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The following is two years worth of random (and largely no-longer-relevant) commentary, split from Ejected from the UN? Here's why (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=274575) on 31 March 2005



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Well, this sucks. None of my friends have used my computer to log in, and this is the only nation I own. If I get expelled, it's ok, I can just oin again, right? But, if this nation gets deleted, I'm not going to be happy. That's unlikly, though, right?

Well, this sucks. None of my friends have used my computer to log in, and this is the only nation I own. If I get expelled, it's ok, I can just oin again, right? But, if this nation gets deleted, I'm not going to be happy. That's unlikly, though, right?

Violet says no, and I trust him.

Exaltion supports this solution. It is clearly the best solution in an imperfect world.

*shrug*

Who needs the UN anyway?

--Scolo
Ex- UN member

Not really griping here (ok, so maybe I am :P ), but I got a notice from this "four different method" detection program that's "hardly" ever wrong and I have only made one nation to date. I live alone, so no one else uses my computer either.

Hell, I'm the regional delegate of the WMNK, and so... It'd be pretty bad if I got booted out of the UN...

this type of id is not acceptable because not everyone in the world has a cc .

there should be a way to identify a user as one individual. like, say social security number. everyone has that.
beleive it or not, only us citizens have a SSN(social security number) so this wouldn't work. this is an international game my freind. :)

this type of id is not acceptable because not everyone in the world has a cc .

there should be a way to identify a user as one individual. like, say social security number. everyone has that.
beleive it or not, only us citizens have a SSN(social security number) so this wouldn't work. this is an international game my freind. :)


Not to mention that some of us are old/xperienced enough to know not to give SS # to just anyone....

beleive it or not, only us citizens have a SSN(social security number) so this wouldn't work. this is an international game my freind. :)

Not true. I am Dutch and definately have one. Probably in a different format than the US one though...

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.

beleive it or not, only us citizens have a SSN(social security number) so this wouldn't work. this is an international game my freind. :)

Not true. I am Dutch and definately have one. Probably in a different format than the US one though...
yes you are probably right. i am just trying to say not everyone has one.
thank you for the correction. i was unaware the dutch had SSN's. i wish i was dutch so i could smoke weed in amsterdam. the dutch rock!!! :D

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

Hey Hey Hey, Violet I think we have a problem here.
I got an email saying I have more than 1 nation in the UN which is total rubbish.
I know that this is impossible because A)Im the only person who uses my computer and B) I only have 1 nation, So its impossible for me to have 2 in the UN.
Have a look an sort this out...Im not Happy :evil:

Yes, what of us poor college students who live in dormitories and have internet access over a LAN, hrm? Is this thing gonna boot us all out, or what?

To all you people who say you use nation states on shared sever such as a school network and you haven't broken the rules I have to call you liars. My friends and I also use our school computers, and NONE of us where kicked from the UN. I also know people (ok there my dad and his mates) who play the game on their work sever and none of them where effected. The game uses factors other than IP address to detect multiple nations so if I where you I shut up and be thankful your nation wasn't deleted.

To all you people who say you use nation states on shared sever such as a school network and you haven't broken the rules I have to call you liars. My friends and I also use our school computers, and NONE of us where kicked from the UN. I also know people (ok there my dad and his mates) who play the game on their work sever and none of them where effected. The game uses factors other than IP address to detect multiple nations so if I where you I shut up and be thankful your nation wasn't deleted.
Except I only have one UN nation.
There is a bug going on. [violet] said so.

To all you people who say you use nation states on shared sever such as a school network and you haven't broken the rules I have to call you liars. My friends and I also use our school computers, and NONE of us where kicked from the UN. I also know people (ok there my dad and his mates) who play the game on their work sever and none of them where effected. The game uses factors other than IP address to detect multiple nations so if I where you I shut up and be thankful your nation wasn't deleted.

Dude, don't blow a gasket. I'm just saying that I hope I'm not gonna get kicked out of the UN for something as silly as being on the same LAN as another Nationstater.

this type of id is not acceptable because not everyone in the world has a cc .

there should be a way to identify a user as one individual. like, say social security number. everyone has that.

A social security number is not something you want circulating around an internet game.

]Icom and Kitsylvania were detected to each be linked to one other UN member (Assassin Domination), on one occasion each. Normally this wouldn't be enough to trigger a warning, but because Assassin Domination appears to be a severe UN cheat (Elite Assassins, Amateur Assassins, Divine Assassins, Assassin Queens, many more), you got highlighted. I'm going to refine the cheatscan software to make sure people in your case don't get caught.

Soooo....I'm not getting booted?

Thank you for the quick reply, [violet]!

Efficiency seems to have been logged in along with about a dozen other UN members (including Amerigo, Yellow Submarines, Blacklake, the New Russia, and Scolopendra) within a very short space of time on April 13, but from all different IP addresses. Not sure what's going on there; I need to investigate further.

Well thats proves it then, because that Aerigo person is a Mod, so how the hell is that possible, plus New Russia and me have been logged on here at the same time having arguments in the forum, so i cant be him aswell.
Tell me what you come up with in your "Further Investigations" because i am not happy at being accused of Cheating. :evil:

...but to those people who use school LANs, like I sometimes do, it may be a concern and worth investigating to see if the LAN uses dynamic or static IP addresses for its connections. Many services, such as some cable modem ones, maintain the same IP for the same computer connection for forever and a day. Some, your IP changes every time you log on.

I can see where this would be a problem... if you logged on as soon as you got home and were assigned IP addy "1" and then logged off... and then another NationStates UN member logged onto the network and was assigned "1" right after you, since you're not using that particular connection.. :?

Hopefully there'll be a way around this and hapless UN members won't be warned or expelled for the shortcomings of their ISPs. :)

And personally, just because some people have problems with these kinds of connections where others don't, I don't see any call to say they're lying, or tell them to shut up. It's a legitimate concern, imho. *quiet glance at Nag Ehgoeg* :roll:

I think the rule sounds fine, except for Siblings. That presents a huge problem. I just think this might be throwing away large numbers of potential players...

I only have one nation but I got the message too. I get my internet through my apartment complex. Is that the problem? How do I prove I only have one nation?

Hypothetically, if one were having problems sending UN resolutions and the regional delegate allowed one onto his account in order to attempt to submit it through that means, wouldn't our differing IPs show clearly that we're not running two UN nations? :P

Bamanation is another one caught up with Assassin Domination: you're fine.

Well, I got the message.
I have quite a few nations, but I only ever signed up 1 nation - this one (I started to join on another nation long ago, but noticed the rule before I finished signing up, & that nation is long gone)
I'm also quite certain I'm the only person on this Internet connection that plays NationStates.

I'm off to check if any other nations somehow got signed up - if so, I smell an easy-to-guess password...Nope, all 3 are fine. :?

Hypothetically, if one were having problems sending UN resolutions and the regional delegate allowed one onto his account in order to attempt to submit it through that means, wouldn't our differing IPs show clearly that we're not running two UN nations? :P
Not clearly, because I don't keep a list of every IP address a nation has ever been accessed from. (I keep a few.) If it was just the one time you probably don't have anything to worry about. But I see it wasn't.

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

I hate the Dutch 8)

Austin Powers :D :D YAY BABY :!:

]Efficiency seems to have been logged in along with about a dozen other UN members (including Amerigo, Yellow Submarines, Blacklake, the New Russia, and Scolopendra) within a very short space of time on April 13, but from all different IP addresses. Not sure what's going on there; I need to investigate further.

Okay, it seems that a particular type of hack attempt can make it look to the cheatscan software that a nation was actually logged on when it wasn't. This appears to have happened in the case mentioned above, where Efficiency was recorded along with Amerigo, Scolopendra, Nianacio, and many others. I think one of the nations tried to crack the passwords of the others. In any case these are not genuine UN violations.

This problem with cheatscan has now been fixed.

]Icom and Kitsylvania were detected to each be linked to one other UN member (Assassin Domination), on one occasion each. Normally this wouldn't be enough to trigger a warning, but because Assassin Domination appears to be a severe UN cheat (Elite Assassins, Amateur Assassins, Divine Assassins, Assassin Queens, many more), you got highlighted. I'm going to refine the cheatscan software to make sure people in your case don't get caught.

thankyou. :D

]Efficiency seems to have been logged in along with about a dozen other UN members (including Amerigo, Yellow Submarines, Blacklake, the New Russia, and Scolopendra) within a very short space of time on April 13, but from all different IP addresses. Not sure what's going on there; I need to investigate further.
Coo. I also noticed that when I looked at the UN resolution, it said that my postion was undecided. Is this a related problem, or something different?

Unrelated.

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D


What is wrong with Americans?

Well, since the main reason for needing to be UN members is now *gone* thanks to founders having control over ejecting griefer players, the need for the Outlands and my wife's nation (accessed by same computer using same ISP) is gone. Ergo, we are both withdrawing from the UN.

BTW - whoever set up the "ejection control" is being elevated to "Deity Status" in the Outlands and in several other Heartland nations.
THANK YOU!

What is wrong with Americans?

Reality TV. 'Nuff said.

I believe that the problem with myself, scolo and beserker, is that we are all in the same building, on a campus network, all log in about the same times, and sometimes from each others computers. I believe we have all resigned from the UN, but I just want to check and make sure that everything is square before we rejoin. Thanks.

Apparently something is quite wrong.

All but one of the UN members in my region got the boot, including our delegate. Why would the admins believe all of us to be ghosts of the sole remaining member? Two of them live together, and thus share a LAN. I live 15 minutes away. The fourth lives two hours away. The only time all of us could use the same machine is if we're at the same off-campus coffee shop, which happens about once a week--and we're active on days other than that night (indeed, I've been here from the get-go)--and all it would take to confirm this is to check the IP logs.

I'm not impressed at this heavy-handed non-solution to a trivial problem.

Well, since the main reason for needing to be UN members is now *gone* thanks to founders having control over ejecting griefer players...

Thank you for making my point.

The new rule change has made the UN irrelevant.

This is now essentially a single-player game.

You are wrong, Beachcomber--players are now free to decide whether or not the UN will be relevant. Nothing requires a regional founder or delegate to restrict access to a region, so those who like to play the game of 'King of the Hill' with regions are free to continue doing so. You will just be restricted to finding willing participants from now on.

Indeed. Why even bother with the UN anymore?

well thats it, i have been accused of doing something that I haven't done, and the only answer i get when i raise the issue is tough, Do you really think people are going to payout money for memberships if this is the attitude of the site admins when problems occur?
No thanks you can stick your Nation States and you can stick your Jennifers Govenment I wont by buying into either.

All but one of the UN members in my region got the boot, including our delegate. ... I'm not impressed at this heavy-handed non-solution to a trivial problem.
Nobody has been booted from the UN! It was a warning telegram.

well thats it, i have been accused of doing something that I haven't done
Mama Troll was caught by the "hack attack" bug. This is described elsewhere, but to summarize: if someone tried to hack your nation, the cheatscan software thought they'd actually logged in as you, and sent you a warning. I've fixed this problem now so you won't get any more warnings, or ejected, or deleted.

Sorry for the false warning, but please stay cool. I'm trying to enforce the rules for the benefit of all players.

]well thats it, i have been accused of doing something that I haven't done
Mama Troll was caught by the "hack attack" bug. This is described elsewhere, but to summarize: if someone tried to hack your nation, the cheatscan software thought they'd actually logged in as you, and sent you a warning. I've fixed this problem now so you won't get any more warnings, or ejected, or deleted.

Sorry for the false warning, but please stay cool. I'm trying to enforce the rules for the benefit of all players.

See? I knew our Admin was good. I put my faith on you! Keep up the good work! :D *But please, can it be no pay? My friends and I have found a lot of fun in this game. It would be a shame if we were banned from paying because we had to pay :oops: *

I've been accused of owning multiple nations and have been told to rectify the situation.
I can safely say that this is not true so is there any way to prove my innocence?

]well thats it, i have been accused of doing something that I haven't done
Mama Troll was caught by the "hack attack" bug. This is described elsewhere, but to summarize: if someone tried to hack your nation, the cheatscan software thought they'd actually logged in as you, and sent you a warning. I've fixed this problem now so you won't get any more warnings, or ejected, or deleted.

Sorry for the false warning, but please stay cool. I'm trying to enforce the rules for the benefit of all players.Fair enough

CEAN'S balance of power and the system of the UN in CEAN has totally been upset. Can [Violet] please do something about this, please?

DB

Oh well, as long as none of us CEAN members get punished for doing nothing wrong, then I'm satisfied. :) [violet], just don't give me a heart attack again! :wink:

I have a problem, my nation has been accused of violating the UN laws. My region told me that I have been ejected from the UN but I am not. Do I have to leave the UN manually to avoid beeing deleted or will my nation automaticly removed? Or will my nation be delatet?

I believe that the problem with myself, scolo and beserker, is that we are all in the same building, on a campus network, all log in about the same times, and sometimes from each others computers. I believe we have all resigned from the UN, but I just want to check and make sure that everything is square before we rejoin. Thanks.

Yeah. *nods*
Oh, nuts, Scolo and I are rooming together next year.
Would this cause problems [violet]?

Anywho, thanks for the hard and good work [violet], keep it up.

This is simply a misunderstanding.
My friends and myself only have access to the internet via the public library.
While we are all online at the same time it would appear that we are all using the same computer or that one person is controlling all the nations.
We have been conversing on the forum for weeks. Do you really think its just some schizophrenic talking to himself?
Also, why have I been kicked out of my region?

what kinda fool thought of checking ip adresses. If use a computer at school then every computer will have the same ip adress because its all under one network. I how you meant to say you also check netmask and all sorts of other crap :evil:

Well, I have two nations, one of which is actually a UN member and one which isn't (and has no plans to be: it's a dictatorship) and I've lost my delegate status for the one that is a member.

Tis not fair I tell ya!

Néchtan Dubh mac Uisdéan
Chief Diplomat to the United Nations

this type of id is not acceptable because not everyone in the world has a cc .

there should be a way to identify a user as one individual. like, say social security number. everyone has that.
beleive it or not, only us citizens have a SSN(social security number) so this wouldn't work. this is an international game my freind. :)

Speak for yourself! :evil: Canadians have a SSN!

What is wrong with Americans?

Reality TV. 'Nuff said.

I'm not saying us Americans are better than the Dutch or the Canadians but a lot of reality tv is based on English, Japanese, or Dutch shows. We just bastardize them :)

this type of id is not acceptable because not everyone in the world has a cc .

there should be a way to identify a user as one individual. like, say social security number. everyone has that.
beleive it or not, only us citizens have a SSN(social security number) so this wouldn't work. this is an international game my freind. :)

Speak for yourself! :evil: Canadians have a SSN!

Canadians have a Social Insurance Number or SIN :!:

What is wrong with Americans?

Reality TV. 'Nuff said.

I'm not saying us Americans are better than the Dutch or the Canadians but a lot of reality tv is based on English, Japanese, or Dutch shows. We just bastardize them :)

Which just goes to show ya that Americans in general are sappy, unimaginative idiots that will watch whatever drivel is handed them. And before anyone flips on me, I was born American...doesn't mean I have to like the mindless sewage being pumped out of the television studios, though.
As for using credit card or SSN's...don't think there is any way to really resolve the issue, unless one can come up with a way of assigning a log-in number to match email address AND IP number.
Polmor'eth

what if people are cussing at you all the time in the forums? for instance::
Kitsylvania

"Quit bitching." when i was simply posting my opinion

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22012

what if people are cussing at you all the time in the forums? for instance::
Kitsylvania

"Quit bitching." when i was simply posting my opinion

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22012

What if said person is sick to death of people constantly bitching that if people are allowed to marry within their own gender than Earth will explode?

what is so wrong with multiple un memberships. If some people are so enthusiastic about being a member, why not let them?

what is so wrong with multiple un memberships. If some people are so enthusiastic about being a member, why not let them?
The problem is that if "multicountry 1" and "multicountry 2" endorse "multicountry 3", then the latter is capable of posting proposals and so forth. Moreover, these multiple UN members then wander about the place hijacking delegacies.

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what is so wrong with multiple un memberships. If some people are so enthusiastic about being a member, why not let them?
The problem is that if "multicountry 1" and "multicountry 2" endorse "multicountry 3", then the latter is capable of posting proposals and so forth. Moreover, these multiple UN members then wander about the place hijacking delegacies.

Just like in real life then?

I, too, only have one nation in NationStates let alone the UN. Has this problem been resolved? If so, will they reinstate the countries that have been booted from the UN? In my area alone, 7 countries have been ousted...

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D



Canada: a loft apartment over a really great party

8) Canada Rocks!! :D

8) Canada Rocks!! :D


I really liked canada and have been proud of the relationship between the USA and Canada but I have to say I was really shocked that they didn't back the USA in the Iraq war.

P.S. I heard some crap about Canada legalizing Pot is that actually ture and if so, WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE, but if not "hey how you doing :lol: "

yes canada rock's thanks

8) Canada Rocks!! :D

Well i´ve never been overseas but as far as i´ve heard (I´m in Scandinavia IRL) it rocks alright. You´re welcome to join EU anyday!


:idea:

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

Where do Brits come in in all this?! :D

Hi, I'm a member of the german politics community dol2day.com. There we also have a one account rule which is very hard (in fact almost impossible) to enforce. Nevertheless it works quite well with only the odd multiple account making trouble. It helps to have a handfull of trustworthy members that are on the lookout for double accounts, suspicious accounts are mailed to the admins an then thouroughly checked. If the suspicion shows to be correct, one of the accounts is deleted.

Where do I report a player who I suspect has several nations in the UN? Is this something I e-mail to admin, or is there a form somewhere on the game that I am not seeing?

I have an idea.

We should allow multiple UN nations, but if they endorse eachother or some other UN related thing with eachother, THEN the bad things will happen to them.

I have an idea.

We should allow multiple UN nations, but if they endorse eachother or some other UN related thing with eachother, THEN the bad things will happen to them.

That's the problem I have with this one person. I feel I have enough evidence that he has multiple nations in the UN, and he is endorsing himself so that he is delgate. I know there's a lot of nations in this game, so I thought I'd find out how to report it to whoever I need to just so I can help make it more fair for other people playing on here.

Where do Brits come in in all this?! :D

Well Britt Ekland is scandinavian too. She rocks just like Scandinavian women very often do! She´s of course also welcome in EU just like rocking Canadians!

/Ali Baba (EU delegate)

I don't share my computer with anyone else, and I have got only one account at all. In spite of this, I have been expelled. Why? :?: :?: :?:

I have a problem, I was recently booted on My UN nation, Immaturity (stating that they were immature) from a region called mount Doom for saying that the endorsements recieved from our delegate was from the same person. ( 5 endorsements from the same person) Everyone noticed this too, but no one really did anything about it. So now it comes to this, if the endorsements he received are cancelled with the expulsion of those nations, i would be admitted back to mount Doom. But with that delegate there, There will not be any time for me to go back. Please help.

Perhaps they were upset that you launched such a fiery assault on their upholding of homosexual rights. By passing that resolution, they're only upholding their opinion. Besides, just because you're stating your opinion -- no matter in what demeanor -- doesn't mean everyone or anyone wants to hear it.

Do keep in mind that you're calling the organization they are part of 'gay.' Maybe a less belligerent expression of dissent would be reacted to in a less belligerent dismissal.

Ejected from the UN , heres Why. . .

a mod decided to cheat

Americans pretty much kick everyone elses butt. What a great nation. You can own guns among other things. I pack a .38 wherever I go ( I have a cc permit) and a SKS hanging on the wall. Oh, and if you piss us off you sometimes end up like Afghanistan and Iraq. Long live the worlds sole superpower. :lol:

Lighten up folks. It's just a game. Not a forum to bash Americans.....

-Generalisimo Dave

Please Let me In the UN I didnt do anything? I moved to a new region and then BLAM I was out for violating some rule? for having many nations? I didn't even know ypu could have many nations! I thought I would write hoping for a response, because I really like voting on the UN resolutions. please I tell it was a mistake, I'am being blamed for something didn't even know you could do!

OOC and everything
My daughter is running a country, and I am running a country. We both access JenniferGovernment from the same computer address. Are we breaking the rules? I don't want to inadvertently get kicked out of the UN. If we are breaking the rules, how would you suggest we resolve the issue (#I saw it first! # *but I got to be a UN member first!* #but it's MY computer#) :? from Archivia and Naida-Mngwa

Ok i got kicked out of the UN for rule violations ..tey said i had 2 un members well i dotn i didnt even know you could...well nay way i do nationstates at my school so can i be allowed back in ...

Yavin kicked me out of the UN....I do not have multiple UN nations, nor had I kicked out anyone unfairly. He ejected me because he has a grief with the United States of America Inc. Yavin is abusing his power as moderator. I ask that you reinstate my country into the UN and investigate this matter.

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I accidentally applied for UN membership with two of my nations!!! I ask the admin (Violet) that you please make sure the e-mail for a successful application gets sent out to my nation RedSoviet. Thank you very much.

Upon receiving your complaint via the mod centre, I double checked the UN cheat scan, and it came up with a number of other nations, which showed regular and repeated use from the same computer.

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I totaly agree with those rules... they should have given their full attention to that message joining the UN sent... & why would they share the same computer? alwell, i guess it's just as hard to be kicked from the UN as of some group you've become so attached to...

Yavin has told me to ask you may I please be put on the No-ban list ?

Yavin has told me to ask you may I please be put on the No-ban list ?

Hi, My region (A New Hope) was recently taken over by a bunch of people who call themselves "The Pizzle Nizzle Alliance". They all joined at once, and endorsed their own delegate. We got rid of them, and got them kicked out of the UN for having more than one nation in the UN. However, I was checking up on their region, and I found this post there:

"let them turn you in -- all you need is the right excuse. if The Man starts asking questions, all you do is tell Him that, say, all your UN-nations are owned by different roomates, or classmates, or family members, or whatever sort of sick people are likely to share a terminal. how can He object to that? nationstates must be a staple of social studies classes across the globe! of course, this presumes that your UN nations each have different fake email addresses..."

[Violet], what type of action will be taken against people who use this type of argument? The Pizzle Nizzle Alliance has taken over at least four other regions, and have been kicked out of the UN a couple of times. All the nations in my region are very angry about their behavior.

We rarely buy those sorts of arguement, for the very reason you've pointed out- they could very easily be lying.

Hi, My region (A New Hope) was recently taken over by a bunch of people who call themselves "The Pizzle Nizzle Alliance". They all joined at once, and endorsed their own delegate. We got rid of them, and got them kicked out of the UN for having more than one nation in the UN. However, I was checking up on their region, and I found this post there:

"let them turn you in -- all you need is the right excuse. if The Man starts asking questions, all you do is tell Him that, say, all your UN-nations are owned by different roomates, or classmates, or family members, or whatever sort of sick people are likely to share a terminal. how can He object to that? nationstates must be a staple of social studies classes across the globe! of course, this presumes that your UN nations each have different fake email addresses..."

[Violet], what type of action will be taken against people who use this type of argument? The Pizzle Nizzle Alliance has taken over at least four other regions, and have been kicked out of the UN a couple of times. All the nations in my region are very angry about their behavior.

Welcome to the technical forums, yuppie :) And very understandable on the anger... Still canna thank you enough... Watching them as closely as possible as well....

They indeed got reported in SPACE, too for their multis and members were deleted/booted. A forner SPACEr was teaching them how to region crash within the confies of the game (slowly building support form actual players/legal UN nations, gradually, do not eject a great # of natives...) when I checked a few days ago, but the PNAs seem fixated/insistant on having multis, which is a definite nono...

I dunno if it's plain ignorance of the game rules (sorry, much as you PNA's hate to be called cheaters when one multis, the game creator deems it as such...), or just plain stubborness...

I have another yiddishism for them, but I'm not gonna say that in a mixed setting....

~ Trish ~

Yavin has told me to ask you may I please be put on the No-ban list ?

violet, may i please be taken off the UN ban list, Yavin has gotten most of the nations in Poontangerfordville Glen and in The New Mercia banned from the UN for no reason other than he is power happy. can you please look into this. he also has started attacking more regions. this needs to be stopped, if it is not him who is doing it, which that is what he claims. then it is United States of America Inc. who is probably a friend of Yavin. thank you for your time.

We rarely buy those sorts of arguement, for the very reason you've pointed out- they could very easily be lying.

good thing my bro and I aren't in the UN then :roll:

How often do you check for cheating, not often enough i think. Imperial Empire led by Sythia or something does though Im not sure. He also spams other nations to join his region and uses the in-game region crashing that has been mentioned earlier.

I would appreciate someone looking into this.

btw, this isn't my UN country, the Honored Matres is.

(...) and uses the in-game region crashing that has been mentioned earlier. (...)

Aside: This is not an offence.

Violet,

Could you please take me off the UN ban list???

Yavin said that I could only get it done by talking to you.

The only othe rperson who accesed the same computer as I was my brother who only had a nation (Frandeur)

Please let us join the UN again.

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If anyone has been kicked out of the Un unfairly...And wants to be with people who understand you and even if you havnt been kicked out of the Un...come move to: The New Mercia


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Nice try Playa chk, but any nation that has been around long enough to read the identical UN proposals posted by you and your sister nations (one of your favourite posts miss-spelled Martin Luther King's name EVERY time you posted it) knows very well you ran multiple UN nations.

Personally, I'm pleased to see the mods caught up with you - your proposals were highly annoying and I'm glad not to have to read them anymore.

I have a question for you. What do you do if the Ministry Compliance thing for the UN sends you a message stating the following:

Laws have been enacted to bring the Rogue Nation of United States of Iraqi into compliance with the United Nations "Elimination of Bio Weapons" resolution.

I have no biological weapons of any sort. How do I fix this issue?

I haev otehr nations but only one was in the UN...the others are my friends who copy my post and re paste them.

ok I have a freind that I told about nationstates and he sighned up at my house on my computer and has been using his school computers lately and he has endorced my nation but that is the only time he has ever accesed it from my computer so i'm good right?

also if it gets detected as multiple accounts I only get booted from the UN and i dont loose my nation right? cause it took me a long time to get my nation just the way I want it.

I have a question for you. What do you do if the Ministry Compliance thing for the UN sends you a message stating the following:

Laws have been enacted to bring the Rogue Nation of United States of Iraqi into compliance with the United Nations "Elimination of Bio Weapons" resolution.

I have no biological weapons of any sort. How do I fix this issue?

I think this is just an automatic telegram to let nations know that a certain issue has passed. The text of the issue/subject of the issue is usually roleplayed. If you don't have biological weapons, for example, this wouldn't affect you -- or don't RP it...

What it does effect in UN nations are ceratin game variables -- variables relating to the resolution's category, per se. If, for example the category was "the furtherment of democracy" all preset game variables relating to that would be affected with the passing of a UN resolution in that category...

Hope this isn't too confusing... Just trying to give the skinny on resolutions in a nutshell. :idea: Nations feel free to add on, or correct me... :)

~ Tricia ~

I know two UN cheats that were recently expeled from our nation (North Pacific, NOT the North Pacific) Golyath and Mastery. They both were UN nations, both had similar login times, and based on their population, they joined about the same time, roughly a week ago now by my guess. Their populations four days ago hadn't broken 10 million. I don't know where they went after we kicked them out.

I feel that we should be able to form competing world organizations.

I called it Possum Prop 4: Treaties and Alliances.

I feel that it is in the name of furthering democracy and world peace that such organizations exist. If for no other purpose than some sort of clubhouse, it would be a central place that members would be able to come together.

this type of id is not acceptable because not everyone in the world has a cc .

there should be a way to identify a user as one individual. like, say social security number. everyone has that.
beleive it or not, only us citizens have a SSN(social security number) so this wouldn't work. this is an international game my freind. :)

Actually so does Canada. :roll:

While i know you said it was un-likely, there must be a mistake. I am the only person on this computer that plays Nationstates. I only have one current county, not even another non-un country. Is it because I am on a wireless DSL connection??? My county is the United States of Aaronistan, and there is no other country. PLEASE HELP!

Aaron Rowland
President of Aaronistan

Moderator, please attention! (No offense, but a senior moderator perhaps?)

Apologies if we seem irate, but The Commonwealth of All Beings and The Commonwealth of All Beings Duplicate have just been ejected from the UN for being – UN duplicates, we suppose.

It’s well known that All Beings brought me (All Beings Duplicate) into the game. Originally I (All Beings Duplicate, 971 million souls!) was to be the “eyes and ears” of All Beings, but as we played we realized that was sort of unnecessary, and we went our separate ways.

This history (which can be affirmed by a number of our friends and co-players, certainly All Beings himself) can be (I hope) demonstrated in many ways. One might be a telegram we sent just a few days ago to The Free Land of Zhipfue in our region of Greepeace, in response to their telegram:
______________________________________________________
The Free Land of Zhipfue
Received: 4 days ago
Many thanks for your endorsement! Tell me a bit about yourself if you would? I'm curious!
Peace, Servant Jon
______________________________________________________

Our telegram response was:
______________________________________________________

In the Nation States context, we are the partner/roommate of The Commonwealth of All Beings, currently of the region Harmony. All Beings was one of a number of nations originally associated with the region Assembly of Global Cooperation, where many of our friends still remain, led (led? not really) by The Dominion of Reason and Compassion, who got us all into this world.

As per your region list, there is also an old Assembly member (The Federation of Service to All Peoples) in the region of Bodhidharma, also a noble region.

The Assembly was also interested in creating a global alliance, but it seems to have sputtered out -- though they may still try it, for all I know.

Aside from those connections, we’ve generally been a wanderer in this world, and came to Greenpeace following The Republic of Living Rivers, also a friend…

And you?
______________________________________________________

The regional board of the Assembly of Global Cooperation gives some indication of the worry that struck us (as a group) when some of us received warnings some time ago. (Or, in passing, the group board of the region of Harmony, where The Commonwealth of All Beings lives.)

Eventually most of the group concluded that the warnings had been the result of some very crude view of so-called IP addresses (?? we don’t really quite understand this stuff) and that because the group members were all obviously different, the threat was a mistake. (I’d think this was especially true of me, because I usually don’t play with the group.)

Please email me at xxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx if there are questions.

BUT, please,

1) Do you think I/we would really be spoofing Nation States with nations named All Beings and All Beings Duplicate? Get real please!

2) I have never been involved in any malevolent behavior (as a brief look at the Greenpeace region would show).

3) I expect a careful look at our nation’s history etc. would make all this evident.

which is to say,

4) This is just sloppy moderator work, or some other simpler mistake. There’s a lot of crap in this game, but we aren’t it – or part of it.

(Though we sadly have to admit, in all honesty, that on occasion, BEFORE OUR WARNING, A MONTH AND A HALF AGO (?), All Beings and I A FEW TIMES signed on to one another’s nations to dismiss issues and bump the population along… But no more!)

Sorry if we have been irate, or disorganized in our response, but we are flabbergasted (as they say in the 19th century). This “game” is an interesting environment, and we actually felt we were doing some good (beyond mere “playing”, as again a brief look at the Greenpeace region would show) in sharing our values with those whose approach is a bit more… naïve, if we may say.

Please look into this,
Commonwealth of All Beings Duplicate

ABD,

Not a moderator, but while this decision may be in error, I don't think it was entirely sloppy on the moderator's part, seeing as the actual flagging is automated. Still, just looking at your example, I see several possible flags coming up.

ABD, I'll come clean and admit that I was the mod who de-UNed you. Surprisingly, there are UN multis out there with very similar names - and that was what made me look at you both again. Now that I've heard your side of the story, I'll have a chat to the other mods to see about letting you back in. Sorry for the inconvenience, but I'm sure you'll agree that vigilance is the only solution to the UN multi problem.

I would appreciate it if you would look into my case as well. I am really clueless as to how or why this happened. With a population of over 1 billion, i have been playing for a long time and FULLY understand the related rule. I just don't know what I did.

Thank You,

Aaron Rowland
President Of Aaronistan

What happens if you use America On-Line (AOL), which uses a different IP everytime you log on to the internet?

We're aware of the way AOL works, so an IP scan coming up as an AOL user isn't the "smoking gun".

DAMNIT!

I just tried to sign up for the UN... good thing, right? But what I didn't know is that my brother has UN nation on this computer too.

What's goin to happen if they see our IP and think he's cheating? (He'll kill me if his nation is deleted.)

If all you've done is sign up for the UN, it isn't a problem. The Email will be sent whenever it is sent (about 24 hrs or so) and then all you need to do is to delete it - or just not click on the link to join. As for the risk of nation deletion, that only ever happens in very extreme cases where somebody has masses of multis with offensive names and flags and so on. It's very much a "last resort" option.

ABD, I'll come clean and admit that I was the mod who de-UNed you. Surprisingly, there are UN multis out there with very similar names - and that was what made me look at you both again. Now that I've heard your side of the story, I'll have a chat to the other mods to see about letting you back in. Sorry for the inconvenience, but I'm sure you'll agree that vigilance is the only solution to the UN multi problem.

Been offline for a few days and not in Nantionstates for 17 full (?) days, and my good friend here tells me I’ve been kicked out of the U.N. I’ll be quick and simple: I am not Commonwealth of All Beings Duplicate, and she is not Commonwealth of All Beings. (And the part about signing in for each other, that hasn’t happened for months (a month and a half?) and all the Assembly members have changed passwords so it can’t happen again. She [All Beings Duplicate] doesn’t know my password and hasn’t for six weeks at least.)

If the problem is with the names, flags, mottos, animals, currency, we will change the parts we can (but I never read anywhere that there was a rule against that kind of thing, and there are whole regions which share currencies at least). If the admin wants to change the part of the name we can’t change (All Beings, All Beings Duplicate) that’s their decision, but please let her (The Commonwealth of All Beings Duplicate, because I would like to keep my name, being here first and the Duplicate part was her idea -- just to get my licks in) know so that she can have some input. If that can be done.

I guess it’s understandable, because the two nations did have the same flags and attributes, but still doesn’t it seem a little hasty to base U.N. ejection only on that? – not to complain really because I know Nantionstates is huge and the moderators only have so much time. Thanks for the quick response nevertheless.

Thanks again,
The Fleeting Council of All Beings ( :!: not Duplicate :!: )

The network we have at work uses a NAT router to share an Internet connection. Because of this, we only have 1 public IP address. How can the game tell the difference?

IP-wise, it can't. That's why there are multiple vectors for catching UN-cheats. If you only hit one, I believe that it's simply sent through. More than one vector, and it's flagged for attention (I think this is how it works, anyway...)

If all you've done is sign up for the UN, it isn't a problem. The Email will be sent whenever it is sent (about 24 hrs or so) and then all you need to do is to delete it - or just not click on the link to join. As for the risk of nation deletion, that only ever happens in very extreme cases where somebody has masses of multis with offensive names and flags and so on. It's very much a "last resort" option.

Thank goodness for that. A workmate just logged into his nation (Durman), from my PC while I was already logged in as Celdonia, to set vacation mode on his account. It didn't occur to me that it might look like a multi until just after he did it. I asked him to resign from the UN while he's away, so hopefully I won't get kicked out.

If I do get kicked out of the UN, is it safe to rejoin again straight away?

If you do get kicked out of the UN (which, with only one instance of someone else using your computer to check his nation, is pretty unlikely) you can't just re-apply instantly. Let one of the Mods know - this thread seems to be one way, or via the Mod Request thing - because we need to actually lift the ban on your nation.

I'm behind a proxy server. What if other people within the company are using this site?

Do you combine these checks? i.e if an e-mail address and an IP address are the same then you delete them??

If you've got the same Email and the same IP for a nation it doesn't look too good, but IP itself won't kill you.

Cna someone please address the problem with my nation????

It been about a week since I posted here, but there has been no direct response to my country.

Thank You,

Aaron Rowland
Aaronistan

I was recently booted out of the UN, given reason being that I had multiple nations in the UN. I initially was puzzled. I talked to my friend from my school, Tremalkier, who also plays NationStates (he got me into it), and he said that he also had been booted. We both frequently log in to check our nations from school. However, the logs should indicate that we also log in from a second location, a different one. If we were the same person, would we always switch IP addresses in one instance, and not the other? I was told to post this appeal here; I would appreciate a response. Thank you for your time.

Enodia, can you check why Aaronistan was ejected from the UN? He's been talking to me, and it seems like the only plausible explanation is that he's logged on very infrequently from a school network. I imagine that if there was anyone else at the same school with a UN member doing the same thing, then it'd trigger some of the flags...

He's been trying to appeal on the decision, but everyone seems to be blanking him apart from me, and I'm not a Game Mod, so I can't be of much help to him. :(

I'll have a look into it next opportunity I get. It could be a little while off yet and I don't guarantee results, but I'll look into it.

I say we boycott the UN until a better solution can be reached. In the US constitution, it says the burdon of proof is on the accusers. Being at school and using the same computers as some other nation DOES NOT prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty of having 2 nations in the UN. This prosess is unfair, unjust, and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I say we boycott untill we get reforms in the expultion prosess.

There's no malicious intent involved... people are trying to do their jobs. If I am booted in the process that's fine; I believe I can prove my innocence. So it's not really a big deal...

I agree with Leo. Just because there was a glitch in the system, doesnt mean that it needs to change. Thats thw whole purpose of the appeal system. I don't hold the Mods responsible at all, i understand they are busy people, who dont want to devote large amounts of time researching bans for individual countrys. There are thousands of countys and if they devote too much time to stuff like this then other areas will be neglected. Boycotting the UN because of this would be just silly. I would also like to thank the mods for devoting there time to this game, and fully appreciate any amount of time they could give to fix this, no matter how long i have to wait.

Thanks,

Aaron Rowland
President Of Aaronistan

I say we boycott the UN until a better solution can be reached. In the US constitution, it says the burdon of proof is on the accusers. Being at school and using the same computers as some other nation DOES NOT prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty of having 2 nations in the UN. This prosess is unfair, unjust, and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I say we boycott untill we get reforms in the expultion prosess.
The US Constitution can say whatever the heck it wants. It's irrelevant here for the following reasons:
1. I'm an Australian citizen, so it doesn't apply to me.
2. So's Max (who runs/owns the site), so it doesn't apply to him.
3. Max has said quite clearly - on the FAQ page at least - that "freedom of speech" and all those other wonderful rights we have in the world apply only as far as he's prepared to let them. "It's my own personal Father Knows Best State", according to the FAQ.
4. Ejection from the UN is not subject to judicial review, it is rather extra-judicial punishment. Thus, the doctrines of burden of proof and stare decisis have nothing to do with the case. You can appeal, but it's at the strict discretion of the Mods to look at the case again and (if they do), what they do about it.
5. EDIT: Also, remember that logging in from the same IP address is not the only thing which we take into account when ejecting nations from the UN. As far as I'm concerned, proof beyond a reasonable doubt is provided in well over 90% of ejection cases which I have seen. Further, all I require is proof on the Balance of Probabilities.

Note also that I'm not being nasty about this. This is a comparatively soft-line argument in that I'm allowing appeals of decisions, I'm not sure that everyone does. In addition, anyone who wants to quote Constitutions and precedents at me should remember that I am a law student and am more than prepared to play that game.

*points at dialup users who have random IP's and quite often use an IP previuosly used by someone else*

*also points to AOL and their hyperIP's*

Yes, but that won't get you accused. A single IP match would be incredibly unlucky, and the NS game will pick it up but that'll only be one thing flagged against the nation. [violet] is aware of such instances, and so the system looks for other things.

One of these is repeatedly logging in to two different UN members from the same IP. NationStates can't tell if the IP is that of a school or college, it has to assume that it's a person - and those who've logged in at school or college will not that they've not been affected until they've done it several times. Also, even if it could detect a school, it'd have to use bans on the UN members at any rate, to stop people setting up multiple UN members and only logging into them from school, where they couldn't be linked to any person.

To be safe, if possible, don't log into a UN member nation from a school or college. If you have to, you might well find yourself being banned at some point - and if that happens, you can appeal.

I say we boycott the UN until a better solution can be reached. In the US constitution, it says the burdon of proof is on the accusers. Being at school and using the same computers as some other nation DOES NOT prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty of having 2 nations in the UN. This prosess is unfair, unjust, and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I say we boycott untill we get reforms in the expultion prosess.
The US Constitution can say whatever the heck it wants. It's irrelevant here for the following reasons:
1. I'm an Australian citizen, so it doesn't apply to me.
2. So's Max (who runs/owns the site), so it doesn't apply to him.
3. Max has said quite clearly - on the FAQ page at least - that "freedom of speech" and all those other wonderful rights we have in the world apply only as far as he's prepared to let them. "It's my own personal Father Knows Best State", according to the FAQ.
4. Ejection from the UN is not subject to judicial review, it is rather extra-judicial punishment. Thus, the doctrines of burden of proof and stare decisis have nothing to do with the case. You can appeal, but it's at the strict discretion of the Mods to look at the case again and (if they do), what they do about it.
5. EDIT: Also, remember that logging in from the same IP address is not the only thing which we take into account when ejecting nations from the UN. As far as I'm concerned, proof beyond a reasonable doubt is provided in well over 90% of ejection cases which I have seen. Further, all I require is proof on the Balance of Probabilities.

Note also that I'm not being nasty about this. This is a comparatively soft-line argument in that I'm allowing appeals of decisions, I'm not sure that everyone does. In addition, anyone who wants to quote Constitutions and precedents at me should remember that I am a law student and am more than prepared to play that game.

Very true -- I'm no law student, but...

For those citing the US onstitution, here: I will reiterate this is an international game.

I know in the US, there are not concessions for owners of private entities (such as sites) to enforce rules as they see fit. ie -- a private store owner/club enforcing a dress code where offensive political messages/offensive clothing (as he sees fit, mind) can result in booting from the store/club. I don't know if it's similar in Australia, but Max/Violet is that storekeeper/club owner, and the mods are their bouncers, to me...

Look @ the FAQ as well... both of them have established that there is freedom, but to a point here. Not a complete free for all...

Enodia -- similar laws in Australia?

~Trish~

]To be safe, if possible, don't log into a UN member nation from a school or college. If you have to, you might well find yourself being banned at some point - and if that happens, you can appeal.

And so I'm appealing. I'll definitely follow that advice in the future, though... I also log in from home.

I don't have a credit card.

Uh. All the other nation's leaders are in the same school as me. We have the same breaktimes and therefore use the same network of computers in the school library. :oops: We love this game too much.... :wink:

I'm actually wondering whether an nslookup to see whether offending computers are coming from a .edu (or .edu.au or .edu.uk) site might help alleviate the "my friends use the same computer" problem. Its hard to imagine people not at a university having the same problem.

Also an e-mail to the university sysadmin to find out whether the offending machines are public cluster computers or personal dorm computers might help. (it might also get nationstates.net blocked in "no game playing allowed" clusters though)

Another thing. Is the "no two nations from the same IP" rule smart enough to figure out if two people are using the same NAT router? Its probably not an issue, as I suspect most people with NAT routers have dynamic IPs anyway.

Tavril Cross - to the best of my knowledge, yes there are similar laws in place in Australia. Also, our Constitution doesn't have the Burden of Proof issue either way - we've just followed the Common Law principle of "innocent until proven guilty" under most circumstances. For those interested in legal issues - have a look at the English case of Fowler v. Lanning per Diplock J's judgement, and the Australian Platt v. Nutt per Kirby J. While Kirby's judgement is fundamentally unsound for other reasons, his arguments in favour of a slight reassignment of the Burden are very interesting.

I know Nantionstates is huge and the moderators only have so much time. Thanks for the quick response nevertheless.

Thanks again,
The Fleeting Council of All Beings (not Duplicate!)

Again, thanks. Took a little time, but seems a vote for Nationstates and the moderators as a self-healing system of sorts. (But glad our region is a real backwater, as it was without a delegate for the duration...)

Thanks moderators,
The Fleeting Council

My high school is a .net...

*shrug*

Who needs the UN anyway?

--Scolo
Ex- UN member

Agree!

I was ejected from the UN a while ago. I have no idea why. Cyborg100 was my only UN nation and I had no multis. Could someone please clear this up.

:)

EDIT: It may be because I access my nation from a school sometimes

- Cyborg100

Hello there - I hadn't been on the website for a couple of weeks and came back to see that I had been ejected from the UN for having multiple nations in the UN.

Now, when I relocated myself from the Rejected Realms (we had an attack of some clearly very bored schoolkids) to my original region, my country appeared back in my new region twice, once from the Rejected Realms and once from the region I had just relocated to...not sure if this would have anything to do with it.

If not, there are about half a dozen of us who log onto the site at work around the same time...but we also log on our home PCs and I'm the only one who has been kicked out, so I'm struggling to think of a reason.

Much appreciated if this could be looked into.

:arrow: I am brand new to the game.

:arrow: My husband and I both signed up for nations tonight.

:arrow: I signed up for the UN immediately and he would like to also.

:arrow: We are using the same home computer.

:?: Are we going to have problems and/or get kicked out of the UN and/or game?

:!: Why should we, if we are doing different things?

Yeah, this stuff is kind of worrying for us, i mean, theres about 8 of us, all using the same school computers (just in the library), and reading this stuff makes me kinda concerned about whether or not my nation (which I like a lot, even if it is very small) is gonna get killed. :cry: I liked the suggestion I read about the program ignoring .edu /.edu.au / .edu.uk endings, perhaps an overall person could volunteer/be paid (but I doubt it) to monitor these school sites and have more of a "human understanding" of this.

Who are the people in charge? How often do they read these boards? How can we bring this to their attention. I am now a UN member, but my husband is afraid of applying because he doesn't want us to get messed up.

:(

Short answer to Luska:
Theoretically, your husband and yourself could come up as being "the same person". Given your scenario, I'd suggest that's more than likely in a purely IP sense.
One remedy would be to simply let everyone know on this thread what the name of your husband's nation is. With any luck, it would find its way up the chain of command before anyone gets ready to delete/UN ban you or your husband.

When I look at UN banning a nation, I run a check to see what nations have logged in from the same IP address and wether those nations use only the same IP addresses or use other different IP addresses.

um, okay, I have this country as my main country. but I signed up with my friend as co-rulers of another country. I sometimes sign in as my joint country. would this cause a problem?!

MOst people have a SSN, because by the rules of war, if you are a POW all you have to tell is your name rank and SSN... But, the format of the SSn differs very much, so it would be too much work to make a system that works,

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D
lol

What’s wrong with the U.S? Everyone’s got their own way of doing things it’s NOT cool to dis anyone country that shit is just low.

-Nagi

The only Problem i can see with the IP address is that i and most of my friends signed up at a LAN Cafe, two i think can only access the game at said computers, but 6 of my federation access the game from them, i use my home computer mainly for the game though but as we speak i'm at anothers house accessing the game, so this might cause difficulties, i own three nations and i knew not to have the other 2 join the UN but with the IP address thingy it will be quite annoying, because i also access here at Uni aswell lol... i'm addicted to this place hehehe

Well Mr Admin, I would like to tell you not to boot me and my buddies. We all recently moved (blablabla) and shared a computer for the past 3 weeks. Whenever we did nationstates, we all did it together to check eachother's nations. Our passwords are the same, and we always logged on together. So far, very incriminating I bet. Here's the deal, though...
We just got new computers with our dorms, and are NOT going to log on as anyone else, or on eachother's computers. In fact, as of tomorow, 4 of us are going on vacation for 2 months. I just wanted you to know this, so that you don't boot us out. We realize that this is relatiovely incriminating against us, but are taking the apropriate steps to rectify our situation.
Thank you, and have fun. Oh, and nice game-we love it
Chris, Phil, PJ, Dean, and Rob.

Hey Violet id like to be appealed please iam gonna delete my other nations and il be a good boy i promise! :lol:

i was the nation formally know as maxastan

Oh, that's why!

Spam deleted by NS mod

To the moderators:
Sorry to bring this kind of post in here, but my wife and I were both removed from our UN status last night. The telegram was the usual, more than one nation. If someone would be so kind as to check out our nations, we are The Confederacy of Southern Historians and, The Queendom of Lady Jane. It should be apparent we've logged in at different computers at the same time, and at the same computer, not far from each other. We work in separate locations, but obviously live together. Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

Are there any mods willing to respond?

I'll take a look at this real quick like.

Looks like Ineptia beat me to clearing the bans.

I would suggest only one of you being a UN member in the future to avoid further issues such as this.





~Neut

Thank you for your response. I know all of you are busy, and I appreciate the quickness with which you assisted us. More than likely, we will be taking your advice. Again, many thanks.

So. Hist.

There is a question that has just occured to me. I hope someone will be able to answer it for me. As anyone who sees my previous posts will understand, both my wife and I would like to continue as UN members. Does anyone know if it would be possible if one of us only played from another computer? I feel somewhat trepadacious :oops: asking the question, lest someone believe me to belabor the point. However, I thought, it can't hurt to ask. For the record, we do not share an email address, just a computer with dial-up, and that only some of the time. Thank you in advance, and I look forward to whatever response might be forthcoming. :lol:

One of you playing from another computer will be fine.

Thanks, Neut.

No prob. Tell the little lady "hi" from her favorite Mod :wink:

what happens if you are stupid (*ahem* namely, early morning brainfart), and I clicked to join the UN... then I checked on my other country... then, in my moment of bliss, I went to the UN section, and thinking that I was in my other country's login, clicked to join with the 2nd country, which I didn't really mean to do...

oops.

Being that I just got here, last thing I want to do is anger anyone, especially when it was an accident...

When you recieve the confirmation emails, simply dont confirm the nation you dont want in the UN. If it's too late for that, it's possible to resign one of them with no ill effects to the other.

Ah. Excellent. Many thanks. It was one of those things where I had read through the FAQ 2 nights ago, and around lunch today I realized what I had done (yes, I was talking about the site at lunch... got a friend of mine to play, too... instantly addicted? you decide... :wink: )

anyway - I shall be more careful and be sure to NOT click on anything sent for the alternate country.

Thanks!

No problem. Welcome to NationStates. If you havent already, I'd suggest you read the FAQs, Announcement Threads, and stickied threads in each forum before you post. Enjoy your stay.


-Neut

Ok, my brother has a nation and wants to join the UN...Although we use different AOL screennames and email accounts, we use the same computer. So, you are basically saying, that since I like my country and don't want it deleted, I need to tell him that he needs to get his own darn computer if he wants to join the UN, right?

thanks

Unfortunately, yes. Too many people absue the UN for theses steps not to be taken.

I just got ejected from the UN, and I'm not multi-ing. Is it possible that since I gave my friend nations and he applied to get one in the UN that got me ejected? If that's true, the nation still isn't in the UN, he's still waiting for the email...

Wow!
9,000 Viewings of this thread!

why do we need to be id anyway cause obviously your system isn't fool proof and untill it is it should not be used

Yeah, right. We should let UN multies run wild untill someone figures out a perfect system.

Get real.

I have the perect system you use a special code that is give to you bye the site and than you have to given it when you sign in. No that code changes every day. You get the code by e-mail. So an e-mail address must be submited to the web site. As it changes every day the thought is that a person with muilti UN nations, would get so confused with which one to use. Now if the wrong code is entered and it is a right code for another nation than the nation trying to log in is deleted. There you go the perfect system. NOW what do you think.

I think that would be a massive pain in the ass, personally.

Especially for those of us that are in and out all evening...

It might be, but it would get multi people to go away. There would be no multi people in the UN.

Sorry for the double post.
Also If something is not do than Me and my brother have a problem. We both started last night and both applyed to the UN.

Except for multiple e-mail addresses.

My Earthlink account gives me 6.

And if I named the accounts and the countries the same thing, there'd be no confusion.

When you add yahoo and hotmail, well, things break down pretty quick.

I really don't want to go on about this because I understand the difficulty for the mods. My nation and a flatmate's were ejected from the UN. We often used the same computer and hence IP address so I knew there was a risk, but as it went well for ages I though maybe our different use patterns or something had indicated us to be two people. Basically it's just tough for us.

I appealed the decision via the help form and asked if there was a solution. My regional Delegate, whom I consider a real friend on the net, said she also wrote, which I greatly appreciate. Now she has told me that she has received a message that says the mods do not believe my version. I have not received such a response in any of the nations I control, either Quandary (my former UN nation) or any of my satellites.

Of course if you assume it's all me and a message was sent to my flatmate's nation, that does make sense. He hasn't checked since the afternoon (Eurotime), so I would not know.

But if there is just a shred of doubt (and from my perspective there logically has to be) it would be more respectful if someone took the time to at least say no, you're an evil lying bastard - just so that I know where I stand:?:

:idea: ~Q

No, you're an evil lying bastard.


Just kidding. In all actuality, I'm going to refer you to the part of the FAQ and this thread that state that we are unable to distinguish between two people using the same computer. To begin to attempt to do so, leaves us extremely open to illegal multies. Sorry.


-Neut

this is ridicilous so if i jus a shared computer (like library internet computers) i should be expelled from the un beceause john doe is using the same computer (and has offcourse the same ip adress)
sorry to say but how old is this game? (200 years)
the makers of the game simcountry are using more than four ways to determ if it is the same player just ask the webmaster@simcountry.com
he can tell you wich methods they use
here in the netherlands we can us special library internet computers beceause in the city where i live there is no internet cafeteria
with john doe i ment that anybody can play jennifer gouverment's nationstates. :x :roll: :!: :idea:

NationStates also uses four methods according to the FAQ. I have a forum of my own and no method short of personal data is ever perfect. On the other hand there is a need to prevent malicious multiing. It's just unfortunate (for me and my friend more than anyone else) that I happen to have been affected... :cry:

No, you're an evil lying bastard.


Just kidding. In all actuality, I'm going to refer you to the part of the FAQ and this thread that state that we are unable to distinguish between two people using the same computer. To begin to attempt to do so, leaves us extremely open to illegal multies. Sorry.


-Neut

Fine, that's all I wanted. Clarity. Now, is it possible to get unbanned so that one of us can re-enter the UN?

You two decide amongst yourselves which one will be allowed in the UN, use the "getting help" section and both nations will need to post the request naming the nation to be unbanned.



-Neut

Will do.

*Quandary UN delegation fades out of existence with a final cheshire grin*

:mrgreen:

This morning, several nations in the South Pacific lost their UN status, including our regional delegate! And many more (which were active nations) simply disappeared. Our entire region is very confused, including the people who got booted. Can someone please tell us what's happening?

Can i just have my old nation back and not join the UN?

I'm a puny nation now, compared to the mighty West Staines. Are the deleted nations stored in any way?

Haha... no

AMERICANS NOT AS COOL AS THE DUTCH?
PSHAW.
whydo you think the us dollar is worth twice as much as the canadian one?
cause we keep ona rockin!!!!
okay maybe not...
but...our president is lamer than yours is so there!!!!
" theres two things in this world i cant stand....one of wich is intolerance of others...."
"whats the other one?"
"the dutch."

This morning, several nations in the South Pacific lost their UN status, including our regional delegate! And many more (which were active nations) simply disappeared. Our entire region is very confused, including the people who got booted. Can someone please tell us what's happening?

You probably know this by now, but if you don't look in the beginning of this thread and in the FAQs. Having more than one nation in the UN is illegal. If the NS administration notices this, all the owner's nations will lose UN status or, if they have been griefing, they will be deleted.

Honesty is the best policy. :)

Please forgive me, i applied to the un with both my accounts, this one and Holography. Please forgive me and ignore the application from Merdith. Again, I am so sorry and I hope you do not dislike me in any form for doing such a stupid thing.

I'm not sure that it's somewhere in this thread's context, but I share the computor with my brother and he has a nation on here like I do. Would you eject either me or my bro when he become UN member?

~Elauria

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

Hey, not all of us Americans are evil and like George Bush, alright? Think before you lump us in the catagory of "suck" :tantrum:

this type of id is not acceptable because not everyone in the world has a cc .

there should be a way to identify a user as one individual. like, say social security number. everyone has that.

I'm not giving me social security number to play this game. Thats private and I understand that everyone means the best by it, but I will not be able to trust how it could be used.

Honesty is the best policy. :)

However, not very competitive :)

I'm not sure that it's somewhere in this thread's context, but I share the computor with my brother and he has a nation on here like I do. Would you eject either me or my bro when he become UN member?

If you both applied to the UN, both nations would be seen as multies, and both would be ejected. Read the UN Section of the FAQ that appears in the left bar when you're at your nation's homepage.

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

Bhahahah! When are you people going to realize that we invaded you years ago! If you looked closely you would see that the cool people there are AMERICANS!

mwahahah!

I have a nation that only check up on in a public computer, and I got booted from the UN, because some other people had nations in the UN, in the same place as me, what the f***.

Greetings one and all from the humble Democratic States of Puckopia, where nudity appears to reign. I believe this has already been covered, but I just wanted to get it in pre-emptivly:

I have multiple computers that are situated behind a DSL Router (My third one in three years mind you all! :tantrum: ~sigh~ :wipes drool and moves hair away from face: ) and two computers behind it are in Nation States, mine and the The Fiefdom of Loki. We have unique email addresses, and rather different writing styles, and I suspect we will have somewhat different login patterns (Since we are only playing a few days, this will not be clear as of yet.)

I am hoping to give a heads up to notify the mods of all this, so that if any questions arise you will know that we will do our best to try to allay any suspicions or concerns, if they do arise.

Thank you to any of you and all of you in advance. We are enjoying what we have seen so far, and plan to explore this interesting realm and have a good time, hopefully taking others along for a good time!

I'd like to remind some of our US game players that social security numbers don't exist everywhere outside the US. Strange but true.

My daughter and I are both on the same computer. I just joined the UN (Seven Nations)and she has been a member for some time now.(Eco-Freedom Fighters)(not sure of her spelling) Will we get deleted :?:

Moderators have banned me from the un for no such reason.

My daughter and I are both on the same computer. I just joined the UN (Seven Nations)and she has been a member for some time now.(Eco-Freedom Fighters)(not sure of her spelling) Will we get deleted :?:

If you share the same IP address, you are at risk. (Probably only of removal from the UN -- but both of you.)

simcountry is using the following methods:
ip adress
relation to other country's (are they trading more with another contry than others or do the not declare war to country 1 and attack country 2 always?)
relation to other country's (are they ruled the same way) and
relation to federation (or in this case regions are they of the same family or in the same federation/region?)

8) Canada Rocks!! :D


I really liked canada and have been proud of the relationship between the USA and Canada but I have to say I was really shocked that they didn't back the USA in the Iraq war.

P.S. I heard some crap about Canada legalizing Pot is that actually ture and if so, WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE, but if not "hey how you doing :lol: "

It's true that you can have up to 11 joints on you and not be charged with possesion. I live in the US, and hate it , the US sucks. Canada Rocks, they actually take care of their elders, medically wise. And what theheck is wrong with pot? its less harmful than cigarettes! Of coarse you dont smoke it constantly and don't drive when high. That would be stupid... And also, why would Canada back up the US in the Iraq War? We don't even have sufficient DNA evidence that Saddam is an actual person. I'm not on his side either, but it was a stupid war to fight, no good came out of it, unless you consider dead teenagers' a good cause.

AMERICANS NOT AS COOL AS THE DUTCH?
PSHAW.
whydo you think the us dollar is worth twice as much as the canadian one?
cause we keep ona rockin!!!!
okay maybe not...
but...our president is lamer than yours is so there!!!!
" theres two things in this world i cant stand....one of wich is intolerance of others...."
"whats the other one?"
"the dutch."

You, my friend, are a grade a hypecrite. so you're saying that you can't stand intolerance of others and then dissing the Dutch. And, maybe why the us dollar is worth twice as much as the canadian is because the canadians actually take care of their people, if you go in the hospital for an emergency, and you are a citizen, they are completely FREE. Sorry if the information is wrong, that was 10 years ago. No need to struggle and beg the US government for welfare or medicare. Canada takes care of their citizens.

I only have one country as well, but since I go on my brother's...

Great! My region is a bit f****d because of this. Around two dozen UN ejections and several deletions, while the founder is away.

And don't tell me that stuff about mistakes being unlikely, because these are not people who cheat to help with region-crashing. We are people who have always wanted to be left alone by those trouble makers, just so that we could chat about random stuff. And now we are vulnerable while our enemies, who openly say they enjoy making trouble, have attacked in the past, and are precisely the sort of people who have multiple UN nations as force multipliers, suffer no punishment whatsoever.

I would have a lot more faith in the system if the results of this action were not so patently inconsistent.

There will be a lot of complaints about this!

:tantrum:

I'm in the same region as arkanarsk, and I agree, there will be many, many complaintes, and this guy :tantrum: will be worn out by the time all this is resolved, and I have seen vitually no effort on your part to correct any of this controversy in our region. The UN Delegates are shifting and we're having to be stiff all the time regarding nationstates, because we don't know if another UN Delegate is going to go, or if our Founder will be deleted, as she is away. I WAS going to pitch in some money for the pay game, but now, odviously, i have withdrawn that idea completely. So, again, this is my overall mood towards nationstates at the moment. :tantrum:

i have found that a few people are trying to sack countries, but dont have enough people to do it. therefor, they create new nations and join the UN with email addresses of those that are opposing them!! these people get kicked out for no reason, and then the region gets sacked!! sometimes they still fail at sacking the region and leave, or just do it for fun, but this has just happened to one of my freinds. Be aware. Now, as soon as i saw this flaw, i decided to post it, but while i was typing it up, an idea came to me. informing of a flaw is valuble, but a strategy to make it less effective while changes go underway is priceless. whatever you do, do not give your e-mail address to ANYONE that you know plays nationstates and knows who you are with nationstates. Plus, try to make sure you know the person personaly, not just over the internet, and start bench-pressing, so you can beat him up when he screws you over. :wink:

but seriously. dont give your e-mail out. this could happen. if you give your e-mail out on one of these forums, you are asking to be screwed.

-thank you for your time.

Can any MOD contact me via Telegram..
Thanks

]
If you've received a warning and don't have multiple UN member nations, just sit tight. If you get expelled or deleted, there will be an appeal process where I can investigate your situation in more detail and see if there was a mistake.

By "mistake," I mean something like: your nation was operated from the same location as another UN member on only one or two occasions, and never since. Not "my friends come around and use my computer for those nations," as per the above.


how do I appeal?? I share a lab computer and 2 of us use the same computer to access our nations.

I've been ejected from the UN and never have had multiple nations in the UN. I've appealed to the moderators through the "getting help" page, and the only response is "very strong evidence, ban remains." I've never had multiple nations in the UN, and am wondering what evidence there is seen as how this is the only nation of mine that got ejected, because it was the only one I have that was in the UN. I do not share this machine with anybody and have always been careful to remove UN status from another nation before switching. I've had this nation in the UN for about a month, and it's the only one I've had in the UN during the same amount of time. Is there any further information that I may receive besides the "strong evidence from the cheat detector" or whatever it's called, because I don't buy it and I would like to know what other nation of mine was allegedly in the UN.

Thank You,
TitlersLOSTnut

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

Though we "americans" are sliding down a dead slope of corruption - just remember, we have nukes and and the biggest navy in the world. :shock:

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

Canadians > Americans ???

I guess you're right, they did give us Celine Dion, Tom Green, eh, ... that's about it, and it sucks. Now America has given us much more, good and bad... we're much more interesting. Our culture has been exported to much of the globe... Canada exports her steel... not many have taken on mayonaisse on fries in place of ketchup. Canada is indeed not better than America by any measure.

AMERICANS NOT AS COOL AS THE DUTCH?
PSHAW.
whydo you think the us dollar is worth twice as much as the canadian one?
cause we keep ona rockin!!!!
okay maybe not...
but...our president is lamer than yours is so there!!!!
" theres two things in this world i cant stand....one of wich is intolerance of others...."
"whats the other one?"
"the dutch."

You, my friend, are a grade a hypecrite. so you're saying that you can't stand intolerance of others and then dissing the Dutch. And, maybe why the us dollar is worth twice as much as the canadian is because the canadians actually take care of their people, if you go in the hospital for an emergency, and you are a citizen, they are completely FREE. Sorry if the information is wrong, that was 10 years ago. No need to struggle and beg the US government for welfare or medicare. Canada takes care of their citizens.

Canada doesn't take care of her people, her people take care of themselves. They forfeit their earnings for such things. Americans do the capitalist thing and buy health care. It's just unfortunate we're plagued by mispractice lawsuits.

I'm Canadian and had a Social Insurance Number - Of course we aren't supposed to give it out.
canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

Though we "americans" are sliding down a dead slope of corruption - just remember, we have nukes and and the biggest navy in the world. :shock:

And we're manipulative bastards. :shock:

canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

Hey! I'm an American!

I'm not saying you're wrong, 'cause Canada is pretty cool... but Hey! :wink:

You, my friend, are a grade a hypecrite. so you're saying that you can't stand intolerance of others and then dissing the Dutch.

Calm down, bro... that Dutch stuff was a quote from Goldmember. It's a joke, buddy.

Hey, guys... can we try to steer this back onto the original topic? Pretty please with cherries and whipped cream on top? *flutters eyeslashes*

~Tricia ~ :wink:

this type of id is not acceptable because not everyone in the world has a cc .

there should be a way to identify a user as one individual. like, say social security number. everyone has that.

only people who are american citizens have social security numbers.

Ok, I'm posting this in because I'm operating from a (large) University IP & until I get my own access, its very likely that someone else from here will twig onto this site, start a nation (or six) & go for the UN position.

I'm prepared to put up with the option of ejection if a situation like this is detected, just so long as I (or any of my puppets: mercyseat, zheghotes, rhagodia) are not deleted - email addresses are on all of them anyway. But I have a question (dont have time at the moment to read the whole thread) - if someone is ejected because of someone else in the UN on their IP, and they switch to a different IP (same nation) later on, can they reapply?

Can i purposely eject my first nation out of the UN, or delete the nation?

Can i purposely eject my first nation out of the UN, or delete the nation?

Go to the UN page, and click the button that says "Resign"

My sister and I both have a nation in the UN. Normally this is not a problem because we live in different places. She is coming to visit me for a week and I was wondering if it would be problematic for her to use my computer to moniter her nation. We are clearly in different places for the rest of the year, will using the same computer for a week make it appear that both nations are controlled by one person?
Thanks
-C

I am the UN Delegate in my friends and my region, and I have had this same Nation and have had it grow to having a pretty big population, but my brother uses this computer my girlfriend uses it sometimes, and my sister is wanting to join soon and go to our small little region. There is nothing I could do if my nation got kicked off, but I would be really disappointed, because I really love this game. I have played it for a while, although I haven't got to buying "Syrup" yet, I have bought "Jennifer Government", and I can't wait until Nation States 2 comes out. Anyway, all i'm saying is that i've been a pretty loyal fan of Nation States and would be really disappointed if my nation was kicked off.

Hey -

I was given the password to an existing nation by a fellow who no longer had time for it (The Charging Rhino). I had just signed up with my first nation, ever (Clintovia) and had gotten UN admission for it.

So, I already had Clintovia in the UN and took over Charging Rhino, which was also in the UN.

I thought, "Better not have 2 in the UN." So, as Charging Rhino is a stronger, more established nation, I withdrew Clintovia.

Then, last night, the mods or whoever, cited Charging Rhino with a violation and took UN status away.

How can I get it back?

If I can't get it back for Charging Rhino, will I be permitted to resubmit Clintovia?


Hmmmmm ... ?

Eire shamrock was deleted in ireland for no apparent reason! please look into this.

]The United Nations is getting much tougher on people who break the "one player, one UN member nation" rule. If you have been ejected from the UN, warned, or deleted, this explains why.

Q: I didn't know it was against the rules to have multiple UN member nations.
A: It is mentioned in the FAQ (see: "United Nations"). Also, when you receive your invitation e-mail from the UN, it clearly spells out the penalties for breaching this rule. Not paying attention to this is not an excuse.

Q: I wasn't cheating! I only have one UN member nation. Your game got it wrong.
A: This is possible, but unlikely. The game uses four different methods to detect if the same person is operating multiple UN members. These methods include IP address tracking and login pattern detection. If your nation was deleted, the game gathered very strong evidence that it was being operated from the same location as other UN members on multiple occasions.

Q: My friends operate those other UN member nations. We all share the same computer.
A: I'm sorry if that's the case. There is no way for the game to tell how many people are on the other end of a computer. For this reason, breaches of UN rules involving only two members are usually punished with expulsion, not deletion.

However, please note this important point: we cannot take your word on how many people are really behind your computer. This is not because you are untrustworthy, it's simply that otherwise there is no way to enforce the UN rules.

Q: But that's not fair!
A: True, and again, I'm sorry if you and your friends have been punished unjustly. However, this is the closest we can come to fair. If we accepted people's explanations that they were using a public computer with their friends, we would have to let people create as many UN nations as they like. This would destroy the whole point of the UN.

The line has to be drawn somewhere, and thus, fair or not, the rule must stand.

what's the problem?

"canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

What is with Europeans and hating America? Why can't we all just agree to hate the French?

Help!

I have only one nation, but strangely enough, I'm kicked out of the UN for having more than one nation in it. Probably because my sister and I sometimes use the same computer.

I know it is impossible to check my explenation, but I just don't see the problem here. Because my sister is in an other region than I, so there's no way we could cheat with the endorsements (I guess). What now??

"canadians are nowhere neer as cool as the dutch, but way better than americans by a long stretch!! :D

What is with Europeans and hating America? Why can't we all just agree to hate the French? so much hate here :cry: why can't we just settle hate w/wars :twisted:

:twisted: 8) :D I wish we could have REAL wars :D 8) :twisted:

I'm on the local network of my campus which is connected to the internet via a proxy server. That basically means everybody on the network shares the same IP address when we're online (as seen from the Internet). I was thinking of introducing this NationStates online game to my friends, but seeing how we all can be mistaken for the same person, I decided not to. Any workaround?

The UN said that I was too fat to join and encouraged me to go on a diet. I like eating.

Hmmm.

[violet], have you ever considered changing the cheat detection system a bit?

When an internet packet is routed (AFAIK), the MAC address of the Ethernet Adapter that sent the packet is still sent out to the server, before it is brought back to the router which sends it to the IP.

I could be wrong here, but wouldn't that (MAC detection) be more reliable than IP detection?



Edit: Something else you could do, now that I think of it, is have players download a small executable that they have to use to authenticate with the server, which gets the GUID (Globally Unique ID) from the Windows registry. Now I realize that Linux and Mac users would be kicked in the arse for this, but it could alleviate 95% of the problems anyway, don't you think?

Um, a couple of your Mods and a modling would be kinda SOL, would they not?

Um, a couple of your Mods and a modling would be kinda SOL, would they not?

Rephrase the question in parsable English?

I know of a number of us Mods that run Linux.