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To follow up on the widely popular Lingerie Thread, which has become a sort of discussion about sexual attitudes, we now have the Sex Thread. The idea of this thread is not to get graphic or pornographic, but rather to discuss attitudes, perceptions, hangups, societal and personal views, and so forth in relation to sex. It's an important function that goes far beyond the biological, yet we are so rarely open about it. So come one, come all (no pun intended) to discuss the personal, and cultural significance of sex!

umm . . .?? Sex?? What's that?? Isn't that like being a boy or girl?

Why can people be so remarkably open with their sexual exploits and preferences, yet when you ask the same people what their salary is they pretend not to hear you? :confused:

umm . . .?? Sex?? What's that?? Isn't that like being a boy or girl?
It can be, yes. I'm not limiting this thread to physical acts. I want to discuss everything surrounding sex too...female attitudes versus male attitudes...relationships, consequences, education about, portrayals of and so on.

For example...what do people think about current sex education in schools?

Or by chance is it similar to smashing?

Wow. The thread even has sex in the title, and only this many posts so far? Sheesh people! I offer titilation! I offer advice! I offer steamy, yet intellectual conversation! What more do you want? *has cookies ready too*

Here's a question:

How do people view themselves on the scale from extremely kinky to extremely prudish?

I have very open ideas about sex. I think that people should be able to do what they want with their consenting partners as long as no one is getting hurt (in a way that they don't want to get hurt). However, there are many things that I know people do, but can't imagine ever doing. So, while my boyfriend would say I have a little bit of the kink in me, I'd probably be closer over towards them more conservative "prudish" part of the scale. Luckily, my boyfriend doesn't want anything too kinky either. In fact, I think I'm more willing to initiate a little kink than he is (although he'll go along once its initiated =)

How about everyone else?

For example...what do people think about current sex education in schools?
Far too abstinence-based. I'm taking it again next year by requirement (last year of HS), but last year when I took it for the first time since 7th grade I discovered that it wasn't nearly so interesting.

Wow. The thread even has sex in the title, and only this many posts so far? Sheesh people! I offer titilation! I offer advice! I offer steamy, yet intellectual conversation! What more do you want? *has cookies ready too*

Alright, you're on to me, I know what sex is.

Honestly, sex has only helped my quasi-fiance and I in our relationship. People always talk about make-up sex, well we practice preventative sex. When we find something that bothers us about each other, we have sex and completely forget everything ;) ;) :fluffle: :D

Wow. The thread even has sex in the title, and only this many posts so far? Sheesh people! I offer titilation! I offer advice! I offer steamy, yet intellectual conversation! What more do you want? *has cookies ready too*
Yay, cookies! That's it. I'm staying. ;)

Why can people be so remarkably open with their sexual exploits and preferences, yet when you ask the same people what their salary is they pretend not to hear you? :confused:
It's those evil communists spoiling our country. They make people afraid of money so they don't want to talk about it, and advocate vulgarity and immorality. We must outlaw these immoral ideologies that are destroying our capitalist Christian right-wing paradise!!!

Honestly, sex has only helped my quasi-fiance and I in our relationship. People always talk about make-up sex, well we practice preventative sex. When we find something that bothers us about each other, we have sex and completely forget everything
Funny, that sounds a little bit like what I do... but I don't have a girlfriend, so I play NationStates. I'm starting to have a scary relationship with this place. :eek: :(

I want the cookies, please. I hope that this thread is as interesting as your last :D though I hardly doubt it will be, though again I do not really have the capability to comment. I will answer the question you put in about current sex education.

In Scotland, the answer is simply cringeworthy. So far the teachers just seem too embarassed about it, and then the videos.... They're animated! and not even the Japanese stuff, but the 1980s really bad "informational animation" which just means it uses primary colours and has little artistry!



urgh.... what a waste of time - not that I complained then.

Of course, this was 6 years ago, but I doubt it's changed.WTF?!! Jordaxia, you posted this four minutes in the future!!! :eek: There's something wrong with your clock, or you know how to time-travel, either one!

Here's a question:

How do people view themselves on the scale from extremely kinky to extremely prudish?


I don't consider myself prudish, but there are simply certain things that don't interest me. I might do them, if my partner enjoyed it, but not enjoying something does not a prude make:). My sexual attitudes have really changed over the years, and much of it has to do with self-confidence, and confidence in my relationship. My husband and I, after almost 10 years together, have recently opened up our relationship to outside, shared liaisons. I never could have imagined agreeing to (or wanting) something like that before. Now I know, no matter what we do, we will remain together, and this poses no threat to me, or him. It's not something I think a fairly young relationship should get into, but I believe ours to be stable enough. Considering prevailing attitudes about monogamy, I don't think people would consider me to be prudish, but neither do I see myself as very kinky. I'm just open, and comfortable. To me, that is more normal than being scared of, or not open about sex.

To follow up on the widely popular Lingerie Thread, which has become a sort of discussion about sexual attitudes, we now have the Sex Thread. The idea of this thread is not to get graphic or pornographic, but rather to discuss attitudes, perceptions, hangups, societal and personal views, and so forth in relation to sex. It's an important function that goes far beyond the biological, yet we are so rarely open about it. So come one, come all (no pun intended) to discuss the personal, and cultural significance of sex!

Well, if this thread is as wildly popular as the Lingerie thread was, I don't think I'll be able to keep up.

Here are my general attitudes about sex. It is only to be experienced within the confines of a hetersexual, monogamous, marital relationship. Consentual sexual acts between adults should not be regulated in anyway provided they don't result in serious physical harm or death of any of the invovled parties and are not public. Sexual acts should never involve adult/minors relationships and minor/minor relationships should be discouraged, though education regarding contraceptives is essential, though it should be by parental choice. Within the confines of a heterosexual marriage, pretty much anything consentual goes and more is better than less IMO provided it doesn't violate public indescency/exposure laws.

I'll probably think of some other caveats, but that is a pretty good start.

I want the cookies, please. I hope that this thread is as interesting as your last :D though I hardly doubt it will be, though again I do not really have the capability to comment. I will answer the question you put in about current sex education.

In Scotland, the answer is simply cringeworthy. So far the teachers just seem too embarassed about it, and then the videos.... They're animated! and not even the Japanese stuff, but the 1980s really bad "informational animation" which just means it uses primary colours and has little artistry!



urgh.... what a waste of time - not that I complained then.

Of course, this was 6 years ago, but I doubt it's changed.

Far too abstinence-based. I'm taking it again next year by requirement (last year of HS), but last year when I took it for the first time since 7th grade I discovered that it wasn't nearly so interesting.
I always found sex ed to be too focused on the physical aspects (physiology, disease and so on) rather than on more important things like attitudes. Teens are all about sex. They think about it constantly, talk about it constantly, but know so little about the bigger picture. What a perfect time to get them talking about things, perhaps clearing up dangerous misconceptions, and allowing them to explore the social and personal ramifications of becoming sexually active. But teachers are notoriously uncomfortable teaching this course, parents are either happy they don't have to, or angry that their child is being 'exposed' in this manner. North America is a seething mess of multiple personalities and conflicting views about sex. Kids will be doing it, and it's nothing new that 13 years olds are engaging in it. They were doing that back in my grandmother's time...but no one talked about it, or made a huge deal about it. I find it amusing that people are so shocked now, as though it's a new thing, a sign of our morally corrupt times. Trust me. Kids have been doing it for centuries. It's nothing new. So teach them to be safe, and be honest about it!

Wow. The thread even has sex in the title, and only this many posts so far? Sheesh people! I offer titilation! I offer advice! I offer steamy...*I want more :D

Who has ever accomplished the feat of the 'running dog'? I have! :D

Here's a question:

How do people view themselves on the scale from extremely kinky to extremely prudish?

I have very open ideas about sex. I think that people should be able to do what they want with their consenting partners as long as no one is getting hurt (in a way that they don't want to get hurt). However, there are many things that I know people do, but can't imagine ever doing. So, while my boyfriend would say I have a little bit of the kink in me, I'd probably be closer over towards them more conservative "prudish" part of the scale. Luckily, my boyfriend doesn't want anything too kinky either. In fact, I think I'm more willing to initiate a little kink than he is (although he'll go along once its initiated =)

How about everyone else?

It depends on how you define those. If "kinky" it means multiple partners or beastiality, then I'm prudish. If "kinky" anything goes within the context of a heterosexual marriage, I'm kinky.

Alright, you're on to me, I know what sex is.

Honestly, sex has only helped my quasi-fiance and I in our relationship. People always talk about make-up sex, well we practice preventative sex. When we find something that bothers us about each other, we have sex and completely forget everything ;) ;) :fluffle: :D
Pre-emptive sex! Interesting! I agree. Sex is a big factor in a relationship...physical intimacy is important and helps break down emotional barriers that can cause problems. As well, you can not be truly open and honest with your partner if you are not open and honest about what pleases you physically. Sex is the physical manifestation of give and take.

I agree with much of what you said. However I differ on the issue of how recent an occurance this is. Yes, a few 13 yr. olds engaged in sex, depending on which culture they grew up in, but they were not in the majority. The number of 13-16 year olds who engage in sex is at all time highs in North America over the course of the last 30 years, though it has declined a little over the last 5.
Wow. And I was under the impression that in the past, more people were married around the age of 13 or even younger and had sex. You learn something new every day.

WTF?!! Jordaxia, you posted this four minutes in the future!!! :eek: There's something wrong with your clock, or you know how to time-travel, either one!
This is the weirdest thing I've ever see Jolt do...it's been happening all day...posts wander! The reply appears before the original post! Arrghh!

mmmmmmmhhhhh to me a digrunteled teenager sex = good ;) sadly its true to all of us :fluffle: :D :eek: i think i speak for most peeps and if iv had sex ??? :D :D :D

Well, I'm somewhat hesitant to discuss this topic because in many other threads about sex, it seems as if the opinions and thoughts of an "older man" aren't appreciated. I would just like to say to those who have problems with older people still liking sex: Get over it! I'm not yer damned father, I'm not yer damned grandfather. I'm just me and I always will be and I don't give a crap whether you're "comfortable" with the idea of my having sex or not!

Well, then sex away. Cause I know I'll say anything about it.

So, what are your views on the subject? :)
Wait a moment. According to the time, he hasn't posted his first post yet.

Kinky or erotic? Cause erotic is using a feather while kinky is using the whole damn bird.
As for me personally, I can't be tied down with a girl that wants me tied up.

To follow up on the widely popular Lingerie Thread, which has become a sort of discussion about sexual attitudes, we now have the Sex Thread. The idea of this thread is not to get graphic or pornographic, but rather to discuss attitudes, perceptions, hangups, societal and personal views, and so forth in relation to sex. It's an important function that goes far beyond the biological, yet we are so rarely open about it. So come one, come all (no pun intended) to discuss the personal, and cultural significance of sex!
Well, I'm somewhat hesitant to discuss this topic because in many other threads about sex, it seems as if the opinions and thoughts of an "older man" aren't appreciated. I would just like to say to those who have problems with older people still liking sex: Get over it! I'm not yer damned father, I'm not yer damned grandfather. I'm just me and I always will be and I don't give a crap whether you're "comfortable" with the idea of my having sex or not!

This is the weirdest thing I've ever see Jolt do...it's been happening all day...posts wander! The reply appears before the original post! Arrghh!
It's done it again in triplicate! All three of the posts after my last one have apparently yet to be made! :eek:

I always found sex ed to be too focused on the physical aspects (physiology, disease and so on) rather than on more important things like attitudes. Teens are all about sex. They think about it constantly, talk about it constantly, but know so little about the bigger picture. What a perfect time to get them talking about things, perhaps clearing up dangerous misconceptions, and allowing them to explore the social and personal ramifications of becoming sexually active. But teachers are notoriously uncomfortable teaching this course, parents are either happy they don't have to, or angry that their child is being 'exposed' in this manner. North America is a seething mess of multiple personalities and conflicting views about sex. Kids will be doing it, and it's nothing new that 13 years olds are engaging in it. They were doing that back in my grandmother's time...but no one talked about it, or made a huge deal about it. I find it amusing that people are so shocked now, as though it's a new thing, a sign of our morally corrupt times. Trust me. Kids have been doing it for centuries. It's nothing new. So teach them to be safe, and be honest about it!

I agree with much of what you said. However I differ on the issue of how recent an occurance this is. Yes, a few 13 yr. olds engaged in sex, depending on which culture they grew up in, but they were not in the majority. The number of 13-16 year olds who engage in sex is at all time highs in North America over the course of the last 30 years, though it has declined a little over the last 5.

Here are my general attitudes about sex. It is only to be experienced within the confines of a hetersexual, monogamous, marital relationship. Consentual sexual acts between adults should not be regulated in anyway provided they don't result in serious physical harm or death of any of the invovled parties and are not public.
But you've kind of regulated them already, since you've determined that they should only happen in heterosexual, marital and monogamous relationships. I fully realise you are simply stating your opinion, and I have no problem with that, but don't these caveats actual limit the freedom you are talking about?

Edit: this is so annoying! I have to keep going back to the first page because the posts are moving around, and I'm losing track of them!

Well, I'm somewhat hesitant to discuss this topic because in many other threads about sex, it seems as if the opinions and thoughts of an "older man" aren't appreciated. I would just like to say to those who have problems with older people still liking sex: Get over it! I'm not yer damned father, I'm not yer damned grandfather. I'm just me and I always will be and I don't give a crap whether you're "comfortable" with the idea of my having sex or not!

So, what are your views on the subject? :)

How did you do that? You quoted and replied to my post before I ever posted it... There must be something magical about this thread. Sin??? what have you done here?
There's something really weird going on around here! Replies are visible before they're even posted! It's been happening all day! I'll go contact the mods.

What the fuck....it happened again.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Wow. *has cookies ready too*

Cookies for sex?

Its not exactly cash for questions now is it?

My comment:

Sex, yeah i like it, even more than cookies.

The number of 13-16 year olds who engage in sex is at all time highs in North America over the course of the last 30 years, though it has declined a little over the last 5.
Hmmm...perhaps...but perhaps we're simply more aware of it now? I don't know...

See, I like erotic, but kinky is weird. Is doing it anywhere, anytime, any way kinky or erotic? I don't do pain though.

Wow. And I was under the impression that in the past, more people were married around the age of 13 or even younger and had sex. You learn something new every day.


How did you do that? You quoted and replied to my post before I ever posted it... There must be something magical about this thread. Sin??? what have you done here?

So, what are your views on the subject? :)
Which aspect of it? There are so many ins and outs ( smile ) on this subject that trying to discuss it in general would take volumes.

Someone was talking about "kinky." Kinky, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder. Chances are, if you're willing to do it yourself, you don't consider it to be "kinky." I suppose I've seen and done too much to consider things like group, or mild Dom/sub to be kinky. IMHO, serious BDSM is kinky ... not to mention dangerous, but other than that, whatever anyone likes is kewl with me.

Sex, yeah i like it, even more than cookies.
I don't have the faintest idea why I'm participating in this thread. I'm a virgin. :p

I guess I can do it too... :rolleyes: :eek:
Obviously. The quoted post was made 6 minutes in the future.

But you've kind of regulated them already, since you've determined that they should only happen in heterosexual, marital and monogamous relationships. I fully realise you are simply stating your opinion, and I have no problem with that, but don't these caveats actual limit the freedom you are talking about?

Edit: this is so annoying! I have to keep going back to the first page because the posts are moving around, and I'm losing track of them!

Yes, it is problematic...

As for regulating them, I don't think anyone should be forcefully stopped from engaging in those activities legally. I just believe they are immoral and shouldn't, on a voluntary basis, be engaged in. I recognize that not everyone agrees and since I don't want anyone being able to dictate to me how to live my life, I don't want anyone dictating what I believe to others except in cases where it can be shown that serious physical harm or any harm to a minor has taken place as those things violate rights and freedoms more important than the "freedom of sex" ;) (try to find that in the constitution :p ).

It depends on how you define those. If "kinky" it means multiple partners or beastiality, then I'm prudish. If "kinky" anything goes within the context of a heterosexual marriage, I'm kinky.

Well, that's why I was asking where people place themselves. =) Obviously, people define "kinky" and "prudish" very differently.

I would say that bestiality is beyond kinky and into dangerous and illegal (rightfully). I would place it with sex with children - which is not allowable under any circumstances.

However, I would definitely say that multiple partners would be kinky - whether it is within the confines of marriage or not.

Which aspect of it? There are so many ins and outs ( smile ) on this subject that trying to discuss it in general would take volumes.

Someone was talking about "kinky." Kinky, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder. Chances are, if you're willing to do it yourself, you don't consider it to be "kinky." I suppose I've seen and done too much to consider things like group, or mild Dom/sub to be kinky. IMHO, serious BDSM is kinky ... not to mention dangerous, but other than that, whatever anyone likes is kewl with me.


that's a good start...

Here are my views:

As far as sex ed goes, I think it should be like my sex ed class was. We talked about all the diseases, the risks of having sex too soon (females: the younger you begin to have sex before the age of 23, the more likely you are to have pregnancy complications later in life), and abstinance was encouraged. However, we also learned about varying modes of birth control, how to get out of bad relationships, ways to avoid rape and even put condoms on bananas. What I also liked about my sex ed was that the first half of the year boys and girls were divided and the second half all were together (most serious sex talk and contraception was discussed the second half of the year).

As far as kink goes, I would say that I'm mildly kinky. I like a little bit of pain (biting, scratching, spanking, etc) but nothing too bad. I enjoy a plethora of positions and places to have sex and at one time was in a polyamourous relationship (I am now very monogamos, but we still remain friends).

crazy, time warp happens all the time here, but not in the time warp thread

SEX!!! WOOHOO!

Wait a moment. According to the time, he hasn't posted his first post yet.

I guess I can do it too... :rolleyes: :eek:

(females: the younger you begin to have sex before the age of 23, the more likely you are to have pregnancy complications later in life),

Years of biology and I've never heard this.

For what biological reason did your teacher claim this?

I think you may have been misinformed by an overzealous abstinence supporter. Not that I don't think teenager should abstain, but I don't think we need to lie to them to get them to do so.

Well,
My beliefs entail anyone, GLBT or otherwise has the right to have any act of sexual intercourse, be it kinky or non kinky, as long as BOTH parties have consent. if not then i think we should burn off the offender's genitals with sulphuric acid.
About age of consent; I think it should be 16, as I believe the minimum age for voting should be; HOWEVER, I do believe that the age of voting and the age of consent should be equal in countries where it applies.

Personally,
I'm lonely. I masturbate often and I find myself pretty sad. Then again, i'm fairly young for one that thinks like I do.

What do you guys think about scat? (vomit, shit sex etc)
I think it sucks tbh but then again it is quite popular.

What do you guys think about scat? I think it sucks tbh but then again it is quite popular.
I don't actually think it is very popular. And it does nothing for me.

I'm interested in hearing from people who are uncomfortable with sex. Unfortunately, many such people are also uncomfortable talking about their discomfort, but I'm hoping they'll open up enough to give us an insight into what about sex makes them uncomfortable. Among people I know, there is a sharp division between those that are open about sex, and those that are not. Since it's so hard to broach the subject with those that are not, I don't really know what issues they have with it. :(

What do you guys think about scat? (vomit, shit sex etc)
I think it sucks tbh but then again it is quite popular.

Remember that the internat as porn for any type of fetish. Just cause theres a lot of it on the web does not mean it is actually popular. I have yet to meet someone who likes to be shit, pissed or puked on...during anything.

Years of biology and I've never heard this.

For what biological reason did your teacher claim this?

I think you may have been misinformed by an overzealous abstinence supporter. Not that I don't think teenager should abstain, but I don't think we need to lie to them to get them to do so.

She was most definately not an overzealous abstinance supporter because she often talked about how fun sex could be but that it comes with responsibilities. It was really a very both sides of teh coin kind of class. We talked about what different religious groups thought about premarital sex and all that jazz.

Remember that the internat as porn for any type of fetish. Just cause theres a lot of it on the web does not mean it is actually popular. I have yet to meet someone who likes to be shit, pissed or puked on...during anything.


As a social worker with the severely mentally ill, I've met one or two, but even then, not anywhere close to the threshhold that needs to be met to call something "popular".

She was most definately not an overzealous abstinance supporter because she often talked about how fun sex could be but that it comes with responsibilities. It was really a very both sides of teh coin kind of class. We talked about what different religious groups thought about premarital; sex and all that jazz.
Nonetheless, I think your example highlights the misinformation (malicious or well-intentioned) that still exists out there.

To me, the worst thing one can feel when it comes to sex is shame. (unless that's your thing:)). I think women are socialised more to feel shame in taking pleasure from sex (though I hope that trend is reversing), and I believe many religious teachings try to promote shame as a method of control. What a terrible, mixed up message to be sending! (IMO)

crazy, time warp happens all the time here, but not in the time warp thread
Naah, it's happening there too, with Monkeypimp....

Nonetheless, I think your example highlights the misinformation (malicious or well-intentioned) that still exists out there.

Quite likely. Despite her relative freedom with the class structure and content, she did still have to use a certain percentage of the book they gave her in the class, so it's very possible.

It does nothing for me either. I meant on the internet though, there are a good deal of websites (not that i've ever been on one :rolleyes: )
EDIT: Wow, NS General moves fast. I've never met someone personally, though I have talked to them on the internet. I asked them why and they just said they didn't mind. I didn't go into it further :x

I think cultural differences in sexual attitudes are fascinating as well. My husband is latino, from Chile, and guys there are used to pursuing, but rarely 'getting' the girl. Few one-night stands and such, and promiscuity is frowned upon much more so than here (but hey, prostitution is rampant...funny that!) Yet he had no problem with meeting me during a one-night stand, and then sticking with me:). And he's been the one who has really changed from repressed and jealous to open and experimental (whew!).

She was most definately not an overzealous abstinance supporter because she often talked about how fun sex could be but that it comes with responsibilities. It was really a very both sides of teh coin kind of class. We talked about what different religious groups thought about premarital sex and all that jazz.

And the biological reason behind the statement was........?

And the biological reason behind the statement was........?
Maybe sex before 23 was confused with early pregnancies causing later complications? Cripes, if I waited until 23, I'd be a masturbating addict...and my first child would have had to wait to be conceived :(

To me, the worst thing one can feel when it comes to sex is shame. (unless that's your thing:)). I think women are socialised more to feel shame in taking pleasure from sex (though I hope that trend is reversing), and I believe many religious teachings try to promote shame as a method of control. What a terrible, mixed up message to be sending! (IMO)

I think this is absolutely true - and I do think that women are more socialized to be ashamed of it (although gays and lesbians may be moreso than heterosexual women).

While I adamantly believe that sex - at least intercourse - should be saved for a loving, monogomous, long-term relationship, I don't think that one should be ashamed of enjoying it. It was, I believe, meant to be a pleasurable experience.

Maybe sex before 23 was confused with early pregnancies causing later complications? Cripes, if I waited until 23, I'd be a masturbating addict...and my first child would have had to wait to be conceived :(

That's what I'm wondering. A pregnancy before the uterus has fully developed could certainly cause problems with later pregnancies. Most women are fully developed by 18 or so, but I suppose some might keep developing until 23.

I remember a woman in Dan Savage's column saying she was going to buy her daughter a dildo when her daughter was 11 (or 13?). Aside from the inherent embarrassment involved (regardless, I think of how open parents are, kids are still going to be a bit embarrassed), I think it's a fantastic idea! Let kids know it's okay to 'let off steam' that way, and maybe they won't get so worked up they have sex before they're ready?

Wow. I offer tit. What more do you want? *has cookies ready too*


You've covered all the bases. Flesh and food. I'm first in line.

I think this is absolutely true - and I do think that women are more socialized to be ashamed of it (although gays and lesbians may be moreso than heterosexual women).

While I adamantly believe that sex - at least intercourse - should be saved for a loving, monogomous, long-term relationship, I don't think that one should be ashamed of enjoying it. It was, I believe, meant to be a pleasurable experience.
I saw a program about some 'sex scientists' who had the theory that a woman's orgasm aided in conception, as during the O, the cervix dips down, absorbing any semen that may be present much easier. Clearly, that function (pleasure) is there for a solid reason in BOTH men and women!

You've covered all the bases. Flesh and food. I'm first in line.
See...I know what appeals to the male appetite!

See...I know what appeals to the male appetite!
Well, that male's appetite.


And where the heck are those cookies?!

See...I know what appeals to the male appetite!must...resist...the temptation...

Here's a question:

How do people view themselves on the scale from extremely kinky to extremely prudish?Oddly, I think that I fall in both extremes. In different ways, obviously. In terms of the extremely kinky, well, as long as my boyfriend is up for whatever it is, I am almost certainly up for it too. I enjoy experimentation and kinky behaviour :) In terms of prudishness, I would never 'sleep around' (I've only ever slept with two people, and I wish I hadn't bothered with the first) and I detest porn. Put simply - if it's with one person that I love, anything goes. Beyond that, very little goes :)

For example...what do people think about current sex education in schools?

I went to public school and never so much as heard the words penis, vagina, sex or dirty sanchez. But in all seriousness the state of sex education is deplorable. When things such as std and unwanted pregnancies become the social problem that they have it is I think the government has a responsibility it educate people, especially young people, on how to prevent it. I think it would be benifical to have things like condoms available to help the situation.

Where is Sumamba to discuss the merits of polyamorous relationships????

I remember a woman in Dan Savage's column saying she was going to buy her daughter a dildo when her daughter was 11 (or 13?). Aside from the inherent embarrassment involved (regardless, I think of how open parents are, kids are still going to be a bit embarrassed), I think it's a fantastic idea! Let kids know it's okay to 'let off steam' that way, and maybe they won't get so worked up they have sex before they're ready?

I actually think it is a wonderful idea as well. My mother didn't go as far as buying me a dildo, but she was always open with me. From the minute I could ask questions about sex, she answered them as completely and honestly as my age and her knowledge would allow. As I got older, she bought me books relating to it as well.

My grandmother and aunts were all convinced that I was going to become some sort of sex-crazed slut because I knew so much. In the end, it actually was a big part of the reason I waited (although I do wish that I hadn't bothered with my first). In my life, I have had two sexual partners - one for the past 4 years. It was never "taboo" to me, never something I wanted to do because it was forbidden. When I did start considering it, I didn't have to worry that I couldn't talk to my mom about it. In fact, she had my aunt (a nurse practitioner) put me on the pill well before I was even considering sex and gave me condoms the first time I mentioned I might become active. Even then, those condoms were expired before I ever actually had sex. LOL

I went to public school and never so much as heard the words penis, vagina, sex or dirty sanchez. But in all seriousness the state of sex education is deplorable. When things such as std and unwanted pregnancies become the social problem that they have it is I think the government has a responsibility it educate people, especially young people, on how to prevent it. I think it would be benifical to have things like condoms available to help the situation.
In our school, we had a huge debate about putting condom dispensers in the boy's washroom. The girls wanted one in their washroom too, but neither group got them. Too many parents complained! Like a condom is going to make you go out and have sex.

Our sex ed class was comprised of horrific pictures of the extreme ravages of STDs. Now, I think the information we got on STDs was very important and useful, but it's not the be all and end all of sex! The only really useful thing I learned aside from that was how to pinch the tip of the condom when putting it on so that an air bubble doesn't form, making it less likely to break:)

In fact, she had my aunt (a nurse practitioner) put me on the pill well before I was even considering sex and gave me condoms the first time I mentioned I might become active. Even then, those condoms were expired before I ever actually had sex. LOL
Ditto. I went on the pill very early, way before it was necessary. I hate the damn pill...it gave me terrible migraines and whacked me out hormonally...but it was a life saver a couple of times when I wasn't quite careful enough! I prefer the migraines to becoming a mom at 16!

Truth be told, I never wanted to discuss sex with my folks (who does?) but they never pressed the issue either. Perhaps it would've become more comfortable. I slept around a lot because I lacked self-confidence, and thought I could gain it that way. Plus I just plain liked sex. Now, I'm still very active sexually, but in a much healthier, more confident way. I wouldn't go back to the old days for any price!

We didn't even get that :rolleyes: Our sex education was utterly shit. It explained the biological processes, and nothing at all more. Obviously, that's an important part of it, but what about things like STDs, how to protect oneself, and the physical and emotional practicalities of sex? We all knew a lot by that point anyway, but in my opinion it would have been good to have had professional teaching and advice on these issues.
Oh absolutely! Information on STDs is very important because there are so many misconceptions about contracting them and passing them on...misconceptions that can be very dangerous.

Unfortunately, even knowing as much as we did about STDs, many of us (myself included) did not always have safe sex. But we at least knew what we were risking (intellectually anyway). Regular STD testing is also important. I think it's a health issue more than anything. Regardless of whether you fool yourself into thinking kids are abstaining or not, they need to at some point be aware of this information about STDs, and school is vital in that education. Too many adults just continue on in their ignorance. Teach them young, they may forget a bit, but in general, they will remember the main issues.

Edit: Yikes, here we go again with the post slippage! You used to be post #77, but you keep dropping!!

And yes, I think that sex ed should be mandatory.

I had sex-ed class in 5th grade, and while it was rather informing, they told us basically nothing besides the straight biological stuff. I found that that wasn't terribly useful but it helped.

What really confuses me is the Christian/Catholic churchs' stance on this. They belive (apparently) that condems are bad and should never be used. I just don't understand this. They constantly preach about the values of the famil, but the advocate having sex without a condem rather than with a condem.

Just don't understand it.

What really confuses me is the Christian/Catholic churchs' stance on this. They belive (apparently) that condems are bad and should never be used. I just don't understand this. They constantly preach about the values of the famil, but the advocate having sex without a condem rather than with a condem.

Just don't understand it.
Well, their stance is, you should abstain until marriage, meaning both you and your partner would be free from sexually transmitted diseases anyway, and since sex is (in their view) for procreation, no condom would be needed.

Of course, reality screws with this stance, and makes it a dangerous proposition to have sex without a condom.

In our school, we had a huge debate about putting condom dispensers in the boy's washroom. The girls wanted one in their washroom too, but neither group got them. Too many parents complained! Like a condom is going to make you go out and have sex.

Our sex ed class was comprised of horrific pictures of the extreme ravages of STDs. Now, I think the information we got on STDs was very important and useful, but it's not the be all and end all of sex! The only really useful thing I learned aside from that was how to pinch the tip of the condom when putting it on so that an air bubble doesn't form, making it less likely to break:)We didn't even get that :rolleyes: Our sex education was utterly shit. It explained the biological processes, and nothing at all more. Obviously, that's an important part of it, but what about things like STDs, how to protect oneself, and the physical and emotional practicalities of sex? We all knew a lot by that point anyway, but in my opinion it would have been good to have had professional teaching and advice on these issues.

I had sex-ed class in 5th grade, and while it was rather informing, they told us basically nothing besides the straight biological stuff. I found that that wasn't terribly useful but it helped.

What really confuses me is the Christian/Catholic churchs' stance on this. They belive (apparently) that condems are bad and should never be used. I just don't understand this. They constantly preach about the values of the famil, but the advocate having sex without a condem rather than with a condem. Some outdated belief that sex is only for procreation, I believe. I think it runs something like - you should only have sex with your husband/wife; you should only have sex with your husband/wife in order to create a baby (physical and emotional pleasure and closeness is very secondary to this). I don't really know that much about it, being as I am a committed atheist, but that's my basic understanding. I think all but the most progressive Churches need to re-evaluate their thinking on this; even people following the basic religion they preach do not necessarily follow such rules, and then end up castigated for it. Those that do follow the rules could, potentially, end up in trouble (unless they can be completely certain that they are the only person their partner has ever been with). Ridiculous.

Edit: Bloody posts! This is really getting on my nerves today!

Here (http://www.durex.com/cm/GSS2004Results.asp) is a link to a sex survey by Durex. There are some interesting finds here!

Particularly interesting was this:

More than three in 10 people globally (31%) believe that governments should be investing in sex education as the best way of helping prevent STIs

So, basically, 7 out of 10 people don't think the government should be investing in sex ed as a way to prevent STDs/STIs! What the heck do they think SHOULD be done??

And let me say...from everything I'm reading? Iceland seems to be the place to get funky! Next vacation spot? Yum!

You can say almost anything quietly to another in a room full of people, and no one notices. But when you say sex, everyone quiets down and listens. Its the word that echoes around the world.

The sex taboo is the notion that sex and love are so important that we must pretend that they are unimportant and so emotionally loaded that they are dangerous to think about.
-James Weinrich (1987)

AND

Don't knock masturbation. It's having sex with someone I deeply love.
-Woody Allen :D

And let me say...from everything I'm reading? Iceland seems to be the place to get funky! Next vacation spot? Yum!
Yes, the Icelandians are suppose to be very loving and open about sex. I suppose "cold climate, warm heart." :D

Well, I can’t speak for everyone, but personally I don’t want the government intruding on, or spending money on, sex, at all.
Then what is your solution? As a parent, of course I will be talking to my kids about stuff like this...and I will make sure I get the right information (from government sponsored health-care centres dealing with STDs...should those not be funded either?), but a lot of parents are not going to be teaching these things to their kids. Who will do it then? That kind of ignorance is dangerous. How do we make sure people are getting this information then?

So, basically, 7 out of 10 people don't think the government should be investing in sex ed as a way to prevent STDs/STIs! What the heck do they think SHOULD be done??
Well, I can’t speak for everyone, but personally I don’t want the government intruding on, or spending money on, sex, at all.

Is it just me or do you start one of these threads every two weeks or so?
It's just you. :D

I discuss sex a lot, but in various forms. And do you ask the abortion/religion/antiorproUS/conservative versus liberal/anti-gay thread starters if they do this every two weeks or so?

To follow up on the widely popular Lingerie Thread, which has become a sort of discussion about sexual attitudes, we now have the Sex Thread. The idea of this thread is not to get graphic or pornographic, but rather to discuss attitudes, perceptions, hangups, societal and personal views, and so forth in relation to sex. It's an important function that goes far beyond the biological, yet we are so rarely open about it. So come one, come all (no pun intended) to discuss the personal, and cultural significance of sex!
Is it just me or do you start one of these threads every two weeks or so?

How would you rate your country's attitudes towards sex? Open or closed, permissive or nonpermissive, informed or not informed?

How would you rate your country's attitudes towards sex? Open or closed, permissive or nonpermissive, informed or not informed?

The US runs the gamut on each case, I think. The laws have been fairly open and permissive (although sometimes not informed) for a while, but they seem to be swinging back the other way.

Georgia, as compared to the other states, probably would be more closed, nonpermissive, and not informed on average. Of course, most of the crazy stories I've been hearing have been coming out of places like Wisconisn, so maybe GA isn't too bad after all. We do have Atlanta and Savannah, after all.

How would you rate your country's attitudes towards sex? Open or closed, permissive or nonpermissive, informed or not informed?

Germany (original country): open, permissive, very informed and still more information

Ireland : Not quite as open, but judging by the sheer number of children, very very very active.

Here are my general attitudes about sex. It is only to be experienced within the confines of a heterosexual, monogamous, marital relationship.
I'm bored already.

I think women are socialised more to feel shame in taking pleasure from sex (though I hope that trend is reversing)
Now the thread's getting interesting!

Canada's a real mixed bag...we have all sorts, and many immigrants with various viewpoints transplanted here. I think in general, Canadians are fairly tight lipped about sex (though our Francophones are reputed to be shockingly open compared to the rest of us!). Our sex symbols all go to the US, and I don't think we consider ourselves to be particularly passionate. However, oddly enough, I think we are fairly open and permissive when it comes to sex (especially BC, for some reason, BC just has the rap for being a really open province) and we don't seem to have as many fundamentalist communities who are scared of sex. As for being informed...well, that varies widely too, but I think on the whole, we don't go around thinking you can get pregnant from kissing, so that's all good:).

How would you rate your country's attitudes towards sex? Open or closed, permissive or nonpermissive, informed or not informed?
Ireland: closed, conservative, but confused.

I cant quite put my finger on it, but this thread is lacking a certain fire...

I cant quite put my finger on it, but this thread is lacking a certain fire...
I can absolutely put a finger on it. The finger isn't in it. That's the problem! This thread has remained remarkably clean. I guess I should use euphemisms like "the screwing thread" or the "horny bastard thread" to get people interested. Sheesh. We had to go the long way around in the lingerie thread...introduce people to a fairly innocuous topic before they loosened up. What does that say about people?

Anyway, Germany is also quite mixed, mainly due to the fact that there used to be a whole bunch of German states around. That and we got divided after WW2. The north is generally more atheistic or protestant, and the same generally goes for the cities. Meanwhile the south is quite catholic and often more prude and conservative than the north.
Hamburg is probably the city that is most open, famous throughout Germany for it's Red Mile, the Reeperbahn. It's also a former Hanseatic city, and is still Germany's largest port, and you know what they say about sailors...;)
We've had several erotic shows going on in the past, though they don't seem to be airing right now. "Peep" and "Wa(h)re Liebe" (You can guess what Peep means, but Wa(h)re Liebe is word play, with Ware Liebe meaning the Commodity Love and Wahre Liebe meaning True Love) were the most prominent and long living, while crappy shows like "Strip" died pretty quickly. In all, erotic movies tend to be aired on at least one of the private channels belonging to one of the two big groups Pro7-Sat1 or RTL every weekend, though not on weekdays. We have laws prohibiting when and how much can be shown on TV, but no one would go crazy over a slipped nipple. In fact, there's nothing illegal with showing something like that during one of the afternoon boulevard shows...

I can absolutely put a finger on it. The finger isn't in it. That's the problem! This thread has remained remarkably clean. I guess I should use euphemisms like "the screwing thread" or the "horny bastard thread" to get people interested. Sheesh. We had to go the long way around in the lingerie thread...introduce people to a fairly innocuous topic before they loosened up. What does that say about people?That we're prude?
I dunno, maybe if we started listing fantasies that we'd like to try out (with details...:D) we might get the thread a bit more interesting...

I can absolutely put a finger on it. The finger isn't in it. That's the problem! This thread has remained remarkably clean. I guess I should use euphemisms like "the screwing thread" or the "horny bastard thread" to get people interested. Sheesh. We had to go the long way around in the lingerie thread...introduce people to a fairly innocuous topic before they loosened up. What does that say about people?


It says that too many people trying to act intellectual about it.
I feel like I'm at some fucking dopey world symposium on sexuality. Is everyone else wearing a lab coat? Or a tweed with a pipe?

Meh...loosen up and start the fuck talk.

*spits in anger*

That we're prude?
I dunno, maybe if we started listing fantasies that we'd like to try out (with details...:D) we might get the thread a bit more interesting...
This thread's already been brought to the Mods for review (over the title), so I want to make sure that if any fantasies are listed, they are done in a polite, non-graphic manner. No really, it's possible. Just don't use profanity, and don't go into extreme detail :D

Meh...loosen up and start the fuck talk.


Hypocrite!

Sometimes people are afraid of offending others. I see that happen on here with the sex related threads a lot. Also, there's a lot of misinformation around, and if you post it on General you can rest assured someone wil call you on it. That keeps lots of people from posting on certain sexual topics if they're unsure of their facts.

Too bad this sort of thing doesn't apply to ALL topics, eh? :D
Hey, the masturbation threads got plenty of notice, and contain some fairly graphic (and weird) posts. In any case, as Carn says...

The US runs the gamut on each case, I think. The laws have been fairly open and permissive (although sometimes not informed) for a while, but they seem to be swinging back the other way.

Georgia, as compared to the other states, probably would be more closed, nonpermissive, and not informed on average. Of course, most of the crazy stories I've been hearing have been coming out of places like Wisconisn, so maybe GA isn't too bad after all. We do have Atlanta and Savannah, after all.
Sure, by law. The US uses sex for everything!

Here's my 2 cents. I don't get why more people don't have open relationships. As in, you are in a long-term relationship with one person, but both of you are able to have 'flings' either together or separately. There seems to be so much cheating going on...wouldn't it be best to make it open, and not cheat? Or is it that deep down, people prefer the forbidden, and want that sort of thing to remain illicit?

Hypocrite!

That was for your amusement.

Thats the first,last and only time I will utter that absolutely reprehensible trash.

I can absolutely put a finger on it. The finger isn't in it. That's the problem! This thread has remained remarkably clean. I guess I should use euphemisms like "the screwing thread" or the "horny bastard thread" to get people interested. Sheesh. We had to go the long way around in the lingerie thread...introduce people to a fairly innocuous topic before they loosened up. What does that say about people?
Sometimes people are afraid of offending others. I see that happen on here with the sex related threads a lot. Also, there's a lot of misinformation around, and if you post it on General you can rest assured someone wil call you on it. That keeps lots of people from posting on certain sexual topics if they're unsure of their facts.

Too bad this sort of thing doesn't apply to ALL topics, eh? :D

Meh...loosen up and start the fuck talk.
LOL! Well, what sort of subject do you think we should get into ... so to speak? :D

Here's my 2 cents. I don't get why more people don't have open relationships. As in, you are in a long-term relationship with one person, but both of you are able to have 'flings' either together or separately. There seems to be so much cheating going on...wouldn't it be best to make it open, and not cheat? Or is it that deep down, people prefer the forbidden, and want that sort of thing to remain illicit?


Are you emotionally able to deal with a "fling" ?

For every instance of cheating you hear about-someone getting caught red handed or guiltily confessing, I'm willing to bet there are a dozen you'll never hear about.

Some go one forever, some are a one night stand. Not all go down in a fiery wreck.

Some are trysts when it perfectly suits both parties-maybe once a month, maybe once a year-quiet and without a trace.

LOL! Well, what sort of subject do you think we should get into ... so to speak? :D


I'm kinda hoping something will, uh...come up.

Are you emotionally able to deal with a "fling" ?

For every instance of cheating you hear about-someone getting caught red handed or guiltily confessing, I'm willing to bet there are a dozen you'll never hear about.

Some go one forever, some are a one night stand. Not all go down in a fiery wreck.

Some are trysts when it perfectly suits both parties-maybe once a month, maybe once a year-quiet and without a trace.
But what you risk with the unagreed upon 'fling' is the ruination of your relationship. If that is something you really want, shouldn't you either make sure your partner is willing, or desist? And yet, an open relationship to many people seems more terrible than a relationship between people being unfaithful (dishonest) with one another.

Oh no...please don't bring up the cannibalism issue again...please??

Edit: this stupid jolt timeslip problem sure fricks with context!

Who needs a relationship anyway? Staying single keeps my options open :D
I want someone to grow old with and make plans with. We're social creatures who form bonds. Can't help it:)

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So come one, come all (no pun intended) to discuss the personal, and cultural significance of sex!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight -- no pun intended my arse! And a damn fine pun it was! I was immediately reminded of Mel Brooks' History of the World, Part One:

ROMAN ORGY
First served, first come

I've always thought the shame thing to be a leftover from the darkages. It seems to be an aspect of our religious-coultural inheritance. It's peobably one of the aspects of the monotheism I loathe the most, as I think it has a very negative impact on people's behaviour and selfesteem.
I can't actually make a case for rape and sexual deviance largely being a result of reigious sexual repression, but I have a strong suspicion that those things are very much related.

My level of kinky-prudishness...
Well, I guess I'm sort of a kinky prude. I enjoy sex, and I'm in no way ashamed about it. I love to make love to both men and women, and I've been known to do both at the same time. However, there are plenty of things I wouldn't dream of doing. Anal sex, golden showers and all that crap turns me off (though I never reject things before I've tried them.. Almost anyway). Monogamy is a huge deal to me, but I never expect 3rd parties not to try. I just reserve the right to hospitalise them if they do :D
Sex in strange places is great fun. Mountainsides or busy trainstations, it's all great fun (beeches are way overrated, though... Fucking sand!). No, I don't mind people getting a kick from watching, but I do make an effort not to make it obvious enough to get arrested... Not that I've always successful avoiding that :(

I haven't got much of a clue about sex ed, but in my opinion it should deal with both the emotional aspects, and the biology. The importance of condoms simply can't be stressed enough!!! - Yea, a close friend of mine has AIDS and another has HIV. It's so fucking easy to avoid killing yourself, and no matter what the bible says or what anyone thinks you deserve, there is no reason not to use a condom. If god isn't completely deranged, I'm sure he'll forgive you that much.

I don't get why some people think 12-13 year olds having sex is a new thing. It's not more than a couple of hundred years ago that we highly moral western cultures sold 8-10 year olds to dirty old men. I say sold, because marriage back then resembles slavetrade more than it resembles the marriages of today.
It's a demonstratable fact that the age where people become sexually active has risen by more than a couple of years inside the last 200 years in the western world.
I think it's a bit ironic when older people are condemned by youngsters for being sexually active. Ironic, because the opposite is true as well. Plenty of old frigid farts cry about the moral decline in the west, when there's plenty of historical evidence to the contrary. Still, perhaps those old whiney idiots is a good thing. I don't think it's a generally good idea for 13 year olds to fuck either, though I think plenty of them are actually ready for it. I've had 2 girlfriends who told me they were sexually active at that age, and they were both perfectly normal in all respects. Neither one of them have had any abortions either - not that I see any reason to think pregnancies are related to age, I'm just trying to anticipate the odd rant.

I think any wealthy society plagued by a social disease such as HIV should provide condoms for free. I imagine the condom use in the USA is comparable to the cost of one or two B-2's, and I think it's pretty obvious which of the two will prevent the most harm on US citizens.

I fiercely believe it's noone's business what people does for kicks, unless it causes harm to innocent bystanders. I don't see how it can ever be government's or Moral Majority's problem whether people like to shit in eathothers mouths, have sex with powertools or cannibalism. As long as it's consentual and doesn't involve an exchange of services, barter and the like, it can't possibly concern anyone but the consenting adults themselves.

Here's my 2 cents. I don't get why more people don't have open relationships. As in, you are in a long-term relationship with one person, but both of you are able to have 'flings' either together or separately. There seems to be so much cheating going on...wouldn't it be best to make it open, and not cheat? Or is it that deep down, people prefer the forbidden, and want that sort of thing to remain illicit?
Who needs a relationship anyway? Staying single keeps my options open :D

I agree with much of what you said. However I differ on the issue of how recent an occurance this is. Yes, a few 13 yr. olds engaged in sex, depending on which culture they grew up in, but they were not in the majority. The number of 13-16 year olds who engage in sex is at all time highs in North America over the course of the last 30 years, though it has declined a little over the last 5.

Uh...just how long do you imagine that statistics on that subject have been kept? I mean, that's a nice, convenient generalization and all, but it falls short of reality. The focus on sex and titllation and all things hot and slippery...( all parts, both great and small...hairy, shaved and lovely, the Lord God made them all )...as a widespread national obsession is fairly recent with regard to history. You just didn't have Jessica Simpson and her ilk in the 1930s (and thank God for that).

So how do you know anything about what 13-16-year-olds did before there were accurate surveys? Quick answer, you don't.

Here are my general attitudes about sex. It is only to be experienced within the confines of a hetersexual, monogamous, marital relationship. Consentual sexual acts between adults should not be regulated in anyway provided they don't result in serious physical harm or death of any of the invovled parties and are not public. Sexual acts should never involve adult/minors relationships and minor/minor relationships should be discouraged, though education regarding contraceptives is essential, though it should be by parental choice. Within the confines of a heterosexual marriage, pretty much anything consentual goes and more is better than less IMO provided it doesn't violate public indescency/exposure laws.

I'll probably think of some other caveats, but that is a pretty good start.

I just thought this was interesting. While I agree with parts of it (I think homosexuals should be considered consenting adults and allowed to wed), I found it hilarious to see someone say "There should be not regulation" then setup a truck-load of rules and regulations.

Sex is a beautiful thing for people to enjoy. Granted minors should wait if for no other reason than the risks of pregnancy and disease, then for the focus they should put into their studies. But then, our current education system puts more emphasis on socialization than education and "Feeling Good" is more important than learning to compete to survive.

Kids shouldn't have sex. Adults should as much as they want with who they want providing all adults are in agreement. My wife and I are satisfied with each other...other couples feel the need to swing a bit...still others are gay...whatever floats your boat.

So how do you know anything about what 13-16-year-olds did before there were accurate surveys? Quick answer, you don't.Before there were surveys? Well, we could ask the older generation. I read an article on how different women related to sex, with one from the current children-are-out-of-the-house generation and one from the just retired generation. This was a German group... anyway, the younger women in the interview were surprised that the two older women had lost their virginity at the age of 14, since the older generations were viewed as more prude than today. This isn't the middle ages, but consider that 14 was considered the ideal age for child-bearing back in the day (see Romeo and Juliet)

So how do you know anything about what 13-16-year-olds did before there were accurate surveys? Quick answer, you don't.
It's just that adult/minor sex is now frowned upon, whereas it used to be the norm (mostly male adult, female minor sex, by the way). Considering that kids are now more often getting jiggy with each other, rather than with people 20 years their senior should be a good thing. In fact, if you factor out that kind of abusive sexual relationship (sanctified by 'marriage' or not), I suspect that the numbers of kids engaging in sex is probably lower.

Kids shouldn't have sex.What ages would that be?

Before there were surveys? Well, we could ask the older generation. I read an article on how different women related to sex, with one from the current children-are-out-of-the-house generation and one from the just retired generation. This was a German group... anyway, the younger women in the interview were surprised that the two older women had lost their virginity at the age of 14, since the older generations were viewed as more prude than today. This isn't the middle ages, but consider that 14 was considered the ideal age for child-bearing back in the day (see Romeo and Juliet)
My Grandmother had her first child when she was 15. This was normal at the time. My father's mother's mother married at 12 to a man 25 years her senior. (in the picture we have, my great grandmother looks like my great grandfather's child)

Gods above and below I'm glad I wasn't born in those times. If you look at your family tree, you'll probably see a lot of men with multiple wives, as each wife ends up dying in childbirth. Yikes...married at 14, spitting babies out every 13 months until you die...

...a couple of 13 year olds playing around with oral sex is certainly preferable to that, no?

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Does that include masturbation? Or mutual masturbation? Or just penetration?

Does that include masturbation? Or mutual masturbation? Or just penetration?
You are a nervous Typist...aren't you

What ages would that be?
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My Grandmother had her first child when she was 15. This was normal at the time. My father's mother's mother married at 12 to a man 25 years her senior. (in the picture we have, my great grandmother looks like my great grandfather's child)

Gods above and below I'm glad I wasn't born in those times. If you look at your family tree, you'll probably see a lot of men with multiple wives, as each wife ends up dying in childbirth. Yikes...married at 14, spitting babies out every 13 months until you die...

...a couple of 13 year olds playing around with oral sex is certainly preferable to that, no?I suppose it was a bit different in Germany... you didn't marry off your children. We had a rather influental period of literate arts that focused on emotionality (Sturm und Drang). It brought forth the biggest wave of suicide in young people due to a book ever ("Die Leiden des Jungen Werther" The Suffering of the Young Werther) ... that's how influential this was on German societies (back in the day, there were still a bunch of independent Germanies around). So I suppose this is what made the whole "marry out of love" idea possible... the only people I know of in Germany that still force marriages are Turkish immigrant families, though some German families may put pressure on their children not to marry someone for their own reasons.
But the stereotype that the older generations were more prude still prevails... probably because of the Nazis, they were incredibly prude and it has rubbed off.

Why should sexual activity be limited to married couples?

Why should sexual activity be limited to married couples?
Exactly. And why should it be monogamous? WHY???

You are a nervous Typist...aren't you
Why do you say that? Is it something I typed? Is there a tone you're reading into my words that doesn't actually exist that would suggest that I am the type of person to pound frantically on my keyboard and respond in the quickest possible manner with many questions at once? Huh? Huh! WHAT ARE YOU SAYING!!!??? :D

Um ... who said it should be???
Personal Responsibilit...y....I hate that he has no 'y' :(

<16I can only really quote German law on the issue... although I don't quite support it (I think it should be *legal* to have sex earlier than German law provides)
Children are younger than 14
14-17 are juveniles or youths (Jugendliche)
18-20 are maturing or coming-of-age (Heranwachsende)
21 or above makes you an adult

By German law, you may have sex once you turn 14. You may have sex with any person of any age, provided that the adult doesn't abuse the sexual inexperience of the minor. So it is technically possible for a 35 year old and a 15 year old to have a legal sexual relationship. That doesn't excuse abuse or similar situations, as it requires mutual consent.

Why should sexual activity be limited to married couples?
Um ... who said it should be???

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It's a demonstratable fact that the age where people become sexually active has risen by more than a couple of years inside the last 200 years in the western world.
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There may be an evolutionary aspect of that notion that stems from technological and medical advancement. 200 years ago, the lifespan of the average industrial-nation citizen was much lower than it is now (I've got no links and I'm too tired now to search, but I'd bet it was closer to 40 than the 70+ is is now). As a result, sexual maturity came at earlier ages.

As societies developed and learned more about medicine and germ theory and all kinds of related life-extending things -- in addition to a greater average prosperity meaning a longer adolescence/education before entering the workforce -- sexual maturity began to shift to older ages. Some are of the opinion that you're not really a full-on adult until you're about 23. I don't think that's a new norm, but I can see that trend.

Of course, some will still mature very young, and there could be an entirely different set of environmental factors affecting that (hormones in milk comes to mind). It seems to me though, that the longer the lifespan (and the more material prosperity there is to promote extended childhood and adolescence), the more the expectation is that kids will not engage in significant sexual activity until they're 17 or older. Hence the "shock" (and absence of historical perspective) that accompanies reports of kids knocking boots at 13 or younger.

Here endeth the pontification.

Personal Responsibilit...y....I hate that he has no 'y' :(Weird, innit?

Hey, we're going to disappoint Carnivorous again...we have yet to commence with the fuck talk!You start something then... I don't want to tell my stories because I'd basically be repeating what I've posted in the Lingerie thread...

By German law, you may have sex once you turn 14. You may have sex with any person of any age, provided that the adult doesn't abuse the sexual inexperience of the minor. So it is technically possible for a 35 year old and a 15 year old to have a legal sexual relationship. That doesn't excuse abuse or similar situations, as it requires mutual consent.
Wow. I'm not sure of specifics, nor will I look them up, but I'm fairly certain in Canada that you can not be many years older than a minor, or it is sexual abuse, consensual or not. I'm not sure about that...some days I agree, and other days I don't.

As a result, sexual maturity came at earlier ages.


And yet kids, girls in particular, seem to be hitting puberty earlier, though I've heard theories about hormones in our food and water (as waste, not intentional) having something to do with that...?

Hey, we're going to disappoint Carnivorous again...we have yet to commence with the fuck talk!

You start something then... I don't want to tell my stories because I'd basically be repeating what I've posted in the Lingerie thread...
Me too I guess...but I know a lot of people say they don't like pain...neither do I, not intense pain, but I like being bitten. Hard. Harder than I could possibly stand were I not being stimulated pleasurably at the same time. Pain is of course blocked out at that point, but I find it focuses me on the pleasure. Biting is more intense than slapping or spanking, so I prefer it...that and twisting:). It's an immediate reaction, and the hubby uses it to 'get me in the mood'. I'm slowly getting him into the idea of choking me...but it needs to be during turtle neck season so I don't get weird looks:). Plus, it's hard to know how hard to squeeze...too little and it's pointless, too much and you black out. I think I like the sensation of being forced? Who knows.

Edit: this is funny...I went onto Jolt2 for a bit, just to see how it affected my posts (they went into the future) and now that I'm back on Jolt, it says I can't post yet because I posted 30 seconds ago (actually almost 3 minutes ago). Moving from the future back to the present is a pain! I hate Jolt2!!

Hey, we're going to disappoint Carnivorous again...we have yet to commence with the fuck talk!


I was bored into a near catatonic state...and as if she could read my mind, my friend in Ontario,Canada called and made my day.
She and I are on the same page regarding sex/foreplay, etc... We totally disagree in areas of politics and she bashes the US, but we agree on sex, so who the fuck really cares?

Hey, we're going to disappoint Carnivorous again...we have yet to commence with the fuck talk!Right, I'll post it again... hope it's on time. You wouldn't mind starting it off, would you? I've pretty much recounted all my tales on the Lingerie thread.

Me too I guess...but I know a lot of people say they don't like pain...neither do I, not intense pain, but I like being bitten. Hard. Harder than I could possibly stand were I not being stimulated pleasurably at the same time. Pain is of course blocked out at that point, but I find it focuses me on the pleasure. Biting is more intense than slapping or spanking, so I prefer it...that and twisting:). It's an immediate reaction, and the hubby uses it to 'get me in the mood'. I'm slowly getting him into the idea of choking me...but it needs to be during turtle neck season so I don't get weird looks:). Plus, it's hard to know how hard to squeeze...too little and it's pointless, too much and you black out. I think I like the sensation of being forced? Who knows.

Edit: this is funny...I went onto Jolt2 for a bit, just to see how it affected my posts (they went into the future) and now that I'm back on Jolt, it says I can't post yet because I posted 30 seconds ago (actually almost 3 minutes ago). Moving from the future back to the present is a pain! I hate Jolt2!!So you like being choked? I've heard it helps stimulate, not being able to breathe. I currently have trouble getting anywhere while masturbating due to medication, so I've noticed that I start holding my breath more often, usually so long until I notice that my lungs need more oxygen...

Me too I guess...but I know a lot of people say they don't like pain...neither do I, not intense pain, but I like being bitten. Hard. Harder than I could possibly stand were I not being stimulated pleasurably at the same time. Pain is of course blocked out at that point, but I find it focuses me on the pleasure. Biting is more intense than slapping or spanking, so I prefer it...that and twisting:). It's an immediate reaction, and the hubby uses it to 'get me in the mood'. I'm slowly getting him into the idea of choking me...but it needs to be during turtle neck season so I don't get weird looks:). Plus, it's hard to know how hard to squeeze...too little and it's pointless, too much and you black out. I think I like the sensation of being forced? Who knows.


Wow-did you ever admit this before?

I thought I asked you?

I love to bite and be bitten. The compression and near piercing of the flesh is very pleasurable.

I was bored into a near catatonic state...and as if she could read my mind, my friend in Ontario,Canada called and made my day.
She and I are on the same page regarding sex/foreplay, etc... We totally disagree in areas of politics and she bashes the US, but we agree on sex, so who the fuck really cares?
Hmmm...your friend in Ontario sounds a lot like me...but I'm in Alberta:)

I think we could all get along better if we agreed more on sex...and had more of it...

So you like being choked? I've heard it helps stimulate, not being able to breathe. I currently have trouble getting anywhere while masturbating due to medication, so I've noticed that I start holding my breath more often, usually so long until I notice that my lungs need more oxygen...
I don't know why choking, or not breathing seems to work...but it really, really does...adds a sense of urgency to things, I'm not sure. I absolutely am wild about it...just THINKING about it is getting me all unprofessional!

Hmmm...you friend in Ontario sounds a lot like me...but I'm in Alberta:)

Except, she is only 25. I've known her for 6 years now. She just got married in June. No kids. Just having a lot of fun playing house. She's Canadian and she married an asian guy, who apparently is very traditional. And small.

Wow-did you ever admit this before?

I thought I asked you?

I love to bite and be bitten. The compression and near piercing of the flesh is very pleasurable.
I know I've said this before...perhaps you simply weren't in the thread at the time when I said it.

Exactly. And why should it be monogamous? WHY???
Good question. I know why I'm (mostly) monogamous, but why should that stop anyone else?

Except, she is only 25. I've known her for 6 years now. She just got married in June. No kids. Just having a lot of fun playing house. She's Canadian and she married an asian guy, who apparently is very traditional. And small.
Damn it! I was drinking water when I read that!

Well, my hubby is not the biggest I've had, but it makes little difference. He's incredibly skilled, and since we've turned our sex life around he's become even MORE skilled. I wouldn't exchange him for the world:).

I don't know why choking, or not breathing seems to work...but it really, really does...adds a sense of urgency to things, I'm not sure. I absolutely am wild about it...just THINKING about it is getting me all unprofessional!

It puts you into a state of euphoric hypoxia...by depriving the brain of oxygen until near climax intensifies all the senses... not for begginers.

Good question. I know why I'm (mostly) monogamous, but why should that stop anyone else?I suppose it depends on your relationship. I would consider infidelity hurtful, but if a couple agree that it is OK for them to see other people, then each to their own. I do think you have to be upfront and honest though; sex with someone else without the full knowledge and consent of your partner can be one of the most hurtful things in the world for the partner in question.

I know I've said this before...perhaps you simply weren't in the thread at the time when I said it.

Maybe its when my eyes were glazed over.

I suppose it depends on your relationship. I would consider infidelity hurtful, but if a couple agree that it is OK for them to see other people, then each to their own. I do think you have to be upfront and honest though; sex with someone else without the full knowledge and consent of your partner can be one of the most hurtful things in the world for the partner in question.
Absolutely. When I talk about having more than one partner, it is with the understanding that it is an honest relationship, where this sharing is agreed upon. And yum to that! Seriously...if you are confident that your partner is not going to 'leave you' for the other person (or people), then why not? You get to have something different on the menu for a night. Who doesn't like variety?

It puts you into a state of euphoric hypoxia...by depriving the brain of oxygen until near climax intensifies all the senses... not for begginers.The best way to take the fun out of sex is by explaining it scientifically...:(

It puts you into a state of euphoric hypoxia...by depriving the brain of oxygen until near climax intensifies all the senses... not for begginers.
Yes, I realise I need to be careful. And it's not going to be done right for a while, because it'll take some time for each of us to know just how much is enough. But that effort will be worth it....

Maybe its when my eyes were glazed over.
I've said it in other threads, long before this ;)

The best way to take the fun out of sex is by explaining it scientifically...:(
Well, in this case it's kind of important to understand it, so you don't go too far. It would suck to be choked to death by mistake, in the heat of the moment, don't you think?

BTW Laerod, get off Jolt2...you weren't getting bumped until you switched!

Does that include masturbation? Or mutual masturbation? Or just penetration?

i disagree w/ mutual masterbation at the age of 16 or under. kids shouldn't be having sex until they can handle the consequences. and i think that mutual masterbation would lead to the penetration version of sex.

However, i'm all for mutual masterbation later in life :P

i disagree w/ mutual masterbation at the age of 16 or under. kids shouldn't be having sex until they can handle the consequences. and i think that mutual masterbation would lead to the penetration version of sex.

However, i'm all for mutual masterbation later in life :P
But you didn't answer my question about masturbation that isn't mutual....I'm asking you see, because I started that at 11.

Damn it! I was drinking water when I read that!

Well, my hubby is not the biggest I've had, but it makes little difference. He's incredibly skilled, and since we've turned our sex life around he's become even MORE skilled. I wouldn't exchange him for the world:).

Well thats good for you. Sad, but good.
Thats what people with little equipment always seem to say.

I'm of the mind that size does matter, only because thats what I've been told by the one on the other end of the stick. Apparently, I'm lucky.
But my success has likely more resulted from my desire to please, the urge to give the most pleasure possible. I've found my gratification is largely influenced by my partner's satisfaction and pleasure.
I'm happy when they are reduced to a flushed, quivering and panting mass.

Me too I guess...but I know a lot of people say they don't like pain...neither do I, not intense pain, but I like being bitten. Hard. Harder than I could possibly stand were I not being stimulated pleasurably at the same time. Pain is of course blocked out at that point, but I find it focuses me on the pleasure. Biting is more intense than slapping or spanking, so I prefer it...that and twisting:). It's an immediate reaction, and the hubby uses it to 'get me in the mood'. I'm slowly getting him into the idea of choking me...but it needs to be during turtle neck season so I don't get weird looks:). Plus, it's hard to know how hard to squeeze...too little and it's pointless, too much and you black out. I think I like the sensation of being forced? Who knows.
That's not all that uncommon. I'm involved with someone right now who likes many of the same things. I find it incredibly erotic that she becomes very submissive during sex, even though she's very bright and independent at almost all other times.

I've said it in other threads, long before this ;)

My sweet cheeks, today isnt the first time you've lulled me to sleep...

The best way to take the fun out of sex is by explaining it scientifically...:(


I was putting it in terms I knew Sin would understand right away. It isnt for the light-hearted to dabble in. Its pretty serious.
I'd hate to think of someone turning purple with a belt around their neck while their partner tries to get off the phone.

Oddly enough, I'm not a fan of receiving blowjobs. I don't know whay (any theories?), but they've historically not done it for me. On the other hand, I am devoted practitioner of cunnilingus. I simply love it. It may have something to do with needing to have my glasses off and hearing her as she's transported to writhing orgasm (plays into a bit of the aforementioned voyeurism). Knowing that I'm helping those unimaginably sexual sounds escape from my lover's lips is an intense turn-on. What's even better is going down on a woman who knows how her sex works and tells me how to please her! Yes, a little bit of innate skill is naturally a plus, but being told where is sexy, and being told how is even sexier.


I knew a guy like that. Who knows? Who cares? If you don't like it, you don't like it, and so what! I'm not the biggest fan of having someone go down on me, but that all depends on the situation. I like it in short spurts...too much is too much. I'm really one for penetration or manual stimulation.

As for having multiple partners, we've had limited exposure so far, but what we have had has been really, really great. Awkward, but great...and I expect it will become less awkward once we get used to it. The only thing I worry about is that eventually the 'kink' in things will not exist, and nothing will really be exciting anymore. Like, once it's not forbidden, it loses it's appeal? Hasn't happened yet, and maybe it never will, but it is a concern.

I've noticed the complaints about the lack of spice in this thread. While I'm no Danielle Steele or Clive Barker (both erotic writers on entirely different wavelengths), here's my take on the subject.

There's not enough focus on the emotional and interpersonal (and therefore societal) aspects of sex. It irritates me no end when I hear my cousin (a Navy coolant engineer) say that he's perfectly fine with screwing other women in ports of call across the globe, but if his home-base girlfriend ever did, she'd be "dirty" or somehow unfit for his commitment. I don't know, but I've always believed that it's to do with the anatomical nature of gender. Since men are the penetrators, once they've drained their "night drops" (Tom Robbins), they withdraw and are essentially physically unchanged from the experience (if a few milligrams lighter). Women are the receivers -- their anatomy is one of warmth, softness and a vestigal feeling of "home" (as it was for nine months). The notion that some other man can "break into" "their" home and leave a "mess" is somehow criminal to men, and as a result the "home" is unclean and repulsive.

In no way do I agree with that view, but I can see how a base, grunting, decidedly male logic could come up with it.

That being said, I sure as hell don't advocate (and in fact intensely dislike) women who feel that equality of any kind (though especially seuxal equality) means adopting the worst traits of the male rutting instinct. In short, my opinion is that everyone involved in a sexual relationship needs to be:

1. Able to understand and make decisions about what happens to their body (so that excludes those who are of unsound mind, including intoxication, and makes setting an age limit a tricky proposition -- though I'd say no younger than 16). Your basic volition.

2. Aware of the "reporter's questions" about the situation -- who, what, where, when, how, and why -- and kept apprised of changes. This applies to
physical acts as well. Your basic open and honest communication.

3. Cognizant of the need for and planned use of contraception (unless procreation is the idea or documented sterility is involved) and STD prevention. Your basic consideration.

4. Free of entanglements (emotional or otherwise) that could cause anyone involved harm of any kind. Your basic geometry.

I'm sure I've missed something, but after all of that is solid, game on! It sounds a bit clinical, but these four ideas don't need to be approached in a clipboard manner. It can be as simple as a mental checklist of things you need before you engage. As far as what goes on once everyone's on the same page, the sky's the limit (remember #2).

I will try just about anything once, though I found that multiple partners at once is a lot more desirable in theory than in practice. I was young, though, and I wasn't ready for what the bisexual guy in my erstwhile threesome wanted to do. So I just watched them. I'll cop to voyeurism -- I'm most turned on by sound (I'm a musician), so when I was a teenager, I never cared that the porn channels were scrambled -- the sound was clear!

Oddly enough, I'm not a fan of receiving blowjobs. I don't know whay (any theories?), but they've historically not done it for me. On the other hand, I am devoted practitioner of cunnilingus. I simply love it. It may have something to do with needing to have my glasses off and hearing her as she's transported to writhing orgasm (plays into a bit of the aforementioned voyeurism). Knowing that I'm helping those unimaginably sexual sounds escape from my lover's lips is an intense turn-on. What's even better is going down on a woman who knows how her sex works and tells me how to please her! Yes, a little bit of innate skill is naturally a plus, but being told where is sexy, and being told how is even sexier.

So women, if you don't already know, learn what makes you writhe in delicate (or not-so-delicate!) euphoria. Any man worth your consent to oral sex will appreciate it at least, and adore you for it at best!


There -- now wasn't that last bit worth getting through the opening dissertation? :D

Oddly enough, I'm not a fan of receiving blowjobs. I don't know whay (any theories?), but they've historically not done it for me. On the other hand, I am devoted practitioner of cunnilingus. I simply love it. It may have something to do with needing to have my glasses off and hearing her as she's transported to writhing orgasm (plays into a bit of the aforementioned voyeurism). Knowing that I'm helping those unimaginably sexual sounds escape from my lover's lips is an intense turn-on. What's even better is going down on a woman who knows how her sex works and tells me how to please her! Yes, a little bit of innate skill is naturally a plus, but being told where is sexy, and being told how is even sexier.



You may be more inclined to be submissive? It sounds like it. Having someone go down on you tends to put you in a dominant position while the one going down is in a more submissive position. Also, taking instructions.

Well thats good for you. Sad, but good.
Thats what people with little equipment always seem to say.
Don't be a brat!

Have you read the Kama Sutra? There is a long discourse in it about people of certain sizes being right for one another. I have a very sensitive cervix, and I'm rather small, so much bigger than my husband is just plain painful. The guy I was seeing before I met the hubs was pretty big, and I found that if he went all the way in, I actually bled a bit, and was pretty damn sore after. Now, that might be nice every once in a while, but not for a long term relationship.

My sweet cheeks, today isnt the first time you've lulled me to sleep...
*slap*
Wake up! To attention! :D

You only like me when I'm naughty. Otherwise you just ignore me. It's not my fault if I slip something in while you're not looking... :eek:

There may be an evolutionary aspect of that notion that stems from technological and medical advancement. 200 years ago, the lifespan of the average industrial-nation citizen was much lower than it is now (I've got no links and I'm too tired now to search, but I'd bet it was closer to 40 than the 70+ is is now). As a result, sexual maturity came at earlier ages.

As societies developed and learned more about medicine and germ theory and all kinds of related life-extending things -- in addition to a greater average prosperity meaning a longer adolescence/education before entering the workforce -- sexual maturity began to shift to older ages. Some are of the opinion that you're not really a full-on adult until you're about 23. I don't think that's a new norm, but I can see that trend.

Of course, some will still mature very young, and there could be an entirely different set of environmental factors affecting that (hormones in milk comes to mind). It seems to me though, that the longer the lifespan (and the more material prosperity there is to promote extended childhood and adolescence), the more the expectation is that kids will not engage in significant sexual activity until they're 17 or older. Hence the "shock" (and absence of historical perspective) that accompanies reports of kids knocking boots at 13 or younger.

Here endeth the pontification.
Heh, don't confuse Evolution (the biology theory) with social evolution. There's no plausible way evolution can apply to humans on such a limited timescale.
Fact is that in most western cultures, people are usually somewhere between 15-18 when they become sexually active. Girls average younger than boys.

The concept of adulthood has changed a lot since biblical times, and it haven't been an entirely stable development either. I can't remember all the social history shite too well anymore, so I'm not gonna be very specific. Anyway, the privileges and responsibilities of adults have changed a lot. Wealth distribution have played a major part in this. For instance, a 25 year old upperclass male would hardly have been considered a responsible adult in England 200 years ago. At the same time, a 14 year old workingclass male would be considered an adult in all respects, execpt religious matters.
Going back 1000 years, the only people with privileges and responsibilities resembling what we term adults today, would have been village elders or the ruling class.

It's not plausible to claim human sexuality or maturity have changed at all within the last 5000 years. There's no historical evidence (that I've ever heard about anyway), to support any claims about that.
The effects of our increasingly polluted foodstuffs aren't apparent enough to make any final judgments yet. And as far as I'm aware, we've only known about possible effect since the mid 1970's.

I agree that our life expectancy have had a major impact on our moral values and the expectations we have for young people. Still, you can't in any way claim our increased lifespans have had any impact on when we mature.
Hardworking, dirt poor tribal people, living without healthcare, sanitation or modern foodsources mature at the same age as you do. Not earlier and not later. That's why it's not unusual in such cultures to marry off girls at 12, and have male initiation/adulthood rituals when the lads are about 14. The ages match when a typical human female & male (respectively) are sexually mature.

Since we know how big an impact sexual maturity has on our behaviour, I think it's futile to think children that age won't become sexually active. I do, however, agree that it's preferable for the majority if they don't. I had my own debut at 14, and honestly, I wish I'd waited. It wasn't much fun, and I spend at least a couple of months trying to figure out how it had impacted my life. Completely silly in hindsight. I should have waited a year or two. It isn't such a big deal for people at that age.

Returning to the adult thing, I don't think people really know what they're doing untill they've had some experience. Most the 20 year olds I know, I wouldn't consider adults. 25 year olds usually have the experience to act like adults.. That said, I know more than one 18 year old who're more adult than I am. Hell, I found out not too long ago that I've been hanging out with a 16 year old. I thought she was at least 20.

You may be more inclined to be submissive? It sounds like it. Having someone go down on you tends to put you in a dominant position while the one going down is in a more submissive position. Also, taking instructions.
This might explain my issue with oral sex as well...

Don't be a brat!

Have you read the Kama Sutra? There is a long discourse in it about people of certain sizes being right for one another. I have a very sensitive cervix, and I'm rather small, so much bigger than my husband is just plain painful. The guy I was seeing before I met the hubs was pretty big, and I found that if he went all the way in, I actually bled a bit, and was pretty damn sore after. Now, that might be nice every once in a while, but not for a long term relationship.

No-but I rented it once.

*L*

Female parts are supposed to adapt to male parts-it will take more than a few times,right?
Anyway, my wife loves to be "filled" and at the same time have her clitoris
massaged.

I'm still working my way up to a thousand strokes.

This might explain my issue with oral sex as well...


you prefer to give, or receive?

*slap*
Wake up! To attention! :D

You only like me when I'm naughty. Otherwise you just ignore me. It's not my fault if I slip something in while you're not looking... :eek:


I dont ignore you, sometimes, you have a way of numbing me...

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Good points, all. You're a very adept poster and a superior writer.

The "evolution" idea was just a postulation -- I know actual somatic evolution moves much slower than 200 year increments.

Myself, I was 21 when I "debuted", and I wasn't emotionally ready even then. However, she was patient and taught me a lot (for example male virgins don't tend to have the taboo/cache' that female virgins do because, well, I guess that's self-explanatory). I have matured an order of magnitude since then, and I am very glad of it. But even maturing in sexual ability and attitude can have its pitfalls. I spent a lot of money on airfare and an entire summer in Texas because I'd confused insanely good sex with love. Painful (and expensive) as that was to learn, it was a lesson I'm glad to have had because it sharpened my senses and instincts dramatically.

Awright, dammit, now I gotta go to the sites where I type with one hand. I knew this thread would make me think about that....
At least you can...I'm still at work. I have to wait until I get home to...um...entertain myself:)

Carn..where'd you go?

Ah -- a very good point. Sinuhue seems to have presented a topic that brings out your best! Ain't she wonderful?.

I've never actively considered myself either submissive or dominant. I like to think I can adjust to whatever's desired at the moment, which I guess, by definition, makes me somewhat submissive. But is that so even if I'm acting on instinct as opposed to instruction? And what if my instinct tells me to pick her up off the bed while I'm still inside her and transfer he back to the wall -- and she loves it? Is that dominance, or just going with my gut?


Good point- your last sentence describes dominance.

To be honest, I feel I fall into that same area-I really enjoy and l'm really good at cunnilingus. Having a long,striong and tireless tongue is certainly an advantage, but I do love her to writhe on the end of it. But then I love to flip her right over and drive it home.
I enjoy getting fellatio almost more than anything else too. maybe its the gemini thing? Are you a gemini too?

No-but I rented it once. Beautiful scenery...but nothing like the book:).

Female parts are supposed to adapt to male parts-it will take more than a few times,right? That only goes so far...and it's more widthwise than lengthwise.

Anyway, my wife loves to be "filled" and at the same time have her clitoris massaged.
Ditto on that!

You may be more inclined to be submissive? It sounds like it. Having someone go down on you tends to put you in a dominant position while the one going down is in a more submissive position. Also, taking instructions.

Ah -- a very good point. Sinuhue seems to have presented a topic that brings out your best! Ain't she wonderful?.

I've never actively considered myself either submissive or dominant. I like to think I can adjust to whatever's desired at the moment, which I guess, by definition, makes me somewhat submissive. But is that so even if I'm acting on instinct as opposed to instruction? And what if my instinct tells me to pick her up off the bed while I'm still inside her and transfer he back to the wall -- and she loves it? Is that dominance, or just going with my gut?

At least you can...I'm still at work. I have to wait until I get home to...um...entertain myself:)

Carn..where'd you go?


I'm cooking dinner at the same time. I'm not a total savage.

Ever had cous-cous cooked on the side burner of a grill before? Its too hot to turn the stove on inside.

I will have to run shortly-the family will be home from the beach soon...

you prefer to give, or receive?
Give. I don't mind receiving, but like I said, I can only handle it in short spurts.

I dont ignore you, sometimes, you have a way of numbing me...
Like when I talk politics? Careful, you're on the verge of calling me boring...I may get insulted!

Awright, dammit, now I gotta go to the sites where I type with one hand. I knew this thread would make me think about that....

Give. I don't mind receiving, but like I said, I can only handle it in short spurts.


huh,huh-huh...."Spurt"


I have to run. Never over cook lamb. or anything else for that matter.

Have fun and clean up when you're done.

I'm cooking dinner at the same time. I'm not a total savage.


Oops...I didn't realise I might be implying that :D

Like when I talk politics? Careful, you're on the verge of calling me boring...I may get insulted!


You may get pinned down and mouthed all over savagely... thats all you may do...

Have fun and clean up when you're done.
Always! Mind if I call your name out just for the hell of it? :eek:

So? You obviously consider ME boring or you would have responded to that post I made about your topic. :p
Yikes...it could've been lost in the general mayhem of General today...what's the post #?

Oops...I didn't realise I might be implying that :D


My wife says my theme song is "Werewolves of London"...

Picture an animal that can cook-well- and wears tailored suits when the occasion demands. I also love beef chow mein.


Awoooo...

Always! Mind if I call your name out just for the hell of it? :eek:


"I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name..."


I wouldnt mind, but- you dont know my name...

My wife says my theme song is "Werewolves of London"...

Picture an animal that can cook-well- and wears tailored suits when the occasion demands. I also love beef chow mein.


Awoooo...One of my favourite tunes...and yes, I can see how it would suit you!

"I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name..."


I wouldnt mind, but- you dont know my name...
Na...I'm stuck with using your post name...which sounds hilarious actually:) And if I start saying the names of all the Generalites I've talked dirty with, well, it gets even funnier!

One of my favourite tunes...and yes, I can see how it would suit you!


"you'd better watch out for him,
he'll lick you cross-eyed,Sin,
I'd like to meat his tailor....."

Like when I talk politics? Careful, you're on the verge of calling me boring...I may get insulted!
So? You obviously consider ME boring or you would have responded to that post I made about your topic. :p

Well, I hope I come back to this thread tomorrow and find pages of poster fantasies...and not just the women...you guys need to work on letting us know what gets your boat rocking! Be good, boys and girls...but not too good...chau!

Good points, all. You're a very adept poster and a superior writer.
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Damn you! I have no idea how to reply to that! :p
Seriously though, thank you very much. I think it would have been more true if you'd said that about yourself, but who am I to disagree? :D

Anyway, perhaps you're just a bit insecure? I was for a few years, especially about receiving oral. Either way, there's nothing wrong with being a bit submissive.
And I completely agree: There's nothing quite as sexy as a lover who explicitly tells you what s/he wants. Mmmm!

But you didn't answer my question about masturbation that isn't mutual....I'm asking you see, because I started that at 11.
o my bad. masturbation by yourself is ok whenever ;) (sorry for late response, was afk)

Nope. Leo. In fact, my 35th birthday is in two days. A full astrological chart told me that I have strong Libra and Virgo aspects. That led me to imagine that I'm a Lion with a big roar and no teeth.
/me Is floored

Good point- your last sentence describes dominance.

To be honest, I feel I fall into that same area-I really enjoy and l'm really good at cunnilingus. Having a long,striong and tireless tongue is certainly an advantage, but I do love her to writhe on the end of it. But then I love to flip her right over and drive it home.
I enjoy getting fellatio almost more than anything else too. maybe its the gemini thing? Are you a gemini too?

Nope. Leo. In fact, my 35th birthday is in two days. A full astrological chart told me that I have strong Libra and Virgo aspects. That led me to imagine that I'm a Lion with a big roar and no teeth.

Well, I hope I come back to this thread tomorrow and find pages of poster fantasies...and not just the women...you guys need to work on letting us know what gets your boat rocking! Be good, boys and girls...but not too good...chau!


And I check back in this morning to sheer dissapointment...

Nope. Leo. In fact, my 35th birthday is in two days. A full astrological chart told me that I have strong Libra and Virgo aspects. That led me to imagine that I'm a Lion with a big roar and no teeth.


Oh,well-I know very little about the astological stuff, but thought my sign might have some bearing on my dual personalities.

Ditto. I went on the pill very early, way before it was necessary. I hate the damn pill...it gave me terrible migraines and whacked me out hormonally...but it was a life saver a couple of times when I wasn't quite careful enough! I prefer the migraines to becoming a mom at 16!

Truth be told, I never wanted to discuss sex with my folks (who does?) but they never pressed the issue either. Perhaps it would've become more comfortable. I slept around a lot because I lacked self-confidence, and thought I could gain it that way. Plus I just plain liked sex. Now, I'm still very active sexually, but in a much healthier, more confident way. I wouldn't go back to the old days for any price!

Migraines! Yes a plauge of mine since I was 3!!! There were several times that the doc tried to get me onto BC to help my cycle from being so irregular. It was only till recently that I found one that I could use. If you still have probems with migraines try Ortho Evra if you can get it where you are. It's a patch; the hormones go directly into your blood stream and the hormones are low dosage, monophasic. I have had no migraines at all from Ortho Evra, but every pill i've tried has given severe migraines that were continual as long as I was taking that pill.

As far as sex goes, I say have fun. Screw guilt, it was meant to be enjoyed. Find what really gets you going and have fun experimenting with what entices you. An it harm none, do what ye will.

Personally I'm pretty much anything goes (except i'm afraid that anal sex really doesn't do a thing for me) aside from that I've no qualms about anything.

My Husband and I are in a mostly monogamous relationship. we do not have any interest in letting a 3rd person into our relationship, but neither would have a problem if the other wanted to enjoy a one night stand with someone that really entices either or both of us. But it would just be a one time thing, no continuing relationships aside from us afterward. While my husband and I don't use condoms when we're enjoying each other, we both have agreed that any sexual contact outside our relationship would be done with condoms.

So far to this day though that situation hasn't happened yet. Both of us happen to be very picky about our partners.

And I check back in this morning to sheer dissapointment...
Me too :( Sheesh people. Repress much?

Personally I'm pretty much anything goes (except i'm afraid that anal sex really doesn't do a thing for me) aside from that I've no qualms about anything.



Speaking for myself as a guy, I'm not much interested in it either. My wife isnt interested in it-and actually only one girl I was ever with wanted it-and I am well aware she was very submissive and thought her humiliation would please her partner. Dominance is one thing for me, but humility is totally seperate.

Speaking for myself as a guy, I'm not much interested in it either. My wife isnt interested in it-and actually only one girl I was ever with wanted it-and I am well aware she was very submissive and thought her humiliation would please her partner. Dominance is one thing for me, but humility is totally seperate.
Yikes! How are you doing it (or having it done) if it's about humiliation? You think gay men do it just to please their partner? That it doesn't actually feel pretty damn good? And as for women, well, most never try, because they think it will hurt, and some have tried, and it hurt because not enough care was taken...and then the rest of us have tried, been patient, and enjoy it. It has nothing to do with humiliation (for me).

Anal sex has been taboo for a long time, but that trend seems to be shifting. Now, I certainly don't like to tie wider sexual attitudes into pornography, but I can't help but notice that over the past ten years, this kind of sex in porn has become pretty mainstream. I don't think society (or porn stars) are getting more 'kinky'...I just think that less people consider this to be a 'wrong' way of having sex.

Yikes! How are you doing it (or having it done) if it's about humiliation? You think gay men do it just to please their partner? That it doesn't actually feel pretty damn good? And as for women, well, most never try, because they think it will hurt, and some have tried, and it hurt because not enough care was taken...and then the rest of us have tried, been patient, and enjoy it. It has nothing to do with humiliation (for me).

Anal sex has been taboo for a long time, but that trend seems to be shifting. Now, I certainly don't like to tie wider sexual attitudes into pornography, but I can't help but notice that over the past ten years, this kind of sex in porn has become pretty mainstream. I don't think society (or porn stars) are getting more 'kinky'...I just think that less people consider this to be a 'wrong' way of having sex.I think that's probably true - judging by titbits of information from my friends, it seems as if most of them have tried it (indeed, my best friend - who is gay - feels it is necessary to tell me about his anal sexploits in minute detail :eek: ). I've done it myself. I don't especially like it, as I find it somewhat uncomfortable (rather than extremely painful), but I don't hate it either. I personally don't consider it to be about humiliation, nor do I feel it is 'wrong' - each to their own and all that. Though my boyfriend kind of likes it particularly because of the traditional taboo attached to it :p However, I agree with Carnivorous Lickers that there is a line between submission and dominance. I'd say that this is more to do with attitudes (that may manifest themselves in one's behaviour) rather than the behaviour itself, though.

I agree that attitude is everything:)...but I don't see it as any more dominant than vaginal sex. A bit more 'kinky', only because of the taboo that surrounds it, I suppose. I know quite a few couples that have no problem talking about other aspects of their sex life, but get all mumbly and quiet when it comes to this particular act (even if they are doing it). Kind of strange...

Me too :( Sheesh people. Repress much?My battery died, that's why I dropped out...

I agree that attitude is everything:)...but I don't see it as any more dominant than vaginal sex. A bit more 'kinky', only because of the taboo that surrounds it, I suppose. I know quite a few couples that have no problem talking about other aspects of their sex life, but get all mumbly and quiet when it comes to this particular act (even if they are doing it). Kind of strange...Yeah, I don't really get why it's such a taboo. Is it because of the...er...potentially fecal practicalities of it? :D Seriously, I don't know - I agree that it's no more or less dominant than vaginal sex.

Yeah, I don't really get why it's such a taboo. Is it because of the...er...potentially fecal practicalities of it? :D Seriously, I don't know - I agree that it's no more or less dominant than vaginal sex.Well, unlike vaginal sex, it's usual to do it doggie style. It might have to do with the taboo that doggie style had and still has in some parts of the world, only pretty much being one step further, especially since it doesn't serve the purpose of "creating life".
I actually have a question, how do women receive pleasure from it?

I agree that attitude is everything:)...but I don't see it as any more dominant than vaginal sex. A bit more 'kinky', only because of the taboo that surrounds it, I suppose. I know quite a few couples that have no problem talking about other aspects of their sex life, but get all mumbly and quiet when it comes to this particular act (even if they are doing it). Kind of strange...


Theres really no taboo as far as I am concerned, we just dont enjoy it. As far as I'm concerned, the rest of what we can and do partake in,is such a playground of pleasure, neither of us are missing it.

And I'm not remotely curious of being on the rec end of anal. I'm not missing anything.

I agree about the attitude one takes toward anal...it really isn't that taboo of an act...It just depends on what the couple wants from sex, and anal can cater to sadists, masochists, and those who are neither.

I actually have a question, how do women receive pleasure from it?
Same way as men do. There are bundles of nerves, much as exist within the vaginal walls. It's a pretty sensitive area (hence the need to be patient and work in slowly). It can be just as stimulating as vaginal sex. For men, there is the added bonus of having a G-spot near the prostate gland...which is why some men enjoy a finger there during other frolicking. It's a very intense feeling...sometimes even more so than 'regular' sex.

And as for positions...well 'doggy style' is not the only position you can enjoy this in. Not by far.

Are there positions that people here dislike or feel uncomfortable with?

Well, unlike vaginal sex, it's usual to do it doggie style. It might have to do with the taboo that doggie style had and still has in some parts of the world...Really? Shows how uneducated I am about it ;) We've only ever done it lying on our sides, with him entering from behind. Though we have vaginal doggie style quite often (I am a fan of that, I must say :))
I actually have a question, how do women receive pleasure from it?I personally don't get a great deal of pleasure from it, but I believe there's some sort of spot somewhere up there that creates pleasureable feelings when stimulated.

Are there positions that people here dislike or feel uncomfortable with?Unlike most women (or so I believe, anyway), I am not a fan of woman-on-top. I'm too bloody lazy to do all the work, you see :p That said, I don't feel uncomfortable as such with it. As yet, I haven't really discovered any position that I really don't like.

Are there positions that people here dislike or feel uncomfortable with?Well, I wasn't able to do it standing up with my girlfriend. There was too much of a size difference for it to be comfortable. The same went for the traditional doggie style... she had to be lying down for me to enjoy it.
The only other problematic position we had was when she had both her legs propped up and I rested on them. It squeezed her shut too much for me to get much pleasure :( but when she only had one leg up, things worked out fine for both of us :D

Remember that the internat as porn for any type of fetish. Just cause theres a lot of it on the web does not mean it is actually popular. I have yet to meet someone who likes to be shit, pissed or puked on...during anything.

I have. I talked to this guy who liked to pee himself. And what an awkward conversation that was, seeing as we were both 13 at the time.

Unlike most women (or so I believe, anyway), I am not a fan of woman-on-top. I'm too bloody lazy to do all the work, you see :p That said, I don't feel uncomfortable as such with it. As yet, I haven't really discovered any position that I really don't like.
I'm with you on that one...I don't care for being on top, though there are some interesting positions (both facing the same direction) that hit some different spots. My favourite is from behind, and all variations of that. We've tried the whole wheelbarrow and standing on your head stuff...doesn't do anything for me. I don't find any position to be demeaning or wrong...but I know some people do (though I doubt they'd be on this thread in the first place to tell us about it:().

Unlike most women (or so I believe, anyway), I am not a fan of woman-on-top. I'm too bloody lazy to do all the work, you see :p That said, I don't feel uncomfortable as such with it. As yet, I haven't really discovered any position that I really don't like.I haven't had any good experiences with that either. I didn't get anywhere unless I was the one doing the work...

I don't find any position to be demeaning or wrong...but I know some people do (though I doubt they'd be on this thread in the first place to tell us about it:().Fair point!

I agree that you can vary the women-on-top position so that it's more interesting. I quite like sitting (as opposed to lying) on top of him, with my back to him - we can both do our fair share of the work involved that way. Aside from that, my favourites are doggie, and good old missionary (and variants thereof).

I haven't had any good experiences with that either. I didn't get anywhere unless I was the one doing the work...
Few guys I knew wanted to be a passive receiver for any great length of time (usually just about the time my legs got too weak to continue). So that works out well!

My favourite is from behind, and all variations of that.Ooh! I love 'em too. It has to do with the dominance thing I think, but also a lot with her being pretty much passive and helpless to do anything. It's especially fun, as I've stated before, when her hands are tied to her back :D
We've tried the whole wheelbarrow and standing on your head stuff...doesn't do anything for me. I don't find any position to be demeaning or wrong...but I know some people do Never tried anything like that... That's the drawback of having what the Question to Men thread titles as an "A". They may be cuddlier, but sometimes you just can't lift them for the time needed (mainly because she uses her weight as an excuse not to).
(though I doubt they'd be on this thread in the first place to tell us about it:().I'm pretty sure they're watching and reading in silence, those dirty little voyeurs :p

One really successful one for us is her face down(face up too) on the bed, me standing on the floor,behind her,holding her legs. You cant miss the bullseye in this position and she can scream into the matress so the kids & neighbors dont hear.
69 with me standing is good, for a short while,till all the blood races to her head.
her on top with her back to me.

Few guys I knew wanted to be a passive receiver for any great length of time (usually just about the time my legs got too weak to continue). So that works out well!It wasn't that I didn't mind receiving, I just didn't get any pleasure from it. She wanted to do it that way occasionally, but it was more of a "chore" for me, since it didn't do anything for me...

A girl I used to work with used to wear a skirt-and when she did, I knew we would do the following that day- drive to a nearby park-with me sitting in the passenger seat,she would sit on me, facing me. we wouldnt move for over a half hour, just flex from time to time. Then, with 15 minutes to get back to work, we would -and we exploded.
And then, we learned the trick where I would roll to my side with her so she didnt lose her payload all over me and the car.

One really successful one for us is her face down(face up too) on the bed, me standing on the floor,behind her,holding her legs. You cant miss the bullseye in this positionYes, that's a classic.

Laerod (I think it was) mentioned standing up earlier - unfortunately, my boyfriend is a foot taller than me, and we've had no joy whatsoever. If anyone has any tips about how to overcome this, I'd like to hear them - I'd really like to be able to try this successfully.

A girl I used to work with used to wear a skirt-and when she did, I knew we would do the following that day- drive to a nearby park-with me sitting in the passenger seat,she would sit on me, facing me. we wouldnt move for over a half hour, just flex from time to time.
I've only done that once (can you believe it?) with my hubby. It was very interesting, and intense. If a women gets strong enough, she can flex herself to O without having to touch a thing...great exercise by the way for women who've given birth! Doing this with him 'in attendance' is an added bonus, but I guess we've been too eager to do other stuff to try it again...I think I'll have to suggest it for an occasion where we actually have time!

Yes, that's a classic.

Laerod (I think it was) mentioned standing up earlier - unfortunately, my boyfriend is a foot taller than me, and we've had no joy whatsoever. If anyone has any tips about how to overcome this, I'd like to hear them - I'd really like to be able to try this successfully.
That's not enough information to understand what you're trying to do. You could always wrap your legs around him and lock your ankles, but then you would't be "standing." High heels can sometimes overcome problems in this area, or even just standing on a small platform. Stairs are fun too! :D

Yes, that's a classic.

Laerod (I think it was) mentioned standing up earlier - unfortunately, my boyfriend is a foot taller than me, and we've had no joy whatsoever. If anyone has any tips about how to overcome this, I'd like to hear them - I'd really like to be able to try this successfully.
I dated a really tall guy for a while (I'm 5', so really, most guys are quite a bit taller than me), and we just used a little foot stool to even out our height when doing the standing position. I liked being slammed against the wall noisily (not something I can do very often now with the kids sleeping and all...). If he's strong enough, he can lift you up and let you wrap your legs around him while he's standing and that should help too.

I've only done that once (can you believe it?) with my hubby. It was very interesting, and intense. If a women gets strong enough, she can flex herself to O without having to touch a thing...great exercise by the way for women who've given birth! Doing this with him 'in attendance' is an added bonus, but I guess we've been too eager to do other stuff to try it again...I think I'll have to suggest it for an occasion where we actually have time!
Any woman can learn to make herself cum by using "Kegel exercises" to develop that ability to pull and tug. Not only does it make it possible for a woman to have an orgasm without any other assistance, it makes her able to have them last longer, and as often as she likes. It's an awesome skill! :D

If she gets proficent enough at it, she can make her partner cum with no other effort on either of their part. It's very intense indeed.

That's not enough information to understand what you're trying to do. You could always wrap your legs around him and lock your ankles, but then you would't be "standing." High heels can sometimes overcome problems in this area, or even just standing on a small platform. Stairs are fun too! :DHigh heels, eh? :rolleyes: (to be interpreted as a "contemplating" smiley)
The wrap around don't work with "cuddly" girls, sadly. They may not break as easily and are more comfortable, but lifting them get's difficult...

I've only done that once (can you believe it?) with my hubby. It was very interesting, and intense. If a women gets strong enough, she can flex herself to O without having to touch a thing...great exercise by the way for women who've given birth! Doing this with him 'in attendance' is an added bonus, but I guess we've been too eager to do other stuff to try it again...I think I'll have to suggest it for an occasion where we actually have time!


The urge to give in and thrust is almost unbearable. We would actually talk about all sorts of things during this. And laugh when other people walked by. She liked doing it in semi-public places.

The urge to give in and thrust is almost unbearable. We would actually talk about all sorts of things during this. And laugh when other people walked by. She liked doing it in semi-public places.
Sounds like a Wonder Woman I know. CSG gets extremely excited by semi-public sex, especially since I'm so much older than her. I think she likes to shock people. ;)

I dated a really tall guy for a while (I'm 5', so really, most guys are quite a bit taller than me), and we just used a little foot stool to even out our height when doing the standing position. I liked being slammed against the wall noisily (not something I can do very often now with the kids sleeping and all...). If he's strong enough, he can lift you up and let you wrap your legs around him while he's standing and that should help too.


Strong enough to lift you? With what? Mr.Johnson?

Ever notice how much stronger a guy seems while making the beast with two backs? its almost like the Incredible Hulk.

No-strong enough is when you are standing 69, and he can turn you upright and do uou up against the wall without you ever touching the floor.
Thats strong enough.

Sounds like a Wonder Woman I know. CSG gets extremely excited by semi-public sex, especially since I'm so much older than her. I think she likes to shock people. ;)


It can be exciting, but I'm no big fan of it. I joked I was going to get the fake nose/moustache/glasses combo to conceal my identity.

I dont mind beach head when no one is around and you can see them approaching from a 100 yds away.

or road head.

Sounds like a Wonder Woman I know. CSG gets extremely excited by semi-public sex, especially since I'm so much older than her. I think she likes to shock people. ;):eek: How much older? :confused:
The biggest age difference I was in was 4 years, but that was with a 15 year old when I was 19. Nothing sexual though...

Strong enough to lift you? With what? Mr.Johnson?

Strong enough to support most of your weight rather than having you hanging off him. So you wrap your legs around him, but he's actually holding you up with his arms.

It can be exciting, but I'm no big fan of it. I joked I was going to get the fake nose/moustache/glasses combo to conceal my identity.

I dont mind beach head when no one is around and you can see them approaching from a 100 yds away.

or road head.
Yeah, I tried semi-public sex a couple of times, but I'm too timid at heart too enjoy it. I don't get the thrill from doing illicit (and semi-illegal, or outright illegal) things that some people seem to. I just get tense and worried, which kills my mood. But when there is little chance of being caught, I don't mind.

:eek: How much older? :confused:
The biggest age difference I was in was 4 years, but that was with a 15 year old when I was 19. Nothing sexual though...
None of yer damned business. LOL!

She's legal, if that's what you're driving at. Beyond that, she'll have to decide on her own how to answer that question. Want me to ask her for you? ;)

:eek: How much older? :confused:
The biggest age difference I was in was 4 years, but that was with a 15 year old when I was 19. Nothing sexual though...
Biggest age difference for a sexual partner was 20 years. I never dated anyone very much older than me (the hubby is only my senior by five years). I've only once been with someone younger than me, and that's when I was 18 and he was 17. Not a big difference in age, but a huge difference in maturity, although he sure had a lot of energy! :D

None of yer damned business. LOL!

She's legal, if that's what you're driving at. Beyond that, she'll have to decide on her own how to answer that question. Want me to ask her for you? ;)Go ahead, you've managed to pique my curiosity :D

Sounds like a Wonder Woman I know. CSG gets extremely excited by semi-public sex, especially since I'm so much older than her. I think she likes to shock people. ;)

Way to go, my friend. I salute you and will tell you something I bet you already know- Keep that girl happy,and-BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

Strong enough to support most of your weight rather than having you hanging off him. So you wrap your legs around him, but he's actually holding you up with his arms.That's silly. If he does it right, most of the weight will be carried by the pelvis (strongest muscles in the human body there :D). I've managed to lift my girlfriend, but she never let me carry her and I doubt I would have lasted all that long...

That's silly. If he does it right, most of the weight will be carried by the pelvis (strongest muscles in the human body there :D). I've managed to lift my girlfriend, but she never let me carry her and I doubt I would have lasted all that long...
Whichever muscles are holding you, as long as you aren't dragging him down is fine :p

proportionately, my tongue may be my strongest muscle.
I can almost pick her up with it...*L*

proportionately, my tongue may be my strongest muscle.
I can almost pick her up with it...*L*I was wondering why you picked that name...:p

I was wondering why you picked that name...:p


It sometimes pays to have a strong tongue. long is good too. But when she can wear out long before your tongue does, you're like superman.

It sometimes pays to have a strong tongue. long is good too. But when she can wear out long before your tongue does, you're like superman.
And with a little bit of stubble, just enough to scratch, but not irritate the sensitive skin of the inner thighs...very nice!

And with a little bit of stubble, just enough to scratch, but not irritate the sensitive skin of the inner thighs...very nice!My girlfriend preferred a light stubble when I sucked on her nipples. Actually, she often had me rub my chin on places that itched instead of scratching herself...:p

And with a little bit of stubble, just enough to scratch, but not irritate the sensitive skin of the inner thighs...very nice!

you're right on. I usually shave every three days when I'm not appearing anywhere. near perpetual stubble.

saving a fortune on those triple blades though.
and deodorant