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:sniper: :mp5: Our glorious military uses these incredible technologies.

Ground forces-

Commander/veteran battlesuits
http://www.hillcity-comics.com/role_play/gw/56-07.gif

Heavy railgun Battlesuits
http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Tau_XV88_Broadside_Battlesuit.gif

Scouts/commandos
http://members.tripod.com/halberdier_orc/pathfinderC_large.jpg
http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tau/gaming/tactica_tau/images/pathfinder_railgun_squad.gif

HoverTanks
http://www3.sympatico.ca/s_patterson/nwlgg/gallery/steve/vavesa.jpg
http://gt.us.games-workshop.com/Results_Coverage/Dallas/40k_singles/40K/WayneHeinrich_b.jpg

Dropship with interior detail
http://40kfanworld.de/html/modules/4nAlbum/album/htmlmodules4nAlb.tmlmodules4nAlbumalbumalbum3/gd72.jpg

Spaceships-

Barracuda Air and space superiority fighter
http://www.sphaerentor.com/wh40k/gallery/news/01_10_05_barracuda1.jpg

Manta missile destroyer w/ tanks
http://www.dysartes.com/rumours/specgames/images/thumbnails/epicmanta.jpg


various ground forces-
http://www.rowtiger.com/40K/conversions.jpg

airbase-
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/tigerlily.htm

tigershark-
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/rgts.htm

general shiplist with a few of our enemies ships-
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_BATTLEFLEET_GOTHIC_9.html

so have some :mp5:
:sniper: :gundge:

:sniper: :mp5: Our glorious military uses these incredible technologies.

Ground forces-

Commander/veteran battlesuits
http://www.hillcity-comics.com/role_play/gw/56-07.gif

Heavy railgun Battlesuits
http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Tau_XV88_Broadside_Battlesuit.gif

Scouts/commandos
http://members.tripod.com/halberdier_orc/pathfinderC_large.jpg
http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tau/gaming/tactica_tau/images/pathfinder_railgun_squad.gif

HoverTanks
http://www3.sympatico.ca/s_patterson/nwlgg/gallery/steve/vavesa.jpg
http://gt.us.games-workshop.com/Results_Coverage/Dallas/40k_singles/40K/WayneHeinrich_b.jpg

Dropship with interior detail
http://40kfanworld.de/html/modules/4nAlbum/album/htmlmodules4nAlb.tmlmodules4nAlbumalbumalbum3/gd72.jpg

Spaceships-

Barracuda Air and space superiority fighter
http://www.sphaerentor.com/wh40k/gallery/news/01_10_05_barracuda1.jpg

Manta missile destroyer w/ tanks
http://www.dysartes.com/rumours/specgames/images/thumbnails/epicmanta.jpg


various ground forces-
http://www.rowtiger.com/40K/conversions.jpg

airbase-
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/tigerlily.htm

tigershark-
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/rgts.htm

general shiplist with a few of our enemies ships-
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_BATTLEFLEET_GOTHIC_9.html

so have some :mp5:
:sniper: :gundge:


thats all great but isn't it supposed to be original artwork?

Yes yes it is...also given I have a tau army I find it ..bothersome.

sorry.
I did not know it had to be original artwork.
And i just love the tau!
:)

Just redraw it on your own & boom - ground chart material.

ok.
it will take a long time, so i will leave that list up until i can draw the ships.

What do you recommend is the best template for this? Like.... Paint or what?

A few people use Doga, I don't advise that personnaly but alot of people like it, now paint is an excelent place to start and you can create comprably good looking things to the creations done in paintshop ( I myself use paintshop 9, its learning curve is quite small) and photoshop in it, with a good example being Freethinker keeping with paint with all his various creations, you can also as GMCMA and a few others do simply draw, scan and clean and post it. With top down views for a begining I suggest just drawing one side of the craft whatever it is and mirroring.

So considering I can't draw at all, I suppose it's a good idea to use Paint then. ALright.

A few people use Doga, I don't advise that personnaly but alot of people like it, now paint is an excelent place to start and you can create comprably good looking things to the creations done in paintshop ( I myself use paintshop 9, its learning curve is quite small) and photoshop in it, with a good example being Freethinker keeping with paint with all his various creations, you can also as GMCMA and a few others do simply draw, scan and clean and post it. With top down views for a begining I suggest just drawing one side of the craft whatever it is and mirroring.


And what, prey tell, s the problem with Doga?

If you can't draw, I recommend DoGA. My graphic artistic qualities aren't worth faeces, but I can punch out a pretty decent (at least) ship with DoGA. Furthermore, if you know how to do it, you can create a pretty good ship/vehicle/aircraft/whatever in about 15 minutes or less. Large, highly detailed craft take longer, but are definitely possible. I once spent several hours on a space warship, which ended up having over 700k polys. I now have it as my desktop background.

DoGA is also a good choice if you want to try something else than Paint or Photoshop for a change, or if you want to design something you want to show from multiple angles.

edit: And here's the first batch of Neo-Athenian military materiel;

The Lunar Air Force mainstay VTOL fighter. (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1731/laffighter2mr.jpg) Length: 15m.
The Lunar Air Froce VTOL bomber. (http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6987/lafbomber3rj.jpg) Length: 14.5m. (the Fighter has a protruding gattling cannon up front, that also counts)
The Lunar Marine Corps APC. (http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8476/marineapc5io.jpg) Length: 20m.
The Lunar Marine Corps Light Anti-Infantry Attack Vehicle. (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9979/marineattackvehicle1ms.jpg) Length: 14m.
The "Slayer" field artillery unit. (http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2286/slayerfieldartilleryexport9wd.jpg) Length: 45m. This unit, like over 90% of the Neo-Athenian military industry, is constructed solely to be exported to planetside nations.

DoGA is also a good choice if you want to try something else than Paint or Photoshop for a change, or if you want to design something you want to show from multiple angles.

Or you can WANK! and use Shade, hee.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/GMC/King%20Cobra/KingCobra_image54smallb.jpg

I'll call length [gun forward] on the GDSF variant King Cobra as 11.8 metres. Doc, is the one below ok or do you need a re-render with no background?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/GMC/King%20Cobra/KingCobra_image52.jpg

Brand new:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/BrazenSSK.png

Brazen class, 80 metres.

Following are updates to old designs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/ArdentFF.png

Ardent class frigate, 156 metres.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/SabreDD.png

Sabre class destroyer, 210 metres.

Ok.. my Condor Mecha
at 16.4 meters tall.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/28131580/

Ok.. two more of the ANA stuff

the standard Dragonfish Power armour comes in at 2.1 meters

http://www.deviantart.com/view/19181058/


and the Makara Squad Support heavy armour at 3.4 meters

http://www.deviantart.com/view/23654471/

oh power armor.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/archangelfinal.jpg
1.8 meters
u can edit out the symbol <_< >_> and its PMT

oh also the FT version of the ArchAngel, the Super ArchAngel at 2 meters
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/superarchangel.jpg


and a MT drone, the B.E.T.A. at 2.5 meters
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/BETA.jpg

Standard ground charts updated. Same Urls.


Sorry TPM I just missed updateing your last two but I got in your archangel.

welll shoot... I was at work during the updateing, oh well I need to color my lynx and Panther II tanks anyways, but for now I'll throw im my Puma APV, in case therse a minor update somwhere along the road.

Puma APV-30 @8.7m (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/Hardware/afvcs.png)

Otagian FT smallcraft, too lazy to change acccounts.

Bumblebee Transport, 30 meters (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/bumblebee.jpg)

Paris II Drone Fighter, 10 meters (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/ParisIIcomparison.jpg)

Lynx II Light Tank @7.7m (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/Hardware/lynxIIc.png)

Panther II MBT @10m(hull)/13m(gun) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/Hardware/pantherIIc.png)

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1117/bd1final0qf.th.png (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bd1final0qf.png)

Star Point class battleship, length 940m. I suppose that makes it a dreadnought or super-dreadnought, really, but what the heck; I never liked those terms. *Wonders if he has the largest monohulled battleship on NS*.

Saracen MBT

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/SaracenHBT.png

11.5 metres including gun.

Saracen MBT

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/SaracenHBT.png

11.5 metres including gun.Wonderfully done Free... simply wonderful....

I'd like to submit a few for the land and ship charts.

Super Spartan Infantry Combat Vehicle at 7m

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/1082/superspartanlarge3wn.png

Banshee Main Battle Tank at 11.3m

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3384/bansheelarge9kr.png

Champion Class Fleet Carrier at 396.5m

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7522/cvnchampionnew0vw.png

Indomitable Class Trimaran-Hull Battleship at 304.88m

http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/5627/bbnindomitable35mt.png

Ocelot NGA (Next Generation Artillery) @10m(hull)/15m(gun) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/Hardware/ocelotc.png)

Harbinger Class http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=harbinger5gi.jpg
CDG (Guided Missile Cruiser)
Length: 420 ft.
Beam: 120 ft.
Draft: 80 ft.

Armaments:

Guns:
Main Battery: 3 9"x2 Turrets ( 6 barrels total)
Point Defense Battery: 6 radar guided HV 7.62mm Gatling Cannons

Missiles:
Main Battery: 64 Tomahawk launchers (4 cruise-missiles per launcher)
Secondary Battery: 10 Harpoon Missile Launchers (200 Missiles total)
Point Defense: 6 Hawk SAM launchers (12 per launcher)

ASW:
Torpedoes: 4 ADCAP launchers (4 Imp MK 48 torpedoes per launcher)
Depth Charges: 2 launchers

Superiala's Navy

48 D-class RPB/landingcrafts

http://www.marineschepen.nl/fun/images/foto131.jpg

Armed with 2 .50 bmg guns and small arms

38 M-class mine-sweepers

http://www.marineschepen.nl/fun/images/foto128.jpg

Armed with 2 .50 bmg guns and a 80mm gun on deck

22 J-class frigates

http://www.marineschepen.nl/fun/images/foto91.jpg

Length 120 meters

Armed with a 120mm gun, seasparrow missiles and asw-systems.


16 L-class provider ships

http://www.marineschepen.nl/fun/images/foto143.jpg

armed with anti-aicraft, asw systems and sea-sparrow

32 S-class frigates

http://www.marineschepen.nl/fun/images/foto81.jpg

Length 160 meters

Armed with a 120mm gun, cruisemissiles, seasparrow missiles and asw-systems.

6 R-class LPV heli-carriers

http://www.marineschepen.nl/fun/images/foto119.jpg

Length 118 meters,
Armed with seasparrows, 120 mm gun, anti aircraft weapons, and asw systems.


8 U-class Submarines

http://www.marineschepen.nl/fun/images/foto153.jpg

Length 100 meters
nuke's and torpedo's

2 A-class aircraft carriers

http://www.marineschepen.nl/fun/images/foto153.jpg

Armed with 100 F/A-35 JSF VTOL fighter aircraft each, anti-aircraft weapons and asw systems.

... do you see any other photos being submitted?

Why is this do you think?

Did you infact look at the charts?

In future before submitting

READ.
THE.
RULES.


Superiala ..your submission is rejected.

Arbitrator Class [Arbitrator] (http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5297/arbitrator9ai.jpg)
(CVN) Nuclear Aircraft Carrier

Length: 1,200 ft
Beam: 140 ft (average)
Draft: 60 ft

Weapons:

Guns:
Point Defense: 10 Phalanx Radar Guided AA gatling cannons (20mm). 1,500 rounds each

Missiles:
Main Battery: 10 SSM-24-C “Linx” Launchers, 8 Missiles each
Point Defense: 4 SA-18 “Tiger” Launchers, 12 Missiles each

Standard Air Wing:

x28 SU-27K “Flanker”
x20 F/A-18C “Hornet”
x14 TU-105 “Marvin”
x10 S-3B “Vikings”
x8 Seasprite ASW/Utility helicopters

Gorgon System Command Module

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Auman/Gorgon-Comparison.png

Measuring at 2095 meters in length, Gorgon is the first in a series of Command Modules to be manufactured.

A quick introduction to the soon to be created 'Nukez0R!', a long-range missile weapons platform with quick strike capacities and anti-air defenses of the Nuclear Light Weight Class:

Length: 75.6 m
Width (widest/smallest): 25.6m/20.1m
Speed: 38 nts
Weaponary: 10 AA turrets and 2x 125 megaton long-range nuclear missiles.


http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/708/nukez0r9aq.png

This model will soon be remodeled more into detail, as well as some new naval vessels will be added.



~ TNT! ~

To be "long" range and carry a warhead that at the least would be over 25 metric tons in mass you require a "missile" the size of Shuttle or an Ariane 5.

To be "long" range and carry a warhead that at the least would be over 25 metric tons in mass you require a "missile" the size of Shuttle or an Ariane 5.


Maybe in your nation, but as we live in radiative wastelands we've come up with quite some ingenious ways to use and refine radioactive materials. :rolleyes:

Hello, if I were to give you pictures of airships, would you make an airship comparison chart thing?

Added these designs:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1130/highspeedlandingcraft3iy.png
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/5341/heavybattlecruiser1dk.png

@Kol 25 I at this point am pondering simply merging it with the naval chart given the similar scales though I did originaly intend a larger air chart for +100 metre aircraft.


@ The Nuke Testgrounds Radioactive "waste" is not weapons grade material by a very very long shot, its not even usefull for nuclear thermal power generation and is next to useless for the pruposes of anything but a dirty bomb.

Weighing 27 tonnes the Tsar Bomba the only comparable real world weapon to your stated warheads. IT could have been a 100 megaton weapon but the outer layer was replaced with led to stop the god awfull fallout from the final fusion fission cycle, the end weight however was no diffrent from its intended U238 layer. Its weight is not a limit placed on it by a failure of soviet technology but the absolute amount of weapons grade fissionables needed to create the blast which even with more effective shaped charges is never going to drop that far. Shuttle can carry 25 metric tons. At 75 metres long I don't see that thing carrying one shuttle equivlent launcher much less 2. If you wish to discuss this further to the draftroom (http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx) with you.

@ The Nuke Testgrounds Radioactive "waste" is not weapons grade material by a very very long shot, its not even usefull for nuclear thermal power generation and is next to useless for the pruposes of anything but a dirty bomb.

Weighing 27 tonnes the Tsar Bomba the only comparable real world weapon to your stated warheads. IT could have been a 100 megaton weapon but the outer layer was replaced with led to stop the god awfull fallout from the final fusion fission cycle, the end weight however was no diffrent from its intended U238 layer. Its weight is not a limit placed on it by a failure of soviet technology but the absolute amount of weapons grade fissionables needed to create the blast which even with more effective shaped charges is never going to drop that far. Shuttle can carry 25 metric tons. At 75 metres long I don't see that thing carrying one shuttle equivlent launcher much less 2. If you wish to discuss this further to the draftroom (http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx) with you.

Kewl, I didn't know this. Having said that; my imagination obliterates your factual knowledge.:sniper:

You say it is not possible for a ship to carry such a load. You are correct, they cannot. Not at the moment in any case. With a greater knowledge of and a lot of research in the field of magnetism and superconductors my populace has succeeded in creating these ships.

If you still not agree, fine, I will change the specs. to your whishes and in compliance with 'reality'.

Ugh. I hate that word.

Reality.


*pukes*

Here's my first ever zepplin: http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9066/reconzepplin8on.jpg The Class Two Recon Zepplin, 20 metres long.

... yes and it shows.

:eek:

I assume this is concept art?

:eek:

I assume this is concept art?

Not to be rude, but I have to say "I hope so", unfortunately. That picture was BAD.

Please refrain from the use of smilies in this thread.

I know it's slightly improfessional, but what's so wrong with it?

Not meaning offence here - it's certainly better than any of my first attempts, which are too embarassing to be shown any longer :) - it's not of the standard Doc feels requisite, primarily in terms of detail.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and make a guess that you've not used Paint for this sort of thing much before, and are pretty unfamiliar with it and not sure how well it can be used for drawing stuff like that. Now, proceeding from that assumption (which is, I hope, correct) I'd give you a couple of bits of advice:

1) Experiment. Paint's not like drawing by hand; you can always not save the changes you just made, or hit Ctrl-Z and undo them. So don't be afraid to mess about with it, trying new things and imitating what others do.

2) Join Lineart Inc. (http://s13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/) and/or The NS Draftroom (http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom). People there will be happy to provide you with advice and help, especially on LAI which is a dedicated Lineart forum, (and is, despite appearances, active ;)).

3) Don't get discouraged, and that goes for you too, Nuke Testgrounds. We were all beginners once, producing drawings like yours (which, by the way, aren't bad for novices), and it takes a good long while to get as good as, say, Freethinkers or Doc (I know I've a long way to go yet, and I've been doing this for... what, 18 months now?), but it's worth it in the end.

I know it's slightly improfessional, but what's so wrong with it?

Well, it's rather undetailed [to the point it looks a little like a prop from South Park] and would look odd next to the other things on the chart. Take a look at some photographs of real zeppelins: there's plenty of detail you can add.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/GMC/Dreadnought-new2.jpg

Hell, just take a look there, for a start.

I just putz around with paint while I wait for more projects at work.

Here's a Future Tech spaceship: The "Arathusa" (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y293/jeudesprit/trinity/Trinitydreadnaught2.jpg), a old armored cruiser now refitted for duty as an assault transport. It max's at 797 meters overall length, max height 107 meters and max width at 230 meters.

Here's a link with just a sideview. (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y293/jeudesprit/trinity/TDN1.jpg)

Hope it's good enough.

It certianly looks good enough!

Are we allowed to apply with our own drawings of real ships (ie, Kirov BCGN done in AutoCAD)? Incidentally, if we may, how would I get the pic of my Kirov in Rhino3D into a format you can use? Thank you.

I don't see why not, if you rendered it that is...And my condolences for living in Surrey.

*Note: This player is from Coquitlam*

Its funny that everyone’s designing these giant ships that are even bigger then the USS Iowa. A battle ship is an inferior piece of weaponry its biggest problem is that no matter how big it is it can still be taken out by a smaller ship. I think the nations who are sinking money into giant battle ships will come to know and fear the power of the nation of Groovy Man's S.S. Puff Puff Cute Kitty.

http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=puffpuffcutekitty2pc.png

Groovy man']Its funny that everyone’s designing these giant ships that are even bigger then the USS Iowa. A battle ship is an inferior piece of weaponry its biggest problem is that no matter how big it is it can still be taken out by a smaller ship. I think the nations who are sinking money into giant battle ships will come to know and fear the power of the nation of Groovy Man's S.S. Puff Puff Cute Kitty.

http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=puffpuffcutekitty2pc.png

Not to be a big nerd here or anything, but most modern day Anti-Shipping Missiles cannot penetrate the hull of an Iowa class battleship, let alone any of these battleships.

And even then, they are so massive, you'd have to hit them dozens if not hundreds of times to do some real damage.

Not to be a big nerd here or anything, but most modern day Anti-Shipping Missiles cannot penetrate the hull of an Iowa class battleship, let alone any of these battleships.

And even then, they are so massive, you'd have to hit them dozens if not hundreds of times to do some real damage.

completly wrong and thank you for the military science lesson Canada please go sit down now.

Iowa class has a wooden deck

Groovy man']completly wrong and thank you for the military science lesson Canada please go sit down now.
Um.. care to post some proof then, rather than just attack me? I can see your time on these forums rather short.

Pheonix:
It does indeed, I'd imagine a sea-skimmer would have a tough time of it though.

the penguin helicopter launched anti-ship missile could sink the Iowa

Iowa class has a wooden deck

No it doesn't. The Iowa has wood panelling over a solid steel deck.

the penguin helicopter launched anti-ship missile could sink the Iowa

No it couldn't.

Groovy man']Its funny that everyone’s designing these giant ships that are even bigger then the USS Iowa. A battle ship is an inferior piece of weaponry its biggest problem is that no matter how big it is it can still be taken out by a smaller ship.

By which logic aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, frigates and everything bigger than a PT boat shouldn't exist either. A battleship has a number of advantages over any other combatant: for a start it's better at shore bombardment in support of amphibious landings than anything else and more cost-effective into the bargain.

There's also the fact that no modern battleships exist in the real world: the last ones in existence are from the Second World War. With modern armour, propulsion, anti-aircraft systems and SAMs, gun rounds and so on, a battleship would be an extremely effective combatant. The fact that none are being built in real life is mainly because the US has the only major blue-water fleet in the world, so fleet-versus-fleet engagements aren't likely in our lifetime: for NS nations, it's not like that.

That said, this thread isn't for discussing the relative merits of battleships, so if you want to carry this on I suggest you make a new thread for it.

the penguin helicopter launched anti-ship missile could sink the Iowa

Heh, thanks man, needed the laugh this morning.

However, roughly 50mm of RHA penetration against 200-500mm armour thickness tends to mean that a Penguin is gonna struggle. To do anything. Course, you could keep firing straight for a few days but to be honest I don't think you will get that opportunity.

how do my 2 drawings compare? (on page 36)

No it doesn't. The Iowa has wood panelling over a solid steel deck.



No it couldn't.



By which logic aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, frigates and everything bigger than a PT boat shouldn't exist either. A battleship has a number of advantages over any other combatant: for a start it's better at shore bombardment in support of amphibious landings than anything else and more cost-effective into the bargain.

There's also the fact that no modern battleships exist in the real world: the last ones in existence are from the Second World War. With modern armour, propulsion, anti-aircraft systems and SAMs, gun rounds and so on, a battleship would be an extremely effective combatant. The fact that none are being built in real life is mainly because the US has the only major blue-water fleet in the world, so fleet-versus-fleet engagements aren't likely in our lifetime: for NS nations, it's not like that.

That said, this thread isn't for discussing the relative merits of battleships, so if you want to carry this on I suggest you make a new thread for it.


Actually, GMC, the Russians still maintain three of their Kirov class vessel that they designate as battleships. They are more missile-armed battlecruisers than a true battleship, but they are still distinctly outside the destroyer, cruiser, and frigate classes. I think they are retiring one though, or retired it late last year. So now they only have three or soon will only have three.

The Kirov is a battlecruiser, but can destroy an entire American CBG by itself. Like most Russian naval vessels.. (i.e. the Oscar II)

Penguin? Are you kidding me? I was considering an ASM like the Exocet not the Penguin!

So back to the original discussion regarding how "stupid" the super dreadnought design is... well, if you have trouble sinking something the size of an Iowa, what about something five times its size with a much greater amount of armour?

lets see your research then, thats what the guide said at the USS new jersey


Ii also have internet sources stating the main deck of an IOWA class was 1.5 inches thick so who knows

http://www.voodoo.cz/battleships/usa/iowa.html


EDIT:Sometimes reading a SINGLE EXTRA LINE is sometimes worth it.

"Deck Main - 1.5", Deck 2nd - 4.75"-5" Class B + 1.25 STS""

The main armoured is always a single deck down in later battleships, allowing the top deck to work as a decapper plate for AP shell. Research is always a brilliant thing.

The following is also helpful:
http://www.combinedfleet.com/b_armor.htm
YOUR POINT IS MOOT --- THE PENGUIN ANTISHIP MISSILE PENETRATES UP TO 30 INCHES OF ARMOR AND HAS A TANDEM WARHEAD RENDERING the DECAPPER PLATE USELESS.
One hit to the engine room or magazine - boom

lets see your research then, thats what the guide said at the USS new jersey


Ii also have internet sources stating the main deck of an IOWA class was 1.5 inches thick so who knows

http://www.voodoo.cz/battleships/usa/iowa.html

Sometimes reading a SINGLE EXTRA LINE is sometimes worth it.

"Deck Main - 1.5", Deck 2nd - 4.75"-5" Class B + 1.25 STS""

The main armoured is always a single deck down in later battleships, allowing the top deck to work as a decapper plate for AP shell. Research is always a brilliant thing.

The following is also helpful:
http://www.combinedfleet.com/b_armor.htm

lets see your research then, thats what the guide said at the USS new jersey


Ii also have internet sources stating the main deck of an IOWA class was 1.5 inches thick so who knows

http://www.voodoo.cz/battleships/usa/iowa.html

The Iowa is effectively impregnable to any western anti shipping missile -- and stands a damn good chance against the heavier soviet ones too.
You seriously think that a battleship designed to attack the HIJMS YAMATO had a wooden deck or 1.5" of armour?

NO

Okay thats enough from both sides. Please take it to the Draftroom (http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx)

Sorry Doc - heh - it's not all bad news though: the Hood (http://www.deviantart.com/view/29437766/) is completed! At 1,631m and 16,500,000 tons, this stood as one of the larges capital ships in the world before it was sunk by the naval forces of MassPwnage. (Its' sister ships still exist, though: Horatio, Hornblower, Harwood, Holland, Harborough)

Wow. Just wow.

Tremendous job Questers.

You sparked a new obsession with your inclusion of damage shots. Just when I thought I was close to posting a brown water, post-modern "Monitor" class...

Darn you!

Thankz :P

The Iowa class battleship had a wooden deck OVER TOP of about a foot and a half of rolled homogenous steel.

But for god sake, quit debating, this thread is for submitting purdy pictures so they can be put on a chart and shared...and compared...thus the name, the NS Ship Comparison Chart.

Everyone has purdy pictures they want to show and this is the place to put it. If you feel you need to debate, start a new thread and edit your post so there is a link leading to it. FFS, nubs.

Insincerely yours, Marduk.

The Iowa class battleship had a wooden deck OVER TOP of about a foot and a half of rolled homogenous steel.

But for god sake, quit debating, this thread is for submitting purdy pictures so they can be put on a chart and shared...and compared...thus the name, the NS Ship Comparison Chart.

Everyone has purdy pictures they want to show and this is the place to put it. If you feel you need to debate, start a new thread and edit your post so there is a link leading to it. FFS, nubs.

Insincerely yours, Marduk.

Yeah, we kinda figured that out five posts ago.

The Hood, approximately 40 seconds before she sank.

Yeah, we kinda figured that out five posts ago.

The Hood, approximately 40 seconds before she sank.


Well, I only figured I would put in my 3 cents...as, I've done so twice already.

The Lunar Air Force mainstay VTOL fighter. (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1731/laffighter2mr.jpg) Length: 15m.
The Lunar Air Froce VTOL bomber. (http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6987/lafbomber3rj.jpg) Length: 14.5m. (the Fighter has a protruding gattling cannon up front, that also counts)

I just remembered I'd forgotten the propulsion methods for the aircraft.

The VTOL fighter (a.k.a. "Lunarhawk Fighter") and the VTOL bomber (a.k.a. "Lunar Eagle Bomber") are both VTOL aircraft with two vectored jet engines.

Does this serve a purpose other than looking awesome (which, by the way, it does)?

FT Ships
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/MegaPhoenix.png
Mega Phoenix Dreadnought, Length: 1,069 meters (one of a kind)
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/megphxclass.png
Mega Phoenix Class Super Battleship, Length: 1,000 meters
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/ultraphx.png
Ultra Phoenix Class Battleship, Length: 999 meters (one of a kind)
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/bigcarier33.png
Seville Class Carrier, Length: 900 meters
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/Heritage.png
Heritage Class Command Carrier, Length: 932 meters
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/solariscrrer.png
Solaris Class Carrier, Length: 920 meters
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/SuperPhoenix.png
Phoenix Class Super Battleship, Length: 681m
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/Phoenixbship2.png
Phoenix Class Battleship, Length: 666m
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/spartancrusier.png
Spartan Class Crusier, Length: 397m
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/Avenger.png
Avenger Class Destroyer, Length: 375m (roughly the same as devastator which is already on the chart)
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/interdictionclass.png
Interdiction Class Destroyer, Length: 335 meters
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/stryker.png
Stryker Class Corvette, Length: 170 meters
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS2/horent.png
Hornet Class Destroyer, Length: 369m

http://mars.walagata.com/w/artitsa/NEWSD4.PNG

Saratov Class SD, 1031m

Does this serve a purpose other than looking awesome (which, by the way, it does)?

Yes. When you do an RP, it's a lot easier to know what you're going against when someone like myself said "The MESV Final Victory has entered the naval battle," then you'd be able to see that it's a 1.2km long dreadnought with a carrier deck, not just some random battleship.

Mind you, it can be to show normal battleships too (and others). ;)

It all makes sense now...

...And use it to show off our designs too. Have to be completely honest. :p

...


Someone bring me my gun.

Trylaentolia - You better read the stickies, and read this thread at the beginning to understand what it's for. Try to be mature around here, because people around here tend to not treat newcomers well that don't look at the stickies. Sad but true.

Hmm you guys mind putting in The Washington class? Its about, 1.5 Km.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7282/sideview4dt.jpg

Thanks

Ship Class: Battleship
Name: Doppleganger M-01
Nation: Sparta Infensus
Link: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/KGBFaTaLsHoT/Dopple-Unfinished.png

This is my first NS Starship and fighter.

The Dauntless Class Battle Carrier
1.6 Km. long

Dauntless (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dauntlessclassbattlecarrier24b.jpg)

Dauntless pic 2 (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dauntlessclassbattlecarrier2zw.jpg)

The F-421 Griffin Space Superiority Fighter
around 32 m. long (giver or take)
F-421 Griffin (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f421ssf7lu.jpg)

and yes i used paint, i don't have the cash for a fancy design tool.

This is my first NS Starship and fighter.
...
and yes i used paint, i don't have the cash for a fancy design tool.

Just because it's made in Paint doesn't mean it has to be devoid of details. Half of those uber-hawt ships in these lists are made with paint.

Just because it's made in Paint doesn't mean it has to be devoid of details. Half of those uber-hawt ships in these lists are made with paint.

i didn't think they were to devoid of details. are they?

I think they were decently done. Alot better than no pic at all dont you thnik, and there have been far worse designs put forth on this thread in the past.

The fighter that Shattered Shield made is quite empty, actually. Pic a slightly darker shade of grey and add stuff - hatches, access panels, control surfaces, fancy doodads. Shading's also good. Both of these, properly used, can add depth to the pic.

well the reason the fighter is so "lackluster" is because i wasn't sure how large or small it would show up as in the list. but here is a nicer pic. and note the fighter has an internal missile bay, so you don't actually see them.

New F-421 pic (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f421ssf6rd.png)

question, to much detail?

No, it's good. It could use a little definition, though; but that could be a problem with the dark body color. The detail work isnt bad tho.

i just hope the details aren't botched when the pic is resized, that is if it is added to the spacecraft list.

[OOC: Perhaps you could make it more elegant and graceful, and perhaps do a side view of it?]

if i make it look more elegant and graceful it subtracts form its deadly look (IMHO). i don't want it to look too pretty. ;)

but a side view might be a good idea. that is if i can transfer an old sketch to my computer.

I don't know if this is good or not, but it's my first attempt at an F/A, so be gentle with criticism....
FADE here (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/TheRealGarf/FADE.jpg)

I didn't think it would be so small...the picture that is.
I only had basic Paint to work with, and no references, just for clarification.

it's good, it's just too bad it isn't in a view that can be posted on the list - either side of top views.

Yeah I should have read all the rules first.

It was hard enough doing the pic as it was on a laptop, with no mouse.
I think I'll wait until I'm off the road, and at a real PC to do top/side views.

That was on a laptop?!!! :eek:

Man, you're brilliant! :D

Now that aside, it seems a little curvy to me. Because of it, it seems a little cartoony. That aside, other than the fact that it can't be posted due to it being the wrong angle, it looks fantastic. I can't wait to see more. :D

http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/3392/isf12la9cu.png

ISF-12 Sturmfalke Air Superiority Fighter.

Two low bypass vectored turbofans, supersonic, MT.

It's 18.9 meters long from the tip of the nosecone to rear tips of the wings.

Please do your magic, Doc.

I don't know if this is good or not, but it's my first attempt at an F/A, so be gentle with criticism....
FADE here (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/TheRealGarf/FADE.jpg)

I didn't think it would be so small...the picture that is.
I only had basic Paint to work with, and no references, just for clarification.

Even though it's not a bad drawing, it's not Chart material, since it usually needs to be a top-down or side view of the aircraft.

This was inspired by a picture of "Michael" from Footfall.

Here it is. (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y293/jeudesprit/trinity/Csdb.png)

Hope you like it, just putzing around with paint.

-Now their was a new player. A new ship. It was hailed to be the largest ship in the entire world. Some spectators said that it was several miles long and many miles wide, and nearly five hundred feet tall. Others say that a ship of that size is of no need. But all know that this would bring anyone to its knees. The true size of the ship is almost ten miles in length. Five Miles wide. And almost fourteen hundred feet from the very bottom to the very tip-top of the flag post. Now, this new ship was roughly shaped like that of an Aircraft carrier. Though, there are several things different. For one example, it has anti-sub capability along with anti-missile and anti-air. It's ballistic missles are a factor to consider. The five hundred super-cannons atop the deck have the range and firepower to not only hit a fly from fifteen hundred miles, but to destroy anything within five miles of the fly. This was based on the speculation of one cannon firing one shell. Inside the haul, the new ship could carry a record of five hundred aircraft. The ship was not built for games, it was built for war. Many have dubbed it the "Obliterator", or the "War-Stopper". Those names are highly suiting, but there is one name that shouted above all. This was the "Dominator."-

Is this feasible, or even going to work at all?

I doubt its feasability or the ability to work for a number of reasons. Logistics would be one thing that would prevent it from going anywhere.

A ship that big will require basically its own offshore port to keep it in good condition, which would require construction of basically an entire new port city just to maintain this one new ship, as well as a crew most likely in the hundreds of thousands of people. It would cost massive amounts of money and resources to build, but in NS that part is technically possible. However, a number of things (Please note I'm no naval expert. I'm sure a naval expert could do a much better job of this than I could):

One, how would this ship turn? At ten miles long, for one thing it will be defying the curviture of the earth (Or have a really funny-shaped keel), and for another it would be basically unable to turn around without taking several days to do so.

With that much weight on one ship, it could well have a low enough keel to actually hit the bottom in some coastal areas, which would prevent it from docking anywhere. With that much weight, you'll need a lot of very big engines, which will consume a lot of fuel for your ship to move very, very slowly, and even a ship that big couldn't carry enough supplies to feed a crew as big as it would have and keep it going. It would essentially need an entire supply fleet just to keep it running, with convoys running from it back to its naval base.

Cannons firing with such precision 'to hit a fly' from fifteen hundred miles away? Not going to happen. I think the most people have ever made on NS is about a hundred kilometres. Not to mention the sheer size of these shells, destroying everything five miles away from it. Most nuclear bombs don't have that big a blast radius. On top of that, you want to fit five hundred of these on?



I think on basic principle even if you did decide to build this in spite of all the restrictions and purely bizarre things about it, most people (Even people who run Super-Dreadnoughts, which at about a kilometre long many people consider unfeasable) would ignore its existence. I probably would.

Hmm. How about it being a SubCarrier, or also known as A Submarine Aircraft Carrier?

Uh, I run the largest naval warship on NS at 1,920m long and 20 million tons..

Your description is that of a floating fortress, which is not a ship. My Hood, GMCMA's Yui, and various other incarnations of Supercapitals are widely accepted as the largest barrier between warship and floating fortress.

'The five hundred super-cannons atop the deck have the range and firepower to not only hit a fly from fifteen hundred miles, but to destroy anything within five miles of the fly.'

Not possible.

'This was based on the speculation of one cannon firing one shell.'

Um. Since when has a naval cannon fired less or more than one shell?

SO yes, what you are talking about is a floating fortress, NOT a ship.

I know that.

Point of order this is not the "discriptions of super ships that in theory may or may not be used in game" if you want that go here (http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx) . This is the big chart thread whos submission rules are quite clearly stated upon the first page.

A discription donnay cut it Dephire.

SO yes, what you are talking about is a floating fortress, NOT a ship.

Actually, I'd say 'island' is more appropriate, considering this thing's going to be resting her keel on the seabed and isn't ever going to go anywhere.

Prince of Aralonia-class battleship, 456 meters long.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6554/princeofaraloniatieriiic6mq.png

Here is The Volna. The largest Coal Steamer ever - Lets not get into an arguement about it's propulsion, thats already been done.
Unfortunately it's still not entirely finished. I still have tiny details and the stats to do.
1410m at waterline, it's still quite big.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7463/zrkvolnafinished2is.th.png (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zrkvolnafinished2is.png)

Point of order this is not the "discriptions of super ships that in theory may or may not be used in game" if you want that go here (http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx) . This is the big chart thread whos submission rules are quite clearly stated upon the first page.

A discription donnay cut it Dephire.

Hey Doc, any idea on when you're going to update this here chart?

I'll holler at him on IRC, see if that gets us anywhere.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/Velkie/Battleship-2.png

V.S.S. Ascendant Justice, 1.8km, fifth largest naval vessel on NS.

Heres on for you. The Vickers Weapon Systems Imperium Ultra Class Star Destroyer. 260 kilometers.

http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/cgi-bin/i/Drawings/SW/Imperium.gif

Is that your image? Because Im fairly sure your not the artist, further did you read the rules about submissions? Because that most certainly doesnt qualify.

Further its outside the sane size for use in FT. It is infact ..mockably silly.

Am only having a laugh mate sorry, dont fell threatend by my bigger things :P

Ok... how about these?

Heavy Battleship(s)
Californian BBGN-65 Washington, California Class Type-1 Heavy Super-Battleship (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/Californian_BBGN-65_Washington.gif) (Revised September 20, 2006)
Length: 335.28m/1,100ft
Draught: 45ft.
Width: 305ft. (this is a trimaran)

Heavy Carrier(s)
Californian CVN-77 Sandra M. Devnostraeva, Los Angeles Class Heavy Super-Carrier Type-2 (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/Californian_CVN-77_Sandra_MDev.gif) (Revised September 20, 2006)
Length: 402.34m/1,320ft
Draught: 41ft
Width/Beam: 375ft.

Just checking, is this still going on? The thread creator's account expired, so I was curious if this is still going on.

I sure hope so; it's a great collection. :D

Yes in theory it is and I really must update (which I can even though knoots account has gone inactive).

Alright, after looking at the Type-1 and noticing that some changes needed to be made, I've ended up creating the Type-2. This newer version of the California Class Heavy Battleship features an ASW helo considering that enemy subs will try and sink this ship, and the Combat Information Center located just behind the second forward turret.

Also, for any nations wishing to purchase any battleships from California, we will only be selling the Type-1 version… that is, until we create a Type-3.

Heavy Battleship(s): Type 2
Californian BBGN-69 Arizona, California Class Type-2 Heavy Super-Battleship (http://ii113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/Californian_BBGN-69_Arizona.gif) (Revised September 20, 2006)
Length: 365.76m/1,200ft
Draught: 45ft.
Width: 305ft. (this is a trimaran)

There's probably a reason why each of the ship classes listed in the chart is listed only once.

Um, Sovereign California, copying Freethinkers went out of style 20 pages ago when we caught Artitsa doing it. I highly suggest you rethink your 'I take parts from other people's drawings' policy.

For the record... I got the ideas for my ships from Rifts Vehicles: Pre-Rifts Vehicles (http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts-Pre-Rifts-Vehicles.htm). I just tweaked the artists original designs until it became something entirely of my own. The only thing that I borrowed from Freethinker was the top of the superstructure on my battleship that I will admit to borrowing from his Ankara/Berlin CGN class. the rest is purely mine.

Also, Questers... Freethinker would even admit to taking art from the guy I am getting mine from... his earlier ships heavily resembled those from the site I listed above... the only thing we have done is change the original design so much that it doesn't even resemble the artist's original work.

*shrugs* I just figured I'd throw the designs out there for potential buyers, Scolo.

Um, Sovereign California, copying Freethinkers went out of style 20 pages ago when we caught Artitsa doing it. I highly suggest you rethink your 'I take parts from other people's drawings' policy.

Umm.. what? Copying Freethinkers?

So I borrowed two pieces from his Ankara/Berlin CGN class... two goddamned pieces... it's not like I took an entire ship and changed the colors on it.

Questers, Do you want me to replace the pieces I took from Freethinkers Ankara/Berlin CGN class? It will look similar to the current design, but it will be original.

Taking even parts of other player's work without asking is poor form, and has been addressed recently in a moderation thread (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499274) should any be interested. Doing your own work and making a note that the design was inspired by whomever one would think, is another matter - so long as the work there is yours - but credit should always be given, and hopefully, permission asked for previous, I would think.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong there, folks.

Yes, well, I know Freethinker did take alot of inspiration from Kitsune, but nevertheless, taking stuff other people has drawn is poor form, as Nathi pointed out, not just because it makes it look like you can't draw it yourself, but it looks like blatant copying. Because of the similar drawing style that you share with Kitsune and Free, it does look like plagiarism - mostly because very few people who art actually mention Kitsune, even if he is uber. Its your choice if you want to replace, I suppose.

Sorry if my tone was rather aggressive, but within the linearting community we pounce on what we might see as a potential plagiarism, again as Nathi pointed out. I hope that fact can be excused as I have realised we do have somebody with potential!

Question, is there a particular reason why you styled your turrets like the Bismarck? Its odd, because I see very few people do this.

Alright, after making considerable changes, I have created the Type-3. After mostly changing the shape of the super-structure (for originality) and adding some missile tubes, and a replacing the sensor array aft of the super-structure so that it fits the Post-Modern era California is in. I also replaced the smaller secondary turrets with something that can deliver a little more firepower and a heavier punch to keep up with the classification of these being 'Heavy Battleships'. The bridge has been fixed after realizing that the doors were only half the size they should have been. After re-positioning the bridge and working out the problem with the door height, that got squared away. I also replaced the radome on the port & starboard sides with another secondary turret. I also replaced those Bismarck-esque turrets with something befitting the Post-Modern era.

Also, I did say that I would be selling Type-2's once I created a Type-3. So now... any nations wishing to purchase any battleships from California, we will only be selling the Type-1 and Type-2 versions… that is, until we create a Type-4.

Heavy Battleship(s): Type 3
Californian BBGN-70 Utah, California Class Type-3 Heavy Super-Battleship (i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/Californian_BBGN-70_Utah.gif)
Length: 365.76m/1,200ft
Draught: 45ft.
Width: 305ft. (this is a trimaran)
Inspired largely in part by Kitsune's BCG Type 582 Mackensen class Battlecruiser

Is this better?

If it's still going on, I have some submissions for the aircraft chart.
F9 Bishop Air Superiority Fighter (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Gizeh/F9Multiview-1.png) - 2 thrust vectored jet engines, PMT, with a top speed above mach 3. 22 meters long.

I'll be posting some soon, but I just want confirmation that this is still going on; one of my ship designs were never posted.

P.S. I also have updates for existing ones.

Just in case anyone wants to know... the stats for the California Class Heavy Battleships Types 1 thru 3 can be found here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/California_Class_BBGN).

Here's a new addition to the Californian Federation's Navy.

Heavy Carrier(s)
Californian CVN-78 Los Angeles, Los Angeles Class Heavy (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/Californian_CVN-78_Los_Angeles.gif)Super-Carrier Type-2
Length: 448.05m/1,470ft
Draught: 41ft
Width/Beam: 375ft.

Questers, I never knew you were Hogsweat! :P You bastage!!!

>.>

Matt/Questers, do you have AIM or know Sarzonia's AIM? Also, off topic, I've revised my Type-1 & Type-2 Heavy Battleships.

Ok... I have always been curious about what the hell the Jahre Viking was... So now that I know that I have to pass up 458.42m/1,504 ft. to surpass that gargantuan monster of a ship... I'll be brainstorming my ideas. For something of I'd like to deem a Heavy Assault Carrier or something like that.

And technically, your HMS Hood cannot be used because it's 912m longer than what ZMI said would qualify (1,000m)... which means my largest ship has 551.95m left to spare to become the largest that would be accepted on his chart.

Matt... can you, Praetonia or Sarzonia please validate me on the damned NS Draftroom Forums please!!! :)

During the year 2231 the Californian Imperial Navy was in the process of reviewing proposals and designs for multi-role vessels for the nation's revamped navy. California's Navy, having used vessels that were carryovers from the former United States of America continued refitting and modifying these vessels until it had become apparent that new vessels were indeed needed. From then the Californian Imperial Navy decided to go outside of the box and build vessels that were different from its previous 'conventionally designed' vessels and set out to build brand new vessels from scratch. During this time the CIN's Design Bureau accepted several designs to become the mainstays of its Atlantic & Pacific Fleets as well as its Arabian Sea Fleet.

With the completion of the shipyards in Monterey, California, CSDSF the in the year 2070, the CIN's capacity to build larger more powerful vessels instead of performing major/minor ship refits began to produce several ships, most notably those vessels of the California Class BBGN, the Los Angeles Class CVN and the Imperial Phoenix Class SDN.

This latest vessel, christened the Imperial Phoenix Class, California's first Dreadnaught was approved for construction and on August 1, 2244 construction began and was completed on September 24, 2259 at the Monterey Californian Shipyards at Monterey, California, CSDSF.

This vessel is to be one of the largest vessels ever built by California's Navy, combinging the classifications of a Troop Transport, Carrier and Super-Battleship... this has basically become... California's first dreadnaught.

Dreadnaught(s):

Californian SDN-01 Imperial Phoenix, Imperial Phoenix Class Dreadnaught (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/Californian_Imperial_Phoenix_SD-01.gif) (Revamped: December 16, 2006)
Length: 750m/2,460ft.
Draught: 21.33m/70ft.
Width: 161.54m/530ft. (this is a trimaran)
Inspired largely in part by Freethinkers BBCVN Leviathan Dreadnaught

Check this out LMAO!

Imperial Phoenix SD-01
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/Californian_Imperial_Phoenix_SD--1.gif
Utah BBGN-70
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/Californian_BBGN-70_Utah-1.gif

Imperial Phoenix SD-01: 750m/2,460ft.
Utah BBGN-70: 365.76m/1,200ft

My Imperial Phoenix SDN's are slightly more than twice the size of my California Class BBGN's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Gizeh/FA11Multiview.png

FA 11 'Deacon' Strike Fighter.

18 meters long, top speed of mach 2.8, swingwing, thrust vectored nozzels. PMT.

Those FA 11 Deacons look so kisk a$$
do you sell those to sovereign nations?

Those FA 11 Deacons look so kisk a$$
do you sell those to sovereign nations?

Somewhere down the line I'll open a store front. In the mean time, once I fill up a full writeup for it, I'll sell you some.

Unfortunately, i'm a notorious flake.

Hi there, I have a question as i am new here. Is it possible for other countries to buy the units shown here???

Somewhere down the line I'll open a store front. In the mean time, once I fill up a full writeup for it, I'll sell you some.

Unfortunately, i'm a notorious flake.

i'm a bit of a flake as well, hence the long wait for my reply. (i've been sick actually, my sinuses again)

holy moly lol that is hot most of them are like unrealy but they are awesome dude dam, oh yea this is my first post so hi everybody!

Hi there, I have a question as i am new here. Is it possible for other countries to buy the units shown here???

I'd recommend looking for the player's storefront, or if they don't have one telegramming the player to see if they are availible to purchase.


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Hi there guardians of the skye.

hi, from me as well

hang on 2-3 days, my ships arnt the best looking here but they dont look like the toy ships a coulpe pages ago:p

i have 1 BB but it wont show for a notably long time here

3-4+ NS years

and i need to refine my other ships more


I can post atleast 1-2 ships by thursday


the legon of tara's big thing is aircraft cariers

I liiiive.

I liiiive.

LIES

LIES

If I could actually edit my posts that would be nice though. :/

I liiiive.

Yay! The Return of the Knoot. :)

Well, Knoot ol' buddy if you'd somply resurrect your nation that might help :P

Well, Knoot ol' buddy if you'd somply resurrect your nation that might help :P

He did.

Hurrah! We have a Knoot back. This is indeed a happy day. Good to have you back, Knoot.

<< OOC: The larger versions (as in when you click to expand the picture to a larger view) of the ship-comparison charts seem to be down. Is there any estimate on when those might be back up? >>

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zomg! Your return might actually be enough to draw me back out of hiding too! =)

(ps, Valinon...I know, I know >.< *slaps self*)

Don't do it Ian, it's a trap! ;)

I point you all to Lineartinc (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/), an active nationstates linearting community where you can get critique from the best linearters on NS.

Don't do it Ian, it's a trap! ;)

tuberculosis!?! I mean, Tanah Burung!? You're back too?!

W00t all the old crew!!! <3

I'm still posting from the Twillight Zone by the way. Not to mention addicted to World of Warcraft and the wonderful RP people there. >_>

Still, I hope to take this up a bit as well!

Three ships from the navy of Her Majesty's Commonwealth Government of Bautizar.

I realize that the size of the capital ships might be somewhat controversial, but as can be seen from the more detailed military posting found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511780), these vessels are small in numbers but designed to form the core of the navy for both long-range and close-to-home work. As such they carry substantial amounts of supplies, production facilities (fighters and munitions only), munitions, fighters, et cetera. And that's even with a dedicated logistical vessel traveling with them (most of the time).

Unity-class battlecruiser (1052.0m)

Spirit of Fire-class cruiser/carrier (1152.0m)

Marathon-class light cruiser refit (500.0m)

EDIT:I've temporarily removed the image links, as I'm conducting a substantial revamp in appearance of my ships. (Found a computer program to create my own with, so I'm having fun.) Right now I don't have any images of the vessels on a solid-white background, so until they're done the images are unavailable. Should be fixed by 20070122 at the very latest. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Well, uh, if you checked the super big chart...I think ZMI has a ship that's about 14km. So, bet your numbers are fine. I got a ship that's a little under twice the size of the Unity.

In a future RP I'll be bringing out a ship that is about four-five times longer than the Executor. It won't be part of any navy or any Empire or even related to my nation at all, but will be a key plot device to several RPs and hopefully become one of the 'wandering giants' of the galaxy that people try to stay the hell away from, even if it does mostly ignore the other ships of the galaxy.

Seeing it's size would throw off the charts in the first post to a huge degree(see link below), plus the fact that the ship isn't a military vessel but is a ship designed to wander between the Local Group of galaxies without trouble, I'm wondering if I should submit it at all.

http://www.st-minutiae.com/misc/comparison_huge.gif

The ship in question is based off the look and size of V'Ger. So, should I make an official submission? I can't give details on origin or who controls it, as that would ruin the thread for anyone whose seen the post, so I won't be making an official submission until that thread is up and the secret is out, but since I'm looking at the thread and I'm thinking about the ship... what say you all?

Presenting the first vessel of the Royal Masgtaian Navy, His Imperial Masgtaian Majesty's Ship "Trebuchet".

9000 tons, 600 feet long with a 60 feet beam.

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s53/masgtai/cruisers/?action=view&current=HIMMSTrebuchet.jpg

Actually, thats a good idea, maybe we could have a seperate list for ships that are 'Plot Devices'?

This here vessel is in fact the largest vessel the Californian Imperial Navy has built to date:

Supercapital(s): (Revised: July 17, 2007)
Californian SD-04 Vengeful Phoenix, Vengeful Phoenix Class Supercapital (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/CalifornianVengefulPhoenixSD.gif)
Length: 1,625m/5,330ft.
Draught: 30.5m/100ft.
Width: 250m/820ft.

Hi. I hope I am doing this right. This is my nations primary interstellar and intergalactic fighting vessel, the SparrowHawk class Battlecruiser. I have put a scale under one of the longitudinal views. Just erase whatever parts of the image you do not need. My nation is the Empire of Relannae, or just Relannae. If this is the correct format, I wil starm modeling and rendering some of the other classes in their fleet. Thanks and please let me know if this comes out ok. I have to link to it using my renderosity gallery page so I hope this works right. Her is the link anyways

http://www.3dcommune.com/3d/galview.mv?Carrara_RDS+8trChyCYg+1173886807+&v_index=1&nd=1164390837

Hi. I hope I am doing this right. This is my nations primary interstellar and intergalactic fighting vessel, the SparrowHawk class Battlecruiser. I have put a scale under one of the longitudinal views. Just erase whatever parts of the image you do not need. My nation is the Empire of Relannae, or just Relannae. If this is the correct format, I wil starm modeling and rendering some of the other classes in their fleet. Thanks and please let me know if this comes out ok. I have to link to it using my renderosity gallery page so I hope this works right. Her is the link anyways

http://www.3dcommune.com/3d/galview.mv?Carrara_RDS+8trChyCYg+1173886807+&v_index=1&nd=1164390837

Miles are primitive, you should use Kilometers like the rest of the world...anyway...

It's a fine design and I for one enjoy it.

It's big.

I am one of those old folks who has trouble visualizing kilometers since they didn't teach it in school when I was young. As a result I prefer to use the Royal system. I'm glad you like the image. Im modeling a few small craft now. I think I should have the models ready to render in a few weeks.


Miles are primitive, you should use Kilometers like the rest of the world...anyway...

It's a fine design and I for one enjoy it.

It's big.

There are 1,600 meters to a mile, or 1.6 kilometers to the mile. So your ship is 8.9152 kilometers long.

Thanks. I know how to do the math, I just have trouble visualizing the length so I usually stick to Royal measurements. Thi isn't the largest ship in the fleet by any means. A class called the Gigastar carries Sparrowhawks like fighters. One Gigastar can carry 10 squadrons of 10 Sparrowhawks each. They operate as a battle support tender and dreadnought after launching their sparrowhawks at a safe distance from the battle. The Sparrowhawk has an average crew of 10,000 Command Crew for all three shifts, 25,000 General crew, 30,000 ship's troops, and an average of 20-30 thousand crew dependants (families). So imaging that many people times 100ships plus the main crew for the Gigastar.. It is HUGE!!! The empire only has one of these enormous ships left but maybe Ill dig up the model of it and do a render.

There are 1,600 meters to a mile, or 1.6 kilometers to the mile. So your ship is 8.9152 kilometers long.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Gizeh/F-15ortho.gif

FA 15 Cardinal.

26.26 meters long.

Strike fighter.

PMT(more MT+1), thrust vectoring.

Nice design and looks like something which could conceivably be an offshoot of the older F15 Eagle design. I like the variable sweep forward canards.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Gizeh/F-15ortho.gif

FA 15 Cardinal.

26.26 meters long.

Strike fighter.

PMT(more MT+1), thrust vectoring.

I apologize for the inactivity as of late, However... I have been working long hours lately to facilitate my ability to purchase myself a new computer. Once this new computer has been procured (what with the amount I have been getting paid, I predict that completion of this objective will be executed via May 24) I will eventually get around to executing a full-scale revision of the SD-04 Vengeful Phoenix, Vengeful Phoenix Class Supercapital. All in all, I have found that while it suits its purpose, its actual design leaves alot to be desired.

All of its design specifications will remain the same, however the only difference will be a more sleeker, and more effective naval vessel/gun platform as a whole.

well, sence my ships are crap, I've started looking over all of yours and updating the looks of MY ships to TRY to be as good as yours, I also bashed a few ships togather but those are to give me something to judge my units on,

I hope i can get as good as you guys some time.

I should note that this project ended well over a year ago, and its unlikely to be coming back any time soon. Most of the design artwork done on NS now is located here (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?act=idx).

I should note that this project ended well over a year ago, and its unlikely to be coming back any time soon. Most of the design artwork done on NS now is located here (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?act=idx).

I'm actually thinking about starting a new chart myself. I've already rendered my current ships for just that purpose.

we are providing you with the description of our Intersteller Craft.
we think that this is a great idea so that friendly nations do not mistake each others craft during wartime or peace.

Schwullunde Intersteller Craft
[img=http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/53/schwullundeinterstellerry2.jpg] (http://imageshack.us)

B22 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Gizeh/B22-Top-view.gif)

bomber, MT, 4 jet engines, subsonic.

96.63 meters long, 95.59 meter wingspan.

What is this stuuf any way?

What is this stuuf any way?

Look at the first page. Click on the charts. You will realize that there seem to be pictures...these pictures are anything from Ocean Vessels to Space Craft. Battle Tanks to Aircraft.

You will also notice that they are of different sizes and that names appear under them.

You may put these facts together in the sense that the larger a picture is the larger the hypothetical vehicle is. In addition, you may also come to the realization that the names beneath the photographs represent the player nation that created them as original works of art.

I ain't dead

I ain't dead

Note to self: Use moar explosives next time.

Yeah, I fully agree with Crimm and Dargonese. I think we should have a list for ships, planes, tanks, etc... that are 'plot devices' as the SD-04 Vengeful Phoenix is still in the prototype stages as we are conducting a massive retrofit and revision of the overall vessel itself. I found that while the previous design would suit the idyllic purpose I have for this particular vessel class, the placement and sheer size — not to mention the quantities — of its weapons the previous design would be more of a wankfest for those who worship sheer overkill.

That aside, this vessel won't pop up until the revision is complete (which means a week or so from now) so while the previous design is listed, I would prefer to have it viewed as more of a prototype design.

Alright, while this may be a re-post of previously posted information, I have finally finished my revisions on the Vengeful Phoenix Supercapital/SD. So now — not only is this the largest vessel class the Californian Imperial Navy has to date — this vessel class is now more sleeker, some of the armaments have been reduced or even removed to make this a more efficient platform for the purpose it will be fulfilling here in the not too distant future.

Supercapital(s): (Revised: August 18, 2007)
Picture Size:
Californian SD-04 Vengeful Phoenix, Vengeful Phoenix Class Supercapital (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/Californian_VengefulPhoenix_SD.gif) (10310 × 1188)

Californian SD-04 Vengeful Phoenix, Vengeful Phoenix Class Supercapital (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/California-ZeroOne/Californian_VengefulPhoenix_SD-1.gif) (1024 × 118)

Length: 1,625m/5,330ft.
Draught: 30.5m/100ft.
Width: 250m/820ft.

I know this chart is currently inactive, but if it is ever updated, here is a group of pre-scaled ships to add.

shipchartmodern.png 631x493 px, 58,8kb (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/shipchartmodern.png)

The Phoenix Class Aircraft Carrier, Volcano Class Arsenal Ship and Sea Horse Attack Submarine are already on the chart, but I would like them replaced with the new versions. The other ships have been properly scaled to the latest chart's dimensions so I have done most of the work to make it easier to add, although I gave up trying to find the matching font :/

It's more for my own reference than anything else I suppose...

Please do not cut off the red parts of the hulls, the waterline has been cut off already.


Oh and if there ever is an update, you could remove my Zero Class cruiser... aside from having the wrong name it looks awful :o
Also, the Sunfire Class Battleship is not a BB so please don't add "BB". If Battleship doesn't fit "Sunfire Class" will suffice.
That's all for now.
Thanks.

Target 1 post above and closing! Load sabot! Service target!

I ain't dead

So, how's that update coming along?

i've got a warship:
"my whole nation"
(island made of of pumice-like floating concrete, circular, 15km diameter, 800m thick)

This is one of the newest additions to the Flatvian Navy.
The Alliance Class Attack Cruiser. So far 10 of these vessels have been commissioned.

Length: 643ft (195m)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb240/ParkerDE/AllianceClassAttackCruiser.jpg

Two more recent additions.
The Devestator Class Hunter Killer submarines.

Length: 560 ft (170m)

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb240/ParkerDE/DevestatorClassHK.jpg

I know no one is probably even still paying attention to this thread, but I'll post this anyway.

Eagle Class
Helicopter Carrier

Length: 258.4m
Beam: 38.5m

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb240/ParkerDE/EagleClassHC.jpg

Current units include: FNS Eagle HC-01, FNS Falcon HC-02, FNS Hawk HC-03, FNS Albatros HC-04, FNS Peregrine HC-05, FNS Phoenix HC-06.

A slightly larger improved design is currently under consideration.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff246/peacemaker94/AniaLander.jpg
This is the High Altitude Armored Transport (HAAT) It is capable of flight as high as 16 miles above the Earths Surface at speeds of 600+MPH.
Length: 24.0 M
Width: 12.8 M

Is that this Tyderean Class I've been hearing about? lol.

How do you people draw these things? They're all so beautiful.*stares in awe

people can draw cause either they got talent or they were just born to draw beatiful

Quick question.

Are these vessels displayed available for "purchase" from the vessel's creator's nation? Say for instance I see a nice submarine on the chart and want one for my military, would that mean I could role play a purchase from that other country or what?

In most cases you can try to contact the designer; more often then not they are on sale, although if you dig deep in the thread some of the designs may be defunct and no longer available.


Even though it's not complete: M3

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Gizeh/M3inan.png

Hull length 9.533 meters, from frontal arc to taillight cover, not from muzzle to aux gas can. Scale 85.7 pixels/meter.

Are these ships able to sold to a navy? I don't get it. If so, we would like to buy some. :confused:

The Flatvian Defence Materiels Organisation is always interested in the comments and opinions of foreign military officials. Parties interested in obtaining more information about these designs or indeed any others that Great Flatvia may have, should contact us. While of course no agreements can be made here, we are always interested in what other govermnets may have to offer.

The Flatvian Nation Navy wishes to announce the completion of the Archer Class missile ships as detailed below.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb240/ParkerDE/ArcherClassa.jpg

Vizhez Shipyards has now completed two Type 2a Destroyers for the Vizhez Naval Fleet.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6008/destroyertc9.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg274/tactical_solutions/F1020FFG-1.png

1020 class Guided Missile Frigate

First of class to be laid down within the year.

Vizhez might I suggest you increase the draft of your new destroyers. Otherwise the first time someone on them sneezes they might capsize.

As the ships have already been completed, making changes to the design at this stage would be too costly to be practical. However, your suggestion has been noted for future ventures.

Then I do hope that these ships do not have such an occurance, occur. If such an occurence does occur, with the range of any vessel of the Flatvian National Navy, be assured that we shall render any and assistance that we can.

ANNOUNCEMENT:
From the Glorious United Socialist States of Efronmurillo
Ministry of Defence

The USSE is proud to announce that at 10:00 Efronmurillan Standard Time on 06 April 2008 the Efronmurillan Socialist Congress has approved the creation of two new Carnes Class Cruisers. The Cruisers will be commissioned within the year at the USSE's superior darkyards at Jaredia Bay.

The Carnes Class Cruiser is the same as the famous ES -271 'PERSPICACIOUS' the pride of the USSE fleet.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa72/JPMcQueensPhotos/ES271.jpg

She is 850 ft long (28 ft short of the USS New Jersey) and is heavily armed with 10 Shore Bombardment/Gun Batteries (A total of 37 Cannons, 24 fore and 13 aft), 12x Phalanx, 14x Torpedo system and 24 Anti-Aircraft Missile Bays.
This vessel is designed to protect the island nation and to cast dominance over its seas

The USSE is also pleased to announce that it will soon be commissioning details of all its main sea vessels. Such details to serve as an active deterrent for hostile nations.

This expansion in naval power now brings the USSE's fleet up to the following numbers:
Carnes Class Cruisers: 6
Jaredia Class Destroyers: 10
Maisey Class Frigates: 10
Jesse Class Diesel Submarines: 2
Plus various small patrol, assault and support craft.

http://www.editthis.info/images/nova/5/5a/Prevoygrad-Class_original.PNG

My only current battleship class (see http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=2449)

I have five ships to add to the roster :) Here they are, with schematics. Currently working on more ships.

Freeman Class Aircraft Carrier.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/FreemanClass.jpg

Ship Type: Aircraft Carrier

Length Overall: 1,120ft
Beam: 140ft
Draft: 50ft

Propulsion: 2 Nuclear Reactors.

Armament:

2 RAM Launchers
4 Close-In Weapon Mounts
2 SAM Launchers

Aircraft Carried: 95

Notes:

The only Carrier class within the Steudlton Navy. Currently 12 in
service. The only Steudlton ship that DOES NOT feature Gun Tubs or
a Fly Bridge. It is, however, the only Surface Ship to be powered
with a Nuclear Reactor.

The Freeman Class' "Island" is flanked by a Main Pump House (Aft)
which stores the AFFF and FFFP tanks. Also stored in the Main Pump
House is the firefighting equipment for the immediate response teams.

The Island is also flanked by an Auxiliary Pump House (Forward) Which
holds extra pump for the fire mains. The Fire Control Systems for the
Defensive Armament is also held within the Aux. Pump House.

Each pump House is topped with a Water Cannon for deluging any fires.
The water cannons are connected to the Fire Mains with a 6in Supply
Line. Systems are also in place to allow for the Water Cannons to
be supplied with either an AFFF or FFFP Solution.

The Freeman Class has 3 Aircraft elevators. 1 Port, 2 Starboard. There
are 4 Steam Catapults for launching Carrier-borne Aircraft.

========================================================

Nephi Class Cruiser
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/NephiClass-1.jpg

Ship Type: Aircraft Cruiser

Length Overall: 530ft
Beam: 50ft
Draft: 11.5ft

Propulsion:
Two screws driven by 60Mw (80,461Hp) Diesels

Armament:
1 8in Multipurpose (Forward)
1 3in AA (Aft Battery)
6 .50 Cal AA (2 Aft, 4 Forward)

Aircraft:
2 Attack Helicopters (1 in Hangar. 1 On Helipad)
OR 1 Attack Helicopter (Hangar) AND 1 Rescue Helicopter (Pad)
OR 1 Attack Helicopter (Hangar) AND 1 VTOL Fighter/Attack (Pad)

Notes:

The Nephi Class is one of the smallest ships found in the Steudlton
Fleet. They are also the rarest ships, currently 6 in service.

A small hut can be found atop the Midships House serving as the Fly
Bridge. A concept that is lost on most modern warships, but a
trademark of the Steudlton Navy.

Another outdated concept is that of the .50 Caliber AA guns in the Gun
Tubs. Primarily used for close-range AA against slow moving aircraft,
they may also serve as Anti-personnel guns to deter potential boarders.

The 8in Multipurpose cannon may be used in the Anti-Aircraft capacity,
or as an Anti-Ship cannon. Under extreme circumstances, the 8in Cannon
may be employed as make-shift artillery for shore bombardments. This
requires very close range, as such the artillery role is rarely called
for.

Using design elements from WWII Liberty Ships, the Nephi class Cruiser
can maintain a stable draft of only 11.5 feet. This is useful for
shallow berthing. While underway in deeper channels, drafts of at
least 20ft are preferred.

Primary Generators are turned by the 60MW Diesels in the engine room.
For redundancy sake in case of emergencies, or if extra power is needed
the ship is equipped with two 200KW (200Hp) Diesel generators. One
placed on Port and Starboard.

======================================================

California Class Battleship
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/CaliforniaClass.jpg

Ship Type: Battleship

Length Overall: 850ft
Beam: 120ft
Draft: 45ft

Propulsion:

4 Screws turned by 4 80MW (107,281Hp) Turbocharged Diesel Engines.

Armament:
12 15in Cannons (3 per turret. Two Forward, two Aft)
6 10in Cannons (3 Per turret One Forward, One Aft)
8 5in AA Cannons (2 per turret. Four Forward, Four Aft)
20 .50Cal AA Guns (1 per Gun Tub.)
2 Cruise Missiles

Notes:

The California Class is the pride of the Steudlton Navy. There are
currently 15 in service. When not serving in the offensive capacity,
most California class Ships are Patrolling their home-waters around
Steudlton.

As one can tell just by looking at it, the ship is literally
bristling with Guns. A Majority of which (5in and .50cal) are for
defensive purposes. In a pinch the Cruise Missiles can also be
used defensively.

At any given moment there are at least six California Class ships on
forward deployment. Often serving as the command ship for Carrier
Groups. At least one California Class serves Diplomatic Missions,
with each Ship rotating though such missions.

=============================================================

Farr Class Hospital Ship
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/FarrClass.jpg

Ship Type: Hospital Ship

Length Overall: 650ft
Beam: 100ft
Draft: 38.5ft

Propulsion:
5 Screws (3 Aft, 2 in Forward Pods). Aft Screws turned by
3 80MW (107,281Hp) Diesel Engines. Forward Pods turned by
Electric Motors.

Armament: None

Notes:

A Hospital afloat is the only way to Describe a ship of the
Farr Class. Equipped with all the facilities a Hospital
afloat would need, patients are well tended to. The only other
word to describe the massive ship would be a floating city.
She is able to take upwards of 2,500 Thousand patients and
house the requisite number of staff to provide care.

The Farr class is equipped with one Helipad for shuttling to
and from the Shore. Due to this limitation, only five minutes
per patient can be spent in Triage.

Among the many facilities needed to maintain patient care, the
ship includes three Emergency Decontamination Stalls. These are
provided for response to Biological, Nuclear or Chemical
situations. Each Decon Stall includes a bed for immobilized
patients.

All patient care facilities are located above the main deck. As
a consequence all crew, officers included, are quartered below.
The bridge is the only non-patient care facility located above
deck.

Due to the hull being a former Supertanker there are only two
decks below that run the entire length of the ship. This
provides for excellent flooding control. Access below decks
is granted by Elevators. Ladders (Stairs) are provided as an
emergency back-up.

Crew accommodations are a compromise between comfort and space
efficiency. Even the Senior Officers share bunk rooms. In
addition to this, Officers bunks are stacked four high. Enlisted
bunks are stacked five to seven high.

===============================================

Ford Class Attack Submarine
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/FordClass.jpg

Ship Type: Attack Submarine

Length Overall: 300ft
Beam: 33ft
Maximum Depth: 7,500ft

Propulsion:
Singe Screw driven by Nuclear Reactor. 20MW (26,820) Diesel
Engine for back-up.

Caterpillar drive as a secondary/stealth propulsion system.

Armament:

1 1.5in Deck Gun.

4 25in Bow Tubes
2 25in Aft Tubes

20 Torpedoes
10 Anti-ship Missiles
30 Mines
Undisclosed amount of Decoys and Countermeasures


Notes:

The mainstay of the Steudlton Submarine Fleet. Currently there
are 25 in Service. Of which, seven are at forward deployment
locations.

In Steudlton's trademark of keeping with outdated concepts, the
Ford Class Attack Submarine has a Forward Deck Gun.

One concept that Steudlton has employed in the Ford Class is the
Caterpillar Drive system. Located just above the Aft Caterpillar
doors are the Aft Torpedo Tube doors. This allows for rapid
deployment of Decoy Torpedoes and/or special Countermeasure Packs.

================================================

Current Steudlton Fleet stands at

12 Nephi Class
4 Farr class
25 Ford Class
12 Freeman Class
15 California Class

Working on more ships, as always.

:sniper::mp5::mp5::mp5:mp5::mp5:::sniper: :gundge::gundge:

The Steudlton Navy would like to make an announcement that they have Declassified the following information. These new ships make up the total of the Steudlton Fleet.

=================================
Farr Class MkII.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/FarrClass2.jpg

The MkII Upgrade adds a forward Fairing to minimize water taken on.
This is a functional cosmetic feature and adds another 15ft to the
Length Overall. The new LO is 665ft

=================================
Freedom Class Cargo Ship
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/FreedomClass.jpg

Ship Type: Armed Cargo Ship

Length Overall: 440ft
Beam: 60ft
Draft: 12ft Minimum

Propulsion

Two Screws driven by two 40MW (53,640HP) Diesel Engines

Armament:

1 5in AA Gun (Aft Battery)
3 3in AA Gun (2 Aft Battery, 1 Forward Battery)
10 .50Cal AA Gun (2 Forward Battery, 4 Fly Bridge,
2 in #2 Hold Tubs, 2 in #5 Hold Tubs)
2 Close In Weapon Mounts (1 Coaxial on 5in, 1 Coaxial
on Forward 3in)

Notes:

Though a majority are not in service with the Steudlton
Navy, the Freedom Class ships are manned by Steudlton
Naval Armed Guard. There are currently over 1,500 in
service with the Steudlton Merchant Marine. The Navy
claims 25 of these.

The Armed Guard sleep in foc's'les in the rear house. The
job of these brave men is to man the Ship's Gunnery in
the event of an attack. There are usually a few Merchant
Marines in the Ship's crew who have served as Armed Guard.
These brave men and women have been known to help out in
combat.

Due to the modular role of these ships, they can carry any
number of goods. While Freedom Class Tankers retain the
shape of the original Hull, they require special water tight
Holds with Pumping Mechanisms instead of Winches. Tankers
also lack the Boom Cranes.

The modular role also allows the rapid installment of Stretch
Bunks. These stretch bunks allow the ship to carry hundreds
of Soldiers. The Troop Galley and Troop Showers are located
in the #1 Tween Deck.

In Steudlton's keeping with out-dated concepts, the Freedom
class has a Fly-Bridge. This ship has 3 Bridge Stations in total
The Fly Bridge and Battle Bridge being hte most obvious. There
is also an Emergency Bridge station on the Aft Gun Deck. In the
event of of damage to the helm controls, the ship can be steered
by the Deck Winches using Mooring Lines threaded through vents
that lead to the Steering Gear Room, which contains the rudder
turning mechanism.

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Corinthian Class Submarine:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/CorinthianClass.jpg

Ship Type: Attack Submarine

Length Overall: 250ft
Beam: 40ft
Maximum Depth: 7,500ft

Propulsion:

Single Screw turned by Nuclear Reactor.

Caterpillar Silent Drive System as secondary.



Armament:

2 3in Deck Guns (1 per turret)

4 25in Bow Tubes
2 25in Aft Tubes

Torpedoes*
Anti-ship Missiles*
Mines*
Decoys*
Countermeasures*

*Undisclosed Amount

Notes:

Currently there are two Corinthian Class Subs
in service. Despite being 50 feet shorter,
the Corinthian has proved a capable ship in
sea trials. The Corinthian will be replacing
the Ford Class Attack Sub.

The Corinthian Class has retractable DSRV Braces
built into the Hull. This is part of the Rapid
Emergency Response (RER) Initiative of the
Steudlton Navy. The initiative states that all
future subs must has provision for the Mosquito
class DSRV.

Close-in surface defenses have been beefed up by
adding a second Deck Gun. The Caliber of the deck
guns have also been increased to 3 inches. This
increase in round size allows for more viable
defenses, should the ship have need to surface in
hostile surroundings. Drawing from the Nabiki
Class the turrets have access from within the Sub.
Emergency Egress hatches are provided in the event
that a crewman becomes stuck in the turret.

Due to the more limited space within the hull, the
Corinthian Class subs do not have a Diesel Engine
as a backup to the Nuclear Reactor. As such if
the Reactor is taken out of service for any reason,
the Sub must rely on the CSDS for maneuvering.

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Nabiki Class Submarine:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/NabikiClass.jpg

Ship Type: Ballistic Missile Submarine

Length Overall: 402ft
Beam: 45ft
Maximum Depth: 7,500ft

Propulsion:

Single Screw turned by Nuclear Reactor. 20MW (26,820) Diesel
Engine for back-up.

Caterpillar Silent Drive System secondary


Armament:

4 25in Bow Tubes
4 25in Stern Tubes
Undisclosed amount of Ballistic Missile Hatches

Torpedoes*
Decoys*
Countermeasures*
Conventional Ballistic Missiles*

*Undisclosed Amount

2 3in Deck Guns (1 per turret)


Notes:

Of relatively new design, there are not many boats
of the Nabiki Class in service. There are only
five in current service, with another 35 planned
and un construction. The boat is named after the
wife of Steudlton's President.

The Nabiki Class's defenses are updated by doubling
the size of shell fired from the Deck Guns and by
adding a second one. The Deck Guns are further
updated by placing them inside streamlined turrets.
The turrets are accessed from within the submarine
by hatches. Emergency Egress hatches are provided
in the event that a crewman becomes stuck in the
turret.

This is the first Submarine within the Steudlton that
has been purpose built with Retractable DSRV Braces.
This is to allow for more rapid response to Submarine
accidents. Currently there are 10 Ford Class Hulls
with the proper modifications for DSRVs.

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Sledge Class Destroyer:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/SledgeClass.jpg

Ship Type: Multi-role Destroyer

Length Overall: 500ft
Beam: 65ft
Draft: 35ft

Propulsion:
Twin Screws turned by 70MW (100,576 HP) Diesel Engines.

Armament:

1 5in Cannon
2 Close-In Weapon Mount (1 Coaxial with 5in, One atop Hangar)
2 25in Torpedo Tubes (1 Bow, 1 Stern)
4 .50cal AA Guns (Gun Tubs)

Surface to Air Missiles*
Anti-Submarine Rockets*
Torpedoes*

*Undisclosed Amount

Aircraft:

2 Anti-Submarine Warfare Helicopters (1 Hangar, 1 Pad)
OR 1 ASW Helicopter (Hangar) AND 1 VTOL aircraft with ASW
Loadout (Pad)
OR 1 ASW Helicopter (Hangar) AND 1 Rescue Helicopter (Pad)


Notes:

The Sledge Class Destroyer is one of the mainstays of the
Steudlton Fleet. There are currently 54 in service. The
Sledge Class serves many roles within the Steudlton Fleet.
Duties range from Anti-Submarine Warfare to Seaborne Guided
Missile Platforms.

Keeping with Steudlton tradition, the Sledge Class has a Fly
bridge. The Fly Bridge is also surrounded by four .50 Caliber
AA Machine Guns.

With the advent of modern Technology, fast Jet Aircraft have
rendered the .50 Cal all but obsolete in the Anti-Aircraft
Role. However, they can serve as short-range Anti-Personnel
Guns. This keeps would-be Pirates from attempting to board
such ships.

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Mosquito Class DSRV
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/MosquitoClass.jpg

Ship Type: Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle

Length Overall: 75ft
Beam: 12ft
Maximum Depth: 7,500ft

Propulsion

Caterpillar Silent Drive System

Armament:

Crew: two pilots, two rescue personnel and
capacity for up to 32 passengers

None

Notes:

Currently there are 4 Mosquito Class DSRV in service
in the Steudlton Navy. With at least two in ready
status, should a call for them arise.

The DSRV employs a sensor suite in the Bow. Within
this sensor suite is a small forward-facing camera.
The camera displays on a screen within the DSRV and
transmits to the host vessel, where the feed is
recorded. This allows for easier navigation. There
are also redundant systems in place just in case the
DSRV needs to "fly blind."

The ventral pod holds an accordian jointed rubber tube
reinforced with steel rods approx. 1/4in thick. This
allows for universal docking, in the event that a
Mosquito is called to rescue the crew of a foreign Sub.

There are also pumping systems in place to feed the water
contained within the rescue sleeve into the Caterpillar
System, thereby creating the void which crew can transfer
between vessels.

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Globe Class Cruiser:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/GlobeClass.jpg

Ship Type: Missile Cruiser

Length Overall: 415ft
Beam: 60ft
Draft: 24.5ft

Propulsion:

Twin screws turned by two 50MW (67,051HP) Diesel Engines.


Armament:

2 14in Cannons (1 forward, 1 aft)
3 5in Cannons (2 Forward, 1 Aft)
4 .50cal AA Guns
2 Close In Weapon Mounts (Coaxial with 14in Cannons)
4 25in Torpedo Tubes (2 Bow, 2 Stern)
Vertical Missile Launch Tube
Undisclosed amount of Guided Missiles

Notes:

Currently there are 28 Globe Class Cruisers in service
with the Steudlton Navy. At any given time there are
seven on Convoy duty. Ships are regularly rotated into
and out of convoy duty.

The Globe Class Cruisers are one of two ship classes
to have 14 inch Cannons. The California Class
Battleship being the other class.

As is the norm on most of Steudlton's surface ships,
the Globe Class features a fly bridge and four
surrounding Gun Tubs equipped with .50 Caliber AA
Guns.

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Prophet Class Dreadnought
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/Steudl4/Steudlton%20Ships/ProphetClass.jpg

Ship Type: Dreadnought

Length Overall: 1,250ft
Beam: 125ft
Draft: 57ft

Propulsion:

5 Screws (4 Stern, 1 Bow Thruster) turned by 4
80MW(107,281Hp) Diesel Engines


Armament:

30 14in Cannon (4 per turret, 3 in upper two turrets)
48 5in Cannon (2 per turret)
8 .50Cal AA Gun (2 per Gun Tub)
4 Close In Weapon Mounts (2 per turrets, coaxial in upper two)

8 25in Torpedo Tubes (4 Bow, 4 Stern)
4 Vertical Missile Launch Tubes
1 Vertical Launch Cruise Missile Tubes
Torpedoes*
Guided Missiles*
1 Cruise Missile


Notes:

By far the largest ship in the Steudlton fleet. There
are currently only three in service with another under
construction. regular rotations keep one in diplomatic
service. The other two are normally kept patroling the
eastern and western coasts of Steudlton.

As is Steudlton's trademark, the Prophet Class ships
feature 4 gun tubs. The .50Cal AA guns on the Prophet
Class are doubled to offer more defensive firepower.

The upper two turrets feature 3 14in barrels rather than
four. Along with central positioning, this allows for
the two coaxial CIWM guns on each side of the turrets.
The CIWMs, like all CIWMs in the Steudlton fleet, are
computerized. This allows for faster response to incoming
high-speed threats.

The Prophet Class features a Helipad just forward of the
Cannon Battery. This allows support for one helicopter.
The ship, however, does not have a hangar so it cannot
support helicopter operations. Any helicopters are usually
brought along for transfer of VIP Personnel to and from
shore facilities.

The Prophet Class features a Bow Thruster in a pod beneath
the water line. This allows for tighter manuevers,
considering the massive size of the vessel. The screw in
the Bow Thruster is turned by electric motor.

The Prophet Class is the only other ship in the Steudlton
Fleet to feature 3 Bridge Stations. The FLy Bridge and
Battle Bridge make up the two most often used. Behind
the Aft Battery and Emergency Bridge Station is located.
The EBS feature a helm, voice tubes and a Sound Powered
Telephone.

=================================
This now brings the known Steudlton Fleet to:

3 Prophet Class
28 Globe Class
4 Farr Class
4 Mosquito Class
54 Sledge Class
5 Nabiki Class
2 Corinthian Class
25 Freedom Class (In Navy Service)
25 Ford Class
12 Freeman Class
15 California Class
12 Nephi Class

We, being an infant nation, cannot at the present time disclose any data regarding our naval forces. Perhaps later on. For the moment, we are getting our bearings in the world and this is just not the time. Suffice it to say, our naval yards are not entirely quiet. However, this is purely for the purpose of safeguarding our overseas maritime trade routes.

You guys do know this whole thing is OOC right?

also, lrn2LINC

The new JOAT general purpose ships have matured and been trained enough to be commissioned for service in the S.I.S.N. These JOAT crafts, hereby monickered with the title Paniluris class, will be released with a full compliment of crafts onboard. Their purpose is to compliment existing fleets in whatever capacity they lack, be it fighter cover, troop transport, supply or medical capacity and even to serve as patrol crafts.

http://www.5amfunnies.com/sakkra/space/shell.JPG

Statistics:
Length: 1.85 kilometers
Width: 1.5 kilometers at its widest points with sails fully extended.
Height: 710.5 meters with sails fully extended.
Weight: 108,800.25 tons
Power: 4 Kreeg IVb.A Variant B engines. 4 Solar-sails. 2 Harmony-drive sub-space hole generators. 2 JouSco Gravitic Flywheel drives for atmospheric entry/exit.
Range: 26 months of continuous use before requiring alignment of containment systems and filtration of nutrient baths.
Speed: Accelerates at 300 meters per second. Can perform atmospheric insertion, but is limited to take-off, landing and extremely limited maneuvers. Best sustained acceleration is 4 km per second in space and sub-sonic speed in atmosphere.
Load capacity: 1940.75 tons additional cargo. Holds 300 Anole II class fighters, 30 Gecko class corvettes, 15 Caiman-class corvettes and 500 Horde Troopers.
Crew:1800 crew-members
Hull: Layered Cellulo-Chitinous Resin with osmium alloy and Cermite 13/14. Each has a thickness of 3.5m's. The inner hull has a thin layer of aluminum about 1.5'. Shielding: Kastaa Power Works EFR shield MK IV. complete with magnetic shield and ECM/ECCM to deflect or slow down ferrous metal weapons and kinetic weaponry. Also will 'ghost' the ship's silhouette to confuse guided weaponry.
Armament: 60 full-swing turrets. Top turrets rotate 360 degrees left and right, and 90 degrees up. Bottom turrets rotate 90 degrees up and own, and 360 degrees left and right. Each turret has a pair of Hreer Weapon Works 60cm Hard Beam cannons.
30 full-swing turrets with 30 mm Gauss Cannons are also featured on the Paniluris. 15 top turrets rotate 360 degrees left and right, and 90 degrees up. 15 bottom turrets rotate 90 degrees up and own, and 360 degrees left and right.
12 anti-warship missile batteries. Capable of firing Brilliant Pebbles missiles directly. Payload of 24 missiles each battery.
Also features 10 Spore Pod batteries with emission-guided armor-piercing missiles, with a payload of 96 missiles per. Each missile has an effective burn of 5 minutes.
2 Naval-class Orbital bombardment cannons located on the sides of this ship. Each cannon sports a quad-barreled 50m cannon. A number of different forms of ordinance can be fired, from chunks of solid tungsten to Spore munitions to MIRV shells. Also useful in firing broadside attacks on stationary targets such as space stations and defense platforms.
4 heavy 15m Chunk Projectors are located at the stern between the dual-hull. Used primarily to clear out minefields and fighter-swarms with timed Spore-rounds or, in the very rare case, Gel-Ignite munitions.

Features: The Paniluris-class is equipped with infra-red, thermo-graphic, telescopic and UV camera sensors. AV and Tri-D communications equipment, Wide-band and tight-band radio receiver/transmitter. It also features microwave radar with a range of 100,000 kilometers, and a P.S.L.I. (Power Source Location and Identification) sensor with a range of 10,000 kilometers. This sensor registers EM resonance, radioactive residues and other byproducts of active power sources. The Paniluris has 24 unisex restrooms and 8 airlocks (double hatch) joining to the cockpit. Also contains bunk-style bedding for the crew. Cockpit has inertia-absorbing gelatinous full-body crash chairs. The rest of the ship has no standard oxygen system, but relies on a oxy-liquid nutrient bath. In essence, everyone has to swim in the ship to get around. Other than that, breathing is done normally, but everyone is outfitted with a sub/hyper-sonic communication device.

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That is our Volt 234-Type Ship

975 metres long

So, if my nation develops warp drive and builds Star-faring Spaceships, can we draw representations of them here too? :P

I still live and have actually begun updating the starship chart. Please reference first post for rules as they stand. Naval chart will be next to be updated.

I would like some assistance updating the ground chart *stares at candiro*

Sakkra um as much as its a nice enough stat block er I am sorry but no image no place on the chart.

I usually put an image link instead of an actual image on the post proper. I'll amend that.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn163/faroe-asatru/USA-DD-Gleaves_Frankford_b.png

The FANDF maintains WW2-era Gleaves class destroyers.

Well since this is going to come back alive soon I guess...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/airchart.png

there we have it, the first chunk of The Phoenix Milita's aircraft, already scaled according to the large aircraft chart, with name, type and number of engines added using the icons from the chart
hope that makes it easy


edit: more here
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/airchart2.png

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I would like some assistance updating the ground chart *stares at candiro*



hey, hey, I'm working on the MBTs...


What scale are they in on the Ground Chart proper?

Wait...updating the charts after nearly four years of complete negligence? Madness.

ohh ground chart - here are some already sized appropriately http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/Ground_chartTPMonly.png

Noob here. These are available for all players, right?

Not really.

Think of it as 'Show and Tell'.

Ahhhhhhhh...so where can I make trade deals, international?

this is a list of storefronts:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380381

many of the designs seen here are sold in the storefronts of their respective nations

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll283/navbucket/Navy/DDH.png

Port Sovereign class 8500t DDH (current project)

Battle Carrier

the Sea Eagle

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb254/Superflanker_EVA/Sea-Eagle-watermark.png

IN 2993 the orilion class capital ship named "queen arcadia" was launched at the royal Tokyo shipyard 3 years later her sister ship called the "queen millenia" was launched from the same shipyard.
both ships have near identical designs
sorry im not very good at coloring so the ship isn't painted
http://fc87.deviantart.com/fs40/i/2009/026/f/6/queen_arcadia_by_seb_deadzedcomics.jpg

Fellow Nation, the Kingdom of Kingsbridge of Hookton is proud to present to the world the experimental Flying Aircraft Carrier. Its production will begun as soon as the final tests are completed.

XFAC-001.1 (http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9783/xfac0010bi0.png)

If you want more informations about it please contact me via telegram.

looks like a great aircraft i have plans for a similar type of ship ill upload the image soon!
also u may want to put more detail in!

in the year 3002 the Dante class battle cruiser Apophis was launched at the Hiroshima-delta shipyard. the Apophis is one of the 4 Dante class ships named:Apophis,Cleopatra,rah,Anubis then in the year 3020 4 more Dante class ships where built these where named thor,wotan,freya,frickahttp://fc44.deviantart.com/fs40/i/2009/035/f/a/SRN_apothis_by_seb_deadzedcomics.png

YOU HAVE ACTIVATED NAVY INFO WIPER YOU MAY NOT SEE OUR INFORMATION

i dont think of us having shiips, just super space stations that can blast the heck out of your army

care to design them and post them here?
they sound great and it would be cool to see them!

I like to design every thing that this thread goes over. Tanks, ships, planetary bombardment craft, etc... :D

I also attempted to read all the posts in this thread, big mistake my brain is ozzing out of my ears (information overload).

Can some one give me a brief overview on the SPACE side of things; like what are the basic weapons used, who has flying saucers for sale (any ship will do really), what are the basic stats for a battleship.

I have several designs that I would like to post. :)

Im completley confused. I just started this whole "naton state" thing yesterday. Any1 wanna help me on just random things i might have questions for?

drakcon - Nationstates Draftroom. One is dead, the other is very much active.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?

yodo - completely wrong thread, but what kind of questions?

This must have taken a while!

Nation: Kingdom of Titagel
Here is our nations concept for a U.A.S.
Unmanned Arsenal Ship
Working out the details but have the basic hull laid out.
Basically nations battleships replacing shell firepower with copious amounts of fireworks! It is also operated by other vessels or units in the area to provide support on multiple levels. Small crew to monitor systems and security for the vessel. Size is comparable to an aircraft carrier for maximum package delivery.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/OrderOfKings/Colins%20Stuff/ArsenalShip.png