NationStates Jolt Archive

The gap is now at 600. We need another major region leader to vote against it.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

have we asked the other pacifics?

I'll vote against it (only 1 vote, but they all help).

Our nation has voted against this proposal. Wont mention the laready mentioned points of why this is a bad proposal but will add onto on point that some overlooked. Hopefully the heirarchy of the UN will see the error of their ways for letting this resolution even get to the floor for voting.

If said proposal is passed, then life "human or otherwise" will have total equal rights. Ok, fellow members have pointed out vegetables and plants, virus, and bacteria. If passed then any nation violating these rules will be ejected from the UN. Ok, it gets passed, the UN will be no more. No, this isnt a terrorist threat but realization of what this porposal means because IF passed, then every sitting member, no matter how long they've been a member, will be ejected.

Why? Easy..

Fire. Fire is alive per scientific defination of 'being alive'.

-It is born : a spark on tinder makes a flame
-It grows : a small fire speards and becomes larger. Size depends on available material for it to ignite.
-It consumes : fire needs oxygen. It consumes oxygen akin to an American eating fast food..quickly and wanting more.
-It reproduces : fires can and do create smaller fires that can and do grow and creat smaller fires of their own. Ask the people of California.
-It dies : as all living things, it dies.

Now, if passed, this porposal (gag) will mean that every sitting member will have to abolish every fire extinguisher and fire department in it's country and/or region.

So basically, everyone gets ejected, the UN collapses and is no more. I say that the country that proposed this "idea of equal rights for ALL" be brought before the World Courts League and the UN Security Council and asked about their intentions AFTER removing the offensive, almost terroristic proposal.

Also..dont people use fire to cook? If so, then by the points of this resoultion, if the fire is not given equal monetary compensation for services redndered, then the act of cooking with fire falls under the 'slave labor' portion of the resoultion..ergo..you use fire to cook, dont let the UN dorrs hit you in the rear.

Obviuosly this was intended to be worded as it is so that it would bring the collapse of the UN, why else would they put in "or otherwise" and the harsh measures for no following it?

Also..my daughter said the other night a phrase that made me smile...

"Daddy..animals have rights....and lefts too!"

I'm asking the last pacific, Norion. I hope he sides with us. The 510 endorsements will be helpful.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

This has probably been covered, but this would give virii rights, too, as living things. Bacteria. Friggin' anthrax and ebola and HIV. Silliness.

Greetings:

Considering that most of those posting here are of the same mind regarding this resolution, may I make a suggestion? As various states (and Letila should be given special mention and praise in this regard) have been sending telegrams to various delegates and nations to get votes changed, a listing may be in order. As there are still many delegates with a "for" vote listed, it makes sense to wager that some have already been telegramed. As such, if those who have been sending telegrams could perhaps list some of the nations they have written to (that have not changed their vote), the rest of us will know that we should concentrate on the other delegates. Just a thought. Thank you, and good luck. EFA delenda est nobis.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

*Sigh*

Another well meaning resolution lost to poor wording. I really hope this doesn't pass.

I've been targeting all the ones with more than 10 endorsements as well as any new voters who voted for the resolution. The gap is now at 553.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

The Free Land of Askalaria originally passed over this resolution for approval for the reasons cited herein. After a telegram conversation with the resolution's creator, however, we were convinced of the intent of this resolution and approved it and later supported it's passing. For the record, the people of Askalaria are not vegetarian, although they are against such examples covered under the resolution as slavery and the death penalty, and we were assured this was okay. However, upon careful consideration, we have decided that we would rather not have the resolution passed at all than have it passed improperly.

Our vote has been reversed. Though that is only four votes, the resolution is neck-and-neck, and every little bit helps - this will narrow the gap by 8, (four less votes for, four more votes against) which is more than 1% of the gap.

We do not, however, appreciate being called "idiots" for supporting a resolution that was clearly never intended to bring about mass starvation. After all, how would we be respecting the right to life if we allowed it to starve to death? The starvation argument is therefore entirely invalid.

The Commonwealth of Cowes has made sure to telegram large and small delegates, as we have no way of knowing when a delegate might have friends in high places. Of course, it's most effective to leave requests to tell others about the flaws of this silly resolution.

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

The gap is 310! I don't have much to post, but it's good news.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

Greetings:

Considering that most of those posting here are of the same mind regarding this resolution, may I make a suggestion? As various states (and Letila should be given special mention and praise in this regard) have been sending telegrams to various delegates and nations to get votes changed, a listing may be in order. As there are still many delegates with a "for" vote listed, it makes sense to wager that some have already been telegramed. As such, if those who have been sending telegrams could perhaps list some of the nations they have written to (that have not changed their vote), the rest of us will know that we should concentrate on the other delegates. Just a thought. Thank you, and good luck. EFA delenda est nobis.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

In that case, only TG those who are at the bottom of the list (the most recent votes)

I've been targeting all the ones with more than 10 endorsements as well as any new voters who voted for the resolution. The gap is now at 553.


I sent a message to the following regional delegates who have voted in favour of the proposal (votes in brackets):

Easternmost Wasteland (34)
UmbrellaCorp (10)
Chris330 (24)
Hurdegaryp (24)
Arnarchotopia (27)
Rose Lokia (10)
Xoolsville (14)
Abu Saif (10)
Dracovania (17)
Free Outer Eugenia (33)
Boischatel (19)

That's 222 votes in all - which can make a difference of 444 if they change their minds.

It seems that there are more delegates who have voted against this resolution, and many more single vote voters who have voted for the proposal.

Perhaps we should start bringing this to the attention of the people in our respective regions?

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

A nation with a lot of endorsements could really pull us ahead. I hope Norion opposes it.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

when will these insane proposals end first they want to end all industry by any nutty leftwing pot head state being able to decare any industry as in a "world heritige zone", now we wont be able to eat meat or for that matter a salad . why do we gve these people the time of day? Is ere no way of somehow killing these proposals before they come before this assembly

The gap is now down to 286.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

284

I've been targeting all the ones with more than 10 endorsements as well as any new voters who voted for the resolution. The gap is now at 553.


I sent a message to the following regional delegates who have voted in favour of the proposal (votes in brackets):

Easternmost Wasteland (34)
UmbrellaCorp (10)
Chris330 (24)
Hurdegaryp (24)
Arnarchotopia (27)
Rose Lokia (10)
Xoolsville (14)
Abu Saif (10)
Dracovania (17)
Free Outer Eugenia (33)
Boischatel (19)

That's 222 votes in all - which can make a difference of 444 if they change their minds.

Hurdegaryp and UmbrellaCorp have reversed their votes. That's 34 switched from Yes to No.

We are getting closer. I suspect that we will get more when they read their telegrams.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

I think that the public is beginning to see the light.

this is the closest resolution vote i have ever seen

The yes vote has stalled, but I'd like to see it reversed. All the latest delegate votes are against.

It's going to be close.

Last tally I saw was 5966 for and 5699 against. Wow!

Thought this was worth noting-

Votes For: 5966

Votes Against: 5699

...because the numbers are just inverted.

It might not be very close at all. We have until Wednesday to vote, and at this rate, it'll be a blow-out

Frank Linndemann, UN Ambassador
-The Commonwealth of Cowes

We must rally and defeat this proposal from United Middle Earth! The problem with this is that is really doesn't express equality! The fact is you can't! Someone is always going to be smarter than somebody else and the only way you could stop that would be some genetic programming... which is next week's issue. As long as people strive harder for something than others, then there will not be equality. Face it, not everyone can be a rocket scientist! :wink:

The gap is now 264! We are really catching up.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

The gap's back up to 308. We're going to starve. Don't worry, though, as vassfforcia will be destroyed for their crime after the resolution passes.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

Instead of being so hostile so quickly, how 'bout a polite letter explaining why the resolution is a bad idea?

I'm pretty sure we'll blow it down

Because I'm angry. That's why.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

I consider starvation harm - therefore within the wording of the proposal I consider little wooly lambs not allowing me to eat them as causing harm - same goes for those sneaky potatoes...

:)

sophists-r-us
Sara
Grand Duchess of Zen

The gap is widening in their favor.

Effective immediately, the Community of Fort Maine has withdrawn from the UN.

The gap is now at 277.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

I agree. I know i don't want mosquitos, chickens or the occasional spider to have the same rights under law as me. For me to vote for this piece of legislation somebody better act quickly and make a few amendments to leave out non sentient beings

Something to ponder....

every coin has two sides..

..Pro has Con

...Yes has No

..in the Cold War, there was NATO and The Warsaw Pact

..now there is the UN..yet no one else.

If this proposal passes, and we get booted, why not create something like The Alliance of Federated Nations?

Simpy put, if passed, and Necrotasia gets booted, we will boycot every and all nations that voted for said proposal.


(OOC) Well, another UN-type group *would* add a new aspect to NS. ;)

Another stupid attempt by stupid people :evil: Why the hell do people vote for these things? Obviously, they dont take the time to read them carefully.

People vote for these things because:
1. If every resolution had to be logical, sensible, morally supportable, financially viable, technically possible, gramatically correct and unanimous - there would be no resolutions.
2. The longer the resolution - the more likely it is that someone will object on some point.
3. Some nations may actually wish to vote for some of these more ludicrous resolutions for the heck of it.
4. Some nations may wish to vote for some of these REALLY stupid and impossible to enforce resolutions (how would you enforce animals not eating other plants or animals?) to perhaps unerline the un-noticed stupidity of some of the other resolutions which come up.
5. It's only a game and it will have no significant or lasting effect beyond the category markings (and as I personally already have a national tax rate of 100%, even that becomes irrelevant).

Stop and breathe for a moment - there, doesn't that feel better...

cheers

Sara
Grand Duchess of Zen
UN Delegate for Gothau
Est. 21 Nov 2002

"Instead of being so hostile so quickly, how 'bout a polite letter explaining why the resolution is a bad idea?"

Like this?

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Greetings fellow UN member!

I noticed you have voted in favor of the UN Resolution "Equality For All: A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights." At first glance, it seems like a helpful Human rights resolution. My friend, I must tell you it is not!

Look carefully at the wording of the laws that would be enacted under this Resolution:

"-All living beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence."

This is not limited to Human beings, but to EVERY living thing, including plants, animals, and any other source of food for human beings. If this law were inacted, your people have no choice but to starve to death, or risk harming a living thing. If your country has laws concerning abortion or capital punishment, this resolution would ban it outright. Worst of all, it prohibits doctors from perscribing antibiotics to kill living bacteria, so people with easily-curable diseases would be forced to allow the harmful organisms to fester inside themselves.

The resolution continues:
"That they may live as they see fit as long as they do not cause harm to another. In simpler terms "Live and let live." If a nation employs slaves for labor for example, we submit that they must end the practice or leave the UN voluntarily."

"Live and let live" is particularly vicious in this context. To quote the leader of The 510 Techcropolis:

"In addition to the inability to use antibiotics and other serious issues generated by the wording, there is a very sinister clause that is being overlooked (above). This single sentance voids thousands of laws and legal regulations world wide. If a person drives 70 mph infront of a school (until they hit a child), or does not see it fitting that they pay any taxes, or manufactures explosives and leaves them where children or criminals can get them, then they will have done nothing that the government can find fault with, according to this resolution."

Look at what this resolution says as opposed to what it really means. The premise for "Equality For All" is a fallacy. It is worded in such a way as to deny people the most basic Human right: Life. Please reconsider your vote in favor of this resolution.
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Apologies to everyone who's already seen this in other threads. I'm starting to get sick of it myself. I'm just trying to make a point that many of us are, in fact, trying to be polite about the whole thing.

===+Ashley Henson, monarch of The Most Serene Republic of Sarcastic Muppet+===

We aren't worried too much, though we wish people would be smarter. I'll just make a "legalize food" resolution and replace "Just say no to EFA. Even plants will be off-limits" with "Our butts are shrinking! Make food legal".

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

bumpy

I really hope this gets voted down. It is looking like a close race. But I haven't seen one shot down yet

258 and closing

We are getting closer. The gap is now 258.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

bump

haha, i just got into the UN just to vote no on this, it doesnt effect me but I'm trying to slap logic into people

heh did anyone telegram the thirty endorsement delgate that just supported this like 20 minutes ago?

gap is 105, ppl are listening....

Good, HN. We need as much help as we can get.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

I'm messaging a handful now, I'm going to ask their reasons for supporting it and send them the link to this topic

I'm lobbying as many delegates as I can. I sent messages to Umbrella Corp and Hagge and I hope I'm what got them to switch, this is my basic message. It includes the last delegate I sent a message to.

From Joseph Cortilliari,Secretary of State Federal Republic of New York and New Jersey
To Diplomatic Offices of The Republic of Canela:

Why vote yes on the Equality issue? The issue itself is horribly written and frankly amounts to enforcing everyone to a vegan lifestyle and says that we can not use antibiotics to kill viruses and bacteria of course this is reading it on the literal level, if this law were written better and outlined just what kind of lifeforms would be protected we would vote infavor. However it doesnt, and it has now become our mission to attempt to reverse this from becoming a law that gets passed to one that is rejected for the horrible motion that it is.

I have read this resolution and a lot (not all) the post on this thread. It strikes me as a little strange that everyone here has jumped on the idea of starvation and total rights, but noone mentioned the other thing wrong with this proposal. It is also an attempt to totally legalize homosexuality, beastiality, or whatever other kind of twisted sexual preference a person whiches to claim. So I guess the author is looking to make it so you can't possibly survive (by not eating anything to sustain life) but while you are dying you can have sex with whatever you wish.

My vote is obviously NO.

Can I cop that to help? I'll change my title of course...

I ment copy

Oh no! If this resolution passes Hebrew National won't be able to make it's delicious kosher Hebrew National All-Beef Hotdogs(c)!!!

We anser to higher authorities...

If you wish to I'd be honored. 89 vote gap now.

I have read this resolution and a lot (not all) the post on this thread. It strikes me as a little strange that everyone here has jumped on the idea of starvation and total rights, but noone mentioned the other thing wrong with this proposal. It is also an attempt to totally legalize homosexuality, beastiality, or whatever other kind of twisted sexual preference a person whiches to claim. So I guess the author is looking to make it so you can't possibly survive (by not eating anything to sustain life) but while you are dying you can have sex with whatever you wish.

My vote is obviously NO.

I see what you mean. The proposal would not treat people of different religions equally because the proposal itself becomes a paradox. How can say, the Roman Catholic Church treat the Church of Dead Animal Lovers as equals is their religious ideals conflict?

Ok, so besides starving, etc..we also now have religious persecution.

There's a point to inform the people voting Yes on this. Their religion (if any) is now in question.

Lets keep up the work. Were down to only 60 votes seperating us and them. We can get this turned down!

They appear to be endorsing each other to increase their power.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

saul 2 paul i mentioned this before: It legalizes pedaphilia, rape, homesexuality, public sex, and necrophilia
Not exceptable

They appear to be endorsing each other to increase their power.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."We have 3 days and a gap of less than 100 votes. We can still win.

Well, the gap right now is 95.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

speaking up keeping up the good work...

bump

99 gap

oh poop! how is it rising!?!

As a voice of decent that in substance agrees with the idea behind the resolution, I add my voice in the cry to defeat this proposal. I have cited (in two other threads) a descrepency with this proposal and a past resolution on a technicality that, I believe, we as UN nations must be beholden to unto ourselves.

Furthermore, the issues in this proposal have already been established in previous resolutions. Voting for this proposal is a vote of redundancy, a vote that says that resolutions are meaningless, that the UN has no memory, no power, no signifigance and the UN members itself have no agency. We can defeat this proposal and make UN history.

If you are for human rights then support the agency of the UN by defeating this proposal, usher in a new age of UN relevance and real politic!

Take back the UN!
(please see related threads)

They are endorsing each other.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

I just voted NO for this silly proposal. Frankly, if it passes, everyone who is against it should submit a proposal to get rid of it, and if that is not allowed or does not win, then just leave the UN. Let's face it... the UN is nothing special. For every nation in it, there are two or three who aren't.

I know this is my last straw. If this vote goes through, to blazes with the UN. It's much easier to forget it than change it at this point.

Excellent work people! I've been messaging like mad along with you and our efforts are showing, less than an 80 vote gap I believe


KEEP IT UP!

ok, I've checked the past proposals and basicly about 90% of them passed cuz ppl say "yes" blindly

if we make a counter proposal ppl will say yes and fall into our "trap of common sence"

go me

Edited...nvm:D

Hail the Karnov Furher!

Reposted from the Haven Regional Board:

Okay, I have gotten a lot of telegrams on the current resolution over one line:

"-All living beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence."

People have said that this will stop you from eating any organic materials, but this is NOT true. A being is a creature with a personality. This would just stop meat-eating, not eating of all organic materials.

Also, UN resoulutions are just an IC thing, per se. The actual effect they have on your country is determined by the Category and the Strength. So, this will do nothing except make the human rights in your country strongly increase.

The gap is 75.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

I would like to see responses to my arguements.

what arguements?

In my post above.

progress check, how many of us are messaging?

votes for: 6071
votes against: 5997

If one more person telegrams me on this proposal I will scream. I hate getting telegrams just because I am a delegate. My regionmembers, I'm okay with it. People I have never even heard of... :evil:

alright, I dont think my nation should be forced to not eat meat. Also these resolutions, if you look at them the way you did, have absolutly no effect at all

They just got a huge boost.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

how? where did this boost come from?

Exactly... all this will do is raise the civil rights meter in your country.

And as for not eating meat, why eat meat?

Reposted from the Haven Regional Board:

Okay, I have gotten a lot of telegrams on the current resolution over one line:

"-All living beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence."

People have said that this will stop you from eating any organic materials, but this is NOT true. A being is a creature with a personality. This would just stop meat-eating, not eating of all organic materials.

Also, UN resoulutions are just an IC thing, per se. The actual effect they have on your country is determined by the Category and the Strength. So, this will do nothing except make the human rights in your country strongly increase.

By accepting the "catagory/effect" interpretation of UN resolutions we are reducing the UN to a body that simply puts cherries in bottles of cherries. We must take it upon ourselves to look upon the text and intent of the resolutions and make our decisions based on what we see there. We must take into regard the resolutions that have passed before us. If we do not do this than the resolutions are nothing more than Blah Blah, Description:Blah blah blah. Add a check to my name teacher, I was in class but did not pay attention.

These issues have been resolved. This proposal is a vague redundancy that mocks the UN and it's potential relevance. Defeating this proposal creates a sense of agency in the UN's member states. Furthermore, it violates an early resolution (245A-see debates on enterpretation in related threads)

Take back the UN!
(please see related threads)

This observation has probably already been made, but I'm not reading through 17 pages to check, so here it is (again?):

Good luck trying to get a cat to respect a mouse's inherent right to life.

are you saying relish doesnt have personality?

it's a very humorous topping, you should get to know it better

anyhoot, i've been talking to all my favorite organic hotdog toppings and they say that your crazy and that they want this proposal abolished

I eat meat because i like it, also if we arent supposed to eat meat why do we have 4 pointy teeth that only have one purpose, to eat meat. Are you saying wolves deserve the right to eat meat and we dont?

I just can't do it. We can't get within 50 votes of them. I can't believe how many people support this proposal. It will be the death of us.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

you definition of being is totally screwed

Being: To exist in actuality; have life or reality: I think, therefore I am.

a being is anything that exists in this world and contains life

don't be talkin fluff...

don't give up letila, your sending messages that they simply havent recieved yet, i expect a large jump by tomarrow

my AIM is WillSecor
contact me to keep me updated please

We now have around two days to change this. I think it's possible given the progress we made today. 1500 closing to 150 is not bad.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

Hebrew National, condiments do not have a personality. No brain, no personality. Also:

Being:
3 : a living thing; especially : PERSON

Person:

1 : HUMAN, INDIVIDUAL -- sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes <chairperson> <spokesperson

Individual

4 : having marked individuality <an individual style

Individuality

1 a : total character peculiar to and distinguishing an individual from others b : PERSONALITY

All from merriamwebster.com

You also have to look at the connotations associated with a word. When someone says "being" you do not think of a piece of celery, do you now?

we need to convence the big guns who have supported it, to change their votes. They got 30 somethin supporter and a 60 somethin supporter, if we can change those two around we got the lead

I see no one can tell me how a wolf has more right to eat meat that a human.

Humans are omnivores, they can eat either plants or meat. Wolves are carnivores, they can only eat meat.

I would like to see responses to my arguements.
I have made a few. Have you responses for me?

this proposal bans meat eating, and i ask why does the wolf have the right to eat eat it but my people dont. You didnt answer that

So we should be forced to be vegans? That will work wonders for "Human Rights".

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They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

The only direct responses to my arguements have come from Hebrew National and Heathvilla.

And Hebrew National, I did:

Humans are omnivores, they can eat either plants or meat. Wolves are carnivores, they can only eat meat.

Letila, tell me: Why should we not be vegan? Vegan diets are healthier, if you are looking for a purely pragmatic reason.

so just because that is all they eat, doesnt mean they have more right to eat it than me. You get certain nutrients from meat that dont come easily from plants

Three words: Soy and Supplements. A wolf cannot survive without meat. You can.

vegan diet shouldnt be forced though, just like vegans wouldnt want us to force meat eating on them. How is that fair?

Forcing your diet on us is wrong.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

If you don't like it, then leave the UN.

I am gonna force meat eating in my country, just to make them suffer as the UN is trying to make all meat eating people suffer. And I will leave if this bullcrap passes as i have said multiple times before in this topic thread. Why dont we just ban all eating and make people survive of vitimans and injections how bout we do that then. Nothing this big should be forced ever.

Suggestion... rather than trying to sway me with your arguments of starvation - you should perhaps have suggested I read the resolutions' author's opinion of what they meant.

I will be changing my vote because I don't believe it is up to the UN to dictate the sexual ethics of my country.

The previous intepretation (that the UN would ban eating as animals and vegetables are all life forms, and the use of medicines which may affect bacteria and virii) was too ludicrous to take seriously - and therefore something we deserved if it got endorsed in the first place.

The other intepretation is 'valid' and far scarier as someone may take it seriously.

cheers
Sara
Grand Duchess of Zen

bump

That is not fair. If we are forced to leave, we ought to form our own organization.

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They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

It also makes classifying sexual preference illegal, which would include pedophilia and necrophilia. I think that is wrong

Yes, just as courts look to The Federalist Papers to determine the meanings of the U.S. Constitution, look to the 'UNDERSTANDING: Equality For All' thread to find the author's opinion of the meaning of his/her words.

no one as yet made an attempt to justify pedofilia and necrofilia. if i cant classify them then i cant punish people for it

The gap is a 56.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

The only direct responses to my arguements have come from Hebrew National and Heathvilla.

And Hebrew National, I did:

Humans are omnivores, they can eat either plants or meat. Wolves are carnivores, they can only eat meat.
Are you kidding me? I've been chasing you back and forth on threads. Both contain direct address.

And it is just the classification of sexual preference.

A law that says:

"All acts of pedophilia are hereby banned from this nation"

would simply have to be replaced by "All sexual acts with minors are hereby banned from this nation.

Does that make sense though to ban such words when in theory we are still going to use them, just in a new form. Also you never really justified how it was proper for the UN to force an eating style, you just said leave if you dont like it. Which leads me to believe you dont have a good response

You will lose if we get a big nation to vote against you. The gap is too small. I suggest you stop trying to control our diets.

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They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

We understand your confusion, and to clarify, the languge need not be changed. For the simplicity of the original wording is exactly what you want it to say. The key word is BEINGS. The choice of that word is not accidental, it was used after I researched the many definitions of the word and the following best commutes that meaning:

Being (Be"ing), n.
2. That which exists in any form, whether it be corporeal or spiritual, actual or ideal that understands and has a sense of "being v." acknowledges its existence and that of others; living existence, as distinguished from a thing without life; as, a human being; spiritual beings.
2a.Sentient

I believe also that the meaning of harm is simple. Every nation has it's own moral beliefs and if sex in the streets is not harming anyone then so it may be. However, if your government is ruled by a religous leader or follow a religous doctrine, well then sex in the streets may be viewed as someone infringing on the rights of those who do not wish to see that sort of thing and can be viewed as harmful to them. Such things are up to the individual government. Harm is again a word that was researched and the following definition was common from many different sources.

Harm (härm), n.
1. any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.
5. mental destress with measurable results such as psychological and or physical apparitions.

Yes you understand it correctly. :)

Again, the definition was explained above, and unless the nation is inhabited by or ruled by a species that is sentient (ie., talking cows, bats, or insert creature here) then I don't see how animal rights activists can use this proposal for meat consumption bannining. In fact I personally find animal activists to be hypocrites in the sense that they ask to ban meat eating but some species are carnivorous by NATURE, and is needed for their survival including most animals, and being that sentient species such as the human race for example, are technically animals... then they must respect that fact of NATURE. Human beings are also not by nature canibals, although some societies live and thrive as such so the killing of their own species is immoral, but that is not what I should be getting into.

As to the second part of your question, this cannot be used to abolish or outlaw abortion. For one thing it is not proven scientifically when the fetus gains the conciousness needed to be considered a sentient being, and although it is a lifeforce, it's a lifeforce created by the mother and father, and as such can be reabsorbed into the maternal lifeforce, in fact all life can be said to return or be absorbed into the metaphysical cycle. Therefore again the answer to your question is no.

I hope to have answered all your questions in a courteous manner. Feel free to contact me directly if you wish me to address any other concerns.

This is a direct quote from the thread that the person who proposed the resolution started. According to him/her, this in fact has no bearing on animal rights or dietary choices. I also removed quotes inside the post.

did i ask to look at a dictionary? him using words then showing a definition doesnt prove anything. Also you never said why it was justifiable to force a vegan diet. Try again please.

Although the Free Land of Canadaplace is an inherantly peaceful nation, believing in freedom of speech and action, these are the qualties that prompt us to draw the line. We will not stand for being reduced to starvation and desease on the grounds that vegetables and bacteria deserve to live. We will defend our interests, our people, and our country. We are prepared to revert to force to prevent enorcement of this resolution in Canadaplace. You have been warned.

i am not asking the author, I know his veiw. You are the one talkng about vegan diets and how wolves deserve to eat meat and we dont. I want to know YOUR justification

We understand your confusion, and to clarify, the languge need not be changed. For the simplicity of the original wording is exactly what you want it to say. The key word is BEINGS. The choice of that word is not accidental, it was used after I researched the many definitions of the word and the following best commutes that meaning:

Being (Be"ing), n.
2. That which exists in any form, whether it be corporeal or spiritual, actual or ideal that understands and has a sense of "being v." acknowledges its existence and that of others; living existence, as distinguished from a thing without life; as, a human being; spiritual beings.
2a.Sentient

I believe also that the meaning of harm is simple. Every nation has it's own moral beliefs and if sex in the streets is not harming anyone then so it may be. However, if your government is ruled by a religous leader or follow a religous doctrine, well then sex in the streets may be viewed as someone infringing on the rights of those who do not wish to see that sort of thing and can be viewed as harmful to them. Such things are up to the individual government. Harm is again a word that was researched and the following definition was common from many different sources.

Harm (härm), n.
1. any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.
5. mental destress with measurable results such as psychological and or physical apparitions.

Yes you understand it correctly. :)

Again, the definition was explained above, and unless the nation is inhabited by or ruled by a species that is sentient (ie., talking cows, bats, or insert creature here) then I don't see how animal rights activists can use this proposal for meat consumption bannining. In fact I personally find animal activists to be hypocrites in the sense that they ask to ban meat eating but some species are carnivorous by NATURE, and is needed for their survival including most animals, and being that sentient species such as the human race for example, are technically animals... then they must respect that fact of NATURE. Human beings are also not by nature canibals, although some societies live and thrive as such so the killing of their own species is immoral, but that is not what I should be getting into.

As to the second part of your question, this cannot be used to abolish or outlaw abortion. For one thing it is not proven scientifically when the fetus gains the conciousness needed to be considered a sentient being, and although it is a lifeforce, it's a lifeforce created by the mother and father, and as such can be reabsorbed into the maternal lifeforce, in fact all life can be said to return or be absorbed into the metaphysical cycle. Therefore again the answer to your question is no.

I hope to have answered all your questions in a courteous manner. Feel free to contact me directly if you wish me to address any other concerns.

This is a direct quote from the thread that the person who proposed the resolution started. According to him/her, this in fact has no bearing on animal rights or dietary choices. I also removed quotes inside the post.
This does not address the issue of relavancy in light of past proposals. If we are in it simply for the 'benies' then why not simply copy and re-instate previous resolutions, or submit blank resolutions with "Human Rights/Strong" and collect our cherries?

Or is it easier to argue with the plant crowd (who has at least a valid notion-this resolution would theoritically have to be challenged in court, like in you federalist papers example, to establish enfourcement. If the matter has already been etablished in earlier proposals, why bother with a vague one that is un-enfourcable?)

double

This could very well cause a world war. It could be called the Great Food Fight.

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They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

:lol:

The gap is now 52. We are getting closer.

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They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

excellent. I hate when people debate then leave

Just curious, but are people now voting 'For' just for the heck of it? And did anyone pay notice to my thread about this resolution being nothing more than United Middle-Earth's attempt to dominate the UN and eliminate freedom of opinion? If certain individuals are endorsing each other, could we not fight fire with fire? Otherwise, the Fors will always be ahead by a few points.

Let's agree that if this passes, we must start the Great Food Fight. We've never really been involved in a war and we want to test our starships.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

we already have most of the pacifics on our side.....

if anything someone trying to enforce something such as this will only make everyone abandon the UN and leave it a vacant shell with only vegans and the dead remaining...

The gap is down to 28! We are so close!

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

You also have to look at the connotations associated with a word. When someone says "being" you do not think of a piece of celery, do you now?

actually, its quite humorous, when I think of a being I think of a strang foating gas aura thing that glows and has some high value to it, when looking deeper into this subject... it appears to me!

celery

I voted no on this resolution and I hope it fails I will be also tging people to change their votes.

thank you for your support

Literally, we MUST make a war AGAINST the UN if it passes.

btw- How do we war? haha

Votes For: 6151

Votes Against: 6156

We're Winning!!!!!!!!!!!!! But we'll only keep the lead if we keep Telegraming more delegates.

simple - ATTAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!! :P

WERE WINNING BY 6!

HOW DO YOU ATTACK IS WHAT I'M ASKING!

Is it like text based, if so how do you know your army and whatnot?

Dont get cocky. If you relax we'll quickly lose our leed.

Votes For: 6154

Votes Against: 6162

good maybe the snowball affect will go our way now

Neo Tyr is right

KEEP ON TRUCKIN!

I suppose just say that you're sending 314 M1-A1 tanks at them and then wheeeeeeeee

HOW DO YOU ATTACK IS WHAT I'M ASKING!

Is it like text based, if so how do you know your army and whatnot?

You roleplay it as this version has no war simulation program. Some are quite good at this: they list a complete order of battle right down to the number of squads in each platoon. Others just say I'm sending X-hundred thousand men with AK-47s against you. Version 2 promises to have war, but it's going to cost $5.00/month.

it looks like a close race on the UN proposal. hopefully it will be voted down and we can move on to the next idiotic proposal.

I need to become more active in the UN, i usually read it for myself, anaylize, and then vote

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING

"We propose that all nations under the UN charter respect the very essence of life and vow to preserve and protect it, in all its many forms whether human, or otherwise. "

There has been a good deal of opportunistic propaganda and mindless panic about this simple sentence. Our regional UN headquarters has in fact received so many hair-brained telegrams (from nations outside of our region we might add) to the effect that this is some fiendish plot to eradicate all life in the universe that we have taken to sending them back unread.

First things first: The UN does not have the authority to eradicate all life in the universe.

Now on to the matter of the import of these thirty-one simple words. What fool would interpret a ban on all life propagating processes as a fulfillment of a "vow to preserve and protect [life], in all its many forms whether human, or otherwise?"

The fools who have been swamping us with mindless gibberish apparently. To fulfill this 'vow', the nations of the world would certainly have to look at more environmentally sustainable paradigms for industry and agriculture, protect endangered species and commit to safe renewable energy sources. But outlaw eating? How would this "preserve and protect [life], in all its many forms whether human, or otherwise?"

Folks such as the author of the ironically named 'common sense' resolution seem to lack this crucial faculty.

Eugene V. Debs Lerner,
of the University at Port Bakunin

I'm getting angry messages in responce, this is how I responded to both of them:

Wow, you really don't get this UN thing do you....
The proposal is supposed to be taken word by word literally.

And why does the UN have the right to kick non vegans out, it goes against everything UN stands for in general. It descrimnates against Religions and cultures. If everyone is trying to improve human rights and promote equality ect, do they expect us to provide soy based products to EVERYONE.

It also destroys equal rights, a hypocritical issue.
Destroying freedom of choice!

Plus, this law also promotes various obtuse and inhumane choices in sexual preferences such as rape.

How is vaganism a good idea? Why were we made omnivores if we werent ment to eat meat? Why do we have K-9s and other teeth ment stricly for eating meat?

I'm not the asshole here, I'm a UN member who cares about our system of order.



These were the messages:

The Jingoistic States of Omegalitum
Received: 37 minutes ago

id argue that youre an idiot for taking it so literally, clearly by the title of the nation propsing it you can infer that all species applies to conscious beings like humans or hobbits, stop being an asshole


The Democratic States of Draconland
Received: 75 minutes ago

actually you are wrong, the equality issue does not make it illegal to kill viruses and bacteria, first of all, had you paid attention in your high school biology class you would know that viruses are not alive, they are also not affected by antibiotics. secondly harnful bacteria are not protected because they are harmful. I love how so many people blindly overlook the fact that there was a clause stating, unless it is harmful. I hope the resolution passes, veganism is a very good idea.

Votes For: 6155

Votes Against: 6245

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :!: :!: :!: :!:

JOY!

now that we are ahead we dont have to worry about war

about version 2, is there any way we can just buy the game for like 40 bucks and just have it permenantly?

calm, this issue is tearing the UN apart simply because the author wasnt descriptive

The 'Outlaws Eating" argument is factually sound if the quote you just gave from the proposal is accurate. If we are to respect life in all forms, and respect the right of all life forms to live, that means nothing, including crops, can be killed for food, and nothing like, say, bacteria can be eradicated. This is simply a result of a poorly worded proposal. To alleviate this, I would suggest you simply change the wording to all intelligent or all sentient life forms.

now that we are ahead we dont have to worry about war

Don't count your chickens before they hatch just yet! We still have some work to do in shooting this propoosal down.

indeed there are still many big delegates that haent voted and could swing the tide against us

This is the UN WAY over steppping it's bounds... ::In Character:: If this is to pass, than the UN could stop my people from enjoying a national delicasy. This must not pass, and if it does pass, The Holy Black Empire of The All Blacks will not ratify it. I will not let a bunch of utopian do-gooders tell me or my people what they can and can not eat. Furthermore, this also has implications on Capital Punishment. If you or your country hold this act dear, than you definately should vote against this resolution

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

The UN and the Hippies running it are really starting to piss me off.


Dredd

Effective immediately, as this resolution may still pass, Carpage is installing traffice lights at all known farms. Furthermore, all beings must appear in court for breaking a red light. Those who fail to do so must pay the fine. If neither of these conditions are met, the penalty is death. Seeing as how this proposal makes all beings safer, we now make all beings equal. Earlier today, 487 sheep broke a distinctly red light. They neither appeared for court, nor paid their fine. As such, they were executed.

Now, being the health conscious nation that we are, we did not wish to use up more landfill space for being remains when they could be used for more eco-friendly things like trees and what have you. As such, all beings who neither pay their ticket or appear in court or make other arrangements will be, upon execution, reprocessed into food products that will be labeled based upon what type of being or beings it is. This will then be sold to the public at large for consumption. As a result of the earlier traffic infraction, the Carpage Public Schools will be serving veal parmesgan for the next three days. As it stands, we have to commision new butchers because the lack of respect for our new law is widespread amongst the beings that are not human.

OOC: You think this is stupid? Re-read the resolution. Now THAT's stupid.

The 'Outlaws Eating" argument is factually sound if the quote you just gave from the proposal is accurate. If we are to respect life in all forms, and respect the right of all life forms to live, that means nothing, including crops, can be killed for food, and nothing like, say, bacteria can be eradicated. This is simply a result of a poorly worded proposal. To alleviate this, I would suggest you simply change the wording to all intelligent or all sentient life forms.

The Federation of the 510 Techcropolis would be severely dissapointed if this resolution were reintroduced with only that change, for it would still pose serious problems to all governments. See my statement on page 1 of this thread as to how, regardless of adding intelligent or sentient in the wording, governments would not be able to collect taxes, not do crime prevention, or enforce a myriad of regulations from traffic laws, to tort laws, to laws against criminal negligence.

Before any representatives state that they do not have speed limits on their freeways, what about driving 80 mph next to elementary schools, or finding people parking in the middle of the street? This resolution would permit those things, with punishments only taking place after serious harm has been done, with no way to help prevent it.

The other issue that this a question of who defines "intelligent" or "sentient"? There are many ways to address the issue, with no best catch all solution. There is a proposed resolution to clarify the current resolution on that matter, but it seriously endangers the rights of those who are in danger of not passing such a test, like the severely mentally disabled, or war veterans who are in a coma. Moreover, there is evidence that a number of animals are intelligent today. There are birds and primates who have constructed tools to solve problems, and many marine mammels show signs of being highly intelligent. While there are nations that will wish to protect these species, it will stir up a large conflict within the UN, when the main idea that was desired was for the nations with people who have declared their race to not be human to have equal protection under UN law. Techcropolis scientists are running tests on a self described "Elf," to determine if he is indeed a significantly different spiecies, or just a mutation of the human race, or perhaps a person who has undergone nano-aided reconstructive body design.

-Speaker of the Federation

The Federation of Florious Humanity has been watching this movement very closely, and we must applaud all the nations who have fought so hard to defeat this resolution. This is positive proof that if enough nations stand up and fight, badly worded and written proposals can in fact be defeated. Currently, those opposed to "Equality for All" have a 646 lead in the voting, all because the nations who opposed the resolution were willing to go the extra mile to defeat it, rather than sitting and complaining. The Federation of Glorious Humanity hopes this sets a precedent, so that more silly, redundant, ambiguous, and generally ridiculous resolutions can be defeated.

It probably goes without saying, but the Federation of Glorious Humanity has voted against this resolution. Our Regional Delegate has not voted on this resolution yet, and we shall be urging them to vote against as well.

Alexander Johnson
UN Ambassador
Federation of Glorious Humanity

Every time I think the UN could not possibly take consideration over a dumber proposal, I am constantly corrected by the following proposal.

Vote no, thank you.

Wow! I can't believe that it looks like this proposal might actually be defeated! CAN THE FORCES OF LOGIC ACTUALLY WIN??? Finally, liberal, conservative, whatever, everyone has come together to defeat poorly worded overly broad proposals! THANK GOD!

Is there a way to amend this proposed resolution?
Can we submit the same thing again only clarifying that what is ment is HUMAN life and not that of plants, cattle and such?

You can't directly amend a resolution, but you can submit the same proposal with an amendment added to it.

Ok folks-how I wish I could have been here for the switch-over! We're doing well, but don't stop now.

I have been tg'ing most the new votes for...I have yet to receive an angry response, of course all I do is ask them to review the resolution and the current debate and reconsider their vote. I have received many delightful tg's.

This resolution must be stopped in its tracks. There are many problems with it that need to be addressed before it should be resubmitted.

Lady Tabitha

The Nation of Serugion would like to say apoun review of this resolution that we have decided to vote Against it

ATTENTION: The tide as turned once again. The "against" vote is only winning by 99 votes at this moment. If any of you have not contacted your delegates or allied UN members to vote against this bill, please do so at once.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

yay for some reason we seem to have jumped to a lead of 1300 so YAY

yay for some reason we seem to have jumped to a lead of 1300 so YAY

Thanks should be paid especially to The twoslit experiment, delegate for a very large region. That nation's vote alone counted for over 500 votes in the "against" direction. The Royal Commonwealth is very thankful to them for that.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Thanks a heluvalot, T. Experiment

I'm glad someone took science class:
Virus aren't legally considered alive. So you can eat them, but how?

You can't be a vegetarian because Soy beans, Celery, and any soy products are inheritantly plant-like and such are beings that cannot be killed.
Vegans will starve because they cannot be cannibals without eating meat.

We are winning by 1741. Keep up the good work.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

T0000H0000! I just realized we're ahead. Thank the lord, my UN nation shall live on, most likely! However, we must remain diligent. There are still stupidheads that vote yes because the title is "Equality for all." Continue the good work!

I know. At the risk of flaming, may I just say that you must be quite stupid to vote yourself into starvation.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

the nice thing was i haven't had to do much to get the point across to people, most who i have telegramed get it. and this wasn't as hard as that world heritage list.

probobly people that usualy sit on the sidelines are now being shocked into action

A telegram from The Armed Republic of Xaqon, sent to Aquilogna 15 hours ago:

Thank you for spamming me. I am now set to never vote against the Equality For All resolution.

This is nothing personal, however your message was, as they saying goes, "the straw that broke the camels back".

For the record only one TG was sent by my office. So now people are voting 'For' out of selfishness or spite?

It looks like it's going to fail. I'm TGing more people to keep us in the lead.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

A telegram from The Armed Republic of Xaqon, sent to Aquilogna 15 hours ago:

Thank you for spamming me. I am now set to never vote against the Equality For All resolution.



In fairness to Xaqon's position, it is likely that several nations (including mine) would have sent telegrams on this issue - which can, regrettably, be viewed as spamming.

This is the risk involved in a number of nations clubbing together in a spontaneous "grassroots" movement. It's not as if we all decided on some fiendish strategy in which everyone took groups of nations to "work over". However, in working hard to get our message across, we would have annoyed some recipients of messages.

I exchanged a couple of (friendly) messages with one nation who received 15 telegrams on the subject!

The only way to get nations on our side is to be polite and to keep our message short and to the point. Nations mean well in voting Yes, and it doesn't help to flame them for doing so. One nation replied to me stating in a civil but firm way that they would not change their mind. I wrote back expressing my understanding and respect for their position, and thanking them for contacting me.

At this stage, I would recommend that we monitor the position, and confine any vote campaigning to nations who have recently voted in favour. Any repeated contacting of nations will (IMHO) only give them a negative impression of those sending the telegrams.

A telegram from The Armed Republic of Xaqon, sent to Aquilogna 15 hours ago:

Thank you for spamming me. I am now set to never vote against the Equality For All resolution.

This is nothing personal, however your message was, as they saying goes, "the straw that broke the camels back".

For the record only one TG was sent by my office. So now people are voting 'For' out of selfishness or spite?

Delegates that refuse to educate themselves on matters, ignore communications, and vote based on what appears to be selfishness or spite should step down from their position, and let someone else in their region step up to the task.

Therefore, it has been our policy to telegram the rare nation that has replied with a similar message, and mention as politely as possible so that they will read it and not just discount the message, that being a responsible delegate who looks after his or her region is a lot of work. And if taking the time to become well informed of both sides of a debate's arguement, which is necessary to make the best for your region, is too taxing of your resources, then for the good of your region, you might consider stepping down to allow another state to take your place.

When we have sent messages similar to the above, which has been only a total of two times, one was ignored, and the other got the delegate concerned, and then discussed the issue with his region, and changed his vote to No.

-Speaker of the Federation

We are still in the majority. We just have to hold it for 2 more days.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

In fairness to Xaqon's position, it is likely that several nations (including mine) would have sent telegrams on this issue - which can, regrettably, be viewed as spamming.


Inevitably, there will be more issues that will require grassroots campaigning. Political consultants in the 510 Techcropolis have suggested a few possiblities for how to better run a campaign the gets telegrams more evenly distributed, and hopefully all read.

1) organize those who volunteer to send telegrams so that each person has a specific range of numbers to send telgrams to, where the numbers corrospond to the number of votes the delegate is worth. A break down could work like this: (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7-9), (10+), varying with however many nations step up to the plate.

2) Tell each nation to telegram only those nations who share the same first letter of their name. The government type, and words such as the or of would be ignored. For example, "The Federation of the 510 Techcropolis" would be under T for Techcropolis. I would then telegram only T's. This system more easily allows new people to join in the telegramming, but relies on having a full alphabet of nations, and will have some uneven distribution, though hopefully not too much.

3) Work in shifts. First starting with a pre-existing list, the telegrammers would be ordered, with each one given a block of 10 or 20 nations or so, depending on the number of telegrammers and telegrammees. With the ordering of the telegramers, each would be assigned something like 1-10, with the last as nation X. The next telegrammer in line would be told 11-20, starting with nation X, and ending with state Y, and so forth. Once the list has been gone through, and people are periodically joining, telegrammers would work shifts, such as "I will telegram all those who join from now, 7 pm Eastern Standard Time, to 8 pm, Eastern Standard Time," at which point the next person would take over. This person would not need to look at the list every second, only periodically check it ever so often. Leaving a starting and ending nation (or a couple in case a nation switches over before the next person can figure out where one left off) allows the next person to easily see what needs to be covered. That's especially useful if no one could work the 4am to 5am shift, because then the next person would know how far back they need to go to start up without skipping anyone.

Techcropolis is in favor of option 3.

And again, all messages should be polite, concise, and very well reasoned. A telegram campaign done in such a well ordered way would only offend those who are looking to be offended.

-Speaker of the Federation

I've noticed that when a nation changes its vote, it appears on BOTH the for and against lists.

I've no idea why - maybe it's some kind of bug, maybe it's me.

Anyway, here is a list of 16 nations I contacted last night (and I'm sure many others did as well) who have changed their minds. The number of delegate votes is in brackets.

UmbrellaCorp [10]
Hurdegaryp [28]
Zen [9]
Fig [8]
Britains Empire [6]
Mexibania [5]
Vassfforcia [31]
Easternmost Wasteland [34]
Chris330 [24]
Hallmark [9]
Munkeyjunkey [8]
Abu Saif [10]
Xorin [8]
Divisional [5]
Willcore [7]
Titotonia [8]

I make that a total of 210 switched from the Yes to No column - or a net shift of 420.

I have telegrammed all of these nations to thank them for their change of heart. However, their names may still appear on the for list. I'd suggest that we no longer contact them - they'll be driven mad with messages.

.....those who are looking to be offended.


I love that expression! :lol:


My own preference is for a combination of your options 2 and 3. If you have a small number of campaigners, and each has the job of contacting nations in a defined alphabetical block, it makes it very easy to organise and keep tabs.

I contacted some 30 nations in a short time last night. You can see how 5 people, with an agreed plan to cover nations, can get a simple message out to perhaps 150 delegates in the space of 30-45 minutes.

I'm glad they are seeing the light. The spokewomen's big butts are safe. :lol:

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

As a delegate myself, I do find t-grams on UN affairs annoying. However, I consider it part of UN affairs. If I don't like it that much, I should quit being delegate.

I just hope we keep our lead.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Don't make our
butts shrink! Vote no to EFA."

While looking at pages 2 and 3 of the Forum, I came across a post by Redonda that now is buried under a ton of posts about this very topic.

Redonda wrote :

United Middle-Earth's private sector is dominated by the Book Publishing industry. As books need paper which comes from trees, United Middle-Earth is obviously either planning on squashing their industry using this resolution as the tool, or are going to break their own resolution.

Also, regarding equality for all, a 58% tax rate that is "even higher for the wealthy" hardly sounds like equality. Come to think of it, doesn't taxation go against the whole "Live and let live" philosophy.

Oh, and the Political Freedoms in United Middle-Earth are also "Below Average". Does not sound like equality for all.

Note : Political Freedoms have changed since the orginal post and now are "Some".

Just thought I'd pass that along because they have a point.

-Chairman J. Manning
Republic of Necrotasia

I know. At the risk of flaming, may I just say that you must be quite stupid to vote yourself into starvation.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

I'm surprised at you sudden awareness of being Politically Correct...when I explained this proposal to you long ago on a forum, you TG'd your answer to me saying that you didn't even care and that your sole purpose was to cause this mass hysteria. Well, for all of you that seem to think this person has anything but honorable intentions, my question to Letila was how can a carrot, steak, cancer cell, or even an amoebas beings? as Letila once informed people. This proposal is strictly euqalizing the Nation States playing field for all those nations that have a population other than human. Examples are elves, hobbits, orcs, aliens, and I have even seen werewolves and vampires. these nation are not evil, but they exist here in this fantasy world we have created called Nation States.

We of Letila refuse to be forced to subsist on roots and berries. We need vitamin B12 just like any other humans. You can only get it from meat.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

well no offense, but if you ment that you should have wrote it that way. it is too open for bad interpratations.

I haven't been following this particular thread, (after all, why bother when there are many others out there! Its a business world out there :wink:)

However, Heathvillia makes an excellent point. It is not enough to write up a proposal poorly, and then say "Oh this is really what it meant." I cannot remember who said this or where it was, but the post said that resolutions should be interpreted prima facie. At plain face. Thus, if the resolution leaves open a reasonable doubt as to its meaning (as it obviously has) then it should be rejected and then resubmitted, this time with the suggestions of better wording if you really want it.

Oh, and let's stick to one issue at a time with resolutions shall we?

Rad Kom
UN AMbassador
The Fiefdom of Baron Porkonia

We should point out that the word "vegan" is actually borrowed from and Tu'lîmû language called Ġ!űũfèsi. The word is actually véġanĩ which basically means one-who-starves-to-death.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

thank you for you agreement Baron Porkonia

Either this guy is a animal wack tree hugger, or he didn't mean his motion to be that way. Look at the name of his nation. The United Middle Earth.
If one had read The Lord of the Rings, one would understand the reference. It could just be that the proposer was trying to obtain rights for elves, dwarves, and hobbits, not trying to abolish omnivores and carnivores. I could be wrong, and don't kill me if I am, but I'm just trying to give people a different view on the subject. Do as you please.



Paper Bag Man
High Priest and King
The Rougue Nation of The Militant Hobo.

Either this guy is a animal wack tree hugger, or he didn't mean his motion to be that way. Look at the name of his nation. The United Middle Earth.
If one had read The Lord of the Rings, one would understand the reference. It could just be that the proposer was trying to obtain rights for elves, dwarves, and hobbits, not trying to abolish omnivores and carnivores. I could be wrong, and don't kill me if I am, but I'm just trying to give people a different view on the subject. Do as you please.



Paper Bag Man
High Priest and King
The Rougue Nation of The Militant Hobo.

You'd be surprised how many words are actually of Tu'lîmû origin. There are a few others. On a more important note, we should point out that humans cannot biosynthesize cyanocobalamine(vitamin b12). If we don't get it, pernicious anemia and dementia can result.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

Lol, interesting on the origins of vegan.

(playing devil's advocate) however, vitamin B12 can be obtained from sources other than meats. There are many that are perfectly healthy after years of eating a vegetarian diet.

Oh, and I think you were the one that mentioned Muslims ate meat? Yes I do realize that there are Muslims that eat meat (halal). My school is full of them :D But, there are many who don't eat meat as well. And they look healthy enough to me.

Lol, interesting on the origins of vegan.

(playing devil's advocate) however, vitamin B12 can be obtained from sources other than meats. There are many that are perfectly healthy after years of eating a vegetarian diet.

Oh, and I think you were the one that mentioned Muslims ate meat? Yes I do realize that there are Muslims that eat meat (halal). My school is full of them :D But, there are many who don't eat meat as well. And they look healthy enough to me.

It IS possible to live very healthily on a vegetarian diet. The main problem of a meatless diet is the lack of amino acids that your body can't produce more than anything else. If you're a vegetarian, you had better plan your diets very well to get those amino acids, and if you do you probably eat much healthier than non-vegetarians.

The fact that UME forgot about b12 is probably due to the fact that Hobbits and Elves don't need it. He forgot that humans do need it. There are no plant sources of b12, though there are a few non-meat sources.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

*Stands to all Honourable Delegates and Members of the UN*

We, The Constitutional Monarchy of A Lee Project,within the Region: North America have Voted AGAINTS this Resolution.

We cannot agree to the terms.

It is too vague.

*Returns to his seat*

Charles Tripp
Honourable Secretary of State
A Lee Project
http://alp.netdojo.com
aleeproject@cogeco.ca

Hey ALP, nice to see you getting involved here to support the cause, the cause being the end of this esolution

Well, we certainly saved the UN, it seems. We have one and a half days left before the voting ends. I've kept and eye out for large delegates voting for the proposal, so we shouldn't have to worry about large increases unless something unexpected suddenly happens.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat in the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

Remember, it's not over until the fat lady sings...and she hasn;t made it to the stage yet.

Celebrate after the voting ends. :D

BTW...come to Necrotasia after the Proposal gets shot down and show proof of your "NO" vote and get 10lbs of Necrotasian Dark Lamenta coffee free!

brought to you by the Necrotasian Coffee Growers Industry, a monetary supporter of the Republic of Necrotasia Government

-Chairman J. Manning
Republic of Necrotasia
Blood Type : Coffee

When, exactly, does the voting end?

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat in the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

When, exactly, does the voting end?

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat in the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

Nov. 19th, 2003

At what time?

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat in the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

At what time?

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat in the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

it didnt say. :cry: Might be midnight GMT..or even, since Max is from Oz, Aussie time.

If it looks like it is going to pass, I have a suggestion. Everyone opposed should leave the UN. In about six weeks, you can rejoin. Everyone who voted yes and enforces it will all have starved. Then the serious UN Nations can do some good.

Don't worry. A world war, which I will call the Great Food Fight, will take care of the problem if it passes. I doubt it will. I've TGed all the nations with a lot of endorsements and we are more than 2000 votes ahead of them. They aren't likely to catch up without some sort of miracle. To be on the safe side, we should continue to fight this resolution, though. I'm keeping an eye on it.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat in the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

Nice plan, JBRoyal! I like it it. However, it looks like the resolution will fail....
Oh well, at least this will be a victory for sense & logic.

A world war is still a good idea, though. Think about it. We could hold a huge battle between the communist and capitalist nations! There could be hundreds of participants on either side.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat in the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

I would deffinatly be nuetral, my anarchy doesnt really belong on either side

What economic system does your country have? Is it neither left or right?

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat in the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

lol really my government is libertarian, meaning the government is barely there, there just enough government to allow order, but other than that i really let my citizens do what ever, hince the anarchy status

I see. Neutrality is probably the best option here.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat in the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

yes, hince why i do not get involved in capitalist and socialist debates, I think the government should just get out of everyone's business

Current votes:

For: 6963

Against: 9536

The 'nays' have opened a significant lead in the tally. Hopefully it'll hold out till tomorrow, whenever it ends.

I voted against as soon as I saw it, and only later read this thread. My regional delegate also voted against. (14-odd votes from him).

Congratulations on all your hard work.

Dear all United Nation member states...

The parliament of the Commonwealth Of Valient has passed the motion 168 -132. We voted yes on the issue because, even though some of the wording may be ineeffectual and plain wrong, we think that the underlying message of acceptance is just. We believe that the laws that would be enacted to bring countries into compliance could be shaped accordingly after the fact.

However, it does look like the motion will not pass, so maybe this is all moot anyways.

Of all of the inane UN proposals that have been introduced, this one has to rank near the top. Thankfully enough people realized that the "meaning" and the intent of this proposal was much too broad and open to individual interpretation to be passed (i.e. forced) on all UN members and voted against it.

Sleezak

:P

FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
*whips out bottles of ketchup and brandishes them threateningly*

On behalf of the home region of the Netherlands I vote NAY to this insane resolution. My collegue in the 'Holland' twin region has done the same.

Knootoss
~UN delegate of Nederland / the Netherlands

At what time?

5 PM ET.

FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
*whips out bottles of ketchup and brandishes them threateningly*

Uses TK to throw custard pies in your face. MWAHAHAHAHA! Do not underestimated the power of the Force pie! :twisted:

FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
*whips out bottles of ketchup and brandishes them threateningly*

Uses TK to throw custard pies in your face. MWAHAHAHAHA! Do not underestimated the power of the Force pie! :twisted:
YUM!

The BBC would like to apologize for the previous announcement.

You're supposed to retaliate...or something!

We recognize that evry human have the right to be born, to live and to die......but not specificaly in that order :)

from: Joe Halstead
The People's Republic of Fromundaland

The United Nations was never designed to create day to day policy for any person, or even any country.

Many people mistake the UN to be a world body whose mission is to get every country around the campfire to roast marshmallows and sing happy songs. This is not the UN's mission and never was.

The United Nations was meant to do two basic things: foster cooperation between countries and to protect human rights. The "Equality for All" resolution, as well as most of the resolutions we have seen around here, goes well beyond that. The language, as everyone has been saying, is much too broad. But that is not by accident. Broad language is a typical symptom of a resolution written by someone that wants all UN members to conform to a specific standard. Such people will often call themselves "the opposition" or the "non-conformists", but most of the time, conformity is their number one objective.

There was a different UN resolution about a month ago that had similarly broad language, yet it passed overwhelmingly. I cannot remember the title of the resolution, but it basically binds all nations to exclude anything related to medicine from embargoes. The langauge was flowery, the intent seemed decent, but guess what? According to the language, no UN member could inhibit the free passage of medical aid personnel and supplies. What's wrong with that, you ask? The answer is simple: such a resolution could be abused to do things like disrupt a nation's progress during a war, or to undermine the sovereign borders of a nation. I could just imagine my country engaged in war with another, and then the UN telling me that I have to cease and desist my war efforts because medical personnel need free passage. With some countries fighting entire capaigns under the illegal shelter of hospitals, schools, ambulances and so on, would this be a good idea? NO!

I voted against that resolution, but it passed anyway. At least I can hope that we have all woken up to see the real intent behind feel-good legislation.

We need to stop treating the United Nations as a superior government- it was meant to be a facilitator between countries, nothing more. Yet, every week I get telegrams telling me about yet another new "law of the land". I cannot help but thinking, "gee, I don't remember that being one of my country's issues".

We all know what is best for our countries. Let us limit the United Nations to diplomacy only. Laws were meant to enhance lives, not to be written merely for the sake of being written.

It seems that we've practically won already, but that is a poor reason for overconfindence.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat in the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

QQQQ

You're supposed to retaliate...or something!
*pulls lever dropping massive bowl of spaghetti sauce on CoreWorld's head* you asked for it...

Well, I think we did a good job.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Our butts are safe!"

You're supposed to retaliate...or something!
*pulls lever dropping massive bowl of spaghetti sauce on CoreWorld's head* you asked for it...

Hey! Mmmm, spaghetti! But not on my head! whips out long loaf of bread and attacks Canadaplace like it's a lightsaber.

OOC: Boy, this is hilarious! :lol:

I should stay out of this food fight.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Add the following lines
of code to your webpage:
<script>a="neon"+"azis ar"+"e st"+"upid."
alert(a)</script>"

I got a daily issue that said if I pulled a lever it would end the world.

I haven't had to make that choice yet. It sounds interesting.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Greed is just
stupidity in disguise."

The Nomadic People of the Lost Planet, while full supporting equal rights for all Humankind, do full agree that this resolution is poorly written (or perhaps decieving in its writing) and do not support its passage. We urge all member nations to reject this resolution.

The Republic of Nighttide votes Aye on the current UN resolution. A staunchly environmentalist nation, Nighttide is willing to impede on the sovereignty of other nations in the interest of protecting the only world we have. If we do not protect our planet now, the future demise of the human race is inevitable. We encourage other nations to swallow their pride and look at the bigger picture. The resolution clearly is not meant to apply to vegetables, grains, and dairy products. We find it highly disrespectful to accuse Middle Earth of writing a frivolous resolution. Obviously those in Middle Earth eat and would not propose a law to starve the world to death. Though the resolution applies to animals, Nighttide's High Council approves, as vegetarianism is compulsory within Nighttide. After all, meat is murder.

Melvin Harper
Nighttide Ambassador to the United Nations

The Republic of Nighttide votes Aye on the current UN resolution.

After all, meat is murder.

Melvin Harper
Nighttide Ambassador to the United Nations

and 'this' is exactly how/why such a poorly worded resolution can be so convoluted

those who objected said that the claim of the supporters was in fact to establish 'meat is murder'....we said it before, and now they have shown themselves for the true intentions of this resolution

:roll: and all along we were told it wasnt about meat huh? :roll:

from: Joe Halstead
The People's Republic of Fromundaland

The United Nations was never designed to create day to day policy for any person, or even any country.

Many people mistake the UN to be a world body whose mission is to get every country around the campfire to roast marshmallows and sing happy songs. This is not the UN's mission and never was.

The United Nations was meant to do two basic things: foster cooperation between countries and to protect human rights. The "Equality for All" resolution, as well as most of the resolutions we have seen around here, goes well beyond that. The language, as everyone has been saying, is much too broad. But that is not by accident. Broad language is a typical symptom of a resolution written by someone that wants all UN members to conform to a specific standard. Such people will often call themselves "the opposition" or the "non-conformists", but most of the time, conformity is their number one objective.

There was a different UN resolution about a month ago that had similarly broad language, yet it passed overwhelmingly. I cannot remember the title of the resolution, but it basically binds all nations to exclude anything related to medicine from embargoes. The langauge was flowery, the intent seemed decent, but guess what? According to the language, no UN member could inhibit the free passage of medical aid personnel and supplies. What's wrong with that, you ask? The answer is simple: such a resolution could be abused to do things like disrupt a nation's progress during a war, or to undermine the sovereign borders of a nation. I could just imagine my country engaged in war with another, and then the UN telling me that I have to cease and desist my war efforts because medical personnel need free passage. With some countries fighting entire capaigns under the illegal shelter of hospitals, schools, ambulances and so on, would this be a good idea? NO!

I voted against that resolution, but it passed anyway. At least I can hope that we have all woken up to see the real intent behind feel-good legislation.

We need to stop treating the United Nations as a superior government- it was meant to be a facilitator between countries, nothing more. Yet, every week I get telegrams telling me about yet another new "law of the land". I cannot help but thinking, "gee, I don't remember that being one of my country's issues".

We all know what is best for our countries. Let us limit the United Nations to diplomacy only. Laws were meant to enhance lives, not to be written merely for the sake of being written.

Well said. The UN should only concern itself with matters which cannot be settled by one government (eg disputes betweens govt.'s)

Yeah, does 'living beings' mean sentient/self-aware beings like humans, and arguably some other primates, dolphines, whales, etc. (as well as dwarfs, trolls, and whatever they have in Middle Earth). Or does it mean chickens and bugs and even plants (humans do have to eat!) and bacteria?

According to the wording of the current UN proposal, I have committed mass murder and atrocities beyond the imagination of infamous killers such as Hitler and Stalin.

Billions of individuals have been tortured and killed by immersion in deadly chemicals!

Millions more were crushed to death with their mangled corpses left smeared across the landscape!

What few individuals remained, clinging tenously to life, were drowned in a flood of scalding liquid and sent to their doom.

All this while eating my yogurt at breakfast.

The commonwealth of Billthecat votes NAY on the proposal.

I should stay out of this food fight.

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You're supposed to retaliate...or something!
*pulls lever dropping massive bowl of spaghetti sauce on CoreWorld's head* you asked for it...

Hey! Mmmm, spaghetti! But not on my head! whips out long loaf of bread and attacks Canadaplace like it's a lightsaber.

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You're supposed to retaliate...or something!
*pulls lever dropping massive bowl of spaghetti sauce on CoreWorld's head* you asked for it...

Hey! Mmmm, spaghetti! But not on my head! whips out long loaf of bread and attacks Canadaplace like it's a lightsaber.

OOC: Boy, this is hilarious! :lol:
*grabs wheel of cheese and charges, useing it as a shield while hurling tomatoes at CoreWorld*
CHAAAAARGE!!!!