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Damn, I wanted to flame the racist. All that reading for nothing :( .

Here's your chance...


I was trying to show which groups in society are the most succesful, and if that means that I have to attach superficial labels to them, then I'll do it. What I say about IQ and everything else is true, it's on wikipedia.

Not all minorities can integrate. Asians have integrated extremely well in america, but they were subjected to severe racism until the 1970s. Blacks, on the other hand, are still predominantly poor and stupid, and they've been here almost as long as white people, and they've also been discriminated against, but they never managed to overcome that. Whether it's genes or culture, I don't know, but blacks are clearly inferior to asians, while asians are superior to caucasians.


I'm surprised noone called Dude111 racist or anything. I guess it's only bad and racism when whites do it.



So, it's a bunch of racist codswallop based on a lie? Like most racist things, but still.

Oh, and screw the "Nordic" "race." It is clearly inferior if it goes extinct. You'd think someone racist would understand that, but I guess following even their own lack of logic is asking too much out of these Einsteins.


Here we see an example how someone radically anti-racist can make racist statements himself. I'm sure everyone would call me racist, nazi, etc..if I said something like:

"Blacks are inferior if..."

I guess this a bit like radically anti-homosexual people. They are probably homosexual themselves or at least got some homosexual tendencies...

I'm surprised noone called Dude111 racist or anything. I guess it's only bad and racism when whites do it.

Most certainly not true...I hold the New Black Panther Party with the same ire that I do the KKK.

So,your whole argument is essentially, 'Look! They're doing it as well, so stop persecuting my poor white ass!"

Give it a rest mate. A few comments missed is hardly a surprise given the sheer amount of claptrap you're coming out with.

I'd like to thank everyone, including the OP, for giving me one hell of a laugh! Reading that racist bullshit and the multitude of responses slamming it all down was a brilliant read, and very entertaining.

Seriously though, the white people recess by, what? 2400? Hell of a long time. And so what if my great-great X 100000 grandchildren are brown? I like brown...

Kewl...I dont find most of them attractive so it's a subjective opinion. And I believe future generations got a right to look at people like this...

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2091/princessulrika1ju.jpg

Note: I didnt post any "better" pics since this is a PG-13 forum...

So,your whole argument is essentially, 'Look! They're doing it as well, so stop persecuting my poor white ass!"

Give it a rest mate. A few comments missed is hardly a surprise given the sheer amount of claptrap you're coming out with.

Not really, that's not my argument. I've never ever claimed superiority...

Not really, that's not my argument. I've never ever claimed superiority...

Quite sure I never said you did old chap. I was stating that your attempts to find other racist posters on this thread and attack them is an attempt to make you look better.

Yeah, it doesn't, and that article is still full of crap.

What a load of crap! Without Nordic we wouldnt have an electricity? Are you serious? Everybody knows that Serb from Croatia Nikola Tesla invented electricity, radio and stuff. So if you're blonde with blue/green eyes, and i am white with brown eyes and hair, does it mean that i'm lower race than you? Geez! Einstein wasnt' Nordic either! So don't say such crap! And define term Nordic - Vikings, Germans or all white race? Yeah, one more thing - Hitler wasn't blond, nor Goering was.

I hope that's sarcasm. Electricity was around long before Tesla; it was worked on by people such as Cardano and Musschenbroek. Tesla invented 'wireless transmission of data,' but practical radio can be contributed to Reginald Fessenden, Lee de Forest and Edwin H. Armstrong.

I'm not that worried. The next people to inhabit Europe will turn white.

Quite sure I never said you did old chap. I was stating that your attempts to find other racist posters on this thread and attack them is an attempt to make you look better.

Yeah, it doesn't, and that article is still full of crap.

I was just pointing out the fact that how someone who claims racism is stupid makes racist claims himsef, in the same post...

I'm not that worried. The next people to inhabit Europe will turn white.

Meh. So what if we all turn brown and the white gene/race dies?

I'm not that worried. The next people to inhabit Europe will turn white.

Perhaps, in 10,000 years, if males becomes too scarce and prefer whites...

Originally Posted by Kievan-Prussia
I hope that's sarcasm. Electricity was around long before Tesla; it was worked on by people such as Cardano and Musschenbroek. Tesla invented 'wireless transmission of data,' but practical radio can be contributed to Reginald Fessenden, Lee de Forest and Edwin H. Armstrong.

When first power plant started to work, and who designed it?

Meh. So what if we all turn brown and the white gene/race dies?

Meh. So what if we preserve white race and it exists with other races?

Meh. So what if we preserve white race and it exists with other races?

*Shrugs*

It doesn't really matter one way or another. The only difference is literally skin-deep, and since no race is superior or inferior to the other, it honestly doesn't matter if the white race becomes extinct.

I'm not that worried. The next people to inhabit Europe will turn white.

How?

When first power plant started to work, and who designed it?

Who cares. Electricity is not just power plants. It existed long before. It's natural, anyway. It can't be invented. Who invented fire?

How?

The same way the current inhabitants turned white.

Me.

The same way the current inhabitants turned white.

Which was?

I'm just thinking, if you are claiming the same thing will happen again, what's your evidence?

If we assume - for example - that 'whites' originated from mutations, one has to bear in mind that we no longer have the same kind of 'isolationism' that would enable a mutation to gain dominance...

Which was?

I'm just thinking, if you are claiming the same thing will happen again, what's your evidence?

If we assume - for example - that 'whites' originated from mutations, one has to bear in mind that we no longer have the same kind of 'isolationism' that would enable a mutation to gain dominance...

I don't think "cold" is a changing variable.

We haven't had an ice age in quite some time, though.

Exterminate the gingers!
Hey dude!

I used to be minge!:(

But I was blonde too.

Now I am brown.

This is hair colour by the way...

I don't think "cold" is a changing variable.

Which means what?

You think I'm white because my 'colour' froze out, or something?

Which means what?

You think I'm white because my 'colour' froze out, or something?

Don't you know anything? Originally whites were blue, but when things warmed up we became all peachy.

Don't you know anything? Originally whites were blue, but when things warmed up we became all peachy.

Ah - it all begins to make sense now.... doesn't it?

Yet if we were talking about a tribe of 1000 thick-lipped, knappy-headed Africans, there would be a link to the BBC discussion forum and many links to pro-ugaboogaahh foundations

Pfft.... Hahaha....:p

So, it's a bunch of racist codswallop based on a lie? Like most racist things, but still.

Oh, and screw the "Nordic" "race." It is clearly inferior if it goes extinct. You'd think someone racist would understand that, but I guess following even their own lack of logic is asking too much out of these Einsteins.

Surely there's something not quite right with associating Einstein with rascists. Einstein, a German Jew, only escaped the Holocaust by fleeing to America.

Which means what?

You think I'm white because my 'colour' froze out, or something?

In layman's terms. White skin absorbs Vitamin D more easily, which is necessary as Europe gets more sunlight.

Who cares. Electricity is not just power plants. It existed long before. It's natural, anyway. It can't be invented. Who invented fire?
Yeah, but if someone didnt find out how to use them, we would be freezing our ass off in some cave.

In layman's terms. White skin absorbs Vitamin D more easily, which is necessary as Europe gets more sunlight.

You don't need to worry too much about 'layman's terms', my friend... I've been working in the sciences (on and off) for longer than most NS posters have been alive...

The point I was making, though - is that you are unlikely to get the kind of isolation needed to solidify a 'dominant' strain favouring a 'pure' light skin phenotype.

You still haven't explained HOW we are suddenly going to start 'turning white', though.... you seem to imply genetic forms are 'acquired' through need. That idea barely survived Lamarck...

Okay, just reading that article made me want to throw up. It is one of the most racist piece of shit I have ever read, and makes me wonder how people like this can exist and be that stupid.

The person is essentially saying that we all must mate with our own race so that the blond "race", apparently hair color counts for race now, must not die out.

How stupid is that? Why should I care if I marry a white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Native American, or any other woman of any ethnicity? Why should that make even an iota of difference? I'm going to date and marry whomever I believe I want to, and I couldn't care less what race they are.

Plus, this person was an obvious Nazi. How many times did (s)he sneak in insults directed at Jews, blaming things on Jews, or just plain anti-Jewish feeling? She also blamed Marxists somewhere, and I was insulted by that as well, being a Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyist.

Let's just hope that (s)he never gets a government position, speaks to anyone convincable or gullible, or goes anywhere outside her own country.

Okay, just reading that article made me want to throw up. It is one of the most racist piece of shit I have ever read, and makes me wonder how people like this can exist and be that stupid.

The person is essentially saying that we all must mate with our own race so that the blond "race", apparently hair color counts for race now, must not die out.

How stupid is that? Why should I care if I marry a white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Native American, or any other woman of any ethnicity? Why should that make even an iota of difference? I'm going to date and marry whomever I believe I want to, and I couldn't care less what race they are.

Plus, this person was an obvious Nazi. How many times did (s)he sneak in insults directed at Jews, blaming things on Jews, or just plain anti-Jewish feeling? She also blamed Marxists somewhere, and I was insulted by that as well, being a Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyist.

Let's just hope that (s)he never gets a government position, speaks to anyone convincable or gullible, or goes anywhere outside her own country.

WORD!

Okay, just reading that article made me want to throw up. It is one of the most racist piece of shit I have ever read, and makes me wonder how people like this can exist and be that stupid.

The person is essentially saying that we all must mate with our own race so that the blond "race", apparently hair color counts for race now, must not die out.

How stupid is that? Why should I care if I marry a white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Native American, or any other woman of any ethnicity? Why should that make even an iota of difference? I'm going to date and marry whomever I believe I want to, and I couldn't care less what race they are.

Plus, this person was an obvious Nazi. How many times did (s)he sneak in insults directed at Jews, blaming things on Jews, or just plain anti-Jewish feeling? She also blamed Marxists somewhere, and I was insulted by that as well, being a Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyist.

Let's just hope that (s)he never gets a government position, speaks to anyone convincable or gullible, or goes anywhere outside her own country.

I heartily concur. Hmm, I was under the impression that the majority of Jews were white? And comparing the "genocide" of the "blonde" race to the genocide of Tutsis in Rwanda? :rolleyes: :headbang:

You still haven't explained HOW we are suddenly going to start 'turning white', though.... you seem to imply genetic forms are 'acquired' through need. That idea barely survived Lamarck...

Who cares how it happened. It happened. And it will happen again.

When the West falls, whites die out and civilisation collapses, it'll be a rough couple on millenia. But we'll get through it. We always do.

Okay, just reading that article made me want to throw up. It is one of the most racist piece of shit I have ever read, and makes me wonder how people like this can exist and be that stupid.

The person is essentially saying that we all must mate with our own race so that the blond "race", apparently hair color counts for race now, must not die out.

How stupid is that? Why should I care if I marry a white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Native American, or any other woman of any ethnicity? Why should that make even an iota of difference? I'm going to date and marry whomever I believe I want to, and I couldn't care less what race they are.

Plus, this person was an obvious Nazi. How many times did (s)he sneak in insults directed at Jews, blaming things on Jews, or just plain anti-Jewish feeling? She also blamed Marxists somewhere, and I was insulted by that as well, being a Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyist.

Let's just hope that (s)he never gets a government position, speaks to anyone convincable or gullible, or goes anywhere outside her own country.

The scarier thing is, having 'debated' with Ny Nordland before, I'd say there's a fair chance he/she actually wrote the article in question...

Who cares how it happened. It happened. And it will happen again.

When the West falls, whites die out and civilisation collapses, it'll be a rough couple on millenia. But we'll get through it. We always do.

Who cares how it happened? Well - I'm skeptical, and can see a number of good reasons why 'it' probably WON'T 'happen' again. So - if you want your arguments to carry weight, you are going to have to make at least a token gesture at suggesting why I should not just point at your 'assurances' and laugh.

Kewl...I dont find most of them attractive so it's a subjective opinion. And I believe future generations got a right to look at people like this...

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2091/princessulrika1ju.jpg

Note: I didnt post any "better" pics since this is a PG-13 forum...
She looks like she was at the dentists' with that moronic numb-lip look.

Who cares how it happened? Well - I'm skeptical, and can see a number of good reasons why 'it' probably WON'T 'happen' again. So - if you want your arguments to carry weight, you are going to have to make at least a token gesture at suggesting why I should not just point at your 'assurances' and laugh.

Yes. Because you can predict 3 billion years into the future. You must be some seer. What are this week's lottery numbers?

i won the lottery once!!! it was so cool!!!

The scarier thing is, having 'debated' with Ny Nordland before, I'd say there's a fair chance he/she actually wrote the article in question...Nah. If you actually search for Angry White Female, you'll find her website.

Can somebody explain to me what is White race? Is it only Northern/Western part of Europe, and Northern part of North America, or is it all people with white skin?

Can somebody explain to me what is White race? Is it only Northern/Western part of Europe, and Northern part of North America, or is it all people with white skin?

Native europeans perhaps? People who evolved in Europe? Oh I dont mean neanderthals of course...
White skin isnt always true, few east asians got kinda like white skin but they are definately not white...I remember the girl in japaneese curling team.

Native europeans perhaps? People who evolved in Europe? Oh I dont mean neanderthals of course...
White skin isnt always true, few east asians got kinda like white skin but they are definately not white...I remember the girl in japaneese curling team.

So, Portugals, Croats, Russians, Poles, Serbs, Italians are White people?

So, Portugals, Croats, Russians, Poles, Serbs, Italians are White people?

Yeah, native ones. A black immigrant portugeese isnt white obviously...

Good! Turks, Albanians and Bosnian muslims doesn't count in?

Good! Turks, Albanians and Bosnian muslims doesn't count in?

As far as I know, most turks arent white...Albanians, dunno...Bosnian muslims are white I guess....

As far as I know, most turks arent white...Albanians, dunno...Bosnian muslims are white I guess....

Perfect, you have my voice! (dont read my signature)

Yes. Because you can predict 3 billion years into the future. You must be some seer. What are this week's lottery numbers?

What does that have to do with anything?

I'm not talk about predicting anything, I'm talking about the fact that conditions are unlikely (as our current progression) to favour the situation you suggest is a certainty.

If one of we two is appealing to the unlikely, it would be you my friend...

And when you are called on it, you start on this kind of irrelevent crap.


Seriously - if your 'assurance' that the 'white' phenotype would re-appear if lost is to be taken seriously, you are going to have to show some kind of logical model, because the current human trend is heading AWAY from phenotypical 'purity'.

But, if you were just spouting white-power rhetoric, and have no actual justification for your claims, other than a desparate hope... well, knock yourself out.

Nah. If you actually search for Angry White Female, you'll find her website.

For which Ny Norland could just be a puppet...

It certainly strongly resembles the kind of hollow rhetoric we have seen in Ny Norland threads before.

As far as I know, most turks arent white...Albanians, dunno...Bosnian muslims are white I guess....
Well, then tell me which one of these is white and which one isn't:
http://www.kawo1.rwth-aachen.de/~bar/tom/guers1.jpg
http://www.donau.de/SID_2152e8c4493fe5bd201dee2c8c91c6a5/newsbilder/mzbilder/2006/04/02/gr_250_008_6441921_dpa_176904.jpg
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/images/dynamic/news/galerien/12926.jpg

For which Ny Norland could just be a puppet...

It certainly strongly resembles the kind of hollow rhetoric we have seen in Ny Norland threads before.

LMAO. You know I dont like writing long articles...at least in 1 post....

LMAO. You know I dont like writing long articles...at least in 1 post....

Yes... but if you 'saved up' a few, and then put them together...

Well, then tell me which one of these is white and which one isn't:
http://www.kawo1.rwth-aachen.de/~bar/tom/guers1.jpg
http://www.donau.de/SID_2152e8c4493fe5bd201dee2c8c91c6a5/newsbilder/mzbilder/2006/04/02/gr_250_008_6441921_dpa_176904.jpg
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/images/dynamic/news/galerien/12926.jpg

ummm, btm and top one? maybe the one in the mid? only 1 picture of each makes it hard to tell. They all look southern though...

ummm, btm and top one? maybe the one in the mid? only 1 picture of each makes it hard to tell. They all look southern though...So basically, Turks and Albanians are white, but Germans aren't. :)

What does that have to do with anything?

Well, you're arguing that in the billions of years we have until the sun goes red dwarf, the phenomenon of white skin is unlikely to appear again if it dies out now.

So, Portugals, Croats, Russians, Poles, Serbs, Italians are White people?

Well duh. Of course. What stupid idiot would argue that they aren't?

Well duh. Of course. What stupid idiot would argue that they aren't?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/Kelvan/Michelin.jpg

I have a solution.

You need to send over as many scantily clad, "pure" blonde women to me. They need to provide their own income, and sign a contract releasing me from all childcare necessities. Then, I'll do my part to ensure whities can progress and not get "genocided" by those evil darkies.

Put down the tissue paper and pr0n, men, we need to breed and defend our rights.

:p

Ny Nordland, I'm going to punish you for starting this hideous thread by procreating with as many blonde Scandinavian women as possible, creating an army of beautiful lightly tanned communist maniacs who will rightly kick your arse.

http://great-song-stylists-uk.com/Black%20and%20White%20Minstrels/bw2.JPG

Hail the superior white culture!

(-_-)

White genes are represented but they are repressed. It's because white genes are the most reccessive/least dominant.
Gee, doesn't that mean that, as recessive genes, they're inferior? That they're destined to be bred out?

Face it, you just don't like brown people. And the whole "Jew conspiracy" line of bullshit is ridiculous, too. Please, PLEASE don't breed.

I'm lazy, I dont like writing long posts or searching net. Besides people's opinions are very hard to change...Is it racist to acknowlege whites are getting a VERY small minority, almost to the point of extinction?
You've obviously never been to the Dakotas. The "white race" is doing just fine up here.

Ny, your concern for endangered species and human biodiversity is touching.

Funny how your compassion doesn't seem to include ethnic groups that have been subject to genocide. Like American Indians. Like Jews. Like Muslims. Like Africans.

I don't think it's fair to call you a racist or a white supremacist, though. But "social darwinist" does suit a statistician such as yourself.
Muslims are not a race, by any stretch of imagination, and I will remind you some Arab states actively practised slavery in Africa. I doubt that they have suffered any significant "genocide" at the hand of the West (and no, the Crusades were a war of religions, in which both sides bore part of the blame). Africans often practise genocide on each other, one tribe against the other, much like European nations.

There is nothing wrong with Social Darwinism. We have no obligation to act charitable or be benevolent. It is our prerogative how we act. Sorry if that is too Nietzschean for you.

I care about it enough to take 30 minutes and debate it here...
Ah, a lazy racist.

As Ford Prefect once quipped about a cargo hold full of dead telephone sanitizers, "best kind."

The fact that you -are- concerned about the disappearance of a skin color just proves that you're racist. It's the definition of it, to a tee. You can't get closer to it than that other than by waving a sign around saying "I CARE MORE ABOUT SKIN COLOR THAN ANYTHING ELSE!".
I am not attracted by any colour other than white, pure and simple. I also find it beautiful. If that means I am racist in that I don't want white skin and features to die out, then I really don't give a damn.

You still haven't explained HOW we are suddenly going to start 'turning white', though.... you seem to imply genetic forms are 'acquired' through need. That idea barely survived Lamarck...
Genetic engineering is one way, natural means of evolution failing. I am not too aware of genetic trends, particularly given the West's increasing use of cosmetics and products which often alter environmental factors, so I will take a pass on the biological means of this occuring.

Hmm.

I'm half-Korean. The other half is a mix of white, black, and who knows what else.

My kids are even more mixed than I am.

So, are we white? Korean? Black? What?

I speak English daily, but I also speak German, French, Spanish. I can read and write Hebrew and Aramaic (in addition to the previously mentioned languages), and can speak Ivrit. I am a Pentacostal Christian and a swinger. I vote Republican most of the time, but I have voted for Democrats before, especially in local elections.

So, tell me what I am supposed to be.
Crazy as a shithouse rat? Or at least a class II hypocrite.

She looks like she was at the dentists' with that moronic numb-lip look.
She looks perfectly fine and gorgeous.

She looks perfectly fine and gorgeous.

Looks like one too many injections to the lips really. Anyway, what does it matter if the white race eventually dies out? So our great great grandchildren X 10000 turn brown. So what? The world keep revolving, the earth stays the same. The white race dying out really isn't a great tragedy - white is no different to black, or brown, or whatever.

Looks like one too many injections to the lips really. Anyway, what does it matter if the white race eventually dies out? So our great great grandchildren X 10000 turn brown. So what? The world keep revolving, the earth stays the same. The white race dying out really isn't a great tragedy - white is no different to black, or brown, or whatever.
In terms of biodiversity (phenotypal), it is. It is also the only kind of features and skin colour I find attractive. To be honest, I have pretty much given up caring what happens to future generations. So long as Karmic reincarnation is myth, it has no effect on me. I will lament the loss of white skin and features, but luckily I will not be affected in this lifetime. Either way, I doubt this extinction will take place, primarily due to the advent of genetic engineering.

PS: Her lips are fine. :)

In terms of biodiversity (phenotypal), it is. It is also the only kind of features and skin colour I find attractive. To be honest, I have pretty much given up caring what happens to future generations. So long as Karmic reincarnation is myth, it has no effect on me. I will lament the loss of white skin and features, but luckily I will not be affected in this lifetime.

PS: Her lips are fine. :)

Exactly. It's not going to happen in our generation, or our children or our grandchildrens. So stop bloody worrying.

Dogmatic and agressive, you'd make a fine religious zealot..
ANd by not responding to Jocabia's facts, you make a fine ignorant asshat.

Exactly. It's not going to happen in our generation, or our children or our grandchildrens. So stop bloody worrying.
I'm not worrying. Just saying how sad it will be. As I said in my updated post though, I think this extinction is unlikely, mainly due to scientific advancements.

She looks perfectly fine and gorgeous.
Well, if you're into fine and gorgeous droolers, that's understandable.

Seriously - if your 'assurance' that the 'white' phenotype would re-appear if lost is to be taken seriously, you are going to have to show some kind of logical model, because the current human trend is heading AWAY from phenotypical 'purity'.
Well, if society should crumble, then you'd end up with more white people in northern latitudes simply because of the ability to get vitamin D.
That's why light skin evolved in the first place, people with lighter skin are able to absorb vitamin D through sunlight better. Now we've got all sorts of vitamin supplements though so it doesn't matter as much.

I'm not worrying. Just saying how sad it will be. As I said in my updated post though, I think this extinction is unlikely, mainly due to scientific advancements.

Why would it be sad though? Lord knows we've had our time in the sun - the whites have done more than enough on the planet in the last 2000 or so years. Let another colour have their place in the sun. It won't make a ha'penny's worth of difference. We're all human.

Why would it be sad though? Lord knows we've had our time in the sun - the whites have done more than enough on the planet in the last 2000 or so years. Let another colour have their place in the sun. It won't make a ha'penny's worth of difference. We're all human.
I don't care whether or not we are dominant. I've never believed that whites have to prosper to the exclusion of others- they can prosper alongside- and in fact I deplore colonialism for having actually caused this issue to begin with. Most of our history Southeastern Asia has been dominant as well in any case. It would be sad though to lose some of the phenotypal features of whites, which are some of the most attractive traits in human kind, in my view. To me, they are also the only subjectively attractive ones, although I can recognise beauty objectively in all its forms.

Ive read nearly all of the posts ( you are probably thinking hasnt she got domthing better to do with her life ) and to be frank I am now completely and utterly confused:confused:

p.s
ive got a post on blonde jokes
loads of good ones

Ive read nearly all of the posts ( you are probably thinking hasnt she got domthing better to do with her life ) and to be frank I am now completely and utterly confused:confused:

p.s
ive got a post on blonde jokes
loads of good ones
How about you keep them to yourself.

p.s
ive got a post on blonde jokes
loads of good ones

So tell them already!!!

Muslims are not a race, by any stretch of imagination, and I will remind you some Arab states actively practised slavery in Africa.
I never said Muslims are a race. And Muslims having practiced slavery doesn't disprove that there's been genocide against Muslims.

I doubt that they have suffered any significant "genocide" at the hand of the West (and no, the Crusades were a war of religions, in which both sides bore part of the blame).
I wasn't talking about the crusades, but about former Yugoslavia. And I never said genocide is necessarily at the hand of the West.

Africans often practise genocide on each other, one tribe against the other, much like European nations.
Again, I never said genocide is an invention of the West. All I was saying to Ny is that in history there have in fact been great losses in ethnic (by which I meant racial/cultural) groups, and that these losses are more significant than his presumed extinction of the white race.

There is nothing wrong with Social Darwinism.
Yes there is. It's scientifically false. But that's beside the point. I was using it to describe Ny's reasoning; it's more applicable than "racist" or "white supremacist". His argument was pure social darwinism, whether I approve of it or not.

We have no obligation to act charitable or be benevolent. It is our prerogative how we act. Sorry if that is too Nietzschean for you.
I've got no problem with that. Or with Nietzsche. What made you think I do? My personal conviction is different, but I don't intend to press my moral code upon others. That doesn't keep me from disagreeing with Ny, though. Or you. ;P

Ok, sorry...I didnt realize she was that extreme. I posted it because I agreed some of her points...
Quite possibly the most pathetic attempt at backpedaling I've ever seen! SO which parts do you agree with? The Jew conspiracy part? The horseshit white extinction part? Jesus, pal, why don't you just admit you don't like darkies and get on with life?

*snip*
Good lord people need to stop having kids! "Let's get this food/air deal figured out first, mkay? Kay."

The Gospel According to Bill Hicks. Preach on, brotha!

Well, you're arguing that in the billions of years we have until the sun goes red dwarf, the phenomenon of white skin is unlikely to appear again if it dies out now.

Strawman argument, and you know it.

Another 50 years might see NO people, white or otherwise, left alive. A thousand years might see no humans left on THIS planet. A million years, and we might not even be able to recognise what 'humans' could have become.

In the meantime, you have yet to show ANY reason to support the spurious claim that white skin is somehow 'inevitable'.

So basically, Turks and Albanians are white, but Germans aren't. :)

Yeah, if they were all clones of these 3 people...

Well, if society should crumble, then you'd end up with more white people in northern latitudes simply because of the ability to get vitamin D.
That's why light skin evolved in the first place, people with lighter skin are able to absorb vitamin D through sunlight better. Now we've got all sorts of vitamin supplements though so it doesn't matter as much.

Not to mention, with 'crumbled' society comes lower populations... and with lower populations, coastal resources become attractive again. Vitamin D can easily be obtained from seafood.

Perhaps THAT might explain why so much of the 'boost' in society and culture, took place in places with small landmass in proportion to coastline...

Ny Nordland, I'm going to punish you for starting this hideous thread by procreating with as many blonde Scandinavian women as possible, creating an army of beautiful lightly tanned communist maniacs who will rightly kick your arse.

I hope you arent considering rape...

Gee, doesn't that mean that, as recessive genes, they're inferior? That they're destined to be bred out?

Face it, you just don't like brown people. And the whole "Jew conspiracy" line of bullshit is ridiculous, too. Please, PLEASE don't breed.

Here, another racist post. But oh, I forgot, it's only racist when you say some non-white is inferior. You can always say whites are inferior...As for the answer:


Just so everybody is clear, recessive and inferior are not the same thing. Many genetic diseases (which affect people of all races) are dominant traits but the majority of people do not get the disease because the allele that causes the disease occurs with a much lower frequency than the recessive healthy gene. Blue eyes are not inferior to brown eyes just because brown eyes are dominant, so the extinction of of blue eyes would not be due to inferiority or superiority of either pigment, just the dominance or recessiveness of the genes

Ah, a lazy racist.

As Ford Prefect once quipped about a cargo hold full of dead telephone sanitizers, "best kind."

Well...you are lazy too if you cant read even the 1st post fully and think I believe in jewish conspiracies...

I am not attracted by any colour other than white, pure and simple. I also find it beautiful. If that means I am racist in that I don't what white skin and features to die out, then I really don't give a damn.

Woa, you read my mind. Can I copy and paste it? Because these people seem to be mass-producing same accusations over and over...

Genetic engineering is one way, natural means of evolution failing. I am not too aware of genetic trends, particularly given the West's increasing use of cosmetics and products which often alter environmental factors, so I will take a pass on the biological means of this occuring.

Assuming if such thing is possible...When whites are 2% of all humanity, who will be using this technology to be like them, considering they are extremely few...

The article sounds pretty racist. White supremist Nazis...

Looks like one too many injections to the lips really. Anyway, what does it matter if the white race eventually dies out? So our great great grandchildren X 10000 turn brown. So what? The world keep revolving, the earth stays the same. The white race dying out really isn't a great tragedy - white is no different to black, or brown, or whatever.

Here's a reason...


I am not attracted by any colour other than white, pure and simple. I also find it beautiful. If that means I am racist in that I don't what white skin and features to die out, then I really don't give a damn.


Why it's a big deal when someone argues preserving white race? I'm not arguing anything violent. Why are you so against it?
Oh and white is diferent then black and/or brown. First they are DIFFERENT colours(actually white isnt a colour but you got my point). Second there are differences like facial types, iq levels, etc...

Assuming if such thing is possible...When whites are 2% of all humanity, who will be using this technology to be like them, considering they are extremely few...
Being extremely few might be the very reason that some people would want their children to be genetically engineered to look like those 2% of people, novelty. Who's to say what society will be like at that stage? And you are attracted to talle blonde white girls, yes? Who's to say that there won't be millions of like minded people around the time that whites are in an extreme minority.

Exactly. It's not going to happen in our generation, or our children or our grandchildrens. So stop bloody worrying.

I believe in reincarnation. If you think when you die, you'll be gone forever, then nothing matters.

Here's a reason...



Why it's a big deal when someone argues preserving white race? I'm not arguing anything violent. Why are you so against it?
Oh and white is diferent then black and/or brown. First they are DIFFERENT colours(actually white isnt a colour but you got my point). Second there are differences like facial types, iq levels, etc...
I defy you to prove that skin colour influences one's results in an IQ test.

And white is a colour, isn't it? I thought it was black that wasn't a colour.

I believe in reincarnation. If you think when you die, you'll be gone forever, then nothing matters.

You're going to be SOL when you get reincarnated in a different colour skin...

Why it's a big deal when someone argues preserving white race? I'm not arguing anything violent. Why are you so against it?
Oh and white is diferent then black and/or brown. First they are DIFFERENT colours(actually white isnt a colour but you got my point). Second there are differences like facial types, iq levels, etc...

It's a big deal because it implies that a "race" is something that needs preserving. Hopefully, eventually, skin colour will be seen as important as eye colour or whether or not you can roll your tongue.

Also, IQ levels? Please.

Being extremely few might be the very reason that some people would want their children to be genetically engineered to look like those 2% of people, novelty. Who's to say what society will be like at that stage? And you are attracted to talle blonde white girls, yes? Who's to say that there won't be millions of like minded people around the time that whites are in an extreme minority.

Yeah, we never know the future. Perhaps an undetected astroid will hit and kill us all. The thing is the current trends dont look good. And "pc people" make sure those trends stay in this way. "Pc people" can argue interracial breeds are beautiful (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3339611/) but it's racist to argue "pure" breed are beautiful...

It's a big deal because it implies that a "race" is something that needs preserving. Hopefully, eventually, skin colour will be seen as important as eye colour or whether or not you can roll your tongue.

Also, IQ levels? Please.

"Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic"
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530

Yeah, we never know the future. Perhaps an undetected astroid will hit and kill us all. The thing is the current trends dont look good. And "pc people" make sure those trends stay in this way. "Pc people" can argue interracial breeds are beautiful (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3339611/) but it's racist to argue "pure" breed are beautiful...
The current trend favours those who go on diets and get breast implants. Though I still can't comprehend why, none of those skinny top heavy models are attractive at all. Sooner or later men(and lesbians) will 'vote with their feet' and stop paying them any attention.

Why would it be sad though? Lord knows we've had our time in the sun - the whites have done more than enough on the planet in the last 2000 or so years. Let another colour have their place in the sun. It won't make a ha'penny's worth of difference. We're all human.

Asians will rule the world in a couple decades. It doesnt mean whites have to be extinct. You are one those selfish people who doesnt think future. Ex: People who dont care about global warming because "they'd be dead when oceans rise"

Asians will rule the world in a couple decades. It doesnt mean whites have to be extinct. You are one those selfish people who doesnt think future. Ex: People who dont care about global warming because "they'd be dead when oceans rise"
You're the one that has been saying whites are becoming extinct, now you say they won't be. Make up your mind.

Asians will rule the world in a couple decades. It doesnt mean whites have to be extinct. You are one those selfish people who doesnt think future. Ex: People who dont care about global warming because "they'd be dead when oceans rise"
Asians are some of the most intelligent and hardworking people, so I really wouldn't mind them ruling the world. Now, when you say "rule the world", I'm assuming that you don't mean that anyone who's not Asian will be a slave, because that would be a ridiculous statement. What I think you mean is that their countries will have the best economies. And lifestyles. I could dig that.

Woa, you read my mind. Can I copy and paste it? Because these people seem to be mass-producing same accusations over and over...
Feel free. :) Sig it even, if you like.

I never said Muslims are a race. And Muslims having practiced slavery doesn't disprove that there's been genocide against Muslims.
I am just trying to ascertain that you are not one of these people who believe they can do nothing wrong.


Yes there is. It's scientifically false. But that's beside the point. I was using it to describe Ny's reasoning; it's more applicable than "racist" or "white supremacist". His argument was pure social darwinism, whether I approve of it or not.
Cultural social darwinism does exist.

I've got no problem with that. Or with Nietzsche. What made you think I do? My personal conviction is different, but I don't intend to press my moral code upon others. That doesn't keep me from disagreeing with Ny, though. Or you. ;P
Fair enough.

Assuming if such thing is possible...When whites are 2% of all humanity, who will be using this technology to be like them, considering they are extremely few...
It may well be within our grasp this century. Genetics are advancing rapidly. Unless some massive destruction occurs, science will continue progressing. :)

Hi,

This is my first thread with this forum so sorry if none of you know me. Nordland, some of the things your friend said in her letter really repulsed me-I think it's essential people take pride in the race and culture but that doesn’t mean she has the right to discriminate against others or somehow 'grade' a race.

On the other hand if she feels so strongly about the issue then she shouldn't just shut it away to be politically correct. But if you do have something to say at least make it constructive, your friend just resorted to using stereotyping and abuse to get her point across and this will just make reasonable people just switch off.

Hope I made a good point

You're the one that has been saying whites are becoming extinct, now you say they won't be. Make up your mind.

You didnt get the point. Read the post I was answering to...

Yeah, we never know the future. Perhaps an undetected astroid will hit and kill us all. The thing is the current trends dont look good. And "pc people" make sure those trends stay in this way. "Pc people" can argue interracial breeds are beautiful (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3339611/) but it's racist to argue "pure" breed are beautiful...
Ignore them then. There are articles which show why the exact opposite lies true by the way, ie why interbreeds are occassionally more beautiful (I don't find them so) but tend to be less attractive to purebreeds on the whole.

Asians are some of the most intelligent and hardworking people, so I really wouldn't mind them ruling the world. Now, when you say "rule the world", I'm assuming that you don't mean that anyone who's not Asian will be a slave, because that would be a ridiculous statement. What I think you mean is that their countries will have the best economies. And lifestyles. I could dig that.

What I mean they'll be dominant, because their economies will be bigger and that'll bring a military power, like USA...

Why it's a big deal when someone argues preserving white race? I'm not arguing anything violent. Why are you so against it?
Oh and white is diferent then black and/or brown. First they are DIFFERENT colours(actually white isnt a colour but you got my point). Second there are differences like facial types, iq levels, etc...
IQ, not so much. Yes, it is genetic, though it is the result of generations of cultural behaviours. So things may change. I think we will eventually be faced with a world whose IQ is falling on average, due to decaying cultural production and intellectual activity.

Hi,

This is my first thread with this forum so sorry if none of you know me. Nordland, some of the things your friend said in her letter really repulsed me-I think it's essential people take pride in the race and culture but that doesn’t mean she has the right to discriminate against others or somehow 'grade' a race.

On the other hand if she feels so strongly about the issue then she shouldn't just shut it away to be politically correct. But if you do have something to say at least make it constructive, your friend just resorted to using stereotyping and abuse to get her point across and this will just make reasonable people just switch off.

Hope I made a good point

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Posting an article about thick-lipped oogaboogas and Jewish overlords probably doesn't help your argument...

It may well be within our grasp this century. Genetics are advancing rapidly. Unless some massive destruction occurs, science will continue progressing. :)

Yeah but whites will be too few and the world will be dominated by asians. It is unlikely that people will want to be like something 2% of the population, when all models are asian, etc...

Yeah but whites will be too few and the world will be dominated by asians. It is unlikely that people will want to be like something 2% of the population, when all models are asian, etc...
Within the next century? Unlikely. The Economist predicts such huge demographic changes will not occur rapidly.

What I mean they'll be dominant, because their economies will be bigger and that'll bring a military power, like USA...
Notwithstanding the possiblity of disintegrating within, and/or actually annihilating each other.

Within the next century? Unlikely. The Economist predicts such huge demographic changes will not occur rapidly.

Perhaps, by the end of century...If current trends continue, Europe's population will be 7% of the world in 2050. What'll be in 2100? 3%? How many of them will be white? Yeah there are other whites outside europe but their population is declining too...

Perhaps, by the end of century...If current trends continue, Europe's population will be 7% of the world in 2050. What'll be in 2100? 3%? How many of them will be white? Yeah there are other whites outside europe but their population is declining too...
I have serious doubts that Europe will be 7% white by 2050. Its policies towards immigration may have rapidly changed within this time frame. Genetic research could be advanced enough even by then though. Don't despair. :p

Perhaps, by the end of century...If current trends continue, Europe's population will be 7% of the world in 2050. What'll be in 2100? 3%? How many of them will be white? Yeah there are other whites outside europe but their population is declining too...
Do these figures take into account the fact that China's population is going to stop growing, due to the one child policy, especially with how there will be a shortage of women?

Also, do you have any links to support your claims?

I am not attracted by any colour other than white, pure and simple. I also find it beautiful. If that means I am racist in that I don't want white skin and features to die out, then I really don't give a damn.
Fair enough. I could understand where you're coming from, but I feel compelled to add that in my school, there are a whole lot of cute and pretty brown girls, black girls, asian girls, etc, so it's all good as far as I'm concerned.

Now, answer this honestly: Do you get pissed off or annoyed when you see a black man with a white woman? I bet you do.

Fair enough. I could understand where you're coming from, but I feel compelled to add that in my school, there are a whole lot of cute and pretty brown girls, black girls, asian girls, etc, so it's all good as far as I'm concerned.
Which is fine, but not everyone is attracted to all colours. I can objectively find beauty in non-whites, but still, I only find whites attractive, and I would lament the loss of white beauty.

Now, answer this honestly: Do you get pissed off or annoyed when you see a black man with a white woman? I bet you do.
Yeah, it bothers me a little, but being libertarian I don't think it is my place to tell them what to do. If they are in love, there is nothing I could or would do to stop them.

I have serious doubts that Europe will be 7% white by 2050. Its policies towards immigration may have rapidly changed within this time frame. Genetic research could be advanced enough even by then though. Don't despair. :p

LOL. I dont despair, I just say trends needs to change...

Yeah but whites will be too few and the world will be dominated by asians. It is unlikely that people will want to be like something 2% of the population, when all models are asian, etc...
Then that will mean that asians are the more attractive race, and not caucasians. Also, Asians tend to be as smart if not smarter than caucasians, and usually harder workers, so in that scenario (assuming the positive habits of asians persist) it really wouldn't be such a big deal if caucasians were a minority.

Then that will mean that asians are the more attractive race, and not caucasians. Also, Asians tend to be as smart if not smarter than caucasians, and usually harder workers, so in that scenario (assuming the positive habits of asians persist) it really wouldn't be such a big deal if caucasians were a majority.
Due to cultural habits, not racial genetics.

Yeah, it bothers me a little, but being libertarian I don't think it is my place to tell them what to do. If they are in love, there is nothing I could or would do to stop them.
What if you see a white man with a black woman? Does that also bother you?

LOL. I dont despair, I just say trends needs to change...
A lot can change in 50 years.

Due to cultural habits, not racial genetics.
Ok, cultural habits. What matters is the result, not the reason for it.

What if you see a white man with a black woman? Does that also bother you?
Same. It has the same effect. I am pretty much feminist, so I don't think what applies for a man doesn't apply for a woman.

Same. It has the same effect. I am pretty much feminist, so I don't think what applies for a man doesn't apply for a woman.
Are you a girl then?

Ok, cultural habits. What matters is the result, not the reason for it.
Indeed. Although not all Asian cultures foment intellectuality and hard work.

LOL. I dont despair, I just say trends needs to change...

Well you know, killing lots of non-whites would help reverse trends. Don't you agree?

Are you a girl then?
You assume I am a girl because I am feminist? :p No. But my preferences are those of a girl.

Indeed. Although not all Asian cultures foment intellectuality and hard work.
Most do. I mean East Asian in particular.

Well you know, killing lots of non-whites would help reverse trends. Don't you agree?
Did he advocate this? Otherwise, it is a strawman.

Most do. I mean East Asian in particular.
If by that you mean Japan, China and, to an extent, India, then yes. Although some predominantly white cultures, like the German one, do promote both hard work and intellectual rigour.

A friend of mine had sent me this article a couple days ago. I wanted to post it here and see what you think. Now, I remember reading the news this story mentions. It turned out to be bogus but for a few days everyone thought it was real. So the reactions here are the reactions if the news was true. Besides, blonds will probably be extinct IF current trends continue (shrinking white population vs growing world population), given that blond and white genes are the most reccessive genes.



Btw, I dont agree with everything she says. Especially 'blaming it all on jews'. But she's got some points...
This article is bull. "It's all the Jews Fault" my ass!

Did he advocate this?

No. But then he hasn't posed any real solution to this "problem." Other than deporting anyone who isn't Nordic enough to his satisfaction - which of course wouldn't reverse population growth trends at all anyway...

Do these figures take into account the fact that China's population is going to stop growing, due to the one child policy, especially with how there will be a shortage of women?

Also, do you have any links to support your claims?

1) Europe's population is obviously declining.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8804/e02worldpopdistr1jb.gif

2) USA's birth rate is close to replecement (Total fertility rate:2.09 children born/woman (2006 est.)) level but...


White women and non-Hispanic White women had fertility levels significantly below the replacement level, averaging 1.9 and 1.8 births per woman respectively.


http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-548.pdf (page 3)

3) Canada : Total fertility rate: 1.61 children born/woman (2006 est.)
Australia: Total fertility rate: 1.76 children born/woman (2006 est.)
New Zealand: Total fertility rate: 1.79 children born/woman (2006 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

4)Of course there are whites outside Europe, North America, Aus&NZ but majority of whites is in these areas so any gains outside these areas(if any) wont be enough to cover the loss in Europe, etc...
Result: White population declines fast. Period

No. But then he hasn't posed any real solution to this "problem." Other than deporting anyone who isn't Nordic enough to his satisfaction - which of course wouldn't reverse population growth trends at all anyway...

Anti-immigration and pro-natal policies...

No. But then he hasn't posed any real solution to this "problem." Other than deporting anyone who isn't Nordic enough to his satisfaction - which of course wouldn't reverse population growth trends at all anyway...
Were non-white countries to grow rapidly in terms of wealth, immigration to the West would fall very fast. So that is one possible solution or, more practically, outcome.

Most do. I mean East Asian in particular.

Yes, I especially admire Japaneese culture...

Then that will mean that asians are the more attractive race, and not caucasians. Also, Asians tend to be as smart if not smarter than caucasians, and usually harder workers, so in that scenario (assuming the positive habits of asians persist) it really wouldn't be such a big deal if caucasians were a minority.

To me it is. And I'm not trying to convince asians, but I'm trying to convince us....

A lot can change in 50 years.

Yep...but no harm done when I point to "bad" trends...

If by that you mean Japan, China and, to an extent, India, then yes. Although some predominantly white cultures, like the German one, do promote both hard work and intellectual rigour.
Yes. Those are the ones I had in mind. I didn't know about Germany, but hey, I guess there must be a reason why there's so many good German engineers! (not genetics)

To me it is. And I'm not trying to convince asians, but I'm trying to convince us....
OK, well everyone is biased in one way or another, so that's fine. However, you don't have the right to take away other people's rights and opportunities for success. That's all I'm saying.

Yes, I especially admire Japaneese culture...
likewise.

Yes. Those are the ones I had in mind. I didn't know about Germany, but hey, I guess there must be a reason why there's so many good German engineers! (not genetics)
And philosophers, artists, economists and the list goes on.

Yes, I especially admire Japaneese culture...
It mirrors the German one in many ways, which is definitely good.

And philosophers, artists, economists and the list goes on.
But Germany is known primarily for its feats of engineering. The Japanese are known for their electronics, the french for their wine, the americans for...um, rock and roll?

But Germany is known primarily for its feats of engineering. The Japanese are known for their electronics, the french for their wine, the americans for...um, rock and roll?
Study pre-1918 Germany and the Hapsburg Empire, and maybe you'll form a different opinion.

Anti-immigration and pro-natal policies...

Pro-natal? So, discouraging birth control, incouraging women to stay home and raise children?

Bloody hell, we're all human beings at the end of the day. Our ancestors looked different to us and so will our decendants. Who cares.

It mirrors the German one in many ways, which is definitely good.

Ironically their birth rate is down in the toilet too...

Ironically their birth rate is down in the toilet too...
But in Japan, isn't the birth rate rising? Also, their women have less rights.

Ironically their birth rate is down in the toilet too...
It is the result of Westernisation (ie wealth accumulation). Not that this is bad by any stretch of imagination, but it has its drawbacks.

Pro-natal? So, discouraging birth control, incouraging women to stay home and raise children?

No. A bit like what france is doing mixed with nordic system and more creativity...France and nordic countries are significantly above the avarage of european birth rates...

But in Japan, isn't the birth rate rising? Also, their women have less rights.

Japan: Total fertility rate: 1.4 children born/woman (2006 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ja.html

To Ny Nordland: Are you really from Norway, and do you live there? The reason I'm asking is because it seems to me like you have flawless English skills. Not that I'm kissing your ass or anything.

No. A bit like what france is doing mixed with nordic system and more creativity...France and nordic countries are significantly above the avarage of european birth rates...
How do they do this exactly? Russia could take lessons.

To Ny Nordland: Are you really from Norway, and do you live there? The reason I'm asking is because it seems to me like you have flawless English skills. Not that I'm kissing your ass or anything.
Scandinavians are near fluency in English, on average.

Scandinavians are near fluency in English, on average.
Nearly as fluent as say, Americans?

Nearly as fluent as say, Americans?
*Giggles*

More.

To Ny Nordland: Are you really from Norway, and do you live there? The reason I'm asking is because it seems to me like you have flawless English skills. Not that I'm kissing your ass or anything.

Weird...In the other thread they were telling me I dont speak english very well...

Btw, I dont agree with everything she says. Especially 'blaming it all on jews'. But she's got some points...

Your friend needs a good slap in the face. That article is pure shite.

Weird...In the other thread they were telling me I dont speak english very well...
Maybe you were hammered?

*Giggles*

More.
Not rednecks, goddang it!

Weird...In the other thread they were telling me I dont speak english very well...
It is likely they were stooping to ad-hominem attacks to undermine you. Your English is above that of the average American.

Your friend needs a good slap in the face. That article is pure shite.
I tend to agree with you 110%.

If you're talking about the birthrates of different cultures, by FAR the largest contributor to the reduction of the birthrate is the average education level of the women. The reduction of "white" birthrates is a misleading argument. The birthrate is low in ANY community where the women have a high level of education. Furthermore, the "white race" going "extinct" is also nonsensical. Between-race heritability differences are MUCH smaller than within-race differences. In other words, any community of any color or society is likely to have a good sample of all human genetic diversity. The exceptions are in societies that don't interbreed and remain genetically isolated for long periods of time, or in societies that are effected by natural selection (the reason why many people of african descent are resistant to maleria and many people of european descent are resistant to cholera). Blond hair and blue eyes are useless mutations perpetuated by sexual selection within formerly isolated communities. In this huge surge of globalization, these special "exceptions" are no longer applicable, because we are less and less the products of natural selection, and less and less isolated.

In short, particular alleles will not "die out" or "go extinct" - the standard deviation of allele frequencies will just slowly diminish (IE there will be less "unusual" products of mutations). The FAR bigger problem is the effect on other plant and animal species that ARE still greatly effected by natural selection. It's estimated that within a number of decades, maybe 100 years or so, most cases of particular biomes will look the same wherever they are in the world. Grassland in north america will look just like grassland in europe, south america, and africa.

Blond hair and blue eyes are useless mutations perpetuated by sexual selection within formerly isolated communities. In this huge surge of globalization, these special "exceptions" are no longer applicable, because we are less and less the products of natural selection, and less and less isolated.
They are also extremely beautiful, hence not useless.

In short, particular alleles will not "die out" or "go extinct" - the standard deviation of allele frequencies will just slowly diminish (IE there will be less "unusual" products of mutations). The FAR bigger problem is the effect on other plant and animal species that ARE still greatly effected by natural selection. It's estimated that within a number of decades, maybe 100 years or so, most cases of particular biomes will look the same wherever they are in the world. Grassland in north america will look just like grassland in europe, south america, and africa.
This is happening with tigers (ie extinction). I think their population numbers at the most at 1000. A shame, because they are the most beautiful creatures alive, not to mention powerful. Biodiversity will be severely limited. This is off-topic though.

No. A bit like what france is doing mixed with nordic system and more creativity...France and nordic countries are significantly above the avarage of european birth rates...

Could you explain in more detail? We don't get much news here about France, except when they're having riots or opposing Bush.

They are also extremely beautiful, hence not useless.

Heh, hence the "perpetuated by sexual selection" bit. =)

You find them beautiful because your ancestors found them beautiful. And because your ancestors found them beautiful, the ones WITH the traits were selected for - they left more offspring! So you're right, they aren't useless because they are attractive within a certain heritage.

They ARE, however, completely arbitrary traits. The things that your ancestors found beautiful could have just as well been hairy noses, bushy eyebrows, six toes, or long/short arms/necks/legs/nails etc. I was making a point that blonde hair and blue eyes are in no way intrinsically beautiful or "superior" - they are by-products of an arbitrary process. So they aren't meaningful genetic differences. They are, in fact, completely cosmetic and unnecesary for a successful humanity.

I hope you arent considering rape...


You, sir/madame, are an idiot.

It is perfectly possible for us darkies to hook up with white people without resorting to rape.

[QUOTE=Sir Darwin] The things that your ancestors found beautiful could have just as well been hairy noses, bushy eyebrows, six toes, or long/short arms/necks/legs/nails etc.[QUOTE]

Well I find horses quite beautiful, but I dont want to mate with them. Not all of our perceptions are based on genes.

They ARE, however, completely arbitrary traits. The things that your ancestors found beautiful could have just as well been hairy noses, bushy eyebrows, six toes, or long/short arms/necks/legs/nails etc. I was making a point that blonde hair and blue eyes are in no way intrinsically beautiful or "superior" - they are by-products of an arbitrary process. So they aren't meaningful genetic differences. They are, in fact, completely cosmetic and unnecesary for a successful humanity.
I don't buy into the utilitarian argument though when it comes to beauty.

Furthermore, I am not too sure if you are entirely correct. Apparently, white skin and features generally arose from environmental circumstances. Nowadays natural selection might be what keeps them in place though.

They are also extremely beautiful, hence not useless.
Beauty is highly subjective. I for one do not like blonds or with blue eyes. I tend to like men with brown hair and I think that women with red hair are beautiful. I also like brown eyes and green eyes but not really blue ones.

Beauty is highly subjective. I for one do not like blonds or with blue eyes. I tend to like men with brown hair and I think that women with red hair are beautiful. I also like brown eyes and green eyes but not really blue ones.
Exactly why I would lament predominantly white features vanishing.

Well I find horses quite beautiful, but I dont want to mate with them. Not all of our perceptions are based on genes.

I think you may be surprised. The easiest sense with which to demonstrate the science of attractiveness is sound. There are very good reasons why people find major thirds and octaves pleasing - when the sound waves overlap, the resulting harmonic is very regular and symmetrical. Minor fifths (also called tritones) and minor seconds, however, sound dissonant and unsettling because the resulting harmonic is very irregular. What's the moral of this story? The sounds that you find the most beautiful are precisely the sounds that project nicely defined patterns onto your sensory organs (a spiraling tube lined with "hairs" of nerve endings)!

Visual beauty is much the same way. "Attractive" people are the ones that you unconsciously find the most average! Your brain looks at symmetry first, such as spacing of the eyes, nose, mouth, ears, cheeks etc. Your brain also looks for other signs of health, such as skin color and texture (this was a product of natural selection). I've actually done a small study (sample size 20) that I based off of many much larger studies. It went like this - select a large number of attractive people, take their pictures, and show them to people who rate their attractiveness on a scale from one to 10. Along with the real pictures, generate one lifelife computer aggregate of the average european woman (have the computer take the exact average of every facial feature). The artificial average is consistantly voted to be the most beautiful.

*snip*
It's related to the golden ratio of beauty too, isn't it? The perfect symmetry for a face.

Kewl...I dont find most of them attractive so it's a subjective opinion. And I believe future generations got a right to look at people like this...

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2091/princessulrika1ju.jpg

Note: I didnt post any "better" pics since this is a PG-13 forum...
Dude, seriously, she's a hag. You have no taste in women at all if you "don't find most of them [brown women] attractive".

Dude, seriously, she's a hag. You have no taste in women at all if you "don't find most of them [brown women] attractive".
Actually, she's hot. I would love to look like her were I to be a woman.

It's related to the golden ratio of beauty too, isn't it? The perfect symmetry for a face.

Right! Our sense of the golden ration comes directly from our inherant sense of proportion. Pretty much every significant attribute of beauty that we can find stems in some way from the natural world, and thus our past of natural selection.

Another good example is taste. We like the taste of grass from a wheat farm but not the taste of grass from our lawns. Our brain is able to determine a sense of reletive "attractiveness" based on what is good for us or not! Animals who eat better food tend to survive better. Animals who tend to mate with other animals who are likely to be successful are more successful themselves. It's safe to say that every animal has a sense of reletive beauty, though perhaps theirs is much more simplified to the point of being compulsory. Our sense of beauty is more of a whisper or suggestion.

Right! Our sense of the golden ration comes directly from our inherant sense of proportion. Pretty much every significant attribute of beauty that we can find stems in some way from the natural world, and thus our past of natural selection.
I didn't think this had any genetic basis though.

Exactly why I would lament predominantly white features vanishing.
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Blondes are found among all racial groups as are redheads. As are blue eyes and as are green eyes. Such features are also not going to vanish anytime soon.

And what you said makes no sense with what I said. You said that blonde hair is beautiful. I said that beauty is subjective and that I don't like blondes.

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Blondes are found among all racial groups as are redheads. As are blue eyes and as are green eyes. Such features are also not going to vanish anytime soon.
I don't think they are either, but I only like them in combination with white skin. I am not sure if they can combine naturally with darker (or non-white) skin, anyway.

And what you said makes no sense with what I said. You said that blonde hair is beautiful. I said that beauty is subjective and that I don't like blondes.
You mentioned red hair, so it makes perfect sense.

I didn't think this had any genetic basis though.

Neither did any scientist, until we did some clever experiments with babies (who are uneffected by social influences). There's no such thing as a "pi gene" or "golden ration gene", but your genes DO set up your brain in such a way that it recognizes certain things to be more attractive that others, as I've shown above.

Neither did any scientist, until we did some clever experiments with babies (who are uneffected by social influences). There's no such thing as a "pi gene" or "golden ration gene", but your genes DO set up your brain in such a way that it recognizes certain things to be more attractive that others, as I've shown above.
How peculiar. I suppose though if sexuality is at least partially affected by genetics, then why not sexual attraction in its entirety?

After reading this article, I have decided to break up with my brown-eyed girlfriend and find a girl with blue eyes to make sure our child will keep the blue eye color going into the next generation! Oh wait... I'm kidding. In fact, I probably won't even have kids! I am clearly exterminating my very own blue-eyed, brown-haired culture! Egads!

How peculiar. I suppose though if sexuality is at least partially affected by genetics, then why not sexual attraction in its entirety?

Because your DNA also sets up your brain in such a way as to be a poweful, dynamic, semi free-willed entity. There are plenty of people who choose not to have kids at all, but that doesn't change the fact that most of our behaviors are heavily influenced by our genes.

In layman's terms. White skin absorbs Vitamin D more easily, which is necessary as Europe gets more sunlight.
???

Wha???

Europe gets more sunlight...thaaaaaannnn?

Could you try to make this point again, only this time make sense?

???

Wha???

Europe gets more sunlight...thaaaaaannnn?

Could you try to make this point again, only this time make sense?
:rolleyes: He clearly meant less.

I don't think they are either, but I only like them in combination with white skin. I am not sure if they can combine with darker (or non-white) skin, anyway.
They can. Especially among the pashtuns and indigenous australians. And like I mentioned, not everyone shares your ideas of beauty.

You mentioned red hair, so it makes perfect sense.
Red hair, which also occurs in "non-white" racial groups.

They can. Especially among the pashtuns and indigenous australians. And like I mentioned, not everyone shares your ideas of beauty.
I honestly am un-phased by what other people do or do not do. They remain my preferences, and so I will lament the loss of white skin, were it to happen.

Red hair, which also occurs in "non-white" racial groups.
Does this continue for generations though? Say onto a person who is the result of generations of interbreeding.

I am not attracted by any colour other than white, pure and simple. I also find it beautiful. If that means I am racist in that I don't want white skin and features to die out, then I really don't give a damn.
Whether it makes you racist or not is an open question. What it does make you is blind and/or tasteless.

Whether it makes you racist or not is an open question. What it does make you is blind and/or tasteless.
Well, then I am just blind and tasteless. Oh, and maybe racist. :) Poor me.

Sieg Heil. Tee-hee.

Here, another racist post. But oh, I forgot, it's only racist when you say some non-white is inferior. You can always say whites are inferior...As for the answer:
Nice dodge. Try again.

No, my poor, misguided walnut, YOU are seeming to imply that whites are inferior by this mindless yammering about extinction.

Well, then I am just blind and tasteless. Oh, and maybe racist. :) Poor me.

Sieg Heil. Tee-hee.

O.O
If you wear a girl...you'd fit right in with this ballet teacher I knew...

O.O
If you wear a girl...you'd fit right in with this ballet teacher I knew...
Hmm, how so?

Does this continue for generations though? Say onto a person who is the result of generations of interbreeding.
Red hair exists in many racial groups that aren't white and have persisted for many generations, just like blonde hair.

Actually blond hair is recessive to red hair.

And again, white skin or "white traits" are not going to die out. Calm down.

Red hair exists in many racial groups that aren't white and have persisted for many generations, just like blonde hair.

Actually blond hair is recessive to red hair.
Cool, didn't know that. Maybe in the future we could even engineer it to be non-recessive, although I am not sure if this is possible.

There are probably alot of reasons for this. One reason i think is when lil hoes go out an get themselves pregnant and they decide they dont want the kid, they have an abortion which is straight up manslaughter anyways, an should be shot. :gundge: But of coarse thats not the only reason. It could be some white women dont want kids, give them up for adoption ect.

There are probably alot of reasons for this. One reason i think is when lil hoes go out an get themselves pregnant and they decide they dont want the kid, they have an abortion which is straight up manslaughter anyways, an should be shot. :gundge: But of coarse thats not the only reason. It could be some white women dont want kids, give them up for adoption ect.
Cool. Reasoned and coherent. Ever considered becoming a philosopher?

Maybe in the future we could even engineer it to be non-recessive, although I am not sure if this is possible.
Why would one want to do that?

There are probably alot of reasons for this. One reason i think is when lil hoes go out an get themselves pregnant and they decide they dont want the kid, they have an abortion which is straight up manslaughter anyways, an should be shot. :gundge: But of coarse thats not the only reason. It could be some white women dont want kids, give them up for adoption ect.
:rolleyes:

Apart from the complete idiocy of this entire post. In the U.S., minority women have more abortions than white women.

Why would one want to do that?
So they aren't so uncommon. It's not their rarity that makes them attractive to me, if that is what you think. To the contrary, rarity is already enough of a problem for me. I don't see why any of the genes determining colours should be recessive. If genetics can alter that, all the better.

did someone mention eyes? (http://www.mosaics-art.com/afghangirl.jpg)

So they aren't so uncommon. It's not their rarity that makes them attractive to me, if that is what you think. To the contrary, rarity is already enough of a problem for me. I don't see why any of the genes determining colours should be recessive. If genetics can alter that, all the better.
Well, considering blonde comes in a bottle now. Scandanavia has the highest % of peroxide blondes in the world and no one's the wiser.

???

Wha???

Europe gets more sunlight...thaaaaaannnn?

Could you try to make this point again, only this time make sense?I'm pretty sure Kievan Prussia meant to say "less" sunlight. That makes some sense, no?

Well, considering blonde comes in a bottle now. Scandanavia has the highest % of peroxide blondes in the world and no one's the wiser.
If it can be done via a "natural" means (it won't be, initially) all the better. No more peroxide, no more fussy hair dyes, no potential risk to your hair (assuming perfection of the techniques). With eyes it's a lot more difficult to alter their colour. Properly designed contacts cost a fortune, and still don't achieve a realistic look. As for skin, it is impossible. So genetics is the future of beauty. Personally, I cannot wait until they create real violet eyes.

I'm pretty sure Kievan Prussia meant to say "less" sunlight. That makes some sense, no?
One would think. Assuming his intention was actually to clarify, and not to insult KP.

If it can be done via a "natural" means (it won't be, initially) all the better. No more peroxide, no more fussy hair dyes, no potential risk to your hair (assuming perfection of the techniques). With eyes it's a lot more difficult to alter their colour. Properly designed contacts cost a fortune, and still don't achieve a realistic look. As for skin, it is impossible. So genetics is the future of beauty. Personally, I cannot wait until they create real violet eyes.
Look, it's a pretty stupid thing to have gene therapy to make blonde hair dominant. First of all, it probably wouldn't work. Secondly, why on earth are you talking about my hair? I wouldn't dye my hair blonde, apart from having the wrong skin tone for it, blonde is so overdone.

You sound scary to me, really.

Look, it's a pretty stupid thing to have gene therapy to make blonde hair dominant. First of all, it probably wouldn't work. Secondly, why on earth are you talking about my hair? I wouldn't dye my hair blonde, apart from having the wrong skin tone for it, blonde is so overdone.

You sound scary to me, really.
Your hair? :rolleyes: Substitute it with "one's" hair and you'll get the intended meaning. Sorry then if I seem scary to you...

I see nothing stupid in using gene therapy that way. In fact, I am sure the beauty industry will one day see this potential application of genetics. And I for one, will embrace it. I am not so sure whether or not genetics can change recession to dominance, but time will tell. At least one will be able to select what features they'd like, as well as pre-select them for their babies.

Your hair? :rolleyes: Substitute it with "one's" hair and you'll get the intended meaning. Sorry then if I seem scary to you...

I see nothing stupid in using gene therapy that way. In fact, I am sure the beauty industry will one day see this potential application of genetics. And I for one, will embrace it. I am not so sure whether or not genetics can change recession to dominance, but time will tell. At least one will be able to select what features they'd like, as well as pre-select them for their babies.
No, you don't sound scary because you're talking about my hair. You sound scary for the gene therapy crap. It's disgusting that you would first of all suggest manipulating nature like this and secondly act as though because you like blonde hair and blue eyes, they should be dominant alleles and the majority of the hair and eye colour. It's creepy...

No, you don't sound scary because you're talking about my hair. You sound scary for the gene therapy crap. It's disgusting that you would first of all suggest manipulating nature like this and secondly act as though because you like blonde hair and blue eyes, they should be dominant alleles and the majority of the hair and eye colour. It's creepy...
I didn't say the majority. The other ones would also be dominant.

And I find nothing disgusting about it, nor creepy. We have the power to manipulate nature and ourselves, why not use it? But if you still find me scary, what can I say. Your choice.

1) Europe's population is obviously declining.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8804/e02worldpopdistr1jb.gif

2) USA's birth rate is close to replecement (Total fertility rate:2.09 children born/woman (2006 est.)) level but...



http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-548.pdf (page 3)

3) Canada : Total fertility rate: 1.61 children born/woman (2006 est.)
Australia: Total fertility rate: 1.76 children born/woman (2006 est.)
New Zealand: Total fertility rate: 1.79 children born/woman (2006 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

4)Of course there are whites outside Europe, North America, Aus&NZ but majority of whites is in these areas so any gains outside these areas(if any) wont be enough to cover the loss in Europe, etc...
Result: White population declines fast. Period

Your figures should indicate the white population in America is in decline. It's not. It should also show that it is in decline in most other countries with white people in them. It's not.

I love how you put up evidence that could lead to a decline in the white population, but you avoid simply showing the world white population and what it was say ten years ago (hint: it won't help your case).

White people are not dying out. You've never shown anything that evidences otherwise.

So, we've all had to wade through 30 pages of racist bullshit, backpedaling from racist bullshit, and pointless nattering about genetics by people who know nothing about genetics because -- some people like to bang blondes? :rolleyes: Ny, Europa, let me explain something to you both: you are both going to be dead, buried, and no longer needing a lay looooooong before the world sees anything like a blonde shortage. So kindly either relax, or find some other weak front for your "yippee-it's-best-to-be-white" crap.

If you are not racists, as you say, then you should be able to understand this:

1. "Race" is largely a myth. There is no functional difference and very little genetic difference between populations, no matter how different they may look from each other. The features that are used to identify "race" are only superficial variations, like the difference between a brown horse and a spotted horse. A few are environmental adaptations tens of thousands years of old, most are the results of selective reproduction by isolated population groups. Many have nothing to do with genetics at all but are controlled by factors such as lifestyle and diet. For instance, as modern Japanese children eat more wheat than rice, they are growing taller and bigger, and as they grow up sitting in western-style chairs rather than kneeling on traditional floor cushions, their leg bones do not develop the bend that was once considered a racial trait. (Several years ago, an article in The Economist about newly affluent young Japanese women mentioned that older people were actually feeling shocked by the appearance of all these young women who were more than a head taller than their parents. I wonder how Nordic children might change if they grew up eating a different diet or playing different kinds of sports.)

2. There is no such thing as a "pure race." Throughout all of human history, population migrations have caused people to intermarry with foreigners over and over again. Those mixed genes remain within each of us today. This idea that you can somehow filter out "other" DNA is ridiculous. There is no other DNA. It's all human DNA.

3. This so-called "white race" is nothing but blondism, a mix of superficial appearance markers -- blond hair, blue eyes, pale skin. Each of these can appear in a person separately or together. And they all can appear in ANY racial group, if a family contains the genes for them, which they could have picked up at any time in the last 7000 years, at least (I believe that's the oldest age of human DNA available for testing against modern people).

4. The claim that the "white race" is becoming "extinct" is an utterly bogus racist myth that's been floating around for more than 100 years. It is not true. Get over it.

In terms of biodiversity (phenotypal), it is. It is also the only kind of features and skin colour I find attractive. To be honest, I have pretty much given up caring what happens to future generations. So long as Karmic reincarnation is myth, it has no effect on me. I will lament the loss of white skin and features, but luckily I will not be affected in this lifetime. Either way, I doubt this extinction will take place, primarily due to the advent of genetic engineering.

PS: Her lips are fine. :)

Ugh! If people find it attractive it will persist. If people don't, it won't. If it's important as a phenotype then you're theories are bullocks. And if it's not, then why should anyone care?

*snip*
Yeah, I am aware of all of this.

3. This so-called "white race" is nothing but blondism, a mix of superficial appearance markers -- blond hair, blue eyes, pale skin. Each of these can appear in a person separately or together. And they all can appear in ANY racial group, if a family contains the genes for them, which they could have picked up at any time in the last 7000 years, at least (I believe that's the oldest age of human DNA available for testing against modern people).
I wasn't aware until earlier that they can actually coexist with darker (or any non-white) skin colours.

4. The claim that the "white race" is becoming "extinct" is an utterly bogus racist myth that's been floating around for more than 100 years. It is not true. Get over it.
Also aware of this. :)

Ugh! If people find it attractive it will persist. If people don't, it won't. If it's important as a phenotype then you're theories are bullocks. And if it's not, then why should anyone care?
All I said is I would be sad if it were to go extinct. Nothing more, nothing less.

All I said is I would be sad if it were to go extinct. Nothing more, nothing less.
But it won't go extinct.

But it won't go extinct.
Hopefully not. :)

Your figures should indicate the white population in America is in decline. It's not. It should also show that it is in decline in most other countries with white people in them. It's not.

I love how you put up evidence that could lead to a decline in the white population, but you avoid simply showing the world white population and what it was say ten years ago (hint: it won't help your case).

White people are not dying out. You've never shown anything that evidences otherwise.

I dont think you are stupid, so I'm surprised why you didnt understand.

Your figures should indicate the white population in America is in decline. It's not.

Basically if birth rate is below 2.1 per women, it means the population will eventually decline. Clearly I proved white population in USA is in decline...


White women and non-Hispanic White women had fertility levels significantly below the replacement level, averaging 1.9 and 1.8 births per woman respectively.


http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-548.pdf (page 3)

It should also show that it is in decline in most other countries with white people in them. It's not.

Hmmm. How did you reach this conclusion? I clearly proved Europe's, USA&Canada's, Aus&NZ's (places where most whites live) birth rates are below 2.1 per women which means that white populations here will decline/are declining...


I love how you put up evidence that could lead to a decline in the white population, but you avoid simply showing the world white population and what it was say ten years ago (hint: it won't help your case).


I wasnt aware there were such statistics. Feel free to share...

But it won't go extinct.

That remains to be seen.

Yes...things are most totally subject to change, but at the rate things are going...it would seem like its going extinct.

I think thats what people are so worked up about.

That remains to be seen.

Yes...things are most totally subject to change, but at the rate things are going...it would seem like its going extinct.

I think thats what people are so worked up about.
Ugh! This whole thing is based on an urban legend.

Ugh! This whole thing is based on an urban legend.

Even if it wont go extinct, we will be VERY VERY FEW IF current trends continue. And "PC People" are really good at making sure current trends continue, by dismissing/labelling any opposition as racism...

hrm, I don't know if this had been brought up yet- I haven't had the chance to read all replies to the topic, but I read something which pretty much debunked this particular urban myth:

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/blondes.asp

hrm, I don't know if this had been brought up yet- I haven't had the chance to read all replies to the topic, but I read something which pretty much debunked this particular urban myth:

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/blondes.asp

Read the 1st post again...

Even if it wont go extinct, we will be VERY VERY FEW IF current trends continue. And "PC People" are really good at making sure current trends continue, by dismissing/labelling any opposition as racism...
Labelling blonde hair as being a white trait is racist, especially since there are blondes in every racial group.

Hell, race doesn't even really exist genetically.

Even if it wont go extinct, we will be VERY VERY FEW IF current trends continue. And "PC People" are really good at making sure current trends continue, by dismissing/labelling any opposition as racism...

Wait, if this has nothing to do with racism, why does this matter? Europa, you'd be long dead if anything of this nature were to happen anyways.

Wait, if this has nothing to do with racism, why does this matter? Europa, you'd be long dead if anything of this nature were to happen anyways.

Maybe Europa, NY and I care about the world our children and our childrens children will grow up in?

Read the 1st post again...
So snopes is owned by the jews who are hellbent on eliminating blondes and thus, used their position as a guide to urban legends to dismiss it?

Wait, if this has nothing to do with racism, why does this matter? Europa, you'd be long dead if anything of this nature were to happen anyways.
Yeah, I know. :) I acknowledged this ab initio. Hopefully though genetic engineering will not be too far off, because I want to alter my hair and eyes to blonde and violet respectively.

Maybe Europa, NY and I care about the world our children and our childrens children will grow up in?

You think the world will be inherently worse off without white people, but you're not racist?

Maybe Europa, NY and I care about the world our children and our childrens children will grow up in?
Yes, and I'm sure a lack of blondes will make the world such a horrible place.

Not to mention that again, being blonde isn't just a white thing.

So snopes is owned by the jews who are hellbent on eliminating blondes and thus, used their position as a guide to urban legends to dismiss it?

I'm a blonde Jew :confused:

Does that mean I am hellbent on eliminating myself? :D

Maybe Europa, NY and I care about the world our children and our childrens children will grow up in?
We are the Borg. Join us!

I'm a blonde Jew :confused:

Does that mean I am hellbent on eliminating myself? :D

Eh....Not as much as a Nazi Jew. Or a Communist Nazi Jew...Or a Anarchist Hippie Communist Nazi Jew Fascist.

Hmm.

I'm half-Korean. The other half is a mix of white, black, and who knows what else.

My kids are even more mixed than I am.

So, are we white? Korean? Black? What?

I speak English daily, but I also speak German, French, Spanish. I can read and write Hebrew and Aramaic (in addition to the previously mentioned languages), and can speak Ivrit. I am a Pentacostal Christian and a swinger. I vote Republican most of the time, but I have voted for Democrats before, especially in local elections.

So, tell me what I am supposed to be.


Your nothing.

Other then being a human being you have no race to clearly identify with.

Yeah, I know. :) I acknowledged this ab initio. Hopefully though genetic engineering will not be too far off, because I want to alter my hair and eyes to blonde and violet respectively.
That sort of genetic engineering is damn near impossible. First of all, genetic engineering is more likely to be accomplished starting from scratch, not a living human being. Secondly, they don't even know how to get violet eyes. It's likely not even strictly genetic and more related to having very little blue pigment in the eyes so the blood vessesls come through a bit more. Like halfway to eyes like an albino.

I'm a blonde Jew :confused:

Does that mean I am hellbent on eliminating myself? :D
It was in response to being told to read the first post.

Even if it wont go extinct, we will be VERY VERY FEW IF current trends continue. And "PC People" are really good at making sure current trends continue, by dismissing/labelling any opposition as racism...

Just so long as you're clear that "white people" as a RACE is a false construct. As Murvyets and I have stated, races themselves are more or less meaningless - every person alive today shared a common ancestor sometime in the past, 10000-15000 years ago. What we CAN say is that there have been populations isolated enough from eachother that they start to accumulate differences through natural selections quicker, though arbitrary and value-laden, cousin - sexual selection. These cosmetic differences, such as blonde hair and blue eyes, are not indicative of certain races, they are indicative of certain alleles or traits.

What globalization has done is mash together ALL alleles, instead of maintaining them in isolated populations. Blonde genes won't go extinct - they will be mashed together with every other gene. The fact that they are recessive means that they can be passed on to children, but won't "show up" as a phenotype until a child is given two blonde genes.

In short, the difference between now and in 200 years:
Now: blonde parents generally have blonde kids, brown-haired parents generally give birth to brunettes.
Future: brown-haired parents would regularly give birth to blondes, brunettes, redheads, and black-haired children. Everyone will probably look like they're from the same country (of which there is no current representative), with skin various shades of tan.

That sort of genetic engineering is damn near impossible. First of all, genetic engineering is more likely to be accomplished starting from scratch, not a living human being. Secondly, they don't even know how to get violet eyes. It's likely not even strictly genetic and more related to having very little blue pigment in the eyes so the blood vessesls come through a bit more. Like halfway to eyes like an albino.
I would like to see how these opinions change as genetics progresses. Not sure on the violet eyes as a genetic possibility though, so I can't really comment.

Labelling blonde hair as being a white trait is racist, especially since there are blondes in every racial group.

Hell, race doesn't even really exist genetically.

Of course blondes exist in every racial group. All they have to do is dye their hair. We are talking about natural blonds. If a black person got natural "blondish" hair, it's because he/she got some white blood. No full asians or blacks got blond hair, it's a european thing...

Of course blondes exist in every racial group. All they have to do is dye their hair. We are talking about natural blonds. If a black person got natural "blondish" hair, it's because he/she got some white blood. No full asians or blacks got blond hair, it's a european thing...
But they are referring to a population with frequent interbreeding.

I would like to see how these opinions change as genetics progresses. Not sure on the violet eyes as a genetic possibility though, so I can't really comment.

You also realize the genetic altering wouldn't take affect until you grow a new iris cell by cell, right?

You also realize the genetic altering wouldn't take affect until you grow a new iris cell by cell, right?
Yeah. Couldn't it then be transplanted? If genetics were to grow to such a level, I am sure transplants would be of secondary importance.

You think the world will be inherently worse off without white people, but you're not racist?

So you support extermination of white people and you are not racist?

Your nothing.
That sounds funny out of context. :)

So you support extermination of white people and you are not racist?

I don't support anything. If there's less white people *shrug* So what? there'll be more of other races, and all the races are equal, right?

Yes, and I'm sure a lack of blondes will make the world such a horrible place.

Not to mention that again, being blonde isn't just a white thing.

Well it will most totally suck, if thats what your asking. Yes...I'm aware that there are a couple aborigine blondes...but MOST blondes are white.

You think the world will be inherently worse off without white people, but you're not racist?

If beleiving this makes me racist, then yes, I am.

You think the world will be inherently worse off without white people, but you're not racist?

Why is it that colored people from all over the world do whatever they can to enter into all white communities?

Why is it that only nations that are predominantly white have to deal with the problem of mass migration?

Face the truth: Whites have built the best nations and created the best cultures and once we are gone the rest of you people will have no where left to run to for a better life.

I know a lot of you think this is not true but if the other races were just as good then why would they run away from their homelands to go live in white nations??

If beleiving this makes me racist, then yes, I am.

Well, honesty is always good. So why do you believe that then?