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It would seem that the uproar is coming from the parents, not the students. Notice how it was the parents of the girls named in the songs that was the focus of the charges? No, not the glock line, but the lines involving girls having sex. Sounds to me like a group of delusional parents who can't stomach the truth. They just can't believe that they're little baby girl would affiliated with such actions. I can't believe that someone was so ignorant to say that rap caused this. Does anyone recognize what else is out there? What if a rocker sang about the same thing? would rock be blamed? I doubt it.

Only Jews that have Norweigan to Italian skin

Please, Kahta, as a fellow Massachusettsian, i beg of you...

STOP MAKING US LOOK BAD!

So you support Hitler's delusion?


Jewish is no more a race than Xtian or Hindu. You cannot become white (Michael Jackson demonstrated that for us), you can become Jewish.
It depends on what you mean. I do believe Jewish is a race, but no, I don't believe persecuting them is a good idea. You can become Jewish, true, but you can't become Jewish (the race). In the medical literature, you'll find this acknowledged all the time. When I interview a patient, I ask them if they are Jewish (the race) because Jews are more prone to things like Tay-Sachs, while non-Jewish whites are more prone to cystic fibrosis. Prone as in you can be born with them if you are born into a family of a given race. So there are differences, genetically. Whether the differences are great enought to call it a separate "race" is I guess a bit of a judgement call. But the differences are there, and anyone with experience in genetics will tell you so. And Hindu was a bad choice, because you cannot convert to Hinduism. That is something you have to be born into, because of the whole reincarnation thing. Christian, of course, is not a race, neither is the Jewish religion.

Ok im aggainst this.. not because i like rap cause there is alot i dont like.. but there is alot i do at the same time.. i have listened to Eminem i like alot of his songs especially when he is singing about his daughter.. there is nothing wrong there.. he will bitch about his wife and all but that is simply frustration being let out in a more.. productive way.. its like artist who splatter paint on a canvis. the colors they suse represent how they feel. yea its art.. but music is the same way.. you have a sheet of paper before you and you write.. and when its done you pievce it together and put it to a rythem. thats it.. most likely these kids wer epissed and put it all out onto a record. and hell why not sell it.. noww i dont fully agree with selling it in school but none the less i think to big of a deal is being made.. as far as the girls.. and quoting from the article....

"What I know is that the parents that contacted me are the parents of the young girls that are mentioned on the tape,"

ok... can someone tell me.. How do you know if your Daughter is loose? it isnt like every single girl or guy out there tells their parents every single thing.. and if confronted who is to say they dont lie... all it is is a suburban neighborhood hooked on oldies and country and when somethign new comes in they get firghtened of it. personally.. Thats a stupid reaons to be pissed.. be pissed for them selling it in school... but why ppunuish them for anythign else?

but why ppunuish them for anythign else?
Are you familiar with the term 'slander'? This case has lawsuit written all over it.

im familiar with the term however.. as i said before.. who is to say what they said isnt true? it isnt exactly slander if the girls they talk about are sleeping around... its telling the truth..

1. I'm upper-middle class within the top 1% of incomes.
2. Did I state anything, correctly, that my race is better?
3. IQ tests, and the general state of the world has proven that my race is superior.
no kahta
youre PARENTS are upper middle class within the top 1% of incomes

you are a teenaged boy who makes no money.

you are as much a leech on society as the ghetto teen who is being raised by his mother on welfare.

"Guns don't kill people, rappers do."

im familiar with the term however.. as i said before.. who is to say what they said isnt true? it isnt exactly slander if the girls they talk about are sleeping around... its telling the truth..

Why are you assuming that what this young 'gentleman' says is true?

IQ tests, and the general state of the world has proven that my race is superior
You're an Ashkenazi Jew?

"Guns don't kill people, rappers do."
*Claps*

D34th to rap!!!!

"Guns don't kill people, rappers do."

How true...

Kahta is just being a prick... we should just ignore him and take consolation in the inverse relationship between sexual activity and posting in International Incidents.

How true...

Fortunatly for us, they kill each other more than anything.... Well, that's the Darwin Award for you! :D

Fortunatly for us, they kill each other more than anything.... Well, that's the Darwin Award for you! :D
In the United States, 75% of murderers have previous felonious convictions...so do 66% of murder victims.

*Claps*
i'm surrounded by idiots, hurray

I'll give you the KKK one. That was hyperbole. But you really ought to consider BJU. You'd find a bunch of people who think like you do.


No, I won't because they're very far to the right, I'm in the center.

Center... and yet you'd lock someone up for swearing in a movie theatre?

o_0

Center... and yet you'd lock someone up for swearing in a movie theatre?

o_0
shh, hes in denial

no kahta
youre PARENTS are upper middle class within the top 1% of incomes

you are a teenaged boy who makes no money.

you are as much a leech on society as the ghetto teen who is being raised by his mother on welfare.

How is my economic class any different than that of my parents? They were upper middle class, my grandfather on my mothers side is still working as a civil engineer, and my grandfather on my dads side owned a hardware store and restored houses.

At the moment I'm not making any money, but that is due to the fact I don't have a car, because I need money to get a car, but I need a car to get money. I'll have to borrow my dad's Explorer (because its not being given to me) so that I can work, and get a job, so I can buy my own car, most likley a Cadillac.

And I'm not a leech on society, because I'm not taking any money from society through welfare, free/reduced lunch at school, subsidized housing, and I have significantly more purchasing power than the ghetto kid.

Center... and yet you'd lock someone up for swearing in a movie theatre?

o_0

Yes, because vulgarities are not protected in the 1st ammendment.

Kahta is just being a prick... we should just ignore him and take consolation in the inverse relationship between sexual activity and posting in International Incidents.


So, my decision to abstain from sex, and using women as sex objects is a bad thing?

Nah, it's when you come across as wanting others to stop that, then it's a bad thing.

So, my decision to abstain from sex, and using women as sex objects is a bad thing?
You'll never get laid anyways.

Yes, because vulgarities are not protected in the 1st ammendment.

Yes they are.

"The legitimate powers of government reach actions only and not opinions." --Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, 1802.
"[The] liberty of speaking and writing... guards our other liberties." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Philadelphia Democratic Republicans, 1808. ME 16:304

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Yes, because vulgarities are not protected in the 1st ammendment.
They would HAVE to be. Because otherwise one could easily define pretty much anything that one finds offensive as a vulgarity, and bingo, its banned! Censorship, especially of something, in this case, not that bad, is definitely not a good thing. You might think it protects you until you realise that someone you don't agree with is in power, and now hes banning what you say.....

Yes, because vulgarities are not protected in the 1st ammendment.

Hmmm... who should I believe on this one, some bloke on the internet that provides no evidence to back up his claims, or the US Supreme Court?

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=403&invol=15

Hmmm... who should I believe on this one, some bloke on the internet that provides no evidence to back up his claims, or the US Supreme Court?

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=403&invol=15
i believe he was mixing vulgarity with obscenity(which is not protected speach and completely ignoring indecency which is kinda protected)

I don't think anybody said that racist statements by blacks were any less racist than ones by whites, did they?
Maybe not on these forums, but it seems to be one of the core tents of the Democratic party.

This music disgusts me.... I think these students should be in labor units...

typical rapper behavior (http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2005/02/06/johnston_students_suspended_for_homemade_rap_cd/)

It's a free market. I'd prefer people to sing about glocks than use them to knock over convenience stores. If people want to pay money to listen to their work, what's wrong with that? Are you a communist or something?

The subject matter may not be appealing to you, but don't blame the messenger in this case - the message is that they (and you) are living in a time and place where disenfranchised youth see violence as a reasonable means to resolve purported inequities. And why shouldn't they?

I'm are good Chrisitan.You a Bushie Christian.

nothing good about that.

So, my decision to abstain from sex, and using women as sex objects is a bad thing?I suspect that your "abstinance" has more to do with a decision by those women than any you made. Nice spin though.

Jewish is not a race, and there are black and asian jews.
Only if they were born to a Jewish mother, which means that there is a racial bloodline.

Anyone can convert to Judaism.

With regards to the CD, I have no problem until they started identifying other members of the student body. Unless such students are trading on their celebrity, they have some expectation of privacy. It is generally considered deflamatory to publish accounts of people's private lives that might bring people into disrepute, unless there is some conflicting news worthiness attached to doing so (or at least this is so where I live). Celebrities due to the very nature of celebrity (it is considered that by choosing to be famous, such people are choosing to be less 'private' and are aware that what they do is more likely to fall within the rubix of 'newsworthy') generally recieve less protection in this regard. The fact is, it is not newsworthy that some teens engage in promiscuous activities, and so even if true, there is no cause to publish identifying details of this. Free speech would fall apart pretty quick if everyone feared that if they picked their nose, it would end up on the front page of the Times.

Where I live it isnt lawful to publish intrusive non-newsworthy accounts of people's private lives that bring the person into disrepute, if the person concerned does not 'trade' or profit from their identity/image. I dont see any need to know that a teenaged girl slept with X number of people, I see it as being a personal aspect of a private person's personal life, if people wish to publish details of their own lives without identifying other private person's personal business, fine and well, however I value my privacy, and I extend the same value to other people's privacy. Free speech is intended to prevent censor of ideas and information, not to promote or allow people's privacy to be intruded on.

I dont see that the fact these people chose to employ rap music is any reason to blame all such music. I know many rap/hip hop artists who produce music that is positive, expressive and inspiring.

y'all take rap too seriously. its all in the heads of the fools that listen to the music. rap is an open-ended valid expression of oneself and how y'all take the music to meaning is totally up to you. if you dont have someone in your life tellin you that it aint all real and there are other ways to express yourself, the kinda shit like columbine happens because people take the rap game too seriously and that leads to shit like some mothaf**ka pretendin to be all gangsta and shootin up his homies. i know if y'all went and talked to DMX, The WC, 50Cent and rap names, you'd see that it aint all hardcore s*** like some people take it to be. i mean seriously, DMX, who is a father, aint gonna go shoot up a mothaf**kin school because he heard some rap song bout killin and stealin. most rappers utilize the rap game to get their message out. i think y'all who are against the rap game need to sit down and think. just cauze some rappa swear and talk about killin, dont mean he encouraging it,cuz at the end the rappers i listen to make a message, that if you have any brains atall, you can hear and understand. the overall message in this post is that not all rap is bad, and you just need to be educated enough to understand which rap is good, and which rap is bad.

With regards to the CD, I have no problem until they started identifying other members of the student body.

Those girls shouldn't have been sluts then...

Hate to make my response sound retarded...but that's the basis of it.

Those girls shouldn't have been sluts then...

Hate to make my response sound retarded...but that's the basis of it.
What accusations were attached to the identified individuals in no way is relevent to my opinion.

Evidently why should they not be promiscuous? Fankly if private citizens, in their capacity as private citizens are breaking no laws, unless their identity/role renders it otherwise, their private life is their own and ought to remain so.

This music disgusts me.... I think these students should be in labor units...

typical rapper behavior (http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2005/02/06/johnston_students_suspended_for_homemade_rap_cd/)
I could sing it in RnB for you? Would that help?

Oh, and I'm 43.

...and I like rap.
I'm 18, and don't.

Between the tow of us, maybe it would be safe to say that stereotypes are misrepresenting and often downright wrong. Maybe even those about rappers... Some of the best people I knew in HS were in local rap groups.

Celebrities... generally recieve less protection in this regard.Celebrities are exempted from Privacy laws?

Is that a writen law...or you are just making that up?

Celebrities are exempted from Privacy laws?

Is that a writen law...or you are just making that up?

in the us i believe it works something like this. if you are a public figure you have less protection of your privacy because your actions are within the public domain. people have a right to publically discuss you both positively and negatively that they don't have with a strictly private citizen.

Yes, because vulgarities are not protected in the 1st ammendment.
What version of the Bill of Rights are you reading from?

Yes, because vulgarities are not protected in the 1st ammendment.

So when you make reference to the act of getting fucked up the ass, like here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8078051&postcount=12), that according to you is unprotected speech?

So when you make reference to the act of getting fucked up the ass, like here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8078051&postcount=12), that according to you is unprotected speech?
pwn3d :D

You'll never get laid anyways.

Yes, I will. Also, welcome to my i-nore list.

What version of the Bill of Rights are you reading from?


The one where the ammendments are explained in the Federalist Papers. The Federalist papers do not mention allowing vulgarities.

Does it mention not allowing them?

I suspect that your "abstinance" has more to do with a decision by those women than any you made. Nice spin though.


No. If I wanted to get laid, I could have done so a long time ago.

Does it mention not allowing them?

The first ammendment pertains to freedom of poltical speech. Not vulgarities.

Rap music sucks. What it promotes sucks. Its not even a song, there is a drum and a guy who doesnt sing any sort of vocals.

y'all take rap too seriously. its all in the heads of the fools that listen to the music. rap is an open-ended valid expression of oneself and how y'all take the music to meaning is totally up to you. if you dont have someone in your life tellin you that it aint all real and there are other ways to express yourself, the kinda shit like columbine happens because people take the rap game too seriously and that leads to shit like some mothaf**ka pretendin to be all gangsta and shootin up his homies. i know if y'all went and talked to DMX, The WC, 50Cent and rap names, you'd see that it aint all hardcore s*** like some people take it to be. i mean seriously, DMX, who is a father, aint gonna go shoot up a mothaf**kin school because he heard some rap song bout killin and stealin. most rappers utilize the rap game to get their message out. i think y'all who are against the rap game need to sit down and think. just cauze some rappa swear and talk about killin, dont mean he encouraging it,cuz at the end the rappers i listen to make a message, that if you have any brains atall, you can hear and understand. the overall message in this post is that not all rap is bad, and you just need to be educated enough to understand which rap is good, and which rap is bad.

Learn to speak in some sort of American English, and not ebonics babble, and I'll repsond.

The first ammendment pertains to freedom of poltical speech. Not vulgarities.

Mayhaps because they never thought people would take such offense to a simple vulgar word as to desire its banning?

Those girls shouldn't have been sluts then...

Hate to make my response sound retarded...but that's the basis of it.


And you know for a fact that they are sluts?

Blame the victim...

Mayhaps because they never thought people would take such offense to a simple vulgar word as to desire its banning?

If any of the founding fathers heard rap music, they'd have a heart attack.

Learn to speak in some sort of American English, and not ebonics babble, and I'll repsond.
Kahta, you talk like you would be condescending to the pope. I am not Catholic or anything, but seriously, you find fault with everyone. Cut some slack, loosen up, maybe?

This music disgusts me.... I think these students should be in labor units...

typical rapper behavior (http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2005/02/06/johnston_students_suspended_for_homemade_rap_cd/)


And what kinda music do you listen to?

Have you listened to every rap tape out there? IF not then how can you call it typical? If so then you are lying by calling it typical or at teh very least have a very poor sense of what the word "typical" means.

I in fact have heard a large number of rappers talk about peace,love and spiritual/religious matters. I will oft hear them rap about political issues and voice their opinions on injustices done by those in power.

The fact is that coporate rappers (I mean those whose CD's are being sold by big corporate labels) have the most hardcore lyrics - all abotu drugs and violence and abuse of women. This is beign promoted by corporations for some reason over the multitudes of very conscious rap that I heard which would never follow such a path.

If any of the founding fathers heard rap music, they'd have a heart attack.

Evidence for this assertion, please?

Do you seriously believe that narratives of unlicensed sexual conduct and murder only appeared in popular song with the rise of rap music? If so then I lament your non-existent grasp on the vivid panoply of American folk music.

If any of the founding fathers heard rap music, they'd have a heart attack.If any of the founding fathers could feresee that one day 58 millions ****ts would vote for a moron like Bush...They would feel the irresitible urge to puke on the "NationalTreasure"...

but they would not ban Bush descendants from the rigth to run for office.(even if that left a very bad taste on their mouths)
...and likewise they would never ban any kind of music...even If they hate it.

I think that rappers should be sent to labor camps, they degrade women, promote violence, promote truancy, promote drug use, and in general do nothing positive.

That's where the market is. Take a look at some "Old School Rap." Plenty of that was rapping about how the underclasses of society have it within their power to make something positive out of their lives. The whole "stay in school, work hard, persevere, and strive for peace and tolerance" ethic. Then suberbia started listening so it all had to become something scary, exotic, and fake. Rap is doing nothing to society. Society shapes all art, even one as base and vulgar as modern rap.

I'm 28, and I hate rap. But I have the decency to hate it on a strictly artistic and asthetic level.

Except for this guy. (http://frontalot.untimelydeath.com/mc_frontalot_-_indier_than_thou.mp3) who I've already plugged in the "political rap" thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8147582#post8147582)

I'm 28, and I hate rap. But I have the decency to hate it on a strictly artistic and asthetic level.

Except for this guy. (http://frontalot.untimelydeath.com/mc_frontalot_-_indier_than_thou.mp3) who I've already plugged in the "political rap" thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8147582#post8147582)

Have you encountered Consolidated (http://www.swerquin.net/consolidated.htm)?

i am utterly horrified that any school or organization receiving government funding would even consider blocking freedom of speech. unless you support freedom of speech that you don't like, you don't support freedom of speech at all...supporting "freedom to say things that don't offend me" isn't worth spit. that high school has just taught every one of its students to disregard one of America's most cherished values. i am deeply ashamed of every parent and administrator who was responsible for punishing those student, and even more ashamed of those who stood by while this injustice occured.

i am further sickened by the knowledge that yet another generation of Americans is being reared to believe that Powers That Be should tell them what they can say and hear. if the girls who's names were mentioned in that rap felt slandered they could take legal action, and they are the ONLY people with any right to block any portion of that music from being made or owned. if you don't like somebody's music, DON'T LISTEN TO IT. if you don't want your kids to listen to something, BE A BLOODY PARENT AND TAKE CARE OF IT YOURSELF. otherwise, shut up and let people get on with their lives.

And what kinda music do you listen to?

Have you listened to every rap tape out there? IF not then how can you call it typical? If so then you are lying by calling it typical or at teh very least have a very poor sense of what the word "typical" means.

I in fact have heard a large number of rappers talk about peace,love and spiritual/religious matters. I will oft hear them rap about political issues and voice their opinions on injustices done by those in power.

The fact is that coporate rappers (I mean those whose CD's are being sold by big corporate labels) have the most hardcore lyrics - all abotu drugs and violence and abuse of women. This is beign promoted by corporations for some reason over the multitudes of very conscious rap that I heard which would never follow such a path.


1. Rock and classical.
2. I know its typical, because people that listen to rap music are more likley to commit crimes than someone that listens to classical music, like myself. Is it a coincidence that black people are more likley to commit a crime, and they are fans of rap music?
3. Usually that injustice is a "john" beating a "ho" and the rapper pulls a "9" and "busts a cap"
4. Yes, and people want to follow success, so they act like corporate rappers, which make a majority of rap music sold.

1. Rock and classical.
2. I know its typical, because people that listen to rap music are more likley to commit crimes than someone that listens to classical music, like myself. Is it a coincidence that black people are more likley to commit a crime, and they are fans of rap music?
3. Usually that injustice is a "john" beating a "ho" and the rapper pulls a "9" and "busts a cap"
4. Yes, and people want to follow success, so they act like corporate rappers, which make a majority of rap music sold.

hmmm I've heard lots of rock songs that that talk about drugs and lots of them that talk about using women for sex. So your point in invalid.

And its really a class issue and not a race issue as to who commits the most crimes (well the rich commit lots of financial crimes but they get away with it because they can afford decent lawyers). But because black people are so downtrodden by society (especially by people like you who generalize and hold a negative view about black people like you just did), they remain largely poor and are angry because there is a system that is keeping them down.

You are also the one who was calling asians "chinks" and the cars they produce "jap crap" isnt that right? I really feel sorry for you and all that unnecessary hate you hold on so dearly to.

Well I hope that you can find peace in your heart someday, and are able to accept everybody no matter what they believe, or what their race or color of skin is as your brothers and sister of the human race.

But anyway... you have no idea what is typical in Rap music because you dont listen to it. You only know what little you ahve heard and yes there is crappy violent rap out there but there is TONS AND TONS of very conscious good hearted rap that is about lifting people up and empowering them to do good for themselves and other.

YOu shoudl really be blaming corporations for promoting hate and womanizing and heavy drug use. They have other talent to choose from which is very good and popular in underground circles.

hmmm I've heard lots of rock songs that that talk about drugs and lots of them that talk about using women for sex. So your point in invalid.

And its really a class issue and not a race issue as to who commits the most crimes (well the rich commit lots of financial crimes but they get away with it because they can afford decent lawyers). But because black people are so downtrodden by society (especially by people like you who generalize and hold a negative view about black people like you just did), they remain largely poor and are angry because there is a system that is keeping them down.

You are also the one who was calling asians "chinks" and the cars they produce "jap crap" isnt that right? I really feel sorry for you and all that unnecessary hate you hold on so dearly to.

Well I hope that you can find peace in your heart someday, and are able to accept everybody no matter what they believe as your brothers and sister of the human race.

But anyway... you have no idea what is typical in Rap music because you dont listen to it. You only know what little you ahve heard and yes there is crappy violent rap out there but there is TONS AND TONS of very conscious good hearted rap that is about lifting people up and empowering them to do good for themselves and other.

YOu shoudl really be blaming corporations for promoting hate and womanizing and heavy drug use. They have other talent to choose from which is very good and popular in underground circles.

1. Not every rock song is about violence, gangs, sex, or drugs. Virtually every rap song is.

2. Then why is it that wherever blacks go, crime follows, such as Detroit, most parts of Boston, Baltimore, New York.... The list is long.... I don't keep them down, they keep themselves down enough. They've had 40 years and all they do is blame whitey for their problems.

3. I was refering to Asian cars as "Jap Crap", and thinking of names to call cars from China. I posted an article about it.

4. Its a species, not a race.

5. No, I've heard enough of it at school from other people to make the decision.

6. Typical communist-liberal response, blame the people that make money and take iniative, not the people that sit on their ass for 35 years and blame others for their problems or "discover" their spirituality.

5. No, I've heard enough of it at school from other people to make the decision.


1. I'm upper-middle class within the top 1% of incomes.

So, you are still at school, but are making within the top 1% of incomes?

1. Rock and classical.
2. I know its typical, because people that listen to rap music are more likley to commit crimes than someone that listens to classical music, like myself. Is it a coincidence that black people are more likley to commit a crime, and they are fans of rap music?
3. Usually that injustice is a "john" beating a "ho" and the rapper pulls a "9" and "busts a cap"
4. Yes, and people want to follow success, so they act like corporate rappers, which make a majority of rap music sold.
I would argue with you but that is all so asinine I can only laugh and pity you

Wow, Kahta is a racist, and an elitist!!! two for the price of one.

"You've heard enough of it at school from other people to make the decision". So, in essence, you've never sat down, listened to an album, dissected it, analyzed it, and come to a conclusion that it was in fact all negative? You've just taken what the word on the street is and jumped on the bandwagon. Oh, we got a real intellecutally gifted critic here....

"Then why is it that wherever blacks go, crime follows"? WTF are you saying here? That crime just never existed before the blacks came in? Taht your oh so perfect whitey world was crime-free before those "awful blacks" moved in? Puh-lease. Trust me, whitey has enough blood and crime on his plate to reconcile for before he starts blaming blacks for the problems in the world.

"Typical communist-liberal response, blame the people that make money and take iniative"? HELLO. These rappers are all about taking initiative, capitalism, and making money. Have you heard any rap song EVER? They are sure as hell are not communists, as they wouldn't rap about "bling", "rims", and 'hoes" otherwise.

And that "jap crap", i won't even get into how blatantly ignorant that comment is. Just because a country can make more of a product that is more efficient and likable than your country, don't take it personally. Its not your fault that VCRs, cars, techno-gadgets, and cartoons across the USA are of Japenese make, not mentioning the gigantic industrial power that is China.

Like DMX says...."Talk is cheap motherfucka!!!"

It's all about the muzak.... :cool:

Kahta, that the same person who made the "Which culture is the best" thread? Man, take your goosestepping somewhere else. I hear Mel Gibson is having another Holocaust Denial party! :D


FYI, crime is more often tied to income than to any abitrary racial lines. Ever wondered why?

Kahta, that the same person who made the "Which culture is the best" thread? Man, take your goosestepping somewhere else. I hear Mel Gibson is having another Holocaust Denial party! :D


FYI, crime is more often tied to income than to any abitrary racial lines. Ever wondered why?
Cause the richer people get away with it more?

"Then why is it that wherever blacks go, crime follows"? WTF are you saying here? That crime just never existed before the blacks came in? Taht your oh so perfect whitey world was crime-free before those "awful blacks" moved in? Puh-lease. Trust me, whitey has enough blood and crime on his plate to reconcile for before he starts blaming blacks for the problems in the world
If he actually did any research he would realize it's mainly location and social status. Blacks in the countryside have no worse a criminal record on average than whites. Of course, another part of the problem is that certain people like the Reverend Jesse Jackson advocate blaming others for their own problems. While others may contribute to those problems to a point, that is all. Responsibility must be taken by those who are afflicted by the problems if they actually wish them to change.

Of course, another part of the problem is that certain people like the Reverend Jesse Jackson advocate blaming others for their own problems.


6. Typical communist-liberal response, blame the people that make money and take iniative, not the people that sit on their ass for 35 years and blame others for their problems or "discover" their spirituality.

Seems to me that the person who is doing the most of blaming others for his problems hee in this thread is young Kahta.

So, you are still at school, but are making within the top 1% of incomes?
Maybe he get a lot of pocket money.

So, you are still at school, but are making within the top 1% of incomes?
gee, do you think we can safely assume that our elitest friend hasn't earned the money and status he enjoys?

2. I know its typical, because people that listen to rap music are more likley to commit crimes than someone that listens to classical music, like myself. Is it a coincidence that black people are more likley to commit a crime, and they are fans of rap music?

From here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Belgium)

In August 1830, stirred by a performance of Auber's La Muette de Portici at the Brussels opera house La Monnaie, the Belgian Revolution broke out, and the country wrested its independence from the Dutch...

Although I suppose it depends if you see treason/revolution as a crime.

Is it a coincidence that black people are more likley to commit a crime, and they are fans of rap music?


Is it a coincidence that black people are more likely to commit a crime, and they are fans of gospel/blues/funk/jazz/reggae/ska/soul?




(*Assumptions:
- that black people are more likely to listen to music of black origin than of other origins
- that Kahta actually has some evidence to show that black people are more likely to commit a crime than other races which isn't just a biased piece of unreliable nonsense like The Color Of Crime)

I, for one, do not like rap in the least. All it does is promote treating women like dirt, being a pimp, violence, drugs, and EXTREMELY BAD GRAMMER ;)....i hate it with a passion, so, becasue of my bias, i will not post on this specific issue.

Is it a coincidence that black people are more likely to commit a crime, and they are fans of gospel/blues/funk/jazz/reggae/ska/soul?




(*Assumptions:
- that black people are more likely to listen to music of black origin than of other origins
- that Kahta actually has some evidence to show that black people are more likely to commit a crime than other races which isn't just a biased piece of unreliable nonsense like The Color Of Crime)


Ska is by no means black...

I, for one, do not like rap in the least. All it does is promote treating women like dirt, being a pimp, violence, drugs, and EXTREMELY BAD GRAMMER ;)....i hate it with a passion, so, becasue of my bias, i will not post on this specific issue.

It really does depend on the rap you listen to. I would call The Black Eyed Peas a rap group, and they don't promote anything like that.

Im glad im not from the US



('Ska is by no means black...' WTF????)

Ska is by no means black...

So, was it the white Jamaicans or the Asian-Jamaicans that invented it then?

This music disgusts me.... I think these students should be in labor units...

typical rapper behavior (http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2005/02/06/johnston_students_suspended_for_homemade_rap_cd/)

It's true. I'm so old that I know that before rap music was invented, teenagers never called each other names, swore, talked about sex or guns, or told other teenagers that some girls they know are sluts.

I think that rappers should be sent to labor camps, they degrade women, promote violence, promote truancy, promote drug use, and in general do nothing positive.

And you sound like the type to blame the victim. If someone did that to one of my friends, I'd break all the windows on their house and slash the tires of their car. Its a matter of respect and privacy.

Lol. It seems you are the hypocrite now as you are encouraging violence and damage of property.

It's true. I'm so old that I know that before rap music was invented, teenagers never called each other names, swore, talked about sex or guns, or told other teenagers that some girls they know are sluts.

OH Please!. What blasphemy! You must be too immature in life to not realize and accept the fact that kids called each other names and cursed WAY back than Rock N' Roll even.

OH Please!. What blasphemy! You must be too immature in life to not realize and accept the fact that kids called each other names and cursed WAY back than Rock N' Roll even.

sorry. i should have used <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags.

sorry. i should have used <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags.

Yes. For that toned response, yes.

So, was it the white Jamaicans or the Asian-Jamaicans that invented it then?

you said "black origin". he said "black".

Yes. For that toned response, yes.

I actually said that before rap music was invented, teenagers didn't call each other names. You must know some pretty dumb people if you don't automatically assume that I'm kidding. Then again, I bet you're american, right?

you said "black origin". he said "black".

It does however, remain a black music, just as rock and roll remains a white music, despite being produced and consumed by people across the racial spectrum.

Lol. It seems you (Kathka) are the hypocrite now as you are encouraging violence and damage of property.
acording to him/her she can comit that crime...and walk free because he is a good christian and some jury would say that his revenge-crime is ok

"Moma, just killed a man/Put a gun against his head, pulled the trigger now he's dead"

I think we should ban all rock as Bohemian Rhapsody is clearly encouraging murder.

I actually said that before rap music was invented, teenagers didn't call each other names. You must know some pretty dumb people if you don't automatically assume that I'm kidding. Then again, I bet you're american, right?

Oh look, Independent Homesteads made a joke. No. I'm not an american.

So much for your little world of knowledge, fool.

we think that the forced labor camp is where the parents should goto. they are blowing this waaaay out of proportion, this state listens to heavy metal and are not the worse for it, the parents are to blame for raising them this way.

Oh look, Independent Homesteads made a joke. No. I'm not an american.

So much for your little world of knowledge, fool.

Lets keep it civil, okay? It's a bit trivial to be bickering about a misunderstanding like that.

Most people that are for banning the "violent" music or its musicians are just uptight anals that have nothing to do in their own life and dedicate all to caring about others' affairs. Also, I think most of them are plain racists, imo.
Talking about how classical music is for the less-suicidal white and rap is for the black.
So wonderful.

It does however, remain a black music, just as rock and roll remains a white music, despite being produced and consumed by people across the racial spectrum.

that's your definition, not necessarily *the* definition

I actually said that before rap music was invented, teenagers didn't call each other names. You must know some pretty dumb people if you don't automatically assume that I'm kidding. Then again, I bet you're american, right?

Oh look, Independent Homesteads made a joke. No. I'm not an american.

So much for your little world of knowledge, fool.

You must know some pretty clever people if you consider a bet to be knowledge. I mean are they *really* always right every time they bet?

You must know some pretty clever people if you consider a bet to be knowledge. I mean are they *really* always right every time they bet?

Fantastic recovery from your own mistake.

Fantastic recovery from your own mistake.

I made a bet, I lost the bet. I don't consider gambling to be a mistake. And I don't consider losing a bet to be shameful.

Most people that are for banning the "violent" music or its musicians are just uptight anals that have nothing to do in their own life and dedicate all to caring about others' affairs. Also, I think most of them are plain racists, imo.
Talking about how classical music is for the less-suicidal white and rap is for the black.
So wonderful.


I'm just surprised that nobody has mentioned Plato yet.

that's your definition, not necessarily *the* definition

True, but in your opinion is ska closer to white music or black music?

I'm just surprised that nobody has mentioned Plato yet.

I'm not. I guess we must come from different worlds.

I'm not. I guess we must come from different worlds.

You at least get the reference though? - his desire to ban the poets and musicians from the Republic because of their supposed negative effect on the populace.

True, but in your opinion is ska closer to white music or black music?

it is of black origin, but by dint of its fantastic qualities, ska is now world music. Ska is in spanish, french, arabic and south american music that i know of. UK ska two-tone style is, eponymously two-tone. as far as my limited knowledge goes, US current ska is mostly white. i think ska and reggae both are international, global etc.

I would personally use "black music" and "white music" to mean music that black/white people make and listen to right now.

Now I am sure this has been stated before
Irregardless of how inappropriate the material what right did the school have to take action? (they said the cd was made off school grounds) and they never actually said it was distributed at school (though I doubt the rule if they have one for CD distribution is as hefty as these kids got)

You at least get the reference though? - his desire to ban the poets and musicians from the Republic because of their supposed negative effect on the populace.

i'd forgotten that. pol pot had a similar idea. so did mao. stalin and hitler co-opted the ones they could and banned the ones they couldn't which is probably a step up the ladder of utopian evolution. I think we should ban the printing press too. It encourages pornography.

it is of black origin, but by dint of its fantastic qualities, ska is now world music. Ska is in spanish, french, arabic and south american music that i know of. UK ska two-tone style is, eponymously two-tone. as far as my limited knowledge goes, US current ska is mostly white. i think ska and reggae both are international, global etc.

I would personally use "black music" and "white music" to mean music that black/white people make and listen to right now.

Fair enough, but I still take issue with the claim made by Autocraticama:
Ska is by no means black...

Fair enough, but I still take issue with the claim made by Autocraticama:
Ska is by no means black...

er yeah. there are many means by which ska is black.

i'd forgotten that. pol pot had a similar idea. so did mao. stalin and hitler co-opted the ones they could and banned the ones they couldn't which is probably a step up the ladder of utopian evolution. I think we should ban the printing press too. It encourages pornography.

We could always just follow Pol Pot's example and kill all the people that wear glasses - they are either dangerous intellectuals, or have ruined their eyes by looking at too much pron in the darkness.

I'm not sure if this question has been asked before, but what colour were the students involved? It seems to have been assumed that they were black, because they're rappers.

I'm not sure if this question has been asked before, but what colour were the students involved? It seems to have been assumed that they were black, because they're rappers.

i have made no assumptions at all about their colour. their colour has not crossed my mind. nor have i assumed that eminem and adrock are black.

I'm not sure if this question has been asked before, but what colour were the students involved? It seems to have been assumed that they were black, because they're rappers.
For some reason I have the urge to say 'upper class white kids trying to be cool'. Bit like the actors in that american thing......yeah, the OC. That guy in the one of them that said 'welcome to the OC, bitch'.

i have made no assumptions at all about their colour. their colour has not crossed my mind. nor have i assumed that eminem and adrock are black.

I had Kahta's comments about black people in mind when I posted that.

i have made no assumptions at all about their colour. their colour has not crossed my mind. nor have i assumed that eminem and adrock are black.

I guess the real question here is whether rappers such as the Beastie Boys are classified as 'white' or 'jewish' according to Kahta's argument based upon The Bell Curve.

We went from picking cotton
To chain gang line chopping
To Be-Bopping
To Hip-Hopping
Blues people got the blue chip stock option
Invisible man, got the whole world watching

I don't really give a rat's ass about these kids. Far as I can tell, they're morons aping morons. What I give a rat's ass about is that Eminem and 50 Cent and Puffy and Biggy get the world stage and what do they use it for? Repeating the same line about money, clothes, and hos that hasn't been improved on since Sir Mix-a-lot and the Geto Boys.

I'm not saying that these kids shouldn't be allowed to say what they want. Just that they look up to shitheads.

I don't really give a rat's ass about these kids. Far as I can tell, they're morons aping morons. What I give a rat's ass about is that Eminem and 50 Cent and Puffy and Biggy get the world stage and what do they use it for? Repeating the same line about money, clothes, and hos that hasn't been improved on since Sir Mix-a-lot and the Geto Boys.

I'm not saying that these kids shouldn't be allowed to say what they want. Just that they look up to shitheads.
have you ever heard a eminem song or beastie boys song? and biggy is dead - for several years now.

if your going to try and insult people at least TRY to be SOMEWHERE informed

This music disgusts me.... I think these students should be in labor units...

typical rapper behavior (http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2005/02/06/johnston_students_suspended_for_homemade_rap_cd/)

I think you are rather disrimitory Kahta, you display your anti black sentiment anytime you see fit. Let it be in your RPs or the general board. I just dont get it really?

have you ever heard a eminem song or beastie boys song? and biggy is dead - for several years now.

if your going to try and insult people at least TRY to be SOMEWHERE informed

Yes, I have heard a great deal of Eminem and the Beasties (you'll notice that I didn't include the Beasties above: I don't think they're guilty of slinging the same sort of malignant static). And yes, I'm aware that Biggy is dead. But, just as this doesn't seem to keep him or Pac from producing records, it doesn't change the content of his records either.

I think I am SOMEWHERE informed. I'm not trying to be insulting, but I stand by my statement: Rap is, as Mos Def recognizes, the latest step in a long struggle for attention and recognition. We go from jazz to Ralph Ellison to Langston Hughes to what? 50 Cent, Eminem, and Juvenile? Get the hell out. There's this great stage. The whole world is listening. And what are they saying? "Money, clothes, and hos, all a nubian knows." These guys are a disgrace. We need less 50 Cent, less Nelly, and more Talib Kweli and more Common.

gangster rap music is stupid, everywhere now there are cannabis leaves and kids promoting drugs, shootings and racism

From here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Belgium)



Although I suppose it depends if you see treason/revolution as a crime.


Wow, one instance out of ALL the classical music?

Kahta, that the same person who made the "Which culture is the best" thread? Man, take your goosestepping somewhere else. I hear Mel Gibson is having another Holocaust Denial party! :D


FYI, crime is more often tied to income than to any abitrary racial lines. Ever wondered why?


Its because people of lower incomes, tend to have lower intelligence, and black people tend to have lower intelligence levels.

For the record, I know for a fact the Holocaust existed. About 6 Million Jews, and 6 million people of other backrounds were killed.

Its because people of lower incomes, tend to have lower intelligence, and black people tend to have lower intelligence levels.


Lower incomes therefore lower intelligence, or lower intelligence therefore lower income?

Lower incomes therefore lower intelligence, or lower intelligence therefore lower income?

both.

Jobs that pay lower tend to need less skills and lower intelligence levels, than jobs that pay high, such as corporate executives.

Wow, one instance out of ALL the classical music?
Actually, the Italian Unification under Victor Emmanuel was also stimulated/supported by Verdi, whose name was seen as an acronym for Victor Emmanuel Regis D'Italia or Victor Emmanuel King of Italy. And even if it is one example, surely revolutions kill many more people than isolated violence "caused" by rap. However, in defense of your point, prison wardens in Britain have discovered that if they play classical music over the intercoms in volatile situations, such as when prisoners are being moved or unloaded, they have far fewer violent incidents than when they play pop music. Not just rap, but pop in general. I'll dig up the reference if anyone is interested.

As far as all your points go about blacks being the ones who are committing these crimes, solely based on race, they fall through when you consider Britain. There the lower classes are largely white, andd have largely the same problems we see in the American black population. It isn't a racial thing, but a class thing, as others have said.

Yeah promoting drugs and free sex, no other generations have done that :rolleyes: . Come on people its just music, every generation hates the trends in the following one.

They should make norwegian-style black metal and burn down churches instead.

;)

Yeah promoting drugs and free sex, no other generations have done that :rolleyes: . Come on people its just music, every generation hates the trends in the following one.
it was jazz that started all this crap, i know it... well jazz or delta blues...

or maybe vaudeville... yeah all this sex and drugs and fighting crap can be traced back to either jazz, delta blues or vaudeville, the musical forms o' the devil...


well then there were the 12 century french trubadors...

They should make norwegian-style black metal and burn down churches instead.

;)

and don't forget the brain eating, bandmate skull shard necklace making, real suicide photo album art creating groove...

and black people tend to have lower intelligence levels.



You really must show me an article that proves this, and not just some white supremacy crap.

and don't forget the brain eating, bandmate skull shard necklace making, real suicide photo album art creating groove...

Ah yes, of course. Then there's the essential plot to take over the country by raping the daughter of the head of state, and the necrophilia, and the bandmate-murdering.

Disturbing.

The kid is 14 years old.
I bet his parents never put him over their knee and spanked him when he was younger.
The kid probably has no dicipline.

Labor unit, all the way.

So these guys (in their free time) recorded, marketed and successfully sold CD's. Whats wrong with that?

Fair enough mentioning girls names and calling them loose was a bad call, but I still dont see the justification in their punishment. To sell 50 copies in 1 school is pretty good as well. What, exactly, is disgusting about this?....and I've certainly heard more graphic lyrics than 'grab a Glock/cock it back/kill everyone'.

I hope they learn their lesson though, and next time sell their CD's outside school property so that the school cant touch them. And hey, should any of the rappers read this, I wouldnt mind a copy of the CD myself - get me at ryanclarke23@hotmail.com :D

By the way, Im 25 and European. So Im not an ex hippy, and I've also got a well paid job and a nice appartment. From reading some of the posts on here i think a lot of you need to loosen up. The irresponsible people arent the ones who write songs, they are the ones who use songs etc as justification for their own inbred beliefs.

Disturbing.

The kid is 14 years old.
I bet his parents never put him over their knee and spanked him when he was younger.
The kid probably has no dicipline.

Labor unit, all the way.

Spanking someone doesn't make them a good kid. I have never been spanked. I don't binge drink, I dont smoke, I'm not promiscuous, and I will (hopefully) be going to university at the age of 16. Or you could spank them, make them feel rebelious and end up with one screwed up kid.

both.

Jobs that pay lower tend to need less skills and lower intelligence levels, than jobs that pay high, such as corporate executives.

Not really. George W. Bush made a fortune in executive positions in various companies. As soon as he started working for them they lost money as a result of his desasterous leadership, but he was still paid lots of money. The same happens in all the big companies. If a CEO really threatens to bankrupt a company they will pay him several million dollars to resign.

Intelligence is not the prime determinate in education or income, background is. Black neighboorhoods have badly funded schools, send fewer students to college, and so fewer black people manage to get a college education. You don't think that Bush got into the Ivy Leagues on a scholarship do you? They have something called the legacy system. If your daddy went there, you go there.

Things only get worse when affermative action is instituted at the college level instead of taking measures to fix underfunded primary and secondary schools. Black students from failing black schools get put into colleges for which they were never prepared. And then the ignorant and the racist can simply point to the resulting statistics and say "look I told you blacks were dumb."

I don't really give a rat's ass about these kids. Far as I can tell, they're morons aping morons. What I give a rat's ass about is that Eminem and 50 Cent and Puffy and Biggy get the world stage and what do they use it for? Repeating the same line about money, clothes, and hos that hasn't been improved on since Sir Mix-a-lot and the Geto Boys.

I'm not saying that these kids shouldn't be allowed to say what they want. Just that they look up to shitheads.

It's the central perpetuating aspect of capitalism and darwinism.

There are rappers who rap about finding peaceful alternatives to conflict resolution, improving the living conditions of the neighboorhood in which they live, and getting an education and lifting yourself out of ignorance and poverty.

People don't listen to them because they're boring.

Then there are rappers who rap about money, power, and sex. People listen to them because, well they're rapping about money, power and sex. If they start rapping about the high minded ideals of the first set then they join them in obscurity. Just look at MC Hammer. He was just like any other rapper with "turn that mutha out" then he became a pop star with "u can't touch this" and then a bit of a poet with "pray" then people stopped listening to him. Then when he tried to reclaim his "cred" with "pumps and a bump" no one but Arsinio Hall would touch him.

It's the central perpetuating aspect of capitalism and darwinism.

There are rappers who rap about finding peaceful alternatives to conflict resolution, improving the living conditions of the neighboorhood in which they live, and getting an education and lifting yourself out of ignorance and poverty.

People don't listen to them because they're boring.

Then there are rappers who rap about money, power, and sex. People listen to them because, well they're rapping about money, power and sex. If they start rapping about the high minded ideals of the first set then they join them in obscurity. Just look at MC Hammer. He was just like any other rapper with "turn that mutha out" then he became a pop star with "u can't touch this" and then a bit of a poet with "pray" then people stopped listening to him. Then when he tried to reclaim his "cred" with "pumps and a bump" no one but Arsinio Hall would touch him.
LOL what an idiot.

MC Hammer is back! Super Bowl commercial, baby! Don't call it a comeback! Pop that collar!

:rolleyes:
You people are just paranoids... cmon, it´s like poetry or rock n roll... I mean, it´s just teenage angst that will disappear when he goes to college. It´s not like he will get a weapon and kill everyone... I know, I know, it´s the US and people there like the shoot people for no apparent reason, but still, it´s just a teenage talking crap... nothing catastrophic about it...

...it´s the US and people there like the shoot people for no apparent reason...
Scary people that they be!

Anyway, basically they're idiots and deserve the punishment they've been given, but all these comments, like, hang on a sec...

You are probobly an ex-hippie that still has acid flashbacks.
That's a bit of a personal attack, ain't it?

or this one

Is it a coincidence that black people are more likley to commit a crime, and they are fans of rap music?

or... hang on, i'm sensing a pattern! All the posts i've taken offence at are from this "Kahta" guy!

Kahta, i invite you to visit the site toobis.com, if you haven't already. I think you two would get on.

Oh yeah, anyone else should visit it too if they want someone to send angry emails to.

However, in defense of your point, prison wardens in Britain have discovered that if they play classical music over the intercoms in volatile situations, such as when prisoners are being moved or unloaded, they have far fewer violent incidents than when they play pop music. Not just rap, but pop in general. I'll dig up the reference if anyone is interested.

As far as all your points go about blacks being the ones who are committing these crimes, solely based on race, they fall through when you consider Britain. There the lower classes are largely white, andd have largely the same problems we see in the American black population. It isn't a racial thing, but a class thing, as others have said.

Classical music is relaxing music, I truly enjoy listening to it, it always relaxes me. Also, I remember reading a study about classical music, when played around babies, gave them a higher IQ.

The whites left in Britian are the ones paying very high taxes, the non-whites are the ones living off whites.

Hey, Kahta, a lot of your screed is slipping through my ignore list because other people keep quoting your drivel. Could you please ask them not to do that?

You really must show me an article that proves this, and not just some white supremacy crap.

http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

Hey, Kahta. You didn't answer my question earlier, so I'll repost it. What ethnicity are the teenagers in the article you posted? Do you know?

http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

Wasn't that book denounced?

Kahta, i invite you to visit the site toobis.com, if you haven't already. I think you two would get on.


LOL He's awesome, he's an immature idiot, but awesome.

http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

All I got from your graphs is that the world is preety racist and it pays black people little money...

(What. Brazil IQ is 87? They must have done this on carnaval! Unfair to do a test like this when the whole country is drunk)

Not really. George W. Bush made a fortune in executive positions in various companies. As soon as he started working for them they lost money as a result of his desasterous leadership, but he was still paid lots of money. The same happens in all the big companies. If a CEO really threatens to bankrupt a company they will pay him several million dollars to resign.


I'm not going to respond to the other stuff, because you can read my opinion there.

Ok, you pointed out one example. Take my stepmom for example, she is very smart, and she's a self employed consultant, making several times more than my dad, (he makes around $150,000). My dad is also very smart.

Spanking someone doesn't make them a good kid. I have never been spanked. I don't binge drink, I dont smoke, I'm not promiscuous, and I will (hopefully) be going to university at the age of 16. Or you could spank them, make them feel rebelious and end up with one screwed up kid.

I was spanked a few times, and learned my lesson. Rember this: Most kids crave discipline.

Hey, Kahta, a lot of your screed is slipping through my ignore list because other people keep quoting your drivel. Could you please ask them not to do that?

I don't really don't think that is necessary. If you've got nothing to add, please refrain from posting just to bait other users.

I was spanked a few times, and learned my lesson. Rember this: Most kids crave discipline.

Some young adults, too ^.^

... Oh, sorry, was I interrupting a serious discussion again? Sorry, I'll get back in my closet now.

http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm
you are using sq.4mg.com as scientific research source?

anybody using that web site as reference has the IQ of a *****.

Wasn't that book denounced?
Several times over. I recently went to see a panel discussion in uni near me... and they all but laughed the co-author Dr. Vanhanen out of the stage. But hey! It's a scientific study (peer-reviewed to shreads, but nevertheless)...

it's hard to see past bocus crap you so dearly want to believe. ITs also hard to see truths that blow away the bogus crap you so dearly want to believe.

Anyone care to provide me with a link or cite which identifies a high score in an IQ test with a high level of what is commonly refered to as intelligence?

I was spanked a few times, and learned my lesson. Rember this: Most kids crave discipline.

Not any of the kids I know. How many children have you actualy asked if they want discipline?

I was spanked a few times, and learned my lesson. Rember this: Most kids crave discipline.

No, you're thinking of perverts. Perverts crave paddles and floggers, kids crave ice cream.

I'm not going to respond to the other stuff, because you can read my opinion there.

Ok, you pointed out one example. Take my stepmom for example, she is very smart, and she's a self employed consultant, making several times more than my dad, (he makes around $150,000). My dad is also very smart.

That's not much of an example.
"someone you've never heard of makes more money than someone else you've never heard of and they're both smart" isn't even really a point. What is a point is that the amount of money that a consultant gets paid has nothing to do with how good their advice is.

The same fallacy is what leads people to put their trust in stock brokers. "Well he makes millions of dollars 'in the stock market' so he must know how to make me rich." Businesses make money if the economy is doing well consultants get paid well if they make the people who hire them think that their advice is good. The fact that economists earn nobel prizes by directly contradicting eachother shows that you don't need to be right to impress people with your business bullshit.

Not any of the kids I know. How many children have you actualy asked if they want discipline?
that could explain kahta's mental problems

OK, if you don't believe in disciplining kids, then don't. You are the kind of parent that has resulted in an obesity rate of over 60%. Idiot.

I work in a law office, and I have seen people bring in their kids many times. Now, this is a fucking law office. We don't play nursery here. However, these people bring their kids in, and let them run the damn place. One woman sat there with her kid smacking her in the face, and just told him that if he would tell her what he wanted, then he could have it. Whatever it was.

And to bring this back to the main topic: rap sucks anyways.

The whites left in Britian are the ones paying very high taxes, the non-whites are the ones living off whites.
I thought at first you might just have some very strong, but well-supported (if fringe) opinions. I was wrong. You are a bigot, and you aren't even bothering to support your position now. I am done even discussing anything with you, because it is an activity as worthless as your opinions, your intellect, and your entire resource-wasting existence.

And to bring this back to the main topic: rap sucks anyways.
I didn't really expect your reply to be intelligent, and it wasnt.

remember, aim low and your bound to hit SOMETHING

I didn't really expect your reply to be intelligent, and it wasnt.

remember, aim low and your bound to hit SOMETHING
And yet, your reply falls short of anything approaching constructive, intelligent, or informative. I am entitled to my opinion. Just as you are entitled to be an ass. Well done. Exercise your constitutional rights.

OK, if you don't believe in disciplining kids, then don't. You are the kind of parent that has resulted in an obesity rate of over 60%. Idiot.

I work in a law office, and I have seen people bring in their kids many times. Now, this is a fucking law office. We don't play nursery here. However, these people bring their kids in, and let them run the damn place. One woman sat there with her kid smacking her in the face, and just told him that if he would tell her what he wanted, then he could have it. Whatever it was.

And to bring this back to the main topic: rap sucks anyways.

I'm not a parent, I'm a child. Im a good average weight and I live in a country where there isn't a 60% obesity rate, not everyone is american.

My parents don't punish me. In return I do my school work, get good grades and behave in a decent manner. Just because you needed people to tell you what to do doesn't mean everyone does.

I'm not a parent, I'm a child. Im a good average weight and I live in a country where there isn't a 60% obesity rate, not everyone is american.

My parents don't punish me. In return I do my school work, get good grades and behave in a decent manner. Just because you needed people to tell you what to do doesn't mean everyone does.
Of course, you are a model child. I should have known. [/sarcasm]
Every kid you talk to says the same thing. "I'm not actually that bad, you know..."
I really don't care if YOU say it. I just don't. And grades mean exactly nothing. I have a 3.5 unweighted GPA, and I can outdrink 25 year olds. At least I quit smoking pot, after 4 years. Unfortunately, I still smoke cigarettes. I don't get in trouble with the law, but thats because I and my buddies are all related to cops. In other words, not getting caught doesn't make you good.

Of course, you are a model child. I should have known. [/sarcasm]
Every kid you talk to says the same thing. "I'm not actually that bad, you know..."
I really don't care if YOU say it. I just don't. And grades mean exactly nothing. I have a 3.5 unweighted GPA, and I can outdrink 25 year olds. At least I quit smoking pot, after 4 years. Unfortunately, I still smoke cigarettes. I don't get in trouble with the law, but thats because I and my buddies are all related to cops. In other words, not getting caught doesn't make you good.

As I already posted, I dont to drugs, I dont binge drink, I dont smoke. GPA has no meaning to me, we use a different system. I never say "I'm not actually that bad, you know..." because anyone who has met me doesn't say I'm a bad kid. I dont get in trouble with the law because I dont break it.

As I already posted, I dont to drugs, I dont binge drink, I dont smoke. GPA has no meaning to me, we use a different system. I never say "I'm not actually that bad, you know..." because anyone who has met me doesn't say I'm a bad kid. I dont get in trouble with the law because I dont break it.
Of course you don't. Your parents never spanked you, never told you no, and somehow you evolved this miraculously perfect behavior all on your own. Discipline doesn't necessarily come down to pure physical force. However, it isn't about bribes (ice cream comment, not necessarily you) either.

This is all kinda off topic, disipline andd stuff.

On topic, rap music is (on some level) an art form. I regard it with the same level as, for example, abstract modern art.

I WON'T HAVE ANY OF THE DAMN STUFF IN MY HOUSE!
But i'll fiercely defend other peoples right to produce it, listen to it, and call it art.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8173528&postcount=268

Apparently, Kahta is a supporter of the first amendment. Either the freedom of speech is absolute or it has no meaning, there is no middle ground.

"Freedom of speech cannot be limited without being lost." -Thomas Jefferson

RAP is Retared attempt at poetry.

*if thats already here, sorry, i'm not gonna read all 29 pages to find it*

It also ryhmes with crap.

I say they think their cool, make them preform opera in a musical. That's punishment for punk-ass posers

Not any of the kids I know. How many children have you actualy asked if they want discipline?


Obviosuly they aren't going to say it, I'd never say it to my parents, but its true.

RAP is Retared attempt at poetry.
It also ryhmes with crap.
Marabal rhymes with cannibal. Haha! Look momma, i made an argument, on my own! :rolleyes:

That's not much of an example.
"someone you've never heard of makes more money than someone else you've never heard of and they're both smart" isn't even really a point. What is a point is that the amount of money that a consultant gets paid has nothing to do with how good their advice is.


Not when this consultant was once the vice-president of foreign production for Mast Inc. Consultants have to be smart, because they think for themselves and often are self employed.

The same fallacy is what leads people to put their trust in stock brokers. "Well he makes millions of dollars 'in the stock market' so he must know how to make me rich." Businesses make money if the economy is doing well consultants get paid well if they make the people who hire them think that their advice is good.

Businesses make money because of inovation and changes in the capitalist system. If changes stopped happening than the system would be like communism, which never changes. The changes brought in are from smart people, who think of new ideas.

The fact that economists earn nobel prizes by directly contradicting eachother shows that you don't need to be right to impress people with your business bullshit.

Yes, and those same economists make a lot of money, I never said anything about being right.


I stand by my point that people that are smarter,make more money, tend to be smarter. By the way, I don't think using examples from the top 1% of incomes is a good indicator because its such a select group, there are a lot of idiots and fools mixed in that only got there because of their parents. The top 5% is a much better indicator.

Of course, you are a model child. I should have known. [/sarcasm]
Every kid you talk to says the same thing. "I'm not actually that bad, you know..."
I really don't care if YOU say it. I just don't. And grades mean exactly nothing. I have a 3.5 unweighted GPA, and I can outdrink 25 year olds. At least I quit smoking pot, after 4 years. Unfortunately, I still smoke cigarettes. I don't get in trouble with the law, but thats because I and my buddies are all related to cops. In other words, not getting caught doesn't make you good.

An unweighted GPA is irrelevent, because it means that you take classes for stupid people like tech classes or gym. If my GPA was unweighted, the people that take honors and AP classes that get A's and B's like myself, would have a lower GPA than the stupid people that take tech classes and normal classes.

Secondly, based on the decisions you've discussed, I can tell you're a member of the underlings, AKA the people in the service industry like people with careers in retail.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8173528&postcount=268

Apparently, Kahta is a supporter of the first amendment. Either the freedom of speech is absolute or it has no meaning, there is no middle ground.

"Freedom of speech cannot be limited without being lost." -Thomas Jefferson


Homosexuality is a political issue, not a vulgarity issue. Freedom of speech is only for political issues, not vulgarities. I'm a supporter of the freedom of speech for politics, but not vulgarities.

Homosexuality is a political issue, not a vulgarity issue. Freedom of speech is only for political issues, not vulgarities. I'm a supporter of the freedom of speech for politics, but not vulgarities.

Vulgarities are protected. You have the option and the right not to listen.

"Free speech is intended to protect the controversial and even outrageous word, and not just comforting platitudes too mundane to need protection." - Colin Powell

"Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself." - David Mamet

"Take free speech: most of the tough cases on free speech involve very unpleasant people saying very obnoxious things." - Representative Barney Frank

"There is always someone trying to control art… They want final say over not only the content, but the message and the medium too, if you know what I mean. I say the government has no business being involoved in art, and I am lucky enough to have the means to fight them." - Mike McNeilly

btw, i got these quotes from here: http://www.cfif.org/freedomline_notable_archive.htm

I found those quotes because my freedom to say and type what I want is not being limited because someone may find it vulgar.

Not when this consultant was once the vice-president of foreign production for Mast Inc. Consultants have to be smart, because they think for themselves and often are self employed.
My brother in law is self employed and he's an idiot. Being self employed does not demand that you be smart, it demands that you be willing to sacrifice security and stability for independence. That has nothing to do with intelligence, it's strictly a personality thing.


Businesses make money because of inovation and changes in the capitalist system. If changes stopped happening than the system would be like communism, which never changes. The changes brought in are from smart people, who think of new ideas.

Those changes are brought by randomization. Plenty of smart people try out bright ideas that don't work. Plenty of dumb people try out ideas that do. That's why the American entrepeneurial spirit emphasizes risk-taking over prudent market analysis. If 10,000 idiots try to make a go of business then somone is going to succeed despite themselves. That's why we have the bankrupcy laws that we do. People were (once upon a time) encouraged to go into debt with a new business and if it doesn't work out (which it probably won't, because people who succeeded in business via superior intelligence wouldn't need business loans) they can just close up shop and try their luck elsewhere.

Yes, and those same economists make a lot of money, I never said anything about being right.

You did by implication. When was the last time you met someone who you thought was very smart, but was wrong about everything?


I stand by my point that people that are smarter,make more money, tend to be smarter. By the way, I don't think using examples from the top 1% of incomes is a good indicator because its such a select group, there are a lot of idiots and fools mixed in that only got there because of their parents. The top 5% is a much better indicator.

No, clearly you think that money is a good indicator of intelligence. In reality people working their way up from poverty through sheer brain power is the exception, not the norm. The norm is for people of average intelligence to half-heartedly shuffle on through whatever level of career preperation their family background lays out for them.

For middle class white people this usually means going to a well funded primary school, a respected secondary school, an expensive college, and then spending the rest of their lives in various undistinguished middle managment positions.

For lower class people, a group into which most minorities fall, this means getting little and poorly funded primary and secondary education. Possibly getting into a lousy community college if they try really hard to overcome their lack of opportunity and well meaning parents who resist their efforts to get an education because "hard work is the way to get ahead in life. Look at me, I've been picking grapes for $2.50 an hour for 20 years and soon I'll be able to afford a new pair of pants."

If you think this indicates the lower intelligence of minorities then just remember there are plenty of middle class white people who believe the same thing unaware of how opportunities provided to them, or their parents, enabled them to become middle class when those same opportunities were kept from minorities. e.g. Most community colleges in many states used to be free up until the civil rights era. When they had to let blacks in they started charging thousands of dollars.

Not saying there hasn't been alot of foul or violent rap music made by rap artists.. but it usually isn't main stream...save NWA back in the day and possibly The Chronic with Dre with Snoop and them ... oh and that damn Luke Skywalker/Miami sex rap shit.. But there have been good hip hop artists. Tribe Called Quest.. Common Sense.. De La Sol...Rakim ..never rapped about slapping their hoe or killing anyone.

Vulgarities are protected. You have the option and the right not to listen.

"Free speech is intended to protect the controversial and even outrageous word, and not just comforting platitudes too mundane to need protection." - Colin Powell

"Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself." - David Mamet

"Take free speech: most of the tough cases on free speech involve very unpleasant people saying very obnoxious things." - Representative Barney Frank

"There is always someone trying to control art… They want final say over not only the content, but the message and the medium too, if you know what I mean. I say the government has no business being involoved in art, and I am lucky enough to have the means to fight them." - Mike McNeilly

btw, i got these quotes from here: http://www.cfif.org/freedomline_notable_archive.htm

I found those quotes because my freedom to say and type what I want is not being limited because someone may find it vulgar.

The Supreme court interprets the first ammendment, and they have not yet had a case which involved vulgarities. None of those people quoted were supreme court members.

You did by implication. When was the last time you met someone who you thought was very smart, but was wrong about everything?


You. Based on your arguments, I can tell that you're smart, but misguided. Very good arguments, however its going into speculation, and I don't like debating about speculation, only facts.

RAP is Retared attempt at poetry.

*if thats already here, sorry, i'm not gonna read all 29 pages to find it*

It also ryhmes with crap.

I say they think their cool, make them preform opera in a musical. That's punishment for punk-ass posers
If you could spell even half the words you think you know how to use, you might be respected. As it is, your grammar and diction are worse than that of the rappers you so ineloquently condemn.

What are you, retared?

What are you, retared?

Who is that directed towards?

Well, I didn't see too much there that shocked me. After all, they are just imitating the rappers they see on TV. And really, it is free speech. And if those girls are as loose as the CD made them out to be, then they really don't have any excuse to be persecuting these boys. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather the CD not have been made and all, but I think the parents and officials are way out of line in their corrections. And labor camps...that is a scary misapplication of "justice."

Ever heard of libel?

Note this: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=396911

Typical rapper....

Ever heard of libel?
And if those girls are as loose as the CD made them out to be, then they really don't have any excuse to be persecuting these boys. Emphasis mine.

Libel
a. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
b. The act of presenting such material to the public.

I gues he heard of libel, but you are misapplicating it in this case.

Note this: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=396911

Typical rapper....

He didn't rap once. I KNEW that you really have no idea about typical rap. Thanks for proving my point.

Typical rap is nothing like that. And your example doesnt even come close to what you are tryign to say typical rap (in your mind it's all ho's, drugs and poppin' cas in peoples asses) - he doesn't mention any of that.


If you want to argue with facts as you claim... get some statistics about what the average rapper talks about.

Emphasis mine.

Libel
a. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
b. The act of presenting such material to the public.

I guess he heard of libel, but you are misapplicating it in this case.
Exactly. Thank you for pointing that out to the others on this forum who have difficulty reading an entire post. I have indeed heard of libel, and my point stands. You can't accuse someone of libel because you don't like the upleasant truths they bring up. Whether the statements are true or not, I don't htink we'll ever know now, but regardless, the overreaction to this case appalls me.

Secondly, based on the decisions you've discussed, I can tell you're a member of the underlings, AKA the people in the service industry like people with careers in retail.
<cold fury>

So maybe the underlings aren't as good as you, eh? Oh mighty master Kahta, correct in all his ways and teachings, but have you even considered the fact that

i) They are actually human beings with a full set of emotions.

ii) If no one worked in retail everyone else would be a bit stuck.

iii) Not everyone in the world can be as obviously perfect as you are, not everyone can be so marvellously intelligent because that is not the way the human race is. Any dreams of yours to have some kind of "perfect" world where everyone is rich, intelligent and has the same tastes as you makes you no better than Hitler and his master race.

Unless of course you don't expect everyone to be as rich as you, intelligent as you, have the same tastes as you, in which case why the hell must you be so offensive to everyone in a worse situation to yourself?

</cold fury>


btw, has anyone mentioned the difference between "rap" "hip-hop" and "gangsta rap"? It sounds like people are complaining about "gangsta" rap but talking about rap in general. Just wondered if it made a difference, that's all.

Peace n love y'all! Or not, whatever's good for you. :)

The Supreme court interprets the first ammendment, and they have not yet had a case which involved vulgarities. None of those people quoted were supreme court members.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=403&invol=15

Anyone care to provide me with a link or cite which identifies a high score in an IQ test with a high level of what is commonly refered to as intelligence?

Apparently not.

I think that these students are really getting screwed. This was a CD they made on their own time and off school property, and they're getting suspended for it. I admire them for having the ambition to create and market their own CD. If I had that much drive when I was in high school, I might be a professional musician today instead of working in a call center.

Looking at just the lyrics supplied in the article "I lay in my bed staring up at the ceiling as I think to myself I don't know what I'm feeling / I just wanna grab the Glock and cock it back / kill everyone here, how ... is that." I think it's apparent that these kids have some issues. Issues caused by their society, by parents, peers, who knows what else, I don't know them. I don't think that this song is a battle cry, I think it's a cry for help. I wonder if anyone listened to their music and then asked them why they felt that way, what was going on in their life and if they could help.

I wonder if anyone listened to their music and then asked them why they felt that way, what was going on in their life and if they could help.An issue I hadn't considered... [hmmm no embarrassed smilies on this forum]

I haven't met the kids in question. Either they actually feel this way and seriously need some counselling or they're just imitating others and they're idiots. Bottom line is we don't really have as much info on the matter as we'd need if it was down to us to judge them and decide punishment.

<cold fury>

So maybe the underlings aren't as good as you, eh? Oh mighty master Kahta, correct in all his ways and teachings, but have you even considered the fact that

i) They are actually human beings with a full set of emotions.

ii) If no one worked in retail everyone else would be a bit stuck.

iii) Not everyone in the world can be as obviously perfect as you are, not everyone can be so marvellously intelligent because that is not the way the human race is. Any dreams of yours to have some kind of "perfect" world where everyone is rich, intelligent and has the same tastes as you makes you no better than Hitler and his master race.

Unless of course you don't expect everyone to be as rich as you, intelligent as you, have the same tastes as you, in which case why the hell must you be so offensive to everyone in a worse situation to yourself?

</cold fury>


btw, has anyone mentioned the difference between "rap" "hip-hop" and "gangsta rap"? It sounds like people are complaining about "gangsta" rap but talking about rap in general. Just wondered if it made a difference, that's all.

Peace n love y'all! Or not, whatever's good for you. :)


1. I am refering to them as underlings because they are of inferior status intellectually, economicly, and socialy.
2. I am aware that they have emotions, however they are lower on the ladder.
3. Yes, everyone has a purpose, and theirs is to work in retail.
4. I know that, which is why I'm a realist in regards to this type of thing. I don't have some kind of dream to make everyone rich and intelligent, because then everything would end up like a communist paradise.
5. Then should I be like these liberals and communists and try to make everyone equal when they are clearly NOT equal? I'm just stating the facts here.
6. All rap is the same.

1. I am refering to them as underlings because they are of inferior status intellectually, economicly, and socialy.
2. I am aware that they have emotions, however they are lower on the ladder.
3. Yes, everyone has a purpose, and theirs is to work in retail.
4. I know that, which is why I'm a realist in regards to this type of thing. I don't have some kind of dream to make everyone rich and intelligent, because then everything would end up like a communist paradise.
5. Then should I be like these liberals and communists and try to make everyone equal when they are clearly NOT equal? I'm just stating the facts here.
6. All rap is the same.

Cold up there in your Ivory Tower?

Cold up there in your Ivory Tower?

Right now I'm nice and warm in the computer room at my dad's house. Thats the big house I described earlier. My mom lives in a middle class neighborhood.

Thats the big house I described earlier.<sarcasm>Oh stop it, you're making me jealous.</sarcasm>

I don't know what to say.

Oh wait, yeah i do, ALL RAP IS NOT THE SAME! You said before you prefer to deal in fact, well that statement is fact. Deal with it.
It's odd that i'm defending rap so much, i don't even like it!


Go on, be a man, admit that you're wrong.

I bet you can't.

6. All rap is the same.

Define rap for me again, would you?

Right now I'm nice and warm in the computer room at my dad's house. Thats the big house I described earlier. My mom lives in a middle class neighborhood.

So despite the fact that you apparently have zero earning power of your own, and instead got it handed to you on a silver spoon, you think this gives you the right to call others who actually make more money than you your economic inferiors?

1. I am refering to them as underlings because they are of inferior status intellectually, economicly, and socialy.



Intellectually: you do realise this allows us people in the UK to refer to all of you in the USA as our intellectual inferiors - after all on the page you linked to did we not get a higher average IQ score?

See previous post for 'economic' inferiority.

Socially: circular argument - youa re saying you have a right to call them underlings because as a white person and part of the predominant culture, people like you don't afford them equal social status. Seems to me that the fault lies with you here if anywhere...

Sharazar, i totally disagree with you, rap is all the same, give me a rap song that is about good and free will, i see rock as being different in this aspect, all rap is is someone speaking, sure there might be the occasional good songs out, also, the government said that rap has got to go down in its swearing and violence, the only reason why the student kids rapped this language is becaused they were influenced by peple such as eminem, rappers always think they are higher than other song genres such as rock and indy, the only way rap stands out is because of the violence of the kids of today, and they like hearing violence, take for instants "Guns dont kill people, rappers do."
You can obviously see that kids are going to be brainwashed into violence if they listen to this over and over again. sure people can listen to it, but the government are going to have to step in if it gets out of hand, not liberlism or communism, but dam safe for the world.

Rap is Crap (for kids and society of today.)

Sharazar, i totally disagree with you, rap is all the same, give me a rap song that is about good and free will...

Spearhead/Beatnigs/Disposable Heros Of Hiphoprisy?
Consolidated?
De La Soul?
Arrested Development?
Run DMC?
Public Enemy?

give me a rap song that is about good and free will

How long you got?

Just Check out It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back for starters.

I suppose more recent songs such as Mosh could be considered too. But what the hey, of course rap has a lot of shit in it. But in the words of Theodore Sturgeon, "Ninety percent of everything is crap."

see rock as being different in this aspect

You haven't heard much modern rock obviously.

the government said that rap has got to go down in its swearing and violence

Oh noes, not the government!

take for instants "Guns dont kill people, rappers do."

Who you gonna reference next? Wierd Al?

You can obviously see that kids are going to be brainwashed into violence if they listen to this over and over again.

I can't, but since it so 'obvious' in your eyes then you must have some reliable sources. Right?

sure people can listen to it, but the government are going to have to step in if it gets out of hand, not liberlism or communism, but dam safe for the world.

Yes, that is exactly what I think. What the world needs now is more cencorship :rolleyes:

see rock as being different in this aspect

You haven't heard much modern rock obviously.

the government said that rap has got to go down in its swearing and violence

Oh noes, not the government!

Too much swearing? Of course, back in the 40s people never sung songs like this...

(To the tune of John Brown's Body)

We had been flying all day long at one hundred fucking feet,
The weather fucking awful, fucking rain and fucking sleet,
The compass it was swinging fucking south and fucking north,
But we made a fucking landfall in the Firth of Fucking Forth.

Ain't the Air Force fucking awful?
Ain't the Air Force fucking awful?
Ain't the Air Force fucking awful?
We made a fucking landing inthe Firth of Fucking Forth.

We joined the Air Force 'cos we thought it fucking right,
But don't care if we fucking fly or fucking fight,
But what we do object to are those fucking Ops Room twats,
Who sit there sewing stripes on at the rate of fucking knots.


sure people can listen to it, but the government are going to have to step in if it gets out of hand, not liberlism or communism, but dam safe for the world.
Yes, that is exactly what I think. What the world needs now is more cencorship :rolleyes:

I****d, t*e w***d d**s n**d m**e c*******p.

Too much swearing? Of course, back in the 40s people never sung songs like this...

(To the tune of John Brown's Body)
</snip lies>

No they would never do that in the 40's. Society was perfect then. Back when blacks and women and the poor knew their places.

Swear words are a modern invention caused by the breakdown of society of the 60s

I****d, t*e w***d d**s n**d m**e c*******p.

O* c****e, *t w**l m**n w* c*n u********d e**h o***r b****r

No they would never do that in the 40's. Society was perfect then. Back when blacks and women and the poor knew their places.

Swear words are a modern invention caused by the breakdown of society of the 60s

I personally blame it on the fact that people took down their 'No Irish. No Blacks. No Dogs.' signs.

I personally blame it on the fact that people took down their 'No Irish. No Blacks. No Dogs.' signs.

I know, somehow No actors just doesn't have the same restraining effect on society.

Go back to the corn belt you conservative nutjob.
Offensive lyrics are not just limited to rap but all genres of music.

Cracker.

Hey, there's nothing wrong with dogs.

Hey, there's nothing wrong with dogs.

Half of them are bitches.

Half of them are bitches.
*rimshot

<sarcasm>Oh stop it, you're making me jealous.</sarcasm>

I don't know what to say.

Oh wait, yeah i do, ALL RAP IS NOT THE SAME! You said before you prefer to deal in fact, well that statement is fact. Deal with it.
It's odd that i'm defending rap so much, i don't even like it!


Go on, be a man, admit that you're wrong.

I bet you can't.

I know that all rap music is not the same, but it is the same in the context that it's degrading to women, promotes drug use, promotes violence, and is listen to people more likley to commit crimes.

I have admitted in the past that I am wrong, and when I am wrong, I admit it. If I were to admit that I was wrong about rap music, well, that'd be lying, because I'm right.

No they would never do that in the 40's. Society was perfect then. Back when blacks and women and the poor knew their places.

Swear words are a modern invention caused by the breakdown of society of the 60s


It was perfect then.

It was perfect then.

Silly boy, perfection was attained in 1971.

*rimshot

please don't spam in my thread, or I will modcall you.

It was perfect then.
You maintain that in light of BWOs little ditty?

Silly boy, perfection was attained in 1971.

No, it was atained sometime between 1955 and 1960.

I didn't bother to read all of the posts, but I don't see why rap is the big issue here. Look at me, I'm 14 years old, I hate most rap (its either cRAP or RAPe) but I must say that even my favorite musics do include some of that stuff. YOu have to realize that not all rap is like this. I think those kids were just copying some really stupid rap artist.

And as for free speech, all for it, but you must remember, slander isn't included in the protection. I think that the only reason the boys should get that punishment is because they named names. Otherwise, its complete BS

No, it was atained sometime between 1955 and 1960.

But Led Zeppelin IV didn't come out until 1971.

I'm sorry, the facts just don't agree with you.

edit: I should mention that I am speaking of musical perfection, not overall perfection.

But Led Zeppelin IV didn't come out until 1971.

I'm sorry, the facts just don't agree with you.

edit: I should mention that I am speaking of musical perfection, not overall perfection.

Not to mention that James Dean died in 1955.

It's just like writing crap about someone in a blog or a livejournal, isn't it?

Frankly, they should not be punished as their speech is protected under the first amendment which last I checked applies to all citizens.

However, the school may choose to simply snub the distribution of the said CDs as it is their property and they have the power to regulate such things by virtue of that.

No, it was atained sometime between 1955 and 1960.

Ah, doubtless you are refering to the famous 1957 Howl obscenity trial where it was decided that Lawrence Ferlinghetti had no charges to answer in connection with publishing Ginsberg's work, due to the clear social import of the poem. No? Lest we forget, the trial centred on the following lines:


who howled on their knees in the subway and were dragged off the roof waving genitals and manuscripts,

who let themselves be fucked in the ass by saintly motorcyclists, and screamed with joy,

who blew and were blown by those human seraphim, the sailors, caresses of Atlantic and Caribbean love,

who balled in the morning in the evenings in rosegardens and the grass of public parks and cemeteries scattering their semen freely to whomever come who may,

You maintain that in light of BWOs little ditty?

I think, perchance, that I might just have made Kahta's ignore list.

I know that all rap music is not the same, but it is the same in the context that it's degrading to women, promotes drug use, promotes violence, and is listen to people more likley to commit crimes.
No it's not all the same in the context of degrading women, promoting drug use and promoting violence.

I have admitted in the past that I am wrong, and when I am wrong, I admit it. If I were to admit that I was wrong about rap music, well, that'd be lying, because I'm right.
You are wrong if you are asserting that all rap music is degrading to women, promotes drug use, and promotes violence.

Go back to the corn belt you conservative nutjob.
Offensive lyrics are not just limited to rap but all genres of music.

Cracker.
Ivallice, I'd like to remind you that the use of words like 'cracker' are not only frowned upon, but also weaken your argument. Attack the argument, not the poster.

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The one where the ammendments are explained in the Federalist Papers. The Federalist papers do not mention allowing vulgarities.

I think the constution does, though. I believe you've heard of the First Amendment. It says [congress shall make NO LAW interfering with freedom of speech,] free exercise of religion, the ability to peaceably assemble or petition the government for redress,

Ah, doubtless you are refering to the famous 1957 Howl obscenity trial where it was decided that Lawrence Ferlinghetti had no charges to answer in connection with publishing Ginsberg's work, due to the clear social import of the poem. No? Lest we forget, the trial centred on the following lines:


who howled on their knees in the subway and were dragged off the roof waving genitals and manuscripts,

who let themselves be fucked in the ass by saintly motorcyclists, and screamed with joy,

who blew and were blown by those human seraphim, the sailors, caresses of Atlantic and Caribbean love,

who balled in the morning in the evenings in rosegardens and the grass of public parks and cemeteries scattering their semen freely to whomever come who may,


Just in case you are right.

I think that rappers should be sent to labor camps, they degrade women, promote violence, promote truancy, promote drug use, and in general do nothing positive.

You promote racism, however, that doesn't mean I think you should be sent to a labor camp... I don't understand how people can come to the sort of "logical" conclusion you just did.

Rappers + Lyrics = Labor Camp

Nope, can't see it. That type of "logic" is typically reserved for the Nazis who detained Jews in death camps.

You promote racism, however, that doesn't mean I think you should be sent to a labor camp... I don't understand how people can come to the sort of "logical" conclusion you just did.

They promote the wrong sort of racism.

Some stupid 14 year old wigger came out of the closet to say
/ I just wanna grab the Glock and cock it back / kill everyone here, how ... is that."

Hey dumbass, you don't "cock back" a Glock! Its a saftey action, so no external hammer, good job fool. Shows how much rappers know about firearms.

Hey dumbass, you don't "cock back" a Glock! Its a saftey action, so no external hammer, good job fool. Shows how much rappers know about firearms.

They were schoolkids. Though it does prove a point that the song was harmless.

This music disgusts me.... I think these students should be in labor units...

typical rapper behavior (http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2005/02/06/johnston_students_suspended_for_homemade_rap_cd/)

Yeah, these damn rappers should've done what all good American rock fans do, take their daddies' guns and shoot up the school, fo' shizzle my nizzle.

They promote the wrong sort of racism.

I'm sorry but racism = wrong. There are no right types of prejudice.

I'm sorry but racism = wrong. There are no right types of prejudice.
Maybe I should have put <sarcasm> </sarcasm> tags in that post.

But Led Zeppelin IV didn't come out until 1971.

I'm sorry, the facts just don't agree with you.

edit: I should mention that I am speaking of musical perfection, not overall perfection.


Peronally, I don't like music thats from the 1960's to the 1980's, but thats just me.

America's economic, social, political, and moral peak was in the late 1950's, between 1966 and 1960.

I think the constution does, though. I believe you've heard of the First Amendment. It says [congress shall make NO LAW interfering with freedom of speech,] free exercise of religion, the ability to peaceably assemble or petition the government for redress,


The freedom of speech pertains to the protection of political activism, it says so in the federalist papers. The reason its there is to alllow political activism.

You promote racism, however, that doesn't mean I think you should be sent to a labor camp... I don't understand how people can come to the sort of "logical" conclusion you just did.

Rappers + Lyrics = Labor Camp

Nope, can't see it. That type of "logic" is typically reserved for the Nazis who detained Jews in death camps.


No, concentration camps were for killing, labor camps are for punishment/re-education.

The Nazi's were 110% wrong in their whole Holocuast thing.

Peronally, I don't like music thats from the 1960's to the 1980's, but thats just me.

America's economic, social, political, and moral peak was in the late 1950's, between 1966 and 1960.
Ahem

who howled on their knees in the subway and were dragged off the roof waving genitals and manuscripts,

who let themselves be fucked in the ass by saintly motorcyclists, and screamed with joy,

who blew and were blown by those human seraphim, the sailors, caresses of Atlantic and Caribbean love,

who balled in the morning in the evenings in rosegardens and the grass of public parks and cemeteries scattering their semen freely to whomever come who may,

Lines the 1957 Howl obscenity trial concentrated on.

Not very moral is it?

Ahem

who howled on their knees in the subway and were dragged off the roof waving genitals and manuscripts,

who let themselves be fucked in the ass by saintly motorcyclists, and screamed with joy,

who blew and were blown by those human seraphim, the sailors, caresses of Atlantic and Caribbean love,

who balled in the morning in the evenings in rosegardens and the grass of public parks and cemeteries scattering their semen freely to whomever come who may,

Lines the 1957 Howl obscenity trial concentrated on.

Not very moral is it?

No, but are you going to tell me that the moral situation then was worse than it is now?

No, but are you going to tell me that the moral situation then was worse than it is now?

No, I'd just say it is the same.

Ignoring the fact that moral is a very subjective term.

No, concentration camps were for killing, labor camps are for punishment/re-education.

I know very well what the difference between labor camps and concentration camps. The point of my post was putting anyone in campus for different views is exactly the same principle the Nazis lived by. I'm pretty sure you can tell where I'm going from this.

No, but are you going to tell me that the moral situation then was worse than it is now?

How old are you? You said you're living with your parents, so I'm guessing that you're a teenager. So how can you say that it was better back then?

ty for that link... Good to see that some young chaps in the community are able to market their own product, taking business from the corrupt mega-companies. I am trying to make contact with these students to get them a record contract with a friend of mine.

How old are you? You said you're living with your parents, so I'm guessing that you're a teenager. So how can you say that it was better back then?

Wimmin, niggers, and the proles knew their place.

DISCLAIMER: I am charicaturing Kahta's views

America's economic, social, political, and moral peak was in the late 1950's

That's true--if you were rich, white, and male.

Swear words are a modern invention caused by the breakdown of society of the 60s
Oh, of course! All the world's ills started in the '60s! It was those damn Beatles! They ruined everything! They destroyed our society, turned our youth on to heroin, and gave everybody AIDS!
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