NationStates Jolt Archive

The Officially Big NationStates Ship Comparison Chart™


Instructions
For the 'Zeppelin Manufacturers' player we assemble pictures of Battleships and other wet-navy vessels for a comparison chart of ships of different nations. The purpose is an 'Janes: All the Worlds Ships'-type diagram for NationStates. A new feature is a chart for space vessels. Remember, this is an OOC reference thread, not an In Character undertaking.

If you have a Schematic, please link to it here (or tell us about it on #nationstates IRC) so we can add it to the chart. A profile shot frrom the side or (alternatively) a cut-out will do just fine.

An example of a ship that could be in the chart:
Ondeugd-class battleship (http://knootoss.vogels.nu/images/Knoot_BB_V2__by_Doc_Evilonavich.png)

What do you have to do if you want to participate:

Select or draw your navy ship. Try and get it on a white backround instead of fancy smancy doga backrounds, and ensure that the waterline is clearly marked. Please, no unoriginal artwork.
Host the picture of your NS navy ship somewhere.
Post a link to the picture (not the picture itself, please)
Post the length of the ship


Navy charts
The chart of NS Navy ships (August 6 2005) (http://www.deviantart.com/view/21371585/)
A smaller version of the chart of NS Navy ships (August 6 2005) (http://www.deviantart.com/view/21371327/)
The big chart of NationStates Subs ( http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21441909/) (August 6 2005)
The big chart of NationStates Frigates and Destroyers (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21441961/) (August 6 2005)
The big chart of NationStates Cruisers (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21442003/) (August 6 2005)
The big chart of NationStates Battleships (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21442037/) (August 6 2005)
The big chart of NationStates Carriers (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21442072/) (August 6 2005)
The big chart of NationStates Dreadnoughts (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21442189/) (August 6 2005)


Space Charts
UPDATED!The Big NS Starship chart (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/23886434/) (Updated October 11 2005)
UPDATED!A smaller version of the Big NS Starship chart (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/23886618/) (Updated October 11 2005)
UPDATED!The Really Really Big NS Starship chart (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/23887139/) (The bigger ships. Updated October 11 2005)
UPDATED!A smaller version of the Really Really Big NS Starship chart (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/23886805/) (The bigger ships. Updated October 11 2005)



Aircraft charts
An aircraft chart, which will be inclusive of lighter than air vessels, is under development. Please submit your works according to the terms stated below.

Select or draw your aircraft. Try and get it on a white background instead of fancy swanky doga backgrounds. The image must be from directly above, below or in profile. A silhouette is acceptable. Please, no unoriginal artwork, any unoriginal artwork shall not be accepted.
Host the picture of your NS aircraft somewhere.
Post a link to the picture (not the picture itself, please DO NOT link to nebulous shop fronts) .
Post the greatest dimension of the aircraft be it length wingspan or other.


The Aircraft Chart (Big) (http://www.deviantart.com/view/23696721/) (October 6 2005)
The Aircraft Chart (Small) (http://www.deviantart.com/view/23696627/) (October 6 2005)


NEW! Ground Vehicles
UPDATED!The Ground Vehicles Chart (Big) (http://www.deviantart.com/view/23694960/) (October 11 2005)
UPDATED!The Ground Vehicles Chart (Small) (http://www.deviantart.com/view/23695044/) (October 11 2005)
NEW!The VERY Big Ground Vehicles Chart (Big) (http://www.deviantart.com/view/23844219/) (October 11 2005)
NEW!The VERY Big Ground Vehicles Chart (Small) (http://www.deviantart.com/view/23843953/) (October 11 2005)



Want to share ideas?
For exchanging ideas about NS designs, and exchanging views about schematics and all those nice things visit the Lineartinc (http://s13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?act=idx) forum.

Ok... updated the first post a bit so there is an example as well as some more clear "rules" of what we expect. So please, no "check out my storefront" or something. The Doc is putting a lot of effort in this thing, the least y'all can do is properly link it so his job does not become overly difficult.

Also, it is appreciated that the ships that you link to are actually original artwork.

Please try and get it on a white backround instead of fancy smancy doga backrounds, and ensure that the waterline is clearly marked.

Doc here, this is version one of the comparison chart.

A few little rules on top of what Knoot has put up.

Please please do not just link to your entire navy, cruisers and above only for starters.

Now note that Mildonias Aurora class BB is small on the chart, while most people would class it a cruiser or a destroyer it is up to the individual to declare the class of the vessel. However no PT boats with BB taped onto their tittle please.

If you have definable features such as doors, hatches, bridge windows, I will use these for size reference not ZOMG my ship is 700 Metres long.
ABOVE all else original artwork http://img18.exs.cx/img18/1148/BBN3FinalMod1.jpg THAT is an example of what I won’t accept, a poorly edited Yamato. I’m sorry “don’t piss us off” I can’t accept that image as a valid entry onto the chart. I will accept ships that people would interpret ugly or poorly drawn, I will accept ships that are of any tech level, though I will be splitting of very FT ships but I will not accept works that are stolen art.

Please don’t complain about this rule this is a respect and legal consideration.

Well, keep in mind these are all Freethinkers-drawn ships, I just use them the most extensively of any navy in the world.

Leviathan class Superdreadnaught (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/LeviathanBBCNsmall.jpg)
Length: 548 meters

Gehenna (aka Doujin) class Superdreadnaught (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/DoujinBBCNsmall.jpg)
Length: 984 meters

"Why would we want to provide our enemies with silhouette data on our warships?"

~ random Crown Guard Navy officer

If it doesn’t fit through the Suez it may as well be a platform, if your vessel does not fit in the Suez canal do not post it.


The doujin will be on there at the bottom of the diagram.. well I say on their its Prow will be.

Ma-Tek: this is an OOC reference thread, not an In Character undertaking.

Doc here, this is version one of the comparison chart.

A few little rules on top of what Knoot has put up.

Please please do not just link to your entire navy, cruisers and above only for starters.

Now note that Mildonias Aurora class BB is small on the chart, while most people would class it a cruiser or a destroyer it is up to the individual to declare the class of the vessel. However no PT boats with BB taped onto their tittle please.

If you have definable features such as doors, hatches, bridge windows, I will use these for size reference not ZOMG my ship is 700 Metres long.
ABOVE all else original artwork http://img18.exs.cx/img18/1148/BBN3FinalMod1.jpg THAT is an example of what I won’t accept, a poorly edited Yamato. I’m sorry “don’t piss us off” I can’t accept that image as a valid entry onto the chart. I will accept ships that people would interpret ugly or poorly drawn, I will accept ships that are of any tech level, though I will be splitting of very FT ships but I will not accept works that are stolen art.

Please don’t complain about this rule this is a respect and legal consideration.

Meh, fair enough, the diagrams I use are for reference purposes only vis-a-vis the design, not artwork. Incidentally, the basic hull form is that of the Yamato; I know my limitations and won't attempt to draw out a hull for myself, since I'm no artist, not to mention no maritime designer (and thus wouldn't know much about designing a good hull anyway).

Updated (seven ships so far)

Note the Levithan isn't too long and with the greatest respect to freethinker I just think its at touch too wide. The next version will only include the "Warning too big!" in red over the Doujin.

[*sigh* Post it or don't, but please leave opinions to the people who have experience with desiging ships. You may or may not have noticed, but almost none of Freethinkers' ships are monohulls, thus they're going to have a greater width than a monohull of the same length.

EDIT: As a matter of fact, if you feel compelled to post opinions on the design along with the pic, don't bother posting it at all. I have no doubt Freethinkers grows tired of having to defend his ships to people who don't have the equivilant university education on the subject to be qualified to debate the merits of his designs with him.]

Man I've talked to freethinker in the past and will probably be hammering about this on irc tonight, no need to get all nasty all of a sudden. The Trimaran design which he is so fond of does not fit through most large canal systems its that simple. I’m in no way attacking freethinkers designs or the ability to build them or their ability to float, move or fight.

The Doujin just doesn’t fit, hell if you have a problem with me not being able to fit it onto any reasonable diagram take it up with the dozens of people who blanket ignore the things existence.

The leviathan is just a bit wide in my opinion but it WILL go on the diagram. I don’t know why you feel I can’t post my opinions on the matter or why a size comparison diagram would have its neutrality invalidated by my opinions. On a further note why yes I am willing to debate with freethinker.

Its not debating naval design. Its just for a decent comparison with anyone else’s ships the Leviathan SD tends to be near the size limit of what I would consider a reasonable warship. The Doujin is and will be nuke fodder in any realistic war and if ever seen in my waters in the modern tech version of my role-play in a hostile status would find itself shortly on the end of a large non nuclear ballistic missile barrage. Image update in a moe.

aaand updated

One small thing please try and use a lightly coloured or white backround or I have the devils own time in selecting the image.

OOC: A couple of queries.

By 'Being able to fit through the Suez canal', do you mean 'actually fit through the Suez canal' or 'Just something that fits comfortably in the diagram?'

Secondly, are you just accepting Battleships? Our are you accepting other designs as well.

I accept other designs and classes as well down to cruisers at the moment and yes its comfortably fits on the diagram rather than actually fit through the Suez. I will probably increase the final draft out to the full length of the doujin at some point to include such things as militarised oil tankers or the like.

What about submarines, since all my bigger vessels are Sub Aquatic?

Yep submarines are acceptable. I intend to put my two operating sub classes up there too.

Well, the following are all my ships that are plus 190metres in length. Add what you think is appropriate. The link to the picture are literally right at the top of the page, so please don't bitch at me . All backgrounds are either light blue or white, and all ships are drawn to the same scale. (The length is listed right at the top of each page too, btw some of the pics are hosted on freewebs, so you may need to cut and paste, this is also why Im linking to the page rather than the pic).

Destroyers:
Centaur-X Class:http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=46
Centaur Class: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=2
Revenge Class: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=3
Sabre Class: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=37

Carriers:
Ocean Class: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=7
Formidable Class: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=8

Assault Ships:
Jericho Class: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=53

Excellent

Here is one of my big subs, the Bilyarsk Class Heavy Sub Cruiser

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/BilSIl.jpg

303.5 meters in length

and its web page.

http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/anamecha5bilyarsk

Just in case Doc forgets:
(Syskeyian)
Joanna von Sachausen-class Battleship
link (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Syskeyia/SysJoBBA_Camo.gif)

Actually, that's the Joanna von Sachausen-A-class battleship.

The Joanna von Sachausen-class battleships currently in use can be seen in this comparison with the Iowa (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-2/947920/jo_iowa_comparison.gif)

[This isn't the real world, the Panama Canal is a non-entity. In fact, it could be argued by some that the Panama Canal doesn't even exist. Furthermore, the US Navy's next generation BB, the Montana class, would not have fit through the panama canal and I can tell you that most of the battleships you have presented in this conglomerated pic wouldn't either. Hell, the Iowa class could just squeeze through, and it isn't the largest battleship to ever be produced, you know?

As for my nastiness, I'm sorry but I've had to put up with defending the Doujin and its sister ships for the past year and I've decided I'm done doing it.]

Um ..umkaaaay ..well update coming in a sec. Uh ... take a breather or something man.

Update!
Twenty-one ships! (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress4.png)

I just have a very basic waterline-up line drawing: it's not nearly so complex as the others here, so I hope it won't look too ugly to put up.

Anyway, it's a drawing of the Royal Iansislean Navy's Crown-class of battleships (specifically HIMS Princess Royal, Captain Sir Ronald Garland) of 744' (226.7712 m) at the waterline and 43,000 (long) tons. I've left secondary mounts and such things off the line drawing simply because the scale wasn't large enough to justify the visual distraction.

So, again: sorry for the crudeness of the drawing, but as I play Iansisle as a very 'sea-ward ho!' nation, I'd really like to have representation on this prestigious chart. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/DrIquan/battleship.jpg

Added! (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress5.png)

And I'd love to engage that ship with my Ondeugd-class :P

Added! (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress5.png)

And I'd love to engage that ship with my Ondeugd-class :P

We'll have to remember to arrange some war games. ;)

I love how my battleship fits (comfortably) inside of several of those cruisers and submarines. Oh well, at least I make up for my puny size by being technologically inferior. :)

[This isn't the real world, the Panama Canal is a non-entity. In fact, it could be argued by some that the Panama Canal doesn't even exist.

I wouldn't say so. I participated (sorta) in a RP involving Panama and its canal, so in NS it exists. :p

Though I have thought about getting to build a wider canal across Nicaragua, if someone was willing to RP with me about it. :)

I wouldn't say so. I participated (sorta) in a RP involving Panama and its canal, so in NS it exists. :p

Though I have thought about getting to build a wider canal across Nicaragua, if someone was willing to RP with me about it. :)

Actually, that sounds kinda like the stuff my nation WOULD be interested in. Freethinker Shipping Canals are one of my nation's national treasures and I wouldnt being involved in something like that.

This is pretty cool. I actually made two nations, Thunder House and Layered, both corporate run states with large militaries. I don't know if there are rules against making more than one or something, but I'm into this sort of stuff. However, I don't know what sort of drafting program you used for this. Is there something you all used to create those schematics?
By the way, I designed my nations far in the future. Ie. giant robot type stuff. Actually it's really sort of just a tribute to the game Armored Core, but regardless, I wondered if you were open for a new participant.

My new ship, thanks to Freethinkers.

Name: Sentinel Class
Type: Command Battleship (Super Dreadnought).


PiXor (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/SentinelClasssmall.jpg)

Length: 802 meters

Alright, I admit it: I've become obsessed. Despite only having the most primitive paint program with which to work, I've been churning out new ships (well, new pictures for ships which already had a name and statistics) for the Royal Iansislean Navy.

My second effort (which I feel improved on the first) was the largest class of ships in the RIN - the Indomitable class of 792' (241.4016 m) and 49,000 tons. Pictured here is HIMS Sanguine, the last of the Indomitable run, which is currently working up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/DrIquan/battleship2.jpg

Last but not least, I decided to zoom in and work on a larger scale, producing the light cruiser HIMS Jason of the Elemental class. The Elementals displace 6,900 tons and are 589'6" (179.6796 m) at the waterline.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/DrIquan/cruiser.jpg

Slowly but surely, I think I'm getting the hang of this whole 'ship-drawing' thing. ;)

Yeah, Its cool, isn't it ;)

Update standing by.

http://img140.exs.cx/img140/7203/inprogress6post0hh.png

*argues on IRC*

Freethinker could you pitch in here? your 'destroyers' are three times the size of other peoples battleships and the deck gun is the size of most peoples main turret. That just cannot be right.

Shadovar Class cruiser (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Nightbane/ShadovarClass.png), 190m
Brigantine Class destroyer (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Nightbane/BrigantineClass.png), 122m

I figure that this one may be too short, but I wanted to post it anyway as it is my first design (doc drew my BB) and it has a SANE length.

Zeedier-class
submarine (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/Zeediersub.PNG)
Length: 76 meters

One hell of a set of helicopters some of those ships mount!

Now, I don't mean to complain, because I really appreciate all the time and hard work that's gone into this, but are y'all sure that the difference between the Indomitable and Crown class is right? I'm notoriously bad at estimating distance, but it just seems that the Indomitable is a lot longer than it should be. (~20m longer than the Crown)

Comparing it to the Iowa at ~887', too, it seems like the 792' Indomitable should be shorter.

Once again, please don't take this as a complaint or an insult. :)

This is the main naval Combatant in the Royal Gililand Navy. Please note that all ships names are preceeded by the initials "H.R.H.S." His Royal Highness' Ship. I hope the image is acceptable. Feel free to ask for any additional information, as needed.

Cordially,
King John of Gililand

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gililand/BattleshipI.bmp

I had no idea that this image would be so small. As per your initial requirements, the length of the Gililand Class Battleship is 1200 feet.

Cordially,
King John of Gililand

Is there any chance of a larger image?

Update:
http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress7post.png

*argues on IRC*

Freethinker could you pitch in here? your 'destroyers' are three times the size of other peoples battleships and the deck gun is the size of most peoples main turret. That just cannot be right.

Knoot, I don't have much internet access right now, but I believe his largest destroyer is 45,000 tons and its primary gun is 6", maybe 8". Hardly battleship caliber, unless somebody here has made some seriously pitiful battleships.

I hope this one is bigger, but I can't seem to blow it up on photobucket. Perhaps if you know of a free picture server that I can upload to that will let me use a larger image. If not, I'm stuck with this one


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gililand/BattleshipIII.bmp

Please disregard previous image. It's incomplete.

Thank you

Try this one. To see it when you open the link, click on the image with the magnifying glass icon and the whole picture and specs are shown.

Thanks!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gililand/BattleshipIV.bmp

Knoot, I don't have much internet access right now, but I believe his largest destroyer is 45,000 tons and its primary gun is 6", maybe 8". Hardly battleship caliber, unless somebody here has made some seriously pitiful battleships.
If you compare the size of the gun it does not look like 6 inch. And the size of the ship as a whole is just... big.

Buuut I figure that my wonderful/wonderfully pathetic Zeedier class Diesel-electric (#2 in the comparison chart- Wiki entry (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Zeedier-class_submarine) ) and similar more modern submarines could be built in the hundreds for the same expense as a battlegroup of these 'destroyers' et al, given an equal tech level. That would make things all-right, really :)

updates coming fast:
http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress8.png

Knoot, I don't have much internet access right now, but I believe his largest destroyer is 45,000 tons and its primary gun is 6", maybe 8". Hardly battleship caliber, unless somebody here has made some seriously pitiful battleships.

I'm fairly sure I'm insulted - the largest battleship in the RIN is 49,000 (long) tons (that's...49,700ish metric tons or 54,880 short tons. Though I don't know why anyone would use anything but long tons for displacement. :P). My destroyers range from 1,450 to 2,900 tons.

You can see a quick sketch of the RIN here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7435926&postcount=44).

PS - Knoot, any word on the Indomitable/Crown thing? Is it just my imagination?

I think ive fixed that. ..I think.

Ah, many thanks ZM. :)

http://www.fredvogels.org/images/Inprogress9.png

My sub has friends now!

Hey! my sub will be a Knootos sub friend!

http://www.fredvogels.org/images/Inprogress10.png

A fairly large friend, Aqua Nation Atlantica. :P

http://www.fredvogels.org/images/Inprogress9.png

My sub has friends now!

Here's another friend for you, Knoot:

HIMS Invisible, the one and only Iansislean submarine ever commissioned, had a spotted but interesting history. The result of personal investment by an eccentric Gadsani shipwright (whose name escapes me right now - I know I have it written down somewhere!) and based upon earlier European submarines seen during a pre-war tour of the continent, Invisible was rejected by the Admiralty, which considered submersible warships a waste of money, and most unsporting at that, almost at once.

However, Iansisle ran into a dire shortage of hulls during the Salvador crisis and the Admiralty was forced to buy Invisible into service. It served as a coastal patrol vessel while the Grand Fleet was at Salvador, but was soon relegated to mothballs. Invisible's next chance would come with the German-Chiangese War. Amazed by the success of the Atlantic submarine war, the Admiralty quickly pressed Invisible into service under Lt. Commander Frank Durton; unfortunately, after recording only a single kill (a Chiangese-registered coaster of 1,100 tons) the Invisible was located by Chiangese patrol aircraft and sunk before she could dive with a loss of all hands. The Admiralty has never again experimented with submarine warships.

"After all," quipped Admiral Sir Hunter N. Kennington after the war, "if Jerry could have fought it out with us on the high seas, he would have, instead of all this slinking about under the waves like a coward."

HIMS Invisible - Invisible class
203'4" (61.974984 m); 633/828 tons
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/DrIquan/submarine.jpg

EDIT: How many ships are we allowed? 'cause I'll just keep on doing this until someone stops me. ;)

Your ships rock. the history of the dolfijn (see wiki) is fairly undescribed compared to that. *underachieves*

Ok, since others have more than one, I shall post a few more of ANAs

Bridgmere Strike Carrier
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/Bridgemere.jpg
205.5 meters
http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/anamecha5bridgemere

Hampshire Sub Destroyer
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/Hampshire.jpg
146.8 meters
http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/anamecha5hampshire

Sevridzna Sub Frigate
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/Sevridzna.jpg
118.83 meters
http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/anamecha5sevridzna

Leminsk Modular Sub
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/Leminsk.jpg
110.4 meters
http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/anamecha5leminsk

Shadow Shark Stealth Sub
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/ShadowSShark.jpg
94.2 meters
http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/anamecha5shadowshark

Stormjack Patrol Cutter Sub
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/Stormjack.jpg
83.4 meters
http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/anamecha5stormjack

Use at your will!

Hampshire Sub Destroyer
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/Hampshire.jpg
146.8 meters
http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/anamecha5hampshire

For some reason, that reminds me of the Iron Tiger (Baba's machine) from F-Zero. I think it's the paint job.

They all look really good, too!

And Knoot, you're far, far too kind to me. ;)

Is there any sort of actual program you guys are using to make those line drawings? If so, where can I get it?

http://www.fredvogels.org/images/Inprogress12.png

*pants*

yet...another... update.

This *is* good for my postcount though, on the other hand. And I could never be too kind to you, Ian ;)

Is there any sort of actual program you guys are using to make those line drawings? If so, where can I get it?

I'm just using the paint program included on my computer. Of course, my drawings aren't the best, either. ;)

Oh horror! I had my next drawing ~75% done, and it was looking to be the best one yet, when the program crashed! *cries* Ah well - back to the old grindstone. This next one will be better. Better than it was before - better! - stronger! - faster!

Braaain meeeeelting.... Okay at this point Im considering seperate images for each class though the big diagram will still be up.

Eeps! I hope I haven't contributed (too much ;)) to your brain melt. I'm tellin' ya, if I get to be too much, just tell me to quit drawing and go away. :)

http://img143.exs.cx/img143/4263/inprogress133of.png
Updaaate! thats the last update of the night as knoots gone to bed and know so do I.

Okay, lets see:

Carriers:
Mentor Class: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=9

Destroyers:
Dauntless Class:http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=4

Frigates:
Broadsword Class:http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=5
Ardent Class:http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=45

Fleet Replenishment:
Clan Grant Class: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=10

Submarines:
Superb Class SSK: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=13
Neptune Class SSBN: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=12
Trident Class SSN: http://s7.invisionfree.com/FDI/index.php?showtopic=11

Also, at 182 metres long, the Syren SSTN:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/SyrenSSPT.png


Same link arrangement as before. Have fun.

Dang! Just too late! Ah, well, there's always tomorrow. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/DrIquan/titan.jpg

HIMS Titan of the Behemoth class: 46,000 tons, 758' long (231.0384 m), 9 x 16"/45.

Titan was the last finished of the Behemoth class' run of five ships, with her final working up taking place just three months before the cease-fire of the German-Chiangese War. Her construction was delayed for years by the Admiralty's obsession with German 'super-battleships' and their own counter, the 70,800 ton white elephant Diomedes. At last, work on Diomedes was abandoned and Titan was finished.

After the war ended, Titan went on a world tour along with the battlecruiser Queen Jessica - which had just finished a major refit - starting in Ianapalis and hitting every almost every major Iansislean and Walmingtonian colonial city along the way.

After returning, Titan - which was hardly a year in service - was the first of the Behemoths to undergo the major refit of the late '40s. Her 16"/45 Mk.Is were replaced with the brand new Mk.IIs, which provided a significant decrease reloading and target tracking time. Titan - which was the last Iansislean ship to be completed with separate anti-surface and anti-aircraft secondary batteries - also had her 6"/50 anti-surface guns and 3"/54 anti-aircraft guns replaced with the new 4.9"/52 dual purpose secondary mounts. Titan's radio-rangefinding units were also upgraded to the latest marks and numerous electronic improvements were made.

As the only renovated Behemoth - her sisterships Gargantuan and Goliath had yet to be withdrawn for the refit and Behemoth and Colossus were still undergoing it - Titan served as Admiral Lord Westergate's flagship during the Pacific campaign of the Walmies' War and served with distinction in several campaigns. She is currently assigned to the Home Fleet, where she guards the Straits against possible Roanian incursion.

Titan is pictured here before her refit; you can still see the separate secondary guns. She is flying the red ensign from her mizzenmast and an acting Commodore's broad pennant from her mainmast

Razgriz Class carrier submarine (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Nightbane/RazgrizClass.png), 407.5 meters

Rogue Class underwater attack submarine (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Nightbane/RogueClass.png), 114 meters

Privateer Class surface attack submarine (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Nightbane/PrivateerClass.png), 96 meters

55 ships! (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress14.png)

Doc keeps sending me the updates.... now also has a typhoon sub for reference. (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress15.png)

The latest class of surface warship to be added to Gililland's modest navy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gililand/BattleshipX.bmp

Updaaaaaaaate! 57 ships. http://img121.exs.cx/img121/5149/inprogress161sj.png

Freethinker, check your storefront thread.

Salvador-class Mobile Aeroflyer Dock
745'9" (227.280216 m) at waterline; 36,000 tons; 54 aeroflyers
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/DrIquan/carrier.jpg

The Salvador was ordered after the success of sea-borne aeroflight had been proven by the experimental Vanguard. Amazingly, the basic design proved very successful and adaptable; three major refits and twenty years later, the Salvador is still in service as a front line mobile aeroflyer dock and seven new ships have been build following her plans with minor changes.

The name comes from the famous Battle of Salvador, in which Beth Gellen aerotechnology sank an Iansislean (pre-dreadnought) battleship, three heavy cruisers, and number of destroyers and supply ships almost without loss. Pressure from foreign powers with an interest in Iansislean military advancement, most notably Larkinia, convinced the First Lord of the Admiralty, in consultation with Admiral Sir Richard Tri and Larkinian Captain Jeffery Williams, to convert the battlecruiser King Ian III into an aeroflyer dock. King Ian III was renamed Vanguard and its value was proven during the Dianatranian Rebellion, when land-based Iansislean aeroflyers were unable to reach the front.

Salvador, designed with help from Larkinian firms, was completed just five years later. During the German-Chiangese War, she was deployed with her sistership Augsburg and the Vanguard as the First Aeroflyer Dock Squadron in the South China Sea under Vice Admiral Lord Westergate. Although unable to prevent the sinking of the battleship Undauntable during the Battle of the Spratley Islands, Salvador played a key role in keeping the Chiangese Navy confined to the Gulf of Siam.

Currently, Salvador is assigned to the Home Fleet, where she guards the Western Marches against Roanian aggression.

EDIT: I suppose a picture would help. ;) Oh, by the way, not to complain, but you may wish to check the spelling of 'Invisible' :D

Sorry it was about 3 in the morning for me. Update in progress.

Don't worry, I completely understand. You should see my typological skills that late at night! :D

I just thought that everyone should know that the largest ship afloat currently is the Jahre Viking at 485.46 meters long, apparently. That should give you some idea of how big your ships are.

Make sure to visit this link to find out about it.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/jahre-viking.htm

Yes, this would be the largest ship in real life. Not NS. I'm all too aware of the craziness here.

http://img161.exs.cx/img161/6008/inprogress171jz.png
Update! 59 ships.

60 ships (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress18.png)

The Fury class BattleCarrier (http://aa.1asphost.com/AllyG/fury.JPG)
Trimaran Battlecarrier; 842m long.

Hell class SuperCarrier (http://aa.1asphost.com/AllyG/hellside.JPG)
SuperCarrier, 832m long

Slag class submarine (http://aa.1asphost.com/AllyG/slagclassside.JPG)
Stealthed missile submarine, 156m long

Poseidon class frigate (http://aa.1asphost.com/AllyG/poseidonside.JPG)
Frigate, 150m long

Shark class attack boat (http://aa.1asphost.com/AllyG/sharkside.JPG)
Small attack craft, 10m long

The comparison chart so far (60 ships) (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress20large.png)
A smaller version of the chart (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress20small.png)

Added the chart o' subs, see the first post ;)

The comparison chart so far (60 ships) (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress20large.png)
A smaller version of the chart (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress20small.png)
NEW! the big chart of NationStates Subs (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/chartosubs.png)
NEW! the big chart of NationStates Frigates and Destroyers (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/chartofrigatesanddestroyers.png)
NEW! the big chart of NationStates Cruisers, Battleships and Dreadnoughts (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/Cruisers,_BB%5C's_and_Dreadnoughts.png)
NEW! the big chart of NationStates Carriers and superdreadnoughts (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/carriersandSd%5C's.png)

Here are the only ones I could make profile shots of (not to scale)
http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehosting/showimg.gif/?id=220833
From top to bottom,

Phoenix Class Aircraft Carrier
Length: 1,202 feet

==============

Volcano Class Arsenal Ship (Guided Missile Cruiser)
Length: 589 feet

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Lancer Class Dreadnaught-Destroyer (Destroyer)
Length: 561 feet

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SeaHorse Class Attack Submarine
Length: 290 feet

As the champagne breaks across the bow and the HRHNS Poseidon slides down the slipway, a new era in Gililand naval power projection is born! Taking the Dreadnought idea, and going one better, Poseidon sports a twin mount 18" gun turret, capable of accurately throwing an armour piercing shell 70 miles. Fire control is accomplished through a revolutionary new radar/gps gun director system. The same system also allows retractable fins mounted on the shells to accomplish limited course corrections, enabling over-the-horizon targeting.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gililand/OceanMonitorI.bmp

Beth Gellert has been mentioned in this thread at least once previously. It was, not so many years ago, the destruction of an Iansislian advance fleet.At that time -at the Battle of Salvador- the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth was little more than a bubbling ideal in a few unhealthy Beddgelen hearts, and the Beddgelen navy was manifest in a trimaran frigate build in Western Asia -remembered as the famous Commonweath Ship Ood- and precious little else. The Beddgelen revolution was -at that point- protected martially by militiamen ashore and, elsewhere, a fledgeling airforce. That organisation (the air force) was responsible for almost all of those Iansislian casualties earlier mentioned.
It has been implied that the severity of Iansislian maritime defeat at Igovian hands lead to little more than the entry into Shieldian consciousness of naval aviation. In truth, however, what would become the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert did not fail to realise the difference in force projection that existed between that new Commonwealth and the then Shieldian Empire. Having undeniably trounced the Iansislian expedition sent against the revolutionaries of Beth Gellert, Igovians found that the question of retaliation was settled by practical before political means. The Commonwealth simply couldn't practically hit back even if she'd sought to, and as such was taken the political decision to let the Ians get away with their ill-fated provocation.
Quel surprise!
Shortly here after, the Igovian Soviet Navy saw proper organisation. Victoria Salvadorian gunboats and other assets were taken by the revolutionaries, and commercial yards run by the defeated capitalist representative-democrats were soon enough utilised by the victorious communist direct-democrats in turning-out warships to protect the infant revolution. The Experimental Radar-Reduced Frigates were first out. Bodkin, Gauntlet, and Trebuchet classes filled the Indian Ocean (along with Hound Class D/E submarines that are now commonly considered to be, "on their last legs"), each designed -in somewhat naive times- for a specific purpose, those being respectively: "hunter", "fleet defence" and, "shore bombardment".
The SPN has since then moved-on once again, renaming itself the Soviet People's Navy following a dispute with Nicobarese arch-nemesis the Incorporated States Navy, and mustering a much more capable force. Still, the frigates remain central, now represented by several score Bodkin and Gauntlet Batch 3A warships -Trebuchet having fallen by the wayside in the face of competition from aircraft carriers, guided-missile submarines, and dedicated bombardment ships in the form of the Gull Flag Class, named in grudging honour of Iansisle's own revolutionaries.

Here we see the Batch 3A Gauntlet and Bodkin Class frigates (as have appeared in every Beddgelen engagement since Salvador), the Nibiru Class assault ship and light carriers (as took part in the deployment at the collapse of the Bonstockian Empire), the India Class trimaran fleet carriers (as were central to the liberation of Madagascar from Roycelandian occupation), and the venerable Hound Class diesel-electric coastal defence submarines (as exported to the Choson People's Republic of Dra-pol where they have tackled invaders from the South Korean to the Lunatic Retard Robot (now respected Beddgelen allies), and on to the staunchly Christian Quinntonian).

It should probably be noted that I'm pretty fricking drunk and just guessing the dimension of the Hound Class (though I've found specs on the other vessels).

Hound Class Submarine (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/HoundSubmarineProject2.jpg) (72m over-all length)
Bodkin Class Frigate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/ERRHFrigateBodkin.jpg) (137m over-all length)
Gauntlet Class Frigate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/ERRDFrigateGauntlet.jpg) (137m over-all length)
Nibiru Class Assault Carrier (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/Nibirudisplay.jpg) (185m over-all length)
India Class Fleet Carrier (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/IndiaClass.jpg) (307m over-all length)

ooops wrong urls. ur .. yeah .

Latest thingy (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress21.png)
Latest thingy, but smaller (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress21small.png)

Announcement!

Future Tech fans rejoice, as Doc has decided to make a new and seperate chart for space vessels, so spaceships will now also be accepted!


NEW! The Big NS Starship chart (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/Thebignsstarshipchartv1.png) (First version, does not yet include NS ships.)

the Really Really big ships will go here (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/thechartofrealybigNSstarshipsv1.png)

Both of these are obviously Revenian craft. I'm just obscenely lazy.

http://www.freewebs.com/revenia/Customs%20Corvette.JPG
System Customs Corvette, call it 125 meters.

http://www.freewebs.com/revenia/Chevalier%20topview.JPG
Chevalier class Pursuit Cruiser, 500 meters long.

I dont know if this is the right place for submissions to the Starship chart, but here goes anyway!


Aumanii Hellespontos Class Super Dreadnought:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Auman/Dreadnt4-S.png

Length: 311 meters, rest of the body to scale I would guess.


Aumanii Au-170 frigate:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Auman/AU-170Side.png

Length: 145 meters, body to scale.


Noriega Class Cruiser:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Auman/Nor-Side.bmp

Length: 240 meters, body to scale.


Aumanii Patrol Cutter:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Auman/comp-cutter.png

Length: 68 meters, to scale.


Aumanii Margaritifer Class Carrier:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Auman/comp-carrier.png

Length: 390 meters, vessel to scale.

Rawr. (http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/244142.png)

From top to bottom: Inverse Class dreadnought (6000m), Starburst Class battleship (1200m), Ares Class freighter (980m), Usagi Class battlecruiser (514m), Titan Class freighter (470m), Musai Daioh Class cruiser (380m), Talos Class destroyer (164m), Serpent Class frigate (126m), Lute Class cargo runner (140m), Coho Class combat support ship (110m), Trebuchet Class ortillery corvette (76m)

Update!
The Chart of Really big NS Starships
http://img190.exs.cx/img190/718/thechartofrealybignsstarshipsv.png

Oh yes!!

*runs of all stary eyed to his picture folder*

Update.
The Big Chart Of NS Starships
http://img239.exs.cx/img239/5994/thebignsstarshipchartv26si.png

Ok here is the Dargonese main capitol ships..

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DargTerrornought.jpg
Terrornought Class Fleet Command Ship
Length 12.6 kilometers

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DargBattleship.jpg
Morg Class Battleship
Length 2.97 kilometers

And the smaller ones

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DarHevCarrier.jpg
Baratur Class Carrier
Height : 1.8 km

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DargHevCruiser.jpg
Drazulka Class Battle Cruiser
Length 925 meters

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DargCruiser.jpg
Garaden Class Cruiser
Length 654 meters

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/Darglightcruiser.jpg
Kassarat Class Light Cruiser
Length 490 meters


And their info page..
http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/DargMech1.htm

http://ainulindalion.0catch.com/images/SizeCompareLarge.JPG

Large Ship at top:
Capella-class Dreadnaught 3995 meters

First Column (Top to Bottom):
Dragonstar-class Battlecruiser 998 meters

Fearless-class Heavy Cruiser 778 meters

Apollo-class Light Cruiser 457 meters

Janissary-class Destroyer 257 meters

Second Column (Top to Bottom):
Giftake-class Dreadnaught 900 meters

Rede-class Carrier 650 meters

Kurultai-class Cruiser 600 meters

Coregn-class Destroyer 350 meters

Ristar-class Frigate 160 meters

And the final listing for the Dargonese Ships

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DargLightCarrier.jpg
Katalid Class Light Escort Carrier
Height 432 Meters

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DargDestroyer.jpg
Sharima Class Destroyer
Length 235 meters

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DargFrigate.jpg
Naytum Class Frigate
Length 187 meters

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DargScout.jpg
Thrapas Class Scout
Length 102 meters

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DargoColShip.jpg
Pitturri Colony Ship
Length 1942 meters

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DarhHevtrans.jpg
Bardunak Heavy Transport
Length 764 meters

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/totalrandom/DargLightTrans.jpg
Kibro Light Transport
Length 345 meters


And here are their fluff pages.
http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/DargMech2.htm
http://www.geocities.com/bishoplotus/DargMech3.htm

Update!
The Chart of Really big NS Starshipsv.3
http://img134.exs.cx/img134/718/thechartofrealybignsstarshipsv.png

Update!
The Big Chart Of NS Starships v.3
http://ainulindalion.0catch.com/images/Thebignsstarshipchartv3.png

Are these of any use?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/OmegaClassBattleship.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/PraefeleClassDestroyer.gif

Yep they are fine.

Just to beat Dargon I present to you, the never before produced, conceptualized Aumanii Fortress Vendetta!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Auman/Concept-Fortress-Vendetta.png

Measuring out at 1998 meters in length, the Aumanii Fortress Vendetta was conceptualized after the Melkor War but never produced fully due to cost concerns. The hull remains in Aumanii shipyards, though it is unlikely that it will ever be finished.

And I'll note, this design has been sitting in my DoGA files for months...I just thought I'd bring it out to try and one up Dargon :P

LOL! oh very nice! hehhee

http://www.pacifier.com/~cziller/ToYShipSizes.html

Sorry, about the background, but that is most of the stuff the Trium/Members use.


Scale seems off on the starship pages.

The Constitunal Monarchy of Gililand cordially invites the representative's of all governments to attend the simultaneous launching of four different classes of blue-water warships.

HRH John of Gililand is quoted as saying, "This is a great day for Gililand. My fleet of mightyt warships will ensure that my people can live free and unfettered lives, secure in the knowlege that their navy has the tools they need to defend our shores."

Admiral John Turner, Fleet Commander, says, "Our walls of steel will protect the homeland."

See these new ships below:

Cheshire Class SD
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gililand/SD1.bmp

Behemoth Class SD
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gililand/SD2.bmp

Absolutist Class SD
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gililand/SD3.bmp

Collossus Class SD http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/gililand/BB1.bmp

We look forward to your presence.

UPDATED! The Naval comparison chart (small version until knoot can host the big one) so far (70+ ships), Sorry gilland I just finished as you posted. Will add yours on the morrow.
http://img104.exs.cx/img104/8271/inprogress22small4lc.png

Thanks, ZM

Oooh....nice...when i get this one up and runnin' i'll certainly look this one up :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

Navy big chart (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/inprogress22big.png)
REALLY REALLY big starships chart (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/thechartofrealybigNSstarshipsv3.png)
Starships chart (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/Thebignsstarshipchartv3.png)

Krakyud Micron (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/Rudi/Microsub3.gif)
Length: 0.13 metres (13 cm)

- Designed last year, the Krakyud Micron was made after demands by the Sultan for a navy - albeit with complications, as Chinkopodia is landlocked. Therefore a micro-submarine was made, no longer than a Pilot Pen, designed with enough armour to withstand being dropped from a plane over ocean. It is thought to contain one or two items of weaponary, as well as something to the effect of an EMP, and a sonar and camera feed, although no official information has yet been released.

And then it was eaten by a rabid mutant Marlin as part of its eternal act of vengance against humanity.


Ahahah ..no.

And that's supposed to mean?

The Cyclops Superdreadnought (Otagian Navy, OSN Balore)
Size: 30km diameter disk, 6 km thick

Pics: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/Cyclopscomparison2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/cyclopscomparison1.jpg

The Cyclops Superdreadnought (Otagian Navy, OSN Balore)
Size: 30km diameter disk, 6 km thick

Pics: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/Cyclopscomparison2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/cyclopscomparison1.jpg


...

30km > 10,000 metres.

That and its ugly way to wanky and appears to be one doga section sqaushed.

This is an OOC refrence thread for naval vessels and starships ..not a "Bring your own thirty thousand metre wide hubcap of DEAT" thread.

Give me a break. It was a quick render, as I lost the original and made one quick to post. Ah well, fine, I'll post a few of my smaller ships. Would somethin 12 km long be allowable? There's already ships bigger than that on the list.

EDIT: Oh, and it's four sections. I'd have more, but as I said, it was a quick render.

EDIT: And too wanky? Hell, I've seen much bigger ships! Some over 50 km!

EDIT: And the poorly ripped-off picture of a Homeworld fighter (shame on you! You can see the cockpit, for crying out loud!) seems to be, what... 16 km? Add more ships and there'd be plenty of room for the Cyclops along the side.

Using my BB that you made for me eh? Good show :D.. lol

PDV-Anshar: TSA-ZZMKIII Leviathan Class Battleship. (http://members.cox.net/penguenia/flagshipside.JPG) 5,000 meters.
TSA-ZZMKIII Executioner Class Dreadnought. (http://members.cox.net/penguenia/dreadnoughtside.JPG) 3,000 meters.
TSA-ZZMKIII Idolater Class Cruiser-Carrier. (http://members.cox.net/penguenia/carrier%20side.JPG) 2,000 meters.
TSA-ZZMKIII Sabbat Class Destroyer. (http://members.cox.net/penguenia/destroyerside.JPG) 500 meters.

Give me a break. It was a quick render, as I lost the original and made one quick to post. Ah well, fine, I'll post a few of my smaller ships. Would somethin 12 km long be allowable? There's already ships bigger than that on the list.

EDIT: Oh, and it's four sections. I'd have more, but as I said, it was a quick render.

EDIT: And too wanky? Hell, I've seen much bigger ships! Some over 50 km!

EDIT: And the poorly ripped-off picture of a Homeworld fighter (shame on you! You can see the cockpit, for crying out loud!) seems to be, what... 16 km? Add more ships and there'd be plenty of room for the Cyclops along the side.


That is a scale image of the Kushan MOTHERSHIP! From homeworld! the single most quickly recognisable ship in Years!. Its fairly hard to miss what it is. That’s not a cockpit! That’s a shipyard!. How in the name of all things could you mistake the mothership for anything else? its THE MOTHERSHIP! It as the Executor, the LEXX and the Peacekeeper command carrier are their for reference purposes. The largest player vessel I have accepted is Drags Terrornought and that’s because his stuff kicks ass beyond your ken and the ship from other views maybe long but she’s partially twin hulled and slender. Why don’t I accept most ships bigger than 10km? (A) Its my chart and I say so (B) Mass to power ratios go to bejesus at that scale (C) THIS IS NOT II.

Omaha-class Grav-Battleship (Space, Atmospheric and Sea (flight/sailing) capabilities)
http://www.flashwirenetwork.net/battleshipside.png
1600 meters long

I have an incredibly huge ship, I don't use it anymore though, not really. It's 15x13.5x12km.

It was the old monster of JJR, besides the Systemkiller (WHICH DOESN'T KILL SYSTEMS, DAMNIT!). I was just wondering if you would accept it. I know it is larger than 10km, however, considering that JJR is over 2 years old, it's not a stretch of the imagination. Also, I believe the respected Kanuckistani Battleplates are much larger...

Aieee! Foe Hammer! Wassobe?

Hey, JJR.

Here's an addition to my previous post. To whoever puts the images onto the chart, use whichever livery you prefer.
http://www.flashwirenetwork.net/livery.png

alrighty I put the battle plates in the "platform" section which I have yet to create. The reason I won't accept ships larger than that is they will infact not fit on the chart while giveing a fair show to the other vessels however I will try and fit it in somewhere along the line and foe Im afriad its just poor little old me doing the chart.

Hmm...

My bad. It's just I've seen a ship that looks pretty much exactly like it used as a fighter an awful lot. Anyway, I was rather brain-dead when I posted that before due to lack of food. So, let's forget that little incident never happened, shall we?

And not putting the Cyclops in isn't really that much of a problem. I only use the thing as a last resort (or a plot device) anyway, so it's not like people are actually gonna see the thing. I'll probably stick a few of my cruisers up, though.

Better.

Well, if you do use it, here is the picture link.

http://img239.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img239&image=tarenteorside3lz.jpg

Helen Drone Carrier: 2km
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/HelenDisplay.jpg

Agamemnon Cruiser: 800m
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/AggamemnonDisplay.jpg

Bellerophon Light Cruiser: 500m
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/BellerephonDisplay.jpg

Wet Navy!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/TyrantSSBN.png

The Tyrant Class SSBN/SSGN, feel free to put in one if you want.

I would love to put my ships on here, but the problem is, none of my ships are in profile...

So? If you use DoGA, just change the angle and take new pics. It takes all of 5 seconds.

Me not artistic enough to use DoGA...

OK, that's a good reason. Nevermind...

Although I'm artistic enough to play the French Horn, I suck at art...

The Phoenix Milita' Starships ( well only the ones that were in doga so I could get a side profile of them :D )
(not to scale)
http://img30.exs.cx/img30/1336/starships2ti.jpg

the Really Really big ships will go here (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/thechartofrealybigNSstarshipsv1.png)

Actually, the Executor is 17.6 km.

The Star Wars databank says it's 12.somthing km.

The Star Wars databank says it's 12.somthing km.

Not canon.

I'll give you some links from Dr. Saxton's page, he was the author of the AOTC: ICS, and is a very respected member of the SW community.

History of the Five Mile Fallacy (http://theforce.net/swtc/ssd5mile.html)

His page about the ship, including sections on dimension (http://theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html#conclusion)

Read through those, and I'll be very, very surprised if you're not convinced.

EDIT: Frankly, WEG and the Expanded Universe have really not treated this ship with respect. The WEG Imperial Sourcebook distorted the drawing of the ship, erroneously labeled it as a mere eight kilometers, and the really annoying part is that writers in the EU took it seriously, so the screwup made it into novels. They don't even get the number of engines right, they say it has nine instead of thirteen. The length I can understand, that actually takes research and work to figure out, but the engines are a simple counting job, and you'd think they could count pass ten!

[FT]
http://anikari.zioncreation.com/HyperionChart.JPG
Hyperion Coreship - 12km/7.5 miles.

UPDATED!The Big NS Starship chart (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/Thebignsstarshipchartv4.png) (Updated Feb 20.)
UPDATED! The Really Really Big NS Starship chart (http://www.fredvogels.org/images/thechartofrealybigNSstarshipsv4.png) (The bigger ships. Updated Feb. 20)

Experiencing some technical difficulties with the main link please use this one until further notice.
http://images.filecloud.com/1638/Thebignsstarshipchartv4.png

Yeah. no idea what happened there, but I updated the link.

You put the Helen on backwards. The rounded end faces forward.

uumkay no real ..um hints as to which way it pointed.

Reich-class superdreadnought (http://wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/cgi-bin/i/Drawings/SW/Exitus.gif)
2.3 kilometers

weould you mind adding this thing:

Poseidon class heavy cruiser
http://img24.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img24&image=pos25dl.jpg
Length: 642.5m
Width: 167m
Height: 137.5m

It appears three out of my four ships were put in. If the Sabbat wasn't put in for some reason, it's all good, but if you just forgot this is a friendly reminder :)

http://img159.exs.cx/img159/705/necromancer4ae.jpg
NERCO mancer class
Length: 3,642.5m ( 3 km)
Width: 1467m
Height: 837.5m


Ive got another :P

It appears three out of my four ships were put in. If the Sabbat wasn't put in for some reason, it's all good, but if you just forgot this is a friendly reminder :)

Same here with my Agamemnon and Bellerophon

I needed sleep. This happens every now and again.

*Skulks in humbly*
If possible, I'd like to submit this into the modern battleships section:

http://img197.exs.cx/img197/3191/soyuz056qm.png

*Pokes thread*

Is it dead? I have a few more ships to throw at you...

No it is not dead please submit at will however I am at the moment quite busy with uni work.

And I am busy with, uhm, world of warcraft. And uni work. yeah.

I'd like to submit this Destroyer.

Ryydra Class ASW Destroyer (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/SME/Naval/RYYDRADDG.png)

The image was made by Hogsweat.

1,025 meters, you can round down to 1,000 if you wish.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/nycto/nyctonclasssb.jpg
Nycton-Class Super Dreadnought

.. Their are insane ships. Large ships. Ships with daft numbers of turrets ..

Then theres that.

Thats just silly.

Its going on the chart but I reserve the right to put "(Silly)" beside it.

I've had the spec's for my super-dreadnought for about 6 months. I made the picture from 12 am to 3 am last night. It may look silly, but I think I did a decent job from my first ship i made in paint in 3 hours. It's kind of a annoying thing to do with that program since I have worked with photoshop for a while. But meh, whatever you think is your opinion though.

I might add that I have only had the basic design of the ship designed in my head, I kind of just went with what happened on paint last night, it's not suppose to be the most accurate measuring program nor the most advanced graphic tool from my exp.

So don't flame me for it. Kthx.

I've had the spec's for my super-dreadnought for about 6 months. I made the picture from 12 am to 3 am last night. It may look silly, but I think I did a decent job from my first ship i made in paint in 3 hours. It's kind of a annoying thing to do with that program since I have worked with photoshop for a while. But meh, whatever you think is your opinion though.

I might add that I have only had the basic design of the ship designed in my head, I kind of just went with what happened on paint last night, it's not suppose to be the most accurate measuring program nor the most advanced graphic tool from my exp.

So don't flame me for it. Kthx.


Um ..its your ship man who else do we have to blame? And who said anything about blame?

Plenty of people start of in paint, they don't go putting an anchor that must weigh several hundred tons on the superstructure. A super structure that is phenomenally tall, thus leading to a massive keel. That ships draught would be insane and as for the covered flight deck that’s just face palm time. The stern super structural overhang is a massive liability to boot with the extra structural instability it would cause just being silly on top of that the extra mass of those main gun turret towers is just nuts.

It actually reduced Free to semi insensibility when I showed it to him. I would advise you to start on a ship just a tad smaller, like a frigate and work your way up. There are very very good reasons ships look the way they do. Keep her low, that signature is way to tall. Even free doesn’t go that high and he uses tri mirans so they won’t barrel role when they salvo. That thing on the other hand seems to be a mono hull, a wide as ghu mono hull if you intend to have any stability with a structural sail area that big. Note this will mean she will be sloooooow.

Start on a frigate and work your way up to an SD. As stated this will go up on the chart but you will be getting a silly beside it for your own and others good. This is constructive criticism not “blame” and heaven forbid not a "flame".

The anchor was more of a joke. Lol, I wasn't serious about that part, more of a space taker or there just to say it's a ship. That part, is meant for you to laugh about. As I said, i've spec'd out my ship close to 6 months ago when Doujin got popular, I said "Hey, that's a good idea" and made one of my own. So what if I can't draw one in paint? I was experimenting a ship design with paint? So what? If your gonna flip out about feasibility on a little 3 hour project I sat here and did from scratch forget I even posted it.

I invisioned my ship to be more like Doujin's in the first place, to look more like a modern battleship than a post-modern/future one. I saw automag's and just kinda went with something like that. Chill out, it's hilarious how people can just flip out over some paint design I didn't even plan out, that I just drew from scratch with no plans for it. I just went with whatever mostly.

See the problem is I spend a lot of time and effort on my vessels and so do others. I also spend time and effort on this chart and I can expect no less than at least part of this from those who submit vessels to said chart. I enjoy creating vessels and the attitude of “whatever” to three hours “work” could be seen as “silly”. This is a chart for legitimate OOC reference purposes for reasonable accepted role-play, hence the terms of limitation in its submissions. Your vessel pushes the edges of credibility of a role-play and your stated attitude to the creation of a vessel is not one I would condone. Please others try very hard. Its not that your vessel is ugly, or the art quality low its that the basic concept and design is pushing the very limit of credibility in an already incredible situation of communally acceptable role play limitations. Simply put I reserve the right to vet something as “silly” when it blatantly is however I won’t even refuse to accept it I will accommodate its “silliness” I will still even put it on the chart. I will however call them as I see them. Gods above we already push the limits of silliness to their limits and further and if something is that silly I will OOC label it so.

tag

I gotta get to this

This may have been asked before but here goes anyway, does it matter if it's technically a starship or an ordinary, non-FTL/interstellar spaceship?

This may have been asked before but here goes anyway, does it matter if it's technically a starship or an ordinary, non-FTL/interstellar spaceship?

I dont think it matters at all, my patrol cutter has no FTL.

No problem at all. If you look at the smaller vessels you will see dropships and shuttles and so forth.

http://s9.invisionfree.com/SME/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=122467 UNION CLASS LPH
http://s9.invisionfree.com/SME/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=130256 UNITY CLASS SD
http://s9.invisionfree.com/SME/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=133017 VICTORY SUPERCARRIER
please add them, and replace the indomitable with the Victory. Scrap the Entente and the earlier Cossack and replace it with http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/SME/Naval/Type30CossackClassBatchIII.png

If you wish, you could also add
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/SME/Naval/Type28CommonwealthClassBatcHIII2.png TYPE 28 DESTROYER
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/HogsweatNS/Type26RepublicClassBatchIV.png
TYPE 26 FRIGATE
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/HogsweatNS/Type28CommonwealthClassASWBatchII.png
TYPE 28 ASW DESTROYER

Oh, and please remove the old Commonwealth also and replace it wit the above linked. Thanks.

Was the Hyperion too big or something? I designed it to be 3/4 the size of a canon SSD, thus it should have fit on the chart, but whatever. I'd like to submit this then:

Neodämmerung Class Star Battleship
2,000 Meters
http://anikari.zioncreation.com/NeodammerungChart.jpg

No it was not too big its just I havent finished an update of the chart in a while I am under considerable preasure from uni work.

GMC:

Railship-submarine Isengard and attendant series [1,000ft]:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/GMC/Isengard.jpg

Eurusea:

Kraken series shore bombardment submarines [1,225ft 11in]:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Eurusea/Kraken.jpg

Fluff:

Railships Isengard, Minas Tirith, Islay

1,000ft

The success of this series of battleship-submarines would eventually lead to the development of the Scinfaxi and Hrimfaxi submarine-dreadnoughts. The primary armament of nine 19.2 inch railguns is carried in three triple turrets mounted on telescopic barbettes; when retracted the turret roof sits flush to the hull and a pair of doors close over the gun barrels. Retractable doors likewise cover the three VLS arrays when submerged.

Concerns with frequent jams of the primary turrets while extended mean this class has the ability to jettison entire turrets prior to submerging, the systems involved significantly decreasing her missile payload. There are an increasing number who question whether these systems are even necessary given the turret ring and barbette have been redesigned twice since the old F47 unit and newer versions show a vastly lower failure rate, and they are notably absent on the Scinfaxi.

Shore Bombardment Platforms, Kraken series

1,225ft 11in

The Kraken series feature large stepped structures fore and aft accommodating large batteries of conventional army field howitzers behind heavy armoured shields that retract downward when the Kraken is firing. The trimaran design, while doing nothing for the vessel's sonar profile, makes the Kraken an exceptionally stable fire support platform and heavy armour means they are especially well adapted to providing close-range fire support for amphibious assaults.

As this is an OOC reference thread I would remind you that while it is nice to see IC submissions of your vessels it is not needed to carry on imperial style measurements in this thread because of said IC submissions. I would very much like if you could please insure that all further measurements are in metric form. This is just a request to make my life easier. Naval chart update underway.

http://img223.exs.cx/img223/4662/shipprofiles6ph.gif

water navy

I did not put a waterline for the Montior Class since its waterline is variable.

Shusaka Class Battleship
http://home.ripway.com/2005-2/266607/bship.JPG
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=401454 <--- thread
Length: 653m (2142 ft)

Unexpected heavy uni work bringing delays, very sorry. All submissions will be included as soon as possible.

http://img223.exs.cx/img223/4662/shipprofiles6ph.gif

water navy

I did not put a waterline for the Montior Class since its waterline is variable.


Man um your links gone dead.

Seems to be working fine for me....

I uploaded it to another host...

http://phoenix.flashwirenetwork.net/shipprofiles.gif

--------
The origninal link,
http://img223.exs.cx/img223/4662/shipprofiles6ph.gif

still seems to be working for me even after I cleared my cache hmm...

Yo.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/GeorgeWashingtonCVNL.png

Stealthy Carrier Project thingy/

305 metres, though its at the same scale as everything else

Type 72 Battlecruiser (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/fbcatholicsfan/Type72Battlecruiser-png.png)

The ship comes in at a length of 290 meters.

Type 52 Frigate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/fbcatholicsfan/Type52Frigate-png.png)

The ship comes in at a length of 142 meters.

Type 14 Export Frigate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/fbcatholicsfan/Type14ExportFrigate-png.png)

The ship comes in at a length of 122 meters.

Type 10 Corvette (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/fbcatholicsfan/Type10Corvette-png.png)

The ship comes in at a length of 55 meters.

CG-42 Breningrad Class Heavy Guided Missile Cruiser (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/fbcatholicsfan/CGN-42ClassGuidedMissileCruiser-png.png)

The ship comes in at a length of 277 meters.

Hope you all enjoy mine as much as I have yours.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/?action=view&current=ClanGrantAOR.png

about 190 metres, but same scale as all my other stuff. Use this to replace the other Clan Grant image.

Updated pic of the Joanna von Sachausen-A class battleship (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/Syskeyia/jobbacammo.gif)

Doc? Do you have updates for me?

No I am wallowing in self pity and dissulusionment while trying to finish my dissertation.

I know your busy, but felt I should post it since I happen to be thinking of it at the time.

Carina Class SSGN (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/carina3.gif)

Length: 120m

Starships:

Kani-type Supercarrier (1630m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/supercarrier.jpg)
Vanaar-type Carrier (1200m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/carrier.jpg)
Sorani Cruise Ship (1150m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/cruiseship.jpg)
Viishar-type Battleship (800m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/battleship.jpg)
Lirel-type Destroyer (500m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/destroyer.jpg)
Sheyra-type Gravitic Cruiser (400m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/cruiser.jpg)
Myrka-type Gravitic Frigate (250m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/frigate.jpg)
Alar-type Long Range Probe (150m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/probeship.jpg)

And one that no one really owns:

Arasurian Derelict (14,350m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/derelict14.jpg)

ZOMG update in progress please standby.

Knoot if your alive please be ready to update.

Yes I know Ive taken my sweet time about it. I was somewhat busy with uni work and life and so forth.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/ImperialClassSDRefit.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/HavenClassBattleship.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/JupiterClassASWFrigate.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/Imperial%20Praetonian%20Shipyards/TitanClassAircraftCarrier.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/Imperial%20Praetonian%20Shipyards/LionClassCruiser2.gif

Also, is it me or are my ship line drawings a little shallow depth-wise?

No, your proportions are off length-wise.

What do you mean? Am I packing too much stuff in?

ZOMG update in progress please standby.

Knoot if your alive please be ready to update.

Yes I know Ive taken my sweet time about it. I was somewhat busy with uni work and life and so forth.

I am alive. Just send me files.

What do you mean? Am I packing too much stuff in?

I hate to sya it but your drafts are pretty shallow. Certainly far too little draft and air draft for ships with their weaponry. They're also way too overloaded with weapons, in retrospect, to be able to carry sufficient crew and equipment.

I hate to sya it but your drafts are pretty shallow. Certainly far too little draft and air draft for ships with their weaponry. They're also way too overloaded with weapons, in retrospect, to be able to carry sufficient crew and equipment.
I've been thinking the same thing recently... I think I'll redo them when I have time.

What do you mean? Am I packing too much stuff in?

[The ships are too long.]

OOC: So, where's this update?

OOC: So, where's this update?

Well seeing as these guys are doing it for free and in their spare time, I'd say, when they damn well feel like it. Good answer for ya?

I'll prod Doc about it when I see him. :)

oh NOEZ not TEH CHART!
http://images.filecloud.com/3930/not_tehchart.png

Chart update underway for DEFINITE this time.

Wet Navy Charts update.

Large Version
http://images.filecloud.com/22543/inprogress23big.png
Small Version
http://images.filecloud.com/22545/inprogress23small.png

Standing by.

Updated the links. :)

Kajali Imperator Carrier (506m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/imperator.jpg)

Yeah. It's not spacedy. ^_^ Kajali tend to use spacecraft for such things as fighter and naval support more than wet-navy craft these days. The Imperator is one of the few wet-navy ships still used by Kajal's military forces, and the class sees most of its service these days on Mars.

the Krob Alkulya class submarine http://img140.echo.cx/img140/5499/krobalkulyaclassmark35yf.th.jpg (http://img140.echo.cx/my.php?image=krobalkulyaclassmark35yf.jpg) stats will come in my new high detail naval thread

Kroblexskij I require just two things from you (A) A clear original image and (B) the exact length in metres.

While a brief description of the vessel in question is allowed please refrain from posting links to nebulous store front threads or sites naval or otherwise. A link to the precise post of that individual vessels description and statistics is allowable but a transcript of said description is preferable.

One:

Riptide Class Corvette (choose any version)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/RiptideHCS.png

Tyrant SSBN
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/TyrantSSBN.png

Ankara Class Cruiser CGN
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/AnkaraCGN.png

Berlin Class Land Attack Cruiser (CGN)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/BerlinCGN.png

Oh, and this is an actual sizecomp between the Centaur and Centaur X, I would advise ya to check yours :P
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/sizecomp2.png

If you dont mind that im still working on the write up here is the completed image for the BB-33 'Trinity' Battleship (333m) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/bb33.gif)

Wet navy chart update
http://www.deviantart.com/view/17976063/ Big Image
http://www.deviantart.com/view/17976621/ Small Image

Thread links updated.

bah forget mine then

Yes ..we will.

What's the prefered format you wish to use or doesn't that matter? I may submit some of my own naval and perhaps some future designs too. It's a great project, good job to both of you.

As previously stated a clear image of the vessel from a side view with a pale backround, the vessels name, class and length in metres is all that is required. However due to the fact that .gif resize is ..well awfull (and conversion can in theory at least loose data though not with paintshop pro 9 from what Ive seen) if your vessels could be in .png or .jpeg that would be great.

Kajali Defender(425.5m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/defender.jpg)

Maybe I'll render up some subs next. Taking into account space superiority, those would likely be more common than surface ships on Kajal anyways. ^_^

Sword Class SSBN (150m) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/sword2.jpg)
Pacem Class GP Destroyer (200m) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/GPdestroyer.jpg)
McConchie Class Assault Carrier (453m) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/CVN.jpg)

I also apologize about posting the last one in .gif format It just slipped my mind (.gif is better for displaying line work full size, but resizes horribly) and I just didn’t think about it at the time.

Since Doc agreed on IRC...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Eurusea/Fortress-alone.jpg

Allegretto : Eurusean Federation Floating Fortress

3,855ft 7 1/2 in / 1,175.2 metres

[And the better pic with background and escorts is here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Eurusea/Fortress15ultratext.jpg)]

Quality Class DDL
218 Metres
http://photobucket.com/albums/v685/SME/?action=view&current=DDL.png

Kajali Farhir Battlecruiser (675m) (http://palara.sularan.net/ships/farhir.jpg)

Spacedy.

Archon Class Siege Drednaught [757m] (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/ARCHON2.jpg)

Working on updates now, well that and trying to get a job. Update will be up by the end of the week.

re-uploaded the starship chart :)

ICS ISLAND battlecarrier -1574 ft.- (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/zimmy60/ICSISLAND.bmp)


Note: It doesn't look right, as it's a tri-marine hull. If actually has three flight decks on her, and two superstructures.

That very well may be the first image I have to resize up to match the chart. Heavens you could be some manner of super submitter and have already prefectly sized it.

I only wish I was this artistic!

Type I Submarine (http://img118.echo.cx/img118/3893/patrolsub1hn.jpg)

Length: 30 Meters

Is it okay if the ships are drawn by hand?

Name: Sloth Reliant SPNG - Light Coastal Defence Unit
With info: http://img294.echo.cx/img294/3982/spaniglandship2om.jpg
Without: http://img294.echo.cx/img294/3489/spaniglandshipni3cg.jpg

(if you want me to colour it, i can, quite easily)

Name: Sloth Reliant S.D.V Tesselation
Length: 250 m.
http://img275.echo.cx/img275/2606/tesselationspaniglandship9hy.jpg

Here are some key Excalbian ship classes:

The Majestic-class carrier features light-weight foamed alloy construction, powerful and silent modular integrated electric drives and impressive stealth capabilities. It is built on a trimaran hull.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ILCLBT/Majestyclasscarrier.jpg

The ship's length, overall is 375 m and the flight deck width is 125 m.

The Citadel-class command cruiser is also constructed on a trimaran hull and boasts the same construction and propulsion system. The class carriers 200 vertical launch system (VLS) missile cells, a forward 255 mm gun, a rear 125 mm gun, 14 torpedo tubes and 4 close-in weapon system (CIWS) mounts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ILCLBT/citadelcommandcruiser.jpg

The ship's length, overall is 200 m and the width is 30 m.

The Samuel II-class cruiser features foamed alloy construction and the same engine system as other Excalbian ships, but is built on a monohull. It is designed to have an very low profile above the waterline and boasts many stealth features, including a non-cavitating drive. It carries over 600 VLS cells, capable of firing a single volley of 600 independently targeted, AI-controlled missiles, a single 125 mm forward mounted gun, 16 torpedo tubes and 4 CIWS mounts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ILCLBT/SamuelIIcruiser.jpg

The ship's length, overall is 185 m and the width is 20 m.

The Daniel III-class cruiser is very similar to the Samuel II-class, except its larger superstructure is located amid ship and carries only 200 VLS cells. In place of the additional VLS cells, the ship carries fore and aft magnetic particle weapons and boasts expanded aviation capabilities. The partical weapons are rumoured to be based on the Crimson Star weapon developed by the Varessan Commonwealth and deployed by the Upper Virginian Air Force in its coup against General Altman. In that coup, a single Crimson Star, deployed on a single aircraft, totally destroyed Altman's HQ and sank a task group of four loyalist frigates and cruisers on one pass.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ILCLBT/DanielIIIcruiser.jpg

The ship's length, overall is 185 m and the width is 20 m.

When's the next update coming? I'm not rushing you, or anything.

Just got back from my Grand Uncles funeral and the U2 concert in Dublin. Will get to the update after I catch up on stuff.

http://www.illspirit.co.uk/sonnewhitebg.JPG
Mindsetti Sonne class Battleship - 680m.

As a side note, some of the links in the opening post are dead.

Actually, almost all the links in this thread are. Something like this should exist for land vehicles, too.

My system went down yesterday, the links are knoot's responsiblity go bug the dutch man. I have been considering a land vehicles chart and an aircraft chart for some time and indeed have already created such for some of my own as an experiment.

Ah, yes, I changed servers. Anyway, I updated the links. They should work now.

An FT Land section would be nice. I've got a crud-load of mecha I could put on it...

Pirahna Class Sub (http://tinypic.com/5o8qpy)

Length: 25m

No Doga Bullshit!

umm What can we say about the Pirahna Class Sub from Sileetris...
um ...


urr....

No Doga Bullshit! Hey, respect the MSCavePaint!

Anyway if you really insist, it doesn't have to be a hydrofoil.... If you want I can include the non-hydrofoil waterline, or the entirely non-hydrofoil version.

Actually, almost all the links in this thread are. Something like this should exist for land vehicles, too.

There is the problem of how on Earth you would fit a million and one Merkava / Black Eagle / Abrams / Challenger / Leopard knockoffs on the same page.

More so if they're on the same chart as some of the really big NS land vehicles like Megalith [over half a mile across] or the Vermilion...They'd look a little silly.

umm What can we say about the Pirahna Class Sub from Sileetris...

'What the hell is that supposed to be?'

'What the hell is that supposed to be?'
"How on earth does it balance?"

"How on earth does it balance?" It touches the water at 4 points when hydrofoiling so it shouldn't be that big a deal. The picture of it shows its water level during hydrofoiling, meaning it is moving and getting lift; the normal water level is much higher.

Sadly, this isn't a totally made up concept; the Germans were going to build a submersible hydrofoil during WW2.

It touches the water at 4 points when hydrofoiling so it shouldn't be that big a deal. It still looks exceptionally top-heavy...

For that to have any chance of working as a hydrofoil, you'd have to shunt the submerged wings up to only just below the waterline. Right now it just looks like a submarine on stilts.

It touches the water at 4 points when hydrofoiling so it shouldn't be that big a deal. The picture of it shows its water level during hydrofoiling, meaning it is moving and getting lift; the normal water level is much higher.

Um...The sheer size of the upper part is the issue. As soon as it hit rough sea it would capsize. Also, a hydrofoil is so called because it has aerofoils on the end of it's 'stilts,' and yours doesn't appear to have any. Plus, the mission profiles of a submarine and a hydrofoil are kinda diametrically opposed.

Sadly, this isn't a totally made up concept; the Germans were going to build a submersible hydrofoil during WW2.

They were also going to build a train that could tunnel under the English Channel and a plane with the cockpit at the end of one wing. They had a lot of exceptionally bad ideas.

For that to have any chance of working as a hydrofoil, you'd have to shunt the submerged wings up to only just below the waterline. Right now it just looks like a submarine on stilts.Alright, so say I placed the waterline a bit too high in the pic, my mistake but if you just lowered it, it would be fine.

Um...The sheer size of the upper part is the issue. As soon as it hit rough sea it would capsize. Also, a hydrofoil is so called because it has aerofoils on the end of it's 'stilts,' and yours doesn't appear to have any. Plus, the mission profiles of a submarine and a hydrofoil are kinda diametrically opposed. The capsizing part has always been a problem with hydrofoils; it simply chooses not to use the hydrofoil parts in rough seas.

It does have aerofoils, they are there in the drawing.

Its funny you should mention that, because the mission profiles of say a battleship or a carrier are also quite different from that of a submarine..... Or maybe its possible the ability to go under water doesn't determine the role of the ship?

Its funny you should mention that, because the mission profiles of say a battleship or a carrier are also quite different from that of a submarine..... Or maybe its possible the ability to go under water doesn't determine the role of the ship?

This is because Isengard is a surface vessel that can dive to escape direct attack. Anyone who looks at the shape of her bow can tell she's not a true sub, not quiet enough. That doesn't help you in the least, because she isn't claiming to be a capable sub and a capable battleship. She's a powerful ship on the surface, but a mediocre and highly unstealthy boomer. Your ship is the opposite, a ship that's principally a submarine but can move around quickly on the surface for no apparent reason.

A submarine that can launch aircraft from underwater is a useful proposition, but is also nothing like what you're suggesting. Both use their submersible ability to reduce their visiblity or vulnerability, the battleship is still a surface battleship and the carrier is still either a surface carrier or an SSBN with drone planes instead of missiles. Neither pretend to also be capable attack submarines as yours does, and both need their own escorting battlegroups of real submarines to protect them from the enemy's real submarines. To the submarine battleship the sea is a form of armour, not a valid medium to fight under.

Your sub converts from a noisy-as-all-hell submarine to a fast hydrofoil. There is no sensible reason to make such a transition; a quiet sub [one that doesn't use supercavitation to tell the entire ocean exactly where it is] could get close enough to deliver missiles [as if any sub captain gives a shit about his missiles to begin with] or torpedos without needing to perform the ridiculously dangerous step of accelerating to the right speed to drop its hydrofoils on the surface, during the entire time of which it would be generating an incredible amount of sonar noise and be completely vulnerable to anything that felt like shooting it. That totally impractical shape also means it's only slightly more hydrodynamic than the average brick and would generate a surface wake bigger than most submarines ten times its size.

Long story short, try to avoid comparing submarine capital ship design to submarine gunboat design and making the most ludicrous conclusion you possibly can.

Whoever said anything about it being quiet? The only time it would be quiet is when it is sitting on the bottom listening with passive sonar, in which case it would still be detectable with active sonar, just like anything else.

The idea of this thing is to be a fast attack boat that doesnt have to sit around as a surface target when it isn't needed. Normal fast attack boats will always be out there on the surface, ready for any fighter-bomber to plop a missile on, or any battleship to turn one of its smaller turrets on from over the horizon. With this, an enemy would have to close to ASW range or deploy helicopters at a range. Since these, like fast attack boats, will be operating in littoral areas, sending ASW choppers off into the distance won't work very well, so an enemy is faced with bunch of fast attack boats once they enter their strike range.

The impractical shape is a result of cramming equipment into the smallest possible chassis, the idea being that it doesn't need to move very fast under water, and when on the surface it is either cruising around when out of danger or moving quickly on hydrofoils.

I think we're on the same page in terms of why we submerge stuff that isn't meant to fight submerged... So would you prefer if I called it a submersible attack hydrofoil?

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You use the foul....emoticons in this thread that has taken so much of my time, effort and attention and you enter nothing of consequence in so doing.

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