beliefs into the Bible, somehow using religion to justify their actions. The contradiction lies therein. The Bible itself is not contradictory. There is a dichotomy between human implication and divine inspiration.

*sighs* You actually already have when you showed the verse about violating the sabbath and rebelling against God. Also, the penalty for murder is, ready for this? D-E-A-T-H. Penalty for homosexuality? D-E-A-T-H. Woops. I guess the Death Penalty was ok back in those days. There is nothing against capital punishment at all in the Bible. Unless you can show me a verse that I missed.

Found one!

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

Now where are those verses that I asked for?

edit: sorry, couldn't resist that one. To answer your question, Exodus 20:13 is still a perfectly legitimate reason against the death penalty, because you still havn't shown where the writers of the bible draw the line.

Also, I did find a quote refuting your whole "war is ok but murder is not":
Isaiah 2:4 "He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore."

I didn't dismiss it - I studied it in college because it was interesting! It was only after examining the evidence that I reached my conclusions. Frued was making fun and interesting guesses based on a few individual case studies. We still teach freud to new students because of his importance in popularizing the idea of a subconscious. He was, however, just as wrong as Aristotle in most of his guesses, mostly because he was so sure of himself that he didn't bother with the scientific process (much like Aristotle!).

On that note, here's a silly fact you might find amusing:
Over 60% of Americans believe they are in the most intelligent 10%. (I, quite sheepishly, fall into the majority for this one).
I'm tempted to amuse myself further by saying I'm part of both the sixty percent and the ten percent, but I know I'm not in the 10% of the nation, which excludes me from the 60%. Oh well, I never belonged with the masses anyway.:)
Exactly. But I still think some the ideas apply, just not all of them and not in all cases. I do, however, condone the use of a skeptical, but open-minded, approach to psychology. Which is really why Freud failed; he couldn't accept that his theories weren't universally applicable and might, in some cases, be completely wrong. Even so, we should not be so sure of ourselves, as he was, to dismiss all his notions without careful thought.

I don't care what other people do, it's up to them.
But I personally don't believe in casual sex (and that has nothing to do with STDs). :)

I don't care what other people do, it's up to them.
But I personally don't believe in casual sex (and that has nothing to do with STDs). :)
You again! I thought I'd finally gotten rid of you for good. j/k:p
Good to see you.:fluffle: Now I demand elaboration.
Oh, and I like your sig, even though they're prolly taken completely out of context. Oh, and I no longer have an apprentice, at least not one I can continue to influence, so I'd not object to obtaining a grasshopper.

Also, I did find a quote refuting your whole "war is ok but murder is not":
Isaiah 2:4 "He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore."

And yet you failed to look at the preceeding 3 verses:

Isaiah Chapter 2 verses 1-3: This is a vision that Isaiah son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem: In the last days, the mountain of the Lord's house will be the highest of all--the most important place on earth. It will be raised aove the other hills, and the people from all over the world will stream there to worship. People from many nations will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the lord, to the house of Jacob's God. There he will teach us his ways and we will walk in his paths." For the Lord's teaching will go out from Zion; his word will go out from Jersualem."

Then it goes on to verse 4 which states what you state however, that will take place during the last days.

I probably need to have it before I judge it.

I'm tempted to amuse myself further by saying I'm part of both the sixty percent and the ten percent, but I know I'm not in the 10% of the nation, which excludes me from the 60%. Oh well, I never belonged with the masses anyway.:)
Exactly. But I still think some the ideas apply, just not all of them and not in all cases. I do, however, condone the use of a skeptical, but open-minded, approach to psychology. Which is really why Freud failed; he couldn't accept that his theories weren't universally applicable and might, in some cases, be completely wrong. Even so, we should not be so sure of ourselves, as he was, to dismiss all his notions without careful thought.

The problem with Frued isn't careful thought - isn't that what he is famous for?! =D The problem with Frued is a completely flawed process that leads to absolutely no construct validity.

First, the ONLY component to a psychological theory of causality (IE why we think or feel certain ways) is being able to differentiate between two or more different groups. For example, a good psychology test is able to determine between someone with schizophrenia and someone without it, with an acceptable success rate (hopefully around 95%). Frueds theory of psychodynamics is so esoteric and convoluted that the evalutation of a complete psychodynamic profile is UNABLE to determine the difference any more than flipping a coin would.

Second, his treatments just don't work any better than being friends with somebody nice. One of my favorites of Frued's remarks is in reference to a patient who believed that mice were going to crawl into his anus (a more oddly freudian disorder than any other I've ever seen). The patient wasn't getting any better after the whole gambit of freudian rehab, and complained that he was still scared about the mice finding his rear end. Frued's professional comment: "Patient is in denial..."

I was talking to my favorite girlfriend. She said its ok for me to experiment on many different women. Actually she is encouraging me.
So any one know any females that wish to volunteer?

You again! I thought I'd finally gotten rid of you for good. j/k:p

Aww :( Poor me :p

Good to see you.:fluffle: Now I demand elaboration.

Elaboration? Um, I guess it just doesn't seem right to me to have sex with someone you're not emotionally attatched to... Don't ask me to explain it more, it's not a religious thing or anything, it's just how I feel. :)

Oh, and I like your sig, even though they're prolly taken completely out of context.

Oh no, at least one of them was fully in context :D Oh, and thankyou :fluffle:

Oh, and I no longer have an apprentice, at least not one I can continue to influence, so I'd not object to obtaining a grasshopper.

Ah, but did thou not sayest "you wouldn't be up to it" unto me (or some such). :p

The problem with Frued isn't careful thought - isn't that what he is famous for?! =D The problem with Frued is a completely flawed process that leads to absolutely no construct validity.

First, the ONLY component to a psychological theory of causality (IE why we think or feel certain ways) is being able to differentiate between two or more different groups. For example, a good psychology test is able to determine between someone with schizophrenia and someone without it, with an acceptable success rate (hopefully around 95%). Frueds theory of psychodynamics is so esoteric and convoluted that the evalutation of a complete psychodynamic profile is UNABLE to determine the difference any more than flipping a coin would.

Second, his treatments just don't work any better than being friends with somebody nice. One of my favorites of Frued's remarks is in reference to a patient who believed that mice were going to crawl into his anus (a more oddly freudian disorder than any other I've ever seen). The patient wasn't getting any better after the whole gambit of freudian rehab, and complained that he was still scared about the mice finding his rear end. Frued's professional comment: "Patient is in denial..."
No, he isn't famous for careful though, but reckless bounds of flawed genius. If he had had careful thought, he would have noticed he was getting unwarranted results from his process, which implies the process is wrong and requires revision. Then he may have been able to correct his initial theories and make himself a credible source of psychoanalysis. Instead, he relied on random insights, some of which were brilliant, other of which were...less than credible, to explain the workings of the human mind.

Aww :( Poor me :p
A fluffle then.:fluffle:

Elaboration? Um, I guess it just doesn't seem right to me to have sex with someone you're not emotionally attatched to... Don't ask me to explain it more, it's not a religious thing or anything, it's just how I feel. :)
Mine wasn't religious either, but it's something like yours. If it doesn't mean anything, there isn't a point.

Oh no, at least one of them was fully in context :D Oh, and thankyou :fluffle:
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You should know me well enough by now not to assume I'm ever serious.:D

Ah, but did thou not sayest "you wouldn't be up to it" unto me (or some such). :p
No, I said you wouldn't be up to being my apprentice. There is a marked difference. And I proved you weren't up to being my apprentice. I've never had a grasshopper, though. I wonder what that would be like....
*stares blankly at ceiling*

I've never had a grasshopper, though. I wonder what that would be like....
*stares blankly at ceiling*

:confused: "*stares blankly at ceiling*"?

I'll make a point here. The Bible opposes killing. Those who held a belief in the Old Testament did not. They implied their beliefs into the Bible, somehow using religion to justify their actions. The contradiction lies therein. The Bible itself is not contradictory. There is a dichotomy between human implication and divine inspiration.
Hmm...seems this was completely by-passed.

Hmm...seems this was completely by-passed.

And yet, capital punishment is not frowned upon.

And yet, capital punishment is not frowned upon.
According to whom?

According to whom?

Oh I do not know....the Bible perhaps.

Oh I do not know....the Bible perhaps.
You do realise that the Bible has been subject to much alteration so as to further political motives?

I'm all for casual sex, yet I refuse to participate myself. Admittedly, I get very, vey few chances at one night stands, but I tend to turn down those offers.

You do realise that the Bible has been subject to much alteration so as to further political motives?

I haven't seen a single verse against capital punishment.

I haven't seen a single verse against capital punishment.
Yet there is an express commandment against killing. Silence on something does not necessarily imply approval of it.

Yet there is an express commandment against killing. Silence on something does not necessarily imply approval of it.
In most bibles, the actual the term is for Murder. Thou shalt not commit Murder.

I'm all for casual sex, yet I refuse to participate myself. Admittedly, I get very, vey few chances at one night stands, but I tend to turn down those offers.
*sighs* I wish I had the opportunity to turn down such offers. :(

In most bibles, the actual the term is for Murder. Thou shalt not commit Murder.
Isn't capital punishment a form of murder? It's not the same as killing someone in self-defence.

Yet there is an express commandment against killing. Silence on something does not necessarily imply approval of it.

And yet if you read through out the entire old testiment, you break those rules are you :gasp: put to death.

And yet if you read through out the entire old testiment, you break those rules are you :gasp: put to death.
By the faithful. Who used God as an excuse to justify their actions. God is above His Commandments. The faithful are not.

By the faithful. Who used God as an excuse to justify their actions. God is above His Commandments. The faithful are not.

Here's another thing. If Killing was illegal then why did the jewish priests execute Jesus? I mean...they are the keepers of the law and the law says not to kill so why did they kill Jesus?

Isn't capital punishment a form of murder? It's not the same as killing someone in self-defence.
nope, Captial punishment is PUNISHMENT.

Here's another thing. If Killing was illegal then why did the jewish priests execute Jesus? I mean...they are the keepers of the law and the law says not to kill so why did they kill Jesus?
Because they are human? They were by no means perfect. They essentially made the law of the land, and were in some ways above it. They were hypocrites.

nope, Captial punishment is PUNISHMENT.
It's punishment in the form of murdering someone who does not conform to the law of a land.

It's punishment in the form of murdering someone who does not conform to the law of a land.

The law that they killed Jesus over was the Law of Moses (see old testiment)

It's punishment in the form of murdering someone who does not conform to the law of a land.
no it's not, it's punishment dealt out for a crime.

by your definition, Prision is slavery. Fines are extortion and blackmail.

The law that they killed Jesus over was the Law of Moses (see old testiment)
What? Not to preach false gods? Did the Mosaic Law confer upon them the power to sentence others to death? You do realise it would be within their full power at the time to alter the Bible as it suited them to further their own means. do you not?

What? Not to preach false gods? Did the Mosaic Law confer upon them the power to sentence others to death? You do realise it would be within their full power at the time to alter the Bible as it suited them to further their own means. do you not?

You forgot that the Bible DID NOT EXIST back in Jesus's day. The Law of Moses was handed to Moses by God. God laid down the punishment for various things and most of them were Death.

You forgot that the Bible DID NOT EXIST back in Jesus's day. The Law of Moses was handed to Moses by God. God laid down the punishment for various things and most of them were Death.
If you hold the entire Bible, both Old and New Testament to be the literal truth, and to have never been amended so as to serve the interests of certain individuals (e.g. the priests), then there is no point in arguing.

If you hold the entire Bible, both Old and New Testament to be the literal truth, and to have never been amended so as to serve the interests of certain individuals (e.g. the priests), then there is no point in arguing.

So much for this wonderful debate. I guess the old addage goes "when losing a debate, retreat."

So much for this wonderful debate. I guess the old addage goes "when losing a debate, retreat."
No. I see this going in circles though, so I see no point in continuing it.

So much for this wonderful debate. I guess the old addage goes "when losing a debate, retreat."

Umm...I've never heard anything like that...

No. I see this going in circles though, so I see no point in continuing it.

Shall we take alook at the Law of Moses and see what the penalties are for breaking the Sabbath? Or how about homosexuality?

Shall we take alook at the Law of Moses and see what the penalties are for breaking the Sabbath? Or how about homosexuality?
Why go through such an exercise in futility? You are not going to convince me of anything, since I already stated that I do not believe the Bible can be taken literally, word for word, given how many hands it has passed through.

Why go through such an exercise in futility? You are not going to convince me of anything, since I already stated that I do not believe the Bible can be taken literally, word for word, given how many hands it has passed through.

Despite the fact that the Law of Moses was handed down by God?

Despite the fact that the Law of Moses was handed down by God?
The Bible, both Old and New Testament, was composed by men essentially. There was much leeway in it for them to get away with implying their own particular beliefs, or creating justifications for their own actions. Thus, how much of the Mosaic Law is actually God-given is open for questioning. In any case, I am off to bed now. I bid thee good night.

The Bible, both Old and New Testament, was composed by men essentially. There was much leeway in it for them to get away with implying their own particular beliefs, or creating justifications for their own actions. Thus, how much of the Mosaic Law is actually God-given is open for questioning. In any case, I am off to bed now. I bid thee good night.

Except that it was handed down to Moses FROM GOD.

Sleep well Europa. Maybe we can discuss this on MSN another day :)

More like part of la package totale of Ladamesansmerci.
Wounded egos? What does that have to do with the little evil seeds? Did I miss something? Did you mean spam when you said "little evil seeds?":confused: :confused: :confused:
You don't see a connection between La Dame, "little evil seeds", and wounded egos? :confused:
As for spam, like i said, it's all in her delivery. Kind of like Ritlina deliberately beginning EVERY SINGLE WORD with a capital letter.
*ducks La Dame's assault for including her in a reference to Ritlina*

You don't see a connection between La Dame, "little evil seeds", and wounded egos? :confused:
As for spam, like i said, it's all in her delivery. Kind of like Ritlina deliberately beginning EVERY SINGLE WORD with a capital letter.
*ducks La Dame's assault for including her in a reference to Ritlina*

Ha! You didn't duck my assult for including her in reference to Ritlina! *assults*

Except that it was handed down to Moses FROM GOD.

Sleep well Europa. Maybe we can discuss this on MSN another day :)
Well,
NO WITNESSES.
He went to the top, out of sight of his followers, came back down with tablets. No witnesses. Just the word of a wacko that meandered around the desert for quite possibly too long, missing three excellent settlement opportunities, and a god who quite clearly doesn't make any public announcements to qualify the claims attributed to him.

Ha! You didn't duck my assult for including her in reference to Ritlina! *assults*
Ah! Et tu, Brute?

http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/chased.gif

*whimpers*
*points at scar next to the one Dinaverg inflicts. And the next one. And the one after that. And then points it out AGAIN to Dinaverg after he already gets bored and wants to respond on a different thread.*
*tries to get Dinaverg's attention as a plea for sympathy, as Dinaverg attempts to ignore him*

Ah! Et tu, Brute?

http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/chased.gif

*whimpers*
*points at scar next to the one Dinaverg inflicts. And the next one. And the one after that. And then points it out AGAIN to Dinaverg after he already gets bored and wants to respond on a different thread.*
*tries to get Dinaverg's attention as a plea for sympathy, as Dinaverg attempts to ignore him*

I'm confused now...<_>

I'ma go wander off in that direction in a slight daze.

So.. 7th Heaven.. what a load of bullshit.
...

Am I the only one who watches this show and laughs? I hope not..
I don't believe in TV. I have never watched that show (or American Idol or The Apprentice or any of those other flashy pieces of crap that gets projected onto the tube)

Casual sex, though... well, my Y chromosome says YES. That's good enough for me!:rolleyes:

Ok, why don't we start with this one then.

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."

vs.

I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."

Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

This is NOT a contradiction! Everyone knows the Amalekites weren't humans. They were the offspring of fallen angels who mated with humans. Any good fundamentalist Christian knows that!

What is your view on casual sex?
sex for me has only ever been casual and it's rubbish. it's not about stds it's about how rubbish it is. i'm convinced that sex in a meaningful relationship is better. despite never having had sex in a meaningful relationship. it's got to be better than what i've had.

I'm confused now...<_>

I'ma go wander off in that direction in a slight daze.
Prwned.

*wanders off to get Bactine and gauze*

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb286.gif

Umm...I've never heard anything like that...
Uhm ... i saw it scrawled on the local constabulary's bathroom stall wall ....

*humour him*

Ok, why don't we start with this one then.

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."

vs.

I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."

Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

That's the problem with simplistic translations. The Hebrew meaning of that Commandment was "Thou shalt not commit murder."

sex for me has only ever been casual and it's rubbish. it's not about stds it's about how rubbish it is. i'm convinced that sex in a meaningful relationship is better. despite never having had sex in a meaningful relationship. it's got to be better than what i've had.
Casual sex usually equals drunken sex. That's never good in my limited experience. I agree that when you're in a relationship it's much more enjoyable. I hope that makes you feel better.

:confused: "*stares blankly at ceiling*"?
Reclining in thought, of course.:rolleyes: Silly Beautiful Darkness.:fluffle:

*sighs* I wish I had the opportunity to turn down such offers. :(
Me too, buddy, me too.:(