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*shrug* Too many racists devaluing the word. Rather similar to what's happened to the word "strawman" here on NS.

Are you white btw? I know there is no guarentee to your answer but...

Do you deny that you have often and openly advocated the deportation of foreigners from your country? You are a segregationist, Ny. You espouse limiting immigration precisely for the purpose of keeping other races out of your country.

You are racist too if you support whites and only whites becoming minorities in their countries. You support an action that's directed at a "race".
Oh btw are you silently admitting that you were wrong and white population actually decline?

Yes. So, in order not to be racist, you should accept becoming a minority in your own country and eventual destruction of your culture?
Again, who is stopping white people from having babies? Nobody. They are having all the babies they want. So apparently, nobody but you and a few others who freak out at the sight of dark skins are worried about this.

And how does minority status necessarily mean a destruction of a culture? Lots of minority cultures survive quite nicely around the world. Why should you be any different?

Or maybe you mean the part of your culture where white people claim privilege based on the color of their skins? That's not Norwegian culture, Ny; that's your culture.

The quote is a based on a bogus story. The above statistics are true :rolleyes: You cant read or dont want to?
Your statistics and your use of them have also been debunked by others in this thread.

Again, who is stopping white people from having babies? Nobody. They are having all the babies they want. So apparently, nobody but you and a few others who freak out at the sight of dark skins are worried about this.

And how does minority status necessarily mean a destruction of a culture? Lots of minority cultures survive quite nicely around the world. Why should you be any different?

Or maybe you mean the part of your culture where white people claim privilege based on the color of their skins? That's not Norwegian culture, Ny; that's your culture.

Claim privilage? I'm not saying laws shouldnt be equal to anyone. Denieing immigrants at the border and putting up signs like "no coloured allowed" are 2 different things.

Then racism has become such a whore word. Used so often...
There's an easy way to stop hearing it so often -- quit being a racist. :p

Your statistics and your use of them have also been debunked by others in this thread.

By who? I see that you cant even make an argument yourself or even show how my argument has been debunked...
Come on, admit it, you were wrong...

You are racist too if you support whites and only whites becoming minorities in their countries. You support an action that's directed at a "race".
I would like you to quote where I ever said any such thing or anything even remotely like it.

Oh btw are you silently admitting that you were wrong and white population actually decline?
No, the white population is not in decline.

*snip*
I will wait and watch to see how Science progresses. Genetics has a brilliant future. If it has applications in aesthetics, that will be wonderful. Who knows what it will do one day. Be conservative in your estimates if you like. It makes no difference, for it is pure speculation either way.

I would like you to quote where I ever said any such thing or anything even remotely like it.


No, the white population is not in decline.

It isnt? Because you say so? LOL, that's very convincing. Especially when I posted bunch of evidence. Dont make 'post pollution' if you cant answer back, just admit it.

By opposing anti-immigration policies, and supporting status quo, you are supporting something that is directed only on one "race", hence you are racist by the very definition.

This racism allegations remind me of sexism. Like saying to a str8 guy. "You only **** women, so you are sexist." It's pointless and just used to use an -ism word...

Oh, good. Then I can still say I don't know any women who think Dolph Lundgren is hot. :p
Most women clearly lack taste. ;)

Well, that's not the same as saying you don't believe in moral codes, though, is it? You do believe in a moral code -- yours. Right?
Indeed. I had clarified that what I meant was collectivist forms of morality.

*sigh* I'm not saying people should consider "racial impurity" when dating/coupling. I'm just saying we should limit immigration and put up more pro-natal policies...
I agree with you on these, although my position on immigration has more to do with a qualitative rather than racial factor.

This racism allegations remind me of sexism. Like saying to a str8 guy. "You only **** women, so you are sexist." It's pointless and just used to use an -ism word...

Nah, that might apply to Europa, but for you, it's more like "We should make sure the population is 75% female and 25% male. Don't let any males immigrate."

I agree with you on these, although my position on immigration has more to do with a qualitative rather than racial factor.

See, it's a lot simpler for you. You should go out and do a bunch of white girls anyways. That's what you like, and it'll mean there's more of them. Works for you, don't it?

See, it's a lot simpler for you. You should go out and do a bunch of white girls anyways. That's what you like, and it'll mean there's more of them. Works for you, don't it?
Girls? Hmm, no thanks.

In some cases, I support beauty over pure utility.

By who? I see that you cant even make an argument yourself or even show how my argument has been debunked...
Come on, admit it, you were wrong...
Your statistics were debunked on pages 1 - 10 by:

Soviet Haaregrad
Baratstan
Xislakilinia
Nadkor
Jocabia

There have been others since, but I don't intend to scan all 50 pages of the thread for them. I don't enjoy arguing debunked points. If you intend to be obstinate about it, I will just answer with copies of this post.

Girls? Hmm, no thanks.

Well, it's not as though you couldn't. *shrug* Figure a way to procreate with guys, whatever.

Well, it's not as though you couldn't. *shrug* Figure a way to procreate with guys, whatever.
Some of the oddest advice I have ever received. :p Not that I disagree though (on the guys part).

It isnt? Because you say so? LOL, that's very convincing. Especially when I posted bunch of evidence. Dont make 'post pollution' if you cant answer back, just admit it.

By opposing anti-immigration policies, and supporting status quo, you are supporting something that is directed only on one "race", hence you are racist by the very definition.

This racism allegations remind me of sexism. Like saying to a str8 guy. "You only **** women, so you are sexist." It's pointless and just used to use an -ism word...

DOn't lie. You haven't posted any evidence that the white population is in decline. All you've ever shown is the birth rates of SOME whites. It shows NOTHING. If one looks at the populations of white people throughout the world one is hard fought to find anywhere that has a declining white population. As of yet, you've not shown the population of any country where the population of whites is less than twenty years ago.

DOn't lie. You haven't posted any evidence that the white population is in decline. All you've ever shown is the birth rates of SOME whites. It shows NOTHING. If one looks at the populations of white people throughout the world one is hard fought to find anywhere that has a declining white population. As of yet, you've not shown the population of any country where the population of whites is less than twenty years ago.
I can only think of one predominantly white country with a declining population, and that is Russia.

Yes. So, in order not to be racist, you should accept becoming a minority in your own country and eventual destruction of your culture?No. It means you find non-racist ways of framing your arguement and non-racist means of encouraging Finlandians to want to have children.

Consider: people are more likely to have children if:

- women's careers aren't interrupted or ended by having children
- quality alternate child care is affordable and available
- parents receive baby bonuses or additional tax breaks
- introduce the 'having babies are your duty to the future' meme
- create lots of popular books and movies that make having children seem desireable
- *insert other ideas here*

People who are already having all the children they want aren't going to have more children because of these incentives - but people who would like to have children but can't afford them or put off having children because they "don't have time" etc will.

If whites in Finland decide to have more children, you don't need to worry about "non-white immigrants outnumbering you". Instead, you'll be breeding like rabbits.

*Disclaimer: Personally, I would like to see the birth rate of every country fall to non-replacement levels. I am of the opinion that there are too many people on the Earth, and that is why I will not have a child that is not adopted. And as a Canadian, I think multi-culturalism is cool and that Canada should be accepting more immigrants, not less. My post here is simply to show Ny Nordland that people can be concerned about non-replacement birth rates without being racist - and that Ny Nordland certainly doesn't meet those standards.

It isnt? Because you say so? LOL, that's very convincing. Especially when I posted bunch of evidence. Dont make 'post pollution' if you cant answer back, just admit it.

By opposing anti-immigration policies, and supporting status quo, you are supporting something that is directed only on one "race", hence you are racist by the very definition.

This racism allegations remind me of sexism. Like saying to a str8 guy. "You only **** women, so you are sexist." It's pointless and just used to use an -ism word...
Now you're just making up more shit.

1. By calling me a racist you are trying to imply that I'm saying something negative against white people (I'm white, btw). But in fact, I'm not saying anything about white people at all. I'm talking about you and your argument. I am disagreeing with you. That does not make me a racist. I am pointing out that your arguments are the arguments of racists, and I am saying that, therefore, you are a racist. That does not make me a racist, either. If you espoused the beliefs of the Communist party and I called you a Communist, would that make me a Communist? No, it would not. I think you are only calling me a racist because it annoys you that I called you one. But I did so only because of the specific beliefs you espouse -- and because you try to deny that these are racist beliefs, when it is common knowledge that they are. Nothing I have said is racist, if only because nothing I have said is about a race.

2. Your evidence is garbage. You yourself have disavowed the biggest part of it, your own OP.

3. Your claims about what it means to oppose anti-immigration laws is completely incoherent and nonsensical, an indicator that there is no basis in reality for your argument. The entire thing relies on the assumption that immigration is an attack or burden or other negative force on a particular group of people. This has not been proved. There is no evidence that immigration is harming the survival of white people anywhere. This is only your personal belief. It should be obvious to you that the majority of people in this thread disagree with you.

4. Your sexism paragraph is even more meaningless. You don't like the word "racist" so you try to apply it to others as a kind of counter-attack and then you try to claim that it doesn't mean anything. Neither of those tactics works. The bottom-line fact is this: Your beliefs are beliefs that have traditionally been espoused and promoted by avowed racists and racist organizations throughout the last 150 years. I know -- I'm an American -- we have and have had lots of racist groups in this country. If you don't like being described by their name, then don't be one of them.

Most women clearly lack taste. ;)
At least we don't compete. ;)

Indeed. I had clarified that what I meant was collectivist forms of morality.
Are you a criminal? If not, then guess what? :p

*snip*
Good points. I would also like to see the world population stabilise globally, increasing in some areas, falling in others, to an optimum rate. I don't agree as much on immigration, but as I said, this is not due to a racial focus as much as it is related to the quality of the immigrants.

Another thing; were the world's wealth levels to increase globally, people wouldn't even want to come to our countries. The entire thing would be a non-issue.

I can only think of one predominantly white country with a declining population, and that is Russia.

Canada's birth rate is below replacement levels, and we're still predominantly white. At the moment our population is only growing through immigration.

A friend of mine had sent me this article a couple days ago. I wanted to post it here and see what you think. Now, I remember reading the news this story mentions. It turned out to be bogus but for a few days everyone thought it was real. So the reactions here are the reactions if the news was true. Besides, blonds will probably be extinct IF current trends continue (shrinking white population vs growing world population), given that blond and white genes are the most reccessive genes.

1) Europe's population is obviously declining.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8804/e02worldpopdistr1jb.gif

Beautiful. Keep ringing that bell. A decline in percentage has NOTHING to do with a decline in population. I've shown you this time and again and you continue to make this claim. Sad.



2) USA's birth rate is close to replecement (Total fertility rate:2.09 children born/woman (2006 est.)) level but...

Hmmm... now if your claims were true then the white population must be in decline in America as you say these two things are equal. Let's see.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html

US whites - 235 Million in 2004 and 211 Million in 2000

Aaawww, that's too bad. The whites are increasing in population even though the birth rate isn't good enough for you. Must be something wrong with your logic.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-548.pdf (page 3)

3) Canada : Total fertility rate: 1.61 children born/woman (2006 est.)
Australia: Total fertility rate: 1.76 children born/woman (2006 est.)
New Zealand: Total fertility rate: 1.79 children born/woman (2006 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

4)Of course there are whites outside Europe, North America, Aus&NZ but majority of whites is in these areas so any gains outside these areas(if any) wont be enough to cover the loss in Europe, etc...
Result: White population declines fast. Period

Yet, you can't post a single statist that shows the white population numbers actually being in decline.

At least we don't compete. ;)
Well, in most cases. :p

Are you a criminal? If not, then guess what? :p
Hmm, elucidate me.

Some of the oddest advice I have ever received. :p Not that I disagree though (on the guys part).
Duh. Be a sperm donor. No, wait, that would mean the world would be full of blonds you couldn't bang. Get your hot boyfriends to donate sperm. Petition Dolph Lundgren. There you go. Race saved. Next issue.

Your statistics were debunked on pages 1 - 10 by:

Soviet Haaregrad
Baratstan
Xislakilinia
Nadkor
Jocabia

There have been others since, but I don't intend to scan all 50 pages of the thread for them. I don't enjoy arguing debunked points. If you intend to be obstinate about it, I will just answer with copies of this post.

Now you are simply and clearly LYING. It's impossible that my statistics were debunked in the first 10 pages because I edited the first post and added statistics after Jocabia asked me to prove that whites are declining, which was like in 20s....

Well, in most cases. :p


Hmm, elucidate me.
If you're not a criminal, then you obey the law, aka a collectivist moral order or code.

Canada's birth rate is below replacement levels, and we're still predominantly white. At the moment our population is only growing through immigration.
Which would make Russia and Canada the only predominantly major white countries to be suffering from a fall in birth rates.

If you're not a criminal, then you obey the law, aka a collectivist moral order or code.
A lot of the law focuses on things that would harm a person's freedom, like murder or rape. In this case, my morality coincides with the collectivist form. It doesn't though, say, when that morality thinks it should dictate how people go about their sex life.

Now you are simply and clearly LYING. It's impossible that my statistics were debunked in the first 10 pages because I edited the first post and added statistics after Jocabia asked me to prove that whites are declining, which was like in 20s....
I think you're the one that's lying, or else you've lost track of your own pointless argument. You posted links to statistical information in the first 10 pages of the thread. The posters I listed answered directly to them, saying why your links didn't say what you said they did about the numbers of white people in the world. Go look for yourself if you don't believe me.

Now you are simply and clearly LYING. It's impossible that my statistics were debunked in the first 10 pages because I edited the first post and added statistics after Jocabia asked me to prove that whites are declining, which was like in 20s....

Yes, and all of those statistics were debunked BEFORE you edited the first post. You've been told repeatedly that a decline in percentage does not mean an actual decline in numbers, but you keep claiming. You keep claiming that the white population in white countries is declining but I've posted the populations several times in those countries and it's simply not true. You're the one who is lying.

If you want to prove that the white population is declining, post the actual population numbers that show a decline in the white population in the world or even in most white countries. You won't. You can't.

Beautiful. Keep ringing that bell. A decline in percentage has NOTHING to do with a decline in population. I've shown you this time and again and you continue to make this claim. Sad.





http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html

US whites - 235 Million in 2004 and 211 Million in 2000

Aaawww, that's too bad. The whites are increasing in population even though the birth rate isn't good enough for you. Must be something wrong with your logic.



Yet, you can't post a single statist that shows the white population numbers actually being in decline.


Showing that "white countries" got sub replacement level birth rates means their population is IN decline or WILL decline...And I proved Europe, N.America countries and Aus&NZ got sub replacement level birth rates...God I cant beleive you can actually argue with this...


The two main effects of sub-replacement fertility are population decline and population ageing. Population decline and ageing will occur in any society with sub-replacement fertility that does not see enough immigration to make up for the natural decrease. According to current trends this situation is the future for most of the countries of Europe and East Asia, most of which are reluctant to accept large numbers of immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility

I cant prove world wide whites are declining in total population numbers because there's no such statistics!!!

Showing that "white countries" got sub replacement level birth rates means their population is IN decline or WILL decline...And I proved Europe, N.America countries and Aus&NZ got sub replacement level birth rates...God I cant beleive you can actually argue with this...
Some have indeed got sub-replacement level birth-rates, but most don't.

Good points. I would also like to see the world population stabilise globally, increasing in some areas, falling in others, to an optimum rate. I don't agree as much on immigration, but as I said, this is not due to a racial focus as much as it is related to the quality of the immigrants.

Another thing; were the world's wealth levels to increase globally, people wouldn't even want to come to our countries. The entire thing would be a non-issue.

I certainly agree with your last statement.

And I have no problem with ensuring that my country only accepts quality immigrants, although refugee claimants should have priority too. Mostly I want to keep foreign criminals out of my country (we raise enough of our own, thank you), beyond that, as long as we have sufficient resources and infrastructure to support expanded immigration, I'm all for it. In Canada's case, our current immigration rate is (I think) around 100,000 per year. I would like us to improve our resourcing and infrastructure to the point were we could accept 300,000 per year.

The only downside is that we are brain-draining poorer countries who put a lot of resources into training professionals, and then they emigrate to us. On the other hand, immigrants often send money home, so they often do a lot of good for their own countries too. It's a balancing act.

Which would make Russia and Canada the only predominantly major white countries to be suffering from a fall in birth rates.I'm pretty certain that a number of European countries are also at below-replacement rate.

But I have to run, so I can't verify that at the moment.

I'm pretty certain that a number of European countries are also at below-replacement rate.

But I have to run, so I can't verify that at the moment.
Of which I only know Russia. A few of them are, but I don't think the major ones (France, Germany, the UK and Spain) are faced with such an issue. Same with the Nordic ones. Not sure about others though.

Duh. Be a sperm donor. No, wait, that would mean the world would be full of blonds you couldn't bang. Get your hot boyfriends to donate sperm. Petition Dolph Lundgren. There you go. Race saved. Next issue.
Hitler would just get chills. :p

Showing that "white countries" got sub replacement level birth rates means their population is IN decline or WILL decline...And I proved Europe, N.America countries and Aus&NZ got sub replacement level birth rates...God I cant beleive you can actually argue with this...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility

I cant prove world wide whites are declining in total population numbers because there's no such statistics!!!
I showed you that the population IS NOT in decline. It doesn't matter what you claim about birth rates. It clearly isn't that simple, because the white population is increasing in the US. Are you claiming the white population is not increasing TODAY in the US? Becuase you have to say that in the face of statistics that show you are wrong. Where are these magical white people coming from?

Obviously, the fertility information is flawed, because the population of white people continues to increase.

<snip>
I agree with all your points. :)

Of which I only know Russia. A few of them are, but I don't think the major ones (France, Germany, the UK and Spain) are faced with such an issue. Same with the Nordic ones. Not sure about others though.

We will be though. Currently the only country in Europe to have a birthrate above replacement level is Albania. There has recently been a huge fuss made in the Guardian about it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,,1766268,00.html

I showed you that the population IS NOT in decline. It doesn't matter what you claim about birth rates. It clearly isn't that simple, because the white population is increasing in the US. Are you claiming the white population is not increasing TODAY in the US? Becuase you have to say that in the face of statistics that show you are wrong. Where are these magical white people coming from?

It is increasing because birth rate USA to be above replacement level. Now it is below the replacement level, white population will age and eventually decline..

*snip*
Then we more or less stand along the same line on the issue. :) If a country really wants to limit immigration, it has the power to, but it will likely face the consequences. Better that it tries and ensures good quality immigrants than shutting its gates.

I showed you that the population IS NOT in decline. It doesn't matter what you claim about birth rates. It clearly isn't that simple, because the white population is increasing in the US. Are you claiming the white population is not increasing TODAY in the US? Becuase you have to say that in the face of statistics that show you are wrong. Where are these magical white people coming from?

Obviously, the fertility information is flawed, because the population of white people continues to increase.

God's decided to get back to the immaculate conception thing.

We will be though. Currently the only country in Europe to have a birthrate above replacement level is Albania. There has recently been a huge fuss made in the Guardian about it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,,1766268,00.html

Yeah and they dare to argue that it's just percentage and europe's population isnt declining! And that's DESPITE of immigration!

We will be though. Currently the only country in Europe to have a birthrate above replacement level is Albania. There has recently been a huge fuss made in the Guardian about it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,,1766268,00.html
Nowhere in Europe will there be a declining population, either way (excluding Russia). Pro-natal policies should fix this whole issue up.

It is increasing because birth rate USED to be above replacement level. Now it is below the replacement level, white population will age and eventually decline..

Used to be above replacement level, when? Two years ago. The population was increasing in this decade, at the last count. It continues to increase. There is no evidence otherwise. Clearly the fertility statistic is flawed because your conclusion is counter to actual evidence. The white population in the US has never been in decline but many times the birthrates have been subreplacement level. Quick question, when exactly did the white population in the US start having sub-replacement level fertility?

Yeah and they dare to argue that it's just percentage and europe's population isnt declining! And that's DESPITE of immigration!

That doesn't show that white people are in decline, friend.

Then we more or less stand along the same line on the issue. :) If a country really wants to limit immigration, it has the power to, but it will likely face the consequences. Better that it tries and ensures good quality immigrants than shutting its gates.

OR try the get birth rate up!

I showed you that the population IS NOT in decline. It doesn't matter what you claim about birth rates. It clearly isn't that simple, because the white population is increasing in the US. Are you claiming the white population is not increasing TODAY in the US? Becuase you have to say that in the face of statistics that show you are wrong. Where are these magical white people coming from?

Obviously, the fertility information is flawed, because the population of white people continues to increase.
It's an illusion because of the way we reflect the light off each other. ;) :p

OR try the get birth rate up!
Definitely, that too.

That doesn't show that white people are in decline, friend.

*sigh* West European countries dont register losses yet BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION not because their population isnt declining...And here...


These are the projected losses for 2050, in Table VII-9...

Ukraine: loss of 43%
Bulgaria: loss of 34%
Belarus: loss of 28%
Latvia: loss of 27%
Lithuania: loss of 25%
Romania: loss of 23%
Russian Federation: loss of 22%
Moldova: loss of 21%
Croatia: loss of 19%
Bosnia-Herzegovina: loss of 19%
Hungary: loss of 18%
Czech Republic; loss of 17%
Poland: loss of 17%
Slovenia: loss of 17%
Estonia: loss of 16%
Slovakia: loss of 15%
Serbia-Montenegro: loss of 10%
Macedonia: loss of 7%

Older member states of the EU are not immune. According to the latest Eurostat population projections (April 2005), the population is declining in the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and by 2025 it will decline in Italy, Germany, Slovenia, Portugal, Greece and Spain. By 2050, only Ireland, Cyprus, Luxembourg, Malta and Sweden will still be growing. In fact, during the 21st century, most of the world will probably follow the pattern set by the east European states during the Cold War - Brezhnev's revenge. There is no guarantee, that the decline will ever end.

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/nohumans.html

Jocabia, now finally do you get it? What sub-replacement birth level causes?

*sigh* West European countries dont register losses yet BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION not because their population isnt declining...And here...


http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/nohumans.html
Did it mention why these Eastern European countries would suffer such losses though? We are not exactly talking about affluent Western Europe. Another thing to note. It does not take into consideration possible consideration potential pro-natal policies and an elevation of their wealth levels.

A friend of mine had sent me this article a couple days ago. I wanted to post it here and see what you think. Now, I remember reading the news this story mentions. It turned out to be bogus but for a few days everyone thought it was real. So the reactions here are the reactions if the news was true. Besides, blonds will probably be extinct IF current trends continue (shrinking white population vs growing world population), given that blond and white genes are the most reccessive genes.

1) Europe's population is obviously declining.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8804/e02worldpopdistr1jb.gif

2) USA's birth rate is close to replecement (Total fertility rate:2.09 children born/woman (2006 est.)) level but...



http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-548.pdf (page 3)

3) Canada : Total fertility rate: 1.61 children born/woman (2006 est.)
Australia: Total fertility rate: 1.76 children born/woman (2006 est.)
New Zealand: Total fertility rate: 1.79 children born/woman (2006 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

4)Of course there are whites outside Europe, North America, Aus&NZ but majority of whites is in these areas so any gains outside these areas(if any) wont be enough to cover the loss in Europe, etc...
Result: White population declines fast. Period

Btw, I dont agree with everything she says. Especially 'blaming it all on jews'. But she's got some points...
There is some merit to this concern, but it's drowned in all the Nazi propaganda.

It points to the fact that Africans and Asians are having way too many children.

There is some merit to this concern, but it's drowned in all the Nazi propaganda.

It points to the fact that Africans and Asians are having way too many children.
Don't African ones die as fast as they are born though?

It is increasing because birth rate USED to be above replacement level. Now it is below the replacement level, white population will age and eventually decline..
Oh, dear, you really don't understand anything about population growth rates, do you? You're talking about the baby boomers. You do realize that the increase in population after WW2 was an artificial bump, meaning that it is out of the ordinary rate of long term growth, right? That rate of growth was never sustainable.

And of course, this has nothing to do with the US white population increase since 2000. What makes you think these new white people won't have babies?

Yes, when the baby boomers are dead, you will see slightly lower actual numbers of white individuals in the world, but this will only bring the population levels back to a normal level and normal rate of growth. Can you wrap your brain around this? The baby boom was a treat -- like cake. You can't have cake every day. It has nothing to do with the health of white populations.

Oh, dear, you really don't understand anything about population growth rates, do you? You're talking about the baby boomers. You do realize that the increase in population after WW2 was an artificial bump, meaning that it is out of the ordinary rate of long term growth, right? That rate of growth was never sustainable.

And of course, this has nothing to do with the US white population increase since 2000. What makes you think these new white people won't have babies?

Yes, when the baby boomers are dead, you will see slightly lower actual numbers of white individuals in the world, but this will only bring the population levels back to a normal level and normal rate of growth. Can you wrap your brain around this? The baby boom was a treat -- like cake. You can't have cake every day. It has nothing to do with the health of white populations.

GOD! You can deny the existance of gravity, cant you? Look up what sub-replacement birth level means and what it causes...

I am not worried about blondes or whites becoming extinct. I identify myself as white, but both my grand parents where half Crow Indian. My paternal great grandmother was half black and half Indian. All together I have Dutch, Irish, German, African, and Crow Indian in my blood. I have a German ancestor who fought in the Revelotionary war. I AM what is American! I have dark hair and dark eyes. My wife has Jewish and Polish ancestory, dark hair and dark eyes. I have a daughter. She is blond with blue eyes and as white as they come, and if she wasn't I would love her just the same because she is a person. Which is what it all boils down to, People! People, especially in America, can't really be locked into groups and catagories. We can talk about whites, but almost all Americans are many different ethnic groups not just one. exp.. Nordic This tread reminds me of two songs I knew as a kid. The first is from School House Rocks "Its the Great American Melting Pot." The other song ask "when I grow up will I be rich, will I be handsome, This is what my mother said to me K'Sa Ra Sa Ra, whatever will be will be, the future is not ours to see." Enjoy your life, your children, and thier children, no matter what they look like.

(quietly gets off the podium and sit back down)

I just want to take a moment to focus on what I see as the major fallacy of Ny Nordland's argument:

He complains that there aren't enough white people in the world (according to him).

He implies that this can be fixed by limiting immigration.

HOW? What does immigration have to do with it at all? Is he of the opinion that, if there are no immigrants to pick up the garbage in his country's neighborhoods, the natives will have babies to do it for them?

Or does he think sex is a molecule floating in the air and there's only so much of it to go around? If the immigrants breathe it all up, there won't be any left for the natives?

I am not worried about blondes or whites becoming extinct. I identify myself as white, but both my grand parents where half Crow Indian. My paternal great grandmother was half black and half Indian. All together I have Dutch, Irish, German, African, and Crow Indian in my blood. I have a German ancestor who fought in the Revelotionary war. I AM what is American! I have dark hair and dark eyes. My wife has Jewish and Polish ancestory, dark hair and dark eyes. I have a daughter. She is blond with blue eyes and as white as they come, and if she wasn't I would love her just the same because she is a person. Which is what it all boils down to, People! People, especially in America, can't really be locked into groups and catagories. We can talk about whites, but almost all Americans are many different ethnic groups not just one. exp.. Nordic This tread reminds me of two songs I knew as a kid. The first is from School House Rocks "Its the Great American Melting Pot." The other song ask "when I grow up will I be rich, will I be handsome, This is what my mother said to me K'Sa Ra Sa Ra, whatever will be will be, the future is not ours to see." Enjoy your life, your children, and thier children, no matter what they look like.

(quietly gets off the podium and sit back down)

Welcome to the jungle known as NS General, kid. :D

GOD! You can deny the existance of gravity, cant you? Look up what sub-replacement birth level means and what it causes...
I know what it means. I'm saying you are wrong. I disagree with you. Do you know what "disagreement" means?

GOD! You can deny the existance of gravity, cant you? Look up what sub-replacement birth level means and what it causes...
I think he means that sub-replacement birth is not a problem which has been proven to afflict white populations though, on a grand scale, yet. And if it is, pro-natal policies would do a better job than tweaking with immigration (in terms of race).

I know what it means. I'm saying you are wrong. I disagree with you. Do you know what that means?

I edited the 1st post again. I thought I didnt need to explain everything. But...anyway, I wont use ad-hominems.
Read the 1st post again and feel free to try to disprove me. But I guess you are the kinda person that never admits/sees own mistakes...

I just want to take a moment to focus on what I see as the major fallacy of Ny Nordland's argument:

He complains that there aren't enough white people in the world (according to him).

He implies that this can be fixed by limiting immigration.

HOW? What does immigration have to do with it at all? Is he of the opinion that, if there are no immigrants to pick up the garbage in his country's neighborhoods, the natives will have babies to do it for them?

Or does he think sex is a molecule floating in the air and there's only so much of it to go around? If the immigrants breathe it all up, there won't be any left for the natives?

By limiting immigration, I'm saying, at least we wont be a minority in our own countries...

By limiting immigration, I'm saying, at least we wont be a minority in our own countries...

And how soon do you think that will be a likely scenario?

By limiting immigration, I'm saying, at least we wont be a minority in our own countries...

Since when were they "your" countries exactly, and why do you think being a minority would be a problem?

I edited the 1st post again. I thought I didnt need to explain everything. But...anyway, I wont use ad-hominems.
Read the 1st post again and feel free to try to disprove me. But I guess you are the kinda person that never admits/sees own mistakes...
The only way you can edit that OP to make it worth anything is to replace it with something that's true. Let this be a lesson to you -- don't start threads with bogus crap -- especially when you know it's bogus crap.

By limiting immigration, I'm saying, at least we wont be a minority in our own countries...
The problem is pro-natal policies take time to kick in. By not allowing immigration (of high quality) we might devastate our own countries' wealth, and then set our own undoing into motion anyway. A much better idea is to help other countries fix themselves up and grow rich. That would minimise immigration to us to begin with. Combining this with pro-natal policies is the way to go.

I answered to this. Not only you make the same wrong claim AGAIN but you actuall call mine false!!! :eek:
First of all Japan doesnt give mass emigration...So their net migration rate is actually very close to the immigration rate into Japan. This is further proven by their ethnical statistics:



http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html

This is what a country which receives immigration looks like...


http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html


Now do you get it? Or are you one of those people who simply cannot/will not see/acknowledge any of their mistakes?
Result: Japan is a very wealthy country but receives no significant amounts of immigrants. Hence they are a VERY homogenous society. And nobody calls them racist. Period.

Secondly, I note that you havent answered my post

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10897574&postcount=470

Does that mean you finally admit (at least silently) that you were wrong and that white population is declining/in a declining trend??

The statistics just don't bear you out. Not only do you still ignore net migration (even your own source documents a quarter million immigrants in one decade, from one source) - but you draw unsupported conclusions from what IS there.

Japan has a high cost of living, which is always something of a dampner on MASS immigration - but you attempt to make it something about exclusion based on race - which just is not supported in the evidence you cite.

The only way you can edit that OP to make it worth anything is to replace it with something that's true. Let this be a lesson to you -- don't start threads with bogus crap -- especially when you know it's bogus crap.

So you admit you are/were wrong claiming white population isnt declining??

By limiting immigration, I'm saying, at least we wont be a minority in our own countries...
And how will that affect this "extinction" myth of yours? Do you envision a rosy future where the last two white people sit staring at each other all alone by a fjord and then die -- but at least there won't be any icky swarthy people watching them do it?

So you admit you are/were wrong claiming white population isnt declining??
No, I am not wrong in saying that. White populations are not declining. A return to normal is not a decline in population growth rates. I guess you really can't wrap your brain around this idea.

I'd like to know your opinion about the person who suggested that all "racists" must be genocided.

Did I express an opinion? Or are you trying to draw me into some off-topic debate that I have neglected to indulge?

You use the term 'genocide' in a fashion I cannot relate to the question.

I assume you are inquiring as to what I think is the 'answer' to the 'problem' of people discriminating based on superficial prejudice - do I think they should be 'killed for it', or somesuch?

The answer would be no, obviously. I believe in a justice system that allows a death-penalty - but not for 'frivolous' reasons. Racism is it's own 'sentence', because it is a terminally flawed mindset.

No, I am not wrong in saying that. White populations are not declining. A return to normal is not a decline in population growth rates. I guess you really can't wrap your brain around this idea.

You havent got a clue, have you? :rolleyes: Sub-replacement birth level doesnt mean return to normal...

The answer would be no, obviously. I believe in a justice system that allows a death-penalty - but not for 'frivolous' reasons. Racism is it's own 'sentence', because it is a terminally flawed mindset.
Never knew you were a DP supporter. :confused:

The problem is pro-natal policies take time to kick in. By not allowing immigration (of high quality) we might devastate our own countries' wealth, and then set our own undoing into motion anyway. A much better idea is to help other countries fix themselves up and grow rich. That would minimise immigration to us to begin with. Combining this with pro-natal policies is the way to go.

Japan is still wealthy with ethnically 99% japaneese population.

Japan is still wealthy with ethnically 99% japaneese population.
Japan isn't faced with a sub-replacement level population though, or at least I think not.

Yes. So, in order not to be racist, you should accept becoming a minority in your own country and eventual destruction of your culture?

A perfect example of heldover imperialism. It's the same in most of the world, and we export it where-ever it isn't native.

I can't get over how ludicrous the idea is of 'owning a nation'.

If you honestly think being a minority would be the end of whatever you think is your 'culture'... then your culture is already mortally wounded.

Japan isn't faced with a sub-replacement level population though, or at least I think not.

Please check your claims before making them. They are actually worse than many european countries...

So, in conclusion, Angry White Female just wants big black Jewish cock. AMIRITE?

Please check your claims before making them. They are actually worse than many european countries...
I am not sure how Japan will fare though. I will have to read up on it to make a better judgement.

I am not sure how Japan will fare though. I will have to read up on it to make a better judgement.

They'll make kick ass robots who'll do the jobs immigrants would do.

You are racist too if you support whites and only whites becoming minorities in their countries.

Another strawman? Are you the king of Emerald City, by any chance?

No one has said anyone SHOULD become a minority - except on 'that' side of the debate. 'White' people MIGHT become 'minor'... but no one is saying they should... much less that they should be the ONLY ones to do so.

So, in conclusion, Angry White Female just wants big black Jewish cock. AMIRITE?
Oh, hahaha *wipes away tear*

I've yet to see a black Jew though.

They'll make kick ass robots who'll do the jobs immigrants would do.
We should too. The EU invests far too little in robotics.

I've seen some talk here of "pro-natal policies." CAn anyone explain exactly what this is?

Thanks.

I've seen some talk here of "pro-natal policies." CAn anyone explain exactly what this is?

Thanks.
Anything that encourages people to have more babies.

Oh, hahaha *wipes away tear*

I've yet to see a black Jew though.

I think Ethiopia has some.

Anything that encourages people to have more babies.
Like paying people money?

Like paying people money?
Amongst other things, yes.

So, in conclusion, Angry White Female just wants big black Jewish cock. AMIRITE?
Ew. :p

I think Ethiopia has some.
Black people, yes. Jews, no. If Ethiopia had Jews, regardless of color, it would be one of the best places right now because Jews are a naturally hardworking group of people who build up countries and contribute greatly to the library of human knowledge. You could almost say they're the master race, but that would be ironic, wouldn't it?

Amongst other things, yes.
What kind of other things?

Showing that "white countries" got sub replacement level birth rates means their population is IN decline or WILL decline...

No - because longevity is increasing...

So - parent A only has 2 kids with parent B

but is still alive when child C becomes parent C

Who only has one child maybe

but is still alive when child D becomes parent D...


Lower birth rates do not equate automatically to lower populations.


It's probably worth bearing in mind that the population figures probably don't include adoption, either...

Ew. :p

Yeah, I don't find Angry White Females particularly attractive either. ;)

Black people, yes. Jews, no. If Ethiopia had Jews, regardless of color, it would be one of the best places right now because Jews are a naturally hardworking group of people who build up countries and contribute greatly to the library of human knowledge. You could almost say they're the master race, but that would be ironic, wouldn't it?
You could say the same of the Japanese or the Germans. Let's drop the whole master-race thing for good.

No - because longevity is increasing...

So - parent A only has 2 kids with parent B

but is still alive when child C becomes parent C

Who only has one child maybe

but is still alive when child D becomes parent D...


Lower birth rates do not equate automatically to lower populations.


It's probably worth bearing in mind that the population figures probably don't include adoption, either...


read the 1st page, dont make claims out of your ass...

Yeah, I don't find Angry White Females particularly attractive either. ;)
Yes, and naturally this is exactly what I meant. ;)

You could say the same of the Japanese or the Germans. Let's drop the whole master-race thing for good.
Agreed.

Yes, and naturally this is exactly what I meant. ;)

It would be if you really knew an Angry white female.

Hell hath no fury...

Black people, yes. Jews, no. If Ethiopia had Jews, regardless of color, it would be one of the best places right now because Jews are a naturally hardworking group of people who build up countries and contribute greatly to the library of human knowledge. You could almost say they're the master race, but that would be ironic, wouldn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Jews

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Jews
Oh, wow, I didn't know that. I guess I learn something new everyday, huh? Anyway, they are still a very small minority.

A friend of mine had sent me this article a couple days ago. I wanted to post it here and see what you think.

Sounds like your friend has a good head on her shoulders and is far more aware than most whites out there, which is really sad, because thats a huge part of the reason our race is in such decline today. I say listen to your friend and take whatever advice she has to give you. I refuse to be one of those race trading whites who destroys our race further by producing mixed offspring. There is no reason why whites should not be as proud to be white as any other race that feels cultural pride and awareness. We have a duty and a right to preserve ourselves, and anyone who doesn't like it can check themselves for racism before judging our actions.

I just want to take a moment to focus on what I see as the major fallacy of Ny Nordland's argument:

He complains that there aren't enough white people in the world (according to him).

He implies that this can be fixed by limiting immigration.

HOW? What does immigration have to do with it at all? Is he of the opinion that, if there are no immigrants to pick up the garbage in his country's neighborhoods, the natives will have babies to do it for them?

Or does he think sex is a molecule floating in the air and there's only so much of it to go around? If the immigrants breathe it all up, there won't be any left for the natives?

Ha! Sex Molecules... :D I like it.

I see exactly where you are coming from... if 'whites' fail to reproduce, they will die out, with or without the immigrants that Ny fears so passionately.

Maybe Ny just want's Europe left empty, when all us 'white Europeans' breed ourselves into non-existence. (According to his flawed grasp of math).

I believe that (not to insult you muslims, of course) that Islam is a fairly interesting religion. I mean, by the time Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism were thriving, Islam came along. It was basically a copy of thee other major religions, except it's extremely strict. I think the religion should be banned, or something, or just completely reform it, becuase it exploits women *there ya go*. It also makes you pray like 7x a day... but I won't go into that. Exploitation isn't just in religion. It appears in commericalism too. Have you ever seen a halebob or a bebe add? I mean the women are either almost fucking a man, or they're almost completely naked. And if people say, "Well they agree to doing it..." I agree. Women agreeing to their self-exploitation is part of a problem. Wait, we are talking about exploitation, aren't we?

Sounds like your friend has a good head on her shoulders and is far more aware than most whites out there, which is really sad, because thats a huge part of the reason our race is in such decline today. I say listen to your friend and take whatever advice she has to give you. I refuse to be one of those race trading whites who destroys our race further by producing mixed offspring. There is no reason why whites should not be as proud to be white as any other race that feels cultural pride and awareness. We have a duty and a right to preserve ourselves, and anyone who doesn't like it can check themselves for racism before judging our actions.
You belong on Stormfront, not NS. :rolleyes:

I believe that (not to insult you muslims, of course) that Islam is a fairly interesting religion. I mean, by the time Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism were thriving, Islam came along. It was basically a copy of thee other major religions, except it's extremely strict. I think the religion should be banned, or something, or just completely reform it, becuase it exploits women *there ya go*. It also makes you pray like 7x a day... but I won't go into that. Exploitation isn't just in religion. It appears in commericalism too. Have you ever seen a halebob or a bebe add? I mean the women are either almost fucking a man, or they're almost completely naked. And if people say, "Well they agree to doing it..." I agree. Women agreeing to their self-exploitation is part of a problem. Wait, we are talking about exploitation, aren't we?
How utterly irrelevant. And wrong, on certain levels.

I believe that (not to insult you muslims, of course) that Islam is a fairly interesting religion. I mean, by the time Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism were thriving, Islam came along. It was basically a copy of thee other major religions, except it's extremely strict. I think the religion should be banned, or something, or just completely reform it, becuase it exploits women *there ya go*. It also makes you pray like 7x a day... but I won't go into that. Exploitation isn't just in religion. It appears in commericalism too. Have you ever seen a halebob or a bebe add? I mean the women are either almost fucking a man, or they're almost completely naked. And if people say, "Well they agree to doing it..." I agree. Women agreeing to their self-exploitation is part of a problem. Wait, we are talking about exploitation, aren't we?
I always like an incoherent, ridiculuous rant.

I refuse to be one of those race trading whites who destroys our race further by producing mixed offspring.

I suppose that's why you're a sister-fucker.

I believe that (not to insult you muslims, of course) that Islam is a fairly interesting religion. I mean, by the time Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism were thriving, Islam came along. It was basically a copy of thee other major religions, except it's extremely strict. I think the religion should be banned, or something, or just completely reform it, becuase it exploits women *there ya go*. It also makes you pray like 7x a day... but I won't go into that. Exploitation isn't just in religion. It appears in commericalism too. Have you ever seen a halebob or a bebe add? I mean the women are either almost fucking a man, or they're almost completely naked. And if people say, "Well they agree to doing it..." I agree. Women agreeing to their self-exploitation is part of a problem. Wait, we are talking about exploitation, aren't we?

...Wha?

You belong on Stormfront, not NS. :rolleyes:

You arent the authority to dictate who can post where :rolleyes:
Especially after you claimed asians and jews are superior than whites and whites are superior than blacks...

You arent the authority to dictate who can post where :rolleyes:
I was only offering a helpful suggestion. He would have a much better time on stormfront with all the other racists. However, I recognize his right to be an idiot wherever he likes, I just hope he isn't surprised when he gets beat up for it one sunny day. Most Jews are whites. I believe in general they are superior, but that doesn't make me any inferior. I strive to do the best I can.

You are also racist, but at least your arguments are coherent and therefore I can converse with you.

Never knew you were a DP supporter. :confused:

It's not news... I tend to hang around mainly in religion or race/gender threads, though... so it's less likely to be mentioned frequently, I guess.

A quick look back over some of the recent related threads (like that crazy woman that cut off her six-month-old daughter's arms) would quickly verify it.

I suppose that's why you're a sister-fucker.

Hahaha, good one liberal. You show perfectly and succinctly why your kind always loses the argument. Never let emotion cloud your debate.....that is unless you're a hand wringing liberal who attempts to win the debate by simply overpowering the opponent with petty insults dredged from the gutters of the slums you love to promote so much.

Hahaha, good one liberal. You show perfectly and succinctly why your kind always loses the argument. Never let emotion cloud your debate.....that is unless you're a hand wringing liberal who attempts to win the debate by simply overpowering the opponent with petty insults dredged from the gutters of the slums you love to promote so much.
This is hilarious. Look at the pot calling the kettle black.

I was only offering a helpful suggestion. He would have a much better time on stormfront with all the other racists. However, I recognize his right to be an idiot wherever he likes, I just hope he isn't surprised when he gets beat up for it one sunny day. Most Jews are whites. I believe in general they are superior, but that doesn't make me any inferior. I strive to do the best I can.

You are also racist, but at least your arguments are coherent and therefore I can converse with you.
Culturally superior, perhaps. Again though, they are not the only ones.

Culturally superior, perhaps. Again though, they are not the only ones.
Yeah, well Europeans tend to be smart also, so I guess they're on the same level basically.

Hahaha, good one liberal. You show perfectly and succinctly why your kind always loses the argument. Never let emotion cloud your debate.....that is unless you're a hand wringing liberal who attempts to win the debate by simply overpowering the opponent with petty insults dredged from the gutters of the slums you love to promote so much.

blah blah blah liberal blah blah blah

Sorry, is there an "argument" or "debate" in your racist trash? You might want to repeat it, because the only impression you actually gave is just that you like to bend your sister over and shove your ruddy little cock into her pure-white cumhole.

blah blah blah liberal blah blah blah

Sorry, is there an "argument" or "debate" in your racist trash? You might want to repeat it, because the only impression you actually gave is just that you like to bend your sister over and shove your ruddy little cock into her pure-white cumhole.
That was deliciously funny. Keep up the good work:cool:

Yeah, well Europeans tend to be smart also, so I guess they're on the same level basically.
More or less. Some areas of Europe are notorious for being lazier than others though. :p

More or less. Some areas of Europe are notorious for being lazier than others though. :p
What do you think of Eastern Europeans compared to the Western ones?

Somehow I doubt the world is going to fall apart, even if we do run out of blonde people. (I know its been said before, bear with me) the real problem that I'm thinking of is this - those same things that cause lower birth rates in developed countries, those things like not having kids until you've finished your degree, gotten a good job... won't those things affect inteligent people more so than the less inteligent people? I don't think there's a difference in intelligence between races, but if you consider it - with smart women, they get a degree and don't have kids until later - if ever. Meanwhile, her undereducated fellow woman will have had three or four, if not more, kids. So, I've got to say, at least partly in jest, maybe it is a "conspiracy" - one to get rid of women smart enough and motivated enough to get a good education... just a thought...

What do you think of Eastern Europeans compared to the Western ones?
I was referring to Southern ones, but them I pity on a certain level. I pity them because of what the USSR did to them, and how much better they could have been. One day the EU might change things though. They are some of the most gorgeous Europeans too.

You belong on Stormfront, not NS. :rolleyes:


Isn't it just horrible that I feel the same sort of cultural pride for my race that any other member of an ethnic race feels for their racial counterparts?!? However can you libs stand it?! It must just burn you alive to see a white person not grovelling at the altar of multiculturalism. The shame! The horror of a white person who refuses to flagellate themself over being white! How unbelieveably racist to value your own culture and take pride in your ancestors accomplishments!!! Maybe you can get that joke of a corrupt charity, the southern poverty law center, to get on here and give us mean ol' evil whites a verbal beatdown for daring to be white!

I was referring to Southern ones, but them I pity on a certain level. I pity them because of what the USSR did to them, and how much better they could have been. One day the EU might change things though.
I"m from Eastern Europe. Yeh, the commies really screwed us over, and right now, my country (Ukraine) is a shithole. But hey, put me next to a brit, a spaniard, a german, or a frenchie, and you can't tell the difference.

lol@fag (original poster)

blah blah blah liberal blah blah blah

Sorry, is there an "argument" or "debate" in your racist trash? You might want to repeat it, because the only impression you actually gave is just that you like to bend your sister over and shove your ruddy little cock into her pure-white cumhole.

Great Beer and Food, dont lower yourself to his level...

Great Beer and Food, dont lower yourself to his level...
Indeed, that was a really low blow.

Gee, and I thought we were supposed to try and be rational when we debate each other...

I"m from Eastern Europe. Yeh, the commies really screwed us over, and right now, my country (Ukraine) is a shithole. But hey, put me next to a brit, a spaniard, a german, or a frenchie, and you can't tell the difference.
Naturally. We will welcome you back into Europe though. And I hope one day Russia too. :)

Isn't it just horrible that I feel the same sort of cultural pride for my race that any other member of an ethnic race feels for their racial counterparts?!? However can you libs stand it?! It must just burn you alive to see a white person not grovelling at the altar of multiculturalism. The shame! The horror of a white person who refuses to flagellate themself over being white! How unbelieveably racist to value your own culture and take pride in your ancestors accomplishments!!! Maybe you can get that joke of a corrupt charity, the southern poverty law center, to get on here and give us mean ol' evil whites a verbal beatdown for daring to be white!
Hey, be proud all you want, I'm not stopping you. All I"m saying is don't go around burning crosses on black people's lawns, because that's just retarded. But hey, it's a free country, and that included the freedom to be an idiot.

Gee, and I thought we were supposed to try and be rational when we debate each other...

After a certain point you realize rationality shouldn't be wasted on some people.

Naturally. We will welcome you back into Europe though. And I hope one day Russia too. :)
Russia is part of Europe. Up to the Ural Mountains, that is.

I was referring to Southern ones, but them I pity on a certain level. I pity them because of what the USSR did to them, and how much better they could have been. One day the EU might change things though. They are some of the most gorgeous Europeans too.

EU is a big liberal(continental european sense) crap. I hope it dissolves soon.

Isn't it just horrible that I feel the same sort of cultural pride for my race that any other member of an ethnic race feels for their racial counterparts?!? However can you libs stand it?! It must just burn you alive to see a white person not grovelling at the altar of multiculturalism. The shame! The horror of a white person who refuses to flagellate themself over being white! How unbelieveably racist to value your own culture and take pride in your ancestors accomplishments!!! Maybe you can get that joke of a corrupt charity, the southern poverty law center, to get on here and give us mean ol' evil whites a verbal beatdown for daring to be white!

Oh darling. Darling! Let's take this apart, since apparently this is your idea of "debate."

cultural pride for my race

Race is not a culture. For example, we are both white. But your culture is one of inbreeding and mine is one of education. Clearly we have no shared culture due solely to race.

However can you libs stand it?

Just because you're a fucking nazi doesn't mean anyone who disagrees with you is a "lib."

It must just burn you alive to see a white person not grovelling at the altar of multiculturalism.

Actually, it just annoys me that we could fight and defeat the nazis in WWII, only to have shitheads like you spout their tired trash. You thumb your nose at the altar of AMERICA, white boy.

The horror of a white person who refuses to flagellate themself over being white!

It's more like the horror of a person who self-fellates himself for being white.

How unbelieveably racist

Yes ma'am.

Maybe you can get that joke of a corrupt charity, the southern poverty law center, to get on here and give us mean ol' evil whites a verbal beatdown for daring to be white!

Maybe you could let ME fuck your sister. Come on, I'll help you spread the white seed. Together we'll conquer the world. SIEG HEIL!

blah blah blah liberal blah blah blah

Sorry, is there an "argument" or "debate" in your racist trash? You might want to repeat it, because the only impression you actually gave is just that you like to bend your sister over and shove your ruddy little cock into her pure-white cumhole.

Two can play that game. Go fuck your blind old gash of a fish stench ridden mother, bitch.

Wow, how enlightening this has been. I do hope I get to play another wonderful round of "how low can you go" with a piss poor debater such as your liberal self. True genius.........stooping to jokes about fucking your family members......You liberals were defeated before you even began....how sad. This is exactly why not a single solitary sot in this country or ANYWHERE else in the world takes you guys seriously.

EU is a big liberal(continental european sense) crap. I hope it dissolves soon.
In the European sense? But that means pro-economic freedom.

I agree that the EU needs reform urgently. I would not call for its dissolution though.

So, it's a bunch of racist codswallop based on a lie? Like most racist things, but still.

Oh, and screw the "Nordic" "race." It is clearly inferior if it goes extinct. You'd think someone racist would understand that, but I guess following even their own lack of logic is asking too much out of these Einsteins.
BEST CALL EVA!

Russia is part of Europe. Up to the Ural Mountains, that is.
Considering that most of Russia's wealth and population is concentrated in this region, yes. :p

Two can play that game. Go fuck your blind old gash of a fish stench ridden mother, bitch.
Wow, how enlightening this has been. I do hope I get to play another wonderful round of "how low can you go" with a piss poor debater such as your liberal self. True genius.........stooping to jokes about fucking your family members......You liberals were defeated before you even began....how sad. This is exactly why not a single solitary sot in this country or ANYWHERE else in the world takes you guys seriously.
Point made.

Two can play that game. Go fuck your blind old gash of a fish stench ridden mother, bitch.

I've already done that twice today. It gets old after a while.

Wow, how enlightening this has been. I do hope I get to play another wonderful round of "how low can you go" with a piss poor debater such as your liberal self. True genius.........stooping to jokes about fucking your family members......You liberals were defeated before you even began....how sad. This is exactly why not a single solitary sot in this country or ANYWHERE else in the world takes you guys seriously.

I'm wondering who you think takes you seriously. Other than nazis and racists, that is.

Oh darling. Darling! Let's take this apart, since apparently this is your idea of "debate."



Race is not a culture. For example, we are both white. But your culture is one of inbreeding and mine is one of education. Clearly we have no shared culture due solely to race.



Just because you're a fucking nazi doesn't mean anyone who disagrees with you is a "lib."



Actually, it just annoys me that we could fight and defeat the nazis in WWII, only to have shitheads like you spout their tired trash. You thumb your nose at the altar of AMERICA, white boy.



It's more like the horror of a person who self-fellates himself for being white.



Yes ma'am.



Maybe you could let ME fuck your sister. Come on, I'll help you spread the white seed. Together we'll conquer the world. SIEG HEIL!

You arent white off course...

read the 1st page, dont make claims out of your ass...

A little impolite perhaps, for someone who has edited the FIRST post at least twice since I first read it...

I shouldn't be surprised... this IS about as close as you ever get to debate.

What exactly is it you object to?

*snip*
I like NY, and I can agree with him on things to a certain level. You though are another story.

EU is a big liberal(continental european sense) crap. I hope it dissolves soon.
What do you care? Norway isn't even a member.

I like NY, and I can agree with him on things to a certain level. You though are another story.
That's what I've been saying all along.

I don't necessarily agree with either you or NY Nordland.

In the European sense? But that means pro-economic freedom.

Yeah...That's what eu is, trying to liberalize everything.

What do you care? Norway isn't even a member.

I get sad for denmark and sweden and finland and all those others...

Yeah...That's what eu is, trying to liberalize everything.
Economic freedom (ie capitalism) is good though. I don't think the EU is capitalist enough in fact. It needs to become more like Switzerland and less like the bureaucratic nightmare it is today.

A little impolite perhaps, for someone who has edited the FIRST post at least twice since I first read it...

I shouldn't be surprised... this IS about as close as you ever get to debate.

What exactly is it you object to?

At first I thought the information there was enough. But people didnt/couldnt understand. So I edited.
Umm, we are talking about it the whole thread...

You arent white off course...

Oh, more conspiracy crap, like how Jocabia was a Jew because "Jocabia" sounded like "Jacob" to you?

Let's see... I've known myself for over two decades...

You've known me anonymously online in the course of perhaps a few hundred posts on a message board.

I think I'm more credible when I say I'm white, than you are when you insist I'm not.

That's what I've been saying all along.

I don't necessarily agree with either you or NY Nordland.
You can agree to disagree with us. ;)

Economic freedom (ie capitalism) is good though. I don't think the EU is capitalist enough in fact.

Now I'm in agreement.

You can agree to disagree with us. ;)
Yes, and the reason I'm still here is because you make an intelligent conversation, if slightly offensive. However, I just can't stomach retards like Beer and Food because all they do is rant and insult others. Here's some advice: If you want your views to be taken seriously by people like me (who are not racist, but realistic) then you should never become like Great Beer and Food.

Great Beer and Food - no one takes the liberals seriously? Well, strangely enough, I do - gee, that there's one flimsy overgeneralization punctured...

Economic freedom (ie capitalism) is good though. I don't think the EU is capitalist enough in fact. It needs to become more like Switzerland and less like the bureaucratic nightmare it is today.

Oh please. I hope EU/Europe doesnt turn out to be more like USA. God, please no!

Oh please. I hope EU/Europe doesnt turn out to be more like USA. God, please no!
It won't. Switzerland is most definitely not the USA. The USA is not my vision for Europe, or the EU.

Indeed! America is enough of a monstrosity for any one world... of course it isn't cutting off people's hands, but still... it's a big mess with a president who makes >insert name of really stupid person you know< look smart... still, it's a democracy, and that means that it could have been so much better...

Come on, Ny Norland. I'm interested in hearing what your learned opinion of what race I must be is, and what your reasoning is.

Don't just make unsupported accusations about someone's ethnicity, because those might be construed as just racist insults.

Come on, Ny Norland. I'm interested in hearing what your learned opinion of what race I must be is, and what your reasoning is.

Don't just make unsupported accusations about someone's ethnicity, because those might be construed as just racist insults.

Isnt Santa Barbara in California which is majority non-white?

Of course, one needs to consider - is a free market economy necesarily strictly an American thing? Sure, they've had the most unrestricted free market economy, but still... weren't the Dutch the first people to have really big free enterprise stuff? So, shouldn't we be saying... oh well, I've lost my point, but the gist of it all is that the idea of a free market economy isn't American. (don't you get sick of all that "America is the greatest!" crap? Sure, it's the greatest, from good old "American"s like Verner Von Braun and Einstein... you ever wonder if we'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for the stupidity of the world wars?

Of course, one needs to consider - is a free market economy necesarily strictly an American thing? Sure, they've had the most unrestricted free market economy, but still... weren't the Dutch the first people to have really big free enterprise stuff?
Of course it isn't. Capitalism is ancient. Many of Capitalism's (and Libertarianism's) major contemporary theorists were (and are) Austrian, and not American.

Isnt Santa Barbara in California which is majority non-white?

Yes it is, but the largest demographic segment is white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California#Racial_and_ancestral_makeup). Then again, I don't consider "non-white" an ethnicity. I'm interested in knowing just what flavor of "non-white" you imagined me to be. Hispanic? Asian?

Of course, one needs to consider - is a free market economy necesarily strictly an American thing? Sure, they've had the most unrestricted free market economy, but still... weren't the Dutch the first people to have really big free enterprise stuff? So, shouldn't we be saying... oh well, I've lost my point, but the gist of it all is that the idea of a free market economy isn't American. (don't you get sick of all that "America is the greatest!" crap? Sure, it's the greatest, from good old "American"s like Verner Von Braun and Einstein... you ever wonder if we'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for the stupidity of the world wars?

Yeah America is the greatest. All immigrants should go that way!

At first I thought the information there was enough. But people didnt/couldnt understand. So I edited.
Umm, we are talking about it the whole thread...

At first you thought the 'information' there was enough - but, of course - the original information was just you reposting some racist rant you found.

But people didn't or couldn't understand... which is not too hard to believe, because the original post was fatally flawed on an evidentiary basis, and hasn't got much better as it progressed... unless you consider 'open-source' evidence to be infallible.

As to 'what we are talking about' in the whole thread... it seems likely that the mods will close this thread before too much longer, and possibly indulge in something of a cull, I'd wager.

I'm not going to waste time, therefore, pursuing generalities.

If you have a point, make it.

At first you thought the 'information' there was enough - but, of course - the original information was just you reposting some racist rant you found.

But people didn't or couldn't understand... which is not too hard to believe, because the original post was fatally flawed on an evidentiary basis, and hasn't got much better as it progressed... unless you consider 'open-source' evidence to be infallible.

As to 'what we are talking about' in the whole thread... it seems likely that the mods will close this thread before too much longer, and possibly indulge in something of a cull, I'd wager.

I'm not going to waste time, therefore, pursuing generalities.

If you have a point, make it.

European countries should limit immigration and start introducing pro-natal policies...

Anyway, it's too late, I'm off to bed. Hope I wont find the thread closed...

European countries should limit immigration and start introducing pro-natal policies...
Again agreed, although on a mostly different basis for the former.

Nighty night NY.

European countries should limit immigration and start introducing pro-natal policies...

Two different approaches.

The pro-natal thing MIGHT address the population 'adjustment', but it will be unlikely to perpetuate any form of culture - because cultures change.

The 'limit immigration' thing is irrelevent to (your claims of) declining 'white' populations, because 'white' cultures will stand or fall based on their reproductive patetrs, with or without external influences.

As your source DID say - the BEST thing about immigration is that it brings working-age citizens to a nation in which the population is tending towards longevity.

So - which platform are you claiming to stand on here? The 'keep Europe white' platform, or the 'let's have more babies' platform - because they are NOT the same.

Anyway, it's too late, I'm off to bed. Hope I wont find the thread closed...

I wouldn't hold my breath.

Oh, so the Jews are to blame once again for "problems" they are not even involved in? They actually participate in interracial marriages less often than non-Jews, or Gentiles. And the majority of people in the media are Christians, not Jews, even though the stereotype is Jewish. The only country Jews rule over is Israel, which they had to lose about 6 million people to be rewarded with. Also, while the Caucasian race may be declining percentage wise, it is certainly increasing every minute. Whites will not even come close to being extinct in 200 years.

The only country Jews rule over is Israel, which they had to lose about 6 million people to be rewarded with.

Israel was a reward for their role in WWII, really?

Israel was a reward for their role in WWII, really?

It was a sort of "booby-prize"

You havent got a clue, have you? :rolleyes: Sub-replacement birth level doesnt mean return to normal...
You apparently are the expert on not having clues.

1) Your first error: You seem to think that, if you received 2 oranges every day of your life, except that last wednesday, you got 3 oranges, this means you're supposed to get 3 oranges a day from then on. It doesn't work that way. Populations around the world increased abnormally in the late 20th century. The supposed declines you are so worked up over are nothing more than a correction back to normal rates of growth.

2) Your second error: There are no "white countries," and white people are not bound to their countries of origin They move around just as much as non-whites. Numbers of whites may be declining in some areas, but they are not declining in others. Swedes may have fewer babies in Sweden, but Swedes are having more babies in the USA and other countries. Do you get it now? Where the white people are doesn't matter. Their numbers are not declining. White people, as a group, are not declining. There. I've said it twice in one paragraph now.

But I think you understand this all perfectly well. (It's hard for me to imagine that you don't.) You're just in love with some fantasy vision of what you wish your country looked like, and you are wildly twisting and inventing "evidence" to try to persuade us that it is anything but a fantasy. You are failing.

Ha! Sex Molecules... :D I like it.

I see exactly where you are coming from... if 'whites' fail to reproduce, they will die out, with or without the immigrants that Ny fears so passionately.

Maybe Ny just want's Europe left empty, when all us 'white Europeans' breed ourselves into non-existence. (According to his flawed grasp of math).
Sniff-sniff --- what's that smell? ;)

*sigh* West European countries dont register losses yet BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION not because their population isnt declining...And here...

So you're saying that WHITE immigration is keeping the white people up? Because I am only talking about the white population of the US which I showed is and always has been growing.

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/nohumans.html

Jocabia, now finally do you get it? What sub-replacement birth level causes?
I get it. That they have been claiming white people were in decline for 100 years and as of yet there is no evidence of it actually occurring. In fact, all evidence points to the opposite. Unfortunately, you'd rather look at evidence that is SUPPOSED to cause a decline rather than evidence that NO DECLINE is occurring.

Your bias is not mine. I'd rather deal in reality rather than a spurious figure that doesn't hold true. When they look at birthrates thay have to do a lot of extrapolation because a major portion of the adult population has not stopped having children yet. Clearly, their extrapolation is flawed because all evidence shows the white population continues to grow. If you are going to claim the growth over the four years I showed among the white population is due to immigration, please present the white immigration and emmigration statistics. Because methinks you're pulling out of a dark and smelly place.

GOD! You can deny the existance of gravity, cant you? Look up what sub-replacement birth level means and what it causes...

You don't get it at all. The white population is growing and continues to grow. You're the one denying gravity. You are relying on predictions when they continue to not come true.

In 2002, 2.1 Million white people died in the US.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr53/nvsr53_05.pdf

At the same, white births in the US 3.2 Million. That means that population growth of white people is obvious due to births in the US and not immigration.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_02.pdf

Also, if you look at the chart on page 35 you'll see that the number of births per 1000 women of birthing age is higher than it was 20 years ago. You'll also notice that it's been fairly stable for the last twenty years. You know what that means. You're wrong. White people aren't in decline. AT ALL. You are looking at statistic that is skewed because of an aging population, but when looiking at women at childbearing age, the rate of women giving live birth has not decreased for twenty years. That means if the population was going to decline it would have done it already.