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Hey, just a thought - perhaps Harry is Ddores horcruxe? Or perhaps Ddore is Harry's?? Does it actually say anywhere that the person who has the horcruxe has to have commited the murder? ~I don't think so - it just says a murder has to be committed...

It says that the soul is torn by committing the murder - thus, to make a horcrux conventionally, the person committing the murder has to make the horcrux of their own soul.

The other person's soul wouldn't be torn.

It says that the soul is torn by committing the murder - thus, to make a horcrux conventionally, the person committing the murder has to make the horcrux of their own soul.

The other person's soul wouldn't be torn.
then what abut the hand thing...?

then what abut the hand thing...?
not exactly the same as murder...

not exactly the same as murder...

Even with JK's evil, sadistic, twisted mind?

Even with JK's evil, sadistic, twisted mind?
:eek: but how can he be on the good side if he's a self-hand-murderer!

:eek: but how can he be on the good side if he's a self-hand-murderer!

The same way as Oby-Wan (sp?) can be in Star Wars - I mean, he basically committed suicide!!

Bumble bees rule punk... Come to think of it....I think Obi-Wan (sp?) more, let himself die...

Wow, other people who think that R.A.B. is Regulus Black!

Now lets see if I can find any support for my other borderline-psychotic theories. In CoS (I think), Dumbledore mentioned that when Voldemort tried to kill Harry, he transfered some of his powers to him, explaining Harry's ability to speak Parseltongue. This got me thinking. Could Harry be a Horcrux? Dumbledore mentioned that Horcruxes could be animals, and that he suspected Nagini...

i was considering Regulus Black, and your other theory isn't bad... i mean you have to kill to split your soul right, well voldie killed harry's parents right before harry... so maybe... just maybe... that's not actually a bad theory...

Bumble bees rule punk... Come to think of it....I think Obi-Wan (sp?) more, let himself die...He didn't die, he "became one with the Force" which is basically the same thing lol...

But yeah, he did, because he knew it would allow Darth Vader to survive and eventually kill his master, while Luke with the knowledge could become a Jedi Knight and fight Darth...I sometimes wonder exactly how much old Ben really knew.

dont know if this has been said as i didnt want to read all 14 pages of religious? stuff. so i think snape only killed dumbledore because he had to (due to binding agreement) maybe he is still secretly working to kill voldemort also the initals R.A.B point to dmbledore (something like reginald albus Deumbledore from other books) so maybe dumbledore had time to destory it or it was destoryed by him earlier and he had that amulet or destroyed by adava kadavra curse. tell me wat u think of these musings as we wont find out for a couple more years (at the rate Jk's writing)

one problem with R.A.B being Reginald Albus Dumbledore, the fact that Dumbledore startes with a D, not a B

just thought i'd point this fact out

one problem with R.A.B being Reginald Albus Dumbledore, the fact that Dumbledore startes with a D, not a B

just thought i'd point this fact out
and why would he kill himself nearly trying to get something he already replaced :rolleyes:

Harry and ginny! never saw that comin! i got it sat morn. finished sun nite

R.A.B. well this is a hard one1 He helped harry get rid of one of those things starting with a h! so hes ok

Harry and ginny! never saw that comin! i got it sat morn. finished sun niteYou obviously didn't read CoS carefully enough. ;)

You obviously didn't read CoS carefully enough. ;)
ermmm...Which pne is CoS?

ermmm...Which pne is CoS?#2.

#2.
i feel stupid now...but thank you

i feel stupid now...but thank youNo problem, dude. :cool:

I just finished it. I thought it was great. It ranks right up there with book 4. Here is my order of prefference:

The Goblet of Fire
The Half-blood Prince
The Chamber of Secrets
The Philosopher's Stone
The Prisoner of Azkaban
The Order of the Phoenix

Now, what I am concerned about after finishing this book is that Rowling will break from the concept that is supposed to bind the entire series together by not setting the final book in Hogwarts. We were always told this would be a series of books detailing the 7 years of a child's education in a school for wizards. The books even carry the subtitles Year 1 at Hogwarts, Year 2 at Hogwarts, Year 3 at Hogwarts, etc. Now we are being told book 7 may have nothing to do with Hogwarts. I certainly hope that isnt the case.

As for Harry being a horcrux, the thought had crossed my mind but more careful analysis proved that it doesnt make much sense. If Harry was a Horcrux, Voldemort would not be interested in killing him, he would be interested in protecting him. We know why Voldemort went after Harry, this was already revealed in book 5. Voldemort believed the prophecy and felt that Harry needed to die so that he wouldnt. We also know the spell used against harry was Avada Kedavra, a killing spell. It doesnt make much sense that Voldemort heard the prophecy which said only Harry could kill him, believed it then went out and turned him into a horcrux and then immediately tried to kill him.

the whole dead hand for horcrux thing... did dumbledore not explain what happened to his hand, it had to do with the ring as another of voldie's horcruxes?

I personally have to say I quite enjoyed all of the HP books. I only started reading them because my sister got the first one for christmas one year and wasn't interested, so I thought 'we have it, may as well' and i loved it.

about dumbledore making a horcruxe, i guess he could have blamed himself for Myrtle's death enough that it split his soul... and i think i would like to be able to believe that he will come back, but i do not really think he will. i think he is dead, the whole spirit idea is not bad, but he is definately dead

i have a sliver of hope for both snape and malfoy, i do not know, but I just do not think they can really be THAT evil... i suppose snape did murder dumbledore and is evil, but malfoy, at least, he could not do it, he did not have the guts to...

i do not think harry really needs to go back to hogwarts, i mean life can be a pretty good teacher itself, does he really need to learn more stuff he will probably never use in his quest to find and fight voldie?

i can't wait for the next book, i am a potter fan... not as big as some of my insane friends, but i think it's a great series.

I have to say that HBP was a real disappointment.

OoTP wasn't the best ever (GoF was THE best, all the way; followed by CoS), but hey, it was interesting.

This sucked.

I mean come the hell on, it didn't reveal a bit of interesting information except for "OMGZ VOLDERMORT SPLIT N HID HIS SOOUUUUULLLL", and that's it. Where are the big secrets about Lily Potter we were promised? The war within the wizarding world (heh, triple w. That sounded lame.)? Explaining why Sirius died? And why the FUCK did Dumbledore have to die at the hands of that lameass dickhead? I mean come on, they've killed two of the three best characters. First Sirius, then Dumbledore, and Hagrid will be next.

And now we're supposed to feel SORRY for that little Nazi idiot Draco?

The book doesn't even go anywhere, except for, like someone else so expertly put it earlier: "Dumbledore is dead".

What a crock.

First of all, HBP was $15 at Wal-Mart here in Missouri, $13 if you pre-ordered, so....ha.

Dumbledore is dead. Gone. Completely. Ain't coming back. Deal with it. The portrait of the previous headmaster doesn't show up in the office unless that headmaster is dead. That should be enough proof.

Dumbledore's phrase about not ever truly being gone while there are still those loyal to him is merely metaphorical. Don't read too far into it.

Snape still has a good possibility of being on the Order's side, considering that he was bound by the Unbreakable Vow to kill Dumbledore, since Malfoy failed. Snape could have died instead, but he's a good double agent....then again, how could he be one now? I still see him being a "good guy" considering he was forced into certain actions and others he willingly made, such as not killing Harry when they were dueling.

R.A.B. could be Regulus Black, but since everyone seems to think so, it probably isn't.

This book was easily one of the best for me since it showed so much character development.

I'm not sure about the future of Hogwarts. I'm sure that Harry will go back, since he said it was the only place that felt like home. If Hogwarts does stay opened, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Ministry operated.

It's possible Harry was made a Horcrux, since he did gain some of Voldemort's powers. This would even fulfill the prophecy because one would die (Harry) while the other survived (Voldemort). Of course, Voldemort never heard the prophecy, so we could just throw this idea out the window.

The book may seem a little rushed, but that's because Rowling has a contract. She's supposed to be getting these books out at a rate of one a year, unless I'm mistaken. I don't mind the lack of what happens in the summer, because we can fill that in ourselves. I didn't want to read through a hundred pages just to get to school. Also, the whole confusion about the Felix Felicis wasn't left out. Harry gave that to Ron and Hermione before he left.

Finally, at the end, I was pretty mad, but it all made sense. It fit together with the rest of the story, so it had to happen. No twisting of the story to make the readers happy, which is very good. I now understand that this book was much deeper and more mature than the others, but just because there wasn't as much action doesn't make it a bad book. That can actually make it a great one. Background information is pertinent to the story in order for it to progress and read the exciting stuff later.

Overall, I say it was outstanding.

I just finished it. I thought it was great. It ranks right up there with book 4. Here is my order of prefference:

The Goblet of Fire
The Half-blood Prince
The Chamber of Secrets
The Philosopher's Stone
The Prisoner of Azkaban
The Order of the Phoenix

I totally agree with you there, except I think I'd put the HBP in first... I'm sorry, but the Harry and Ginny part rocked :D

I remember Ron speculating about it, but I dont remember anywhere that confirms that suspicion.
If I am mistaken, provide a page number.

I don't know where you got speculation from. He doesn't say, "Well, I don't know but I think..." He doesn't even say, "I think." Harry asks what happens if you break it and Ron says, point-blank, "You die."

Sure.
But not by boys who would have been eight years old at the time.
Certainly, they wouldnt have known how to cast the spell needed for it.
Not if was truly dark magic.

There was no charm for it. It seems to be something that happens as long as you have someone with a wand, your hands together, and you swear to an unbreakable vow.

Of course, even in the boys had simply heard something about it and were actually doing it incorrectly, Mr. Weasley would have had a cow.

Anyone who doesn't want to know what happens in the latest installment of Harry Potter - Look away now.....anyone else, listen closely....

I have spent the whole day reading Half Blood Prince............

Dumbledore is dead...

Any questions?

Does anyone else think this book was the worst well not the worst but not as good as 4 and 5

Does anyone else think this book was the worst well not the worst but not as good as 4 and 5

I liked it, but I didn't think it was nearly as good as 4 or 5.

It seemed a little more like it was passing time while establishing a few base facts for the next book.

Still, the ending shook me up.

I have to say that HBP was a real disappointment.

OoTP wasn't the best ever (GoF was THE best, all the way; followed by CoS), but hey, it was interesting.

This sucked.

I mean come the hell on, it didn't reveal a bit of interesting information except for "OMGZ VOLDERMORT SPLIT N HID HIS SOOUUUUULLLL", and that's it. Where are the big secrets about Lily Potter we were promised? The war within the wizarding world (heh, triple w. That sounded lame.)? Explaining why Sirius died? And why the FUCK did Dumbledore have to die at the hands of that lameass dickhead? I mean come on, they've killed two of the three best characters. First Sirius, then Dumbledore, and Hagrid will be next.

And now we're supposed to feel SORRY for that little Nazi idiot Draco?

The book doesn't even go anywhere, except for, like someone else so expertly put it earlier: "Dumbledore is dead".

What a crock.

Don't you think taht you are taking the whole intrested in Harry Potter thing a bit far, Imean calm down its only a book, but i do agree Dumbledore dieing was the only exciting part, Really I think this book was just about telling everyone about Voldemort's story and how to kill him.... I do wonder how the 7th book is gonna go though if Harry's not at Hogwarts

Yeah, this entire book was background info for the next book, all of it - it didn't have its own unique story like the other books, even the "half-blood prince" deal probably was jsut background info for somethnig about snape next book

I don't think that this book was supposed to be real deep. I honestly believe that its whole intent was to introduce the concept of the Horcrux's and by having yet another person dear to Harry die, set the stage for the final book, and Harry's quest to kill Voldemort. I'm sorry if this topic has already been talked about, but I don't have the time to read through the entire thread at the moment.

Oh wait I forgot to ask I've read it but I still did not get the whole Madame Rosmereta being Immperiusededed.... also who thinks Hogwarts will be shut down in the 7nth book.... One last thing Did anyone not laugh at the scene where they are all in the hospital wing and Fleur Delacour said she'd still marry Bill even though he'd been ripped to shreads, how cheesey is that.

Bah! I just wanted Harry to go on a killing spree! Come on, J.K., make them live up to their name and have them Eat Death...

Oh wait I forgot to ask I've read it but I still did not get the whole Madame Rosmereta being Immperiusededed.... also who thinks Hogwarts will be shut down in the 7nth book.... One last thing Did anyone not laugh at the scene where they are all in the hospital wing and Fleur Delacour said she'd still marry Bill even though he'd been ripped to shreads, how cheesey is that.
Yeah, that was the epitome of sappy. The half-veela person wills till love the part werewolf person with his face ripped up then she and the mom cry and hgu each other

Bah! I just wanted Harry to go on a killing spree! Come on, J.K., make them live up to their name and have them Eat Death...LMAO! I don't think their name is literal.

that all makes sence, and whoever said i should read it and find out is a nickenpoop. i would like to read it i would, i have dyslexia and it takes me around 3 minutes to read a page, so next time you tell me to read something think first!!! and like hell i am paying £11.00 for a book. humph can get a simpsons comic for £1.50 so there. *turns back*

How the hell is anyone going to know you're dyslexic? Anyone could still tell you to read something -- unless you prefer hiding behind your disability. It'll be out on tape eventually, too. It's one thing to deal with dyslexia, it's quite another to be a jerk about it.

Yeah, like I said earlier, she rushed the damn thing - stupid bloody woman - and it's been poorly bloody edited hasn't it?? I mean hardly anything in it makes gramatical sense let alone normal sense

Stuff it, Welshie.

Stuff it, Welshie.

So I'm welsh when it suits you then? People generally say I'm english *spit*

And now we're supposed to feel SORRY for that little Nazi idiot Draco?

Thats uncalled for. Why would even call Draco a "little Nazi"? How do you even arive at that?

How the hell is anyone going to know you're dyslexic? Anyone could still tell you to read something -- unless you prefer hiding behind your disability. It'll be out on tape eventually, too. It's one thing to deal with dyslexia, it's quite another to be a jerk about it.I suppose because of the way s/he talks and writes? :rolleyes:

Dyslexia isn't a silent disease, you know.

I have never read any of the HP books and don't plan to. If I do I might read the first 3.

I think the whole HP has become overhyped.

For something less hyped and could be as equally as good I recommend The Belgariad and The Malloreon by David Eddings
Don't think Eddings is a brilliant writer. Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials is a much closer match for HP than those books. And they are undoubtedly brilliant books...
I feel that Phoenix was a little down from Rowling's standard, all right - which is not literature, but just fun reading. It's still a lot more enjoyable than most books I've read.
Yeah, the relationships were... weird. Herminone being so stupid about Ron and their love life confuses me, as she's so smart about everyon else's... Harry/Ginny seemed very random, I know there were clues, and it was inevitable, but from nothing to wanting to kill Dean in a few lines? Ron and Lavender was even more train-wreckingly random.
But I still enjoyed it, even though Goblet is probably my favourite.

I think Dumbledore ASKED Snape to kill him, so as to worm his way further into Voldemort's good graces, and so Harry would have to/get to kill him. After all, he does say "Please.." to Snape... I assumed at first it could be him begging for his life, but this way is more conspiracy theory-ish, and fun! And I'd like to thank my friends who suggested this crazy thing...

And now we're supposed to feel SORRY for that little Nazi idiot Draco?

Thats uncalled for. Why would even call Draco a "little Nazi"? How do you even arive at that?

He probably arrived at that because he can recognise symptoms of naziism from looking in the mirror? i.e. he's probably one himself...

Someone who doesn't surrender to every whim of the reader, and to Hollywood.

Think about it, in the beginning she said that there was no way that ron and hermione were going to get together, now, hang on, are they on the verge of getting together? Hmm......People always snape would end up killing someone....hello, what's happened now? etc etc etc....
She said there was no chance of HARRY and Hermione ever ending up together... Which crushed me, as a (then) dedicated H/H shipper. And if you think Adams is the greatest author to have ever lived... He's hilarious, but Mostly Harmless is even more of a drop from the standard of the series than Half-Blood Prince is from the rest of HP.
And I hate the word snogging. Let's try using 'kiss', shall we?

She said there was no chance of HARRY and Hermione ever ending up together... Which crushed me, as a (then) dedicated H/H shipper. And if you think Adams is the greatest author to have ever lived... He's hilarious, but Mostly Harmless is even more of a drop from the standard of the series than Half-Blood Prince is from the rest of HP.
And I hate the word snogging. Let's try using 'kiss', shall we?

Nothing wrong with "snogging" - is a good word!! I'm guessing ur American...?

Yeah, the relationships were... weird. Herminone being so stupid about Ron and their love life confuses me, as she's so smart about everyon else's...

Plenty of people are like that though. So busy being nosy they don't stop to consider themselves properly

Ron and Lavender was even more train-wreckingly random.

It was meant to be. That was, basically, the point

I think Dumbledore ASKED Snape to kill him, so as to worm his way further into Voldemort's good graces, and so Harry would have to/get to kill him. After all, he does say "Please.." to Snape... I assumed at first it could be him begging for his life, but this way is more conspiracy theory-ish, and fun! And I'd like to thank my friends who suggested this crazy thing...

I agree

Nothing wrong with "snogging" - is a good word!! I'm guessing ur American...?
I've never been more offended in my life! :p Nope, I'm Irish. I just hate the word 'snog'. Also the word 'minging'. And I've tried to cut out 'chift' and 'meet', which are words we use over here for kiss...
Heron-Marked Warriors (a Jordan fan, I'm guessing?), I know, and I was up til two talking about this to a friend, but she just strikes me as too smart for all that... Then again, I know plenty of smart people who aren't all that good at listening to their own relationship advice...

Err... I don't care if someone's already posted this question... But I'm gonna post it again if they did!

Alright, I'm slow, don't laugh. Did Dumbledore's hand get all fuxed up because of Marvolo's ring? He never really said... Straightforwardly at least.

And Dumbledore's dead! I mean, wtf. The whole school's gonna be overrun with Death Eaters day and night. Yeah, Dumbledore's dead. And does anyone know who R.A.B. is? I can't seem to figure it out... Or would she tell us in the 7th book?

And Voldemort is... Weird. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :sniper: :mad:

Err... I don't care if someone's already posted this question... But I'm gonna post it again if they did!

Alright, I'm slow, don't laugh. Did Dumbledore's hand get all fuxed up because of Marvolo's ring? He never really said... Straightforwardly at least.

And Dumbledore's dead! I mean, wtf. The whole school's gonna be overrun with Death Eaters day and night. Yeah, Dumbledore's dead. And does anyone know who R.A.B. is? I can't seem to figure it out... Or would she tell us in the 7th book?

And Voldemort is... Weird. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :sniper: :mad:

Too many people keep saying that RAB is Regalous black (SP) Sirius' cousin or something - so I doubt it's him but I have no other suggestions so...

It's not. Regulus Black died remember? Dumbledore said something about... Regulus dying only a few days after Voldemort came back... Or something like that. He was comparing Black to another Death Eater... Karkaroff maybe? But anyway, it's not Regulus Black, so get it out of your heads...

Oh... Just incase you go on to say that maybe he stole it before he died, he was a faithful Death Eater, because I have read nothing that would say otherwise.

It's not. Regulus Black died remember? Dumbledore said something about... Regulus dying only a few days after Voldemort came back... Or something like that. He was comparing Black to another Death Eater... Karkaroff maybe? But anyway, it's not Regulus Black, so get it out of your heads...

Oh... Just incase you go on to say that maybe he stole it before he died, he was a faithful Death Eater, because I have read nothing that would say otherwise.

I have read other wise - can't remember where though... but like I said everyone seems to think it IS him, therefore by default I'm saying that it ISN'T him.....

It's not. Regulus Black died remember? Dumbledore said something about... Regulus dying only a few days after Voldemort came back... Or something like that. He was comparing Black to another Death Eater... Karkaroff maybe? But anyway, it's not Regulus Black, so get it out of your heads...

Oh... Just incase you go on to say that maybe he stole it before he died, he was a faithful Death Eater, because I have read nothing that would say otherwise.
no, they said regulus survived only a couple days after betraying voldermont when they were talknig about karkaroffs body being found

To all the detractors from the Harry Potter books:

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This is just another example of intellectual or pseudo-intellectual (some of you think you're a lot cleverer than you are) snobbery with regards to populist materials. The books may not be the greatest literature ever, but they are still a bloody good read! Those sneering at Rowling - and even her grammar for God's sake - are inflicting their wish to be neutered by academia on the rest of us. It is grating in the first degree to read synopses punctuated by a heady mix of sexism, arrogance and anti-populism. Sometimes it might be worth considering throwing yourselves out of the window along with the bestseller.

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I doubt that Ron or Hermione is going to die. Probably someone else that they meet along the way but not them. WHO THE HELL IS R. A. B.? Dumbledore died for no reason. That sucks so bad.

I think Harry is going to die!
He will have to sacrifice himself to defeat Voldemort, maybe, its just a suggestion...

Heron-Marked Warriors (a Jordan fan, I'm guessing?), I know, and I was up til two talking about this to a friend, but she just strikes me as too smart for all that... Then again, I know plenty of smart people who aren't all that good at listening to their own relationship advice...

Yep, a Jordan fan.

No, Hermione wasn't the most convincing charcter ever in that respect, but it isn't completley unlikely.

Wooshaba'] WHO THE HELL IS R. A. B.?

I reckon that R A B is Regulus Black, who was related to Sirius, and I think was his brother. He was a Death Eater, but tried to turn to the 'good' side and was killed. Him being killed links in with the note saying, 'when you get this I will be dead'(roughly). And also, in O Of the P, they found a silver locket that they couldn't oipen, (i rekon the horcrux) in Grimauld Place while looking through the draws.

I also reckon that Draco is going to go good right at the end, Snape may do something a bit nice. But Ginny will definitely die, for maybe Harry tells her to stay away, and she jumps infront of him with a 'NOOOOOOOOOO!!!' and is killed by Lord V. Harry will die if Ginny doesn't. I can see Hermione or Ron doing the thing like Gandalf in LOTR, when everyone thinks they are dead, but saves the day at the last moment.

all right i believed Dumbledore is dead and part of me still does but i have opend my mind and remembered something Dumbledore said.

"It's all my fault, all my fault," he sobbed. "Please make it stop, I know I did wrong, oh please make it stop and I'll never, never again..."

and

Dumbledore began to cower as though invisible torturers surrounded him; his flailing hand nearly knocked the refilled goblet from Harry's trembling hands as he moaned, "Don't hurt them, don't hurt them, please, please, its my fault, hurt me instead..."

Now i know this is not any hard fact but think. What if this was his memory of something that happened to him when he was younger. Some kind of dark wizard had Dumbledore in his power and was killing people and Dumbledore could do nothing about it. He could have considered it his fault for not being strong enough to save these people or he possibly made a mistake and hurt someone innocent and caused that person's death. Either of these could have been enough to tear his soul and I would feel bad but if the option was open i think i might make a horcrux off of it.

Now i know this is not any hard fact but think. What if this was his memory of something that happened to him when he was younger. Some kind of dark wizard had Dumbledore in his power and was killing people and Dumbledore could do nothing about it. He could have considered it his fault for not being strong enough to save these people or he possibly made a mistake and hurt someone innocent and caused that person's death. Either of these could have been enough to tear his soul and I would feel bad but if the option was open i think i might make a horcrux off of it.

Seems much more likely to me that the potion had the effect of causing him to see whatever he feared most, and that he was seeing the students being tortured/murdered etc.

Alright, Character by Charcter prediction of Book 7

Dumbledore- Speaks a few times through painting

Harry- While hunting for horcruxes, kills death eaters that have killed members of the order, Kills Voldemort, Book ends with harry in front of parents grave in godrics hollow

Ron- Relationship grows deeper with hermione, Possible engagement?

Hermione- See above

Ginny- Sacrifices self to save harry, bestows ancient magic the Harry's mother put on him by dying to save him again

Snape- Harry kills him in rage

Draco- Voldemort kills him for his failure

Bellatrix Lestrange- Harry kills her in rage

Narcissa Malfoy- Attacks voldemort after death of Malfoy, dies

Hagrid- Raises up army of giants, commands them

Grawp- Helps hagrid communicate to giants

Other members of weasley family- No deaths other than ginny, adopt harry

Voldemort- Kills bunch of people in final battle, gets in one on one duel with harry

Now detailing final battle between voldemort and harry

Voldemort kills a bunch of ministry folk
Gets in one on one fight with harry
Ginny jumps in front of Avada Kedavra spell to save harry
Ginny dies, puts back magic that was on harry from his mothers death
Harry gets pissed, Kills voldemort after long drawn out fight
Harry wins

Alright, Character by Charcter prediction of Book 7

Dumbledore- Speaks a few times through painting

Harry- While hunting for horcruxes, kills death eaters that have killed members of the order, Kills Voldemort, Book ends with harry in front of parents grave in godrics hollow

Ron- Relationship grows deeper with hermione, Possible engagement?

Hermione- See above

Ginny- Sacrifices self to save harry, bestows ancient magic the Harry's mother put on him by dying to save him again

Snape- Harry kills him in rage

Draco- Voldemort kills him for his failure

Bellatrix Lestrange- Harry kills her in rage

Narcissa Malfoy- Attacks voldemort after death of Malfoy, dies

Hagrid- Raises up army of giants, commands them

Grawp- Helps hagrid communicate to giants

Other members of weasley family- No deaths other than ginny, adopt harry

Voldemort- Kills bunch of people in final battle, gets in one on one duel with harry

Now detailing final battle between voldemort and harry

Voldemort kills a bunch of ministry folk
Gets in one on one fight with harry
Ginny jumps in front of Avada Kedavra spell to save harry
Ginny dies, puts back magic that was on harry from his mothers death
Harry gets pissed, Kills voldemort after long drawn out fight
Harry wins

Most of that I agree with except the stuff about Harry.....Harry is on the side of Good - good always prevails.....however....good doesn't kill - JK has said all throughout the books that Dumbledore has never used dark magic, and has therefore never killed. Harry is altogether too good to kill - he will not kill anyone not even vmort....I reckon that Harry allows Vmort to kill him, which in turn kills vmort - thus the story is finished - remember about the magic that harry's mother left in harry - it allowed basically that he and vmort were connected - remember in book 5 he was seeing what vmort was seeing and feeling what he was feeling.....they are connected - vmort doesn't realise this........harry has other magic now, he is in a way connected to ddore - ddore took the poison for harry, he got killed by snape for harry, harry is protected by ddore's love...

I add my voice to those who believe R.A.B. was Regulus Black.

But there's something I'm astonished no one has figured out yet. The Chosen One isn't Harry.

It's Neville.

How many times has Harry thought to himself that, but for a quirk of fate and the fact that Voldemort decided that HARRY was the one who was prophesied to kill him, that it could have been Neville in his shoes instead? And how often do we see Neville wandering around doing all sorts of stuff in the background that isn't explained?

While all the world focuses on Harry, and Harry flirts closer and closer with the Dark Arts because of his rage and desire for vengeance, someone's going to have to be the one who, like Dumbledore, saves the day with a pure heart. If there's something that JKR is consistent with, it's taking things and people that seem so inconsequential and BAM! surprising us with them having been the Big Important Thing all along. Just think of Scabbers/Peter Pettigrew.

Neville's been growing up in Harry's shadow, but he hasn't gotten so close to going over the edge like Harry has. It seems to me that, although James Potter was such a hero and on a pedestal in Harry's mind originally, we've found out previously that he wasn't such a nice guy, considering how much he bullied Snape. Harry's got his dark side, too. I think he may well go on a tare, out for Voldy's blood and wiping out Death Eaters right and left, but I think it will be Neville who stands up and saves the day in the end, probably reminding an enraged Harry what love is really about.

And I think Draco will end up helping out the good guys by the end, thanks to Dumbledore's sacrifice. I think Harry still has a lot to learn from Snape's book to prepare him for his final encounter with the Half-Blood Prince (who I'm not entirely convinced is "Voldemort's man" the way Harry is "Dumbledore's man"), but that he's got to make up a few spells himself (or with Hermione's help) that will be able to catch Severe Snake and Moldwart -- err, Severus Snape and Voldemort - off guard.

I thought this book somewhat redeemed JKR after OotP. Phoenix was so boring that by the time I read HBP, I'd already forgotten half of what happened in it.

(The following post includes a spoiler, but hell, if you're reading this thread, you are bound to have seen it already.)

Ohhhhhhhh, the horror! The death of Albus Dumbledore has left me emotionally wounded. I actually cried. (You have no idea how rare this is to me; I don't think I've ever cried from reading a book before.) The betrayal... and I'm not speaking of Snape, as I knew he was "The Enemy" for a reason the whole series... no, I am speaking of J.K. Rowling, a woman I've idolized for obvious reasons, building Albus up as a character to be wise, cheerful, and loveable, then killing him off when he was most needed. It's a knife in the back! Yet, at the same time, I must smile to myself because I knew it would happen. I KNEW a character would die, and I figured it would be one I cared about, and as the story progressed, it became isntantly clear: my favorite wizard of them all would become a lifeless corpse within the next two hundred pages. The sad thing was, even in the end, he was determined to trust Snape. In fact, I would not be surprised if they were friggin' secret lovers.

On the subject of R.A.B., after consulting the Harry Potter Lexicon, I have come to the conclusion that either it is a character we do not yet know (or know enough about), or it is Regulus Whatever Black. I think I will have to consult an acronym dictionary on this, but it will most likely continue to haunt me until book seven comes out.

But there's something I'm astonished no one has figured out yet. The Chosen One isn't Harry.

It's Neville.

NSer's: Is your village missing its idiot? if yes, TG Happy Happy Elfland to make her go home.

How many times has Harry thought to himself that, but for a quirk of fate and the fact that Voldemort decided that HARRY was the one who was prophesied to kill him, that it could have been Neville in his shoes instead?

That's the point. Voldemort inadvertantly picked Harry to be marked as his equal, not Neville.

And how often do we see Neville wandering around doing all sorts of stuff in the background that isn't explained?

Maybe never.

im half through the series

edit sorry ment book

Whoever said that Voldemort chose Harry and that Neville can't be the Chosen One is right. Prophecy states that he'll pick one to be his equal, and Harry and Neville were both possible choices, but Voldemort chooses Harry and not Neville. That whole pure of heart thing... Who actually paid attention to it? I didn't. Harry wants revenge but that doesn't necessarily mean he's edging off towards the Dark Arts. Let's just say we were one of them. Us ordinary "Muggles". Someone kills my parents, and a whole bunch of other people that I know/love. No matter how "good" I am, I would still want to kill the person that committed that crime no matter what. It's human. So don't pop a vein trying think that Harry isn't the Chosen one.

Again, how on earth can R.A.B. be Regulus? What reason did he have to go after one of Voldemort's horcrux? What did he have against him? Most of Voldemort's Death Eaters are terrified of him, especially when they turn against him. I doubt that Regulus is brave enough to track down a horcrux and steal it, then leave a note with his initials. And, how did Regulus even KNOW about the horcruxes? If he was such an important character, they would've said more about him... More than just saying that he died a few days later, etc. Excuse me if I'm wrong.

Us ordinary "Muggles".Speak for yourself. :)

Another thing. This had been eating at the back of my brain ever since I read it: Since there's a talking, pretty much LIVING painting of Dumbledore in the Headmaster/Headmisstress' office, can't that Dumbledore guide Harry and whoever else just as well? I mean, he can talk right? So why not keep encouraging and guiding Harry on his way to Voldemort and things... Anyone have any views on this whole... Portrait thing? Think about Phineas Nigellus... He acted like any normal living person, so why can't Dumbledore?
:confused: :confused: :confused: :(

It's not. Regulus Black died remember? Dumbledore said something about... Regulus dying only a few days after Voldemort came back... Or something like that. He was comparing Black to another Death Eater... Karkaroff maybe? But anyway, it's not Regulus Black, so get it out of your heads...

Oh... Just incase you go on to say that maybe he stole it before he died, he was a faithful Death Eater, because I have read nothing that would say otherwise.
Regulus was killed the first time Voldemort was in power - fifteen years ago. He's dead by the time Sirius shows Harry his family tree in OotP. And he only survived betraying Voldy by a few days. RAB - who else in the series has those initials? That is assuming, of course, that Regulus' middle name begins with A...

@Elfland: Nope. Dumbledore (I think) even explains this, when Harry is feeling down or something. The reason Harry is the Chosen One is because Voldemort chose him. Now, Neville will be important, but he ain't the Chosen One.
@Everyknowledge: I think Dumblydore was right to trust Snape. I don't think he's evil. I think Dumbledore was begging him to KILL him, not spare him. Can you see Dumbledore pleading for his life?
My random predictions for Harry Potter and the Last Book Unless JK Rowling Decides to Make More Money (:p) are:
Ron and Hermione get together, but one dies (I'm thinking... Hermione, cos everyone thinks Ron)
Snape turns out to be good.
Draco turns out to be evil, but has a sudden change of heart and sacrifices himself for Harry.
Only the climax is in Hogwarts.
There were more, but I forget...

EDIT: Post 200! In a mere two and a half years! Woohoo!

Speak for yourself. :)

Haha... I would love to be a witch... All who hate being a Muggle, say I.

Again, how on earth can R.A.B. be Regulus? What reason did he have to go after one of Voldemort's horcrux? What did he have against him? Most of Voldemort's Death Eaters are terrified of him, especially when they turn against him. I doubt that Regulus is brave enough to track down a horcrux and steal it, then leave a note with his initials. And, how did Regulus even KNOW about the horcruxes? If he was such an important character, they would've said more about him... More than just saying that he died a few days later, etc. Excuse me if I'm wrong.
He left Voldemort's employ, which is why he was killed... It's the only character we know who it could be - it could easily be a new person.

I...o, wait I ain't a muggle :D

Regulus was killed the first time Voldemort was in power - fifteen years ago. He's dead by the time Sirius shows Harry his family tree in OotP. And he only survived betraying Voldy by a few days. RAB - who else in the series has those initials? That is assuming, of course, that Regulus' middle name begins with A...

Sure, his initials might be R.A.B. (For some odd reason I keep thinking Augustus....), but I doubt that Regulus was smart enough to find the horcrux. Someone mentioned that it is probably a new character, and by now, I agree, unless there's another previously mentioned character with first name R. and last name B. Racked my brain like crazy but found nothing. Hurray for a new character... And speaking of new characters, that Scrimgeour is a prat.

:D :p All who is non-Muggle, say I!

Another thing. This had been eating at the back of my brain ever since I read it: Since there's a talking, pretty much LIVING painting of Dumbledore in the Headmaster/Headmisstress' office, can't that Dumbledore guide Harry and whoever else just as well? I mean, he can talk right? So why not keep encouraging and guiding Harry on his way to Voldemort and things... Anyone have any views on this whole... Portrait thing? Think about Phineas Nigellus... He acted like any normal living person, so why can't Dumbledore?
:confused: :confused: :confused: :(
I'm actually hoping that "Picture Perfect Dumbledore" will know how to materialize himself, or "jump out" of the portrait, or something like that.

Haha... I would love to be a witch... All who hate being a Muggle, say I.I'm not a wizard, either. I have the power to turn people into them, though.

Unfortunately—as the power has fallen into the hands of a greedy, conceited, sadistic asshole like me—I won't make you one. Mwahahahaa! http://s2.phpbbforfree.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif

I doubt that, only because if it could be done, I'm pretty sure all the other headmasters/headmistresses would've "jumped out", too, along with every other dead person with a portrait. Even the Fat Lady and Sir... Whatshisface by the Room of Requirement. The crazy Knight. I wish he could too, but I don't see why he can't still guide Harry.

I'm not a wizard, either. I have the power to turn people into them, though.

Unfortunately—as the power has fallen into the hands of a greedy, conceited, sadistic asshole like me—I won't make you one. Mwahahahaa! http://s2.phpbbforfree.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif

Make me a witch? Please? :D I'll give you chocolate(s)...

[God, I'm such a dumbass... I could've just edited it... But nooo... I HAD to delete it].

:D :p All who is non-Muggle, say I!I!

Make me a witch? Please? :D I'll give you chocolate(s)...

[God, I'm such a dumbass... I could've just edited it... But nooo... I HAD to delete it].How old are you? It might be too late by now. You have to be under the age of 13 to be turned into a human with magical powers.

Regulus was killed the first time Voldemort was in power - fifteen years ago. He's dead by the time Sirius shows Harry his family tree in OotP. And he only survived betraying Voldy by a few days. RAB - who else in the series has those initials? That is assuming, of course, that Regulus' middle name begins with A...

@Elfland: Nope. Dumbledore (I think) even explains this, when Harry is feeling down or something. The reason Harry is the Chosen One is because Voldemort chose him. Now, Neville will be important, but he ain't the Chosen One.
@Everyknowledge: I think Dumblydore was right to trust Snape. I don't think he's evil. I think Dumbledore was begging him to KILL him, not spare him. Can you see Dumbledore pleading for his life?
My random predictions for Harry Potter and the Last Book Unless JK Rowling Decides to Make More Money (:p) are:
Ron and Hermione get together, but one dies (I'm thinking... Hermione, cos everyone thinks Ron)
Snape turns out to be good.
Draco turns out to be evil, but has a sudden change of heart and sacrifices himself for Harry.
Only the climax is in Hogwarts.
There were more, but I forget...
@Kalmykhia: If Snape wanted to put Dumbledore "out of his misery", a lighter curse, hex, jinx, or potion, would have been perfectly suitable. He never gave a damn about the Headmaster. EVER! He just waited 'till Dumbledore was weakened severely, and he had an entire crew of Death Eaters to protect him from the big, bad, scawy Awbus Dumbwydore.


I feel the need to mock him. "Hi, I'm the Half-Blood Prince, fear me, but, I don't fear anyone... at all... Malfwoy, can you save me? I'M NOT A COWARD! HOW DARE YOU CALL ME THAT? Malfoooooooooy.... kill him! Okay, I guess I will..." *Timidly flicks wand and whispers Unforgivable Curse.*


*Ahem* Anyway, I suppose there is the possibility that he used that particular curse so as not to look suspicious to the Death Eaters, and in the end, he'll help the Order, but dammit, I still hate his guts.

Think she's tryed to be adult but has kinda failed, think she's risking distancing herself from the children audience while making it no more attractive to adults. I hope it is an old character, dont like it when major characters just appear to do there role and then disappear

How old are you? It might be too late by now. You have to be under the age of 13 to be turned into a human with magical powers.

That's a big suck Czardas... I'm 14.5... Hehe. I still want to be a witch, so employ those powers, damnit! I learn fast...

I doubt that, only because if it could be done, I'm pretty sure all the other headmasters/headmistresses would've "jumped out", too, along with every other dead person with a portrait. Even the Fat Lady and Sir... Whatshisface by the Room of Requirement. The crazy Knight. I wish he could too, but I don't see why he can't still guide Harry.
Well, I personally don't believe there's ever been a wizard more powerful than Dumbledore, and if anyone could do it, he could, but hey, that's just my very obvious affection towards the character.

Even if he can't, I doubt Dumbledore would have died without a few tricks up his sleeves. I think Harry, Ron, and Hermione might be finding an interesting item soon, something with powerful magical properties.

@Kalmykhia: *Ahem* Anyway, I suppose there is the possibility that he used that particular curse so as not to look suspicious to the Death Eaters, and in the end, he'll help the Order, but dammit, I still hate his guts.

Hm... A lot of people seem to believe that Snape will end up helping the Order of the Phoenix. I for one, do not. I think he really did betray Dumbledore... Maybe he wasn't pleading for his life, I don't know. I don't see how he can kill/try to kill off so many people and still help... Wait, no, he only killed Dumblydore huh? Yay for Madam Maxime! Why did she come again?

Well, I personally don't believe there's ever been a wizard more powerful than Dumbledore, and if anyone could do it, he could, but hey, that's just my very obvious affection towards the character.

Even if he can't, I doubt Dumbledore would have died without a few tricks up his sleeves. I think Harry, Ron, and Hermione might be finding an interesting item soon, something with powerful magical properties.

You're right. I think Dumbledore's the greatest wizard as well. Maybe he did have those tricks and maybe he didn't. I'm somewhat of a pessimist, lol, so I don't believe that Snape is actually good or that Dumbledore planned this all along. I do somewhat believe that Harry will definitely kill off Voldemort, his Death Eaters, and even Snape. But who knows. I want to be surprised.

You're right. I think Dumbledore's the greatest wizard as well. Maybe he did have those tricks and maybe he didn't. I'm somewhat of a pessimist, lol, so I don't believe that Snape is actually good or that Dumbledore planned this all along. I do somewhat believe that Harry will definitely kill off Voldemort, his Death Eaters, and even Snape. But who knows. I want to be surprised.
I don't think JK wants Harry to kill anyone. Authors have this common delusion that there is a line which divides good and evil, and often seem to think that murder is exactly where one would cross over into evil.

The people dressed as witches and wizards camping outside book shops for three days to get the book frighten me.

Yeah they are freaks...

I only read part of it. Who killed him? Last time I heard, Harry was whining, saying Snape did it.

Rawr. Watch carefully...

<--- Is Snape.

-Struts in like a prat, pushes past Malfoy and Death Eaters.. Alecto and someone else... Another A-...
"Please...", moans Dumbledore...
-Whips out wand and points it in Dumbledore's face-
"Severus, please..."
-Sneers slightly, but with no other expression, and such hard lines in face-...
"Avada Kedavra!"
*Flash of green light... Dumbledore rises into the air, then falls again, limp*
-Strodes away again without a second glance, with Malfoy on his arm and Alecto and A behind him-...

Voila.

I was once convinced to read the first Harry Potter book. I read a chapter of the second. Then I tossed that piece of shit out the window and bashed my head against the sidewalk curb.

I'm sorry, but I have to break it to adults who don't seem to understand: it is a children's book. It is not deep, it doesn't evoke emotion, unless you are an impressionable idiot. You want to read a good book? Read something by Victor Hugo or George Orwell. For fuck's sakes.
What you don't understand is that the first books are targeted to children. The later ones are not. Each subsequent book is targeted to an older audience. The first book is targeted towards 10 year olds or so, and the most recent one is targeted towards 15 or 16 year olds.

The point of the series was to grow as the reader grows, becoming more complex, longer, and darker.

@Kalmykhia: If Snape wanted to put Dumbledore "out of his misery", a lighter curse, hex, jinx, or potion, would have been perfectly suitable. He never gave a damn about the Headmaster. EVER! He just waited 'till Dumbledore was weakened severely, and he had an entire crew of Death Eaters to protect him from the big, bad, scawy Awbus Dumbwydore.


I feel the need to mock him. "Hi, I'm the Half-Blood Prince, fear me, but, I don't fear anyone... at all... Malfwoy, can you save me? I'M NOT A COWARD! HOW DARE YOU CALL ME THAT? Malfoooooooooy.... kill him! Okay, I guess I will..." *Timidly flicks wand and whispers Unforgivable Curse.*


*Ahem* Anyway, I suppose there is the possibility that he used that particular curse so as not to look suspicious to the Death Eaters, and in the end, he'll help the Order, but dammit, I still hate his guts.

No, he didn't want to put Dumblydore out of his misery - Dumbledore wanted him to kill him so he'd get more in with Voldemort. At least that's the theory anyways...
He could just be a bastard.

He really is just a bastard.

-Puts up shield of indifference-...

That's a big suck Czardas... I'm 14.5... Hehe. I still want to be a witch, so employ those powers, damnit! I learn fast...LMAO! Okay...I'm trying to arrange things...there's a huge turmoil in the magical world now, but what country do you live in? I'm trying to figure out which Ministry to contact.

Oh, and please note: your powers take effect immediately. However, unless you learn how to use them quickly, they will corrupt you and you will turn into a darkened being like Voldemort. Do you still want to go on?

How old are you? It might be too late by now. You have to be under the age of 13 to be turned into a human with magical powers.


I'm under 13.... change me, change me , change me....

I'm under 13.... change me, change me , change me....Please state your country in residence and the chief magical official in charge there, and I'll contact him/her right away.

Please state your country in residence and the chief magical official in charge there, and I'll contact him/her right away.

Scotland.... erm... eh... Harry... P-Potter?

Scotland.... erm... eh... Harry... P-Potter?
Harry Potter isn't Scottish, nor has he anything to do with the magical government. However, it is possible that you can find some Scottish wizards if you search the Harry Potter Lexicon (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/).

Harry Potter isn't Scottish, nor has he anything to do with the magical government. However, it is possible that you can find some Scottish wizards if you search the Harry Potter Lexicon (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/) .Zotona? You, here? And where have you been since May—trying to book a copy of HBP in advance? :p

But you're right here, the young Potter has nothing whatsoever to do with any government. However, he may in the future, according to the latest divinations from Poland's Official Divinator. :D

On the whole Snape not being evil thing...
In an interview on MuggleNet, JKR very strongly hinted that Snape was actually evil, and NOT killing Dumbledore as part of some sort of plan... So there goes that theory. Unless she's bluffing us...
Harry Potter isn't Scottish, nor has he anything to do with the magical government. However, it is possible that you can find some Scottish wizards if you search the [URL=http://www.hp-lexicon.org/]Harry Potter Lexicon[/URL .
Wouldn't Fudge be the magical official in charge? Wait, Scimgeour, even? Seeing as Hogwarts is in Scotland, and Hogwarts is under Ministry control... Possibly for Ireland too, seeing as Seamus Finnigan is Irish... Damnit! We don't get out own Ministry!

On the whole Snape not being evil thing...
In an interview on MuggleNet, JKR very strongly hinted that Snape was actually evil, and NOT killing Dumbledore as part of some sort of plan... So there goes that theory. Unless she's bluffing us...

Wouldn't Fudge be the magical official in charge? Wait, Scimgeour, even? Seeing as Hogwarts is in Scotland, and Hogwarts is under Ministry control... Possibly for Ireland too, seeing as Seamus Finnigan is Irish... Damnit! We don't get out own Ministry!Let's just say for now that Scotland = part of the UK and all of Great Britain's "runoff school" is Hogwarts. In that case, the British Ministry of Magic would have jurisdiction over Anarchy 2005. So I'll try to contact the Ministry ASAP, just the recent death of an important and influential wizard has led to turmoil and chaos, so we might not get back to you for up to 36 years. :p

Just kidding. :D

Now that I am reminded, what about teh US? In the first chapter the Ministry of Magic contacts teh Prime minister, they apparently have some sort of relationship, do other important nations have their own heads of magic that confer with he heads of state?

Ihatevacations']Now that I am reminded, what about teh US? In the first chapter the Ministry of Magic contacts teh Prime minister, they apparently have some sort of relationship, do other important nations have their own heads of magic that confer with he heads of state?
I havbe always wondered about the magical community outside of England in the Harry Potter world. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them has satisfied my curiousity a minor amount, but I would still love to see a story written that takes place somewhere else on the globe.

Zotona? You, here? And where have you been since May—trying to book a copy of HBP in advance? :p

But you're right here, the young Potter has nothing whatsoever to do with any government. However, he may in the future, according to the latest divinations from Poland's Official Divinator. :D
No, I got pissed off, left for months, and then came back and started posting as -Everyknowledge-. Well, screw it, I'm sick of my own arrogant psuedonym. :p

On the whole Snape not being evil thing...
In an interview on MuggleNet, JKR very strongly hinted that Snape was actually evil, and NOT killing Dumbledore as part of some sort of plan... So there goes that theory. Unless she's bluffing us...

Wouldn't Fudge be the magical official in charge? Wait, Scimgeour, even? Seeing as Hogwarts is in Scotland, and Hogwarts is under Ministry control... Possibly for Ireland too, seeing as Seamus Finnigan is Irish... Damnit! We don't get out own Ministry!
It's possible that the Ministry of Magic is a universal magical government.


Does anyone else wish they could tap J.K.'s brain?

I just finished it half an hour ago...

Pedestrian for most of it (I think I'm becoming disillusioned with it, it is after all a children's story) but the ending is good-ish... definitely not worth all the hype though...

It's possible that the Ministry of Magic is a universal magical government.

Does anyone else wish they could tap J.K.'s brain?

I'm a great Leglimens myself....

I just finished it half an hour ago...

Pedestrian for most of it (I think I'm becoming disillusioned with it, it is after all a children's story) but the ending is good-ish... definitely not worth all the hype though...

I would poke out my tongue at you but there's not a little smiley to do it properly so this one has to do: :p

I liked it anyway

I've just re-read it - and I stick by my earlier comments - it was purely rubbish...

No, I got pissed off, left for months, and then came back and started posting as -Everyknowledge-. Well, screw it, I'm sick of my own arrogant psuedonym. :pOh, you were -Everyknowledge-. I was starting to wonder if anyone could stay away voluntarily from NS that long.... :p

Oh, you were -Everyknowledge-. I was starting to wonder if anyone could stay away voluntarily from NS that long.... :p
They all come back, ALL come back!

They all come back, ALL come back!

Except those that don't....

Did anyone else think that the whole horcrux thing had a rather videogame/RPG-ish feel? I mean it's like: "To defeat the final bos- I mean Voldemort, you must first find and destroy these four magical objects!" It seems a bit... silly.

Also, I wouldn't say Severus is evil. Certainly not good, but not evil. And whether or not killing Dumbledore was something he (or the late Headmaster) wanted to do or not really doesn't matter, as Snape made the Unbreakable Vow it was either finish Draco's job or die. And as Snape is through-and-through a Slytherin, I would certainly not expect him to die for anyone.

They all come back, ALL come back!You mean, even those that aren't allowed to, like Commando? ;)

my oppinion is that snape is still a good guy. I also think that Dumbledore knew that Snap would kill him.

No, I am. I read about 120 pages an hour. The book is 600 pages, which means I can finish it in 5 hours (reading everything). Just skimming the book might take 3 hours, but it's no fun that way. :p


Pfft. I finished, reading all the way through, in 3. So I win.

I could have read it faster than I did (10 hours), but as my mother said "I was savoring every word". Which is kinda true. I don't think that there is a word in the whole book that I missed.

Pfft. I finished, reading all the way through, in 3. So I win.

I did it in 3 and 1/2, not skimming actually readin but yes, for 3hrs you do win... :rolleyes:

We shall see, we shall see.

The last book will show...mu ha ha ha ha!

I did it in 3 and 1/2, not skimming actually readin but yes, for 3hrs you do win... :rolleyes:
I didn't time myself... But I've read the first two hundred pages in about an hour, so three seems about right... SPOILERS:
Neville isn't the Chosen One. The whole thing of the series is choices - from when Dumbledore talks to Harry about his sorting in CoS. And Voldemort chose Harry. Therefore he is the Chosen One.
As for Snape being evil, well, the Mugglenet interview hints that he is, but the argument with Dumbledore Hagrid overhears - saying he'd promised to do something and he had to go through with it - make it seem that Dumbledore knew about it or planned it.

Canterbury's a posh place, the exact type of place they DO speak like that.

I moved to Canterbury from Liverpool 7 years ago. I can categorically tell you that it is not at all posh although it might seem so to the casual visitor. Deal is not posh either. Just because southerners say parst instead of past doesn't make them posh. Most of the people in this town and indeed in most of east kent are rough as badgers arses

Weathers much better than liverpool though

Well I definitely think some folks were a little simplistic with what occured in the book. There was a reason Snape had to kill DD. Dumbledore was suffering badly from drinking the potion? (this was in a pensieve like basin) it actually sounds like he was recalling the memories of someone being tortured (Cruciatus) when he was drinking it. Snape did make an unbreakable vow with Narcissa but did anyone notice while the bonding occured his hand twitched. Breakable? maybe. DD would never beg to save his own life, he was asking to be saved from the misery. I still think Snape is acting with the Order. The killing allows him to continue to be seen as a Death Eater and also remember that Harry was immobilized because DD had to know what was coming and He actually wanted Snape there...knowing his past. Whose memory is in that cave? How did Regulus Black ( if he is the one) get ahold of that horcrux especially when Voldy trusts noone? Oh the title was a big trick being that it only alludes to Snapes maternal surname of Prince. I did like the background info on Voldemort esp. the genetic info on incest in his family and what it did to them.This is very definitely a dark book and more mature than the others. I noticed this book had more to due with allegiances, VOWS, and potions. Now there is speculation that Harry is the chosen one due to leakage of the prophecy and the ministry trying to suck up to Harry. Harry has had to mature and deal with a lot more in this book obviously because the big showdown is coming up. Noone has mentioned yet the changing of Tonks patronus to a wolf? that was a big clue to who she was in love with.

People, Dumbledore is dead. face it:

1. He got a killing curse straight in his chest.
2. He also fell off the highest tower of Hogwarts


Snape was teacing them wordless magic. An expert wouldn't slack like that. He was saying false words when he hit Dumbledore.
We don't know what spell he really used, but I guess it doesn't matter since he is buried.

[Extreme spoilerage!!!!]


Harry falls in love with Ginny, and then pulls a Spiderman (see end of first Spidey movie for reference.)


Haha, I like the Spiderman reference.

I've never been more offended in my life! :p Nope, I'm Irish. I just hate the word 'snog'. Also the word 'minging'. And I've tried to cut out 'chift' and 'meet', which are words we use over here for kiss...
Heron-Marked Warriors (a Jordan fan, I'm guessing?), I know, and I was up til two talking about this to a friend, but she just strikes me as too smart for all that... Then again, I know plenty of smart people who aren't all that good at listening to their own relationship advice...

Hey, what's wrong with being American? :) We like Harry Potter too! Although I wish we got the same copies you do. I cant believe they changed the title on one of the books (dumbing it down for us) (Philosphers stone) because...duh! we too stupid! Also the Irish helped build our country as well as the British :D

my oppinion is that snape is still a good guy. I also think that Dumbledore knew that Snap would kill him.
Dumbledore was probably asking Snape to kill him because he had to for some reason. Possibly for the Order, or the unbreakable vow.

I believe Dumbledore wasn't pleading for Snape to kill him.

He was pleading for him to spare Harry. Snape probably knew that Harry was there. Snape is not an idiot. Logically:
1. Potter has been having private lessons with the Headmaster.
2. There are 2 brooms on this roof, and only 1 dude.
3. There have been several instances where I believe Potter was somehow invisible.

Therefore.
Potter is on this roof.

Snape is bright enough to put that together. Dumbledore, knowing there was no way to prevent his death, was asking Snape to get the Death Eaters off the roof before they also put 2 and 2 together and began trying to kill Harry. If the Ministry of Idiots could figure it out, so could Snape. So Snape obeyed orders and dragged the Eaters away.

Snape was teacing them wordless magic. An expert wouldn't slack like that. He was saying false words when he hit Dumbledore.
We don't know what spell he really used, but I guess it doesn't matter since he is buried.
flash of green light? thats the avada kedavra spell

Dumbeldore comes back as Gandalf the White and kills everyone.

Ihatevacations']flash of green light? thats the avada kedavra spell

And he yelled it. No matter what, if he said it, it's going to come out of his wand.

You know. Voldemort could have saved all this trouble if only he had a gun in the first book.

You know. Voldemort could have saved all this trouble if only he had a gun in the first book.

It would be useless against the kevlarus counterspell.

I've figured it out. The last book ends like this:

(HP and Voldude dule on top of Hogwarts)
Voldude: Join me and live forever!
HP: I'll never join you! You killed my mother and my father!
Voldude: No, Harry, I am your mother and your father.
HP: NOOOOOOOOOOO- Wait, what?
Geoge Bush: (having just found out about Hogwarts) Terrorist training camp! Nuke it!
(green flash that has nothing to do with magic)

It would be useless against the kevlarus counterspell.

What? Wispy magic deflects bullets better than kevlar?

I havbe always wondered about the magical community outside of England in the Harry Potter world. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them has satisfied my curiousity a minor amount, but I would still love to see a story written that takes place somewhere else on the globe.

They do have references to them in book four, especially at the start during the Quidditch World Cup.

Ihatevacations']flash of green light? thats the avada kedavra spell

Or the spell that flashes green light - there is one presumably (see harry potter GoF, when he's in the maze....he flashes light to say someone's been hurt - if theres one for red sparks, theres one for green sparks - logically).....However - I do agree he probably IS dead...

What? Wispy magic deflects bullets better than kevlar?
Dude, I am seriously calling god-mode...

You know. Voldemort could have saved all this trouble if only he had a gun in the first book.

Hah, that'd be an interesting ending, too. Harry and Voldemort face of for the epic Final Battle. Voldemort raises his wand and starts "Avada k-" and BLAM! Harry whips out a gun and shoots him in the face. It's the last thing he'd ever suspect!

...actually, guns would probably work pretty well against wizards (especially the arrogant pure-blooded ones) at least as a surprise attack. If any of them actually know what a gun is, they probably wouldn't expect that some crazy muggle invention could be a threat.

Hah, that'd be an interesting ending, too. Harry and Voldemort face of for the epic Final Battle. Voldemort raises his wand and starts "Avada k-" and BLAM! Harry whips out a gun and shoots him in the face. It's the last thing he'd ever suspect!

...actually, guns would probably work pretty well against wizards (especially the arrogant pure-blooded ones) at least as a surprise attack. If any of them actually know what a gun is, they probably wouldn't expect that some crazy muggle invention could be a threat.

Remember what happened to the knife when Ron threw it at Fred and George? Seem thing could happen to bullets, you know. ;)

Remember what happened to the knife when Ron threw it at Fred and George? Seem thing could happen to bullets, you know. ;)

Not if you aren't expecting it! Especially since a bullet can probably move faster than a person can cast a spell. I don't assume it would be a tactic one could use over and over again, because then it would cease to be a surprise and they would adapt to defend against it. Kind of like the Borg.

Well that might help for awhile, remember there are several more horcruxes out there and the protego shield.Voldemort is very intelligent,I doubt he could be killed that easily. It will have to be some showdown and I suspect it will be Harry and his friends. i want to see Lupin and Tonks get together. What was her original patronus anyway?

Here is the BIGGEST PROVE that Dumbledore is dead. If you read carefully, it says that upon entry of Dumbledores office with Prof. Mcgonagle (or however u spell it), it says that Harry Looked up, and Dumbledores portrait had joined the rest of the dead headmasters.
beat that one bitches.

Here is the BIGGEST PROVE that Dumbledore is dead. If you read carefully, it says that upon entry of Dumbledores office with Prof. Mcgonagle (or however u spell it), it says that Harry Looked up, and Dumbledores portrait had joined the rest of the dead headmasters.
beat that one bitches.
man your killing the faeries, clap if you, children, clap if you believe!

Woah woah woah woah woah WOAH!

Hang on a SECOND!


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Ron and Hermione got together?

Hah, that'd be an interesting ending, too. Harry and Voldemort face of for the epic Final Battle. Voldemort raises his wand and starts "Avada k-" and BLAM! Harry whips out a gun and shoots him in the face. It's the last thing he'd ever suspect!

...actually, guns would probably work pretty well against wizards (especially the arrogant pure-blooded ones) at least as a surprise attack. If any of them actually know what a gun is, they probably wouldn't expect that some crazy muggle invention could be a threat.With Mr. Olivander gone, Harry gets his new wand made by a company called Smith and Wesson.

i think it was better than book 5. i hated book 5. at least he knows how to kill voldemort now. but im wondering, is he really not going back to school???

Hah, that'd be an interesting ending, too. Harry and Voldemort face of for the epic Final Battle. Voldemort raises his wand and starts "Avada k-" and BLAM! Harry whips out a gun and shoots him in the face. It's the last thing he'd ever suspect!

...actually, guns would probably work pretty well against wizards (especially the arrogant pure-blooded ones) at least as a surprise attack. If any of them actually know what a gun is, they probably wouldn't expect that some crazy muggle invention could be a threat.

Reminds me of the game Arcanum.

Ron and Hermione got together?

Nope. Almost did, but then Ron started making out (or "snogging", as the Brits call it) with Lavender Brown every second of the day and night...

Nope. Almost did, but then Ron started making out (or "snogging", as the Brits call it) with Lavender Brown every second of the day and night...
Yeah....

...Argh, if that random Brit didn't try to cyber-snog me virtually over MSN that one time, I would've been lost for days. Well, that's ONE pro to that conversation...

Hey, what's wrong with being American? :) We like Harry Potter too! Although I wish we got the same copies you do. I cant believe they changed the title on one of the books (dumbing it down for us) (Philosphers stone) because...duh! we too stupid! Also the Irish helped build our country as well as the British :D
Only joking... And it should have been shift, not chift...

Koroser that is a brilliant idea - Dumblydore pleading to save Harry. First time I've heard it. But it only works if Snape is still good...

Sorry to be touchy. Well I was thinking about the sorting hat's songs constant theme of the four houses uniting and Voldemort needing 4 items from the houses-some sort of connection. Im feeling that it will take all four of the houses to bring down Voldemort. On the potion's book am I correct in thinking that it was Snape's mom's book and he added the half blood in front of it. That was the impression I got while reading. It was rather odd as well that Snape being a half blood got into Slytherin, I know Voldy is as well but he is the heir to SLytherin.

dunno if somebody mentioned this already, but when I read it, it was one of the funniest thing... credit goes to a goon: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1614807&perpage=40&pagenumber=49

how HP will end (Rowling said the series will end w/ the word "scar")


"Well, we finally did it," said Snape. "It's finally over. He's gone for good."

"Yes," said Dumbledore. "I didn't think we could ever get rid of him, not all the way. At the end there, when he kept getting up, I feared he really was invincible. But our boy here never doubted. I'm proud of you."

"Thank you, Lord Dumbledore," said Voldemort. "It's still hard to believe we're rid of that Potter brat, once and for all." Voldemort still stood over Harry's crumpled body, watching for any signs of returning life.

Dumbledore sighed tiredly and nodded. "All the traps I sent him into, all the battles with you, it was as if he had drank the Felix potion all of the time. How many times did I sent him off into some forsaken Cavern of Evil, only to have him emerge alive with whatever worthless trinket I asked him to get? How many times did you try to poison him, Snape?"

"73," Snape replied, shaking his head.

"It got so bad in the end that we had to fake my death, just to get the nosey brat away from me," Dumbledore nodded. "I remember pleading with you to do it in that tower, Snape, I just couldn't take having him in my face all the time anymore. And if not him, that annoying Hermoine! I tell you, no matter what, we're not taking any more mudbloods here at Hogwarts."

"Lord Dumbledore, may I ask a question?" asked Voldemort meekly.

"Of course, Tom," Dumbledore smiled. "As long as you continue to worship me as your dark lord of lies, your education will continue."

Tom Riddle smiled nervously. "Well, at the end there, when I was fighting him, he just stopped fighting. As if he expected something to happen, something to stop me. It provided me the opening to finish him. Why did he do that?"

Dumbledore laughed, long and hard. "Of course, you hadn't heard, Tom, being in hiding or dead most of these years. You know that thing on his forehead, the mark he got when Lily threw him down the stairs as a baby? I made up some cock and bull story about it being some sort of protection issued by you! I never even fully understood what I was talking about myself, but Harry bought the whole cliched mess, hook line and sinker!"

The three friends shared a long laugh over it all, Snape giving Harry's corpse one last wistful kick in the head. "Come on," said Dumbledore. "Let's go finish off that know-it-all mudblood Granger, and the Weasley scum, and then we can have some lunch!"

Snape and Dumbledore left the cave, arms around each other, singing an old Slitherin victory song. Voldemort stayed behind a moment, staring down at Harry's beaten and bruised body. "Who would have thought," Tom smiled at last. "He was finally done in by some nonsense about a scar."


also, a few good theories I found on the 6th book:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/denorios/15782.html#cutid1
http://www.livejournal.com/users/garlandgraves/3409.html#cutid1

There's a NS Harry Potter RP is anyone's interested here (Belarus ).

It rather amsues me that 27 pages have been spent discussing a series which has a plot so paper thin that Thomas the Tank Engine would be ashamed of it. While an amusing and fairly entertaining yarn, Harry Potter is designed to be read by twelve year olds and as such its narrative should not challenge the mental facilities of anyone older than sixteen.

However the series ends, rest assured it will be a horrific cliche involving lots of "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" and crying and will probably end with Harry walking off into a sun set.

Oh my God.

I've just finished it, just now, about five minutes ago.

Oh my fucking God.

I'm with you, about an hour ago for me! Gah! It's so disorienting. Number one the whole Horcrux thing is a very confusing and scary concept. Number two, Dumbledore's dead! That wasn't as much of a shock as it might have been, though, because people have been theorizing it since at least before book four. But Snape! Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker with shit! What. The. Fuck. Ever since the point when he was countering Quirrell's curse in the first book, up until the moment he pointed his wand at Dumbledore, I totally believed he was reformed. Also how in the fuck is the seventh book going to seem right if Harry's not going back to Hogwarts?

My only bone to pick is on the relationships. In the first thru third books they weren't dealt with except for Percy's having a girlfriend, and I wondered by book three why it hadn't come up yet. Book four seemed fairly realistic for 14-year-olds, and book five was kind of stretching how little people seemed to be dating but Harry's thing with Cho did seem okay. But seriously... this shit she pulls out now is like they're 12 again. Even a very immature 16-year-old doesn't act like that.

It rather amsues me that 27 pages have been spent discussing a series which has a plot so paper thin that Thomas the Tank Engine would be ashamed of it. While an amusing and fairly entertaining yarn, Harry Potter is designed to be read by twelve year olds and as such its narrative should not challenge the mental facilities of anyone older than sixteen.

However the series ends, rest assured it will be a horrific cliche involving lots of "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" and crying and will probably end with Harry walking off into a sun set.

You obviously did not read the book in question, otherwise you would not make such a factualy ignorant statement.

Perhaps SparkNotes may enlighten you on the last book's deep themes, motifs, symbols, and plot: http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/harrypotter5/themes.html

You obviously did not read the book in question, otherwise you would not make such a factualy ignorant statement.

Perhaps SparkNotes may enlighten you on the last book's deep themes, motifs, symbols, and plot: http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/harrypotter5/themes.html

Actually, I have read the book in question. As stated, it was mildly entertaining yarn which whiled away a few hours while not having to worry about themes or deep meaning.

Unfortunately I happen to disagree with Sparknote.com (that learned and world renowned literature critic). Quite simply, adults who read the book feel they have to justify their reading it, hence this sort of meaningless indepth analysis. It is rather like the sort of people who go and watch a mindless action thriller at the cinema and then feel so ashamed that they to guff about "deep themes, motifs, symbols and plot" to justify the fact that they enjoyed the mindless trash. The same applies for the people who say that Big Brother is an interesting psychological experiment.

Harry Potter is diet Lord of the Rings. It isn't written for adults and it probably would not present a challenging read for a 16 year old. I dumped taking Potter books seriously at 16, when I learned there were better and far more entertaining things to read. J.K. Rowling isn't a goddess, she isn't even that good a writer. Her characters are little more than two dimensional cardboard cut outs and the relationships between these cut outs are drab. The diction used is quite old-fashioned and indeed reminds me of how my father speaks when he attempts to be "trendy".

So in summary of Harry Potter in general: when you are tired of reading proper books, pick up Harry Potter for a few hours to relax. Then go back to proper books and learn something about literature.

It rather amsues me that 27 pages have been spent discussing a series which has a plot so paper thin that Thomas the Tank Engine would be ashamed of it. While an amusing and fairly entertaining yarn, Harry Potter is designed to be read by twelve year olds and as such its narrative should not challenge the mental facilities of anyone older than sixteen.

However the series ends, rest assured it will be a horrific cliche involving lots of "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" and crying and will probably end with Harry walking off into a sun set.
You know what? Being a children's book doesn't make a book bad. I'd rather read Harry Potter than Ulysses - for one, I don't need to decipher it. And the "His Dark Materials" trilogy by Philip Pullman are probably the best fantasy novels I've ever read.

Actually, I have read the book in question. As stated, it was mildly entertaining yarn which whiled away a few hours while not having to worry about themes or deep meaning.

Unfortunately I happen to disagree with Sparknote.com (that learned and world renowned literature critic). Quite simply, adults who read the book feel they have to justify their reading it, hence this sort of meaningless indepth analysis. It is rather like the sort of people who go and watch a mindless action thriller at the cinema and then feel so ashamed that they to guff about "deep themes, motifs, symbols and plot" to justify the fact that they enjoyed the mindless trash. The same applies for the people who say that Big Brother is an interesting psychological experiment.

Harry Potter is diet Lord of the Rings. It isn't written for adults and it probably would not present a challenging read for a 16 year old. I dumped taking Potter books seriously at 16, when I learned there were better and far more entertaining things to read. J.K. Rowling isn't a goddess, she isn't even that good a writer. Her characters are little more than two dimensional cardboard cut outs and the relationships between these cut outs is drab. The diction used is quite old-fashioned and indeed reminds me of how my father speaks when he attempts to be "trendy".

So in summary of Harry Potter in generaL: when you are tired of reading proper books, pick up Harry Potter for a few hours to relax. Then go back to proper books and learn something about literature.
Ah, so the harder a book is to read, the better? The 'Ulysses' school of writing for you then. The thing is, be as deep and the like as you ant, a book isn't worth anything unless it's a good story. Harry Potter is well told, and while I'm certainly not saying it's the best book ever, it certainly is better than a lot of books I've read, including so-called literature.
Please note, also, that you can draw symbols from anything. If I wanted, I could write about the religious significance of the Powepuff Girls. (I must do that sometime, I've been talking about it for ages...)

Please note, also, that you can draw symbols from anything. If I wanted, I could write about the religious significance of the Powepuff Girls. (I must do that sometime, I've been talking about it for ages...)
That will be one of the most meaningful things General has seen in a long time!

You know what? Being a children's book doesn't make a book bad. I'd rather read Harry Potter than Ulysses - for one, I don't need to decipher it. And the "His Dark Materials" trilogy by Philip Pullman are probably the best fantasy novels I've ever read.


Ah, so the harder a book is to read, the better? The 'Ulysses' school of writing for you then. The thing is, be as deep and the like as you ant, a book isn't worth anything unless it's a good story. Harry Potter is well told, and while I'm certainly not saying it's the best book ever, it certainly is better than a lot of books I've read, including so-called literature.


"Obscurity is the hallmark of the sublime" Disraeli

ok so snape killed dunbledore, how could that little weasel snape kill like the ultimate magic guy ever??? how cud harry fall in love with ginny??? what is voldemorts weakness???

1. Malfoy disarmed dumbledore, then snape finished him off.
2. They aren't in love, Ginny's just a slut.
3. His seven souls.

[Extreme spoilerage!!!!]
I got the book, finished it in 3 1/2 hours.

Dumbledore is dead, but now Harry knows Voldemort's weakness. Snape is the Half-Blood Prince. He killed Dumbledore. Harry falls in love with Ginny, and then pulls a Spiderman (see end of first Spidey movie for reference.) Ron and Hermoine finally get together, making me pretty damn sure one of them is SO going to die.

Any questions?

...*obsessivecoughsneeze*

What are you on? Its way more mature than OotP! And I think its the most 'mature' book yet... meaning that the target audience is a bit older. And I think she captured the relationships well. Dunno what sort of relationships YOU have had. I'm sorry, but I think you need to re-read it.

Well, maybe underpant's relationships involved sex at 16, but i think harry ginny, lavender, and Won-Won were getting close to that. Ginny and lavender are both sluts.

You don't escape that easily! After the series wraps up, assuming Harry is still alive, the film company will be putting immense pressure on Rowling to write a series about Harry becoming an Auror and fighting remnant Death Eaters etc.


and having sex with ginny.

ARGH! You know I just finished so I have to let this out. I really feel bad for this poor boy, his parents, Sirius, Dumbledore! You know what, I hope not only that he finds Snape and tears him from limb to limb, beats Malfoy so badly he has to eat through a straw, and turns Voldemort into a puddle of mucus but also that he becomes headmaster one day. You can so tell where she's going. Harry, who has so many similarities to Voldemort, I mean just draw the lines and they exist, is going to become ruled by his hatred and his unyearning desire to destroy Voldemort, Snape, and all the DEs that I think he'll become evil himself or something of the like. There's a serious twist in the making and I hope this book (7) gets released, you know, like tomorrow!

I knew from the start Snape was a piece of shit but man did I never expect that one. I figured they were out to kill Dumbledore with the poision, Slug saying he meant to give the bottle to him for Christmas, but I didn't think Snape would come up and do it, but then again, there was the vow. God I hate that little sniveling twit. Man I hope he suffers worse than Voldemort. I mean, if it wasn't for Snape, Voldemort would have never heard the prophecy, Dumbledore would be alive, and so would Harry's parents. HE MUST SUFFER!

and having sex with ginny.

Wow, you've only been here for 4 posts!! and already calling people sluts, calm down... Ginny's cool, just cause she was kissing someone at the age of 15, and has had 3 boyfriends doesn't make her a slut

Welcome to NS anyway :fluffle:

That will be one of the most meaningful things General has seen in a long time!
You mean someone posted meaningful stuff on General? Who? Why?
OOH, Lashie, ypu have 666 posts! Are you the Devil? :p

I luffed Book Six. It was definitely better than the 5th, with some stuff in there that I would never have guessed. Some people obviously think it sucks donkey cock, but I consider it well worth my $30.

Here's to waiting for Book Seven!

-Asylum Nova

What? Did you expect some big in-detail reason why I like it? Tough. I just do. Something about Book Six really drew me in.

I luffed Book Six. It was definitely better than the 5th, with some stuff in there that I would never have guessed. Some people obviously think it sucks donkey cock, but I consider it well worth my $30.

Here's to waiting for Book Seven!

-Asylum Nova

What? Did you expect some big in-detail reason why I like it? Tough. I just do. Something about Book Six really drew me in.

Wow you overpaid!

$17.99 on Amazon and they gave out $1.00 refunds so it was $16.99. Anyhow yeah I loved it too. 4 is still my favorite, in a way, but 6 is like WOW!

Wal-Mart, $15.99...

16.17 at books a million. took a dollar and a half off

Wal-Mart, $15.99...

Target, $15.97.

(I got mine at Barnes & Noble, though. I actually only "paid" $.62 because I had the balance of a gift card and a store credit, bringing it from $18.99 to $.62.)

LOL nice Col but I don't mind paying the extra buck to not have to sit in line. Anyhow, was it me or does Snape need to suffer fates worse than anyone else?

1. Malfoy disarmed dumbledore, then snape finished him off.
2. They aren't in love, Ginny's just a slut.
3. His seven souls.
Ginny's not a slut, she's only kissed boys and that's it, and she is not having sex with Harry in the next book, you little sicko! You know JK's gonna keep it PG. You want Harry/Ginny shippers, there's HP fanfic all over the web.

Ginny's not a slut, she's only kissed boys and that's it, and she is not having sex with Harry in the next book, you little sicko! You know JK's gonna keep it PG. You want Harry/Ginny shippers, there's HP fanfic all over the web.

It's a children's book, more or less, I don't know why people want to see them having sex. I mean just let it be people and use your imagination. Well put Zotona.

ARGH! You know I just finished so I have to let this out. I really feel bad for this poor boy, his parents, Sirius, Dumbledore! You know what, I hope not only that he finds Snape and tears him from limb to limb, beats Malfoy so badly he has to eat through a straw, and turns Voldemort into a puddle of mucus but also that he becomes headmaster one day. You can so tell where she's going. Harry, who has so many similarities to Voldemort, I mean just draw the lines and they exist, is going to become ruled by his hatred and his unyearning desire to destroy Voldemort, Snape, and all the DEs that I think he'll become evil himself or something of the like. There's a serious twist in the making and I hope this book (7) gets released, you know, like tomorrow!

I knew from the start Snape was a piece of shit but man did I never expect that one. I figured they were out to kill Dumbledore with the poision, Slug saying he meant to give the bottle to him for Christmas, but I didn't think Snape would come up and do it, but then again, there was the vow. God I hate that little sniveling twit. Man I hope he suffers worse than Voldemort. I mean, if it wasn't for Snape, Voldemort would have never heard the prophecy, Dumbledore would be alive, and so would Harry's parents. HE MUST SUFFER!


I dont think Snape is on Voldemort's side. There are some clues given to indicate he is against the death eaters. During the unbreakable vow while holding hands his hand twitched. (indicates it may be breakable) I think he only killed DD because that is what he was asking him to do. DD was already suffering more than likely a long horrible death and another theory is he was asking him to not reveal Harry's location. Im thinking when he revealed the prophecy to voldemort was about the time he went back to DD and repented for what he had done. Now Snape isnt a real goody goody but I dont think he is with the DE, as much as it would appear. Everything he did ,protected Draco which I think DD also wanted as well as Narcissa. Draco did some nasty garbage and yet when the time came to it he couldnt kill DD. Killing destroys one's soul ( least from JK 's point of view anyway) and this is going to come into play with Harry. When Voldemort killed it ripped his soul (at least on 7 occassions). I think when it boils down to it , it may take all four houses uniting to keep Voldemort from winning and the school from closing.

It's a children's book, more or less, I don't know why people want to see them having sex. I mean just let it be people and use your imagination. Well put Zotona.
Thank you, but actually, it wasn't very well put! I used acronyms and American/internet slang to get my point across! Luckily most of the people in this thread will probably understand what I'm saying.

...So I was the only one who still thought of Ginny as an 11 year old and saw Harry as a pedophile when he started getting attracted to her? Go figure.

...So I was the only one who still thought of Ginny as an 11 year old and saw Harry as a pedophile when he started getting attracted to her? Go figure.
Nah, nah, nah... I'm with you there! HARRY POTTER IS A CRADLE ROBBER!

It really is on the kinda sickish side, the whole thing...

It really is on the kinda sickish side, the whole thing...

Especially when you've seen Ginny in the movie of CoS. Yeuch... :eek:

Nah, nah, nah... I'm with you there! HARRY POTTER IS A CRADLE ROBBER!

It really is on the kinda sickish side, the whole thing...

They're 1 year apart, that's not really a cradle robber. Ron, Hermoine, and Harry are all 1 year older than Ginny. It's not craddle robber at all. It'd be like them as 7th years going after 1st years, that's sick. Either way nah, Harry ain't a craddle robber.

What I thought significant was that he dumped her in the end. His entire life in the 7th book is going to be centered around his hatred and his desire, unyearning, to kill Snape and Voldemort. He will become what he hates. Just as Voldemort's soul split into 7 pieces so too will his, though maybe not as many, and you can tell something is up. I mean to be honest, I think he's going to become a dark lord or something as well because he will give in to his emotion and hatred, not unlike a sith/jedi thing (no I am NOT a Star Wars geek but I find the connection here).

They're 1 year apart, that's not really a cradle robber. Ron, Hermoine, and Harry are all 1 year older than Ginny. It's not craddle robber at all. It'd be like them as 7th years going after 1st years, that's sick. Either way nah, Harry ain't a craddle robber.
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Are they? Really? Still, best friend's sister... it sounds questionable to me. Harry was pratically one of the family already... it's almost incestuous.

Oh, yes, there are many kinds of wrong in that Harry/Ginny relationship. *Shivers violently*

Is it just me, or was this book so much worse than the first 5?

I mean, seriously, you just summed up the entire book with that sentence.. "Dumbledore is dead"..

I didn't like it...there were some good points, but I thought it was a pretty mediocre book overall.

Of course, there are a number of other possible explanations for this: I just got back from a week of band camp (exciting) and was awful tired, for one; also, I knew before hand that Dumbledore dies, is killed by Snape, who happens to be the Half-Blood Prince. Stupid accidental Technorati search...what kind of person puts all that information in a blog post title, anyway?

And since when has "snogging" been the main focus of the book? Here I was expecting the series to go progressively darker, and then I read "snog, snog, snog, snog, snog. SNOG!"

Are they? Really? Still, best friend's sister... it sounds questionable to me. Harry was pratically one of the family already... it's almost incestuous.

Oh, yes, there are many kinds of wrong in that Harry/Ginny relationship. *Shivers violently*

I really have to disagree. The only thing wrong is it is his best friends' sister. They aren't related at all. Hell that relationship has been brewing since Book 2 and Ron & Hermonie since like Book 1. Hell Harry saved how many members of the Weasely family already, gave the twins their startup for the store, and is definitely a member of the family but no more than he would be if he were married to Ginny so, in one way or another, he's like their son-in-law already.

And since when has "snogging" been the main focus of the book? Here I was expecting the series to go progressively darker, and then I read "snog, snog, snog, snog, snog. SNOG!"

They're 16 now. It happens. It's cute. Leave em alone.

Heh, and why not. I hope JKR doesnt take here time with the next one, so i can have a harry potter marathon and read em one after the other. See how long it takes. A pretty sad goal sure, but itll be interesting.

Heh, and why not. I hope JKR doesnt take here time with the next one, so i can have a harry potter marathon and read em one after the other. See how long it takes. A pretty sad goal sure, but itll be interesting.

I wish it would come out like tomorrow. I can't wait. But the 4th movie in November will have to hold me over until the 7th book. 5th movie in 2007 :(.

Especially when you've seen Ginny in the movie of CoS. Yeuch... :eek:
I've not seen that. Enlighten me.

I've not seen that. Enlighten me.

Click here for enlightenment! (http://as-always.org/bonnie/gallery/poa/nyprem4.jpg)
Now see what I mean? The Dark Lord has nothing on that one.

In real life, Bonnie Wright, who plays Ginny, was born on February 17, 1991. Daniel Radcliffe, who plays Harry, was born on July 23, 1989.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0942247/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0705356/

I still don't understand the cradle robbing. Half of your parents are probably 4 - 6 years apart in age.

http://as-always.org/bonnie/gallery/poa/nyprem4.jpg (Click here for enlightenment!)

Now see what I mean? The Dark Lord has nothing on that one.
We need a whole new thread to discuss the myriad amount of things wrong with that picture.

We need a whole new thread to discuss the myriad amount of things wrong with that picture.

OK, so I screwed up the tags. Its fixed now.

In real life, Bonnie Wright, who plays Ginny, was born on February 17, 1991. Daniel Radcliffe, who plays Harry, was born on July 23, 1989.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0942247/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0705356/

I still don't understand the cradle robbing. Half of your parents are probably 4 - 6 years apart in age.
Mine are the exact same age, with just a few months' difference.

OK, so I screwed up the tags. Its fixed now.
I meant the picture itself, not the link.

*shudders*

Mine are the exact same age, with just a few months' difference.

6 years for me. Hell I've seen differences of 10 years. I'll admit that is a lot but it happens. 2 years is absolutely nothing out of normal, hell it's probably not the norm because it is so close.

6 years for me. Hell I've seen differences of 10 years. I'll admit that is a lot but it happens. 2 years is absolutely nothing out of normal, hell it's probably not the norm because it is so close.
I have, too, but none of them were healthy relationships and one has already resulted in a divorce.

I have, too, but none of them were healthy relationships and one has already resulted in a divorce.

1 out of 2 is the US divorce rate. Its gross.

how did he die?
READ THE BOOK YOU F$&*'N RETARD!!!! :mp5:

READ THE BOOK YOU F$&*'N RETARD!!!! :mp5:
That'll do.

I have, too, but none of them were healthy relationships and one has already resulted in a divorce.

I'm four years older than my husband. Yes, I, the wife is four years older than he, the husband. My father was six years older than my mother.

I know very few couples who are the exact same age.

There's nothing wrong with dating someone a year younger, and I've known more than a few people who have successfully dated and *gasp* married the sibling of a close friend. It's not incestuous -- more like the neighbor kids who were sweethearts all their lives and end up a happily married 80-something year old couple.

I'm four years older than my husband. Yes, I, the wife is four years older than he, the husband. My father was six years older than my mother.

I know very few couples who are the exact same age.

There's nothing wrong with dating someone a year younger, and I've known more than a few people who have successfully dated and *gasp* married the sibling of a close friend. It's not incestuous -- more like the neighbor kids who were sweethearts all their lives and end up a happily married 80-something year old couple.
:rolleyes: People continue to jump from one conclusion to another. The reason I felt Harry was a cradle robber is that I have always imagine Ginny as a little girl, the little Harry Potter fanatic geek. The movie had a girl who appears VERY YOUNG play the role of Ginny as well. So, you see, I imagine Ginny much younger than she is. Perhaps technically it's not cradle-robbing, but it feels like it to me. In addition, I said it was ALMOST incestuous, not that it WAS incestuous.

So, my friend who's twice as old as me came over today and we gossiped and debated over Harry Potter, in many cases checking the book to see if some particular thing we were assuming was said or just implied. Here are five different theories on Snape's killing of Dumbledore:

1. Dumbledore's dead and Snape is a Death Eater
This is what the text seems to say on the face of it, and certainly what Harry believes. This is what most noncritical readers, and some who have considered other theories but simply believe it's the impression JK Rowling intended to give, will go into the 7th book believing.
2. Dumbledore has a Horcrux
Naturally, you remember that Dumbledore was very opposed to Horcruxes. However, considering that he knew Voldemort's side was trying to kill him and that he was very much relied upon, maybe he would have made one anyway. Of course, he would have to kill to do this, which one would think Dumbledore would never do - but notice that near the end, he tells Malfoy "Killing is not nearly so easy as the innocent believe." This implies that he has killed before and therefore makes the theory possible. This theory, however, does not explain Snape; it would depend on whether he knew about the Horcrux or not.
3. Snape and Dumbledore elaborately faked the death
It's hard to imagine how Dumbledore could not be dead, but consider this: As "Moody" told the Defense class in the fourth book, and as a Death Eater (I believe Bellatrix Lestrange) reminded Harry in the fifth book - a powerful curse can only be cast with the proper intent and power behind it. Snape had been talking about nonverbal magic; suppose he said the words "Avada Kedavra" without that intent, and nonverbally cast a different spell that would make it look as though he had performed the proper one. It couldn't possibly be hard to create a beam of green light and we all know levitation is possible. Either Snape or another person on the ground could have slowed Dumbledore as he fell. Harry's petrification did cease, but notice that there was ample time for magical cause of cessation in between the curse and when Harry realized he could move, since he said "as they vanished through the doorway"; on the run, Snape's nonverbal ability could have unfrozen him. We didn't hear the phoenix song until well after the scene left Dumbledore's body, so assuming he wasn't already dead, Fawkes could have healed him... in fact, that might even eliminate the need for slowdown of the fall. At the funeral, his body was wrapped in velvet, so it might not have even been his body. It would seem cruel not to tell Harry any of this, but it's been shown that Harry cannot protect his thoughts and therefore would need to believe it as well. That would also explain why Dumbledore needed Snape to accomplish this, being an incredible Occlumens. The reason my friend felt so certain Dumbledore couldn't just be dead? The things (such as exactly how he injured his hand) that were never explained, along with hints in the conversation with Malfoy that it was possible to fake a death very convincingly. If the Unbreakable Vow was somehow altered by the fact that Snape twitched his hand during the last part of it, he may have been able to sidestep it.
4. Snape valued his own life more
Assuming that the Unbreakable Vow did hold, Snape would die if he did not kill Dumbledore - it is clear enough from the dialogues that that was Malfoy's task, and Malfoy clearly was unable to do it. Seeing that Dumbledore was in such shoddy condition already, he might have decided, whatever his original intent, that his own life was more important to save. Thus he could still be on the Order's side... thought it undoubtedly makes him a despicable, slimy little bastard.
5. Dumbledore intended his own death
Dumbledore knew he was getting old, less competent, becoming more valuable for knowledge than magical ability. He might have decided to impart everything important he knew to Harry, then sacrifice himself in order to keep Snape as a convincing spy for the Order.

Personally, I think the Horcrux theory is extremely unlikely. I don't think Dumbledore would do that. I think Snape's valuing his own life more is also a less likely of these theories - I believe if he was with the Order he would either not make a proper Unbreakable Vow in the first place, or it would be a sacrificial situation for one of the two and he would hold his word. Of the remaining three theories, I don't know what to think - the fake death seems a bit too hopeful and complicated, the superficial situation a little too, well, superficial and out of line with Snape, and the intended death a little too mediocre of a cost/benefit analysis and above all disappointing. In any case, I believe Harry is going to go nutso until HE knows what's going on, if it's not just what it seems, and I see lots of parallel with other "Chosen" figures such as Buffy Summers (aloneness) and Luke Skywalker (temptation by hate). I really hope that he does not actually leave school, because the book just wouldn't feel right that way. If it turns out that Dumbledore isn't dead now, I think he will die a natural death in the last book anyway.

Will I even remember that in two years?

As an aside... has anyone else ever wondered why the hell Percy wasn't in Slytherin? I mean, as far as ambition and doing anything to meet his ends, he fits the bill pretty well. Plus being as much of a prat as Malfoy and the tendency toward corruption. I can't say I remember him doing anything brave and honorable like a Gryffindor either.

As an aside... has anyone else ever wondered why the hell Percy wasn't in Slytherin? I mean, as far as ambition and doing anything to meet his ends, he fits the bill pretty well. Plus being as much of a prat as Malfoy and the tendency toward corruption. I can't say I remember him doing anything brave and honorable like a Gryffindor either.
House placement tends to run in families.

Am I the only one that thinks that Gryffindor is overrated?

And is it just me, or does Rowling seem like she can do very well without Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw? Not like they get enough mention anyways...

Am I the only one that thinks that Gryffindor is overrated?

And is it just me, or does Rowling seem like she can do very well without Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw? Not like they get enough mention anyways...
I like Ravenclaw the best, but Hufflepuff seems like a BS house, like, "You don't go anywhere else, so I'll put you here."

Am I the only one that thinks that Gryffindor is overrated?

And is it just me, or does Rowling seem like she can do very well without Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw? Not like they get enough mention anyways...

The name Ravenclaw is awesome but you are right. The only time they are seen is at sorting and Quidditch matches.

I like Ravenclaw the best, but Hufflepuff seems like a BS house, like, "You don't go anywhere else, so I'll put you here."

Ravenclaw is where the intelligent... and the hot, go.

Hufflepuff is not really that much of a BS house. They like loyal and honest people, but I agree that is kind of a loose definition.

As an aside... has anyone else ever wondered why the hell Percy wasn't in Slytherin? I mean, as far as ambition and doing anything to meet his ends, he fits the bill pretty well. Plus being as much of a prat as Malfoy and the tendency toward corruption. I can't say I remember him doing anything brave and honorable like a Gryffindor either.

For that matter how in the hell did Wormtail make it into Gryphondor?

House placement tends to run in families.

Which is why Sirius Black was in Slythern, um wait . . . :p

House placement tends to run in families.

True, but I think that's because parents will raise their kids to have similar character traits as themselves, and besides, it didn't stop Sirius Black from getting into Gryffindor - personally I think they could have made an exception for Percy too.

About Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw being throwaway houses, I don't entirely agree, but I was thinking a similar thing about Ravenclaw. Hufflepuff's prominent enough - Ernie Macmillan and Hannah Abbot are the posse's friends, Justin Finch-Fletchley came up in second book, Cedric, the first character to die and the first person to beat Harry at Quidditch, was in Hufflepuff, and it's been known for a while that Professor Sprout is the Head of House. I believe the ghost has been mentioned as well, though I can't remember right now.

Ravenclaw, on the other hand, is barely mentioned. Cho and Luna have given it a little publicity recently, but before that there was zilch of importance coming from that direction. The ghost has never been mentioned, and while a friend told me Flitwick is Head of House, I didn't know that. It also seems that Harry has never had a Gryffindor/Ravenclaw class.

Which is why Sirius Black was in Slythern, um wait . . . :p
I said "tends to", but obviously there are some exceptions.

just a question who is R.A.B?

just a question who is R.A.B?
It is hypothesised that it is Regulus A. Black, and the A. stands for Alphard, Sirius's, and therefore, Regulus's, uncle.

And since when has "snogging" been the main focus of the book? Here I was expecting the series to go progressively darker, and then I read "snog, snog, snog, snog, snog. SNOG!"and the word appeared in the T.V. show Entertainment Tonight.... :headbang: I hope it won't become a fad word here in America.

harry poter is lame. you guys are f'in losers

True, but I think that's because parents will raise their kids to have similar character traits as themselves, and besides, it didn't stop Sirius Black from getting into Gryffindor - personally I think they could have made an exception for Percy too.

About Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw being throwaway houses, I don't entirely agree, but I was thinking a similar thing about Ravenclaw. Hufflepuff's prominent enough - Ernie Macmillan and Hannah Abbot are the posse's friends, Justin Finch-Fletchley came up in second book, Cedric, the first character to die and the first person to beat Harry at Quidditch, was in Hufflepuff, and it's been known for a while that Professor Sprout is the Head of House. I believe the ghost has been mentioned as well, though I can't remember right now.

Ravenclaw, on the other hand, is barely mentioned. Cho and Luna have given it a little publicity recently, but before that there was zilch of importance coming from that direction. The ghost has never been mentioned, and while a friend told me Flitwick is Head of House, I didn't know that. It also seems that Harry has never had a Gryffindor/Ravenclaw class.he has had some classes with the Ravenclaws, (Gotta remember which book mentions it.) Remember the main focus was Harry (in Gryffendor) and Snape (Slytheryn) would've been interesting if Ron was from Hufflepuff and Hermionie in Ravenclaw. that way they can have the whole "the houses must unite" type of deal. but then again JK Rowlings has so much info on secondary characters that she had to cut out, it's no wonder that the other houses arn't mentioned.

For that matter how in the hell did Wormtail make it into Gryphondor?

Well i guess its the same reason why Neville made it in. He's brave just not...all the time!! We'll probably see that sometime in book 7 when he pays back Harry for saving his life!

wait a second...ron and hermione get together? i read the book but when did they get together??? :confused:

sry, that response i just posted was to #15--- just really confused

wait a second...ron and hermione get together? i read the book but when did they get together??? :confused:

They didn't Actually get together. But at the end it was obvious that they were. You know her crying on his shoulder while he played with her hair. They'll probably become offical next book

I havn't read much of this thread, but I have the stinking suspicion that Harry is the last bit of V's soul.. you make them by killing people he killed his mom instead of him.. it explains a lot.. and "NEITHER can live while the other survives..." seems to say neither can live... it makes sense when you think about it..

I havn't read much of this thread, but I have the stinking suspicion that Harry is the last bit of V's soul.. you make them by killing people he killed his mom instead of him.. it explains a lot.. and "NEITHER can live while the other survives..." seems to say neither can live... it makes sense when you think about it..
THAT is an interesting theory I'd like to take up with JK herself.

I havn't read much of this thread, but I have the stinking suspicion that Harry is the last bit of V's soul.. you make them by killing people he killed his mom instead of him.. it explains a lot.. and "NEITHER can live while the other survives..." seems to say neither can live... it makes sense when you think about it..


Thats a pretty good theory, i was thinking about that but...
Voldy tried to kill Harry, if he had made harry a Horcrux why would he had tried to kill him? I mean by killing Harry he'll be killing a piece of himself, wouldn't he rather Harry lived?

I havn't read much of this thread, but I have the stinking suspicion that Harry is the last bit of V's soul.. you make them by killing people he killed his mom instead of him.. it explains a lot.. and "NEITHER can live while the other survives..." seems to say neither can live... it makes sense when you think about it..

That was actually one of the predictions I made after I finished the 6th book. STOP READING MY MIND!!! lol.

As for the rest of my predictions for book #7: (warning, I will be using Star Wars references and some are meant to be funny :D )


Dumbledore comes "back" and starts talking to Harry like Obi Wan Kenobi. ("Use the force." lol)

Serius Black pops back out of nowhere. That is why JKR didn't just have him get hit with the death curse. She obviously planned for him to come back. He may end up just dying again, who knows.

Snape dies a Darth Vader style heroic death.

The new Minister of Magic turns out to be working for the enemy.

Lord V. tries to turn Harry to "the dark side."

Lupin dies, thus ending the Marauders' line.

Moody dies in battle.

Tonks dies avenging Lupin.

Hagrid dies.

Slughorn dies.

Harry dies, with Ron and Herm. at his side (probobly making out or something. lol). I am actually split on that one; he may not, but it wouldn't suprise me if he did.

Neville's parents recover from their insanity and join the fight against Lord V.

And finally, it may turn out that Neville was the one that needed to kill Voldemort all along.


***This has been a Gronde prediction***
(believe at your own risk)

Well, I guess Voldemort never said whether he planned to kill Harry or not. I thought that as well...

Not like Voldemort has any friends to confide the truth to.

Well, I guess Voldemort never said whether he planned to kill Harry or not. I thought that as well...

Not like Voldemort has any friends to confide the truth to.

Well i guess he's never actually SAID it, He only shot the Avada Kedavra spell at him every chance he got, and tried to kill him at every possible moment in Harry's life....but he really might not have had any plan to actually kill Harry

That was actually one of the predictions I made after I finished the 6th book. STOP READING MY MIND!!! lol.

As for the rest of my predictions for book #7: (warning, I will be using Star Wars references and some are meant to be funny :D )


Dumbledore comes "back" and starts talking to Harry like Obi Wan Kenobi. ("Use the force." lol)

Serius Black pops back out of nowhere. That is why JKR didn't just have him get hit with the death curse. She obviously planned for him to come back. He may end up just dying again, who knows.

Snape dies a Darth Vader style heroic death.

The new Minister of Magic turns out to be working for the enemy.

Lord V. tries to turn Harry to "the dark side."

Lupin dies, thus ending the Marauders' line.

Moody dies in battle.

Tonks dies avenging Lupin.

Hagrid dies.

Slughorn dies.

Harry dies, with Ron and Herm. at his side (probobly making out or something. lol). I am actually split on that one; he may not, but it wouldn't suprise me if he did.

Neville's parents recover from their insanity and join the fight against Lord V.

And finally, it may turn out that Neville was the one that needed to kill Voldemort all along.


***This has been a Gronde prediction***
(believe at your own risk)

haha and that way no one can ever bother JK for a sequel/8th book since everybody will be dead, except neville, and no one cares about him anyway!

Well, who says Harry would have to be alive of the Horecrux to work? Perhaps it's just the scar or something.

haha and that way no one can ever bother JK for a sequel/8th book since everybody will be dead, except neville, and no one cares about him anyway!

Exactly. Although I do think Ron and Hermionie will be alive at the end of book 7. She may kill them off as well. You never know. So in short: EVERYBODY DIES!!! Bwahahahahahahaha!!

Oh right, I have another prediction: (ok, its not a prediction, just something that I want to see)

Some crazy wizard is going to drop into a fight with a wand in one hand and an SMG in the other, perhaps with a few grenades for good measure, and cause some mass death.


BTW, has anyone ever though that Lord V. is answering to an even higher power?

They're 16 now. It happens. It's cute. Leave em alone.

I guess, but I thought it happened a little too much...almost like JK Rowling didn't intend it, but made it to please her fans and all the H/G shippers in the world. She could have at least used a much better word than "snogging."


and the word appeared in the T.V. show Entertainment Tonight.... :headbang: I hope it won't become a fad word here in America.

It's also in the latest NEWSWEEK, a quote from Jude Law's ex-nanny, the quote being, "Oh my god, Jude Law is snogging me."

I have never read any of the HP books and don't plan to. If I do I might read the first 3.

I think the whole HP has become overhyped.

For something less hyped and could be as equally as good I recommend The Belgariad and The Malloreon by David Eddings

oh HECK yah. those books rock

one of a kind,well. they WERE untill the Tamuli and the Elenium came out.

It's also in the latest NEWSWEEK, a quote from Jude Law's ex-nanny, the quote being, "Oh my god, Jude Law is snogging me."
snogging, sounds like a crappy olympic sport (go go gadget oxymoron) or the kind of kissing they do on joke faces where they are literally slobbering on peoples faces

Wow, you've only been here for 4 posts!! and already calling people sluts, calm down... Ginny's cool, just cause she was kissing someone at the age of 15, and has had 3 boyfriends doesn't make her a slut

Welcome to NS anyway :fluffle:

well, here's my theory. ginny said,"I dumped that loser." Then three weeks later she was making out with dean thomas in a deserted hall, then harry and her were hugging, and they started making out. Ginny dumped the first guy because he didn't have enough money to pay her, she was making out with dean after he slipped her a galleon during quidditch, and probably harry slipped her a few sickles to be his girlfriend.

Ihatevacations']snogging, sounds like a crappy olympic sport (go go gadget oxymoron) or the kind of kissing they do on joke faces where they are literally slobbering on peoples faces


Haha the first time i read that word i had a distinct image of two pigs squashing their faces together!! Thier was alot of snorting involved if you wanted to know.

well, here's my theory. ginny said,"I dumped that loser." Then three weeks later she was making out with dean thomas in a deserted hall, then harry and her were hugging, and they started making out. Ginny dumped the first guy because he didn't have enough money to pay her, she was making out with dean after he slipped her a galleon during quidditch, and probably harry slipped her a few sickles to be his girlfriend.

Harry rescued her when she was kidnapped by Voldemort. That's enough to make her love Harry alone!

well, here's my theory. ginny said,"I dumped that loser." Then three weeks later she was making out with dean thomas in a deserted hall, then harry and her were hugging, and they started making out. Ginny dumped the first guy because he didn't have enough money to pay her, she was making out with dean after he slipped her a galleon during quidditch, and probably harry slipped her a few sickles to be his girlfriend.

Even if this were real life, your accusation would be completely unfounded. People have gone through boyfriends and girlfriends faster. And, um, this is a book...a children's book...get a grip.

So, Olivander claimed that great things would come from Potter, as they came from Voldemort. And most of what Voldemort did consisted of making up new spells and such...
Could it possibly be that Harry can harness the power of love enough to finally not only STOP people from dying, but reverse it? :p Damn, I'd know I'd be a very scared Dark Lord if I saw all Potter charging at me with all of my former murder victims surronding him.
With axes, of course.

Thats a pretty good theory, i was thinking about that but...
Voldy tried to kill Harry, if he had made harry a Horcrux why would he had tried to kill him? I mean by killing Harry he'll be killing a piece of himself, wouldn't he rather Harry lived?

I was talking to my mum about this theory, cause it's one of hers too. I haven't checked this in the books but, we don't know exactly what happened the night Harry's parents died cause we assumed that James died first and then Lily, but they come the wrong way out from Voldemorts wand in GoF...

Also, along the theory of Snape actually being good, Flitwick could actually have passed out... Hermione was right in the beginning but now they're determined to think he's bad, so the possibility of him actually getting help for Flitwick seems to have disappeared...

just some thoughts

BTW, has anyone ever though that Lord V. is answering to an even higher power?

Exactly! Who would ever suspect the evil overlord, Professor Sprout?

just finished reading it this morning.... i can't believe Dumbledore's dead :( :( :(

god Harry really does have to put up with a lot of shit

just finished reading it this morning.... i can't believe Dumbledore's dead :( :( :(

god Harry really does have to put up with a lot of shit

Yeah he seriously does. You can just tell he's one enraged sob!

Well i guess its the same reason why Neville made it in. He's brave just not...all the time!! We'll probably see that sometime in book 7 when he pays back Harry for saving his life!

Nevile always had a core of bravery burryed deep down (and smothered by his familiy) and Harry Ron and Hermione helped him to locate his spine and his balls. Wormtail showed signs of not having a spine or balls to locate.

Even if this were real life, your accusation would be completely unfounded. People have gone through boyfriends and girlfriends faster. And, um, this is a book...a children's book...get a grip.

I'm afraid he has one. I let you think about what it's on . . .

Nevile always had a core of bravery burryed deep down (and smothered by his familiy) and Harry Ron and Hermione helped him to locate his spine and his balls. Wormtail showed signs of not having a spine or balls to locate.
Why does that sound like something I'd expect in a Harry Potter erotic fanfic?

Why does that sound like something I'd expect in a Harry Potter erotic fanfic?

Because you have a dirtyer mind than me, shame on you! :p

Yeah he seriously does. You can just tell he's one enraged sob!

Oh yeah, that leads to another one of my predictions: Harry definately has to go on a muderous rampage.

Also, I have a feeling that he is going to return to Hogwarts anyways, even though he said that he wasn't going to. Besides, they are up for another Tri-wizard's tournament. (though it might not happen due to Dumbledore's death)

Oh yeah, that leads to another one of my predictions: Harry definately has to go on a muderous rampage.

Also, I have a feeling that he is going to return to Hogwarts anyways, even though he said that he wasn't going to. Besides, they are up for another Tri-wizard's tournament. (though it might not happen due to Dumbledore's death)

It's been a while since I read book four, but I don't think they happen every 3 years . . .

Does anyone else think the final battle will be at Hogwarts.... and that Harry is a Horcrux

and that Harry is a Horcrux
i suppose that makes sense, actually. i mean voldemort did reserve creating Horcrux's for special deaths - and Potter's would definatley qualified what with the prophecy and all. i wouldn't be suprised if this was the case, then - although it is a bit obvious ("OMG Harry has to die for Voldemort to be killed!!") and i hope Rowling does something utterly unexpected and clever instead

I was talking to my mum about this theory, cause it's one of hers too. I haven't checked this in the books but, we don't know exactly what happened the night Harry's parents died cause we assumed that James died first and then Lily, but they come the wrong way out from Voldemorts wand in GoF...


just some thoughts

oh JK said she made a mistake with that cause the editors confused her. She changed it in all future minted book, you can check one in the bookstore to see that she put it in the right way now. But anyway in an interview a couple of weeks ago, she said straight that Lily did in fact die to save Harry!


Nevile always had a core of bravery burryed deep down (and smothered by his familiy) and Harry Ron and Hermione helped him to locate his spine and his balls. Wormtail showed signs of not having a spine or balls to locate.

Well Wormtails is evil and deciful, your undemining his bravery because of the ways he ussually shows it. As horrible as it may sound, he did in fact stand up to Siruis, when he blasted the street in half. Siruis was about to kill him, and Peter instead of freaking out and begging for mercy stood his ground! He also went in Moody's house to get him aswell. And the best yet, was when he actually tried to talk voldy out of trying to kill Harry, saying that he could use anyones blood, it doesn't have to be his! Wormtails a backboneless weak thing most of the time, and seems to only be brave when he has to, to save himself...but he does show bravery here and there!

Well Wormtails is evil and deciful, your undemining his bravery because of the ways he ussually shows it. As horrible as it may sound, he did in fact stand up to Siruis, when he blasted the street in half. Siruis was about to kill him, and Peter instead of freaking out and begging for mercy stood his ground!

Causing a huge distraction and running like hell is not "standing your ground".

Well Wormtails is evil and deciful, your undemining his bravery because of the ways he ussually shows it. As horrible as it may sound, he did in fact stand up to Siruis, when he blasted the street in half. Siruis was about to kill him, and Peter instead of freaking out and begging for mercy stood his ground! He also went in Moody's house to get him aswell. And the best yet, was when he actually tried to talk voldy out of trying to kill Harry, saying that he could use anyones blood, it doesn't have to be his! Wormtails a backboneless weak thing most of the time, and seems to only be brave when he has to, to save himself...but he does show bravery here and there!
Illuminated is right, he used some spell to blow a hunred people or whatever away then turned into a rat and got the fuck out of there leaving sirius framed for the crime. he tried to talk voldermont out of killngi harry because harry is well protected and wormtail is a coward.