NationStates Jolt Archive

Can I tell my brothers to stop using nationstates for 28 days, it's just they go on it on my computer.

Well, for the same reason as so many others we (4 friends) got just expelt from UN.

I could imagine that it is becouse of the IP adress/es.

The reason why they´re the same could be that we use most of the time the same computer networks, meaning the 3 we have in the fraternity where we live & study together that are linked together, or the ones in the computer laboratoryes at the campus.

Is there any way to profe that we´re difrent persons, like posting or beeing logged in at the same time from difrent locations or something like that?

I mean we could always make new Nations & join with them the UN but I don´t think that that would be right neather for the game, since thye would only be used to check the UN & vote, or for us who we´re neather guilty or even intrested in having other nations to care about.

Also there where several other nation in our region that got kicked out for the same reson, at the same time, but our NS group had nothing to do with them.

We would realy apretiate a feedback or at least someway to work this out

Utopia Pacifica
World Corporations
Antartica Southern Cross
Star Titan

I noticed in this region a regional happening: "Regional Bans expired"

Do UN bans expire like regional ones? :confused:

No. UN bans are a form of punishment for rule-breakers; region bans are a gameplay mechanic used for fun.

And region-bans only expire in Warzones.

Interesting...So if I created a region with the word warzone in it, the regional bans would expire in taht region?

Also, I have noticed that several regions have no founder!! Can thsi position be eliminated, or does it disappear after teh founder ceases to exist? thanks!!

OK, I'm really sorry if this question has already been asked, but I don't have much time to read everything.
Are people allowed to control several nations, provided only one(1) is in the UN??
I know of a few people who would like to create nations entirely different to their main ones, but don't want to risk their main nation being ejected...
Please help me!

Interesting...So if I created a region with the word warzone in it, the regional bans would expire in taht region?

Also, I have noticed that several regions have no founder!! Can thsi position be eliminated, or does it disappear after teh founder ceases to exist? thanks!!

Some regions were founded before regions mods give regions founders.


Shinzawai - You can have a million nations, but only one in the UN

Cool, thanks a lot for that

That's interesting I guess...

My friend logged in from my computer one time, and I was ejected. Whenever I login to NS it automatically pulls up his nation, which is/was a UN member. How do I get rid of his cookies or whatever keeps logging him in? I only have one nation, The Republic of Chaiim, and was the UN delegate for Israel. Please tell me what to do.

I've had that problem several times, and the only way I seemed to be able to get rid of it was to reset my internet system...There are probably other ways to do it...I own a Mac, and with a simple click of a button it erases all websites that were accessed from a certain point in time...

If you have IE then got to tools, Internet Options & then delet History.

Or you can get a small program called "SmartBuster" who will erase all the unnecesary stuff, like cookies, temp internet files,... .

If one of your nations is ejected, then you make about 10 new nations, can you put a new nation into the UN? As kong as there is only one...

If one of your nations is ejected, then you make about 10 new nations, can you put a new nation into the UN? As kong as there is only one...

Yes, as long as only one is in the UN it is fine.

I saw that the nation "Youstandmystand" ceased to exsist? Why? Rules violation?

Rules violation, or not logging on for 28days.

My nation got banned becasue of some rule they said, Haveing more then one UN Member, when i only had one un member and another nation that wasnt, :headbang: i think it was a missunderstanding. How do i contact the game mods????@?@?@?@?@????

Use the "via helppage" link under FAQ. Plead your case there. Its hopeless though. I had one nation in the UN nad was ejected for the same reasons. They don't listen...Nothing you can do.

You might have had a friend over who was in the UN...You both got on on the same IP address and you were both ejected...

Um. My school has a proxy server, so me and my friends are all behind the same IP, (But use different ones at home). Is this cause for expulsion? j/w...

It's usually safer to not login from a place with a joint IP, like a school.

Um. My school has a proxy server, so me and my friends are all behind the same IP, (But use different ones at home). Is this cause for expulsion? j/w...
Yes...You may do it when your nations are not in the UN, bt as soon as two of them are, you may want to stop doing it...Your nations will be ejected from the UN.

Um. My school has a proxy server, so me and my friends are all behind the same IP, (But use different ones at home). Is this cause for expulsion? j/w...

It doesn't not matter; there is no way to verify whether or not what you say is true. Don't log in from public computers; it's the safest way to keep your nation alive and kicking.

I just recieved a telegram that I had multiple nations in the UN. My wife & I both use the same computer but we have different e-mail addresses. This is worse then the federal marriage penalty for taxation purposes. Your system is flawed. I have complied but I am extremely displeased with the way this system & the UN is run.
Your moderations are obviously biased in their own politics & have admitted in several forums that they cheat. Using Puppett nations to bolster their arguments in forums & such.
I scream bad form & good riddens.

I just recieved a telegram that I had multiple nations in the UN. My wife & I both use the same computer but we have different e-mail addresses. This is worse then the federal marriage penalty for taxation purposes. Your system is flawed. I have complied but I am extremely displeased with the way this system & the UN is run.
Your moderations are obviously biased in their own politics & have admitted in several forums that they cheat. Using Puppett nations to bolster their arguments in forums & such.
I scream bad form & good riddens.
Well, if you're going to play "MOD CONSPIRACY!!!", then I'm sure nobody will mind that you've left.

If you haven't left, what better sort of system would you propose they use for the UN? I'm sure if the mods heard a useful alternative to what they currently do, they would implement it.

[QUOTE=Neo-Anarchists]Well, if you're going to play "MOD CONSPIRACY!!!", then I'm sure nobody will mind that you've left.
Good lets leave it at that then.

I just recieved a telegram that I had multiple nations in the UN. My wife & I both use the same computer but we have different e-mail addresses. This is worse then the federal marriage penalty for taxation purposes. Your system is flawed. I have complied but I am extremely displeased with the way this system & the UN is run.
Your moderations are obviously biased in their own politics & have admitted in several forums that they cheat. Using Puppett nations to bolster their arguments in forums & such.
I scream bad form & good riddens.

I find it ironic that you call out the moderators for being 'bias' when you yourself are the one throwing out accusations without any sort of solid proof. You were ejected from the UN because you have the same IP address as your wife (using the same computer). The moderators can't see through your computer screen, to tell that there are two people. If the moderators trusted the person in question, every time they used that excuse (not saying you're lying, just showing you how abusive it could get), then too many people would claim their sister, mother, brother, father, uncle, and niece joined on the same computer, and are all in the UN.

I find it ironic that you call out the moderators for being 'bias' when you yourself are the one throwing out accusations without any sort of solid proof. You were ejected from the UN because you have the same IP address as your wife (using the same computer). The moderators can't see through your computer screen, to tell that there are two people. If the moderators trusted the person in question, every time they used that excuse (not saying you're lying, just showing you how abusive it could get), then too many people would claim their sister, mother, brother, father, uncle, and niece joined on the same computer, and are all in the UN.
I was not ejected I left on my own accord when I recieved the telegram Thank You.
My proof was in a forum that ran last week on puppet nations. One of the moderators admitted to participating in this practice.

My proof was in a forum that ran last week on puppet nations. One of the moderators admitted to participating in this practice.
When people talk about having puppets, they aren't usually talking about using puppet nations to support their views on the forums. There are plenty of legitamate uses for puppets, such as being involved in more than one region, or trying out a different government style, or for moderators possibly testing or some moddy business might require having puppets(I thought I saw TMGH use a puppet for something or other when degriefing a region once). I somehow doubt that the mod in question was talking about using puppets for a purpose like the one you describe. I cannot seem to find the thread you were referring to, unfortunately.

i was rejected from the UN because of numerous logins by a friend who plays this game from my house. i am on a network so my IPs should match. Charaters = Silky Johnson and Deathbot

there is a character named TBOTE who i suspect reported it just becaue he was not able to become delegate in my reigon (for lack of endorsements) but thats ok with me. its really up to my friend if u want to re-enstate him but as for me i request to be reinstated. thank you again in advance

its really up to my friend if u want to re-enstate him but as for me i request to be reinstated. thank you again in advance

UN nations ejected for rule violations are not reinstated; you or your friend will just have to create a new nation, join the UN with it, and not share the same computer/IP address ever again.

Hi, I just started playing in the past week and am still very green (as I can be seen floundering around several lists asking questions). Looks like I might have done something questionable so I just want to provide full disclosure since I was justed voted region rep (I have not gotten any warnings or anything I just want to check in).

A few days after I started I went home for this past weekend and showed my brother who then wanted to start his own (Dopefiendland). For a period of a day and a half we were using the same computer. I was already a UN member from a different ISP and he did not even choose to join the UN for a few days after becoming a nation (but has since endorsed me).

Clearly this is not something that will happen again after seeing this list. Next time I am home I won't be logging in!

As I saw pointed out elsewhere, it is true that more than any other group siblings are restricted the most by the rules. C'est la vie I suppose... I have already warned my other brother who started yesterday at his own apartment, (we are all of university age, 2 living in different apartments but sometimes go home the same weekends to where the other lives).

So in sum we all joined and play from different ISP's but two of us very briefly shared the same one (my initial scan of the faq was to the understanding you just couldnt apply from the same computer until I saw this thread). And since it was one line dial-up we often took turns consequtively to save time so I am surprised your robots did not take notice from their description. I'll resign from the UN and reapply if it is deemed absolutely necessary by a mod to clear the air... but I would have been voted delagate yesterday regardless of my brother from other support. As stated it will not happen again.

Hopefully full disclosure can help avoid future misunderstandings by others as well.

So this is it? The UN is off-limits for those using shared school computers? Or if you let your friends check their nations at your computer?

I don't know about you others, but I never saw any warning this would happen. If they had I could've stuck to my own computer and not let my friend use it.

OK
I want to know why was my nation ejected from UN?

I don't have any other nations no matter Un memebers or not.

I've been logging in mostly from internet clubs, but I don't think that someone else would regulary log in after me on the same computer.

Before June 30th I was logging from computers at school and so did my classmates but ever since we have not logged in from a same computer and you can see that if you check it.

I don't think there's a reason to be ejected from UN that's why I woud like it if you check again.

OK
I want to know why was my nation ejected from UN?

I don't have any other nations no matter Un memebers or not.

I've been logging in mostly from internet clubs, but I don't think that someone else would regulary log in after me on the same computer.

Before June 30th I was logging from computers at school and so did my classmates but ever since we have not logged in from a same computer and you can see that if you check it.

I don't think there's a reason to be ejected from UN that's why I woud like it if you check again.
Anyone else coulda used the same club to access UN nation, so you look the same. Same with all your school buddies. Why you have gotten ignored in the past? "The mods cant be everywhere at once."

The best advice is to only use your PC for a UN nation, never a public one. Regular (IE, non-UN) should be fine from a public PC, but never use your UN from one.

-snip-

There's absolutely no way for us to tell that there are different people behind the computer, especially at public computers, so unfortunately, we can't know for sure that it isn't you using multiple UN nations (not saying you have multiple UN nations, just letting you know our point of view).

~The Modified Freedom Forces of Euroslavia
Nationstates Forum Moderator~

First sorry for the double post - the net was sucky.

Second - If you check you can see that the nations that may have logged in from the same IP as me, may have done it no more than a few times just as coincidence and after that they have logged from different IPs lots of times.
So these cannot be my nations.

First sorry for the double post - the net was sucky.

Second - If you check you can see that the nations that may have logged in from the same IP as me, may have done it no more than a few times just as coincidence and after that they have logged from different IPs lots of times.
So these cannot be my nations.

Doesn't matter. Like I said before, it's impossible to tell whether it was you logging in with all of these nations, or if it was multiple people. The moderators use multiple methods at detecting UN Multis, which are convincing enough, especially when more than one of the methods confirms it. We don't have a camera within every computer to tell us that the log-in's were different people.

~The Modified Freedom Forces of Euroslavia
Nationstates Forum Moderator~

My nation is Gogis, from the AFCS. I have been ejected from the UN because I am supposedly guilty of having more than 1 nation in the UN. This is incorrect! I have one other country yes, Phucowie, that is a recruiter nation in the West Pacific. It is NOT in the UN. When I started NationStates, I was visiting my sister in Indiana who told me about the game. They have a home network with 5 nodes and perhaps this is the reason I was ejected. If so, this is an error. I am back home now and will log on from MY home network or from MY work network. Please reinstate me to the UN and bring back my endorsements. I repeat, I do not have another nation in the UN. Please advise.

i'm so angry!... the mod. kicked me off of UN... but i only have one nation total! So i don't know how it's possible for there to be "evidence" against me!

i'm so angry!... the mod. kicked me off of UN... but i only have one nation total! So i don't know how it's possible for there to be "evidence" against me!

Ask yourself the following questions:

1. Does anyone in your household play NationStates and do they have a UN nation?

2. Has a friend with a UN nation logged into NationStates, possibly to show you their nation?

3. Have you logged into another NS's computer to show them your nation?

4. Have you, or are you, using a public computer?

If you answered yes to one of the above statements, that is probably how they detected you. The NS system does not know who is logging into the computer, and into NS. It only knows what IP address you are using. The system thinks you are the same person trying to use more then one nation in the UN. To rectify the problem

~Try using a computer that another NSer in your household won't use
~Don't let your friends log into NS on your computer
~Don't log into NS on a friend's computer
~Avoid public computers in libraries, cyber cafés, etc.

i got 2 computers home but they are connected to each other with LAN. might that cause any trouble? i already got a warning. or is it a technical bug?
(i have no other accounts or friends logged in or used a public computer. neither have i never used my account anywhere else)

Has more than one UN nation logged onto NS on your LAN? This can be the cause of the problem.

Ask yourself the following questions:

1. Does anyone in your household play NationStates and do they have a UN nation?

2. Has a friend with a UN nation logged into NationStates, possibly to show you their nation?

3. Have you logged into another NS's computer to show them your nation?

4. Have you, or are you, using a public computer?

If you answered yes to one of the above statements, that is probably how they detected you. The NS system does not know who is logging into the computer, and into NS. It only knows what IP address you are using. The system thinks you are the same person trying to use more then one nation in the UN. To rectify the problem

~Try using a computer that another NSer in your household won't use
~Don't let your friends log into NS on your computer
~Don't log into NS on a friend's computer
~Avoid public computers in libraries, cyber cafés, etc.



How can we follow these suggestions if we are already kicked out? My brother and I both got kicked out because we work from the same computer. We wouldn't mind only having one UN nation until I go off to college in the fall and will be using a different computer or using different computers now, but there is no way we can get back in and try any of these options.

How can we follow these suggestions if we are already kicked out? My brother and I both got kicked out because we work from the same computer. We wouldn't mind only having one UN nation until I go off to college in the fall and will be using a different computer or using different computers now, but there is no way we can get back in and try any of these options.
You can create another nation and put the new one in the UN.

I get that if several people are using the same computor that you might be kicked out of the UN for having more then one member nation. But several friends of mine use the same computor and they werent kicked out of the UN. I occasionally check my nation over there, but i am for the most part checking it at work. why was my nation singled out? Several other gatesville nations were ejected as well at the same time I was. So my question is, was this really about multi-playing or something else?

You can create another nation and put the new one in the UN.

...I've had two nations on NS for months now: The Stics, as well as Those Dismissed Issues... I don't want to have to wait months to get back to where I am now:headbang: . The stics WAS the regional delegate and Those Dismissed Issues has never been in the UN... but for some reason The Stics was ejected. The only possible way I could think this occured (and it occured after me having used The Stics multiple times at school) was that I was using it on the same computers as others at school. Since my school uses one schoolwide network, would all the computers there have the same IP? It is also possible that after I left the lab someone else could have got on the same computer and logged in though almost certainly this wouldn't have happened on a steady basis... It may have happened multiple times if you looked at it through the ENTIRE SCHOOL YEAR which of course would happen because the IP adresses dont change and in that long a time im sure people that use NS regularly would have gone through most of the school computers.... but the school year ended 2 weeks before you banned me..., though I am sure my friends have logged onto nation states on computers next to mine...but because they have been accessed simultaneously at two different places wouldn't that prove they aren't mine?... Any way these peoblems could be fixed?... also... I still have no idea exactly why I was banned.. as u could probably see from above... I'm disappointed.......... can anything be done now.....

Ask yourself the following questions:

1. Does anyone in your household play NationStates and do they have a UN nation?

2. Has a friend with a UN nation logged into NationStates, possibly to show you their nation?

3. Have you logged into another NS's computer to show them your nation?

4. Have you, or are you, using a public computer?

If you answered yes to one of the above statements, that is probably how they detected you. The NS system does not know who is logging into the computer, and into NS. It only knows what IP address you are using. The system thinks you are the same person trying to use more then one nation in the UN. To rectify the problem

~Try using a computer that another NSer in your household won't use
~Don't let your friends log into NS on your computer
~Don't log into NS on a friend's computer
~Avoid public computers in libraries, cyber cafés, etc.


So if you said yes to one of those things and you got rejected and youre not cheating in any way, how do you get unrejected? Is it a 'tough luck' or a 'wait till the mods get to you' kinda thing? I started a thread about this before seeing it, and nothing got done there. Seriously, are you guys just going to shrug pretend like nothing happened or what?

So if you said yes to one of those things and you got rejected and youre not cheating in any way, how do you get unrejected? Is it a 'tough luck' or a 'wait till the mods get to you' kinda thing? I started a thread about this before seeing it, and nothing got done there. Seriously, are you guys just going to shrug pretend like nothing happened or what?
99 times out of 100 a nation that has been ejected from the UN will not be getting back in, however there is nothing stopping you from creating a new nation and joining the UN with that one.

May I ask all you friendly mod-type persons a question? If two UN players have two different computers, but share an ISP connection via a router, would that be seen as multiing? I thought I saw somewhere before that it's not seen that way, but I wanted to make sure.

I thought I saw somewhere before that it's not seen that way, but I wanted to make sure.
I thought it was in one of the FAQs, but apparently not. At least not somewhere obvious.

The prohibition is against playing on the same computer, not the same home or office network. People indiscriminately toss out the acronym "IP" like it's some sort of mantra, but our methods are more discriminating than simple IP checks.

Ask yourself the following questions:

1. Does anyone in your household play NationStates and do they have a UN nation?

2. Has a friend with a UN nation logged into NationStates, possibly to show you their nation?

3. Have you logged into another NS's computer to show them your nation?

4. Have you, or are you, using a public computer?

If you answered yes to one of the above statements, that is probably how they detected you. The NS system does not know who is logging into the computer, and into NS. It only knows what IP address you are using. The system thinks you are the same person trying to use more then one nation in the UN. To rectify the problem

~Try using a computer that another NSer in your household won't use
~Don't let your friends log into NS on your computer
~Don't log into NS on a friend's computer
~Avoid public computers in libraries, cyber cafés, etc.


1 - No one else in my household plays NS. This is my only nation.
2 - Yes - Me and a friend logged in on our school network at the same time to show nations. (only happened once or twice)
3 - No I have not logged into another NS'ers PC to show them my nations.
4 - Yes - Our school Network. But - We NS'ers tend to use the same com every time so I don't think that this would detect anything.

Can anyone help me get back in the UN? I was delegate and i am pretty upset that i have now lost it!

Can anyone help me get back in the UN? I was delegate and i am pretty upset that i have now lost it!
Your best bet to get yourself back into the UN would be to create a new nation and join with that one.

Your best bet to get yourself back into the UN would be to create a new nation and join with that one.
In addition to getting a new nation, avoid logging in where other people might also log in to their UN nations. If you can login at home, keep your logins to the UN nation limited to there. You can use your older, non-UN to play with at school if you'd like.

I know this probably isn't the forum for it. But is there anyway for just one of those multiple banned nations to get back into the UN? And are they barred from becoming NationStates Moderators in the future?

I know this probably isn't the forum for it. But is there anyway for just one of those multiple banned nations to get back into the UN?A player who has had their nation ejected from the UN can rejoin by creating a new nation.

*shrug*

Who needs the UN anyway?

--Scolo
Ex- UN member

I'm sorry, but that's the best thing I have ever heard.:D :rolleyes: :p