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Welcome to the NationStates Olympic Discussion thread. You may have previously known this as a sign-up thread for the NSOC - but to be honest a Council is not really required for this. So now it's for NS Olympic discussion.

More details will appear here later.

Bedistan will of course be willing to participate, and Sonoma City would like to submit a bid to host the Summer Games of the First Olympiad.

Raging Penguins will support and participate in this. Bloco'yce City has the conditions needed for the Winter Games, and puts in its bid.

As a new nation hoping to emerge on the international scene, Kelse would love to participate as a member of the NSOC. At the moment, we will not put in a bid to host the games, however we will conduct a feasibility study on the major cities in our country.

Casari is, of course, more than willing to participate in this international endeavor, and the Capital City of Tyrellia has already announced it's bid for the first Summer Games as well.

Sel Appa will gladly join the Olympics and will apply to host both the first winter and summer games:
Winter-Dasha, Leninstag
Summer-Nemnenait

EDIT: Nemnenait has been selected as Sel Appa's bid for the Summer Olympics.

Its sport, and Kry's cunningly put some purple on the graphic. How can I not sign-up? Count me in.

Count me in

The following letter was sent to the NSOC

NSOC
Krytenia

To Whom it may Concern;

The Bazalonian people after hearing about an international event such as the Nationstate Olympics would be horrified if there was not a Bazalonian team involved. As a result the Bazalonian Government wishes to join in on this endeavor. To help on this endeavor the government has established the Bazalonian Olympic Committee(BOC), an organisation that wishes to be affialted with NSOC, that handles internal olympic related matters such as deciding upon the persons that will represent us.

Thank you.

Yours Sincerly, Taite Jones
President of the BOC

OOC: Consider the NSIOC dead, then. I wouldn't want to compete with you anyway, Kry, I respect ya too much. Consider me a member of this little organisation, for sure. :)

And I will consider putting Timiocato up for the Summer Games.

The Oliverrian Intersport Federation will enter the NSOC with pleasure! Marshalliston will put a bid to host the first Winter Olympics!

Spruitland will naturally send a shipload of deadbeats to participate in pretty much every event. We are, however, far too lazy to host something of this nature, so we will not put in a bid.

Becquerelia is extremly excited about the opportunity to be involved with the NationStates Olympic Council. We will not make a bid for hosting a games at this time, though we may consider doing so in the future.

Yafor 2 will, of course, participate. That should be taken for granted.

ASMV is more than willing to help build this into something that works. We have no desire to host an entire games, but should the games be split between more than one host country count us in for some of it.

Algal states would be pleased to participate in the NSOC.

The Holy Monastic Republic of the Archregimancy is considering entering the NSOC Olympics as physical fitness is pleasing in the eyes of the Lord. However, the Holy Synod first wishes to be reassured that it will not be forced to enter into mixed-gender events, and that participants in athletics will be permitted to wear their full monastic robes.

Also, the Holy Synod wishes to inquire as to whether fasting might be made a demonstration event.

Milchama signs up and tries to remember where they have seen Raging Penguins before. We also will not bid to host but will think about that maybe at some future to be undetermined host a tournament.

Milchama signs up and tries to remember where they have seen Raging Penguins before. .


Lancre cup

Er...We only put our dangerous criminals on the football team. Honest.
They won't be in the Olympics. Honest.
Our Skeleton Luge team may savagely attack other teams when they lose, but that's about it(because raging penguins can't ski, and they don't like bobsleigh). If the winter Olympics are hosted near Bloco'yce City, nobody will get hurt. Or at least, nobody will die a particularily gruesome death.
(We've also funded a couple of political parties in Milchama, but nobody needs to know about that)

The OFLE (Olympic Federation of Liverpool England) have expressed an interest at Stadt Nicht hosting the winter games, with its proximity to the Gulp Mountains of Liverpool England. Orean is also bidding for the summer games, and consider us in.

Count Hockey Canada in.

After a feasibility study was done on a Kelsian Olympics, the Kelsian Government has announced they will bid for the first annual Summer Games, to be held in Santa Monica (San Monica), the capital of Kelse. In association with the NSOC, Kelse has announced the creation of the Kelsian National Olympic Committee (KNOC). The first action of the KNOC was to begin the bid for the games in Santa Monica, and so they have released the logo for the games...

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the Most Serene Republic of Qazox will Like to Join the Nations of the World in the NSOC but refrains from hosting due to the usual nature of our oxen (they can get a bit testy around strangers sometimes.)

After a feasibility study was done on a Kelsian Olympics, the Kelsian Government has announced they will bid for the first annual Summer Games, to be held in Santa Monica (San Monica), the capital of Kelse. In association with the NSOC, Kelse has announced the creation of the Kelsian National Olympic Committee (KNOC). The first action of the KNOC was to begin the bid for the games in Santa Monica, and so they have released the logo for the games...

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OOC: The NSOC logo is different from the real life Olympic Rings logo. The image is linked to on the first post of this thread.... Just letting you know so that your image can be right. :)

Thanks for noticing that mistake! Actually I did kind of think of that, but went ahead with the rings instead since the rings are kind of one of the first things that come to your mind when you think of the Olympics... On second thought, i'm going to go with the NSOC Logo... i'll update the logo soon, and once again thanks! :)

La Respubliko de Pli Granda Hungario is more then happy to support this event and host it in the beutiful city of Budapest.

Also, the Holy Synod wishes to inquire as to whether fasting might be made a demonstration event.

While the Spruitland government has no religious objections to the suggestion to make fasting a demonstration event, we have been receiving negative reactions from various national organizations - most notably Anorexics Anonymous.
The Spruitland Ministry of Sports would therefore like to suggest to also make Hotdog Eating a demonstration event. Our national record holder - who set the record to 49 hotdogs in 12 minutes last year - would be more than happy - yes, even hungry - to be an ambassador for his sport at the next Olympiad.

Bid images

Winter Games:
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Summer Games:
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While the city of Tyrellia is slightly ashamed of it's lack of artistic skill, it has decided to release it's bid logo nonetheless.

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Also, after careful consideration, it has been determined a possible schedule for their bid. They are currently considering an Olympic Program of Twenty days, with the first being the Opening Ceremonies, then eighteen days of events, including all Sports and Events on the current Olympic Program and the possibility of several demonstration events, before the games close on the final day with the Closing Ceremonies. It is felt that the eighteen day schedule will provide enough events in a day to be worthwhile, while also spreading the events out enough to avoid stressing the infrastructure of the city and the Olympic workers.

Fmjphoenix will follow suit and send some players that can do more than just play football and talk a lot of crap.

The Comité Olympique Ariddien is pleased to confirm that the PDSRA would gladly send a delegation to any Olympic Games. We do not wish, however, to submit a hosting bid.

The Holy Monastic Republic of the Archregimancy is considering entering the NSOC Olympics as physical fitness is pleasing in the eyes of the Lord. However, the Holy Synod first wishes to be reassured that it will not be forced to enter into mixed-gender events, and that participants in athletics will be permitted to wear their full monastic robes.

Also, the Holy Synod wishes to inquire as to whether fasting might be made a demonstration event.

Participant nations may enter as many or as few events as they wish.

Monastic robes are fine, as long as they go under mandatory equipment checks.

The Black Lion shall run rampant on all who stand in its way. (we'll sign up.)

IMPORTANT INFORMATION:

The NSOC will be made up of two Committees.

The Upper Council (OUC) will consist initially of seven nations, with any nation successfully hosting a Games joining this committee. The Committee will decide which applicant cities will be put forward to the final vote. They will also vote on decisions where a quick vote is required.

The General Council (OGC) will consist of all NSOC member nations and their man job as Council members will be to pick the host from Candidate Cities.

Note: Although puppet nations may join the NSOC, they must be declared as puppets and which nation they are a puppet of, and will not be entitled to a vote.

The first three OUC members will be NSOC founder Krytenia, NSWC founder Ariddia, and NSIOC founder Pacitalia. The other four members will be decided over the next seven days.

The other four members will be decided over the next seven days.

Does this mean potential members should request to join, and that the three existing members will vote on that basis?


(As a point of detail, Ariddia's sport code is ARI, not ARD. A list of sport codes for various nations can be found here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Nation_codes#International_sports_codes).)

As long as we're posting bid logos, here's Sonoma City's:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/a/harleyt_1387/SonomaCityOlympicLogo.png

Schiavonia would like to join the NSOC, with the Schiavone government and King Francesco considering whether or not to put forward Kingsbury as a potential host city.

Does this mean potential members should request to join, and that the three existing members will vote on that basis?


(As a point of detail, Ariddia's sport code is ARI, not ARD. A list of sport codes for various nations can be found here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Nation_codes#International_sports_codes).)

Actually, that's a good idea. We'll do that.

As long as we're posting bid logos, here's Sonoma City's:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/a/harleyt_1387/SonomaCityOlympicLogo.png
And -Here's- (http://thewirecutters.com/WC/album_mod/upload/177a0b7326d05fab2aecbf5309e4fa7d.jpg) Bloco'yce City's. With Bloco'yce in the backround...

I think prospective hosts - especially those from outside the NS sporting community - should be aware of just how much work this will entail.

A whole goddamn pisspot full of work, to be precise.

I think prospective hosts - especially those from outside the NS sporting community - should be aware of just how much work this will entail.

A whole goddamn pisspot full of work, to be precise.
I fully agree.
15 Winter Sports(total)
40 Summer Sports(total)

Probably 48-up nations' teams in each event, plus the practice runs, qualifiers, etc.
Suggestion: the Summer games ought to be split up between several nations, or it may never get up off its feet.

Just 40 sports, eh? Then with Men's and Women's, say a maximum of 3 or 4 athletes each, it'll take 3 nations just to run the sign-ups.

The People's Republic of Vincesuela (PRV) would be thrilled to be a participant in any Olympic games. Our Nation is not however ready to submit a hosting bid. We look forward to the spectacle and joy that International athletics can bring.

The Sovereign Village of San Adriano will participate, and send a symbolic delegation. The small size of our nation prevents us from fielding a great number of athletes.


OOC: San Adriano is a puppet of Ariddia.

:) Hill-Billy-Hoola is a fun-loving nation willing to offer itself to host either the winter or summer games. :)
We will, ofcourse, support them with the financial clout of our thriving economy. :)

40 events isn't the half of it. After scheduling, hosts might have to scorinate almost 70 different things per day. Let that sink in.

Irregardless, The Tyrellian Summer Olympic Bid is currently pressing forward with the development and announcement of the Tyrellian Summer Olympic Event Schedule. (http://www.dirt-racing.com/3wide/sites/nsoc/Tyrelliasgs.xls) It's very pretty and colorful and everything, but kind of shows the immense pain I'm going to be in for two and a half weeks.

The Kerician Olympic Association requests to join the NSOC, and send athletes to both the summer and winter games.

Hosting the Summer Olympic Games would be unreal in terms of work, first theres the logistics of the games (venues, scheduling, etc.), than theres getting everything together in terms of the sign-ups, and than the actual event, having to put on the two major ceremonies, and than scorinating (qualifying would be a major pain) for individual events and than team events which would include pool play, it would be hell for a nation to recieve the games.

Therefore, the KNOC is currently putting the bid for the Santa Monica Games on hold, perhaps waiting to enter the bid for the next Olympiad. However, I am very interested in a multi-nation Olympiad, and would love to participate. I have done many things to prepare for the Santa Monica Games, and have many ideas that I would be willing to share with any other nation up to splitting the bid with me.

Also, kudos to Casari, putting up that schedule had to be a lot of hard work and effort and research!

The Schedule would be much, much reduced with only holding one race. It would have much less of an "Olympic" feel, though.

Irregardless, I believe that the difficulty isn't in scorinating itself, it's scorinating a lot at once, which I believe in possible for someone to do. It might be hell, but I consider it possible, but also very rewarding. Considering limits to entries might be important too, as that could also do a lot of work to cut the fields down to manageable size. Maybe something like 3 for individual competitions, 2 to pairs competitions, and one to team competitions.

The Weegies would like to apply to the NOC.

The Nomadic Peoples of Luchamos requests to join the Olympics. We would send an average sized delegation to winter and summer games if accepted.

Yeah, if we do have an Olympics I don't think we should cut every thing down to one race. However, in events like boxing and wrestling I think the NSOC should combine weight divisions or just take some out entirely. It would cut some work, make it easier for host country. Also, I think it would be better if summer games were split, since I don't think a whole lot of nations would be interested in hosting something of this magnitude. I mean it can be done, but how many nations will want to do it?

Anyways, i'd fully support a nation (such as yourself) that would be willing to take on this endeavor.

40 events isn't the half of it. After scheduling, hosts might have to scorinate almost 70 different things per day. Let that sink in.

Irregardless, The Tyrellian Summer Olympic Bid is currently pressing forward with the development and announcement of the Tyrellian Summer Olympic Event Schedule. (http://www.dirt-racing.com/3wide/sites/nsoc/Tyrelliasgs.xls) It's very pretty and colorful and everything, but kind of shows the immense pain I'm going to be in for two and a half weeks.

OOC: I realise that I'm logged on as the wrong nation (as many of you already know, I'm also the Archregimancy), but can I just say on behalf of the entire Dreamed Realm that this is some damned fine work on the part of Casari!

Reducing the weight classes for the sports with weight classes would be a tremendous help. Reducing it to a straight Lightweight, Middleweight, and Heavyweight would preserve the fact that there ARE weight classes, but reduce the workload tremendously.

A similar thing could be done with Sailing, by removing some of the boat classes.

The Incorporated States of The Kazoo Peoples' Ministry of Sport has recently created a sub-division within itself called the Ministry of Olympics. That being said, the newly-formed sub-division has announced their intentions to enter both the winter and summer Olympics.

They have also announced that they would be willing to host the games (along with other nations, as it looks like the Olympics will be a lot of work) in their capital Kazoo City, as well as an alternative location of Untitled.

The Holy Monastic Republic of the Archregimancy hereby humbly announces its availability for one of the four up-for-grabs slots on the Olympic Upper Council should the existing three members believe that the Archregimancy might bring something to this exciting missionary opportunity. Sorry. We meant 'exciting sporting endeavour'.

OOC: If you're going to include Arry based on founding the NSWC, then you may as well include KN for the Cherry Cup, TBF for the FHWC and myself for the U21WC.

OOC: If you're going to include Arry based on founding the NSWC, then you may as well include KN for the Cherry Cup, TBF for the FHWC and myself for the U21WC.

And myself for the NS Bowl :p

The Federated Cantons of Chicanda (Olympic abbreviation CHC) would like to join the General Council.

The city-canton of Southampton and the CSF will be submitting a bid to host the First Winter Olympiad.

I'd like to join the Upper Council, but I'd prefer to do it via hosting than nomination. :p

I've made a variation of the schedule, after looking at some prospective cuts. Sports with Weight Classes - Weightlifting, Wrestling (Greco-Roman and Freestyle), Taekwondo, Judo, and Boxing - were cut down to three weight classes - Lightweight, Middleweight, and Heavyweight. Also, Sailing had the Star and Yngling classes cut. Then, I was able to rearrange some events, namely moving the first two days of Canoeing and Kayaking back a day.

Tyrellia Summer Olympic Schedule Version 2 (http://www.dirt-racing.com/3wide/sites/nsoc/Tyrelliasgs2.xls)

These cuts made major changes to the number of events- namely, in the first version, most days were north of 80 events, now only three are above 70, and specifically, Day 12, a murderous 94 event day lost a full two dozen, now resting at a balmy 70.

Thanks Casari for all you have done... I might have some suggestions on the schedule, but I'll get back to you on that...

I'd like to join the Upper Council, but I'd prefer to do it via hosting than nomination. :p

I've made a variation of the schedule, after looking at some prospective cuts. Sports with Weight Classes - Weightlifting, Wrestling (Greco-Roman and Freestyle), Taekwondo, Judo, and Boxing - were cut down to three weight classes - Lightweight, Middleweight, and Heavyweight. Also, Sailing had the Star and Yngling classes cut. Then, I was able to rearrange some events, namely moving the first two days of Canoeing and Kayaking back a day.

Tyrellia Summer Olympic Schedule Version 2 (http://www.dirt-racing.com/3wide/sites/nsoc/Tyrelliasgs2.xls)

These cuts made major changes to the number of events- namely, in the first version, most days were north of 80 events, now only three are above 70, and specifically, Day 12, a murderous 94 event day lost a full two dozen, now resting at a balmy 70.

OOC:
you can make it even better by dropping baseball and softball - they've been given the axe, though I can't remember if they'll be dropped after Beijing or whether they've already been given the chop.
On another note entirely - this one isn't directed to brave Casari specifically - has any thought been given to the mechanics of scorination and how to keep track of participants if nations get to pick and choose which events they enter?

IC:
The new Monastic Olympic Committee wishes to announce a preliminary list of sports in which the Archregimancy might be able to field competitive athletes:

Athletics
1) Men's 3000m steeplechase
2) Men's 20K and 50K walk
3) Men's marathon

Canoeing/kayaking
1) Men's single slalom canoe
2) Men's single slalom kayak

Sailing
1) Men's 470
2) Men's Mistral

Archery
1) Men's individual
2) Men's team

Weightlifting
1) Men's lightweight
2) Men's middleweight
3) Men's heavyweight

However, at least one member of the Monastic Olympic Committee wishes to vigorously protest at the absence of men's duet synchronised swimming from the program as Fr. Simeon the Swimmer and Fr. Kyrill the Coordinated have been practising in the baptismal font for the last three weeks, and are extremely disappointed at the discrimination inherent in their exclusion.

I actually have a spectrum of scorinators prepared, shock. :p

We could cut baseball and softball, but I was a little reluctant to do so since I like Baseball and Softball. But they are post-Beijing cuts and probably could go. If nothing else, for interims, we maybe could consider the feasability of Olympic Qualifying Tournements in order to cut the Team Sport fields down to acceptable levels, such as thirty-twos.

But in theory, there's another prospective cut that we could make, and that would be Soccer/Football. With the existance of the World Cup and the importance of that, would an Olympic Tournament be able to compete, or be necessary?

The Second Empire of the Golden Throne [The Macabees] is looking to enter into the several competitions, providing teams for the Olympics.

I was looking at Canoeing/Kayaking...

I feel we should drop any differences in length in these events...

Days 10, 13, 15
Men's FC-1 1000m,
Women's FC-1 1000m,
Men's FC-1 500m, and
Women's FC-1 500m
to be replaced by:
Men's FC-1 [750m]
Women's FC-1 [750m]

Men's FC-2 1000m,
Women's FC-2 1000m,
Men's FC-2 500m, and
Women's FC-2 500m
to be replaced by:
Men's FC-2 [750m]
Women's FC-2 [750m]

Thereby eliminating 4 events from days 10, 13, and 15.
New Totals:
Day 10: 65 Events, 17 Finals
Day 13: 70 Events, 15 Finals
Day 15: 47 Events, 16 Finals

Day 11, 14, 16
Men's FK-1 500m and
Men's FK-1 1000m
to be replaced by:
Men's FK-1 [750m]

Men's FK-2 500m and
Men's FK-2 1000m
to be replaced by:
Men's FK-2 [750m]

Women's FK-4 500m and
Women's FK-4 1000m
to be replaced by:
Women's FK-4 [750m]

Thereby eliminating 3 events from days 11, 14, and 16.
New Totals:
Day 11: 60 Events, 9 Finals
Day 14: 65 Events, 10 Finals
Day 16: 65 Events, 14 Finals

Baseball and Softball are removed as of 2012 Olympics. If removed, the following totals will be (does not include canoe/kayak changes):

Day 2: 44 Events, 1 Final
Day 3: 61 Events, 5 Finals
Day 4: 59 Events, 13 Finals
Day 5: 67 Events, 15 Finals
Day 6: 67 Events, 5 Finals
Day 7: 72 Events, 9 Finals
Day 8: 63 Events, 8 Finals
Day 9: 62 Events, 28 Events
Day 10: 67 Events, 17 Finals
Day 11: 61 Events, 9 Finals
Day 12: 68 Events, 18 Finals
Day 13: 72 Events, 15 Finals
Day 14: 66 Events, 10 Finals
Day 16: 66 Events, 10 Finals
Day 17: 54 Events, 17 Finals
Day 18: 53 Events, 16 Finals
Day 19: 42 Events, 42 Finals

I actually have a spectrum of scorinators prepared, shock. :p

We could cut baseball and softball, but I was a little reluctant to do so since I like Baseball and Softball. But they are post-Beijing cuts and probably could go. If nothing else, for interims, we maybe could consider the feasability of Olympic Qualifying Tournements in order to cut the Team Sport fields down to acceptable levels, such as thirty-twos.

But in theory, there's another prospective cut that we could make, and that would be Soccer/Football. With the existance of the World Cup and the importance of that, would an Olympic Tournament be able to compete, or be necessary?

Eh, Olympic Qualifying Tournaments? Not a bad idea. Don't have any ideas to the contrary, so I don't know yet.

Soccer/Football could be pheasibly cut... as we do have such frequent soccer/football tourneys. I'm still unsure of this one.

I suggest another cut though... in the sailing/rowing/canoeing/kayaking... there's a boatload of all those, and it kinda scares me!

Rowing: 6 to 8 a day for 8 days. Can we simplify this into a select few competitions, i.e. the really important ones? Or, eliminate the sport? Or, eliminate the most recent categories of the sport?

Sailing: 6 to 16 events a day for 9 days, then tapers off to 1 to 4 events for 4 days. Cut the most recent sports? Cut the sport? See above.

Canoeing/Kayaking: Some events aren't equally split among men/women. Do we cut all events that don't have both, seeing as it really isn't too important? See above.

Good idea on cutting many of the sea events, and also I agree on cutting football, with the WC and it's many other competitions I don't think these Olympics should have the event. Also, just an idea...

Do we really need Badminton and Table Tennis? That's sixteen days of at least two events each every day, that would take another noticable load of work of the host. Once again, just a suggestion...

And Kyrtenia, if your willing to take a new, small nation with lots of ideas, i'm soo up for joining the Upper Council...

The sheer number of events and the work involved is why I hinted at split hosts in my previous post. It would make it easier for all involved and take less time to complete.

Thats just my opinion.

I totally agree with you, splitting the events and ceremonies straight down the middle would be easier, faster, and maybe even more efficient. I would enjoy co-hosting with any prospective NSOC Members, so if anyone would like to talk I am open...

The Difficulties that I have aren't so much in the racing sports, as you can scorinate times for all the the teams at once. The difficulty in the combat sports and team sports is that unless you have an automated scorinator like one done in Java, each match needs to be done individually.

I'd think the Flatwater Canoeing and Kayaking could be cut down to be all 1000m events, as that's more of a nice round number, but that's mostly nitpicking. That is a point well taken, as the Rowing events are all differentiated by the number of people.

Sailing, I'm a little more wary about cutting from. They're not overdifficult to scorinate, as sailing is done in fleets, but the classes. Mistral is Sailboarding, The Europe and Finn are Women's and Men's Singles, the Laser is Open Singles, the 470 is Men and Women's Doubles, the 49er is an high performance doubles class, and Tornado is a multihull boat. While the sailing events do seem pretty heavy, they could be spread out much more to be one race a day. The Laser could feasably go too upon a second look. But sailing is fundamentally different depending on the boat.

I see a major difference with removing events within a sport and removing an entire sport though, and I don't want to do that to any.

Also, might I point out all the competitions listed in Orange are Possible events, not ones that would definately happen regardless. For a team sport to fill all the pool play days, it would need 14 teams in a group. Team Sports is by far a sport that would need to be adjusted once an entry list is known.

Lets see what everyone else has to say. But I would be interested in putting forth a co-host bid with you, Kelse.

Andossa Se Mitrin Vega, I would be more than happy to co-host with you. It would be simple to split everything, with 40 Sports we can go straight down the middle and each pick 20, and than decide who gets the Openining Ceremony and who gets the Closing. We should talk about it sometime, through telegram or maybe a messenger, I would very much like to be part of a two nation summer olympiad.

I will send you a TG. and we can go from there.

The Most Serene Republic of Qazox would like to suggest some things:

1st that a "newbie country (such as this one)" be allowed on the Higher Council.
2nd: since this isn't the RL.... we don't have to have the same events as in the RL Olympics

and our proposal for events to use and # of Participants:

SUMMER OLYMPIC GAMES
Basketball-- 16 teams in 4 groups of 4 in double round-robin; group winners to meet for single round-robin best record gets GOLD

Soccer --16 teams in 4 groups of 4 in single round-robin; winners to meet for single round-robin; best record gets GOLD(like the olympic one in that only U-25 teams can play).

Track and Field-- All events, max of 2 participants per event except for marathon, 3 participants for marathon and triathalon.

Gymnastics--All events execpt for Rythmic. 5 men and 5 women per team.

Judo and Karate-- 128 person tourney in 3 weight classes for both men and women. Classes: MEN: lightweight- <150 lbs.(<68kg); middleweight 151-175 lbs.(68kg-80kg); and heavyweight 175 lbs.(80kg)+. WOMEN: lightweight <115 lbs.(52 kg); middleweight 115-145 lbs.(52-66 kg); heavyweight 145 lbs.(66kg)+ (max weight of 220 lbs.(100 kg) Men; 175lbs.(80kg) women.
one person per country per weightclass.

Weightlifting:4 weight classes for both men and women. Classes: MEN: lightweight- <150 lbs.(<68kg); middleweight 151-175 lbs.(68kg-80kg); and heavyweight 175 lbs-220 lbs.(80-100kg); Super-heavyweight 220 lbs.(100kg)+. WOMEN: lightweight <115 lbs.(52 kg); middleweight 115-145 lbs.(52-66 kg); heavyweight 145-180 lbs.(66-82 kg); Super-heavyweight 185lbs.(82kg)+. one person per country per weightclass.

Baseball,Softball, Field Hockey, Team Handball, Volleyball, and Water Polo - if voted in, 16 teams in 4 groups of 4 in double round-robin; winners to meet for single round-robin best record gets GOLD

Badminton, Tennis, Golf, Beach Volleyball-- If voted in, 32 players single elimination matches. for badminton and beach volley ball doubles.

Equestrian, Archery Sailing, Kayaking, Canoeing, Cycling (road, x-country and short track)- Bye-bye unless voted in, then limited to 2 people per country.

Swimming and Diving- All events, max of 3 participants per event except for swimming relays then 4 are allowed.

WINTER OLYMPIC EVENTS

HOCKEY: 20 teams for men & women. 4 groups of 5; group winners single round-robin for GOLD

All Skiing, Snowboaring events (incl. Biathalon) and all skating events (incl. figure and short track) max of 2 participants. execption: pairs figure skating 2 teams.

Curling-- if voted in, then 20 teams 4 groups of 5, group winners single round-robin for GOLD.

Bobsleigh, luge and skeleton, max of 10 participants per country, max of 8 men or 8 women. and no more than 3 in a single event (execpt for 4-man) (so you have to choose what you want your 10 people to compete in)

(ooc- if i forgot to list any events.. then they probably don't need to be in at all :rolleyes: )

Euroslavia wishes to take part in the Olympics, and would gladly participate on the Higher Council if needed.

How involved will nations have to be? Is this modern tech / future?

I'd like to create a few fictional atheletes for Winter games and white water events, but I don't like to do dialog based RPs. I have the start on a nice NSWiki entry for my nation complete with some ecology and geography articles. I won't have near enough finished in the next few months, but I do think a year from now I'll be able to provide an incredible winter playground. :) (My nation is modeled after Switzerland, so my NSWiki entries have a lot of photos from my vacation there.)

So basically I'd love to participate and but I just can't help out with the management. I can however, recruit nations from my region to also participate as well as our other allies. :)

The Incorporated States of The Kazoo Peoples' hosting bid is looking for a partner for a joint bid. Interested parties can post to this thread, or contact the Ministry of Sport's sub-committee, the Ministry of Olympics via telegram.

Note that this prospective bid is for the summer games. A winter bid is unlikely, as our nation is not renowned for its mountainous regions.

Druida would like to apply for associate membership (what with it being a puppet of Schiavonia and what have you.)

We also propose, along the lines of Qazox, that we don't use the same line-up of events as the RL olympics. Only a selected committee (the higher council, perhaps?) would consider them for a number of factors.

For example:

1) Their appeal for RPing. If they're alerady popular with a large enough number of nations, it might be worth considering including them.
2) The ease of scorination. If there's already a scorinator for a sport, it might be a good idea to include it.
3) Where lots of different classes of a single sport exist, the consideration of condensing these.

It would also be worthwile to include some sports which are not included in the RL olympics, such as American Football, due to their popularity amongst nations on NS. Not that it's popular in Druida, mind. (Or Schiavonia, for that matter.)

Personally, I think the choice of the events should be done one or two ways:

1- The choice of what events involved are the responsibility of those submitting the bid. They are the ones who would have to score the things anyway.
2- Several sports could be put up to a vote of the General Council on Elimination or Addition of new events.

I don't see the scope as much of an issue as everyone else, apparently. Part of why I enjoy the Olympics in the first place is you can see all of the sports you don't usually see every day. The same way, I wouldn't want the Olympics to become Athletics, Swimming, and whatever we have scorinators handy for. If there's a direction we should move, it's away from sports that already have their own competitions already, hense the cutting of football.

If we're just looking for massive hacks, we could remove the gender seperations, which would seriously cut into the number of events. In my schedule, though, I'm reluctant to cut any more, particularly because I really want to do a bunch of events and I think they all have various values.

*shrugs* We'll never know unless we try it.

Audioslavia (AUD) would like to sign up :)

For the sports that already have their own competition, why not do it so that only amateurs or junior players can be part of those teams? It would be interesting to see what each nations can do with players of beer-league level.

Le Comité pour la nomination de Marshalliston pour les 1eres olympiades du NSOC unvails their logo. It pictures a blue mountain with dark green snow in background with a city at the down of the mountain. Le Comité hopes that they will be chosen.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Oli55/olympicsbidlogo.png

There is a French version of the logo as well right here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Oli55/olympicsbidlogofrench.png

The nation of An archy would like to participate in these Olympics.

Several opinions and suggestions have been stated by various posters. I think it would help to have a list of these opinions and suggestions.

1. Our aim is simple: to create a Games that will be seen through to its conclusion rather than splutter out after a few days.

2. The current list of Olympic sports (check www.olympics.org (www.olympics.org)) will be used for both Summer and Winter Games.

3. Ideally, I'd like to see the Winter Games started off first, however this may be subject to change depending on interest.

4. Participant nations may enter as many or as few events as they wish.

5. Monastic robes are fine, as long as they go under mandatory equipment checks. {This statement was made in refferance to The Archregimancy's statement: Participants in athletics will be permitted to wear their full monastic robes.}

6. The NSOC will be made up of two Committees.

The Upper Council (OUC) will consist initially of seven nations, with any nation successfully hosting a Games joining this committee. The Committee will decide which applicant cities will be put forward to the final vote. They will also vote on decisions where a quick vote is required.

The General Council (OGC) will consist of all NSOC member nations and their man job as Council members will be to pick the host from Candidate Cities.

7. Although puppet nations may join the NSOC, they must be declared as puppets and which nation they are a puppet of, and will not be entitled to a vote.

8. The first three OUC members will be NSOC founder Krytenia, NSWC founder Ariddia, and NSIOC founder Pacitalia. The other four members will be decided over the next seven days.

9. Actually, that's a good idea. We'll do that. {This statement was made in refferance to Arridia's statement: "Does this mean potential members should request to join, and that the three existing members will vote on that basis?"}


1. Consider the NSIOC dead, then. I wouldn't want to compete with you anyway, Kry, I respect ya too much.


1. Should the games be split between more than one host country count us in for some of it. {This is really an implicit suggestion, but it the first suggestion of any kind that there should be multiple host countries, so I decided it was worth noting.}

2. The sheer number of events and the work involved is why I hinted at split hosts in my previous post. It would make it easier for all involved and take less time to complete.

Thats just my opinion.

1. The Holy Synod first wishes to be reassured that it will not be forced to enter into mixed-gender events.

2. Participants in athletics will be permitted to wear their full monastic robes.

3. Can I just say on behalf of the entire Dreamed Realm that this is some damned fine work on the part of Casari! {This statement was made in reffercance to Casari's statement: Irregardless, The Tyrellian Summer Olympic Bid is currently pressing forward with the development and announcement of the Tyrellian Summer Olympic Event Schedule. (http://www.dirt-racing.com/3wide/sites/nsoc/Tyrelliasgs.xls) It's very pretty and colorful and everything, but kind of shows the immense pain I'm going to be in for two and a half weeks.}

4. You can make it even better by dropping baseball and softball - they've been given the axe, though I can't remember if they'll be dropped after Beijing or whether they've already been given the chop.

5. On another note entirely - this one isn't directed to brave Casari specifically - has any thought been given to the mechanics of scorination and how to keep track of participants if nations get to pick and choose which events they enter?

6. However, at least one member of the Monastic Olympic Committee wishes to vigorously protest at the absence of men's duet synchronised swimming from the program as Fr. Simeon the Swimmer and Fr. Kyrill the Coordinated have been practising in the baptismal font for the last three weeks, and are extremely disappointed at the discrimination inherent in their exclusion.
Bazalonia's Opinions & Suggestions]
1. The NSOC logo is different from the real life Olympic Rings logo. The image is linked to on the first post of this thread.... Just letting you know so that your image can be right. {This statement was made in refferance to Kelse's statement: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6426/smol4ft.png

1. While the Spruitland government has no religious objections to the suggestion to make fasting a demonstration event, we have been receiving negative reactions from various national organizations - most notably Anorexics Anonymous.
The Spruitland Ministry of Sports would therefore like to suggest to also make Hotdog Eating a demonstration event. Our national record holder - who set the record to 49 hotdogs in 12 minutes last year - would be more than happy - yes, even hungry - to be an ambassador for his sport at the next Olympiad. {This statement was made in refferance to The Archregimancy's statement: The Holy Synod wishes to inquire as to whether fasting might be made a demonstration event.}

1. After careful consideration, it has been determined a possible schedule for their bid. They are currently considering an Olympic Program of Twenty days, with the first being the Opening Ceremonies, then eighteen days of events, including all Sports and Events on the current Olympic Program and the possibility of several demonstration events, before the games close on the final day with the Closing Ceremonies. It is felt that the eighteen day schedule will provide enough events in a day to be worthwhile, while also spreading the events out enough to avoid stressing the infrastructure of the city and the Olympic workers.

2. 40 events isn't the half of it. After scheduling, hosts might have to scorinate almost 70 different things per day. Let that sink in.

3. The Tyrellian Summer Olympic Bid is currently pressing forward with the development and announcement of the Tyrellian Summer Olympic Event Schedule. (http://www.dirt-racing.com/3wide/sites/nsoc/Tyrelliasgs.xls) It's very pretty and colorful and everything, but kind of shows the immense pain I'm going to be in for two and a half weeks.

4. The Schedule would be much, much reduced with only holding one race. It would have much less of an "Olympic" feel, though.

5. I believe that the difficulty isn't in scorinating itself, it's scorinating a lot at once, which I believe in possible for someone to do. It might be hell, but I consider it possible, but also very rewarding.

6. Considering limits to entries might be important too, as that could also do a lot of work to cut the fields down to manageable size. Maybe something like 3 for individual competitions, 2 to pairs competitions, and one to team competitions.

7. Reducing the weight classes for the sports with weight classes would be a tremendous help. Reducing it to a straight Lightweight, Middleweight, and Heavyweight would preserve the fact that there ARE weight classes, but reduce the workload tremendously.

8. A similar thing could be done with Sailing, by removing some of the boat classes. {This statement was made in refferance to Casari's own statement: A similar thing could be done with Sailing, by removing some of the boat classes.}

9. I've made a variation of the schedule, after looking at some prospective cuts. Sports with Weight Classes - Weightlifting, Wrestling (Greco-Roman and Freestyle), Taekwondo, Judo, and Boxing - were cut down to three weight classes - Lightweight, Middleweight, and Heavyweight. Also, Sailing had the Star and Yngling classes cut. Then, I was able to rearrange some events, namely moving the first two days of Canoeing and Kayaking back a day.

Tyrellia Summer Olympic Schedule Version 2 (http://www.dirt-racing.com/3wide/sites/nsoc/Tyrelliasgs2.xls)

These cuts made major changes to the number of events- namely, in the first version, most days were north of 80 events, now only three are above 70, and specifically, Day 12, a murderous 94 event day lost a full two dozen, now resting at a balmy 70.

10. I actually have a spectrum of scorinators prepared, shock. :p

11. We could cut baseball and softball, but I was a little reluctant to do so since I like Baseball and Softball. But they are post-Beijing cuts and probably could go.

12. If nothing else, for interims, we maybe could consider the feasability of Olympic Qualifying Tournements in order to cut the Team Sport fields down to acceptable levels, such as thirty-twos.

13. But in theory, there's another prospective cut that we could make, and that would be Soccer/Football. With the existance of the World Cup and the importance of that, would an Olympic Tournament be able to compete, or be necessary?

14. The Difficulties that I have aren't so much in the racing sports, as you can scorinate times for all the the teams at once. The difficulty in the combat sports and team sports is that unless you have an automated scorinator like one done in Java, each match needs to be done individually.

15. I'd think the Flatwater Canoeing and Kayaking could be cut down to be all 1000m events, as that's more of a nice round number, but that's mostly nitpicking. That is a point well taken, as the Rowing events are all differentiated by the number of people.

16. Sailing, I'm a little more wary about cutting from. They're not overdifficult to scorinate, as sailing is done in fleets, but the classes. Mistral is Sailboarding, The Europe and Finn are Women's and Men's Singles, the Laser is Open Singles, the 470 is Men and Women's Doubles, the 49er is an high performance doubles class, and Tornado is a multihull boat. While the sailing events do seem pretty heavy, they could be spread out much more to be one race a day. The Laser could feasably go too upon a second look. But sailing is fundamentally different depending on the boat.

17. I see a major difference with removing events within a sport and removing an entire sport though, and I don't want to do that to any.

18. Also, might I point out all the competitions listed in Orange are Possible events, not ones that would definately happen regardless. For a team sport to fill all the pool play days, it would need 14 teams in a group. Team Sports is by far a sport that would need to be adjusted once an entry list is known.
19. Personally, I think the choice of the events should be done one or two ways:

1- The choice of what events involved are the responsibility of those submitting the bid. They are the ones who would have to score the things anyway.
2- Several sports could be put up to a vote of the General Council on Elimination or Addition of new events.

20. I don't see the scope as much of an issue as everyone else, apparently. Part of why I enjoy the Olympics in the first place is you can see all of the sports you don't usually see every day. The same way, I wouldn't want the Olympics to become Athletics, Swimming, and whatever we have scorinators handy for. If there's a direction we should move, it's away from sports that already have their own competitions already, hense the cutting of football.

21. If we're just looking for massive hacks, we could remove the gender seperations, which would seriously cut into the number of events. In my schedule, though, I'm reluctant to cut any more, particularly because I really want to do a bunch of events and I think they all have various values.

1. Does this mean potential members should request to join, and that the three existing members will vote on that basis?

2. (As a point of detail, Ariddia's sport code is ARI, not ARD. A list of sport codes for various nations can be found here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Nation_codes#International_sports_codes).) {This statement was made in refferance to Krytenia's incorrect listing of Arridia's sports code in the first post of this thread.}

1. I think prospective hosts - especially those from outside the NS sporting community - should be aware of just how much work this will entail.

A whole goddamn pisspot full of work, to be precise.

2. Just 40 sports, eh? Then with Men's and Women's, say a maximum of 3 or 4 athletes each, it'll take 3 nations just to run the sign-ups. {This statement was made in refferance to Raging Penguin's statement: I fully agree. 15 Winter Sports(total) 40 Summer Sports(total)}

1. I fully agree. 15 Winter Sports(total) 40 Summer Sports(total) {This statement was made in refferance to Starblaydia's statement: I think prospective hosts - especially those from outside the NS sporting community - should be aware of just how much work this will entail.

A whole goddamn pisspot full of work, to be precise.}

2. Probably 48-up nations' teams in each event, plus the practice runs, qualifiers, etc.

3. The Summer games ought to be split up between several nations, or it may never get up off its feet.

1. Hosting the Summer Olympic Games would be unreal in terms of work, first theres the logistics of the games (venues, scheduling, etc.), than theres getting everything together in terms of the sign-ups, and than the actual event, having to put on the two major ceremonies, and than scorinating (qualifying would be a major pain) for individual events and than team events which would include pool play, it would be hell for a nation to recieve the games.

2. Kudos to Casari, putting up that schedule had to be a lot of hard work and effort and research! {This statement was made in refferance to Casari's statement: Irregardless, The Tyrellian Summer Olympic Bid is currently pressing forward with the development and announcement of the Tyrellian Summer Olympic Event Schedule. (http://www.dirt-racing.com/3wide/sites/nsoc/Tyrelliasgs.xls) It's very pretty and colorful and everything, but kind of shows the immense pain I'm going to be in for two and a half weeks.}

3. Yeah, if we do have an Olympics I don't think we should cut every thing down to one race.

4. In events like boxing and wrestling I think the NSOC should combine weight divisions or just take some out entirely. It would cut some work, make it easier for host country.

5. Also, I think it would be better if summer games were split, since I don't think a whole lot of nations would be interested in hosting something of this magnitude. I mean it can be done, but how many nations will want to do it?

Anyways, i'd fully support a nation (such as yourself) that would be willing to take on this endeavor.

6. Good idea on cutting many of the sea events.

7. I agree on cutting football, with the WC and it's many other competitions I don't think these Olympics should have the event.

8. Do we really need Badminton and Table Tennis? That's sixteen days of at least two events each every day, that would take another noticable load of work of the host.

9. I totally agree with you, splitting the events and ceremonies straight down the middle would be easier, faster, and maybe even more efficient.

1. They have also announced that they would be willing to host the games (along with other nations, as it looks like the Olympics will be a lot of work) in their capital Kazoo City, as well as an alternative location of Untitled. {This is another implied opinion that the games should be split between multiple hosts. Once again, I felt that it was worth noting these sorts of implied opinions and suggestions.}

2. Thanks Casari for all you have done... I might have some suggestions on the schedule, but I'll get back to you on that...

3. I was looking at Canoeing/Kayaking...

I feel we should drop any differences in length in these events...
Thereby eliminating 4 events from days 10, 13, and 15.
Thereby eliminating 3 events from days 11, 14, and 16.

4. Baseball and Softball are removed as of 2012 Olympics. If removed, the following totals will be (does not include canoe/kayak changes):

Day 2: 44 Events, 1 Final
Day 3: 61 Events, 5 Finals
Day 4: 59 Events, 13 Finals
Day 5: 67 Events, 15 Finals
Day 6: 67 Events, 5 Finals
Day 7: 72 Events, 9 Finals
Day 8: 63 Events, 8 Finals
Day 9: 62 Events, 28 Events
Day 10: 67 Events, 17 Finals
Day 11: 61 Events, 9 Finals
Day 12: 68 Events, 18 Finals
Day 13: 72 Events, 15 Finals
Day 14: 66 Events, 10 Finals
Day 16: 66 Events, 10 Finals
Day 17: 54 Events, 17 Finals
Day 18: 53 Events, 16 Finals
Day 19: 42 Events, 42 Finals

5. Eh, Olympic Qualifying Tournaments? Not a bad idea. Don't have any ideas to the contrary, so I don't know yet.

6. Soccer/Football could be pheasibly cut... as we do have such frequent soccer/football tourneys. I'm still unsure of this one.

7. I suggest another cut though... in the sailing/rowing/canoeing/kayaking... there's a boatload of all those, and it kinda scares me!

Rowing: 6 to 8 a day for 8 days. Can we simplify this into a select few competitions, i.e. the really important ones? Or, eliminate the sport? Or, eliminate the most recent categories of the sport?

Sailing: 6 to 16 events a day for 9 days, then tapers off to 1 to 4 events for 4 days. Cut the most recent sports? Cut the sport? See above.

Canoeing/Kayaking: Some events aren't equally split among men/women. Do we cut all events that don't have both, seeing as it really isn't too important? See above.

1. If you're going to include Arry based on founding the NSWC, then you may as well include KN for the Cherry Cup, TBF for the FHWC and myself for the U21WC. {This statement was made in refferance to Krytenia's statement: The first three OUC members will be NSOC founder Krytenia, NSWC founder Ariddia, and NSIOC founder Pacitalia. The other four members will be decided over the next seven days.}

1. And myself for the NS Bowl :p {This statement was made in refferance to Liverpool England's statement: If you're going to include Arry based on founding the NSWC, then you may as well include KN for the Cherry Cup, TBF for the FHWC and myself for the U21WC.}
2. For the sports that already have their own competition, why not do it so that only amateurs or junior players can be part of those teams? It would be interesting to see what each nations can do with players of beer-league level.

1. Since this isn't the RL.... we don't have to have the same events as in the RL Olympics

2. Our proposal for events to use and # of Participants:

SUMMER OLYMPIC GAMES
Basketball-- 16 teams in 4 groups of 4 in double round-robin; group winners to meet for single round-robin best record gets GOLD

Soccer --16 teams in 4 groups of 4 in single round-robin; winners to meet for single round-robin; best record gets GOLD(like the olympic one in that only U-25 teams can play).

Track and Field-- All events, max of 2 participants per event except for marathon, 3 participants for marathon and triathalon.

Gymnastics--All events execpt for Rythmic. 5 men and 5 women per team.

Judo and Karate-- 128 person tourney in 3 weight classes for both men and women. Classes: MEN: lightweight- <150 lbs.(<68kg); middleweight 151-175 lbs.(68kg-80kg); and heavyweight 175 lbs.(80kg)+. WOMEN: lightweight <115 lbs.(52 kg); middleweight 115-145 lbs.(52-66 kg); heavyweight 145 lbs.(66kg)+ (max weight of 220 lbs.(100 kg) Men; 175lbs.(80kg) women.
one person per country per weightclass.

Weightlifting:4 weight classes for both men and women. Classes: MEN: lightweight- <150 lbs.(<68kg); middleweight 151-175 lbs.(68kg-80kg); and heavyweight 175 lbs-220 lbs.(80-100kg); Super-heavyweight 220 lbs.(100kg)+. WOMEN: lightweight <115 lbs.(52 kg); middleweight 115-145 lbs.(52-66 kg); heavyweight 145-180 lbs.(66-82 kg); Super-heavyweight 185lbs.(82kg)+. one person per country per weightclass.

Baseball,Softball, Field Hockey, Team Handball, Volleyball, and Water Polo - if voted in, 16 teams in 4 groups of 4 in double round-robin; winners to meet for single round-robin best record gets GOLD

Badminton, Tennis, Golf, Beach Volleyball-- If voted in, 32 players single elimination matches. for badminton and beach volley ball doubles.

Equestrian, Archery Sailing, Kayaking, Canoeing, Cycling (road, x-country and short track)- Bye-bye unless voted in, then limited to 2 people per country.

Swimming and Diving- All events, max of 3 participants per event except for swimming relays then 4 are allowed.

3. Our proposal for events to use and # of Participants:
WINTER OLYMPIC EVENTS

HOCKEY: 20 teams for men & women. 4 groups of 5; group winners single round-robin for GOLD

All Skiing, Snowboaring events (incl. Biathalon) and all skating events (incl. figure and short track) max of 2 participants. execption: pairs figure skating 2 teams.

Curling-- if voted in, then 20 teams 4 groups of 5, group winners single round-robin for GOLD.

Bobsleigh, luge and skeleton, max of 10 participants per country, max of 8 men or 8 women. and no more than 3 in a single event (execpt for 4-man) (so you have to choose what you want your 10 people to compete in)

4. If i forgot to list any events.. then they probably don't need to be in at all :rolleyes:

1. How involved will nations have to be?

2. Is this modern tech / future?

1. We also propose, along the lines of Qazox, that we don't use the same line-up of events as the RL olympics.

2. Only a selected committee (the higher council, perhaps?) would consider them for a number of factors.

For example:

1) Their appeal for RPing. If they're alerady popular with a large enough number of nations, it might be worth considering including them.
2) The ease of scorination. If there's already a scorinator for a sport, it might be a good idea to include it.

3. Where lots of different classes of a single sport exist, the consideration of condensing these.

4. It would also be worthwile to include some sports which are not included in the RL olympics, such as American Football, due to their popularity amongst nations on NS. Not that it's popular in Druida, mind. (Or Schiavonia, for that matter.)

I hope this collection of opinions and suggestions can help the make various decisions regarding these Olympics. Also, my opinions and suggestions

I definately think that the Olympics is too massive for one nation to scorinate all the games. But I also see the value in having a single host city (It's not really the Olympics if it isn't all happining in one place and one time. With multiple hosts it would feel more like a collection of unrelated sporting events.) This is my suggestion on the matter. Have one host nation and multiple scorinators. I understand that the ooc scorinator is generally the ic host nation in NS sports but it doesn't have to be that way for the Olympics. This solves the ooc problem of one person having to scorinate too many events if we decide to only have one host nation and the ic problem of having an Olympics held in multiple locations if we decide to have multiple host nations. IC we could refer to these scorinators as the officials/refferees.

Secondly, I think that we should include football/soccer as well as ice hockey, American football, F1 racing, golf, baseball/softball, and any other sports with regular tournaments/seasons on the NationStates forum. I think that the hosts of the tournaments/seasons in each of these sports should be the scorinator for the Olympics. For example, I, as the host of the NS World Cup of Baseball, would scorinate the baseball and softball event but the games would still be held in the host's baseball facilities. The host of the next NS World Cup would scorinate the football/soccer event, but the games would be held in the host's football/soccer facilities. During the Olympics the normal schedule of these events will be halted so that the scorinator will not have to scorinate both the Olympic event and the regular tournament/season at the same time. In fact, the Olympic event in football/soccer could be considered the 28th NS World Cup (or whatever number you guys are at.) and the next one after that could be considered the 29th. The Olympic event could simply be a special case of the NS World Cup or the NS World Cup of Baseball or whatever other tournament/season is regularly scheduled on the NationStates forum.


That's about it for my ideas (I'm not Casari for heaven's sake. ;) ) I hope that that will contribute to the success of these Olympic Games.

With regards to events, this is my proposal: Split into Compulsory and Optional sports.

SUMMER GAMES

COMPULSORY SPORTS:
All Athletics events
All Swimming events
Basketball
Boxing (4 weight classes)
Track Cycling (Sprint/pursuit/points race)
Road Cycling
Equestrianism
Gymnastics
Hockey (Field)
Judo (3 weight classes)
Rowing
Sailing (Mistral, 470, 49er)
Shooting (10m Air Pistol, 25m Pistol, 50m Rifle, Double Trap, Skeet)
Tennis
Weightlifting (4 classes)

OPTIONAL SPORTS:
Diving
Archery
Badminton
Canoe/Kayak
Track Cycling (Keirin/Madison)
Mountain Biking
Fencing
Football (Soccer)
Handball
Taekwondo (3 weight classes)
Modern Pentathlon
Sailing (other)
Shooting (other)
Table Tennis
Triathlon
Volleyball
Wrestling (4 classes per style)

WINTER GAMES

COMPULSORY SPORTS:
Biathlon (1 mass, 1 pursuit, 1 relay per gender)
Bobsleigh (4-man)
Curling
Ice Hockey
Luge (singles)
Figure Skating
Ice Dance
Short Track
Speed Skating (500m, 1500m, 5000m)
Alpine Skiing (except Super-G)
X-Country Skiing (as Biathlon)
Ski Jumping
Snowboard (Halfpipe)

OPTIONAL SPORTS:
Biathlon (additional events)
Bobsleigh (2-man)
Skeleton Sled
Luge (pairs)
Speed Skating (other)
Super-G
X-Country Skiing (as Biathlon)
Freestyle Skiing
Snowboard (Other)

With regards to events, this is my proposal: Split into Compulsory and Optional sports.

SUMMER GAMES

COMPULSORY SPORTS:
All Athletics events
All Swimming events
Basketball
Boxing (4 weight classes)
Track Cycling (Sprint/pursuit/points race)
Road Cycling
Equestrianism
Gymnastics
Hockey (Field)
Judo (3 weight classes)
Rowing
Sailing (Mistral, 470, 49er)
Shooting (10m Air Pistol, 25m Pistol, 50m Rifle, Double Trap, Skeet)
Tennis
Weightlifting (4 classes)

OPTIONAL SPORTS:
Diving
Archery
Badminton
Canoe/Kayak
Track Cycling (Keirin/Madison)
Mountain Biking
Fencing
Football (Soccer)
Handball
Taekwondo (3 weight classes)
Modern Pentathlon
Sailing (other)
Shooting (other)
Table Tennis
Triathlon
Volleyball
Wrestling (4 classes per style)

WINTER GAMES

COMPULSORY SPORTS:
Biathlon (1 mass, 1 pursuit, 1 relay per gender)
Bobsleigh (4-man)
Curling
Ice Hockey
Luge (singles)
Figure Skating
Ice Dance
Short Track
Speed Skating (500m, 1500m, 5000m)
Alpine Skiing (except Super-G)
X-Country Skiing (as Biathlon)
Ski Jumping
Snowboard (Halfpipe)

OPTIONAL SPORTS:
Biathlon (additional events)
Bobsleigh (2-man)
Skeleton Sled
Luge (pairs)
Speed Skating (other)
Super-G
X-Country Skiing (as Biathlon)
Freestyle Skiing
Snowboard (Other)
I think that there is definately support for a much more ambitious Olympic schedule (especially if you decide to have more than one scorinator per Olympics.) But, if you're going to limit it to a smaller list of sports such as this, you should include one or two open slots with which the host nation may schedule whatever sport(s) she/he chooses. That way, posters who really want to see American Football or Golf in the NS Olympics will have that opportunity at least once or twice when the right host comes around.

I think nations should be able to pick and choose what sports they wish to compete in ... as smaller nations just don't have atheletes who are ready to compete in all sports.

As for single host nations, I would think smaller nations that are in a region could co-host the games (i.e. combine for a bid). But I do recognize the symbolic value in having everything happen in what is essentially one place. :)

I think that there is definately support for a much more ambitious Olympic schedule (especially if you decide to have more than one scorinator per Olympics.) But, if your going to limit it to a smaller list of sports such as this, you should include one or two open slots with which the host nation may schedule whatever sport(s) she/he chooses. That way, posters who really want to see American Football or Golf in the NS Olympics will have that opportunity at least once or twice when the right host comes around.
The point of this list is to split the existing sports into those which must be included and those which can but are not mandatory. Additional sports can be added by the hosts; this would not be an exhaustive list. (I myself would love to see Rugby Sevens in the NS (and RL) Olympics.)

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I definately think that the Olympics is too massive for one nation to scorinate all the games. But I also see the value in having a single host city (It's not really the Olympics if it isn't all happining in one place and one time. With multiple hosts it would feel more like a collection of unrelated sporting events.) This is my suggestion on the matter. Have one host nation and multiple scorinators. I understand that the ooc scorinator is generally the ic host nation in NS sports but it doesn't have to be that way for the Olympics. This solves the ooc problem of one person having to scorinate too many events if we decide to only have one host nation and the ic problem of having an Olympics held in multiple locations if we decide to have multiple host nations. IC we could refer to these scorinators as the officials/refferees.

Secondly, I think that we should include football/soccer as well as ice hockey, American football, F1 racing, golf, baseball/softball, and any other sports with regular tournaments/seasons on the NationStates forum. I think that the hosts of the tournaments/seasons in each of these sports should be the scorinator for the Olympics. For example, I, as the host of the NS World Cup of Baseball, would scorinate the baseball and softball event but the games would still be held in the host's baseball facilities. The host of the next NS World Cup would scorinate the football/soccer event, but the games would be held in the host's football/soccer facilities. During the Olympics the normal schedule of these events will be halted so that the scorinator will not have to scorinate both the Olympic event and the regular tournament/season at the same time. In fact, the Olympic event in football/soccer could be considered the 28th NS World Cup (or whatever number you guys are at.) and the next one after that could be considered the 29th. The Olympic event could simply be a special case of the NS World Cup or the NS World Cup of Baseball or whatever other tournament/season is regularly scheduled on the NationStates forum.

An archy has a point here: have multiple nations as referees, allowing multiple teams to get a feel of hosting, and feel like they are a part of the action (and they will be). The host could pick a few sports to "officiate" themselves. Any disputes could be roleplayed as anger toward officiating crews from other nations, and not all direct attacks on the host (remember the French judge at the ice skating competition at 2002 Salt Lake City...? Canada was blaming the French for poor officiating... absolutely dumb scorination could be blamed on "officials" from the country who scorinated it.

Great idea An archy, and thanks for combining all the opinions into one concise post...!

The point of this list is to split the existing sports into those which must be included and those which can but are not mandatory. Additional sports can be added by the hosts; this would not be an exhaustive list. (I myself would love to see Rugby Sevens in the NS (and RL) Olympics.)
That's good. I guess I just misinterpreted the meaning of your list. I'm glad, because I would have hated to see baseball excluded from possible NS Olympic sports.

An archy has a point here: have multiple nations as referees, allowing multiple teams to get a feel of hosting, and feel like they are a part of the action (and they will be). The host could pick a few sports to "officiate" themselves. Any disputes could be roleplayed as anger toward officiating crews from other nations, and not all direct attacks on the host (remember the French judge at the ice skating competition at 2002 Salt Lake City...? Canada was blaming the French for poor officiating... absolutely dumb scorination could be blamed on "officials" from the country who scorinated it.

Great idea An archy, and thanks for combining all the opinions into one concise post...!
It's good to see some support for my ideas. I think we can an NS Olympic Games with a truly massive scope (like the Olympic Games in RL) if we allow multiple scorinators.

I wouldn't call refer to that post as "concise" though. :p

But, if your [sic :p] going to limit it to a smaller list of sports such as this,

I don't see any need to limit it. What we could do is have a list of compulsory events (as Krytenia has suggested), and the hosts may add whatever optional ones they please. If the hosts want to add events which aren't normally Olympic events, maybe they could simply clear it with the Olympic Council?

OOC: If you're going to include Arry based on founding the NSWC, then you may as well include KN for the Cherry Cup, TBF for the FHWC and myself for the U21WC.

The three people chosen were: Founder of this organisation; its (now) predecessor; founder of most successful sporting comp on NS. Besides, KN and TBF haven't actually joined.

There are a few names I have in my head for the remaining four spots; obviously i have to speak to Ari and Paci too.

With regards to events, this is my proposal: Split into Compulsory and Optional sports.

SUMMER GAMES

COMPULSORY SPORTS:
All Athletics events
All Swimming events
Basketball
Baseball
Boxing (4 weight classes)
Track Cycling (Sprint/pursuit/points race)
Road Cycling
Equestrianism
Gymnastics
Hockey (Field)
Judo (3 weight classes)
Rowing
Sailing (Mistral, 470, 49er)
Shooting (10m Air Pistol, 25m Pistol, 50m Rifle, Double Trap, Skeet)
Tennis
Weightlifting (4 classes)

OPTIONAL SPORTS:
Diving
Archery
Badminton
Canoe/Kayak
Track Cycling (Keirin/Madison)
Mountain Biking
Fencing
Football (Soccer)
Football (American)
Handball
Taekwondo (3 weight classes)
Modern Pentathlon
Sailing (other)
Auto Racing
Shooting (other)
Table Tennis
Triathlon
Volleyball
Wrestling (4 classes per style)

WINTER GAMES

COMPULSORY SPORTS:
Biathlon (1 mass, 1 pursuit, 1 relay per gender)
Bobsleigh (4-man)
Curling
Ice Hockey
Luge (singles)
Figure Skating
Ice Dance
Short Track
Speed Skating (500m, 1500m, 5000m)
Alpine Skiing (except Super-G)
X-Country Skiing (as Biathlon)
Ski Jumping
Snowboard (Halfpipe)

OPTIONAL SPORTS:
Biathlon (additional events)
Bobsleigh (2-man)
Skeleton Sled
Ice Racing
Luge (pairs)
Speed Skating (other)
Super-G
X-Country Skiing (as Biathlon)
Freestyle Skiing
Snowboard (Other)

I added a couple of events I want to see

Woah, hold your horses on the non-olympic sports there, guys.

Perhaps something simple like use the RL sports, and each prospective host puts forward a non-RL-Olympic demonstration sport. Be it Shoe Flinging, American Football, Stop the Pigeon, whatever.

Woah, hold your horses on the non-olympic sports there, guys.

Perhaps something simple like use the RL sports, and each prospective host puts forward a non-RL-Olympic demonstration sport. Be it Shoe Flinging, American Football, Stop the Pigeon, whatever.

Preferably Shoe Flinging. The Kryties are good at that.

It must be nice to have some support for your ideas. :p

I like Kry's idea of compulsory and optional sports. It adds some options, allowing those who don't want to do as full of a schedule to not to while others can go for the full experience. While I think some events could be switched, For instance, Field Hockey and Triathlon, but it's a more than acceptable solution.

After all, I'll probably have everything on it anyway.

If we're adding events, I think we should add Rugby ...



Haraki would of course like to participate in the Olympics, although we're not willing to host just yet. Too much work for the very first olympiad.

Capitalizt SLANI would like to become an NSOC member. It is currently in the process of selecting a city to apply for hosting the Games, which will most likely be either Aeropag/Éropeg or 소코지토 도시 (Sokojito Dosi), but no bid has been officially announced, and it is uncertain whether this will be a summer or winter bid.

Rolatia will be looking to enter the Olympics. We could use yet another chance at mainstream sporting success.

With regards to events, this is my proposal: Split into Compulsory and Optional sports.

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OOC:
I think this is an excellent suggestion by Krytenia. I also think that there's some merit in having a more modest first NS Olympic event (unless Casari hosts, in which case fire away, oh commendably ambitious one) just to make sure it works. It would be unfortunate if we started with a massively ambitious program only to see the hosts unable to complete or manage the event (exception once again made for Casari, who seems to have a grip on the mechanics).

Also note that in real life the first few modern Olympics had much smaller programmes than the bloated gargantua we're saddled with these days, so there is precedent in starting out smaller and then growing.

I'm also with Krytenia in respectfully disagreeing with those who want to add non-standard Olympic sports (autoracing, American football [God - why not korfball too while we're at it?], rugby sevens [alas], cricket, golf, endurance fasting, etc...) to the event. I think we should limit things to 'official' Olympic events. Unless - as Casari has suggested with cricket and golf - non-standard sports are done as exhibition events at the discretion of the hosts.

Preferably Shoe Flinging. The Kryties are good at that.

I don't know, there might be some other nations that could put on a good show in a fair competition with the Kryties ... there are some college campuses in Mikitivity where the coeds are most practiced in flinging Freshman shoes over the S-bahn wires. ;)

I support the use of Demonstration events for non-olympic standard events as well, but that they be subject to approval. If they prove to be possible, we can then go over adding them to the NS Olympics.

Another thing just occoured to me, through how slani difficult it would be more than anything else, but how would it ever be possible to establish some form of RP-Bonus-System without having someone just doing that only.

The point of this list is to split the existing sports into those which must be included and those which can but are not mandatory. Additional sports can be added by the hosts; this would not be an exhaustive list. (I myself would love to see Rugby Sevens in the NS (and RL) Olympics.)

I misunderstood those lists too! I thought mandatory applied to nations wishing to send atheletes.

I would hope that if nations created their own sports and had either RPed them (describing the sport) or created web based rules, that if other nations also could demostrate that they play the same sports, that we could add them in on a future date, but I'm with those that want to start small. Let's see how this works out first.

Another thing just occoured to me, through how slani difficult it would be more than anything else, but how would it ever be possible to establish some form of RP-Bonus-System without having someone just doing that only.

Actualy it would be cool, if there was a way for nations entering the olympics to have advantages in some sports and disadvantages in others. For example, my country is fairly mountainous, so marathon runners are not really likely to ever come from Mikitivity ... while canoeing and snowboarding are popular sports.

While the use of a far-reaching RP bonus system is a little difficult, perhaps the use of something like each nation being able to name a "National Sport" in which they have a bonus, or having a number of "World-Class Athletes" who would have a bonus in the event they're entered in.

While the use of a far-reaching RP bonus system is a little difficult, perhaps the use of something like each nation being able to name a "National Sport" in which they have a bonus, or having a number of "World-Class Athletes" who would have a bonus in the event they're entered in.

I'd also suggest that there be a penalty (which nations may choose to impose on themselves) for "less experienced" athletes, and that the bonuses and penalties generally off-set one another.

For example, if my government sent three athletes, we could have:

Jessica Levasseur -- Event A-F (World Class) +1
Janko Weiler -- Event B-M (Less Experienced) -1
Rutger Bainer -- Event C-M (Normal) 0

And teams events might be a composite bonus based on the participants. What would also be cool is after the first round of summer / winter games, that athletes whom medaled before automatically get free bonuses next time. And athletes whom are currently used in NationStates games prior to the start of these games (and players should provide a link to where this is the case) should get a free bonus too.

I know it makes the accounting terribly difficult, but if there is a general scoring system, and a number of officials / scoring judges, then doing an event or two might be manageble.

I've made (what I think) a somewhat decent scorinator for timed events, though it probably pales in comparison to Casari's. I don't have a host to post it, but any interested parties can contact me, and I can show you the program.

In a nutshell, the Excel spreadsheet uses World or Olympic Records as a guideline, then gives a time from -1.998 to 10.998 seconds with respect to the Olympic/World Record. You have roughly a 10% chance of setting a new World or Olympic record with this system. An RP bonus may or may not be incorporated.

Any interested parties should telegram me.

The NationStates Olympic Council should definately consider the idea of having multiple scorinators and a single host. I really want to press this suggestion because it has the potential to significantly increase the possible scope of the NS Olympic Games. So, everyone should read post #84 in this thread (the part at the end after all the quote boxes where I state my opinions and suggestions.)

The NationStates Olympic Council should definately consider the idea of having multiple scorinators and a single host. I really want to press this suggestion because it has the potential to significantly increase the possible scope of the NS Olympic Games. So, everyone should read post #84 in this thread (the part at the end after all the quote boxes where I state my opinions and suggestions.)

This is a good idea; however some host may want to "go it alone". I suggest this remains bidders choice.

If Orean is selected for the summer games I'd be more than willing to work with others in a jointbid. Stadt Nicht's Winter Games bid will be handled by just myself, I've done it before with the Winter AOlympics.

Might I just mention that we maybe should take into account the fact that the more people we have scorinating and involved with results, the more work it will take to coordinate, as well as the increased likeliness that someone could have RL issues and let the olympics fall behind.

This is a good idea; however some host may want to "go it alone". I suggest this remains bidders choice.
That's a great addition to my idea. I imagine that certain potential hosts *caugh*Casari*caugh* would very much enjoy the chance to scorinate all the events themselves. I second the opinion that the host should determine whether she/he needs additional scorinators. I suggest that the host should nominate these additional scorinators and then the upper council should vote to approve/disaprove each nominee.

:p No need to caugh.

Aye, I think it's a good idea as well. The host nations/cities could nominate associate cities for certain events if they deem it necessary. There is even a RL precident, in fact- The Equestrian events for the Beijing olympics are going to be held at venues in Hong Kong, I believe.

Might I just mention that we maybe should take into account the fact that the more people we have scorinating and involved with results, the more work it will take to coordinate, as well as the increased likeliness that someone could have RL issues and let the olympics fall behind.
This is so true. I think that keeping this in mind will help us to get an idea of how many scorinators we need. Obviously, a few extra ones would help alot, but, as you have pointed out having a differant scorinator for every event could cause problems. I think the ideal number of scorinators for a Summer Games would typically be between 2 to 6 scorinators total (including the host nation.)

Sign me up.

Nation of Quebec will indeed be participating. We also would like to bid to have the Games held in our capital city of Leetreal.

:p No need to caugh.

Aye, I think it's a good idea as well. The host nations/cities could nominate associate cities for certain events if they deem it necessary. There is even a RL precident, in fact- The Equestrian events for the Beijing olympics are going to be held at venues in Hong Kong, I believe.

1956, Melbourne. Equestrian events in Stockholm. So the precedent is there.

I do like this brainstorming. Makes life easier.

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Bedistan

I'm not sure about the reasons behind the Chinese moving, but the Stockholm thing was because the horses couldn't go to Melbourne because of quarantines.

Is there any timetable on deciding on a host(s + associates) for an attempt? It might be a good idea to establish one at some point.

:p No need to caugh.

Aye, I think it's a good idea as well. The host nations/cities could nominate associate cities for certain events if they deem it necessary. There is even a RL precident, in fact- The Equestrian events for the Beijing olympics are going to be held at venues in Hong Kong, I believe.
1956, Melbourne. Equestrian events in Stockholm. So the precedent is there.

I do like this brainstorming. Makes life easier.

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Bedistan
I should mention that what I am suggesting isn't really the same as the "associate cities" in RL. My suggestion was to have multiple scorinators with one IC host location. IC the additional scorinators could be refered to as the officials/umpires/referies rather than the hosts.

A bid from the Kazoo Peoples along with another host nation is beginning to formulate... stay tuned.

1956, Melbourne. Equestrian events in Stockholm. So the precedent is there.

Though as Casari has I think pointed out, that was because of the quarantine issues. I even have to declare marmite and weetabix when arriving home in Melbourne. Bastards.
(though a handy trick for those of you ever flying in to Melbourne... it's sometimes faster to get through customs if you find an excuse to declare something [even if it's just 'I was on a farm in the last 30 days'] and go through the red line than to have nothing to declare and go through the green line. That's because they sometimes x-ray every bag going through green just to see if you're telling the truth, whereas if you've been honest and declared something, they often let you go through with far less fuss and much less of a queue)

But other precedents are the holding of sailing events at Savannah during the Atlanta Olympics, and the now-standard practice of farming the football competition out across the host nation (rather than just the host city).


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Oooooooooooh - Patriachal blessings at opening ceremonies, here we come ;)

While the Orthodox population of Casari might be a little excited by the proposal, I'm sure in a show of international peace and brotherhood a solemn, nondenominational blessing would be preferred. :p

I have a couple of things I wish to express.

1. After reading the post by An archy, I must agree that one host would be better unless as someone suggested, said cohosts were from the same region and in close proximity.

2. I will firmly stand against any bonuses given to entrants into the Olympic games. All competing nations should start out on equal footing. The only exceptions should be ranking improvements based on play during qualification and Olympic competition. Perhaps a small bonus extended to medalists in the 1 immediately preceding Olympic games could be extended as well.

The way I envisioned it, the bonus would not be to one nation over another, but something each nation would be able to allocate themselves, similar to a style modifier in the WC. Hopefully, it would be an incentive to participate and roleplay more in certain events, and if two such world-class athletes were to compete directly, give one of those "Our best vs. Their best in front of the world" That TV seems to eat up.

I have a couple of things I wish to express.

1. After reading the post by An archy, I must agree that one host would be better unless as someone suggested, said cohosts were from the same region and in close proximity.

What we were going to do in the NSIOC is have the winning bidder designate two or three people to help them scorinate and allow the games to be more facilitative and finishable. :)

OK. Now I understand what you meant by bonus. The way you put it, I can use my bonus for, as an example, Sumo Wrestiling. This would give me an advantage in this one event that would allow a greater RP opportunity. Did I understand that right?

I can see the point in that, Pacitalia. with the sheer scope of the events, it would probably take more than 2 or 3 to pull this off in a timely manner.

While the use of a far-reaching RP bonus system is a little difficult, perhaps the use of something like each nation being able to name a "National Sport" in which they have a bonus, or having a number of "World-Class Athletes" who would have a bonus in the event they're entered in.

I like this idea, since it seems each country has one sport they do esspecially well in (Summer: Kenya and the Marathon, The ex-Soviet states and Weightlifting, Japan/China etc. in Taekwondoe. Winter: Scandinavian countries in Nordic Skiing, USA in Snowboarding, etc.) (And I say this generally. But it would be possible to abuse this, when someone's puppet country with about 1 million at very best sends Superman himself to win in the track events.

In order to prevent abuse, people would have to make sure "national sports" fit with the nations location, region, population, economy, so on and so forth.

When it comes to a bonus for the Olympics, I'd actually prefer to leave it to luck the first go 'round, then the next year, if a specific country dominates a sport, or even just wins the most gold medals in the sport, they would get a small (emphasis: small) bonus the next time. That's my two cents.

In order to prevent abuse, people would have to make sure "national sports" fit with the nations location, region, population, economy, so on and so forth.
A lot of this is the decision of the nation in question. AO is predominantly tropic-like islands and yet we do have Hockey Canada here. So I do not agree with putting those types of restrictions on someones RP

When it comes to a bonus for the Olympics, I'd actually prefer to leave it to luck the first go 'round, then the next year, if a specific country dominates a sport, or even just wins the most gold medals in the sport, they would get a small (emphasis: small) bonus the next time. That's my two cents.
I agree with this. As far as international competition goes, we can not know where our programs stack up. Only in the other established events do we get an idea. And since those are professional and this will be amature, it has little bearing here.

I shall consider joining...

With some sports, it does stand to reason that your successful top level teams would be supported by decent amateur programs.

But you know, either way is fine with me. If everyone's on a level playing field, that's much less work. :p

A lot of this is the decision of the nation in question. AO is predominantly tropic-like islands and yet we do have Hockey Canada here. So I do not agree with putting those types of restrictions on someones RP

Well, if you can play hockey in Tampa Bay and Phoenix, you can play hockey anywhere.

Here's an idea. Obviously it would be difficult for NS Olympic events in certain sports to compete with well established tournaments (such as the NS World Cup.) This has led certain posters to suggest that we should not even include football/soccer in the NS Olympics. I suggest that we include all of the sports with established tournaments in the NationStates Forum. However, instead of having these events compete with the established tournaments we should make these events special cases of the established tournaments. For example, World Cup 27 would actually be an NS Olympic event in the 1st Summer Olympiad. This way tournaments in the other sports would not get in the way of potential Olympic events in those sports. On the contrary, those tournaments would actually provide a backdrop infrastructure for their counterpart Olympic event.

This could also help dictate which sports are scorinated by the host and which are scorinated by others. The sports with established tournaments could be scorinated by the host of that tournament as determined by the body which makes those decisions in the name of that sport. For example the NS Olympic event in football/soccer would be scorinated by the host of the 27th NS World Cup.
(Note that whoever was determined to "host" the 27th NS World Cup would no longer be the actual host in the physical sense but would rather serve merely as the scorinator. IC this country would provide the referees/officials. I suppose that some potential hosts would not want to scorinate an event that they could not host, but others would enjoy the opportunity to scorinate the special Olympic version of the NS World Cup.)
The sports that do not have regular tournaments on the NationStates Forum would be scorinated by host of the Olympics. This would allow the host of each Olympics to concentrate on the sports that will make the NS Olympics unique while at the same time allowing all of the major sports on the NationStates Forum to be represented in the Olympics.

Here's an idea. Obviously it would be difficult for NS Olympic events in certain sports to compete with well established tournaments (such as the NS World Cup.) This has led certain posters to suggest that we should not even include football/soccer in the NS Olympics. I suggest that we include all of the sports with established tournaments in the NationStates Forum. However, instead of having these events compete with the established tournaments we should make these events special cases of the established tournaments. For example, World Cup 27 would actually be an NS Olympic event in the 1st Summer Olympiad. This way tournaments in the other sports would not get in the way of potential Olympic events in those sports. On the contrary, those tournaments would actually provide a backdrop infrastructure for their counterpart Olympic event.

This could also help dictate which sports are scorinated by the host and which are scorinated by others. The sports with established tournaments could be scorinated by the host of that tournament as determined by the body which makes those decisions in the name of that sport. For example the NS Olympic event in football/soccer would be scorinated by the host of the 27th NS World Cup.
(Note that whoever was determined to "host" the 27th NS World Cup would no longer be the actual host in the physical sense but would rather serve merely as the scorinator. IC this country would provide the referees/officials. I suppose that some potential hosts would not want to scorinate an event that they could not host, but others would enjoy the opportunity to scorinate the special Olympic version of the NS World Cup.)
The sports that do not have regular tournaments on the NationStates Forum would be scorinated by host of the Olympics. This would allow the host of each Olympics to concentrate on the sports that will make the NS Olympics unique while at the same time allowing all of the major sports on the NationStates Forum to be represented in the Olympics.

This sounds familiar -- you made this known earlier if I am not mistaken. However, the Olympics will not be ready by qualification for WC27 begins. It would steal the hosts' thunder first off. Now an integration of WC28 may be possible, but if we integrate WC28 into the Olympics, and begin to integrate other sports... the question will remain: can you coordinate the World Cup, the NS Bowl, and others? The Answer? NO! These will most likely be a separate competition, unless the Olympics don't start until WC30-something, and everything magically coordinates itself.

Here's an idea. Obviously it would be difficult for NS Olympic events in certain sports to compete with well established tournaments (such as the NS World Cup.) This has led certain posters to suggest that we should not even include football/soccer in the NS Olympics. I suggest that we include all of the sports with established tournaments in the NationStates Forum. However, instead of having these events compete with the established tournaments we should make these events special cases of the established tournaments. For example, World Cup 27 would actually be an NS Olympic event in the 1st Summer Olympiad. This way tournaments in the other sports would not get in the way of potential Olympic events in those sports. On the contrary, those tournaments would actually provide a backdrop infrastructure for their counterpart Olympic event.

This could also help dictate which sports are scorinated by the host and which are scorinated by others. The sports with established tournaments could be scorinated by the host of that tournament as determined by the body which makes those decisions in the name of that sport. For example the NS Olympic event in football/soccer would be scorinated by the host of the 27th NS World Cup.
(Note that whoever was determined to "host" the 27th NS World Cup would no longer be the actual host in the physical sense but would rather serve merely as the scorinator. IC this country would provide the referees/officials. I suppose that some potential hosts would not want to scorinate an event that they could not host, but others would enjoy the opportunity to scorinate the special Olympic version of the NS World Cup.)
The sports that do not have regular tournaments on the NationStates Forum would be scorinated by host of the Olympics. This would allow the host of each Olympics to concentrate on the sports that will make the NS Olympics unique while at the same time allowing all of the major sports on the NationStates Forum to be represented in the Olympics.
The only problem I have with the first part of this is that nations will compete in an Olympic games that would not enter a WC or other standard event. By using those as part of the Olympics you force nations to enter them that would not normally and/or force WC participants to be involved in the Oympics. I do not neccessarily agree with either. Plus the fact that an Olympic only nation would have no chance if the WC were to be used. I do see your point, but must disagree.

The way I envisioned it, the bonus would not be to one nation over another, but something each nation would be able to allocate themselves, similar to a style modifier in the WC. Hopefully, it would be an incentive to participate and roleplay more in certain events, and if two such world-class athletes were to compete directly, give one of those "Our best vs. Their best in front of the world" That TV seems to eat up.

Exactly that I had in mind too. The bonuses might reflect the fact that in some nations certain sports (women's softball = USA) really are very popular, thus those nations have a bit of an edge entering the games. If we limit it to one winter and one summer national sport *and* include a bonus for prior wins (simulating a new national interest in other sports too), I think it is reasonably fair.

{ooc} i do like the idea of having some of the games being scorinated by other countries as judges, officals, or referees.

{ic} Qazox Would like to propose to the Council that before any Olympiads that a vote be taken as to what events will be included in the upcoming games. the event(s) must pass with a 2/3 majority vote in the lower council and a 4/3 vote in the upper council. that way we have the events we what to have and no one can complain about it. also a 2/3 vote by all NSOC Members for demonstration events with a max of 3 Demonstration events per Olympiad (that way any close votes on events may still get in)

I just don't think we'd ever get that many different people scorinating that many different events to jive, to be honest. Besides, the other tournements take much longer. The Olympic team sports competitions would be much shorter, and a little dirtier scorination than would be expected from a specialty tournement.

This sounds familiar -- you made this known earlier if I am not mistaken. However, the Olympics will not be ready by qualification for WC27 begins. It would steal the hosts' thunder first off. Now an integration of WC28 may be possible, but if we integrate WC28 into the Olympics, and begin to integrate other sports... the question will remain: can you coordinate the World Cup, the NS Bowl, and others? The Answer? NO! These will most likely be a separate competition, unless the Olympics don't start until WC30-something, and everything magically coordinates itself.
You're right. I did make that suggestion earlier. It's late, sorry. Anyway, I still think it's a good idea. I might not think so in the morning though ;) . I totally agree with your first objection. (That it would "steal the hosts' thunder.) It wouldn't matter to me as much, but I guess that's probably because I host every tournament in my sport. As to your second objection, that it would be impossible to coordinate, I simply disagree. Not that it wouldn't be difficult but it would definately be doable in terms of getting all the tournaments to allign. Also, note that I only used NS World Cup 27 as an example because it is the next cup.
The only problem I have with the first part of this is that nations will compete in an Olympic games that would not enter a WC or other standard event. By using those as part of the Olympics you force nations to enter them that would not normally and/or force WC participants to be involved in the Oympics. I do not neccessarily agree with either. Plus the fact that an Olympic only nation would have no chance if the WC were to be used. I do see your point, but must disagree.
That's a point that I didn't consider. The fact that countries that don't participate in the regular tournaments won't do as well in the Olympics is only natural. You wouldn't expect a country that only participates in a sport during the Olympics to do as well as a country that participates in every tournament in that sport. In fact, other posters such as Casari have even suggested the exact same idea.
With some sports, it does stand to reason that your successful top level teams would be supported by decent amateur programs.
The other objection, that it would force participants in the other tournaments to participate in the Olympics could be solved by stating upfront (during the signups for each new tournament including the Olympic version) that every so often the tournament would be part of the Olympics. That way everyone knows beforehand exactly what is involved.
I guess I'll scale down my suggestion to say that I would like to make Third NS World Cup of Baseball a part of the 1st Summer Olympiad while every fourth NS World Cup of Baseball after that part of each successive Summer Olympiad. Of course, I don't have power over the NSOC, so if Krytenia and the others object to this idea then I guess that suggestion is dead. But if they agree to the idea, then I could essentially guarantee that every Summer Olympiad will have baseball, and that the hosts will not have to worry about scorinating the baseball games. Of course every additional sport is a good thing (especially a sport that is already moderately popular on the NationStates Forum,) so I hope that Krytenia and the others will accept this suggestion.

After much consideration, I've redone the schedule for the Tyrellian bid again, in what I think is the best so far. A weight class, Superheavyweight, was added in both Weightlifting and Boxing, and the Star and Yngling class yachts are back. Rugby Sevens is now an invitational sport, and no day has more than 60 events. The Olympics are simply a little... longer in this version. :p

The Tyrellian Olympic Bid Schedule in Excel for those who can read it (http://www.dirt-racing.com/3wide/sites/nsoc/Tyrelliasgs3.xls)
The Tyrellian Olympic Bid Schedule in CSV for CH because I'm just that nice of a guy (http://www.dirt-racing.com/3wide/sites/nsoc/Tyrelliasgs3alt.csv)

i still think that only sports voted on should get in, but casari does have most of it figured out. i throw what little support i have to Casari for 1st Summer Host. and to the 1st winter host whomever has Snowball War as a sport or demo will get my vote. and if you don't know what a Snowball War is: its like DodgeBall, but with Snowballs. also Dodgeball needs to be in somewhere a sport. (The 5 'D's of Dodge Ball Are: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge!)

I'd also suggest that there be a penalty (which nations may choose to impose on themselves) for "less experienced" athletes, and that the bonuses and penalties generally off-set one another.

For example, if my government sent three athletes, we could have:

Jessica Levasseur -- Event A-F (World Class) +1
Janko Weiler -- Event B-M (Less Experienced) -1
Rutger Bainer -- Event C-M (Normal) 0

And teams events might be a composite bonus based on the participants. What would also be cool is after the first round of summer / winter games, that athletes who medaled before automatically get free bonuses next time.

I agree. That way there wouldn't truly be an "equal footing", but differences would be decided by the players themselves. Still, it'll add complexity to scorinating, so whether or not to use this option should be up to the hosts every time.


The NationStates Olympic Council should definately consider the idea of having multiple scorinators and a single host. I really want to press this suggestion because it has the potential to significantly increase the possible scope of the NS Olympic Games. So, everyone should read post #84 in this thread (the part at the end after all the quote boxes where I state my opinions and suggestions.)

*nods* This could make it more workable, yes. (Unless, as has already been said, a host feels confident enough to do the whole thing alone).

I would hope - though dont expect - that RP bonuses and some kind of national... specialities could be involved. Such as in the Kaza Olympics Starblaydia won a fair number of gold medals in the rowing - 3 in the 3 IC days of competition if my text file commentaries are correct - so would like to eb able to have that repeated, hehe.

Plus I still think we should try and stick to the RL set of sports as close as possible. Trim weight divisions and distances and classes for things like boxing and rowing and... other such things, by all means, but let's not add sports willy-nilly just because one or two people like them, please.

Plus I still think we should try and stick to the RL set of sports as close as possible. Trim weight divisions and distances and classes for things like boxing and rowing and... other such things, by all means, but let's not add sports willy-nilly just because one or two people like them, please.

I tend to agree with this. Not in the least because, in my opinion, this thing needs to get started asap.
Don't get me wrong, this thread has been pretty good when it comes to things like respect and constructive criticism and what not, but too much planning and analyzing isn't always a good thing, and any day now this could evolve into the bickering stage.
I'm not saying we should start this tomorrow, but moving things along swiftly is more important than deciding a bunch of details about scorination and which sports should or should not be included. So pick the remaining upper council dudes already - let's face it, it's not that important :p - and start the voting, so whoever gets picked can get this thing rolling in a week or so, and we can, hopefully, shoot the flaming arrow in two or three weeks tops.

Yes, this is going to be a hell of a project for whoever will organize it, so I can see the tendency to take things slow and prepare every detail. But this isn't the first attempt at NS Olympics, and the previous attempt, while commendable, suffered from over-officialness and got stuck in an infinite voting loop - by the time a host was decided, nobody really cared anymore.
NS Olympics can't be done, some people say. Too much hassle, too much work - it's been tried several times, none got even close to finishing. I think it can be done, and it would be damn cool. But what we need to get a regular NS Olympics off the ground is, first and foremost, someone who will just do it. Once it's been done once, there's no turning back. No more excuses from then on.
And what it takes to get the first one done is motivation and fun, not a bunch of rules and regulations decided upon after months of debate by councils and committees. There'll be plenty of time to evaluate and adapt later. So let's pick a host already, one in who we're reasonably confident that he can pull it off, and wants to pull it off. Give him carte blanche, for all I care. But let him get started now, not in three months, when the juice is gone.

*steps down from the speaker platform*

Aborlau would love to join, with a billion and a half residents, it shall produce a worthy team.

I tend to agree with this. Not in the least because, in my opinion, this thing needs to get started asap.
Don't get me wrong, this thread has been pretty good when it comes to things like respect and constructive criticism and what not, but too much planning and analyzing isn't always a good thing, and any day now this could evolve into the bickering stage.
I'm not saying we should start this tomorrow, but moving things along swiftly is more important than deciding a bunch of details about scorination and which sports should or should not be included. So pick the remaining upper council dudes already - let's face it, it's not that important :p - and start the voting, so whoever gets picked can get this thing rolling in a week or so, and we can, hopefully, shoot the flaming arrow in two or three weeks tops.

Yes, this is going to be a hell of a project for whoever will organize it, so I can see the tendency to take things slow and prepare every detail. But this isn't the first attempt at NS Olympics, and the previous attempt, while commendable, suffered from over-officialness and got stuck in an infinite voting loop - by the time a host was decided, nobody really cared anymore.
NS Olympics can't be done, some people say. Too much hassle, too much work - it's been tried several times, none got even close to finishing. I think it can be done, and it would be damn cool. But what we need to get a regular NS Olympics off the ground is, first and foremost, someone who will just do it. Once it's been done once, there's no turning back. No more excuses from then on.
And what it takes to get the first one done is motivation and fun, not a bunch of rules and regulations decided upon after months of debate by councils and committees. There'll be plenty of time to evaluate and adapt later. So let's pick a host already, one in who we're reasonably confident that he can pull it off, and wants to pull it off. Give him carte blanche, for all I care. But let him get started now, not in three months, when the juice is gone.

*steps down from the speaker platform*
I agree wholeheartedly. If this does reduce itself to bickering it will become a dead point that goes nowhere.

I think it better to start off with our basic ideas as soon as we can get it orgaanized. We can argue about what works and what doesnt during the first set of games. This will also allow us to refine the events, scorination, and ideas from the standpoint of having seen things in action.

We have a lot of people with great ideas. Lets not lose them before we even get started.

I... I think Spruit's my hero... ;)

That is the single most thuroughly brilliant thing I have heard someone say in this thread so far. If we're going to do it, let's do it when we're all gullible enough to do it.

I just don't think we'd ever get that many different people scorinating that many different events to jive, to be honest. Besides, the other tournements take much longer. The Olympic team sports competitions would be much shorter, and a little dirtier scorination than would be expected from a specialty tournement.
The part about the olympics lasting for a shorter time period than most tournaments basically kills my idea. I disagree with you that it would be too difficult to get all the tournament hosts to agree on to delay/expidite the begining of their tournaments to a common date. (Obviously I'm in the extreme minority here.) Nevertheless, I totally agree that most hosts would not agree to the quicker paced schedule involved in the Olympics. Even I would have issues with scorinating games at that pace.
As to Spruitland's comments, he's completely right. I need to stop worrying about whether baseball will be in the first NS Summer Olympics or who might scorinate that event. If it happens the first time around, great. But if it doesn't, I'll always have the opportunity to get it done in the next Olympics or in the Olympics after that. My agenda is still essentially the same, though. I would like to see baseball/softball as a regular event in the NS Summer Olympics and I would like to scorinate the baseball and softball events as a special case of the NS World Cup of Baseball. Whether or not that happens in the first Summer Olympiad is much less important than whether the first Summer Olympiad happens at all.

May I just point out that the best post in this thread so far started off agreeing with me ;)

Be like Nike, and just do it.

the OUC is now complete with the addition of Starblaydia and Spruitland.

Winter Games bid cities now have until Sunday 19th February to get some substance to their bids (and preferably a separate thread); after that, the Gang of Seven will choose three cities to go to the vote.

Ahem.

Due to the fact I have no idea whatsoever as to how I create a scorinator for...well...any of the events (well, I figured out how to do figure skating one sorta (yay random number generator in excel)), Chicanada will pull it's submission of Southampton as hosts for the First Winter Olympiad.

We wish all the current submissions the best of luck!

Hockey Canada would like to submit a formal bid to host the Winter Olympics. Otnorot and Irkutsk are more than willing to put funds into our sports programs. Due to our cold climate and mountain region, we think we would be a fine host.

Bid details to come later.

*NS Olympic Theme plays -- make up your own*

"Hello, and we have some breaking news this evening.

"In a press conference earlier today, The Kazoo Peoples and The Islands of Qutar announced their intentions to put for a Summer Olympics bid.

*cut to press conference*

"We are working out the specific details -- what sports our bid will include, and the like. This will be announced in the near future."

*cut back to studio*

"That was newly appointed Ministry of Olympics commissioner Jack Rogue, with the announcement earlier today."

*NS Olympic Theme plays -- make up your own*
Three words: "Chariots Of Fire"

Three words: "Chariots Of Fire"

I'd like to nominate, at least for the first one, "Start me up" by the Rolling Stones. ;)

http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_945.pdf
I know if I were among the seven Upper Council members I'd be trying to figure out exactly what we should be looking for in the candidate cities. Hopefully this link will help to give us an idea of what to look for in candidate cities (aside from reliability in scorination.) Most of all, I think it will help candidates to create very reallistic IC proposals.

The city of Revena, will make a bid to host the winter olympic games.

The city of Revena, will make a bid to host the winter olympic games.

This coming from someone who's hardlya few days old and does not know what's in store, I personally think it'd be fair to ignore any "bid" from here.

http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_945.pdf
Arrrrgh...
So much Paperwork! So many forms, so many rules and regulations!


This coming from someone who's hardlya few days old and does not know what's in store, I personally think it'd be fair to ignore any "bid" from here.
Don't be so harsh, LE. If Ocmeub gets the Hosting, he/she will probably find out what was meant by a "Pisspot full of work".

The bid to host the 1st Summer Olympiad in Santa Monica, Kelse, has hereby been cancelled by the Kelsian National Olympic Committee (KNOC).

Arrrrgh...
So much Paperwork! So many forms, so many rules and regulations!
Duely noted. I'll look through that pdf document and take out the most important parts as far as making our RP Olympic bids as realistic as possible. That way everyone can focus on the aspects that will actually help to make the whole experience of the NS Olympics more realistic and fun.

Duely noted. I'll look through that pdf document and take out the most important parts as far as making our RP Olympic bids as realistic as possible. That way everyone can focus on the aspects that will actually help to make the whole experience of the NS Olympics more realistic and fun.
As far as I can tell, a lot of what is needed is at the end of the file, Part 3 of the file. That's the applicant instructions.

One thing that stands out to me in particular:

The Olympic Games are awarded to a single Host City

Hehheh, good thing we're ignoring parts. ;)

Personally, I think the IOC Questionare is more interesting- everything about venues, hotels, even the city's weather. Then again, that stuff is purely IC and shouldn't effect any of the bidding on the games. The choosing of a host should be just on abilities of host, scorination, scheduling, and faith that they can finish.

Here's the Corresponding Document (http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_711.pdf) to the one that An posted for the 2012 Summers. Also notably, it seems a *lot* shorter.

Capitalizt SLANI officially announces that Aeropag will apply to host the I Olympic Winter Games. So far, only the applicant city logo (http://www.thirdgeek.com/2006/nsolympics/aeropagw1-app.png) has been released, but the Aeropag Winter Olympics Organizing Committee promises that the bid will be outlined in the appropriate insane level of detail soon.

Ok, out of curiousity (and for possible bids from rival Chicanadan cities that sorta hate each other now), does anyone have some set idea for a scorinator? I know someone (Kazoo People?) said they tried it on Excel, so would that be used for ALL the sports (maybe using NSFootySim for football and hockey) or would we get more creative?

Very intrigued, since I can't make code to save my life.

One of the most notable ideas from the pdf document was a host city questionnaire. The idea of the host city questionnaire is to make each host city candidate answer questions that are vitally important considerations for hosting an Olympic Games. My idea for a Host City Questionnaire on NS is that we should include an IC part and an OOC part. The IC part would address such issues as the candidate city's IC motivation for the hosting the Olympics, and IC feasibility of hosting the games in that city. (Everyone should note that I am not suggesting that the host country's population or the size of its economy should be considered whatsoever. As with all other NS Sports, you can RP your nation with any reasonable population and economy that you like. The important thing about the IC questionnaire is realism. It is meant to encourage candidate cities to make quality IC applications for hosting the NS Olympic Games.) The OOC questionnaire is mainly meant to gauge the ability of the RL applicant to complete the Olympic Games in a successful and trustworthy manner. Overall the questionnaire should help the NSOC to objectively investigate each potential host city. Here is my first draft of the NS Olympic Host Candidate City Questionnaire:


Section 1. In Character
Part I: Provide a brief answer for the following questions.
1. What is the motivation of your city and your nation in hosting the NS Olympic Games?
b. What are your expectations of economic and/or cultural benifit to your city and nation from hosting the Olympic games?
c. How do your plans for the Olympic Games compliment the mission statement of the NSOC?

2. How does your city plan to finance the NS Olympic Games?
a. What is the proposed budget for creating the venues and infrastructure necessary for hosting the Games?
b. From what institution(s) (public or private) do you plan to secure the funds necessary for the hosting of the games?

Part II: Respond to these statements.
1. Describe the sporting venues that will be be available for competition at the beginning of the Olympic Games. For this statement, remember to provide the seating capacity of each venue as well as which events will be held in each venue.
2. Describe the accommodations that will be available in and around the city during the Games. For this statement, remember to include the number of hotels, the number of resturaunts and the number and types of other recreational facilities that will be available during the games.
3. Describe the accommodations available to athletes and media representatives in the Olympic Village.
a. How many rooms do you plan to provide for athletes?
b. media representatives?
4. Describe the security provisions that you plan to make during the Olympic Games.
5. Describe the typical weather and climate of the host city area during time of year during which the Olympic Games will be held.
a. How will the weather and climate conditions facilitate the hosting of the olympics?
b. If the weather and climate might be seen as a hinderance to the hosting of the games, what are your plans to overcome this hinderance?
6. Describe the infrastructure and transportation systems that will exist in the host city at the time of the opening ceremonies.

Part III: Provide schedule of the events that you plan to host in these Olympic Games.


Section 2. Out of Character
1. What is the level of your NS Sports experience?
a. In what tournaments have you participated?
b. What tournaments have you hosted/scorinated.
2. What are your plans for the scorination of the various Olympic events?
a. Which persons do you plan to use as supplimental scorinators and which events will each scorinate?
b. What are your planned methods of scorination? For this question it would be best to provide the actual spreadsheet(s) and/or source code(s) that you plan to use.
3. Please provide any additional OOC information that might be worthy of consideration for the NSOC when determining whether you will serve as a good host for the NS Olympics.

One thing that stands out to me in particular:



Hehheh, good thing we're ignoring parts. ;)

Personally, I think the IOC Questionare is more interesting- everything about venues, hotels, even the city's weather. Then again, that stuff is purely IC and shouldn't effect any of the bidding on the games. The choosing of a host should be just on abilities of host, scorination, scheduling, and faith that they can finish.

Here's the Corresponding Document (http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_711.pdf) to the one that An posted for the 2012 Summers. Also notably, it seems a *lot* shorter.
I hate you Casari!!!:mad: The IOC questionnaire was my idea, you just posted it between the time I started my post and when I finished it. Oh well, great minds think alike I guess.;)
Also, I totally agree with you that the host should be determined for the OOC reasons that you mentioned.

If I'm good for nothing else, it's getting in the way. =p I'm a little wary about requiring such an IC requirement for people who might not win. It's a substantial amount of work to prepare that much for a bid that might not win, and some people might not want to put forth the effort at that point in time.

The ones I intend to use with my bid are done in Excel, considering I can't program worth a slani, but I've made an attempt for each to work in the nature of the evaluation system of the sport. Which was rather interesting for Judo, let me say.

I know Bedi is working with one in Java, and CH is probably going to use a programming language too.

And if you need a good use for the Olympic Village after the games, Lake Placid's 1980 Village is a prison now.

Section 2. Out of Character
1. What is the level of your NS Sports experience?
a. In what tournaments have you participated?
b. What tournaments have you hosted/scorinated.
2. What are your plans for the scorination of the various Olympic events?
a. Which persons do you plan to use as supplimental scorinators and which events will each scorinate?
b. What are your planned methods of scorination? For this question it would be best to provide the actual spreadsheet(s) and/or source code(s) that you plan to use.
3. Please provide any additional OOC information that might be worthy of consideration for the NSOC when determining whether you will serve as a good host for the NS Olympics.


this is a good idea the ooc parts. hopefully it will be put up for a vote.

If I'm good for nothing else, it's getting in the way. =p I'm a little wary about requiring such an IC requirement for people who might not win. It's a substantial amount of work to prepare that much for a bid that might not win, and some people might not want to put forth the effort at that point in time.
I think your point just shows that the IC requirement will only help to weed out newbies who aren't familiar with the difficulty of scorination. Anyway, I'm not saying that every IC question should be required. I say some of them should be required (such as Part III) and others should be optional (such as Part II statement 5).

Aye, I can agree with that.

Sorry to break into all this conversation, but could people please use "<snip>" and cut out long quotes (Yes, Qazox, if you could go back and edit your post, please)? They're awfully irritating to look through again only to find a one-line agreement.

Ok, out of curiousity (and for possible bids from rival Chicanadan cities that sorta hate each other now), does anyone have some set idea for a scorinator? I know someone (Kazoo People?) said they tried it on Excel, so would that be used for ALL the sports (maybe using NSFootySim for football and hockey) or would we get more creative?

Very intrigued, since I can't make code to save my life.

I can't make code either, but my Excel program can scorinate timed events. The spreadsheet is based on the current olympic or world record time, so that times may be realisitic.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Pacitalia/timiocato2012_candcitNSOC.jpg

The First Summer Olympiad will be a sporting event the likes of which has never been seen on Earth. Fitting numerous sports and thousands of athletes into an event lasting 18 days is no small feat, but Timiocato is the perfect city to do so. Combining natural and man-made beauty, and the drive to succeed, Pacitalia's capital is an ideal place to play host to the first-ever Summer Olympic Games.

Timiocato is a world-class city offering numerous tourist attractions, top-tier accommodations and restaurant facilities, an outstanding transportation grid including a world hub international airport, and is ideally situated at the mouth of the Rio Timiocato, across from Amarenthe. Timiocato is the beating heart of Pacitalia, where its culture, politics and economy collide.

The Timiocato Summer Olympiad Official Candidacy Logo represents a defining feature of Pacitalian natural beauty - the sunset. Naturally beautiful in every way, Pacitalian sunsets combine vibrant hues and reflect brilliantly off calm ocean waters for some of the best natural scenes available in Atlantian Oceania. And one every night doesn't exactly sound bad, now, does it?

Pacitalia is ready to welcome the world. Timiocato is ready.

Edit: Logo updated at 12.19pm PST, February 15th 2006

Pacitalia, I have to say that is the best looking logo I have seen here yet.

As I said before, I have no desire to host and run an ebtir Olympics myself at this point. However I do offer any help with things that is needed by whomever does win the bid. As long as it is Java run scorinators, that is. I dont have excel.

Pacitalia, I have to say that is the best looking logo I have seen here yet.

As I said before, I have no desire to host and run an ebtir Olympics myself at this point. However I do offer any help with things that is needed by whomever does win the bid. As long as it is Java run scorinators, that is. I dont have excel.

Thanks :)

I'm just doing a few updates since I think it looks somewhat incomplete, but it'll be relatively unchanged.

Right, logo's been updated and it's basically the same except for a few colour enhancements.

So, are the NSOC people that are supposed to be keeping track of Winter Olympics applications on vacation or something? If they aren’t coming back anytime soon, I might have to switch to a summer bid so that I have a chance to be accepted as a candidate :p

IAnd if you need a good use for the Olympic Village after the games, Lake Placid's 1980 Village is a prison now.

Heh.

Another, perhaps less humorous, use is as university housing, as in Atlanta 1996 (Georgia State University uses the buildings now, which are just a couple miles from me).

And yes, I am indeed working on a scorinator in Java. Right now it is in fact a Winter Games scorinator, despite the fact that I'm bidding for the Summer Games. I will happily provide it to anyone who wants it when it's finished, and it has the advantage of being fairly easily extendable and highly versatile.

Heh.

Another, perhaps less humorous, use is as university housing, as in Atlanta 1996 (Georgia State University uses the buildings now, which are just a couple miles from me).

And yes, I am indeed working on a scorinator in Java. Right now it is in fact a Winter Games scorinator, despite the fact that I'm bidding for the Summer Games. I will happily provide it to anyone who wants it when it's finished, and it has the advantage of being fairly easily extendable and highly versatile.
A Winter Games scorinator? Excellent! I've been working on the Scoring of the four Biatholon events, the Nordic skiing, and the Luge, and I have begun to incorporate into the figure-skating scoring elements from both the old Olympic scoring system, and the new.
Soon I begin on the Snowboarding Score system, despite my limited knowledge in this field.

Heh.

Another, perhaps less humorous, use is as university housing, as in Atlanta 1996 (Georgia State University uses the buildings now, which are just a couple miles from me).

And yes, I am indeed working on a scorinator in Java. Right now it is in fact a Winter Games scorinator, despite the fact that I'm bidding for the Summer Games. I will happily provide it to anyone who wants it when it's finished, and it has the advantage of being fairly easily extendable and highly versatile.

Great, the scorinator I can use and I already puleld my bid. Eh, next time ;)

*makes note to make sure to get in touch with Bedistan*

Easily eatendable and highly versatile- as long as you know Java, that is. :p

Being unsatisfied with the previous logo, the Bloco'yce City Logo has been revised. It is now a bit more wintery, and reflcets the frigid atmosphere of Raging Penguins.
http://thewirecutters.com/WC/album_mod/upload/281dce889cf482d025099b74f59cca87.jpg

As scorinators go, I have got absolutely nothing in terms of summer sports that aren't done by time. But I'm sure Casari has a few already lined up that he'd probably let me use (ha! if me or me-The Islands of Qutar win the bid at all -- I think Casari has this one wrapped up, personally).

Of anything, I just have ones to finish for shooting events, I believe. They're a little user-intensive to use unless you know exactly what all the values are, but if there's support I could always work on some documentation and formatting to make them more user-friendly and could try to spread them around a little.

Ah, okay, but for me, I'm worried more about the team sports -- we could use established ones for soccer and baseball, but what about basketball? Volleyball?

Though I'm not entirely sure of how to use either Soccer scorinator.

And, yes, I say soccer because I'm in America.

I know An Archy's runs on a TI-series calculator, but I have an excel one for baseball, and a rather basic soccer one is made, with a more advanced one under development.

I know An Archy's runs on a TI-series calculator, but I have an excel one for baseball, and a rather basic soccer one is made, with a more advanced one under development.
Hey, what a coincidence! Mine also relies on a TI calculator. They've got wonderful(okay, not-so-wonderful, but they're easy to use and fast) random number generators, which can easily be programmed between the lowest reasonable score, and the highest reasonable score.

Hey, what a coincidence! Mine also relies on a TI calculator. They've got wonderful(okay, not-so-wonderful, but they're easy to use and fast) random number generators, which can easily be programmed between the lowest reasonable score, and the highest reasonable score.
Watch out, we're taking over NS Sports!!! ;) Actually, I don't really like my program very much anymore. It gets the job done, but it takes so long. I'd really like a Leagion-like program that would use my scorinating algorithm to simulate entire tournaments all at one time. That would be a little too much to ask from a TI calculator. In fact, if anyone would be willing to write such a program, I'd be ultragreatful.

Watch out, we're taking over NS Sports!!! ;) Actually, I don't really like my program very much anymore. It gets the job done, but it takes so long. I'd really like a Leagion-like program that would use my scorinating algorithm to simulate entire tournaments all at one time. That would be a little too much to ask from a TI calculator. In fact, if anyone would be willing to write such a program, I'd be ultragreatful.

Note that with Leagion you can:

-Change the attack and defense values, allowing for a higher or lower scoring head-to-head event

-Use the FHWC mode, which was designed for the Field Hockey World Cup, and has more attacks, and a higher scoring rate than the basic formula

-With a knowledge of java, or a plea to it's creator (Rejistania), have items such as the number of attacks, etc, customized into it for you.

Note that with Leagion you can:

-Change the attack and defense values, allowing for a higher or lower scoring head-to-head event

-Use the FHWC mode, which was designed for the Field Hockey World Cup, and has more attacks, and a higher scoring rate than the basic formula

-With a knowledge of java, or a plea to it's creator (Rejistania), have items such as the number of attacks, etc, customized into it for you.
I don't know if they could make it work without making significant changes to the program. My scorination algorithm just doesn't fit that general model. To see the formula that I use click on link #4 in my sig. (Look under the headings labeled Batting and Formula.) As you can see, my algorithm is significantly different from the ones used in the other sports. I think Rejistania could do it (heck I managed to do it on a TI), but it might take more effort than she would be willing to use for someone she has never RPed with. Anyway, Casari says he already has a spreadsheet for baseball, and I'll probably try to learn Visual C++ so that I can make the program myself.

I now have a water polo scorinator... not that anyone cares... :p

I now have a water polo scorinator... not that anyone cares... :p
Woohoo!! Water Polo!!! I can barely contain my exitement!!!
On less sarcastic note, I've decided that Casari or whoever hosts the first Summer Games should scorinate the baseball event. Not that I would be unwilling to do so, but I would need the scorinator (I don't really like my scorinator anymore. It takes too much effort and it causes the rules for rosters to be too complicated.) Anyway, I'm totally willing to help scorinate any sports in the Winter or Summer games.

South Illyria (SIL) would like to send a small delegation of athletes to the Games, if registration is still open.

As a side note: Regarding athlete bonuses, we request that if they are given, the same total number of bonuses are given to each country, regardless of size. If not it only increases the gap between young and old countries, which is nearly impossible to bridge. Since this is the first Olympics it seems only fair that all entering countries begin on equal footing.

South Illyria (SIL) would like to send a small delegation of athletes to the Games, if registration is still open.

As a side note: Regarding athlete bonuses, we request that if they are given, the same total number of bonuses are given to each country, regardless of size. If not it only increases the gap between young and old countries, which is nearly impossible to bridge. Since this is the first Olympics it seems only fair that all entering countries begin on equal footing.
You're in luck. Most posters in NS Sports agree with you on this issue. There is almost 0 chance that population will have any effect.

Woohoo!! Water Polo!!! I can barely contain my exitement!!!
On less sarcastic note, I've decided that Casari or whoever hosts the first Summer Games should scorinate the baseball event. Not that I would be unwilling to do so, but I would need the scorinator (I don't really like my scorinator anymore. It takes too much effort and it causes the rules for rosters to be too complicated.) Anyway, I'm totally willing to help scorinate any sports in the Winter or Summer games.

I think your scorinator is great because its the most stat based scorinator for the most stat based game baseball. But that's not really about the olympics and should be discussed somewhere else. Although I do agree that you might need to simplify the rosters a bit it shouldn't be too hard.

I think your scorinator is great because its the most stat based scorinator for the most stat based game baseball. But that's not really about the olympics and should be discussed somewhere else. Although I do agree that you might need to simplify the rosters a bit it shouldn't be too hard.
You're right. This topic does need its own thread. I'll create it now.

I've been trying to figure out how to impliment some sort of bonuses. There's a number of options, all of which I think we've gone over already. The National Sport/World-Class Athlete thing would be easy to be on top of, but any way I look at RP bonus is just a dog, unless every athlete was on some master list and could be edited at once.

What if we looked at alternate signup methods, like, for instance, naming all the world-class athletes, and then giving a number of stock names to be used for athletes who do so well?

I've been trying to figure out how to impliment some sort of bonuses. There's a number of options, all of which I think we've gone over already. The National Sport/World-Class Athlete thing would be easy to be on top of, but any way I look at RP bonus is just a dog, unless every athlete was on some master list and could be edited at once.

What if we looked at alternate signup methods, like, for instance, naming all the world-class athletes, and then giving a number of stock names to be used for athletes who do so well?
Huh? Explain that in detail. I must be missing something because I don't get what you're proposing. Sorry.:confused:

The Domini People would very much like to help facilitate the founding of the NS Olympiad. And as such, we would like to participate in the entirety of the Winter Olympic session.

Also, the city of Ungava, in the Domnonian province of East Hiel is most eager to put a bid in as a host city. Information on the city of Ungava can be found here: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/The_Province_of_East_Hiel

Well, if all the athletes that were sent by nations were in one list, maybe with columns for Name/Nation/Event/Rating or something, then if we were to sort by the nation, we could adjust all the scores at once with any RP bonus the nations recieved. It'd take some massive, massive upkeep though. Java could do it better, but I don't know Java.

For the last part, for instance, if you wanted to enter athletes in every sport, you would name your World-Class Athletes, I'm thinking 12 or so, and then maybe provide 30 men's and 30 women's names. Then, if one of your normal athletes makes it to, say, a 100m semifinal or final where they would stand out, I'd take the first name from the list and change the name from "An archy-1" to the name from the stock list. That way:
- Keeping the name and event of every single athlete isn't so dizzying and insane a feat
- Your World-Class athletes will still have unique names
- Anyone submitting a team won't have to name 700 athletes
- An RP-bonus would be easier to keep because you wouldn't have to add the bonus to each and every entry, but keep a general score that would apply to any non-world-class athletes
- But, anyone in the finals won't be stuck with a placeholder name.

Eh... It's not really as fun if you have a bunch of nameless athletes competing against one another. Every nation should at least have the option of naming all their athletes and specifying exactly who's competing in what. Like the World Cup rosters, it puts a more human touch to it. Otherwise it'll all just be random scores and statistics.

Plus, if you have to name all your athletes, it may prevent some nations from entering athletes in every single event, which is hardly realistic. If you have to think about which of your athletes is competing in what, it means you're going to be making choices, which makes it more realistic.

(Incidentally, my puppet nation, San Adriano, will only be entering one, two or maybe three athletes.)

I'm with Arridia on this one. I'd like to be able to name my own athletes, especially since in An archy almost everyone has a name of the form Name Nameson (such as Patty Paterson.) While this may make the process of scorination easier, it simply isn't worth it in terms of realism IMHO. Here's a secret to keeping track of RP bonus. To keep track of RP bonus you only have to keep track of how many nonRP posts that each poster has made in the thread. You can find the total number of posts by each poster by clicking on the underlined number in the Replies collumb. Oh! I just had an idea. You can use your idea without sacrificing reallism. For ooc purposes you could name all the athletes An archy 1 etc. (You wouldn't even have to name the "world class" athletes.) For ic purposes posters could name their athletes whatever they want. When you post the result you'ld simply refer to the athletes as An archy 1 or whatever your ooc name is for them. It would be the individual poster's job to know which ic name corresponds to which number. Would this work?

Rammstein the land is willing to help in any way neccosery even though were rather small

Aye, but with World Cup rosters, we don't have to scorinate every player individually.

See, my thing was I didn't exactly want tons of nameless athletes popping up everywhere in the results, as it cuts into the realism even worse. But otherwise, having to get the name and event of every entry would, as I believe Star said, be a job for three or more people. So I was making an effort to cut it neatly down the middle. And if you wanted to enter everything, it wouldn't be that difficult to pump a random name generator and get a mob of names quickly.

Hanneslandor would also like to sign up :)

Personally with regard to the whole naming of athletes thing I find myself agreeing with Ariddia. Naming your athletes certainly makes it a lot more realistic and easier to RP (not just for you, but for those competing against you - it simply doesn't seem right to say "...while in judo, Mark Wilson was narrowly defeated by Casaran Athlete #27.").

Heh, I suppose CH's random name generator is going to get a much heavier workout then. :p

Antrium would like to participate :D

EDIT: And we would like to offer Sivaris (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Sivaris) as a host city for the winter games.

If it's not too late to enter, Ceorana (CEO) will give this a shot.

Something else on that too- How deep will we get into the schedule until we really start to hit name-apathy? Naming maybe 60 or 70 people in Athletics, 50 in Swimming, 30 or 40 in Rowing, 16 in Gymnastics, 20 Wrestlers, 18 in Taekwondo, 18 in Judo, 24 in Weightlifting... that's over 200 names. Unless you're dead-set on having that Syncronized Swimming Pairs Medal, how deep do yow get into the schedule before you get sick of naming people?

It seems to me that that forcing someone to name each and every entry really would put a line between those who want to casually take part and the super-die-hard-RPers, while I think that it's necessary for us to be open to anyone who wants to take part, maybe RP occasionally, but not hold too much of an emotional interest in how each and every person does. As far as I can tell, both systems seem to be equally viable.

Something else on that too- How deep will we get into the schedule until we really start to hit name-apathy? Naming maybe 60 or 70 people in Athletics, 50 in Swimming, 30 or 40 in Rowing, 16 in Gymnastics, 20 Wrestlers, 18 in Taekwondo, 18 in Judo, 24 in Weightlifting... that's over 200 names. Unless you're dead-set on having that Syncronized Swimming Pairs Medal, how deep do yow get into the schedule before you get sick of naming people?

It seems to me that that forcing someone to name each and every entry really would put a line between those who want to casually take part and the super-die-hard-RPers, while I think that it's necessary for us to be open to anyone who wants to take part, maybe RP occasionally, but not hold too much of an emotional interest in how each and every person does. As far as I can tell, both systems seem to be equally viable.

There are some 200 nations in RL, right? And arguibly some of the 10,000s of nations active in NationStates are actually puppets used as corporations or ngos ... but let's say we end up with just 200 participants. Many RL nations that participate in the Olympics send small delegations.

Maybe a polite note just encouraging newbies to send mid-sized delegations with rostsers of names.

Each scorinator could create an event entry form for smaller events:
Event
Name
Age
Nation
Honetown

Each team event could have just a team captain or MVP listed:
Event
Name
Age
Nation
Hometown

I think you are right that this will discourage people from sending large delegations, but I don't see that as a bad thing. Having these sorts of details means once the games are finished, that archivist (which I'd be willing to become) can slowly create NSWiki articles about the gold, silver, and bronze medalists for each event. Scorinators might help out a bit, but I think there is room for the rest of us to still help out. :)

I have a problem with Winter events being Compulsery

I have a puppet nation called TheSuncoastofFlorida wich is located in obviusly Florida.

How the heck are they going to practice for all the compulsery Outdoorsports when the temperture goes below freezing once every 8 years?

i ARE YOU SERIOUS HOW WHAT TGIS ISNT EVEN A GAME WHERE YOU CAN THAT IS SO STUPID WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT

I have a problem with Winter events being Compulsery

I have a puppet nation called TheSuncoastofFlorida wich is located in obviusly Florida.

How the heck are they going to practice for all the compulsery Outdoorsports when the temperture goes below freezing once every 8 years?

I think they don't mean we have to send athletes for all events, but that the Olympic host cities must have the ability to host those events. :)

A few of my allies are planning on only sending a few athletes, though naturally I'll be cheering on their athletes as though they were my own.

I have a problem with Winter events being Compulsery

I have a puppet nation called TheSuncoastofFlorida wich is located in obviusly Florida.

How the heck are they going to practice for all the compulsery Outdoorsports when the temperture goes below freezing once every 8 years?

The "Compulsory" events are compulsory to be hosted. You can enter as few or as many as you like.

The Suncoast of Florida would,as a puppet, like to join.

And we would like to Have Tampa as a summer games host

I think you are right that this will discourage people from sending large delegations, but I don't see that as a bad thing.

Indeed. We don't want to be encouraging nations to say they're fielding athletes in every single event, but that they're all nameless.

Jonquiere-Tadoussac would also like to express its interest in participating in both the Winter and Summer Games.

Tynelia looks to add Olympic success to its progress in the BoF and later WC27 and is ready to send a contingent to the winter games. The rest of the country is too busy following the soccer scene to worry about a Summer Olympic team.

I've been trying to figure out how to impliment some sort of bonuses. There's a number of options, all of which I think we've gone over already. The National Sport/World-Class Athlete thing would be easy to be on top of, but any way I look at RP bonus is just a dog, unless every athlete was on some master list and could be edited at once.
Enter database-based programs, the OOC core of the Aeropag bid. :p

My plan for RP bonus is to give a bonus to each country, which will benefit all of their athletes. This would be on top of any bonus/penalty for “world class” athletes. The scorinator would then automatically look up what country each athlete is from and query the DB for the appropriate bonus before scorinating.

Not that I expect anyone else to be able to implement that. :p

Wow, what an interesting concept for those of us with programming skills. :p Thank god I dedicated my life to the pursuit of knowing 12 different programming languages.

I look at it the same way with nations who enter the WC, but don't post rosters. It's not a required option. If nothing else, there probably will or should be an IC skill penalty for having an Olympic delegtion of 1400 athletes. There's no reason why sending a large delegation of athletes shouldn't be an option as well. If that's the case, I also don't agree making the penalty for sending a large delegation having to go through the tedium of naming everyone, and if you want to, go ahead. Sadly, we don't have Pre-olympic tournements to work down these fields to happy-sizes before the competiton, which is a major factor as well. I just think as a participating country, you should have as many oppertunities as possible to design your team to what you want.

Firstly, no one in their right mind would let Tonissia host ANYTHING.

Secondly, when it comes down to voting for hosts, I've got a suggestion. Instead of using a poll, where you can only choose one to win, you either "support" or "oppose" a candidate, with a good reason. One could support and oppose more than one candidate. The NSUOC could disqualify votes with poor reasoning, and the bid with the most net supports (supports subtracted by opposes) would win, with the number of supports being a possible tiebreaker?

Firstly, no one in their right mind would let Tonissia host ANYTHING.

Secondly, when it comes down to voting for hosts, I've got a suggestion. Instead of using a poll, where you can only choose one to win, you either "support" or "oppose" a candidate, with a good reason. One could support and oppose more than one candidate. The NSUOC could disqualify votes with poor reasoning, and the bid with the most net supports (supports subtracted by opposes) would win, with the number of supports being a possible tiebreaker?
I fully support this. A vote made on a poll with no more unspoken reason than, "I like voting on polls, this nation has a prettier name, and anyways, I'm not participating in whatever sport RP they're doing," is bad for a balanced vote, and can be influenced by anomymous Puppet accounts. And a good reason can sway other voters, but let's not let a "reason posting vote" turn into a "back and forth argument about which host is better, and why". Reasons should be posted and not rebutted or slammed, but rather be posted and left for the NSUOC to count.

Lawtonia from the International Democratic Union would love to participate

Upscale Cruises would be elated to particpate in Olypiad, although we have no cities ready to host.

After some careful consideration, the Schiavone government have decided not to put forward their capital, Kingsbury, forward as an Olympic host city. Instead, they have confirmed that they are around 85% certain to put forward a bid to host the Games of the Second Olympiad.

Is Olivery the only one thus far to post the bid thread for their bid? Kind of makes an easy chice like that :p


Edit: I found one from Raging Penguins as well.

******FROM THE OFFICE OF THE KING OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE******

After hearing about the proposals to organise a Summer and Winter Olympics the Government of Nouvelle Angleterre has taken upon itself to form the Olympic Commitee of Nouvelle Angleterre (OCNA).

OCNA would like to submit a bids to host both the inaugural Summer and Winter Olympiads.

The mountain ski resort of Funuex Pelham therefore submits a bid to host the Winter Olympiad. With the infrastructure for winter sports already in place and welcoming locals we beleive that Furneux Pelham would be the ideal place for the inaugural Winter Olympiad to take place.

The capital of Nouvelle Angleterre, Noumarche, submits its bid to host the inaugural Summer Olympiad. It has a proud sporting tradition and with the country's exemplary security record, Noumarche would be the ideal place to launch the Olympic movement without the threat of anti-government protests, racism, corruption or terrorism that would be a danger in other host cities.

We have cross party support in this bid and the backing of the entire nation.

Yours Humbly,
HM King Tristan MP Leader of Nouvelle Angleterre
Daniel Allen MP,PM Prime Minister of Nouvelle Angleterre
Matt Buxton MP Nouvelle Anglterre Sports Secretary, Head of OCNA

The Holy Empire of Zertunia (ZER) would wish to perticpate in the winter events
also we would wonder why the Nordic Combine is not on the event list, as ski jumping and x-country skiing is zertunias strong suit.

I think it's just casual oversight.

The Marxist State (TMS) Will join the NSOC and will participate in Winter and Summer games.

Do to a civil war we can not offer a host city.

We offer our host city, Moravia, with its 500 Million Population for the Winter and Summer Olympics

I think it's just casual oversight.

Bingo.

PS: Any Winter Games bid threads, please post the link here.

Makes it sooo much easier...

The Official Ungava, Domnonia NSOlympic Winter Games Bid can be found here:

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Ungava_Olympic_Bid_2006

Thank you for your time and consideration.

OOC: *Signs up*

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469428 - Bloco'yces bid, which was mentioned by Andossa.

I fully support this. A vote made on a poll with no more unspoken reason than, "I like voting on polls, this nation has a prettier name, and anyways, I'm not participating in whatever sport RP they're doing," is bad for a balanced vote, and can be influenced by anomymous Puppet accounts. And a good reason can sway other voters, but let's not let a "reason posting vote" turn into a "back and forth argument about which host is better, and why". Reasons should be posted and not rebutted or slammed, but rather be posted and left for the NSUOC to count.

Thanks for the support.

Naming athletes:

Maybe it would be easier on the coders if athletes had generic country-based names (for instance, they could be a three-or-four-letter country code followed by a number: SIL-1, SIL-2, etc. for mine.) Then whoever had volunteered to archive or write up the sports for the news could telegram the countries whose athletes had made the finals (top 6-8) to get information like name, hometown, background. Or individual countries could post the information for their star athletes before the events in a special thread like so:

Code: SIL-12
Name:
Hometown:
etc.

S.I. is not sure how or if this would work, as we are new to the world of NS sports as well as coding.

The Constitutional Monarchy of Malabra would also like to sign up for both the Winter and Summer Olympic Games of Nationstates. It will be headed by our newly formed olympic committee, MOC.

We will not enter any host city bids this year.

The Aeropag Winter Olympics Organizing Committee officially announces its bid thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469582).

Maybe it would be easier on the coders if athletes had generic country-based names (for instance, they could be a three-or-four-letter country code followed by a number: SIL-1, SIL-2, etc. for mine.)

Eh. That would make the whole thing look like a competition of nameless machines.

It just seems silly to field individual athletes without naming them. It dehumanises the whole thing. It's worse than not submitting a roster for the World Cup, in my opinion. "And, in table tennis, Fabien Wu of Ariddia failed to qualify, after being soundly defeated by an unnamed athlete from South Ilyria"...

What's the point of even fielding an athlete without a name? Plus, having to name them will prevent nations from sending ridiculously large delegations of faceless automatons just for the sake of maximising their chances of a medal.

Naming each athlete you send providesa number of benefits. It 'discourages' people from sending enormous delegations of athletes as every one needs the effort of a name being created for them. Now, I don't know about anyone else, but I take great care, love, attention, effort, sweat, alcohol, etc with my character names.

Plus it all adds to the RPing fun. But mostly the discouragement. What Arry said, basically.

Oh, and naming your athletes is possible. I've just put together a list of 126 names for Ariddian athletes. I'll decide specifically who's doing what once the events have been decided.

I've also done a list of 2 athletes for my puppet nation, San Adriano. ;)

I also agree that each athlete should be named. As Ariddia has said, not naming them takes away the human factor that will make these games a success. I take pride in naming most of my important players and important figures that I want to use in RP alot. I have found some great name generators for coming up with names for players or figures who fill in or rank lower on my scale of who is important.

http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Humor/Names/Name_Generators

The work then becomes just putting names on the athletes.

Kamanari would like to sign up for both Olympics! :)

Again, Antrium would like to participate. We were missing from the members list, so I thought I would post again.

We decided not to make a bid on a site for the Olympics, but recommend Ungava, Domnonia :D

I still can't think of how "You have to come up with names!" works as a deterrant to big delegations. I think a much better one would be adjusting a nation's skill level/whatever based on the number of entries. There has to be a balance other than oversaturation and then just entering athletes in events where you're using your bonuses and ignoring the rest. Personally I'd like to see delegations at least in the region of about 300 entries from nations for the summer olympics, and about 150-175 for the winters.

I also plan a considerable puppet penalty. :p