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One Word:

Blackstone

One word: Gav Thorpe rewriting the rules so that all 40K models have a toughness of 10 and a 1+ special safe.

Uhhh...That's several words.Sorry :D

Good Lord! Who the hell cares? Yeah, W40k may be better than Star Wars and Star trek, but I think Warhammer is better than them all.

Uhhh...That's several words.Sorry :D

Nonsense. Have you not been taking your happy pills citizen?

40k.

Bloodthirster. (Greater demon of Khorne)

without armor it can take a few tank shells and practically not feel anything. then it runs over and pushes your ATAT over sideways. It is the physical embodiment of the blood god, and could continue to reposses Commandos until all of its enemies were killed, so killing it the first 50,000 times wouldn't mean anything.
:D

One word: Gav Thorpe rewriting the rules so that all 40K models have a toughness of 10 and a 1+ special safe.

Winner!

He could also give everyone man-portable Void shields.

Nonsense. Have you not been taking your happy pills citizen?

I take loadsa happy pills. Why do you think I haunt people with big hair?

Somebody said something about 40k not having anything like AT-ATs. What about Impetator Titans? With it's plasma anhilator and other crazy guns, it would eat a whole army of AT-ATs for breakfast.

^ Imperator

40k did always seem to be a bit godmodish

chants 40k all the way

One word:

Superlaser

One word:

Galaxy Gun.

Interesting as to how WH40K got in here instead of say...Babylon 5, Andromida, pick your movie/series/book.

Anyway, it doesn't matter.

What does matter here the "rules" of this comparison. I use quotes because I am talking about freedoms rather then limits. The origional question was, "40K v SW v ST, who would win?" But to answer that, we need to establish some guidelines here.


The first and foremost question is, are we really talking about one universe against another?

Do you really expect the Ctan, Eldar, etc. etc. to team up? What about Republic and Empire? Federation and Dominion? And what about those external nations (Yuuzan Vong, Species XXX, B5's 3rdSpace Aliens, etc.) and third-party dieties (gods, dead jedi, Q, etc.)? Do they take part?


The second most important question is, What time in each universe are we using?

Can we say: Old Republic, Empire, and New Republic all face off against ST:TOS, NG/DS9, and post-Voyager Federations? Who's ship numbers do we use? Who's technologies? Who's population and industrial strengths?


The last main question is, How do these all mesh?

Can you use the same planet twice because it exists in two different time periods? Can various factions combine their technologies? What about artifacts that were lost in the timeline, are those available?


Ultimately, it comes down to what we are comparing (Pure universe v. universe? Main nations/groups v. each other? Certain timelines?) and the limits and restrictions we put on it.

Of course, this whole thread, like every other like it is probably the same thing in disguise. The author and everyone reading it aren't really concerned about who would win, but rather about which universe is better.

But who is listening to this whole diatribe anyway? You probably all want to get back to pointless debate.

In case someone is listening though...perhaps you can answer those three main questions.

Interesting as to how WH40K got in here instead of say...Babylon 5, Andromida, pick your movie/series/book.

Anyway, it doesn't matter.

What does matter here the "rules" of this comparison. I use quotes because I am talking about freedoms rather then limits. The origional question was, "40K v SW v ST, who would win?" But to answer that, we need to establish some guidelines here.


The first and foremost question is, are we really talking about one universe against another?

Do you really expect the Ctan, Eldar, etc. etc. to team up? What about Republic and Empire? Federation and Dominion? And what about those external nations (Yuuzan Vong, Species XXX, B5's 3rdSpace Aliens, etc.) and third-party dieties (gods, dead jedi, Q, etc.)? Do they take part?
This often ties in with the second question. SW may be the easiest to team up together, although that's not guaranteed. About 5 or so years before the NJO series, there was a book duology called Spectres of the Past and Vision of the Future. Here, it details how Admiral Pellaeon, now Supreme Commander of the Imperial Navy, decides that the best course of action to prevent the destruction of the Imperial Remnant is to contact the New Republic and sue for peace. It almost failed, but managed to succeed.Any point after that, you can probably have Empire and Republic working together to defeat a threat.

Other questions are usually the descretion of the author(s) involved, but they must take into account individual and group personalities.

The second most important question is, What time in each universe are we using?

Can we say: Old Republic, Empire, and New Republic all face off against ST:TOS, NG/DS9, and post-Voyager Federations? Who's ship numbers do we use? Who's technologies? Who's population and industrial strengths?
Descretion of the authors. I recommend a combination of canon and official stats, common sense, and dramatic flair.

The last main question is, How do these all mesh?

Can you use the same planet twice because it exists in two different time periods? Can various factions combine their technologies? What about artifacts that were lost in the timeline, are those available?
Depends on how compatible the two different technologies are. Most of the time, it will just be a matter of jury-rigging some weapon to some power supply and there you go. Other times, it will require special research by both factions to get the technology to work.

Ultimately, it comes down to what we are comparing (Pure universe v. universe? Main nations/groups v. each other? Certain timelines?) and the limits and restrictions we put on it.

Of course, this whole thread, like every other like it is probably the same thing in disguise. The author and everyone reading it aren't really concerned about who would win, but rather about which universe is better.

But who is listening to this whole diatribe anyway? You probably all want to get back to pointless debate.

In case someone is listening though...perhaps you can answer those three main questions.
Lol, we probably will return to pointless. But some of us love thought-provoking questions like these, especially those who want a serious story.

Surely the time periods of the events matter too?

Otherwise it's like saying who'd win 15th century or 21st century!

Hmmm!

Surely the time periods of the events matter too?

Otherwise it's like saying who'd win 15th century or 21st century!

Hmmm!

Typically in debates, people go with the time periods best known. In other words, for SW it'd be the Empire/Rebellion time period, since we have the best idea of it's capabilities and strengths/weaknesses. For ST, it'd be TNG/DS9/Voyager era, and 40K, it'd probably be either wherever it is right now, or before the 13th Black Crusade.

Either way, it still won't matter what era of ST is it, it gets knocked out early by either 40K or SW, who then proceed to rip into each other.

Typically in debates, people go with the time periods best known. In other words, for SW it'd be the Empire/Rebellion time period, since we have the best idea of it's capabilities and strengths/weaknesses. For ST, it'd be TNG/DS9/Voyager era, and 40K, it'd probably be either wherever it is right now, or before the 13th Black Crusade.

Either way, it still won't matter what era of ST is it, it gets knocked out early by either 40K or SW, who then proceed to rip into each other.

Too true. ST technologie, as cool as some is, will be wiped out compleatly by 40k and SW.

One word:

Galaxy Gun.

That's two words, and here's another two:

World Devastators

I take loadsa happy pills. Why do you think I haunt people with big hair?

I think you are a mutant commie traitor.

Here are another two words:

Sun Crusher

(Will be available in the Universe Mesh RP for those who play SW)