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Whats with the 'k'?

I think the whole point in magic is to gain the ability to influence/control metaphysical forces to achieve a quantifiable physical result.

That said, I think its a load of BS.

Crowley added the "k" to magic to signify the difference between the illusory type, and the real type. The illusory being spelled "magic", and the real "magick". Granted, this is according to Crowley, and I don't put much stock by him.

To me, witch craft is like a good grilled cheese sandwich.
It lures you in with the smell and promises of the hidden wonders inside, but then it tests your loyalty to it. Like most ways of life, you must suffer a little by sticking your barehand into the hot pan of sacrifices (real men don't use spatulas. Not that "real men" have anything to do with me, I'm just to poor/stupid to buy a good spatula).
Then, you realize that witchcraft, like the grilled cheese sandwich, is disgusting, burned on one side, and filled with cholestrol. Further, the cheese isn't grilled, because grilling (as I remember) involves neither frying pans, nor copious amoutns of butter.
So, yeah, that's what I think about cooking, and about whatever the hell else I was talking about.


That may be the greatest analogy for anything I have ever heard.

You, sir(ma'am?), are a God.

That may be the greatest analogy for anything I have ever heard.

You, sir(ma'am?), are a God.

Go read the thread on why people hate america (I forget the title). Someone makes a truly wonderful comparison to america and that guy in high school everyone hates. As for this analogy, I found it a bit lacking.

World Wide Witchcraft..you seem to have been silent through out the most of this thread..why so?

I think witchcraft is non-existent.

There are two kinds of people who believe in witchcraft.

1. Religious psychos who think witches are out to get them.

2. Little girls who are into "wicca".

well then you clearly know nothing because there are a lot of people who believe in witchcraft, many of whom are Wiccan. They are not a bunch of little girls who think its cool. I know that this is a public forum but please, think about what you say. If you aren't informed than shut up about it because you are just making yourself look foolish. and yes, i believe in witchcraft. and "wicca" is a very very valid religion.

Whats with the 'k'?

I think the whole point in magic is to gain the ability to influence/control metaphysical forces to achieve a quantifiable physical result.

That said, I think its a load of BS.


The "magic" v. "magick" dichotomy is interesting because it has a strong direct corrolation with intellect and reason.

Generally, where the "k" is observed, the aforementioned are lacking.

Alternatively, it signifies lack of capability in the faculties of spelling english words.

New Granada, due to your inflammatory rhetoric and generally pointless posts, you've been placed as the first person on my Ignore List. If you have strong disagreements with a subject, I suggest composing them into intellectually sound, relevant posts instead of repeatedly belittling and insulting the beliefs of others.

[QUOTE=Pterodonia]Tada. So Satanism is as good as praying to God. CONGRATULATIONS. YOU JUST ENTERED THE HIGHWAY TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gosh!! Idiot!!!!!!!!!! :headbang:
But if you feel that Satanism is a nice thing for everybody to do.
Go ahead. Don't trouble yourself. Have fun down there. I heard its rather hot.
hope you like a little more taint.

Where did I say that Satanism was a nice religion? Where did I say that any religion was a nice religion? I don't believe there is such a thing - certainly not Christianity, the most violent religion ever devised by man. Think about it - no religion based on Satanism or Witchcraft (or anything else, for that matter) could even begin to compare in nastiness to Christianity. Have you read about the Crusades or the Inquisitions or the Witch Hunts, for example? How about the forced conversions and the wholesale destruction of native populations and cultures wherever Christians have found them? Is this what you would consider a nice religion?

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Where did I say that Satanism was a nice religion? Where did I say that any religion was a nice religion? I don't believe there is such a thing - certainly not Christianity, the most violent religion ever devised by man. Think about it - no religion based on Satanism or Witchcraft (or anything else, for that matter) could even begin to compare in nastiness to Christianity. Have you read about the Crusades or the Inquisitions or the Witch Hunts, for example? How about the forced conversions and the wholesale destruction of native populations and cultures wherever Christians have found them? Is this what you would consider a nice religion?

That's what the religion has become. It's supposed to be about love, acceptance, and forgiveness of your fellow human being, but I think that along the way, its popularity was seen as a way to control people, and the corrupt were able to take hold of it. People have seemed to lost touch with the true message of the Bible (though, mind you, I'm Pagan, don't believe a word of the Bible as being real, but metaphors for life), and have twisted it to suit there needs. However, this happens through other religions, as well. Christianity just happens to generally the most notable.

I think witchcraft is non-existent.

There are two kinds of people who believe in witchcraft.

1. Religious psychos who think witches are out to get them.

2. Little girls who are into "wicca".

1.You do not need to be religious to think witches are out to get you
2.Wicca is a religion, not all wiccans believe in witchcraft. It is like saying all those who are christian believe in the immaculate conception. And why only little girls? By the way, puting quotation marks around Wicca is rude.


Witchcraft is neither good or evil. Some branches are nastier than others, such as Paleros, others are pretty friendly, eco-friendly earth witches.

Many believe witchcraft is evil, but then there are people who are good. What do you think is witchcraft and why?
Neither evil nor good ... just faintly ridiculous; rather like fundamentalism in any mainline religion.

One good book to read on witchcraft is "The Golden Borough(sp?*)"

Why witchcraft could work: If all matter in the universe is only probably there then why not alter the pobabilities by an act of will. Albeit, the efect of a single (and unfocused) would be small, but several minds focused on a single goal would probably amount to something.

*branch basically

Note: No religion is free of some mysticism. When that mysticism is viewed from outside it is witchcraft. Eg: The transubstantiation at christian mass.
it rathermuch could amount to witchery to a muslim. Some of the sacred books of judaism are quite specific on magic. Islam has it's own magical sects. Let's even not start with hinduism.


Note on christianity and Islam and any other faith that has a widespread cult: None of them did kill off any previous faiths. merging is more common than not. In Mexico, for example, as soon as posible the natives reverted to their old gods. When this reversion brought punishment they hid the icons beneath the crosses, worshiping their idol, not that of the spainards. In some regions Jesus christ has no meanin in their pantheon and it is some saint that has gotten the staring role, as they have renamed their gods by the bible. (this is common also in cuba, brazil, haiti).

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Note on christianity and Islam and any other faith that has a widespread cult: None of them did kill off any previous faiths. merging is more common than not. In Mexico, for example, as soon as posible the natives reverted to their old gods. When this reversion brought punishment they hid the icons beneath the crosses, worshiping their idol, not that of the spainards. In some regions Jesus christ has no meanin in their pantheon and it is some saint that has gotten the staring role, as they have renamed their gods by the bible. (this is common also in cuba, brazil, haiti).

They've also incorporated the older, preChristian beliefs into their faith system, making an odd and interesting blend of the two in some areas.


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Witchcraft is neither good or evil. Some branches are nastier than others, such as Paleros, others are pretty friendly, eco-friendly earth witches.

Would you please elaborate on what Paleros are? I've never heard of this branch and Google's just turning up a Greek village.

Paleros are a type of Santeria (like voodo but not haitian, more of Brazil and Cuba. Almost same saints-gods though) sorcerers. Blood rituals, usage of dark spirits and poisons are common. *shudder* nasty stuff

Go read the thread on why people hate america (I forget the title). Someone makes a truly wonderful comparison to america and that guy in high school everyone hates. As for this analogy, I found it a bit lacking.

World Wide Witchcraft..you seem to have been silent through out the most of this thread..why so?

Im sorry, im still sad that most of my friends are moving to different high school...sigh :(

Im sorry, im still sad that most of my friends are moving to different high school...sigh :(

Ahh...well, as an off topic sympathy, when I moved the summer after 8th grade, I went to a completely different highschool than I thought I would, so I had to make a whole new set of friends, which wasn't easy for me. However, after graduating, I've kept in touch with some of my good friends from that school. So don't worry, life doesn't end with that. If they're good friends, the friendship'll last.

Ahh...well, as an off topic sympathy, when I moved the summer after 8th grade, I went to a completely different highschool than I thought I would, so I had to make a whole new set of friends, which wasn't easy for me. However, after graduating, I've kept in touch with some of my good friends from that school. So don't worry, life doesn't end with that. If they're good friends, the friendship'll last.

Wouldn't it be difficult since any1 would know im a Christain witch? I usually known to give of easy hints because my charms, questions in school and how i think of things.

That's what the religion has become. It's supposed to be about love, acceptance, and forgiveness of your fellow human being, but I think that along the way, its popularity was seen as a way to control people, and the corrupt were able to take hold of it. People have seemed to lost touch with the true message of the Bible (though, mind you, I'm Pagan, don't believe a word of the Bible as being real, but metaphors for life), and have twisted it to suit there needs. However, this happens through other religions, as well. Christianity just happens to generally the most notable.

Have you ever read H.G. Well's "An Outline of History"? My father-in-law loaned it to my husband. It has a rather interesting section called The Rise of Christianity that I think you'd enjoy. If I read it correctly, and my husband and I have discussed this and he read it the same as I did, Jesus never wanted what he preached to become a religion. He was for abolishing the priesthood. He saw nothing wrong with ministering to people, but he didn't agree with the idea that the priests were the elite of society.

Wouldn't it be difficult since any1 would know im a Christain witch? I usually known to give of easy hints because my charms, questions in school and how i think of things.

Nope. I'm known as a very cynical, not so polite, no holds barred, nothing's taboo Pagan by my friends. If they're true friends, they won't care.

Have you ever read H.G. Well's "An Outline of History"? My father-in-law loaned it to my husband. It has a rather interesting section called The Rise of Christianity that I think you'd enjoy. If I read it correctly, and my husband and I have discussed this and he read it the same as I did, Jesus never wanted what he preached to become a religion. He was for abolishing the priesthood. He saw nothing wrong with ministering to people, but he didn't agree with the idea that the priests were the elite of society.
No, I've not, but I am a fan of Wells, so if I remember it, I'll take a look at it. Though I think I've heard the same thing, but from others.

Also..I'm going to be posting a thread I think the lot of you would be interested in, so do please take a look.

Also..I'm going to be posting a thread I think the lot of you would be interested in, so do please take a look.

gonna give us a link 2 it mate?

...whoops. lol..I'll do that now. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=421519

I knew I forgot to do something last night. I'm basically just trying to get a bunch of people from NS to share their experiences with religion/their belief system, and mayhaps create a better understanding between them.

Also..World Wide Witchcraft..Are you the same person as "The Christain Pentacle"? They started the exact same thread as you, same topic question, just a different thread title.

Also..World Wide Witchcraft..Are you the same person as "The Christain Pentacle"? They started the exact same thread as you, same topic question, just a different thread title.

Yes it was. However i abonded it after it wouldn't allow my password. I guess it changed on me so i did this Nation...still can't type in the password...

bullshirvism sheer bullshirvism

Sorry to take so long to reply to this 'thread?' but in 1642 when the original witch trials began we didn't have this technical ability - it's really interesting.

Good or Bad - what's that - does it not depend on where YOU stand and what YOU require to be the outcome.

It maybe better if you view everything as GREY.....

Is Witchcraft, Wicca, etc real -YES

Can it make me a multi-millionaire - possibly

Is it dangerous - Can be

ONE RULE AND ONE RULE ONLY - DO NOT HARM ANYBODY OR ANYTHING ELSE

If we all lived by this ?????

Senator Sativun
Magnus Corvid
The Aviary

*snip*
ONE RULE AND ONE RULE ONLY - DO NOT HARM ANYBODY OR ANYTHING ELSE


That rule applies to Wiccans only, though.

witchcraft is bull crap. Ill start believing in witchcraft as soon as I see some "spell" or ritual of that likeness actually happen.

I once started to believe in witchcraft (Wicca) and Astrology, but my Psychic told me those were a bunch of crap....

isnt midwifing witchcraft?

isnt midwifing witchcraft?

Not really, but they're not mutually exclusive. A midwife is a woman who studies the use of herbal remedies and the like to cure the ills of the body, and learns other more "natural" methods of solving the physical problems of the human self.

I once started to believe in witchcraft (Wicca) and Astrology, but my Psychic told me those were a bunch of crap....
Your psychic? ...you mean psychologist (sp) or psychiatrist (sp)

Not really, but they're not mutually exclusive. A midwife is a woman who studies the use of herbal remedies and the like to cure the ills of the body, and learns other more "natural" methods of solving the physical problems of the human self.

Really? I thought a midwife was someone (usually a women, but a man can be a midwife too) who assists in the delivery of a baby.

Your psychic? ...you mean psychologist (sp) or psychiatrist (sp)

I get the feeling JA had his tongue firmly in his cheek.

Really? I thought a midwife was someone (usually a women, but a man can be a midwife too) who assists in the delivery of a baby.



I get the feeling JA had his tongue firmly in his cheek.

From what I understand, yes, that's what they are best known for. But if I'm not mistaken, they doubled as a health practicioner as well.

From what I understand, yes, that's what they are best known for. But if I'm not mistaken, they doubled as a health practicioner as well.

Would it not be more accurate to say (and less confusing [for me at any rate]) to say that many traditional health practitioners were also skilled in midwifery?

As in, midwifery was one of the services offered in the same way that herbal remedies might be a service offered.

I didn't vote because there wasn't a "Load of Crap" option.

I've known a few women who claim to be witches/wiccans and made outrageous claims about the supernatural things they could do, and when I asked them to show me they made some pansy excuse about how they couldn't do it because it wasn't the third Monday after a full moon or because the psychic frequency wasn't quite right at the moment. Or some other such bollocks.

Would it not be more accurate to say (and less confusing [for me at any rate]) to say that many traditional health practitioners were also skilled in midwifery?

As in, midwifery was one of the services offered in the same way that herbal remedies might be a service offered.
*Shakes fist*You whippersnappers these days needing everything simplified!;)
But yes, you raise a good point.

*Shakes fist*You whippersnappers these days needing everything simplified!;)
But yes, you raise a good point.

Sorry about that. It is an annoying tendancy of mine :)

Sorry about that. It is an annoying tendancy of mine :)

To need things simplified, or raise good points? :p

I didn't vote because there wasn't a "Load of Crap" option.

I've known a few women who claim to be witches/wiccans and made outrageous claims about the supernatural things they could do, and when I asked them to show me they made some pansy excuse about how they couldn't do it because it wasn't the third Monday after a full moon or because the psychic frequency wasn't quite right at the moment. Or some other such bollocks.

they probabli belived it. lot of wiccans believe that full moon helps spells work better. never tried it myself

they probabli belived it. lot of wiccans believe that full moon helps spells work better. never tried it myself

Personally, I think it's a load of bollocks about how the phases of the moon and the like affect spell casting. It's simply used as a poor excuse for a lack of knowledge/experience in the area. Among my friends who are practicioners of magic, I don't know a single one of them that has ever claimed that such is the case. I've never once had a problem doing work whenever I chose to.

However, as to the offering proof, one of the few personal rules I go by is this: I will never grant proof. The person requesting such on their own must come to their own conclusions in the matter, and believe or disbelieve, based on their own informed opinions. Proof is never truly concrete, for it can always be questioned, interpreted, and disregarded as the viewer sees fit.

Not really, but they're not mutually exclusive. A midwife is a woman who studies the use of herbal remedies and the like to cure the ills of the body, and learns other more "natural" methods of solving the physical problems of the human self.

No, a midwife is someone who helps women have their babies. You don't have to know anything about 'herbal remedies and the like' to be a midwife, you can simply be a nurse, using only Western medicine.

Question: What r the different types of witchcraft that hasn't been mentioned so far? :confused:

Okay, I'm intruiged. While I believe that the idea of witchcraft is silly I'm willing to admit I could possibly be wrong. How does one actually go about casting a spell? Is anyone out there willing to give me an outline of how to cast some charm or spell? I'll give it a go and get back to you.

Okay, I'm intruiged. While I believe that the idea of witchcraft is silly I'm willing to admit I could possibly be wrong. How does one actually go about casting a spell? Is anyone out there willing to give me an outline of how to cast some charm or spell? I'll give it a go and get back to you.

Well, some r rituals, chants or even dances and singing. U may have to use props as a dagger, a pentacle, (the symbol that usually represents witchcraft; a written star with a cricle around it) runes, and insense, maby an alter too. Look for some spells in books or online.


P.S. IT IS BEST TO USE A SPELL FOR UR RELIGIION< IT IS NOT A TOOL! BE VERY CARFUL: UV BEEN WARNED!!!

What if you can't sing? I don't mean you're mute or anything, just really friggin' bad at karaoke. Are the infinite and mystical powers of the cosmos denied to those who can't carry a tune?

What about whistling? Does that count?

What if you can't sing? I don't mean you're mute or anything, just really friggin' bad at karaoke. Are the infinite and mystical powers of the cosmos denied to those who can't carry a tune?

What about whistling? Does that count?

The only time it may denie u is by ur neglect of them, perhaps. I have no idea, but this is just a lucky guess. I really don't think they can deny u by voice. Still im not part of that religion...

For whom it may concer;
I have no idea how threads usually end, if they send to the owners e-mail or popularity, I really think that this thread may come to an end...(sigh)

Well, hope u enjoyed this tread so far, (that is if it does go on)... :(