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As a constant debate, my friends and I would argue for hours on whether Warhammer 40K, Star Trek, or Star Wars would win in a universal battle for Supremacy.

40k. No denying it.

Star Wars easily

Star Trek

No, 40K. It has the C'tan at least.

40k would win hands down.

Billions upon billions of footsoldiers.
Hundreds of Thousands of super humans.
And Infinite flow of demons and corruption.
Quadrillions of giant aliens.
Impossible to kill robots.
Fleets of almost infinite size.
And much much more.
Oh yea I forgot...
At least ten gods, yes you heared me GODS!

Hell, the Imperial Guard could defeat Star Trek without any help from the C'tan.

The C'tan, Khorne, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, and Nurgle can handle Star Wars.

You'd be fighting a huge number of gods if you were against 40K. I say they'd trash you all. You must remember we have the cheesy powergamers to boost our might, where as Star Wars and Star Trek keeps pretty much to the background that has been written before. GW just change 40K on a whim.... :)

40K.
Vast forces like the Imperium of Man; the Forces of Chaos; the Orks, the Tyranids, the Necrons; weapons like the Planet Killer and the Talismans of Vaul; various deities...

Warhammer would win over the other two as it is built around the premise of eternal war. Each civilisation more or less mobilised always for war; or pursuing alien vendettas. Could the Federation or the Empire reason with an all consuming Tyranid hive fleet? Or an Orkish WAAAAAAAGH!?

I would love to see a Jedi's face when he encounters a bloodthirster of khorne.
Or a storm trooper facing down a horde of tyranids.

40K they are more advanced than star trek and star wars!! although the clones might pose a problem for gaurd...not for SMurfs tho!

try unleashing the warp. the fragile minds of the unacustomed star trek +star wars universes would be torn apart by the unnatural horror.

Star Wars, no doubt. if one well placed laser bolt can pierce a Stormtrooper's armor and kill him as well, there's no doubt the same would happen to a space marine, or any other rance for that matter.

Also, the AT-AT - None of these races have anything that could trip it, which seems to be it's only weakness.

Then we got the Deathstar, Deathstar 2, two versions of the Star Destroyer, the Super Star Destroyer, TIE fighters, TIE bombers, TIE/d fighters, TIE Advanced, TIE Interceptors... My god, I'm such a nerd.

Also, we can't forget the CIS and Republic. Clone troops, anyone? With clones, you can make as many as you want. Same deal with battle droids and super battle droids.

[QUOTE=Buechoria]Star Wars, no doubt. if one well placed laser bolt can pierce a Stormtrooper's armor and kill him as well, there's no doubt the same would happen to a space marine, or any other rance for that matter.
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Your logic makes no sense. If the armor was stronger; it would be more difficult for a blast bolt to pentrate it.

oh get a life

You'd be fighting a huge number of gods if you were against 40K. I say they'd trash you all. You must remember we have the cheesy powergamers to boost our might, where as Star Wars and Star Trek keeps pretty much to the background that has been written before. GW just change 40K on a whim.... :)

I have to agree that the gods of 40K would kick everyone's butt. But some of the Imperial technology from Star Wars is cool. My navy is mostly Imperial technology. But, my land assaults are made up of mostly Imperium Technologies (space marines, sisters of battle, ect.), dark eldar, eldar, and Necrons technologies as well.

Wrong, space marines are far stronger than and storm trooper. Storm troopers are like the imperial guard, but the imperial guard outnumbers them.

Most titans could step on an AT-AT... so...

Death stars you have, we have planetkillers

We have plenty of big ships to destroy yours, not to familiar with BFG though.

Necrons anyone, they never die? Forces of chaos, every malign thought breeds another soldier in their ranks? Tyranids anyone? Orcs?

Moved to general.

As a constant debate, my friends and I would argue for hours over who would win; Warhammer 40K, Star Trek, or Star Wars if the species or factions in each of the groups would unite to conquer the other universe.
Star wars:the republic(later the Empire) has been a space faring nation for several thousand years, and shields fully to enemy fire. Factions control a full Galaxy of a unknow size(well they know but we don't).
Star Terk: the federation has been a space faring only a few hundred, shields only weaken enemy fire. Factions control porsions of Alpha Gamme Delta Quadrants of a Galaxy although the MilkyWay is a very big Galaxy.
WarHammer: looks stupid (no insult intended to fans) to me so I know nothing about it.

concluesion: BattleTech would win becuase mech's are cool.
real concluesion: Starwars

Sounds pretty cool. I'm thinking of running a massive invasion fleet; where my Empire and others are under threat from either a massive Orkish invasion; like at Armour-Geddum with da big Dakka dakka! Or a Tyranid hive fleet invasion. TG me with ideas or if you wanna join; I'm still thinking it through

Pongo; if you've never played Warhammer, you don't know its Tech levels (41st Millenium) so you can't criticise it
Don't knock it till you've tried it, mate

trek. Ever hear of something called the "Genisis Device"? Instant annialation of a planet, and a brand new one, complete with full ground facilities and possibly a starbase in orbit, is built in about 2 seconds. Might not last long, but neither other universe has anything like it. Plus, transphasic torpedos. Sorry, even for a SSD, one shot, one kill. And trek has gotten used to war, between the dominion recently and the constant borg incursions, yeah, they're used to it by this point. Plus, they have the most manuverable, durable, and definately most kick-ass looking ships of the bunch. And they've dealt with semi-gods before. Does the name Q ring a bell? They have had him whooped recently, and he owes them a few favors, so, snap of his fingers, no more 40K or SW....

The real question is if E.T. and the smurfs had a war, who would win?

The oldest 40k race, Necrons, have been space faring for a good 60 million years. They have been asleep for a while though...

Once again... 40k would win.

40K they are more advanced than star trek and star wars!! although the clones might pose a problem for gaurd...not for SMurfs tho!

You also forget that star wars has the Star Forge, Sun Crusher, Death Star, and the Sovereign and Eclipse class star destroyers which both have planet annihilating weapons. Then there is the Force, which the special "battle meitation" force power can influence an entire army on both sides (I belive it's both) and can determin the wining side, and the loosing side.

StarWars has the Death Star.

The Imperium has its Exterminatus.

StarWars makes it sound lazy, the Imperium makes it sound dirty and badass. :D

Star Wars, no doubt. if one well placed laser bolt can pierce a Stormtrooper's armor and kill him as well, there's no doubt the same would happen to a space marine, or any other rance for that matter.

Also, the AT-AT - None of these races have anything that could trip it, which seems to be it's only weakness.

Then we got the Deathstar, Deathstar 2, two versions of the Star Destroyer, the Super Star Destroyer, TIE fighters, TIE bombers, TIE/d fighters, TIE Advanced, TIE Interceptors... My god, I'm such a nerd.

Also, we can't forget the CIS and Republic. Clone troops, anyone? With clones, you can make as many as you want. Same deal with battle droids and super battle droids.
A Blackstone Fortress/Talisman of Vaul could kill anything on this list.
Also, 40K has an infinate horde of daemons. That outnumbers anything, even clones. I cannot believe I was sad enough to say that.

This argument can always be answered with a single letter: Q.

And a couple of Land Raiders and some Terminators would smite anything that stood against them ^_^

Even if all of 40k was somehow killed Khorne would still be around. He is the god of battle. The more you fight the more powerful he and his legion becomes. Fight them they only get bigger. Infinite expansion.

And a couple of Land Raiders and some Terimantors would smite anything that stood against them ^_^
What about 5 Bloodthirsters?

You can't swing it be saying some kind of pseudo-God can blink the other Universe out of existence, just because you lack brute strength. You don't see the WH40K gods destroying universes. Just corrupting, destroying; being Bloody Handed and eating the odd Star :P

Q<The Deceiver

nuff said

trek. Ever hear of something called the "Genisis Device"? Instant annialation of a planet, and a brand new one, complete with full ground facilities and possibly a starbase in orbit, is built in about 2 seconds. Might not last long, but neither other universe has anything like it. Plus, transphasic torpedos. Sorry, even for a SSD, one shot, one kill. And trek has gotten used to war, between the dominion recently and the constant borg incursions, yeah, they're used to it by this point. Plus, they have the most manuverable, durable, and definately most kick-ass looking ships of the bunch. And they've dealt with semi-gods before. Does the name Q ring a bell? They have had him whooped recently, and he owes them a few favors, so, snap of his fingers, no more 40K or SW....

Hmm... Got a good point about Q and the Genesis Device that Khan stole.
Even the trensphasic torpeatoes would dissagree with my Sovereign Class Star Destroyers.

What about 5 Bloodthirsters?

Okay... Well... I wouldn't be dumb enough to just send in a couple of land raiders and terminators to wipe out 5 BTs. I was referring to... like, you know, Orks and Eldar. Yeah, that's it. :o

Wow; the ability to create an entirely new planet for Orks to invade; Tyranids to devour, etc etc etc :P

Wow; the ability to create an entirely new planet for Orks to invade; Tyranids to devour, etc etc etc :P

Are you refering to the Genesis Device?

Okay... Well... I wouldn't be dumb enough to just send in a couple of land raiders and terminators to wipe out 5 BTs. I was referring to... like, you know, Orks and Eldar. Yeah, that's it. :o
Yeah... storm bolters really rip through Eldar Guardians, alright.

I have to go in for 40K as much as I like SW and ST. Chaos alone could simply work to overwhelm them not to mention that the main people in both Star Wars and Star Trek are hampered by the fact that they have morals. It would be interesting how the Borg, Machanicus(SP), and the S'Surrive(SP) would all react to each other.

Yup; Genesis Device. Its not even technically a weapon. It just makes a new planet; a terraforming device.

Oh no; you make a planet live again

Also yeah, most of the WH40K races are moralless

anyone who says star wars is forgetting some basic truth of that universe:

1. Stormtroopers (the elite footsoldier) don't know how to fire. Plus they get killed by the tons by one or two rebels.

2. The mighty death star has a major design flaw that even a handfull of rebels can exploit. I don't think it stands a chance in a war against concerted opposition like the Star Trek Universe or WH40K.

The only thing that they have going for them is the Jedi and they were mostly wiped out.

They don't stand a chance.

The better debate would be Star Trek Reds vs Star Wars Stormtroopers: who would survive?

Yup; Genesis Device. Its not even technically a weapon. It just makes a new planet; a terraforming device.

Oh no; you make a planet live again

Also yeah, most of the WH40K races are moralless

Too true that most 40K races are moralless. The only one that even has morals would be the Tau. Peace loving little #@**$%@!!!
(no offence to the tau players)

Screw Star Wars... Screw Star Trek... Apparently the only object strong enough to stop Warhammer is the ZEEKY BOMB!

All a guy has to say to end the lives of billions of heartless aliens is:


Zeeky

Boogy

Doog

Major Flaw Alert: Star Trek people aren't very well armored in their skin tight jump suits

Yeah, while the Imperium, Chaos and other assorted races are blowing the shit out of themselves, each other and the other universes; the Tau are preaching the greater good and making the Kroot do the dirty work ;)

Screw Star Wars... Screw Star Trek... Apparently the only object strong enough to stop Warhammer is the ZEEKY BOMB!

All a guy has to say to end the lives of billions of heartless aliens is:


Zeeky

Boogy

Doog

WTF it the Zeeky Bomb!?!?

You forget that the genisis planet self destruct afer only a few months, not to mention the device only made an unhabital planet habital it didn't make starbases and such magicaly apear. Speaking of magic 40K psykers would kick the puny Jedi @$$ and Star Trek's pshychics barely have any abilities other than telepathy and the like. The Q continum would probably be the greatest challenge but the Combined might of the Emperor, Chaos Gods and C'Tan would probably be able to take them.

Major Flaw Alert: Star Trek people aren't very well armored in their skin tight jump suits

The star trek people we always see aren't ment for military action.
Star Fleet does have special military armor for when it comes to an all out war.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/demented.php

Watch the whoel thing and you will find ou what the Zeeky bomb is.

40K would wipe the floor of ST and SW.

The Imperial Retribution Class Battleship. The Space Marine Battlebarges and crusiers. Thunderhawk gunships.

Need i say any more.

1st: 40k
2nd: Star Wars
3rd: Star Trek

Ok, I'm sorry but after Wh40K the only thing that could stand a chance is....Zero Wing.
All your base are belong to us!
For great justice, take off every Zig!

It's cute how worked up all you kids get about this.

Obviously the babylon 5 universe would kick their collective asses.

40K would wipe the floor of ST and SW.

The Imperial Retribution Class Battleship. The Space Marine Battlebarges and crusiers. Thunderhawk gunships.

Need i say any more.

1st: 40k
2nd: Star Wars
3rd: Star Trek
Dont Forget the Dark Angel's and Imperial Fist's Space Monestaries thoes pack a nice waloop.
I do thing however that Q would alow Star Trek to defeat Star Wars

Damn we are a bunch of geeks :cool:

Being 13, that greatly offends me. I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!

*Slaps Sdaerjii with a leather glove*

I can safely say 40k could win, shit, any one force might be able to win. The Imperium has enough soldiers and tech to crush just about anything that it decides is a major threat, Orks working together, would win simply by weight of numbers. Star Wars might have a chance at stopping Chaos by using the force, however Star Trek has nothing like that so their minds would be crushed by the horror of the warp. There only one strategy hopefull for them. 40k has poor light speed travel, its extremely dangerous, Star wars can easily do that. Solution: RUN AWAY!

It's cute how worked up all you kids get about this.
Aww... thanks.

It's cute how worked up all you kids get about this.

40k is a modeling hobby, not a crapy thing battlestar galatica

Being 13, that greatly offends me. I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!

*Slaps Sdaerjii with a leather glove*

I'm 21. You ARE a kid.

What if Lexx was thrown in? :P

Stevid has a point; WH40K is a hobby; model collecting, assembly, painting and war gaming.

The others are just Tv series and Movies.

In the end, something designed to be played in various scenarios; for someone to make up scenarios etc, with such an abundance of statistics and information; would be the more well backed up.;

I vote WH40K, because everything is geared towards war; unlike the other ones.

And I'm almost 19; I'm at Uni :)
I'm not a Kid

I'm 21. You ARE a kid.
and still humor flies above your head.

It is from this really long, really weird flash. I can safely say 40k could win, shit, any one force might be able to win. The Imperium has enough soldiers and tech to crush just about anything that it decides is a major threat, Orks working together, would win simply by weight of numbers. Star Wars might have a chance at stopping Chaos by using the force, however Star Trek has nothing like that so their minds would be crushed by the horror of the warp. There only one strategy hopefull for them. 40k has poor light speed travel, its extremely dangerous, Star wars can easily do that. Solution: RUN AWAY!
To be a total nerd, 40K doesn't actually have lightspeed. Technically, you go into another dimension, and reappear somewhere else of your choice in this dimension. The other dimension is timeless, so when you reappear, it could even be before you left.

It is from this really long, really weird flash. I can safely say 40k could win, shit, any one force might be able to win. The Imperium has enough soldiers and tech to crush just about anything that it decides is a major threat, Orks working together, would win simply by weight of numbers. Star Wars might have a chance at stopping Chaos by using the force, however Star Trek has nothing like that so their minds would be crushed by the horror of the warp. There only one strategy hopefull for them. 40k has poor light speed travel, its extremely dangerous, Star wars can easily do that. Solution: RUN AWAY!
Star Trek have their own sets of god like aliens like the Q continum that could provide them with some defense. More than the force would any way.

Sdaerji:do not taunt the poor thing.

Dont Forget the Dark Angel's and Imperial Fist's Space Monestaries thoes pack a nice waloop.
I do thing however that Q would alow Star Trek to defeat Star Wars

Damn we are a bunch of geeks :cool:

Star Trek 2nd
Star Wars 3rd

The combined power of the Q continuuim and the Prophets, Pa'wraiths of the Wormhole and the founders would crush Star Wars.

Thanx for reminding me of Q!

What if Lexx was thrown in? :P
Hell, let's blow the whole thing wide open.
Enter Battlestar gallactica
Farscape
Zero Wing (as previously mentionned)
Starcraft
Battletech
various anime

and, of course, the Jetsons.

What if Lexx was thrown in? :P


Ah! My eyes! My beautiful eyes!

Ah! My eyes! My beautiful eyes!
Would glasses help?

Hell, let's blow the whole thing wide open.
Enter Battlestar gallactica
Farscape
Zero Wing (as previously mentionned)
Starcraft
Battletech
various anime

and, of course, the Jetsons.

Can Crichton use his wormhole weapon? Because that thing sort of just annihilated everything it came across.

Yes, the giant insectoid space phallus would destroy all stationary objects!

That or Mantrid would drone arm everyone to death ;)

And bring back His Shadow!

Or the Brunnen G!
YAS!

Jetsons!Jetsons!Jetsons!Jetsons!

Would glasses help?

Maybe. I might not be able to see Lexx if I had on glasses to blur my vision. Good thinking!

To be a total nerd, 40K doesn't actually have lightspeed. Technically, you go into another dimension, and reappear somewhere else of your choice in this dimension. The other dimension is timeless, so when you reappear, it could even be before you left.
Isn't hyperspace in star wars an alternetive dimension also? Wait the force and hyperspace, psykers and the warp, Tau and Duros By the Emperor Star Wars is realy the 40K universe after the emperor came back and cleaned things up. :eek: :p

Being 13, that greatly offends me. I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!

*Slaps Sdaerjii with a leather glove*

And I am 17. KID!!

Isn't hyperspace in star wars an alternetive dimension also? Wait the force and hyperspace, psykers and the warp, Tau and Duros By the Emperor Star Wars is realy the 40K universe after the emperor came pack and cleaned things up. :eek: :p
I don't understand it but I like it.

W40K.The Titan Legions alone could almost annihilate any force they came across.Infantry would be crushed, tanks blown up and spacecraft hit by banks of misssiles.Aircraft would be torn by flak.

Yesh, hush, CHILD!

Battlestar Galatica is just grade A crap.

You all also forget the Borg and Species 8472- who are "almost" invincilble.

To be a total nerd, 40K doesn't actually have lightspeed. Technically, you go into another dimension, and reappear somewhere else of your choice in this dimension. The other dimension is timeless, so when you reappear, it could even be before you left.
True. But to be a bigger nerd, neither does Star Wars, Hyperspace is another dimension where rather then time, space is altered, thus traveling 1,000 miles in it could take you several light years. However Star Wars has this down pretty safe, with a minute or sos calculation, anyone can do a hyperspace jump, however without psychers you can get lost in the warp, possibly forever.

Star Trek has borgs, they are regenarating practically indestructible communities, Star Wars is definetly out of the question,as well as 40k

True. But to be a bigger nerd, neither does Star Wars, Hyperspace is another dimension where rather then time, space is altered, thus traveling 1,000 miles in it could take you several light years. However Star Wars has this down pretty safe, with a minute or sos calculation, anyone can do a hyperspace jump, however without psychers you can get lost in the warp, possibly forever.
Bugger. Didn't think of that.

WH40K has the Necrons who would take down the Borg anyday :P
Also Daemons, who can't be assimilated because their made of the Warp; and the Tyranids; who are just like the evil bio-species that tanked the Borg :P a constantly adaptive evolving super-entity kicks ass!

Star Trek has borgs, they are regenarating practically indestructible communities, Star Wars is definetly out of the question,as well as 40k
40K has necrons; they are like the borg (they self-repair) but they reduce the target to it's constituant atoms.

Bugger. Didn't think of that.
Solution for star wars? Run. As far as you possibly can.

Didn't we already figure out that the Daleks would win?

Didn't we already figure out that the Daleks would win?
Daleks wouldn't win... everyone would run upstairs. :D

Star Trek has borgs, they are regenarating practically indestructible communities, Star Wars is definetly out of the question,as well as 40k
40K has Chaos mind warping hoardes of demons, demi-gods, with a few real gods thrown in for god measure.

oh get a life

yeah you guys, when will you realize that GW's ripping you all off? 300$ on LITTLE PLASTIC MEN just so you can play with everyone else? Just a little dumb if you ask me. why don't you all stand up from your computers, step outside, and make something of your lives?

40K has Chaos mind warping hoardes of demons, demi-gods, with a few real gods thrown in for god measure.
was that a typo or a pun?

yeah you guys, when will you realize that GW's ripping you all off? 300$ on LITTLE PLASTIC MEN just so you can play with everyone else? Just a little dumb if you ask me. why don't you all stand up from your computers, step outside, and make something of your lives?

Because it's more fun to see people spend their first post telling us to get a life ^_^

Didn't we already figure out that the Daleks would win?

The dalek are plastic models with men inside. They have a plundger and a wisk for a weapon. (check for yourself!)

Also they'd be foiled by stairs, unless they are from the 2nd movie. in which case they can fly!

yeah you guys, when will you realize that GW's ripping you all off? 300$ on LITTLE PLASTIC MEN just so you can play with everyone else? Just a little dumb if you ask me. why don't you all stand up from your computers, step outside, and make something of your lives?
so what are you doing here, anyway?

ok, star trek does have the Q continuum, which i guess could just make everything just cease to exist?

Easy, this one.

The Borg's adaptive shielding can only effect energy weapons, therefore the blasters of the Clone Troopers or Stormtroopers would be inneffective, and they would be slaughtered and added to the collective. The borg go adn attack the 40K guys. The Space Marines go in first.Their weapons use explosive bullets, so the Borg would be mostly wiped out in long range combat, and the super-strength and massively effective armour would help them slaugther the Borg. The Navy's guns would wipe out the Borg ships, whilst their void shields soak up damage.The Imperial Guard with sheer force of numbers could do the rest no proble. The Chaos gods coul beat up the Q. The Emperor could, in his prime, take on the Klingons with the Custodes.Eaaasy.

Result:many dead Klingons and a 40K victory.

was that a typo or a pun?
It was a typo, but I decided to leave it because it seemed to work as a pun and my computer takes to long to load the edit screen.

Battlestar Galatica is just grade A crap.

You all also forget the Borg and Species 8472- who are "almost" invincilble.

hehe, i was just about to point out Species 8472. a species whose ships are alive, and it take 8 or 9 vessels smaller than voyager (which is only 150 metres long) to take out a planet. only way to kill em is with nanobots. so lets just say that nothing in star wars can kill them, and probably only the 'nids from 40k could do anything about them. even a super-nova wouldnt do anything to Species 8472, so the Sun Crusher is useless, and even the kick ass weapon of multiple activated Blackstone Fortresses cant hurt them.

however, if u discount them, seeing as they do come from a different universe, id say its pretty even, each one having its own strengths. 40k would probably win any ground engagement, but a naval battle would be damn closely fought. Trek's ships can outmanouver the others, and have pretty powerful weapons, but lack numbers. both others have huge number of immense vessels mounting massed guns, only 40k has bigger ones. so id say star wars would probably loose, with star trek a close second to 40k

Well, going by nothing but Species 8472 from Voyager, and the fact that a hand phaser on the Enterprise can melt a continent, I think Star Trek would win. Star Wars has absolutely no chance, and I don't know that much about Warhammer, but mechs aren't so good when your enemy is in space.

Kilsdonk Princes, how dare you!

Mine are metal! :P

Tech: 40K'd win.

But, Trek has the famous captains that never lose a battle...secret power of them or something...And, they have the deflector dish.
Problem? Just adapt the deflector dish.

"Capt'n, our replicator broke!it's only giving out raw food!"
"No fear, we'll send the food in a torpedo, and kick it out of the cargobay, adjust the deflector dish, and we'll microwave it!"

Trek has real heroes, 40K's heroes are all maniacs or nazi's( The Imperial heroes).
And Wars just plain sucks.

40K has the Chaos Gods and the C'Tan. Oh woo.
Star Trek has the Q continuum, sure, but the real power there is Guinan. I mean, she blocks Q's powers the once or something. I reckon she could blow open a serious supernova full of whoopass if she wanted.
Star Wars, however, has the Midichlorians (if we're including ALL races, then they are in there too) who seem to control the force. Combine that with the fact that they live inside people then nothing could stand against them.
Therefore, as much as I prefer Star Trek to Star Wars, the Midichlorians destroy everything.

However, if we're including the Various Animes in it, as East Canuck suggested, then that puts Tetsuo and Akira in the same boat, who probably wouldn't be able defeat the Midichlorians, but win outright on the 'sheer coolness' scale.

Mikorlias of Imardeavia

yeah you guys, when will you realize that GW's ripping you all off? 300$ on LITTLE PLASTIC MEN just so you can play with everyone else? Just a little dumb if you ask me. why don't you all stand up from your computers, step outside, and make something of your lives?
Because, obviously, anyone who participates in any activity at all, clearly must do so singlemindedly.

Man, I wasn't joking when I said this was a constant debate was I?

Because it's more fun to see people spend their first post telling us to get a life ^_^

good call, you win.

still though, it's an awful lot of money to spend on little army men...

40K has the Chaos Gods and the C'Tan. Oh woo.
Star Trek has the Q continuum, sure, but the real power there is Guinan. I mean, she blocks Q's powers the once or something. I reckon she could blow open a serious supernova full of whoopass if she wanted.
Star Wars, however, has the Midichlorians (if we're including ALL races, then they are in there too) who seem to control the force. Combine that with the fact that they live inside people then nothing could stand against them.
Therefore, as much as I prefer Star Trek to Star Wars, the Midichlorians destroy everything.

However, if we're including the Various Animes in it, as East Canuck suggested, then that puts Tetsuo and Akira in the same boat, who probably wouldn't be able defeat the Midichlorians, but win outright on the 'sheer coolness' scale.

Mikorlias of Imardeavia
The C'tan could team up and defeat Q. They're infinate beings.

hehe, i was just about to point out Species 8472. a species whose ships are alive, and it take 8 or 9 vessels smaller than voyager (which is only 150 metres long) to take out a planet. only way to kill em is with nanobots. so lets just say that nothing in star wars can kill them, and probably only the 'nids from 40k could do anything about them. even a super-nova wouldnt do anything to Species 8472, so the Sun Crusher is useless, and even the kick ass weapon of multiple activated Blackstone Fortresses cant hurt them.


I don't know the masive hoardes of chaos could probably defeat them, but it's been a while since I have seen the episodes they were in, maybe they could survive being riped to shreads, eaten, infested with disease and warped in to chaos spawn.

Another thought:Plague and Fusion bombs.40K has these in abundance. You see a federation world?Plague bomb!easy!The Death Star is knocking on your door?Fusion bomb!All gone!

singlemindly and for a good time.

Might as well criticise people who build model planes or boats; or collect coins, or things like that; if your criticising someones hobby; which is none of your business.
You might buy a ton of magazines about salmon fishing, or hardcore pornography; but I won't knock salmon fishing until I've tried it ;)

Another thought:Plague and Fusion bombs.40K has these in abundance. You see a federation world?Plague bomb!easy!The Death Star is knocking on your door?Fusion bomb!All gone!
Or an Inquisitorial Exterminatus. Kills anything, or your money back.

Another thought:Plague and Fusion bombs.40K has these in abundance. You see a federation world?Plague bomb!easy!The Death Star is knocking on your door?Fusion bomb!All gone!
Yeah, I'm surprised no ones brought up 40ks bio-war division. I mean these guys are heartless, they will viral bomb your species into extinction.

Tech: 40K'd win.

But, Trek has the famous captains that never lose a battle...secret power of them or something...And, they have the deflector dish.
Problem? Just adapt the deflector dish.

"Capt'n, our replicator broke!it's only giving out raw food!"
"No fear, we'll send the food in a torpedo, and kick it out of the cargobay, adjust the deflector dish, and we'll microwave it!"

Trek has real heroes, 40K's heroes are all maniacs or nazi's( The Imperial heroes).
And Wars just plain sucks.

lol! Star Trek have engineers that are all miracle workers.

EG: USS Enterprises is in a black hole. Somehow Geordi would come up with some magical anti-blackhole engine and the Enterprise could fly away.

Tech: 40K'd win.

But, Trek has the famous captains that never lose a battle...secret power of them or something...And, they have the deflector dish.
Problem? Just adapt the deflector dish.

"Capt'n, our replicator broke!it's only giving out raw food!"
"No fear, we'll send the food in a torpedo, and kick it out of the cargobay, adjust the deflector dish, and we'll microwave it!"

Trek has real heroes, 40K's heroes are all maniacs or nazi's( The Imperial heroes).
And Wars just plain sucks.

Argh! The deflector dish! I forgot! The real ultimate power!
"The universe is exploding captain! What can we do!"
(Captain thinks)
"Let's, um, re-rout power through the deflector dish! And um, send out, Tachyon particles. Yeah, those."
"Will that work sir?"
"I dunno, usually does."
(And of course, Engineers who exist outside of the normal constraints of time and space)
"It'll take me 10 years sir, with a team of professional engineers and highly advanced engineering equipment."
"Well Chief, you have one minute to do it by yourself, with a plastic spanner."
"I'm on it sir."

Ah bless it.

Mikorlias of Imardeavia

OH! Black Hole; reminded me! Throw in Andromeda! Voyager Versus the Magog

Yeah, I'm surprised no ones brought up 40ks bio-war division. I mean these guys are heartless, they will viral bomb your species into extinction.
I'm surprised people are ignoring the Eldar. Wraithlords are hard

lol! Star Trek have engineers that are all miracle workers.

EG: USS Enterprises is in a black hole. Somehow Geordi would come up with some magical anti-blackhole engine and the Enterprise could fly away.

Best part is something similar to that happened in one episode.

I'm surprised people are ignoring the Eldar. Wraithlords arehard
Or better yet, the Nurglites. Release a chaos virus unto the empire. Let them deal with magical viruses.

Star Wars, no doubt. if one well placed laser bolt can pierce a Stormtrooper's armor and kill him as well, there's no doubt the same would happen to a space marine, or any other rance for that matter.

Also, the AT-AT - None of these races have anything that could trip it, which seems to be it's only weakness.

Then we got the Deathstar, Deathstar 2, two versions of the Star Destroyer, the Super Star Destroyer, TIE fighters, TIE bombers, TIE/d fighters, TIE Advanced, TIE Interceptors... My god, I'm such a nerd.

Also, we can't forget the CIS and Republic. Clone troops, anyone? With clones, you can make as many as you want. Same deal with battle droids and super battle droids.

for the AT-AT there are the Titians which would crush an AT-AT. Ship for ship 40k has more an bigger ship. then as it has been pointed out that in the 40K universe "There is only war" the people in whole in 40k have seen much more war then the people SW and ST

40K has the Chaos Gods and the C'Tan. Oh woo.
Star Trek has the Q continuum, sure, but the real power there is Guinan. I mean, she blocks Q's powers the once or something. I reckon she could blow open a serious supernova full of whoopass if she wanted.
Star Wars, however, has the Midichlorians (if we're including ALL races, then they are in there too) who seem to control the force. Combine that with the fact that they live inside people then nothing could stand against them.
Therefore, as much as I prefer Star Trek to Star Wars, the Midichlorians destroy everything.

However, if we're including the Various Animes in it, as East Canuck suggested, then that puts Tetsuo and Akira in the same boat, who probably wouldn't be able defeat the Midichlorians, but win outright on the 'sheer coolness' scale.

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Yes but when you look at it the force isn't nearly as strong as say the Q even little lone the Hordes of Chaos. Sure the force is strong and good at moving things put it cant make something out of noting like the Q.

Or better yet, the Nurglites. Release a chaos virus unto the empire. Let them deal with magical viruses.
Sure, Nurgle is good, but wraithguard guns transport hexagonal chunks of you into another dimension.

The C'tan could team up and defeat Q. They're infinate beings.

You just saw the letter 'Q' in my post and jumped to conclusions didn't you? Heck, I could have been talking about Quadrilaterals. I did say quite clearly in my post that the Midichlorians were the almighty power, but then I changed my mind to the Omni-diverse deflector dish and the Engineers that exist outside of time.

Oh yeah, another question. The deflector dish is the little pretty coloured disc on the front of the ship. But what is it's actuall purpose, shields? If so, why the heck can it do EVERYTHING!?

Mikorlias of Imardeavia

I'm surprised people are ignoring the Eldar. Wraithlords are hard

Lasscannon + Waithlord = One bloody great bang!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I forgot to mention...


The ewoks.


Not even soulless, evil soldiers can hate those adorable little balls of fuff. And while the sleep, the ewoks will slip into their camps and SLIT THEIR THROATS!

You just saw the letter 'Q' in my post and jumped to conclusions didn't you?

Oops. Sorry.

Lasscannon + Waithlord = One bloody great bang!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nope, wraithlord would still walk away. (3Ws)

(And of course, Engineers who exist outside of the normal constraints of time and space)
"It'll take me 10 years sir, with a team of professional engineers and highly advanced engineering equipment."
"Well Chief, you have one minute to do it by yourself, with a plastic spanner."
"I'm on it sir."

Ah bless it.

Mikorlias of Imardeavia
They revealed that that was because the engineers are always lying about how much time it will take so they look beter. Scotty revealed this in the episode with the Dyson shere.

Long live the darleks!

Or an Inquisitorial Exterminatus. Kills anything, or your money back.

Like I said in my second post on this thread, the Exterminatus makes the Death Star look lazy.

You just saw the letter 'Q' in my post and jumped to conclusions didn't you? Heck, I could have been talking about Quadrilaterals. I did say quite clearly in my post that the Midichlorians were the almighty power, but then I changed my mind to the Omni-diverse deflector dish and the Engineers that exist outside of time.

Oh yeah, another question. The deflector dish is the little pretty coloured disc on the front of the ship. But what is it's actuall purpose, shields? If so, why the heck can it do EVERYTHING!?

Mikorlias of Imardeavia

I think the purpose of the deflector dish is to make some kind of magnetic field to knock space crap out of the way. That way, when the ship is flying around at Warp A Billion, a little speck of matter doesn't rip the ship in half.

I forgot to mention...


The ewoks.


Not even soulless, evil soldiers can hate those adorable little balls of fuff. And while the sleep, the ewoks will slip into their camps and SLIT THEIR THROATS!

I'm dead inside. :p

I forgot to mention...


The ewoks.


Not even soulless, evil soldiers can hate those adorable little balls of fuff. And while the sleep, the ewoks will slip into their camps and SLIT THEIR THROATS!

The borg and necrons are mindless zombies. ewoks are raw material. Those zombies have no emotions. they don't care that the ewoks are cuddly things you win at the seaside.

Like I said in my second post on this thread, the Exterminatus makes the Death Star look lazy.
I should really pay more attention to past posts.

You just saw the letter 'Q' in my post and jumped to conclusions didn't you? Heck, I could have been talking about Quadrilaterals. I did say quite clearly in my post that the Midichlorians were the almighty power, but then I changed my mind to the Omni-diverse deflector dish and the Engineers that exist outside of time.

Oh yeah, another question. The deflector dish is the little pretty coloured disc on the front of the ship. But what is it's actuall purpose, shields? If so, why the heck can it do EVERYTHING!?

Mikorlias of Imardeavia
It is supose to push dust and space junk out of the way so the paint isnt chiped or the hull breached depending on how fast your going.

Sure, Nurgle is good, but wraithguard guns transport hexagonal chunks of you into another dimension.
Yeah, but bioweapons you can be lazy with. Unleash a bug on one guy and sit back and watch it spread.

The borg and necrons are mindless zombies. ewoks are raw material. Those zombies have no emotions. they don't care that the ewoks are cuddly things you win at the seaside.

Awww...even the borg would be cuddling them!!

40K would pwn everyone.

As far as STvSW goes

If the UFP and EMpire were the same size.
The UFP would pwn the empire so bad.

Yeah, but bioweapons you can be lazy with. Unleash a bug on one guy and sit back and watch it spread.
That's why I collected Chaos.

Another thing:Star Wars and Star Trek, nobody in either of those really unites fro any length of time.
In 40K the entire human race is dedicated to the service of the Emperor.All he has to say is:'kill those idiots in the spandex jumpsuits!' and countless billions of lives are mobilised into a massive war machine which has been around 15,000 years longer than either of the other two.

And Space Marines.


And avatars, bless 'em.Blood of molten metal, and all that.

The Ewoks are unlimited. Every day, they increase by the sheer trillions.

Nercons own all, seriously who can whin over a giant Necron army? huh? Star trek pansy boys? gimme a break? ( love ST T_T ) Star Wars Stoorm Troopers? Pff their Death Star couldn't even handle a few fighters... 'nuff said

Nercons own all, seriously who can whin over a giant Necron army? huh? Star trek pansy boys? gimme a break? ( love ST T_T ) Star Wars Stoorm Troopers? Pff their Death Star couldn't even handle a few fighters... 'nuff said
The Old Ones came pretty close.

The Ewoks are unlimited. Every day, they increase by the sheer trillions.
Thats Tribbles silly :D

The Old Ones came pretty close.
Sure, some one maybe get a lucky shot and make them fall... but they will rise again to woop some more ass! XD
Whats your call on this one anyway?

oh get a life

Well said

Pfft, Necrons are the real pansies. the Imperium has true power and courage.

Thought for the day:An open mind is like a fortress, it's gates open and unguarded.
or:
A suspicious mind is a healthy mind.
That's the way you can sum up the Imperium.

Sure, some one maybe get a lucky shot and make them fall... but they will rise again to woop some more ass! XD
Whats your call on this one anyway?
Which one? 40K/ST/SW? 40K by a mile. And the old ones forced them into stasis after a millenia-long war. Not just a lucky shot.

The Ewoks are unlimited. Every day, they increase by the sheer trillions.

Of course!!!! it's so simple!!! Trillions reminded me of the REAL creatures that are invincible!!!

TRIBBLES!!!!!!! One hundred tribbles on every ship is just impossible to contain!!!!

Pfft, Necrons are the real pansies. the Imperium has true power and courage.

Thought for the day:An open mind is like a fortress, it's gates open and unguarded.
or:
A suspicious mind is a healthy mind.
Why are you stealing quotes from Dawn of War?

And dawn of War stole those from various codeces and books, I was just illustrating the way the Imperium thinks.

But, meh.

And dawn of War stole those from various codeces and books, I was just illustrating the way the Imperium thinks.

But, meh.
I would have done the same in your shoes.
But now I leave you to your debate with these words: 40K rules!

Man, I'd loove to see some Chaos Marines invade Captain Kirks ship
Must see how 'ol T rescues himsefl out of this one WITH a ripped shirt!

yeah, those are in my Imp gaurd codex along with
"The ends always justify the means"

"Blood for the Blood God!" from a raging Chaos Marin would make me oiss my pants, thats no question about it! o.o;

If the Imperium wasn't kind of racist (lol, kind of...), their tactics would really speak to me. As it is, they just points a gun at my face, and ask me if I worship the Emperor.

Man, I'd loove to see some Chaos Marines invade Captain Kirks ship
Must see how 'ol T rescues himsefl out of this one WITH a ripped shirt!
Id like to see how Kirk would handle some Deamonettes ;)

Well when it comes to philisofy I'd had to choose ST or the Tau
.....I wonder how the Tau would fare against the SW Storm Troopers?......

Daemonettes are scary.

Id like to see how Kirk would handle some Deamonettes ;)
XD OMG I didn't need to know about that.... I bet he would try on the Sisters of Battle though!

Star Trek
woo!

Well when it comes to philisofy I'd had to choose ST or the Tau
.....I wonder how the Tau would fare against the SW Storm Troopers?......
Theyed kill 'um pulse rifles kick arse

Theyed kill 'um pulse rifles kick arse
Your accent triggered a rather interesting scenario in my head......
Start Trek "marines" or whats their name, trying to stand against.....
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!!!!!

The tribbles would rule all.

True, they don't actually do anything except reproduce, but everyone else would commit suicide to get away from trillions of annoying little furry things.

Other than that, I am a die-hard Star Wars fan. Everything in Star Trek is solved by Tachyons, that's just lazy script-writers. As to who would win, it goes against everything I believe but: 40K.

They have everything. And a sci-fi that no-one else has mentioned. They wouldn't win but they have to be considered because of the classic: Nuclear Rocket Launchers. And lots of bugs.
Its Starship Troopers.

Or the Aliens. Or Predator. Or the Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy.

After all, HHGTTG gave us the Krikkit Robots and the Supernova Bomb, which simultaneously linked the heart of every star in the universe, causing it all to disappear in one massive hyperspatial supernova.

Titans are not a problem, just blow the buggers to atoms from space.

40K Pros, massive armies, impressive if somtimes unreliable tech.

Startrek, Powerful vessels

Star wars, Massive fleet capacity, you can not invade or virus bomb a planet if you can not defeat the fleet guarding it.

40K Cons, poor fleet travel, okay if the fighting is confined to a limited area, Armageddon sector, but some what trouble some against a enemy with the ability to have near instantous travel across the universe - Star Wars - or even reliable FTL travel - Star Trek.

Startek Cons, No realy ground forces are ever seen.

StarWars Cons, Armies based more on size, and perhaps to reliant on fleets to take a hostile planet without destroying it.

Lets remeber in the books and other background Imperial Storm Troopers are very effective. In one book a team of around 6 Storm Troopers board and take command of a New Republic Frigate with ease. The Imperium does have tanks as well as AT-ATs AT-STs et al.

On the ground I think 40K would win, space marines and all. But the power of an Imperial Star Destroyer is massive, especialy in the numbers that could be utilised with near instantanous comms and travel. The Emperors Battle Mediatation would probably be enougth to neutralise weaker willed enemies, especialy the Tau with no pyshic defence. And possible disable 40K warp travel. The Star Trek races with only limited pyschic powers would probably end up killing each other like in a nyrid of episodes.

If the Empire could utilise the Star Forge they have a near unlimited fleet of Super Star Destroyers. A fearsome prospect. Certainly with the Imperium of Man [40K] shipyards seem to be based on Mars - correct me if I am wrong - if ether Star Trek or Starwars could launch a surprise attack, then they would have a massive advantage in any war of attrition. But I imagine the shipyards and Terra are very well defended.

In general though the power of the tech avalible to the 40K races would probably be enougth to see them through. Perhaps more useful would be to limit the disscussion to say Elders Vs Klingons, or Empire Vs Borg.

Titans are not a problem, just blow the buggers to atoms from space.

40K Pros, massive armies, impressive if somtimes unreliable tech.

Startrek, Powerful vessels

Star wars, Massive fleet capacity, you can not invade or virus bomb a planet if you can not defeat the fleet guarding it.

40K Cons, poor fleet travel, okay if the fighting is confined to a limited area, Armageddon sector, but some what trouble some against a enemy with the ability to have near instantous travel across the universe - Star Wars - or even reliable FTL travel - Star Trek.

Startek Cons, No realy ground forces are ever seen.

StarWars Cons, Armies based more on size, and perhaps to reliant on fleets to take a hostile planet without destroying it.

Lets remeber in the books and other background Imperial Storm Troopers are very effective. In one book a team of around 6 Storm Troopers board and take command of a New Republic Frigate with ease. The Imperium does have tanks as well as AT-ATs AT-STs et al.

On the ground I think 40K would win, space marines and all. But the power of an Imperial Star Destroyer is massive, especialy in the numbers that could be utilised with near instantanous comms and travel. The Emperors Battle Mediatation would probably be enougth to neutralise weaker willed enemies, especialy the Tau with no pyshic defence. And possible disable 40K warp travel. The Star Trek races with only limited pyschic powers would probably end up killing each other like in a nyrid of episodes.

If the Empire could utilise the Star Forge they have a near unlimited fleet of Super Star Destroyers. A fearsome prospect. Certainly with the Imperium of Man [40K] shipyards seem to be based on Mars - correct me if I am wrong - if ether Star Trek or Starwars could launch a surprise attack, then they would have a massive advantage in any war of attrition. But I imagine the shipyards and Terra are very well defended.

In general though the power of the tech avalible to the 40K races would probably be enougth to see them through. Perhaps more useful would be to limit the disscussion to say Elders Vs Klingons, or Empire Vs Borg.

O.O *stands in awe* I bow before you geekness *bows*
friggen cool post ya made

Titans are not a problem, just blow the buggers to atoms from space.

40K Pros, massive armies, impressive if somtimes unreliable tech.

Startrek, Powerful vessels

Star wars, Massive fleet capacity, you can not invade or virus bomb a planet if you can not defeat the fleet guarding it.

40K Cons, poor fleet travel, okay if the fighting is confined to a limited area, Armageddon sector, but some what trouble some against a enemy with the ability to have near instantous travel across the universe - Star Wars - or even reliable FTL travel - Star Trek.

Startek Cons, No realy ground forces are ever seen.

StarWars Cons, Armies based more on size, and perhaps to reliant on fleets to take a hostile planet without destroying it.

Lets remeber in the books and other background Imperial Storm Troopers are very effective. In one book a team of around 6 Storm Troopers board and take command of a New Republic Frigate with ease. The Imperium does have tanks as well as AT-ATs AT-STs et al.

On the ground I think 40K would win, space marines and all. But the power of an Imperial Star Destroyer is massive, especialy in the numbers that could be utilised with near instantanous comms and travel. The Emperors Battle Mediatation would probably be enougth to neutralise weaker willed enemies, especialy the Tau with no pyshic defence. And possible disable 40K warp travel. The Star Trek races with only limited pyschic powers would probably end up killing each other like in a nyrid of episodes.

If the Empire could utilise the Star Forge they have a near unlimited fleet of Super Star Destroyers. A fearsome prospect. Certainly with the Imperium of Man [40K] shipyards seem to be based on Mars - correct me if I am wrong - if ether Star Trek or Starwars could launch a surprise attack, then they would have a massive advantage in any war of attrition. But I imagine the shipyards and Terra are very well defended.

In general though the power of the tech avalible to the 40K races would probably be enougth to see them through. Perhaps more useful would be to limit the disscussion to say Elders Vs Klingons, or Empire Vs Borg.
You forgot Q and the Chaos Gods. Tsk Tsk ;)

I honestly think Mobile Suit Gundam (any series cept G Gundam) would beat the hell out of either Star Trek or Star Wars

Simply because Mobile Suits are designed to be superior to starfighters (tho it all comes back to if the pilot is good or not). The one major disadvantage is that Earth and the space colonies are kinda outnumbered severly to the Star Wars universe. . . and tho their capital ships are cool (White Base, Archangel, etc) they're terribly small compared to a Star Destroyer

You forgot Q and the Chaos Gods. Tsk Tsk ;)


Yer both of those are a big problem. The thing with the Qs is they are like absent gods whom see the 'lesser' races as playthings. They do not realy help out, so weather they would come to the Star Trek worlds assistence is in question. I seem to recall that they [Q] can be killed, so it is theasable that the Empire could develop suitable tech to deal with them. 40K - at least the Imperium of Man - seem to have a big problem with new tech, so they might have a dissadvantage. But they may very well have the tech to deal with them already.

The Chaos Gods are a big problem, I imagine your Super Star Destroyer would be rendered pretty useless by a Blood Letter warping in on your bridge. The only hope for the Empire would be if the Emperor could use the force to manipulate the Warp and prevent them appearing. Star Trek would probably reverse the polarity of the dilifinium crystals and bounce of the all power ful deflector/navigation array to trap them in some weird dimension. Or some other this week special tech that will get us out of the current problem.

I am not sure how the Necron Gods work, if they are Warp based like the Chaos Gods or not.

Hell Star Trek would probably win simply because of there ability to re write the laws of physics - despite what Scotty might say - each week and come up with some super doper thing to deal with any given situation.

The Necron gods are not warp based they are completly part of the "real" world

The Necron gods are not warp based they are completly part of the "real" world


That would prove a problem. But Presumabley they can be killed, unless they do not bleed of course. I guess they would be treated the same way as an Avatar - whilst not actaly a God or even a demon a powerful foe none the less - lots of firepower. Mr C tan meet the Death Star. Unless they can teleport then its all gone horrible wrong...

The Ewoks are unlimited. Every day, they increase by the sheer trillions.

And i've always been suspicious about those little furry tards, have to be when their supposedly "stone-tipped arrows" easily pierces the body armour worn of the elite forces of a galactic super-power...


Imagine if they start cross-breeding with Star Trek Tribbles!

OUCH! :eek:

Also, the Star Wars universe has "True Heroes" chosen by fate and prophesy, i e because of that SW has the advantage of the Holy Screenwriter in their corner... that can't be underestimated.


But really, SpaceBalls wins easy, can't beat Black Helmet and his ship capable of "Ludicrous Speed"!

http://datacore.sciflicks.com/spaceballs/images/spaceballs_large_10.jpg

http://161.58.5.90/space/chicken.wav

http://161.58.5.90/space/assholes.wav

:P

That would prove a problem. But Presumabley they can be killed, unless they do not bleed of course. I guess they would be treated the same way as an Avatar - whilst not actaly a God or even a demon a powerful foe none the less - lots of firepower. Mr C tan meet the Death Star. Unless they can teleport then its all gone horrible wrong...
It might destoy their necrodermis(sp) ,body, but they are energey creatures that feed on stars so it won't kill them just force them to go make a new necrodermis. The only way I remember them ever being killed is when they were eating each other.

But what about Gundam vs all of the above?

It might destoy their necrodermis(sp) ,body, but they are energey creatures that feed on stars so it won't kill them just force them to go make a new necrodermis. The only way I remember them ever being killed is when they were eating each other.


So in a sense they are non coporeal beings only using a host shell to help them with their evil plans. Yes the Necrons do seem to be a difficult bunch. Of course being energy based - and I seem to recall powerful psykers in thier own right - they may be vunerable to the force, but just as likly a force user - the Emperor - is vunerable to them. In the end it could come down simply to a battle of minds between the Emperor and the C-Tan. I think it is fair to say the Emperor is the most powerful Jedi there is, since he can keep his powers hidden from Yoda, whom is normaly said to be the most powerful.

Come on guys (and gals), who's the real Emperor?

I gotta go 40K. OK, a Sith lord guiding his star fleets with the Force and making them infinitely more effective is pretty cool. But really, the Emperor of Man (40K) has been guiding every ship for his entire race for 10,000 years through the Warp. Not to mention keeping the Hordes of Chaos at bay by sheer force of will (and 1,000,000 Space Marines). And He's pretty much dead! Been confined to the Golden Throne (life support system) since the Horus Heresy. That's a REAL Emperor!

As for the original thread, Games Workshop...er...40K would win in the end. Anyone who can charge $10.00+ for a small hunk of metal and then make YOU paint it is gonna win by sheer audacity.

BeanSlave.

But what about Gundam vs all of the above?
Sorry, but a single bloodletter could probably take them down. Infantry is no contest.

Sorry, but a single bloodletter could probably take them down. Infantry is no contest.


Gundamn wing do not even have capital ships do they? So its doubtful you would even need a Bloodletter.

Gundamn wing do not even have capital ships do they? So its doubtful you would even need a Bloodletter.
Uhh . . . all I gotta say is Freedom Gundam (SEED). Freedom kicks some *seriouis* ass in combat

It depends if 40K could put all their differences aside and actually gang up and start giving everyone else a kicking... But to be honest, I can't see Eldar/Necrons, Ultramarines/Tyranids or even Dark Angels/Chaos joining up...

At least SW only has two major factions to kiss and make up...

But lascannons would make mincemeat of AT-ATs... not to mention the nova cannons from Battlefleet Gothic, which, strictly speaking, is part of the 40K universe...

Well...since you said Star Trek Universe......

If they all worked together they would pwn you all....a member of the Doud Race killed an entire race of over 500 billion with a thought....And there is not just one Q.......there is a race of Q's who can create entire parralel dimensions with mere thought.....they can even create beings....i'm sure that the doud can too....Species 8472 pwns as well...they are shapeshifters who live in a parralel dimension that have ships that can destroy planets with ease......Borg assimilate thigs and then they know everything that that person knows....that eans they can assimilate high ranking officers then know everything....same with various technologies......

Well...since you said Star Trek Universe......

If they all worked together they would pwn you all....a member of the Doud Race killed an entire race of over 500 billion with a thought....And there is not just one Q.......there is a race of Q's who can create entire parralel dimensions with mere thought.....they can even create beings....i'm sure that the doud can too....Species 8472 pwns as well...they are shapeshifters who live in a parralel dimension that have ships that can destroy planets with ease......Borg assimilate thigs and then they know everything that that person knows....that eans they can assimilate high ranking officers then know everything....same with various technologies......
And all that could be crushed by chaos 7ft acid spiting supersoilders, uncountable hordes of deamons, multitudes of demi-gods, and 4 gods one of which grows stonger the more blood is spilled.

And all that could be crushed by chaos 7ft acid spiting supersoilders, uncountable hordes of deamons, multitudes of demi-gods, and 4 gods one of which grows stonger the more blood is spilled.

Q are immortal.....plain and simple..unless the whole Q continueum (sp) decides to take awa his immortality....and the doud are immortal......

And it isn't just one Q...it is a whole race.....

The fouders from the dominion could shapeshift into anything in the 40K universe.....The dominions Jem'Hadar warriors know nothing but killing.....and they are very good at it....Same with the Hirogen.....

Borg have built in shielding that adapts to weapons....and there are unknown trillions of borg throuhgout the galaxy....i think that would be quite an impressive ground force...

Well...since you said Star Trek Universe......

If they all worked together they would pwn you all....a member of the Doud Race killed an entire race of over 500 billion with a thought....And there is not just one Q.......there is a race of Q's who can create entire parralel dimensions with mere thought.....they can even create beings....i'm sure that the doud can too....Species 8472 pwns as well...they are shapeshifters who live in a parralel dimension that have ships that can destroy planets with ease......Borg assimilate thigs and then they know everything that that person knows....that eans they can assimilate high ranking officers then know everything....same with various technologies......

The Borg would not stand a chance against the Empire, the firepower of a Star Destroyer would take out a cube before it had a chance to adapt to its weapons. Even if the Borg borded the Imperial vessel the Imperium have solid shot weapons - Imperial Repeaters - and can anyone say Vibro Blade, and Force Pike. The Borg basicly have a grasp of tactics that would put Zap Branaigan to shame. Again a 40K vessel would destroy a cube before it could adapt, it also has lots of options to attack.

The Q are basicly the only chance the Star Trek universe would have.

The oldest 40k race, Necrons, have been space faring for a good 60 million years. They have been asleep for a while though...

Once again... 40k would win.
WRONG!!! The Eldar Buil the Necrons, so the Eldar are the oldest!

That being said, I love ST SW and 40k dearly. The real out come:

Feddies and Imerials+Rebels all see that they are too weak on their own to defeat the Infinite Reaches of the Imperium, stop the piratical raids of the Eldar, Dark Eldar. Can't Beat the limiltless demons and so forth. They all form an alliance, whoop 40k. Feddies see the Empire's horrible practices, beats them with rebel aid, Rebels and Feddies get along. Boom Bada Boom Boom Boom. Thats my story and I am sticking to it!

Ok, i'm comming in late on this, and i DO think that 40k would prolly win, but here are a couple of arguments for the other two options

Star Trek: "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." Can anybody say 'The Borg?'

Star Wars: Death Star. 'Nuff said.

According to ST cannon, the Q are immortal. That means they don't die, it does not mean they cannot be killed. Elves in Tolkien's worlds were also immortal, they died in droves. I can even remember an episode were Q was fighting Q and several of them died. Q weapons can kill Q aparently. I won't even go into the whole omni-versatile deflector dish thing... :D

BeanSlave.

WRONG!!! The Eldar Buil the Necrons, so the Eldar are the oldest!

That being said, I love ST SW and 40k dearly. The real out come:

Feddies and Imerials+Rebels all see that they are too weak on their own to defeat the Infinite Reaches of the Imperium, stop the piratical raids of the Eldar, Dark Eldar. Can't Beat the limiltless demons and so forth. They all form an alliance, whoop 40k. Feddies see the Empire's horrible practices, beats them with rebel aid, Rebels and Feddies get along. Boom Bada Boom Boom Boom. Thats my story and I am sticking to it!

But he didn't just say fedaration...he basically said whole galaxy....

According to ST cannon, the Q are immortal. That means they don't die, it does not mean they cannot be killed. Elves in Tolkien's worlds were also immortal, they died in droves. I can even remember an episode were Q was fighting Q and several of them died. Q weapons can kill Q aparently. I won't even go into the whole omni-versatile deflector dish thing... :D

BeanSlave.

But immortality could mean differently in the Star Trek universe...and i already said that the Q are suceptible to other Q.....

WRONG!!! The Eldar Buil the Necrons, so the Eldar are the oldest!

That being said, I love ST SW and 40k dearly. The real out come:

Feddies and Imerials+Rebels all see that they are too weak on their own to defeat the Infinite Reaches of the Imperium, stop the piratical raids of the Eldar, Dark Eldar. Can't Beat the limiltless demons and so forth. They all form an alliance, whoop 40k. Feddies see the Empire's horrible practices, beats them with rebel aid, Rebels and Feddies get along. Boom Bada Boom Boom Boom. Thats my story and I am sticking to it!


Um the Eldar did not build the necrons, the eldar and the necrontyr existed at the same time, its just that the eldar and their gods had it easy, while the necrontyr lived a miserable existance, so when the Nightbringer showed up they pledged themselves to him, so he went out ate most of the other stargods except for the Deciever and the Dragon, and created the necron bodies for the necrontyr. the slavers came and the necrons hid, while the eldar Laughing God of the Harlequin cult drove the Deciever into hiding. God how did I know that? I play Imperium. T_T.

But back on topic, I believe that 40K would win out over ST and SW by sheer numbers. I mean in the big book it says there are over 14 billion planets in the Imperium alone. the Imperial Guard number in the uncountable trillions. Plus on the ground SW and ST would get so owned so quickly.

all I have to say is Imperitor Titan, Warlord Titan, Warmonger Titan, Baneblade, Shadowsword, Stormsword. :D

But he didn't just say fedaration...he basically said whole galaxy....
I know

by Autocraticama,
"But immortality could mean differently in the Star Trek universe...and i already said that the Q are suceptible to other Q....."

True enough, kinda. Star Trek is supposed to be our world a few hundred years in the future. Then again, 40K is supposed to be our world 40,000 years in the future. Immortality simply means (according to Miriam Webster anyway) "not subject to death". So I guess Tolkien's version is the less correct. Immortality means cannot die, cannot be killed, or life after death.

So, Q cannot be immortal if they are subject to their own weapons. Oh wow, that was a very round-about way of getting to that wasn't it? Then again, Q is now on SG-1, so he's not dead yet... :)


BeanSlave.

by Autocraticama,
"But immortality could mean differently in the Star Trek universe...and i already said that the Q are suceptible to other Q....."

True enough, kinda. Star Trek is supposed to be our world a few hundred years in the future. Then again, 40K is supposed to be our world 40,000 years in the future. Immortality simply means (according to Miriam Webster anyway) "not subject to death". So I guess Tolkien's version is the less correct. Immortality means cannot die, cannot be killed, or life after death.

So, Q cannot be immortal if they are subject to their own weapons. Oh wow, that was a very round-about way of getting to that wasn't it? Then again, Q is now on SG-1, so he's not dead yet... :)


BeanSlave.


I never remember anything about a Q war....they are to civalized to destroy each other i thought....and i bet they just took away their immortality first..oh well......i still think the Q and the Doud would pwn you all....

Star wars would win. I mean, the empire existed for about 100 years after two superwaepons the size of planets blew up. Star wars would have to win.

Star wars would win. I mean, the empire existed for about 100 years after two superwaepons the size of planets blew up. Star wars would have to win.

No....the last remnants of the empire were destroyed about 20 years after the destruction of the second death star if i remember correctly.....when grand admiral thrawn was defeated...

by Autocraticama,
"I never remember anything about a Q war....they are to civalized to destroy each other i thought....and i bet they just took away their immortality first..oh well......i still think the Q and the Doud would pwn you all...."

It was stupid episode in Voyager. Some of the crew, including captain Lameway, were taken into the war which was fought like the US civil war. Lots of muskets and smoke and stuff. Altogether an entirely forgettable episode.

BeanSlave.
kinda embarrassed I know that...

No....the last remnants of the empire were destroyed about 20 years after the destruction of the second death star if i remember correctly.....when grand admiral thrawn was defeated...
That wasn't 20 years it was ~15 and the empire is still around it is just not veary powerful and is no longer at war with the New Repoublic. And you mentioned that Q can be killed by other Q it is logical that the equaly powerful Chaos and Necron deities would be able to destroy them as welll as their minions, a numberless horde of immortal deamons.

It was stupid episode in Voyager. Some of the crew, including captain Lameway, were taken into the war which was fought like the US civil war. Lots of muskets and smoke and stuff. Altogether an entirely forgettable episode.

BeanSlave.
kinda embarrassed I know that...

Are you sure it wasn't one of those mock things that the Q just like to do?

Episode name "The Q and the Grey":
Brief synopsis - the Q are fighting a civil war, which impinges on the normal universe because they are detonating supernova to kill each other.

1 Supernova = 1 Dead Q.

Therefore:

W40K Brings -
C'Tan (the power of a supernova made incarnate)
The Talismans of Vaul (Designed to trigger supernova to KILL C'Tan)
And the Emperor (who's just the dude. I mean, isn't he.)

Star Wars Brings -
Sun Crusher (Supernova torpedoes)
The Ancient Sith Crystalline Weapon (One of the Star Wars old republic stories feature a weapon that enhances the force and causes a supernova)

Result - Much Q thwappage.

Btw - Tolkiens elves die physically if wounded, but return to the undying lands beyond the west. Same place the other elves go. They never really leave, like chewing gum in the colon.

The Empire would crush any race not gods or godlike in Star Trek so fast it ain't even funny. Superior firepower and shielding (Gigaton ranged turbolasers and megaton range missiles/torpedoes; Shield dissipation capability is excellent; even the Borg cannot adapt to overwhelming firepower), superior FTL capability (Coruscant to outer rim in less than a day), superior fleet size and industrial capability (25000 Star Destroyers imply a hell of a lot more smaller escort ships, plus the Death Star 2 was operational in only 6 months and Coruscant itself), and the Force, which would mindfrag the Betazod and Vulcan easily.

Groundforces are a non-issue, since there is very little mention of any Federation marines and inadequate force capabilty when they are mentioned.

Now SW vs WH40K...

It would be a much closer call here, but I believe that Star Wars fleets might be able to edge out the Imperium fleets, but they will suffer casualties. Chaos forces would be the most troublesome though...

On the ground, this is where even Jedi would have a tough time, since Space Marines can open cans of whup-ass on just about any SW ground force. The commanders would probably just bombard until the ground is lava once they get word of the bloodbath.

Psykers would pretty much screw all but the most powerful Dark Lords of the Sith and Jedi Masters. Be a neat battle to see, though.

The GEoM would defeat Palpatine unless he could pull a Force Storm on him, I think it'd be MAD here.

Superweapons:
SW has Death Stars, Galaxy Gun, Sun Crusher (blow up a star), etc.

ST has Genesis Torp, Trilithium probes (blow up a star), etc.

WH40K, I'm not sure about this one, maybe Virus Bombs and Exterminatus.

I think SW wins in this catergory.

Star Trek would win easily, no matter what anyone else has, they have Q.

That's an all-powerful being that can do anything, fyi

Star Trek would win easily, no matter what anyone else has, they have Q.

That's an all-powerful being that can do anything, fyi
I'll take Q and raise you the Chaos Gods. BTW, that's a no-limits fallacy.

I'll take Q and raise you the Chaos Gods. BTW, that's a no-limits fallacy.
Don't forget the C'Tan and the Emperor

Superweapons:
SW has Death Stars, Galaxy Gun, Sun Crusher (blow up a star), etc.

ST has Genesis Torp, Trilithium probes (blow up a star), etc.

WH40K, I'm not sure about this one, maybe Virus Bombs and Exterminatus.

I think SW wins in this catergory.
I think the C'Tan, Chaos Gods, The Planet Killer, and thoes Vaul thingies would qualify.

I think the C'Tan, Chaos Gods, The Planet Killer, and thoes Vaul thingies would qualify.
*SW cries as I take the prize away from them and give it to WH40K in the Superweapons Catergory.*

Again, I think 40K by a landslide. Initially looks hard to beat the SW heroes (except Luke, everyone wants to beat his whinny ass) until you start adding in the Space Marine primarchs, then it's a no brainer.

How do you beat Leman Russ, Sanguinius, Robert Guilliam, Rogal Dorn (there's 20 in all but I don't remember the rest). Top it all off with Warmaster Horus (pre- Heresy) and it's an unbeatable, superhuman, Jedi-stompin crew. Sanguinius eats Bloodthirsters for breakfast (greater Daemon of Khorne, think Balrog with attitude) and Leman Russ took the head off of a Titan (battlemech from Hell).

BeanSlave.

P.S. - Thank Abomination, both counts (ST & Tolkien). :)

Despite the vast overwhelming support for Warhammer 40K, I'm going to have to vote for Star Wars.

For starters, DS2 has no achilles heel, the ability to fire off-axis and can be recharged in a matter of minutes. It shows up in orbit, vapes the planet, then hits the hyperdrive and leaves the scene at 50 million c.

The Empire has 25,000 thousand ISD's, each one capapble of turing the surface of a planet into slag single handed.

The Empire has a galaxy wide industrial base. It could build 3/4 of the DS2 in six months.

World Devastators, they consume the planet and use it's resources to make more war machines.

Storm troopers are in fact very well trained and have excellent armor. All the times you see a teddy bear kill one it's because it hit them in the soft flexible joint sections.

There's numerous long range weapons of super mass destruction, such as Centerpoint Station and the Galaxy Gun. Also there's the Sun Crusher with indestructable quantum crystaline armor.

Extremely fast FTL. It gives the Empire a huge strategic advantage as they can control their engagements.

Also, since when did you see the Empire have morals. They blew up a planet to get information for crying out loud.

Mass produced Clone and Droid armies in the Republic era.

The Star Forge, if you count video games, is a limitless factory.

Light sabers, gotta love those swords that can cut through anything.

That's about all I can think of at rany rate.

Despite the vast overwhelming support for Warhammer 40K, I'm going to have to vote for Star Wars.

For starters, DS2 has no achilles heel, the ability to fire off-axis and can be recharged in a matter of minutes. It shows up in orbit, vapes the planet, then hits the hyperdrive and leaves the scene at 50 million c.

The Empire has 25,000 thousand ISD's, each one capapble of turing the surface of a planet into slag single handed.

The Empire has a galaxy wide industrial base. It could build 3/4 of the DS2 in six months.

World Devastators, they consume the planet and use it's resources to make more war machines.

Storm troopers are in fact very well trained and have excellent armor. All the times you see a teddy bear kill one it's because it hit them in the soft flexible joint sections.

There's numerous long range weapons of super mass destruction, such as Centerpoint Station and the Galaxy Gun. Also there's the Sun Crusher with indestructable quantum crystaline armor.

Extremely fast FTL. It gives the Empire a huge strategic advantage as they can control their engagements.

Also, since when did you see the Empire have morals. They blew up a planet to get information for crying out loud.

Mass produced Clone and Droid armies in the Republic era.

The Star Forge, if you count video games, is a limitless factory.

Light sabers, gotta love those swords that can cut through anything.

That's about all I can think of at rany rate.
Yes and 40K has Chaos with innumerable hoardes of immortal deamons and Dark Gods of War, Pestelince, Mutation, and Sex.

Huge hordes v. Tactically proficient heavily armored soldiers

Hmm... Sounds like 1000 bolt action rifles v. 100 M2 machine guns

Yes and 40K has Chaos with innumerable hoardes of immortal deamons and Dark Gods of War, Pestelince, Mutation, and Sex.

Dark Gods of War = Sith Lords

Pestilence = Bio-engineered diseases, such as the Krytos Virus

Mutation = Rhakgouls

Sex = Well I really don't have to explain that one do I?

Dark Gods of War = Sith Lords


I don't mean no pansy Dark Lords of the Sith I mean LITERAL gods as in all powerful soul consuming deities from the foulest depths of the warp creatures for which worlds are a snack and genocide on a planetary scale a relaxing walk in the park, creatures that feed of the darkest emotions of man kind.

No matter what technology trek or 20k has it is useless....

VADER: Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've
constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to
the power of the Force.

need i say more.

No matter what technology trek or 20k has it is useless....

VADER: Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've
constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to
the power of the Force.

need i say more.
Its 40K and the power of the force is pitiful compared to the destructive might of Chaos. We dont see in numberless hoardes of force deamons now do we?

Pah, when I watch Star Trek or Star Wars, just remind myself that the Emperor's Grand Crusade wiped out most of those xenos-breeds anyway

Pah, when I watch Star Trek or Star Wars, just remind myself that the Emperor's Grand Crusade wiped out most of those xenos-breeds anyway
Star Wars isn't this galaxy thou.

Despite the vast overwhelming support for Warhammer 40K, I'm going to have to vote for Star Wars.

For starters, DS2 has no achilles heel, the ability to fire off-axis and can be recharged in a matter of minutes. It shows up in orbit, vapes the planet, then hits the hyperdrive and leaves the scene at 50 million c.

The Empire has 25,000 thousand ISD's, each one capapble of turing the surface of a planet into slag single handed.

The Empire has a galaxy wide industrial base. It could build 3/4 of the DS2 in six months.

World Devastators, they consume the planet and use it's resources to make more war machines.

Storm troopers are in fact very well trained and have excellent armor. All the times you see a teddy bear kill one it's because it hit them in the soft flexible joint sections.

There's numerous long range weapons of super mass destruction, such as Centerpoint Station and the Galaxy Gun. Also there's the Sun Crusher with indestructable quantum crystaline armor.

Extremely fast FTL. It gives the Empire a huge strategic advantage as they can control their engagements.

Also, since when did you see the Empire have morals. They blew up a planet to get information for crying out loud.

Mass produced Clone and Droid armies in the Republic era.

The Star Forge, if you count video games, is a limitless factory.

Light sabers, gotta love those swords that can cut through anything.

That's about all I can think of at rany rate.

Finnal, someone who knows of the Star Forge!!
And one last thing, you forgot about the Sovereign Class Star Destroyer, and Eclipse Class Star Destroyer. They have planet annihilating weapons.

I don't include Gods. They make the fight utterly unimportant and trivial. Who the hell needs armies when you can call sky-daddy to smite your enemies for you.

In a straight fight without any kind of force or godlike super powers. I put my money on SW.

I don't include Gods. They make the fight utterly unimportant and trivial. Who the hell needs armies when you can call sky-daddy to smite your enemies for you.

In a straight fight without any kind of force or godlike super powers. I put my money on SW.


I'm forced to agree with you Xessmithia. On the otherhand, 40k has a lot of cool land assault vehicals that Star Wars doesn't have (vindicator, tau hammerhead (that thing destroyed my monolith in one turn!WTF!!)). Star Wars does, however, have a very interesting list of star ships.

I'm forced to agree with you Xessmithia. On the otherhand, 40k has a lot of cool land assault vehicals that Star Wars doesn't have (vindicator, tau hammerhead (that thing destroyed my monolith in one turn!WTF!!)). Star Wars does, however, have a very interesting list of star ships.

Star Wars has it's fair share of cool ground tech. The Old Republic's clone army was completely air mobile. They dropped armour and heavy artillery right on the battlefield. Now that's an advantage. And AT-AT's are no easy push over. They're essentially impervious to any convential assault. Hence the tow-cables.

I don't include Gods. They make the fight utterly unimportant and trivial. Who the hell needs armies when you can call sky-daddy to smite your enemies for you.

In a straight fight without any kind of force or godlike super powers. I put my money on SW.
I'll still go with 40K, until SW comes up with 7ft acid spiting, supersoilders, Light Crusiers the size of the Executor, walkers the size of a large skyscraper, and thats all just the Imperium, their is still the Necrons, thin an army of industructible termenator extras, orks, think green gorillas that got an uzie and a chainsaw that gets bigger the more he fights and then picture armies of them numbering in teh millions, Tyranids think aliens but meaner biger and with guns, and then there are teh Eldar and teh Tau also.

I'll still go with 40K, until SW comes up with 7ft acid spiting, supersoilders, Light Crusiers the size of the Executor, walkers the size of a large skyscraper, and thats all just the Imperium, their is still the Necrons, thin an army of industructible termenator extras, orks, think green gorillas that got an uzie and a chainsaw that gets bigger the more he fights and then picture armies of them numbering in teh millions, Tyranids think aliens but meaner biger and with guns, and then there are teh Eldar and teh Tau also.

I think while the giant hordes are rampaging across the surface, the SW Admiral realises a ground fight is hopeless, slags the planet then leaves to fight another day.

Anyway, I'm tired and I've said my bit. So let's just agree to disagree and all take comfort in the fact that both WH40K and SW can beat the living tar out of Star Trek. :p

Again, I think 40K by a landslide. Initially looks hard to beat the SW heroes (except Luke, everyone wants to beat his whinny ass) until you start adding in the Space Marine primarchs, then it's a no brainer.

How do you beat Leman Russ, Sanguinius, Robert Guilliam, Rogal Dorn (there's 20 in all but I don't remember the rest). Top it all off with Warmaster Horus (pre- Heresy) and it's an unbeatable, superhuman, Jedi-stompin crew. Sanguinius eats Bloodthirsters for breakfast (greater Daemon of Khorne, think Balrog with attitude) and Leman Russ took the head off of a Titan (battlemech from Hell).

BeanSlave.

P.S. - Thank Abomination, both counts (ST & Tolkien). :)

Though the Space Marines do have a kickbut list of HQ (their Primarchs as you suggested) you forgot the star wars Sith Lords as well as Jedi Masters.
Yoda (rememder Yoda vs. Dooku?), Darth Maul, Darth Vader, Palpatine, Mace Windu, Revan, Malak, Sion, Xar Kun(I think I have his name right) the Solo twins (much better than that weanie Luke), Obi-wan Kenobi, and a lot more. Imagin all of them (including the other sith and jedi knights) against the Space Marine armies, you think a space marine can stand up to the might of Force Storm, or Drain Life (where the dark side user drains his apponants life and takes it for his own) or Force Crush? Not to mention, some of the Sith and Jedi use double-bladed lightsabers as well as two single-bladed lightsabers.

I think while the giant hordes are rampaging across the surface, the SW Admiral realises a ground fight is hopeless, slags the planet then leaves to fight another day.

Which Admiral? Thrawn, I hope.

Which Admiral? Thrawn, I hope.

Thrawn would indeed be a force to reckoned with. Everyone loves a strategic and tactical genius.

Star Wars has it's fair share of cool ground tech. The Old Republic's clone army was completely air mobile. They dropped armour and heavy artillery right on the battlefield. Now that's an advantage. And AT-AT's are no easy push over. They're essentially impervious to any convential assault. Hence the tow-cables.

Too true, but star wars doesn't have the cool tanks(Vindicator, Whirlwind, Land Raider, Land Raider Crusaider, Preadator, Tau Hammerhead, Bane Blade).

Though the Space Marines do have a kickbut list of HQ (their Primarchs as you suggested) you forgot the star wars Sith Lords as well as Jedi Masters.
Yoda (rememder Yoda vs. Dooku?), Darth Maul, Darth Vader, Palpatine, Mace Windu, Revan, Malak, Sion, Xar Kun(I think I have his name right) the Solo twins (much better than that weanie Luke), Obi-wan Kenobi, and a lot more. Imagin all of them (including the other sith and jedi knights) against the Space Marine armies, you think a space marine can stand up to the might of Force Storm, or Drain Life (where the dark side user drains his apponants life and takes it for his own) or Force Crush? Not to mention, some of the Sith and Jedi use double-bladed lightsabers as well as two single-bladed lightsabers.
Tey could always shoot them with a bolter while lightsabers may block lasers I doubt it would deflect a self propeled gernade like a bolter shell, and if we are brining the mystic force in to this lets mention psykers and librarians both of which could hold their own against any Jedi force use, Jedi cant rip holes in the fabric of space that will suck ones enemies into a dark demension. And you are underestemating space marians remember we are talking seven foot tall, acid spiting, psychotic behemothes that have two hearts, a sold lump of bone instead of ribs, that form scar tissue instantly, can shater skulls with the flick of the wrist, and which are wearing selfsuporting powerarmour and weilding rapid fire gernade launchers, these are superhumans that sole purouse is to kill teh enimies of the Imperium and spend about 20 hours a day training for this purpuse. They have been known to keep fighting after having their back broken and an arm blown off. And the primarches made them look like sissy men. A Jedi would be and equal mach to the basic Brother but it would take a master to fight Any of the Higher ranking members.

I would expect Freedon Nadd could dish out a few beatings

I would expect Freedon Nadd could dish out a few beatings
Freedom Nadd?

What about Freedom Gundam? (yea it's not from the sci-fi's we're debating, but who cares)

As cool as a Gundam is, Freedon Nadd would rip one to pieces

Star Trek. Though it's probably already been covered in this thread, Star Trek is superior militarily in every way, except for sheer numbers. And even the most powerful lasers are still that: lasers. Lasers are not even able to penetrate the navigational shields of a regular starship.

Star Trek, Borg cubes, thalaron radiation, and trilithium torpedos to destroy a solar system

Why has no-one mentioned the Tyranids?

I just can't read 16 pages of this, but has anyone suggested the possibility that the introduction of the Star Wars and Star Trek universe would go almost unnoticed in 40K and they'd all just be folded into the chaos?

Titans are not a problem, just blow the buggers to atoms from space.

40K Pros, massive armies, impressive if somtimes unreliable tech.

Startrek, Powerful vessels

Star wars, Massive fleet capacity, you can not invade or virus bomb a planet if you can not defeat the fleet guarding it.

40K Cons, poor fleet travel, okay if the fighting is confined to a limited area, Armageddon sector, but some what trouble some against a enemy with the ability to have near instantous travel across the universe - Star Wars - or even reliable FTL travel - Star Trek.

Startek Cons, No realy ground forces are ever seen.

StarWars Cons, Armies based more on size, and perhaps to reliant on fleets to take a hostile planet without destroying it.

Lets remeber in the books and other background Imperial Storm Troopers are very effective. In one book a team of around 6 Storm Troopers board and take command of a New Republic Frigate with ease. The Imperium does have tanks as well as AT-ATs AT-STs et al.

On the ground I think 40K would win, space marines and all. But the power of an Imperial Star Destroyer is massive, especialy in the numbers that could be utilised with near instantanous comms and travel. The Emperors Battle Mediatation would probably be enougth to neutralise weaker willed enemies, especialy the Tau with no pyshic defence. And possible disable 40K warp travel. The Star Trek races with only limited pyschic powers would probably end up killing each other like in a nyrid of episodes.

If the Empire could utilise the Star Forge they have a near unlimited fleet of Super Star Destroyers. A fearsome prospect. Certainly with the Imperium of Man [40K] shipyards seem to be based on Mars - correct me if I am wrong - if ether Star Trek or Starwars could launch a surprise attack, then they would have a massive advantage in any war of attrition. But I imagine the shipyards and Terra are very well defended.

In general though the power of the tech avalible to the 40K races would probably be enougth to see them through. Perhaps more useful would be to limit the disscussion to say Elders Vs Klingons, or Empire Vs Borg.

I'm just gonna pick this apart randomly.

Star Forge:The Imperium has thousands of worlds, each equivalent to the Star Forge, pumping out not only truly massive battlecruisers but billions of tons of equipment. Whole worlds dedicated to the production of equipment, ships and the like.

Fleet combat:The Imperium has billions of vessels under it's command alone, all united in a single purpose.Each ship alone can be carrying anything up to a couple of thousand guns and lots of squadrons of fighters, not to mention the drop pods and ground forces they can carry.The Tau are very advanced as well when it comes to combat in this area, and I would love to see a couple of mantas take apart an ISD.

Tau weakness to the Force:The Tau's lack of psychic ability is their main defence!The Tau are not really affected by that kind of supernatural crap. They'd go 'oh drat, a Jedi!', ans blow the Jedi apart with pulse carbines.

Well trained Stormtroopers:The Imperium alone has 20,000 years more experience with war than the Empire, or even the Star Wars galaxy. The Level of training of say, a squad of Imperial Guard Kasrkin would make stormies wet their pants. Or eldar Dark Reapers would have a similar effect.

Poor fleet travel:I'll give you that one. But, these fleets make up for their slowness with sheer massive size.

Battle meditation wouldn't really work on the Imperium, as the troops have fear of their superiors drummed into tem. If you have a commissar with a laser pistol breathing down your neck you aren't going to want to go anywhere. Also the use of Nitro-chem inhalers would give the troops a litle Dutch courage. :D

As to the whole issue with W40Ks FTL problems, remember that the major issues (time distortion, total insanity, wet dreams coming to life and eating your head) only occur on long haulwarp flights and are reduced by the powers of the Navigator (who can, incidentally, drive ANYONE insane by looking at them with the third eye). The Tau don't even have navigators and can still use the warp in small jumps. From the looks of things, Star Wars is in a similar position. In theory therefore, the Imperial Navy, to say nothing of the Eldar and Necrons (drool) could totally outmanouevre Star Trek and Star Wars in deepspace strategic operations.

Militarily Star Treks conventional ships totally own Star Wars conventional fleets. Star wars turbo lasers and blasters are high power particle beams without even the power to conquer the navigational deflector. The missiles pack roughly the power of an Exocet into a package the size of a sidewinder. Photon torpedoes are talking in terms of 10 megaton yield - painful, no? Phasers seem pretty nasty as well.

But lets put Trek Vessels versus W40K. They have manoeuvreability against anything.... cept Eldar, Tau, and Necrons. A Lance shot from an imperial battle craft packs AT LEAST twice the power of a type X phaser, more likely ten times. Then fire a broadside of plasma shells which at minimal power would be equivalent to a Romulan plasma torpedo, but very likely much much more. Indeed, guessing that Imperial broadside weapons are primarily plasma is an assumption on my part - documents indicate a wide variety of weapons fittings, possibly even graviton weapons.

So, in space, W40K would unleash serious 0wnag3 on Thrawns a$$.

Oh yes, the Tyranids. Species 8472 would be devoured and their genetic information seriously increase the power of Tyranid spacecraft. So now we have unstoppable swarm species that can also out fly and out fight the borg and blow up planets.

Whoop-de-doo, I'm just gonna start chittering and serving the hive mind now to avoid the rush.

AT-ATs are not invincible, its just the snowspeeders have crap lasers. A single X-wing can whack several AT-ATs easy, and that's without torps.

Star Trek shields would easily be penetrated by lasers. Do you have any idea how much power there is in a SINGLE 60x2 100 Terajoule salvo- and that's just ONE Imperial Mark 1 Star Destroyer (which also has 60x 50TJ lasers, 40 Ion Cannons, 60 Missile Launchers & 6 Squadrons of TIE Defenders, which are incidentaly the ultimate starfighter ever).

Star Wars completely annihilates Star Treks pathetic ships, which only have about two phasers on a CRUISER.

Alright... It seems like people are taking different things from different time periods in there universes, so I will do the same for 40k. This is just a summary of the 40k universe powers. I will probably miss a lot.

The Imperium:
Covers a huge portion of the universe. They have billions of ships, quadrillions of footsoldiers, hundreds of thousands of super human killing machines, and millions of nuns with guns.
Also they have 20 primarchs pre heresy. These guys were gods among men.
Finally they have the Emperor. He is a god. He is more powerful than the 4 chaos gods combined.

Chaos:
An infinite horde of demons, litterally infinite. When you kill them, you are only banishing them for a period of time. Every battle spawns khorne demons, every plague nergul demons, every lust slaanesh demons, and every change tzeetch demons. It is an exponential growth of foes.
Then there are the traitor marines. Every one of these guys has 10,000 years of combat experiance, so they will stomp even jedi with ease.
Finally the 4 chaos gods. These guys are over the top in power. Khorne will beat any foe in a martial battle, slaanesh is so beautiful a mere word from him will bring you to his side, tzeetch knows everything whether it be paast present or future, and nurgle can create plagues that have no cure and will destroy entire solar systems.

Eldar:
I will be taking the eldar before the fall. They controlled the entire universe and the stars would live or die by there will alone. These guys can zip
around the galaxy in a second, they are far faster then the imperium.

Dark Eldar:
Dont know enough about them, but they are also very fast and can get around the galaxy quickly.

Necrons:
I am going to take these guys before they went into stasis and before the c'tan started to each other. These guys cannot die. Every single time they die they are remade in an instant. There numbers will never diminish. The c'tan are a race of gods that can devour entire planets. Before theyu ate each other there were about 100 of them.

Tau:
Just really advance technology. Immune to the warp.

Orcs:
Can make any technology work if they think it would work. Enough of them so that if they united they could crush every other 40k force. But now they are with every other force... so...

Tyranids:
Devoure entire planets, and are almost infinite in numbers.

Old Ones:
They can bio engineer and type of species they like. They are essentiallly the race that populated the 40k universe.

So that is just a quick description of the 40k univers with a lot left out.

When you actually give it some thought, AT-ATs are a really bad idea. Against anyone with the necessary fire power, you are basically an enormous target, with really bad manouevrability. Oh yeah, and all your weapons are at the front of the damn thing. Some thing gets behind you and you're sodomised.

what about cloaked klingon ships? all we're doing is focusing on the federation, which has sucky weapons.

if you consider the hundreds of different crafts from different races, multiple of which could destroy the galaxy(a repeated theme, silly cold war)

ooh, and teleportation. The tao and eldar can do this too, but the starfleets can send away teams out, or even better, "set them up the bomb"

"all you base are belong to us"

To the teleporter question, I respond:

Orks.

Battle for Armageddon, Orkimedes (who I suspect is the C'Tan Deciever) builds multiple Tellyportas (sic) which can bring down from orbit A FRICKKIN' GARGANT.

Which, is, for those who don't know, a huge mishappen S.O.B. piece of mecha bigger than a goddamn tower block. This is incidentally packed full of 7ft green over muscled cockney lunatics with horrible breath and crude axes known to cleave through several inches of admantium by brute force.

So - Away team in spandex body suits against Gargant.

I rest my case.

Personally, I reckon that while a Klingon could probably give an Ork a pretty good run for its money, the cloaked ships have nothing on Eldar Holo-fields. Or Eldar ships full stop.

Militarily Star Treks conventional ships totally own Star Wars conventional fleets. Star wars turbo lasers and blasters are high power particle beams without even the power to conquer the navigational deflector. The missiles pack roughly the power of an Exocet into a package the size of a sidewinder. Photon torpedoes are talking in terms of 10 megaton yield - painful, no? Phasers seem pretty nasty as well.
There's an obvious misconception here. Turbolasers and blasters are in no way, shape or form lasers. Just because they have the same name doesn't mean that they exhibit the same properties.
Lasers, as we know them, do not interact with each other, are so fast that we cannot see them except in a foggy atmosphere and are just strong enough to burn holes through metal (industrial grade lasers).

All blaster weaponry can interact (lightsabers, a related technology vs blaster), the bolts are visible (does not mean they are slow, though), and they can blow away chunks of concrete (I cite numerous firefights in the movies).

As for proton torpedoes, they are nuclear weapons. Kiloton range at the lowest and medium to high megaton range at the highest (dial-a-yield is a distinct possibility, even we have it). We're talking weapons that can completely disintergrate a TIE fighter, blow up a large factory near Thyferra (Bacta War), and take down enemy shielding in volleys (numerous sources, including Bacta War). In fact, a thermal detonator is often considered a thermonuclear fusion weapon, and it is an antipersonnel weapon with enough power to take down a multikilometer building on Coruscant (Shadows of the Empire).

what's this deal with the nav deflector? One well placed shot, blow it's anti- protons into the cosmos.

40k would waste them

Moronic debate, moronic fans of 40k.

Moronic debate, moronic fans of 40k.

What's that supposed to mean.

Oh man I would love to see a Federation away team even try to board a Imperium vessel. I can just see a group of reshirts beaming onto an Astartes Battle Barge.

Plus all the Imperium ships could get all the way to Coruscant without any SW vessels even noticing them. They simply slip into the warp which is another dimension not a speed, they travel until they reach coruscant and simply drop back into reality and put a few Titan Legions on the surface. Badda bing, Badda boom, coruscant conquered by an Imperitor Titan, the SW universe crumbles without their precious "senate" who never gets anything done anyways and then the Federation tries to negotiate with the Imperium which leads to them having a meeting on earth while one of the delegates is really a Callidus assasin, goodbye starfleet command! A whack whack here and a whack whack there, badda bing, badda boom Federation crumbles without their leaders, while the Imperium Navy hunts down Fed ships, and are eventually anhilated into nothingness.

Oh man I would love to see a Federation away team even try to board a Imperium vessel. I can just see a group of reshirts beaming onto an Astartes Battle Barge.

Agreed! :D

Plus all the Imperium ships could get all the way to Coruscant without any SW vessels even noticing them. They simply slip into the warp which is another dimension not a speed, they travel until they reach coruscant and simply drop back into reality and put a few Titan Legions on the surface. Badda bing, Badda boom, coruscant conquered by an Imperitor Titan, the SW universe crumbles without their precious "senate" who never gets anything done anyways and then the Federation tries to negotiate with the Imperium which leads to them having a meeting on earth while one of the delegates is really a Callidus assasin, goodbye starfleet command! A whack whack here and a whack whack there, badda bing, badda boom Federation crumbles without their leaders, while the Imperium Navy hunts down Fed ships, and are eventually anhilated into nothingness.
You'd have to first get past planetary shields that could hold out for weeks. and if it was Imperial Era Coruscant, the Imperium forces will have to contend with a whole lot of Star Destroyers, Golan Space Defenses (powerful enough to trade broadsides with Star Destroyers and live), Super Star Destroyers, maybe even the Death Star and let's not mention the Emperor himself who has a Force power that can destroy fleets (Dark Empire). Even if Titans reach the surface, Palpatine would have no qualms about ordering a bombardment to take them out, no matter if it kills a few million civilians.
Now if it was before the Clone Wars, then yes, SW would have trouble. Even so, it'll actually work in Palpy's favor to order emergency military appropriations to build ships from Fondor and Kuat and crew them with the clones or a massive draft. I'm sure there would be quite a few willing to fight against the Imperium, especially if Palpatine galvanizes the public with specially chosen images from the Burning of Coruscant. If you think our response to 9/11 was nasty, think how much worse the Republic's response to this attack would be

:sniper: :mp5: Oh come on star wars wins this hand down, who can go against the the light side of the force.

oh get a life
Who's life is worse, those who enjoy a light hearted theoritical battle or the person who spends thier time trolling around monitering the value of how other people spend thier spare time?

concluesion: BattleTech would win becuase mech's are cool.

Granted I probably like Battletech more than all three of the others (maybe not Star Wars) but I don't think there is a sci-fi universe that couldn't beat the Battletech one. They can't make new mechs, they have a tacit agreement not to shoot jump ships because they're not even sure they can repair them much less make another-it's a sci-fi setting on it's last leg.

Which is what I liked about it. It made the whole thing interesting that you had to fight a war while preserving as much as you could scavenge. When they added clans I thought it started to suck, though product wise they had painted themselves in the corner-can't come out with new stuff if the society can't create new stuff.

Yeah im siding with that Whippydom guy. You guys must have ABSOLUTELY no social life if you have nothing better to do than argue about series and stuff. Personally I enjoy Star Wars and their games but Im not going to come here and argue with other online people becuase thats a losing battle right there. Every arguemment that you've been in about whats best have either you or the other person come to an agreement??? NO. If you guys are willing go into such depth about something no one will change their view on anything so just shut up and stop bitching about everything. I don't see what there is to bitch about just buy everything from all three of those groups and say that they're all good. Don't say to yourself that it will cost too much money cus its your parents cash. Don't even bother posting a reply cus the forums issues are updated every hour and my life doesn't include looking for past topics in the search. Ya know I really have started to go on a ramble here...

I'm Dutch, but my English is better than yours.

Omg... You guys actually bother arguing about this kind of crap?
You have way too much spare time on your hands...

HC Eredivisie, lol. ;)

Omg... You guys actually bother arguing about this kind of crap?
You have way too much spare time on your hands...

HC Eredivisie, lol. ;)
Would you rather have another tedium argument about evolution?
It's good to argue about silly stuff sometime.

And calling an worldwide industry like WH 40K, cult science fiction series that genereta millions of revenues each year through all the products, conventions and advertising "crap" is rather narrow-minded.