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Curious, where did you find the word LIMBO in the bible?

From the lost book of Marley, Chapter 7, verse 12:

"and thus Jesus did win the Limbo contest, smiting his enemies with the vanquished Limbo pole"

:D

God didn't change his mind, the Christians are just greedy for more people.

God didn't change his mind, the Christians are just greedy for more people.

Nah, they actually want to kid themselves that heaven is all for them. that it is an elite club where only those who exactly agree with them will gather for all of eternity.

They are so afraid of people who have slightly different beliefs that they invented this exclusive, members-only club where no one can challenge their shallow, unquestioned faith.

Especially those upstart women, who should realize they are lowly, worthless creatures unable to do anything right unless they do what the men tell them to do.

Im serious, if heaven is set up according to the Bible teachings of God's laws, i dont think it sounds like anyplace i would want to live. Especially for all eternity.

And i know im gonna take some flack about the 'white' comment, but take a look at the leadership of the vast majority of christian churches. Even the catholic church, which ministers to faithful of all colors, in the last 1500 years anyway, has only ever been led by a white man.

Welp, you see, one must believe in order to be saved.... so Jesus says in John 3:16 and Paul corroborates in Romans 10:9-10... so if you're not old enough to be able to hold any beliefs, you are His... because he also said this:
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Matthew 19: 13-14
13Then little children were brought to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked those who brought them.
14Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
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Jesus would not send little kids to hell... certainly not when they're not old enough to make the decision to follow him and be saved.

Human life is short, and eternity is, obviously, forever. In fact, compared to eternity, the length of time you actually spend alive on earth, no matter what age you live to, is infinitely small. So, according to you, the absolute best thing that could have happened to me would have been if I'd died around age 2, before I grew up, used that God-given free will to think about things and said, 'This religion stuff: it's all a load of balls, isn't it?' Even if I live to be 100, those extra 98 years alive are literally as nothing compared to an infinite amount of time either in heaven (as an innocent child) or in hell (as an incredulous and rapidly ageing rationalist).

Should devout Christian parents start murdering their own children, to avoid the risk of them growing up, sinning and going to hell? It would condemn the parent to hell (probably -- various other posters have seemed to imply that the worst sins can be worked off with enough faith). But, to ensure that one's child got to spend an eternity in bliss, wouldn't risking one's own immortal soul to achieve this be in fact a near-ultimate act of love?

Or should they merely encourage their infants to play dangerous games, like "chase the trucks", "hunt the loaded handgun", or "pass the Bengal tiger"? It's got to be better than letting them run the risk of hell, right? Are you willing to let your children, or indeed other people's children, take that gamble?

Or maybe -- just maybe -- the whole idea of a judgemental God is as ridiculous as it is offensive.

fall to your knees

beg his forgiveness for your sins

realize that you are not worthy of Him

ask him to come into your heart/life

seek his will and try to do it

If we were not worthy of god, he would not bother with us at all. He certainly wouldn't have sent his son to save us, in the Christian tradition. Obviously, we are worthy.

Nice set of useless instructions, though. Almost as good as the ones that came with my DVD player.

Here's a question, why would God create Adam and Eve perfectly knowing that they would eat the Apple. Then turn around an punish them and therefore trillions of babies and other ignorant people.

And also most people accept the fact that it is wrong to be punished for your parents sins. When we hear about a boy serving out his father's life sentence, we think its wrong, yet Christians accept the same thing on a day to day basis.

"A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD." -Deuteronomy 23:2

why am i not worthy of *your* god, he is not worthy of me.

I hate the whole concept of Gods and Mortals. You would think as advanced as Human civilisation is, we would have got past the fairy tale lies of wow thats unexplainable with science currently, yeah some god did it.

It happened throughout history, your christian god Jehova is no different from Zeus, Hera and the ancients.

I am a human, im proud of that, i will live my life to better my life and the lives of my fellow man. I will not break the laws set up by my country (men) and i will live a good life and hopefully have children and die at a old age far from now.

Im not going to worship, and get on my knee's to something that no one can prove exists and even if it did exist? I am my own God, i am my own saviour, i am my own person and no Deity can take that away from me.

Also, even if he does exist, i would rather spend eternity in "hell" than bow down to some being who doesn't deserve worship at all, let alone mine.

I will die a proud Agnostic/Atheist person who believes in science, and i predict when i die, it will be a forever sleep... simply nothing after it.

And i counter this with: Real belief in the principles of Tao and a real perseverence to follow the Taoist teachings can turn the most evil person you can imagine...can turn their life around.

Or this: Real belief in Allah and a real perseverence to follow his teachings can turn the most evil person you can imagine,...can turn their life around.

Or this: Real belief in Him (jesus) and a real perseverance to follow his teaching can turn the most docile person into the most damning, judgemental person around.


It really bothers me that Christians think they have a corner on the Goodness market.

i did not say, nor did I attempt to portray, that only Christianity can do this for someone.

If we were not worthy of god, he would not bother with us at all. He certainly wouldn't have sent his son to save us, in the Christian tradition. Obviously, we are worthy.

Nice set of useless instructions, though. Almost as good as the ones that came with my DVD player.

we aren't worthy of Jesus, but God had mercy on us and gave us a way out, a way to be saved from our sins, anyway.

the instructions aren't useless... it's one way to be saved, according to Christianity. I'm glad you took the time out of your day to mock my religion, though. If you don't want to believe, fine, but don't mock those who do. We'll find out who was right when we die.

we aren't worthy of Jesus, but God had mercy on us and gave us a way out, a way to be saved from our sins, anyway.
Yea he wont directly help us in anyway and yet he sends his son to die.... yea we've got a real genius here.


the instructions aren't useless... it's one way to be saved, according to Christianity. I'm glad you took the time out of your day to mock my religion, though. If you don't want to believe, fine, but don't mock those who do. We'll find out who was right when we die.
Yea you have a what 1 in however many religions there are chance of being right you know. So the odds really arent in anyones favor.

Another problem i have with Christianity.. no not Christianity Religion in general

Who is right? is it done by numbers? if thats the case Christianity is number 2 so god and heaven/hell isn't right

is it done by who has the most faith? who follows the teachings closest? in that case Christianity isn't even close to number 1. again wont be right

surely only 1 can be right, if it is Christianity, then all pagans, muslims, jews, buddists have all got a 1 way ticket straight to hell

in the bible all sins are the same. No one is worse. Stealing money and killing ppl are each a sin. Lieing and sex before marriage are each a sin. Some have worse consequences than others but they are all sins.Every1 can be saved through christ. When Jesus was on the cross he let the murderer on the cross next to him be saved. All sins are bad. As long as we trust jesus we can be saved. i hope this helps. :)

I kind of like what C.S. Lewis wrote about it. That a person could pray to the 'wrong' God all of their life, and yet, still be praying to the 'right' god if their intent was honest, their repentance pure and their desire for God all encompassing, so that when they prayed, God heard them... :D

Of course, you could also spend all of your life praying to the 'right' God, but if you never really repented and you didn't want anything to do with God himself, thus, your prayers were never really to him, but prayers to the 'wrong' god (s). :eek:

There is only one way to God, there is only one salvation. Seek and you shall find huh? :cool:

I kind of like what C.S. Lewis wrote about it. That a person could pray to the 'wrong' God all of their life, and yet, still be praying to the 'right' god if their intent was honest, their repentance pure and their desire for God all encompassing, so that when they prayed, God heard them... :D

Of course, you could also spend all of your life praying to the 'right' God, but if you never really repented and you didn't want anything to do with God himself, thus, your prayers were never really to him, but prayers to the 'wrong' god (s). :eek:

There is only one way to God, there is only one salvation. Seek and you shall find huh? :cool:

That totally contradicts the 1st bloody commandment, you shall have no other god before me, and now you say as long as you have a good heart and pray to a god period the right one intercepts his mail?

wow, im gonna spend my life praying to the Jedi god of Sabercoolness, as long as God intercepts that prayer :headbang:

in the bible all sins are the same. No one is worse. Stealing money and killing ppl are each a sin. Lieing and sex before marriage are each a sin. Some have worse consequences than others but they are all sins.Every1 can be saved through christ. When Jesus was on the cross he let the murderer on the cross next to him be saved. All sins are bad. As long as we trust jesus we can be saved. i hope this helps. :)
but what if Jesus is too busy to save me? I heard he spends a lot of time hanging around night clubs. That pimp ;)

That totally contradicts the 1st bloody commandment, you shall have no other god before me, and now you say as long as you have a good heart and pray to a god period the right one intercepts his mail?

wow, im gonna spend my life praying to the Jedi god of Sabercoolness, as long as God intercepts that prayer :headbang:

Have your ever read; "The Last Battle"? It's a kids book, you'd likely finish it in an afternoon, seventh book of the Narnia series, about the apocalypse...

For the same reason you don't have to pray in Hebrew, God understands your voice regardless of which language you use. Repentance and asking for forgiveness are paramount, although only one source can clean you, he, not us, determine who is cleansed.

It's much deeper, such as, a person that is his will recognize his voice when he calls, and things like that, but for summary, I'll stick up for what I said before.

but what if Jesus is too busy to save me? I heard he spends a lot of time hanging around night clubs. That pimp ;)

You see, that's just wrong... The bar patrons came to see him :)

also you kind of missed my point, you are following the principle of that if you pray to the wrong god but still follow the RULES and PRINICPLES of christianity you can still be saved.

im not talking technicalities, im talking if a Muslim followed the rules of Allah precisely, and some of those rules are in direct contradiction to the christian faith, but still, he beleives beyond a shadow of a doubt his god will protect him..

both of you cant be right, (the following is COMPLETELY hypothetical) if your religion states that if you die a glorious death killing your enemies, you will be admitted into heaven, but yet the christian rules state that you shall not murder.
Who is right? what religion is right?

thats my point, you both can *not* be right

After going to twelve years of catholic school, studying religion in an anthro course, and reading many, many books, my feeling is this. There is a vast expanse of contradictions within the catholic faith. Consider that the King James version of the bible, which catholics basically eat, sleep and drink out of, was interpreted, written, re-written and severely edited (with a lot of scripture just plain removed) by many very human men.

It was meant to be interpreted as a structured guidline for better living, but let's focus on the word "interpreted". Everyone has his/her own ideal of better living. It would be impossible for any one person to conform enough to get into Heaven.

Just for kicks read the passage about Cain and Abel... very carefully. God favors blood sacrifice, ha. :eek:

Should devout Christian parents start murdering their own children, to avoid the risk of them growing up, sinning and going to hell? It would condemn the parent to hell (probably -- various other posters have seemed to imply that the worst sins can be worked off with enough faith). But, to ensure that one's child got to spend an eternity in bliss, wouldn't risking one's own immortal soul to achieve this be in fact a near-ultimate act of love?

Or should they merely encourage their infants to play dangerous games, like "chase the trucks", "hunt the loaded handgun", or "pass the Bengal tiger"? It's got to be better than letting them run the risk of hell, right? Are you willing to let your children, or indeed other people's children, take that gamble?



Wow, i hadn't thought about that. Good point.

However, most of the Christians i have met are too selfishly concerned about their own soul going to heaven to ever sacrifice their own salvation for that of anyone else. Otherwise, they would be out there murdering everyone's babies.

...don't want them to take that gamble, you know, of their growing up and not accepting Jesus. Think of all the recruits they could send to heaven!

So if their real agenda is getting people to heaven, the best way would be to sacrifice themselves on the altar of sin and kill all the innocents.

And besides, after they kill all the babies to get them into heaven, all they have to do is be sorry and they will still get into heaven.

yikes.

Another problem i have with Christianity.. no not Christianity Religion in general

Who is right? is it done by numbers? if thats the case Christianity is number 2 so god and heaven/hell isn't right

is it done by who has the most faith? who follows the teachings closest? in that case Christianity isn't even close to number 1. again wont be right

surely only 1 can be right, if it is Christianity, then all pagans, muslims, jews, buddists have all got a 1 way ticket straight to hell
Actually most religions have surprisingly similar concepts. Did you know how coomon flood myths are in almost every religion? The key would be to find the common thread/s in every type of faith and start from there.

we aren't worthy of Jesus, but God had mercy on us and gave us a way out, a way to be saved from our sins, anyway.
Well, then we are worthy.

You are contradicting yourself.

And I wasn't mocking: instructions that are impossible to follow are useless.

If God isn't perfect then jesus wasn't perfect. and that would make this entire conversation useless. it would destroy our faith. If Jesus was not perfect, (because he was God) then our religon is obsolete simply because it's built on his sacrifice for us. that sacrifice would have been in vain and we're all screwed.


Yeah, wouldnt that be funny if at the Final Judgement, all the Christians got left outside the gates, watching all the Buddhists getting let into heaven?

Can you just picture the looks on their faces?

hehe.

Well, then we are worthy.

You are contradicting yourself.

And I wasn't mocking: instructions that are impossible to follow are useless.


No he is not contradicting himself. THere is no way on earth or in heaven we in and of ourselves are worthy. SImply by putting our faith in Christ our "worthiness" is no longer looked at but Christ's that is what makes it so we can go to heaven.

No he is not contradicting himself. THere is no way on earth or in heaven we in and of ourselves are worthy. SImply by putting our faith in Christ our "worthiness" is no longer looked at but Christ's that is what makes it so we can go to heaven.
So no human is worthy of heaven? then why save only believers?

So, lemme get this stright. If I kiss god's ass now, I'll get the distinct 'pleasure' of kissing his ass for the rest eternity, OR I can refuse to kiss this worthless deity's ass and suffer for eternity in Hell...

Hmmm... both choices look just so damn good.

I'll pick the third one: laught my keister off at the delusional people who buy into this nonsense. :D

So, lemme get this stright. If I kiss god's ass now, I'll get the distinct 'pleasure' of kissing his ass for the rest eternity, OR I can refuse to kiss this worthless deity's ass and suffer for eternity in Hell...

Hmmm... both choices look just so damn good.

I'll pick the third one: laught my keister off at the delusional people who buy into this nonsense. :D
Now you sound a LOT like the hank sermon lol