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Anyone who doesn't want to know what happens in the latest installment of Harry Potter - Look away now.....anyone else, listen closely....

I have spent the whole day reading Half Blood Prince............

Dumbledore is dead...

Any questions?

Did you wear a pointy hat at the point of purchase or during reading of the book?

Did you wear a pointy hat at the point of purchase or during reading of the book?

Nope. Why, is this important?

Is it just me, or was this book so much worse than the first 5?

I mean, seriously, you just summed up the entire book with that sentence.. "Dumbledore is dead"..

Anyone who doesn't want to know what happens in the latest installment of Harry Potter - Look away now.....anyone else, listen closely....

I have spent the whole day reading Half Blood Prince............

Dumbledore is dead...

Any questions?you can also hide spoilers like this...

and Snape Killed him... or so I heard.

using the Color tag.

Is it just me, or was this book so much worse than the first 5?

I mean, seriously, you just summed up the entire book with that sentence.. "Dumbledore is dead"..so you know who the Half-blood prince is?

wow... :D

Is it just me, or was this book so much worse than the first 5?

I mean, seriously, you just summed up the entire book with that sentence.. "Dumbledore is dead"..

Does that mean I'm not the only person in the world to have finished it already by your comment? Or do you mean that the ability to sum it up in one sentence shows how bad it is?

how did he die?

so you know who the Half-blood prince is?

wow... :D

Well, believe it or not, the half bloody prince was in fact Snape, and Yes, yes indeed ..... Snape killed Dumbledore with Adava Kedavra curse....

how did he die?

I believe post #9 will answer that question...

Well, believe it or not, the half bloody prince was in fact Snape, and Yes, yes indeed ..... Snape killed Dumbledore with Adava Kedavra curse....so Snape repays Dumbledore after he makes him DADA teacher... So I heard... didn't read the book yet... tho after POA, I might not so that I can enjoy the movies more. wonder if we can create a thread entirely of these hidden words?

Nope. Why, is this important?

The people dressed as witches and wizards camping outside book shops for three days to get the book frighten me.

Pwned

I believe post #9 will answer that question...

there is no information in post 9 concerning his death :confused:

[Extreme spoilerage!!!!]
I got the book, finished it in 3 1/2 hours.

Dumbledore is dead, but now Harry knows Voldemort's weakness. Snape is the Half-Blood Prince. He killed Dumbledore. Harry falls in love with Ginny, and then pulls a Spiderman (see end of first Spidey movie for reference.) Ron and Hermoine finally get together, making me pretty damn sure one of them is SO going to die.

Any questions?

The people dressed as witches and wizards camping outside book shops for three days to get the book frighten me.Should've immediatly told them that you will report them to the Ministry for exposing the Wizard word to the Muggles and see what they say.

Or the Lost Property desk which is more full of life than ever before.

so Snape repays Dumbledore after he makes him DADA teacher... So I heard... didn't read the book yet... tho after POA, I might not so that I can enjoy the movies more. wonder if we can create a thread entirely of these hidden words?

Yup, something of the sort - he was made dada, but that role wasn't prominently played in the book....We could try, but these other damn people keep butting in in full black colour!! lol........Read the book - is not bad! Though slightly too ..... rushed? possibly the word I'm looking for

Dumbledore is dead, but now Harry knows Voldemort's weakness. Snape is the Half-Blood Prince. He killed Dumbledore. Harry falls in love with Ginny, and then pulls a Spiderman (see end of first Spidey movie for reference.) Ron and Hermoine finally get together, making me pretty damn sure one of them is SO going to die.

ok so snape killed dunbledore, how could that little weasel snape kill like the ultimate magic guy ever??? how cud harry fall in love with ginny??? what is voldemorts weakness???

Read the damn book and find out.

ok so snape killed dunbledore, how could that little weasel snape kill like the ultimate magic guy ever??? how cud harry fall in love with ginny??? what is voldemorts weakness???
1) dumbledore thought snape was on his side, SNEAK ATTACK, nothing defeats the killing curse but strange house elves
2) couldnt answer it properly -_-
3) underpants

ok so snape killed dunbledore, how could that little weasel snape kill like the ultimate magic guy ever??? how cud harry fall in love with ginny??? what is voldemorts weakness???

His weakness is that his soul is basically spread out across the world (the next book is guarenteed to be about harry tracking the four bits of his soul that are as yet unaccounted for - the diary being the first). as for falling in love with ginny, not really seen coming until the beginning of the book, but he lets her go in the end anyway so she can come to no harm - which means that she will come to harm if not die, so obvious - Snape killed dumbledore simply - he had been weakened by a potion that harry and ddore had found whilst trying to lay their hands on part of Vmores soul....any more q's?

Ihatevacations']1) dumbledore thought snape was on his side, SNEAK ATTACK, nothing defeats the killing curse but strange house elves
2) couldnt answer it properly -_-
3) underpants

I resent that remark!! I AM NOT Dumbledore's weakness!! LOL!!

that all makes sence, and whoever said i should read it and find out is a nickenpoop. i would like to read it i would, i have dyslexia and it takes me around 3 minutes to read a page, so next time you tell me to read something think first!!! and like hell i am paying £11.00 for a book. humph can get a simpsons comic for £1.50 so there. *turns back*

I resent that remark!! I AM NOT Dumbledore's weakness!! LOL!!So Dumbledore's g- *hand clapped over mouth*

I wondered why he acted so strangely... :p

thanks everyone now i dont need to try and read it.

Ah. That explains the spelling.

Anyway, if I had know you were dyslexic I wouldn't have made the comment. I'm sick of people asking me how this book or that book ends. (I read exceedingly fast, so I'm usually the first one finished..)

So Dumbledore's g- *hand clapped over mouth*

I wondered why he acted so strangely... :p

Hahahahahahahaha

Ah. That explains the spelling.

Anyway, if I had know you were dyslexic I wouldn't have made the comment. I'm sick of people asking me how this book or that book ends. (I read exceedingly fast, so I'm usually the first one finished..)

Then don't bother posting on a thread that's called "Harry Potter (SPOILER)" Especially when your first post is saying some of the stuff that happened in the book

Bumper stickers of the new book are apparently now available...only joking....interesting point about it though, it's no way near as good as the first few!!

Quite interesting. Never new about Dumbledore and the entire g- thing...

Anyway, if I had know you were dyslexic I wouldn't have made the comment. I'm sick of people asking me how this book or that book ends. (I read exceedingly fast, so I'm usually the first one finished..)

thanks for that sort of retraction of comment, listen to underpants man bout the thing about people asking you bout book endings.

Ah. That explains the spelling.

is that a cheap dig at me??? :confused:

Ah. That explains the spelling.

Anyway, if I had know you were dyslexic I wouldn't have made the comment. I'm sick of people asking me how this book or that book ends. (I read exceedingly fast, so I'm usually the first one finished..)No, I am. I read about 120 pages an hour. The book is 600 pages, which means I can finish it in 5 hours (reading everything). Just skimming the book might take 3 hours, but it's no fun that way. :p

I haven't read it yet. Is it as clichéd as the 5th? (ends with a battle, good vs. evil, oppressive DADA "Inquisition", loss of a family member, etc.)

BumpYou bumped it after 6 minutes? That = bad idea. :rolleyes:

What's a bump??? :headbang:

You bumped it after 6 minutes? That = bad idea. :rolleyes:
Check again...

I haven't read it yet. Is it as clichéd as the 5th? (ends with a battle, good vs. evil, oppressive DADA "Inquisition", loss of a family member, etc.)

Nope not realy - it ends on Dumbledore having a funeral (HIS funeral), and Harry, Ron and Hermione having a loving embrace "sharing a moment of peace" or something similar - not sure on exact wording, mum's pinched it now...lol

What's a bump??? :headbang:Bump, n. To move a thread to the top of the forum, usually by posting "bump". Discouraged in excess. v. To bump something.

Ron and Hermione do NOT get together... it just furthers their 'romance'.

Snape killed Dumbledore because of the unbreakable vow. He will prolly be making up for his actions in the next book before dying.

Harry and Ginny was bound to happen eventually. Since Ron and Hermione get together (or will next book), it would make it wierd for Harry to be the third wheel unless he was dating someone close to them - thus Ginny. The signs were kinda there from the first book, but it wasn't until Order of the Phoenix that you knew it was gonna happen. Harry just had to get over that stupid Chang girl. Neville will prolly get with Luna, so completing the super six: Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Neville, Luna.

It was better than Order of the Phoenix, but I'm not sure about being better than Goblet of Fire. It is prolly my favourite though, purely for the Harry and Ginny (see my sig ;))

Check again...



Nope not realy - it ends on Dumbledore having a funeral (HIS funeral), and Harry, Ron and Hermione having a loving embrace "sharing a moment of peace" or something similar - not sure on exact wording, mum's pinched it now...lolAh, it's not a clichéd ending. And the rest of the book? Was it darker than the 5th, I've heard people say so. Did it have a lot of battles or Quidditch games, or were they cancelled? (I think they were cancelled -- just a hunch -- but who knows.)

Ah, it's not a clichéd ending. And the rest of the book? Was it darker than the 5th, I've heard people say so. Did it have a lot of battles or Quidditch games, or were they cancelled? (I think they were cancelled -- just a hunch -- but who knows.)
Its better than OotP, but not sure about GoF. My personal favourite though, and worth the read. Yeah, its a bit darker and a bit more mature, ina good way. Plus its a tiny bit smaller which is good. A lot of intrigue, spells, a big battle at the end, and the Quidditch went on... and in a good way. DEFINITELY worth the read.

Ah, it's not a clichéd ending. And the rest of the book? Was it darker than the 5th, I've heard people say so. Did it have a lot of battles or Quidditch games, or were they cancelled? (I think they were cancelled -- just a hunch -- but who knows.)

Nope, no cancellation no major battles - not what I'd call major battles - it's rather a let down after book five in fact, especially the ending - as I said in an earlier post, I think she rushed it's completion....There was one battle near the end, which was just after snape had killed ddore - snape made a vow to kill ddore if Draco failed to do so, and if he had failed in that vow, the punishment was death - malfoy failed in his mission from vmort and so snape had to do it, it was that or die. he'll probably end up being a good guy in the end, just so jk can go back to her routes of clichéd endings....oh yeah, and just my guess ddore/sirius/both in #7 will come back to life/have never have died and will have all been a terrible dream, in fact, Harry is still 11, living with the durselys and not a wizard.....what a wonderful world that woman lives in, eh?

Its better than OotP, but not sure about GoF. My personal favourite though, and worth the read. Yeah, its a bit darker and a bit more mature, ina good way. Plus its a tiny bit smaller which is good. A lot of intrigue, spells, a big battle at the end, and the Quidditch went on... and in a good way. DEFINITELY worth the read.I'll pick it up ASAP.

Its better than OotP, but not sure about GoF. My personal favourite though, and worth the read. Yeah, its a bit darker and a bit more mature, ina good way. Plus its a tiny bit smaller which is good. A lot of intrigue, spells, a big battle at the end, and the Quidditch went on... and in a good way. DEFINITELY worth the read.

You can't have read it!! That's a load of baloney!! It is more childish if anything!! Oh yes, she may have put in some "relationships", but they're the kind of "relationships" you have with people when you're about 11, JK doesn't seem to have the grasp of the kind of relationship you have when you're sixteen - more mature perhaps because they have now started doing "rude gestures"? That's mature????? What world are you living on?

Sounds even worse than I expected.

Let me put it this way. It wasn't great, it wasn't bad. I wouldn't recommend it to the average person, just fantasy and hp fans.

Nope, no cancellation no major battles - not what I'd call major battles - it's rather a let down after book five in fact, especially the ending - as I said in an earlier post, I think she rushed it's completion....There was one battle near the end, which was just after snape had killed ddore - snape made a vow to kill ddore if Draco failed to do so, and if he had failed in that vow, the punishment was death - malfoy failed in his mission from vmort and so snape had to do it, it was that or die. he'll probably end up being a good guy in the end, just so jk can go back to her routes of clichéd endings....oh yeah, and just my guess ddore/sirius/both in #7 will come back to life/have never have died and will have all been a terrible dream, in fact, Harry is still 11, living with the durselys and not a wizard.....what a wonderful world that woman lives in, eh?No, probably Voldemort and Harry both die fighting each other; or Snape dies saving Harry, or something routine like that. Or it turns into all that philosophical metaphysical nonsense at the end and Harry becomes Voldemort and goes back to the past to fight his younger self. Then "Voldemort" is killed and reincarnated 18 years in the past as Harry. It's a vicious cycle. ;)

It isn't one of Rowling's better books. OotP and GoF were better, if only because they went into more detail, gave you more informaton. This wasn't particularly detailed, because it gave about zip about the Middle of harry's summer, and none about harry returning to the dursleys (that I remember anyway).

You can't have read it!! That's a load of baloney!! It is more childish if anything!! Oh yes, she may have put in some "relationships", but they're the kind of "relationships" you have with people when you're about 11, JK doesn't seem to have the grasp of the kind of relationship you have when you're sixteen - more mature perhaps because they have now started doing "rude gestures"? That's mature????? What world are you living on?Wha...?

Sounds even worse than I expected.

Yes, it truly is, a lot [EMPHASIS TIME=NOW] A LOT [/EMPHASIS TIME] worse than you or any of us expected - I am ashamed of JK for producing such rubbish.

It isn't one of Rowling's better books. OotP and GoF were better, if only because they went into more detail, gave you more informaton. This wasn't particularly detailed, because it gave about zip about the Middle of harry's summer, and none about harry returning to the dursleys (that I remember anyway).Yeah...607 pages sounded a bit short. I expected at least 800.

Oh good, this thread saved me alot of time.

No, probably Voldemort and Harry both die fighting each other; or Snape dies saving Harry, or something routine like that. Or it turns into all that philosophical metaphysical nonsense at the end and Harry becomes Voldemort and goes back to the past to fight his younger self. Then "Voldemort" is killed and reincarnated 18 years in the past as Harry. It's a vicious cycle. ;)
Yeah, I kinda like that one - clichéd yet somehow, unfamiliar to the familiar extreme...

Yeah...607 pages sounded a bit short. I expected at least 800.


Yah, in some places she went into great detail and in others \she did "and then _______ (insert part of story here} happened" and then went on to another part without really explaining what happened.

Yah, in some places she went into great detail and in others \she did "and then _______ (insert part of story here} happened" and then went on to another part without really explaining what happened.

Yeah, like I said earlier, she rushed the damn thing - stupid bloody woman - and it's been poorly bloody edited hasn't it?? I mean hardly anything in it makes gramatical sense let alone normal sense

So should I even bother reading it?

You can't have read it!! That's a load of baloney!! It is more childish if anything!! Oh yes, she may have put in some "relationships", but they're the kind of "relationships" you have with people when you're about 11, JK doesn't seem to have the grasp of the kind of relationship you have when you're sixteen - more mature perhaps because they have now started doing "rude gestures"? That's mature????? What world are you living on?
What are you on? Its way more mature than OotP! And I think its the most 'mature' book yet... meaning that the target audience is a bit older. And I think she captured the relationships well. Dunno what sort of relationships YOU have had. I'm sorry, but I think you need to re-read it.

And Sirius and Dumbledore won't come back. Though Dumbledore is now in a painting. They needed to die... Draco shouldn't die, because he proved that he's not as bad as he wants to make out.



You should definitely bother reading it. Its one of the better books of the series.

So should I even bother reading it?

If you've already paid for it, then yes. If not don't, it's not worth the paper it's written on - hopefully it'll end up being a big flop, and JK will go back to writing proper children's books like the first three.

If you've already paid for it, then yes. If not don't, it's not worth the paper it's written on - hopefully it'll end up being a big flop, and JK will go back to writing proper children's books like the first three.
Just because you are some sort of literature elitist doesn't mean everybody won't enjoy it. It will definitely be the most popular one. My only worry is that if/when it gets made into a movie, it'll be butchered.

So should I even bother reading it?If you read this thread, why bother? It would only bore you to the point of gouging your eyes out. :)

It isn't one of Rowling's better books. OotP and GoF were better, if only because they went into more detail, gave you more informaton. This wasn't particularly detailed, because it gave about zip about the Middle of harry's summer, and none about harry returning to the dursleys (that I remember anyway).

I don't think he returns to the dursleys yet. he has to before his seventeeth birthday once and then never again. but I agree this one was a disapointment. Is R.A.B Regulus Black?

What are you on? Its way more mature than OotP! And I think its the most 'mature' book yet... meaning that the target audience is a bit older. And I think she captured the relationships well. Dunno what sort of relationships YOU have had. I'm sorry, but I think you need to re-read it.

Erm, no. I have been in a couple of relationships....one when I was eleven - that's exactly the kind of relationship I was having then. I hope I have grown up since then, me and my girlfriend are moving in together this year and I am hoping to propose shortly afterwards (if I can afford the damn ring)...OotP was loads better than HBP simply because there was much less pretense of BEING an adult book in OotP...because believe it or not it isn't an adult book - it's a children's book also popular with adults - the more she goes in to adult books the worse her writing becomes. She has obviously never studied the way people talk for the character's brief discussions (how many people do you know that say "do not" in ordinary, everday conversation? - i.e. when not arguing or trying to prove a point). No, This remains the worst book she has ever written (though I'm still not sure about "quidditch through the ages").

If you read this thread, why bother? It would only bore you to the point of gouging your eyes out. :)Oh well.

Yeah, I'll always remember the plot summary: "Dumbledore is dead." :p

Oh well.

Yeah, I'll always remember the plot summary: "Dumbledore is dead." :p
Short, sweet, and to the point.

My only worry is that if/when it gets made into a movie, it'll be butchered.

This is the one sensible thing you've said tonight. It WILL be butchured when they make it in to a movie - but my fear is, that even the butchering of hollywood would be an improvement on this one

Erm, no. I have been in a couple of relationships....one when I was eleven - that's exactly the kind of relationship I was having then. I hope I have grown up since then, me and my girlfriend are moving in together this year and I am hoping to propose shortly afterwards (if I can afford the damn ring)...OotP was loads better than HBP simply because there was much less pretense of BEING an adult book in OotP...because believe it or not it isn't an adult book - it's a children's book also popular with adults - the more she goes in to adult books the worse her writing becomes. She has obviously never studied the way people talk for the character's brief discussions (how many people do you know that say "do not" in ordinary, everday conversation? - i.e. when not arguing or trying to prove a point). No, This remains the worst book she has ever written (though I'm still not sure about "quidditch through the ages").
Right and how old are you now? If you are about my age, it means that you have had more mature relationships than MOST people. And thus you are not in a position to comment about everyone.

I say do not, and a lot of people I know do as well. Are you from the US or a Commonwealth nation? Cos remember, this is an ENGLISH book.

This has no pretense of being an adult book. This is still firmly a teenager book. And is SO not the worst book she has written. OotB was definitely worse.

Right and how old are you now? If you are about my age, it means that you have had more mature relationships than MOST people. And thus you are not in a position to comment about everyone.

I say do not, and a lot of people I know do as well. Are you from the US or a Commonwealth nation? Cos remember, this is an ENGLISH book.

This has no pretense of being an adult book. This is still firmly a teenager book. And is SO not the worst book she has written. OotB was definitely worse.Also GoF wasn't my favorite.

Right and how old are you now? If you are about my age, it means that you have had more mature relationships than MOST people. And thus you are not in a position to comment about everyone.

I say do not, and a lot of people I know do as well. Are you from the US or a Commonwealth nation? Cos remember, this is an ENGLISH book.

This has no pretense of being an adult book. This is still firmly a teenager book. And is SO not the worst book she has written. OotB was definitely worse.

I AM English actually. Was born in Hertfordshire unfortunately - moved to wales 5 years ago and never looked back. No one I know uses the words "do not" in normal everyday conversation - not even my friend's parents who insist on saying "whom" and "may I". I'm 19 at the end of the month - and since I was 11 I have only had one relationship and that is with my current girlfriend (and besides how would that mean I have had more mature relationships than most people, and if that was the case why would I NOT "be in the position to comment about everyone" - add to that the fact that I never said I AM in the position to "comment about everyone" I merely stated that through observation no one acts like that with b/f - g/f except for about 11 year olds....And by the way, she hasn't written a book with the abrev> OotB....what's that? Order of the Beano?

Also GoF wasn't my favorite.
I dunno... I thought it was better than both OotP and PoA.

Also, if you want an opinion on the book, check the Rate the Half-Blood Prince thread. I believe Underpants is incredibly biased against it.

I was once convinced to read the first Harry Potter book. I read a chapter of the second. Then I tossed that piece of shit out the window and bashed my head against the sidewalk curb.

I'm sorry, but I have to break it to adults who don't seem to understand: it is a children's book. It is not deep, it doesn't evoke emotion, unless you are an impressionable idiot. You want to read a good book? Read something by Victor Hugo or George Orwell. For fuck's sakes.

I AM English actually. Was born in Hertfordshire unfortunately - moved to wales 5 years ago and never looked back. No one I know uses the words "do not" in normal everyday conversation - not even my friend's parents who insist on saying "whom" and "may I". I'm 19 at the end of the month - and since I was 11 I have only had one relationship and that is with my current girlfriend (and besides how would that mean I have had more mature relationships than most people, and if that was the case why would I NOT "be in the position to comment about everyone" - add to that the fact that I never said I AM in the position to "comment about everyone" I merely stated that through observation no one acts like that with b/f - g/f except for about 11 year olds....And by the way, she hasn't written a book with the abrev> OotB....what's that? Order of the Beano?
Heh. Welsh. However, I am Australian, and know a lot of English people (my adopted sis is from Kent), and frankly they do say it. Not all, but a large number.

Now, as for relationships, you are stating categorically that people do not act like that in relationships. However, you have been with a girl for 8 years, since you were 11, and are planning on marrying soon. That is a very unique and unusual situation. How on earth can you then claim that? Whereas I, a more NORMAL person, state the opposite, and that a lot of people DO act like that WHEN they are that old.

Typo...

I dunno... I thought it was better than both OotP and PoA.

Also, if you want an opinion on the book, check the Rate the Half-Blood Prince thread. I believe Underpants is incredibly biased against it.I liked PoA, GoF was confusing, I liked also PS and CoS. OotP, besides sounding far too much like a title out of "Star Wars", was not bad, as the 870-pp stagnating action was livened by battles, spells, and of course the High Inquisition, but it was full of clichés.

I was once convinced to read the first Harry Potter book. I read a chapter of the second. Then I tossed that piece of shit out the window and bashed my head against the sidewalk curb.

I'm sorry, but I have to break it to adults who don't seem to understand: it is a children's book. It is not deep, it doesn't evoke emotion, unless you are an impressionable idiot. You want to read a good book? Read something by Victor Hugo or George Orwell. For fuck's sakes.
Please do not flame again.

Its an enjoying read. Its not supposed to be deep. If I wanted deep I'd be reading Rushdie. I want to read something enjoyable and escapist. A book doesn't need to be deep to be good.

I liked PoA, GoF was confusing, I liked also PS and CoS. OotP, besides sounding far too much like a title out of "Star Wars", was not bad, as the 870-pp stagnating action was livened by battles, spells, and of course the High Inquisition, but it was full of clichés.
It was so bloody long. Yeah, I liked the first three... I kinda 'like' them more than GoF, but thought that GoF was of a better standard. OotP, well... wasn't quite worth it.

It's an enjoying read if you're shallow. That's my opinion, and that's what I think. If reading Harry Potter is your cup of tea, then so be it. I'm not taking your position seriously or personally, so there's no need to take other's the same way.

Eh... Some people will be litterary elitists about it. It isn't Shakespear and it isn't meant to be.

How do I see it? I give it a 4/5. It was good, better than GoF, about on the same level of OoTP, and a little worse than CoS, PS, and PoA.

I was happy to be prooven right about Harry and Ginny, and I hope to hell that wasn't it for them. The book did feel rushed in places, especially the summer, but it was not terrible by any means.

I was suprised Snape really was a traitor, really. I had expected Dumbledore was a better judge of character than that. Dumbledore's death scene was a bit garbled, but we see it from the terrified perspective of Harry, so that might not be innaccurate.

As a random question inspired in the first chapter... Who is the Prime Minister in 1996? Is it Blair or someone else?

Heh. Welsh. However, I am Australian, and know a lot of English people (my adopted sis is from Kent), and frankly they do say it. Not all, but a large number.

Now, as for relationships, you are stating categorically that people do not act like that in relationships. However, you have been with a girl for 8 years, since you were 11, and are planning on marrying soon. That is a very unique and unusual situation. How on earth can you then claim that? Whereas I, a more NORMAL person, state the opposite, and that a lot of people DO act like that WHEN they are that old.

Typo...

Just one point.....i said one relationship SINCE I was 11, I didn't say it was the same one. I can claim that because, being one of the people generally shunned by the "cool" people I spent a lot of time at school looking in from the outside, watching people, learning about people - I have spent a lot of time watching those people and wishing it was me....sixteen year olds do not act like that - yes they snog, but they do talk. May I remind you that it "is an ENGLISH book" not an Australian one?

Thought as much - though Order of the Beano has its I don't know.....intrigues?

As a random question inspired in the first chapter... Who is the Prime Minister in 1996? Is it Blair or someone else?

John Major 28 November 1990 2 May 1997 Conservative

Please do not flame again.

Its an enjoying read. Its not supposed to be deep. If I wanted deep I'd be reading Rushdie. I want to read something enjoyable and escapist. A book doesn't need to be deep to be good.Exactly. I love reading light literature when I'm not in the mood to ponder (or write!) the deep philosophical mysteries of life and the universe. Or I can do both (as in HHG). We don't always want to hear about deep, emotional stuff.

It's an enjoying read if you're shallow. That's my opinion, and that's what I think. If reading Harry Potter is your cup of tea, then so be it. I'm not taking your position seriously or personally, so there's no need to take other's the same way.

I don't think a book makes very good tea, literally.

I don't think a book makes very good tea, literally.Yeah...I tried OotP and it tasted awful...never try drinking Harry Potter! :D

Of course books make great tea, Defuniak. Without any hint of sarcasm whatsover, or metaphor.

Just one point.....i said one relationship SINCE I was 11, I didn't say it was the same one. I can claim that because, being one of the people generally shunned by the "cool" people I spent a lot of time at school looking in from the outside, watching people, learning about people - I have spent a lot of time watching those people and wishing it was me....sixteen year olds do not act like that - yes they snog, but they do talk. May I remind you that it "is an ENGLISH book" not an Australian one?

Thought as much - though Order of the Beano has its I don't know.....intrigues?
And I am the same yet claim the opposite.

Yes, but I was talking about the English people.

It's an enjoying read if you're shallow. That's my opinion, and that's what I think. If reading Harry Potter is your cup of tea, then so be it. I'm not taking your position seriously or personally, so there's no need to take other's the same way.
Wrong. You made a generalisation, which is frankly, wrong.

when i started reading this thread i wanted to read the latest HP book, halfway through i had to google some european-english words, and now at the end i want some tea, not the british type, but iced tea! so im gonna go to walmart to buy some tea and the harry potter book, thanks for posting.

when i started reading this thread i wanted to read the latest HP book, halfway through i had to google some european-english words, and now at the end i want some tea, not the british type, but iced tea! so im gonna go to walmart to buy some tea and the harry potter book, thanks for posting.Ok, have fun wasting $25! ;)

its only $20

I have never read any of the HP books and don't plan to. If I do I might read the first 3.

I think the whole HP has become overhyped.

For something less hyped and could be as equally as good I recommend The Belgariad and The Malloreon by David Eddings

its only $20Darn high prices! :(

I'll go to Barnes & Noble -- maybe it's less expensive there.

Darn high prices! :(

I'll go to Barnes & Noble -- maybe it's less expensive there.
its cheaper in england I hear, and its cheaper from the publisher, they have like a 20% discount on it I heard

Ihatevacations']its cheaper in england I hear, and its cheaper from the publisher, they have like a 20% discount on it I heardDarn it! Yet another reason why I want to move to England! :)

Darn it! Yet another reason why I want to move to England! :)


move to england?!?!?!?!?! NO!!!!!!!!!!!! ..... can i come? our president is gonna get our a$$es blown up. blair dont seem too bad

move to england?!?!?!?!?! NO!!!!!!!!!!!! ..... can i come? our president is gonna get our a$$es blown up. blair dont seem too badUh...you can hide in my carry-on...;)

that definately wont fit iunder the seat

:(

move to england?!?!?!?!?! NO!!!!!!!!!!!! ..... can i come? our president is gonna get our a$$es blown up. blair dont seem too badI'm actually not going for the politics. There are a lot of people in Britain who seem very interesting who I'd like to meet, such as PM, Moleland, Sirocco, and of course, Myrth. :p

And you can go in the overhead compartment. How tall are you?

Ah. That explains the spelling.

Anyway, if I had know you were dyslexic I wouldn't have made the comment. I'm sick of people asking me how this book or that book ends. (I read exceedingly fast, so I'm usually the first one finished..)

I read it in 3 1/2 hrs too and i came on here with no one to talk too... :( So yeah, but it's all cool cause now there's a thread with lots of people on it... I started mine too early... :rolleyes:

I read it in 3 1/2 hrs too and i came on here with no one to talk too... :( So yeah, but it's all cool cause now there's a thread with lots of people on it... I started mine too early... :rolleyes:What did you think of it?

I'm actually not going for the politics. There are a lot of people in Britain who seem very interesting who I'd like to meet, such as PM, Moleland, Sirocco, and of course, Myrth. :p

And you can go in the overhead compartment. How tall are you?


im 6' 2" or uhhh, 2 meters/metres
i like america 'cause of our celeberties and, uhhh, monuments, and ..... ah, stephen king! the stand is my favorite/favourite book

im 6' 2" or uhhh, 2 meters/metres
i like america 'cause of our celeberties and, uhhh, monuments, and ..... ah, stephen king! the stand is my favorite/favourite bookYou'll fit. :p

What did you think of it?

I liked it, it was more serious than the rest but it was good....

And for any of you who've read it then who do you think RAB is... my guess below

Regulus (...) Black

I liked it, it was more serious than the rest but it was good....

And for any of you who've read it then who do you think RAB is... my guess below

Regulus (...) BlackRAB?

Haven't read it, don't know context :P

You'll fit. :p


won't customs get mad? airport security for that matter. What about going through the x-ray machine? wont you become human toat from the energy cooking your insides?

RAB?

Haven't read it, don't know context :P

Well there's a note left by someone saying that they have one of Voldemorts Horcruxes (where he puts part of his soul) and then not e is signed R.A.B... and it says that he's already dead... so that was my guess

And you should read it, you might like it, I don't know cause I don't know what kind of books you read... :p

Well there's a note left by someone saying that they have one of Voldemorts Horcruxes (where he puts part of his soul) and then not e is signed R.A.B... and it says that he's already dead... so that was my guess

And you should read it, you might like it, I don't know cause I don't know what kind of books you read... :pMost recently I've been reading works by Robert A. Heinlein, Agatha Christie, J.R.R. Tolkien (now I know where Melkor comes from, lol!), and God. :p ((To help in debating I've been looking through the Bible and it's not half bad, you know! This God person writes in a rather antique style, but it's actually good. He should write another book!:p))

I enjoyed them all. You judge.

Most recently I've been reading works by Robert A. Heinlein, Agatha Christie, J.R.R. Tolkien (now I know where Melkor comes from, lol!), and God. :p ((To help in debating I've been looking through the Bible and it's not half bad, you know! This God person writes in a rather antique style, but it's actually good. He should write another book!:p))

I enjoyed them all. You judge.

Well I don't know Robert Heinlein but I like Agatha Christie and Tolkein ( I like Tolkein more) (then again I like most stuff)

And as for God... well yeah you know the whole antique style, lol, I'm Christian so yeah I've read quite alot of the Bible...

Edit: Oh yeah as for whether you'll like it or not... I can't tell from those books... you might... try it and then you can tell me :D

Well I don't know Robert HeinleinSci-fi author, very good, look him up if you like science fiction (warning: some novels rated R) but I like Agatha Christie and Tolkein ( I like Tolkein more) (then again I like most stuff)
Same here. I like mystery, fantasy, science fiction, and mythology a lot. Also historical fiction and drama. Poetry and nonfiction isn't my thing.

And as for God... well yeah you know the whole antique style, lol, I'm Christian so yeah I've read quite alot of the Bible...Yeah, that does make sense. I'm atheist, and am just reading it in order to find out a) why Christianity is such a big deal and b) to reinforce my arguments against fundamentalist conservatives :D

I read it in 3 1/2 hrs too and i came on here with no one to talk too... :( So yeah, but it's all cool cause now there's a thread with lots of people on it... I started mine too early... :rolleyes:
I was here but you went to bead too early... and I needed someone to talk about it to too!

Spaam, or anyone really:

who do you think R.A.B Stands for.

in case anyone is wondering I am Lashie's brother

My theory is it is Regulus Black

That was an independent thought and in no way was influenced

P.S I read the book yesterday afternoon Central Standard Time (South Australia)

My theory is it is Regulus Black

That was an independent thought and in no way was influenced

P.S I read the book yesterday afternoon Central Standard Time (South Australia)
Thats the only I've thought of so far... might do a bit of research later though.

Hey! I said it was Regulus Black!

What not one has commented on and what I'd like to know is: why does the prince have only half-blood? What happened to the other half? Was he in a very bad accident? Did he give blood too many times? Is he hemophiliac or anemic?

Were people going "my, oh my, you look rather pale today" and did he get a transfusion in the end?

Does that mean I'm not the only person in the world to have finished it already by your comment? Or do you mean that the ability to sum it up in one sentence shows how bad it is?
Yes to the second question. I mean, NOTHING HAPPENED. I don't even know why "Half-Blood Prince" is in the title. The only significant thing about the Half-Blood Prince is that he killed Dumbledore.

They might as well have named it "Harry Potter and the Details of Voldemort's Life That I Think I'm Supposed to Care About But I Don't."

And almost every major character or event from OoTP was virtually absent from HBP. Like, Voldemort is "back," but you see him more in any of the first 5 books than in this one.

What not one has commented on and what I'd like to know is: why does the prince have only half-blood? What happened to the other half? Was he in a very bad accident? Did he give blood too many times? Is he hemophiliac or anemic?

Were people going "my, oh my, you look rather pale today" and did he get a transfusion in the end?
That's stupid. Sadly enough, the real reason is just as stupid and pathetic.

So, um, yeah. Can someone please tell me the page where it says/implies that Hermione and Ron are together? I seem to have missed it.

Ron and Hermione are NOT together.

Its called the HBP because thats how Harry got through the year... with the extra potions help and jinxes etc...

And I am the same yet claim the opposite.

Yes, but I was talking about the English people.

If you don't count the US population as english people, then australians certainly aren't.

If you don't count the US population as english people, then australians certainly aren't.
Australian English is much closer to English English than US English.

In any case, I was talking about the English English people I know.

Yup, something of the sort - he was made dada, but that role wasn't prominently played in the book....We could try, but these other damn people keep butting in in full black colour!! lol........Read the book - is not bad! Though slightly too ..... rushed? possibly the word I'm looking for

Making a thread in all hidden words would be awsome!!!

Bump

Australian English is much closer to English English than US English.

In any case, I was talking about the English English people I know.

And, living in Englnd nearly all my life, so was I. You were talking about the few you've met in Australia or whilst on holiday in England, those were probably the English who pronounce words like "what" with an extra "H".

that all makes sence, and whoever said i should read it and find out is a nickenpoop. i would like to read it i would, i have dyslexia and it takes me around 3 minutes to read a page, so next time you tell me to read something think first!!! and like hell i am paying £11.00 for a book. humph can get a simpsons comic for £1.50 so there. *turns back*

CP...I almost envy you in a way. I'm always disappointed when books I like end no matter how long they are. But, I can see where you would become frustrated in trying to puzzle out a jumble of letters. I know they're expensive, but have you thought of reading books on tape or CD's? I subscribe to a audiobook service and get 2 books, including new releases, a month for about $20. Unfortunately, the Harry Potter books aren't available through this service, but most others are. If you are interested in something like this, TG me and I'll send you the link. :D

I got Hbp FOR £8 in Eason's :D

God I love Ireland

And, living in Englnd nearly all my life, so was I. You were talking about the few you've met in Australia or whilst on holiday in England, those were probably the English who pronounce words like "what" with an extra "H".
Or my sister who's been living there her whole life...

Or my sister who's been living there her whole life...

Then she lives somewhere like park lane in london, because there is absoluetely no where else where people say "do not" instead of "don't" except perhaps the BBC.

Then she lives somewhere like park lane in london, because there is absoluetely no where else where people say "do not" instead of "don't" except perhaps the BBC.
Deal. Not far from Canterbury.

Deal. Not far from Canterbury.

Canterbury's a posh place, the exact type of place they DO speak like that.

Canterbury's a posh place, the exact type of place they DO speak like that.
Have you ever BEEN to Canterbury?!

Point is anyway, is that you made a generalisation, and it is wrong. Some people say 'do not' a lot.

Have you ever BEEN to Canterbury?!

Point is anyway, is that you made a generalisation, and it is wrong. Some people say 'do not' a lot.

I actually said people generally don't say "do not" unless they're trying to make a point.

I actually said people generally don't say "do not" unless they're trying to make a point.
And I am saying that a lot of people do even when they're not making a point.

You haven't been to Canterbury, have you?

And I am saying that a lot of people do even when they're not making a point.

You haven't been to Canterbury, have you?

Yes, I have. on several occasions...

Yes, I have. on several occasions...
Then why on earth do you say its a posh place?

Then why on earth do you say its a posh place?

Because it is, comparitively.

Wow, other people who think that R.A.B. is Regulus Black!

Now lets see if I can find any support for my other borderline-psychotic theories. In CoS (I think), Dumbledore mentioned that when Voldemort tried to kill Harry, he transfered some of his powers to him, explaining Harry's ability to speak Parseltongue. This got me thinking. Could Harry be a Horcrux? Dumbledore mentioned that Horcruxes could be animals, and that he suspected Nagini...

Because it is, comparitively.
To what?

To what?

To the people who moved in next door to me. The owner of the vacant lot rented it out. The renters moved in an old, beat to heck trailer, and have proceeded to carefully arrange trash all over their yard. Anything shy of a hillbilly shack has to be posh compared to that!! Zoning code enforcement is in the process of moving them out...shouldn't take more than a year or two.

Now, quit arguing you guys or I'll ask Hermione to zap you.

Oh my God.

I've just finished it, just now, about five minutes ago.

Oh my fucking God.

Oh my God.

I've just finished it, just now, about five minutes ago.

Oh my fucking God.

Is that in a good way or a bad way?

To what?

To the rest of the UK.

Darn high prices! :(

I'll go to Barnes & Noble -- maybe it's less expensive there.

I paid $.62. (In the US) it's $18.99 at Barnes & Noble. I had a store credit and the balance of a gift card (given to me as a Christmas gift!) and after all was said and done, I owed $.62.

Wow, other people who think that R.A.B. is Regulus Black!

Now lets see if I can find any support for my other borderline-psychotic theories. In CoS (I think), Dumbledore mentioned that when Voldemort tried to kill Harry, he transfered some of his powers to him, explaining Harry's ability to speak Parseltongue. This got me thinking. Could Harry be a Horcrux? Dumbledore mentioned that Horcruxes could be animals, and that he suspected Nagini...

Umm...no. Why would Voldemort transfer part of his soul, which he wants to keep safe, to the person most likely to kill him?

Snape killed Dumbledore, but Dumbledore'll be back. The Phoenix rising, and all that. Snape will probably be vindicated in the last book, as keeping his cover. Note he did it, and not one of the other Death Eaters.

I actually said people generally don't say "do not" unless they're trying to make a point.I never say "do not" unless I'm trying to make a point. :)

Umm...no. Why would Voldemort transfer part of his soul, which he wants to keep safe, to the person most likely to kill him?


As a strategy, it isn't as stupid as it sounds. Voldemort is close to immortal while he still has his Horcruxes, and if Harry is the only person to be able to kill him, then he is completely safe as Harry would have to die to destroy the Horcrux and make Voldemort beatable.

As a strategy, it isn't as stupid as it sounds. Voldemort is close to immortal while he still has his Horcruxes, and if Harry is the only person to be able to kill him, then he is completely safe as Harry would have to die to destroy the Horcrux and make Voldemort beatable.or it could be unintentional... as the Slug suggested, every death tears a peice of the soul off... he had just killed Lilly and James so when the spell backfired... a piece of his soul (along with some abilities) went into harry.

Is it just me, or was this book so much worse than the first 5?

I mean, seriously, you just summed up the entire book with that sentence.. "Dumbledore is dead"..
WARNING!!! SPOILERS BELOW





Yes, but looking carefully that's more the editor's fault than the writer. Throughout the book at various points it felt like stuff was missing. The type of stuff I'm talking about is obvious by the end of the book, a notable example is after the final battle. Hermione says something to the effect of it being really good that they had the rest of Harry's luck potion. Yet there had been no mention of that before hand. 10:1 says that before the editors got ahold of the book there had been a section whereby the attack was explained before Harry and Dumbledore got back. There were several other spots that were lacking as well. I would guess the reason for the extensive editing is because a lot of grownups were bitching about how the books were getting too long. Not kids, grownups. Friggin pansies.



Warning!!! Pure speculation follows.



I think Dumbledore was already dying from the poison. I don't think Snape was going to be able to cure him at all. Dumbledore knew this and I bet he knew about Snape's unbreakable vow. Thus, Snape fulfills the unbreakable vow, Draco does not become a killer, and Voldy thinks he's in a much better position than he really is.

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Frankly, I'm rather glad the series is drawing to a close. I thought the books were alright (Yet to read the latest, and may well not), but very overrated. As for the Harry/Ginny thing, I always figured it'd be Harry/Hermione. Meh.

Frankly, I'm rather glad the series is drawing to a close.

You don't escape that easily! After the series wraps up, assuming Harry is still alive, the film company will be putting immense pressure on Rowling to write a series about Harry becoming an Auror and fighting remnant Death Eaters etc.

And thanks, JuNii, for putting in the bit I forgot to say directly. :)

Is that in a good way or a bad way?

...wow. In a good way. Just... wow.

You don't escape that easily! After the series wraps up, assuming Harry is still alive, the film company will be putting immense pressure on Rowling to write a series about Harry becoming an Auror and fighting remnant Death Eaters etc.Oh no!

I think Rowling should kill off Harry in the last book, at the beginning, then the rest of the book is about how everyone else responds to his death and it ends with Voldemort taking over the world, exiling all who oppose him, and making the surviving Death Eaters rulers of different continents. Then Sirius comes back to life (he was never dead in the first place, but he went into hiding, knowing that if Voldemort knew he was alive he would be in great danger, etc. etc.) and promptly gives up his own life to revive Harry, who comes back and kills Voldemort, losing all his magical powers in the process... that would be a good, original plot.

Sadly it'll never happen. :(

Oh no!

I think Rowling should kill off Harry in the last book, at the beginning, then the rest of the book is about how everyone else responds to his death and it ends with Voldemort taking over the world, exiling all who oppose him, and making the surviving Death Eaters rulers of different continents. Then Sirius comes back to life (he was never dead in the first place, but he went into hiding, knowing that if Voldemort knew he was alive he would be in great danger, etc. etc.) and promptly gives up his own life to revive Harry, who comes back and kills Voldemort, losing all his magical powers in the process... that would be a good, original plot.

Sadly it'll never happen. :(while the subject of Sirius' death is speculation (who knows what Curse Beatrix hit him with and thus the results of a live person entering the archway...) Dumbledore needed to die... why? In order for Harry and Vordemort to have it out, Vordemort needs to come out of hiding... the only way to draw him out storywise, is to remove the one wizard who he always feared.... Dumbledore.

while the Idea of Sirius saving Harry is a nice one, we forget two people. Snape (whom, to me, is agonizing over Dumbledore's death) and Peter Pettigrew... who owes Potter his life (PoA) and there is Malfoy... who knows what he'll do now that he knows how evil Vordemort is.

while the subject of Sirius' death is speculation (who knows what Curse Beatrix hit him with and thus the results of a live person entering the archway...) Dumbledore needed to die... why? In order for Harry and Vordemort to have it out, Vordemort needs to come out of hiding... the only way to draw him out storywise, is to remove the one wizard who he always feared.... Dumbledore.I don't care about Dumbledore, he was an important plot device, but he got cumbersome...so he died. Fear the almighty wrath of the Author!

while the Idea of Sirius saving Harry is a nice one, we forget two people. Snape (whom, to me, is agonizing over Dumbledore's death) and Peter Pettigrew... who owes Potter his life (PoA) and there is Malfoy... who knows what he'll do now that he knows how evil Vordemort is.Peter Pettigrew gets killed by Voldemort. Snape dies, perhaps saving Harry from Voldemort. Malfoy chickens out and runs away from Hogwarts, just in time, because the place gets blown up by the Death Eaters. Fortunately, the Order of the Phoenix raises a mighty army of dragons, elves, dancing badgers, and jellyfish and kills Voldy and pals. Only one guy survives, <insert name of Death Eater here> who gets all of V's power and uses it to kill Harry and everyone else in the story before blowing up the planet. :rolleyes:

((That would be a great storyline! :D))

I don't care about Dumbledore, he was an important plot device, but he got cumbersome...so he died. Fear the almighty wrath of the Author!do not mistake me... I never said Dumbydore should return...

Peter Pettigrew gets killed by Voldemort. Snape dies, perhaps saving Harry from Voldemort. Malfoy chickens out and runs away from Hogwarts, just in time, because the place gets blown up by the Death Eaters. Fortunately, the Order of the Phoenix raises a mighty army of dragons, elves, dancing badgers, and jellyfish and kills Voldy and pals. Only one guy survives, <insert name of Death Eater here> who gets all of V's power and uses it to kill Harry and everyone else in the story before blowing up the planet. :rolleyes:some reason... sarcasm really suits you. :D

As for the Death Eater that survives... Timothy Nott...
"They're Back!"
"Not"
"Yes"
"Who's leading them?..."
"Nott!"
"not?"
"Yes, Nott"
"who?"
((That would be a great storyline! :D))ahh... but only you could write it in a way to pull it off... :p

do not mistake me... I never said Dumbydore should return...Nor did I. He shouldn't.

some reason... sarcasm really suits you. :D Ha.

That's only basic sarcasm. You need some more practice. :D

ahh... but only you could write it in a way to pull it off... :pOh, I'm good at that. I can write about silly things with the utmost seriousness. In fact I write short stories, and some of them are really silly mysteries featuring oddball detectives and screwed-up crime scenes. As in

"...and with the flames of anger flaring before his eyes, he didn't quite spring forward, knocking over the lamp and sinking his knife into the heart of his sworn enemy. Instead, he tripped over a small pink bunny that had, for some reason, been lying in his path. Swearing incredulously, he picked himself up to discover, to his horror, that the pink bunny's name was George..."

What not one has commented on and what I'd like to know is: why does the prince have only half-blood? What happened to the other half? Was he in a very bad accident? Did he give blood too many times? Is he hemophiliac or anemic?

Were people going "my, oh my, you look rather pale today" and did he get a transfusion in the end?Half Blood referrs to a Witch/Wizard who has one Muggle parent. Prince is a play on words... a pun so to speak. and one that will be explained if you read the book.

Half Blood referrs to a Witch/Wizard who has one Muggle parent. Prince is a play on words... a pun so to speak. and one that will be explained if you read the book.Obviously s/he hasn't read the whole series yet and doesn't know...it's been mentioned many times before.

If anyone who's read the book is left, who do you think RAB is? I have my own idea, but I want to know what you think.

If this was already covered in this thread, sorry, I skipped to the end because my comp was loading slowly...

Actually, on the subject of good plot endings, what I would like to see would be Harry finding the one way to kill Voldemort. Unfortunately, it would mean that he would have to kill Hermione and Ron. Twisted, moi?

If anyone who's read the book is left, who do you think RAB is? I have my own idea, but I want to know what you think.

If this was already covered in this thread, sorry, I skipped to the end because my comp was loading slowly...

The general consensus in the thread so far is that RAB refers to Regulus Black.

The general consensus in the thread so far is that RAB refers to Regulus Black.

That's who I thought too. So many things point to him.

Actually, on the subject of good plot endings, what I would like to see would be Harry finding the one way to kill Voldemort. Unfortunately, it would mean that he would have to kill Hermione and Ron. Twisted, moi?That would be a great ending. Then the author should leave it at that, and we never find out which choice he makes.

Obviously s/he hasn't read the whole series yet and doesn't know...it's been mentioned many times before.
































i know just wanting to see if we can keep up this hidden text thing going.

i know just wanting to see if we can keep up this hidden text thing going.




































































Very much doubt it, somone's bound to notice...

Very much doubt it, somone's bound to notice...


























Meh. I very much prefered the accident explanation. Will wait for the movie then

well... anyway... all I can say is...

Fred and George rule, love their shop and hope that makes it into the movie.

Meh. I very much prefered the accident explanation. Will wait for the movie then














































Isn't posting these extremely long, nearly blank posts, spamming? Just a thought.

dont know if this has been said as i didnt want to read all 14 pages of religious? stuff. so i think snape only killed dumbledore because he had to (due to binding agreement) maybe he is still secretly working to kill voldemort also the initals R.A.B point to dmbledore (something like reginald albus Deumbledore from other books) so maybe dumbledore had time to destory it or it was destoryed by him earlier and he had that amulet or destroyed by adava kadavra curse. tell me wat u think of these musings as we wont find out for a couple more years (at the rate Jk's writing)

dont know if this has been said as i didnt want to read all 14 pages of religious? stuff. so i think snape only killed dumbledore because he had to (due to binding agreement) maybe he is still secretly working to kill voldemort also the initals R.A.B point to dmbledore (something like reginald albus Deumbledore from other books) so maybe dumbledore had time to destory it or it was destoryed by him earlier and he had that amulet or destroyed by adava kadavra curse. tell me wat u think of these musings as we wont find out for a couple more years (at the rate Jk's writing)
R.A.B. is more likely sirius's brother (Regulus Black) because the letter says: To the Dark Lord I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want to know that it was I who discovered your secret.I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can.I face death in the hope that when you meet your match, you will be mortal once more. R.A.B. Regulus was a Death Eater and it seems only they call Voldemort the "Dark Lord" and he backed out after he found out what it was like to be a Death Eater

dont know if this has been said as i didnt want to read all 14 pages of religious? stuff. so i think snape only killed dumbledore because he had to (due to binding agreement) maybe he is still secretly working to kill voldemort also the initals R.A.B point to dmbledore (something like reginald albus Deumbledore from other books) so maybe dumbledore had time to destory it or it was destoryed by him earlier and he had that amulet or destroyed by adava kadavra curse. tell me wat u think of these musings as we wont find out for a couple more years (at the rate Jk's writing)R.A.B? B for Dumbledore... and if he had the locket, why drink the poison if he knew the locket was fake?

then there is the fact that if Dumbledore was dying from the liquid... Snape also could be putting him out of his misery... Snape seemed overly upset for killing Dumbledore while they ran out.

im 6' 2" or uhhh, 2 meters/metres
i like america 'cause of our celeberties and, uhhh, monuments, and ..... ah, stephen king! the stand is my favorite/favourite book

Mate 2m or 200cm is 6'7".
6'2" is about 188cm. Not trying to offend you, just correcting.
By the way who suggest R.A.B. is Regulus Black?
Never thought of him

im 6' 2" or uhhh, 2 meters/metres
i like america 'cause of our celeberties and, uhhh, monuments, and ..... ah, stephen king! the stand is my favorite/favourite book

Mate 2m or 200cm is 6'7".
6'2" is about 188cm. Not trying to offend you, just correcting.
By the way who suggest R.A.B. is Regulus Black?
Never thought of him

Mate 2m or 200cm is 6'7".
6'2" is about 188cm. Not trying to offend you, just correcting.
By the way who suggest R.A.B. is Regulus Black?
Never thought of himPractically everyone so far... except for one crackpot who thinks it's Dumbledore...

Anyone who doesn't want to know what happens in the latest installment of Harry Potter - Look away now.....anyone else, listen closely....

I have spent the whole day reading Half Blood Prince............

Dumbledore is dead...

Any questions? you idiot that was stpid to soil harry poter

Anyone who doesn't want to know what happens in the latest installment of Harry Potter - Look away now.....anyone else, listen closely....

I have spent the whole day reading Half Blood Prince............

Dumbledore is dead...

Any questions? you idiot that was stupid to spoil harry poter

you idiot that was stupid to spoil harry poter

lol. Use the edit post button if you want to correct your spelling. :)

What's going on? Why is everyone posting twice? Is Jolt doing its thing again? :p

What's going on? Why is everyone posting twice? Is Jolt doing its thing again? :p

Is that why you did that huge nothing post up the page?

Is that why you did that huge nothing post up the page?No, that was part of the mod conspiracy. :rolleyes:

No, that was part of the mod conspiracy. :rolleyes:

I dont get it...

Just finished The book moments before.

I have the following questions:

1.y was Snape so reluctant to kill Potter, even so far as to simply deflect all of Harry's spells, when he could have easily finished off Potter at any time.
Surely, he then says something to the effect of "The Dark Lord wants Potter alive", presumably so Voldy can finish Potter himself, or whatever...

BUT...then, is alarmed when Harry uses one the spells in Snape's old book against him, seemingly concerned for the boy's life.

He even goes so far as to continue instructing Potter, even though his role at Hogwarts is finished, as he flees...making comments as to why his spells were so easily blocked.

2. If Potter does not return to Hogwarts next year, how is he to learn all he can in order to defeat the most powerful Dark Wizard of all time?
Potter is no Auror yet, even though he may excell at "Defense Against the Dark Arts".

The rest is pure conjecture and speculation on my part.

1. Dumbledore isnt dead.
The Phoenix is the tell.
Dumbledore trusted Snape explicitly, although did not mention to anyone why, or what reasons he may have had.
Why?
Becuase he probably put safeguards in place.
I think Snape was already under the "Unbreakable Vow" and it concerns Potter, and Hogwarts specifically.
Dumbledore trusted Snape, not becuase Snape was worthy of that trust, but becuase we is probably incapable of harming Potter, or betraying Dumbledore.

Dumbledore faked his death to pursue the Horcruxes, without risking Hogwarts saftey, and that of its students.
Snape would make the perfect accomplice, due to his skill in Occlumency.

Potter will eventually kill Voldly, and return to Hogwarts as its permanent D.A.DA teacher, and will eventually become the schools Headmaster.

I think that Snape might still be loyal.... think about it, he made a "unbreakable vow" at the beginning of the book. Why would they include that if Snape was on Voldomort's Side anyways?

Just finished The book moments before.

I have the following questions:

1.y was Snape so reluctant to kill Potter, even so far as to simply deflect all of Harry's spells, when he could have easily finished off Potter at any time.
Surely, he then says something to the effect of "The Dark Lord wants Potter alive", presumably so Voldy can finish Potter himself, or whatever...

BUT...then, is alarmed when Harry uses one the spells in Snape's old book against him, seemingly concerned for the boy's life.

He even goes so far as to continue instructing Potter, even though his role at Hogwarts is finished, as he flees...making comments as to why his spells were so easily blocked.

2. If Potter does not return to Hogwarts next year, how is he to learn all he can in order to defeat the most powerful Dark Wizard of all time?
Potter is no Auror yet, even though he may excell at "Defense Against the Dark Arts".

The rest is pure conjecture and speculation on my part.

1. Dumbledore isnt dead.
The Phoenix is the tell.
Dumbledore trusted Snape explicitly, although did not mention to anyone why, or what reasons he may have had.
Why?
Becuase he probably put safeguards in place.
I think Snape was already under the "Unbreakable Vow" and it concerns Potter, and Hogwarts specifically.
Dumbledore trusted Snape, not becuase Snape was worthy of that trust, but becuase we is probably incapable of harming Potter, or betraying Dumbledore.

Dumbledore faked his death to pursue the Horcruxes, without risking Hogwarts saftey, and that of its students.
Snape would make the perfect accomplice, due to his skill in Occlumency.

Potter will eventually kill Voldly, and return to Hogwarts as its permanent D.A.DA teacher, and will eventually become the schools Headmaster.

Dumbledore is dead, mate, of that I am certain.

I think there must be something more to the deal with Snape. I think I believe this because Dumbledore was always portrayed as being almost infallable, and I cannot believe that it is in Dumbledore's charachter to make such an error of judgement. I am convinced that Snape is not fully in allegance with Riddle, even if he is not fighting against him. Perhaps his motives are selfish, perhaps the Half-Blood Prince wants the powers of the Dark Lord...

I dont get it...It's sarcasm, you dolt. You know, the thing I always use? The "Sarcazm Master" part of the siggy? :rolleyes: Mod some people are <text deleted>....

Dumbledore is dead, mate, of that I am certain.

I think there must be something more to the deal with Snape. I think I believe this because Dumbledore was always portrayed as being almost infallable, and I cannot believe that it is in Dumbledore's charachter to make such an error of judgement. I am convinced that Snape is not fully in allegance with Riddle, even if he is not fighting against him. Perhaps his motives are selfish, perhaps the Half-Blood Prince wants the powers of the Dark Lord...


Surely you didnt miss Dumbles connection to Fawkes the Phoenix?
And, not to mention the very long mourning song it sung, or the image of a Pheonix that Harry saw rising from Dumbledores tomb?

Its a clue.
It has to be.

It's sarcasm, you dolt. You know, the thing I always use? The "Sarcazm Master" part of the siggy? :rolleyes: Mod some people are <text deleted>....

*pouts* Pardon me for not being educated in the ways of internet cynicism.

humph!

Surely you didnt miss Dumbles connection to Fawkes the Phoenix?
And, not to mention the very long mourning song it sung, or the image of a Pheonix that Harry saw rising from Dumbledores tomb?

Its a clue.
It has to be.

You make a fair point, perhaps Dumbledore will rise like a Phoenix, but this still seems unlikely to me. The whole book underlined his growing weakness, readying us for the fact that Harry is going to have to do the next book without Albus. It was just written in too well to be a throwaway plot-point.

1.y was Snape so reluctant to kill Potter, even so far as to simply deflect all of Harry's spells, when he could have easily finished off Potter at any time.
Surely, he then says something to the effect of "The Dark Lord wants Potter alive", presumably so Voldy can finish Potter himself, or whatever...

BUT...then, is alarmed when Harry uses one the spells in Snape's old book against him, seemingly concerned for the boy's life.

I didn't get that. In fact, what he seemed to be was very, very angry that "Potter" was using his own spells on him. But then Buckbeak chased him off.

2. If Potter does not return to Hogwarts next year, how is he to learn all he can in order to defeat the most powerful Dark Wizard of all time?
Potter is no Auror yet, even though he may excell at "Defense Against the Dark Arts".

Maybe what he needs to learn isn't taught in schools.

1. Dumbledore isnt dead.
The Phoenix is the tell.

I don't see how the Phoenix is the tell. Meanwhile, Dumbledore's portrait showed up in the headmaster's office. That was the point at which I stopped hoping for a faked death.

Dumbledore trusted Snape explicitly, although did not mention to anyone why, or what reasons he may have had.
Why?
Becuase he probably put safeguards in place.
I think Snape was already under the "Unbreakable Vow" and it concerns Potter, and Hogwarts specifically.

I got the impression that the unbreakable vow is dark magic - and that good wizards don't use it. Thus, Dumbledore never would have expected Snape to take such a vow.

I want Snape to still be a good guy - I really do, but the only way I can figure it is that Dumbledore was perhaps still dieing from the earlier injury, and because of Snape's vow, they planned for Snape to kill him to get a final "in" with the Death Eaters.

*pouts* Pardon me for not being educated in the ways of internet cynicism.

humph!*puts on horn-rimmed glasses*

*sternly* You are right to be ashamed, young man. A lack of education in internet cynicism is a great evil indeed. You must go back to school for four long years to learn how to use sarcasm properly.

*takes off horn-rimmed glasses*

I don't see how the Phoenix is the tell. Meanwhile, Dumbledore's portrait showed up in the headmaster's office. That was the point at which I stopped hoping for a faked death.
Yeah you guys....get over it. Dumbledore is dead and he won't come back, except in an Obi-Wan kind of way as a guiding spirit. Even wizards can't be resurrected, except if another wizard gives up his/her life for the resurrection. That's my theory anyway.

You make a fair point, perhaps Dumbledore will rise like a Phoenix, but this still seems unlikely to me. The whole book underlined his growing weakness, readying us for the fact that Harry is going to have to do the next book without Albus. It was just written in too well to be a throwaway plot-point.


I have to believe that unless Rowling is a heartless monster, that SOME good will eventually come to Potter.
The poor kid has lost nearly everyone dear to him, and now, possibly, the only place hes ever felt at home.

The only two left are Hrmione and Ron, and one of them is likely to bite it as well.

The main thing I got from this intallment was intense pity for Potter.
His parents are dead, his aunt and uncle suck, really bad..
His godfather is dead..
Dumbledore is dead....
Harry may not return to Hogwarts...

and Harry must eventually fight the most powerful dark wizard ever, and according to the prophecy, one of them aint walking out.

How much shit can one kid take?

Eventually..there has to be frickin silver lining for harry..or what the hell was the point?

I didn't get that. In fact, what he seemed to be was very, very angry that "Potter" was using his own spells on him. But then Buckbeak chased him off.



Maybe what he needs to learn isn't taught in schools.



I don't see how the Phoenix is the tell. Meanwhile, Dumbledore's portrait showed up in the headmaster's office. That was the point at which I stopped hoping for a faked death.



I got the impression that the unbreakable vow is dark magic - and that good wizards don't use it. Thus, Dumbledore never would have expected Snape to take such a vow.

I want Snape to still be a good guy - I really do, but the only way I can figure it is that Dumbledore was perhaps still dieing from the earlier injury, and because of Snape's vow, they planned for Snape to kill him to get a final "in" with the Death Eaters.

The "Unbreakable Vow" isnt dark magic...the book never mentions that, in fact, Ron weasley knew something about it when his older brothers tried to make him take one when he was five.

as for the Phoenix, thats forshadowing if I ever saw it.
Its symbology all the way.

I have to believe that unless Rowling is a heartless monster, that SOME good will eventually come to Potter.
The poor kid has lost nearly everyone dear to him, and now, possibly, the only place hes ever felt at home.

The only two left are Hrmione and Ron, and one of them is likely to bite it as well.

The main thing I got from this intallment was intense pity for Potter.
His parents are dead, his aunt and uncle suck, really bad..
His godfather is dead..
Dumbledore is dead....
Harry may not return to Hogwarts...

and Harry must eventually fight the most powerful dark wizard ever, and according to the prophecy, one of them aint walking out.

How much shit can one kid take?

Eventually..there has to be frickin silver lining for harry..or what the hell was the point?Hell, there's no silver lining in life. Not that HP's realistic, but I suspect Harry'll take a whole lot more shit before it gets better. If it gets better at all. It'll probably be the sort of series that ends with a quest and more fun that'll never be written up, because Rowling will die of overexertion. :D

The "Unbreakable Vow" isnt dark magic...the book never mentions that, in fact, Ron weasley knew something about it when his older brothers tried to make him take one when he was five.

It doesn't specifically say that it is dark magic, but it certainly suggests it. It obviously isn't like an unforgivable curse - but it's certainly along those lines.

And, if you read what Ron said, his father had a cow when he saw Ron's brothers trying to get him to take one. He didn't just sit back and go "Alright boys, have fun."

Remember that the vow comes down to "Do it or die." I wouldn't exactly call that good magic.

as for the Phoenix, thats forshadowing if I ever saw it.
Its symbology all the way.

Yes, but foreshadowing of what? Perhaps Fawkes will still help. Perhaps Fawkes will become Harry's guide instead of Dumbledore.

Or, since Fawkes has always had such a connection to Dumbledore, maybe it isn't foreshadowing at all. Maybe it is just Fawkes mourning, same as everyone else.

It doesn't specifically say that it is dark magic, but it certainly suggests it. It obviously isn't like an unforgivable curse - but it's certainly along those lines.

And, if you read what Ron said, his father had a cow when he saw Ron's brothers trying to get him to take one. He didn't just sit back and go "Alright boys, have fun."

Remember that the vow comes down to "Do it or die." I wouldn't exactly call that good magic.






Thats the thing, we dont know what happens if you break the vow, and neither did Ron.
Its never fully mentioned.
As for it being dark magic....how on earth would Fred and George have learned it at such young ages?

Sure, Mr. Weasly goes ballistic when he catches them, but if you caught your kids playing with an unloaded gun, wouldnt you freak out too?

As for Fawkes...Harry sees an image of a pheonix rise from the tomb of Dumbledore...thats the clincher...I dont really believe hes dead, or at least, permanently.

Thats the thing, we dont know what happens if you break the vow, and neither did Ron.
Its never fully mentioned.

Wrong. The book *very* clearly states that the penalty for breaking the unbreakable vow is death. You do what you say you will do, or you die.

As for it being dark magic....how on earth would Fred and George have learned it at such young ages?

Why does everyone but Harry know about the unforgiveable curses before he gets there? Things like this are going to be known.

Sure, Mr. Weasly goes ballistic when he catches them, but if you caught your kids playing with an unloaded gun, wouldnt you freak out too?

Unloaded? More like one of my kids pointing a loaded gun at the other and telling to them to do something or get shot. And yes, I would freak out.

As for Fawkes...Harry sees an image of a pheonix rise from the tomb of Dumbledore...thats the clincher...I dont really believe hes dead, or at least, permanently.

...and is unsure if it might just be Fawkes flying through the fire. You can interpret it as a phoenix rising from the tomb, but that's really only one way of looking at it.

People, Dumbledore is dead. face it:

1. He got a killing curse straight in his chest.
2. He also fell off the highest tower of Hogwarts

But still, it's very sad and I agree with the guy (or gall) of a few posts back. Harry seems to have a rotten life, parents dead, stuck with his terrible family for ten years, guardian dead, saw his headmaster and a fellow school pupil die...the ultimate climax would be if Ron or Hermione or both die.

And I still think Harry will return to Hogwarts, even if it's threatened to be closed (or is it really closed?). I mean, he doesn't know all the stuff you need to know. Maybe Lupin or Moody can teach him a few things...

Wrong. The book *very* clearly states that the penalty for breaking the unbreakable vow is death. You do what you say you will do, or you die.

I remember Ron speculating about it, but I dont remember anywhere that confirms that suspicion.
If I am mistaken, provide a page number.

Why does everyone but Harry know about the unforgiveable curses before he gets there? Things like this are going to be known.

Sure.
But not by boys who would have been eight years old at the time.
Certainly, they wouldnt have known how to cast the spell needed for it.
Not if was truly dark magic.
It probably depends on the conditions set when the spell is cast.

People, Dumbledore is dead. face it:

1. He got a killing curse straight in his chest.
2. He also fell off the highest tower of Hogwarts

..


1. He was also one of, if not the most powerful wizards alive, or ever to have lived.
If anyone could have found a way around such a spell, it would be him.

2.Harry has fallen off a speeding broom high above the quidditch fields, and suffered a broken arm.

1. He was also one of, if not the most powerful wizards alive, or ever to have lived.
If anyone could have found a way around such a spell, it would be him.

2.Harry has fallen off a speeding broom high above the quidditch fields, and suffered a broken arm.

1. The only person who has survived Avada Kadavra was Harry (and in my opinion, Voldemort who got the full reflected blast but continued to live. We now know how :D )

2. Harry was slowed down on that occasion by Dumbledore. And the tower is a bit higher I think.

People, Dumbledore is dead. face it:

1. He got a killing curse straight in his chest.
2. He also fell off the highest tower of Hogwarts

But still, it's very sad and I agree with the guy (or gall) of a few posts back. Harry seems to have a rotten life, parents dead, stuck with his terrible family for ten years, guardian dead, saw his headmaster and a fellow school pupil die...the ultimate climax would be if Ron or Hermione or both die.

And I still think Harry will return to Hogwarts, even if it's threatened to be closed (or is it really closed?). I mean, he doesn't know all the stuff you need to know. Maybe Lupin or Moody can teach him a few things...

Heard of Horcruxes anyone? Perhaps the phoenix IS one....we know that they are very close (dumbledore and Fawxe)....have you ever thought that perhaps Dumbledore poured part of himself into Fawxe? It's possible, I mean he may have found a way to do it when HE, and not another person, dies....there are sooo many ways that Dumbledore can come back - one of which is that he never went away. On the other hand I personally think that if JK gets him back, then she definitely isn't the good author so many people (guilible people) think she is.

Heard of Horcruxes anyone? Perhaps the phoenix IS one....we know that they are very close (dumbledore and Fawxe)....have you ever thought that perhaps Dumbledore poured part of himself into Fawxe? It's possible, I mean he may have found a way to do it when HE, and not another person, dies....there are sooo many ways that Dumbledore can come back - one of which is that he never went away. On the other hand I personally think that if JK gets him back, then she definitely isn't the good author so many people (guilible people) think she is.

That sounds pretty unlogical, but also cheesy. To make a Horcrux you need to kill someone and capture part of your soul with a spell. Dumbledore would never kill someone on purpose. Not even Voldemort.

That sounds pretty unlogical, but also cheesy. To make a Horcrux you need to kill someone and capture part of your soul with a spell. Dumbledore would never kill someone on purpose. Not even Voldemort.
Like I said, he found a way to do it with his own death.....christ, maybe he even has a phoenix in his family history.....(Fleur delacore and the Veela - not a human race, so it's poss with phoenix's too)

1. The only person who has survived Avada Kadavra was Harry (and in my opinion, Voldemort who got the full reflected blast but continued to live. We now know how :D )

2. Harry was slowed down on that occasion by Dumbledore. And the tower is a bit higher I think.

The point is..possibilities are abound.

Like I said, he found a way to do it with his own death.....christ, maybe he even has a phoenix in his family history.....(Fleur delacore and the Veela - not a human race, so it's poss with phoenix's too)

:eek:
That would be very...iew!

Phoenix=bird
Veela=is a human specie which can transform into evil fire spitting eagles :D

:eek:
That would be very...iew!

Phoenix=bird
Veela=is a human specie which can transform into evil fire spitting eagles :D

But what do you truly know about phoenix's? Certianly the phoenix of JK's imagination - besides, the horcruxes one is more likely.

On the other hand I personally think that if JK gets him back, then she definitely isn't the good author so many people (guilible people) think she is.

Forgive me, but that statement is one of a pretentious asswipe, and nothing like other posts from you that I have read.

What pray tell, is your definition of a "good author"?

Shes written a charming series of stories that adults and children alike enjoy.

It continues to outsell the bible....

Is she Shakespeare? or Longfellow?
No..but she isnt trying to be either.

So..by saying that "gullible people" believe her to be a good author...is absurd.

Forgive me, but that statement is one of a pretentious asswipe, and nothing like other posts from you that I have read.

What pray tell, is your definition of a "good author"?

Shes written a charming series of stories that adults and children alike enjoy.

It continues to outsell the bible....

Is she Shakespeare? or Longfellow?
No..but she isnt trying to be either.

So..by saying that "gullible people" believe her to be a good author...is absurd.

What? Nothing like the other posts? I have always said that she is a good childrens author, but terrible adult author. Always.

I don't think Dumbledore is stupid enough to be hoodwinked into being killed by Snape.

My own theory is this:

Snape didn't really kill Dumbledore, the Avada Kedavra spell was purposefully not cast correctly - or Snape did something to ensure that Dumbledore would survive. Dumbledore needed to make it appear to the Death Eaters that he was dead, and that Snape was loyal to Voldemort, so that he [Dumbledore] can continue to fight against Voldemort in other ways - who knows?

I can't imagine Dumbledore being dead.

I can't imagine Dumbledore being dead.
Too late, let's face it, he's dead....but he MAY come back.

But what do you truly know about phoenix's? Certianly the phoenix of JK's imagination - besides, the horcruxes one is more likely.Yeah, since she's the author she can make up any crap she wants. :rolleyes:

What? Nothing like the other posts? I have always said that she is a good childrens author, but terrible adult author. Always.


I meant that in other posts of yours that Ive read, youve never said anything quite so foolish.

so, whats your defintion of a good author then?

Yeah, since she's the author she can make up any crap she wants. :rolleyes:

true - i love authors making up crap that noone expects!! lol

I don't think Dumbledore is stupid enough to be hoodwinked into being killed by Snape.

My own theory is this:

Snape didn't really kill Dumbledore, the Avada Kedavra spell was purposefully not cast correctly - or Snape did something to ensure that Dumbledore would survive. Dumbledore needed to make it appear to the Death Eaters that he was dead, and that Snape was loyal to Voldemort, so that he [Dumbledore] can continue to fight against Voldemort in other ways - who knows?

I can't imagine Dumbledore being dead.

My sentiments exactly.

If the Death Eaters think him gone, and his responsibility to Hogwarts not tying him down, he is free to pursue the other horcruxes, or whatever he needs to do.
and like you mentioned, it also lends credibility to Snapes deception.

Too late, let's face it, he's dead....but he MAY come back.He won't, as a corporeal personality...except for perhaps the Sherlock Holmes moment at the end of the last book, when all is explained to us mortals. (Well, I'm not a mortal...but you are, so :P.) ;)

I meant that in other posts of yours that Ive read, youve never said anything quite so foolish.

so, whats your defintion of a good author then?

Someone who doesn't surrender to every whim of the reader, and to Hollywood.

Think about it, in the beginning she said that there was no way that ron and hermione were going to get together, now, hang on, are they on the verge of getting together? Hmm......People always snape would end up killing someone....hello, what's happened now? etc etc etc....

I don't think Dumbledore is stupid enough to be hoodwinked into being killed by Snape.

My own theory is this:

Snape didn't really kill Dumbledore, the Avada Kedavra spell was purposefully not cast correctly - or Snape did something to ensure that Dumbledore would survive. Dumbledore needed to make it appear to the Death Eaters that he was dead, and that Snape was loyal to Voldemort, so that he [Dumbledore] can continue to fight against Voldemort in other ways - who knows?

I can't imagine Dumbledore being dead.unlikely... for if a spell was mis-cast, it probably wouldn't work... and even if it did, the fall from the tower would've killed him anyway.

but then again, we are assuming that the potion in the basin holding the locket was indeed poison. who knows what that liquid truly was. And the way she described Snape after the D died, I think he knew Dumbledore was dying and that there was nothing he (Snape) could do other than put Dumbledore out of his misery.

the point is if you do not believe dumbledore is dead then you are in denial. Ron and Hermione will end up together but i think Ron will die and Hermione will admit her feelings toward Harry. Harry will end up leaving her behind to go and find the last two pieces of Voldermort soul, Nagini and Voldermort himself. Harry will kill Nagini but will get bitten in the leg or somewhere else that will make it harder for him to face Voldermort. Then Harry will find Voldermort sitting in some kind of chair. They will have that big good guy bad guy talk that every story has happen in the end. Harry will manage to kill Voldermort but he will be hurt and one of the Death Eaters will kill him. I do not really have any thoughts on Snape or Malfoy because I never really liked them and can not come up with a theory on them

unlikely... for if a spell was mis-cast, it probably wouldn't work... and even if it did, the fall from the tower would've killed him anyway.

but then again, we are assuming that the potion in the basin holding the locket was indeed poison. who knows what that liquid truly was. And the way she described Snape after the D died, I think he knew Dumbledore was dying and that there was nothing he (Snape) could do other than put Dumbledore out of his misery.

Perhaps, in fact someone had come up with a way to avoid the adava kedavra curse killing you in the form of a potion - I personally wouldn't put it past ddore to know this and to have planted that necklace thing himself, with the potion in the same way!!

Someone who doesn't surrender to every whim of the reader, and to Hollywood.

Think about it, in the beginning she said that there was no way that ron and hermione were going to get together, now, hang on, are they on the verge of getting together? Hmm......People always snape would end up killing someone....hello, what's happened now? etc etc etc....

I think youre confusing what the author has said, wich has been very little, and random speculation from her readers.

I dont recall ever hearing anything about Ron and Hermione from the author, nor anything about Snapes murderous intents.

I consider an author to be a good one, if he or she writes an entertaining story, wich, even you cannot deny she has done.

Forgive me, but that statement is one of a pretentious asswipe, and nothing like other posts from you that I have read.

What pray tell, is your definition of a "good author"?

Shes written a charming series of stories that adults and children alike enjoy.

It continues to outsell the bible....

Is she Shakespeare? or Longfellow?
No..but she isnt trying to be either.


It's worth noting that Shakespeare was probably not unlike JKR. We find his plays extraordinary now, but at the time that he wrote them, they were the equivalent of a low-budget Hollywood production. He wrote for the uneducated masses - that's why there's so much sex and violence in his plays. He was a populist playwrite, and there's nothing wrong with that.

If you want to look at JKR from an extremely pretentious perspective, she's not a very good writer. However, she's managed to get millions of people buying her books, and people are still excited when she releases one. When you (grandparent of this post) manage to write a book that captures the minds and imaginations of so many people, then maybe I'll hear what you have to say about her being a 'terrible' writer. Her books are entertainment, not high art.

the point is if you do not believe dumbledore is dead then you are in denial. Ron and Hermione will end up together but i think Ron will die and Hermione will admit her feelings toward Harry. Harry will end up leaving her behind to go and find the last two pieces of Voldermort soul, Nagini and Voldermort himself. Harry will kill Nagini but will get bitten in the leg or somewhere else that will make it harder for him to face Voldermort. Then Harry will find Voldermort sitting in some kind of chair. They will have that big good guy bad guy talk that every story has happen in the end. Harry will manage to kill Voldermort but he will be hurt and one of the Death Eaters will kill him. I do not really have any thoughts on Snape or Malfoy because I never really liked them and can not come up with a theory on them


You know what? If you're going to go that far...why not go so far as to say that, in fact, harry turns to the bad side (dark side) star wars styley!! I mean, think of the possibilities!!

*light saber sound as ron and harry duel with wands*

Harry: I have joined my master now you join us or die!!
Ron: Never!! I will be noone's slave!!
Harry: Then you will die!!

*light saber sound cutting through something*

Harry: Ah! No!! Hermione!! I am slain!!
Hermione: I was always better than you Harry!!
Voldermort (who has just apparated next to his dying son - yes, harry is really his son): NOOOOOOOooooooo!! The only thing I have ever loved!!

*Another lightsaber sound as Voldermort stabs himself with his wand*

Ron: Now that's what I call end of an era!!
Hermione: Oh Ron, marry me!!
Ron: *goes red* No, nonononononoooo, I have faced evil dragons, spiders and a dark lord, this is one thing I can't face!! *runs away screaming*
Hermione: Ah well, Harry it is then - what's that spell? Oh yes....Inferi!!

*swish of wand and Harry rises - curtains fall - Harry Potter 7: Hermione's Fall, ends.*

I think youre confusing what the author has said, wich has been very little, and random speculation from her readers.

I dont recall ever hearing anything about Ron and Hermione from the author, nor anything about Snapes murderous intents.

I consider an author to be a good one, if he or she writes an entertaining story, wich, even you cannot deny she has done.

Admittedly it was entertaining, but through most of it, it was cringingly bad and embarassing!!

Face it, Snapes evil. When you finnally believed you can trust him, he does it

Admittedly it was entertaining, but through most of it, it was cringingly bad and embarassing!!


I hate to be a bastard..but if your entertained by cringingly bad, and embarrassing books....what does that say about your tastes in literature?

I hate to be a bastard..but if your entertained by cringingly bad, and embarrassing books....what does that say about your tastes in literature?

My tastes in literature are crap, which is why I read Shakespeare, Austen and Adams...

My tastes in literature are crap, which is why I read Shakespeare, Austen and Adams...


Douglas Adams?

Douglas Adams?

Yep, quite possibly the best author to have ever lived.

Yep, quite possibly the best author to have ever lived.


I dont know about that..but I havent read anything by him that I would call "crap".

I dont know about that..but I havent read anything by him that I would call "crap".

Yep, I know.....which is what I was trying to tell you about my taste in literature - it's actually quite good.

i just read the book...

snogging?? rofl! never heard that term before, but i know it means making out.

i can tell this is written for younger people...

overall a pretty worthy sequel to OotP

i just read the book...

snogging?? rofl! never heard that term before, but i know it means making out.

i can tell this is written for younger people...

overall a pretty worthy sequel to OotP

Worthy? What planet are you living on?

Worthy? What planet are you living on?It's not my fault!! He wanted to see Aurora, apparently he'd never been to a foreign planet! And like a fool....

i just read the book...

snogging?? rofl! never heard that term before, but i know it means making out.

i can tell this is written for younger people...

overall a pretty worthy sequel to OotP
silly foreign words, snogging sounds like the epitome of stupid words, and I have made a habit of making up words

Yes, he is dead, but the book was still great!

Worthy? What planet are you living on?

what? you expected more depth from a harry potter book? hahaha, its a kids book, remember that, that gives the author/editor an excuse to leave small bits and pieces undone.



Mate 2m or 200cm is 6'7".
6'2" is about 188cm. Not trying to offend you, just correcting.
By the way who suggest R.A.B. is Regulus Black?
Never thought of him

lol, i need to brush up on the metric system, 6'7" is a bit freekishly tall



WARNING!!! SPOILERS BELOW





Yes, but looking carefully that's more the editor's fault than the writer. Throughout the book at various points it felt like stuff was missing. The type of stuff I'm talking about is obvious by the end of the book, a notable example is after the final battle. Hermione says something to the effect of it being really good that they had the rest of Harry's luck potion. Yet there had been no mention of that before hand. 10:1 says that before the editors got ahold of the book there had been a section whereby the attack was explained before Harry and Dumbledore got back. There were several other spots that were lacking as well. I would guess the reason for the extensive editing is because a lot of grownups were bitching about how the books were getting too long. Not kids, grownups. Friggin pansies.



Warning!!! Pure speculation follows.



I think Dumbledore was already dying from the poison. I don't think Snape was going to be able to cure him at all. Dumbledore knew this and I bet he knew about Snape's unbreakable vow. Thus, Snape fulfills the unbreakable vow, Draco does not become a killer, and Voldy thinks he's in a much better position than he really is.


Harry gives Ron and Hermione the potion before he leaves with Dumbledore, in the sock, and he tells them to round up D.A. members.
several posts on here say that they have never heard of something in the series and/or book, but they are there. Read the book again, knowing what you know now.



did i miss anything?

No Germanic i think you got all the stuff i wanted answered (though i didnt care about the metric thing)

http://www.idrewthis.org/index.html
I think that will sum it up (sorry I can't get a constant archive link until next update it looks like)

I frankly was quite perterbed by the whoe 'Harry knows best' attitude of the story. Snape as a bad guy was just too obvious. Suspiciously obvious.

I also wanted to see Harry torment Malfoy more this book. Now if there were a love interest they were both competing for....

I frankly was quite perterbed by the whoe 'Harry knows best' attitude of the story. Snape as a bad guy was just too obvious. Suspiciously obvious.

I also wanted to see Harry torment Malfoy more this book. Now if there were a love interest they were both competing for....

Each other possibly...? Maybe JK's next step is for the Gay issue? Hmm, that would actually make a lot of sense..... *thoughtfully walks off set: curtains fall*

Ok, I've just read through all the pages of this since I last posted.... took me a while, but there's a lot of crazy ideas out there.

Personally I think Dumbledore is gone. Dead, as in not coming back. I may be wrong but I don't think I am (funny that).

Malfoy's going to be in the next book a bit more i reckon. He may even turn out good, maybe that's just blind hope... like I had for Snape... oh yeah, onto Snape. I don't really think he's going to pull through and turn out good. I did, but not anymore. He may have some good parts in him that are stopping him from killing Harry or he might just be following Voldemorts instructions.

Ron and Hermione... uh, wasn't it obvious through the whole book they were going to be together and whoever was asking what page it's 603 and although it doesn't say it explicitly, use your mind... :rolleyes:

Mazalandia, I suggested Regulus Black and so did some others...

snogging, funny word, that was one thing i didn't like about the book, it sounded unnatural, no teenager says snogging... atleast not in Australia anyway.

Oh and I have another point:

Who else found this line really weird "I am not worried, Harry. I am with you" (Dumbledore)

I actually read it twice the first time reading through the book, which id=s weird for me. I'm struggling to find an opinion of it, it just keeps sticking in my mind for some reason and I thought you'd all like to know :D

Oh and I have another point:

Who else found this line really weird "I am not worried, Harry. I am with you" (Dumbledore)

I actually read it twice the first time reading through the book, which id=s weird for me. I'm struggling to find an opinion of it, it just keeps sticking in my mind for some reason and I thought you'd all like to know :D
Yeah... I think it means that he believes harry can take care of him.

Ron and Hermione still haven't admitted their feelings. So they're not together. But at the same time they're SOOO gonna end up together.

I hope we see more Harry/Ginny action next book :p

Snape will redeem himself. Die, but redeem. Draco prolly won't turn out good, but he's just a kid trying to look all badass...

Dumbledore won't come back. Which is kinda a good thing.

And I say snog :p

snogging, funny word, that was one thing i didn't like about the book, it sounded unnatural, no teenager says snogging... atleast not in Australia anyway.Lol, it's set in Britain, that's why they use it at all.... British slang you know...

Yup, "snog" is a proper English word, as is "fug" (it's not a typo of "fog") though it is used less often.

Dumbledore is dead...

Yawn. If there was anything blatant from the very first book, that was it.

Although, the ending where he doesn't die, saves the day, and the main characters just sit around doing nothing, would probably be no less boring than books 4-6 have been.

Dumbledore is dead

Everyone here seems very sure about that, whereas in another group they are convinced it's all a big hoax, Dumbledore faxed his own death (possibly by using the Phoenix as a horcrux - his patronus is a Phoenix, so he really should rise from the "dead" in book 7) and planted that locket.

I seem to be in the minority here in that I found this one rather good. I agree that it all seemed a bit "rushed", but the narrative itself was entertaining, I laughed out loud at several lines, some of my hopes were doused, others ignited. Not only that, I'm enjoying seeing how J.K. subtly makes each book more mature than the last, the book grows up with it's readers.

I still can't believe she used the word "slut" though, that's going to cop her some flack from parents.

Everyone here seems very sure about that, whereas in another group they are convinced it's all a big hoax, Dumbledore faxed his own death (possibly by using the Phoenix as a horcrux - his patronus is a Phoenix, so he really should rise from the "dead" in book 7) and planted that locket.
if he created a Horcrux... how did he tear his soul. remember, the only way mentioned was to commit a murder.

but an idea just hit me.

what did he say in CoS and OotP? something about, "he will never truly be gone unless everyone in Hogswort stopped trusting him?"

Could he have made the entire school his Horcrux?

if he created a Horcrux... how did he tear his soul. remember, the only way mentioned was to commit a murder.

but an idea just hit me.

what did he say in CoS and OotP? something about, "he will never truly be gone unless everyone in Hogswort stopped trusting him?"

Could he have made the entire school his Horcrux?

So he murdered the whole school then did he?

So he murdered the whole school then did he?
Doesn't have to murder the whole school. but thinking about it, he could've felt responsible about moaning Myrtle's death enough to fragment his soul. and if held his responsiblities in that reguard to protect the furture students... he could've very well used that death to create a horcrux of the entire school.

after all, In CoS, Riddle's diary eventually obtained solid form and interacted with Harry Potter... so what if Dumbledore did the same thing?

Farfetched but possible.

Doesn't have to murder the whole school. but thinking about it, he could've felt responsible about moaning Myrtle's death enough to fragment his soul. and if held his responsiblities in that reguard to protect the furture students... he could've very well used that death to create a horcrux of the entire school.

after all, In CoS, Riddle's diary eventually obtained solid form and interacted with Harry Potter... so what if Dumbledore did the same thing?

Farfetched but possible.

If I was going to go that far, I'd say that the death of his hand would've been enough - remember how JK kept saying how it looked like his hand was dead...?

Oh and I have another point:

Who else found this line really weird "I am not worried, Harry. I am with you" (Dumbledore)

I actually read it twice the first time reading through the book, which id=s weird for me. I'm struggling to find an opinion of it, it just keeps sticking in my mind for some reason and I thought you'd all like to know :D

Hey, just a thought - perhaps Harry is Ddores horcruxe? Or perhaps Ddore is Harry's?? Does it actually say anywhere that the person who has the horcruxe has to have commited the murder? ~I don't think so - it just says a murder has to be committed...