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Shows what you know about points of law, non-exclusive does not mean that I still retain license but that anyone can have it, not just the owners of the site, that it can be sold or given to anyone without my permission

Including the original owner? Aren't you basically just saying that it's bad that something posted on a public board becomes public property?

Hell, it makes sense to me. I don't think that if I make a post on a public board that I can complain if it becomes public property.

Are you saying I should be able to sue if someone quotes one of my posts? Because they're doing it without my permission and it's my property? What if they quote it on a different board? Should I be able to sue then?

Shows what you know about points of law, non-exclusive does not mean that I still retain license but that anyone can have it, not just the owners of the site, that it can be sold or given to anyone without my permission

'Non-exclusive' in legal parlance seems to mean that rights are held not only by NS, but also by those that submit material. IANAL.

So you want to be "convinced" now or later?

Why put off to tomorrow what can be done today?

Including the original owner? Aren't you basically just saying that it's bad that something posted on a public board becomes public property?

Hell, it makes sense to me. I don't think that if I make a post on a public board that I can complain if it becomes public property.

Are you saying I should be able to sue if someone quotes one of my posts? Because they're doing it without my permission and it's my property? What if they quote it on a different board? Should I be able to sue then?


Miss-quoting someone could be construed as a form of libel?

Returning to the original topic....

Would any of the would-be union organizers like to illustrate their grievances against the current state of the moderation on this forum? I may be just one humble poster, but I've never run up against any problems with the moderators.

And anyway, I think I'd prefer moderation to the sort of mob rule that I believe that some people are hinting at. I'm don't believe that the moderators/administrators are so bad that mob rule is necessary.

The only problem that I possibly see is a lack of moderators. That, however, should be dealt with by the moderators and administrators, as it is their turf. Creating something like direct election for moderators would, I feel, lead to a very dangerous slippery slope. Benevolent dictatorships, I believe, are sometimes better than mob democracy.

And if all would-be spammers would agree to leave General for 24 hours, you do realize that the valid debaters would have a field day, basking in the glory of not having to deal with copious inanities? (Imagine all of the abortion debate threads we could start....)

EDIT: And you know what you do about this whole "license" matter? You don't post anything on Jolt that you want to make sure you retain intellectual property rights to. That sounds pretty easy.

Including the original owner? Aren't you basically just saying that it's bad that something posted on a public board becomes public property?

Hell, it makes sense to me. I don't think that if I make a post on a public board that I can complain if it becomes public property.

Are you saying I should be able to sue if someone quotes one of my posts? Because they're doing it without my permission and it's my property? What if they quote it on a different board? Should I be able to sue then?

With reasonable disclosure , it becomes a fact of law and thats it, they can do whatever they want, it is their property. without reasonable disclosure the contract becomes null and void and comes under the scrutiny of regulatory agencies and if anyone so happens to think that it is in their interest to punish or hamper those who are investigating any wrongdoing or any whistle-blowers regardless of whether it is private property or not it becomes a crime.

With reasonable disclosure , it becomes a fact of law and thats it, they can do whatever they want, it is their property. without reasonable disclosure the contract becomes null and void and comes under the scrutiny of regulatory agencies and if anyone so happens to think that it is in their interest to punish or hamper those who are investigating any wrongdoing or any whistle-blowers regardless of whether it is private property or not it becomes a crime.

Is this under UK law?

Why put off to tomorrow what can be done today?
Stalin liked keeping people guessing

Stalin liked keeping people guessing

Your point being?

Is this under UK law?

Am i going to have to teach you the basics of law? You don't mess with the feds or any agency or any ngo associated with the feds okay, because once you do that, buy some soap on a rope and some ky because you are escrewed

Your point being?

I think we're being given an example of why drugs are bad.

Returning to the original topic....

Would any of the would-be union organizers like to illustrate their grievances against the current state of the moderation on this forum? I may be just one humble poster, but I've run up against any problems with the moderators.

And anyway, I think I'd prefer moderation to the sort of mob rule that I believe that some people are hinting at. I'm don't believe that the moderators/administrators are so bad that mob rule is necessary.

The only problem that I possibly see is a lack of moderators. That, however, should be dealt with by the moderators and administrators, as it is their turf. Creating something like direct election for moderators would, I feel, lead to a very dangerous slippery slope. Benevolent dictatorships, I believe, are sometimes better than mob democracy.

And if all would-be spammers would agree to leave General for 24 hours, you do realize that the valid debaters would have a field day, basking in the glory of not having to deal with copious inanities? (Imagine all of the abortion debate threads we could start....)

EDIT: And you know what you do about this whole "license" matter? You don't post anything you want to make sure you retain intellectual property rights to on Jolt. That sounds pretty easy.

The point was to show there is no free lunch.
I want spam-lite to be ok again. That was the promise when we were "Jolted"
I want mOds to post reasons for locking threads. Some of the mOds get testy, maybe they are overworked?
I want some democracy in here. I will demonstrate democracy in action at the membership meeting.
Other members have other demands. They will be aired at a membership meeting.

Am i going to have to teach you the basics of law? You don't mess with the feds or any agency or any ngo associated with the feds okay, because once you do that, buy some soap on a rope and some ky because you are escrewed

Under what international agreement did the UK surrender sovereignty in matters of legal dispute to the 'feds'? I fyou can make a case with respect to either UK law or European law which the UK has signed agreements concerning, then I may be convinced, but at present I am still fielding the three expressions described upthread.

The point was to show there is no free lunch.
I want spam-lite to be ok again. That was the promise when we were "Jolted"
I want mOds to post reasons for locking threads. Some of the mOds get testy, maybe they are overworked?
I want some democracy in here. I will demonstrate democracy in action at the membership meeting.
Other members have other demands. They will be aired at a membership meeting.

You know, that democracy point is hilarious. You didn't even want to let non-members IN the meeting, and even now they won't be able to take part in discussion. You aren't interested in democracy. You're interested in your small group of followers getting more power than they have currently.

And oh yes, you STILL haven't explain why democracy is inherently a good thing.

You also haven't defined Spam-lite.

In non-RP forums, then it appears that NS has the right to kick you out if you do such things as post OOC material which cdescribes yourself in less than turthful manner. If anything NS are showing leniency here by not booting users for such infractions.

Oh noes! :eek: Should I remove all the pics when they obviously don't represent the real person? But how can I really know? :p Someone help me here! I'm in a state of panic!

:D

Under what international agreement did the UK surrender sovereignty in matters of legal dispute to the 'feds'? I fyou can make a case with respect to either UK law or European law which the UK has signed agreements concerning, then I may be convinced, but at present I am still fielding the three expressions described upthread.
Non-sequiter: Do you like playing poker?

The point was to show there is no free lunch.
I want spam-lite to be ok again. That was the promise when we were "Jolted"

1.) Is the SPAM forum not sufficient a playground?
2.) Where was this promised?

I want mOds to post reasons for locking threads. Some of the mOds get testy, maybe they are overworked?

3.) Possibly they are overworked, but do you have any examples of refusals to justify the locking of threads once sufficient time for the moderators to take up the slack has elapsed?

I want some democracy in here. I will demonstrate democracy in action at the membership meeting.


4. You have every right to want democracy here, the same as others want it to follow different political ideologies, but there is no contractual opbligation for the powers that be to deliver democracy. Following on from this, on what basis do you justify the ruling that moderators cannot be part of the union, as you autocratically declared earlier, and what mechanisms are possibly open to you to prevent their joining under the guise of puppet nations should they desire to do so? It seems to me that the only sense of democracy workable in union decision making here is one based on one vote per nation, rather than per player, or the previously unstated stipulation that all voting members must also be UN members (which assumes that the moderators are not so corrupt as to sport UN multis themselves so as to detabilise the democratic process).

Non-sequiter: Do you like playing poker?

I was told at school that playing cards are the tools of the devil, sent to mislead us from the righteous path: whether I believed that and took the message to heart is for you to discern.

You know, that democracy point is hilarious. You didn't even want to let non-members IN the meeting, and even now they won't be able to take part in discussion. You aren't interested in democracy. You're interested in your small group of followers getting more power than they have currently.

And oh yes, you STILL haven't explain why democracy is inherently a good thing.

You also haven't defined Spam-lite.

You don't agree with democracy? Wow. How is democracy a bad thing?
The members will define Spam-lite.

I was told at school that playing cards are the tools of the devil, sent to mislead us from the righteous path: whether I believed that and took the message to heart is for you to discern.

I love playing poker

I love playing poker

I don't go in for gambling myself, and card games bore me: having disclosed that information I still find these matters hanging unaddressed in the air like great big hanging unaddressed things:

Stalin comment: explanation?

Relevance of the 'feds' to UK legislation: explanation?

The FTC and the nebulously evoked 'Article 25': explanation?



EDIT: fixed embarassing transposition of letters in the word 'article', and also thought I might make the suggestion that the 'great big hanging unaddressed things' were oversized manilla envelopes.

Brother Word, i think i make a good Angela Davis rather than a Rosa Parks dont you

I want spam-lite to be ok again. That was the promise when we were "Jolted"
It is ok again. In the correct forum (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=29). You don't like that? Tough. It's there, if you don't want to use it that's your problem, not ours.
I want mOds to post reasons for locking threads. Some of the mOds get testy, maybe they are overworked?
'I want' doesn't get. Often enough, it's obvious why a thread is locked. If it isn't, people can always post in Moderation about it.
I want some democracy in here. I will demonstrate democracy in action at the membership meeting.
Other members have other demands. They will be aired at a membership meeting.
Again, just because you want something doesn't mean you'll get it. This isn't a democracy, and it never will be. We'll take reasonable requests into consideration but we're under no obligation to do anything. This is a privately owned site, you are guests. If you were to walk into Microsoft's headquarters and demand to have a say in their business practices they'd probably have security throw you out.

You also haven't defined Spam-lite.

http://www.miaclab.org/exhibits/icons/graphics/yearning01.jpg

Shit, foo, ain't you ever been to no grocery stores before? It's Spizzam with 50% less fat than regular Spizzam, for my peeps needin' to drop the weight so they can get all the fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine women!

Why's Max Barry trying to keep the half-meats down, foo? Shit.

You don't agree with democracy? Wow. How is democracy a bad thing?
The members will define Spam-lite.
Well, for a start, I have absolutely no trust that the majority will do what is good for the whole. The majority tends to do what is good for the majority, and fuck over the minority. That's why America isn't a democracy, you know. I much prefer a system that does what's best for the community, rather than a system that panders to those that have a majority.

Quite frankly, I can see that if your little group got more power, I'd be in a much worse position than I am now. I think elected moderators would be a disaster, I think that putting added pressure on the mods we have now will lead to them all eventually saying 'fuck it' and leaving - not to mention it being unfair to make demands of unpaid volunteers.

It's hard enough keeping a serious debate thread free of spam, and now you want to make it *easier* for players to spam? That sounds remarkably unappealing to me. This forum is NOT meant to be about spamming. It's meant to be a political forum. If you want to spam, there are forums out there specifically for that. If you only want it to be for NS players, make your own and limit membership to NS players. But don't come here and try to inflict spam on everyone else and expect everyone to just bow down and let you. Not everyone likes spam. And it DOES annoy people - it clogs up the server, it makes it impossible to find threads quickly. And it's annoying. Not to you, but to other people.

1.) Is the SPAM forum not sufficient a playground?
2.) Where was this promised?



3.) Possibly they are overworked, but do you have any examples of refusals to justify the locking of threads once sufficient time for the moderators to take up the slack has elapsed?



4. You have every right to want democracy here, the same as others want it to follow different political ideologies, but there is no contractual opbligation for the powers that be to deliver democracy. Following on from this, on what basis do you justify the ruling that moderators cannot be part of the union, as you autocratically declared earlier, and what mechanisms are possibly open to you to prevent their joining under the guise of puppet nations should they desire to do so? It seems to me that the only sense of democracy workable in union decision making here is one based on one vote per nation, rather than per player, or the previously unstated stipulation that all voting members must also be UN members (which assumes that the moderators are not so corrupt as to sport UN multis themselves so as to detabilise the democratic process).

The spam forum is full of.. SPAMMERS..
The mOds are management. Let them form their own union... Aw, hell let's let the people decide that one too.
I had thought of the UN option but thought it best to discuss it at the membership meeting. It would be a good way to give one person one vote. I would be accused of puppeteering to get my way at such a meeting would I not?

This forum is NOT meant to be about spamming. It's meant to be a political forum.

No, it ain't: the best we can say is that it is "For discussion and debate about anything" (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1221) - however, this raises the point that Spam/Spam-lite isn't actually about anything, and thus should be precluded.

No, it ain't: the best we can say is that it is "For discussion and debate about anything" (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1221) - however, this raises the point that Spam/Spam-lite isn't actually about anything, and thus should be precluded from it.

Uh... I would have thought 'discussion and debate' would rule out spam, since it doesn't discuss anything, and there's no debate.

Of course, I'm assuming that 'discuss' is being used in the same context as it is on school exams, which makes sense since that use is close to 'debate' and all.

The spam forum is full of.. SPAMMERS..

So if you are in favour of a 'SPAM-LITE' forum why not take it up with Jolt, if you pay enugh, then I'm sure they'll oblige.

The mOds are management.

Seeing as how the Union has no constitution it seems unjustified to exclude them: you have already demonstrated that you have made the declaration that they can't join, without any consultation with other members.

Let them form their own union... Aw, hell let's let the people decide that one too.

Does people here (ie. those that will decide) include mods/admins, or are you sticking with your earlier undemocratic delcaration?

I had thought of the UN option but thought it best to discuss it at the membership meeting. It would be a good way to give one person one vote. I would be accused of puppeteering to get my way at such a meeting would I not?

So, in order to determine what kind of democracy the union members will get, they will have to undergo a democratic process to decide the matter. How will this democratic manner be determined?

No, it ain't: the best we can say is that it is "For discussion and debate about anything" (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1221) - however, this raises the point that Spam/Spam-lite isn't actually about anything, and thus should be precluded.


Spam lite is often about humour. Just now I wished for reform and someone reformed me into a poodle, I thought that was really quite funny. :)

Spam lite is often about humour. Just now I wished for reform and someone reformed me into a poodle, I thought that was really quite funny. :)

Can you explain how that is discussion or debate?

Spam lite is often about humour. Just now I wished for reform and someone reformed me into a poodle, I thought that was really quite funny. :)

That isn't an example of something which is 'about' humour in the sense of 'discussion and debate about': unlike, for example Freud's Jokes and their relation to the Subconscious. Instead it was an example of humour, as such, if it is off-topic, irrelevant or a multi-post, then it may fall into the category of Spam.

So if you are in favour of a 'SPAM-LITE' forum why not take it up with Jolt, if you pay enugh, then I'm sure they'll oblige.



Seeing as how the Union has no constitution it seems unjustified to exclude them: you have already demonstrated that you have made the declaration that they can't join, without any consultation with other members.



Does people here (ie. those that will decide) include mods/admins, or are you sticking with your earlier undemocratic delcaration?



So, in order to determine what kind of democracy the union members will get, they will have to undergo a democratic process to decide the matter. How will this democratic manner be determined?

Alot of this can get hashed out at a membership meeting.

I don't see any management types in real unions, but hey, if the people want them in then they will get in, but if we are asking for changes, won't the mOds say everything is just peachy now, so no change is required?

*Is confusled*

Can you explain how that is discussion or debate?

Sometimes you just have to let loose. A body has to unwind. I like to laugh. That reformed poodle thing made me laugh.

This is a game, right?

That isn't an example of something which is 'about' humour in the sense of 'discussion and debate about': unlike, for example Freud's Jokes and their relation to the Subconscious. Instead it was an example of humour, as such, if it is off-topic, irrelevant or a multi-post, then it may fall into the category of Spam.

It made me laugh.

Alot of this can get hashed out at a membership meeting.

...but what is the decision making process that will be used to do this hashing out?

I don't see any management types in real unions,

Have you never encountered a union-based worker's buy out of a company where the entire workforce becomes the management?

but hey, if the people want them in then they will get in,

Do the people here refered to include mods/admins or just the great unwashed?

but if we are asking for changes, won't the mOds say everything is just peachy now, so no change is required?

Assumption of the opinions of others is not a quality I would look for in a Union organiser.

It made me laugh.

So what you're saying is that spam-lite *doesn't* meet the criterea for being in the general forum but... you really like it, so the mods should allow it anyway?

Crazier and crazier.

http://www.miaclab.org/exhibits/icons/graphics/yearning01.jpg

Shit, foo, ain't you ever been to no grocery stores before? It's Spizzam with 50% less fat than regular Spizzam, for my peeps needin' to drop the weight so they can get all the fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine women!

Why's Max Barry trying to keep the half-meats down, foo? Shit.

Mah bruvver, lossa guys like J-Lo because of the junk in her trunk!

Mah bruvver, lossa guys like J-Lo because of the junk in her trunk!

J-Lo? More like J-Ho, foo. Shit.

[/hijack]

* notices disturbing trend in Spam-liteing by mods and ex-mods *

...but what is the decision making process that will be used to do this hashing out?



Have you never encountered a union-based worker's buy out of a company where the entire workforce becomes the management?



Do the people here refered to include mods/admins or just the great unwashed?



Assumption of the opinions of others is not a quality I would look for in a Union organiser.

Robert's rules of order.
Oh yes Algoma Steel, but I have not seen the inner workings of that. Does the contract become void? If it remains in effect, how does negotiation occur? I can't see someone sitting on both sides of the table. I will ask around..

I can't really see the mOds signing up. Kinda admitting things they do are wrong? If they do sign up, will they be seen as bonafide union members or as moles? I just can't see it, but hey we can talk about it.

If you are determined and look hard enough you will find alot about me you won't like.

* notices disturbing trend in Spam-liteing by mods and ex-mods *


Maybe a strike will not be required?

So what you're saying is that spam-lite *doesn't* meet the criterea for being in the general forum but... you really like it, so the mods should allow it anyway?

Crazier and crazier.

All work and no play...

Relax a little, have some fun, laugh. :)

All work and no play...

Relax a little, have some fun, laugh. :)

I actually have plenty of fun without needing to spam.

I actually have plenty of fun without needing to spam.

Ever post something just plain silly?
http://www.jedisparadise.co.uk/childrenstv/Fraggles/Fraggles.jpg

Like this entire thread?

Ever post something just plain silly?
http://www.jedisparadise.co.uk/childrenstv/Fraggles/Fraggles.jpg

Like this entire thread?

Uh... yes? All the time? Except usually not in picture form.

Show me something funny.

Show me something funny.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000005KUY.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.gif

Kilt pants! Check out the kilt pants!

Seriously, though, are you making a point in asking if Shaed can say something funny?

Show me something funny.

Feel free to go into the last seven pages of that silly 'Most beautiful woman on NS' thread. I found most of that highly amusing.

Or you could go find any of the various food/water fights I've started in PC. Those were a great deal of fun too.

Or do they not count because they're RPing?

Funny Kilt Pants Pic

Kilt pants! Check out the kilt pants!

Seriously, though, are you making a point in asking if Shaed can say something funny?

I saw those a while ago, sexy, but practical.

She seemes to need a hug. Or a lollypop. Wound up too tight?

Debate is ok, but I like to keep it lite.

Feel free to go into the last seven pages of that silly 'Most beautiful woman on NS' thread. I found most of that highly amusing.

Or you could go find any of the various food/water fights I've started in PC. Those were a great deal of fun too.

Or do they not count because they're RPing?

I didn't look in those threads. This one had your blood pressure up a point or two.

I didn't look in those threads. This one had your blood pressure up a point or two.

Meh. This thread is annoying. It irritates my reverse-underdog-syndrome... thing. If you want to see me when I'm being silly, you can drop by the next Myrth shrine.

I'm in charge of the harem and free hats there ^.^

Meh. This thread is annoying. It agrivates my reverse-underdog-syndrome... thing. If you want to see me when I'm being silly, you can drop by the next Myrth shrine.

I'm in charge of the harem and free hats there ^.^

Back in my day, I used to get harems. Women would take their digital tops off for me.

That's why I want reform among the mods. They're stealing all the chicks! I've only got one!

Meh. This thread is annoying. It agrivates my reverse-underdog-syndrome... thing. If you want to see me when I'm being silly, you can drop by the next Myrth shrine.

I'm in charge of the harem and free hats there ^.^

I just don't see going to another guys harem... Seems kinda weird

Why does the underdog agrivate you?

Sign up aleady!

Back in my day, I used to get harems. Women would take their digital tops off for me.

That's why I want reform among the mods. They're stealing all the chicks! I've only got one!


One is enough if she is the right one!

I just don't see going to another guys harem... Seems kinda weird

Why does the underdog agrivate you?

Sign up aleady!

Nono, to the *shrine*. The shrine isn't all harem. There's other stuff too. Anyway, you'd get a free hat. That alone should be enough motivation.

And it's not that underdogs irritate me, it's that I have a natural process that makes me feel sorry for the... um, 'overdogs'? Gah, English is my natural enemy. That and cheese midgets.

It's probably tied up with my adoration of evil overlords, I guess. Or maybe I've just spent too much time browsing my psychology book.

And no! I'll never sign up! I must preserve my lack-of-signature!

WG, what is this NS Local 8976 thing about?

Nono, to the *shrine*. The shrine isn't all harem. There's other stuff too. Anyway, you'd get a free hat. That alone should be enough motivation.

And it's not that underdogs irritate me, it's that I have a natural process that makes me feel sorry for the... um, 'overdogs'? Gah, English is my natural enemy. That and cheese midgets.

It's probably tied up with my adoration of evil overlords, I guess. Or maybe I've just spent too much time browsing my psychology book.

And no! I'll never sign up! I must preserve my lack-of-signature!

I'll come and get that hat, if you sign up.. :)

One is enough if she is the right one!

I'm pretty sure half a dozen > one.

Unless... my maths teachers have been LYING to me!

:eek:

I'll come and get that hat, if you sign up.. :)

Well, in that case I'll sign up next time a Myrth-shrine appears. Because until then there won't be anywhere for you to go to to get your hat.

WG, what is this NS Local 8976 thing about?

It's like the list but better. We are forming a union. We might go out on strike to demand rights as posters against mOd oppression.

http://img171.exs.cx/img171/2743/normarae2iz.gif

Well, in that case I'll sign up next time a Myrth-shrine appears. Because until then there won't be anywhere for you to go to to get your hat.


Aw crap, a loophole. Ok but I'll hold you to that promise.

Aw crap, a loophole. Ok but I'll hold you to that promise.

Obviously I'll have to take advantage of loopholes... hopefully the next shrine will be mis-labled a 'worship club' like the last one. Then I could continue with my sig-less-joy.

Obviously I'll have to take advantage of loopholes... hopefully the next shrine will be mis-labled a 'worship club' like the last one. Then I could continue with my sig-less-joy.

We will see... Sig-less joy? Sounds like a no-name-brand soy sause.

We will see... Sig-less joy? Sounds like a no-name-brand soy sause.

'Sause' eh? is that anything like 'sauce'?

*runs away before people point out her own spelling errors*

:p

Ever post something just plain silly?
http://www.jedisparadise.co.uk/childrenstv/Fraggles/Fraggles.jpg

Like this entire thread?


That was kinda what I assumed about it.


Aparently from some TGs I (and my wife) have received though, some people took my declared opposition of building a bureaucracy of lunatics to run the asylumn as an indicator that I was a supporter of the Mods in all their decisions.... lmao.


Some people must have completely missed the events of the past couple of months....

Union!

Biggest accomplishment so far:
getting stickied.


So what are we going to do today?

Biggest accomplishment so far:
getting stickied.


So what are we going to do today?

I was hoping to discuss the future policies a little, but we keep on getting sidetracked. What does the union want, what methods shall we use, etc?

Is it still ok to join? I probably won't accomplish much, but I would like to show my support for the members of NS Local 8976.

Is it still ok to join? I probably won't accomplish much, but I would like to show my support for the members of NS Local 8976.

Yeahm anyone can join whenever they like. You just put "Member of NS Local 8976" in your sig. We haven't even had our first official meeting yet.

EDIT: And I have doubts about whether or not the entire union would accomplish much, as technically we don't have the moral high ground and we don't actually have any way of forcing the mods to give in to our demands.

Sweet!!

And who needs the moral highground anyway, as long as you have the support of the masses? This site is for the enjoyment of all, and if most users stand together for or against an issue, I think the mods would have to at least consider the issue from other points of view. That is why they are called moderators. If they make one person happy and piss 10 people off, they aren't doing their jobs very well, are they.

Welcome to the club, Saetans Army. :)

Thank you for the welcome. Like I said before, I probably won't do much besides show my support, but I hope the support helps.

Sweet!!

And who needs the moral highground anyway, as long as you have the support of the masses? This site is for the enjoyment of all, and if most users stand together for or against an issue, I think the mods would have to at least consider the issue from other points of view. That is why they are called moderators. If they make one person happy and piss 10 people off, they aren't doing their jobs very well, are they.

That's the point. The union membership isn't very high. At a guess, I would say we have fifteen members at the most. We don't have the support of the masses, that is one of the reasons why we have no way of forcing the mods to accept our decisions.

What I have in mind for the union is for it to be a thinktank. We discuss proposals, vote on them and then submit the ideas to the mods, to be accepted or rejected. Although I think I may be at odds with WG on this point...


Anyway, welcome to the union, Saetan's Army. :)

SIf they make one person happy and piss 10 people off, they aren't doing their jobs very well, are they.

Happiness is not the criterion on which moderator action is assessed: rather whether it is an accord with their remit from Max and the Admins.

Giving the mods proposals at all would be an accomplishment, provided they actually give the proposals some thought. The fact that you are trying to organize should give them something to think about in and of itself.

By the way, what do the numbers mean, if anything?

By the way, what do the numbers mean, if anything?
Well...

good quistion. :confused:

By the way, what do the numbers mean, if anything?

I've been meaning to ask WG about that, actually... :confused:

Since we are not paid, have no medical benifits, no vacation days or holiday pay,
does the union at least provide free beer at the monthly union meetings?

My current union does :D

I'm putting my vote in/

Since we are not paid, have no medical benifits, no vacation days or holiday pay,
does the union at least provide free beer at the monthly union meetings?

My current union does :D

Sure, in the official union meeting threads, we will hand out metaphorical beer.

does the union at least provide free beer at the monthly union meetings?

According to the reasoning displayed by the Union members here: There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Beer.

Since we are not paid, have no medical benifits, no vacation days or holiday pay,
does the union at least provide free beer at the monthly union meetings?

My current union does :D
get yourself a cookie.

Thank you Brothers and Sisters for your hard work in my absence, and a special welcome to our new members!

From humble beginnings great things are accomplished.

As my great grand papy once said "Don't start and vast projects with half-vast ideas!"

Anyway, some answers to a few questions.

The numbers 8976 have no significance, they are assigned in sequence at the International Hall. So the next question is, logically, Are there 8975 other locals? No, each attempt to organize is assigned a number and some fail, due to Management union busting.

Good pick up on the free beer. You will be issued beer, but it has a "Union Made" Logo on it so IT AIN'T FREE! Besides we find that after a few of those most folks are more likely to be agreeable, and will vote Yay at the right time...

Brother Saetan: Yes just the fact that we are getting members has the mOds taking notice. Each time a member posts the sig is noted. If we have 10 members posting 10 times a day each, some poor mOd will see that sig 100 times. If we have 100 members posting... It's really quite an ingenious *coughevilcough* trick, don't you think?

Brother Zepp, what would it take to get you to sign up? If we get 250 members in the next week we get a free fridge from the International boys. It is really neat and has a big sticker on it, so it ain't free.. ;)

I was hoping to discuss the future policies a little, but we keep on getting sidetracked. What does the union want, what methods shall we use, etc?

Brother Chicken: You are quite correct we need to discuss all of these things, yet we need also to sign up members.. So much work. I appologize for the lack of progress, I guess I got sidetracked fighting with some Anti-Union folks that felt this site was free, and we should be grateful to be allowed to post here. I felt it was important to show them the light and not lose members we already had. We need to be vigilant. What can we do then? As my great grand mama once said "It takes many hands make a work light, but once its made its handy as hell" Let us keep at this please post your ideas and we will discuss them. I think we should hold a meeting soon, perhaps this weekend?

Brother Chicken: You are quite correct we need to discuss all of these things, yet we need also to sign up members.. So much work. I appologize for the lack of progress, I guess I got sidetracked fighting with some Anti-Union folks that felt this site was free, and we should be grateful to be allowed to post here. I felt it was important to show them the light and not lose members we already had. We need to be vigilant. What can we do then? As my great grand mama once said "It takes many hands make a work light, but once its made its handy as hell" Let us keep at this please post your ideas and we will discuss them. I think we should hold a meeting soon, perhaps this weekend?

'Make a work light'? Surely you mean 'to make light work', which actually refers to the work being easier, and not to the functionality of light?

Or has the universe been lying to me again (it's been doing that a lot lately)?

'Make a work light'? Surely you mean 'to make light work', which actually refers to the work being easier, and not to the functionality of light?

Or has the universe been lying to me again (it's been doing that a lot lately)?

Grand mama was a bit off. She was refering to one of these..

http://www.howardelectronics.com/scienscope/images/magnalight1.jpg

They are handy.. especially once you get a bit older.

Grand mama was a bit off. She was refering to one of these..

http://www.howardelectronics.com/scienscope/images/magnalight1.jpg

They are handy.. especially once you get a bit older.

o.O

I never want to get older ever ever . That looks like some sort of crazy medieval torture device.

It is union made BTW..

*looks around cluelessly*

This is a spam cult or sumthin'?

*looks around cluelessly*

This is a spam cult or sumthin'?

No, it's a union. Alot of us spammers feel we are being discriminated against. We keep hearing how spam ties up bandwidth, yet we feel RP ties up bandwidth equally. If we get alot of people signing up, the mOds will have to listen to us.

Wanna sign up, Bother Burnsian?

No, it's a union. Alot of us spammers feel we are being discriminated against. We keep hearing how spam ties up bandwidth, yet we feel RP ties up bandwidth equally. If we get alot of people signing up, the mOds will have to listen to us.

Wanna sign up, Bother Burnsian?

Sister Burnsian. :)

Sure. I loved Forum 7, but I like II just as much...

Sister Burnsian. :)

Sure. I loved Forum 7, but I like II just as much...

Sorry Sister Burnsian, my glasses need cleaning..

All you have to do is put "Member of Local 8976: in you sig and you are in!

Done! I feel special inside. What is our current activity in liberating spam from its mod-guarded cage?

Mainly I am signing up members. I spend time arguing with union busters and scabs. I discuss issues, demands, and tactics with members. We are planning a membership meeting soon.

Cool. No private forums or nothing?

And when you talk about member meetings, do you mean RL? 'Cause I live in Baton Rouge, and that's probably a looong ways away...

There is a region but I am alone there right now. There is an Invision Forum that talks about NS issues, I think there are IRC channels as well.

I don't have time for all that.

Baton Rouge? Wow that's what a thousand miles drive due south of here..

You have company. :)

I went to your website. That map looks like something.. Is it just me or does it look like one of those crossectional posters I saw at my Doctor's office?

I think its you. :)

I am way to lazy to read 41 pages of this. Could someone summurize what this is and why it is relevant to me. And why is it stickied. :confused:

what branin said...

I lost interest by page 30 ... with 15 posts per page ...

Seems to be spam-lite disguised as argumentive debate from several factions about wanting to or not or why not or why so or etc. , form a General Forum " Union " an such to " organise and vote in " requests for " changes ", like rule changes and being able to elect Moderatos for NS and all the usual " B.S. " we seem to all hear every few weeks and see get the same tried and true answer every time. Which is, just to be pedantic,

" No. "

And jolly well so, too. So much of this is such complete old hat I swear ...

Might I add I will " Litigate " the next person to " Legal Wank " in their " Body Corporate " and since almost none of you seem to have a clue of the basic legalese you assume to use and apply, you can assume that would be both emotionally up-setting and painful, when it is in actual fact a non-sensical application of some terms, but its not like you'll notice that ! It seems to be what some of you specialise in ... :rolleyes:

No, it's a union. Alot of us spammers feel we are being discriminated against. We keep hearing how spam ties up bandwidth, yet we feel RP ties up bandwidth equally.
You know, there is a reason people develop SPAM-blockers.

As to RP. While the forums were created specifically for debate and discussion, Max (aka the guy who friggin owns the place) was quite impressed with how things turned out, with various people rp-ing their nations. (He's said so on quite a few occasions)
On the other hand, spam has not been looked favorably upon from the get go.
RP has the potential for some interesting writing, and spam is just useless crap.

And if you feel "discriminated" against because you're spammers, maybe it's because nobody likes you.


If we get alot of people signing up, the mOds will have to listen to us.

Nope. This isn't a democracy and you aren't their bosses. They don't have to listen to any of us.
And even if you could somehow get 100 people to follow you and quit visiting NS (which I don't think you have the balls to do), I highly doubt you would hear any complaints from the mods.

I lost interest by page 30 ... with 15 posts per page ...

Seems to be spam-lite disguised as argumentive debate from several factions about wanting to or not or why not or why so or etc. , form a General Forum " Union " an such to " organise and vote in " requests for " changes ", like rule changes and being able to elect Moderatos for NS and all the usual " B.S. " we seem to all hear every few weeks and see get the same tried and true answer every time. Which is, just to be pedantic,

" No. "

And jolly well so, too. So much of this is such complete old hat I swear ...

Might I add I will " Litigate " the next person to " Legal Wank " in their " Body Corporate " and since almost none of you seem to have a clue of the basic legalese you assume to use and apply, you can assume that would be both emotionally up-setting and painful, when it is in actual fact a non-sensical application of some terms, but its not like you'll notice that ! It seems to be what some of you specialise in ... :rolleyes:

Were I one of the less eloquent people here, I would reply to this with a simple "shut up." However, I think this deserves a more complete response. And no, it is not "shut the fuck up," even if that is what is called for. Do you have a purpose coming into a forum that obviously has nothing to do with you and trying to insult the collective intelligence of all whom the forum does pertain? I thought not. You, sir, are worse than your opinion of a spammer. You are a troll, coming into a discussion that has absolutely nothing to do with you and trying to foment discord and turn this forum into a battle grounds, where people like you try to obstruct our mission through underhanded tactics such as irritation and agravation (trolling). Some people here do have some control of their baser instincts, and will not lash at such innane posts. Please, save yourself the time and effort (and do us all a favor) by not coming back here. Your textual voice will fall on deaf ears.

You know, there is a reason people develop SPAM-blockers.

As to RP. While the forums were created specifically for debate and discussion, Max (aka the guy who friggin owns the place) was quite impressed with how things turned out, with various people rp-ing their nations. (He's said so on quite a few occasions)
On the other hand, spam has not been looked favorably upon from the get go.
RP has the potential for some interesting writing, and spam is just useless crap.

And if you feel "discriminated" against because you're spammers, maybe it's because nobody likes you.


Nope. This isn't a democracy and you aren't their bosses. They don't have to listen to any of us.
And even if you could somehow get 100 people to follow you and quit visiting NS (which I don't think you have the balls to do), I highly doubt you would hear any complaints from the mods.

Good for the RPers. I'm so happy for them. Here's a cookie.

And who said the point of this was to leave NS? Read, imbecil, or is that beyond you? Knowing what you are talking (typing) about is on of the first steps to good conversation, and debate. Please read, if you can, my post to the troll above.

Everyone loves the union. :)

Don't they just? Were are such pleasent people here at the union!

We are happy people. :)

In brief, the union is simply a 'thinktank' for the mods, in which we discuss amongst ourselves proposals and present them to the mods. They might even give us some power if we're lucky. :) Ok, perhaps not. :p

Seeing as this topic is so clogged up, we'd probably keep this for main stuff and have proposal discussions on seperate topics - like you have Earth II, III, IV-only threads etc., we could have something like:

Poll options discussion (NS Local 8976)

BTW - can the NS mods control how many poll options people can do, or is that only the main Jolt mods? If the former, we might put in a petition for a [rational] raise in options

- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7976004&postcount=9 - see this post and the other posts in the first page, which shows the need.

Well?

Read, imbecil, or is that beyond you?

Indeed.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5457349&postcount=1

Flame: Expressing anger at someone in uncouth ways with OOC comments (i.e. swearing, being obnoxious, threatening etc.)though it does to watch what you post IC as well unless the other posters know you're not serious. Flaming in the forums should be reported in the Moderation forum, in the game itself, through Getting Help Page.

Well?

I think it would be very handy to have more poll options, especially considering how many "the most ________ NSer" threads we've been having lately. However, there may be a reason why it's limited to ten, so we'll have to ask the mods about that. Maybe it would use a lot of bandwidth, maybe it's just too difficult to change.

Indeed.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5457349&postcount=1
I assume you have a point there? Because I was proving mine. Sure, I could have expressed it better, but I am sure he understands.

I assume you have a point there?

Yup, it was just that calling people 'imbeciles' is frowned upon as it constitutes flaming.

First of all, I would like to apologize for the above sarcasm; after reading through the thread again, it was not called for.

As for imbecil, that was one of the less offensive words I could have used, and if he really does take offense to that, the are several other terms that come to mind...

i'm in

First of all, I would like to apologize for the above sarcasm; after reading through the thread again, it was not called for.

As for imbecil, that was one of the less offensive words I could have used, and if he really does take offense to that, the are several other terms that come to mind...
other offensive words? Like non-unionist?

@Right: nice sig. Welcome! :)

other offensive words? Like non-unionist?
Non-unionist is a little lacking. I was thinking of some vague reference to infants and breastmilk...

Let's make a list of various ideas and stuff, so we can edit the first few posts for the benefit of people viewing the thread for the first time. All the randomness we've got on it at the moment could put people off.

Let's make a list of various ideas and stuff, so we can edit the first few posts for the benefit of people viewing the thread for the first time. All the randomness we've got on it at the moment could put people off.

OK sounds good. I will be off line for about 4 hours, start without me I'll catch up..

Okay, here's the ideas I can remember:
- democratically elected mods (although this one's rather unrealistic). I reckon that the union could bring potential candidates to the attention of the mods, for them to choose. However, mod elections are a step too far.

- More poll options

- Spam-lite should be allowed (my personal definition of spam-lite is a thread which clearly has a point to it and is being enjoyed, but falls under the umbrella of "spam").


If anybody has any more suggestions, any ideas at all or wants to comment on these, please feel free to post a reply.

I think that Harrylandia should be our mascot, because he's better at being incoherent than I am.

Wow This Is A Pritty Foruem I Think Today I Am The Cheeta Of The Gobi And I Have A Leadership In The Andies With Full Firepower And Sleepwalking And Football. Happy Happy Joy Joy This Is My 70th Post Like The 70th Avaversirty Of The Garfield Comic Book, Today I Am The Lead Minister Of The World And I Will Jump Up And Down Because I8 Want This To Be My Stupidest Post Ever And I Am Out There, I Think Todya That I Am Theree As The 70tg Aniversity Of Spam (not The E Mail Type) Thye Type You Love To Eat With Spam Like In Hawii, Whwere I Will Dance The Huna Muna And I Will Lead The Word In The Eatery And I Am A Neewbee But I Am Zoio\ Which Amdnakej Ahklf;asj Ajfl;sdkj Adsfjk Ljfas Jkadfskljasdfl; Adfjskl Asdfl;k Means That I Will Type Jibberish Whebn I Get Tired And Oats Are Fun To Eat!!!!

Happy Happy Joy Joy


This Is A Offical Message O Fhte Supeeme Dictatoreship Of Harrylankdai And I Approve This Message For All The People To Read Every Word Of It For Thei8r Reading Value. I Think Today Is A Grand Day For All Of The People Of Harrylandai Becauese They Rank 9th In The Reagion Of Dictatorship And Once I Was In The Top 2000 Of All Of Nationstates For The Most Posts And Types Of Information Of The Workd.
O.o

o.O

x.x

O.o

o.O

x.x
Harrylandia's a mad genius!
At least...
I *think* he's a genius...
If he's not, he should be, because the we could have our very own mad genius!
YAAAY!

Sixy, you have strange ideas. Interesting, but strange.

*clicks the "edit signature" button*

...but falls under the umbrella of "spam"...

Like the temples to the mods?

Plus, I don't see you canvassing the people that never touch these forums. And yet, in some cases, they're more affected by mod rules than you are. You're missing a large portion of NS.

NS Local 2 - Disenfranchised North Pacific Natives?

Seriously though, a lot of us would be okay if the forums simply disappeared one day. One of the advantages of being a GamePlayer.

Damn straight, fool. I be gettin' my home taco Enodia an' my sheezy-deezy brizzo Amerigo up in here to show alla y'alls what REAL ex-moddin' is like!

Enodia is coming back? PLEASE say that wasn't a joke.... :)

NS Local 2 - Disenfranchised North Pacific Natives?

Seriously though, a lot of us would be okay if the forums simply disappeared one day. One of the advantages of being a GamePlayer.

lol... I don't think we need a Union. We've already got the Underground. ;)

This is coming along nicely. I would like to take this opportunity to welcome all the new members, and to thank all members for thier dedication to the cause.


http://img171.exs.cx/img171/2743/normarae2iz.gif

We have alot of work to do, but if we all keep at it we can get it done. I'm seeing the union logo in may of the threads and I'm sure that the mOds and adMins do as well. It brings a tear to by eye when I see that support out there.

As far as a platform goes we have alot of ideas to talk about, but what if we pick out top issues and go after them. If we clutter the agenda with too much stuff we risk not accomplishing anything. If we consentrate on one or two issues at a time, get progress on those and then move on, we might accomplish more.

Remember Sisters and Brothers Rome was not built in a day, but it was built with blood sweat and tears of workers. If those workers had a union back then Rome might have not fallen, and we might have Roman Baths instead of showers. Well Ok, that might be a stretch, but if they had a union they would have had coffee breaks, an VIII hour day and a V day week!

How does everyone feel about a membership meeting this weekend?

How does everyone feel about a membership meeting this weekend?

That'll be good. I think the main issues at the moment should be poll options and spam-lite.

:) i think unions are a very good idea

Yep, good idea. Seperate topic though - this one's WAY too clogged up. Unfortunately I won't be able to go on this weekend - I'll be in Birmingham.

TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION

1. Choosing mods - elections unlikely, but other ideas up for discussion, such as candidate selection or a ssmall percentage of influence.

2. More poll options - ask mods if they can control this or just Jolt mods. If yes, then we should discuss ideas for a raise of options to 15 or 20, which does actually come in helpful if you look through complications had on oher topics.

3. 'Spam-lite' - lobby for its allowance. (spam lite more in the Word Games side of spam)


[4. 180 second search times - can this be lowered in any way?]

Is this a physical meeting or just AIM or something?

Is this a physical meeting or just AIM or something?

Just a thread on this forum, which shall be titled "NS Local 8976 First Official Meeting" or something along those lines.


By the way, Chinkopedia, the search time idea is a good one. Also, occasionally I get a message saying that the administrator has specified that I can only post once every 30 seconds. I don't necessarily want that one changed, but I'm curious as to why it happens.

Good work Sisters and Brothers! Sign-ups continue and issues are becoming clear. We push for more members, we formalize a platform and we plot strategy.

This union will rock the foundations of NS.

This union will rock the foundations of NS.

Yes, when all your 'demands' are met with 'No' your foundations certainly will be rocked :rolleyes:

Yes, when all your 'demands' are met with 'No' your foundations certainly will be rocked :rolleyes:
<3 myrth. Can we just give an opinion on the mods?

lol... I don't think we need a Union. We've already got the Underground. ;)What is the underground?

Just a thread on this forum, which shall be titled "NS Local 8976 First Official Meeting" or something along those lines.


By the way, Chinkopedia, the search time idea is a good one. Also, occasionally I get a message saying that the administrator has specified that I can only post once every 30 seconds. I don't necessarily want that one changed, but I'm curious as to why it happens.

Those are the Jolt admins' settings. The NS mods, and maybe even [violet], have nothing to do with those. You'd have to appeal to them to have those changed, but something tells me there's a reason they're set the way they are, and the Jolt admins probably care even less about your 'demands' than the NS moderators.

What is the underground?

Ahaha, that is what they all ask, comrade.

*twirls moustache*



By the way, thanks for clearing that up, Sdaeriji.

Yes, when all your 'demands' are met with 'No' your foundations certainly will be rocked :rolleyes:

This might just surprise you. There is a desire for change afoot. Fair treatment is not an unreasonable demand.

<3 myrth. Can we just give an opinion on the mods?

Some are rude and smug, one might say arrogant.

This might just surprise you. There is a desire for change afoot. Fair treatment is not an unreasonable demand.
*weakly*

change....change....

This might just surprise you. There is a desire for change afoot. Fair treatment is not an unreasonable demand.

We still wouldn't be able to affect their decision, WG. We just couldn't gain enough support to have an effective strike. And even then, it's a moot point whether or not Jolt would get annoyed and force the mods to agree with us.

All in all, we're better off being nice and staying on the mod's good side.

We still wouldn't be able to affect their decision, WG. We just couldn't gain enough support to have an effective strike. And even then, it's a moot point whether or not Jolt would get annoyed and force the mods to agree with us.

All in all, we're better off being nice and staying on the mod's good side.

Being nice got us where we are today..

Being nice got us where we are today..

WG, we aren't being oppressed.

Also, occasionally I get a message saying that the administrator has specified that I can only post once every 30 seconds. I don't necessarily want that one changed, but I'm curious as to why it happens.

Antispam.

WG, we aren't being oppressed.
Yeah, I was gonna say, where we are today is a free game with free access to a forum. Not too bad.

This doesn't follow at all with the above posts, but...
I'm in!

Yeah, I was gonna say, where we are today is a free game with free access to a forum. Not too bad.


Any union wrth it's salt has a mix of radical and rational people. I think its a rule. Someones gotta be a bit radical, might as well be me.

We are getting members all the time, I don't know how many but I figure 20 anyway. Not a majority but its a start. We need a hot button issue to get people fired up.

Spammers r2 repressed. Spam is getting a bad rap.

Oh look free beer! (Free like this site!) No free lunch.

Some are rude and smug, one might say arrogant.

But that's why we love them so, isn't it? Mmmmarrogance.

After all, benevolent overlords are so boring.

But that's why we love them so, isn't it? Mmmmarrogance.

After all, benevolent overlords are so boring.

You will notice that this thread has been destickyfied. I am pleased.

yarrow

You will notice that this thread has been destickyfied. I am pleased.

As should everyone be. Too much random inanity on NS makes normal people sad.

As should everyone be. Too much random inanity on NS makes normal people sad.

As a slight hijack, how's the computer?

As a slight hijack, how's the computer?

Still sucking. I can't even access my TGs properly :(

All we'll do is give ideas to the mods. :rolleyes:

You will notice that this thread has been destickyfied. I am pleased.
That's because the mods are scared of us.

All we'll do is give ideas to the mods. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's the plan.

Yeah, that's the plan.

I know, but lots of people appear to think we all want to be 1337 m0dz0rz like Myrth. :p

I know, but lots of people appear to think we all want to be 1337 m0dz0rz like Myrth. :p

Nah, I reckon people just think we're a bit delusional. :)

That's because the mods are scared of us.

Power to the workers!

Erm, posters. Sorry.

That's because the mods are scared of us.

You are quite correct. Someone knows that if we get enough support NS will be changed forever.
This is like a snowball rolling down a mountain, it keeps growing.
Everytime I pop in more members have signed up.
This is a revolution.
We give the mOds ideas. We give them nightmares!

Muwahahahaha

Look Evil post number!!! :eek:

Here is an example of wht I have a problem with mOds.

This thread is allowed to go 2 pages and then gets locked.

No reason just "Piss off you peasants, because I can"

Click (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=391361)

So what's up in the union today?
Think constructive toughts.

So what's up in the union today?
Think constructive toughts.

We need to organize a membership meeting. Fill the beer fridge. Make banners...

I can make paintcrap banners. Beer is up to you guys.

Alright! Beer is in the fridge.

You will notice that this thread has been destickyfied. I am pleased.
That's because the mods are scared of us.
You are quite correct. Someone knows that if we get enough support NS will be changed forever.
This is like a snowball rolling down a mountain, it keeps growing.
Everytime I pop in more members have signed up.
This is a revolution.
We give the mOds ideas. We give them nightmares!

Muwahahahaha

Look Evil post number!!! :eek:

No, more like giving the General Forum what it wanted: a number of stickies were destickified, as per the request of forumites.

No, more like giving the General Forum what it wanted: a number of stickies were destickified, as per the request of forumites.


See? The union is having results already! :D The mOds are beginning to listen.

Keep up the good work my Sisters and Brothers! :D

Nah, I reckon people just think we're a bit delusional. :)

Only a 'bit'?

Only a 'bit'?


You don't understand.

You don't understand.

Must be that 'logic' thing getting in my way again.

Must be that 'logic' thing getting in my way again.

That is an assumption on your part. Just because you don't understand does not make it illogical. Wait until you have been layed off by some company while the bosse's son stayes on, or your wages get cut and your hours of work increased. You have been sheltered and just don't understand. A union can be a frend in a pinch. A union can get you fair treatment. Rights. A say.

That is an assumption on your part. Just because you don't understand does not make it illogical. Wait until you have been layed off by some company while the bosse's son stayes on, or your wages get cut and your hours of work increased. You have been sheltered and just don't understand. A union can be a frend in a pinch. A union can get you fair treatment. Rights. A say.

I don't have a job, being a student and all.

And that's a false comparison. If I was WORKING, I'd deserve rights. Posting crap on an online forum != working. People who post here don't deserve anything, and so there's no need for a union.

Don't assume that because I'm against this union that I'm against them all.

I don't have a job, being a student and all.

And that's a false comparison. If I was WORKING, I'd deserve rights. Posting crap on an online forum != working. People who post here don't deserve anything, and so there's no need for a union.

Don't assume that because I'm against this union that I'm against them all.


I don't believe that it is a false comparison. I could have called it an association , but it would still be an organization trying to achieve change.

I believe there is a need for a union here. Most mOds are quite good, some are not. The posters deserve dignity and respect. They spend time here and have ideas for improvements. They deserve to have those ideas heard. If they have been treated unfairly they deserve some sort of independant appeal process. One run by people they know, not some mythical, invisible owner, who may or not actually exist.

People don't read the rules. Deal with it! When you install software do you read the legal text?

I never said you were against all unions, I said you didn't understand, and you don't.

I don't believe that it is a false comparison. I could have called it an association , but it would still be an organization trying to achieve change.

I believe there is a need for a union here. Most mOds are quite good, some are not. The posters deserve dignity and respect. They spend time here and have ideas for improvements. They deserve to have those ideas heard. If they have been treated unfairly they deserve some sort of independant appeal process. One run by people they know, not some mythical, invisible owner, who may or not actually exist.

People don't read the rules. Deal with it! When you install software do you read the legal text?

I never said you were against all unions, I said you didn't understand, and you don't.

You haven't explained why posters deserve anything. Not in any thread on the matter I've read. When confronted, you change that at say 'Werrrll, we don't actually DESERVE it, but it would be NICE". If that's the case, you should bloody well stop claiming we 'deserve' things.

And saying 'people don't read rules, deal with it' is a cop out. That's not the mods fault, that's the users fault. If you break the rules, the mods aren't here to coddle you and say 'awww, well, that's ok. we'll just look the other way'.

Ignorance of the rules is not a defense, and it shouldn't be. If I broke a rule I didn't know about, I'd damn well expect to be punished because, get this, I broke a rule. I'd hope that it would only be a temporary ban (better still a warning), but if it meant I was no longer welcome on the forums I would move on. Because I deserve nothing. I'm a guest on this forum, and if I'm told to leave, I'll have the courtesy to do so. If I'm told that I'm breaking a rule, and to cut it out, I'll do so.

You haven't explained why posters deserve anything. Not in any thread on the matter I've read. When confronted, you change that at say 'Werrrll, we don't actually DESERVE it, but it would be NICE". If that's the case, you should bloody well stop claiming we 'deserve' things.

And saying 'people don't read rules, deal with it' is a cop out. That's not the mods fault, that's the users fault. If you break the rules, the mods aren't here to coddle you and say 'awww, well, that's ok. we'll just look the other way'.

Ignorance of the rules is not a defense, and it shouldn't be. If I broke a rule I didn't know about, I'd damn well expect to be punished because, get this, I broke a rule. I'd hope that it would only be a temporary ban (better still a warning), but if it meant I was no longer welcome on the forums I would move on. Because I deserve nothing. I'm a guest on this forum, and if I'm told to leave, I'll have the courtesy to do so. If I'm told that I'm breaking a rule, and to cut it out, I'll do so.

Simple basic human rights, for one. We deserve that. We spend time here, we feel a part of this. Someone is making money off us being here. That means we are invited guests. You found this site through some form of advertizing. If you invite a guest to your home you treat them nice. You show them the bathroom and offer them tea...

I don't believe I ever said we don't deserve this.

Certain people should get deleted. Those cases are quite obvious. I really don't believe that the mOds are infailable and beyond making a mistake. There needs to be a third party to mediate in these grey areas. There needs to be more mOds. There ARE good folks out there.

Would you not get pissed if your deletion was not warranted? We deserve a union.

Shaed's right, though. You've never once demonstrated why we deserve anything. You've said why it would be preferable, but not why we are due anything.

Simple basic human rights, for one. We deserve that. We spend time here, we feel a part of this. Someone is making money off us being here. That means we are invited guests. You found this site through some form of advertizing. If you invite a guest to your home you treat them nice. You show them the bathroom and offer them tea...

I don't believe I ever said we don't deserve this.

"basic human rights"? What in the name of Cthulhu are you on about? Basic human rights do NOT include the rights to spam-lite, polite deletion messages or more moderators.
I did NOT find my way here through advertising, I found my way from another forum. We are invited guests, and the second that invitation is withdrawn (when we break a rule), we're expected to act like adults and LEAVE.

Certain people should get deleted. Those cases are quite obvious. I really don't believe that the mOds are infailable and beyond making a mistake. There needs to be a third party to mediate in these grey areas. There needs to be more mOds. There ARE good folks out there.

Would you not get pissed if your deletion was not warranted? We deserve a union.

I wouldn't get pissed. I'd MOVE ON. To another forum, or maybe offline altogether, considering what a big part of my online time is spent on NS. Because if I were deleted, it would mean I WAS NOT WANTED HERE. Full stop, period. No longer welcome, no rights, nothing. If it happened due to what I veiwed as a mistake, I'd ask someone to politely make a thread about it in Moderation. If I was told the decision wasn't going to be reversed, I'd accept it. And then get over it.

We deserve nothing, no matter how desperately you want to believe it.
Everything we are given is a free bonus that we've done nothing to earn.

"basic human rights"? What in the name of Cthulhu are you on about? Basic human rights do NOT include the rights to spam-lite, polite deletion messages or more moderators.
I did NOT find my way here through advertising, I found my way from another forum. We are invited guests, and the second that invitation is withdrawn (when we break a rule), we're expected to act like adults and LEAVE.



I wouldn't get pissed. I'd MOVE ON. To another forum, or maybe offline altogether, considering what a big part of my online time is spent on NS. Because if I were deleted, it would mean I WAS NOT WANTED HERE. Full stop, period. No longer welcome, no rights, nothing. If it happened due to what I veiwed as a mistake, I'd ask someone to politely make a thread about it in Moderation. If I was told the decision wasn't going to be reversed, I'd accept it. And then get over it.

We deserve nothing, no matter how desperately you want to believe it.
Everything we are given is a free bonus that we've done nothing to earn.

I guess we should just agree to disagree on the deserving stuff. If you don't like my idea just don't post here. How about I just ask you nicely to leave the union threads alone? I think your position is quite clear. The mOds are the best, they have rights, power, authority and they never make mistakes. Ok. Keep up the hero worship, I really hope you enjoy it. Have a nice life, it was fun. I won't be coming for the hat.

Based on who has posted in this thread, you have, including yourself, a maximum of 56 supporters. Keep in mind that number includes no less than 3 moderators or ex-moderators, and several people like myself or Shaed who think you've gone completely bat-shit insane.

Based on who has posted in this thread, you have, including yourself, a maximum of 56 supporters. Keep in mind that number includes no less than 3 moderators or ex-moderators, and several people like myself or Shaed who think you've gone completely bat-shit insane.

Now that's funny! Bat-shit insane! I have never heard that one. :D

56 is pretty good so far. I figured on alot less at first. Now I think that this might just take off.

I had an ex mod sign up!

Some people suggested that mOds would be able to join and I was autocratic for thinking .. Why?

This idea has folks thinking. (Some of them are not thinking nice thoughts, but they are thinking)

Katz, if you are out there, what do you think about the idea? Have you used it in class?

Coming soon. Membership Meeting Number One

Heheh all right, I'm in. :)

56 is pretty good so far. I figured on alot less at first. Now I think that this might just take off.
Fifty-six *is* greater than forty-two!

Heheh all right, I'm in.

:eek:

:eek:

*seconds the :eek:*

Heheh all right, I'm in. :)

Thanks so much! As promised heres a nickel!


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http://www.sciencenorth.on.ca/photoarchive/birthday/lowres/BN-fireworks.jpg

http://www-old.miningandconstruction.com/foto2/1_02Inco3.jpg

Quite a coup eh? :D Sisters and Brothers we now have two Ex mOds as members in good standing!

OK here is something. Some signatures are considered offensive and can be changed by a mOd. There is no rule here. If its too big its "offensive".

One won't get punished, so far..

Offensive like porn and racial stuff I can see, but "too long or too big?

wow, no wonder this union is getting support.

I don't like it so I will change it on you. Nothing you can do about it.

Link to thread in mOderation. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=393439)

What is next red text? :eek:

Ok the membership meeting is soon, post to let me know you are here and ready.

Yep, good idea. Seperate topic though - this one's WAY too clogged up. Unfortunately I won't be able to go on this weekend - I'll be in Birmingham.

TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION

1. Choosing mods - elections unlikely, but other ideas up for discussion, such as candidate selection or a ssmall percentage of influence.

2. More poll options - ask mods if they can control this or just Jolt mods. If yes, then we should discuss ideas for a raise of options to 15 or 20, which does actually come in helpful if you look through complications had on oher topics.

3. 'Spam-lite' - lobby for its allowance. (spam lite more in the Word Games side of spam)


[4. 180 second search times - can this be lowered in any way?]


Note that Jolt has a serious discussion forum (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1038).

Go there if you want no spam!

They also have a place for flaming and country bashing (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=283)

Put the anti-Bush and anti-American stuff there!

Gotta be over 60 members now. Are any on line and ready for our first meeting?

Gotta be over 60 members now. Are any on line and ready for our first meeting?on-line and ready for the first meeting.

I don't see many others on at the moment..

Brother Ocean while we wait for more members what do you think about this for a frame work for a meeting?

Welcome Sisters and Brothers! We have come a long was since the idea was first hatched. I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the members for their hard work over the last week or so.

First a few rules.

1. We shall select a chairperson for this meeting. All posters shall address the chair. The chair shall recognize the member if they are in good standing and are on topic as per the agenda.

2. All decisions are subject to a vote. A majority of members present passes the motion. Members vote by posting when the vote is called by the chair. (All in favour..) post post post (all opposed? ) post Motion carried 3 to 1

3. Members shall work off the agenda. Keep the posts on topic each topic on the agenda will be discussed and when that is complete the item is written as a motion to be voted on. Discuss topic.. discussion over.. Be it resolved that we the members of NS local 8976 feel that ... All in favour...

4. The agenda follows.

Agenda

1: Nominations for Chair
2: Chairs comments (if any)
3: Approval of agenda: (chance to place items on agenda)
4: Motion on spam lite: Discussion..word the motion..vote on it..
5: Motion on mOds selection:
6: Motion on this Originally posted by Chinkopodia

The NS Local 8976, considering that it has been summoned to establish the constitution of the forum, to effect the regeneration of the public order, and to maintain the true principles of modship; that nothing can prevent it from continuing its deliberations in whatever place it may be forced to establish itself; and, finally, that wheresoever its members are assembled, there is the NS Local 8976;

Decrees that all members of the NS Local 8976 shall immediately take a solemn oath not to stop posting, and to start new topics wherever circumstances require, until the constitution of the forum is established and consolidated upon firm foundations; and that, the said oath taken, all members and each one of them individually shall ratify this steadfast resolution by a message in their signature.

7: Motion more poll options:

8: Motion on search times:

9: Other Motions?:

10: Motion on tactics:

11: Motion on negotiating team: (Suggest we have a meeting just for these nominations)

12: Other Business:

13: Next meeting:

14: Motion to close meeting:

Looks like tommorrow for the meeting

Katz, if you are out there, what do you think about the idea? Have you used it in class?

Well... since you've asked...

I did indeed try in my first years of teaching to be quite democratic in allowing the students to decide on the class rules, and when tests would be given, and on what form the assessments would take. It was an absolute mess.

The next thing I tried was to hand out a rules sheet and ask students to read them, and said that as a class we could decide to alter or replace some of the rules. Then everyone complained when I explained why we could not eliminate tests, homework, and the like.

Now, I hand out the rules and say, "This is what is expected of you." So long as people behave well and we get work done, I loosen the restrictions... but when people behave badly, I remind them of the consequences spelled out in the rules. If they continue, then I follow through.

Oddly enough, the proportion of students who complained bitterly about this to students who sought to take more courses with me is about ten to several thousand.

Wassail, my union brothers and sisters!

We can rejoice and be glad as our thread has been de-stickied! Having our thread stickied was a victory to be certain, a sign that the mods were bending to our whims and desires like wheat in the wind. HOWEVER, to see our thread de-stickied is an even greater victory! After all, was it not our people who called for a reduced number of stickied threads in the General forum? Was it not by our hand that this thread, once stickied (and all glory for that!), has now been dropped among the common rabble?

The mods are playing into our hands like putty, and we will mold them to better suit the whims of our union! Their tyrannical stronghold, once strong, is now as flimsy as a house of cards, and at our very breath--yes, indeed, our very respiration, my brothers and sisters!--it will collapse on top of itself like a house of cards!

For our next whim, perhaps we should seek to get this thread Archived--proving our worth--and then removed from the Archive--proving that the Archive is being watered down by too many threads!

HUZZAH AND THANKS TO Y'ALL!

http://snl.jt.org/arc/char/ChRo-Nat%20X.jpg
Slagdor the Unionator
Puttin' Down the MAN!
The Emerald Heights of The SLAGLands

Checking in...

Hello, I have very little idea of what this actually is, but I see that Chicken Pi, Word Games and Haken Rider are members. Therefore, it is cool an I wanna join. Ahh, go on. Go on. Go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on GO ON!

Hello, I have very little idea of what this actually is, but I see that Chicken Pi, Word Games and Haken Rider are members. Therefore, it is cool an I wanna join. Ahh, go on. Go on. Go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on GO ON!

Once you add "Member of NS Local 8976" to your signature, you are in. We will show you the secret handshake and get you a key for the beer fridge.

Wassail, my union brothers and sisters!

We can rejoice and be glad as our thread has been de-stickied! Having our thread stickied was a victory to be certain, a sign that the mods were bending to our whims and desires like wheat in the wind. HOWEVER, to see our thread de-stickied is an even greater victory! After all, was it not our people who called for a reduced number of stickied threads in the General forum? Was it not by our hand that this thread, once stickied (and all glory for that!), has now been dropped among the common rabble?

The mods are playing into our hands like putty, and we will mold them to better suit the whims of our union! Their tyrannical stronghold, once strong, is now as flimsy as a house of cards, and at our very breath--yes, indeed, our very respiration, my brothers and sisters!--it will collapse on top of itself like a house of cards!

For our next whim, perhaps we should seek to get this thread Archived--proving our worth--and then removed from the Archive--proving that the Archive is being watered down by too many threads!

HUZZAH AND THANKS TO Y'ALL!

:)
Slagdor the Unionator
Puttin' Down the MAN!
The Emerald Heights of The SLAGLands

The sticky was just to mock us, the de-sticky was "oh my, these guys are serious!!"
We get more members every day. That is he true measure of success.
An archivification would be a sign that they want this dead! Can they do that without a request?

Well... since you've asked...

I did indeed try in my first years of teaching to be quite democratic in allowing the students to decide on the class rules, and when tests would be given, and on what form the assessments would take. It was an absolute mess.

The next thing I tried was to hand out a rules sheet and ask students to read them, and said that as a class we could decide to alter or replace some of the rules. Then everyone complained when I explained why we could not eliminate tests, homework, and the like.

Now, I hand out the rules and say, "This is what is expected of you." So long as people behave well and we get work done, I loosen the restrictions... but when people behave badly, I remind them of the consequences spelled out in the rules. If they continue, then I follow through.

Oddly enough, the proportion of students who complained bitterly about this to students who sought to take more courses with me is about ten to several thousand.

Perhaps we could put an age limit on democracy?

Brother Ocean while we wait for more members what do you think about this for a frame work for a meeting?

Frame work for a meeting...Due to multiple timezones...its better to have a email vote, or a IRCchannel vote.

9: Other Motions?:

IMO the current MOD selection system is fine.
I see Mods as Football referees...they are natural targets when we dont get the call our way...

here is my motion...Mod are now like EUfootbal refs...they make the call...and they dont have to say why.

I would like them to be like USfootball refs...where they speak up and say what rule are they applying... They coulld keep a small(3 or 5 words) log of that in the moderation Forum...and keep a log of the warnings.

That what i Like the Modzor...he is ruthless, but he always say he is the one doing it(he understant he is going to be hated sometimes)...and why he did it ... and I like his Alcapow3ed gifs too.

and I like the "locked pending review" its like instant replay.en we dont get the call our way...

Mmm, I always seem to mis the meetings.
Better make it a meaningful post:

Join the Union or be an onion.
Put "NS Local 8976" in your sig.

...

Yup, looks like it's nap-time or more more emberasment for me.

Probably mis-spelled that.

crap.

I'm here.

Bit late, I know. I just got back from the Midlands.

Aight, let's do... some... thing.

*wanders into empty hall, party streamers on the ground, empty glasses everywhere*

hello? I'm a member now? Somebody?

*his voice echoes in the desolate room*

Story of my fucking life, this

Hey Longton! Have you seen the union beer keg anywhere?

i'm here

Hey Longton! Have you seen the union beer keg anywhere?
No. And it is definitely not in the back of my car.

i'm here
Where? the toilets? Oh god, I'm missing ANOTHER impromptu toilet orgy aren't I. Damn

Where? the toilets? Oh god, I'm missing ANOTHER impromptu toilet orgy aren't I. Damn
ehhh that was bizarre.

I would like to sign up to join this union.

I would like to sign up to join this union.
slap 'Member of NS Local 8976' in your sig. Ta daa. You are a member.

On another topic, why the 8976?

I would like to sign up to join this union.

Just place "Member of NS Local 8976" into your signature!

Welcome! :)

i'd like a sprite plus vodka plz

On another topic, why the 8976?

I've pondered that myself. Having googled it and came up with nothing union-related, I would guess that WG pulled the number out his ass.

Although, it might be a good idea to ask WG about that. Nobody's gotten round to asking him yet.

EDIT: Oh, WG's online! So, why 8976?

Hey, Word Games. Why 8976?

Hey, Word Games. Why 8976?

set by International Hall, sequential number for each organizing attempt

lets get it started in here

By the way, are non-union members going to be allowed to take part in the meeting?

set by International Hall, sequential number for each organizing attempt
And once again, for those of us with a hill-billie education

Oh, and Antabellum South: Indeed

And once again, for those of us with a hill-billie education

Oh, and Antabellum South: Indeed

Headquarters sets the number. They use one first, then two... :)

*banjo music plays*

hey y'all

*chews on straw and scratches butt through overalls*

sounds like a mighty fine ideer

*takes swig from cider jug with three x's and swats flies from face*

but what's all them squigglys for? u know, the numbers?

*banjo music plays*

hey y'all

*chews on straw and scratches butt through overalls*

sounds like a mighty fine ideer

*takes swig from cider jug with three x's and swats flies from face*

but what's all them squigglys for? u know, the numbers?
*spits*

hot damn! I'm gowna eat surm pidgins tehnight, Ah tell you what!

*Theme from Deliverance*

*Theme from Deliverance*
Squeal Piggy, squeal!

That film made me the man I am today. Scarred and warped

*tag till I get a chance to read more*

Squeal Piggy, squeal!

That film made me the man I am today. Scarred and warped

Aw crap I have to go soon, can someone take the chair for a couple of hours??

Longson, Chicken?

Aw crap I have to go soon, can someone take the chair for a couple of hours??

Longson, Chicken?
Sorry, it's midnight. I have to sleep. Please. Just let me go

Sorry, it's midnight. I have to sleep. Please. Just let me go

ok, Chicken?

Aw crap I have to go soon, can someone take the chair for a couple of hours??

Longson, Chicken?

Sorry, I can't help. I was just planning to spend another half-hour or so on the forum before going to bed, we really need someone who has a few hours to spare to take the chair.

You could ask Right Thinking Whites, Neo-Anarchists or Witzgall. They seem pretty suitable to be chair for a bit, Witzgall's only just joined the conversation so he may be online for a while yet.

Sorry, I can't help. I was just planning to spend another half-hour or so on the forum before going to bed, we really need someone who has a few hours to spare to take the chair.

Its not that late here but I have to go do something..

OK we use this thread to talk stuff over and the other is the meeting

Wha's the link to the other thread?

Wha's the link to the other thread?
other... thread?

other... thread?
Morning.

Morning.
Evening.

OK we use this thread to talk stuff over and the other is the meeting

.

Wha's the link to the other thread?

Link's in my sig.

This little piggy went to market,
This little piggy stayed at home.
This little piggy had roast beef,
This little piggy had none.
And this little piggy went "Gimme all your cash or the big toe gets it, bitch!"

I've pondered that myself. Having googled it and came up with nothing union-related, I would guess that WG pulled the number out his ass.

Although, it might be a good idea to ask WG about that. Nobody's gotten round to asking him yet.

EDIT: Oh, WG's online! So, why 8976?

If we start a FAQ this will be question #1! :)

Actually I twiddled my fingers on the number row...
:)

Ok we have to jumpstart this thing somehow.

Let's discuss ideas for proposals for Membership meeting 2!

And chat casually and play word games (not with Word Games, you filthy-minded.....), or course. ;)

Let's discuss this matter:

Can we allow a little spam into the forum? I mean, some of it is just pointless e.g. Reactionary pointless junk or immature thoughts spewed from the brain of a horny adolescent (like 'Huhh, boobs, or something). But some other stuff is fun!

I have no idea of my point. Or indeed the argument. I just haven't posted for a while and felt the need for a post.

Errrrmmm...on those fronts it's thin ice really, because you might end up with a whole load of people saying "I feel like some sex!!!11eleven!1!" or "w00t i'm horny yea". It's like endlessly repetitive topics about abortion, but on the subject of "'Huhh" or "Boobs". Even if it's a picture of a ram with big horns or a blue-footed booby bird. :rolleyes:

Hey! That could be our next big discussion on NS Local 8976 main topic!

What is spamlite?