NationStates Jolt Archive

I still can't think of how "You have to come up with names!" works as a deterrant to big delegations.

OK then, you give us 300 unique names in your next post. See how much fun that is compared to the effort involved :D

In certain host city bids, I've noticed that the candidates go into great detail on how they are going to run the nsolympics(ie: scoring, rp bonuses). Is that what is required of a host city, to be the ringmaster of it all? Or, hopefully, is it that we are to facilitate roleplaying by providing fictional locations, events and cultural history for RP tete-a-tete and provide media coverage with story filler?

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UNGAVA for 2006 (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Ungava_Olympic_Bid_2006)

In certain host city bids, I've noticed that the candidates go into great detail on how they are going to run the nsolympics(ie: scoring, rp bonuses). Is that what is required of a host city, to be the ringmaster of it all? Or, hopefully, is it that we are to facilitate roleplaying by providing fictional locations, events and cultural history for RP tete-a-tete and provide media coverage with story filler?

Both, in fact. The single most important thing for an Olympic Host - or any sporting host, for that matter - is to get the scores out. A wonderous environment for RPing is all well and good, but if there are no scores, there are no substantial RPs.

You won't win a bid by not mentioning your scoring techniques and RP bonus - if any. You may win a bid without mentioning your RP environment. Stadia are useless without games being played in them, imho.

Oh, okay. I figured that as a host city, you would do little more than provide the background scenery for RP purposes. Then as the games progressed, and scores were generated participants would just roleplay on their own. I thought that maybe the council would be handling the scoring for some reason. Now that I think of it though, if not them, SOMEONE has to do the scoring don't they?

The host has a mountainous task in these efforts. If he/she will not be doing all the scorinating alone, there still comes the fact that everything must be coordinated properly so that scores come out consistently. Also the host does control the atmosphere of the RP.

Lots to manage for whoever wins the bid.

FAO: NSOC UPPER COUNCIL

There are eight bids put forward to the candidacy stage. These are:

Bloco'yce City, RPN
Dasha-Leninstag, SAP
Marshalliston, OLI
Stadt Nicht, LEN
Revena, OCM
Aeropag, COM
Moravia, MRV
Ungava, DOM

The bids from HBH and HCN have been removed as neither finalised a host city.

Upper council members, please choose UP TO THREE bids to go forward to a general vote. You have until THURSDAY 23RD FEBRUARY to do this. The three (or mor if there is a tie) bids with the most votes will go to a general vote.

VOTES TO BE TGED TO NATION "NSOC INBOX"

It would help if there were links to the bids. If I have time tomorrow, I'll try to list them all.

Here’s all the bid links that I know of (in alphabetical order, for obvious reasons :p ):

Aeropag, COM (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469582)
Bloco’yce, RPN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469428)
Marshalliston, OLI (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469310)
Ungava, DOM (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Ungava_Olympic_Bid_2006)

To Whom It May Concern:

Notice is hereby given that the meeting of the Parliament of the Grand Duchy of Bejerot, held in the capital city of Norrmalmstorg on 19 February 2006, has reviewed the proposal put forth by the NationStates Olympic Council to participate in the Olympic Games. After careful consideration, the representatives of the state have determined that it is in the best interests of our country and people to participate in these games, and therefore the Comité Bejeroti olympique (CBO) has been created to regulate the athletics of our country for participation.

The Bejorati Parliament appreciates your initial request; we are enthusiatically looking forward to this project and are pleased to have this opportunity to work together for the furtherment of international unity.

Polliok, if it isn't too late, is willing to participate. If it isn't too late, we also have a 800 trillion poro (Poro 1=Dollar 5) Olympic stadium.

Polliok, if it isn't too late, is willing to participate. If it isn't too late, we also have a 800 trillion poro (Poro 1=Dollar 5) Olympic stadium.
You spent four quadrillion dollars on a stadium? Sounds like it’d make the Sokojito Überdome look like an empty field. How many billion seats does it have? :p

We'll show up late, crash the party, drain the punch bowl, steal away all the women and, um, sign up?

You spent four quadrillion dollars on a stadium? Sounds like it’d make the Sokojito Überdome look like an empty field. How many billion seats does it have? :p

Hah, with that kind of gross fiduciary mismanagement I'm surprised his currency is that strong. :p

We'll show up late, crash the party, drain the punch bowl, steal away all the women and, um, sign up?

You can have all the women from Meldinburg in the mountains of ASMV. Of course they are built like tanks, have beards, and may just steal away your men to never be seen again :D

The OCLE announces that Stadt Nicht will regretfully be pulling out of the race to host the Winter Games.

i suggest a Number cap for both the number of athletes a country can send to the winter games and to the summer games. Also a total number of athletes for each games.

For the Winter Olympics:

Maximum of 100 athletes per country
For the total number of athletes in the Games games 80 athletes*number of countries participating.

For the Summer Olympics:

Maximum of 220 athletes per country
For the total Number of athlete in the Games 175 athletes*number of countries participating.

I still believe that this way countries with big populations/Super RPer's don't aoutomaticaly have an advantage and littler countries/newer Rper's still have a shot at winning at least 1 bronze medal.

{ooc: this way it will be more even than the real Olympics in which some teams send 700 athletes to the games and others 1 or 2. also it will force some countries not to do all events, thereby increasing the chance that an unknown can win a Gold Medal...and don't tell me that can't happen.}

I think the cap should be on number of athletes per event, and not overall number of athletes. Like IRL for alpine skiing no nation may have more than 4 participants in either men's or women's downhill, for example.

I think the cap should be on number of athletes per event, and not overall number of athletes. Like IRL for alpine skiing no nation may have more than 4 participants in either men's or women's downhill, for example.

i belive that i had a silimar proposal to what you are saying way back on page 5 of this thread. i could go either way, would like to see a cap on Number per event, but total number could work also.

Let it be both. A cap on the total number, and on the number of athletes per event, although the cap of athletes per event will surely encourage the capping of a total number as well.

GREEN WOMBAT INTERWEB NEWS

Earlier today, the GWOC, Green Wombat Olympic Commitee was formed and petitioned to join the NSOC. Our Country will primarily compete in the Summer games with our strengths being in Weighlifting, Wrestling, and Archery. If our country could find somewhere to train for the Winter games, we may send a Biathalon team to the winter games as well.

Thanks for the links, New Manhattan!

Let it be both. A cap on the total number, and on the number of athletes per event, although the cap of athletes per event will surely encourage the capping of a total number as well.

I agree.

Hopefully, nations will also take realism into account, especially for the Winter Olympics. Countries living in a hot climate with no mountains aren't very likely to send a large delegation to the Winter Olympics - especially if, to top it all, the country in question is dirt poor. Ariddia, for example, is a nation of islands in the Pacific, with a climate half-way between temperate and tropical, and nothing that looks like mountains. We'd have nowhere to train athletes for most Winter events. Realistically, we can send athletes for events like ice skating, short track, maybe bobsleigh or even biathlon, but - to make a comparison - can you imagine Fiji or Cuba sending athletes on skis?

I don't think we should force anything on individual nations in that regard, but I'm just hoping people will be realistic.

I would like to join the Nation States Olympic Comitee/Council ........ or whatever its called.
Refering to what has just been mentioned in the previous post. A cap on athletes is a good point. You say Cuba etc. will not send nations to the winter olympics but some nation send athletes to both e.g france, italy, britain, USA, Russia. In britain there are few mountains but they send several athletes to the winter olympics.

The Democratic Republic of Dsboy thanks the NSIOC for the invitation to participate in the NS Olympic Games. We are currently forming a team for the Summer Games and would like to participate in this important sporting movement.

Our climate does not allow for winter sports, but the Republic looks forward to observing the winter games.

At this time the Republic of Dsboy and it's Government feels that building the facilities neccessary to be a viable contender for host nation would adversely effect our rainforest protection program and is very concerned about the effects of so many visitors all at once, on our tiny nation, it's people and resources & so politely declines the invitation to compete for hosting rights.

Please keep our Nation informed on news of the Olympic movement.

In peace,
Butch Althetic
Minister For Sports and Recreation
Government of the Democratic Republic of Dsboy

but some nation send athletes to both e.g france, italy, britain, USA, Russia. In britain there are few mountains but they send several athletes to the winter olympics.

Of course. Most nations who take part in the Winter Olympics also send athletes to the Summer ones. That wasn't my point. My point was that a number of factors will influence whether or not a nation can take part in the Winter ones and, perhaps more importantly, the size of its delegation. Nations who lack the climate and facilities will logically not send many athletes for the Winter Olympics.

Of course. Most nations who take part in the Winter Olympics also send athletes to the Summer ones. That wasn't my point. My point was that a number of factors will influence whether or not a nation can take part in the Winter ones and, perhaps more importantly, the size of its delegation. Nations who lack the climate and facilities will logically not send many athletes for the Winter Olympics.
Yes such as Ethopia who send several athletes to the summer ones but none to the winter olympics.

Yes such as Ethopia who send several athletes to the summer ones but none to the winter olympics.

Actually... Ethiopia has sent one athlete to the 2006 Winter Olympics, for the first time ever. ;)

Which essentially shows my point. I'd say it's all right for any nation to send a symbolic delegation to the Winter Games, but a mountainless nation with a hot climate, for example, would logically not be able to send a large delegation.

Incidentally, and on an unrelated aspect... What about the Paralympics? Will they be integrated into the main NS Olympics?

And who can forget the Jamaican Bobsled Team?

Well Schiavonia has it's Winter Olympic Squad prepared already.

All seven of them.

Incidentally, and on an unrelated aspect... What about the Paralympics? Will they be integrated into the main NS Olympics?
I think it would be a bad idea to have a Paralympics integrated into the main NS Olympics. We've been worrying about the scope of these games as it is. Adding the Paralympics could be just enough cripple our hopes of creating an NS Olympics [/insensitive pun].

It would be nice if we could do them in some way, though. It's not really the Olympics without the Paras. Perhaps we could at least integrate a small number of events for disabled athletes?

[[After a weekend trip away from the computer...]]

*How many delegates?

::I think that the host should specify how many total athletes may be sent for each event, and how many athletes overall may be sent. Example:

Speed Skating (__ max)
::Speed Skating Event 1 (__ max)
::Speed Skating Event 2 (__ max)
::Speed Skating Event 3 (__ max)
::Speed Skating Event 4 (__ max)
::Speed Skating Event 5 (__ max)

And make it so that the event maxes, when totalled together, total more than the entire sport max. Therefore, teams will have to make sacrifices on delegations.

*Paralympics

::Yes, it'd be nice, but I think it would only add to the sheer complexity of things. I'm gonna say no.

*The Kazoo Peoples'/The Islands of Qutar's joint Summer Games bid
::Still in the works. We want to make sure we have all bases covered with scorinators and whatnot. We also must choose scorinators.
(Islands of Qutar: sorry about not contacting you yet... I'm filtering through all the sports still. I'll contact you within the next week.)

Well Schiavonia has it's Winter Olympic Squad prepared already.

All seven of them.

"Have you heard, oh have you seen? Schiavonia we have a bobsleigh team!"

All you need is John Candy and you're set. Maybe the bobsleigh will become a fitting ice coffin.

"Have you heard, oh have you seen? Schiavonia we have a bobsleigh team!"

All you need is John Candy and you're set. Maybe the bobsleigh will become a fitting ice coffin.

"Terry, you dead?"
"Yah man."
"Er...you can pee now."
"Uuuuuuuuum...too late...."

Chicago, Great Plains would like to place a bid for the Summer Games if it's not too late- a nice rainforest backdrop for the outdoor events such as archery and triathlon. The marathon would start in the rainforest, cut through the tiny desert we've got, and wrap up in Chicago's Olympic Stadium.

Chicago is coastal, so there's open water for the events that need it (sailing and such.) The soccer events would need several stadiums, and nearby citites Fargo, Grand Rapids, Wichita, Madison and Detroit are willing to chip in there.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/mtvcdm/untitled.jpg

As for the Winter, we're a summer-only country. We have three people in the regional games (a cross-country skier claiming the dual-citizenship clause and an underfunded two-man bobsled team), and nobody willing to participate in the Olympics.

It would be nice if we could do them in some way, though. It's not really the Olympics without the Paras. Perhaps we could at least integrate a small number of events for disabled athletes?
Heh, I was just looking at my Mount Effinsteep diagrams, and then I saw this post...
Many people who ski the slopes of Mount Effinsteep leave in wheelchairs...

OK, here we go. The Krytenian Provisional (ie feel free to come up with an alternative) Max Participation Table:

BIATHLON
7.5KM SPRINT WOMEN - 4
10KM SPRINT MEN - 4
10KM PURSUIT WOMEN - 3
12.5KM PURSUIT MEN - 3
12.5KM MASS WOMEN - 3
15KM MASS MEN - 3
15KM INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 2
20KM INDIVIDUAL MEN - 2
4x6KM RELAY WOMEN - 1
4x7.5KM RELAY MEN - 1

BOBSLEIGH
2 MAN MEN - 2
2 MAN WOMEN - 2
4 MAN MEN - 1

SKELETON
INDIVIDUAL MEN - 3
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 3

CURLING
MEN - 1
WOMEN - 1

ICE HOCKEY
MEN - 1
WOMEN - 1

LUGE
INDIVIDUAL MEN - 3
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 3
DOUBLES OPEN - 2

FIGURE SKATING
INDIVIDUAL MEN - 3
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 3
PAIRS MIXED - 2
ICE DANCE MIXED - 2

SPEED SKATING
500M MEN - 4
500M WOMEN - 4
1KM MEN - 3
1KM WOMEN - 3
1.5KM MEN - 2
1.5KM WOMEN - 2
3KM WOMEN - 2
5KM MEN - 2
10KM MEN - 1
TEAM PURSUIT MEN - 1
TEAM PURSUIT WOMEN - 1

SHORT TRACK
500M MEN - 4
500M WOMEN - 4
1KM MEN - 3
1KM WOMEN - 3
1.5KM MEN - 2
1.5KM WOMEN - 2
3KM RELAY WOMEN - 1
5KM RELAY MEN - 1

ALPINE SKIING
SLALOM MEN - 3
SLALOM WOMEN - 3
GIANT SLALOM MEN - 4
GIANT SLALOM WOMEN - 4
SUPER-G MEN - 4
SUPER-G WOMEN - 4
DOWNHILL MEN - 4
DOWNHILL WOMEN - 4
ALPINE COMBINED MEN - 3
ALPINE COMBINED WOMEN - 3

CROSS-COUNTRY SKIING
15KM PURSUIT WOMEN - 3
30KM PURSUIT MEN - 3
10KM CLASSICAL WOMEN - 3
15KM CLASSICAL MEN - 3
INDIVIDUAL SPRINT MEN - 3
INDIVIDUAL SPRINT WOMEN - 3
30KM FREESTYLE WOMEN - 3
50KM FREESTYLE MEN - 3
TEAM SPRINT MEN - 1
TEAM SPRINT WOMEN - 1
4x5KM RELAY WOMEN - 1
4x10KM RELAY MEN - 1



FREESTYLE SKIING
MOGULS MEN - 3
MOGULS WOMEN - 3
AERIALS MEN - 3
AERIALS WOMEN - 3

NORDIC COMBINED
INDIVIDUAL GUNDERSEN MEN - 3
INDIVIDUAL SPRINT MEN - 3
TEAM MEN - 1

SKI JUMPING
INDIVIDUAL NORMAL HILL MEN - 3
INDIVIDUAL LARGE HILL MEN - 3
TEAM LARGE HILL MEN - 1

SNOWBOARDING
PARALLEL GIANT SLALOM MEN - 3
PARALLEL GIANT SLALOM WOMEN - 3
HALFPIPE MEN - 3
HALFPIPE WOMEN - 3
SNOWBOARD CROSS MEN - 2
SNOWBOARD CROSS WOMEN - 2

TOTAL EVENTS - 83
TOTAL MAX COMPETITORS - 210
MAX PER NATION - 160

~signs up~

SPA

I'm sure Ajer, Yafor 2, would be interested in a preliminary bid for the Summer Games; in collaboration with someone else, of course.

Seriously, though, my schedule has cleared up, and I think that I could partially host something.

Based on Krytenia's table, which looks fine to me, here's what Ariddia's delegation to the Winter Games would look like:


BIATHLON
7.5KM SPRINT WOMEN – Emily Sands
10KM SPRINT MEN – François Riverdale
10KM PURSUIT WOMEN – Emily Sands
12.5KM PURSUIT MEN – François Riverdale
15KM INDIVIDUAL WOMEN – Emily Sands
20KM INDIVIDUAL MEN – François Riverdale

BOBSLEIGH
2 MAN MEN – E Au & Joseph Horn
2 MAN WOMEN – Adèle Marchand & Sandra Fieldman

SKELETON
INDIVIDUAL MEN – Julian Cheminot

ICE HOCKEY
MEN – 1 team
WOMEN – 1 team

LUGE
INDIVIDUAL MEN – Yosief Debesa

FIGURE SKATING
INDIVIDUAL MEN – Yves Barreau
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN – Bénédicte Steinbauer

SPEED SKATING
500M MEN – Jean-Michel Chang, Richard Maraîcher, Derek Riise
500M WOMEN – Jessica Silversmith, Linda Uosh
1KM MEN - Jean-Michel Chang, Richard Maraîcher, Derek Riise
1KM WOMEN - Jessica Silversmith, Linda Uosh
1.5KM MEN - Jean-Michel Chang, Richard Maraîcher
1.5KM WOMEN - Jessica Silversmith, Linda Uosh
3KM WOMEN - Jessica Silversmith, Linda Uosh
5KM MEN - Jean-Michel Chang, Richard Maraîcher
10KM MEN - Jean-Michel Chang

SHORT TRACK
500M MEN - Jean-Michel Chang, Richard Maraîcher, Derek Riise
500M WOMEN - Jessica Silversmith, Linda Uosh
1KM MEN - Jean-Michel Chang, Richard Maraîcher, Derek Riise
1KM WOMEN - Jessica Silversmith, Linda Uosh
1.5KM MEN - Jean-Michel Chang, Derek Riise
1.5KM WOMEN - Jessica Silversmith, Linda Uosh


TOTAL EVENTS - 29
TOTAL COMPETITORS – 13 individuals, two pairs & two teams (counting each athlete only once); 43 individuals, two pairs & two teams (counting athletes several times when they compete in several events)

And this would be the delegation from San Adriano (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/San_Adriano) (my puppet nation):


SHORT TRACK
500M MEN – Thomas Peruzzi
1KM MEN – Thomas Peruzzi
1.5KM MEN – Thomas Peruzzi


TOTAL EVENTS - 3
TOTAL COMPETITORS – 1 individual, (counting each athlete only once); 3 individuals (counting athletes several times when they compete in several events)


Neither Ariddia nor San Adriano will be taking part in skiing events, other than the biathlon, given that both nations lack a setting and facilities to train for them.

If we adopt Kry's suggestion, the Liverpool England delegation is as follows:

BIATHLON
7.5KM SPRINT WOMEN - 4 - Jane Elkins, Eleanor Soliz
10KM SPRINT MEN - 4 - Roy Wadley, Scott Hartnett
15KM MASS MEN - 3 - Roy Wadley, Scott Hartnett
15KM INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 2 - Jane Elkins, Eleanor Soliz
20KM INDIVIDUAL MEN - 2 - Roy Wadley, Scott Hartnett

BOBSLEIGH
2 MAN MEN - 2 - Wayne Duong, Randy Peele
2 MAN WOMEN - 2 - Carrie Boger, Doris Hartsfield

SKELETON
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 3 - Margarita Gorman, Joy Bianco

CURLING
MEN - 1 - Team of Tony Calabrese (Lead), Bruce Alsup (Second), Jesse Lafontaine (Third), Leonard Samaniego (Skip), Thomas Gavin (Alternate)
WOMEN - 1 - Team of Beatrice Countryman (Lead), Eunice Wisdom (Second), Candice Oden (Third), Angelica Carrol (Skip), Velma Haase (Alternate)

ICE HOCKEY
MEN - 1 - Men's ice hockey team
WOMEN - 1 - Women's ice hockey team

LUGE
INDIVIDUAL MEN - 3 - Bobby Muro, Jacob Gatlin, Wayne Mitchum

ALPINE SKIING
SLALOM MEN - 3 - Shawn Rigney, Jeff Hauser, David Ramey
SLALOM WOMEN - 3 - Madeline Palomino, Sally Criss
GIANT SLALOM MEN - 4 - Shawn Rigney, Jeff Hauser, David Ramey
GIANT SLALOM WOMEN - 4 - Madeline Palomino, Sally Criss
SUPER-G MEN - 4 - Shawn Rigney, Jeff Hauser, David Ramey
SUPER-G WOMEN - 4 - Madeline Palomino, Sally Criss
DOWNHILL MEN - 4 - Shawn Rigney, Jeff Hauser, David Ramey
DOWNHILL WOMEN - 4 - Madeline Palomino, Sally Criss
ALPINE COMBINED MEN - 3 - Shawn Rigney, Jeff Hauser, David Ramey
ALPINE COMBINED WOMEN - 3 - Madeline Palomino, Sally Criss

CROSS-COUNTRY SKIING
4x10KM RELAY MEN - 1 - Team of Steve Whatley, Craig Rahman, Mark Maya, Peter Haas

FREESTYLE SKIING
MOGULS MEN - 3 - Mark Toland, Mike Pemberton
MOGULS WOMEN - 3 - Lula Westover
AERIALS MEN - 3 - Mark Toland, Mike Pemberton
AERIALS WOMEN - 3 - Lula Westover

SNOWBOARDING
PARALLEL GIANT SLALOM MEN - 3 - Chris Kwan, Carl Minor
PARALLEL GIANT SLALOM WOMEN - 3 - Dolores Haire
HALFPIPE MEN - 3 - Chris Kwan, Carl Minor, Norman Marrufo
HALFPIPE WOMEN - 3 - Dolores Haire, Violet Sepulveda
SNOWBOARD CROSS MEN - 2 - Norman Marrufo, Jeffrey Dodds
SNOWBOARD CROSS WOMEN - 2 - Dolores Haire, Violet Sepulveda

Delegation of 41 individuals + 2 ice-hockey teams.

Ok. I do like the breakdown as Krytenia has propesed it except for perhaps the max per nation. So I have a couple of questions regarding that.

1. How many people does that alot for each of the curling teams? Players per end are 4 and usually 5 on a team. I really dont think we need the alternate.

2. How many players should be alotted to the hockey teams? Just starters - or some form of bench as well?

I think the Delegations would be better placed in roster threads once a host is picked.

I'm pretty sure olympic hockey teams are 20 players too.

I'm glad someone took my suggestion seriously, and made the max athlete thingy...

That being said, my athletes (all numbers are number of athletes):
TOTALS:
57 teams/individuals; 101 starting athletes; 26 alternate athletes

Events: 49 events

BIATHLON - 10 teams, 16 athletes

7.5KM SPRINT WOMEN - 2
10KM SPRINT MEN - 2
10KM PURSUIT WOMEN - 1
12.5KM PURSUIT MEN - 1
12.5KM MASS WOMEN - 1
15KM MASS MEN - 1
15KM INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 1
20KM INDIVIDUAL MEN - 1
4x6KM RELAY WOMEN - 1 team, 4 athletes
4x7.5KM RELAY MEN - 1 team, 4 athletes

BOBSLEIGH - 0 (no bobsleigh chutes)
SKELETON - 0 (see above)

CURLING - 2 teams, 8 athletes (2 alternates)
MEN - 1 team, 4 athletes (1 alternate)
WOMEN - 1 team, 4 athletes (1 alternate)

ICE HOCKEY - 2 teams, 12 athletes (24 alternates)
MEN - 1 team, 6 athletes (12 alternates)
WOMEN - 1 team, 6 athletes (12 alternates)

LUGE - 0 (see above)

FIGURE SKATING - 8 teams, 12 athletes (ice rinks are common)
INDIVIDUAL MEN - 2
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 2
PAIRS MIXED - 2 pairs, 4 athletes
ICE DANCE MIXED - 2 pairs, 4 athletes

SPEED SKATING 13 teams, 17 athletes (ice rinks are common)
500M MEN - 2
500M WOMEN - 2
1KM MEN - 1
1KM WOMEN - 1
1.5KM MEN - 1
1.5KM WOMEN - 1
3KM WOMEN - 1
5KM MEN - 1
10KM MEN - 1
TEAM PURSUIT MEN - 1 team, 3 athletes
TEAM PURSUIT WOMEN - 1 team, 3 athletes

SHORT TRACK - 10 teams, 16 athletes (ice rinks are common)
500M MEN - 2
500M WOMEN - 2
1KM MEN - 1
1KM WOMEN - 1
1.5KM MEN - 1
1.5KM WOMEN - 1
3KM RELAY WOMEN - 1 team, 4 athletes
5KM RELAY MEN - 1 team, 4 athletes

ALPINE SKIING - 0 (no suitable ski slopes)

CROSS-COUNTRY SKIING - 12 teams, 20 athletes (suitable slopes)
15KM PURSUIT WOMEN - 1
30KM PURSUIT MEN - 1
10KM CLASSICAL WOMEN - 1
15KM CLASSICAL MEN - 1
INDIVIDUAL SPRINT MEN - 1
INDIVIDUAL SPRINT WOMEN - 1
30KM FREESTYLE WOMEN - 1
50KM FREESTYLE MEN - 1
TEAM SPRINT MEN - 1 team, 2 athletes
TEAM SPRINT WOMEN - 1 team, 2 athletes
4x5KM RELAY WOMEN - 1 team, 4 athletes
4x10KM RELAY MEN - 1 team, 4 athletes

FREESTYLE SKIING - 0 (no suitable ski slopes)
NORDIC COMBINED - 0 (no suitable ski slopes)
SKI JUMPING - 0 (no suitable ski slopes)
SNOWBOARDING - 0 (no suitable ski slopes)

I'm glad someone took my suggestion seriously, and made the max athlete thingy...

BIATHLON - 0 (no suitable slopes)

i hate to be a nudge, but the Biathalon Course is only cross-country skiing, that and shooting stuff with rifles.

i hate to be a nudge, but the Biathalon Course is only cross-country skiing, that and shooting stuff with rifles.

Oops... I had intended to do no skiing at all. I forgot about the biathalon. Thanks for correcting me.

*Edits post*

The Most Serene Republic of Qazox would like to annouce its inital list of athletes to the 1st winter games.

BOBSLEIGH
2 MAN MEN - (QZX 1) James McCoy and Leonard Kirk, (QZX 2) Moe Howard and Curly Howard
2 MAN WOMEN - (QZX 1) Lisa Eliza and Liza Elisa
4 MAN MEN - (QZX 1) Moe Howard, Larry Fine, Curly Howard and Shemp Howard

SKELETON
INDIVIDUAL MEN - Jean-Luc Crusher, Wesley Riker and William Picard
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - Beverly Troi, Deanna Laren and Ro Crusher


ICE HOCKEY
MEN - (Qazox City Fighting Pike[only Hockey team yeat established in Qazox])

LUGE
INDIVIDUAL MEN - Jean-Luc Crusher, Wesley Riker and William Picard
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - Beverly Troi, Deanna Laren and Ro Crusher
DOUBLES OPEN - Jean Luc Crusher & William Picard; Deanna Laren and Beverly Troi

SNOWBOARDING
PARALLEL GIANT SLALOM MEN - Qwijibo, Buster Butte, Francisco Rodriguez
PARALLEL GIANT SLALOM WOMEN - Ermine Johnson, Tyra Lopez, Jennifer Banks
HALFPIPE MEN - Dale Stewart, Matthew Earnhardt, Tony Kenseth
HALFPIPE WOMEN - Lydia Fox, Jenni Wolf, Sasha Boxer
SNOWBOARD CROSS MEN - Fernando Rodriguez, Alberto Ramierez
SNOWBOARD CROSS WOMEN - Maria Lopez-Sanchez, Erin O'Brien

Total Number of Athletes: 48 including the 18 on the Hockey Team...unless its lowered.

I've updated my list of number of athletes being sent... not that anyone cares. I think I might make some cuts sooner....

Anyhoo, enough with me.

I think the Delegations would be better placed in roster threads once a host is picked.

Indeed.
All those posting their athletes, knock yourselves out for all I care, nothing wrong with enthusiasm I guess, but do keep in mind that it doesn't really mean much in this thread. Once a host is chosen, there'll be a new sign up thread specifically for the Winter Olympics, with details about what information is needed.

OOC: Hey, is it not too late to sign up to participate in the NSOC and to also be part of the Olympic Council?

IC:

The Grand Empire of Magnus Valerius is still in a disarray after the death of a most beloved emperor. Even so, many athletes from across the Valerian Empire have practiced hard for the coming challenges in the Winter Olympics to take place. Many diverse athletes have come together, and upon the approval of the new Emperor Alexander III, are set on heading out to the games to compete for honor... and for medals, too. Even if the athletes would come home empty-handed, they still will be celebrated as heroes of their hometowns and of the Empire.

The Tsar, Alexander III, beamed as the group of athletes crowded around him and all of the officials on the Valerian Committee for The Olympic Games and Athletics. They congratulated each athlete individually on their hard work and great job in reaching the qualifications that Magnus Valerius demands of its competitors. The emperor was especially happy today, and maybe that is because his eldest son, Ivan, was to be one of the athletes in the games. Ivan was 18 years old, and he had made a name for himself in snowboarding. Hopefully, Ivan will make a scene at the Olympics and bring back a prized medal to his homeland, the tsar believed. Ivan himself was somewhat nervous, but he knew he had youth, and experience; he began snowboarding at the Imperial Alpine Resort up in the city of Zellburg when he was eleven, so he has had years of experience and fun at the various slopes in the mountains of Northern Magnus Valerius.

Many other athletes look promising as well. Jean de Bourbon and Esther Kim are the champions of speed skating in the nation. The women's curling team have also won some reknown, mainly because the members of the team are quite eligible to becoming the new sex symbols of Magnus Valerius; statistics from online polls show that Charlotte de Limoges is admired and pined for by a large percentage of the teenage male population. If her team doesn't win a medal... well, there's always room for her to become a model or a porn star...

The hockey team is gearing up for Magnus Valerius's all-time rival: Hayastan Kanaani. This nation to the northwest of the empire on a neighboring continent has been at odds in terms of hockey, or really any other team sport. If they get seeded together, it will be a mighty showdown between two empires and their rough and rowdy hockey teams.

BIATHLON - 6 athletes

7.5KM SPRINT WOMEN - 2; Tara Tuckman and Elena Kagorporsky
10KM SPRINT MEN - 1; Lionel deWitt
10KM PURSUIT WOMEN - 1; Ophelia Julius
12.5KM PURSUIT MEN - 1; Gustav Magnusson
12.5KM MASS WOMEN - 3; Tara Tuckman, Ophelia Julius, and Elena Kagoporsky
15KM MASS MEN - 3; Lionel deWitt, Ioann de Szeged, and Gustav Magnusson
15KM INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 1; Ophelia Julius
20KM INDIVIDUAL MEN - 1; Ioann de Szeged

BOBSLEIGH - 4 teams, 8 athletes

2 MAN MEN - 2 teams, 4 athletes: Konstantin de Choglokov & Nestor Kantakouzenos; Charles Warwick & Benjamin MacLeod
2 MAN WOMEN - 2 teams, 4 athletes; Beatrice Kholmogorivsky & Tanya Petrova; Lucy Feodorova and Nancy Myers
4 MAN MEN - 1 team: Konstanin de Choglokov, Nestor Kantakouzenos, Charles Warwick, and Benjamin MacLeod

SKELETON - 4 athletes

INDIVIDUAL MEN - 2 athletes: Adrian Feodorivich and Ferenc Mat'yagi
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 2 athletes: Elena Kuhara and Francesca Bobolina

CURLING - 2 teams, 8 athletes, 2 alternates

MEN - 1 Team, 4 Athletes, 1 Alternate: Feodor de Voronezh, Grigori Vassileev, Victor Riurikov, Tomasso de Medici and Vladimir Markov
WOMEN - 1 Team, 4 Athletes, 1 Alternate: Ivanna Shuisky, Priska Zalagerszeg, Charlotte de Limoges, Lois de Dinenlanthir and Maria Lund

ICE HOCKEY - 2 teams, 12 athletes, 24 alternates

MEN - 1 Team, 6 athletes: Nikolai Riumin, Boris Lugansk, Konstantin Orkutsky, Mikhail Produkin, Enver Metin, and Nikolaos Kyritsis (12 Alternates TBA)
WOMEN - 1 Team, 6 athletes: Paulina Rodina, Erika Totelben, Janice Kharkovsky, Livia Romanus-Vespacianus, Victoria Creveceur, and Joanna Nobunaga (12 Alternates TBA)

LUGE - 4 athletes

INDIVIDUAL MEN - 3 athletes: Frederick von Kustrinenburg, Theodoric Balheburg, and Sven Grigorevich
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 1 athlete: Ekaterina Vladivezh

FIGURE SKATING - 5 athletes

INDIVIDUAL MEN - 2 participants: Alexander Revalsky and Ioann Briansky
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 3 participants: Alexandra Godunov, Svetlana Revalsky, and Sara Paliologos
PAIRS MIXED - 2 pairs: Alexander Revalsky & Svetlana Revalsky and Ioann Briansky & Sara Paliologos

SPEED SKATING - 8 athletes

500M MEN - 4 athletes: Jean de Bourbon, Kenji Yoshimito, Petr Petrovich, and
Pavlos Demisthekles
500M WOMEN - 4 athletes: Esther Kim, Susan Fujiwara, Renee Savageur, and Anna Korogiannis
1KM MEN - 3 athletes: Jean de Bourbon, Petr Petrovich, and Pavlos Demisthekles
1KM WOMEN - 3 athletes: Esther Kim, Susan Fujiwara, and Anna Korogiannis
1.5KM MEN - 2 athletes: Jean de Bourbon and Petr Petrovich
1.5KM WOMEN - 2 athletes: Esther Kim and Anna Korogiannis
3KM WOMEN - 1 athlete: Esther Kim
5KM MEN - 1 athlete: Jean de Bourbon
10KM MEN - 1 athlete: Jean de Bourbon

SHORT TRACK - Same Athletes as Above...

500M MEN - 4 athletes: Jean de Bourbon, Kenji Yoshimito, Petr Petrovich, and
Pavlos Demisthekles
500M WOMEN - 4 athletes: Esther Kim, Susan Fujiwara, Renee Savageur, and Anna Korogiannis
1KM MEN - 3 athletes: Pavlos Demisthekles, Jean de Bourbon, and Kenji Yoshimoto
1KM WOMEN - 3 athletes: Susan Fujiwara, Renee Savageur, and Esther Kim
1.5KM MEN - 2 athletes: Kenji Yoshimoto and Pavlos Demisthekles
1.5KM WOMEN - 2 athlestes: Esther Kim and Anna Korogiannis

SKI JUMPING - 3 athletes

INDIVIDUAL NORMAL HILL MEN - 3 athletes: Markos Venizelos, Feodor Gorsky, and Pavel Dmitriev
INDIVIDUAL LARGE HILL MEN - 3 athletes: Markos Venizelos, Feodor Gorsky, and Pavel Dmitriev
TEAM LARGE HILL MEN - 1 team: Markos Venizelos, Feodor Gorsky, and Pavel Dmitriev

SNOWBOARDING - 6 athletes

PARALLEL GIANT SLALOM MEN - 3 athletes: Prince Ivan Alexandrovich Borivich, Matt Volyhnihz, and Hadrian Caracalla
PARALLEL GIANT SLALOM WOMEN - 3 athletes: Kristina Bezhushtin, Nina Paskevich, and Rebekah Zarapova
HALFPIPE MEN - 3 athletes: Prince Ivan Alexandrovich Borivich, Matt Volyhnihz, and Hadrian Caracalla
HALFPIPE WOMEN - 3 athletes: Kristina Bezhushtin, Nina Paskevich, and Rebekah Zarapova
SNOWBOARD CROSS MEN - 2 athletes: Prince Ivan Alexandrovich Borivich and Hadrian Caracalla
SNOWBOARD CROSS WOMEN - 2 athletes: Nina Paskevich and Rebekah Zarapova


TOTAL EVENTS: 47 events
TOTAL ATHLETES: A delegation of 86 athletes (including those on teams and alternatives), with 60 starters and 26 alternatives

Indeed.
All those posting their athletes, knock yourselves out for all I care, nothing wrong with enthusiasm I guess, but do keep in mind that it doesn't really mean much in this thread. Once a host is chosen, there'll be a new sign up thread specifically for the Winter Olympics, with details about what information is needed.

Couldn't have said it better. Plus, the number of enterants/athletes/dogs/hamsters is probably going to be something set individually by each host (Or should be, at any rate) along with scorination methods and RP bonuses and national bonuses and required names and all that other stuff that we've firmly declared what we want to see.

I'm also noticing a certain trend in the rosters we've seen so far, and that's the same athlete being in many different events. Looking at Ariddia's, Jean-Michel Chang is in 8 events, from 500m to 10km, at 2 different venues. The trend is somewhat common to a lot of rosters we've seen so far. Even if he could decide to take part in all those events, the odds of there being a scheduling conflict somewhere in there has to be considered. Then, the type of training it takes to skate the 500m and the 10km are vastly different as well. I can understand realism being used as an argument in naming all the athletes, but shouldn't realism matter in these situations as well?

Couldn't have said it better. Plus, the number of enterants/athletes/dogs/hamsters is probably going to be something set individually by each host (Or should be, at any rate) along with scorination methods and RP bonuses and national bonuses and required names and all that other stuff that we've firmly declared what we want to see.

I'm also noticing a certain trend in the rosters we've seen so far, and that's the same athlete being in many different events. Looking at Ariddia's, Jean-Michel Chang is in 8 events, from 500m to 10km, at 2 different venues. The trend is somewhat common to a lot of rosters we've seen so far. Even if he could decide to take part in all those events, the odds of there being a scheduling conflict somewhere in there has to be considered. Then, the type of training it takes to skate the 500m and the 10km are vastly different as well. I can understand realism being used as an argument in naming all the athletes, but shouldn't realism matter in these situations as well?
I agree with you that this trend is unrealistic, but I think that we shouldn't enforce the matter. My main problem with the nameless athletes was that it takes away the possibility of realism on the part of the participants. Having one athlete in too many events may be unrealistic, but that unrealism is something chosen by the individual participants. At the same time, I think we should definately encourage realism. Now, if there are scheduling conflicts, it is only reasonable to ask that the poster choose between the conflicting events. That is a different matter entirely. All in all, I say we should advise participants in the name of realism not to put one athlete in very many different events, but we shouldn't put any limits on how many events an athlete may compete other than those limits created by scheduling conflicts.

I'm also noticing a certain trend in the rosters we've seen so far, and that's the same athlete being in many different events. Looking at Ariddia's, Jean-Michel Chang is in 8 events, from 500m to 10km, at 2 different venues. The trend is somewhat common to a lot of rosters we've seen so far. Even if he could decide to take part in all those events, the odds of there being a scheduling conflict somewhere in there has to be considered. Then, the type of training it takes to skate the 500m and the 10km are vastly different as well. I can understand realism being used as an argument in naming all the athletes, but shouldn't realism matter in these situations as well?

True. It happens often for athletes to compete in many events in the real Olympics, though, and I felt it more realistic to field the same athlete in several events rather than field a greater number of athletes.

If there's a conflict in schedule, he'll withdraw from certain events, obviously.

Wow, people really do need to actually read this thread rather than just the last couple of posts. This is not an Olympic Games Athlete Sign-up Thread!

As for one athlete entering multiple events, as long as its realistic, it shouldn't matter. Having someone do the (summer) 100m and the 5k shortly followed by the marathon walk and the decathlon would just be ridiculous. Just keep it sensible and there'll be no problems.

Plus, the number of enterants/athletes/dogs/hamsters is probably going to be something set individually by each host (Or should be, at any rate)
I disagree. The number and limit of athletes per country should not be the decision of the Host, but rather decided by the NSOC. Otherwise, what is there stopping the host country from demanding that only one athlete per country be sent? It would make for a miserable Olympics for everybody else, but I'm sure that the Host country would see it as having less work to do.

I disagree. The number and limit of athletes per country should not be the decision of the Host, but rather decided by the NSOC.

But its the host's scorinator, not the NSOC's. Everyone will be coding within their own ability. See the current World Cup 27 Hosting bids. Bedistan/Fmjphoenix can handle any number of entrants as long as it divides into 5, 7, 10, 12, etc. Archregimancy/NMS's bid relies on a specific number of entrants (102 including hosts). That's just down to their differing scorinators and I'm sure it'll be the same with Olympics.

I disagree. The number and limit of athletes per country should not be the decision of the Host, but rather decided by the NSOC. Otherwise, what is there stopping the host country from demanding that only one athlete per country be sent? It would make for a miserable Olympics for everybody else, but I'm sure that the Host country would see it as having less work to do.
Aspects such as the limit to the number of athletes per nation would be decided by the potential host nations before they are selected. That means that the NSOC could avoid that situation by simply not selecting hosts that put the limit too low. At the same time, this gives some hosts the opportunity to choose the scope of the games that they will be hosting, so that potential hosts such as Casari can host a larger games while other potential hosts would host a smaller games.

The United Socialist States of Timmikistan is asking for the olympics to incorporate pratical sporting endevours that are beneficial to a nations well being and economy. events should be composed of games such as 'quickest person to harvest an acre of corn,' or 'finding a needle in a haystack.' just a suggestion but more practical than the Triple Jump. if there is any intrest in the Socialist Games then i will set one up.

Just pondering, instead of voting of host cities one by one with an individual vote for each round, as done IRL, will a method such as STV (where voters list who they are voting for in order of preference) be used?

EDIT: Timmikistan would have loved Druida when it was more than just a shadow of its former self. We'd have made a sport out of anything!

So, we like to force realism in some areas, but not in others?

All these things have to be the decision of the host. They're the ones putting forth all the effort in the endeavor, and they should organize how they see fit. If you don't like the way they organize it, hey, that's why we're voting, apparently.

I agree that rosters have no place in this thread. But it has given some insight into things.

The suggested 160 athlete number is something I dont agree with. Just to see what a "roster" would look like, I made mine last night.

I used people for more than one event, but based that on the same crossoves the RL Olympics use. In other words, I was very careful about athletes competing too often. 4 or 5 events can be acceptable. You see it in RL Alpine Skiing, Speed Skating, etc.

To get my number under 160, I had to either cut people from slots in events where you could send 3 or 4, or drop a hockey team. The first option only serves to make more events for the people you have. Relays need the people to run them. And Dropping my men's hockey team wasnt too appealing either.

I agree it should ultimately be up to the host (and those helping scorinate), but I would like to be able to fill all the slots and leave nothing blank.

What's the full argument against being able to fill all of the slots anyway? While Realism might be interesting, it has to be put on the side burner for the sake of fun. I still think an IC-penalty or bonus would be better based on the nomber of events you have filled up. I'd like to see more options for people to RP with.

I can see your point. It would make things more interesting if people had to pick and choose. I just have an overly competitive mentality :p

What's the full argument against being able to fill all of the slots anyway? While Realism might be interesting, it has to be put on the side burner for the sake of fun. I still think an IC-penalty or bonus would be better based on the nomber of events you have filled up. I'd like to see more options for people to RP with.

You can have a small perfectly-arranged Olympic squads of athletes from one nation that's perfectly true to their national character and cuture, then next you have someone who sends a full team just so they can get more medals. Becomes irritating, from my point-of-view, at least.

Just send as many athletes as you can be bothered to name, there shouldn't be any real limit other than the number of athletes allowed per-event.

Let me say that I agree with penalties for nations who send full teams. I do not want to do that in order to win more medals. I rather look forward to RPing the complete ineptitude of a lot of my guys/girls in events where we would have no real shot. The WC has taught me the hard lesson of learning to RP the bottom view, and it can be even more fun that RP concerning victories. RP is what its about. Not winning medals for me.

With the number of nations wishing to participate(and that is a great thing) Medals will be hard to come by.

I want to RP my Cross Country Skiier coming in dead last, half dead, with wild rabbit bite marks on his backside :p

Here's a plan - give each nation a number of points to distribute amongst their athletes, say ten per athlete, then give them a rating out of 20. Plus also limit the number of very highly ranked athletes a nation can have, say only 5% can be rated 18+.

I dunno, just a suggestion, but if I put a bid forward for the Games of the Second Olympiad, I know that I will try to integrate such a scheme, maybe with more points for those who had done better before, in a kind of rankings system.

Sonoma City, BDS
Tyrellia, CAS
Orean, LEN
Budapest, HUN
Timiocato, PAC
Leetreal, QUB
Nemnenait, SAP
Timiocato, PAC
Tampa, SCF
Moravia, MRV
City TBC, HBH (prospective)
Kazoo City/Untitled, KZO (prospective, joint with Qutar)
(emphasis added)
The Capitalizt Olympic Committee demands that only one bid per city be allowed for each Olympics, if not one bid per country. :p

Here's a plan - give each nation a number of points to distribute amongst their athletes, say ten per athlete, then give them a rating out of 20. Plus also limit the number of very highly ranked athletes a nation can have, say only 5% can be rated 18+.

I dunno, just a suggestion, but if I put a bid forward for the Games of the Second Olympiad, I know that I will try to integrate such a scheme, maybe with more points for those who had done better before, in a kind of rankings system.
I now see the problem with allowing nations to send as many athletes as they want. Some nations will simply send an athlete in every sport just to have a better chance of winning a medal, while posters who create more realistic Olympic delegations will be essentially penalized by having a lower chance at winning a medal. Allowing unrealism is one thing. It becomes an entirely different matter, however, when one participant's unrealism effects the ability of other participants to play realistically. Here is my proposal for solving this problem:
How about we give each nation a number of total points that is independant of the number of athletes that that nation sends to the NS Olympics. A player could assign his rating points as she/he sees fit. (There should probably be some sort of limit to the percentage of points a player can assign to a single athlete.) She/he can send as many athletes as she/he desires but sending too many athletes would hurt her/his chances of winning a medal. Over time, after having competed in several Olympic Games, a player would get more total points. This would take away the incentive to make unrealistically large Olympic teams, while at the same time providing a system through which nations can specialize in National Sports.

I know I've mentioned IC penalties for athletes in big delegations several times in order to even out the playing field. There's many ways to do a point/talent system instead of a hard cap, and each bid will probably have a different one. Which brings it all back to scorination differences. :p Then again, once we hold one, we'll have a much better idea of what works exactly and what doesn't.

When am I gonna be added to the list? :p

The Monastic Olympic Committee of the Archregimancy wishes to apologise for its recent lack of contact with other Olympic nations - preparing for Great Lent has been keeping our monks busy

Rest assured that we have been carefully studying the bids to host the winter olympics, and will make our vote according to the best interests of the Olympic movement.



OOC: in RL I've been working in the Australian Bush for the last 6 days with no net connection. I like the way things have been progressing so far, and Krytenia's event and competitor list is an excellent resource. I also like the concept behind Schiavonia and An Archy's suggestion of some sort of rating point system.

I'm searching for an archery scorinator. Casari, didn't you say that you had one? I'd like to have a copy as I begin to develop the host bid for the summer olympics.

I do, but it's currently on my laptop which I have no Converter for at the moment. I'll be able to get it to you by the end of the week though, if time isn't a factor.

Here is my proposal for solving this problem:

How about we give each nation a number of total points that is independant of the number of athletes that that nation sends to the NS Olympics. A player could assign his rating points as she/he sees fit. (There should probably be some sort of limit to the percentage of points a player can assign to a single athlete.) She/he can send as many athletes as she/he desires but sending too many athletes would hurt her/his chances of winning a medal. Over time, after having competed in several Olympic Games, a player would get more total points. This would take away the incentive to make unrealistically large Olympic teams, while at the same time providing a system through which nations can specialize in National Sports.

I think a point cap per nation and a cap per individual sounds fair. I would even say that players can submit athletes beyond the cap and/or points beyond the cap, but if *discovered* the athletes will be "discovered" to have doped and disqualified *after* being scored.

This would give nations a chance to cheat and archivists / press corps something to write about.

Only scorinators / hosts (i.e. people running the games) can officially call somebody out for "doping", though the rest of our nations can fling insults if we wish to go that way about it.


Then when the next similar sport roles around, nations and athletes that medal can be given bonus points that they can spend on their individual(s) or that particular event that go above the nation / individual caps (thus making future scoring harder, but more interesting).

Example: A Romanian Gold Medal women's gymnastics this summer, would "inspire" young girls, giving Romania *3* bonus points in the all around next summer to apply to 1 - 3 girls. While the Russia Bronzo would give them a single bonus point.

In time we'd have powerhouses, but that isn't a bad thing either. With the sheer number of athletes / nations we'd have, the law of averages should still bring the chances of back-to-back awards low in popular events *and* the bonus system would encourage continuity.

Let's say that by freak chance the nation of Jamicia won women's soccer, thus they might enter it again (and maybe bring that team into other NS sporting events too -- without the bonus for those other games).

I think a point cap per nation and a cap per individual sounds fair. I would even say that players can submit athletes beyond the cap and/or points beyond the cap, but if *discovered* the athletes will be "discovered" to have doped and disqualified *after* being scored.

This would give nations a chance to cheat and archivists / press corps something to write about.

Only scorinators / hosts (i.e. people running the games) can officially call somebody out for "doping", though the rest of our nations can fling insults if we wish to go that way about it.


Then when the next similar sport roles around, nations and athletes that medal can be given bonus points that they can spend on their individual(s) or that particular event that go above the nation / individual caps (thus making future scoring harder, but more interesting).

Example: A Romanian Gold Medal women's gymnastics this summer, would "inspire" young girls, giving Romania *3* bonus points in the all around next summer to apply to 1 - 3 girls. While the Russia Bronzo would give them a single bonus point.

In time we'd have powerhouses, but that isn't a bad thing either. With the sheer number of athletes / nations we'd have, the law of averages should still bring the chances of back-to-back awards low in popular events *and* the bonus system would encourage continuity.

Let's say that by freak chance the nation of Jamicia won women's soccer, thus they might enter it again (and maybe bring that team into other NS sporting events too -- without the bonus for those other games).
Sounds good.

Now that is an idea I can live with. Only question is whether the scorinators will handle it.

the points cap and athlete cap seem to both possibly work. if the NSOC Higher Council would put it up to vote....

Here's the possiblities as i see it.

1st--every one can send as many athletes as they want for as many events as they want.

2nd-- Limiting the total number of athletes per event.

3rd--Limiting the total number of athletes per country.

4th--A penalty for those who try to 'swamp' an event with many athletes from the same country.

5th-- rewarding countries who win medals by giving them an RP bonus or most points to spend on their athletes in the next olympiad.

and Mikitivity's idea of a cap for both countries and athletes sounds very good.

Crna Gora Liv Eng (my new UN puppet), which has a status equivalent to RL Hong Kong China (seperate Olympic and football teams, otherwise incorporated), will provisionally send a team of 14 participants to the Winter Games, so just for posterity, Crna Gora Liv Eng (Olympic TLA: CNG) signing up.

No vote. This should all be in the realm of things determined by hosts. Brainstorming is a good thing, but in the end, it should be up to them. They do the work.

No vote. This should all be in the realm of things determined by hosts. Brainstorming is a good thing, but in the end, it should be up to them. They do the work.
I think it has become quite clear that one of the major issues that we must face is the matter of which things should be decided by the host and which things should be decided by the Olympic Council as a whole. The question is this:
What things do we want to remain consistant regardless of who hosts the games?
Here is a list of things that I think should remain consistant from one games to the next as well as the reason I think each of them should remain consistant.

1. That certain sports should be a manditory part of every Olympics. Reason: It is simply not the Olympics without certain sports such as the marathon and the All Around Gymnastics Competition

2. That participants may be permitted to assign IC names to each of their athletes. Reason: Although it might make scorination easier, it is not right to let a host force participants to use blatantly unrealistic names such as Liverpool England # 21 in order to achieve such easiness in scorination.

3. That there be some limiting factor to the number of athletes that a nation may send to the Olympics. (The particular limiting factor can be determined by the host nation.) Reason: It would be absolutely unfair to allow participants to send an unrealistic number of athletes to the Olympic Games in order to increase their chances of winning a medal while decreasing the chances that participants who send realistically sized delegations will win a medal.

4. That any bonus awarded for number of RP posts, number of Olympics participated in, or success in previous Olympics should remain consistant from one Olympiad to the next. Reason: If we do not make these bonuses consistant from one Olympiad to the next, then participants will be unable to form a long term strategy to achieve success in their desired sports.


Those are the only ones I can think of at the moment. Anyway, whether or not you agree with me about which things should remain consistant from one Olympiad to the next, I think that everyone can agree that it is vital to the success of the NSOC that we formalize our policy on which things should be decided by the host and which things should be manditory for all hosts.

I think it has become quite clear that one of the major issues that we must face is the matter of which things should be decided by the host and which things should be decided by the Olympic Council as a whole.

So An Archy wants rules? Hmmm. :p

Well, sure, I guess, if we must. :)
However, without commenting on specific points, I'd say: keep it simple. Some basic rules, sure, but nothing too restrictive.
Also, even more importantly: let's, pretty please with a cherry on top, not get into the whole rule-proposing and -voting shabang before the first Olympics. Suggest, debate, discuss, by all means - all good stuff. If nothing else, it keeps this thread alive and anticipation growing, which'll make it harder for the first host to throw in the towel. ;) So keep things coming, I don't mind at all. But let's hold off on voting for Proposition 999-stuff until, at least, after the first Winter Olympics, maybe even after the first Summer Olympics. The important part is to get that far. So let's give the first hosts the freedom they need to even pull it off in the first place, and trust them to uphold the "Olympic spirit". In the mean time, that'll give us the time and experience to see what works and what needs to be put firmly on paper.

I agree completely with that assessment. I said before we can work things out as we go. The important thing is to get it up and running before we begin to lose interest and it all falls flat.

There is one point of An archy's I do agree with as well though.
4. That any bonus awarded for number of RP posts, number of Olympics participated in, or success in previous Olympics should remain consistant from one Olympiad to the next. Reason: If we do not make these bonuses consistant from one Olympiad to the next, then participants will be unable to form a long term strategy to achieve success in their desired sports.


Any modifiers will have to be kept up with and recorded. That way, as those bonuses (or penalties) build up we can monitor them and make sure they are correct. I do like the idea of RP concerning stripping medals after scorination from nations found to be in violation of the rules. I believe that was Mikitivity's idea.

So An Archy wants rules? Hmmm. :p

Well, sure, I guess, if we must. :)
However, without commenting on specific points, I'd say: keep it simple. Some basic rules, sure, but nothing too restrictive.
Also, even more importantly: let's, pretty please with a cherry on top, not get into the whole rule-proposing and -voting shabang before the first Olympics. Suggest, debate, discuss, by all means - all good stuff. If nothing else, it keeps this thread alive and anticipation growing, which'll make it harder for the first host to throw in the towel. ;) So keep things coming, I don't mind at all. But let's hold off on voting for Proposition 999-stuff until, at least, after the first Winter Olympics, maybe even after the first Summer Olympics. The important part is to get that far. So let's give the first hosts the freedom they need to even pull it off in the first place, and trust them to uphold the "Olympic spirit". In the mean time, that'll give us the time and experience to see what works and what needs to be put firmly on paper.
I agree. The first hosts have the most difficult job ahead of them. I say we should give them the freedom to do whatever they want as far as scorination , RP bonuses, roster restrictions etc. In the end, that will only help us to make a more informed decision about which aspects of the NS Olympics we should make manditory for all hosts. So, if we're going to be letting the first hosts do whatever they want without restrictions then why don't we start voting for who those hosts should be?

So, if we're going to be letting the first hosts do whatever they want without restrictions then why don't we start voting for who those hosts should be?

Should be soon. Us upper council bigwigs are currently voting to narrow the applicants down to 3. I believe that ends tomorrow.

About this part:
4. That any bonus awarded for number of RP posts, number of Olympics participated in, or success in previous Olympics should remain consistant from one Olympiad to the next. Reason: If we do not make these bonuses consistant from one Olympiad to the next, then participants will be unable to form a long term strategy to achieve success in their desired sports.

I don't totally agree with making RP-bonuses consistant. It's one of those things that depend on the host and how his scorinator works.
What I think you're getting at, though, is some sort of ranking system, which I have no problem with in principle. But, the simpler the better, and that's gonna be the tricky part, since we're dealing with 587 different sports.
Preferably, I wouldn't go much more complicated than x Gold + y Silver + z Bronze medals = some sort of ranking number, or something. I realize some nations may want to profile themselves as excelling in certain sports, but keeping seperate ranks for every sport will get a bit complicated.

And on that note, the Schiavone government would like to confirm that they have, indeed, changed their minds, and they would like to see Kingsbury, Schiavonia added to the list of potential host nations. However, as they are a fair old distance behind the other leading hosting bids in terms of work done, the committee that they are putting together the bid know they have a lot of work to do.

Count The Nation of B.P.B in.

Boswern will be in. I could host the games though if one of the spectators causes crime, :sniper: . We are a very safe and our military is huge.

Hangup would be very happy to join the NSOC, although in our present (unstable) political climate, we don't feel that the People's Republic of Hangup would be a suitable place to hold an Olympic games at this time. We have a crime problem in the country, and feel that we do not want to risk the health and wellbeing of other competitors entering our country.

We have an operational team wishing to participate in a games, and would be happy to take part.

President Tu-Hung Hi,
P.R Hangup

The rather lovely (as created on NS paint) bid logo...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/olympicapply.png (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10479831#post10479831)

The bid will use an excel spreadsheet scorinator, with fewer weight categories in sports like weightlifting and judo.

Thankyouplease.

Preferably, I wouldn't go much more complicated than x Gold + y Silver + z Bronze medals = some sort of ranking number, or something.

Well, the way it's done in real life is even simpler. You rank nations by their number of gold medals, then the number of silver and bronze is taken into account as tie-breaker. Say nation A has 0 gold, 4 silver, 1 bronze, nation B has 2 gold, 1 silver, 5 bronze, nation C has 2 gold, 2 silver, 0 bronze, and nation D has 0 gold, 1 silver, 0 bronze.

B & C both have 2 gold, so are ranked ahead of A & D, which have none. B has 8 medals overall, against C's 4 medals, but C has more silver than B, so C is ranked 1st, and B 2nd. After that, while A and D both have 0 gold, A has more silver medals than D, so A is third, and D is fourth. If A and D had the same number of silvers, bronze would be used as the tie-breaker.

It's remarkably simple. I suggest we use it.

Incidentally, you may all want to add your nation's three-letter sports' code here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/TLD#International_sports_codes_.28by_codes.29) (and here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/TLD#International_sports_codes)), for reference purposes.

The Olympics will need an NS wiki article too. ;) I don't mind doing it (unless the host, or someone else, really wants to), but I'll see to it at some point after the host city has been decided.

Well, the way it's done in real life is even simpler. You rank nations by their number of gold medals, then the number of silver and bronze is taken into account as tie-breaker. Say nation A has 0 gold, 4 silver, 1 bronze, nation B has 2 gold, 1 silver, 5 bronze, nation C has 2 gold, 2 silver, 0 bronze, and nation D has 0 gold, 1 silver, 0 bronze.

B & C both have 2 gold, so are ranked ahead of A & D, which have none. B has 8 medals overall, against C's 4 medals, but C has more silver than B, so C is ranked 1st, and B 2nd. After that, while A and D both have 0 gold, A has more silver medals than D, so A is third, and D is fourth. If A and D had the same number of silvers, bronze would be used as the tie-breaker.

It's remarkably simple. I suggest we use it.
Actually I think your way is less simple because it is impossible to write a single algebraic expression to describe your ranking system. Also, it only ranks nations ordinally. We need cardinal rankings. (Although, it would be possible to create a cardinal ranking out of an ordinal ranking. But that would add to the complexity even more.)

Should be soon. Us upper council bigwigs are currently voting to narrow the applicants down to 3. I believe that ends tomorrow.

About this part:


I don't totally agree with making RP-bonuses consistant. It's one of those things that depend on the host and how his scorinator works.
What I think you're getting at, though, is some sort of ranking system, which I have no problem with in principle. But, the simpler the better, and that's gonna be the tricky part, since we're dealing with 587 different sports.
Preferably, I wouldn't go much more complicated than x Gold + y Silver + z Bronze medals = some sort of ranking number, or something. I realize some nations may want to profile themselves as excelling in certain sports, but keeping seperate ranks for every sport will get a bit complicated.
I prefer your ranking system. 3G+2S+B=R

Imperial Aaronia would like to sign up for the games, I.A.A

The State is in a relative state of peace and can offer a city for the Winter games.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5572/13fs.gif

A view of the city: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/hebamd6husnuemre/Ankara%20Kanal%20Sehri/18.jpg

As for a cap on athletes, how about a formula based on population? Assign a "population assessment" time where each participating nation is assessed their population. Divide by 10 or more million. Example:

Nation A has 5 million people. Divide by 10 million people. 0.5 athlete, rounded up to 1 athlete.

Nation B has 400 million people. Divide by 10 million people. 40 athletes.

Nation C has 1.200 billion peole. Perhaps a higher divisior for populations over a billion? Divide by 20 million people. 60 athletes.

Nation D has 4.000 billion people. Divide by 20 million people. 200 athletes.

I don't know, these numbers aren't set -- they're just here for general use for any prospective hosts who want to employ such a system.

As for a cap on athletes, how about a formula based on population? Assign a "population assessment" time where each participating nation is assessed their population. Divide by 10 or more million. Example:

Nation A has 5 million people. Divide by 10 million people. 0.5 athlete, rounded up to 1 athlete.

Nation B has 400 million people. Divide by 10 million people. 40 athletes.

Nation C has 1.200 billion peole. Perhaps a higher divisior for populations over a billion? Divide by 20 million people. 60 athletes.

Nation D has 4.000 billion people. Divide by 20 million people. 200 athletes.

I don't know, these numbers aren't set -- they're just here for general use for any prospective hosts who want to employ such a system.
From all of my limited experience in NS Sports, I believe that any consideration of population would be a very very unpopular idea. Most of the times I have seen this idea brought up, a vast majority dissaproved. For my part, I do not support this "population assessment." I think it discourages relatively young nations from participating.

The Olympics will need an NS wiki article too. ;) I don't mind doing it (unless the host, or someone else, really wants to), but I'll see to it at some point after the host city has been decided.

Actually there should be a series of articles. First there should be an article about the organizers and basic rules. Second there should be an article for the specific games / host. Finally there should be an index of all the NS Olympics ...

The UN Timeline is a great example of what we can do for a list of NS Olympics, though Wikipedia might have an even more appropriate list article.

I think we should get those articles started after a host has been choosen, but prior to the start of the games.

Could we have the original post updated with links to the host city bids so we don't have to dig through the thread?

From all of my limited experience in NS Sports, I believe that any consideration of population would be a very very unpopular idea. Most of the times I have seen this idea brought up, a vast majority dissaproved. For my part, I do not support this "population assessment." I think it discourages relatively young nations from participating.

I agree.

In any case, I have a feeling that anyone who wants to do some detailed roleplaying is going to limit the number of athletes they submit anyway. I'm already planning to limit my monks to cross-country skiing, ski jumping, luge, curling and, erm, a single competitor in the men's figure skating (in full Orthodox monastic robes skating to a troparion of his namesake saint).

For those looking for Krytenia's list of winter olympic bids going through to the candidacy stage (which was originally on page 18 of this thread), it reads as follows:

Bloco'yce City, RPN
Dasha-Leninstag, SAP
Marshalliston, OLI
Stadt Nicht, LEN
Revena, OCM
Aeropag, COM
Moravia, MRV
Ungava, DOM

I'm at work right now, so forgive me if I don't take the time to include the links

Yeah, I don't think a population based system will be too popular. It puts a strong bias against people just starting out, who we should be embracing and trying to get into the flow of RPing and now it all works.

Me=Not Thinking

Anyhoo, I understand that population is a dumb thing to do. Don't know what I was thinking when I mentioned it. I realize that populations are very dynamic, and such a count would be insensible. I guess I should read what I am thinking and writing before I post :rolleyes: :p

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10474994&postcount=345

Thanks for reconizing my bid.

a single competitor in the men's figure skating (in full Orthodox monastic robes skating to a troparion of his namesake saint).


In Ice Dancing (and I'm guessing men's figure skating as well) there are several RL IOC rules on wardrobes:

1) No Nudity,
2) Men Must Wear Pants,
3) Navels Must Not Be Seen.

Crazy of course, and the Ice Dancers pretty much wore pants and/or covered their bellies and little else.

In any event, you stating that your nation's competitors will be wearing robes, raises a question about gear / wardrobes ... the host nations should have some discretion I believe in this matter.

I do understand the RL rules for figure skating would not allow a man to skate in full monastic robes. However in this case, I personally feel that an exception should be made. It's not like he wants to skate nude or anything. Besides, I want to see how the judges score the footwork requirements when the cant even see them. It makes for some great RP.

On another note as to the rules for dress. Women have just been awarded the right in RL Olympic figure skating to wear pants. That means that it now becomes dicriminatory to tell men they cant wear a dress (or robes in this case). Equal rights.

Why, even us schismatic Catholics would be willing to allow our friends from the Reg to wear full monastic robes. They would be very distinctive. :p

I think that we should really adopt RL Olympic standards to keep things from getting too crazy, *but* that our Olympic Council should always accept petitions for exceptions to certain rules ... and in this case a figure skater in a robe is physically at a handicap, therefore it would make sense that the Council would very likely say, "Sounds fine to us!" :)

The Olympics have always been discriminatory ... for a number of reasons, but the perfect Winter Olympics example is Ski Jumping (Men only). In time that will change.

That said, I think we should *start* with RL Olympic standards, but as countries contest those standards in our Olympic games, we can slowly rewrite the rules. I have no objection to our games taking a course. :)

The Olympics have always been discriminatory ... for a number of reasons, but the perfect Winter Olympics example is Ski Jumping (Men only). In time that will change.


Don't forget it works the other way as well. In the summer games, 2 events (sport is an aweful strong word for them), Rythnic Gymnastics and Synchronized Swimming, do exist.

I think that we should really adopt RL Olympic standards to keep things from getting too crazy, *but* that our Olympic Council should always accept petitions for exceptions to certain rules ... and in this case a figure skater in a robe is physically at a handicap, therefore it would make sense that the Council would very likely say, "Sounds fine to us!" :)


I agree. Rules are needed, but they shouldn't get in the way of a bit of harmless fun.

(I'd love to see Archregimancy athletes competing in monastic robes in Summer Olympics events such as long jump, or swimming, or diving... Or hurdles, if those are an Olympic event?)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10474994&postcount=345

Thanks for reconizing my bid.
What bid? You haven’t even given a name for your city, let alone mentioned venues, scorinators, et cetera. :p

And with all seven votes in, the Candidacy Vote is now closed for the Ist Winter Games. The official votes were:

Aeropag (COM): 6
Bloco'yce City (RPN): 6
Ungava (DOM): 2
Marshalliston (OLI): 2
All Others: 0

Stade Nicht (LEN) got two nominations before withdrawing their application; these votes were voided. One member voted to abstain.

All four of the cities mentioned above are now official Candidate Cities: They have ONE WEEK to finalise their bids before final voting opens on Thursday March 2nd.

To: The NSOC
From: The Allied States of Tillia
Date: 23 02 2006
Re: The Olympic Games

Your Excellency:

The Allied States of Tillia is most intrigued with this endeavor. Please consider this official notification of our desire to join this Committee. We are too small a nation to host such an Olympic Games, but in the future, we will be honored to host an olympiad.

In the meantime, we will conduct an extensive survey of our nation to determine what cities will be suitable for a winter or summer games.

Thank you.

Sincerely Yours,

Thomas R. Kirkpatrick
Chair, Olympic Organising Committee
The Allied States of Tillia

Now that voting is going to begin in a week, we need to start seriously debating what we are looking for in a candidate city. I know that I want to be able to make the most informed descision possible when I vote for the first host of the NS Olympic Winter Games. So, aside from the obvious factors (such as whether the candidate can be counted on to reliably scorinate the events), what things should we be considering? I think one of the things we've overlooked is the IC aspect. Clearly, the OOC aspect is much more vital to the success of the NS Olympics, but we should also remember that the IC aspect of a candidate's bid will provide us with the backdrop for every RP we write. If a candidate provides no details of venues and other such IC matters, then it will be impossible for us to write RPs that include that information. So, I think that we should take into consideration the level of detail that a candidate puts into her/his IC bid. What other factors might we have overlooked in considering potential host cities?

I've created this Winter Olympiad I template for the NS wiki (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Winter_Olympiad_I). It's only a basis for further articles, of course. In true wiki fashion, feel free to edit it mercilessly at will. ;)

I've based it in part on the real Wikipedia's Olympic articles.

An archy, I agree with the points you make, although ultimately each voter will have to decide how important he/she considers IC information to be. Still, it's something for prospective hosts to bear in mind.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10474994&postcount=345

Thanks for reconizing my bid.

Yeah, and thanks for not recognising my bid! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10472390&postcount=339) :p

I've created this Winter Olympiad I template for the NS wiki (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Winter_Olympiad_I). It's only a basis for further articles, of course. In true wiki fashion, feel free to edit it mercilessly at will. ;)

I've based it in part on the real Wikipedia's Olympic articles.

Sorry, Arry, but that is absolutely horrible. Dictating 'Andossa_Se_Mitrin_Vega_at_the_First_Winter_Olympics', for instance, as everyone else's wiki article titles is a crock of crap, and that template will end up being bigger than most articles if everyone's teams, committees and such are all added into it. My merciless edit would be to almost completely re-do it.

Sorry, Arry, but that is absolutely horrible. Dictating 'Andossa_Se_Mitrin_Vega_at_the_First_Winter_Olympics', for instance, as everyone else's wiki article titles is a crock of crap, and that template will end up being bigger than most articles if everyone's teams, committees and such are all added into it. My merciless edit would be to almost completely re-do it.

Well, feel free. Having each participating nation linked from it, with a page with that (long) title, wasn't my idea; I lifted it straight from the real Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_at_the_2006_Winter_Olympics). Take it up with them. ;)

Perhaps we can knock the Council links out, though. As you like.

*goes off on a crusade to stop annoying wiki article titles and templates*

:D

The nation of the Jedi Revan would like to participate in the Olympics. However, we will not put in a bid to host it this time.

Indeed, at Wiki it's [[<Nation> at the <Games>]] - it's that way for Summer Olympiads, Winter Olympiads, even Commonwealth and Asian Games.

OOC: One thing I'll be basing my Winter Games host city bid on will be the scorination. While I gave a lot of weight in my first round vote to well-thought-out IC bids with excellent RP opportunities, I'd like to see some sort of OOC mention in the bid as to the scorinating mechanics just to show that they have given some thought to this. If candidate cities have not so far addressed scorination, could they please do so in their finalised bid so as to make sure the voting nations can make an appropriately informed decision.

-----------------------------------------------------

IC.....

PRESS RELEASE

FROM: The Monastic Olympic Committee
TO: The Various Media Organisations of Ordinary Physical Reality

It has recently come to the attention of the Monastic Olympic Committee that some nations planning on participating in the forthcoming NS Winter Olympics have raised doubts as to the legality of the use of full monastic robes in men's figure-skating. Fr. Vasily of the Frozen Lakes wishes us to express his disappointment that the heathens, heretics, atheists, freemasons, communists, and excelites of ordinary physical reality would be willing to discriminate against him on the basis of his deeply-held religious beliefs.

The Monastic Olympic Committee, on the other hand, would like to take this opportunity to remind candidate cities that the MOC is one of only 7 nations with a vote on deciding just who the next city is. The MOC would therefore like to make it clear that any candidate city that explicitly states that it would ban Archregimancy athletes from wearing their monastic robes during competition is unlikely to receive the vote of the MOC. Any nation that explicitly states that it would permit Archregimancy athletes to wear their robes will be looked upon most favourably, though we are at pains to make it clear that this will not be the only factor influencing our final decision.

Yours in Christ,

The Monastic Olympic Committee of the Archregimancy

I've created this Winter Olympiad I template for the NS wiki (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Winter_Olympiad_I). It's only a basis for further articles, of course. In true wiki fashion, feel free to edit it mercilessly at will. ;)

I've based it in part on the real Wikipedia's Olympic articles.

An archy, I agree with the points you make, although ultimately each voter will have to decide how important he/she considers IC information to be. Still, it's something for prospective hosts to bear in mind.

It looks great, and I'll work with my regional members to get our nations added to the list. Quick question: should we create the stub for the Winter Olympiad I and also make a brief link to the RL Wikipedia Olymic Games articles ... since players will likely be tempted to base some of their nations off of other RL nations / people, the links might streamline things. :)

Well, feel free. Having each participating nation linked from it, with a page with that (long) title, wasn't my idea; I lifted it straight from the real Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_at_the_2006_Winter_Olympics). Take it up with them. ;)

Perhaps we can knock the Council links out, though. As you like.

I like it because it follows RL ... here is my compromise to cut down some of the nations ... focus on regions, and in the regional entry include the nations from that region.

Thoughts?

I like it because it follows RL ... here is my compromise to cut down some of the nations ... focus on regions, and in the regional entry include the nations from that region.

Thoughts?
I don't think that will help as much as you might hope. Remember, many of the nations on NS are in regions of only one or two nations. I think that we ought to let participants write their own articles on their Olympic Teams. They would then edit the main Olympic article themselves to include a link to the article on their Olympic Team. These links would be confined to a special section at the end of the article.

so who gets to vote on the Host cities? is it just the Higher council or is it like RL where each Nation's OC gets to vote?

I don't think that will help as much as you might hope. Remember, many of the nations on NS are in regions of only one or two nations. I think that we ought to let participants write their own articles on their Olympic Teams. They would then edit the main Olympic article themselves to include a link to the article on their Olympic Team. These links would be confined to a special section at the end of the article.

The problem is just that in RL the template (sp?) for a specific Olympiad is going to have at most 200 nations footnoted, whereas with 10,000s of nations, it could be that in the future that we'd have many more.

Perhaps we could just by convention only list nations which actually have their own articles. If you don't have an article, then let's not create and leave a stub sitting around.

But I do like having a list of national articles in the footnotes / template.

It looks great, and I'll work with my regional members to get our nations added to the list. Quick question: should we create the stub for the Winter Olympiad I


If you want, yes. I haven't created it, simply because there wouldn't be much to put in it so far, but if you want to do a stub, of course, feel free. Again, it could give us a basis to work on.


and also make a brief link to the RL Wikipedia Olymic Games articles ... since players will likely be tempted to base some of their nations off of other RL nations / people, the links might streamline things. :)

Yes, good idea.

It is my understanding that the higher council votes on narrowing the bid choices down to a manageable number and that everyone gets to vote on the hosts from that reduced list. Am I right about that one?

It is my understanding that the higher council votes on narrowing the bid choices down to a manageable number and that everyone gets to vote on the hosts from that reduced list. Am I right about that one?
Yeah, that's my understanding as well. I think the voting will begin in less than a week.

The higher council thingy, what I am on, has done its narrowing-down, and after the bids have been 'finalised' - i.e. they've written their scorinators and such - then every NSOC member gets to vote on them, afaik.

We would like to send a delegate to the commitee

The Pacitalian Winter Olympiad delegation will be as follows:

Below: event, number participating, names of participants

BIATHLON
7.5KM SPRINT WOMEN - 2 - Roberta Sandomera, Giuliana Foramini
10KM SPRINT MEN - 2 - Rabastano Agonzoni, Ruggiero Fendo
10KM PURSUIT WOMEN - 2 - Roberta Sandomera, Giuliana Foramini
12.5KM PURSUIT MEN - 2 - Rabastano Agonzoni, Ruggiero Fendo
15KM INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 2 - Roberta Sandomera, Giuliana Foramini
20KM INDIVIDUAL MEN - 2 - Rabastano Agonzoni, Ruggiero Fendo

BOBSLEIGH
2 MAN MEN - 2 sleds - Pacitalia 1 (Alberto Cenagado, Mario Subera), Pacitalia 2 (Giulio Fonsodori, Ando Franchitti)
2 MAN WOMEN - 2 sleds - Pacitalia 1 (Timana Abranzata, Melissa Ciorbescu), Pacitalia 2 (Simona Vergani, Abrodera Figerenta)
4 MAN MEN - 1 sled - Alberto Cenagado, Giulio Fonsodori, Ando Franchitti, Mario Subera

SKELETON
INDIVIDUAL MEN - 2 - Mario Gandini, Francesco Soprantano
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 2 - Antonia Porantabana, Mena Sisseria

CURLING
MEN - 1 team - Simone Brando (skip), Cristiano DaFungiamo (lead/second), Lemanto Altoni (third), Constantino Forzani (fourth), Sandro Ceriati (alternate)
WOMEN - 1 team - Alberta Tingiana (skip), Alessandra Comanza (lead/second), Giulietta Frimona (third), Fiorenza Bangiadura (fourth), Anda Maria Sora (alternate)

ICE HOCKEY
MEN - 1 team
WOMEN - 1 team

LUGE
INDIVIDUAL MEN - 2 - Mario Gandini, Francesco Soprantano
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 2 - Antonia Porantabana, Mena Sisseria

FIGURE SKATING
INDIVIDUAL MEN - 3 - Alexei Khoranov, Nicolae Petrescu, Simone Vantaro
INDIVIDUAL WOMEN - 3 - Margherita Pozzia, Vittoria Espagnola, Claudia Di Matrassa
PAIRS MIXED - 2 - Alessandro Samobroni and Giulia Forga-Neroglia; Mario Dibusco and Stefania Morassa
ICE DANCE MIXED - 2 - Alessandro Samobroni and Giulia Forga-Neroglia; Mario Dibusco and Stefania Morassa

SPEED SKATING
500M MEN - 4 - Valentino Brigandoro, Rabastano Tecombini, Timotaio Giminanti, Mario Puziori
500M WOMEN - 4 - Alessandra Marchesa, Isabella Maniana, Anamaria Tremizzata, Roberta Telustana
1KM MEN - 3 - Valentino Brigandoro, Rabastano Tecombini, Mario Puziori
1KM WOMEN - 3 - Alessandra Marchesa, Isabella Maniana, Anamaria Tremizzata
1.5KM MEN - 2 - Valentino Brigandoro, Mario Puziori
1.5KM WOMEN - 2 - Alessandra Marchesa, Isabella Maniana
3KM WOMEN - 2 - Isabella Maniana, Anamaria Tremizzata
5KM MEN - 2 - Rabastano Tecombini, Mario Puziori
10KM MEN - 1 - Mario Puziori
TEAM PURSUIT MEN - 1 team - Valentino Brigandoro, Rabastano Tecombini, Mario Puziori
TEAM PURSUIT WOMEN - 1 team - Alessandra Marchesa, Isabella Maniana, Roberta Telustana

SHORT TRACK SPEED SKATING
500M MEN - 4 - Bertrando Torentano, Mario Puziori, Valentino Brigandoro, Simone Aguratani
500M WOMEN - 4 - Alessandra Marchesa, Roberta Telustana, Maria Finghulera, Franca Dovungama
1KM MEN - 3 - Bertrando Torentano, Simone Aguratani, Marco Ando Mandano
1KM WOMEN - 3 - Maria Finghulera, Franca Dovungama, Char Rodriguez
1.5KM MEN - 2 - Bertrando Torentano, Simone Aguratani
1.5KM WOMEN - 2 - Franca Dovungama, Char Rodriguez
3KM RELAY WOMEN - 1 team - Maria Finghulera, Franca Dovungama, Char Rodriguez, Ramena Samandora, Roberta Vicenti (alternate)
5KM RELAY MEN - 1 team - Andreas Maganis, Marco Ando Mandano, Alessandro Marconi, Francesco Pragando, Neros Apollonis

Total events participation - 39/83
Total competitors of maximum - 108/160

Limited alpine and nordic participation because, seriously, the only snow in Pacitalia is either manufactured or on mountains too high to ascend and too steep to build facilities. ;)

Yes, the entire council will get to vote on the Winter Games.

By the way, can I please request any further rosters wait until the signup thread is opened by the hosts.

FAO Tonissia/SunCoastOfFlorida/Coronado Del Marr:

Puppets must be declared. If you do not declare within 24 hours which nation is to be your main nation, all three nations will be ejected from the NSOC for the duration of one Games.

You have until 12.15pm GMT on Monday 27 February to declare.

FAO Tonissia/SunCoastOfFlorida/Coronado Del Marr:

Puppets must be declared. If you do not declare within 24 hours which nation is to be your main nation, all three nations will be ejected from the NSOC for the duration of one Games.

You have until 12.15pm GMT on Monday 27 February to declare.



Just so you know Tonissia is now a puppet of Sdaeriji
TSCOF is a puppet of Coronado Del Marr

Wait, one user with three nations in the Olympics? If Tonissia is now a puppet (I don't think Sda has signed up) of someone else, shouldn't it withdraw?

The Republic of Kanadaeh would like to participate in the olympics.


we are awaiting further information before we submit an athlete list

The government and citizens of The Holy Empire of Rayers II would like to enter a team for this prestigious Olympic competition.

MALE ATHELETES:
Alpine skiing - 18 Athletes, 2 for every event except Super G
Biathalon - 5 athletes, all particpating in all forms
Bobsleighing, four and two man events
Nordic Skiing - 13 athletes, 1 is competing in 2 events, we are in everything here but cross
A curling team
2 Partner ice dancing teams
1 indivdual ice dancer
1 Freesyle Skier
2 Short track speed skaters
An ice hockey team
Skeleton - NOT PARTICAPATING
Snowbording - 3 athletes per event, 6 total
Long track - 2 athletes

FEMALE ATHELETES:
Alpine Skiing - 20 Athletes, 2 for every event
Biathalon - 4 Athletes, one per event
Bobsleiging - 2 women race
Nordic Skiing - 15 athletes
Curling
2 Partner Ice Dancers (Same compition as male)
2 indivudal ice dancers
Ice hockey team
Freestyle - NOT PARTICIPATING
1 Short Tracker
6 Snowborders
1 Long Track racer

Sorry I can't provide a total, but since I don't know crap about curling don't know how many players are needed for that, also, I don't know how many subsitutions an Ice Hockey team would have. Let me know if I missed anything, even if I won't play it I want NOT PARTICIPATING on teh list.

Let me know if I missed anything, even if I won't play it I want NOT PARTICIPATING on teh list.

Uh... yeah, you did miss something.

This...

By the way, can I please request any further rosters wait until the signup thread is opened by the hosts.

In other news, the Schiavone bid would like to enquire again about the list of sports that are/aren't included in the olympics being different to the proper Olympics.

While the Winter Olympics are pretty limited in what they can hold, the possibilities for events to be held in the summer games is almost endless. Do we need football included when it's so commonly played elsewhere on NS? If it's all about sports that don't get as much of a look in elsewhere, what about, say, squash?

And don't get me started on synchronised swimming... :rolleyes:

Do we need football included when it's so commonly played elsewhere on NS? If it's all about sports that don't get as much of a look in elsewhere, what about, say, squash?

And don't get me started on synchronised swimming... :rolleyes:

I think football and other sports were addressed earlier in the thread. The only point of contention was as to modifiers that might be used for those teams. As for squash...........dont you eat that?

Now to get you started on synchronized swimming............I really dont think it qualifies as a sport. Sort of like Rythmic Gymnastics. Just there. But I would never deprive NMS of the opportunity to see the 6'6, 350 lb women from Meldenburg tucking their beards into their swimsuits to perform in the synchronized swimming competition. NMS would be devastated if that were to happen :D

Oopps thought i'd already signed up, well he's me signing up

If it's not too late.....

Stevid would be interested in sending participants for the Summer Olympics and the Winter Olympics.

Winter Olympics-
MALE ATHELETES:
1 Ice Hockey Team

FEMALE ATHELETES:
1 Ice Hockey Team

(Ice Hockey being the one Winter Olympic sport i understand)

_____________

Summer Olympic Atheletes will be submitted when the Winter one is out of the way.

If it's all about sports that don't get as much of a look in elsewhere, what about, say, squash?


I don't think we should be adding sports that aren't Olympic sports in RL. At least, for for the first few Olympics. It's going to be complicated enough as it is...

By the way, newcomers, feel free to edit this NS wiki template (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Winter_Olympiad_I) and add yourselves in. I'll be editing it myself when the list of participating nations is finalised, but that's no reason why you can't write in your own nations. ;)

Dorian and Sonya would like to participate in the Olympic Games as a puppet of ASMV.

Just so you know Tonissia is now a puppet of Sdaeriji
TSCOF is a puppet of Coronado Del Marr

OK. Tonissia will be removed; the rest will be altered accordingly.

I don't think we should be adding sports that aren't Olympic sports in RL. At least, for for the first few Olympics. It's going to be complicated enough as it is...



It would definitly be to everyone's advantage to keep things simple the first times out, so everyone can get a feel for it.

But eventually wouldn't you love to have competitors competing in the tug-of-war? Croquet(sp?)? Lawn Darts? Pool? Regular Darts? Texas Hold-Em? Those three-legged races you competed in Field Days and Family Reunions?

The Glorious nation of screaming fish would be only too pleased to play host to the teams wishing to practise for the two person coed skeleton. WE have been leaders in this sport for many generations and feel we can lend a helping hand to those trying to learn.

The administration of The Holy Empire of Mr Chuck Norris found themselves being nagged yet again by their citizens:

"Hey! I've heard other nations are getting together and having some sort of Olympics, maybe we should join." A random person yells from the crowd of a political ramble.

(Crowd mutters in agreement)

"The administration has already review the Olympics and has decided that we will not be participating. Not only are the olympics currently far too complex, but we hardly have any atheletes who have ever participated in half of these events. Plus, we already regretably gave all of you a football team for the World Cup, so we will not be in the Olympics." Answers the political leader.

To make a long story short, the citizens proceeded to hunt the administration down, beat them with sticks, and sign The Holy Empire of Mr Chuck Norris up for both the Winter and Summer Olympics with the initials MCN and a request for more information ( Can be telegrammed, looking specifically for information on Olympic Council ).

So, what EXACTLY is the wait now? The Upper Council bigwigs have voted for the four finalists, is it not time for the rest of the General Council (not including associate members) to vote? And how will we vote, TGing, poll or the method I suggested earlier in the thread?

By the way, newcomers, feel free to edit this NS wiki template (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Winter_Olympiad_I) and add yourselves in. I'll be editing it myself when the list of participating nations is finalised, but that's no reason why you can't write in your own nations. ;)

Done!

So, what EXACTLY is the wait now? The Upper Council bigwigs have voted for the four finalists, is it not time for the rest of the General Council (not including associate members) to vote? And how will we vote, TGing, poll or the method I suggested earlier in the thread?
The wait is for all of the candidates to make scorinators and other useful bid components—if you’d like, I could just abandon the scorinators I’m working on and use the WC26 scorinator for everything. :p
I believe the final vote starts on Thursday.

Uhh... it's not too late to apply to be a Summer Games Host City?

I have a city planned, but it looks like you have enough applicants, hehe. Anyway, if it's too late, I can always wait for the next Olympiad. :D

LA Ice would be glad to participate in the Olympic Games, and if a spot is still available, would be willing to put Icecold, its capital, forward as a candidate for the Host City of the first Summer Olympics.

Despite its name, Icecold has been known to have warm weather for most of the year.

But eventually wouldn't you love to have competitors competing in the tug-of-war?

Tug-of-war used to be an Olympic event, after all. :D

Ehh... what the heck. I'll go ahead and offer a city for the Summer Olympics.

IC:

Pyotr Yudina of the Valerian Imperial Committee for Athletics and the Olympiad (VICAO) quickly rose from his desk. Magnus Valerius was ready for the Winter Olympics, but Pyotr looked to the future: the Summer Olympiad! Magnus Valerius had perfect climates and several cities to choose from for Summer Olympic Cities (and perhaps future Winter Olympics Sites as well). As head of VICAO, he hand-selected a city for Magnus Valerius to present to the NSOC as a possible candidate for hosting the Summer Olympics.

To Whom It May Concern in the Upper NSOC,

The Grand Empire of Magnus Valerius is most pleased to be participating in the first Winter Olympiad. We would like to, in the meantime, present a possible host city for the Summer Olympics. The city that the Valerian Imperial Committee for Athletics and the Olympiad is Kholmogory. A fine city with fair weather during the summer, Kholmogory is a city on the River Vedus and is not too far from King Williams's Sea. The city lies within Magnus Valerius's broad Mediterranean climate zone, and the city is pretty large, too, at about 1.8 million people living in its immediate area.

I look forward to having our city being considered as a host, and I will relay additional information in the future.

Sincerely,
Pyotr Yudina
Head of the V.I.C.A.O.

The wait is for all of the candidates to make scorinators and other useful bid components—if you’d like, I could just abandon the scorinators I’m working on and use the WC26 scorinator for everything. :p
I believe the final vote starts on Thursday.

Ooooh, so for stuff you could have done already. Gotcha. :p

Although, I am intrigued how the WC scorinator would work for the bobsled. =p

Tug-of-war used to be an Olympic event, after all. :D

Actually, OOFI (Olympic Organisation of the Forty-six Islands) were considering having Tug-of-War as an event, though only as a demonstration sport. Hence us bringing the matter up.

Although, I am intrigued how the WC scorinator would work for the bobsled. =p

Just the same way it worked for the WC: badly.

Ooooh, so for stuff you could have done already. Gotcha. :p
I could have done it already, but there’s this little thing called a “life.” I know, it’s a tough concept for you to understand… :p

Besides, I didn’t have to have it done early, so I saw no reason not to procrastinate. :p

I could have done it already, but there’s this little thing called a “life.” I know, it’s a tough concept for you to understand… :p

Besides, I didn’t have to have it done early, so I saw no reason not to procrastinate. :p

:p I know. I don't know where you find the time, personally. All that computer programming and Linux worship must take a big bite out, but somehow you manage to make it work. :) Kudos!

The Earthsea Islands would love to participate in the Olympic games.

We would like to submit:

Viola: For the summer games
Fortuna: For the summer games

Many Thanks
Mr R. Hanson, Minister For Culture, Media And Sport & Mr A. Brown, Minister For International Development

We would like to submit:

Viola: For the summer games
Fortuna: For the summer games


I assume those are cities, not athletes? ;) You can only really submit one bid for the Summer Games (and bidding is closed for the Winter ones).

On an unrelated topic, regarding scorination, I was wondering... It quite often happens that athletes fail to complete an event, either because they give up (DNF) or because they're disqualified (DSQ). I was wondering whether that should be taken into account, and if so, how?

Obviously, hosts can't decide that an athlete gives up during an event; that's up to the nation's player. But sometimes athletes fall (in the slalom event, or short track, for example, or even bobsleighs overturning). Could a random generator possibly factor in the possibility of an athlete falling? I'd imagine not, but if it can, maybe a finishing time should be generated all the same (with a large handicap), and the nation's player would then decide whether or not the athlete opted to cross the finishing line despite his/her fall?

As for being disqualified, it would work in much the same way, except that no finishing time would be generated.

I'm probably just throwing in wild ideas here which can't possibly be used, but I just thought I'd share the ramblings of my mind with you all.

On an unrelated topic, regarding scorination, I was wondering... It quite often happens that athletes fail to complete an event, either because they give up (DNF) or because they're disqualified (DSQ). I was wondering whether that should be taken into account, and if so, how?

As for being disqualified, it would work in much the same way, except that no finishing time would be generated.

If you're in Excel, think of it like this:

=rand()

=if(rand()<0.05,"DSQ","")

This would mean that about 1 in 20 competitors would be D.Q.ed; if the number is too high, lower the decimal to see fit. That's how I've been developing the Summer Games Scorinators for my/The Islands of Qutar bid.

I assume those are cities, not athletes? ;) You can only really submit one bid for the Summer Games (and bidding is closed for the Winter ones).

On an unrelated topic, regarding scorination, I was wondering... It quite often happens that athletes fail to complete an event, either because they give up (DNF) or because they're disqualified (DSQ). I was wondering whether that should be taken into account, and if so, how?

Obviously, hosts can't decide that an athlete gives up during an event; that's up to the nation's player. But sometimes athletes fall (in the slalom event, or short track, for example, or even bobsleighs overturning). Could a random generator possibly factor in the possibility of an athlete falling? I'd imagine not, but if it can, maybe a finishing time should be generated all the same (with a large handicap), and the nation's player would then decide whether or not the athlete opted to cross the finishing line despite his/her fall?

As for being disqualified, it would work in much the same way, except that no finishing time would be generated.

I'm probably just throwing in wild ideas here which can't possibly be used, but I just thought I'd share the ramblings of my mind with you all.
I was already planning on including DNF/DSQ in my scorinators, but I hadn’t thought about letting players decide if their athletes finish. It seems like it’d be unnecessarily complicated—a special modifier would have to be created to account for the time it takes to get up, people who don’t actively RP wouldn’t be around to make the decision, people who RPed before the decision wouldn’t know what the “real” results were…and all for an athlete who lost the race whether they finished it or not. :p

All four of the cities mentioned above are now official Candidate Cities: They have ONE WEEK to finalise their bids before final voting opens on Thursday March 2nd.

Which is today. So, shall we get things moving? :)

The Earthsea Islands would love to be a member of the international olympic council. We would also like to put forward a candidate city for the summer olympics:

Viola: a city of spectacular beauty with all the facilities there ready to be adapted for the games. A perfect candidate for the games.

Many thanks. We await your decission.

Mr R. Hanson Minister For Culture, Media And Sport

Which is today. So, shall we get things moving? :)

How do we vote? TG to whom? Did I miss something?

No you didnt miss anything. The vote was supposed to start Thursday, but I guess no one in power remembered that one :p

No you didnt miss anything. The vote was supposed to start Thursday, but I guess no one in power remembered that one :p

I suppose I'm one of the those people in power, but I have to admit that I was assuming Krytenia would get us underway...

If Krytenia's unavailable for some reason, I'd be happy for Ariddia to list the host cities and get the final host vote started.

I'm about to go away for the weekend (which it almost is down here in Melbourne), so I'm happy for someone else to be a man and take charge :)

I can start the balloting if there are no objections.

It's still Thursday where I live for another 1 hr 4 mins. ;)

How do we vote? TG to whom? Did I miss something?

They can't be TGed to one spot, since you can only receive 15 at a time. And the ballot should be secret. So, we could split the voting up. Let's say 10 nations send their votes to Ariddia, 10 to Arch, 11 to Star, 10 to Bedi, 10 to Spruit, 14 to me, and 15 to Kry (since there are 80 members). I think that's the best way to do it, honestly.

So, here's how it will go, then, for the duration of the balloting:

Red Group (10 members): The Archregimancy, Bedistan, Krytenia, Pacitalia, Spruitland, Starblaydia, Aborlau, An archy, Andossa Se Mitrin Vega and Antrium will send their votes to Ariddia by telegram.

Orange Group (10 members): Ariddia, Audioslavia, Bazalonia, Becquerelia, Bejerot, Boswern, Broke Phi Broke, Casari, Ceorana and Chicanada will send their votes to The Archregimancy by telegram.

Brown Group (10 members): Commerce Heights, Coronado del Marr, Domnonia, Dorian and Sonya, Dsboy, Euroslavia, Fmjphoenix, Georgdem, Great Plains and Green Wombat will send their votes to Bedistan by telegram.

Green Group 1 (8 members): Hangup, Hanneslandor, Haraki, Hill-Billy-Hoola, Hockey Canada, Imperial Aaronia, The Jedi Revan and Jonquiere-Tadoussac will send their votes to Krytenia by telegram.

Green Group 2 (7 members): Kamanari, Kanadaeh, The Kazoo Peoples, Kelse, Kericia, Lawtonia and Liverpool England will send their votes to NSOC Inbox (Krytenia's secondary account) by telegram.

Blue Group 1 (7 members): Luchamos, The Macabees, Magnus Valerius, Malabra, The Marxist State, Mikitivity and Milchama will send their votes to Pacitalia by telegram.

Blue Group 2 (7 members): The Moravian Counties, Nation of Quebec, Nedalia, New Montreal States, Ocmeoub, Oliverry and Pli Granda Hungario will send their votes to Frei Burgenland (Pacitalia's secondary account) by telegram.

Purple Group (10 members): Polliok, Qazox, The Islands of Qutar, Raging Penguins, Rammstein the Land, Rayers II, Rolatia, San Haven, Schiavonia and Sel Appa will send their votes to Spruitland by telegram.

Pink Group 1 (11 members): South Illyria, Spaam, Stevid, Tillia, Trinitron Tower, Tynelia, Upscale Cruises, Vincesuela, The Weegies, Yafor II and Zertunia will send their votes to Starblaydia by telegram.

If that is clear enough, then the OUC members send their voting results in one single telegram to either me or Krytenia, and Krytenia tallies the ballot results and releases the final count for the first ballot. Go to it, folks.

Here are the bids again, if you need a peek before you decide.

Aeropag, COM: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469582
Ungava, DOM: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Ungava_Olympic_Bid_2006
Marshalliston, OLI: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469310
Bloco'yce City, RPN: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469428

and releases the final count for the first ballot.

Just to nip everybody's panic in the bud: Pacitalia naturally means "the first AND ONLY ballot."
Don't worry, folks, just this one vote to cast, and then we can get this thing underway, finally.

Just to nip everybody's panic in the bud: Pacitalia naturally means "the first AND ONLY ballot."
Don't worry, folks, just this one vote to cast, and then we can get this thing underway, finally.

Unless we get a tie, of course. ;)

IC:

Betty Moon, OOFI delegate to the NSOC got her voting form in the post this morning. Recorded delivery, of course. We can't have these things getting into the wrong habds, you know.

Anyway, after reading through the instructions, all she could figure out was that she had to send her vote to Spruitland. But how to vote?

It said something about this being a "first ballot", something about them wanting to avoid another ballot, all kinds of gubbins. So, instead of sending back her voting form, she sent back the following note.


Dear Whoever happens to be reading,

This is a letter from Schiavonia's Olympic Organisation of hte Forty-six Islands (OOFI), in which we would like to highlight the absolute shambolic nature of the voting system for choosing the hosts for the First Games of the Winter Olympiad.

I mean, you would thing that whoever thought it up hadn't ever conducted a vote on this magnitude before. It is ridiculous. It took me three hours to figure out that I should be sending this to Spruitland and not Krytenia or Starblaydia (this is, after all, the purple group).

Anyway, now I have figured that I should be writing to you, I would like to lodge an official complaint against the voting system, on the simple premise that it sucks!

The Pacitalians thought this up, didn't they? You really can tell, you know. If any of the other Upper Council members had put the system in place, they'd know that not everyone votes! The number of n00bs that sign up to the thread, then do nothing about it ever again is bound to be pretty damn high. Especially looking at some of the nations that have signed up for NSOC membership, then done nothing else ever!

Then there's the idea that we have more than one vote. What's the point in that? This is the second century, for chrissakes! (Well, it is in Schiavonia. Who knows when it is anywhere else?) Surely they can organise an election by know where voters list their candidates in order of preference, counting the first choice votes each time, knocking out the candidate with least votes, then giving the second choice votes on that ballot to the other candidates. Single Transferable Vote, I think it's called.

Anyway, consider our complaint official. We hope you will contact the rest of the Upper Council with regards to this.

Yours infuriated,

Betty Moon,
Chief, Olympic Organisation of the Forty-six Islands.

P.S. We'll tell you who we actually want to vote for in another letter. We don't know who could be reading this...

And off it was sent.


OOC: You haven't thought this voting system through, have you Pac? Far be it from me to say (although I'm gonna...), but only fools rush in where orthodox monks fear to tread. :p

Olav Nett, Spruitland’s Minister of Sports and therefore willy-nilly the country’s representative in the Olympic Council – as if he had nothing better to do – opened the letter from the Schiavonia Olympic Whatevertheycalledit, swiftly found the information he needed, and edited it into his standard reply.


Dear Betty Moon,

We thank you for your interest in the Olympics. Rest assured, your letter will be forwarded to the relevant department, where it will receive undivided attention. The information you provided will undoubtedly help us in creating a better product. Much obliged.

We hope you will continue to be our loyal and happy customer!

Sincerely,

Olav Nett
Minister of Sports
Olympic Upper Council Member
Spruitland


He put the reply in the outbox, lifted his feet onto his desk, and lit a cigar. There, another potential disaster diverted.

Currently we haven't set a time limit on voting. I'm assuming many of those who signed up won't bother to vote, so we can't wait indefinitely.

Unless there are any objections, I suggest we give it five days as from now, which means voting would close on March 8th, 13:00 GMT.

After that, the host would have to announce quickly whether any sports will be dropped or added from Krytenia's earlier model, so that participating nations can set up their "rosters" as quickly as possible. I suggest nations be given five days to do that, and the Games begin on March 14th.

Personally I dont care for the idea of voting via "secret ballot". Everyone ought to have stones enough to come out and say who they voted for. But that's just me. I do like the thought and everything that went into the voting system you proposed.

But I am just ready to get this thing moving along, before we talk it to death. I think Ariddia's timeline will work out great.

Pink Group 1 (11 members): South Illyria, Spaam, Stevid, Tillia, Trinitron Tower, Tynelia, Upscale Cruises, Vincesuela, The Weegies, Yafor II and Zertunia will send their votes to Starblaydia by telegram.

So this is why I have two weird TGs in my inbox. Thanks Pac :rolleyes:

We have one vote per ballot, and there is ONE ballot. That's it, guys. Sorry that I wasn't clear.

Just out of curiosity, can we have a possibly more elaborate and complicated plan for voting? And another note, has it actually been opened yet? See it's kind of hard to tell with noone saying "Voting is now open!" other than Paci saying he could open it and posting the Rainbow plan for no apparent reason other than to confuse everyone in this slani organization.

Boudra-Boudra would like to join as the citizens are all sports fanatics.

And another note, has it actually been opened yet?

Well, if we don't open it now, I'm not sure when we would. So yes, it's open.

I've received one vote from "Red Group" so far.

****OLYMPIC COMMITEE OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE****

OCNA wuld like to express a desire to participate in both the Summer and Winter Olympics but would also like to express concern that our previous request to participate and our bids to host the games were ignored.

We hope that this was just an oversight on the part of the authorities and that Nouvelle Angleterre will be allowed to participate in these wonderful games.

If any nations have any queries or the authorities would like to communicate with OCNA personally please do not hesitate to contact me via telegram.

Yours In Peace
Matt Buxton MP
Sports Secretary, Head of OCNA

Boudra-Boudra would like to join as the citizens are all sports fanatics.

Welcome. Feel free to edit yourself in an NSwiki article here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Winter_Olympiad_I).

So we've somehow decided to go through with this interesting voting scheme? Although, in retrospect, it's amazing we came to a decision on something without having to vote or appoint people in power.

We hope that this was just an oversight on the part of the authorities and that Nouvelle Angleterre will be allowed to participate in these wonderful games.


There's no restrictions on participating. As for hosting, hosting bids for the Winter Games closed a long time ago. Feel free to prepare a detailed bid for the Summer Games, explaining how you intend to run and scorinate the Games, as well as any other information you consider important.

Welcome. Feel free to edit yourself in an NSwiki article here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Winter_Olympiad_I).

Done. :)

Question: is the list at the top of page 20 the full list of possible disciplines and athletes/discipline? :)

Question: is the list at the top of page 20 the full list of possible disciplines and athletes/discipline? :)

Currently, yes, but it's subject to confirmation by the hosts. They'll have the final say.

Zombie Nerds is willing to host the first winter olympiad in Coruscant city.

Zombie Nerds is willing to host the first winter olympiad in Coruscant city.

Accepting bids for this Winter Olymopiad closed a long time ago, as indicated in the OP. Feel free to prepare a bid for the Summer Olympics, though.

I'd say it's totally up to the hosts on the list of events and athletes.

East Subuci Olympic Committee - with the backing of The Supreme Senate - hereby apply to join the forthcoming Winter Olympics.

VOTING IS OPEN!
(And has been for several hours...)

OCNA wuld like to express a desire to participate in both the Summer and Winter Olympics but would also like to express concern that our previous request to participate and our bids to host the games were ignored.

We hope that this was just an oversight on the part of the authorities and that Nouvelle Angleterre will be allowed to participate in these wonderful games.

My bad. Feel free to add yourself to GREEN GROUP TWO. TG NSOC Inbox with your vote.

PS. Voting will officially close on:
Friday, March 10th.
There is ONE ballot, and ONE vote per nation.
Dammit you guys, I'ts MY Scattergories... :D

Where to put your votes:

So, here's how it will go, then, for the duration of the balloting:

Red Group (10 members): The Archregimancy, Bedistan, Krytenia, Pacitalia, Spruitland, Starblaydia, Aborlau, An archy, Andossa Se Mitrin Vega and Antrium will send their votes to Ariddia by telegram.

Orange Group (10 members): Ariddia, Audioslavia, Bazalonia, Becquerelia, Bejerot, Boswern, Broke Phi Broke, Casari, Ceorana and Chicanada will send their votes to The Archregimancy by telegram.

Brown Group (10 members): Commerce Heights, Coronado del Marr, Domnonia, Dorian and Sonya, Dsboy, Euroslavia, Fmjphoenix, Georgdem, Great Plains and Green Wombat will send their votes to Bedistan by telegram.

Green Group 1 (8 members): Hangup, Hanneslandor, Haraki, Hill-Billy-Hoola, Hockey Canada, Imperial Aaronia, The Jedi Revan and Jonquiere-Tadoussac will send their votes to Krytenia by telegram.

Green Group 2 (8 members): Kamanari, Kanadaeh, The Kazoo Peoples, Kelse, Kericia, Lawtonia, Nouvelle Angleterre and Liverpool England will send their votes to NSOC Inbox (Krytenia's secondary account) by telegram.

Blue Group 1 (7 members): Luchamos, The Macabees, Magnus Valerius, Malabra, The Marxist State, Mikitivity and Milchama will send their votes to Pacitalia by telegram.

Blue Group 2 (7 members): The Moravian Counties, Nation of Quebec, Nedalia, New Montreal States, Ocmeoub, Oliverry and Pli Granda Hungario will send their votes to Frei Burgenland (Pacitalia's secondary account) by telegram.

Purple Group (10 members): Polliok, Qazox, The Islands of Qutar, Raging Penguins, Rammstein the Land, Rayers II, Rolatia, San Haven, Schiavonia and Sel Appa will send their votes to Spruitland by telegram.

Pink Group 1 (11 members): South Illyria, Spaam, Stevid, Tillia, Trinitron Tower, Tynelia, Upscale Cruises, Vincesuela, The Weegies, Yafor II and Zertunia will send their votes to Starblaydia by telegram.

If that is clear enough, then the OUC members send their voting results in one single telegram to Mu-Muu (Krytenia's tertiary account), and Krytenia tallies the ballot results and releases the final count for the first ballot. Go to it, folks.

What group am I in?

What group am I in?

Logically, it should be Purple Group (Spruitland).

Sadly, the City of Tyrellia withdraws it's bid for the first Olympic Summer Games and wishes good luck to the remaining bids.

Two things...:

"Imminent Members, cannot vote yet" (as found in first post of thread) -- what is that supposed to mean? Why not let them vote? Did I miss something?

Does the Ylompics (created by Casari) have anything to do with the NS Olympic Council? Is Casari leaving the council? What happened? Am I completely retarded?

Thanks for tolerating my questions.

P.S. I've sent my vote off to NSOC Inbox!

The Ylompics currently open for signups are not affiliated with the NSOC and are not intended to compete with any events proposed or supported by the NSOC.

To be frank, I just wanted to hold something and have some fun. If anyone wants me to leave the council or whatever for making some attempt to upstage the NSOC or whatever, that's fine with me.

Also, as a reminder to newly signed-up nations, if you want to decide your own three-letter sport code rather than have one assigned to you, you can decide on one and add it in here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Internet_code#International_sports_codes) and here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Internet_code#International_sports_codes_.28by_codes.29).

7.5KM SPRINT WOMEN - 4
10KM SPRINT MEN - 4
10KM PURSUIT WOMEN - 3
12.5KM PURSUIT MEN - 3

I believe that normally the best 60 from the SPRINT get to start in the PURSUIT, and if all 4 of one country are within the best 60, they all get to start. The start times of the athletes in the pursuit are based on the result of the sprint, so the sprintwinner gets a headstart, then the number two of the sprint gets to start, then number three, etc etc. Hence the name: 'pursuit' :) I don't know the formula which determines the timedifference based on the result of the sprint but it can't be that hard to find with the torino games just having ended last weekend.

So no nation gets to choose how many participants they get in the pursuit, it is determined by the result of the sprint. You can't have a 'pursuit' if there's no one with a lead :) But maybe the '3' participants given earlier by Krytenia for the pursuit means that there is a limit on the number of starters from the same country? :)

I believe that normally the best 60 from the SPRINT get to start in the PURSUIT, and if all 4 of one country are within the best 60, they all get to start. The start times of the athletes in the pursuit are based on the result of the sprint, so the sprintwinner gets a headstart, then the number two of the sprint gets to start, then number three, etc etc. Hence the name: 'pursuit' :)

Quite correct; I'd forgotten that. There can't be a pursuit race without the headstarts determined during the sprint.

OK, and the best 60 go through to the pursuit?

BTW, checked Torino, and it seems that it's simply the timedifference of the sprint that is taken for calculating the start times in the pursuit with all times round to the nearest second. So e.g. if you end sixth in the sprint, 7.3 seconds behind the winner, then you'll start 6th in the pursuit, 7 seconds behind the winner of the sprint.

OK, and the best 60 go through to the pursuit?

Well, it'll be up to the host, but I assume so.


BTW, checked Torino, and it seems that it's simply the timedifference of the sprint that is taken for calculating the start times in the pursuit with all times round to the nearest second. So e.g. if you end sixth in the sprint, 7.3 seconds behind the winner, then you'll start 6th in the pursuit, 7 seconds behind the winner of the sprint.

Yes, I watched the start of the men's pursuit, and that's exactly how they did it. They were lined up in three columns. Number 1 started, and number 4 took his place on the starting block, then number 2 started, say 3 seconds later, and number 5 took his place on the starting block, and so on.

ok great :)

Another thing, what's the NSOC's position towards the so called "Ylompics" ?

Where to put your votes:


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Originally Posted by Pacitalia (Edited by Krytenia)
So, here's how it will go, then, for the duration of the balloting:

Red Group (10 members): The Archregimancy, Bedistan, Krytenia, Pacitalia, Spruitland, Starblaydia, Aborlau, An archy, Andossa Se Mitrin Vega and Antrium will send their votes to Ariddia by telegram.

Orange Group (10 members): Ariddia, Audioslavia, Bazalonia, Becquerelia, Bejerot, Boswern, Broke Phi Broke, Casari, Ceorana and Chicanada will send their votes to The Archregimancy by telegram.

Brown Group (10 members): Commerce Heights, Coronado del Marr, Domnonia, Dorian and Sonya, Dsboy, Euroslavia, Fmjphoenix, Georgdem, Great Plains and Green Wombat will send their votes to Bedistan by telegram.

Green Group 1 (8 members): Hangup, Hanneslandor, Haraki, Hill-Billy-Hoola, Hockey Canada, Imperial Aaronia, The Jedi Revan and Jonquiere-Tadoussac will send their votes to Krytenia by telegram.

Green Group 2 (8 members): Kamanari, Kanadaeh, The Kazoo Peoples, Kelse, Kericia, Lawtonia, Nouvelle Angleterre and Liverpool England will send their votes to NSOC Inbox (Krytenia's secondary account) by telegram.

Blue Group 1 (7 members): Luchamos, The Macabees, Magnus Valerius, Malabra, The Marxist State, Mikitivity and Milchama will send their votes to Pacitalia by telegram.

Blue Group 2 (7 members): The Moravian Counties, Nation of Quebec, Nedalia, New Montreal States, Ocmeoub, Oliverry and Pli Granda Hungario will send their votes to Frei Burgenland (Pacitalia's secondary account) by telegram.

Purple Group (10 members): Polliok, Qazox, The Islands of Qutar, Raging Penguins, Rammstein the Land, Rayers II, Rolatia, San Haven, Schiavonia and Sel Appa will send their votes to Spruitland by telegram.

Pink Group 1 (11 members): South Illyria, Spaam, Stevid, Tillia, Trinitron Tower, Tynelia, Upscale Cruises, Vincesuela, The Weegies, Yafor II and Zertunia will send their votes to Starblaydia by telegram.

If that is clear enough, then the OUC members send their voting results in one single telegram to Mu-Muu (Krytenia's tertiary account), and Krytenia tallies the ballot results and releases the final count for the first ballot. Go to it, folks.

The administration of The Holy Empire of Mr Chuck Norris found themselves being nagged yet again by their citizens:

"Hey! I've heard other nations are getting together and having some sort of Olympics, maybe we should join." A random person yells from the crowd of a political ramble.

(Crowd mutters in agreement)

"The administration has already review the Olympics and has decided that we will not be participating. Not only are the olympics currently far too complex, but we hardly have any atheletes who have ever participated in half of these events. Plus, we already regretably gave all of you a football team for the World Cup, so we will not be in the Olympics." Answers the political leader.

To make a long story short, the citizens proceeded to hunt the administration down, beat them with sticks, and sign The Holy Empire of Mr Chuck Norris up for both the Winter and Summer Olympics with the initials MCN and a request for more information ( Can be telegrammed, looking specifically for information on Olympic Council ).

The latter quote was posted on February 27, was that too late or was I just flat out ignored? It's helpful to note that I'm not included in the first quote despite signing up days beforehand.

The latter quote was posted on February 27, was that too late or was I just flat out ignored? It's helpful to note that I'm not included in the first quote despite signing up days beforehand.

I think Krytenia has probably just been too busy to update it. You've announced you wanted to take part, therefore you're in. If you want to make doubly sure you're not forgotten, add yourself here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Winter_Olympiad_I), too.

Incidentally, I was wondering... Have any of you host candidate considered allowing athletes to cheat by using illicit substances? ;) Perhaps players could indicate which of their athletes are cheating, if any, and it could give them a bonus, but there'd be a very high (albeit random) chance of them being found out and expelled? It's just an idea, since I assume it would be rather complicated, so feel free to ignore it.

Another thing, what's the NSOC's position towards the so called "Ylompics" ?

Well I'm on the Upper Council of the NSOC and I've just signed up for the Ylompics. I think that says all you need to know.

We will be willing to participate in the Summer olympics and the Winter olympics. We offer to have Balkan City as the site for the Summer olympics. Thank You.

Incidentally, I was wondering... Have any of you host candidate considered allowing athletes to cheat by using illicit substances? ;) Perhaps players could indicate which of their athletes are cheating, if any, and it could give them a bonus, but there'd be a very high (albeit random) chance of them being found out and expelled? It's just an idea, since I assume it would be rather complicated, so feel free to ignore it.

Personally I don't think the host is the one to say they allow such substances. Problem is, if we allow it, then everyone can 'RP' a new substance that cannot be detected, which seems to happen IRL every somethingsomething years.

For me, I wouldn't mind if we sort of 'forgot' about those products alltogether.

Well I'm on the Upper Council of the NSOC and I've just signed up for the Ylompics. I think that says all you need to know.

Yes that's what I thought. You could see it as "just another tournament", of which there are so many in different sports, but i've never seen a whole 'lookalike-olympics-competition'. I know we're all just RP-ing, and who am I to say I do not aprrove of these so called Ylompics, but something is bothering me.

Knowing me, i'll probably get over it and just participate anyway, but still it annoys me that there are 2 kinds of Olympics. It itches. Does no one else have this feeling?

Yes that's what I thought. You could see it as "just another tournament", of which there are so many in different sports, but i've never seen a whole 'lookalike-olympics-competition'. I know we're all just RP-ing, and who am I to say I do not aprrove of these so called Ylompics, but something is bothering me.

Knowing me, i'll probably get over it and just participate anyway, but still it annoys me that there are 2 kinds of Olympics. It itches. Does no one else have this feeling?

Its something that doesn't require some kind of rainbow voting scheme to run. Every other set of sports RPs on NS dont start with 'Let's have some games of <insert sport>, but let's form a committee first!'. Rugby, Football, Hockey, Baseball, Handball, whatever. But suddenly with an Olympics, its like something in our genes that makes us from a Committee and Associations and such first, which makes actually having any olympics nigh-on impossible.

Stand up, do the thing, then figure out the organisational structure and control afterwards, that's the way to make something a success here. Which is just what Cas is doing.

Oh ok, so this probably means that these Ylompics will probably become the first edition of the summer Olympics? :)

So actually, Casari was just the smartest of the candidates by setting it up first? :)

Heh, I'm a man of action. :p

ok great :)

Another thing, what's the NSOC's position towards the so called "Ylompics" ?

Good luck, Cas. I may join if I get the CC and CL out of the way in time (which I should).

BTW, yes, I've been rushed off my feet the last few days. Apologies to those who did not get a vote.

Also, there will be changes to come to the NSOC, effective at the end of the current vote. This thing needs some "hands-off" treatment and streamlining so we can get things goram MOVING.

so we can get things goram MOVING.

Which is why I'd suggested waiting only five days before announcing the host, rather than seven. ;)

Problem is, if we allow it, then everyone can 'RP' a new substance that cannot be detected

No, you've misunderstood me. The whole point is that, whatever the substance, the odds would be stacked in favour of the substance being detected. It'd be a gamble. But, as I said, it's just an idea, and probably not a practical one.

After some prodding and poking by an anonymous island nation from my region, Uhuh-Topia and Uhuh-Ropa have decided to participate in the winter olympics together, as the Ropa-Topian Sports Alliance.

This is not just to make Ariddia (oops, no longer anonymous) stop poking me, the Ropa-Topian people love ice skating ;)

Just a quick OOC apology to everyone for being a little behind in terms of the voting system.

My wife and I went away for the weekend (and no matter what the younger unmarried people on NS might think, you DON'T dump your wife for an hour to go on-line when you're having a quiet weekend together), and I've only just made it back home - but rest assured that the votes of everyone in my voting group will be assidiously counted, and I'll be sending off my own vote tomorrow!

OOC: Real life issues make a lot of activity difficult right now (family member was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer that has metasized two weeks ago and the prognosis is very poor) so this will be for a low level of participation for now.)

IC: The six schnauzerland nations in the International Democratic Union and the remaining nation in The North Pacific are pleased to announce the organization of the schnauzerlands Olympic Committee with its headquzrters at the Federal District in the Democratic Federation of Grosseschnauzer. The other nations of the schnauzerlands in addition to Grosseschnauzer are: Kinderliebstadt, Neu Grosseschnauzer, Purple Schnauzers, Schnauzer Dominions, Schnauzer Homelands and Schnazer States, and the seven nations will compete as a unified team under the name of "the Schnauzerlands." Communications should be addressed to Grosseschnauzer as their UN member nation.

Is there a final list of which sports will be offered or are we waiting to determine a host city first?

The Mikitivity Olympic Confederation Council (MOCC) has started work on selecting national athletes to represent the Confederated City States and needs a final list of events in order to submit a list of qualified individuals for the NOC to review and approve.

OOC: I've added a stub article for Mikitivity in the Winter Olympics, as a few others have, and wanted to continue to work on it.

The Kingdom of Greater Valmiera would like to join the NSOC

Is there a final list of which sports will be offered or are we waiting to determine a host city first?

The Mikitivity Olympic Confederation Council (MOCC) has started work on selecting national athletes to represent the Confederated City States and needs a final list of events in order to submit a list of qualified individuals for the NOC to review and approve.

OOC: I've added a stub article for Mikitivity in the Winter Olympics, as a few others have, and wanted to continue to work on it.

Well, if you look at the top post on page 20, Krytenia drew up a very good list of events, with a maximum number of athletes per country for each. But that hasn't been officially confirmed, and won't be until the host is chosen and decides whether they want to use it.

Speaking of which, it would be very helplful if host candidates could say right now whether they intend to use Krytenia's model, or, if they don't, whether they've got one ready themselves. It could enable participants to prepare their "rosters" now and save time later, so all this doesn't drag on too long.

Also, perhaps it might be a good idea to end voting on the 8th rather than on the 10th, so we can get things started? Remember that, once the host is chosen, nations will still have to publish their roster before we can actually start.

Maybe the four candidates could give their bid threads a little bump for convenience?

Here are the bids again, if you need a peek before you decide.

Aeropag, COM: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469582
Ungava, DOM: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Ungava_Olympic_Bid_2006
Marshalliston, OLI: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469310
Bloco'yce City, RPN: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469428
Here they are, although I will bump mine if you wish...

Less than two days left before the host is announced. (Since it appears they won't be announced today, and voting will be kept open until the 10th...)

BUMP

All vote collectors, remember to send in your votes to Mu-Muu (puppet of Krytenia) TOMORROW.

I really think the Games should start no later than five days after the host is announced, or everyone is simply going to lose interest.

BUMP

All vote collectors, remember to send in your votes to Mu-Muu (puppet of Krytenia) TOMORROW.

I really think the Games should start no later than five days after the host is announced, or everyone is simply going to lose interest.
I think the Games should be started after the Ylompics are finished, considering the number of nations that will be participating in both. Some overlap would be acceptable if there were enough signups, but it shouldn’t be our goal to run the two events concurrently.

I have to agree with Ariddia on this one. It has taken far too long to get this thing going already. If we dont get it going soon, it will simply fizzle out.

Let's Start ASAP

I think the Games should be started after the Ylompics are finished, considering the number of nations that will be participating in both. Some overlap would be acceptable if there were enough signups, but it shouldn’t be our goal to run the two events concurrently.

I strongly disagree. For one thing, the Olympics were announced first, so there's little reason to defer them due to an unrelated event. For another, not all the nations participating in the Olympics are also taking part in the Ylompics, and such a delay would be unfair on them. Thirdly, and most importantly, it looks as if people are starting to lose interest already; any further delay would probably kill the Olympics altogether.


I have to agree with Ariddia on this one. It has taken far too long to get this thing going already. If we dont get it going soon, it will simply fizzle out.

Indeed. I strongly recommend that the host be announced tomorrow (the 10th) at no later than midnight GMT (midnight leading to the 11th, I mean). I'll be sending the votes I've received to Krytenia in, probably, less than 12 hours. Once the host has been announced, the host should announce immediately what the schedule is and all other details, and I again strongly recommend that participating nations be given no more than five days to post their roster.

We should get this started by the 15th. Any later, and I'm worried it'll never start at all.

I strongly disagree. For one thing, the Olympics were announced first, so there's little reason to defer them due to an unrelated event. For another, not all the nations participating in the Olympics are also taking part in the Ylompics, and such a delay would be unfair on them. Thirdly, and most importantly, it looks as if people are starting to lose interest already; any further delay would probably kill the Olympics altogether.

But maybe the original idea wasn't all bad. Why not hold the Ylompics AFTER the Olympics (If host agrees)?

Altogether I'm also in favor of a fast start. Boudra-Boudra is hastly working on its list of participants.

Just a quick post confirming that the Monastic Olympic Committee of the Archregimancy has sent in its collated group votes to Mu-Muu.

And add me to the list of people (which is currently me and Ariddia, I suppose) who favour starting immediately once the host is announced.

I have to agree with Ariddia on this one. It has taken far too long to get this thing going already. If we dont get it going soon, it will simply fizzle out.

Let's Start ASAP

I strongly agree, we must start as soon as possible and keep it organised.
One thread for each different sport or a totally seperate forums altogether (like Invision free) to host the olympics.

The longer this takes, the more likely people will just say "pfft! Why bother!". The sooner the better in my opinion.

A totally different forum is very inconvenient. You have to check it as often as you check NS and it's hard to integrate with the rest of what one does on NS.

I strongly disagree. For one thing, the Olympics were announced first, so there's little reason to defer them due to an unrelated event.
It’s an unrelated event?

We should get this started by the 15th. Any later, and I'm worried it'll never start at all.
Is there some ancient curse that’ll destroy all of our efforts if we can’t start this by the Ides of March? :p
I agree that we shouldn’t wait a year (like the NSIOC), and probably not even a month, as I suggested earlier, but would a few days really make a catastrophic difference?

It’s an unrelated event?


Is there some ancient curse that’ll destroy all of our efforts if we can’t start this by the Ides of March? I agree that we shouldn’t wait a year (like the NSIOC), and probably not even a month, as I suggested earlier, but would a few days really make a catastrophic difference? :p
The curse is mankinds short attention span. As well as the fact that the Olympics are over in RL and people are less likely to be as enthusiatic about it.

I strongly agree, we must start as soon as possible and keep it organised.
One thread for each different sport or a totally seperate forums altogether (like Invision free) to host the olympics.

The longer this takes, the more likely people will just say "pfft! Why bother!". The sooner the better in my opinion.

You want to make it even more complicated than it already is? :confused:

How about a results thread, a delegation thread (where you list the athletes you're officially sending and the events you're participating in), and an RP thread? Or the delegation/RP thread as one big one? And perhaps the winning bid's host city information thread? Four threads max. That's it, that's all. Just like any other sporting event.

It’s an unrelated event?

Yes.


The curse is mankinds short attention span. As well as the fact that the Olympics are over in RL and people are less likely to be as enthusiatic about it.


Indeed. (Although the Winter Paralympics start today in RL, sadly few people seem to be interested. It seems TV over here isn't going to cover the event at all)


How about a results thread, a delegation thread (where you list the athletes you're officially sending and the events you're participating in), and an RP thread? Or the delegation/RP thread as one big one? And perhaps the winning bid's host city information thread? Four threads max. That's it, that's all. Just like any other sporting event.


I agree; we can keep it fairly simple.

Eight of the ten people who were supposed to send their votes to me have done so, and I've now sent them on to Mu-Muu (Krytenia).

I have to agree with Ariddia on this one. It has taken far too long to get this thing going already. If we dont get it going soon, it will simply fizzle out.

Let's Start ASAP

Great things come to those that wait. :)

Mikitivity remains interested in these games (in fact, I've started building my roster on NSWiki, and would like to suggest that those of you making NSWiki articles consider adding a *small* icon of your flag next to your nation's medal count, similar to how real Olympics Wikipedia articles do).

Once a call is made for rosters, I'll also nudge my regional neighbors and help them flesh out their details too!

On that note, for the few coastal nations participating in the Winter Olympics, Mikitivity has a training facility in Saint Katrina (which I created prior to Sep. 2005 for this sort of purpose) and you are welcome to train there for winter sports as well. Of course, any expenses should be paid for by your NOC. ;)

A totally different forum is very inconvenient. You have to check it as often as you check NS and it's hard to integrate with the rest of what one does on NS.

But many of us already do just that for our regional politics. Furthermore, the other forum would have the Upper Council as moderators, whom could set up threads by events located in threads that are venues. It would be a bit more shuffling around, but it also might feel more Olympic like.

The Upper Council *should* have the ability to edit posts in order to score / moderate the games. I'm sure they'll be fair.

NS Jolt forums then could be used for general annoucements and media events.

Every time event-specific forums are created, they fail. Cherry Cup 5, for instance, had about 5 RPers out of 30 nations, purely from being moved to external forums.

Regional and alliance forums are one thing, but new forums just for one thing are a bad idea, imho.

Plus, in other news, i forwarded my set of voters' votes to Mu-Muu.

Every time event-specific forums are created, they fail. Cherry Cup 5, for instance, had about 5 RPers out of 30 nations, purely from being moved to external forums.

Regional and alliance forums are one thing, but new forums just for one thing are a bad idea, imho.

I agree. If we move things elsewhere, fewer people are going to bother going there.

Well, it's gone 1AM over here, which means it's gone midnight GMT. Which means the host should have been announced yesterday. ;)

I'm off to bed now. The moment the host is announced, could they please post to specify whether they'll be using Krytenia's model for events, and, if not, post their own, in detail? Let's get on with this.

If possible, Cantr would like to register last minute participation in the Olympics, and offer the city of Sjoftich for the Summer Olympics at any future date.

It's my understandin thet anyone can sign up at any time. As these first games havent started as of yet, you should be in. Welcome to the Madhouse :D

...eh, I just realized I have no idea how this works...is there a thread where this was previously explained?

This is the discussion thread where we are deciding how it will all work. There is no other thread as of yet. It might be helpful to start at the beginning of this thread and catch up a bit.

I think Kry will be revealing the host within the next two hours, from what I understand.

I think Kry will be revealing the host within the next two hours, from what I understand.

Since a number of us have subscribed to this thread, if there are any new threads, could the Upper Council members please provide the links here. :)