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Oh, of course! All the world's ills started in the '60s! It was those damn Beatles! They ruined everything! They destroyed our society, turned our youth on to heroin, and gave everybody AIDS!
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Of course ;)

No, it was atained sometime between 1955 and 1960.
How would you know if life was perfect back then when you weren't even around? I just checked out your profile, and I've got cheese in the fridge that's older than you.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

America's economic, social, political, and moral peak was in the late 1950's, between 1966 and 1960.

Should that be 'the late 1950's, between 1956 and 1960'?


So, we're talking about the time when gang warfare was so rife in New York that Bernstein was able to make parallels to the civil strife and slaughter that Shakespeare used as background in his Romeo And Juliet when he penned his version West Side Story in 1957? So much for the moral peak and your claimed decline since that point.

How would you know if life was perfect back then when you weren't even around? I just checked out your profile, and I've got cheese in the fridge that's older than you.

In the same way that he can be in the top income class even though a Big Issue seller makes more then he does.

How would you know if life was perfect back then when you weren't even around? I just checked out your profile, and I've got cheese in the fridge that's older than you.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.


I have spoken with people I know that lived then, such as my grandparents, and they said it was a lot better then, there was a lot less crime, life was slower paced, and people were more polite. Its a well documented fact that American manners have gone downhill since about 1980, its also a well documented fact that as the "multiculturalism" of America began in the 1960's, everything went downhill.

How old are you? You said you're living with your parents, so I'm guessing that you're a teenager. So how can you say that it was better back then?

Grandparents and other people that grew up then, like a few teachers.

That's true--if you were rich, white, and male.

No, it was a better time then. Ask anyone that was around then. People had more class, were more respectful, not obsessed with getting sex 24/7, and the country was in much better moral and economic shape. I would love living in a time like that.

No, it was a better time then. Ask anyone that was around then. People had more class, were more respectful, not obsessed with getting sex 24/7, and the country was in much better moral and economic shape. I would love living in a time like that.

Ahhh back when asbestos and cigarettes were considered necessary components of a healthy diet

Its a well documented fact that American manners have gone downhill since about 1980, its also a well documented fact that as the "multiculturalism" of America began in the 1960's, everything went downhill.
seeing as how these "facts" are so well documented, you will naturally be able to provide us with clear statistical and empirical proof, right?

right?

I have spoken with people I know that lived then, such as my grandparents, and they said it was a lot better then, there was a lot less crime, life was slower paced, and people were more polite.
ahh, see everybody? he knows it for sure, because a couple of people told him so! obviously the personal experiences of a few individuals can be generalized to cover the entire expanse of American culture over the course of 50 years of history! and obviously those experiences will have in no way have been colored by the passage of time or the moods of those who relate them! we've got some solid proof, now!

Kahta is without a doubt close minded person

Kahta is without a doubt close minded person


His opinions are of his parents and other adults in his life. When he gets older with more maturity, experience and knowledge he will hopefully form his own. That doesn't mean he still won't feel the same about certain things as he does now.. but it will be better for him that they are his opinions and not someone elses.

His opinions are of his parents and other adults in his life. When he gets older with more maturity, experience and knowledge he will hopefully form his own. That doesn't mean he still won't feel the same about certain things as he does now.. but it will be better for him that they are his opinions and not someone elses.


They are my opinions, I am far more conservative then either of my parents. My mom used to run a program for mothers on welfare to get their GED's, my dad and mom are both registered democrats. I used to blindly follow their views about everyone being equal, multiculturalism being good, etc. but I realized that those were not true.

ahh, see everybody? he knows it for sure, because a couple of people told him so! obviously the personal experiences of a few individuals can be generalized to cover the entire expanse of American culture over the course of 50 years of history! and obviously those experiences will have in no way have been colored by the passage of time or the moods of those who relate them! we've got some solid proof, now!


I know for sure, because I see America today, and it is a morally, economically, and ethically bankraupt country. Tell me how its better today, with 5 reasons, and I'll be able to respond.

seeing as how these "facts" are so well documented, you will naturally be able to provide us with clear statistical and empirical proof, right?

right?


No, because the NWO controlled media, such as MTV, VH1, BET, etc. Promote unhealthy lifestyles, such as drug use, sex with everyone, drinking parties, etc. Did you know the average American now has their first drink at 11 years old?

http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol-info/YouthIssues/1055938929.html

America was better in the 1950's becase:
1. We were the sole economic superpower.
2. People could be easily divided by economic and social classes, to prevent bad influences of the low classes from reaching into the higher classes
3. There was no need to use the invasive powers of the FCC, broadcasters knew what was appropriate, and what wasn't.
4. Jobs and college addmissions were based on intelligence and skill, not race and other factors.
5. America was an example of what the rest of the world should be.

4. Jobs and college addmissions were based on intelligence and skill, not race and other factors.
*cough*
They were what?
Racism was rampant... Segregation and all...
What you described seems to be the opposite of what you really stand for.

No, because the NWO controlled media, such as MTV, VH1, BET, etc. Promote unhealthy lifestyles, such as drug use, sex with everyone, drinking parties, etc. Did you know the average American now has their first drink at 11 years old?

http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol-info/YouthIssues/1055938929.html

America was better in the 1950's becase:
1. We were the sole economic superpower.
2. People could be easily divided by economic and social classes, to prevent bad influences of the low classes from reaching into the higher classes
3. There was no need to use the invasive powers of the FCC, broadcasters knew what was appropriate, and what wasn't.
4. Jobs and college addmissions were based on intelligence and skill, not race and other factors.
5. America was an example of what the rest of the world should be.
How to fix the US in one easy step

Shoot all racists, homophobes and sexists.

And Kahta is down

The 50's were a time of prudishness and intellectual suppression. A time when innocent people were wrongly accused of being communists, just because certain individuals in the government did not like them. A time of blatant racism, when people were wrongly convicted of crimes just because of their skin color in certain parts of the country. It was a time when nuclear armageddon seemed inevitable.

On top of that, 50's architecture is fucking hideous. The only thing good things about the 50's were the cars and some of the music.

Anyway, Kahta, if you think these students are bad for insulting some of their classmates, you should read up on the violent acts committed in the early 90's by people involved with the Norwegian black metal scene.

Ahhh back when asbestos and cigarettes were considered necessary components of a healthy diet

No, the risk of cigarettes was known, my dad's parents quit smoking when it was found to be unhealthy, same with my step-grandparents. They were never considered to be "healthy". The risks of asbestos was not known, and it was not known as a dangerous substance at the time. Lead however, was, and it was not used. My house was built after WWII and there is asbestos insulation on all the pipes in the basement.

The risks of asbestos was not known, and it was not known as a dangerous substance at the time. Lead however, was, and it was not used. My house was built after WWII and there is asbestos insulation on all the pipes in the basement.
It was known in the 50's (and had been known for some time) that asbestos was dangerous.

i dont see any problem with there cd but i do take offence to them using the girls names

The 50's were a time of prudishness and intellectual suppression. A time when innocent people were wrongly accused of being communists, just because certain individuals in the government did not like them. A time of blatant racism, when people were wrongly convicted of crimes just because of their skin color in certain parts of the country. It was a time when nuclear armageddon seemed inevitable.

On top of that, 50's architecture is fucking hideous. The only thing good things about the 50's were the cars and some of the music.

Anyway, Kahta, if you think these students are bad for insulting some of their classmates, you should read up on the violent acts committed in the early 90's by people involved with the Norwegian black metal scene.


There were not as many race related crimes in the 1950's, compared to in the 1870's, as for the anti-communist thing, look at what the modern day liberals are preaching, it is very similar, "everyone is equal", "equality for all", "everyone is created equal", all very similar to actual marxists.

Architecture is a matter of personal taste, for me, I like anything from the 20's to the 60's, and some stuff into the 70's and 80's.

I'll take a look at that.

It was known in the 50's (and had been known for some time) that asbestos was dangerous.


Yes, but it wasn't confirmed until the 70's when it was banned. Its still not known how dangerous it is, because a lot of people were exposed to it, and never got lung cancer.

There were not as many race related crimes in the 1950's, compared to in the 1870's, as for the anti-communist thing, look at what the modern day liberals are preaching, it is very similar, "everyone is equal", "equality for all", "everyone is created equal", all very similar to actual marxists.

Architecture is a matter of personal taste, for me, I like anything from the 20's to the 60's, and some stuff into the 70's and 80's.

I'll take a look at that.


There should be equality of opportunity for everyone. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As far as architecture, anything after art deco is crap as far as I'm concerned. I hate what was done in the name of "utilitarianism."

There were not as many race related crimes as in the 1870's, true. However, I wouldn't want to go back to 1870, either, as I don't think the reconstruction era was America's greatest moment, either.

There should be equality of opportunity for everyone. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As far as architecture, anything after art deco is crap as far as I'm concerned. I hate what was done in the name of "utilitarianism."

There were not as many race related crimes as in the 1870's, true. However, I wouldn't want to go back to 1870, either, as I don't think the reconstruction era was America's greatest moment, either.


I don't think people should be given equal opportunity if they're not equal.

The 1870's were not a good time.

I don't think people should be given equal opportunity if they're not equal.


Why not?

I don't think people should be given equal opportunity if they're not equal.

Despite the fact that I seem to be on ignore here:

1. How are you going to determine if they are equal or not without giving them equality of opportunity?
2. If you do give them equality of opportunity then those who are less capable will not do as well as those who are more capable - so why the fear of granting equality of opportunity? If anything it would just increase the social stratification that you seem to lurve so much.

I don't think people should be given equal opportunity if they're not equal.



So you think we should start competitors in marathons at different spots then, giving a headstart to a few for arbitrary reasons?

Wow, you fail to check the forum for a couple of days and look what happens, eh? The posts just pile up. Luckily, it seems that the sane are still holding the majority, so whenever someone floats up a little thought bubble there's always someone there to shoot it down.

Good job, keep up the good work team! :D

Perhaps promoting violence, underage drinking, and other things that trash regularly does, I'd say that rock music cannot compare, and at least it takes some talent rather than swearing, and threatening to a beat.

Well if that isn't a poster for ignorance and intolerance I don't know what is.

The only things the students did wrong was to name names and sell the products on school property.

Freedom of speech protects the things that offend you, not the things you enjoy hearing. Nowhere in the bill of rights does it say that you have a right to never be offended.

If you don't like what someone has to say, don't listen to it.

Can I congratulate Kahta on managing to hold out in the face of united opposition, despite his obvious disadvantages. Such as being wrong.

Naver has this meant so little, and it makes me smile that there is still such pigheadedness in the world.

Yes, I did and I still don't understand why the school was involved. The CD was not produced at the school and selling things in school is not illegal, as far as I know. The school, had it wanted to, could have banned the CD's from school property, but I don't see where it gets the mandate to punish the people who made it.

Also, I don't understand why this is so horrible, or why it is precipitated by rap music in general.

Most schools have very strict policies about selling stuff at school. Generally, it's only allowable for things like fund raisers for the cheerleaders and what have you. I could see a half day of suspension for that as ample punishment for that kind of crime.

By mentioning names in the songs though, the rappers open themselves up for slander lawsuits, should the girls wish to do so. If they would have just made up names or forgone mentioning names, they would have skipped out on that negativity also.

Take those two things away and I can't see them as having done anything wrong. Freedom of thought and expression trump anyone's offense at their message.

Wow, if I would have realized this was on page 36, I wouldn't have bothered to reply to things on page 2.

Can I congratulate Kahta on managing to hold out in the face of united opposition, despite his obvious disadvantages. Such as being wrong.

Naver has this meant so little, and it makes me smile that there is still such pigheadedness in the world.

Thanks, though I don't consider myself to be wrong. If I was wrong, I'd had admitted it.

Freedom of speech protects the things that offend you, not the things you enjoy hearing. Nowhere in the bill of rights does it say that you have a right to never be offended.


Freedom of speech pertains to the freedom to discuss poltics and events, not profanities.

So you think we should start competitors in marathons at different spots then, giving a headstart to a few for arbitrary reasons?

No, I think that marathons are entirely different, because marathons do not have any bearing on real life.

Why not?


Because if someone's retarded they shouldn't be given the same education as me. Why should I get the same education as some trailer trash with an IQ of 14?

Thanks, though I don't consider myself to be wrong. If I was wrong, I'd had admitted it.

Then by your definition, freedom of speech is not free. The freedom of speech is either absolute or nonexistent, there is no middle ground.

Freedom of speech pertains to the freedom to discuss poltics and events, not profanities.

Third time:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=403&invol=15

Because if someone's retarded they shouldn't be given the same education as me. Why should I get the same education as some trailer trash with an IQ of 14?

1. Education isn't about increasing IQ, it is about increasing knowledge. The two are very different things.

2. If education was about increasing IQ, and assuming that you have an IQ of greater than 14, then they need the education more than you do.

Then by your definition, freedom of speech is not free. The freedom of speech is either absolute or nonexistent, there is no middle ground.


Ok, I interpret the constitution the way that the founding fathers wrote about it in the federalist papers.

Note: Bodieswithoutorgans: I have you on my ignore list, I have tried to not tell you, but I am telling you this politely, as to prevent my insulting of you, which I was very tempted to do several times.

I think that rappers should be sent to labor camps, they degrade women, promote violence, promote truancy, promote drug use, and in general do nothing positive.

Ok now if we are going to put rappers in labour camps we have to put country music singers there too, after all I personally don't like rap in the first place but it is a bit unfair to blame the music like that. I have to listen to country music that my mum plays everyday, and after a while you tend to actually hear the words they say, all of them either are about drugs, killing women mostly but also killing men (I can even get the lyrics if you don't believe me) and a range of other things that do nothing positive either. So why stop at rappers? by the end of thinking who does what wrong no1 would be out of labour camps.

Third time:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=403&invol=15

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=403&invol=15
Final Judgement:
"It is, in sum, our judgment that, absent a more particularized and compelling reason for its actions, the State may not, consistently with the First and Fourteenth Amendments, make the simple public display here involved of this single four-letter expletive a criminal offense. Because that is the only arguably sustainable rationale for the conviction here at issue, the judgment below must be Reversed."

*In case someone doesn't wish to read the entire judgement.

Note: Bodieswithoutorgans: I have you on my ignore list, I have tried to not tell you, but I am telling you this politely, as to prevent my insulting of you, which I was very tempted to do several times.

Seems like someone is a bit lacking in self-control in that case. I wonder what he was going to insult me about? Anyhow, being ignored is not sufficient to guarantee my silence.

Ok, I interpret the constitution the way that the founding fathers wrote about it in the federalist papers.

Note: Bodieswithoutorgans: I have you on my ignore list, I have tried to not tell you, but I am telling you this politely, as to prevent my insulting of you, which I was very tempted to do several times.

The way they wrote about it does not matter, what matters is the amendment itself. There are no footnotes in the constitution. Publications != Law

*In case someone doesn't wish to read the entire judgement.

Ta.

i want a copy of the cd...

but thats just wierd taste in music.

i don't like what they have to say but i will defend to the death thier right to say it...

while it may be offensive, is absurd to punish them for words. its like attacking someone for using the "fuck" on the radio

Cmon- Rap isnt the first style of music to popularize gangs, drugs, or sex.
You hear people goin after Sinatra for his shit in Vegas.
And does anybody care that rock groups have been singing explicity lyrics including suicide and drug use and sexuality.
People just make a big deal out of rap cuz its the new hot thing out there and its made by young black men causing white males to become jealous.

Next the school had a right to punish the kids. The school can determine what can be bought and sold on their property. The school does not have to provide a forum for any speech. I do not agree with this but it is da law written by da man.

Also I like rap music and hope that 50 doesnt get shot before his next album is released and the games album is tight.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=403&invol=15
Final Judgement:
"It is, in sum, our judgment that, absent a more particularized and compelling reason for its actions, the State may not, consistently with the First and Fourteenth Amendments, make the simple public display here involved of this single four-letter expletive a criminal offense. Because that is the only arguably sustainable rationale for the conviction here at issue, the judgment below must be Reversed."

*In case someone doesn't wish to read the entire judgement.


Ok, I admit that I was wrong. I admit it.

The way they wrote about it does not matter, what matters is the amendment itself. There are no footnotes in the constitution. Publications != Law

Yes, I read it. I was wrong, and I admit it, however I still think that vulgarities should be crimes when said in a public place "Yo, mutha fucka what up my nigga" should be a crime because it involves the F-word in public. Also, I find it very hypocrital that I cannot call a black person a ni--er, but they can say it as much as they want to eachother. They can also call me a "cracker", but I cannot respond in turn with a racial insult.

No, I think that marathons are entirely different, because marathons do not have any bearing on real life.

I maintain that it is an apt analogy. In most cases, you cannot know how different people compare until you see how they perform in equal or similar circumstances. There are exceptions, of course, but by and large, this is the case.

Ok, I admit that I was wrong. I admit it.

(549-279=) 270 posts later after the link was first posted.

This is the danger of using the ignore list.

Well how about:

Defamation, unauthorised solicitation of products on school property?

I'm not a grandpa, I'm 21 years old, and I think this kind of behaviour is quite frankly disgusting.

Any "culture" that encourages gangsterism, gun crime etc should be discouraged.

Very true, but every time I state this I am accused of being a racist.

Very true, but every time I state this I am accused of being a racist.

Yeah, me too.

Yeah, me too.
well the only problem here is YOU really ARE a racist

Yes, but it wasn't confirmed until the 70's when it was banned. Its still not known how dangerous it is, because a lot of people were exposed to it, and never got lung cancer.
Confirmed by who? What this says is "yeah it was known to be dangerous, but the manufacturers were able to avoid having the product banned throughout all the 50's and beyond". This doesnt support your premise about the 50's being so much better. The fact that they knew it was dangerous but no one bothered to ban it, untill another era (70's) proves that the 50's were not such a grand ethical time after all.
Evidently it is true that not everyone gets lung cancer from asbestos, or even that everyone killed by asbestos gets lung cancer; they might for instance get stomach cancer instead.

Because if someone's retarded they shouldn't be given the same education as me. Why should I get the same education as some trailer trash with an IQ of 14?
Why should anyone have less opportunity to achieve? Why should some hard working trailer trash with an IQ of 14 be given less of an opportunity to be the best they can, than some lazy rich person who cant be bothered?

You can't 'give' someone an education, you can only present them with the opportunity to become educated by participating in education. The end results will be defined by a combination of the quality of education they are able to access, the person's aptitude, and the person's effort. If someone is deficient in aptitude, they may still end up achieving more than someone who is deficient in effort, providing both have the same access to the same quality of education. That's why they should have the same opportunities, at the end of the day, given equal opportunity, someone initially less apt, may achieve the better result simply due to perserverence and hard work. It is after all the result that matters. I dont care how 'intelligent' someone is, if they wont do the work, what use are they?

Yes, I read it. I was wrong, and I admit it, however I still think that vulgarities should be crimes when said in a public place "Yo, mutha fucka what up my nigga" should be a crime because it involves the F-word in public. Also, I find it very hypocrital that I cannot call a black person a ni--er, but they can say it as much as they want to eachother. They can also call me a "cracker", but I cannot respond in turn with a racial insult.

You can say nigga it will just get you beat up by those who find it insulting. The examination of these words are that they insult not that they are socially unacceptable. You can use any word positevely of negatively and some words can only used among freinds. When you get down to it swearing is case by case determination. If I yell at someome "Your a Soigne Phelonion" insultingly someone will be insulted( or just confused and for thos that want to know that means a elegentaly designed clerical vestement). The diffrence we see is that people feel insulted by other peoples conversation. If we did not have uncouth idiots looking for fights or instrusive self-appoinited social police then we would not worry about this.

Cracker from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_cracker)

Freedom of speech pertains to the freedom to discuss poltics and events, not profanities.

No, the first ammendment protects all forms of expression, from art to religion to polotics to opinion to satire. It also protects my right to say 'fuck'. It has been made quite clear multiple times by the supreme court that this is the case.

If you don't like that freedom, or think that it should be limited, then I suggest that there is definately something un-American about you.

Third time:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=403&invol=15


BWO, You Rock.

Yes, I read it. I was wrong, and I admit it, however I still think that vulgarities should be crimes when said in a public place "Yo, mutha fucka what up my nigga" should be a crime because it involves the F-word in public. Also, I find it very hypocrital that I cannot call a black person a ni--er, but they can say it as much as they want to eachother. They can also call me a "cracker", but I cannot respond in turn with a racial insult.

You can say it. It is not a crime to do so. They get to take offense to it at their own leisure.

But, more importantly, why do you feel the need to call anyone a racist term? Are you, perchance, racist?

Perhaps promoting violence, underage drinking, and other things that trash regularly does, I'd say that rock music cannot compare, and at least it takes some talent rather than swearing, and threatening to a beat.
i could not even read the rest of the thread. this shocks me. as a first, i hate rap. loathe it. i will now let you know that most, commercial rock music promotes many "bad things" including depression, drinking, and never getting over relationships, therefore creating a stalker mentality.

now, with that said. pick on my music. metal. the lyrics promote violence, death, drugs, satan, war and a list of things that will call attention to the mods, so i wont list them. i have listened to this music all my life, and am a productive citizen,i have a degree and i own a home. and i managed to aquire all of that while screaming about ripping throats out along with my favorite CD . get a clue.

Yes, I read it. I was wrong, and I admit it, however I still think that vulgarities should be crimes when said in a public place "Yo, mutha fucka what up my nigga" should be a crime because it involves the F-word in public. Also, I find it very hypocrital that I cannot call a black person a ni--er, but they can say it as much as they want to eachother. They can also call me a "cracker", but I cannot respond in turn with a racial insult.
people need to stop pulling the race card. how lame. black this, white that. ****** this, cracker that. dont you ever get sick of arguing these bs issues?

i could not even read the rest of the thread. this shocks me. as a first, i hate rap. loathe it. i will now let you know that most, commercial rock music promotes many "bad things" including depression, drinking, and never getting over relationships, therefore creating a stalker mentality.

now, with that said. pick on my music. metal. the lyrics promote violence, death, drugs, satan, war and a list of things that will call attention to the mods, so i wont list them. i have listened to this music all my life, and am a productive citizen,i have a degree and i own a home. and i managed to aquire all of that while screaming about ripping throats out along with my favorite CD . get a clue.
w00t

w00t
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DISCLAIMER_ the fluffle abilities demonsrtaed in this post were aquired by listening to lyrics that describe in detail, how to be raped and love your attacker. US METAL HEADS CAN LOVE,TOO!!!!

You know, there's an awful lot of hot air on here about what rap is or what rap isn't, but not a lot of citations or quotations. Not to cast aspersions on anyone in particular, but in academic circles, these sort of unsubstantiated generalizations are technically known as "talking out one's ass."

So here, let me do the legwork and provide a little example of rap's virulence.

Listen.. people be askin me all the time,
"Yo, what's gettin ready to happen with Hip-Hop?"
Where do you think Hip-Hop is goin?
I tell em, "You know what's gonna happen with Hip-Hop?
Whatever's happening with us"
If we smoked out, Hip-Hop is gonna be smoked out
If we doin alright, Hip-Hop is gonna be doin alright
People talk about Hip-Hop like it's some giant livin in the hillside
comin down to visit the townspeople
We +are+ Hip-Hop
Me, you, everybody, we are Hip-Hop
So Hip-Hop is goin where we goin
So the next time you ask yourself where Hip-Hop is goin
ask yourself.. where am I goin? How am I doin?
Til you get a clear idea
So.. if Hip-Hop is about the people
and the.. Hip-Hop won't get better until the people get better
then how do people get better? Hmmmm...
Well, from my understanding people get better
when they start to understand that, they are valuable
And they not valuable because they got a whole lot of money
or cause somebody, think they sexy
but they valuable cause they been created by God
And God, makes you valuable
And whether or not you recognize that value is one thing

Yes sir, that rap. All about money, hos, and clothes.

BWO, You Rock.

Thanks. Pity I had to post it three times before someone would quote it.

Damn it, those idiots should be sent to a labour camp or something. :mad:

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DISCLAIMER_ the fluffle abilities demonsrtaed in this post were aquired by listening to lyrics that describe in detail, how to be raped and love your attacker. US METAL HEADS CAN LOVE,TOO!!!!
Psshhhht. anyone with functional genitals can love. :D

"(c)rap" and "music" don't go in the same sentence.

"(c)rap" and "music" don't go in the same sentence.

Couldn't agree more!

Damn it, those idiots should be sent to a labour camp or something. :mad:

Yeah, as we all know once black* people are sentenced to hard labour in the USA, they immediately stop producing music.

Click me. (http://www.rounder.com/series/lomax_alan/prison.htm)



* assuming that the rappers were in fact black, which has never been shown to be the case.

What surprises me is that now (c)rap promotes something? I always saw it as the incoherent mumbling of someone who can neither sing nor speak proper English.

Psshhhht. anyone with functional genitals can love. :D
i mean love without emotions. you wouldnt get that, you arent single.

i mean love without emotions. you wouldnt get that, you arent single.
OK, I'm 19. WHat makes you think I don't get lust? :D

What surprises me is that now (c)rap promotes something? I always saw it as the incoherent mumbling of someone who can neither sing nor speak proper English.

Some incoherent mumblings:


Lucy was 7 and wore a head of blue barettes
City born, into this world with no knowledge and no regrets
Had a piece of yellow chalk with which she'd draw upon the
street
The many faces of the various locals that she would meet
There was joshua, age 10
Bully of the block
Who always took her milk money at the morning bus stop
There was Mrs. Crabtree, and her poodle
She always gave a wave and holler on her weekly trip down to the
bingo
parlor
And she drew
Men, women, kids, sunsets, clouds
And she drew
Skyscrapers, fruit stands, cities, towns
Always said hello to passers-by
They'd ask her why she passed her time
Attachin lines to concrete
But she would only smile
Now all the other children living in or near her building
Ran around like tyrants, soaking up the open fire hydrants
They would say
'Hey little Lucy, wanna come jump double dutch?'
Lucy would pause, look, grin and say
'I'm busy, thank you much'
Well, well, one year passed
And believe it or not
She covered every last inch of the entire sidewalk,
And she stopped-
'Lucy, after all this, you're just giving in today??'
She said:
'I'm not giving in, I'm finished,' and walked away

(Chorus: x2)
1 2 3
That's the speed of the seed
A B C
That's the speed of the need
You can dream a little dream
Or you can live a little dream
I'd rather live it
Cuz dreamers always chase
But never get it

Now Lucy was 37, and introverted somewhat
Basement apartment in the same building she grew up in
She traded in her blue barettes for long locks held up with a
clip
Traded in her yellow chalk for charcoal sticks
And she drew
Little bobby who would come to sweep the porch
And she drew
The mailman, delivered everyday at 4
Lucy had very little contact with the folks outside her cubicle
day
But she found it suitable, and she liked it that way
She had a man now: Rico, similar, hermit

They would only see each other once or twice a week on purpose
They appreciated space and Rico was an artist too
So they'd connect on saturdays to share the pictures that they
drew
(Look!)
Now every month or so, she'd get a knock upon the front door
Just one of the neighbors,
Actin nice, although she was a strange girl, really
Say, 'Lucy, wanna join me for some lunch??'
Lucy would smile and say 'I'm busy, thank you much'
And they would make a weird face the second the door shut
And run and tell their friends how truly crazy Lucy was
And lucy knew what people thought but didn't care
Cuz while they spread their rumors through the street
She'd paint another masterpiece

(Chorus x2)

Lucy was 87, upon her death bed
At the senior home, where she had previously checked in
Traded in the locks and clips for a head rest
Traded in the charcoal sticks for arthritis, it had to happen
And she drew no more, just sat and watched the dawn
Had a television in the room that she'd never turned on
Lucy pinned up a life worth's of pictures on the wall
And sat and smiled, looked each one over, just to laugh at it
all
No Rico, he had passed, 'bout 5 years back
So the visiting hours pulled in a big flock o' nothin
She'd never spoken once throughout the spanning of her life
Until the day she leaned forward, grinned and pulled the nurse
aside
And she said:
'Look, I've never had a dream in my life
Because a dream is what you wanna do, but still haven't pursued
I knew what I wanted and did it till it was done
So i've been the dream that I wanted to be since day one!'
Well!
The nurse jumped back,
She'd never heard Lucy even talk,
'Specially words like that
She walked over to the door, and pulled it closed behind
Then Lucy blew a kiss to each one of her pictures
And she died.

(Chorus x2)

1 2 3...
A B C...

OK, I'm 19. WHat makes you think I don't get lust? :D
i stand corrected.

Here's some more violent and incoherent crap.

Yo, yo, check it
It's important, we communicate
and tune the fate of this union, to the right pitch
I never call you my bitch or even my boo
There's so much in a name and so much more in you
Few understand the union of woman and man
And sex and a tingle is where they assume that it land
But that's fly by night for you and the sky I write
For in these cold Chi night's moon, you my light
If heaven had a height, you would be that tall
Ghetto to coffee shop, through you I see that all
Let's stick to understandin and we won't fall
For better or worse times, I hope to me you call
So I pray everyday more than anything
friends will stay as we begin to lay
this foundation for a family - love ain't simple
Why can't it be anything worth having you work at annually
Granted we known each other for some time
It don't take a whole day to recognize sunshine

It's kinda fresh you listen to more than hip-hop
and I can catch you in the mix from beauty to thrift shop
Plus you ship hop when it's time to, thinkin you fresh
Suggestin beats I should rhyme to
At times when I'm lost I try to find you
You know to give me space when it's time to
My heart's dictionary defines you, it's love and happiness
Truthfully it's hard tryin to practice abstinence
The time we committed love it was real good
Had to be for me to arrive and it still feel good
I know the sex ain't gon' keep you, but as my equal
it's how I must treat you
As my reflection in light I'ma lead you
And whatever's right, I'ma feed you
Digga-da, digga-da, digga-da, digga-digga-da-da
Yo I tell you the rest when I see you, peace

i stand corrected.
the only reason i ever started being interested in sharon was because her incredably nice ass cought my eye. Then i started talking to her, and found her to be interesting. THen we got drunk at a v-day party and she declared em her boyfriend as i groped the aforementioned ass rather intently. Of course, that's the abridged version. THere was a littel more to it than that, but it think it'll do. :D

PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE FREEDOM TO MAKE OFFENSIVE CDS LIKE THIS. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE FREEDOM TO PRODUCE INFERIOR MUSIC THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT. OFFENDERS SHOULD BE SHOT AND KILLED WITHOUT QUESTIONING.

All Hail the Sultan, Don of Donopia!

This fellow would be a good rapper.

http://www.collegehumor.com/?movie_id=81816

Couldn't agree more!
just like "rheinlandistan" and "music critic"

This music disgusts me.... I think these students should be in labor units...

typical rapper behavior (http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2005/02/06/johnston_students_suspended_for_homemade_rap_cd/)

How odd that the educators at the school, the principal included, didn't think that maybe keeping them in school and trying to teach them that there is more to life than what they rapped about would have been a better idea than suspending them so that they have more free time to rap about and possibly do the things that they mentioned on the CD...

You know, I just took you off my ignore list and this was the first post I saw.

Back to the ignore list you go...

Careful, I said something similar and I was warned to stop taunting.

Careful, I said something similar and I was warned to stop taunting.

Okay. Do you reckon it would be a good idea to delete it?

BUMP! :D

Because i find the posts on this thread generally interesting.

Plus there's something strangely fun about bumping. ;)

Plus there's something strangely fun about bumping. ;)

Bumping is pretty fun, especially when you make your bumps a bit creative, like "bumpzilla attacks Tokyo!"

"bumpzilla attacks Tokyo!"
I love you! :fluffle:

oh boy...
*scurries off to contemplate humorous bumps over a pint of cider*

I love you! :fluffle:

oh boy...
*scurries off to contemplate humorous bumps over a pint of cider*

Please do not spam.

I think this thread is starting to die.

PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE FREEDOM TO MAKE OFFENSIVE CDS LIKE THIS. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE FREEDOM TO PRODUCE INFERIOR MUSIC THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT. OFFENDERS SHOULD BE SHOT AND KILLED WITHOUT QUESTIONING.

All Hail the Sultan, Don of Donopia!

with comments like this...yea.... it's starting to die

Yeah, its a shame, there was some good debating for a while...

Yeah, its a shame, there was some good debating for a while...

It's probably best you go into Moderation and ask them to lock it down. The thread hasn't had any real good additions to the debate for a few pages now.

I'll just let it die. I've wasted enough of the mods' time for a while.

It's probably best you go into Moderation and ask them to lock it down. The thread hasn't had any real good additions to the debate for a few pages now.
Judging by the thread name, I dobut there were very many good additions at all, probably a bunch of racism and plain ignorance

OOC: to a man, sensitivity training is the worst thing that could happen to them, what ever happened to free speech?
its possible the parents thought of it as inappropriate, but,
if they believe this is the first time gettin some lovin has been aired on radio, music has a lot to teach them..the trench coat mafia is far more dangerous then just raunchy music.. he has killed one man, he is now not long for this world, iosef dzhugushvieili stalin killed millions then died naturaly.. a true gangsta , untouchable till the end, he had a whole country behind him... a true empire, leon trotsky was to be lenins succsesor, stalin had him killed, lenin advised against stalin, saying he was crazy... lenin was right.. why was he crazy? he was beaten so bad as a child, his right arm was paralyzed partially, and his head mentally was not quite right, being afraid of your own family is what rough hood life is.... being afraid that your own country that you love would kill you, in front of your own mother, really is what rough life is all about( the anti communist purges)da hood has nothing on reality, they think they have it rough living in the usa,where the country has welfare, vocational rehab, clinics, homeless shelters, they have it easy, live in old east berlin, no food, everybody wants to leave, but they get shot trying, your wife shows she finally had her baby you helped create, and you get shot trying to see her and your son.. yes they did deserve some of what they got by stabbing russia in the back, and ing all those people in poland.. true, though turing around and doing the same thing back at them (revenge) seldom sovles things..

one is a tragedy, one million s a statistic..

OOC: to a man, sensitivity training is the worst thing that could happen to them, what ever happened to free speech?
its possible the parents thought of it as inappropriate, but,
if they believe this is the first time gettin some lovin has been aired on radio, music has a lot to teach them..the trench coat mafia is far more dangerous then just raunchy music.. he has killed one man, he is now not long for this world, iosef dzhugushvieili stalin killed millions then died naturaly.. a true gangsta , untouchable till the end, he had a whole country behind him... a true empire, leon trotsky was to be lenins succsesor, stalin had him killed, lenin advised against stalin, saying he was crazy... lenin was right.. why was he crazy? he was beaten so bad as a child, his right arm was paralyzed partially, and his head mentally was not quite right, being afraid of your own family is what rough hood life is.... being afraid that your own country that you love would kill you, in front of your own mother, really is what rough life is all about( the anti communist purges)da hood has nothing on reality, they think they have it rough living in the usa,where the country has welfare, vocational rehab, clinics, homeless shelters, they have it easy, live in old east berlin, no food, everybody wants to leave, but they get shot trying, your wife shows she finally had her baby you helped create, and you get shot trying to see her and your son.. yes they did deserve some of what they got by stabbing russia in the back, and ing all those people in poland.. true, though turing around and doing the same thing back at them (revenge) seldom sovles things..

one is a tragedy, one million s a statistic..


Are you drunk, stoned, or both? I can't read a single thing you said...

It was all right until they added the names of students, that was crossing a line. If they had sold it off of school grounds that wouldn't have been a problem either.