NationStates Jolt Archive

Equality For All
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Description: My nation is host to many different types of races and civilizations, all of whom live symbioticaly and respect eachother's cultures and right of existence. We ask that all member states of the UN adhere to that policy as well.

-All living beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence.

That they may live as they see fit as long as they do not cause harm to another. In simpler terms "Live and let live." If a nation employs slaves for labor for example, we submit that they must end the practice or leave the UN voluntarily.

That the aparthied inspired classification of sexual preference be erradicated from being used within the confines of government terminology.

We propose that all nations under the UN charter respect the very essence of life and vow to preserve and protect it, in all its many forms whether human, or otherwise.

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If you look closely at this resolution, it 'seems' to be another "HumanRights issues". IT IS NOT!!

Look carefully at what is being proposed:

"All living beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence."

= all living beings? "what they may be"???
this encompasses chickens and even earthworms!!!

= "That they may live as they see fit as long as they do not cause harm to another" this applies to ANY barnyard stock!!


The person making this proposal MAKES it seem like a human rights issue, with slavery and apartheid laws, but look closely at the last paragraph:

"We propose that all nations under the UN charter respect the very essence of life and vow to preserve and protect it, in all its many forms whether human, or otherwise"

essence of life???? human or otherwise?????

This can mean ANY life; cucumbers or chickens!!

This cannot be enacted; it is well meaning but simply put: if you vote for this resolution, you cannot eat a carrot or have a hamburger, since this would violate the "essence of life...human or otherwise".

I have seen many loony UN resolutions, but this one simply is beyond the pale; according to the way it is worded, no human could eat any vegetable or animal because they risk violating the "essence of life" requirement. When this comes up, and it will, VOTE NO.

Dont vote what you "think" a resolution means...you are voting an what a resolution "says"!!!!

:evil: to this proposal

When it was originally posted the creator did indeed call special attention to the fact that it covers "any and all" life.
Nations would be required to be vegan, or even to starve. Pests like rats, mice and mosquitos would proliferate uncontrolled.
Even baths would be outlawed because bathing kills bacteria and body lice. (In fact the Jain sect of Hinduism prohibits bathing on these grounds.)

New Clarkhall stands with you two. The proposal is just phrased too poorly. While it has a nice title, what it actually calls for, is nonsense.

When the time comes, we hope it will be voted down quickly.

I too will reject this proposal. If this proposal would pass, I could not eat pie. I will talk to the other countries of Pie Land. This is a serious issue.

(In fact the Jain sect of Hinduism prohibits bathing on these grounds.)

Huh?

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The Republic of Millstone has formilized an opinion on this matter and shal adress it as so:

The Republic of Millstone is very pro-civil rights and pro-political freedoms. However we are only pro-civil rights to a certain exstent. We are pro-Human Civil rights and not bacterial! We take good care of our animals and have a HUGE robust variety of animals in our nation. With lush enviroments to live in. People need to eat comrades. We can't starve our citizens. Plus this resolution denies freedoms of eating what you wish. Being a very free nation dening our citizens the right to somthing as basic as eating would go against what every free nation beilives in. Considering this resolution is called "Equality For All". To conclude The Republic of Millstone will vote no when this resolution comes into a vote in the UN.

-The Republic of Millstone November 12, 2003.
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"For Millstone comrade! Down with Fascism!"

Due to that clause, we will be voting NO on this resolution when it comes to a vote.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
DU Regional Delegate

We won't vote for it, either, simply for consistancy.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
Letilan moths! Yay!
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Alas, this is another resolution with very noble intentions that, due to a defect in its wording, will have terrible consequences. We in Gurthark assume that the drafters intended something about sentience or consciousness, rather than mere life, but alas, they failed to say that. We must oppose the resolution.

We also fear that it will pass anyway. The United Nations currently seems hell-bent on passing all sorts of dreadful "feel-good" resolutions, without paying any attention whatsoever to what those resolutions say in detail or the many arguments against them.

We in Gurthark regret this trend for three reasons:

1. It causes dreadful laws to become binding on many of the world's nations.
2. It undermines the moral authority of the United Nations, which is, in its concept, a noble organization.
3. Because most of these proposals have a "leftist" slant, the trend provides fodder for the maligning of "leftists" on these boards. In anticipation of yet more of these attacks, I would like to remind my fellow representatives that some of the leftmost nations in the U.N. (including the Community of Gurthark) have opposed these proposals.

Sincerely,
Miranda Googleplex
United Nations Ambassador
Community of Gurthark

We wish we could support this Resolution, since we think the intention is very good. But it's just worded too poorly. If literally applied, it would prohibit physicians from administering antibiotics.

Nonetheless, we hope to see the day when needless cruelty inflicted upon sentient creatures is a thing of the past, and when all the peoples of all nations recognise that our fate is linked to that of the other forms of life with which we share this planet.

Please vote against this proposal and tell people in your region to do the same.

2578 for 44 against at the moment

So are you people saying you will vote against actually doing it?

"That they may live as they see fit as long as they do not cause harm to another"
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In addition to the inability to use antibiotics and other serious issues generated by the wording, there is a very sinister clause that is being overlooked (above). This single sentance voids thousands of laws and legal regulations world wide. If a person drives 70 mph infront of a school (until they hit a child), or does not see it fitting that they pay any taxes, or manufactures explosives and leaves them where children or criminals can get them, then they will have done nothing that the government can find fault with, according to this resolution.

In the examples above, yes, two of them very likely will result in the harm or death of others, at which point the government can take legal action, but only to the individual responsible. That is because negligence does not necessarily cause harm to others, and can be defended up until the point of harm as living as they see fit.

As for the taxes, it could be argued that they are causing everyone in the nation harm, but it could be defended as well. This resolution would result in a deprivation of government funds.

Although Techcropolis stands for political freedoms and civil rights, it will gladly side with facist states in defeating this resolution.

-A man who tresspasses on your property will not have broken the law. A man who enters your house without causing any monetary damage to your property will still not have broken the law. If you strike him, you will be punished by your government, even though he comes baring a fully loaded shotgun. It is only after he shoots your family that you will be able to call the police and take action under this resolution. VOTE NO!

who are these people who keep posting these inane issues? I recently started playing, and going over the UN resolutions past and pending, it's all fluff. FLUFF! Seems to me a whole lot of people want to turn the game into some bastion of a Civil rights Utopia. We should have the option to blatanly ignore certain resolutions, I mean look at china.... they ignore the human rights issues all the time.

Our country, the Republic Of South East China, is actuallt famous for its variety of different foods. If you visit you can basically eat everything that moves and that doesn't move and we won't give up our strongest source of nuriture and tourism. :(

People seem to vote "yes" blindly, inane or not.

I agree this resolution is a trap, it is written very clevery to think you are helping man kind. When actually he is trying to take my juicy steaks away from me. I also don't agree that the government should remove any stand point on sexual preference. My Nation is found under God, there fore we have laws to live by. You must have a foundation and stand on it, or you will fall.

The Socialist States of Outer Uiguria do indeed endorse full human rights to everyone, but our people have no desire to sacrifice their national dish of Sea Cucumbers to protect all living things. Thus we voted against and advise everyone else to vote so, too.

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The Foreign Affairs Commissar of the Revolutionary Council
Ms. Natasha Sergejeva Volkova
The United Socialist States of Outer Uiguria

Does that include a virus or germs? "Oh no, you can't take medicine or you're killing all the germs. You'll just have to bleed to death. We're sorry but ALL life is important except yours"

How do they define slave labor? You can't very well pay people in advance for work they have yet to complete. Until they do complete their work, they are essentially slave labor.

"we submit that they must end the practice or leave the UN voluntarily"

So, are YOU going to pay for every nation that has slaves and the reintroduction of them into society? You can't very well wave a wand and say, "you're now free" even though they are worse off than before. If you have a job and that is the ONLY job in town, it may be better to be a "slave" to the MAN than to starve.

Oh wait, you're not allowed to eat anything either. I guess we could just cut out the middle steps and kill everyone instead.

It all comes down to you can do what you want as long as you do only what we tell you.

What would be the point of granting rights to unsentient creatures who wouldn't even know they have them?
Human rights above stupid animal rights!!

If this proposal was intended to apply only to human life, then existing UN proposals already provide all the guarantees the people of the world need. At best, this proposal is therefore redundant. However, it is so vague that one could read it to mean that, for example, livestock have an equal right to live in freedom, equal with that of the human being. This is obviously absurd, and yet this proposal is so poorly written that it could well be construed to support such a position, along with many others.

Vote against it - the United Nations already provides a minimum set of rights which are far more specific, important, universal, and most importantly of all WELL WRITTEN than this new proposal. Only by voting against this incoherent nonsense will we ever put an end to it!

The Official Chakanese Government line is as follows:

The Resolution was extremely badly worded. It should perhaps have defined the line between what can be protected and what life must be taken to preserve the life of the citizens. For the nation of Chakana this resolution will have absolutely no effect, as Government laws to this effect are already in place. The Chakanese Health department does not use antibiotics, but is a subdivision of the Ash-Kata Assembly of Magicians. All bacteria treatment is performed by removing the bacteria unharmed, and providing them with living areas in various space colonies. Chakana will be voting against the resolution, but should a better worded resolution to the affect that we believe this one intended, one that clearly defines the line, then we shall vote for that resolution.

Wux'Ashaka, representative of Her Most Serene Majesty, Grand-Queen Litha of Chakana.

And I apologize for my awfull grammar.

It should not be the business of the UN to disallow those of us who choose to eat meat to do so. Defeat this resolution please!

Would this forbid different animals from attacking eachother? How would they eat? How would anything eat? Mass extinction of all living creatures within the United Nations is imminent!

We'll be equally dead.
Equality For All!

This resolution could be used to voluntarily topple the humans off of the top of the food chain (in UN Nations)?

Absurd. Vote against.

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

It should not be the business of the UN to disallow those of us who choose to eat meat to do so. Defeat this resolution please!

Not only that, but this resolution would prohibit the eating of plants also, as they are considered "living beings". Vote yes if your citizens would enjoy living off of eating rocks and mud.

I cannot believe that such a poorly worded and rediculous resolution is garnering so many votes.

sigh-it's another one of those 'feel good' resolutions. Can people not think?

Who they heck is supporting this to bump it up the queue to vote on?
It's just plain poorly written...

I believe that this resolution is aimed squarely at countries that permit abortion, if that is the case, we would be VIOLATING the RIGHT of WOMEN to have abortion, thus I encourage all to vote against the resolution currently in front of the UN

As a whole, my voting scheme is to keep the government out of everywhere it doesn't belong and vote as liberally as possible (liberal liberal, not anti-liberties liberal that America seems to confuse) on Issues and Resolutions where it does (exceptions-I HATE vegetarians and I believe Catholics are, by far, the sexiest of all religions/sects). The game registers this as a "liberal, ominpresent government" because it doesn't register dismissals, but I dismiss the hell out of stuff.
This is somewhere the government altogether does not belong. Most UN resolutions are, but this is exceptional in its far-reachingness and how dangerously the wording can be interpreted. I feel threatened by this, and I'm beginning to think it might be a good idea to just drop out of the UN and not let my vote try to help the world.

It seems we've got at least 3K people who'll automatically vote yes on any resolution, and about 600 people who are either insane or genuinely belive that you can increase rights by eradicating our liberties.

What you people are saying is nonsensical and contradictory.

The proposal says that it asks all nations to respect the essence of life.

However, it also points to the symbiotic relationship of life.

For those of you who don't know what that means, it means that all organisims exist together, with respect to one another.

Coexistance means that eventually, someone's gotta eat.

So a symboitic relationship means a coexistance with respect to other organisims, but that doesn't mean that organisims don't have to be killed. It's ridiculous to think so.

Essentially what is being said is that no genocides should take place.

This is insane...

Votes For: 3767

Votes Against: 556

I think people just saw "Equality for All" and voted 'yes' without even looking at it.

:x

Remiel votes against. This resolution is badly phrased and should be rewritten. It's somewhat surprising that this got to the UN in the firstplace

What you people are saying is nonsensical and contradictory.

The proposal says that it asks all nations to respect the essence of life.

However, it also points to the symbiotic relationship of life.

For those of you who don't know what that means, it means that all organisims exist together, with respect to one another.

Coexistance means that eventually, someone's gotta eat.

So a symboitic relationship means a coexistance with respect to other organisims, but that doesn't mean that organisims don't have to be killed. It's ridiculous to think so.

Essentially what is being said is that no genocides should take place.

The resolution itself is contradictory - your intepretion above misses the line: "All living beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence.".

Isn't killing the utmost violation of right of existence? And as "all living beings" refer to an individual, instead of species, it has to be taken literally. If it would read "all living species" instead of "beings" then I would accept your view to this issue.

So a symboitic relationship means a coexistance with respect to other organisims, but that doesn't mean that organisims don't have to be killed. It's ridiculous to think so.

The resolution says that ALL beings of any species, sentient, intelligent, or none of the above, have the right to life. This resolution would make stepping on ants murder, let alone eating animals. It doesn't even say "animals," it would include protists and bacteria. No one in this thread is challenging the symbiotic nature of life -- we're trying to preserve it.

Unfortunately, I don't think this thread will help. Not enough people check the forums in the first place, and most that do will probably write this thread off as a dictator's caucus without ever looking at it because of the title.

If this resolution is gonna pass by the deadline I am pulling my country out of the UN, I agree that this resolution is completely insane.

:idea: What about making an alternate UN (except with a different name) for those nations who disagree with these various proposals (like one tailored to dictators and such)? I notice that more and more people are dropping out the UN because of its tendency to vote for civil rights. I don't know much about programming or how this would be done, I'm just throwing an idea out there and wondering if this is a possible venture. Maybe reconstruct the game so that there are continents differing in governmental style to choose from, then branching off into regions?(Like continents-countries-states/provinces-cities/towns). That way people who don't like how the UN is doing can join a different one, giving them more options and letting everyone have fun voting.

What do you think?

The Grand Fragorl

Well what about dangerous animals that attack humans. Why do we have to protect them

Another stupid attempt by stupid people :evil: Why the hell do people vote for these things? Obviously, they dont take the time to read them carefully.

We wish we could support this Resolution, since we think the intention is very good. But it's just worded too poorly. If literally applied, it would prohibit physicians from administering antibiotics....

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The phrasing doesn't just enforce veganism and prohibit antibiotics. It can be interpreted as anti-choice for abortion, and as pro-death-penalty for infractions! Following this proposal, we'd be like the Shakers, who believed that all procreation was wrong, and died out!

I tend to vote yes on civil rights/human rights issues, and am in fact a vegetarian, but I'm voting A BIG FAT NO on this one.

Yes, the people of Sassafroon cannot survive on unliving matter, nor will they survive if we cannot administer appropriate medication. I have lodged our vote against, and have urged the other UN members in my region to so vote.

Afgncaap, Adjunct to the Head Clerk of Sassafroon.

Ausinantainia will vote against this proposal, and will urge others in our region to do so as well.


Countess Tina of Ausinantania

Outer Uiguria has also urged all other nations in Alliance of Socialist States to vote against this resolution.

And it is a good point that this is also anti-choice decision on abortion. That would seriously be against the human rights policy of our country.

Outer Uiguria has also urged all other nations in Alliance of Socialist States to vote against this resolution.

And it is a good point that this is also anti-choice decision on abortion. That would seriously be against the human rights policy of our country.

This resolution would definitely not prohibit the use of antibiotics. Anything requiring the use of antibiotics is clearly a threat to your health, and is therefore not protected by this resolution...

I am voting against it, though, because of the above point and a few others

This resolution would definitely not prohibit the use of antibiotics. Anything requiring the use of antibiotics is clearly a threat to your health, and is therefore not protected by this resolution...

I am voting against it, though, because of the above point and a few others

Actually, bacteria and virii are both living organisms. This resolution states that (the government) can bring no harm to any living thing, and bacteria and virii both fall under that catagory, regardless of the damage they can do themselves. (In much the same way that this resolution forbids Capital Punishment)

If this goes through, all that the UN nations will be able to do is guess whether starvation of disease kills them first.

Non-UN Nations could always start a lottery on this.. have to guess the order that nations die out, and what the cause is. . :lol:

If this passes, I'm leaving the fucking UN. It's just psychotic. It would outlaw eating and medicine for God's sake.

I would implore everyone to vote against this retarded resolution.

Luckily the Against side is gaining some steam.

On average, how many people vote?

Clearly there are more voters than brains.

What about racists? Would they no longer be hated and weeded out and respected for their opinions??? How far does this go and in what depth? If all living beings have the right to life then what food shall we eat? I remind you that even plants live and they would too have a right to existance. I am not in favor of this and will vote against this and I encourage others to follow along with me.

Look for "Coalition of Reason" thread in International Incidents.

...Veganism should never be forced on ANYONE. It is a lifestyle choice, just like it is a lifestyle choice to eat meat. I can and have believed in equality for all peoples of the NS world, but frankly, I'll go up in arms to ensure that this proposal is never enforced in my nation.

Greetings:

There is nothing I can add that has not been said well by the other representatives here. But the Royal Commonwealth must register its disgust with the international community, as represented in the United Nations. That a proposal as poorly written, illogical, and (if taken quite literally) totally separated from reality as this one can at this moment have 3000 more votes in support than against shows the utter incapacity of many nations' leadership. One does not have to be a great statesman to see this resolution is flawed. Indeed, one can be a mediocre statesman and see that. And yet, a large number of our fellow nations apparently are incapable of seeing that. Truly a pity. One can only guess what chaos exists for them domestically, if they act so foolishly in international affairs.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

If only it read "all INTELLIGENT beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence," and protected intelligent life instead of life in general, we would surely support this resolution. As it is, it seems to be, well, terrible. Should the resolution pass, as it very well might, we will have no choice but to simply interpret it as meaning "intelligent life" as opposed to all life, even if this was not the original intent. We will also protest the submitter.

Office of the Prime Minister

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We wish we could support this Resolution, since we think the intention is very good. But it's just worded too poorly. If literally applied, it would prohibit physicians from administering antibiotics....

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The phrasing doesn't just enforce veganism and prohibit antibiotics. It can be interpreted as anti-choice for abortion, and as pro-death-penalty for infractions! Following this proposal, we'd be like the Shakers, who believed that all procreation was wrong, and died out!

I tend to vote yes on civil rights/human rights issues, and am in fact a vegetarian, but I'm voting A BIG FAT NO on this one.

I agree but i dont agree on abortion

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we must keep this at the top!

I also am quite surprised with the votes being so lopsided on, obviously, the wrong side. If people bothered to read the proposal, they would quickly realize that it is badly written and because of this, it's meaning could be misinterperated as a mere human rights action. However, it extends far past it's supposed intention and could be the cause of great discontent.

I vote a big NO on this issue and plead whoever has voted yes on it to reconsider their submition and vote accordingly.

i am unclear what this proposal will effect. Will my country no longer be allowed to commit euthanasia? Or how about abortion? This proposal must be clarified with its intentions

Frankly, this resolution doesn't force veganism on anyone. It forces people to not eat anything.

We must fight this proposal with all our might. I've TGed a few voters supporting it and suggest you do the same.

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We shall fight it on the beaches!
We shall fight it on the landing fields!
We shall fight it on the hills and on the streets!
And we shall never surrender!

I have sent an urgent wire to the originator of this resolution as well as several regional delegates and all UN members in my region intelligently explaining the utter stupidity of this resolution.

I urge every other state to do the same.

We Jedi may respect all life (except for diseases), but that doesn't mean we accept this terribly worded resolution. We love our banthaburgers, too! Furthermore, we intend to withdraw from the UN if this resolution passes. That is all.

Don't worry. I'll pass the Legalize Eating resolution.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
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Don't worry. I'll pass the Legalize Eating resolution.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
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What will we eat?

Unless there emerges considerably more opposition to this resolution within the next few days, Redonda will start massive livestock slaughters and crop hauls ahead of this resolution coming in effect in order to feed our population until a Legalize Eating resolution is passed. Failing that, we will have to withdraw from the UN by Jan. 1 due to lack of food.

This resolution is a disgrace and proves that the UN is becoming a power-crazed nanny state which threatens the sovereignity of all its members. There is only one way to defeat this hypocritical and unworkable resolution and that is to ignore it. Over 1000 nations have voted against it and those that have voted for it are NOT nations which wish to care for 'the right to life', but rather nations which will in one way or another gain advantage from it. The resolution itself is deliberately vague and designed so that an elite few of liberal superpowers can victimise anybody who stands up to them, while other nations - equally guilty of breaking these 'laws' - get away with it because they haven't crossed the bleeding-heart mafia. For the sake of justice, anyone who has voted for this insane resolution withdraw or change your vote now. It threatens us all.

Don't worry. I'll pass the Legalize Eating resolution.

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What will we eat?

The flesh of traitors.

if everyone is saying that they will vote against it, then how come it has many more people agreeing with it then going against it??

i mean there are like 4666 vote for and only 1416 against

Come one we need more people, i will not give up my food!

As I said before, there is no need for mass walkouts if this shambolic 'resolution' (or excuse for one) is passed. Simply, we must all ignore it.

I recently received the following wire from The Republic of Spoffin who has 14 endorsements:

"Argh, four telegrams on the exact same damn thing. If this is organised between you to make people change their minds, rethink the way you're going about this, and change your mailing list!

*Withdraws vote to stop the spam*

PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS

CC: Letila, Bat Leth, Redonda, Fantasan."


THE LOBBYING IS STARTING TO HAVE AN EFFECT!!!

If this is passed the nation that spawned this farce will be destroyed.

Stored energy can only last so long. We are in deep trouble. The counterresolution is our best bet.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TEA1WL6tIGQC:w1.150.telia.com/~u15008589

This resolution would definitely not prohibit the use of antibiotics. Anything requiring the use of antibiotics is clearly a threat to your health, and is therefore not protected by this resolution...

I am voting against it, though, because of the above point and a few others

Actually, bacteria and virii are both living organisms. This resolution states that (the government) can bring no harm to any living thing, and bacteria and virii both fall under that catagory, regardless of the damage they can do themselves. (In much the same way that this resolution forbids Capital Punishment)

Quote from the actual Resolution: "That they may live as they see fit as long as they do not cause harm to another."

Like I said, bacteria requiring the use of antibiotics are clearly a threat to your health and as such are not protected under this resolution. Since there is nothing capable of killing a virus without killing the host of the virus, we don't even have to talk about them.

Along this same lines, capital punishment is also not prohibited by this resolution. Anyone on death row was found to be guilty of harming another person in one way or another, so the resolution would allow it. Abortion can prevent harm as well. While we're at it, not eating that delicious steak would eventually cause you harm. You could fairly easily argue this resolution into nothingness. You're all way too concerned about nothing

If a counter resolution fails our last option is all out war.

I knew it would work. My TG is helping. TG others.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
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Greetings:

I have sent a request to United Middle-Earth to respond to the criticisms and make a case for the resolution.

However, I did see that United Middle-Earth made somewhat of a defense earlier. It may be located here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88365&highlight=

While giving some explanation, what concerns the Royal Commonwealth is how United Middle-Earth interprets its own resolution. Indeed, it is very clear that the resolution is exceptionally vague and broad. It is also clear that United Middle-Earth, when faced with this, "interprets" the resolution to follow its own political ideology, and the diversity of the UN nations' positions be damned.

Consider the following quote from United Middle-Earth: "There are two more resolutions that are being Retro-Amended of a sort to include ALL (Key word), that is the Sexual Freedom resolution, and the Gay Rights resolution. The former resolution asks for sexual privacy within one's home out of reach of the state...and the latter asks for recognition of marriages and unions from the government. Don't get me wrong these were very VERY good resolutions that were much needed.

But, I do have to say that our simply stated yet very effective proposal, asks for the banishment of the archaic Government usage and practice of sexual categorization based on bias. The government should not have to recognize a gay marriage for example, because with the passage of our proposal such a thing would not be allowed a categorization, marriages between to life energies is all it should be considered...a union, a marriage, that's all. Not a gay marriage, or straight marriage. The bi-lateral recognition only breeds hatred, prejudice, bigotry and is only good for creating a schism between people.

I have brought this to the floor now, because looking at the proposals that are pending approval from MEMBER Nations, and Regional Delegates alike, the sense of this attitude of hatred and inequality is the norm for these nations, and if they feel that way great, but they should be asked to step down from UN member status."

Take special note of that last sentence: those who have a different political ideology than United Middle-Earth "should be asked to step down from UN member status." Perhaps I am mistaken, but the international community is not of one ideology. This is merely ideological imperialism on United Middle-Earth's part.

Ironically, it seems that in order to stop "hatred, prejudice, bigotry" that "is only good for creating a schism between people" is apparently by making a resolution that ensures a schism, both through poor writing and slickly "interpreting" the resolution to mean whatever United Middle-Earth finds acceptable. Vote against the resolution.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Upper Scandicanada's got your back; we like our meat up here.

Greetings:

I have sent a request to United Middle-Earth to respond to the criticisms and make a case for the resolution.

However, I did see that United Middle-Earth made somewhat of a defense earlier. It may be located here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88365&highlight=

While giving some explanation, what concerns the Royal Commonwealth is how United Middle-Earth interprets its own resolution. Indeed, it is very clear that the resolution is exceptionally vague and broad. It is also clear that United Middle-Earth, when faced with this, "interprets" the resolution to follow its own political ideology, and the diversity of the UN nations' positions be damned.

Consider the following quote from United Middle-Earth: "There are two more resolutions that are being Retro-Amended of a sort to include ALL (Key word), that is the Sexual Freedom resolution, and the Gay Rights resolution. The former resolution asks for sexual privacy within one's home out of reach of the state...and the latter asks for recognition of marriages and unions from the government. Don't get me wrong these were very VERY good resolutions that were much needed.

But, I do have to say that our simply stated yet very effective proposal, asks for the banishment of the archaic Government usage and practice of sexual categorization based on bias. The government should not have to recognize a gay marriage for example, because with the passage of our proposal such a thing would not be allowed a categorization, marriages between to life energies is all it should be considered...a union, a marriage, that's all. Not a gay marriage, or straight marriage. The bi-lateral recognition only breeds hatred, prejudice, bigotry and is only good for creating a schism between people.

I have brought this to the floor now, because looking at the proposals that are pending approval from MEMBER Nations, and Regional Delegates alike, the sense of this attitude of hatred and inequality is the norm for these nations, and if they feel that way great, but they should be asked to step down from UN member status."

Take special note of that last sentence: those who have a different political ideology than United Middle-Earth "should be asked to step down from UN member status." Perhaps I am mistaken, but the international community is not of one ideology. This is merely ideological imperialism on United Middle-Earth's part.

Ironically, it seems that in order to stop "hatred, prejudice, bigotry" that "is only good for creating a schism between people" is apparently by making a resolution that ensures a schism, both through poor writing and slickly "interpreting" the resolution to mean whatever United Middle-Earth finds acceptable. Vote against the resolution.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Magnificient speech. You put it better than I ever could.

All we need now is for all those nations, who were clouded enough by the pleasant and seemingly harmless wording of the proposal, to read the cases against it and indeed what UME itself has to say for itself, and then see if they still want to support it. Some may, but my instinct is that if they thought about it the vast majority of nations would reject it.

I continue to be amazed that nations would support a resolution that so goes against their citizenry's capacity for survival. Did those delegates who voted for this resolution not consult with their nations' legal experts regarding this resolution?

It's resolutions like this that make me wish that Sassafroon could ignore UN directives, because we feel a strong responsibility to contribute to the global community. However, we of course cannot, or the UN will send in its horde of killer demon monkeys to enforce it on their terms, and I know that none of my citizenry would prefer the rule of the demon monkeys to the apologetic rule of its own government, with the possible exception of those few poor souls suffering from mental delusion.

Afgncaap, Adjunct to the Head Clerk of Sassafroon

We are preparing to go to war to prevent this resolution. We are not ruling out a nuclear attack on the creator of the resolution.

Looks like Redonda will have to start importing food from non-UN members, as this resolution doesn't expressly ban eating food that's been killed outside of the UN members' territories. We are also looking into concluding contracts with adjacent non-member states to slaughter our livestock for us, though we still have to consider the legal implications of slaughtering on our own territory those livestock that have killed innocent grass leaves.

However, we nevertheless continue vehemently opposing this resolution. However, it seems we are preaching to the choir, as none of the supporters of this resolution have bothered to make their way to the forum. Guess they're too busy starving themselves to death.

So will we. There is an undisclosed number of Letila-controlled nations.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
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We are preparing to go to war to prevent this resolution. We are not ruling out a nuclear attack on the creator of the resolution.

While we respect and understand the strong concerns from New Kingman, we request that talk of war be minimized. Let the debate go forth with arguments. We will all have to deal with the consequences, one way or the other.

Moreover, as the Royal Commonwealth learned from hard experience, it is not wise for smaller nations to make such grandiose threats. Let the debates continue. Let the military option be considered later.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

United Middle Earth is even smaller than my nation. I am prepared for war though.

We are preparing to go to war to prevent this resolution. We are not ruling out a nuclear attack on the creator of the resolution.

While we respect and understand the strong concerns from New Kingman, we request that talk of war be minimized. Let the debate go forth with arguments. We will all have to deal with the consequences, one way or the other.

Moreover, as the Royal Commonwealth learned from hard experience, it is not wise for smaller nations to make such grandiose threats. Let the debates continue. Let the military option be considered later.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, “Peace! Peace!” -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!

I continue to be amazed that nations would support a resolution that so goes against their citizenry's capacity for survival. Did those delegates who voted for this resolution not consult with their nations' legal experts regarding this resolution?

It's resolutions like this that make me wish that Sassafroon could ignore UN directives, because we feel a strong responsibility to contribute to the global community. However, we of course cannot, or the UN will send in its horde of killer demon monkeys to enforce it on their terms, and I know that none of my citizenry would prefer the rule of the demon monkeys to the apologetic rule of its own government, with the possible exception of those few poor souls suffering from mental delusion.

Afgncaap, Adjunct to the Head Clerk of Sassafroon

Here's hoping the demon monkeys can be defeated by guns, lightsabers, and fighter jets, not to mention psychic powers and ninja stars.

Looks like Redonda will have to start importing food from non-UN members, as this resolution doesn't expressly ban eating food that's been killed outside of the UN members' territories. We are also looking into concluding contracts with adjacent non-member states to slaughter our livestock for us, though we still have to consider the legal implications of slaughtering on our own territory those livestock that have killed innocent grass leaves.

However, we nevertheless continue vehemently opposing this resolution. However, it seems we are preaching to the choir, as none of the supporters of this resolution have bothered to make their way to the forum. Guess they're too busy starving themselves to death.

Would we not have to leave our territories ourselves to eat the food for whatever bacteria may be on the food?

But we won't be allowed to kill the demon monkeys, because they'll be protected by this act.

(What's the convention for the UN forcing its member nations to act? Are we just assuming that the member nations are meek and obedient, or is there some stated reason that we cannot rebel beyond game mechanics? I figure, demon monkeys is as good as anything else.)

I have appealed to the nations of ZyzoxII to vote against this resolution.

I am doing what I can to change people's minds. I've TGed dozens of people.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
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they cant force me not to eat, my farmers and herders will continue doing what they do. They can eject me from the UN but my nation will certainly have food, despite what the UN says!!!!!!

I suggest that if this resolution passes, that someone comes up with a "counter resolution" to allow us to eat meat!!!

this bans eating anything because everything we eat is living, including plants! my citizens are fat, but not fat enough to survive this for long!!!

Everyman, women and child has the birth given right to have the basic three elements, Free Healthcare, Equality and Education. Rockfort It's Government and its people stand for democracy and the basic right of human beings, no matter what their Religion, Race, Ethnic Background or any other factor by wich they may face negative discrimination.

Liberty and Justice for All.

Barry Burton
Rockfort Ambassador to the United Nations

I humbly request permission to speak...

We in the Republic of Little orange kittens have grown increasingly disturbed by the tenor of rescent resolutions brought before this body.

Most give over almost total control of a nation by either the UN itsself or other nations who might exploit the loopholes left in the resolution. Some, like the current item, are well intentioned, but are so vague that they can be read to deny a nation's very existance.

It seems to us that proposals need to be more thoroughly vetted before they are made to this body as this body has shown a complete willingness to act like a flock of sheep.

When do we as a body call an end to this madness?

Alright, my nation also stands up for all HUMAN rights and doesnt allow cruelty for animals, but from the looks of things you are one of the people who didnt read into this resolution. The way it is written you cannot kill plants, bacteria, virus, or animals. So how do you plan on eating if you cant kill anything? i really dont see what your little speech was about, it didnt really address the issue at hand.....

that last rant was addressed to Rockfort, just to let you know. i am not trying to flame bait, i just think he is one of the people who didnt read this resolutions fully

I am preparing to sell artifically produced biscuts that were produced in a germ free environment. NOTHING was killed to produce them, although they taste terrible, i am just trying to prepare for the terrible future that is coming down on us

I am fed up with all these FREE THE PEOPLE! and other hippy, tree hugging, pot smoking, proposals. In the Dictatorship of Campanama we have been forced to get rid of our huge and profitable slave trade and child labor camps all due to the evil resolutions of the Slave trade. Due to these resolutions people have died and lost their only means of life leading to massive suicides. I can understand indirectly killing my people but when you directly tell me my citizens cant eat i get angry. This is overstepping the boundrys of the UN and therefore I will vote against this resolution and get others to do the same.

Ya know i havent agreed with alot of the resolutions passed by the UN but i could live with them. This resolution is absolutely ridicolous, and if it passes I am leaving the UN and i will encourage others to do so.

never have i seen such protest against a resolution, but how is it winning right now? Who is actually voting yes????

I would like to know also heathervilla. I can't believe anyone is voting yes on this, I personally am lobbying the nations in my region to vote no. I hope all of you are doing the same.

i really don't think this was meant how it's going to put into effect. It was probably put out by a person who doesn't know legalism and by all life meant all sentiant life. Or he/she could've meant since it protects all life protecting your own life by say eating isn't covered. However we must vote based on how the law is worded not how it is meant.

Although it's rouglhly 5 to 2 for the resolution, we can still win. Most of those who have voted yes likely do not understand the full implications.

:idea: Therefore I implore all of you to Telegram as many Delegates as you can, starting at a random point within the list (so that we don't all send telegrams to the same 12 nations).

Only send well constructed and conscice arguements, so that the nation's leaders will read and consider them. If you do not feel up to par, the perhaps quote another nation on this issue (but be sure to indicate who and from where you are quoting).

I wired a couple nations already, hopefully they all listen to us and change their votes. I have been watching the votes and a couple times i have noticed it go down so some people are listening, lets keep up the work!

trust me I and many other UN nations are lobbying against this in my home region. I also have my puppets in other regions trying to conveince people to vote no

There are other issues at stake besides food, no pun intended.

For a view as to how this delibitates crime prevention, taxes, and basic laws widely considered to be fundamental to maintianing a successful nation, see my state's post on page 1 of this thread.

If you stand for medicine, see posts regarding antibiotics.

If you allow abortion or euthanasia within your nation, this resolution endangers those rights.

Well if this passes I dont think there is going to be much of a UN left since i think many nations will leave instead of starve to death.

Here's the newest numbers concerning this UN resolution:

Votes For: 4986

Votes Against: 1825

As a relatively new member of the UN, I'm surprised so many are blindly voting and not taking a good look at the wording of the resolution. This resolution bans my people from eating! If anything, my whole country would be forced to become frutarians, who eat only vegetables that have fallen off the branch or vine naturally (Poor carrots, they have been murdered!) This is ludicrus, and food shortages would lead to starving mobs causing mass mahem. I will vote against this issue, and try to persuade others to do the same.

==+The Most Serene Republic of Sarcastic Muppet+==

Indeed, i will be gone before my people starve, i can tell you that. :evil:

I am not going to rest until this resolution is overturned. I am going to do everything in my power to convince people not to vote in favor of this. I can't believe people aren't taking a good look at this. The UN is doomed if this passes.

Where is the creator of this cursed thing? He needs to come forth and explain what this is supposed to mean! THIS RESOLUTION MUST FAIL!!!!! :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

Here's the newest numbers concerning this UN resolution:

Votes For: 4986

Votes Against: 1825

This is substantially better now. It was 4800 to 1500 for a while, so it looks as if the lobbying has been effective.

It seems that this resolution is in direct conflict with an earlier UN Resolution - "Keep The World Disease-Free!" as well as some others, possibly.

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

They've reached 5000 :evil: We need to get all of our friends to join us in the rally cause, we cant let them get more votes, we need to get them to switch their votes

They've reached 5000 :evil: We need to get all of our friends to join us in the rally cause, we cant let them get more votes, we need to get them to switch their votes

Simply go through the list of delegates who have voted for the resolution and politely suggest that they change their votes. As far as this Commonwealth is aware of, its efforts have changed the votes of about a dozen delegates.

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

I wired a telgram to many of them pointing the flaws out of this insane proposal and asked them to reconsider their vote. Lets hope they listen :(

The UN will lose a lot of older members who understand what this resolution means if it passes

The votes for it have drops slightly.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!

Woohoo! They are Back below 5000, which means in the last 20 minutes they lost over 20 votes! Our efforts are working. Lets keep the good work up! :D

Is this resolution a game breaker? If allthe nations that stay in the UN starve to death, won't NS simply evaporate as a game? Will the mods actually enforce this res. if it passes? This is a way of having everyone commit suicide, unless somebody has totally synthetic food available to sell to all of us and make an incredible fortune. Hmmmm....

I just wrote a form letter:


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Greetings fellow UN member!

I noticed you have voted in favor of the UN Resolution "Equality For All: A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights." At first glance, it seems like a helpful Human rights resolution. My friend, I must tell you it is not!

Look carefully at the wording of the laws that would be enacted under this Resolution:

"-All living beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence."

This is not limited to Human beings, but to EVERY living thing, including plants, animals, and any other source of food for human beings. It also prohibits doctors from perscribing antibiotics to kill living bacteria.

The resolution continues:
"That they may live as they see fit as long as they do not cause harm to another. In simpler terms "Live and let live." If a nation employs slaves for labor for example, we submit that they must end the practice or leave the UN voluntarily."

"Live and let live" is particularly vicious in this context. To quote The 510 Techcropolis:

"In addition to the inability to use antibiotics and other serious issues generated by the wording, there is a very sinister clause that is being overlooked (above). This single sentance voids thousands of laws and legal regulations world wide. If a person drives 70 mph infront of a school (until they hit a child), or does not see it fitting that they pay any taxes, or manufactures explosives and leaves them where children or criminals can get them, then they will have done nothing that the government can find fault with, according to this resolution."

The premise for "Equality For All" is a fallacy. It is worded in such a way as to deny people the most basic Human right: Life. Please reconsider your vote in favor of this resolution.
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Am I missing any big issues? Please feel free to correct any mistakes I might have, and use it yourself to lobby other countries.

There are other issues at stake besides food, no pun intended.

For a view as to how this delibitates crime prevention, taxes, and basic laws widely considered to be fundamental to maintianing a successful nation, see my state's post on page 1 of this thread.

If you stand for medicine, see posts regarding antibiotics.

If you allow abortion or euthanasia within your nation, this resolution endangers those rights.

It also effects industries that indirectly interact with forms of life. My Nation's already devastated mining industry will be virtually eliminated.

The passing of this resolution means the death of all nations. For without the ability to harm living things, we cannot combat bacteria. We cannot even eat, without killing cells whether it be plant, human, fungi, or whatever else.

My country has a thriving Beef-Based Agriculture Industry. If this passes we will have our legs cut out from under us.

how can the mods let us UN nations starve to death? If this passes then by law, any UN nations will slowly starve, unless they spend trillons to import all their food from nonUN nations

My country has a thriving Beef-Based Agriculture Industry. If this passes we will have our legs cut out from under us.

Indeed. Cowes profits mainly from its Cow and Beef Industry. This Commonwealth can't think of a single aspect of life that wouldn't be affected in some way by this resolution. Destroying the food industry would lose jobs, make a rise in crime, require money that the government doesn't have, etc etc.

We're still behind by 3000 votes though. Complaining about the problem isn't going to do anything - Cowes submits that the nations against this resolution must keep lobbying if we wish to kill this resolution.

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

If i have to withdraw from the UN to save my people i will, but I might attack unitied Middle Earth in revenge, whos with me???

We'll help you. The goa'uld and whittier don't seem to care too much about the threat we pose to them, so we can spare some forces. I'm TGing as many people as possible.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
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Our lobbying is working. They are ONCE AGAIN below 5000! :D Lets keep it up, We can definitely get this denied, we are gaining support, our votes are going up and theirs oare going down! Come on people lets keep it up!

when does voting close on this issue?

If i have to withdraw from the UN to save my people i will, but I might attack unitied Middle Earth in revenge, whos with me???
They'll die anyway unless they leave the U.N. if this is passed. If not I'll gladly join in the attack. My 14 mill won't do that much but it's a start.

I bet I know their plan. They ban food and then leave the UN, killing it off. It's brilliant. The voting ends the 19th so we have 4 days.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
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he only has 50 mil, so he wont be so tough. On topic though i cant believe this resolution wasnt deleted, it dooms our nations to starvation. it must be stopped

Plenty of time to have this denied. Especially now that there are a large group of nations lobbying.

Cowes' pitiful group of 6 Million are at the disposal of revenge against United Middle Earth.
Perhaps more useful in a war would be the 57 million cows.

-Brian Wells, Enviromental Advisor
The Commonwealth of Cowes

a pathetic nation of 50mil is going to doom the whole UN if he isnt stopped, we must not fail

My 14 millon will do what it can, no one will take me that seriously though. Isn't the majority supposed to rule over the minority and the needs of the minority supposed to outweight the needs of the few (it may only be computer-generated but still). We must stop the tail from wagging the dog.

We have 280 million people. I think we can help a lot. That nation thinks it's so clever. "If we ban eating, they'll starve. All we have to do is make it look like a liberal resolution," they must be thinking. Well, it just won't work. They took advantage of the naïveté of the UN, but it will come back at them.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
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I am still realtively new to this. How exactly does this war work and will it punish this insane nation for making this stupid Proposal?

Here's a suggestion. How 'bout we immediately make a counter-proposal whose sole purpose is to repeal this resolution. Call it something like (Repeal the "Starvation For All" resolution (aka the Equality for All resolution). I'd endorse such a proposal immediately.

Here's a suggestion. How 'bout we immediately make a counter-proposal whose sole purpose is to repeal this resolution. Call it something like (Repeal the Starvation for All resolution (aka Equality for All)). I'd endorse such a proposal immediately.
Doesn't work, no repeals process in place, I tried that for world heritage list and I was told by a mod to refrain from changing game mechanics. I didn't consider it as such but I guess there have never been repeals before and it would set a precident.

Here's a suggestion. How 'bout we immediately make a counter-proposal whose sole purpose is to repeal this resolution. Call it something like (Repeal the "Starvation For All" resolution (aka the Equality for All resolution). I'd endorse such a proposal immediately.

The position of Cowes is that a new proposal should be made that is just human rights - not living things' rights. It should clearly replace this. That is, if this is replaced.

Cowes would certainly support a human rights act that declares all HUMAN BEINGS are equal.

-John Taylor, Prime Minister
The Commonwealth of Cowes

We are losing ground again. I've TGed the cause and hope he realizes what to do.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

Here's a suggestion. How 'bout we immediately make a counter-proposal whose sole purpose is to repeal this resolution. Call it something like (Repeal the Starvation for All resolution (aka Equality for All)). I'd endorse such a proposal immediately.
Doesn't work, no repeals process in place, I tried that for world heritage list and I was told by a mod to refrain from changing game mechanics. I didn't consider it as such but I guess there have never been repeals before and it would set a precident.

Well, it wouldn't exactly be a repeals process. Basically, it's a resolution that supercedes it, and renders the previous resolution null and void. I mean, this resolution is doing the same thing to previous resolutions, isn't it? So if this one passes, it sets a precedent to having itself be overridden.

Here's a suggestion. How 'bout we immediately make a counter-proposal whose sole purpose is to repeal this resolution. Call it something like (Repeal the Starvation for All resolution (aka Equality for All)). I'd endorse such a proposal immediately.
Doesn't work, no repeals process in place, I tried that for world heritage list and I was told by a mod to refrain from changing game mechanics. I didn't consider it as such but I guess there have never been repeals before and it would set a precident.

Well, it wouldn't exactly be a repeals process. Basically, it's a resolution that supercedes it, and renders the previous resolution null and void. I mean, this resolution is doing the same thing to previous resolutions, isn't it? So if this one passes, it sets a precedent to having itself be overridden.
Now a purposal that directly repeals another isn't allowed. This is a blanket resolution so it's fair under the rules. Anyway this resolution is applied in conjuction with all the other resolutions passed on this issue.

Here's a suggestion. How 'bout we immediately make a counter-proposal whose sole purpose is to repeal this resolution. Call it something like (Repeal the Starvation for All resolution (aka Equality for All)). I'd endorse such a proposal immediately.
Doesn't work, no repeals process in place, I tried that for world heritage list and I was told by a mod to refrain from changing game mechanics. I didn't consider it as such but I guess there have never been repeals before and it would set a precident.

Well, it wouldn't exactly be a repeals process. Basically, it's a resolution that supercedes it, and renders the previous resolution null and void. I mean, this resolution is doing the same thing to previous resolutions, isn't it? So if this one passes, it sets a precedent to having itself be overridden.
Now a purposal that directly repeals another isn't allowed. This is a blanket resolution so it's fair under the rules. Anyway this resolution is applied in conjuction with all the other resolutions passed on this issue.

So, what say we drop the word "repeal" then. :P

Seeing as I'm getting spammed for supporting the resolution, I'll put this where more people can see it.

On page 16 of the proposal list, there's an amendment that will close the loopholes in this resolution. If, by the time you read this it's no longer on page 16, the proposial is called "Clarification of Equality" and limits the current resolution in scope to only cover sentient beings, unless an individual nation decides to expand the protections within their own borders.

Chances are you'll never stop this reolution from passing, so instead of whining about it, support it, and the clarification proposal so that it can be passed as soon as possible and we can all stop spamming eachother.

What if we call it "Freedom of Eating"? That would be a good resolution, except it would support cannibalism......

We could call it the "Legalize eating act".

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
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The resolution has my approval. :)

Chances are you'll never stop this reolution from passing, so instead of whining about it, support it, and the clarification proposal so that it can be passed as soon as possible and we can all stop spamming eachother.

Right, we'll support something we're against just because we might not be able to defeat it. :roll: If that sort of stance were to be taken on a regular basis, we could throw democracy right out of the window. While I do agree we will probably lose (yay, cynicism) and a clarification proposal should be supported, just giving up on the fight is a bad idea.

Xagon, I'm against this resolution because it is very poorly worded. A supporter of "Equality For All" argued that eating and fighting bacteria is considered self-defence and is therefore not banned, but since self-defence isn't properly defined the whole resolution is moot. Laws against Homosexuality can be interpreted as self-defence of Morality, laws in favor of slavery can be in self-defence of the Economy, etc etc ad nauseum.

Chances are you'll never stop this reolution from passing, so instead of whining about it, support it, and the clarification proposal so that it can be passed as soon as possible and we can all stop spamming eachother.

Right, we'll support something we're against just because we might not be able to defeat it. :roll: If that sort of stance were to be taken on a regular basis, we could throw democracy right out of the window. While I do agree we will probably lose (yay, cynicism) and a clarification proposal should be supported, just giving up on the fight is a bad idea.

Better plan: oppose this resolution, and support the clarification one, so that even if we fail, we can have the resolution amended.

Seeing as I'm getting spammed for supporting the resolution, I'll put this where more people can see it.

On page 16 of the proposal list, there's an amendment that will close the loopholes in this resolution. If, by the time you read this it's no longer on page 16, the proposial is called "Clarification of Equality" and limits the current resolution in scope to only cover sentient beings, unless an individual nation decides to expand the protections within their own borders.

Chances are you'll never stop this reolution from passing, so instead of whining about it, support it, and the clarification proposal so that it can be passed as soon as possible and we can all stop spamming eachother.
How long till it gets put up for vote? Months? Sorry everyone will be dead before it comes up for vote.

We are gain votes faster than they are. It's 5071 to 2103.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
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I just got a telegram from one of the delegates i wired telling them about this proposal and he has said he is changing his vote to against. Wiring the delegates does work and this proves it! We can get this oveturned, Wire the delegates taht voted FOR and tell them about this horrible resolution.

I must have sent 50 telegrams already. I have changed a few people's minds.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

The fact that this is the next resolution to be proposed (and that it seems so likely to pass) has made it clear to the people of Beelze that their government made the right decision to choosing to resign from the UN in protest against the "World Heritage" fiasco.

It's at 5168 to 2138 right now. We are still losing.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

It's at 5168 to 2138 right now. We are still losing.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

Well, now it's 5201 to 3157. If we keep this up, we may get the vote more against the resolution by tomorrow night! :D

I'll just bump this post

This resolution would definitely not prohibit the use of antibiotics. Anything requiring the use of antibiotics is clearly a threat to your health, and is therefore not protected by this resolution...

I am voting against it, though, because of the above point and a few others

Actually, bacteria and virii are both living organisms. This resolution states that (the government) can bring no harm to any living thing, and bacteria and virii both fall under that catagory, regardless of the damage they can do themselves. (In much the same way that this resolution forbids Capital Punishment)

Quote from the actual Resolution: "That they may live as they see fit as long as they do not cause harm to another."

Like I said, bacteria requiring the use of antibiotics are clearly a threat to your health and as such are not protected under this resolution. Since there is nothing capable of killing a virus without killing the host of the virus, we don't even have to talk about them.

Along this same lines, capital punishment is also not prohibited by this resolution. Anyone on death row was found to be guilty of harming another person in one way or another, so the resolution would allow it. Abortion can prevent harm as well. While we're at it, not eating that delicious steak would eventually cause you harm. You could fairly easily argue this resolution into nothingness. You're all way too concerned about nothing

Bump for topic.

This resolution still needs to be defeated, no matter how well-meaning the author meant, simply for the fact that it is so easily abused resolutions like this just shouldn't be passed.

As for the finer points of the arguemnet, we vote for what's written in the description, word for word, not for what the author say they were "meant to mean", but for what is written there in BLACK AND WHITE.

So this resolution needs to be defeated, vote it down people.

The wording is intentional and correct Please visit the following forums page for understanding.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88365

Respectfully,
Emperor Dalith

Give me a break. We all know your true motives...

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

The wording is intentional and correct Please visit the following forums page for understanding.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88365

Respectfully,
Emperor Dalith

Your logic is flawed, INSECT.....Your species cannot survive with simply knowing the intention....and therefore you will cause the end of the human race should this resolution be PASSEDDDD...
With regardsss to the argument that the resolution allowssss self-defence.....

The only WORDS which imply this are "That they may live as they see fit as long as they do not cause harm to another."....however, even in self-protection you insects still do harm upon the bacterial forces that plague your world....

The proposal is still strong. It's 5230 to 3283. We have 3 days to stop it.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

Do Not Over-Analyze this, you must not look into this resolution too deeply it means exactly what it says...

Some have mentioned that there are resolutions that have been put in place that address some of the issues, I disagree.

The End Slavery resolution had been specific to declare the following:
..."I propose that the following human rights "...

I'm sure you have noticed that more then just some nations in this cyber-created world aren't even human fiction or non, real or imaginary who’s to say here? I have seen nations inhabited by talking beasts, vampires, elves, dwarves, (such as ours)...We feel that our nation is not under the protection of the past resolution and this is an amendment to that.

Also,

There are two more resolutions that are being Retro-Amended of a sort to include ALL (Key word), that is the Sexual Freedom resolution, and the Gay Rights resolution. The former resolution asks for sexual privacy within one's home out of reach of the state...and the latter asks for recognition of marriages and unions from the government. Don't get me wrong these were very VERY good resolutions that were much needed, but, I do have to say that our simply stated yet very effective proposal, asks for the banishment of the archaic Government usage and practice of sexual categorization based on bias. The government should not have to recognize a gay marriage for example, because with the passage of our proposal such a thing would not be allowed a categorization, marriages between two (in some cultures more) life energies is all it should be considered...a union, a marriage, that's all. Not a gay marriage or straight marriage. This bi-lateral recognition only breeds hatred, prejudice, bigotry and is only good for creating a schism between people.

I have brought this to the floor now, because looking at the proposals that are pending approval from MEMBER Nations, and Regional Delegates alike, the sense of this attitude of hatred and inequality is the norm for these nations, and if they feel that way great, but they should be asked to step down from UN member status.

Our great nation, like many that you would find congregating in many regions, have more then just a human populace if any inhabit them at all, and we are member states of the UN, and wish to be recognized as well. Even the category of the proposal states Human Rights...well those rights need to extend to ALL...human or otherwise.

For those nations that think that the wording is incorrect, first I ask again do not over-analyze this proposal. The individual governments have the rights to a degree of flexible interpretations and the UN therefore must be careful not to become too specific in details and not allow for such interpretive rights.

However, we understand your confusion, and to clarify, the language need not be changed. For the simplicity of the original wording is exactly what you want it to say. The key word is BEINGS. The choice of that word is not accidental, it was used after I researched the many definitions of the word and the following best commutes that meaning:

Being (Be"ing), n.
2. That which exists in any form, whether it be corporeal or spiritual, actual or ideal that understands and has a sense of "being v." acknowledges its existence and that of others; living existence, as distinguished from a thing without life; as, a human being; spiritual beings.
2a.Sentient

I believe also that the meaning of harm is simple. Every nation has it's own moral beliefs and if sex in the streets is not harming anyone then so it may be. However, if your government is ruled by a religous leader or follow a religous doctrine, well then sex in the streets may be viewed as someone infringing on the rights of those who do not wish to see that sort of thing and can be viewed as harmful to them. Such things are up to the individual government. Harm is again a word that was researched and the following definition was common from many different sources.

Harm (härm), n.
1. Any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.
5. Inflicted mental distress with measurable results such as psychological and or physical apparitions.

Again, the definition was explained above, and unless the nation is inhabited by or ruled by a species that is sentient (ie., talking cows, vampires that become bats, or insert creature here) then I don't see how animal rights activists can use this proposal for meat consumption banning. In fact I personally find animal activists to be hypocrites in the sense that they ask to ban meat eating but some species are carnivorous by NATURE, and is needed for their survival including most animals, and being that sentient species such as the human race for example, are technically animals... then they must respect that fact of NATURE. Human beings, on the other hand, are NOT by nature cannibals, although some societies live and thrive as such the killing of their own species is widely considered immoral, but that is not what I should be getting into.

As to the concern of anti-abortion activism, this cannot be used to abolish or outlaw abortion. For one thing it is not proven scientifically when the fetus gains the consciousness needed to be considered a sentient being, and although it is a life force, it's a life force created by the mother and father, and as such can be reabsorbed into the maternal life force, in fact all life can be said to return or be absorbed into the metaphysical cycle. Therefore again the answer to your question is no.

I hope to have answered all your questions in a courteous manner. Feel free to contact me directly if you wish me to address any other concerns.




Respectfully,
Emperor Dalith

I've already warned dozens about your plan and have changed several people's minds.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

Your intentions are good but you did not put your definition into your resolution thus leaving it way open for interpretation.

All I'm saying, is that if this poorly worded, silly resolution passes, I'm resigning. This piece of legislature is INSANE.

And U-M-E, I've read your over-posted defense over and over and it just doesn't hold with me, you needed that IN the resolution but because you didn't it will prevent us from cutting down any trees to build anything at all and feeding our livestock. If you wanted to abolish slavery, you should have put that specifically in the rsolution. We're not overanalyzing, that's the first impression I got when I read it. You needed to be more specific. Many a well-intentioned congress bill got struck down because of a lack of definitions.

Wow Middle Earth, you sure made a strong point there :roll: (Being Sarcastic). WE know your trying to talk your way out of it now, but you wrote it and its not wrote clearly enough therefore it needs to be shot down.

The Commonwealth of Cowes recognizes some faces on the AGAINST list that the Comonwealth telegrammed. Indeed, this is working.

It's now 3686 - 5487. We might have a chance yet!

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

Were only down by 1769! Thats not much compared to yesterday. We can pull this out. Most of my region has decided to vote against it. I think we ca get this overturned if we keep up the work.

I shall also be voting NO on this insane resolution. I shall not give up eating hamburgers, or chicken, or poached salmon, which is what I would have to do if this passes.

My friends,

This may be a side-point, but what precisely is a "life-force"? According to Middle Earth's posts, anything which is a "life-force" qualifies under this ridiculous resolution.

Our Civil Service-Science functionaries recently found the DNA of an ancient species in preserved amber. Is this amber a "life-force"?

What about a flame - it reproduces and consumes. Is it a "life-force"? (This would seem to prohibit fire brigades.) Yet this is a minor point - the entire proposal is flawed, and as we have seen, an amendment is not guaranteed to pass.

We may ban abortion and euthanasia, but we do like our beef and penicillin. Our nation's Paranoid Parliament has ordered our ambassador to resign if this resolution passes, and to abstain from the United Nations until an active proposal to amend the resolution is put to a General Assembly vote.

Eamon P Fitzcarraldo
National UN subfunctionary

I have to agree. This resolution is insane. Can they really be serious? Respect all life? Even roaches, bacteria, embryo's, cows, etc? Sure, lets not poison or guard crops.... we wouldn't want locusts and mice to get hurt....

And what about plants? Aren't they alive too?


This whole thing is just absurd and it is obviously coached in sneaky language.

I am TGing more people. Soon, everyone will know of the danger. Many are quite oblivious, though.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

The UN is broken... and the majority of nations are either unable or unwilling to fix it. And so the people of Beelze feel that all freedom-loving nations who do not wish to bow down to this corrupt body and give up their sovereignty as nations should resign their posts and make it clear that these nations are united no more. As has too often been the case, this has become a case of "democracy... whether you like it or not."

If we cannot effect change in this united nations, then let us unite elsewhere, or not, in such a manner that does not encroach upon the rights of other nations and their peoples. Whatever strength the UN has comes from our tacit support of it. Stop supporting it and will cease to provide a means for petty idealogues to force their screwed up ideals on the rest of the world.

I have TGed even more people. We can still turn this around. We just need to work at it. It is currently at 5519 to 3850.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

i refuse to live and agree with a world that says i cant have a chicken kebab after a night on the tiles because the little chickens have equal rights! cmon people, sure human right perhaps, lets not kill humans, but how many people in this world have never swatted a fly or stood on an ant?

i decline this proposal because its my hunger, its my stomach, its my gun, ITS MY RIGHT.

Here's another problem, the average person eats 7 spiders in their sleep throughout their lifetime (the spiders just crawl in, and gulp). That would mean we'd all be guilty of this resolution irregardless. For certain, that was not an act of self-defence, but we violated the spiders' right to live.

It's currently at 5684 to 4131. We need to keep up the good work. This resolution can still fail and I will see that it does. My TG's are working. It wouldn't hurt to TG some people as well. I didn't get anyone on the upper part of the For list so you could try TGing them.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

Equality in general is a bad idea. You NEED to establish some hierarchy.

We do need to keep up the work, we are closing the gap slowly but surely.

I have been TG'ing people as well....I am working the lower half now as I tg'd most of the upper half last night.

There's a fundamental dichotomy in what United Middle-Earth proposes. We are to respect all life -- but we are not to acknowledge its diversity.

Look at the last line of the proposal. Governments are not to be allowed to use terminology concerning sexuality.

This means that if someone in the government, say, a clerk of the district courts, notices that homosexuals are getting murdered four times as often as heterosexuals despite making up less than 50% of the population... the clerk can't report that fact.

This means that if an agent in the government housing authority (if your nation has such a program) notices that heterosexuals don't qualify for federal housing aid as often as homosexuals... the agent can't report that fact.

This means that if a census worker notices a mass exodus of homosexuals from cities or even from the nation... the census worker can't report that fact.

Eliminating information collection only ensures that bigotry will not be detected.

The Community of Dendrys implores all member nations to vote against this resolution, regardless of their feelings about the question of "being," on the grounds that an Orwellian stance against information collection is not an acceptable side effect to the protection of life.



Respectfully submitted,
Nialle Sylvan
Speaker for the Trees

Equality in general is a bad idea. You NEED to establish some hierarchy.

False.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

So a bum has equal rights as the ruler of the country? He should be entitled to have full-time bodyguards?

Ideally, there would be no ruler. Hierarchy is inherently bad. This is getting off the main point of this thread, though.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

Having no leader leads to anarchy and conflict and ultimate destruction.

Now, I wonder if the mods/program will actually make it so that UN members start starving to death rather quickly. That would be great, as all of us against starvation could opt out for a couple weeks and then rejoin the UN, which would then have no more resolutions like this one.

The United States of Tamzeria are strongly opposed to this resoloution after looking at it in more detail. Sure it seems to be about human rights, but does that mean the right of nudists? (disgust) to parade around. You'd have to be mad, or a nudist to vote for this resolution. Tamzeria refuses to have nudists, snails, sea cucumbers or any other form of rodent as a member of its government. Do you "really" want snails and nudists in power? :oops: : :x

We could all role play a mass invasion of a county that submits a proposal we don't like.

The United States of Tamzeria are strongly opposed to this resoloution after looking at it in more detail. Sure it seems to be about human rights, but does that mean the right of nudists? (disgust) to parade around. You'd have to be mad, or a nudist to vote for this resolution. Tamzeria refuses to have nudists, snails, sea cucumbers or any other form of rodent as a member of its government. Do you "really" want snails and nudists in power? :oops: : :x

or nudist snails

We have closed the gap to within 1500-keep up the work, folks.

This resolution needs to be struck down. As well intentioned as its author is, it is too vague and, thus, can be interpreted several ways.

The way to cheat it is to just declare that someone or something is not living or does not exist.

That isn't necessarily so, OP. Let's get back on topic. The votes are now 5676 to 4192. The gap is 1484.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

This resolution is inadequate to be considered as a government policy.
"We propose that all nations under the UN charter respect the very essence of life and vow to preserve and protect it, in all its many forms whether human, or otherwise."
What does it mean? Do we have to protect chickens and/or all meat we eat?Then what will we eat?
The Holy Rebuplic of Sabanci University declares his vote as no.


Imad Abdulhafiz
Vice President
Minister of International Affairs of The Holy Rebublic of Sabanci University

The Nation of New Christopia is amazed at the stupidity of some of the UN members. My country and I cannot believe that either the majority of the countries in this organization feel they have the power to tell their fellow nations that they cannot eat meat and use products that preserve life, or that so many of you do not read these resolutions.

New Christopia has no problems with granting its citizens and living organisms the right to live, however, New Christopia's Supreme Chairman decides, not the UN. He is the Father of our Nation.

This resolution is poorly worded and infringes too much on a nation's singular rights.

New Christopia declines to give its support for this resolution, and asks that every sane and intelligent member of the UN does the same.


Speaker.

NC is quite correct. 90% of the UN seems to be to dumb to breath if they support this proposal. That was not a flame.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

I am an anarchy in which people are equal. I believe in rights, but this going to far. Cyborgs and bugs dont have the same rights as humans. Also i allow woman the choice of the pregency, i couldnt do that here. I allow the death penalty, no legal here. I classify people as hetrosexual or homosexual or bisexual, i use these words but these people have all the rights as other people, they are just words, but they describe a person's views, and i will not cut these words out of my language. Either this resolution goes down or i am leaving the UN!

We are currently hoarding food in case this resolution passes.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

we are currently preparing to flip off the UN and withdraw from it if this resolution passes. We are not flipping off the member nations, just the crazy resolutions

The Commonwealth of Cowes is stockpiling beef and milk for sale to UN Nations if this resolution passes.

Votes For: 5726

Votes Against: 4263

Amazing what a bit of lobbying can do, isn't it?

-Frank Linneman, UN Ambassador
The Commonwealth of Cowes

*quietly* Can we expect the United Nations to serve us if we don't serve the United Nations?

Campaign against the resolution; debate the resolution; oppose the resolution; but if you leave, you're just doing the same thing as the nations that vote without reading. You're undermining the good the UN could do by refusing to involve yourself.


Respectfully,
Nialle Sylvan
Speaker for the Trees

I am protesting this in all regions that my nations are in, but i will not, cannot stay in a orginaztion that will force me to change my whole government veiws. How can I stay when it hurts my people? i will not withdraw until seconds before it passes, if it passes

I am TGing even more people. I've TGed almost all the recent voters for the resolution.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

We expect that both leaving the UN and staying in the UN if the resolution passes would have adverse effects, but it is the position of Cowes that letting its people starve is simply not worth working within the UN.

-John Taylor, Prime Minister
The Commonwealth of Cowes

Is it possible to do a resolution to strike an earlier resolution?

Wouldn't you be doing good for your nation AND others by staying and supporting a resolution to strike this one, if it passes?



Respectfully,
Nialle Sylvan
Speaker for the Trees


~edit: *applauds Letila heartily*

If this resolution passes, UN nations can turn to Dairy Products for sustenance. However, milking cows may cause discomfort, so that could be against this resolution. Either way, I suggest quickly upping the number of cows and cheese makers in your nation, to prepare for the worst. Hopefully, it will not come to that.

We plan to seek non UN nations for food, and will refuse to accept the resolution if passed. Citizens are squashing bad bugs in protest as we speak.

The way I read the FAQ-no. It involves the game mechanics.

If this passes, we have to write a new resolution that either amends the current one (an amendment is in the que) or negates it.

Upon closer inspection of this resolution, we have decided to chage our vote to against the resolution. Though we of Scardias Athem agree with the spirit of the resolution, we also agree that the language of the proposal is somewhat vague. If the proposal is resubmitted under different wording, we will revote on the issue.

Ok, folks, I have to go back to the real world for a while. Keep up the fight. We are making progress.

This resolution must be struck down.

The way I read the FAQ-no. It involves the game mechanics.

If this passes, we have to write a new resolution that either amends the current one (an amendment is in the que) or negates it.

So, could we propose a resolution to define "being" in a way that means "human beings who have not done anything under their nation's laws to limit their own rights, and such other beings as the nation elects to protect" and rescinding the Orwellian last paragraph of the current resolution?


Respectfully,
Nialle Sylvan
Speaker for the Trees

Well, since this resolution, which defies so many previous resolutions, could pass, there should be no reason that a resolution that defies this one couldn't be passed.

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

It is ridiculous, unfair and a misuse of power for the UN moderators to radomly send out messages of censure regardless of how one votes.... Rigatunia gets these annoying messages no matter how we vote! Either with the majority or against! A question, and a complaint to the moderators and they sent me another one just the same rather than apologizing or looking to see what their problem was. So, you can argue all you want...

It upsets me that I will have to withdraw from the UN just to save my peopl :evil:

Thank you, Cowes.

Heathvillia, that's why we're here -- to see what we can do to stop from having to let go of those freedoms, protections and privileges that go with being part of the United Nations.

Rigatunia, perhaps you are mistaken; I don't believe any moderators are sending out statements of support or opposition?

If your concern is with those nations sending messages as campaign for or against the current resolution -- it is not only our right, but our responsibility, to see that adequate information is provided to delegates with votes. If you find that harmful or harrassing, perhaps there is another person from your region that would like to serve as delegate.


Respectfully,
Nialle Sylvan
Speaker for the Trees

This resolution is violating it's own charter. If we all have a right to life then why is it forcing us not to eat, or cure disease, and therefore die?

To all fellow nations currently involoved in this crazy debate. I would like to show that the Rupublic of Sir Chard will be voting against this so called "Human Rights" bill.

As i am to believe, the bill proposes equality towards all life, human or otherwise? This would logically invlove annimal life as many have you mentioned. Therefore i fear that this resolution would bring about the end of animal testing for medical and personal needs. May I ask how many of you here have ever used a beauty product (hair gel, shampoo, etc?) or ever needed medical drugs? Who demands that they should have the best medical services around? We all take for granted that chilbirth is relativly safe, although uncomfortbale. But if a problem should arrise...is it not medical drugs that are administrated? Thus progressing, is it not medical assistance we require under any slight problem we have? On the personal side...do we not take for granted the hair spray we use. The lipstick the female species uses etc. I fear that the passing of this bill could ring the end for animal testing, and therefore the very basic things we take for granted.

I urge you all strogly to vote against this legislation of equality. Instead of giving basic human needs, it may end up taking them away from us.

Sir Chard

thank you for supporting the cause Sir Chard

We are currently hoarding food in case this resolution passes.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

As are we. We are stockpiling food at military bases and will use police stations as distribution centers. Food will be rationed if the resolution passes.

hey cheese doesnt involve killing anything, so does this mean it would be legal? or do we have to raise our aninmals and wait for them to die naturally before we eat them?

Are any of you TGing? I am.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

some, i am tging soe

Good. We can beat this thing if we keep up the good work. The gap is closing slowly.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

I have voted against this madness and have hopefully convinced others in my region to.
Why on earth does it have the majority?! Where are all the supporters for this stupidity?

The lobbyists at the Commonwealth of Cowes have been TGing nearly non-stop

Votes For: 5791

Votes Against: 4460

It's a 1331 difference. We're getting there.

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

I hope my barrage of TG's has been effective. It apparently has. I've even added an anti-EFA message to my sig.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

i agree, the plan is ridicolous. i run my country, i can treat it how i want! i can pick on races, destroy them, even create my own master race, o wait, alreddy dunnit! :twisted: i feel that it is a proposterous decsion, n may quit the UN if passed. i feel 2 many of these stupid decisions r bein passed, n we hav 2 stop it!
lukus

The vote is 5813 to 4534. The gap is 1279.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

It's 5900 to 4708. We have a 1192 gap. We might just win this. We need help, though. Keep up the TG's.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

god i have spent so much time fighting this, I have tripled my number of posts just talkng about this issue. my TG efforts have gotten a few delgates to vote against this, every little helps people

I've gotten at least 100 posts talking about it. We have a gap of 1144, now.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

Now to close the gap and beat this thing.

I must say, I was lured in by the title and concept of the resolution, and didn't look all that critically at the text. Everyone here has pointed out just how out of line this resolution really is, and I am forced to change my earlier decision.

The actual laws that would come from this resolution would be sheer madness. Human rights are definitely something to fight for, but I will not support a resolution that claims to enrich human life, but will only aid in defeating it.

I thank every one of you for showing me just what I was about to endorse.

James Brunot
UN Ambassador
The Democratic States of Sexistan

no problem, there are many probably like you, if only they read the forums they would see the harm this resolution cause.

Gap of 1138!

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

Anyone notice this resolution does not state ADULT sexual preference, or CONSULTING sexual preference. This UN bill makes pedophilia and Rape laws impossible. I Say, Veto the Bill until its adjusted to these changes!

Very true, Rimmen.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

oh my god, thats a loop hole i hadnt even considered yet! The way this written all sick sexual preferances are legal! Rape, pedophilia, necrophilia, and all can be done in public!

It is the opinion of myself and those I serve that this proposed resolution could have terrible consequences if enacted. I have reviewed my earlier vote and will be changing it to a negative. I feel much sadness that the great democratic systems that are the base of the U.N. could be used to allow this clear waste of time to pass. This proposal, "Equality For All" is a massive infringement on the staple rights of U.N. member nations and could lead to massive negative implications in a variety of fields, including the scientific, the educational, health and welfare, economics/commercial and industry at large.

I plead with other nations that this proposed resolution does not come to pass, it is an irrevalent paper waster that would give human rights to just about every organism on the planet. Like ebola, or rats and roaches. If this proposal is allowed to pass, or appears to be, I will immediately with draw myself and my nation from the U.N. body, and ambandon all those who vote for it to pass to their fate.

I ask you do what is clearly right, good day.

A concerned Rep of Komokom.

This resolution should be put in its proper place .. THE BIN .
if it was worded better, maybe, but under the premise of this writing, it should be dumped.
If this is allowed to pass, we will all starve and wither.. no food, means no population, no pop means no nothing.
DUMP IT BEFORE ITS TO LATE.
Regards
The Pegenerator Of The Federation Of THE MATT- DUCK.
By The Grace Of God And The South Pacific ( Delegate )

Thank you MATT - DUCK, your delegate votes are really going to help.

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

thanks you for your help, your vote greatly helped the cause

We have a gap of 601! Keep up the good work.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

Greetings:

As a precautionary measure, the Royal Commonwealth has decided to stockpile food and other supplies in our non-UN affiliated dominions. Other member nations, in particular those that are smaller and newer to interntational affairs, are welcome to stockpile with them as well. We consider these dominions as somewhat autonomous bodies, and the resolution will therefore have no effect there.

Thankfully, it seems the maragin is closing. Rationality may succeed. Keep up the fight!

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Hell's Patio region is voting against it. Its bad for us as well as everyone else.