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Whoo hoo!

(Just practicing)

:D

I cannot work under the these conditions!!!

*waits for someone to start Bush wins Election 2004 thread*

hahaha :p

Hey did you know that Bush was the first president to be elected without actually winning the election? :eek:

Hey did you know that Bush was the first president to be elected without actually winning the election? :eek:

Yeah, pretty much everyone knows that.

Hey did you know that Bush was the first president to be elected without actually winning the election? :eek:
Actually, he wasn't. Tilden was the original Al Gore.

Nazi Fox News

Corporate collapse after Kerry tragedy

John Kerry's election to US president sent Haliburton stocks crashing overnight. One unnamed stockbrocker said "They just keep on falling until they stopped at $1.00. It was a slaughter, never to be seen before!". On news of the collapse of the Haliburton stocks to a record low, Haliburton tried to suspend trade in it's stock on the NYSE, but it was too late.

People on the streets were using their Haliburton stock certificates as cigarette paper and it was being shredded to make cheap confetti for the Democratic parties being held all over US.

hehe that would be funny Jeruselem..

Hey did you know that Bush was the first president to be elected without actually winning the election? :eek:


No REALLY say it isn’t so!

Yeah, pretty much everyone knows that.

"Everyone"??????

Do you mean every other idiot out there that doesn't have a clue concerning American history? Why don't you morons do a little reading before you write this blather.

W was not the first person to win the election without the popular vote. It's called the Electoral College.

Do you mean every other idiot out there that doesn't have a clue concerning American history? Why don't you morons do a little reading before you write this blather.

Knock the flaming off. There is no reason for the name calling. If you have to resort to name calling you've already lost your argument!

Stephanie
Game Moderator

Knock the flaming off. There is no reason for the name calling. If you have to resort to name calling you've already lost your argument!

Stephanie
Game Moderator


Name calling? What would you call someone who misrepresents American history and does so in an attempt to demean the leader of my nation? I thought I exercised a great deal of restraint. If the word "moron" is too much for you, I suggest you turn down your sensitivity dial a notch or two.

Knock the flaming off. There is no reason for the name calling. If you have to resort to name calling you've already lost your argument!

Stephanie
Game Moderator


Awww but I was looking at getting out a hotdog … Im hungry and don’t have enough flames of my own

Hey did you know that Bush was the first president to be elected without actually winning the election? :eek:
No he wasn't (John Quincy Adams did it), but Kerry better win this one.

Name calling? What would you call someone who misrepresents American history and does so in an attempt to demean the leader of my nation? I thought I exercised a great deal of restraint. If the word "moron" is too much for you, I suggest you turn down your sensitivity dial a notch or two.

Stephistan, you know me (kind of) (well, I hope kind of) (ok, barely) and I seem to be a rational person who does agree with rules and regulations in the forums. But I have to agree with this person. Someone did make a rather uninformed comment that was a direct shot against the President (I do not support him) who this person seems to support. Assuming this, he did seem to show constraint, as he said he did. Yes, he does seem to be a little arrogant and this post was a little over the top. But, the original one seemed to be legitimate due to the stupidity that was contained in the post he was commenting about.

Anyways...

Name calling? What would you call someone who misrepresents American history and does so in an attempt to demean the leader of my nation? I thought I exercised a great deal of restraint. If the word "moron" is too much for you, I suggest you turn down your sensitivity dial a notch or two.

There is no name calling allowed. If you keep it up you could find your nation deleted. On another note, last time I checked there was about 280 million Americans, not all may share your view and not all of them may feel the same way about "the leader of your nation"

Stephanie
Game Moderator

I agree. Otherwise we are screwed into 4 more years of Bush's imperialism. and bad pronunciation of nuclear. That's nuke-leer. It's gotten so bad I have even heard one of my professors say it like that.

Actually, if he's re-elected, he's going to get it passed through congress and make it officially and permanently 'Nukyular". :)

I agree. Otherwise we are screwed into 4 more years of Bush's imperialism. and bad pronunciation of nuclear. That's nuke-leer. It's gotten so bad I have even heard one of my professors say it like that.


Oh wow and his pronunciation of a word really ranks up there with his world policies? Never knew it carried that much weight

Is it true that if Kerry wins he still wont take over until January?
Thats plenty of time for Bush to start screwing with Iran.

I dont think we can prevail in Iraq, Iran, Afganistan and the Korean Peninsula at once - not with the way we've offended the rest of the international community.

I hope Kerry wins decisively and that he really will handle foreign affairs diffreently.

This is probably worth a thread of its own, but I wanted to make sure everyone sees it, so I am putting it here:


http://www.deanport.com/win04/vote.htm

OK, if you're going to do this you must recognize the potential for things occuring that you wouldn't enjoy. For example, I started the Wednesday Morning thread, and I put up three potential story starters for the wednesday morning paper. Bush win, Kerry win, we don't know right now...

Is it true that if Kerry wins he still wont take over until January?
Thats plenty of time for Bush to start screwing with Iran.

I dont think we can prevail in Iraq, Iran, Afganistan and the Korean Peninsula at once - not with the way we've offended the rest of the international community.

I hope Kerry wins decisively and that he really will handle foreign affairs diffreently.

Um yeah that’s when the inauguration is

the video is...eh, slightly idealistic, shall we say?

thats good - funny Bush projection. :D

Um yeah that’s when the inauguration is

Why dont we just stage a coupe[is that how you spell it?] :D

I will run the country until Kerry is inaugurated. :cool: Just incase Bush tryies a fast one ;)

Why dont we just stage a coupe[is that how you spell it?] :D

I will run the country until Kerry is inaugurated. :cool: Just incase Bush tryies a fast one ;)


A fast one what :) lol if he losses the election sure there is plenty of time to fuck things up but what really would he gain by doing it on purpose?

I mean if he tries to set things up so Kerry has a bad 4 years he could have done that by now (assuming he could at all) and the in-between months are really too short to do anything real sneaky … (anything he tried would be caught)

Name calling? What would you call someone who misrepresents American history and does so in an attempt to demean the leader of my nation? I thought I exercised a great deal of restraint. If the word "moron" is too much for you, I suggest you turn down your sensitivity dial a notch or two.

Name calling? What would you expect me to call a noob who ARGUES with a mod for no reason other than to make trouble? I think I'm exercising a great deal of restraint :P Just kidding. Also you didn't post moron you said idiot. The point is while the inital offense was minor your reply was of the nature that, if this was one of my forums, I'd temp ban you. All Stephanie was trying to do is stop a flame war developing between the Bushites and the Anyone-but-Bush crew. Now ok I'm sticking my oar in and potentaily starting a flame war myself but I suggest you read the rules to a forum before you post and if a staff member of a website asks you not to do something you stop doing it!

And Greater Beijing its spelt coup (says the dsylexic person). And Kerry is just the lesser of two evils - in the same way that homoside is a lesser evil than genocide.

You know, if Kerry's best quality is that he can pronounce 'nuclear' and he's not Bush, this country is in for a lot of trouble if he wins.

You know, if Kerry's best quality is that he can pronounce 'nuclear' and he's not Bush, this country is in for a lot of trouble if he wins.

I can pronounce neewwwclearr… I mean nuuuccelear … ummm neeecccuuular

Oh wait nuclear

And Im not bush!

UPWARDTHRUST FOR PRESIDENT

has he won? woohoo!!!!! DOWN WITH BUSH!!!!!

has he won? woohoo!!!!! DOWN WITH BUSH!!!!!

Down with BUSH up with MINISKIRTS

Oh wow and his pronunciation of a word really ranks up there with his world policies? Never knew it carried that much weight
You know, if Kerry's best quality is that he can pronounce 'nuclear' and he's not Bush, this country is in for a lot of trouble if he wins.
Bush's poor pronounciation of the word is demonstrative of his 'intellect'; that's probably why it annoys people so much. Personally, I hated the idea of being "misunderestimated" even more, but his failure to properly articulate the word "nuclear" is irritating nonetheless.

Maybe it's a simple dialect issue. He's from Texas. Either way, I doubt his pronunciation is indicative of his intellect. In fact, here's a little tidbit:

SAT SCORES:
George W. Bush - 1206
John Kerry - 1190

Hey did you know that Bush was the first president to be elected without actually winning the election? :eek:Check your HISTORY, does John Quincy Adams ring a bell?

Since you are probably not old enough to wipe behind your ears yet, I'll use recent history for you!
1963, LBJ moved into office as president without being elected president, but was the VP.

And what about President Ford? Not even on the ticket!
Ford was the first President to be appointed under the provisions of the Twenty Fifth Amendment. Following the resignation of Vice President Agnew, President Nixon nominated him. He was confirmed in the Senate by 92-3 and in the House by 387-35. He took the oath of office on December 6, 1973. Eight months and three days later Nixon resigned and Ford became President.

Bush's poor pronounciation of the word is demonstrative of his 'intellect'; that's probably why it annoys people so much. Personally, I hated the idea of being "misunderestimated" even more, but his failure to properly articulate the word "nuclear" is irritating nonetheless.


There is also a pronunciation difference (the misunderestimated I agree with) but could just be local differences (like in Boston when they called it a bawg)

president bush will go down in history as one of americas greatest presidents and he did win the election only liberal communist dismiss an election due to other ideology! and i have full faith in america to reelect bush for a second term with a mandate and wipe out liberal communism in america :p

president bush will go down in history as one of americas greatest presidents and he did win the election only liberal communist dismiss an election due to other ideology! and i have full faith in america to reelect bush for a second term with a mandate and wipe out liberal communism in america :p


Sheesh he is an intellectual he is

That or he is being extremely sarcastic but is not very good at it (yo while posting you might want to make it more clear … some people actually sound like this and we don’t have facial expressions to go on to make a judgment)

That is if you are actually kidding
Which I cant tell.

Whoo hoo!

(Just practicing)

:D


Indeed a big Whoo hoo, Stephistan!
According to latest polls (Zogby aso.) we can see a Kerry as next president. Alltough it still can be rasor sharp when it comes to "monkey business" with counting machines aso in Florida. After last months changing in the polls of the "battle states", we have a big déjà vu. It all will come down on Florida when w wins in Ohio, NM, Colorado and a small N-east state.

Normally, it will be Kerry according the polls, but I have never seen an elevtion that had the same result or was in the margin of error of the polls previous to election day.
Also, if Kerry wins, his majority can even be bigger because most people between 18 and 29 only have a cell phone and no land line, most cell phone polls show that this group is largely voting for Kerry (55%), just one problem, will they go vote?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

this post was not in jest but as a stab at the liberal communist ideologies that are present in this thread

this post was not in jest but as a stab at the liberal communist ideologies that are present in this thread


Ohhh you were serious … Im sorry for you

dont feel sorry,come up with a candadate that actually believes in what he is espousing, clearly john kerry is insincere since he flip flops on all issues and his record clearly shows neglect

Points re: dialect issues accepted, and apologies proffered as a result. But still don't believe that just because he scored well in some exams and went to Yale (bet Daddy's money had nothing to do with that) means he actually is intelligent. I admit that (obviously) my knowledge of the man is not as extensive as that of the people in the US, but we do see quite a lot of American politics here in the UK - after all, a lot of US international policy affects us here. I'm not impressed by what I have seen of him. In fairness, I suppose, being a bad public speaker doesn't mean someone is not smart. But I remain unconvinced that this is one such case...

Whoo hoo!

(Just practicing)

:D
Wootzor!!! *dances to jamaican music in the street, while all Germans begin the festivites of the millenium*

Maybe it's a simple dialect issue. He's from Texas. Either way, I doubt his pronunciation is indicative of his intellect. In fact, here's a little tidbit:

SAT SCORES:
George W. Bush - 1206
John Kerry - 1190

Source?

Oh wow and his pronunciation of a word really ranks up there with his world policies? Never knew it carried that much weight

yup... he's as bad at providing direction for the "free world" as he is in simple things like talking (just my opinion, obviously).
but come on, the guy's obviously not the brightest bulb in the hardware store. regardless of the fact whether you support him or not, you'll have to at least admit that.

Maybe it's a simple dialect issue. He's from Texas. Either way, I doubt his pronunciation is indicative of his intellect. In fact, here's a little tidbit:

SAT SCORES:
George W. Bush - 1206
John Kerry - 1190
I would like to know where you got this peice of information, because it can't possibly be true...I got a 1400 so I must be smarter than both presidents.

Name calling? What would you call someone who misrepresents American history and does so in an attempt to demean the leader of my nation? I thought I exercised a great deal of restraint. If the word "moron" is too much for you, I suggest you turn down your sensitivity dial a notch or two.

Calm your ass down! However, if you find yourself exercising restraint on a thread, I suggest you turn down your high strung dial a few notches as well. Besides, you're a moron and nothing you say will ever matter. Personally, I would call someone who misrepresents America and it's history a jerk. However, I'm pretty sure that everyone understands the concept of the Electoral College AND its party affiliations. Therefore, we also understand that the current potato head was not elected by the people and we have the right to reject any leader which did not win the people's (popular) vote. Look, if you're feeling really stressed out about the whole election thing, I suggest you give O'Riley a call and you can talk it over while giving each other prostate massages with your newly acquire self-f*cking apparatus. i.e. your dildo

dont feel sorry,come up with a candadate that actually believes in what he is espousing, clearly john kerry is insincere since he flip flops on all issues and his record clearly shows neglect

I wasn’t sorry for you for being republican/conservative

More your ability to express yourself

I myself lean republican by just a bit but just because Kerry is a flip flopper(arguable I know so don’t get on me about it just picking a trait) and such doesn’t make GWBush the best president ever is how I think you put it.

As a Texan I feel that obliged to inform you that Bush's mispronunciation is not just his accent. His mispronunciation is compleatly his own fault.

yup... he's as bad at providing direction for the "free world" as he is in simple things like talking (just my opinion, obviously).
but come on, the guy's obviously not the brightest bulb in the hardware store. regardless of the fact whether you support him or not, you'll have to at least admit that.


How bout Stephan hawking … he has trouble pronouncing things too!

(hey I try not to lean one way or another but I feel like I should point out flaws in logic)

I agree that Kerry will get considerably more votes than Bush. But,to be fair, it doesn't matter which way everyone vote or who gets most votes. He will not win even if he, in reality, gets a massive majority.
It seems pretty clear to me that a logically mined nation like the US would never reelect such a poor leader. Whoops, did I say reelect? He wasn't even elected to start with! Anyway, therein lies the problem. Im sure enough Democrat votes will be forgotten or disqualifed on dodgy criteria to ensure Bush gets another term. I really hope Im wrong, but somehow I doubt it.

How bout Stephan hawking … he has trouble pronouncing things too!

(hey I try not to lean one way or another but I feel like I should point out flaws in logic)

hawkings actually looks smarter (there's more twinkle in his eyes). bush's expression looks like a house where the inhabitants have gone on a very long holiday, but forgot to turn off the lights.

don't be so sure about bush winning. I hate the guy, but He will probably win in court if the election is too close to call. (most of the supreem court judges were apionted by W's daddy) :headbang:

Let me talk about me and these polls. You see, I get crap in the real mail, e-mail, and on the telephone. I really like to do them, so I fill out, or answer the questions. Then all the bean counters get together, and tabulate their findings. However, myself and like 100's of others that I know of, give incorrect information. I always support, and present the Senator from Boston as my choice, but when I filled out my absentee ballot, I fully completed the block for President Bush.
So, if Mr Kerry has a slight advantage in the polls, I'm honestly unconcerned, for I know it is people like me that have created that fallacy marginal error!

However, in 08 when Hillary is on the ticket, I will honestly support and vote for her.

Everyone should look at this (http://www.punkvoter.com).

I agree that Kerry will get considerably more votes than Bush. But,to be fair, it doesn't matter which way everyone vote or who gets most votes. He will not win even if he, in reality, gets a massive majority.
It seems pretty clear to me that a logically mined nation like the US would never reelect such a poor leader. Whoops, did I say reelect? He wasn't even elected to start with! Anyway, therein lies the problem. Im sure enough Democrat votes will be forgotten or disqualifed on dodgy criteria to ensure Bush gets another term. I really hope Im wrong, but somehow I doubt it.


yes he WAS elected just not by popular vote ... just had to point out a flaw

I don’t agree that the fight over Florida but again it doesn’t matter because the fight wasn’t over the electoral collage vote just the popular

And as proven there is no rule that they have to follow popular.

Weather that is right or not is not really of question because the same system is in place nowadays just because it didn’t give you the person you wanted …

Sorry babbling … if you don’t like the system work to change it!

punkvoter... what a concept!

top marks for attempting to get the 'youth' votes
shame the current system does not recognise the difference between
not voting for anybody
and
voting for nobody...

punkvoter... what a concept!

top marks for attempting to get the 'youth' votes
shame the current system does not recognise the difference between
not voting for anybody
and
voting for nobody...

Agreed like I said somewhere I want an

“All stated candidates are idiots” option

I'm running for congress in 2021. I'm Democrat and I hate Bush, who will (hopefully) be long gone by the time I'm in office. If you live in Maryland in 2021, vote for me, I'll be the cool Democrat running.

Did anyone else see that the conservative guy from Crossfire said that he thought that Kerry would win!? A great moment in TV history. hehe

here (UK) it's called RON
(re-open nominations)
unfortunately not something used in general (or local) elections

suppose it could all drag on abit if it was used... (abused)

Did anyone else see that the conservative guy from Crossfire said that he thought that Kerry would win!? A great moment in TV history. hehe


Yes a truly great moment … what’s crossfire again?

Did you all see the statistic: The people who watch The Daily Show have on average, a higher IQ than the people who watch Bill O'Reily. That rocks!

don't be so sure about bush winning. I hate the guy, but He will probably win in court if the election is too close to call. (most of the supreem court judges were apionted by W's daddy) :headbang:

Only 2 of the Justices were appointed by Bush senior.

Only 2 of the Justices were appointed by Bush senior.
and yet

Bush's poor pronounciation of the word is demonstrative of his 'intellect'; that's probably why it annoys people so much. Personally, I hated the idea of being "misunderestimated" even more, but his failure to properly articulate the word "nuclear" is irritating nonetheless.
I resent that remark. By that same logic all people who studder or have some other form speach impediment are less intelligent than you. I really take that personally as I have a tendency to studder whenever I get excited inconversations. That I had to endure years of speech therapy because I used to have trouble pronouncing certain sounds or words and still do on occasion. Does this make my 'intellect', as you put it, less than yours? I highly doubt it.

hawkings actually looks smarter (there's more twinkle in his eyes). bush's expression looks like a house where the inhabitants have gone on a very long holiday, but forgot to turn off the lights.


Ohhh so brightness of eyes is now the measuring “stick” and here I thought it was pronunciation

I'm running for congress in 2021. I'm Democrat and I hate Bush, who will (hopefully) be long gone by the time I'm in office. If you live in Maryland in 2021, vote for me, I'll be the cool Democrat running.
Cool as in popular? Oh yes, that's an excellent reason to vote someone into office. :rolleyes:

How bout Stephan hawking … he has trouble pronouncing things too!

(hey I try not to lean one way or another but I feel like I should point out flaws in logic)

come on man, give me a break. if you want a serious discussion, sure, just ask. but don't go comparing stephen hawking, one of the most acclaimed scientist of our times with president bush, a man who once said that 'the human being and the fish can coexist peacefully' (and i just picked one quote out of a list of hundreds right now). bush never proved his intellect, quite the contrary, i believe. if he HAS been succesful, despite his alcohol- drugs and literacy problems, it's because of his family's money and influence and his advisors. the guy almost even choked to death on a pretzel, fell off his bike and had 'sexual relations' with a turkey (check out http://www.president-bush.com/bush-turkey.html ).
comparing that guy to a handicapped genius is NOT a basis for a serious argument.

Cool as in popular? Oh yes, that's an excellent reason to vote someone into office. :rolleyes:


maybe he meens cool as in frigid :p

I would like to know where you got this peice of information, because it can't possibly be true...I got a 1400 so I must be smarter than both presidents.

Anyone with much experience with standardized tests knows this is a misnomer. Officially, the only thing that the SAT (and ACT, for that matter) consistently tests, 100% of the time, is how well a student takes the SAT(ACT). To be fair, it can roughly suggest a heirarchy of ability in the areas of English and Math (soon to be writing as well, though this is highly subjective). But the test is only one small part of the more "global" picture of one's intelligence. It's one data point, not a data set. A single survey, not a comprehensive and detailed study.

That's why it usually isn't the exclusive source of admission or rejection from college.

Only 2 of the Justices were appointed by Bush senior.

Yes and some from Reagan and some from Nixon and only two from Clinton, so you do the math.. It is a conservative court.

come on man, give me a break. if you want a serious discussion, sure, just ask. but don't go comparing stephen hawking, one of the most acclaimed scientist of our times with president bush, a man who once said that 'the human being and the fish can coexist peacefully' (and i just picked one quote out of a list of hundreds right now). bush never proved his intellect, quite the contrary, i believe. if he HAS been succesful, despite his alcohol- drugs and literacy problems, it's because of his family's money and influence and his advisors. the guy almost even choked to death on a pretzel, fell off his bike and had 'sexual relations' with a turkey (check out http://www.president-bush.com/bush-turkey.html ).
comparing that guy to a handicapped genius is NOT a basis for a serious argument.


Nope not the basis of a non serious argument.
It was a flippant reply to a post that deserved such

and had 'sexual relations' with a turkey (check out http://www.president-bush.com/bush-turkey.html ).

feel sorry for the turkey. :(

Yes and some from Reagan and some from Nixon and only two from Clinton, so you do the math.. It is a conservative court.


Yeah but he was just contradicting the point that bushes daddy put them all there

Yes and some from Reagan and some from Nixon and only two from Clinton, so you do the math.. It is a conservative court.

Are you implying that the Supreme Court is biased?

come on man, give me a break. if you want a serious discussion, sure, just ask. but don't go comparing stephen hawking, one of the most acclaimed scientist of our times with president bush, a man who once said that 'the human being and the fish can coexist peacefully' (and i just picked one quote out of a list of hundreds right now). bush never proved his intellect, quite the contrary, i believe. if he HAS been succesful, despite his alcohol- drugs and literacy problems, it's because of his family's money and influence and his advisors. the guy almost even choked to death on a pretzel, fell off his bike and had 'sexual relations' with a turkey (check out http://www.president-bush.com/bush-turkey.html ).
comparing that guy to a handicapped genius is NOT a basis for a serious argument.

Speaking of things not a basis for serious argument...

These are awfully pedestrian points. Choking on a pretzel, falling off of a bike, and so on. I fear much for our country if this is the basis for decisions on the presidential election. And this is why I get so mad at Partisan flamers here on the forum, and even the vocal partisan, not-quite-crossed-into-flamerville posters, such as Stepihstan. These banal examples (such as Stephs 525 reasons or some such) are hardly the source of a political position. They are the result of it. They are the evidence that is conjured up after one has decided who to unwaveringly follow. They are, dare I say it, received knowledge. They are, by all objective understanding, unintelligible. And hard for a not-so-blinded by polarities person like me to hear, or read, as the case may be.

The truth is that both candidates have chuckles, quirks, nuance, and, stupidities. Yes, stupidities. Even Kerry. For all you "K3rry = teh 63niu5" people out there, I would note that he has done many unintelligent things and if you weren't so busy kissing the hole ground upon which he walked you'd realize it.

Okay that was a bit hostile, but I'm frustrated. I'm frustrated with the candidates. I'm frustrated with their idiotic supporter. I'm frustrated with the media, who never seem to give us "people people" a fair slice. I'm going out for dinner Tuesday, as celebration for this nightmare being over...

Oh well, at least I've learned how dumb people can be when their ideology feels under attack. It's almost like a section from Lord of the Flies *rolleyes*

Are you implying that the Supreme Court is biased?
Scalia, and Thomas are both very far-right wing.
Rehnquist is also pretty conservative, but not as much.
O'Connor and Kennedy are moderate conservatives.
Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer are moderate liberals.

Either side can see bias either way.

Maybe it's a simple dialect issue. He's from Texas. Either way, I doubt his pronunciation is indicative of his intellect. In fact, here's a little tidbit:

SAT SCORES:
George W. Bush - 1206
John Kerry - 1190


Anybody who has taken the SATs knows a score of 1206 is impossible, did you mean 1260? I mean, that would have to be what, 800 math and 460 verbal, right? I mean, he butchers the english language more than Don King.
And a lot of what I'm hearing from the pro-Bush people is "Sadaam had to go" not many other places Bush is good. He's a terrible president, look at any evidence, he's lost way too many jobs, took a crap all over the national budget (under-funding numerous plans, including social-security on the way), and put us in a war that still hasn't been officially justified. They still haven't given us a reason why our troops are dying.

Are you implying that the Supreme Court is biased?

Well, they were in 2000, I won't make a general statement, I can only speak to the farce I watched in 2000.

Well, they were in 2000, I won't make a general statement, I can only speak to the farce I watched in 2000.

Yes, because God forbid they should step in and stop the Florida Supreme Court from re-writing Florida election law to make Gore the winner.

Yes a truly great moment … what’s crossfire again?


Crossfire is a liberal-conservative debate show on CNN. Tucker Carson is the guy's name I believe. I still can't be believe that he went on MSNBC and said that! If HE believes Kerry will win, then it's probably a sure sign.

Crossfire is a liberal-conservative debate show on CNN. Tucker Carson is the guy's name I believe. I still can't be believe that he went on MSNBC and said that! If HE believes Kerry will win, then it's probably a sure sign.
As Jon Stewart on Daily show said its usually just theater on that shopw. You just follow party line. But sometimes(little often) real debate happens, here is hoping for more!

And Who-hoo Kerry!

Whoo hoo!

(Just practicing)

:D
How can this be?
A moderator of all people?
Starting a post that has personal, and political views. Are moderators no longer held to the oath of fair and unbiased?
Then a blatant remark about some candidate that may or may not win an election. This would be far from the oath of equal, fair and unbiased.

I suggest you:
Repent.
Remove this entire topic.
And remove yourself from political views until after the election.

As a moderator YOU are the one that maintains a FAIR, JUST and USER FRIENDLY environment. Not create all that you are to prevent.

How can this be?
A moderator of all people?
Starting a post that has personal, and political views. Are moderators no longer held to the oath of fair and unbiased?
Then a blatant remark about some candidate that may or may not win an election. This would be far from the oath of equal, fair and unbiased.

I suggest you:
Repent.
Remove this entire topic.
And remove yourself from political views until after the election.

As a moderator YOU are the one that maintains a FAIR, JUST and USER FRIENDLY environment. Not create all that you are to prevent.


Hmmm I think it has been pointed out as long as he dosent make mod calls based on his political point of view it is perfectly reasonable

Can you honestly say ANY person is without bias?

And if not what “level” of bias is too much?
Is his too much just because you think it is too much?

Is your opinion on his bias, biased in of it self?

How can this be?
A moderator of all people?
Starting a post that has personal, and political views. Are moderators no longer held to the oath of fair and unbiased?
Then a blatant remark about some candidate that may or may not win an election. This would be far from the oath of equal, fair and unbiased.

I suggest you:
Repent.
Remove this entire topic.
And remove yourself from political views until after the election.

As a moderator YOU are the one that maintains a FAIR, JUST and USER FRIENDLY environment. Not create all that you are to prevent.
Mods ARE allowed to have opinions. Aren’t they?

maybe he meens cool as in frigid :p
Oh Yeah! :cool:

Mods ARE allowed to have opinions. Aren’t they?


you would assume so

Maybe we should get some bots ... though they would be biased , programmers and all have political bias

ModBot endorses Chaos due to statistic probability

ModBot endorses Chaos due to statistic probability

Yup cause you know there is no such thing as a truly random number … and if you base any part of its reaction on this for stated randomness … it is not truly random so there has to be some bias

Though it could be approximating randomness to the .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent of neutral still there is SOME bias

How can this be?
A moderator of all people?
Starting a post that has personal, and political views. Are moderators no longer held to the oath of fair and unbiased?
Then a blatant remark about some candidate that may or may not win an election. This would be far from the oath of equal, fair and unbiased.

I suggest you:
Repent.
Remove this entire topic.
And remove yourself from political views until after the election.

As a moderator YOU are the one that maintains a FAIR, JUST and USER FRIENDLY environment. Not create all that you are to prevent.

I only have to be unbiased in my moderation. I am allowed to play Nationstates and partake in any opinion and or debate I wish, as are all of the mods. I obviously know the rules perhaps a bit better then you, I am the Game Moderator here.

I only have to be unbiased in my moderation. I am allowed to play Nationstates and partake in any opinion and or debate I wish, as are all of the mods. I obviously know the rules perhaps a bit better then you, I am the Game Moderator here.


Hear Hear!

Specially since being unbiased is technically impossible

I'm British and I can't decide who i'd vote for.

Bush with this war thingy makes me wonder...
But I don't know much about this Kerry bloke.

If I was American, I'd vote for...Kerry.

*waits for someone to smack me*

he dosent make mod calls based on his political point of view it is perfectly reasonable

She ;)

Hear Hear!

Specially since being unbiased is technically impossible
Do unbiasly believe that nothing can be unbiased?

I watched that Stolen Honor documentary today and it really took a shot at Kerry. I think that it will air again today at noon and tomorrow morning at 12:30 A.M. (Pacific times, I believe). It airs on PAX.

Hmmm I think it has been pointed out as long as he dosent make mod calls based on his political point of view it is perfectly reasonableI fully agree. But, in the last post that I linked to, she made a mod call that could very well be considered biased by many.


Can you honestly say ANY person is without bias?I know a few judges, and when they put on their bench clothes, they are pretty damn near unbiased. Honestly speaking, no.[/quote]


And if not what “level” of bias is too much?
Is his too much just because you think it is too much?At what level is unbiased measured. Because she happens to have the same views as you, are you both then in the same cesspool?


Is your opinion on his bias, biased in of it self?My opinion is just that, and like orifices, we all have two. But as a moderator, she should know exactly right from wrong, and have no grey areas at all. What she has done in fact, goes against all moderator rules, and oaths to keep a forum equal, fun, unbiased, and flame, name calling free. Furthermore by starting a topic with a direct political agenda, she has faltered in her duties.

I could really care less, as you can tell about the topic, it's about WHO started the topic, and what POSITION that person holds. Equality must be measured, and must be enforced by the mods.

If the local policeman were to drink and drive, but pull you over after you have had a drink, then chose to drive, what would be your take on that event?

God I hope not.....

IF Kerry wins, it will be an unmitigated disaster for this country. However, Congress will prevent him from going too crazy, but that man scares the hell out of me with his crazy quotes.

"Global Test"

"Judge appointments who will interpret the Constituion against current law." They should interpret the law against the Constitution. Why this fundimental lack of knowledge does not disqualify him from becoming President is beyond me.

My opinion is just that, and like orifices, we all have two. But as a moderator, she should know exactly right from wrong, and have no grey areas at all. What she has done in fact, goes against all moderator rules, and oaths to keep a forum equal, fun, unbiased, and flame, name calling free. Furthermore by starting a topic with a direct political agenda, she has faltered in her duties.


*Wants to know more about these oaths that mods take, and any rituals that might accompany them. (Has some spare chickens, in case they're needed.)

However, in 08 when Hillary is on the ticket, I will honestly support and vote for her.
Which won't happen if Kerry wins.

God I hope not.....

IF Kerry wins, it will be an unmitigated disaster for this country. However, Congress will prevent him from going too crazy, but that man scares the hell out of me with his crazy quotes.

"Global Test"

"Judge appointments who will interpret the Constituion against current law." They should interpret the law against the Constitution. Why this fundimental lack of knowledge does not disqualify him from becoming President is beyond me.
Bush scares the Bejesus out of me! And I don't even have any Bejesuses. Ignoring how little sense my previous coment is, I can't trust Bush. I am middle class, not rich, so his tax cuts don't effect me. He is destroying the forests and wetlands that I want my future children to enjoy, and his war in Iraq is just a perverted copy of what his father tried to do.

In '08 it will either be Kerry or Clinton based on the outcome of this election. I think that in '08, the republicans will play the Rudy Giuliani card.

Bush scares the Bejesus out of me! And I don't even have any Bejesuses. Ignoring how little sense my previous coment is, I can't trust Bush. I am middle class, not rich, so his tax cuts don't effect me. He is destroying the forests and wetlands that I want my future children to enjoy, and his war in Iraq is just a perverted copy of what his father tried to do.

Yeah....right. Yet Kerry will create some utopia. The leaves in the northeast turning brown was blamed on Bush. So vote Kerry so the leaves will turn green again!! LOL

Yeah....right. Yet Kerry will create some utopia. The leaves in the northeast turning brown was blamed on Bush. So vote Kerry so the leaves will turn green again!! LOL
I never said that Kerry was a lot better than Bush, I just said that he was better. And if I was in office, I could turn the leaves green again. :D

God I hope not.....

IF Kerry wins, it will be an unmitigated disaster for this country. However, Congress will prevent him from going too crazy, but that man scares the hell out of me with his crazy quotes.

"Global Test"

"Judge appointments who will interpret the Constituion against current law." They should interpret the law against the Constitution. Why this fundimental lack of knowledge does not disqualify him from becoming President is beyond me.

Bah. Bush's quotes are far more disturbing than Kerry's, I assure you.

I don't trust Bush as far as I could throw him....If i had my arms tied behind my back....

I never said that Kerry was a lot better than Bush, I just said that he was better. And if I was in office, I could turn the leaves green again. :D

No, Bush is not perfect, but Kerry just seems so weak on defense and that is our main worry now. I think he will weaken us further. Plus his healthcare "plan" is going to be a boondoggle. He promises a lot but is very vague about the details. I do not trust anyone that does that. He reminds me of a used car salesman.

Bush reminds me a lot like a monkey.

Bush reminds me a lot like a monkey.

Yeah, and if Kerry looked any more like Herman Munster he would be a copyright infringement.

Touche

Have you been to www.jibjab.com?

He is destroying the forests and wetlands that I want my future children to enjoy

I'm not trying to defend Bush's environmental policy...

But you think your kids will enjoy the "wetland"? Having lived on a plot with a portion of wetland I can tell you that it is no place for children. Not even for Michael Jackson (no trees to hide in + no plastic surgeons + no beds to, uh, yeah = no Wacko Jacko). When they're young the wetland is too dangerous for them. Between watersnakes and snapping turtles (depending on where you are, possibly crocs) it's a little kids nightmare of missing limbs and poisonous bites. And when they get older, it really doesn't interest them anymore. I understand wanting to preserve forests for future generations, but wetlands I can only see as being logically preserved to protect wildlife.

Knock the flaming off. There is no reason for the name calling. If you have to resort to name calling you've already lost your argument!

Stephanie
Game ModeratorThis post is the reason you have brought me to the field of battle. You allowed the first flame to go by unscathed from within your own 'political oriented topic', which is the second reason.

Now if a person deliberately places untrue statements or fallacies into their post, then rebuttal should be expected. But when a rebuttal comes in, YOU AS THE MODERATOR should handle and place the retributions TO ALL parties involved, and not to just those THAT YOU are aligned against. That is why YOU as a MODERATOR should not have started this topic in the first place.

This is not against you as Stephi, but against you as Stephistan the Moderator. For you have clearly unbalanced the duties here in this post.

Have you been to www.jibjab.com?

Yeah, I love that site.... GO BADNARIK!!!

I'm not trying to defend Bush's environmental policy...

But you think your kids will enjoy the "wetland"? Having lived on a plot with a portion of wetland I can tell you that it is no place for children. Not even for Michael Jackson (no trees to hide in + no plastic surgeons + no beds to, uh, yeah = no Wacko Jacko). When they're young the wetland is too dangerous for them. Between watersnakes and snapping turtles (depending on where you are, possibly crocs) it's a little kids nightmare of missing limbs and poisonous bites. And when they get older, it really doesn't interest them anymore. I understand wanting to preserve forests for future generations, but wetlands I can only see as being logically preserved to protect wildlife.
I work in a nature lodge over the summers, and I can say that wetlands are not nearly as dangerous as you say. Sure, we caught a 2' snapping turtle, but by the time they get that old, they are docile anyway. Water snakes are not a major problem where I live (Maryland), and at 18, I still enjoy visiting wetlands and woodlands. Yes, I have a girlfriend, yes I have friends. I am not one of those eco-nerds (not that there is anything wrong with beingone). I am an average, teenage male that is concerned with our planet.

Whoo hoo!

(Just practicing)

:D

What if somehow Nader miraculously wins because he ends up capturing Osama [within the next few hours]? :eek:

What if somehow Nader miraculously wins because he ends up capturing Osama [within the next few hours]? :eek:
...LOL...

This is probably worth a thread of its own, but I wanted to make sure everyone sees it, so I am putting it here:


http://www.deanport.com/win04/vote.htm
WOW!!! That was a powerful, and hopeful message!! GO KERRY GO!! :D

the video is...eh, slightly idealistic, shall we say?
Certainly a lot better than the 4 years of negativity created by Bush and Company? :eek:

no matter who wins... the other 50% of the people won't believe they really won...


basically, no matter what, whoever wins has no legitimacy

clearly john kerry is insincere since he flip flops on all issues and his record clearly shows neglect


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Well... I guess I can't argue with that, not with Bush's record of.... neglect?!?!? Wait a minute.....

o please... enough with this flip-floping


i'd rather have someone in power who has the sense to look around and change with the times the someone who wants to launch a "crusade" and won't change anything, no matter how many lives it ruins to do it :headbang:

:sniper: this means war. Long live Ralph Nader. :mp5:

:sniper: this means war. Long live Ralph Nader. :mp5:
...isn't that contradicting itself? You want war, but voting for Nader....

...isn't that contradicting itself? You want war, but voting for Nader....
Agreed

I resent that remark. By that same logic all people who studder or have some other form speach impediment are less intelligent than you. I really take that personally as I have a tendency to studder whenever I get excited inconversations. That I had to endure years of speech therapy because I used to have trouble pronouncing certain sounds or words and still do on occasion. Does this make my 'intellect', as you put it, less than yours? I highly doubt it.
If Bush genuinely had a studder, that would be fair enough - but he honestly seems to not *know* that he's getting these things wrong. Let's assume it was just the "nuclear" thing discussed above (oh yeah, why'd you jump on just my back, and not the others having a go at him?). Fair enough; due to dialect, studdering or whatever, he can't pronounce it. However, what about all the other things that have got nothing to do with the *way* he speaks? Eg, as I said above, "misunderestimated". Also, what about:

"Our priorities is our faith"
"They said this issue wouldn't resignate with the People"
"We cannot let terriers and rogue nations hold this nation hostile"

Plus the numerous others. Everyone makes slip ups from time to time, but I've never heard of anyone making as many as these. People with genuine speech problems are not stupid, and I never said that they were. I said he was - his is *not* a speech problem, so far as it can be seen on TV. When he actually constructs a proper sentence, he doesn't normally studder and suchlike. But more often that not, he can't even use words in their proper context. Either that or he makes them up.

Take it personally if you wish, but as far as I aware I have never met you, don't know you at all, before now had never even heard of you, and therefore have no opinion on you. By that logic, I am not going to start personal attacks on you.

Name calling? What would you call someone who misrepresents American history and does so in an attempt to demean the leader of my nation? I thought I exercised a great deal of restraint. If the word "moron" is too much for you, I suggest you turn down your sensitivity dial a notch or two.

he is not the leader of our nation i conseder myself and the "common folk" around me to be higher than him so i feel that i deserve more respect than he does seeing that he was elected (or not...) to serve me. so there :P

I believe gore would not have received nearly as many votes as he got in 2000 had everyone actually paid attention to politics. I for one voted for him in 2000, but have since started paying attention to the viewpoints each candidate and party has and will never vote for another Democrat. I know I'm not alone. Here in WV (one of the battleground states no less), my county has seen more people register as republican than ever before. Ignorance causes Democrats to win this state. Things are different now. BTW, I am below the middle class.

As a side note, if Bush falling off his bike makes him dumb, then what about Kerry falling off his bike? Both candidates wrecked. It makes no one better than the other. Personally, if Bush doesn't get elected, I would much rather see Nader in there than Kerry.

Yeah....right. Yet Kerry will create some utopia. The leaves in the northeast turning brown was blamed on Bush. So vote Kerry so the leaves will turn green again!! LOL
Didn't some environmental group give his Senate voting record a score of 96%?

Here in WV (one of the battleground states no less), my county has seen more people register as republican than ever before. Ignorance causes Democrats to win this state. Things are different now. BTW, I am below the middle class.
WV isn't really considered a battleground. Bush should win by at least 5%.

In any case, there is a shift occurring along party lines. Catholics, Jews, and black Baptists, once safe Democratic, are now ditching for the GOP because of gays, abortion, etc. A side effect is that moderate Republicans, who dislike the moralizing authoritarian nature of the new GOP, are ditching for the Libertarian Party (which I predict will become a major player as the Reform Party once was). Democrats shouldn't be hurt too bad because they still have the rising percentage of ethnic minorities in the country in their favor, and the slow march towards all races being considered minorities in America.

Take it personally if you wish, but as far as I aware I have never met you, don't know you at all, before now had never even heard of you, and therefore have no opinion on you. By that logic, I am not going to start personal attacks on you.
No problem. I just thought you could have worded your statement better, but that's just my opinion. It wasn't my intent to attack you if that is what you thought. Either way, I get your what you're trying to say.

Hey did you know that Bush was the first president to be elected without actually winning the election? :eek:

Do you mean by rigging it or by not winning the electoral vote?

If you mean by rigging it your right, but if you mean without the electoral vote, John Q. Adams, Harrison and Hayes also won without the popular vote.

Two things, one is this thread might jynx it, I wouldnt encourage doing that again.

Second, I just realized completely for the first time that if Bush wins, America is screwed, some say well just tough out the next four years, but that might be too much, what if all these 200+ years of hard work to make a great functional country it will all go down the drain, with one idiot from Texas, I dont know what I would do, I might be too devastated to move out and stay in the ruins, or I might just move to America jr. Aka, Canada.

Two things, one is this thread might jynx it, I wouldnt encourage doing that again.

Second, I just realized completely for the first time that if Bush wins, America is screwed, some say well just tough out the next four years, but that might be too much, what if all these 200+ years of hard work to make a great functional country it will all go down the drain, with one idiot from Texas, I dont know what I would do, I might be too devastated to move out and stay in the ruins, or I might just move to America jr. Aka, Canada.

Thats funny...I think the same thing about Kerry. He is too soft on US sovereignty and that really bothers me.

Thats funny...I think the same thing about Kerry. He is too soft on US sovereignty and that really bothers me.
I don't believe he is as "soft" as the Bush campaign has made him out to be. I wouldn't worry about something like the EU putting their flag on the white house, or UN troops enforcing martial law...;)

Do you mean by rigging it or by not winning the electoral vote?

If you mean by rigging it your right, but if you mean without the electoral vote, John Q. Adams, Harrison and Hayes also won without the popular vote.
I'd say Hayes's presidency was just as contriversal as Bush's. After all, the only reason he became president was because the South gave to him in return for promising bring an end to reconstruction.

I don't believe he is as "soft" as the Bush campaign has made him out to be. I wouldn't worry about something like the EU putting their flag on the white house, or UN troops enforcing martial law...;)

No, nothing like that, but his remarks give me great pause. "Global Test" was a monumental flub on his part.....was it maybe a freudian slip?

No, nothing like that, but his remarks give me great pause. "Global Test" was a monumental flub on his part.....was it maybe a freudian slip?
It was a flub, that's for sure. Right when he said it, I thought, "Karl Rove is gonna have a field day with that one."

I agree. Otherwise we are screwed into 4 more years of Bush's imperialism. and bad pronunciation of nuclear. That's nuke-leer. It's gotten so bad I have even heard one of my professors say it like that.
If Kerry wins, we look forward to 4 years of defering to other nations when questions of our security come up. Oh, and Kerry is unable to pronounce several words correctly either. Such as "idea". He pronounces it "idear", what an idiot. :rolleyes: It is called accent, and dialect. Look into it.

Maybe it's a simple dialect issue. He's from Texas. Either way, I doubt his pronunciation is indicative of his intellect. In fact, here's a little tidbit:

SAT SCORES:
George W. Bush - 1206
John Kerry - 1190

Wow... Does anyone else see why thats fishy?

Nazi Fox News

Corporate collapse after Kerry tragedy

John Kerry's election to US president sent Haliburton stocks crashing overnight. One unnamed stockbrocker said "They just keep on falling until they stopped at $1.00. It was a slaughter, never to be seen before!". On news of the collapse of the Haliburton stocks to a record low, Haliburton tried to suspend trade in it's stock on the NYSE, but it was too late.

People on the streets were using their Haliburton stock certificates as cigarette paper and it was being shredded to make cheap confetti for the Democratic parties being held all over US.


How many times am I going to have to tell people that CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE NOT GOOD ARGUMENTS!

The Haliburton accusations are ridiculous, baseless, and shameful. Look it up. It is just another democratic scandal meant to make you hate the leader of our country. I can't believe Kerry actually used that in the debate. That should be a disqualification. :rolleyes:

How many times am I going to have to tell people that CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE NOT GOOD ARGUMENTS!

The Haliburton accusations are ridiculous, baseless, and shameful. Look it up. It is just another democratic scandal meant to make you hate the leader of our country. I can't believe Kerry actually used that in the debate. That should be a disqualification. :rolleyes:
Well, uh the FBI is investigating the Pentagon over Haliburton contracts now. It may be nothing, or it may be something.

Maybe it's a simple dialect issue. He's from Texas.
Naaah, plenty of people say it here, too (Northern England). Reckon it has more to do with how many times you've seen the damn word written than where you're from, to be honest mate, if I can say that without sounding like a snob...

Relying on the way that people speak to determine their intelligence is a bad idea. He is obviously smart enough to cause the left to have seizures every time he speaks. :)

Relying on the way that people speak to determine their intelligence is a bad idea. He is obviously smart enough to cause the left to have seizures every time he speaks. :)
:D
In all honesty I wasn't making an issue of his intelligence dude. It's like.. hmm, round here people often equate "ignorant" with "rude" (now I know you can appear rude due to ignorance, but that's not what they mean..) and they're sort of ignorant of the actual meaning of the word. Hmm.
Actually the only relevence is the ignorance thing I guess. Doh.
I'll shut up now.

Whoo hoo!

(Just practicing)

:D

Oh, God, I hope not!

This post is the reason you have brought me to the field of battle. You allowed the first flame to go by unscathed from within your own 'political oriented topic', which is the second reason.

Now if a person deliberately places untrue statements or fallacies into their post, then rebuttal should be expected. But when a rebuttal comes in, YOU AS THE MODERATOR should handle and place the retributions TO ALL parties involved, and not to just those THAT YOU are aligned against. That is why YOU as a MODERATOR should not have started this topic in the first place.

This is not against you as Stephi, but against you as Stephistan the Moderator. For you have clearly unbalanced the duties here in this post.

Not telling the truth is not against the rules. Name calling is. If you would like to point out my bias as a mod to me (which you have yet to do) then I will happily address it.!

Originally Posted by Athine
This is probably worth a thread of its own, but I wanted to make sure everyone sees it, so I am putting it here:


http://www.deanport.com/win04/vote.htm


WOW!!! That was a powerful, and hopeful message!! GO KERRY GO!! :D


One of the best and hopefull things I saw.

Really great to see W with a Ossama beard :) After all, W and his father still have close friendshiprelations like in old days with the Bin Laden family (the whole war brings money to both families). Just immagine the catastrophy it would be for the US safety and economy with another four years of this shit.

"Everyone"??????

Do you mean every other idiot out there that doesn't have a clue concerning American history? Why don't you morons do a little reading before you write this blather.

W was not the first person to win the election without the popular vote. It's called the Electoral College.

DUDE calm your waters my fellow man

just in case someone hasnt seen this yet
this link is really funny
check it out
www.jibjab.com
click "this land"

just in case someone hasnt seen this yet
this link is really funny
check it out
www.jibjab.com
click "this land"
If you haven't seen that yet, you're living in a hole. Without internet access.

Not telling the truth is not against the rules. Name calling is. If you would like to point out my bias as a mod to me (which you have yet to do) then I will happily address it.!
Are you sure?
Here is the post that is a direct flamebait, with a flat out fallacy.
Hey did you know that Bush was the first president to be elected without actually winning the election?

Here is the second stage of flamebaiting.
Yeah, pretty much everyone knows that.Pretty much a generalization that Americans do not study American history.

Now comes along an individual that refuses to be generalized in the obtuse category.
"Everyone"??????

Do you mean every other idiot out there that doesn't have a clue concerning American history? Why don't you morons do a little reading before you write this blather.

W was not the first person to win the election without the popular vote. It's called the Electoral College.Here we have another example of gerneralization. First line asks the question.
Middle block, first sentence refutes that he is to be classified in the 'others' category. Second sentence, a generalization to a type of person to actually do something productive. But no direct name calling, just a generalization, like the one above.
Last block he gives a quick reference to popular vote vs electoral college.

Then your reply, with the apperance to be aimed soley towards 'Probstilvania'.
Knock the flaming off. There is no reason for the name calling. If you have to resort to name calling you've already lost your argument!
Stephanie
Game Moderator


Clearly, the origin was a flame bait. The second 'quote' was a generalization of 'everyone is dumb' but you allowed it to go, do you consider yourself in that category as well?

Again, there was no direct name calling, only generalizations, one from a President basher, which went unchecked. Then the one that challenges the fallacy, and refutes the generalization that he is not 'pretty much eveyone', and he gets the all so mighty MODERATOR reply.

I won't post his reply to question what, nor will I post your second reply to him. I'm sure you remember what was conversed, and how it was parlayed.

Blah blah, snip

You DO realize that, out of all those wonderful quotes, only one of them had an actual insult in them? Thus making it a flame? And-shocking as this may seem-it was the one that got the warning.

This is probably worth a thread of its own, but I wanted to make sure everyone sees it, so I am putting it here:


http://www.deanport.com/win04/vote.htm
This post is definitely worth an encore!! :D

Indeed a big Whoo hoo, Stephistan!
According to latest polls (Zogby aso.) we can see a Kerry as next president. Alltough it still can be rasor sharp when it comes to "monkey business" with counting machines aso in Florida. After last months changing in the polls of the "battle states", we have a big déjà vu. It all will come down on Florida when w wins in Ohio, NM, Colorado and a small N-east state.

Normally, it will be Kerry according the polls, but I have never seen an elevtion that had the same result or was in the margin of error of the polls previous to election day.
Also, if Kerry wins, his majority can even be bigger because most people between 18 and 29 only have a cell phone and no land line, most cell phone polls show that this group is largely voting for Kerry (55%), just one problem, will they go vote?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/RCP_EC.html

Try this on for size:

First off the vote is 227-203 Bush with 108 tossups! According to Electoral Vote.com it is 262-261 Kerry!

Now back to RealClearPolitics.com!

This is what the blurp at the bottome said:

11/2: In the last week there has been a small move toward Senator Kerry in the RCP National Average, however that has been offset by small movement towards President Bush in the critical battleground states. Based on the final RCP State Averages, President Bush is projected to win 296 Electoral Votes to 242 for Senator Kerry.

(There have been no public polls released in Hawaii in over two weeks, and even though President Bush leads in the two polls taken in mid-October, we feel Senator Kerry retains an edge in Hawaii due to the overwhelmingly Democratic leanings of the state. We have allocated Hawaii's four Electoral Votes to Kerry in our projection, though we have moved the state to a tossup based on private polling suggesting the state is indeed close.) RCP 7:27 am

To all people: Being critical, even in an overtly rude way, of a political candidate, a celebrity, or any other person of note is not considered a personal attack. Unless, of course, you are the specific person mentioned. Therefore, for example, if you are actually President George W. Bush, then you can consider an attack on President George W. Bush to be flaming.

Flaming can also extend to one's immediate family, with the notable exception of "Yo Mama," jokes.

Flaming also applies to extreme examples of poor taste, as I found to my chagrin when I posted a tongue-in-cheek thread on baby recipes. I took my medicine and I have no complaints.

Politics, in general, are given more leeway, as they are the keystone of free speech.

but Bush says he will stay in power becuase thats what the people mean by voting for Kerry just like with his clear skies and no child left behind everything is oppisite

I won't post his reply to question what, nor will I post your second reply to him. I'm sure you remember what was conversed, and how it was parlayed.

Oh Asssassins, you don't understand the rules very well do you.. First, I can call Bush a stupid moron who was appointed by the Supreme Court and not elected by the people and that is not flamebait or a flame. However if I were to call YOU or any other player of Nationstates that it would be. We only offer moderation to Nationstates members, so unless you can prove to me that the President has been hanging out on nationstates, I'm afraid you don't seem to understand the rules. There are a lot of people who believe Gore won the last election and that Bush stole it, I'm one of them! Given this is a wide spread popular belief, it can't be seen as flamebait. It's come up on the forums for a very long time. It's never been against the rules. So get with the program dude! :)

Oh Asssassins, you don't understand the rules very well do you.. First, I can call Bush a stupid moron who was appointed by the Supreme Court and not elected by the people and that is not flamebait or a flame. However if I were to call YOU or any other player of Nationstates that it would be. We only offer moderation to Nationstates members, so unless you can prove to me that the President has been hanging out on nationstates, I'm afraid you don't seem to understand the rules. There are a lot of people who believe Gore won the last election and that Bush stole it, I'm one of them! Given this is a wide spread popular belief, it can't be seen as flamebait. It's come up on the forums for a very long time. It's never been against the rules. So get with the program dude! :)

*stealth flame anyone?*

Oh Asssassins, you don't understand the rules very well do you.. First, I can call Bush a stupid moron who was appointed by the Supreme Court and not elected by the people and that is not flamebait or a flame. However if I were to call YOU or any other player of Nationstates that it would be. We only offer moderation to Nationstates members, so unless you can prove to me that the President has been hanging out on nationstates, I'm afraid you don't seem to understand the rules. There are a lot of people who believe Gore won the last election and that Bush stole it, I'm one of them! Given this is a wide spread popular belief, it can't be seen as flamebait. It's come up on the forums for a very long time. It's never been against the rules. So get with the program dude! :)

KEWL!!! Does that mean I can call Kerry a complete and utter moron who disses the military and doesn't deserve a single term as president? :D

KEWL!!! Does that mean I can call Kerry a complete and utter moron who disses the military and doesn't deserve a single term as president? :D

Actually, that's exactly what you can do if you so choose! Bush nor Kerry nor any one who is not a member of this site has any moderation protection.

Actually, that's exactly what you can do if you so choose! Bush nor Kerry nor any one who is not a member of this site has any moderation protection.

Just checking!

Bush stole the election? That's news to me! And here I thought it was the Supreme Courts decision! How foolish!

KEWL!!! Does that mean I can call Kerry a complete and utter moron who disses the military and doesn't deserve a single term as president? :D

Yes, and in turn I have the right to attempt to prove you wrong by irrefutable means.

Such as, in this campaign, I have never heard Kerry once say anything against the military personnel themselves. I'd be glad to accept a source for a quote that shows that he has, of course. The only prominent politician I've heard say anything directly negative about the job our troops are doing is Rudy Giuliani.

Where I live (Maryland) there is a school that is also a polling place. This school is about a quarter a mile away from the road. The line to vote went out that quarter of a mile and stopped at the road, continuing on the other side so that traffic could get by. It is not like this is the only polling place nearby either, there is another polling place less than a mile down the road that was also full. Maryland is a very democratic state and if the voter turnout in Maryland is consistant around the USA, John Kerry will probally be our next president :) . There are more registered Demorcrats than Republicans in the USA, so I hope that most of the registered Democrats are out there in those lines. Democrats tend to have a lower voter turnout than Republicans. I haven't voted yet, I was hopping that the lines would die down as the day went on.

No matter who wins nothing is going to change. We will still have politicians in the white house.

Both are Liars.

If Kerry wins, the same shit will continue to happen. It just will be not that obvious. :headbang:

So: VIVA BUSH! :D

Yes, and in turn I have the right to attempt to prove you wrong by irrefutable means.

In Politica, nothing is irrefutable.

Is it true that if Kerry wins he still wont take over until January?
Thats plenty of time for Bush to start screwing with Iran.

I dont think we can prevail in Iraq, Iran, [B]Afganistan[B] and the Korean Peninsula at once - not with the way we've offended the rest of the international community.

I hope Kerry wins decisively and that he really will handle foreign affairs diffreently.

We already succeded in Afghanistan, they had elections a few weeks ago.

If Kerry wins, the same shit will continue to happen. It just will be not that obvious. :headbang:

So: VIVA BUSH! :D

Wow. Bush's administration is one of the most secretive in American history. To say Kerry is just as bad is like saying a bee sting is like being hit by lightning. Sure, they both kinda suck (though I actually think Kerry will do a decent job,) but the lightning (Bush) sucks a whole lot more.

In Politica, nothing is irrefutable.
That is true, but you can completely destroy someones credibility, effectivly making anything they say unbelievable.

We already succeded in Afghanistan, they had elections a few weeks ago.

Elections are not the end-all be-all of success. Does the country as a whole support Karzai? Not really. Is the country secure? Nope. Are they producing 70% of the world's opium? Yes indeed. Is there still a "terrorist" presence? Yup.

I am so dreadfully tired of black and white thinking.

IN YOUR DREAMS :gundge:

Elections are not the end-all be-all of success. Does the country as a whole support Karzai? Not really. Is the country secure? Nope. Are they producing 70% of the world's opium? Yes indeed. Is there still a "terrorist" presence? Yup.

I am so dreadfully tired of black and white thinking.
Its this black and white thinking that gets Bush support! Its so annoying!

IN YOUR DREAMS :gundge:
Did this have any relavence what-so-ever? What is in our dreams? To what post was this directed?

Perhaps it's a reply to the topic title? Either way, :mp5: would have been more appropriate, :gundge: GES Biorifle proper form is only to be used when addresing a person.

For example;

Free Silver :gundge:

is incorrect, while

Aslag :gundge:

is correct usage.

That is true, but you can completely destroy someones credibility, effectivly making anything they say unbelievable.
Attacking the audience like credibility is bad debating though. Its support avoidance.
If you have a good product why do you have to bash the other products?

So is this the party thread?

*gets out the balloons* :D

4 more years!!! :p

Attacking the audience like credibility is bad debating though. Its support avoidance.
If you have a good product why do you have to bash the other products?
I'm not saying how debating should be done, I'm saying how it is done.

We'll see if he wins.

We'll see if he wins.
Oh course will will! Its not like suddenly I will lose intrest in the election. Its not like we won't see who will win.

The anticipation is killing me! Quite literally too!(Don't ask) I have family in Iraq and Kerry is the best chance to get them home.

To all my fans: Don;t worry, I'm not going to Iraq, I am too scared that Bush would going to back-door draft me if he wins again and that i'll be stuck there and no one will ever see me again until January 2009.

Knock the flaming off. There is no reason for the name calling. If you have to resort to name calling you've already lost your argument!

Stephanie
Game Moderator

You should see the "what's the matter with abortion" thread. I've been called many things there...

Hey did you know that Bush was the first president to be elected without actually winning the election? :eek:

Really I thought that was George Washington... Moron...

The anticipation is killing me! Quite literally too!(Don't ask) I have family in Iraq and Kerry is the best chance to get them home.

To all my fans: Don;t worry, I'm not going to Iraq, I am too scared that Bush would going to back-door draft me if he wins again and that i'll be stuck there and no one will ever see me again until January 2009.

Your family members in Iraq knew the risks when they signed up for the service. If there had been a draft, I would be much more sympathetic. But the military is a job where you might have to kill, and you may be killed. It's not designed as an easy way to get a cheap education and to make a decent pay, although some treat it as such. Not you're family, i'm sure.

Really I thought that was George Washington... Moron...

Gasp! An insult! That's certainly not allowed and I'm going to get all self-righteous about it!

My cousin's service ended months ago, but he is not being allowed to leave. I suggest you research what a back door draft is before you insult my family.

Check your HISTORY, does John Quincy Adams ring a bell?

Since you are probably not old enough to wipe behind your ears yet, I'll use recent history for you!
1963, LBJ moved into office as president without being elected president, but was the VP.

And what about President Ford? Not even on the ticket!
Ford was the first President to be appointed under the provisions of the Twenty Fifth Amendment. Following the resignation of Vice President Agnew, President Nixon nominated him. He was confirmed in the Senate by 92-3 and in the House by 387-35. He took the oath of office on December 6, 1973. Eight months and three days later Nixon resigned and Ford became President.

Wasn't Grant elected by the United States congress?

Bush stole the election? That's news to me! And here I thought it was the Supreme Courts decision! How foolish!

I thought it was Gores repeated law suits that were trying to steal the election; and that the supreme court decided that the country's future would not be decided by lawyers. Silly me!

I thought it was Gores repeated law suits that were trying to steal the election; and that the supreme court decided that the country's future would not be decided by lawyers. Silly me!
Oh, don't even talk. There have already been 10,000 lawyers hired for this election.

I thought it was Gores repeated law suits that were trying to steal the election; and that the supreme court decided that the country's future would not be decided by lawyers. Silly me!

Not decided by lawyers?! You must be one of those corporate shills! Everyone knows lawyers fight for the little guy, especially against those evil doctors!

Oh, don't even talk. There have already been 10,000 lawyers hired for this election.

Probably more than that those are only the lawyers Kerry has hired actually. I'm sure Bush is near equal to that.

Probably more than that those are only the lawyers Kerry has hired actually. I'm sure Bush is near equal to that.
That is total lawyers, and it is very close to a 50/50 lawyer split so don't even try to put your own spin on it.

soz ppl but i'm afraid the cowboy's gonna win :mp5:

Yes, and in turn I have the right to attempt to prove you wrong by irrefutable means.

Such as, in this campaign, I have never heard Kerry once say anything against the military personnel themselves. I'd be glad to accept a source for a quote that shows that he has, of course. The only prominent politician I've heard say anything directly negative about the job our troops are doing is Rudy Giuliani.

Ok then how about I say that Kerry is a complete moron and an idiot for insulting our allies that are helping in Iraq?

Ok then how about I say that Kerry is a complete moron and an idiot for insulting our allies that are helping in Iraq?
How about I call Bush a complete moron and idiot for treating the UN like an 8 year old child.

Can I just say, as a non-American watching the events surrounding the USA election, the remaining credibility of the American democracy is falling away. When we see the legal teams, accusations of fraud and voter intimidation, and the shear incapibility of the voting stations to cope with the number of voters, the constant American assessment of themselves as being the greatest democracy on earth seems beyond hypercritical - it's laughable.

leaked exit polls just in:

http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/016763.html

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109053/

start celebrating!!!

Heh, grain of salt man.

How about I call Bush a complete moron and idiot for treating the UN like an 8 year old child.

The UN is just as effective as the former League of Nations

The anticipation is killing me! Quite literally too!(Don't ask) I have family in Iraq and Kerry is the best chance to get them home.
I have family in Iraq too! And Kerry is my best chance to save them from American soldiers!

Maybe it's a simple dialect issue. He's from Texas. Either way, I doubt his pronunciation is indicative of his intellect. In fact, here's a little tidbit:

SAT SCORES:
George W. Bush - 1206
John Kerry - 1190

Wait a second. Not that SAT scores are always a clear indicator of intelligence or anything, but am I the only one that finds it disturbing that an eighth grader (my little sister) took the SAT and got a higher score than both of them (1240)? Granted, it's not a big gap, but she was in eighth grade at the time! AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

I have family in Iraq too! And Kerry is my best chance to save them from American soldiers!
We feel the same way.

The UN is just as effective as the former League of Nations
Now thats an exageration. A big exageration.

Wait a second. Not that SAT scores are always a clear indicator of intelligence or anything, but am I the only one that finds it disturbing that an eighth grader (my little sister) took the SAT and got a higher score than both of them (1240)? Granted, it's not a big gap, but she was in eighth grade at the time! AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Remember, the SAT changes a little every year, and a lot every....whenever. Not to mention the educational standards of schools change also.

Though I do confess a certain satisfaction in comparing their scores to mine.

The UN is just as effective as the former League of Nations
Only cus it is impeded so severely by American Republicans and neocons.

Only cus it is impeded so severely by American Republicans and neocons.

HAHA!! UN Did nothing in Bosnia, UN did nothing in other areas either. UN did nothing about the suffering of Iraq.

Also. you said you have family over in Iraq. My dad is going back to Iraq. I voted for Bush because I trust him on National Security and I believe he'll be a much better Commander in Chief than John F Kerry. If Kerry is elected, I fear for our military men and women.

My dad also did Bosnia under Clinton. That is about as far as to liking Clinton I can get after how he handled Somalia which pissed off the military personnel.

Now back to the UN! Look at all the world conflicts! Outside of Korea and Gulf War I, what exactly have they done? Name one conflict they prevented!

Ok then how about I say that Kerry is a complete moron and an idiot for insulting our allies that are helping in Iraq?

I'm glad you concede the point about Kerry insulting the troops.

In a way, I did see him insulting the alliance, but I saw it as more a criticism of the way it was put together, not of who actually comprised it. He called them the coalition of the coerced, among other things. Then again, the allies only supplied 15% of the coalition troops and a similar amount of the funding. The gross majority of coalition members only supplied support in name only. In that light, I see Kerry's criticism as apt. Now, in a similar vein, Bush really pushed a lot of potential allies away (no, I'm not speaking only of France and Germany,) and showed an inability to reach compromise or to even sustain talks with those disaffected allies.

Then you look at the fact that even our closest ally, England, when you look at the polling numbers from their populace, overwhelmingly support the ouster of Bush. This indicates that Bush's actions have had far more impact than Kerry's words.

HAHA!! UN Did nothing in Bosnia, UN did nothing in other areas either. UN did nothing about the suffering of Iraq.

Also. you said you have family over in Iraq. My dad is going back to Iraq. I voted for Bush because I trust him on National Security and I believe he'll be a much better Commander in Chief than John F Kerry. If Kerry is elected, I fear for our military men and women.

My dad also did Bosnia under Clinton. That is about as far as to liking Clinton I can get after how he handled Somalia which pissed off the military personnel.

Now back to the UN! Look at all the world conflicts! Outside of Korea and Gulf War I, what exactly have they done? Name one conflict they prevented!

Hey guys! Iraq is suffering! Lets bomb them and make sure to hit the wedding parties too!

Remember, the SAT changes a little every year, and a lot every....whenever. Not to mention the educational standards of schools change also.

Though I do confess a certain satisfaction in comparing their scores to mine.
Well, the situation's mixed on that... there's the satisfaction of crushing their scores, and the rather alarming knowledge that the leader of the world's most powerful country scored so much worse than me.

We'll see what happens. Either way, the world will go on... probably.

Either way, the world will go on... probably.
Thats what worries me...I would feel safer if Kerry was in office.

People say that Bush would give a safer USA, but I don't think so. Bush has screwed us over and I don't think some of our allies can take another four years of him.

How about I call Bush a complete moron and idiot for treating the UN like an 8 year old child.

How about the flaming here Stephistan? I don't see you getting on to this person for calling somebody stupid...

Oh, is the reason because you agree with him/her? Really, how about a little fairness, huh?

Bush asked for the UN to help for over 6 months. They weren't going to help, so we took it upon ourselves to help close a potential national security threat and liberate a group of oppressed peoples. The UN was acting childish and swaying to political pressure when it made it's decision.

Why shouldn't we treat the UN like a child? We do provide well over half the resources that maintain it and house its HQ. Sounds like we feed it, house it, and cloth it. Kinda sounds like a kid, huh? Until the other 191 nations contribute equal amounts to that of the US, then they should have very little say in what the US does with their troops. It is our child, and we should not have to confer with it every time we feel there is a threat to national security.

As for Bush being dumb, it is reported that Bush outscored Clinton on the SAT's. And you know, if Bush is a moron, that would have made Clinton a retard.

Like that line of reasoning? Didn't think so. So don't go around questioning our President's intelligence. It just might show your own lack thereof. ;-)

As for Bush being dumb, it is reported that Bush outscored Clinton on the SAT's. And you know, if Bush is a moron, that would have made Clinton a retard.


Maybe his test was checked in Florida, where it underwent massive re-checks until he won? Oh wait...

How about the flaming here Stephistan? I don't see you getting on to this person for calling somebody stupid...

Oh, is the reason because you agree with him/her? Really, how about a little fairness, huh?

Bush asked for the UN to help for over 6 months. They weren't going to help, so we took it upon ourselves to help close a potential national security threat and liberate a group of oppressed peoples. The UN was acting childish and swaying to political pressure when it made it's decision.

Why shouldn't we treat the UN like a child? We do provide well over half the resources that maintain it and house its HQ. Sounds like we feed it, house it, and cloth it. Kinda sounds like a kid, huh? Until the other 191 nations contribute equal amounts to that of the US, then they should have very little say in what the US does with their troops. It is our child, and we should not have to confer with it every time we feel there is a threat to national security.

As for Bush being dumb, it is reported that Bush outscored Clinton on the SAT's. And you know, if Bush is a moron, that would have made Clinton a retard.

Like that line of reasoning? Didn't think so. So don't go around questioning our President's intelligence. It just might show your own lack thereof. ;-)
This was me changing a few words of what someone else said about Kerry. If you read the whole thread, there has been a whole lot of this back and forth, so don't point at me on this one.

You mentioned voting. You don't sound old enough to vote. Too...full of energy, like you haven't hit the pubes yet. Also the way you mention "my dad" this and "my dad" that, you sound like a pre-teen.

What an unfair and udderly rude remark! Just because American Republic mentions his dad does not say anything about his sexual maturity.

Can we get a mod in here?

kerry had better NOT win tonight,
he is a liberal who has nothing but the interests of himself in mind.
HE WILL SCREW US ALL! :mad:

What an unfair and udderly rude remark! Just because American Republic mentions his dad does not say anything about his sexual maturity.

Can we get a mod in here?


Shut up ya baby

Maybe his test was checked in Florida, where it underwent massive re-checks until he won? Oh wait...

There was a song put out by the Eagles back in 1994 that perhaps you should listen to.

It's called "Get Over It".

If people aren't smart enough to read the directions and vote properly, then chances are they shouldn't trust themselves with a pencil. ;-)

What an unfair and udderly rude remark! Just because American Republic mentions his dad does not say anything about his sexual maturity.

Can we get a mod in here?
I'm sorry, your right, I deleted my post.

If people aren't smart enough to read the directions and vote properly, then chances are they shouldn't trust themselves with a pencil. ;-)



Or maybe if Florida would make thier election booths easier to understand...but hey, lets blame it on the people and overlook the fact a Bush is running it all down there

HAHA!! UN Did nothing in Bosnia, UN did nothing in other areas either. UN did nothing about the suffering of Iraq.

Also. you said you have family over in Iraq. My dad is going back to Iraq. I voted for Bush because I trust him on National Security and I believe he'll be a much better Commander in Chief than John F Kerry. If Kerry is elected, I fear for our military men and women.

My dad also did Bosnia under Clinton. That is about as far as to liking Clinton I can get after how he handled Somalia which pissed off the military personnel.

Now back to the UN! Look at all the world conflicts! Outside of Korea and Gulf War I, what exactly have they done? Name one conflict they prevented!
Diplomatic intervention has prevented wars, but the instances were difficult to use as propaganda for either side because they are virtually impossible to discern from the reactionist paranoia that always corrupts everything that has anything to do with American support.

And, also, maybe you didn't catch the second part of my post-- they are not fighting in Iraq, I want the soldiers to get out so that the civilian casualties don't rise and put Ramin and Basma at risk. The Al-Hassounis mind their own business.

Shut up ya baby

What an udderly rediculous remark.

I will not shut up. It is my right as a United States Citizen to voice my opinion.

You know it's really sad to see that you cannot come up with anything better than that.

Thats what worries me...I would feel safer if Kerry was in office.
Indeed.

What an udderly rediculous remark.

I will not shut up. It is my right as a United States Citizen to voice my opinion.

You know it's really sad to see that you cannot come up with anything better than that.



Too bad this forum isn't based in america...

I'm sorry, your right, I deleted my post.

Thank you Yevon of Spira.

You still had a valid arguement, so don't stop yet. :-D

What an unfair and udderly rude remark! Just because American Republic mentions his dad does not say anything about his sexual maturity.

Can we get a mod in here?

You know (and this is a general statement about trends I have seen here, not a specific comment about a specific person.) the only people I ever see whining about flaming (usually incorrectly too, calling Bush a giant douche is not flaming,) are hard core Bush backers (which excludes moderate and rational Conservatives and Republicans, even if they happen to support Bush.)

Yes we liberals are constantly attacked as being the whiners. I see their attempts as more of a way of manipulating the rules, rather than any justified indignation.

If you feel this does not apply to you, it probably doesn't.

That is total lawyers, and it is very close to a 50/50 lawyer split so don't even try to put your own spin on it.

Isn't that that exactly what I said? Oh my bad I said that 10,000 was not the total... how is that spin? Kerry's campaign manager has put forth that number.

New Frussia, Weitzel, drop it, I admited I was wrong, this doesn't need to go on, lets go back to the topic.

Your right Yevon. I'll apologize.

Diplomatic intervention has prevented wars, but the instances were difficult to use as propaganda for either side because they are virtually impossible to discern from the reactionist paranoia that always corrupts everything that has anything to do with American support.

And we've prevented wars without the UN in the past. Now answer my question. Name one war the UN Prevented! Name one Conflict they prevented. Name one Genocide they prevented.

And, also, maybe you didn't catch the second part of my post-- they are not fighting in Iraq, I want the soldiers to get out so that the civilian casualties don't rise and put Ramin and Basma at risk. The Al-Hassounis mind their own business.

And yet, the Terrorists have been killing civilians too. Do you condemn them and do you want them to stop? You do know that the terrorists don't want democracy in Iraq right? They'll do anything to derail it but the terrorists won't succeed in this matter.

HAHA!! UN Did nothing in Bosnia, UN did nothing in other areas either. UN did nothing about the suffering of Iraq.

Also. you said you have family over in Iraq. My dad is going back to Iraq. I voted for Bush because I trust him on National Security and I believe he'll be a much better Commander in Chief than John F Kerry. If Kerry is elected, I fear for our military men and women.

My dad also did Bosnia under Clinton. That is about as far as to liking Clinton I can get after how he handled Somalia which pissed off the military personnel.

Now back to the UN! Look at all the world conflicts! Outside of Korea and Gulf War I, what exactly have they done? Name one conflict they prevented!

Add Rwanda and Sudan to that long list.

American Republic. I am sorry if you get angry at this...but...We(as in the American Colonists during the Rev. War)were also considered terrorists who did not want a form of government at which was considered "right" at the time. I am in no way saying the terrorists are in anyway justified..but...ya know..

Too bad this forum isn't based in america...

Do I care? No. Why? Because my country is a superpower. Around the world we are renouned for our freedoms and economic strength. We are hated for this same reason.

I voice my opinion about my government because I live in a society where many men and women have sacrificed to make it possible. It is my God given right, along with any other person on this Earth, to make their own path and decisions. This is the right of Man.

And that is the best you can come up with yet? Keep trying... ;-)

HAHA!! UN Did nothing in Bosnia, UN did nothing in other areas either. UN did nothing about the suffering of Iraq.

Also. you said you have family over in Iraq. My dad is going back to Iraq. I voted for Bush because I trust him on National Security and I believe he'll be a much better Commander in Chief than John F Kerry. If Kerry is elected, I fear for our military men and women.

My dad also did Bosnia under Clinton. That is about as far as to liking Clinton I can get after how he handled Somalia which pissed off the military personnel.

Now back to the UN! Look at all the world conflicts! Outside of Korea and Gulf War I, what exactly have they done? Name one conflict they prevented!

Yeah... right... the only problem is that when the UN condones missions, usually the troops operate under another countries flag instead of the UN one. There are plenty of examples, the most important being the FIRST IRAQ WAR. Oh, you thought that was a U.S. thing. Your bad.

If you want pure, UN war prevention thingys off the top off my head I have:

Sierra Lione, 1200 troops implemented peace agreement 1999
Liberia, 5000 troops, assisted transistional government 2003
Democratic Congo, 1100 troops to instate cease fire 1999
Ethiopia, 4300 troops to monitor the border there 2000
Western Sahara, territory referendum 1991
East Timor, 4000 peace keeping/ administation forces (many others operate under the australian flag) 1999
India/Pakistan observing the ceasefire 1949
Kosovo, 5000 troops to administer civil relief 1999
Georgia, cease fire 1993
Lebanon, 2000+ troops to manage border 1978
Cyprus, 1500 troops, cease fire 1964
Syria, 1500 troops, cease fire 1974

remember, these are just pure UN troop missions. most missions (and the majority of the bigger campaigns) trace right back to the UN, but the UN doesn't get the credit.
The UN is the glue that holds peace together. So get informed. It aint perfect, but it's what we got so quit yer bitchen.

Do I care? No. Why? Because my country is a superpower. Around the world we are renouned for our freedoms and economic strength. We are hated for this same reason.

I voice my opinion about my government because I live in a society where many men and women have sacrificed to make it possible. It is my God given right, along with any other person on this Earth, to make their own path and decisions. This is the right of Man.

And that is the best you can come up with yet? Keep trying... ;-)


Might I point to my other post..?

American Republic. I am sorry if you get angry at this...but...We(as in the American Colonists during the Rev. War)were also considered terrorists who did not want a form of government at which was considered "right" at the time. I am in no way saying the terrorists are in anyway justified..but...ya know..

Really show me the quotes saying we were terrorists.... Our government also reflected the government in Britain with a few changes. So we did have the right government at that time. Also we were supported in G.B. I don't know of many people outside of the Middle East that support the insurgency.

Corporate collapse after Kerry tragedy
:p That's awesome

American Republic. I am sorry if you get angry at this...but...We(as in the American Colonists during the Rev. War)were also considered terrorists who did not want a form of government at which was considered "right" at the time. I am in no way saying the terrorists are in anyway justified..but...ya know..

And we also felt that King George the Third was a tyrant who tried to keep us colonists down with oppressive taxes. Did you know that when we raised our Colonial Army, we also sent the Olive Branch Petition to King George the Third? We didn't want to split from Britain but we were forced to because of Mad King George.

Really show me the quotes saying we were terrorists.... Our government also reflected the government in Britain with a few changes. So we did have the right government at that time. Also we were supported in G.B. I don't know of many people outside of the Middle East that support the insurgency.



South African arabs, Libyan extremists, British and American Iraqis(not all, but some)


Also, terrorists think of us as tyrants right now.

And we've prevented wars without the UN in the past. Now answer my question. Name one war the UN Prevented! Name one Conflict they prevented. Name one Genocide they prevented.



And yet, the Terrorists have been killing civilians too. Do you condemn them and do you want them to stop? You do know that the terrorists don't want democracy in Iraq right? They'll do anything to derail it but the terrorists won't succeed in this matter.
I can't name wars that never happened. But do you know how things used to be? Empire. A collective hegemony prevents an individual hegemony. And, BTW, the UN inspections could have prevented the war if only we had listened. Also, the US has terrorists too. And our terrorists have killed more innocents than their terrorists.

All this hullaballoo over a thread that started off as a joke.

Over 230 replies, some of them not so nice, over a joke thread.

Can anyone not see the humor in this situation? :confused:

Am I the only one who saw the thread as a joke.

Honestly some people are way too anal about politics.

LAUGH PEOPLE! JUST LAUGH IT OFF AND MOVE ON!

All this hullaballoo over a thread that started off as a joke.

Over 230 replies, some of them not so nice, over a joke thread.

Can anyone not see the humor in this situation? :confused:

Am I the only one who saw the thread as a joke.

Honestly some people are way too anal about politics.

LAUGH PEOPLE! JUST LAUGH IT OFF AND MOVE ON!



Actually I can....and your right. C'mere all you bush lovers...gimmie a hug!

Yeah... right... the only problem is that when the UN condones missions, usually the troops operate under another countries flag instead of the UN one. There are plenty of examples, the most important being the FIRST IRAQ WAR. Oh, you thought that was a U.S. thing. Your bad.

I do know that the 1st Gulf War was a UN mission! The UN Basically declared war on Iraq. To bad it wasn't smart enough to kick him out of power then but that is a different story.

If you want pure, UN war prevention thingys off the top off my head I have:

Sierra Lione, 1200 troops implemented peace agreement 1999
Liberia, 5000 troops, assisted transistional government 2003
Democratic Congo, 1100 troops to instate cease fire 1999
Ethiopia, 4300 troops to monitor the border there 2000
Western Sahara, territory referendum 1991
East Timor, 4000 peace keeping/ administation forces (many others operate under the australian flag) 1999
India/Pakistan observing the ceasefire 1949
Kosovo, 5000 troops to administer civil relief 1999
Georgia, cease fire 1993
Lebanon, 2000+ troops to manage border 1978
Cyprus, 1500 troops, cease fire 1964
Syria, 1500 troops, cease fire 1974

Take a look at this list again! How many of these operations have failed? Congo is still in Civil War. India and Pakistan are doing things themselves, Kosovo is still a hotbed.

remember, these are just pure UN troop missions. most missions (and the majority of the bigger campaigns) trace right back to the UN, but the UN doesn't get the credit.

This is true however, the UN has shown itself to be weak and indecisive as well as ineffective most of the time too.

The UN is the glue that holds peace together. So get informed. It aint perfect, but it's what we got so quit yer bitchen.

Your right! The UN isn't perfect but it is just as ineffective as the LoN! It can't do anything unless the nations cooperate and even then that is rare. The SCUN can pass all the resolutions they want but they have no means to enforce them. It is up to individual nations to enforce them and look how that turned out in regard with Iraq?

I can't name wars that never happened. But do you know how things used to be? Empire. A collective hegemony prevents an individual hegemony. And, BTW, the UN inspections could have prevented the war if only we had listened. Also, the US has terrorists too. And our terrorists have killed more innocents than their terrorists.

How can they do their job if Saddam Hussein stonewalling every step of the way? Yea that's right! He stone walled the process more times than not. He let them investigate spots but he wanted to know where they are going even though they are supposed to be spot inspections.

And we also felt that King George the Third was a tyrant who tried to keep us colonists down with oppressive taxes. Did you know that when we raised our Colonial Army, we also sent the Olive Branch Petition to King George the Third? We didn't want to split from Britain but we were forced to because of Mad King George.
yeah, kinda reminds me of mad kin..I mean President George right now.

Actually I can....and your right. C'mere all you bush lovers...gimmie a hug!
Yeah... I'll hug your elephant if you kiss my ass...(love that T)

Yeah... I'll hug your elephant if you kiss my ass...(love that T)


....I'm a Kerry lover...