NationStates Jolt Archive

A friend of mine had sent me this article a couple days ago. I wanted to post it here and see what you think. Now, I remember reading the news this story mentions. It turned out to be bogus but for a few days everyone thought it was real. So the reactions here are the reactions if the news was true. Besides, blonds will probably be extinct IF current trends continue (shrinking white population vs growing world population), given that blond and white genes are the most reccessive genes.

1) Europe's population is obviously declining. Currently the only country in Europe to have a birthrate above replacement level is Albania. There has recently been a huge fuss made in the Guardian about it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,,1766268,00.html

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8804/e02worldpopdistr1jb.gif

2) USA's birth rate is close to replecement (Total fertility rate:2.09 children born/woman (2006 est.)) level but...


White women and non-Hispanic White women had fertility levels significantly below the replacement level, averaging 1.9 and 1.8 births per woman respectively.


http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-548.pdf (page 3)

3) Canada : Total fertility rate: 1.61 children born/woman (2006 est.)
Australia: Total fertility rate: 1.76 children born/woman (2006 est.)
New Zealand: Total fertility rate: 1.79 children born/woman (2006 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

4)Of course there are whites outside Europe, North America, Aus&NZ but majority of whites is in these areas so any gains outside these areas(if any) wont be enough to cover the loss in Europe, etc...

5)So, what does sub-replacement birth level means?

Sub-replacement fertility is a fertility rate that is not high enough to replace an area's population. In industrialized countries with low child mortality, sub-replacement fertility is below approximately 2.1 children per woman's life time. 2.1 children per woman includes 2 children to replace the parents, with one-tenth of a child extra to make up for the mortality of children who do not reach the age of 15, which is the defined age when the fertility rate is calculated.
The two main effects of sub-replacement fertility are population decline and population ageing. Population decline and ageing will occur in any society with sub-replacement fertility that does not see enough immigration to make up for the natural decrease. According to current trends this situation is the future for most of the countries of Europe and East Asia, most of which are reluctant to accept large numbers of immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility

Result: White population declines fast. Period






Yesterday I came across a quite disturbing find. The BBC ran a very short article entitled Blondes 'to Die out in 200 years'. Quite alarming, since we are talking about a diverse and distinct people, not a mere hair color. The Nordic race is the reason why there is diversity in the world. Without them, there would be no gray, blue, green or light brown eyes, nor blonde, red or brown hair. Without Nordics, the world would be about a foot shorter on average and we could forget about those Nordish facial types. And most importantly, we wouldn't be reading this story on line because there would be no telephone lines or electricity. Yet the BBC treated the most significant story of the century (the impending extermination of the White race) as a lighthearted tea party topic. They actually put it in their health section.
Gee, let me think, Where else can we put a genocide story? Not in the world news section, because we are not supposed to notice blondes represent the White race in its purest form. Yet if we were talking about a tribe of 1000 thick-lipped, knappy-headed Africans, there would be a link to the BBC discussion forum and many links to pro-ugaboogaahh foundations, so we altruistic White fools could lend our money and support to preserving them. Yes, their achievements and heritage, rather than the achievements and heritage of the inventors of the plow, the transistor, the airplane, the automobile, modern medicine and just about everything else of major importance to our lives. Contrary to Jewish propaganda, these inventions did not occur because of White skin privilege or the global preference for the physical Nordic type. Nor did they occur because we held non-Whites back. All of these excuses for non-Whites failures are nothing short of wild conspiracy theories. We certainly did not mentally chain up all of the yellows, browns and blacks in the world (from stone age to the present) to prevent them from inventing things. Yet we are asked to repeat this absurd falsity just long enough to allow the guilt mongering Jews and Marxists an opportunity to import tens of millions of third worlders to breed us out of our own living space.
Yet "bottle blondes," rather than interracial mating and low birth rates in industrialized nations is given as the explanation for the genocide of the purest of our race:
The researchers also believe that so-called bottle blondes may be to blame for the demise of their natural rivals. They suggest that dyed-blondes are more attractive to men who choose them as partners over true blondes.
Did you get that? A logical "scientist" actually said it. What did he mean? Nordic men and women don't find each other sexually attractive? That is not what we have been told by the Jews and their mouthpieces in the past, so I am a bit confused on this point. Do men prefer brown or black eyebrows and dyed blonde hair over blonde women with lighter eyebrows? In significant enough numbers to cause the physical annihilation of a distinct people? Nothing about the below replacement birth rate of the blondest countries in Europe? Non-White immigration into White nations coupled with pro-racemixing propaganda from the Jewvision?
If one examines the facts carefully, we'd see that most "bottle blondes" carry the blonde gene, because they are White people and we are such because of the recessive genes which cause blondism. So-called bottle blondes were likely very blonde as children, and usually produce children with light hair and/or eyes. So how can they cause the extermination of their own genes? The only way to exterminate the recessive blonde gene is to mate with non-Whites or those far removed from their genetic Nordic roots. Those telling you it is merely blonde hair 'dying out' are lying, and minimizing the most serious issue that has faced mankind. When blondes go, it is only a short matter of time before the Jews start saying light eyes will be non-existent. By then it will be too late, unless we colonize another planet and figure out a way to keep non-Whites out.
Why Genocide?
The Jews' media would like us to believe that people with recessive genes are not a distinct people with a distinct heritage, to them we are a physical trait. Most of their propaganda in the last 50 years has aimed to convince us that there exists no White race at all. So if we don't exist, how can we fret about being exterminated? And why do I use the words extermination and genocide? Quite simply, because the low White birth rate and massive immigration into our nations has been arranged for and nursed along by Jewish activists, with the help and encouragement of the Jewish media. When conditions are set which will bring about the physical end of a race or people in part or in whole--it qualifies as genocide, according to the United Nations. In 1965, American immigration laws were changed so as to disallow most European immigrants in favor non-Whites. We are now projected to be a minority by 2050 in a nation which was over 90% White just 50 years ago. Not only is immigration killing us, but roughly 10% of our people are mating outside of their race. When we controlled the media, miscegenation would not have been tolerated, nor the mass importation of non-Whites. But with Jews in charge of the mass media and entertainment industry, we are bombarded every day with images of attractive Whites mating with "light" non-Whites so as to promote race suicide. The Jewish environmentalists (Ehrlich, etc..) told us 40 years ago to stop having babies so we'll have a better quality of life. Then the Jewish "civil rights" activists opened our borders. Now the Jewish economists are telling the Jewish politicians (and Gentile lapdogs) we need more immigration, rather than Gentile politicians giving financial incentives to White people who have larger families.
A Fine Example of 'Why'
On a personal note, I took a break from composing this piece to help a family member out with a fence building job. When we arrived on site, I was introduced to a lovely and active German/Dutch-descended lady of 73. As she ran around moving rocks and digging holes, I noted she is indeed of fine European stock. She had some champion Border Collies, two who were trained by a famous Scottish trainer. "Great people produce great dogs" I insisted. We then talked about how much we'd like to someday visit Scotland. She told me how her sons and grandson were coming up every weekend, working their tails off to help her get established in her new home. I have had a really bad month and this clannish behavior was heartening to me.
I should have known better, the end of the month has not yet arrived.
I was then introduced to the nice lady's grandson and granddaughter-in-law. As my luck would have it, I was shaking the hand of a Korean woman. A nice, polite, respectful, educated, helpful young woman. Black eyes and black hair. The husband had sandy blond hair and deep green eyes. Their children will have black hair and black eyes, unless the Korean has a White grandparent. I turned my head in disbelief, thinking of my own brother's line which will be half Filipino. This nice old lady's genes are being killed kindly, I thought, but we are still being killed one family at a time. In my line of work, I see family pictures often. An alarming percentage of them display Asian grand kids and sometimes mulattos. Under White Gentile rule, extermination of the White race would not be socially acceptable. Under Jew rule, it is policy.
We stop at the store on the way home and I encounter a blond acquaintance who lives nearby. I mention the BBC article and she keeps the same expression on her face. Smiling, after I tell her blondes will be extinct in 200 years if current trends continue. I wondered what that expression would have looked like if I had spoken of the impending end of the African Tutsis. A frown, most likely, followed by a question of how she can help.
So this is what it has come to. I, a member of the race who reached the stars, feel like crawling into a hole. I would do just that if I didn't think they'd follow me there too.


Btw, I dont agree with everything she says. Especially 'blaming it all on jews'. But she's got some points...

A friend of mine had sent me this article a couple days ago. I wanted to post it here and see what you think. Now, I remember reading the news this story mentions. It turned out to be bogus but for a few days everyone thought it was real. So the reactions here are the reactions if the news was true. Besides, blonds will probably be extinct IF current trends continue (shrinking white population vs growing world population), given that blond and white genes are the most reccessive genes.



Btw, I dont agree with everything she says. Especially 'blaming it all on jews'. But she's got some points...

Please don't make me go into blonde jokes. You won't like me when I'm into blonde jokes.

Please don't make me go into blonde jokes. You won't like me when I'm into blonde jokes.

I'm blond but I laugh at some blond jokes too...But make a seperate thread if you must, the issue isnt about hair colour here...

So, it's a bunch of racist codswallop based on a lie? Like most racist things, but still.

Oh, and screw the "Nordic" "race." It is clearly inferior if it goes extinct. You'd think someone racist would understand that, but I guess following even their own lack of logic is asking too much out of these Einsteins.

Why are white people so afraid of their kids not looking oh so aryan?

If a kid with one black parent and one white parent is "black" then they are just as equally "white".

Just because the kid doesn't have red hair, green eyes and freckles, doesn't mean that both parents genes aren't represented.

Not to mention, that they aren't going "extinct" and we will not run out of blondes in 200 years. That BBC story was also shown where I live, and it was nothing but codswallop and bad math.

So this is a rant on a rant on a lie.

Just because the kid doesn't have red hair, green eyes and freckles, doesn't mean that both parents genes aren't represented.

DAYWALKER!

*holds burning torch in one hand*

An alarming percentage of them display Asian grand kids and sometimes mulattos.

The horror!

This is a bunch of racist bullshit. Seriously, who cares?

Oh, joy. Angry white female.

the BBC treated the most significant story of the century (the impending extermination of the White race)

a tribe of 1000 thick-lipped, knappy-headed Africans, there would be a link to the BBC discussion forum and many links to pro-ugaboogaahh foundations

Jewish propaganda

All of these excuses for non-Whites failures are nothing short of wild conspiracy theories.

guilt mongering Jews and Marxists an opportunity to import tens of millions of third worlders to breed us out

Jews and their mouthpieces in the past

Non-White immigration into White nations coupled with pro-racemixing propaganda from the Jewvision

When blondes go, it is only a short matter of time before the Jews start saying light eyes will be non-existent

figure out a way to keep non-Whites out.


The Jews' media would like us to believe that people with recessive genes are not a distinct people with a distinct heritage

the low White birth rate and massive immigration into our nations has been arranged for and nursed along by Jewish activists, with the help and encouragement of the Jewish media

Under White Gentile rule, extermination of the White race would not be socially acceptable. Under Jew rule, it is policy.

Smiling, after I tell her blondes will be extinct in 200 years if current trends continue. I wondered what that expression would have looked like if I had spoken of the impending end of the African Tutsis.

Ignorant, hateful racist trash. What a surprise that it was sent by a friend of yours, Ny Nordland. Too bad you don't have the balls to actually admit you DO believe in this tripe.

You think "recessive gene" is a "race?" Well holy shit, what about the RACE of dyslexics! We're being exterminated... by therapy and education! EVIL JEWS! ZOMG TINFOIL HAT!

i didnt read it carefully but its pretty creepy.

i cant bring myself to worry about the "extermination of a race" through voluntary outbreeding. if the "nordic race" decides that they prefer nonnordics to nordics what is there to do about it? forced breeding programs to protect blond hair and blue eyes?

"ohmygod certain superficial physical characteristics might cease to exist" just isnt that big a deal to me.

So...the blonde genetic trait will one day be cycled out of the human genome...? Humanity moves on.

So, it's a bunch of racist codswallop based on a lie? Like most racist things, but still.

Oh, and screw the "Nordic" "race." It is clearly inferior if it goes extinct. You'd think someone racist would understand that, but I guess following even their own lack of logic is asking too much out of these Einsteins.

Are you a real swede or some immigrant in Sweden??? The issue is not about superiority/inferiority here, it's cultural. Muslims dont out-breed us because they got superior genes, but because they usually opress their women and force them to stay home and not get jobs so she can raise many children...

Why are white people so afraid of their kids not looking oh so aryan?

If a kid with one black parent and one white parent is "black" then they are just as equally "white".

Just because the kid doesn't have red hair, green eyes and freckles, doesn't mean that both parents genes aren't represented.

White genes are represented but they are repressed. It's because white genes are the most reccessive/least dominant.

Are you a real swede or some immigrant in Sweden??? The issue is not about superiority/inferiority here, it's cultural. Muslims dont out-breed us because they got superior genes, but because they usually opress their women and force them to stay home and not get jobs so she can raise many children...

Are you a real Nazi? Or do you just masturbate to posters of Adolph Hitler while reading Mein Kampf in your free hand?

Are you a real swede or some immigrant in Sweden??? The issue is not about superiority/inferiority here, it's cultural. Muslims dont out-breed us because they got superior genes, but because they usually opress their women and force them to stay home and not get jobs so she can raise many children...

*passes out on keyboard*

Muslims dont out-breed us because they got superior genes, but because they usually opress their women and force them to stay home and not get jobs so she can raise many children...

coughcoughCatholicscoughcough

coughcoughMormonscoughcough.

Are you a real swede or some immigrant in Sweden??? The issue is not about superiority/inferiority here, it's cultural. Muslims dont out-breed us because they got superior genes, but because they usually opress their women and force them to stay home and not get jobs so she can raise many children...
culture isnt held in your hair color or eye color.

culture changes over time. the culture of scandinavia was quite different 500 years ago eh?

A friend of mine had sent me this article a couple days ago. I wanted to post it here and see what you think. Now, I remember reading the news this story mentions. It turned out to be bogus but for a few days everyone thought it was real. So the reactions here are the reactions if the news was true. Besides, blonds will probably be extinct IF current trends continue (shrinking white population vs growing world population), given that blond and white genes are the most reccessive genes.



Btw, I dont agree with everything she says. Especially 'blaming it all on jews'. But she's got some points...

I agree not to follow her into the hole. In fact, I think if you did a poll here, you would get almost universal agreement. I encourage her to do it.

What do you expect people to say when you post such racist propaganda, NY? You complain that people keep suggesting you're a racist but you constantly promote racism. It has no point. Link to a actual study that deals with the issue and we'll discuss it. No one is going to tell you that the wildly racist tripe this girl wrote is reasonable except other racists.

Oh, joy. Angry white female.

Ignorant, hateful racist trash. What a surprise that it was sent by a friend of yours, Ny Nordland. Too bad you don't have the balls to actually admit you DO believe in this tripe.

You think "recessive gene" is a "race?" Well holy shit, what about the RACE of dyslexics! We're being exterminated... by therapy and education! EVIL JEWS! ZOMG TINFOIL HAT!

Read white when it says blond then. It applies...

coughcoughCatholicscoughcough

coughcoughMormonscoughcough.

coughcoughcoughcoughHACK!

...Sorry...But there are better ways at showing subtlety, like sarcasm.

Read white when it says blond then. It applies...

Blond and white are not equal. I'm not more white than my sister because I have blond hair and she has brown.

Are you a real swede or some immigrant in Sweden??? The issue is not about superiority/inferiority here, it's cultural. Muslims dont out-breed us because they got superior genes, but because they usually opress their women and force them to stay home and not get jobs so she can raise many children...

Something not quite right here... maybe you agree with that angry article? :eek:

coughcoughcoughcoughHACK!

...Sorry...But there are better ways at showing subtlety, like sarcasm.

You win this round Bolol. But I'll be back....

*glares*

Read white when it says blond then. It applies...

No, it really doesn't. You're not being "out-bred" and under "invasion" by "non-Whites" as part of a "Jewish" (or their "mouthpieces") agenda to commit "genocide." The more you whine about it, the more you look like a nazi, only a nazi too chickenshit to goose-step in public.

Are you a real Nazi? Or do you just masturbate to posters of Adolph Hitler while reading Mein Kampf in your free hand?
Good one.
You know, there's a flipping off smiley and a thumbs downbarfing smiley, but there's no thumbs up smiley, which would be perfect for this post.

I agree not to follow her into the hole. In fact, I think if you did a poll here, you would get almost universal agreement. I encourage her to do it.

What do you expect people to say when you post such racist propaganda, NY? You complain that people keep suggesting you're a racist but you constantly promote racism. It has no point. Link to a actual study that deals with the issue and we'll discuss it. No one is going to tell you that the wildly racist tripe this girl wrote is reasonable except other racists.


I'm lazy, I dont like writing long posts or searching net. Besides people's opinions are very hard to change...Is it racist to acknowlege whites are getting a VERY small minority, almost to the point of extinction?

Exterminate the gingers!

White genes are represented but they are repressed. It's because white genes are the most reccessive/least dominant.

So your problem is that this 'race' isn't willing to keep away from people of another race? What your friend misses is that no one would care if there was an article that said that the 'thick-lipped, knappy-headed Africans' were chosing multi-cultural partners and thus breeding out the pure 'thick-lipped, knappy-headed Africans'. No one worries about voluntary integration. What would you have people do? Outlaw interracial pairings? Forced breeding?

Comparing multi-culturalism to genocide is so preposterous it's hard to believe you're not trolling.

.Is it racist to acknowlege whites are getting a VERY small minority, almost to the point of extinction?

Oh good god.....

coughcoughCatholicscoughcough

coughcoughMormonscoughcough.

Catholic? OMG, look at the birth rates of spain and italy. If mormons were immigrating to Europe in masses, I'd include them too...

I'm lazy, I dont like writing long posts or searching net. Besides people's opinions are very hard to change...Is it racist to acknowlege whites are getting a VERY small minority, almost to the point of extinction?

1) Whites are heading for "extinction" any time soon

2) Who cares if we are?

OH no! help us! blonde people will no longer exist through the process of natural selection.....GENOCIDE!!!!:rolleyes:

I'm lazy, I dont like writing long posts or searching net. Besides people's opinions are very hard to change...Is it racist to acknowlege whites are getting a VERY small minority, almost to the point of extinction?
Racist or not, it's false. White people are no where near extinction. That's just stupid. There's at least 180 million or so right here in the US.

Catholic? OMG, look at the birth rates of spain and italy. If mormons were immigrating to Europe in masses, I'd include them too...

Look at twee little Ireland back in the heady days of the 1950's and 1960's, firmly under the screw of the Catholic Church.

Bred like bunnies we did.

*nods sagely*

Is it racist to acknowlege whites are getting a VERY small minority, almost to the point of extinction?
Yeah, plus it's pretty fucking stupid.

I'm lazy, I dont like writing long posts or searching net. Besides people's opinions are very hard to change...Is it racist to acknowlege whites are getting a VERY small minority, almost to the point of extinction?

It's not extinction. Whites are evolving. We're not being murdered off the planet. We are interbreeding to create better whites. And maybe you might claim they aren't better but to natural selection they must be or white people would be increasing. That's how it works. Whites aren't being murdered. There's no genocide. Whites are simply choosing partners that make them 'impure' in your opinion. The fact is that you are welcome to your opinion and to excercise it in choosing a mate. We will continue to happily choose mates based on someone we think will make us happiest and/or help us raise the best children and you can choose them based on superficial traits. Everyone is happy. YAY!

White genes are represented but they are repressed. It's because white genes are the most reccessive/least dominant.

http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=57

Read that.

It's unlikely blue and green eyes will vanish, even if European people absorb substantially more immigrants.

Am I the only one who thinks xenophobia and nativism has become the oldest thing since Strom Thurmond?

I'm lazy, I dont like writing long posts or searching net. Besides people's opinions are very hard to change...Is it racist to acknowlege whites are getting a VERY small minority, almost to the point of extinction?

The minority is more due to a massive increase in population in LEDCs rather than the white population plummeting. Just wait till they get to stage 4 of demographic transition and things'll probably even out more. I think.

Are you a real Nazi? Or do you just masturbate to posters of Adolph Hitler while reading Mein Kampf in your free hand?

I've never read it actually. And hitler isnt my type. Oh I'm not a nazi neither...

Good one.
You know, there's a flipping off smiley and a thumbs downbarfing smiley, but there's no thumbs up smiley, which would be perfect for this post.

Oh, the universe is about to re-collapse back to the primordial ylem - The Nazz and I agree on something, lol.

Look at twee little Ireland back in the heady days of the 1950's and 1960's, firmly under the screw of the Catholic Church.

Bred like bunnies we did.

*nods sagely*

Whenever bunnies are mentioned Xisla hops into view.

Racist or not, it's false. White people are no where near extinction. That's just stupid. There's at least 180 million or so right here in the US.

But they aren't pure. If they aren't blond they aren't white, duh. My sister is less than white than me, obviously. /sarcasm

Whites and blondes seem to be pretty safe. These "studies" have been around for over a century. It is nothing more than an urban legend (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/blondes.asp).

Blond and white are not equal. I'm not more white than my sister because I have blond hair and she has brown.

No I mean like "whites becomming extinct" instead of "blonds becoming extinct". Dont you think it's stupid that BBC put this news into health section even though they thought it was true?

I got dark brown hair, does it means I'm non-white or what?

It's not extinction. Whites are evolving. We're not being murdered off the planet. We are interbreeding to create better whites. And maybe you might claim they aren't better but to natural selection they must be or white people would be increasing. That's how it works. Whites aren't being murdered. There's no genocide. Whites are simply choosing partners that make them 'impure' in your opinion. The fact is that you are welcome to your opinion and to excercise it in choosing a mate. We will continue to happily choose mates based on someone we think will make us happiest and/or help us raise the best children and you can choose them based on superficial traits. Everyone is happy. YAY!

I've decided the only girl to breed with for me is my friend who immigrated from South Africa, of Dutch, Irish, Zulu and Chinese decent.

Our kid's gonna be a little of everything, but mostly hot. :D

But they aren't pure. If they aren't blond they aren't white, duh. My sister is less than white than me, obviously. /sarcasm

Undoubtably. The "white race" hasn't been "pure" in a long time...as has every other "race" on this planet.

Do these people even know that "race" doesn't even exist on a genetic level?

I've decided the only girl to breed with for me is my friend who immigrated from South Africa, of Dutch, Irish, Zulu and Chinese decent.

Our kid's gonna be a little of everything, but mostly hot. :D

Does she look like Kristin Kreuk? You lucky bitch.

Are you a real swede or some immigrant in Sweden???

Most "real" Swedes aren't racist idiots (at least, that's what I'd like to think). Seeing as I'm not a racist idiot, odds should tell you there's a high probability I am a "real" Swede.

Though, what a "real" Swede is, is of course something only xenophobes and racists care about. My friend Mohammed is as much a Swede as is my friend Annika in my eyes.

The issue is not about superiority/inferiority here, it's cultural. Muslims dont out-breed us because they got superior genes, but because they usually opress their women and force them to stay home and not get jobs so she can raise many children...

When one thinks you can't say stupider things, you manage to prove one wrong.

Are you a real swede or some immigrant in Sweden??? The issue is not about superiority/inferiority here, it's cultural. Muslims dont out-breed us because they got superior genes, but because they usually opress their women and force them to stay home and not get jobs so she can raise many children...
I'm sorry I may be showing my ignorance here but isn't being Muslim a question of religion not race?

No, it really doesn't. You're not being "out-bred" and under "invasion" by "non-Whites" as part of a "Jewish" (or their "mouthpieces") agenda to commit "genocide." The more you whine about it, the more you look like a nazi, only a nazi too chickenshit to goose-step in public.

Whites are becoming a VERY SMALL minority, almost to the point of extinction. You cant deny that. I dont think it's a Jewish Agenda though...

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/6071/e02worldpopdistr2eg.gif


http://www.prb.org/Content/NavigationMenu/PRB/Educators/Human_Population/Population_Growth/Population_Growth.htm

I'm sorry I may be showing my ignorance here but isn't being Muslim a question of religion not race?

As I said, even these Einsteins have troubles following their own lack of logic.

No I mean like "whites becomming extinct" instead of "blonds becoming extinct". Dont you think it's stupid that BBC put this news into health section even though they thought it was true?

They were talking about blonds not appearing much anymore. No, I don't think it's inappropriate to put it in the health section. Who cares? It's a sign the human race is evolving. Unless it's an inherently beneficial trait, I could care less if it disappears. I would not care if I was the last blond on the planet. I am certainly the last blond in my family. Both of my parents have dark hair.

So your problem is that this 'race' isn't willing to keep away from people of another race? What your friend misses is that no one would care if there was an article that said that the 'thick-lipped, knappy-headed Africans' were chosing multi-cultural partners and thus breeding out the pure 'thick-lipped, knappy-headed Africans'. No one worries about voluntary integration. What would you have people do? Outlaw interracial pairings? Forced breeding?

Comparing multi-culturalism to genocide is so preposterous it's hard to believe you're not trolling.

You know what I defend. Strong anti-immigration laws at least in some countries...

Whites are becoming a VERY SMALL minority, almost to the point of extinction. You cant deny that. I dont think it's a Jewish Agenda though...

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/6071/e02worldpopdistr2eg.gif


http://www.prb.org/Content/NavigationMenu/PRB/Educators/Human_Population/Population_Growth/Population_Growth.htm

Don't see "whites" mentioned in those charts.

1) Whites are heading for "extinction" any time soon

2) Who cares if we are?

I care about it enough to take 30 minutes and debate it here...

No I mean like "whites becomming extinct" instead of "blonds becoming extinct". Dont you think it's stupid that BBC put this news into health section even though they thought it was true?

No, why would I? Its one of those peices of news that is so irrelevant that it really can only fit into the health section because there is no where else to put it.
Skin colour is no big deal and if you are worried about losing all your "cultural" heritage, you do know that being non-white wont warp their minds, right. Please tell me you don't.....

Whites are becoming a VERY SMALL minority, almost to the point of extinction. You cant deny that.

Again, if that were the case, why should be care?

I care about it enough to take 30 minutes and debate it here...

Why?

Don't see "whites" mentioned in those charts.

Yeah right, they are immigrating to asia in masses....

Again, if that were the case, why should be care?

It's personal opinion. I give the info, it's up to you to care or not...

You know what I defend. Strong anti-immigration laws at least in some countries...
Hmm.

I'm half-Korean. The other half is a mix of white, black, and who knows what else.

My kids are even more mixed than I am.

So, are we white? Korean? Black? What?

I speak English daily, but I also speak German, French, Spanish. I can read and write Hebrew and Aramaic (in addition to the previously mentioned languages), and can speak Ivrit. I am a Pentacostal Christian and a swinger. I vote Republican most of the time, but I have voted for Democrats before, especially in local elections.

So, tell me what I am supposed to be.

Could it be, a contender for the long-empty throne of CommunistMississippi?

Whites are becoming a VERY SMALL minority, almost to the point of extinction. You cant deny that. I dont think it's a Jewish Agenda though...

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/6071/e02worldpopdistr2eg.gif


http://www.prb.org/Content/NavigationMenu/PRB/Educators/Human_Population/Population_Growth/Population_Growth.htm

Small minority =/= near extinction, especially with such a large population. Both of these graphs do not show a massive decrease in the caucasian population, but an increase in population of non-caucasians.

Yeah right, they are immigrating to asia in masses....

No, based on your data they are immigrating to Africa. :D

http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=57

Read that.

It's unlikely blue and green eyes will vanish, even if European people absorb substantially more immigrants.

Yeah but thousands of true blonds out of billions of humans in 2400 is extinction to me...

So, tell me what I am supposed to be.

The thing with "Nordic" racists and xenophobes is that they see the "melting pot" as a horror and a fully Scandino-centric. You regaling him with US-centric examples of such is not going to garner a fruitful answer. Not that anything would in their case...

Does she look like Kristin Kreuk? You lucky bitch.

Brown nappy hair, green eyes, ghetto booty, eye folds, freckles...

Soooo pretty. *pines* :fluffle:

Whites are becoming a VERY SMALL minority, almost to the point of extinction. You cant deny that.

Yes, you can.

Let's take two 'white' nations. The UK and the US.

UK:
* White 92.1%
* Black 2%
* Indian 1.8%
* Pakistani 1.3%
* Mixed 1.2%
* Other 1.6%
(source:CIA World Factbook (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html))

I wasn't aware that 92.1% was a "very small minority".

US:
* White 81.7%
* Black 12.9%
* Asian 4.2%
* Amerindian and Alaska native 1%
* Native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.2%
(source:CIA World Factbook (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html))

I wasn't aware that 81.7% was a "very small minority".

Undoubtably. The "white race" hasn't been "pure" in a long time...as has every other "race" on this planet.

Do these people even know that "race" doesn't even exist on a genetic level?

Is that the result of years of your research and agreement of scientific community? :rolleyes:

Small minority =/= near extinction, especially with such a large population. Both of these graphs do not show a massive decrease in the caucasian population, but an increase in population of non-caucasians.

I agree. The entire human species is hypothesized to have resulted from a small gene pool of like 2000 families anyway. It is inconceivable that million-sized populations can go extinct. Save a direct asteroid hit.

Anyway if one wishes to increase the population in the specific region of the world, one would encourage immigration or increased birth-rate. Or both.

The problem with this entire thread is that it's garbage based on garbage based on garbage, all the way back to a logical idea that's been totally blown out of proportion. The concept of "blonde extinction" actually dates back to an 1865 article (see link below), which is equally specious. The fact of the matter is that blondes, along with the "white race", probably will disappear for the most part - in a few hundred years. But it's okay, since they'll take redheads along with them, as well as black, yellow, red and just about every other skin colour under the sun, with the exception of some shade of beige. With globalization, the intermarrying of various ethnic groups and the general mixing of human DNA that happens on a daily basis, we'll all end up with brown or black hair and a sort of mulatto-meets-Mediterranean skin colour.

Mind you, then we'll probably have people arguing the purity of the tan race, or beige vs. taupe.

Snopes article on "blonde extinction." (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/blondes.asp)

Yeah but thousands of true blonds out of billions of humans in 2400 is extinction to me...

Well that's nice, you'll be extinct long before then, don't worry about it. It might be more then blond humans extinct by then.

Most "real" Swedes aren't racist idiots (at least, that's what I'd like to think). Seeing as I'm not a racist idiot, odds should tell you there's a high probability I am a "real" Swede.

Though, what a "real" Swede is, is of course something only xenophobes and racists care about. My friend Mohammed is as much a Swede as is my friend Annika in my eyes.



When one thinks you can't say stupider things, you manage to prove one wrong.

Yet you never answer back. You just say it's stupid. You are very dogmatic actually...

The thing with "Nordic" racists and xenophobes is that they see the "melting pot" as a horror and a fully Scandino-centric. You regaling him with US-centric examples of such is not going to garner a fruitful answer. Not that anything would in their case...

So he's just railing against the unspeakable horror of heathen brown people mixing in with the "pure" Nordic race?

And he expects people to take him seriously?

Seriously, Ny Nordland, does race matter that much to you? You claim it's culture, but I'm willing to bet the Scandinavia of 50 years ago was much different from the Scandinavia of today. And in 50 years it'll be even more different. The world moves on.

As I said, even these Einsteins have troubles following their own lack of logic.

OR you simply cannot comprehend or dont want to...

So, tell me what I am supposed to be.

A gaddamned ******! :D
I don't know I find that so funny.

Brown nappy hair, green eyes, ghetto booty, eye folds, freckles...

Soooo pretty. *pines* :fluffle:

Rub it in, jock! :rolleyes:

Yet you never answer back. You just say it's stupid. You are very dogmatic actually...

In the case of racism I am indeed. Proudly so. Racism is stupid. Dumt i huvudet, as we would say.

OR you simply cannot comprehend or dont want to...

One does not comprehend the stupid, for comprehending the stupid - having it make any sort of rational sense - makes one stupid.

Small minority =/= near extinction, especially with such a large population. Both of these graphs do not show a massive decrease in the caucasian population, but an increase in population of non-caucasians.

But "white countries" shown in the graph already includes lots of non-whites, which keep coming and breeding at a faster rate...

But "white countries" shown in the graph already includes lots of non-whites, which keep coming and breeding at a faster rate...
Ain't evolution a bitch.

One does not comprehend the stupid, for comprehending the stupid - having it make any sort of rational sense - makes one stupid.

You are stupid yourself if you think only you can decide what is rational and not.

But "white countries" shown in the graph already includes lots of non-whites, which keep coming and breeding at a faster rate...

So? You still don't understand that we don't care?

Ain't evolution a bitch.

So muslims evolve by forcing their women to stay home and look after their children and hence their high birthrate?

You are stupid yourself if you think only you can decide what is rational and not.

Bitching about skin colour and hair colour and "race" is irrational. Stupid, too.

So muslims evolve by forcing their women to stay home and look after their children and hence their high birthrate?

What has being Muslim got to do with anything? Nothing thats what.

Evolution my child.

Its natural.

Suck it up.

So? You still don't understand that we don't care?

I'm not forcing you neither to write in nor read this thread...

But "white countries" shown in the graph already includes lots of non-whites, which keep coming and breeding at a faster rate...

Just make more babies my friend. It's easier than a first rate post I tell 'ya. :D

So muslims evolve by forcing their women to stay home and look after their children and hence their high birthrate?

And "Nordic" people get smarter for saying stupidly xenophobic things?

So muslims evolve by forcing their women to stay home and look after their children and hence their high birthrate?

Muslim isn't a race. You could be a white Muslim, and there are. Oops, there goes your "Muslims R teh outbreeding Whites" theory out the window.

And how do you, as a white man, evolve? By not getting laid, that's how. You don't get laid, you don't have kids, then you WHINE when other cultures DO. You think it's an actual INVASION when other people FUCK more than you do. Well, who's tying you down and preventing you from becoming a father? No one. Certainly not "Non-Whites."

So quit your bitchin.

I'm not forcing you neither to write in nor read this thread...

You keep repeating this "waah, they're breeding faster than us" and people keep telling you, nobody fucking cares. Even a racist such as yourself should start getting the hint that repeating what has already been declared irrelevant doesn't make it relevant.

So, Ny Nordland? If white people are the master race, then they wouldn't be dying out, now would they? Sorry, but it just doesn't wash. Genetic superiority is determined by survival, not subjective standards of greatness, beauty, etc. If other races outbreed white people, then white people simply aren't favored by evolution. I suggest you read a bit about evolution before proclaiming that the race with the best genes is on the verge of extinction.

Personally, I consider the notion of race to be rather outdated and inaccurate. I also don't find blonde hair all that attractive, anyway.

Yes, you can.

Let's take two 'white' nations. The UK and the US.

UK:
* White 92.1%
* Black 2%
* Indian 1.8%
* Pakistani 1.3%
* Mixed 1.2%
* Other 1.6%
(source:CIA World Factbook (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html))

I wasn't aware that 92.1% was a "very small minority".

US:
* White 81.7%
* Black 12.9%
* Asian 4.2%
* Amerindian and Alaska native 1%
* Native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.2%
(source:CIA World Factbook (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html))

I wasn't aware that 81.7% was a "very small minority".

No response, Ny Nordland?

Whites are becoming a VERY SMALL minority, almost to the point of extinction. You cant deny that. I dont think it's a Jewish Agenda though...

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/6071/e02worldpopdistr2eg.gif


http://www.prb.org/Content/NavigationMenu/PRB/Educators/Human_Population/Population_Growth/Population_Growth.htm

You're not showing extinction. You are showing that they are becoming a lower percentage of a growing population. It is not the same thing. There are 226 million whites in the US and growing.

http://www.census.gov/popest/archives/1990s/nat-srh.txt

You assume that the only white people are in Europe. The fact is this is untrue. Regardless, you've shown nothing that suggests that white people are 'almost to the point of extinction'.

But "white countries" shown in the graph already includes lots of non-whites, which keep coming and breeding at a faster rate...

More non-whites doesn't mean less whites, but I'd like some statistics to support the idea that a lot of white counties include lots of non whites (by which I assume you mean a high proportion of non-whites). In the U.K. for example, the proportion of asians and afro-carribeans is greatly exaggerated by the media (i.e. The Sun), but the actual figures show the proportion to be much lower than implied (around 2% black, 2.1% asian)http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html
By asian I mean the subcontinent area by the way - sorry if it's an inaccurate term.

How interesting that Ny Nordland has a Nazi for a friend.:rolleyes:

The minority is more due to a massive increase in population in LEDCs rather than the white population plummeting. Just wait till they get to stage 4 of demographic transition and things'll probably even out more. I think.
They won't get to whatever "stage 4" means.

You're not showing extinction. You are showing that they are becoming a lower percentage of a growing population. It is not the same thing. There are 226 million whites in the US and growing.

http://www.census.gov/popest/archives/1990s/nat-srh.txt

You assume that the only white people are in Europe. The fact is this is untrue. Regardless, you've shown nothing that suggests that white people are 'almost to the point of extinction'.

He also seems to for some reason think that "Muslim" is a race, and that white people can't be Muslims.

They won't get to whatever "stage 4" means.
Low birth rate, low death rate, fluctuating population.

Where most/all western nations are now. Some may even be entering stage 5 (lower birth rate than death rate)

You know what I defend. Strong anti-immigration laws at least in some countries...

It doesn't change anything. People are still going to breed like they are. You make TONS of statistical mistakes. White people are not ONLY in Europe. Strike one. Europe is still predominantly white. So is the US and Canada. Strike two. A decline in percentage is not a decline in total numbers. Strike three.

I discussed with the others and tried to get you more strikes because you're just starting to learn how this whole statistics thing works, but they declined. Sorry, you're out.

The silence deafens.

I think Ny Nordland is soundly whopped.

They won't get to whatever "stage 4" means.

Either stage 4 or a population collapse when it becomes impossible to support them. Either way the population eventually becomes more stable. I just hope it is stage 4 though - much less mass death.

But "white countries" shown in the graph already includes lots of non-whites, which keep coming and breeding at a faster rate...

There are white people in non-white countries. You ignore this. And I know of NO 'white' country where whites are in the minority and many where whites are in the OVERWHELMING majority. This has been shown to you time and again but you ignore all data contrary to your claims.

You keep repeating this "waah, they're breeding faster than us" and people keep telling you, nobody fucking cares. Even a racist such as yourself should start getting the hint that repeating what has already been declared irrelevant doesn't make it relevant.

Then why do you write 10 posts to my thread? You've got nothing better to do but to answer what you dont care and/or what you think is irrevelant? You can simply mind your own bussiness and keep your racist taboos and dogmas to yourself...

Is that the result of years of your research and agreement of scientific community? :rolleyes:

I love when you claim people are ignorant while admitting that you are unwilling to do any of the work required to better understand this topic. Every time someone suggests you become better educated on the topic you claim this isn't a university course or that you're lazy. You are trying to spread racism and xenophobia and you're doing all the while that your position is based on ignorance. Shall I quote you?

Then why do you write 10 posts to my thread? You've got nothing better to do but to answer what you dont care and/or what you think is irrevelant? You can simply mind your own bussiness and keep your racist taboos and dogmas to yourself...

Or he can come here and make sure he's heard saying that most nordic people do not ascribe to the racist claims that white people need to stay pure and such tripe.

No response, Ny Nordland?

Very small minority on a global level. And those percentages will go down as they receive more immigrants, and uk's birth rate is below replacement(dunno about USA) and non-white birth rates are higher...

Then why do you write 10 posts to my thread? You've got nothing better to do but to answer what you dont care and/or what you think is irrevelant? You can simply mind your own bussiness and keep your racist taboos and dogmas to yourself...

Or, you know, I can speak my mind, and contradict your tripe at every possible moment. That's the way one deals with your racist ilk - not through silence, but by never, ever yielding a centimetre to you in the public debate.

I love when you claim people are ignorant while admitting that you are unwilling to do any of the work required to better understand this topic. Every time someone suggests you become better educated on the topic you claim this isn't a university course or that you're lazy. You are trying to spread racism and xenophobia and you're doing all the while that your position is based on ignorance. Shall I quote you?

Was the world population picture I gave you ignorance?

The problem with this entire thread is that it's garbage based on garbage based on garbage, all the way back to a logical idea that's been totally blown out of proportion. The concept of "blonde extinction" actually dates back to an 1865 article (see link below), which is equally specious. The fact of the matter is that blondes, along with the "white race", probably will disappear for the most part - in a few hundred years. But it's okay, since they'll take redheads along with them, as well as black, yellow, red and just about every other skin colour under the sun, with the exception of some shade of beige. With globalization, the intermarrying of various ethnic groups and the general mixing of human DNA that happens on a daily basis, we'll all end up with brown or black hair and a sort of mulatto-meets-Mediterranean skin colour.

Mind you, then we'll probably have people arguing the purity of the tan race, or beige vs. taupe.

Snopes article on "blonde extinction." (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/blondes.asp)

Once again, this needs to be trotted out. It was not replied to and shows your 'study' by the WHO does not exist. Blondes are not becoming extinct. Neither are white people. And I challenge you, Nordland, to bring out any reputable study that shows otherwise.

Or, you know, I can speak my mind, and countradict your tripe at every possible moment. That's the way one deals with your racist ilk - not through silence, but by never, ever yielding a centimetre to you in the public debate.

Dogmatic and agressive, you'd make a fine religious zealot..

Dogmatic and agressive, you'd make a fine religious zealot..

I'm a proud anti-racist zealot. As should we all be. :)

Either stage 4 or a population collapse when it becomes impossible to support them. Either way the population eventually becomes more stable. I just hope it is stage 4 though - much less mass death.
They won't. There will be a collapse.
http://www.energybulletin.net/image/primer/discovery_gap.gif
http://www.energybulletin.net/image/primer/aspo_oil_and_gas.png

"You're not going to run Walt Disney World and the interstate highway system on ethanol or hemp! Or biodiesel! Or hydrogen! Or solar power, or all of them together," booms the man at the podium in the conservative khaki suit. "That isn't going to happen!" he continues in a staccato blast of invective. "We are going to have to make other ar-range-ments for how we live!"

"We are going to have tremendous problems!" Kunstler is shouting. The crowd sits erect, at attention, looking somewhat wan. Without cheap crude, Kunstler declares, the earth can't support six billion people, and so a lot of us aren't going to make it. Modern-day agriculture, with its gas-guzzling infrastructure and natural-gas-based fertilizers, will collapse and be replaced by enraged waves of citizens forced into hardscrabble lives of subsistence farming. "The long emergency is going to make a new, large group of losers," says Kunstler, holding his fingers up in the shape of a capital L. "And they will be very angry about that!"

Was the world population picture I gave you ignorance?

It doesn't speak to the point. Europeans are declining in percentage. They aren't the only white people in the world. White people are still the vast majority on two continents. Your 'evidence' does not actually support your claim.

Ignorance is not just a problem of having no evidence. It's a problem of not actually analyzing the available evidence to come to a conclusion. Instead you started with a conclusion and take anything you think MIGHT support it and reject anything that debunks it.

For example, you never touched the snopes article that shows the study this thread is based on DOES NOT EXIST. Of course, you could have discovered that with a bit of effort but you prefer that you pretend like the MYTH is true because it supports your point. That's the definition of ignorance.

Ny, you are boring and neither are going to make any friends nor convince anyone of your racist, "white culture" supremacist viewpoint. So why dont you just shut up and leave for more fertile grounds like Stormfront?

They won't. There will be a collapse.
http://www.energybulletin.net/image/primer/discovery_gap.gif
http://www.energybulletin.net/image/primer/aspo_oil_and_gas.png

Bugger :(
On the other hand oil isn't necessary for demographic transition.

I'm lazy, I dont like writing long posts or searching net.

I'll quote this again for significance. You admit that you are unwilling to do the work it takes to become educated on the subject because you're lazy. So you come here and people offer you evidence that your 'article' is not just false but based on a made-up study that never happened. You ignore it. Completely. You don't come here to discuss but to simply spew propaganda. You refuse to educate yourself. Everything you post is about how white people are under assault (the 'pure' ones anyway).

What do you want from people? They are going to be dogmatic when every bit of evidence is on their side and NONE is on your side.

Bugger :(
On the other hand oil isn't necessary for demographic transition.
If you mean for industrialization, can you tell me who has done it without oil? More to teh point, can you please tell China and India how to do it without oil?

Then why do you write 10 posts to my thread? You've got nothing better to do but to answer what you dont care and/or what you think is irrevelant? You can simply mind your own bussiness and keep your racist taboos and dogmas to yourself...
This is the funniest post in the thread so far -- you calling somebody else a racist! Precious!! :D

Say, NY, did you know that, according to the Human Genome Project, 1 out every 200 males on the entire planet, of all races and from all regions, have DNA from Ghenghis Khan? Have you gotten a DNA test for yourself? You never know -- you might be arguing for the wrong group.

Also, according to the Human Genome Project, there are tall, blond, blue-eyed Mongolians, direct descendants of the ancient Sarmatians and other "amazon" tribes who, according to Herodotus, migrated into Asia from Eastern Europe. Nowadays, distinct and obvious blonds pop up spontaneously in regular Asian-looking Mongolian families. I saw an documentary about it last year -- researchers found a blonde 11-year-old girl who looked completely different from the rest of her family and confirmed that she contained the DNA of a 7000-year-old female mummy from a burial mound in Kyrgyzstan -- direct family connection. This implies that blondism is not becoming extinct at all.

Also, did you know that the aborginal people of Australia are born blond and blue-eyed and they darken as they grow into childhood, just like many dark-haired Europeans/Americans. Guess they must be white like us, huh?

Well, I'd be glad to get my blonde-haired, blue-eyed GF to do her part towards the continuation of the "race". However, since I'm brown-haired, brown-eyed, there's a better than even chance it wouldn't work.

Very small minority on a global level. And those percentages will go down as they receive more immigrants, and uk's birth rate is below replacement(dunno about USA) and non-white birth rates are higher...
This "tiny minority" of yours keeps getting bigger and bigger and displayed against bigger and bigger backdrops. If you keep this up, you'll soon be telling us that, by the year 3000, it will be hard to find a blond Swede out of the galactic sea of Star Trek critters.

It doesn't speak to the point. Europeans are declining in percentage. They aren't the only white people in the world. White people are still the vast majority on two continents. Your 'evidence' does not actually support your claim.

Ignorance is not just a problem of having no evidence. It's a problem of not actually analyzing the available evidence to come to a conclusion. Instead you started with a conclusion and take anything you think MIGHT support it and reject anything that debunks it.

For example, you never touched the snopes article that shows the study this thread is based on DOES NOT EXIST. Of course, you could have discovered that with a bit of effort but you prefer that you pretend like the MYTH is true because it supports your point. That's the definition of ignorance.

Read what I wrote in my first post again, regarding your claims in your last paragraph.
Europeans are declining in percentage and so does other whites and IF current trends continue they'll be a VERY SMALL minority on GLOBAL level, to the point of extinction...
For ex: Europes population in 1900 was 25% of world population, it was 12% in 2000. It is predicted (with lots of non white immigration), it'll be 7% in 2050. What percentage will it be in 2150? How many of them will be white??
I dont know, but it looks like it'd be VERY SMALL. I think these conclusions are obvious so I didnt feel the need to write them in a long way. Especially when you even didnt read my first post and still make funny claims...

Ny, you are boring and neither are going to make any friends nor convince anyone of your racist, "white culture" supremacist viewpoint. So why dont you just shut up and leave for more fertile grounds like Stormfront?

When you talk about whites, why do they give "white supremecist" free with it? :rolleyes:

The thing with "Nordic" racists and xenophobes is that they see the "melting pot" as a horror and a fully Scandino-centric. You regaling him with US-centric examples of such is not going to garner a fruitful answer. Not that anything would in their case...
I've met plenty of "melted" people in Europe.

I understand hearing the crap from people like my daughter's grandfather in Austria, who refers to us as "mongrels", but hearing this from someone young is just mind-boggling.

Fass, are there many people like this in Scandinavia in general, or are they a minority of idiots?

I'll quote this again for significance. You admit that you are unwilling to do the work it takes to become educated on the subject because you're lazy. So you come here and people offer you evidence that your 'article' is not just false but based on a made-up study that never happened. You ignore it. Completely. You don't come here to discuss but to simply spew propaganda. You refuse to educate yourself. Everything you post is about how white people are under assault (the 'pure' ones anyway).

What do you want from people? They are going to be dogmatic when every bit of evidence is on their side and NONE is on your side.

I knew it was bogus. I explained in my first post. I expect you to admit you are wrong at least once. You are too stubborn...

Read what I wrote in my first post again, regarding your claims in your last paragraph.
Europeans are declining in percentage and so does other whites and IF current trends continue they'll be a VERY SMALL minority on GLOBAL level, to the point of extinction...
For ex: Europes population in 1900 was 25% of world population, it was 12% in 2000. It is predicted (with lots of non white immigration), it'll be 7% in 2050. What percentage will it be in 2150? How many of them will be white??
I dont know, but it looks like it'd be VERY SMALL. I think these conclusions are obvious so I didnt feel the need to write them in a long way. Especially when you even didnt read my first post and still make funny claims...Which doesn't really explain why you were hanging around angrywhitefemale.net. The links page on her site is particularly interesting.

If you mean for industrialization, can you tell me who has done it without oil? More to teh point, can you please tell China and India how to do it without oil?

Never mind then, I meant population. I think western Europe industrialised without oil thanks to a big coal supply. As to India and China, biogas maybe? They've certainly got large enough populations, in India it may be a bit of a social taboo to run houses on human turd gas but there's a large amount of livestock = vegeterians = more usable methane in the biogas. Don't know how that'll run a factory though...

Very small minority on a global level.

As it has always been. Nothing has changed.

And those percentages will go down as they receive more immigrants, and uk's birth rate is below replacement(dunno about USA) and non-white birth rates are higher...
There's nothing to suggest anything of the sort. The birthrate as a whole has decreased, for all ethnic groups. And about the same amount of immigration in the UK comes from the rest of the EU, or from other 'white' countres (e.g. Australia, New Zealand), as it does from 'non-white' countries.

This is the funniest post in the thread so far -- you calling somebody else a racist! Precious!! :D

Say, NY, did you know that, according to the Human Genome Project, 1 out every 200 males on the entire planet, of all races and from all regions, have DNA from Ghenghis Khan? Have you gotten a DNA test for yourself? You never know -- you might be arguing for the wrong group.

Also, according to the Human Genome Project, there are tall, blond, blue-eyed Mongolians, direct descendants of the ancient Sarmatians and other "amazon" tribes who, according to Herodotus, migrated into Asia from Eastern Europe. Nowadays, distinct and obvious blonds pop up spontaneously in regular Asian-looking Mongolian families. I saw an documentary about it last year -- researchers found a blonde 11-year-old girl who looked completely different from the rest of her family and confirmed that she contained the DNA of a 7000-year-old female mummy from a burial mound in Kyrgyzstan -- direct family connection. This implies that blondism is not becoming extinct at all.

Also, did you know that the aborginal people of Australia are born blond and blue-eyed and they darken as they grow into childhood, just like many dark-haired Europeans/Americans. Guess they must be white like us, huh?


Err, I've never called him racist. He has taboos/dogmas on what he considers "racist".

When you talk about whites, why do they give "white supremecist" free with it? :rolleyes:
Pardon, do i miss the point of your post or are you incoherent?

Never mind then, I meant population. I think western Europe industrialised without oil thanks to a big coal supply. As to India and China, biogas maybe? They've certainly got large enough populations, in India it may be a bit of a social taboo to run houses on human turd gas but there's a large amount of livestock = vegeterians = more usable methane in the biogas. Don't know how that'll run a factory though...
No, they got there oil from us and then opened up the North Sea. Now that the North Sea is in decline they'll be competing with the US and everyone else for what is left in the Middle East and Central Asia.

And the fun starts right about...


now!

Read what I wrote in my first post again, regarding your claims in your last paragraph.
Europeans are declining in percentage and so does other whites and IF current trends continue they'll be a VERY SMALL minority on GLOBAL level, to the point of extinction...

For ex: Europes population in 1900 was 25% of world population, it was 12% in 2000. It is predicted (with lots of non white immigration), it'll be 7% in 2050. What percentage will it be in 2150? How many of them will be white??

Who cares? If the population is 600 Billion and only 1% is white it's still 6 Billion. That's not extinction. That's prosperity actually. That would mean the number of white people would be more than the population of the world now. You keep equating low percentage with extinction, but it doesn't follow. There is no way of equating such a thing.

I dont know, but it looks like it'd be VERY SMALL. I think these conclusions are obvious so I didnt feel the need to write them in a long way. Especially when you even didnt read my first post and still make funny claims...
These conclusion are using false logic. You are equating two things that cannot be equated. Extinction is the disappearance of something. You are not even talking about the relative disappearance. You are talking about white people being prosperous but just not AS prosperous as other groups. Again, who cares? If white people are 6 Billion in 2150 is that extinction? No. It's not extinction if there are 600 Billion people on the planet and it's not extinction if there are only 6 Billion people on the planet.

You keep pretending like you're not talking racism, but just the preservation of the race against an 'invasion', but in the end, you aren't upset that white people are disappearing, you're upset that other people are prosperous.

Fass, are there many people like this in Scandinavia in general, or are they a minority of idiots?

I like to believe they are a minority.

Which doesn't really explain why you were hanging around angrywhitefemale.net. The links page on her site is particularly interesting.

Actually I've never visited her page...was too busy jerking off to hitler (sarcasm)

Ny Nordland, if you mean great minority of whites in the future, just say it. Don't confuse people with terms like "extinction".

Pardon, do i miss the point of your post or are you incoherent?

You missed the point...

I knew it was bogus. I explained in my first post. I expect you to admit you are wrong at least once. You are too stubborn...

So you base your claims on bogus studies because you want to "treat it as if it's true". That's ignorance.

The point is that repeatedly it's been shown that genetics do not work in the way you describe. Genetic mixing is in the interest of the human race. It's the point of evolution. It does not mean that white genes will disappear or are even fairly likely to disappear. There have been multiple links to show that.

I'll admit I forgot you initially admitted it was bogus, but it doesn't change the fact that you are treating it as if it's true. You've shown no evidence for the extinction of the white race. NONE.

Who cares? If the population is 600 Billion and only 1% is white it's still 6 Billion. That's not extinction. That's prosperity actually. That would mean the number of white people would be more than the population of the world now. You keep equating low percentage with extinction, but it doesn't follow. There is no way of equating such a thing.


These conclusion are using false logic. You are equating two things that cannot be equated. Extinction is the disappearance of something. You are not even talking about the relative disappearance. You are talking about white people being prosperous but just not AS prosperous as other groups. Again, who cares? If white people are 6 Billion in 2150 is that extinction? No. It's not extinction if there are 600 Billion people on the planet and it's not extinction if there are only 6 Billion people on the planet.

You keep pretending like you're not talking racism, but just the preservation of the race against an 'invasion', but in the end, you aren't upset that white people are disappearing, you're upset that other people are prosperous.

You are basing your assumptions that earth will have 600 billion people?

Actually I've never visited her page...was too busy jerking off to hitler (sarcasm)Maybe you should. Either you'd like it, if you're a white supremacist, or you'd realise just what you've been quoting and might not bother us with neo-nazi propaganda in the future.

Who cares? If the population is 600 Billion and only 1% is white it's still 6 Billion. That's not extinction. That's prosperity actually. That would mean the number of white people would be more than the population of the world now. You keep equating low percentage with extinction, but it doesn't follow. There is no way of equating such a thing.You may have actually wanted to mention that an exploding population hardly bodes well for the future. The fact that European and American populations are pretty stable when you subtract immigration means that you are probably going to be much better off in the coming decades as growing resource scarcity and environmental upheaval take their tolls. Wether that's fair, considering indutrialization is the root cause of it all and industrial culture originated in Europe and America, is beside the point.

You missed the point...

You never had one.

You are basing your assumptions that earth will have 600 billion people?

No, I'm making the point that you are not showing that the population of white people is declining but rather the percentage (actually, not even that. You showed that the percentage of people in europe is declining). I showed how that is meaningless. It doesn't mean the population of white people is declining and you've offered no evidence to this point.

Show something, anything that shows that there is a potential extinction of white people on the horizon.

Ny Nordland, if you mean great minority of whites in the future, just say it. Don't confuse people with terms like "extinction".

I say almost to the point of extinction...Europe going from 25%(almost all white) of world population in 1900 to 7%(perhaps mostly non-white) of world population in 2050(projected) is dramatic...

You missed the point...
Ever heard of sarcasm?
Your reply was totally missing my point, i never talked about whites, but you alone. Besides it still made no sense, i got what you aimed at, but you didnt word it properly.

Ny, your concern for endangered species and human biodiversity is touching.

Funny how your compassion doesn't seem to include ethnic groups that have been subject to genocide. Like American Indians. Like Jews. Like Muslims. Like Africans.

I don't think it's fair to call you a racist or a white supremacist, though. But "social darwinist" does suit a statistician such as yourself.

I say almost to the point of extinction...Europe going from 25%(almost all white) of world population in 1900 to 7%(perhaps mostly non-white) of world population in 2050(projected) is dramatic...
Only if that means that their overall population is decreasing. Something you've not shown at all.

In 1900, the population density of Europe was MUCH higher than that of most of the rest of the world. It would be ridiculous to expect a continent as densly populated as Europe to continue to grow on pace with continents that were sparsely populated 150 years ago.

No, I'm making the point that you are not showing that the population of white people is declining but rather the percentage (actually, not even that. You showed that the percentage of people in europe is declining). I showed how that is meaningless. It doesn't mean the population of white people is declining and you've offered no evidence to this point.

Show something, anything that shows that there is a potential extinction of white people on the horizon.

Whites population decline because none of the "white countries" got above replecement level birth rate. I didnt offer any evidence to it because I thought it was general knowledge like earth isnt flat...

I say almost to the point of extinction...Europe going from 25%(almost all white) of world population in 1900 to 7%(perhaps mostly non-white) of world population in 2050(projected) is dramatic...

Dramatic, but not extinction - so long as the white population doesn't decline rapidly.

I say almost to the point of extinction...Europe going from 25%(almost all white) of world population in 1900 to 7%(perhaps mostly non-white) of world population in 2050(projected) is dramatic...Ah, but you forget that its not the European population shrinking that dramatically, but the rest of the world population rising. Yes it is dramatic, but it's not "a threat to the white race and its posterity" no matter how you spin it.

Genetic Diversity is good for a species. I think it would be a shame for any distinct people to be lost. No matter what a people legacy is, there is at least some point of pride in it. I don't think white people should feel guilt for being white, just as people of other races should not feel any negativity about their heritage. Dr. Shelby Steele recently wrote a book about what he calls "white guilt." If anybody gets a chance to check it out, they should.

Ever heard of sarcasm?
Your reply was totally missing my point, i never talked about whites, but you alone. Besides it still made no sense, i got what you aimed at, but you didnt word it properly.

I was talking about white population declining and you somehow came up with WS?

I don't know why you guys even try, Ny's a scared racist and doesn't seem to wanna be anything else.

"White people are lessening!"

"So? It's because we're becoming more global - people mix with races. What does it matter?"

"White people aren't gonna be around anymore!"

"... That's not true. 'White' is a very broad term. Most likely we'll have a darker skin tone via evolution and will benefit from it because our children will have more melenan content in their skin to keep them from getting sunburn."

"... WHITE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THE WORLD!"

"..."

And here's where I suggest you give up and let him rant and flail his arms in the darkness by himself.

Err, I've never called him racist. He has taboos/dogmas on what he considers "racist".
Keep splitting those hairs, honey, and you'll be a bald white man.

EDIT: I'm sorry. I should say a bald fair-skinned man with a high likelihood of being part northern European (Swedish), part Mongolian (GK), part other Asian (ancient trade routes), part southern European (yay, Roman Empire), part Ugric (yah, the Huns), and part Arab/African (yay, Medieval Saracens).

In other words, there are no "pure" whites. There are only human beings. Learn to cope, blondie.

Imagine my surprise to show up on this forum and the first thing I get to read is a bunch of racial propoganda. :mad:

I'm amazed that such bull can still be posted on the net and that there are people who still believe that there is a such thing as a PURE race.

Please let me mention that it's not the race of the mother that is taken in consideration of what race the child is but the race of the father.
So even though I'm the color of caramel, my husband is a red hair, green eyed, 6' 4" man of Dutch/Irish descent and my children have clearly been placed in the "White" demographic. :headbang:

I've got to say that sometimes I wish I did have dark skin so I didn't get sunburn...

Ny, your concern for endangered species and human biodiversity is touching.

Funny how your compassion doesn't seem to include ethnic groups that have been subject to genocide. Like American Indians. Like Jews. Like Muslims. Like Africans.

I don't think it's fair to call you a racist or a white supremacist, though. But "social darwinist" does suit a statistician such as yourself.

Thanks. But I really dont care what they think, they are programmed to call racist when you talk about whites.
My compassion includes them(native americans, etc...), but it'd be a too big article, no? They dont even read the 1st one fully...

I don't know why you guys even try, Ny's a scared racist and doesn't seem to wanna be anything else.

I'd consider it a victory if he just admitted to being a racist. Maybe he'd be less scared then. I'd be doing good in the world, and helping him out by making him come to terms with his inner self. :cool:

Thanks. But I really dont care what they think, they are programmed to call racist when you talk about whites.
My compassion includes them(native americans, etc...), but it'd be a too big article, no? They dont even read the 1st one fully...The first article there didn't really deserve to be read. The one she wrote on how much she hated being anywhere near people that weren't white at some festival is much funnier.

Imagine my surprise to show up on this forum and the first thing I get to read is a bunch of racial propoganda. :mad:

I'm amazed that such bull can still be posted on the net and that there are people who still believe that there is a such thing as a PURE race.

Please let me mention that it's not the race of the mother that is taken in consideration of what race the child is but the race of the father.
So even though I'm the color of caramel, my husband is a red hair, green eyed, 6' 4" man of Dutch/Irish descent and my children have clearly been placed in the "White" demographic. :headbang:

Funny. How some 'open-minded' people like you always support restriction of freedom of speech.
"white" demographic is a reletive thing...

Thanks. But I really dont care what they think, they are programmed to call racist when you talk about whites.
My compassion includes them(native americans, etc...), but it'd be a too big article, no? They dont even read the 1st one fully...

The fact that you -are- concerned about the disappearance of a skin color just proves that you're racist. It's the definition of it, to a tee. You can't get closer to it than that other than by waving a sign around saying "I CARE MORE ABOUT SKIN COLOR THAN ANYTHING ELSE!".

The first article there didn't really deserve to be read. The one she wrote on how much she hated being anywhere near people that weren't white at some festival is much funnier.

Did you also read that I didnt agree with her fully? Funny, I was lazy to write a long article myself, but now my responses add up to a huge one...

Thanks.
You sure are immune to vitriol. :D

Thermopolist: welcome, and thanks for being open-minded, even if it's in air-quotes. ;)

The fact that you -are- concerned about the disappearance of a skin color just proves that you're racist. It's the definition of it, to a tee. You can't get closer to it than that other than by waving a sign around saying "I CARE MORE ABOUT SKIN COLOR THAN ANYTHING ELSE!".

The fact that you support the disappearence of a "skin colour" as you put it makes you racist too.

I was talking about white population declining and you somehow came up with WS?
Look, its what you are going on about all the time. You fear extinction of your race by interbreeding and extinction of your culture by immigrants, post racist, antisemitic bulldrek totally unreflected (oh wait, there was a disclaimer that you didnt agree, right? Why post it then?) and couldnt discuss yourself out of a kindergarten if your life depended on it.

So here is the gist of what i want to say: Your views are not appreciated. You will not persuade anyone. You are not funny, entertaining, educating or oppinion-building. No one here well have any sleepless night about your supposed horror scenarios. Get it now?

The fact that you support the disappearence of a "skin colour" as you put it makes you racist too.

When did he/she support it?

Did you also read that I didnt agree with her fully? Funny, I was lazy to write a long article myself, but now my responses add up to a huge one...Oh, no, I read it. You shouldn't quote neo-nazis though, if you don't want to be lumped in the same bucket as them.

Did you also read that I didnt agree with her fully? Funny, I was lazy to write a long article myself, but now my responses add up to a huge one...
Then why did you cite her?

Your argument runs like this: Here's this racist article; I don't agree with it but I'm still going to promote its central point; I'm too lazy to provide any other proofs of my argument. And yet you're surprised at the dismissive attitude you receive. And at the fact that we're mostly concentrating on you rather than your point. Since your point was debunked on page 1 and you've given us nothing new on it, what else are we left with?

The fact that you support the disappearence of a "skin colour" as you put it makes you racist too.

I don't "support" it, I just don't give a shit. Skin color means nothing to me - actually, that's a lie - if I could have a slightly darker skin color so I don't get sunburn, I'd be slightly more satisfied. That means nothing, though, because my skin color will never change; I can't even tan.

How do I support something that happens naturally and doesn't affect us in any way at all?

Whites population decline because none of the "white countries" got above replecement level birth rate. I didnt offer any evidence to it because I thought it was general knowledge like earth isnt flat...

Um, actually, it's not true that whites are in decline. It's true that the white population in Europe is in decline. Some facts. Europe is and has been one of the most population dense regions of the world. Asia beats it by a bit, but Asia is actually in the practice of limiting it's population growth for that reason.

Europe is second smallest continent after Australia has one of the largest populations after Africa and Asia. It's is declining in terms of its percentage of the world because the rest of the world can afford to have a fast growing population and Europe cannot. Just for comparison, the population density of Europe today 68.1 per square kilometer. Let's compare that to North America at 21 even and South America at 20.8. Well, how about Africa? How are they? 27.8. Of course the population of Europe isn't keeping up with the rest of the world.

Now, would you care to show evidence that the WHITE population is in decline or do you want to continue to argue from ignorance (that's a reference to a logical fallacy, by the way)?

Alright,
This is crazy. Who is this chick? First off your bigotry is nothing less than flagrant, and your logic borders Looney Tunes. Where do you get your ideology? Is it from your weekly card game with Fred Phelps, Walt Disney, Hitler and Satan? This is why woman don’t have the right to free speech in my country.

The fact that you support the disappearence of a "skin colour" as you put it makes you racist too.
You enjoy ignoring facts. I have already pointed out that genetic research shows that blondism is not becoming extinct, as every race is capable of carrying and expressing the genes for it. Now tell me how blonds will disappear from the world, when we already see how they can erupt in any population at random? You know why that happens? Because skin color, hair color, eye color, height, etc, are all just superficial variations of one species -- homo sapiens. There is no functional difference between color groups.

Low birth rate, low death rate, fluctuating population.

Where most/all western nations are now. Some may even be entering stage 5 (lower birth rate than death rate)
They'll be enetring stage five coming up here real quick. Is there a satge 6? Low birth rate extremely high death rate? That's what they're about to enter.


China, too.

Europe and America as well except there low population densities may help them out.

Unless we have a nuclear war.

You may have actually wanted to mention that an exploding population hardly bodes well for the future. The fact that European and American populations are pretty stable when you subtract immigration means that you are probably going to be much better off in the coming decades as growing resource scarcity and environmental upheaval take their tolls. Wether that's fair, considering indutrialization is the root cause of it all and industrial culture originated in Europe and America, is beside the point.

I dont think it's fair when Europe's population is imploding(even with immigration) while others are exploding and we are the ones who should listen 'scarcity' theory.

Funny. How some 'open-minded' people like you always support restriction of freedom of speech.
"white" demographic is a reletive thing...

You are really good at strawmen. S/he didn't suggest you shouldn't be allowed to speak. S/he said s/he was disappointed to see you saying what you were saying.

Just like no one supported the decline of the 'white' race, but simply that no one cares if a people becomes 'impure' by choosing to mix with other races. If you evidence genocide or something similar, you would get a different reaction. As it is, you haven't even shown that white people are in decline.

They'll be enetring stage five coming up here real quick. Is there a satge 6? Low birth rate extremely high death rate? That's what they're about to enter.


China, too.

Europe and America as well except there low population densities may help them out.

Unless we have a nuclear war.

Why would there be a high death rate all of a sudden?

Alright,
This is crazy. Who is this chick? First off your bigotry is nothing less than flagrant, and your logic borders Looney Tunes. Where do you get your ideology? Is it from your weekly card game with Fred Phelps, Walt Disney, Hitler and Satan? This is why woman don’t have the right to free speech in my country.
Huh-what-who? Which country doesn't allow women free speech but uses the word "chick"?

Watch it, honey, this ain't a boys-only club -- though I think it's cute the way you use misogyny to denounce a racist. NY Nordland's a guy. He was quoting some stupid cow's article.

I also think your card game vision is fun, too. That's a celebrity poker match I would like to watch on Bravo, narrated by Dave Foley. :D

Ah, but you forget that its not the European population shrinking that dramatically, but the rest of the world population rising. Yes it is dramatic, but it's not "a threat to the white race and its posterity" no matter how you spin it.

It wouldnt be a threat to us if we werent receiving too many immigrants...

Alright,
This is crazy. Who is this chick? First off your bigotry is nothing less than flagrant, and your logic borders Looney Tunes. Where do you get your ideology? Is it from your weekly card game with Fred Phelps, Walt Disney, Hitler and Satan? This is why woman don’t have the right to free speech in my country.

Obvious troll. Go away.

I dont think it's fair when Europe's population is imploding(even with immigration) while others are exploding and we are the ones who should listen 'scarcity' theory.
They are growing when you include immigration. In any case, it's us that causes the scarcity. The US and Europe combine for over half the world's energy demand and over 70% of its available raw materials.


Sudanese kids don't get Playstations and cell phones or a car for their 16th birthday.

Hell, many don't even get food.

It wouldnt be a threat to us if we werent receiving too many immigrants...

Yes, yes, it's the evil immigrants. We're back to this. In the end, you rely on hyperbole to make your points. You still present NO EVIDENCE that the white population is in decline. You present NO EVIDENCE that the European population is in decline. You present NO EVIDENCE that white people are becoming extinct or blond people or blue-eyed people.

You post an article where you support the general point even though it's full of racist propaganda and based on a false study and then you get upset when people say you're not presenting anything worth considering. So far the only 'evidence' you've presented is a graph showing the percentages of world populations that say NOTHING to your point.

Why would there be a high death rate all of a sudden?
As resources become more scarce the development aid to much of the developing world will stop. As oil based agriculture in America collapses we'll pretty much have to stop sending all that food aid to Africa and Asia because we'll need to worry about feeding ourselves. The medical resources of the industrialized world will similarily be impacted and will have to be used at home in Europe and America as well. Africa and Asia will be left to live off of their subsitence agriculture and, without oil based pesticides and natural gas based fertalizers, there simply will not be enough food to prevent a population crash. Then there are the resource wars over water and land. It's gonna be grim.

Huh-what-who? Which country doesn't allow women free speech but uses the word "chick"?
You may have gotten that wrong, several countries dont allow racist speech from any gender. I come from one and still might use the word chick when speaking or writing english, although i am more inclined to use the british "bird".

Keep splitting those hairs, honey, and you'll be a bald white man.

EDIT: I'm sorry. I should say a bald fair-skinned man with a high likelihood of being part northern European (Swedish), part Mongolian (GK), part other Asian (ancient trade routes), part southern European (yay, Roman Empire), part Ugric (yah, the Huns), and part Arab/African (yay, Medieval Saracens).

In other words, there are no "pure" whites. There are only human beings. Learn to cope, blondie.

LOL...Mongols invading Scandinavia? Roman Empire in Norway? Dont worry my history sux too, but I'm sure those 2 didnt happen....Actually the rest didnt happen too(except maybe a bit of south european but not because of romans...)Scandinavia has been very homogenious except last couple decades. Ugric doesnt mean huns btw...And dont start with Sami btw, they arent even 50,000...

It wouldnt be a threat to us if we werent receiving too many immigrants...
You don't know how to frame an argument, do you?

Massive non-white immigration making the native white population a minority might be a threat to the native white population's political power. It in no way leads to the genetic extinction of the native white population unless the native white population chooses to have children mostly with non-white immigrants.

Which brings us right back to page 1 of this thread. If Swedes enjoy having children with non-Swedes, then it seems you're the only one bitching about missing the pitter-pat of little pale blond feet. Your claim that whites are being somehow driven into extinction is bull. Statistically, it's plain old false, and, socially, nobody is being driven into anything.

LOL...Mongols invading Scandinavia? Roman Empire in Norway? Dont worry my history sux too, but I'm sure those 2 didnt happen....Actually the rest didnt happen too(except maybe a bit of south european but not because of romans...)Scandinavia has been very homogenious except last couple decades. Ugric doesnt mean huns btw...And dont start with Sami btw, they arent even 50,000...

Hahaha. This is great. Anyone want to take this one. I'm going to lunch.

It wouldnt be a threat to us if we werent receiving too many immigrants...

It's not a threat! No damage is being done! It's just a change of skin color! Calm down!

As resources become more scarce the development aid to much of the developing world will stop. As oil based agriculture in America collapses we'll pretty much have to stop sending all that food aid to Africa and Asia because we'll need to worry about feeding ourselves. The medical resources of the industrialized world will similarily be impacted and will have to be used at home in Europe and America as well. Africa and Asia will be left to live off of their subsitence agriculture and, without oil based pesticides and natural gas based fertalizers, there simply will not be enough food to prevent a population crash. Then there are the resource wars over water and land. It's gonna be grim.
Well, the table is designed to an individual country, not for the world as a whole, so stage 6 wouldn't be like that. A country that is in stage 5 would most likely be able to cope with what you call 'stage 6'.

Most African countries are in stage 2, some are in 3, and would remain there if an event described in your post took place.

Yes, yes, it's the evil immigrants. We're back to this. In the end, you rely on hyperbole to make your points. You still present NO EVIDENCE that the white population is in decline. You present NO EVIDENCE that the European population is in decline. You present NO EVIDENCE that white people are becoming extinct or blond people or blue-eyed people.

You post an article where you support the general point even though it's full of racist propaganda and based on a false study and then you get upset when people say you're not presenting anything worth considering. So far the only 'evidence' you've presented is a graph showing the percentages of world populations that say NOTHING to your point.

GOD! Even the native tribes in Africa know Europe's population goes down the toilet...Here the first page when I googled...

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/nohumans.html

I get the feeling Ny nordland is more worried about the loss of caucasians causing an extinction of their (western) culture more than the elimination of a skin colour alone.

Well, the table is designed to an individual country, not for the world as a whole, so stage 6 wouldn't be like that. A country that is in stage 5 would most likely be able to cope with what you call 'stage 6'.

Most African countries are in stage 1 or 2, and would remain there if an event described in your post took place.
Resource scarcity doesn't care about boundaries or "stages." It only says, "There are too many of you. Die."

LOL...Mongols invading Scandinavia? Roman Empire in Norway? Dont worry my history sux too, but I'm sure those 2 didnt happen....Actually the rest didnt happen too(except maybe a bit of south european but not because of romans...)Scandinavia has been very homogenious except last couple decades. Ugric doesnt mean huns btw...And dont start with Sami btw, they arent even 50,000...
Mongols invaded Western Europe many times over several centuries. The Huns invaded right up to the gates of Rome itself. And all the while, the Scandanavians were traipsing back and forth between their lands and the rest of Europe -- and North Africa -- conducting trade, war, and travel back and forth with the Romans, the Byzantines, and the Saracen rulers. And everyone was bonking, marrying, and breeding freely along the way, scattering their seed like three continents full of Johnny Appleseeds.

EDIT: And, btw, Ugric does include the Huns. The Huns and Magyars are part of the Finno-Ugric ethno-language group.

I would be the first to regret the dissappearence of all the natural blondes (I like them - the women, I mean ;)), but this is unlikely to happen so soon. It's bad science to take a relative decline (proportionally) and extrapolate from it that, since the proportion of blondes dropped from 10% to 9% in the last 20 years, they'll drop to 0% in 200 years (I made all these numbers up, for the sake of the argument). Something else many people are not aware of is that birth rates are declining all over the world (yes, even in Subsaharan Africa). I bet that one century from now everybody on the planet will be worrying about the worldwide population decline, not about overpopulation. And please tell your grandchildern who told it to you first. I want to be remembered as a great... damn, I can't find the proper English word! Erm... future predicter, let's say. :D

You may have gotten that wrong, several countries dont allow racist speech from any gender. I come from one and still might use the word chick when speaking or writing english, although i am more inclined to use the british "bird".
I was responding to this:
Listerinea
<snip>This is why woman don’t have the right to free speech in my country.
"Chick" is a popular American slang usage. Women have free speech in the USA. I believe women have free speech in the UK, too, don't they? I'm not seriously challenging the poster. I'm just kind of laughing at the remark.

Resource scarcity doesn't care about boundaries or "stages." It only says, "There are too many of you. Die."
Been reading Malthus, have we?

"Chick" is a popular American slang usage.
Yes, so popular it easily spilled into other countries, Germany for example. I blame Mark Knopfler. ;)

Oh, no, I read it. You shouldn't quote neo-nazis though, if you don't want to be lumped in the same bucket as them.

Ok, sorry...I didnt realize she was that extreme. I posted it because I agreed some of her points...

Stage 5 is only just being seen in some countries, and is a recent addition to the demographic transition stages, "stage 6" is impossible to tell for sure until it happens.

Yes, so popular it easily spilled into other countries, Germany for example. I blame Mark Knopfler. ;)
Why? Does Mark Knopfler get around as much as Ghenghis Khan? He was a great one for the chicks, too.

Ok, sorry...I didnt realize she was that extreme. I posted it because I agreed some of her points...
Disavowing your source? Do you have any others that make the same point and have not yet been debunked?

"Money for nothing and the chicks for free..."

"Money for nothing and the chicks for free..."
Could have been worse, I suppose. You could have cited David Hasselhoff. :p

Been reading Malthus, have we?

There -are- too many of us.

Look at this shit: http://www.godsdirectcontact.org.tw/eng/veg/alternativeliving/cost_of_meat/english.htm

All that shit, killing people YEARLY... and we're still overpopulated. Take into account all the wars we've had, all the crime we have, all the suicides we have, all diseases we have... AND WE'RE STILL OVERPOPULATED.

Good lord people need to stop having kids! "Let's get this food/air deal figured out first, mkay? Kay."

Could have been worse, I suppose. You could have cited David Hasselhoff. :p
Look, he is your problem, not ours. :D

"Money for nothing and the chicks for free..."

I thought he said "sex for free"... *shrugs* It's what it always sounded like to me. Considering you can't "buy" chicks, but you can buy sex, it makes more sense for the latter to have a significant dropoff in price.

Been reading Malthus, have we?
Read some. Been reading a lot of other things, too. Malthus is so maligned, but I'll bet if you ask people like this:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/06/30/poverty_wideweb__430x387.jpg
http://borgenproject.org/sitebuilder/images/starvation_picture-640x428.png

...whether he was right or wrong you'll get a different answer than if you ask people like this:

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/1.3/sect/CNN/Programs/american.morning/banner.american.morning.jpg

We used fossil fuels to stretch our resource base. As we run out of them we'll all pay the price.

Considering you can't "buy" chicks, but you can buy sex, it makes more sense for the latter to have a significant dropoff in price.
You cant buy them? (http://www.jimatwell.com/images/pages/AT%20chicks%20chapter%205%2004_jpg.htm) :p

You cant buy them? (http://www.jimatwell.com/images/pages/AT%20chicks%20chapter%205%2004_jpg.htm) :p

You know what I meant! :p

And i thought it was a song about a happy fowl farmer...

And i thought it was a song about a happy fowl farmer...

Lmao... yeah, even after having free money he decides to continue his life on the farm and recieve chicks for free and create a booming egg and chicken business.

So, it's a bunch of racist codswallop based on a lie? Like most racist things, but still.

Oh, and screw the "Nordic" "race." It is clearly inferior if it goes extinct. You'd think someone racist would understand that, but I guess following even their own lack of logic is asking too much out of these Einsteins.

Just so everybody is clear, recessive and inferior are not the same thing. Many genetic diseases (which affect people of all races) are dominant traits but the majority of people do not get the disease because the allele that causes the disease occurs with a much lower frequency than the recessive healthy gene. Blue eyes are not inferior to brown eyes just because brown eyes are dominant, so the extinction of of blue eyes would not be due to inferiority or superiority of either pigment, just the dominance or recessiveness of the genes.

Just so everybody is clear, recessive and inferior are not the same thing. Many genetic diseases (which affect people of all races) are dominant traits but the majority of people do not get the disease because the allele that causes the disease occurs with a much lower frequency than the recessive healthy gene. Blue eyes are not inferior to brown eyes just because brown eyes are dominant, so the extinction of of blue eyes would not be due to inferiority or superiority of either pigment, just the dominance or recessiveness of the genes.

He meant inferior in the manner of "Aryan race is supreme and superior!" kind of thing, kind of making fun of it, kinda tried to fuck my lay-z-boy.

He meant inferior in the manner of "Aryan race is supreme and superior!" kind of thing, kind of making fun of it, kinda tried to fuck my lay-z-boy.
Tool rules.

Tool rules.

God damned right it does.

Looks like this has died out, but just in case Ny comes back....

First, Ny, you have been resoundly defeated in your claim that whites are going "extinct." Before you even reference European statistics again please remember that not all of Europe is Aryan.
However, I'll play along with your little game, we can say that "whites" are in danger of extinction...

Second, Ny, since you believe in the superiority of the white "race" you actually are racist. A racist believes in the superiortiy of some people based on racial characteristics. See m-w.com. Your concern with "extinction" belies your belief in such superority.

Lastly, your concern with the "extinction" of the "race" that has given the world many advances is preposterous since such sophistication is passed on through culture, not genes. Any belief in cultural superiority you might harbor is not under threat by racial intermingling.


I knew ignorant racists like Ny existed. I'm shocked that he was willing to expose himself in front of strangers.

I doubt this article has any credibility or validity. If it does, I am so happy I will not be alive in 200 years. A world without blonde hair or white skin...well I'd just rather be dead by then. Also, I am sure this article disregards the notion of genetic engineering, which may lead people to actively choose to have blonde children or alter their own colours. What's more, evolutionary cycles going forth, and the fact that a lot of people now inhabit northern, cooler countries could lead to the reappearance of blonde hair. To the contrary, the advent of sun screens could reduce naturally darker skin from reoccuring and allow fairer hair to take prevalence. So I think your friend is off the mark on this one.

Look, he is your problem, not ours. :D
Not since we off-loaded him on you Germans. We've never looked back. :p

All right!

Nothing like a cup of coffee and some white-power bullshit to start my day off with a bang.

Reading stuff like that makes me want to dump my beloved fair-skinned fiancee and find me a nice dark boy with whom I can make babies... just to piss off people like the author of that article.

But on the other hand, I kind of like my fiancee.

Ok, sorry...I didnt realize she was that extreme. I posted it because I agreed some of her points...

Are you saying you didn't read the letter? Here's a tip - if they call Africans thick-lipped and nappy-headed, then it's someone that extreme. Look for those types of statements and you'll have a pretty good idea who to dismiss out-of-hand.

Hmm.

I'm half-Korean. The other half is a mix of white, black, and who knows what else.

My kids are even more mixed than I am.

So, are we white? Korean? Black? What?

I speak English daily, but I also speak German, French, Spanish. I can read and write Hebrew and Aramaic (in addition to the previously mentioned languages), and can speak Ivrit. I am a Pentacostal Christian and a swinger. I vote Republican most of the time, but I have voted for Democrats before, especially in local elections.

So, tell me what I am supposed to be.

You're quite obviously some sort of extraterrestrial alien, sent here by your evil alien overlords to make this planet ready for subjugation and enslavement. Don't think I'm not on to you!

There are white people in non-white countries. You ignore this. And I know of NO 'white' country where whites are in the minority and many where whites are in the OVERWHELMING majority. This has been shown to you time and again but you ignore all data contrary to your claims.

I don't know to what extent the South-African republic is still dominated by whites, though I've gotten the impression that they are still struggling with matters of equality, despite having had it in name for sixteen years.

LOL...Mongols invading Scandinavia? Roman Empire in Norway? Dont worry my history sux too, but I'm sure those 2 didnt happen....Actually the rest didnt happen too(except maybe a bit of south european but not because of romans...)Scandinavia has been very homogenious except last couple decades. Ugric doesnt mean huns btw...And dont start with Sami btw, they arent even 50,000...

Hah! Scandinavia - and Norway in particular - has been an immigrant nation back into the mists of time! It just wasn't readily apparent by their skin colour until about thirty-fourty years ago.

As for the Sami, while it is true that about 50 000 of the population in Norway consider themselves Sami today, that has more to do with one of the more shameful chapters of our history - Norwegianization of the Sami and the Kven. The systematical destruction and ridiculing of Sami and Kven culture. The number of people who are "genetically" Sami or of mixed heritage in northern Norway is much higher.

Mongols invaded Western Europe many times over several centuries. The Huns invaded right up to the gates of Rome itself. And all the while, the Scandanavians were traipsing back and forth between their lands and the rest of Europe -- and North Africa -- conducting trade, war, and travel back and forth with the Romans, the Byzantines, and the Saracen rulers. And everyone was bonking, marrying, and breeding freely along the way, scattering their seed like three continents full of Johnny Appleseeds.

Mongols pretty much invaded Europe once, and they stopped before they got to Western Europe. I'm not sure if they interbred much with the Eastern Europeans either, or if they kept more to their own. As for scattering seeds, if we're talking about the ethnicities in Scandinavia, I think wives and children brought home by Scandinavian raiders and traders wouldn't have made a substantial impact. I'd expect more conventional immigration to Scandinavia would be a bigger source of new blood.

I don't know to what extent the South-African republic is still dominated by whites, though I've gotten the impression that they are still struggling with matters of equality, despite having had it in name for sixteen years.
Whites are, and I think always have been, a minority in it. Equality is non-existent now, it is only superficial. It's like the apartheid-lite in reverse.

Hah! Scandinavia - and Norway in particular - has been an immigrant nation back into the mists of time! It just wasn't readily apparent by their skin colour until about thirty-fourty years ago.

Still isn't, that much.

Mongols pretty much invaded Europe once, and they stopped before they got to Western Europe. I'm not sure if they interbred much with the Eastern Europeans either, or if they kept more to their own.
They didn't really. They kept pretty much to themselves, when not slaughtering (or being slaughtered).

Whites are, and I think always have been, a minority in it. Equality is non-existent now, it is only superficial. It's like the apartheid-lite in reverse.

I'm not quite sure I understood that right. Are you saying the white population is subjected to a light version of what the blacks were up until recently subjected to? Or that the old barriers still stand, and power is still mostly gathered on white hands? I'm afraid I know very little of post-apartheid South-Africa...

Hah! Scandinavia - and Norway in particular - has been an immigrant nation back into the mists of time! It just wasn't readily apparent by their skin colour until about thirty-fourty years ago.

Still isn't, that much
Enough for certain people to cry wolf and foresee the doom of the "white race". Whatever that is...

PS: Just how do these descriptions that appear under one's name work? Like "Quite deadly"? Is it determined by post count?

The point isn't to produce blonds. It's to produce members of society who are intelligent and productive. By this reasoning, East Asians and Jews (I don't think they're a race, but I'll call them one anyway because everyone else does it) are clearly the superior races. They have the highest IQs, lowest crime rates, and highest salaries. Therefore, they are the most intelligent and productive.

The point isn't to produce blonds. It's to produce members of society who are intelligent and productive. By this reasoning, East Asians and Jews (I don't think they're a race, but I'll call them one anyway because everyone else does it) are clearly the superior races. They have the highest IQs, lowest crime rates, and highest salaries. Therefore, they are the most intelligent and productive.

Don't call them races just because everyone else does it. In fact, that everyone else does it is a very important reason for why you shouldn't. I have no idea of whether or not what you say about IQ, crime rates and salaries is correct. Back up your statements so I can know.

Anyway, I've been lead to believe that minorities who wish to become part of the society into which they immigrate often are more highly motivated to achieve socially and academically, because they are conscious of their status as outsiders and wish to establish their place as part of the community.

Blondes aren't going to get wiped out just because it's a recessive phenotype. Furthermore, there are blondes and redheads in all racial groups, not just white people, they're not as common, but they're there.

At any rate, if everyone stays at roughly the same latitude, the amount of sunshine they get should even them out to whatever's natural for that latitude after a couple thousand years. So there won't be any dark skinned people near the poles or light skinned people near the equator. The only way you're going to get rid of blondes is by sterilizing them all and then waiting a generation for all brunettes to have kids and sterilizing the blonde ones they produce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearing_blonde_gene

Also, even wikipedia commented on the hoax of the disappearing blonde genes.

I doubt this article has any credibility or validity. If it does, I am so happy I will not be alive in 200 years. A world without blonde hair or white skin...well I'd just rather be dead by then. Also, I am sure this article disregards the notion of genetic engineering, which may lead people to actively choose to have blonde children or alter their own colours. What's more, evolutionary cycles going forth, and the fact that a lot of people now inhabit northern, cooler countries could lead to the reappearance of blonde hair. To the contrary, the advent of sun screens could reduce naturally darker skin from reoccuring and allow fairer hair to take prevalence. So I think your friend is off the mark on this one.

The article was claimed to be a hoax....a scary one, but a hoaz nonetheless.

The point isn't to produce blonds. It's to produce members of society who are intelligent and productive. By this reasoning, East Asians and Jews (I don't think they're a race, but I'll call them one anyway because everyone else does it) are clearly the superior races. They have the highest IQs, lowest crime rates, and highest salaries. Therefore, they are the most intelligent and productive.

East Asians and Jews are not races....

Anway your right about the rest, they do have the lowest crime rates, highest IQ rates and highest salaries.

Don't call them races just because everyone else does it. In fact, that everyone else does it is a very important reason for why you shouldn't. I have no idea of whether or not what you say about IQ, crime rates and salaries is correct. Back up your statements so I can know.

Anyway, I've been lead to believe that minorities who wish to become part of the society into which they immigrate often are more highly motivated to achieve socially and academically, because they are conscious of their status as outsiders and wish to establish their place as part of the community.
I was trying to show which groups in society are the most succesful, and if that means that I have to attach superficial labels to them, then I'll do it. What I say about IQ and everything else is true, it's on wikipedia.

Not all minorities can integrate. Asians have integrated extremely well in america, but they were subjected to severe racism until the 1970s. Blacks, on the other hand, are still predominantly poor and stupid, and they've been here almost as long as white people, and they've also been discriminated against, but they never managed to overcome that. Whether it's genes or culture, I don't know, but blacks are clearly inferior to asians, while asians are superior to caucasians.

I have to agree that its ridiculous that the BBC put this in the Health Section.

But, thats because its ridiculous that anyone would bother making an article about something so unimportant.

In other words "OI! ALL RACES ARE THE SAME! GET OVER YOURSELF!"

Damn, I wanted to flame the racist. All that reading for nothing :( .

The point isn't to produce blonds. It's to produce members of society who are intelligent and productive. By this reasoning, East Asians and Jews (I don't think they're a race, but I'll call them one anyway because everyone else does it) are clearly the superior races. They have the highest IQs, lowest crime rates, and highest salaries. Therefore, they are the most intelligent and productive.
Saying that the lowest crime rates and highest salaries are a product of race and not social/political/economical and to some extent cultural influence seems rather doubtful. Saying higher IQ is a product of race is pure ignorance, since the average IQ of any group is 100 not matter what race, gender or cultural difference that group has. If the point was "higher intelligence" that could also be disputed by the fact that there's no scientific reason to believe that is the fact, and there probably will not come any scientific breakthrough on that point for many years.



Furthermore I'm from "Nordland" myself and couldn't care less about the "extermination" of the white race in that sence. I don't think I'm reaching too far when I'm saying that practically all people are a mix of different races, and that the loss of those race features would destroy the ecology in any way, or lead to other negativ reactions.

Saying that the lowest crime rates and highest salaries are a product of race and not social/political/economical and to some extent cultural influence seems rather doubtful. Saying higher IQ is a product of race is pure ignorance, since the average IQ of any group is 100 not matter what race, gender or cultural difference that group has. If the point was "higher intelligence" that could also be disputed by the fact that there's no scientific reason to believe that is the fact, and there probably will not come any scientific breakthrough on that point for many years.



Furthermore I'm from "Nordland" myself and couldn't care less about the "extermination" of the white race in that sence. I don't think I'm reaching too far when I'm saying that practically all people are a mix of different races, and that the loss of those race features would destroy the ecology in any way, or lead to other negativ reactions.
Javaprogrammers is a pretty sweet name for a nation. :)

Saying that the lowest crime rates and highest salaries are a product of race and not social/political/economical and to some extent cultural influence seems rather doubtful. Saying higher IQ is a product of race is pure ignorance, since the average IQ of any group is 100 not matter what race, gender or cultural difference that group has. If the point was "higher intelligence" that could also be disputed by the fact that there's no scientific reason to believe that is the fact, and there probably will not come any scientific breakthrough on that point for many years.



Furthermore I'm from "Nordland" myself and couldn't care less about the "extermination" of the white race in that sence. I don't think I'm reaching too far when I'm saying that practically all people are a mix of different races, and that the loss of those race features would destroy the ecology in any way, or lead to other negativ reactions.
I stated in some of my previous posts that culture may have something to do with it, but Asian people in the US were discriminated against for a long time, as well as Jews, but they managed to do very well for themselves neverthless. Not so with black people. Scientists have found that some genes occur more frequently in some racial groups than others, although they don't know the exact function of these genes just yet, so genetics probably has something to do with it. The average IQ of any race is not 100. People in Sub Saharan Africa have an average IQ of 70, and at the other end of the spectrum, Jews have an average IQ of 106.

I too, could not care less about the "extermination" of the white race. I stated before, that it doesn't matter what color or apperance you have, it matters how intelligent and capable you are.

Why are white people so afraid of their kids not looking oh so aryan?

If a kid with one black parent and one white parent is "black" then they are just as equally "white".

Just because the kid doesn't have red hair, green eyes and freckles, doesn't mean that both parents genes aren't represented.

Well my wife is black and I am white. Our daughter is white. In fact she is as white as vanilla ice cream. So Don't know how far that white gene is recessive. Although she is equally black ;)

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Mongols pretty much invaded Europe once, and they stopped before they got to Western Europe. I'm not sure if they interbred much with the Eastern Europeans either, or if they kept more to their own. As for scattering seeds, if we're talking about the ethnicities in Scandinavia, I think wives and children brought home by Scandinavian raiders and traders wouldn't have made a substantial impact. I'd expect more conventional immigration to Scandinavia would be a bigger source of new blood.
I mentioned earlier a finding by the Human Genome Project that, statistically, 1 out of every 200 men on the planet today have Ghenghis Khan's DNA (not Mongolian DNA; one particular Mongolian's DNA; it's good to be king). The populations did not have to intermarry directly because genes are copied and transferred over the generations. All that was necessary was for some Scandanavians to have children with people whose ancestors intermarried with people who had regular traffic with the Golden Horde. That's a lot of people. And since the Scandanavians were great travelers as well, it would have been easy for their children to get such genetic material. They're passing it back and forth as we speak, no doubt. I brought this up to illustrate my point to Ny Nordland that there is no such thing as a "pure race."

I also mentioned another finding of the Human Genome Project that there are native Mongolians who are tall, blond, and blue-eyed. Herodotus said that the so-called "amazon" tribes migrated into Asia from parts of Europe and that they were blond, tall, etc. Archeological finds of central Asian tribes that are today thought to correspond to Herodotus's "amazons" show that they were taller than other people of their time. Genetic researchers learned that there were Mongolian legends of blond horsemen/horsewomen and that their descendants still exist and are tall, blond, etc. So they went looking for such people -- and they found some -- and they learned that they are not a distinct tribe but that blondism occurs spontaneously in Mongolian families, so that occasionally a child will be born who does not look like the parents -- and they found one young girl whose DNA matched the DNA of a 7000-year-old female "amazon" mummy from one of the 'Stans. I mentioned this finding to show that blondism is not becoming extinct because the genes for it can be carried by all "races."

Ny Nordland just ignored these examples, of course.

I was trying to show which groups in society are the most succesful, and if that means that I have to attach superficial labels to them, then I'll do it. What I say about IQ and everything else is true, it's on wikipedia.

Not all minorities can integrate. Asians have integrated extremely well in america, but they were subjected to severe racism until the 1970s. Blacks, on the other hand, are still predominantly poor and stupid, and they've been here almost as long as white people, and they've also been discriminated against, but they never managed to overcome that. Whether it's genes or culture, I don't know, but blacks are clearly inferior to asians, while asians are superior to caucasians.

I stated in some of my previous posts that culture may have something to do with it, but Asian people in the US were discriminated against for a long time, as well as Jews, but they managed to do very well for themselves neverthless. Not so with black people. Scientists have found that some genes occur more frequently in some racial groups than others, although they don't know the exact function of these genes just yet, so genetics probably has something to do with it. The average IQ of any race is not 100. People in Sub Saharan Africa have an average IQ of 70, and at the other end of the spectrum, Jews have an average IQ of 106.

I too, could not care less about the "extermination" of the white race. I stated before, that it doesn't matter what color or apperance you have, it matters how intelligent and capable you are.

The term "race" is no neutral label. It is a term used in biology which simply cannot be used to distinguish between "subgroups" of the human race. We are much too similar to qualify as different races. Many "scientists" of the last century tried to impose this term on different variations over the theme "human" and to find racial-spesific qualities that differentiated these human races. This attempt was a failure, and the idea is now thoroughly debunked. Yet using the term "race" about different ethnicities implies that there is such a difference between us.

Still you provide no factual information to back up your claims. It's not that I necessarily think you're lying, but your word alone isn't enough for your claims to stand. I won't try to delve into reasons for social differences between Asians and blacks in America, as it is not something I have deep knowledge of. Though I will point out that the two groups have very different histories. I think it is important to keep in mind that genetic differences between humans are very small, and it seems stupid to assign them great importance when cultural, social and historical differences are so much greater. A person living in Israel or some other western country (this is where most Jews live,) would of course be expected to fare better on an IQ test than an individual in a sub-Saharan country. There is literally a world of difference in the education the two would be expected to have.

You yourself admit that it is not even clear what the genetic differences between humans consist in. You're on thin ice.

Also, you may want to consider whether it really is ideal to measure a human's importance in how clever and capable it is.

I mentioned earlier a finding by the Human Genome Project that, statistically, 1 out of every 200 men on the planet today have Ghenghis Khan's DNA (not Mongolian DNA; one particular Mongolian's DNA; it's good to be king). The populations did not have to intermarry directly because genes are copied and transferred over the generations. All that was necessary was for some Scandanavians to have children with people whose ancestors intermarried with people who had regular traffic with the Golden Horde. That's a lot of people. And since the Scandanavians were great travelers as well, it would have been easy for their children to get such genetic material. They're passing it back and forth as we speak, no doubt. I brought this up to illustrate my point to Ny Nordland that there is no such thing as a "pure race."

I also mentioned another finding of the Human Genome Project that there are native Mongolians who are tall, blond, and blue-eyed. Herodotus said that the so-called "amazon" tribes migrated into Asia from parts of Europe and that they were blond, tall, etc. Archeological finds of central Asian tribes that are today thought to correspond to Herodotus's "amazons" show that they were taller than other people of their time. Genetic researchers learned that there were Mongolian legends of blond horsemen/horsewomen and that their descendants still exist and are tall, blond, etc. So they went looking for such people -- and they found some -- and they learned that they are not a distinct tribe but that blondism occurs spontaneously in Mongolian families, so that occasionally a child will be born who does not look like the parents -- and they found one young girl whose DNA matched the DNA of a 7000-year-old female "amazon" mummy from one of the 'Stans. I mentioned this finding to show that blondism is not becoming extinct because the genes for it can be carried by all "races."

Ny Nordland just ignored these examples, of course.

I believe I have heard of the "Khan's DNA"-finding you speak of. When it is said that 1 out of every 200 men have this genetic marker, that does not mean that it's actually evenly distributed over the planet. You can't find the marker in 1 out of every 200 Australian's DNA or one out of every 200 African's DNA. The marker had been found to be common in northern China/southern Mongolia, and in so many people in this area that it amounted to such a large percentage of the world's population. As far as I understood, this did not mean that it was also present outside of this area. The Vikings travelled far, but I don't think they got farther than the Caspian sea, which is some ways short of this region. I suspect that the statistic got your nose in this case. Also, it is important to remember that since there exists no genetic sample of Ghenghis Khan, the marker cannot with absolute certainty be linked to him. But its prominence indicates that it probably originated with someone who was very popular with the ladies, for example the man who began the largest continous land empire in history.

I agree with you when you claim there is no such thing as a "pure race" (whatever that means.) And that blonde blue-eyedness is not specific for some sort of "Nordic race". I just think your example might be a bit farfetched.

I mentioned earlier a finding by the Human Genome Project that, statistically, 1 out of every 200 men on the planet today have Ghenghis Khan's DNA (not Mongolian DNA; one particular Mongolian's DNA; it's good to be king). The populations did not have to intermarry directly because genes are copied and transferred over the generations. All that was necessary was for some Scandanavians to have children with people whose ancestors intermarried with people who had regular traffic with the Golden Horde. That's a lot of people. And since the Scandanavians were great travelers as well, it would have been easy for their children to get such genetic material. They're passing it back and forth as we speak, no doubt. I brought this up to illustrate my point to Ny Nordland that there is no such thing as a "pure race."

I also mentioned another finding of the Human Genome Project that there are native Mongolians who are tall, blond, and blue-eyed. Herodotus said that the so-called "amazon" tribes migrated into Asia from parts of Europe and that they were blond, tall, etc. Archeological finds of central Asian tribes that are today thought to correspond to Herodotus's "amazons" show that they were taller than other people of their time. Genetic researchers learned that there were Mongolian legends of blond horsemen/horsewomen and that their descendants still exist and are tall, blond, etc. So they went looking for such people -- and they found some -- and they learned that they are not a distinct tribe but that blondism occurs spontaneously in Mongolian families, so that occasionally a child will be born who does not look like the parents -- and they found one young girl whose DNA matched the DNA of a 7000-year-old female "amazon" mummy from one of the 'Stans. I mentioned this finding to show that blondism is not becoming extinct because the genes for it can be carried by all "races."

Ny Nordland just ignored these examples, of course.

thats interesting stuff! it makes the crappy OP worth the space

I believe I have heard of the "Khan's DNA"-finding you speak of. When it is said that 1 out of every 200 men have this genetic marker, that does not mean that it's actually evenly distributed over the planet. You can't find the marker in 1 out of every 200 Australian's DNA or one out of every African's DNA. The marker had been found to be common in northern China/southern Mongolia, and in so many people in this area that it amounted to such a large percentage of the world's population. As far as I understood, this did not mean that it was also present outside of this area. The Vikings travelled far, but I don't think they got farther than the Caspian sea, which is some ways short of this region. I suspect that the statistic got your nose in this case. Also, it is important to remember that since there exists no genetic sample of Ghenghis Khan, the marker cannot with absolute certainty be linked to him. But its prominence indicates that it probably originated with someone who was very popular with the ladies, for example the man who began the largest continous land empire in history.

I agree with you when you claim there is no such thing as a "pure race" (whatever that means.) And that blonde blue-eyedness is not specific for some sort of "Nordic race". I just think your example might be a bit farfetched.
I'm just repeating what the researchers say. I don't know how they know which Mongolian's DNA it is either -- they must be basing it on remains of known descendants of GK, presuming such have been identified. But the fact is that all of human history is a series of migrations, some fast and intense, most slow and diffuse. Populations that drift across continents over centuries are going to interbreed with populations they meet along the way. That's all there is to it. It seems foolish to me to assume that there is any group of humans anywhere that do not contain DNA from some other group, even if they picked it up 1000s or even tens of 1000s of years ago and have become isolated since then.

I'd like to thank everyone, including the OP, for giving me one hell of a laugh! Reading that racist bullshit and the multitude of responses slamming it all down was a brilliant read, and very entertaining.

Seriously though, the white people recess by, what? 2400? Hell of a long time. And so what if my great-great X 100000 grandchildren are brown? I like brown...

You seem to loose the point with IQ-tests. Different groups and cultures around the globe has different ways to think. For example reading from right to left vs. left to right. Using different numerical systems: decimal vs. hexadecimal. And a great deal of minor things too. This is a pure product of culture and not of race. The point of In addition the claim that genes have something to do with it: "Scientists have found that some genes occur more frequently in some racial groups than others, although they don't know the exact function of these genes just yet, so genetics probably has something to do with it." Is just guessing. The research of the human DNA hasn't come far enough at all to make any clear statement on that matter, not even in the form of probability. There is no way of testing those theories now as one has no idea of what much influence culture has on different matters.

Was this article writen by a 12 year old racist with Nazi parents ?

... Um, the Jews are already a minority, and as such saying they're the case for the extinction of the white race is really stupid, and even if it were true you gotta cut them some slack. There hasn't been a single century of history when there hasn't been atleast one nation trying to wipe them out. Besides, what do they have to do with any of this? The Atheists don't listen to them, the vast majority of Christians don't listen to them, the Muslims sure-as-hell don't listen to them, so why blame them? Course you all have acknowledge that so I'll leave it alone...

I myself am of Polish background, so I qualify as "White". Well, the beginning statement is right and wrong on some things... First off, us whites haven't exactly been reproducing due to the propaganda in TV and such posting a 2-child family as the best, while all these other nations are having easily 5 kids per family... Also we do everything we can to prevent from multiplying; abortion, condoms and other contraceptives, etc. Really, it's the people's own damn choice to let their race eventually die out, and if they're un-fucking dumb enough to. Well, our choice, eh? (Polish father, but born in Canada)

Also, we may have invented a shit-load of stuff, but that's just like every other major race throughout history. The Babylonians (we still can't figure out they did most of their calculations, but we do know they were smarter than us, though they didn't find the concept of electricity useful), the Egyptions (we still don't know how they did the mummification procedure, though it involved electricity. They are also the source of the Pythagorean Theorum, though they didn't get famous over it), the Azteks (they had 50-year callenders which were more accurate than the ones we use today. Also, we still can't figure out how they did it...), the Romans, Greek, German, etc etc... All very powerful at one time or another throughout history, all made incredible advancements, and then suddenly and rapidly declined and were known only in history. Well people, this is the end of the British world power, and the beginning of the Chinese (or asian in general).
To anyone who is asian, don't get offended or pissed off... I mean, really, no reason to, though I am not implying that you will, and please don't anyone get upset over that statement either.
(It's gotten to the point where you can't critisize any race other than Whites without getting critisized, but that's a whole other topic and there are tons of people not like that [just the few who are that make you want to strangle them])

Well, that's a damn long reply, hope it means something to someone.

thats interesting stuff! it makes the crappy OP worth the space
Thanks, Ashmoria, but I'm not sure anything makes this thread worthwhile.

Was this article writen by a 12 year old racist with Nazi parents ?Nah, by a grown "white" woman.

I mentioned earlier a finding by the Human Genome Project that, statistically, 1 out of every 200 men on the planet today have Ghenghis Khan's DNA *snip*

There was also an Irish Warlord that is recorded to have 3 million decendents. Only Khan has him beat. ;)

Hey angry white female, I think you're missing the point. The reason that genocide is bad is not because there is no longer a particular type of hair color or nose shape present in the human population. This is actually very unimportant. The reason that genocide is bad is because people are being killed. If eventually there aren't anymore blondes, who really cares? However, if someone went around killing all the blondes of the world, that would be terrible and would ACTUALLY be the biggest news story of the century or whatever you were calling this BBC shit.

What a load of crap! Without Nordic we wouldnt have an electricity? Are you serious? Everybody knows that Serb from Croatia Nikola Tesla invented electricity, radio and stuff. So if you're blonde with blue/green eyes, and i am white with brown eyes and hair, does it mean that i'm lower race than you? Geez! Einstein wasnt' Nordic either! So don't say such crap! And define term Nordic - Vikings, Germans or all white race? Yeah, one more thing - Hitler wasn't blond, nor Goering was.

Not to mention, that they aren't going "extinct" and we will not run out of blondes in 200 years. That BBC story was also shown where I live, and it was nothing but codswallop and bad math.

So this is a rant on a rant on a lie.
Exactly. Gingers are far more likely to become extinct, as the "ginger gene" is far more recessive.

Hmm, I thought I had a point to make, but I really don't.

love and huggles from a Rare Natural Blonde. Even rarer as I have brown eyes.