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If Cas is planning to do an Ylompics anyway I suggest just re-naming it all official like to Olympics and make it the second.

As for which comes first, Winter or Summer, I'm not rightly bothered.

we would like to participate if its not too late;)

I'm happy to have Casari host the summer olympics, if necessary before the next winter olympics.

More power to Casari if he's prepared to put the work in.


And, perhaps surprisingly, I'm with both Ariddia and Az-Cz on the grammar issue. I'm simultaneously a grammar facist (particularly on misplaced possessive apostrophes; don't get me started) and someone who will split infinitives, and on the end of subclauses prepositions put, if it serves style.

I'd gently point out to Az-Cz, though, that there's a world of difference between someone who can clearly write stylistically elegant English (which he can) bending the rules of grammar to fit the purposes of that style (which he does), and someone with little to no conception of grammar mangling the English language because they don't know better.

Olympics good!

(how bout that grammar)

seriously though, we should get it back started again, it was fun. Winter Olympics would be awsome.

Frankly if someone who hosts this wants to do as many events as they want.. more power to them. As for me I'm sticking to the stuff I know about; and the events I had posted earlier are the sports in which most people have at least a passing familarity with, that's why I suggested them.

I'd gently point out to Az-Cz, though, that there's a world of difference between someone who can clearly write stylistically elegant English (which he can) bending the rules of grammar to fit the purposes of that style (which he does), and someone with little to no conception of grammar mangling the English language because they don't know better.

And I'd point out that if the "mistake" they are making is part of the language that they speak, then it doesn't matter. There are all sorts of "mistakes" that have come to be part of the language. The reason the grammar stuff gets me up in arms is that often people use these so-called "mistakes" to label people as stupid when a lot of these grammar "rules" are simply a form of etiquette. If you're willing to look down on someone because they don't know which fork is for the salad and the proper way to fold a napking, that's your choice I suppose, but it's pretty petty and mean. Similarly something like "could care less" is a perfectly standard expression in American English and there's no reason for most people to worry about it.

I'm not a "so called educated person", I am an educated person. Doing a doctoral thesis right now, incidentally. And teaching at university. Not that you need to be educated in order to use proper grammar. Well, you do need at least a primary school education, I suppose, but you see my point.



Arrida I use grammer in the way I choose to use it weather(done purposly) I dummy it up now as to correcting my Grammar used in said post If I wanted a lecture on how I use my language then I'd still be in School but since I've managed to graduate from High School and college achieving a degree in Broadcast Arts(which includes a substantial use of proper grammar and wording selectively) so that said better to use discretion when correcting people not all people like a teacher(or a know it all)

with all that said who cares how I worded it the simple fact is I never watch Gymnastics of anykind so they have no effect on me.

All right, enough with the baiting and flaming on both sides already, before this gets out of hand and the people in charge need to be called in.

(EDIT: han-hi-len-ly sanja'slani Jolt ate my post when I tried to edit it, then crashed my browser with its evil JavaScript :( )

I'll TG CH and find out whether he's still interested in doing the Winter Games.
I am. I could probably start in a bit over two weeks. Thus, I think it makes more sense to do the Winter Olympics first (it’d be more than halfway done by Thanksgiving, assuming that we get a sufficient number of signups fast enough).

I also think we should create an Olympic Discussion Thread to replace this thread, started by a puppet à la NSWC Signups. We could then have useful, somewhat current information in the first post instead of a large list of nations.

I am. I could probably start in a bit over two weeks. Thus, I think it makes more sense to do the Winter Olympics first (it’d be more than halfway done by Thanksgiving, assuming that we get a sufficient number of signups fast enough).

Great! In that case, we can wait another four days to see whether there are further plausible candidates (for form's sake), then have a rapid OUC four-day vote - unless you remain the only candidate, in which case I think there's no need for a vote. Unless any OUC members really want one.

The way I see it then, Casari, you can either run a second Ylompics in parallel (as remains your prerogative, obviously) or wait and host the second Summer Games after the Winter ones.


I also think we should create an Olympic Discussion Thread to replace this thread, started by a puppet à la NSWC Signups. We could then have useful, somewhat current information in the first post instead of a large list of nations.

Sounds logical enough to me, yes.

I would love to know how plans that I had made got hijacked by everyone else and strapped to this flaming mess of debris. =p

My idea to host another Ylompics was to keep the whole concept of a multi-sport competition alive if this was dead- which it WOULD still be, if someone who we'll probably never see again hadn't found the thread and posted again. But now we're going to do the Winter Olympics again, mostly because Ariddia says so, with the same host- something I was entirely against, as I always believed the pool of people who had hosted should be grown, instead of leaning on CH and myself to host the damn things over and over for your benefit.

I would love to know how plans that I had made got hijacked by everyone else and strapped to this flaming mess of debris. =p

My idea to host another Ylompics was to keep the whole concept of a multi-sport competition alive if this was dead- which it WOULD still be, if someone who we'll probably never see again hadn't found the thread and posted again. But now we're going to do the Winter Olympics again, mostly because Ariddia says so, with the same host- something I was entirely against, as I always believed the pool of people who had hosted should be grown, instead of leaning on CH and myself to host the damn things over and over for your benefit.

Cool it.

CH does whatever he wants. If he's interested in hosting the next Winter Games, and nobody objects to it - why would we? - who the hell are you to say he can't?

I really don't give a damn what way we do things (your claim that I'm somehow running the show is patently absurd). What I am doing is contacting people, finding out what the different suggestions are and trying to see what the consensus may be.

Your suggestion that anyone's trying to stop you from doing a second Ylompics is even more ridiculous. If you want to do it, go right ahead, with - I believe - more or less everyone's blessing. And if you don't want to do it "for other people's benefit", then don't. No-one's forcing you to. Just make up your mind, and take a chill pill while you're at it.

I should take a chill pill? :p

First, when did I say he can't? I said that I thought we should try to find more hosts for these things than myself and CH. Something that CH even agreed with when I first said it just a few pages and months ago.

What's even better is that I never said anyone was trying to stop me from hosting the Ylompics it in the first place. What I was getting some kind of amusement from is that all of a sudden I became the frontrunner for Summer Olympic hosting without mentioning a desire to do host the Olympics again. As I mentioned, I was planning the next Ylompics because I figured this was dead. Which was was up till two days ago.

As of "trying to find a consensus", from what I can tell, the only one who has a strong feeling of what way this does go is yourself, as you're the only one so keen to push some psuedo-vote through. The consensus from most everyone else in this thread has been either "I don't care" or "If Cas is going to do it anyway, we might as well give it a nod."

So it seems my only fault is not agreeing with your plan and getting you all feisty enough to read into everything I say. :p

But now we're going to do the Winter Olympics again, mostly because Ariddia says so, with the same host- something I was entirely against, as I always believed the pool of people who had hosted should be grown, instead of leaning on CH and myself to host the damn things over and over for your benefit.
You’re right, we should have different people host. However, there’s no way we’re going to get any other hosts until there’s a publicly available scorinator usable by ordinary mortals. With the changes I’m going to make, I may be able to make my scorinator usable by the Third Winter Olympics, but until then, it’s going to be very hard to find someone that wants to duplicate all of that effort.

True. Although I don't think I've ever been shy about saying the scorinators I used were available for anyone who wants them, and that's still true and accurate today. Unless someone else wanted to put forth the effort to write some themselves too, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing either.

Also, can I borrow this argument to add to my "reasons why the council is a bad idea" pile?

First, when did I say he can't? I said that I thought we should try to find more hosts for these things than myself and CH. Something that CH even agreed with when I first said it just a few pages and months ago.

That would be lovely. And if everyone is willing to wait a few weeks, and not moan about things taking so long, then waiting to see whether there are other bids that can be got ready is of course possible. As I said, I don't care how we do this, who does it, when, why or with whom.

What I would like to make sure is that, for Olympics, there's a general agreement. Mainly to avoid the no doubt inevitable deluge of complaints from people who'd have liked to see things done differently.


What I was getting some kind of amusement from is that all of a sudden I became the frontrunner for Summer Olympic hosting without mentioning a desire to do host the Olympics again.

If you don't want to host Olympics again, and if you don't want the second Ylompics to be considered Olympics, then that point is settled. It's entirely up to you, and always has been.


As of "trying to find a consensus", from what I can tell, the only one who has a strong feeling of what way this does go is yourself

And what would that be? Not only do I not have a "strong" feeling, I have no real feeling on the matter whatsoever. Hence I point you back to my previous post.


as you're the only one so keen to push some psuedo-vote through.

Ah. If there are to be Olympics, which is the issue at hand, then the OUC should at least be consulted. You'll note that I suggested simplifying the process drastically, in such a way that we can get things decided simply, efficiently and quickly. And here was me thinking you'd approve of that. Don't like the idea of a quick vote? Prefer a long one? Fine by me. Prefer no vote at all? Then it's not really the Olympics, is it? Yes, I know, you feel the Olympics could be left dead. But since this thread is about how to revive them, and it now seems very possible, that's not really a point, is it?


The consensus from most everyone else in this thread has been either "I don't care" or "If Cas is going to do it anyway, we might as well give it a nod."


Yup. Fine by me.


So it seems my only fault is not agreeing with your plan

If I have a plan that I don't know of, I'd be curious to know what it is. ;)


You’re right, we should have different people host. However, there’s no way we’re going to get any other hosts until there’s a publicly available scorinator usable by ordinary mortals.

Indeed, it doesn't seem so.


Also, can I borrow this argument to add to my "reasons why the council is a bad idea" pile?

The Council, yes. I'd tend to agree with you on that. (Well actually you're agreeing with me, since I've suggested bypassing the Council altogether and simply doing a quick consultation of whatever OUC members are around.) And if anyone doesn't agree with that, I'm ready to agree with more or less anything... as long as you're making actual suggestions.

So the consensus is that none of us care. :) Fantastic, we have made excellent progress. Ironically, odds are if CH does host in two weeks, I won't enter anyway, because I won't be here over Thanksgiving and would like to actually be in the same state as my computer to RP if I were in something.

Ah. If there are to be Olympics, which is the issue at hand, then the OUC should at least be consulted.

That gets me though. The Olympic Upper Council is the core of the problem, in my view. And as my only major position on this is and has been that the Council is entirely useless, including the randomly-chosen Upper Council, and that all that has happened by having a Council has been arguing, complaining, noone particularly caring what happens, and the loss of all momentum after everything it's tried to hold so far. Which I like to think has been repeatedly proven.

Ironically, odds are if CH does host in two weeks, I won't enter anyway, because I won't be here over Thanksgiving and would like to actually be in the same state as my computer to RP if I were in something.


Understandable.


That gets me though. The Olympic Upper Council is the core of the problem, in my view. And as my only major position on this is and has been that the Council is entirely useless, including the randomly-chosen Upper Council, and that all that has happened by having a Council has been arguing, complaining, noone particularly caring what happens, and the loss of all momentum after everything it's tried to hold so far. Which I like to think has been repeatedly proven.

Which brings us back to my earlier question. What do you suggest?

I have notified the other IDU members of your proposed 4-day deadline for new bids to host the Winter Olympics, and some of them are now preparing one.

I figured "The system is fatally flawed" came with it's own suggestion. Come up with someone to host. Determine new pointless voting rules. Dissolve council.

And will we make Winter Olympics or not?If we make i will send a bid.

The Government of Edward City has decided oficially to present a bid for Solleria,at the northern mountains of edward city.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/Edward_City/Solleria20081.png

The City of Solleria has a healthy population of 2,595,312, wich wants to celebrate the Olympic Games.The province of mallorca has a hotel capacity of 5,000,000 rooms for 15,505,780 tourists. In case of no sufficient rooms for the olympics,the company Carnivale Cruise Lines would rent several ships of cruise. If some attendee to the Olympic Games is forced to lodge at other one of the islands of the edwardian archipelago, the company that controls the trips of ships interislands will do a discount of 50 % in his prices.

The Government of Edward City has decided oficially to present a bid for Solleria,at the northern mountains of edward city.


All right, now the next step is to detail how you intend to run the Games. A rough schedule, a few words on what scorination system you intend to use, and so on...

Take a look at this successful bid from the first Games (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469582) to see what's needed.

My bid is here:http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11867752#post11867752

Two thoughts:

1. To Edward City. Your enthusiasm is good. But running a tournament is much more than pretty pictures and ideas. We definitely need some info on your scorinating system. Also I want to make sure you know what your getting into. I'm running a 1-sport 128 sports tour and it's a ton of work. If you have a well set up scorinator you can cut out some of the work, but there's no way to get around that running an olympics would be a ton of work.

2. To Cas, if you want new hosts it might be a good idea for you, or CH, or Ariddia to contact people who might host and say "We think you'd be good at the running the olympics. We can provide some help with setting up the scorinators." I think waiting for people to come along might not be as good as being a bit proactive.

Now i'm working on the scorinator.

I can just see asking people now. :p "We think you could safely waste 180, 200, 240 hours of your life. Why not try to host the Olympics?"

Yes, i'm being crazy trying to find an scorinator on internet. I only find scorinators for soccer matchs.

You don't *find* scorinators. You *write* them. If you don't know how to write them, you can't host.

why dont two or three nations in the same region split host them, likke water events at one part, team events at one part, and everything else at the last country

why dont two or three nations in the same region split host them, likke water events at one part, team events at one part, and everything else at the last country
That was the IDU’s plan for the Summer Olympics, except with a lot more than two or three nations. I assume they’ll do the same thing if they bid for the Winter Olympics.

But AOers are fanatical enough that we don’t need no stinkin’ co-hosts! :p

Ok, i don't know how i can create an scorinator.I abandon my bid, but my nation will aply for participate on the games.

To make it easier for the hosts, is it feasible to limit the number of competitors in each sport, a la real Olympics? Some sports will allow nearly anyone in (e.g. athletics) but others are subject to more strict qualification criteria (e.g. football). Or does that create as much work as it solves? (I'm thinking it would be first come first served.)

I liked hosting absolutely everything.

If you were to limit entries to team sports I'm not sure it would matter all that much, considering that most team sports got from about 14-24 teams. The problem is more that there's 20 or 22 sports, each with 14-24 teams.

i agree with Wentland on that.

I think it's a bit unfair to say that someone who can't write scorinators should be unallowed to host. I can partially write scorinators, although not ones as good as say Vilita's or probably Casari's, but I'm certainly smart enough to use one's other people have made. CH and Cas have already put a lot of work into making scorinators and those don't necessarily need to go to waste.

La Tilineckta would most definitely like to participate in these games, I'll start getting a comittee together.

Why don't we recycle the scorinators from other olympics?

If you can get CH to give you his scorinators I don't see any problem with you using them. Send CH a telegram and talk to him about it.

Ariddia, Casari - Stop bickering. That's enough out of you two; now get back to business. I realise the hosting thing and naming conventions are points of controversy and contention but it's not constructive to be arguing about something so trivial. If Cas is that irritated that he doesn't want to have to host the things over and over again, that's fine, we'll look for someone else to do it, or we just won't do it. It's as simple as that. In the meantime, if Cas wants to host the Summer ones again, under the Ylompic banner (which I also support), let him have the proverbial cake. Both of you... just cool it.

CH + others - Thank you for trying to put the thread back on topic. Much appreciated.

Hey, I resent being singled out. :p The grammar discussion was very much off topic too.

And because apparently the record needs to be cleared, I'll happily host again, when I believe the system behind the scenes works. Which as of now, I clearly believe it doesn't.

Ariddia, Casari - Stop bickering. That's enough out of you two; now get back to business.

I thought we already had. I also thought I'd been doing exactly that. If I hadn't stepped in this thread would still be "wouldn't it be nice if we had Olympics again one day?". Now we're moving forward on how to do it, and we've got people preparing bids.


If Cas is that irritated that he doesn't want to have to host the things over and over again, that's fine, we'll look for someone else to do it, or we just won't do it. It's as simple as that. In the meantime, if Cas wants to host the Summer ones again, under the Ylompic banner (which I also support), let him have the proverbial cake.

Aren't we already all in agreement over those points?

Re: Wentland: The problem with "first come, first served" is that it would probably limit the number of nations participating. Those signing up first would still get as many athletes as they wanted, then you'd have other nations forced to have much smaller delegations, and others kept out altogether. Although ultimately it's up to the hosts, of course.

Incidentally, I'm still waiting for any comments on my suggestion to do away with the Council and have the hosts selected via a quick OUC vote, to keep things running quickly and smoothly. I really don't mind if people don't like that either, but in that case constructive counter-proposals would be most welcome.

Hi, my country would like to participate in the winter olympics...
we have 4 of the best snowboarders in the world for both halfpipe and cross country.
we have 2 champion freestyle skiers (1 male, 1 female)
we have a world class ice hockey team
which beat Australia (5 - 0) in a friendly match.

Aggelia.

I will put up a bid for the Winter Olympics as soon as I iron out some problems with my new scorantor

So, the Islands of Qutar and the IDU both intend to submit a bid. Excellent! CH, would you be using essentially the same system as last time, or do you intend to make any changes to it?

Also, in view of the fact that there are now several bids being prepared: OUC members, would you be averse to extending the proposed deadline to make sure we have all three bids to consider?

The problem with "first come, first served" is that it would probably limit the number of nations participating. Those signing up first would still get as many athletes as they wanted, then you'd have other nations forced to have much smaller delegations, and others kept out altogether. Although ultimately it's up to the hosts, of course.
True, unless there were a limit on the number per country. That would stop people from entering as many events as they wanted to RP, or maybe there could be a sort of reserve list if some events were undersubscribed.

Seeing as the deadline is proposed as it is and it would take time to prepare bids, I think we'd more than have to.

Incidentally, I'm still waiting for any comments on my suggestion to do away with the Council and have the hosts selected via a quick OUC vote, to keep things running quickly and smoothly. I really don't mind if people don't like that either, but in that case constructive counter-proposals would be most welcome.

I suppose my opinions on that wouldn't be a shock.

I'd prefer more of a participation based system for voting, like the WC has- it hopefully means that all of the people who vote take part and might have some concept of an idea what a good host might look like. And although this sounds mean, this gaurentee isn't made about the OUC, after all- only 5 of the 9 current OUC members even bothered to take part in the last Summer Olympics. CH, Paci, Kry, and Spruit never bothered to show, and I'd feel slightly better about how things were going if the people in charge participated. So if necessary, why not make participation a requirement to be a person in charge?

So, in that vein, If it's a necessity that it goes to a vote by the exclusive group, particularly because at this rate it seems that we'll have a vote with about 4 people in it, whatever. I wouldn't be shocked. But if we'd like to keep running things out of this nutto system, in a regular fimeframe, we need a mildly sane system of deciding who votes and who doesn't.

And, if you wonder how I did get 9-
The Upper Council (OUC) will consist initially of seven nations, with any nation successfully hosting a Games joining this committee. The Committee will decide which applicant cities will be put forward to the final vote. They will also vote on decisions where a quick vote is required.
:p See, we don't even remember all of the rules in the first place.

I apply for participate on the winter olympics in the name of the Edward City Olympic Committee.

I'd prefer more of a participation based system for voting, like the WC has- it hopefully means that all of the people who vote take part and might have some concept of an idea what a good host might look like. And although this sounds mean, this gaurentee isn't made about the OUC, after all- only 5 of the 9 current OUC members even bothered to take part in the last Summer Olympics. CH, Paci, Kry, and Spruit never bothered to show, and I'd feel slightly better about how things were going if the people in charge participated. So if necessary, why not make participation a requirement to be a person in charge?

So, in that vein, If it's a necessity that it goes to a vote by the exclusive group, particularly because at this rate it seems that we'll have a vote with about 4 people in it, whatever. I wouldn't be shocked. But if we'd like to keep running things out of this nutto system, in a regular fimeframe, we need a mildly sane system of deciding who votes and who doesn't.

Can't disagree with this, really. The current upper council thing is kinda like the government of a banana republic after a coup, heheh. I mean, let's face it, who's on this council now? There's Kry, for being the first one to start this thread after there was a general feel of "another NS Olympics would be cool" in #sport, there's Paci, for unsuccesfully trying to start an Olympics in the past, there's Ari, for starting a football competition 4 years ago, there's Bedi, Starblaydia, and the Archregimancy for, I assume, being some of the most active people in NS Sports, and then there's me, for speaking up and saying something half-sensible just at a time when there was one more member needed.
The only ones in the upper council with any legitimacy are CH and Cas, for hosting. I certainly don't feel like I've done anything to deserve being on it. :)

That doesn't necessarily mean we need to disband this thing right away and the hell with it, but we should definitely look at this as a temporary council. The dictator was killed, somebody needed to step up and make some quick decisions, but now that has just about run its course. :)
One of the next orders of business of the upper council should be to get a system in place that'll soon make this upper council obsolete.
Shamelessly copying the gist of the World Cup system seems like a logical solution. An "emergency council" consisting of ex-hosts, a "president" who does very little at all except collect votes, and a "voting council", consisting of those who participated in the last two cups.

Keeping this Olympics thing alive on a regular basis will still be trickier than the NSWC, because anybody's dog can host a World Cup. So scorinator-guidance and stuff like that will be needed as well. But turning this silly council-system into something that makes sense would, indeed, be a step in the right direction, I think.

Why don't we recycle the scorinators from other olympics?
Because my scorinators
require PHP and MySQL,
are very badly designed, and
are sufficiently difficult to use that I don’t want to try to explain.

CH, would you be using essentially the same system as last time, or do you intend to make any changes to it?
I’m not sure what you mean—the scorinators will be mostly the same; the schedule will be different (with scorination 1–3 times a day).

Shamelessly copying the gist of the World Cup system seems like a logical solution. An "emergency council" consisting of ex-hosts, a "president" who does very little at all except collect votes, and a "voting council", consisting of those who participated in the last two cups.
Would the “voting council” include people that don’t participate in both the Summer and Winter Games?

A WCC-style board would be an excellent idea, really. It's worked for the only other event as large in size (if not in scope) as this one, so why not give it a shot?

Seeing as the deadline is proposed as it is and it would take time to prepare bids, I think we'd more than have to.


And therefore wait until all bids currently announced as upcoming are ready? Or do we want a new set deadline?


I'd prefer more of a participation based system for voting, like the WC has- it hopefully means that all of the people who vote take part and might have some concept of an idea what a good host might look like. <SNIP>

That makes sense, yes. I'm not convinced the current system is fatally flawed, but it certainly is open to criticism, and if we can come up with something better then why not?


That doesn't necessarily mean we need to disband this thing right away and the hell with it, but we should definitely look at this as a temporary council. The dictator was killed, somebody needed to step up and make some quick decisions, but now that has just about run its course.
One of the next orders of business of the upper council should be to get a system in place that'll soon make this upper council obsolete.

*nods* In that case, as I see it, the current OUC would have three things left to do. Decide on the hosts of the next Winter Games (going on the assumption here that they should indeed take place), decide on a new system for host selection, then disband itself. ;)


Shamelessly copying the gist of the World Cup system seems like a logical solution. An "emergency council" consisting of ex-hosts, a "president" who does very little at all except collect votes, and a "voting council", consisting of those who participated in the last two cups.


It works for the World Cup so yes, why not. Even though selecting a good host for Olympics is slightly trickier, of course.

I'd prefer to se how the bids are developing before setting a deadline. After all, if we're intending to have a winter olympics, waiting will only have them take place farther into Northern Hemisphere winter, and that can't hurt that much.

After a bit of quiet thought, maybe entering the two previous olympics is a bit much- after all, the rate at which Olympics would be done is probably going to be much slower than the rate WCs complete and start (at least I hope so, rosters are hard to make for the Olympics) and the fact that we've only had two, the WC-style requirement of two rosters might be a bit heavy, particularly at this point in time, particular if people care to RP that they're a mountain nation, or a nation that would never see natural ice at any point in it's entire existance, or anything like that. Perhaps saying that nations that post an RP in the Olympics previous can vote in the next, or something like that, where some sort of active involvement is a requirement.

At least it'll stop "(Enter nation here) wants to join the NSOC" posts.

I'm pleased to see the debate here has calmed down a little. I feel more comfortable contributing now.

My thoughts on the various issues recently raised...

1) I'm only on the OUC because I volunteered on the basis that I rather liked the idea of being a founder member of both the NSOC and (as AIF) the WCC committee. I have no legitimacy beyond putting my hand up - though I have since been an active participant in both the winter and summer olympics.

2) The basic idea behind an olympic committee on the rough model of the EWCC/WCCto help run an NS Olympics was sound, though it perhaps ignored the fact that the NS World Cup structure was a gradual organic development.

3) In retrospect, while the idea was sound, the basic model was flawed because:
A - the idea of allowing anyone to sign up to the NSOC was nice, but has flooded this thread with people who sign up and then never participate again. Now that we have had two olympiads, a participation model makes more sense.
B - an ad hoc non-host based OUC invites charges of 'well, who died and put them in charge - they haven't even hosted an Olympics yet'. The first two members of the WCC, for example, were the first two WC hosts (Ariddia and myself), though I doubt either of us knew what would later evolve from that stumbling beginning.

4) The loss of Krytenia - who as OUC founder had the closest thing going to moral authority over the OUC - has left us drifting since realistically no one's in charge


Those OUC members still posting seem to agree that reform is necessary, and the WC model seems to be the rough outline we're moving towards, though Casari makes the excellent point that the gap between Olympics will probably be greater, so some allowance for the different nature of the Olympics is necessary, as is the fact that some nations will probably favour winter olympiads over summer ones (and vice versa) for internal RP reasons.

My suggestions for reform are as follows:

I - I agree with an NSOC participation model; I suggest restricting NSOC voting rights to any nation that posted a roster in either the last winter or summer olympics.

II - The OUC to gradually remove the non-hosting founding members (yes, including myself). Once there are three (or five?) different former Olympic hosts, the founding non-host members will lose their OUC voting rights, though perhaps they can be awarded 'honorary non-voting OUC membership' if anyone has an ego problem with that.

III - the creation of an NSOC president (as I've previously suggested) whose sole role is to maintain voting deadlines.

I'd suggest that we collate the whatever specific reform proposals are on offer, and then have the OUC vote on them by the end of this week. Then once we've restricted voting or voted ourselves out of existence (as necessary) we can quickly move on to deciding who the next olympic hosts actually are.

My 2 cents...

Whomever partcipated in both the Last 2 Olympics (winter and summer) and/or the Ylompics is eligible to be voted into the Council and no one else. Shouldn't be too hard to find the 15-50 people that actually RP'd in those.

Then we eliminate any countries that have cease to be, (7 or 8 is my best guess) since the conclusion of the summer games way back in Septemberish.

Then we post the list to the remaining countries and each country on the list can vote for 5 other countries, including themselves if they want, and the top 5 vote getters are the new Olympic Council. This council then will decide who hosts the next Olympics.

As for the next games (if this one ever starts.. then ever finishes) The host (if not already part of the Council) will join the Council, plus one other country as voted on by PARTCIPATING nations. After Every Olympics, three of the 7 countries on the council will be nominated, by the council, to be re-elected. If any of the 3 don't recieve at least 25% affirmative votes, then the council will nominate 3 countries to replace the 1.

What's the point of having a council. Why not let either anyone who meets your qualification for voting on the council vote directly for the hosts, or let anyone who wants to vote vote.

Here's a simple way. If someone wants to host an Olympics, why don't they just go ahead and start a thread. Then the higher council can choose to make it official or not in some way or another. Hey presto, your Olympics is under way and the decision process is quick.

Or is that just too simple?

Pawing is more than willing to participate in this honor filled game, for the glory of our country!

What's the point of having a council. Why not let either anyone who meets your qualification for voting on the council vote directly for the hosts, or let anyone who wants to vote vote.

"Council", used by most other than Qazox so far, has merely been a synonym for "People with votes". It sounds more professional than "people with votes", too.

Anyone who wants to vote voting is what we have now. :) Anyone with a thought in their brain throwing opinions around works fan-tastic, doesn't it?

Here's a simple way. If someone wants to host an Olympics, why don't they just go ahead and start a thread. Then the higher council can choose to make it official or not in some way or another. Hey presto, your Olympics is under way and the decision process is quick.

Or is that just too simple?

This is the way the Olympics should have started, instead of a halfassed council idea. Although, I have to admit, I have visions of the forum full of threads from people who the first thing they read is the word Olympics and experience the train of thought "nurr Olympics yay i r hosting".

This is the way the Olympics should have started, instead of a halfassed council idea. Although, I have to admit, I have visions of the forum full of threads from people who the first thing they read is the word Olympics and experience the train of thought "nurr Olympics yay i r hosting".

Which is precisely the problem, the reason why the World Cup votes on who the next hosts should be, and the reason why some sort of selection process for an Olympics is better than allowing just anyone to host.

I stand by my statement that the two problems we're facing here are a lack of accepted broader authority for the self-appointed current OUC, and an organisational paralysis resulting both from that lack of recognised broader authority and a lack of an internally recognised leader. Which is why I think we need some sort of WCC president-like figure to organise votes and deadlines.

Of the active OUC members, I think Casari and Ariddia are best placed to fulfill that role, and since previous hosting experience would probably carry more weight with non-OUC members, the diplomatic reality of the matter is that Casari probably has the more broadly recognised moral authority. Sorry, Ari, but the authority of non-hosting members -however experienced and sensible- is problematic at best, as recent discussions have shown.

As an OUC member myself, I would have no problem whatsoever with Casari organising both an OUC reform vote and/or an Olympic hosting vote.

We just need someone to grab the bull by the horns, and get things done instead of sitting here squabbling between ourselves.

And no, I won't do it myself, for reasons previously stated in the World Cup discussion thread.

As an OUC member myself, I would have no problem whatsoever with Casari organising both an OUC reform vote and/or an Olympic hosting vote.

Seconded.
:)

Of the active OUC members, I think Casari and Ariddia are best placed to fulfill that role, and since previous hosting experience would probably carry more weight with non-OUC members, the diplomatic reality of the matter is that Casari probably has the more broadly recognised moral authority. Sorry, Ari, but the authority of non-hosting members -however experienced and sensible- is problematic at best, as recent discussions have shown.


No need to apologise. It's a valid point. I'd be willing to do it if no-one else was, but I'm not going to actually ask for the task.


As an OUC member myself, I would have no problem whatsoever with Casari organising both an OUC reform vote and/or an Olympic hosting vote.


Thirded.

As an OUC member myself, I would have no problem whatsoever with Casari organising both an OUC reform vote and/or an Olympic hosting vote.


Forthded, if only to be able to say forthded, despite not having participated previously.

As an OUC member myself, I would have no problem whatsoever with Casari organising both an OUC reform vote and/or an Olympic hosting vote.



Fifthed, I have no problem with Cas organizing this.

BTW, happy halloween!!!

I have a problem, but it's only that I can't say "sixthed" properly.

Well, it hasn't seemed to stop anyone else. :p

I have a problem, but it's only that I can't say "sixthed" properly.
OT, but when lithping bokther Chrith Eubank hosted Top Of The Pops he had a bit of bad luck in the top 10...

"And now, at number thikth, Thuggth with "Thethilia"".

If we don't hear from the bid preparers in a day or two, I'll TG them.

Sounds fan-tastic.

While your support is endearing and various other terms I'll use instead of swears, I've had to sweep some stuff off my schedule over the past days in the forms of papers and stuff, so haven't been able to give the much more vital world of the internets as much attention as it should recently.

But as apparently I've been chosen to lead, I would like a hat worthy of someone in my position. Maybe something tall and poofy?

4) The loss of Krytenia - who as OUC founder had the closest thing going to moral authority over the OUC - has left us drifting since realistically no one's in charge

I believe I may be able to fix that.

Right-o, what appears to be the trouble peeps?

It seems you did a crap job starting a thread and a council based on the topic of conversation in IRC one day. :p

If we don't hear from the bid preparers in a day or two, I'll TG them.
I’ve been IRL for the past week, but I’ll post a fancy bid thread if/when someone else does. :p

Since it’d be nice if we actually had some events sometime, if no one objects within the next thirty-six hours, I’m going to assume I’m the Winter Olympics host and put up a signup thread.

Aye, it seems that nominating me for various things without my comment has gone out of style.

Try to get everyone in the right events this time. :p

Since it’d be nice if we actually had some events sometime, if no one objects within the next thirty-six hours, I’m going to assume I’m the Winter Olympics host and put up a signup thread.

I've given the other prospective bidders a nudge, but personally I wouldn't object if you got a signup thread up tomorrow. If you're the sole candidate, I can't really imagine any opposition, especially since we all know you did a great job last time.

Just post notice hear of when the sign-up sheet is ready so I don't miss it, please.

Count eating sand in.

The II Olympic Winter Games signup thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506346) is now up.

Hi,i want to ask a thing.I visited the articles of the NS wiki about the first winter olympics and I saw a list of the broadcasting companies of the games and I will ask you,do we have to decide the companies who will have the broadcasting rights?

no you don't have to decide or do anything. if you don't want to think of that you don't have to. It just adds depth and enjoyment to the game if you do. Generally the more fleshed out your country is the more interesting things are.

To Who Ever It Mite Concern

We Are A Very Unexperienced Nation But We Are Very Interested In Hosting The Olympics And If We Do Not Get To Host It We Would Like To Be A Participant In This Magnificent Event. So If You Chose Us All That We Are Going To Need Is Some Help From An Experienced Nation That Has Hosted Such An Event Before.

First off, just a piece of advice:

Only The First Letter In A Sentence Is Capitalized. Like This:

Only the first letter in a sentence is capitalized.

As for hosting the olympics. They already have a host. Go sign up for them.

To Who Ever It Mite Concern

We Are A Very Unexperienced Nation But We Are Very Interested In Hosting The Olympics And If We Do Not Get To Host It We Would Like To Be A Participant In This Magnificent Event. So If You Chose Us All That We Are Going To Need Is Some Help From An Experienced Nation That Has Hosted Such An Event Before.

Welcome to NationStates. The next Games already have a host. But you can send a delegation to compete in the Games by signing up here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506346).

thank you for letting me know

Yes,i know that now is too soon to say this but i have a question for the Upper Council.Will we celebrate summer Olympics this year?

If by "this year" you mean "before December 31, 2006", I doubt it. But we will hopefully have a 2nd Summer Olympiad at some point, yes. If someone is masochis- erm, brave and dedicated enough to host one. ;)

When I said "this year" I meant between today,and 24th November 2007.

no you don't have to decide or do anything. if you don't want to think of that you don't have to. It just adds depth and enjoyment to the game if you do. Generally the more fleshed out your country is the more interesting things are.

On that note, there is no reason that every nation has to limit their olympic coverage to one media ... as Az-cz said, the more fleshed out things are the better. Documenting them in NSWiki is fun too.

I'm assuming that the participation in this series of Olympic Games is good, but I know of a few nations that missed the deadline because we were not paying attention to this thread.

While we can have emails sent to us for this thread, I was wondering if somebody in the upper council wanted to take on the responsibility for building an email list of players whom want to be emailed with dates for future games and sign-up deadlines?

Yes,it's a great idea.

Is it still possible for the Holy Empire of New Propagandia to join the Olympic Committee? We would like to join to further our Nation's sporting ability.


Overseer of Sports
Samuel Johnson
Holy Empire of New Propagandia

Is it still possible for the Holy Empire of New Propagandia to join the Olympic Committee? We would like to join to further our Nation's sporting ability.


You're very much welcome to take part in the next Olympic Games when they happen. At present, the Second Winter Games are underway, and it's too late to join those. The Second Summer Games will be next, at an unscheduled date.

Coocoostan would like to participate in the next olympics, I don't visit these boards often, so a telegram would be much appreciated.

I assume the next Olympics is going to be summer, but let me say I'm open to hosting of the next Winter Games, time permitting and provided I get some help making a decent scorinator (unless Commerce Heights was just making them up in head all this while).

*überbump*

Capitalizt SLANI formally announces that it will bid to host the [summer] Games of the II Olympiad in Querzakhi, UCS. Any competing bid must be announced on or before Saturday, 2007–03–24 and some details must be provided on or before Saturday, 2007–03–31.

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OOC: I am currently working on a moderately usable Olympics scorinator (which uses a somewhat different formula than the previous Winter Olympics scorinator). It will support both summer and winter events, and should be finished prior to the III Olympic Winter Games (which I have no intention of hosting :p ).

Damn.. I forgot this was still around. last post prior to today was on Christmas... way back when Britteny Spears still had hair!

Crap, I missed out on the Second Winter Olympiad? :(

Crap, I missed out on the Second Winter Olympiad? :(

Yes (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Winter_Olympiad_II). In theory the Second Summer Ones should come next, but if no-one wants to host them, we can just skip them and move on to Winter again, I suppose...

In theory the Second Summer Ones should come next, but if no-one wants to host them

Capitalizt SLANI formally announces that it will bid to host the [summer] Games of the II Olympiad

Clearly no one’s going to host the next Summer Olympics :p

D'oh!

I... erm... Well, it's only 1pm here. Perhaps I'm not quite awake yet or something.

*rubs eyes, and blinks*

Clearly no one’s going to host the next Summer Olympics :p
I would host if I had the time. But I dont.

Are we allow to join?

Are we allow to join?

You can sign up to take part once there's a signup thread, yes.

I'd host an Olympics, but I can't ever seem to get a scorinator to work.

Thank god that crazy idea of finding more than one person willing to host is taking off. :p

i realy wish the Summer Olympiad 2 is actually going to happen. I have no interest in the winter games.

Sign up for the ylompics then, they are effectively the summer Olympics.

Thank god that crazy idea of finding more than one person willing to host is taking off. :p
So you’re volunteering? :p

The Bazalonian Olympic Comittee Announces that Fauxhan, will be a candidate city for the 2 NSOC Summer Olympiad

The Bureaucratic States of Oglethorpia hereby submits its request of membership in the Olympic Council, so as to participate in the upcoming Olympic Games.

The Bazalonian Olympic Comittee Announces that Fauxhan, will be a candidate city for the 2 NSOC Summer Olympiad

Good Job Bazalonia!

So you’re volunteering? :p

I'd rather have 18 hours of unnecessary surgery than host this again, thanks.

Bazalonia announces that it won't have venues ready in time to host the upcoming olympics and so withdraws it's bid for Fauxhan being the 2nd Olympic Host city.

The Querzakhi Olympic Bid Committee accepts its default selection as host city of the Games of the II Olympiad.

(OOC: Signup thread should be up tomorrow. The Games will start no later than 2007–05–02—I was expecting there to be a week-long vote during which to prepare—but optimistically, I think I’ll be ready around 2007–04–22. In any case, there should be plenty of time for everyone to get their signup done. )

The Querzakhi Olympic Bid Committee accepts its default selection as host city of the Games of the II Olympiad.

(OOC: Signup thread should be up tomorrow. The Games will start no later than 2007–05–02—I was expecting there to be a week-long vote during which to prepare—but optimistically, I think I’ll be ready around 2007–04–22. In any case, there should be plenty of time for everyone to get their signup done. )

Sweet.. Count me in... WAS already an raring to goo for the 2nd Ylompics.. but the Summer No. 2 will be good and I'm ready to defend my title in Women's Football!

Just wondering one thing for Football, are you going to use the KPB rankings for the "Men" and the Qazoxian one for the "Women"? or not?

Just wondering one thing for Football, are you going to use the KPB rankings for the "Men" and the Qazoxian one for the "Women"? or not?

That wouldn't make any sense. KpB rankings are NOT a Men's ranking and it's wrong to imply they are. If previous rankings get used the KpBs ought to be applied to both. But my guess, and hope, is that CH will use the variable point system used for the Winter Olympics, or something similar.

But my guess, and hope, is that CH will use the variable point system used for the Winter Olympics
Correct.

Just wondering one thing for Football, are you going to use the KPB rankings for the "Men" and the Qazoxian one for the "Women"? or not?
It’s likely that many of the nations entering football teams in the Olympics do not participate in the World Cup—and even more likely that nations entering women’s football teams in the Olympics do not participate in the Women’s World Cup—and there is no reason to penalize those nations for that. If you’re proud of your WWC rank, then you should set your women’s football team’s skill to 1 (as I will probably do for Capitalizt SLANI’s football teams).

Correct.


It’s likely that many of the nations entering football teams in the Olympics do not participate in the World Cup—and even more likely that nations entering women’s football teams in the Olympics do not participate in the Women’s World Cup—and there is no reason to penalize those nations for that. If you’re proud of your WWC rank, then you should set your women’s football team’s skill to 1 (as I will probably do for Capitalizt SLANI’s football teams).

No problem.. just was wondering how you would be able to differenciate between teams. (ooc: so no bonus for being the defending Champs??? lol)

Yes (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Winter_Olympiad_II). In theory the Second Summer Ones should come next, but if no-one wants to host them, we can just skip them and move on to Winter again, I suppose...

I can't host the Summer Games, but I'd like to participate. Is it possible for somebody to form an email list to let us know when the sign-ups eventually (fingers crossed) arrive?

I can't host the Summer Games, but I'd like to participate. Is it possible for somebody to form an email list to let us know when the sign-ups eventually (fingers crossed) arrive?
As noted six posts up, a host for the second Summer Olympics has been chosen (me) and the signups will be opened tomorrow (and linked from this thread). :)

Great! I'll just transfer my signup from the 2nd Ylompics.


Just wondering one thing for Football, are you going to use the KPB rankings for the "Men"

Not all countries send the same players to the World Cup and to the Olympics. Ariddia, for example, considers that the Olympics is for non-professionals, and hence most of the Rouge-et-Noirs are unable to participate.

Signups for the Second Summer Olympics (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522713) are now open.

Assuming it can round up an Olympic committee, Zwangzug (ZGZ) will join the council, sign up for Summer II (later), and look into this whole "demonstration event" thing.

I plan on hosting the third Olympic games, if i can figure out the scorinator

That planed to, is now a confirmed yes, I will be hosting the 3rd Winter Olympics, look for the signups in the next couple of weeks.

That planed to, is now a confirmed yes, I will be hosting the 3rd Winter Olympics, look for the signups in the next couple of weeks.
Shouldn’t you ask people whether they want to bid and give them a week or so to put up a bid thread? ;)

what CH said :P

The Taphel Athletic and Olympic Board would like to join the Olympic Commite

Lakava would be honored to have the Olympics.

Lovisa (LOV) want join to comittee

i dont know who has control over this, but could any competing bids be in by the end of the month. If I win, I'd like to have a signup sheet up by early June. Thanks.

i dont know who has control over this, but could any competing bids be in by the end of the month. If I win, I'd like to have a signup sheet up by early June. Thanks.

Quak, Don't know who is in charge, but basically if you can host, then you get them. Besides, it's not fair that CH has hosted 3 of the 4 so far, even though it was no fault of thier own. BTW again a great job CH!!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12720203#post12720203

The Sign-Ups for the third winter Olympics are open.

Given that Quakmybush is in Canada, why are the Winter Olympics being held in July?

haha, i want start getting the Olympics going a bit more often.

haha, i want start getting the Olympics going a bit more often.

About every 3 months will do, iffin we can vote on it.

Is this still open for joining??

Solenial would like to join (SOL)...

Have we decided when or where we are having the next Summer Olympics?

The Kingdom of Grasaland would like to join (GRA)

The Olympic Committee of Sorthern Northland would like to belatedly join. (SNO)

I don't like to have the Winter Olympics left hanging like that. Would it be possible for someone else to take over and scorinate the rest, even if just for the sake of knowing the results and for continuity?

I'm not violently opposed to giving it a try, for instance...

Have we decided when or where we are having the next Summer Olympics?
There is no host yet, so it will be sometime after we have a host (though ideally, the third Summer Olympics will be sometime around January and the fourth Winter Olympics will be sometime around April, so that the fourth Summer Olympics can be concurrent with the RL 2008 Summer Olympics).

I don't like to have the Winter Olympics left hanging like that. Would it be possible for someone else to take over and scorinate the rest, even if just for the sake of knowing the results and for continuity?

I'm not violently opposed to giving it a try, for instance...
Ask Quak for his files, and go for it.

the Olympic commitee of Ikoville would like to join the Olympic Council and be part of the Olympics

I cringe when I see this thread, to be honest. It takes extraordinary motivation and work to complete the Olympics... and it doesn't need to be voted on, either. If you want to do it, do it, and I'll see you in the asylum when you're done. =p

The Trade Union shall join your Olympics all 3 nations:
Albalast
Jocasta
Therasopoliss

Would it be possible/practical/pathetic to consider having different nations "host" different events? I'm sure it takes a tremendous amount of time and effort to scorinate the entirety of the Games, and I'm certainly part of the crowd that doesn't have that. But if several nations scorinated several events each...?

Would it be possible/practical/pathetic to consider having different nations "host" different events? I'm sure it takes a tremendous amount of time and effort to scorinate the entirety of the Games, and I'm certainly part of the crowd that doesn't have that. But if several nations scorinated several events each...?

Been done before, failed before.

Olympics have only ever been completed by - forgive me Cas and CH - mentalists. The dedication it takes is enormous.

There's not need to forgive you for stating the truth. Batshit insanity is a requirement for hosting.

The single worst part is that even after hosting two (And I would have done it a third time if there had been enough signups, another problem), the mental train still goes down the "Well, we can cut a few things, and take out this event, and add that event, and strech the schedule this way..." track. It's doing it right now, actually, to the point that I'm mentally measuring how much time it should take to scorinate nightly...

You know, if we eliminated the old fashioned gender barriers and allowed equal competition, it'll cut out a lot of events... and then we can add some...

Oh, I hate you guys. I'm not hosting, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not...

*curls up in the corner*

Would it be possible/practical/pathetic to consider having different nations "host" different events? I'm sure it takes a tremendous amount of time and effort to scorinate the entirety of the Games, and I'm certainly part of the crowd that doesn't have that. But if several nations scorinated several events each...?
Doing so would most likely increase the chance of errors in gathering signups (as each person would only be looking for a few lines out of the entire signup post and might miss some, rather than needing to pay attention to everything), and the chance that one of the hosts would disappear. It would also complicate the creation of a schedule and the issue of what IC city/cities the events take place in.

Creating a scorinator that can do more of the work—e.g., programming it to understand the specific rules of each event—is a far better solution (which I’ve done some work on, but won’t be finished anytime soon).

The national teams would like to compete

the Olympic commitee of Kansiov would like to join the Olympic Council and be part of the Olympics.

The fast growing nation of Alba Scotland would be delighted if she was invited to participate in the Summer and Winter Olympic Games. Sport and healthy competition is very important to us.

The Fujisawan Territories would like to join the Olympic Council.

The turkic peoples have expressed a will to join the olympics

The Fujisawan Territories would like to join the Olympic Council.

The turkic peoples have expressed a will to join the olympics

Ye gods! Uhm, this is rather... defunct, until someone with a lot of energy and time on their hands voluteers to host the next edition.

BHR wishes to join the Olympics.

The Glorified Ashen Remains of Vanek Drury Brieres would like to join the NationStates Olympic Council.

Aye, posting "I want to join the olympic council" is more or less an entirely moot point. Having done the Summer Olympics twice, you truly need lots of time on hand to do them, and even then, they're too big to get lots of participation.

Muffleberry (MUF) wants to join the olimpics

OOC: Is this thing actually still going? Or is it all caput? Just asking.

Oooh, and I do know it's an old thread.

If this is still in I'd love to enter.

If this is still in I'd love to enter.

Me too, which is why I asked.

i'd join if enough other people would do it, and somone else would host. Maybe we should start an altogether new olympic couincil and stuff.

i'd join if enough other people would do it, and somone else would host. Maybe we should start an altogether new olympic couincil and stuff.
We need a host, not a council.

I have some plans to do a Summer Olympics in August, to coincide with the RL games, but it’s too early to say that it’s definitely going to happen. And if someone else can pull it off, I’d happily step aside. :p

We need a host, not a council.

I have some plans to do a Summer Olympics in August, to coincide with the RL games, but it’s too early to say that it’s definitely going to happen. And if someone else can pull it off, I’d happily step aside. :p

We still haven't finished the last Olympics yet, the 3rd Winter Olympiad which was hosted by Quakmybush.

Though by now it should be offically dead.

I asked him to send me the files and instructions a while back so I could at least try to finish, since I'd like to host a full games at some point, but I never got any response.

"3rd Winter Olympics: abandoned due to weather" just doesn't sit well with me and I'm sure it doesn't for most of us.

I'm going to telegram most of the OUC members and see if I can get things going again. The hiatus was bothering me, and we do need to get the council back together if we want to pull this off.

@Kelssek: Is there actually anything the OUC could do if they actually met?

I'm going to telegram most of the OUC members and see if I can get things going again. The hiatus was bothering me, and we do need to get the council back together if we want to pull this off.

@Kelssek: Is there actually anything the OUC could do if they actually met?
*puts on Kelssek disguise* :p

The only thing the council would be needed for is to vote on a host, and that would only be necessary if there were more than one bid. As I said before, I’m planning to run a Summer Olympics in August. If someone does want to compete with that bid, then we can have a fancy vote and everything (though I’m not sure who’d be collecting the votes, since Ariddia and Casari are gone), but since the last three Olympics were held without an opposing bid, I’m not holding my breath…

I'm going to telegram most of the OUC members and see if I can get things going again. The hiatus was bothering me, and we do need to get the council back together if we want to pull this off.

@Kelssek: Is there actually anything the OUC could do if they actually met?

THe OUC - as of 17-03-2006 at 7:08 PM
The Archregimancy (Patchy involvement)
Ariddia (Essentially quit NS)
Bedistan (Active under 'Vephrall')
Krytenia (Active)
Pacitalia (Active/Patchy depending what he's up to)
Starblaydia (Active)
Spruitland (Ceased to exist)

Is there anything we could do if we 'met'? No, not really. There's only the partial sense of virtual authority that comes from being bigwigs in the current incarnation (both this and the previous one, for myself).

As has been said multiple times before in this thread, the Olympics has a multitude of speedbumps before it can be delivered to the community at large, most of which stem from the sheer enormity of Olympic events themselves. There are many, many events, which all require scorinators. Some can be modifications on a basic template (e.g. 100m is scored in a very similar way to the 200m, 15000m, Marathon, etc), while others have to be custom-built for each individual event. The second real hurdle is the sheer amount of entrants, both in terms of nations who wish to participate and also the number of individually named athletes those nations send, all that need to be kept track of. Both of these together create the third problem, the massive amount of time and effort required to bring them off.

1) Lots of scorinators
2) Lots of competitors
3) Lots of time

So far just New Manhattan and Casari (who no longer plays NS) have ever hosted what I would describe as 'successful' Summer Games (and a Winter one or two thrown in there as well), so when New Manhattan posts an Olympic Sign-up/Interest thread for the next Summer Games I'll be among the first to reserve my spot, enter pretty much every event and try and find names for all the athletes, OUC member or not.

*puts on Kelssek disguise* :p

The only thing the council would be needed for is to vote on a host, and that would only be necessary if there were more than one bid. As I said before, I’m planning to run a Summer Olympics in August. If someone does want to compete with that bid, then we can have a fancy vote and everything (though I’m not sure who’d be collecting the votes, since Ariddia and Casari are gone), but since the last three Olympics were held without an opposing bid, I’m not holding my breath…
Will the one in August end the hiatus and get Games running as regularly as they originally did, or would it be a one off?

Will the one in August end the hiatus and get Games running as regularly as they originally did, or would it be a one off?
That depends on who wants to host the fourth Winter Olympics and when. Maybe I’ll do it ten months from now if no one else has, but to get any better than that, someone else needs to be willing to host.

I'd be very happy to host. *thinks of a mountain city to invent*

Patetopia will be contending, and would like to enter Patetopia City's bid to host the winter olympics

Read the dates, will you?

I'd like to join as a participant, not as a host.

id like to participoate also

This isn't the sign-up thread.

STILL thinks we should finish off the 3rd Winter games, before we even begin the 3rd summer ones.. but then again.... Screw it. Starblaydia, since you or Vephrall or Krytenia or SLANI are the closest things to a "OUC Ppesident" just declare the winter games over and excetra...

Still think I would have won double golds in BoarderCross, the gold in the 2 and 4 man bobsled and maybe the Women's curling.

And sicne we're talking about it, ANY.. any.. any... chance we can just cut out the sailing part of the Summer games?

STILL thinks we should finish off the 3rd Winter games, before we even begin the 3rd summer ones.. but then again.... Screw it. Starblaydia, since you or Vephrall or Krytenia or SLANI are the closest things to a "OUC Ppesident" just declare the winter games over and excetra...

Still think I would have won double golds in BoarderCross, the gold in the 2 and 4 man bobsled and maybe the Women's curling.

And sicne we're talking about it, ANY.. any.. any... chance we can just cut out the sailing part of the Summer games?

It would have been nice if I had won any medal at all.

This isn't the sign-up thread.

Is joining still open?

STILL thinks we should finish off the 3rd Winter games, before we even begin the 3rd summer ones.. but then again.... Screw it. Starblaydia, since you or Vephrall or Krytenia or SLANI are the closest things to a "OUC Ppesident" just declare the winter games over and excetra...

I think we can safely say that an immense tragedy occurred when the entirety of Quakmybush was sucked into a mini-singularity, which QMB scientists were experimenting with at the time. Fortunately for the NSOC, the site of the Winter Games themselves was protected from the gravity effects by an incredibly fat man, known to outsiders as 'Eww, look at him!' who balanced the gravitational effects just long enough for all associated athletes to escape the disaster via train, plane, teleportation, pogostick and bobsled.

This member of the OUC looks forward to the next Summer Olympiad, hoping that such a fate will not befall any futher competitions.

I think we can safely say that an immense tragedy occurred when the entirety of Quakmybush was sucked into a mini-singularity, which QMB scientists were experimenting with at the time. Fortunately for the NSOC, the site of the Winter Games themselves was protected from the gravity effects by an incredibly fat man, known to outsiders as 'Eww, look at him!' who balanced the gravitational effects just long enough for all associated athletes to escape the disaster via train, plane, teleportation, pogostick and bobsled.

This member of the OUC looks forward to the next Summer Olympiad, hoping that such a fate will not befall any futher competitions.

Sounds to me as if Mr. E.L.A Him might well have been an agent of the Dreamed Realm.

In so far as my tuppence count for anything, the whole problem with the original OUC, as first conceived, was that it was attempt to impose a World Cup Committee structure from the beginning rather than allowing the Olympics to evolve their own hierarchy. The original members of the OUC - which of course included myself - were essentially self-appointed, leading to reasonable objections as to what our authority rested upon. The original World Cup Committee, founded by Ariddia and myself [with my other nation] evolved out of the nations who hosted the first World Cups.

Perhaps in an ideal world, the original members of the OUC would have simply faded away once enough nations had hosted the Olympics (and if we look into the history of this thread, we should see an attempt by me to do something along those lines), but here we run into the fundamental difference between the Olympics and the World Cup - the sheer scale of the former. This meant that very few nations had the time, skill, and motivation to attempt to host and scorinate such a massive event, meaning that the pool of new OUC members was always going to be inherently limited. It also meant that running the Olympics in as regular a manner as the World Cup was always going to difficult, perhaps impossible, and that having multiple host bids was always going to be unlikely anyway.

The Olympics can't be run the same way as the World Cup. Whether they can have, or even need, a formal governing structure in the same way as the World Cup is also open to question.

About three years ago, my now defunct region held a widescale Summer Olympics for the 30-or so nations that were involved. The person who did the actual scorinating, instead of having the Olympics in his nation held a bidding process much like you see in the real world, where the proposals to host were absolutely amazing. The winning bidder ended up being yours truly and the whole region was excited about having an Olympics. Then the enormity (sp?) of the project set it when only about five of the 30 or so nations that said they wanted to participate actually provided a name list. A name list which gets absolutely huge for every such event. The person doing it then made the mistake of offering to do it for everyone, and he found himself generating names for about 20 nations. How he had the will to do it, I really don't know.

When they eventually started, they went well for about the first five days, and then many people just stopped RPing. About 10 days into it, I was like one of three people that were still even bothering to read the thread, and this person not only got discouraged, he got somewhat mad at everyone who said they would participate and then never were. He started putting things off, working at his own pace instead of by the schedule, but eventually, he did finish it to its conclusion. But after that, the once very active person stopped doing anything for the region, stopped his baseball league he was also running and basically said "screw you" to many people. He only really talked to a few people after that, which I was one, and then about four months later, he would go CtE, and has never been seen on NS again, to my knowledge.

My point is that we all think an Olympics sounds cool. But as some people have pointed out, actually simulating one is an absolutely enormous task, and to make it worthwhile, people absolutely must participate, and do so at a high level, at a World Cup Qualifying level, and nothing less. Don't just say you'll do it because it seems cool. Only say you'll do it if you intended to actively participate in all aspects as the person scorinating is essentially committing every possible minute of free time he or she has in their life for the 2 weeks, or more, that it will take.

New, For the NSOlympics, it took about a month ot get all the events donw with about 30-35 nations that provided a list of name and about 15-20 that actually RP'd.

I do have one suggestion, a serious one.

The OLYMPICS, should be held ONCE A YEAR. In August for the Summer ones and February for the winter ones. AND if possible have at least 2 people scorinating events which are split as evenly as possible so that no one person has to accomplish the task single-handedly.

The OLYMPICS, should be held ONCE A YEAR. In August for the Summer ones and February for the winter ones.
The Olympics should be held whenever someone is willing to hold them. This isn’t the WC; with a shortage of hosts, this sort of “top-down” directive is useless.

AND if possible have at least 2 people scorinating events which are split as evenly as possible so that no one person has to accomplish the task single-handedly.
Co-hosting adds an additional point of failure. It could be done, but isn’t necessarily better. And we’d need at least two hosts to be able to do it… :p

The Olympics should be held whenever someone is willing to hold them. This isn’t the WC; with a shortage of hosts, this sort of “top-down” directive is useless.


Co-hosting adds an additional point of failure. It could be done, but isn’t necessarily better. And we’d need at least two hosts to be able to do it… :p

I think Qazox was stating that since it seems that it involves A LOT OF WORK, wouldn't be easier to spilt it up, like in the World CUp?

I think Qazox was stating that since it seems that it involves A LOT OF WORK, wouldn't be easier to spilt it up, like in the World CUp?
It’s easier only with good planning and communication; otherwise, it could be harder. If someone thinks it would help, then they should do it, but there’s no reason to force it.

I do grant you the first point, it should be up to whomever hostes one as to when to have it.

But as for the second point, yes it maybe a failure point to have 2 people host, but in the case of Quak and the 3rd Winter games, a 2nd person who has knowledge of and access to all of the scorinators used for those games would be a benefit, as they could take over for the first team in case of CTE, perosnal reasons, computer blows-up, etc.

It's just an idea.

Signups for the third Summer Olympics (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=560269) are now open.

bumpage for something. oh were gonna need a new council if 3SO works

No we don't. There's no need for a 'council' of any kind when you can just take all the nations who've signed up for the games.

OFFICIAL KRYTENIA NOC ANNOUNCEMENT

The city and ski resort of Monthuez, Krytenia, officially applies to host the Games of the IVth Winter Olympiad.

More to follow.

East Ying would be happy to join this organization, and would wish to submit a bid for hosting the event in one of my cities, prefferably Gu-Chan city

i wish to host the 30th summer olympics in Atlantea, Taeshan that should give me enough time to get a better computer and figure the stuff out.

The Kingdom of Fulmaria, not a very sporty nation, is thinking of taking part in the Games of the IV Olympiad. We are yet to formalise it, but it is a possibility.

Fulmaria wouldn't mind hosting the Games of the VII Olympiad in 2012, although that is a while away. (O.O.C. This is to coincide with the hosting of London, the capital of my real country.) The capital, Penton, is the most likely candidate, although Shuret, the main city of the county of Sellow and another Sellowean city of Gazzaville have also got an intrest.

Regards,
The Kingdom of Fulmaria

Ascelonia would be glad to host the Olympiad IV! We offer the great metropolis of Ascelonia City!

OOC: I wonder if we could make an Olympiad for math like they have in RL.

Vermonias is not a country that is big in to hosting sporting events, but our people would feel proud to serve on the council. We are strong decision makers & hard workers. So please consider us for the Council.

~The Republic of Vermonias~

The Sovereign and Serene Principality of Roumebrre, as we have sportsbears competing in the current Summer Olympics, also requests addition to the roll of this Council's member nations.


Alexandre Brumas (senior),
Chairbear,
Committee Olympic Roumberree.


_____________________________________________

(OOC: This nation is a puppet of 'Bears Armed', which is already on the NSOC's list. I'm posting this request because [a] it's an independant nation IC, and [b] I need to get its number of posts above 10 in order to remove the risk of Jolt requiring Moderator approval for -- and thus delaying the appearance of -- its Olympics-related RP posts...)

Hold The Freaking Press!

Why is Qazox Not In Either Association Football Tourney?

I Was The First To Post Rosters And They Are The 1st Athletes I Have Posted.)

I Demand A Replay Of The Group Stages.

PROOF: http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13823805&postcount=3 and http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13823857&postcount=2

Espcially the Women's Football, seeing as we're the FIRST GOLD MEDALISTS!

AND NO I'm not gonna settle for ICly: The paperwork was lost.

CH: Is there anyway you can put my soccer teams in one of the groups that has had a team have a bye? That way, you only have to scorinate MY TEAM'S matches vs. the teams that had a bye, (less of a headache than RE-SIMMING the ENTIRE FIRST 2 DAYS of those competitions.

(Men's team should go in GROUP G)
(Women's team in either E or F)

I would've Complained earlier, but thought I had a Bye and you forgot to mention that my teams did.

The Democratic Republic of Iglesian Archipelago will make the Iglesian Olympic Comitee (IOC).

Iglesian Code: IGL

Signed,
The Democratic Republic of Iglesian Archipelago.

I think we should start a new NSOC thread as this one is getting old and it would be easier to find all the stuff if we posted all participating countries on a first page, and i think if we are able to keep the Olympics running (a couple a year its a big event so maybe only a summer and winter every year) that we should get a new thread and stuff.

The Republic of Bianco Lupo is glad to join Olympics if it is possible...

I'm on the verge of announcing the bid for Prenteg, Gerainia.
{/ooc}

I think we should start a new NSOC thread as this one is getting old and it would be easier to find all the stuff if we posted all participating countries on a first page, and i think if we are able to keep the Olympics running (a couple a year its a big event so maybe only a summer and winter every year) that we should get a new thread and stuff.
There’s no reason we can’t continue to use this as a discussion thread—if Krytenia could edit the original post (in particular, removing the list of nations and emphasizing that this is not a signup thread) and ask the mods to change the title to something like ‘Olympic Games (NSOC) Discussion Thread,’ that would help.

There’s no reason we can’t continue to use this as a discussion thread—if Krytenia could edit the original post (in particular, removing the list of nations and emphasizing that this is not a signup thread) and ask the mods to change the title to something like ‘Olympic Games (NSOC) Discussion Thread,’ that would help.

I would have to agree.

The Republic of Dimbubabwe want to join to NSOC if it's possible.

The Republic of Dimbubabwe

Iglesian Archipelago wants to host the IV Olympiad in its capital, Los Vientos.

Iglesian Archipelago is glad to joing NSOC.

Hmm, Kry are you planning on doing anything with this, and possibly anyone still considering hosting.

can colbourne join olympic council

Myedvedeya would be happy to join the olympic council, if the olympic council will allow us to be a member.

Kura-Pelland wishes to express an interest in joining the NSOC. Tentative plans are being made for a hosting bid in the future, with Trilan the near-certain source of any Summer Olympic bid, and Isetkilde the obvious Winter Olympic host city.

West Zirconia also wishes to join, and compete in future Olympics.
Hosting, however, we shall leave to other more experienced nations - for now.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/kelchek/alavaria-4thwinterolympics.png

Kelssek officially makes an OMG SERIOS bid to host the IV Olympic Winter Games in Alavaria (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Alavaria).

We propose to hold this event in December 2008 or February 2009 (depending on how free I am IRL). CH's Olympic scorinator will be used.

I would like to join olympic counsel if it is not to late

Linpada will indeed apply for Olympic Membership, please.

Thoughts of Randomness wishes to be a part of the Olympic Counsel, if possible.

A question _
Over in RL, it's the International Olympic Committee that decides which sports should be included in the Games, the international bodies for the individual sorts that decide how far professionals will be eligible for inclusion in those sports' events, and presumably either the IOC or the separate sports' international bodies that decide which events shall be included for each of the sports. What's the situation here in NS, as far as the NSOC is concerned: Are all of these decisions to be taken by the host nation, or is the host nation bound to copy (with the possible exception of 'demonstration' events...) the set-up from the latest set of Games in RL, or does/should the NSOC have any input into these matters?

What's the situation here in NS, as far as the NSOC is concerned: Are all of these decisions to be taken by the host nation, or is the host nation bound to copy (with the possible exception of 'demonstration' events...) the set-up from the latest set of Games in RL, or does/should the NSOC have any input into these matters?Given that the NSOC is no longer active, I would say not.

I would like to parrticipate!

Okay everone ive decide that i will start a new thread, and will take all knew signups there. All teams already signed up will be included in this. From the origina;l post if you are not on it you will have to officially join it with a new sign uo.

Lovisa (LOV) wish to join

A question _
Over in RL, it's the International Olympic Committee that decides which sports should be included in the Games, the international bodies for the individual sorts that decide how far professionals will be eligible for inclusion in those sports' events, and presumably either the IOC or the separate sports' international bodies that decide which events shall be included for each of the sports. What's the situation here in NS, as far as the NSOC is concerned: Are all of these decisions to be taken by the host nation, or is the host nation bound to copy (with the possible exception of 'demonstration' events...) the set-up from the latest set of Games in RL, or does/should the NSOC have any input into these matters?

We just usually have the same events as the RL Olympics, for a couple of reasons:
1- Most people who follow the Olympics/signup for the NSversion know what those sports are.
2- We are lazy.

Okay everone ive decide that i will start a new thread, and will take all knew signups there. All teams already signed up will be included in this. From the origina;l post if you are not on it you will have to officially join it with a new sign uo.

And who gave you the right to decide such? A new thread was not needed at all.

i wrote this in the other one but still

Kjomasasopia (KJO) wishes to sign up

Moving here in the hopes the other one will be locked...

The Olympics are far too large and unwieldy to be administered under such a system, and the Olympics are now held whenever a nation (usually the nation previously known as Commerce Heights) feels that they have the time and inclination to put in the massive amount of work necessary to run the damn thing.

That has indeed been the trend in general, but what happens when we have multiple seemingly competent (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13892607&postcount=942) bids (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14044324&postcount=965) for the same tournament?

I don't think the current system is functional either, but it would be nice to come to some sort of consensus.

If Krytenia could edit the OP to indicate that there is no formal council and this is a discussion thread rather than a signup thread, I think that would solve any problems there may be with continuing to use this thread.

That has indeed been the trend in general, but what happens when we have multiple seemingly competent (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13892607&postcount=942) bids (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14044324&postcount=965) for the same tournament?

I don't think the current system is functional either, but it would be nice to come to some sort of consensus.
If Kelssek and Krytenia put up bid threads (saying when they expect to start, how many days it will last, what events will be included, their policy on demonstration events, and with what goodies they intend to bribe NSOC representatives from the UCS :p ), then I imagine we’d have a vote among people who participated in the last Winter or Summer Olympics (47 nations, discounting ex-nations, puppets, and candidates), unless someone else has a different idea.

Can we still sign up because Australiah wishes to join in.

I'll host to if i can, Capital City of Melbourne.

If Kelssek and Krytenia put up bid threads (saying when they expect to start, how many days it will last, what events will be included, their policy on demonstration events, and with what goodies they intend to bribe NSOC representatives from the UCS :p ), then I imagine we’d have a vote among people who participated in the last Winter or Summer Olympics (47 nations, discounting ex-nations, puppets, and candidates), unless someone else has a different idea.

Alternatively we have a single signup thread first with a deadline and all those that signed up would then get to vote.

Alternatively we have a single signup thread first with a deadline and all those that signed up would then get to vote.
If the bids agree on the rules for signups (i.e., the same events, maximum entries for each event, maximum overall entries, and method for proposing and entering demonstration events), that would work for now, but it wouldn’t be a good system to use in general, since such agreement might not necessarily be possible in the future.

I don't see why rosters can't be done separately after a host has been decided. The only thing stopping that would be the time factor.

I don't see why rosters can't be done separately after a host has been decided. The only thing stopping that would be the time factor.
That would essentially be the same as an open vote (not that that’s necessarily bad), since saying “lulz we sing up” is no guarantee of actually entering athletes later.

If Krytenia could edit the OP to indicate that there is no formal council and this is a discussion thread rather than a signup thread, I think that would solve any problems there may be with continuing to use this thread.

Ask, and ye shall receive.

I don't see why rosters can't be done separately after a host has been decided. The only thing stopping that would be the time factor.

Well the Olympics need Rosters, or we'll see results like this:


Men's 100m Finals
Quakmybush Runner: 9.85
Joeblow Runner: 9.86
Quakmybush Runner2: 9.95

ETC.

I'd like to recommend, IF we ever get an NSOC up again that IF you sign up for an Olympics, and don't post a roster, then you get dropped.

Totally missed my point, but whatever.

The first real release of the Columbia Olympic scorinator, xkoranate, is now finally available. (http://www.thirdgeek.com/ns/xkoranate/) (This only includes winter sports, as many of the summer sports need to be updated.)

Also, in case anyone is unaware, Kelssek has opened signups for the IV Olympic Winter Games. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=576391)

For the record:

IV OLYMPIC WINTER GAMES, ALAVARIA, KELSSEK
RP thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=580461)
Signup/OOC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=576391)
Results thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=580991)

Nice job, Kelssek.

I know it's got to be a hell of a lot of work.

Hell, I'm rushed for time just to do the drum & bugle corps championships, which isn't nearly as complex as this has to be.

Thanks!

Are we going to shoot for the next Summer Games sometime this...summer? That'll be about a year since the last ones.

Thanks to Kelssek for all the hard work of running the Olympics.

I'll third that. GJ Kelssek!

Thanks guys. As I said, it was quite fun to do.

Hey guys, I'm really sorry about bailing on the Olympics, but I had some real tough RL stuff come up, plus the computer all the files were on broke.

I'll forgive you Quak, only if you give me all the medals that were unclaimed!!!! LOL :) WB hopefully this time for good. we've missed ya!