NationStates Jolt Archive

Well, Sliponia was eliminated from their first Lancre Cup (football/soccer) in the demisemi final 4-0 but that was after winning other games by large margins. We still love you Sliponia!!!

From the Sliponia Supporters Squad

http://veratien.ksilebo.net/lancre/forums/viewtopic.php?t=102

I propose no permanent banning unless the person says one of the following word(s):

Soccer
Round of 16
Belmore

Seconded.

Wait.. did belmore get to the round of 16 in the soccer world cup? :D

Wait.. did belmore get to the round of 16 in the soccer world cup? :D

[BANNED]

Ha, Kingy -- he's banned. Ha, haha ha.

I remember when I was banned, for doing something or other.

Man, and all for talking about ******* being in the ****** *****-**-**.

Ha, Kingy -- he's banned. Ha, haha ha.

I remember when I was banned, for doing something or other.

Man, and all for talking about ******* being in the ****** *****-**-**.

Translation into British English:
Man, and all for talking about TBF being in the football second round.

There was a lot of sudden-death overtime in the playoffs this time, wasn't there?

There was a lot of sudden-death overtime in the playoffs this time, wasn't there?

Translation in to Brit/TnUI English:
There were a lot of matches going into extra time in the second round and quarter finals this time, werent there?
</sarcasm>

Wait.. did belmore get to the round of 16 in the soccer world cup? :D

[BANNED]

YAY!

...

wait... really? :shock:

I propose no permanent banning unless the person says one of the following word(s):

Soccer
Round of 16
Alan Belmore
Playoffs


Also talking about team ranks and whining.

Wait, this one could turn into a bit of a problem...

Belmore

It's easy, TBF.

TBF, just say 'TBF.'

That sure was hard, TBF.

Well, now that I think about it, TBF -- TnUI will probably ban 'TBF' along with 'Belmore.'

A qaundry it is.

NSCL3
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88335

NSCL4 Signup
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=95202

I propose no permanent banning unless the person says one of the following word(s):

Soccer
Round of 16
Alan Belmore
Playoffs

Sorry, but how do you call it instead? My english is not really good and I constantly look up words in dictionaries. That was the only translation I found.

I propose no permanent banning unless the person says one of the following word(s):

Soccer
Round of 16
Alan Belmore
Playoffs

Sorry, but how do you call it instead? My english is not really good and I constantly look up words in dictionaries. That was the only translation I found.

Second Round.

Isn't second round a bit ambigous? It sounds like refering to everything past group stages.

Isn't second round a bit ambigous? It sounds like refering to everything past group stages.

No, you see what you have is the first round also called the "group stage", then the second round, quarterfinals, semi-finals, and then the final.

I propose no permanent banning unless the person says one of the following word(s):

Soccer
Round of 16
Alan Belmore
Playoffs


Also talking about team ranks and whining.
As long as you don't include wine-ing.

Isn't second round a bit ambigous? It sounds like refering to everything past group stages.

*in america, there is much laughter over this particular discussion point. we hear "chuckle". we hear "ha". we hear "he he he". we even hear some giggling. we are very amused. it is just too perfect. again - chuckle.* :wink:

(REJ: we are not laughing at you. this came up some time ago, as in america "round of 16", "round of 8" is more or less acceptable - but we soon found that in most of the rest of the english speaking world, we were considered idiots if we didn't say "1st Round", "2nd Round", etc. to have you raise it now, after looking for a translation...well...)

p.s. just out of curiosity, what is your primary language? i would have thought it was english.

@SN38: You would really have thought it? My native language is german.

I did not know that this expression is common the USA and laughed at in other parts of the world :?

@SN38: You would really have thought it? My native language is german.

I did not know that this expression is common the USA and laughed at in other parts of the world :?
Sie sind Deutsch? Ich war mit die Americanischer Army in Deutschland stationiert von 1972 bis 1975 - bei Bad Kreuznach und Dexheim, etwas sudlich vom Frankfurt, on diem Nahe. Ich liebe Deutschland sehr (und, naturlich, Deutsches bier). Wo wohens du?

(what little german i know i learned while i was there - and i never really did learn to write it. i used to speak it fairly well, but that was a long time ago. i apologize if i've screwed up the german too badly.)

Zumbeispiel, da oben habe ich "sie" und "du" geschriben, aber du bist nur ein mann (oder, veliecht, frau?). "Sie", oder "du", aber nicht die bide. :D

Sie sind Deutsch? Ich war mit die Americanischer Army in Deutschland stationiert von 1972 bis 1975 - bei Bad Kreuznach und Dexheim, etwas sudlich vom Frankfurt, on diem Nahe. Ich liebe Deutschland sehr (und, naturlich, Deutsches bier). Wo wohens du?

(what little german i know i learned while i was there - and i never really did learn to write it. i used to speak it fairly well, but that was a long time ago. i apologize if i've screwed up the german too badly.)I understood at least what you ment. German is a pretty difficult language, so it is no big flaw to mess certeain things up.
I live in Köln.

...etwas im Deutsch...
...something in English...
I understood at least what you ment. I live in Köln.
Ich wahr einmal im Koln (diese machine hadt keine umlout). *switches to english, because rejs' english is way better than my german* Back in 1997, my oldest son (RMs' big brother) was an exchange student in Belgium. At the same time we had an exchange student from Denmark staying with us in the US. So, when we visited my son, we also traveled up to Denmark - through Germany, and then back. Koln was one of the cities we saw on that trip. I really enjoyed being back in Germany.

To make this a "football" post - The World Cup was held in Germany back in 1974 (i think it was '74) - and I also think Germany won that one. I watched a lot of the matches (on tv). Franz Beckenbaur and Gerd Muller were two of your top players then.

(Yup. 1974 - Host Germany, winner Germany. Quote below is from FIFA website archive of previous World Cups)
"Another host triumph as the West Germans took the new FIFA World Cup™ for the first time with a quite exceptional display of the hard-running, interchanging style in a tournament remembered for the arrival of "total football"."

Ich wahr einmal im Koln (diese machine hadt keine umlout). *switches to english, because rejs' english is way better than my german* Back in 1997, my oldest son (RMs' big brother) was an exchange student in Belgium. At the same time we had an exchange student from Denmark staying with us in the US. So, when we visited my son, we also traveled up to Denmark - through Germany, and then back. Koln was one of the cities we saw on that trip. I really enjoyed being back in Germany.

To make this a "football" post - The World Cup was held in Germany back in 1974 (i think it was '74) - and I also think Germany won that one. I watched a lot of the matches (on tv). I think Hans Beckenbaur was one of your top players then.His name was Franz Beckenbauer. But you remebered correctly, he was our 'Alan Belmore' at that time. :)

:oops: *i'd hoped i edited "hans" to "franz" quickly enough. not.* :oops:

Well, technically I'm at work now...so I'm gonna have to sign off and...work. (Augh!!) 8)

I propose no permanent banning unless the person says one of the following word(s):

Soccer
Round of 16
Belmore

\o/

could you also put 'play-down' there as well? :)

btw, if theres a knockout round at the end of qualifying (like in WC9 and WC5) then yes, it is ok to call it a 'playoff' :) but not in the world cup

why?

because were british, thats why. Our sports are simple but are language isnt 8)

I live in Köln.
I went there on a German trip last year.
(Aber meine deutsche ist nicht gut)

Wow, I didn't expect two people to have been there and to speak a bit german! :shock:

:D Found this interesting entry on the NS Website, on the Rankings page, under "After WC9"

WC9 Rankings
1 Total n Utter Insanity -200,000,000,000 Audioslavia

:shock:

Almost funny enough to justify a double post.

:D Found this interesting entry on the NS Website, on the Rankings page, under "After WC9"

WC9 Rankings
1 Total n Utter Insanity -200,000,000,000 Audioslavia

:shock:
Originally, TnUI created the page to say "1 Total n Utter Insanity - 200 Commerce Heights" because I said that the post-WC9 rankings weren't on the site. Then Audioslavia (at least I'm assuming that's who it was) changed it to say "1 Audioslavia - 200 Total n Utter Insanity". ;)

:D Found this interesting entry on the NS Website, on the Rankings page, under "After WC9"

WC9 Rankings
1 Total n Utter Insanity -200,000,000,000 Audioslavia

:shock:
Originally, TnUI created the page to say "1 Total n Utter Insanity - 200 Commerce Heights" because I said that the post-WC9 rankings weren't on the site. Then Audioslavia (at least I'm assuming that's who it was) changed it to say "1 Audioslavia - 200 Total n Utter Insanity". ;)

I wonder who changed it again...

:D Found this interesting entry on the NS Website, on the Rankings page, under "After WC9"

WC9 Rankings
1 Total n Utter Insanity -200,000,000,000 Audioslavia

:shock:
Originally, TnUI created the page to say "1 Total n Utter Insanity - 200 Commerce Heights" because I said that the post-WC9 rankings weren't on the site. Then Audioslavia (at least I'm assuming that's who it was) changed it to say "1 Audioslavia - 200 Total n Utter Insanity". ;)

I wonder who changed it again...
But isn't -200,000,000,000 a much better ranking than 1? ;)

LOL CH :D

On the topic of rankings: check page 15 of the WC9 tables thread, where Kaze Progressa have posted an alternative ranking system that is designed to be a compromise between the present system and the Spaamian ELO system.

Bleh, KP's puts me down to like 20th or something.

I'm not sure how KP's works; but i'm mostly keen on Spaam's and the old method.

The latter two I like; since they've got me in 7th and 5th in the world, respectively.

LOL Oglethorpia :D

I could easily say I love the old method because it's sent me to 26th and hate the new method because I'm still nearer 50th...

I might try doing the rankings using my new system, see what we get.

I might try doing the rankings using my new system, see what we get.
Give it a shot. Let's get 'em all out on the table, so we can see where we stand (that is a pun. A bad one, but it's early 8) ). At some point, somebody (WCC?) has to decide what we're gonna do.

Btw.... please note that new teams start at 1000 points. So whoever had a problem with that, needn't worry.

I'm quite happy to change my rating system to something easier, and once I've coded it, it would only take a few minutes to get the rankings. (Note that I've got all resultsback to WC3 in a nice format, and I don't really want to use results before then)

:D Found this interesting entry on the NS Website, on the Rankings page, under "After WC9"

WC9 Rankings
1 Total n Utter Insanity -200,000,000,000 Audioslavia

:shock:
Originally, TnUI created the page to say "1 Total n Utter Insanity - 200 Commerce Heights" because I said that the post-WC9 rankings weren't on the site. Then Audioslavia (at least I'm assuming that's who it was) changed it to say "1 Audioslavia - 200 Total n Utter Insanity". ;)

:shock: you mean to say that someone changed it to "1 Audioslavia - 200 Total n Utter Insanity"???

why, whoever could have done that?

:shock: you mean to say that someone changed it to "1 Audioslavia - 200 Total n Utter Insanity"???

why, whoever could have done that?

My agents believe it was the work of someone from Ogle.

:shock: you mean to say that someone changed it to "1 Audioslavia - 200 Total n Utter Insanity"???

why, whoever could have done that?

My agents believe it was the work of someone from Ogle.

would these be the same agents that make sure no one commits 'thought-crime' against your government? :P

would these be the same agents that make sure no one commits 'thought-crime' against your government? :P

Yes, but they don't seem to work on ASians, maybe it's because they don't have thoughts...

Ha - haha.

As for these accusations; I haven't accessed the NSWCC website, much less the editing power of it since World Cup 8.

So no, it had to be someone else; like BEDISTAN!

[Secretary of Sports and Games Stephen Rogers steps up to the podium.]

"Ahem. We at the Bedistan Department of Sports and Games would like to inform everyone that nobody in our department has had anything at all to do with any alterations of the rankings of Total n Utter Insanity, Audioslavia, or any other team. We are appalled by Oglethorpian accusations that we have done so, and respectfully submit that the alterations in question were most likely performed by Kingsford, assuming they have access. If they don't, then they hacked in. Thank you."

;)

would these be the same agents that make sure no one commits 'thought-crime' against your government? :P

Yes, but they don't seem to work on ASians, maybe it's because they don't have thoughts...

maybe...

or maybe its because your agents try and filter out thought-criminals using the fantastic, technically brilliant, 'Volt-Cuntz' meter:

Agent: are you a thoughtcriminal

ASian (or whatevre): no

Agent: fuck, im stumped now...

ASian: Can I go now?!?!?!?!??!

*BANG*

Agent: why did he have to slam the door so hard?

*Agent watches as ASian comes out of the closet and dances the YMCA*

you forgot the comma after "ASian" :)

you forgot the comma after "ASian" :)

You forgot a capital Y. :wink:

TnuI: does the mIRC channel for the World Cup still exist, and if so, is it just for the WCC members?

TnuI: does the mIRC channel for the World Cup still exist, and if so, is it just for the WCC members?

Yes it exists.

No it's for everyone, but there is hardly anyone in it ever.

I'm prepared to go there - maybe we could publicise it again, mentioning the server and channel in here. I can't remember it...

mIRC

/server irc.esper.net 6667

/join #WCC

Thanks TnuI - the almost-pleasingly all-conquering boss of the WC :D

you forgot the comma after "ASian" :)

You forgot a capital Y. :wink:

not really, a capital Y wouldnt change the subject of the sentence like the comma that you forgot ;)

TBF is now located in FIFA, just to let the world know.

This was not a triple post. There are no triple posts in TBF.

[/img]http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg[/img]

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg
This was not a triple post. There are no triple posts in TBF.

Oh yes there are :D

I love this Sahhaf-image :lol:

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/sunderland.jpg

Heh. I was thinking a tank in the background with an american flag painted on the side would be funny...

Ha, that rocks, GZ :D

Heh. I was thinking a tank in the background with an american flag painted on the side would be funny...

The poor, beseiged land of Iraq :wink:

There are no filthy American tanks in Baghdad!

We will greet them with bullets and shoes!

We will roast their stomachs!

Saddam has weapons of mass destruction! We are unshaken in our resolve to find them!

Oh wait, that's the American information minister.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/sunderland.jpg

roflmao :D

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program. :wink:

The Giant Zucchini Pre-World Cup X Thread!! (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96583&highlight=)

I propose no permanent banning unless the person says one of the following word(s):

Soccer
Round of 16
Alan Belmore
Playoffs


OK, in this case, Rejis in not in the third-place pl*****, but in the vinali tikira (that's 'minor final' in rejistanian)

Sign up sheet for WC11 TnUI?

Added.

Proposal for american football world cup (step 1):
Bribe the cool guys with jerseys


Behold!

http://www.ohiocoaster.50megs.com//Nationstates/audioslaviaamfootballjersey.GIF
Audioslavia

http://www.ohiocoaster.50megs.com//Nationstates/bedistanamfootballjersey.GIF
Bedistan

http://www.ohiocoaster.50megs.com//Nationstates/oglethorpiaamfootballjersey.GIF
Oglethorpia

http://www.ohiocoaster.50megs.com//Nationstates/ordamfootballjersey.GIF
One Red Dot

http://www.ohiocoaster.50megs.com//Nationstates/kingsfordnationalamfootballjerseys.GIF
Kingsford


Now do I have more support? Please?

Since when was ORD in American Football?

These are just some sample jerseys I made up because I had the ideas. Ha.

Well, I must admit -- my old flag *does* make a better American football jersey than my new one would... ;)

EDIT: I just changed my flag again, so scratch that. I like this one much better than the black one I had for a few days...

Can you do Giant Evil Spider jerseys, KN?

We're also interested in purchasing mecha. Heh heh.

Proposal for american football world cup (step 1):
Bribe the cool guys with jerseys


Behold!

http://www.ohiocoaster.50megs.com//Nationstates/audioslaviaamfootballjersey.GIF
Audioslavia


ok, i have to admit that that is an ace kit youve done there....

but still... its not football is it? ;)

it's a different kind of football...?

hmm..ORD does not dabble in American Football. we rather take up Rugby. but Football/Soccer is the priority, of course.

Here's some more sports to discuss:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98073

The Curse of the Cup has stricken again, as another former champion is gone. Errinundera, champions of World Cup 7, and whom I had strongly been hoping would return, is now officially an ex-nation, joining the ranks of Brazillico and Al Quds.

Heh.
Out of 8 WC winners over 9 Cups, 4 dead/4 remaining

Heh.
Out of 8 WC winners over 9 Cups, 4 dead/4 remaining
Perhaps losing isn't such a bad thing after all :wink:

Heh.
Out of 8 WC winners over 9 Cups, 4 dead/4 remaining

Actually, 3 dead, 5 remaining:

WC1 - Crosshill - alive
WC2 - Al Quds - dead
WC3 - Giant Zucchini - alive
WC4 - Dennisov - alive
WC5/6 - Brazillico - dead
WC7 - Errinundera - dead
WC8 - Liverpool England - alive
WC9 - Europa Brittania - alive

Heh.
Out of 8 WC winners over 9 Cups, 4 dead/4 remaining

Actually, 3 dead, 1 undead, 4 remaining:

WC1 - Zombiehill - undead
WC2 - Al Quds - dead
WC3 - Giant Zucchini - alive
WC4 - Dennisov - alive
WC5/6 - Brazillico - dead
WC7 - Errinundera - dead
WC8 - Liverpool England - alive
WC9 - Europa Brittania - alive

Crosshill did die, though, didn't they? And then get resurrected.

Needless to say, a nation mourns for the loss of Errinundera. :(

NEWSFLASH:

Giant Zucchini mourns the collapse of a great footballing power. Errinundera, winner of World Cup 7, is the latest in the line of World Cup champions to collapse. Head Coach Mr Hurr, "It is with great sadness that we see another history-making country collapse. Our hearts go out to them." Giant Zucchini international Machterstrassefurtermorgannachttunggutsprechenbuchlungweighetvolkshvargenshtickshnoff, "Actually, we were preparing to mourn for the collapse of Leeds, but this came first, so, anyway, our hearts go out to them."

"There are no double posts on these forums, never. They're not even within 100 miles of these forums. They are not in any place. They hold no place on these forums. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion. They are nowhere near the forums..they are lost in the desert...they can not read a compass...they are retarded. They are not in the forums. They are not in control of any forums. I tell you this. It is all a lie. They lie. It is a hollywood movie. You do not believe them. My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all. Their stomachs will be roasted in hell at the hands of the WCC. They're coming to surrender or be burned in their tanks. No I am not scared, and neither should you be! We are not afraid of the double posts. They are stupid. They are stupid" (dramatic pause) "and they are condemned. The double posts, they always depend on a method what I call ... stupid, silly. All I ask is check yourself. Do not in fact repeat their lies. I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the firewalls of computers all over the world. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly. I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place. Let the double posting infidels bask in their illusion, because we will behead them all. We will kill them all........most of them. I triple guarantee you, there are no double posts on these forums. We have given them a sour taste, for they are not worth an old shoe, and they are full of farts. NO, We have retaken the forums. There are NO double posts there. I will take you there and show you. IN ONE HOUR!"

"There are no double posts on these forums, never. They're not even within 100 miles of these forums. They are not in any place. They hold no place on these forums. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion. They are nowhere near the forums..they are lost in the desert...they can not read a compass...they are retarded. They are not in the forums. They are not in control of any forums. I tell you this. It is all a lie. They lie. It is a hollywood movie. You do not believe them. My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all. Their stomachs will be roasted in hell at the hands of the WCC. They're coming to surrender or be burned in their tanks. No I am not scared, and neither should you be! We are not afraid of the double posts. They are stupid. They are stupid" (dramatic pause) "and they are condemned. The double posts, they always depend on a method what I call ... stupid, silly. All I ask is check yourself. Do not in fact repeat their lies. I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the firewalls of computers all over the world. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly. I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place. Let the double posting infidels bask in their illusion, because we will behead them all. We will kill them all........most of them. I triple guarantee you, there are no double posts on these forums. We have given them a sour taste, for they are not worth an old shoe, and they are full of farts. NO, We have retaken the forums. There are NO double posts there. I will take you there and show you. IN ONE HOUR!"

u hv to admit, the iraqi info minister is really gd, and so is GZ at twisting it. :lol:

Has anyone seen the Germany 2006 emblem? It is great. The draw for qualification will begin on December 5th.

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/06loc/gen/en/emblem.gif

Added some links, really should get that sorted out.

More junk to link.

World Cup 8 RP
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75281&start=0

World Cup 8 Rosters
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74439

World Cup 8 Scores
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75471&start=0

Massive update.

If anyone can tell me about any threads I missed or mistakes I made I'd be thankful.

The current FHWC is the 5th, not the 4th!

Also, note that the new NSWCC site is up:
http://nswcc.tripod.com/

Still got a bunch to do, and if any NSWCC members can do some work and/or need the new password, tell me.

TBF CHANGE KIT IN SHOCK REVELATION

The Belmore Family have shocked the world tonight by suddenly announcing they would be changing their kit.
Alan Belmore (Manager not player) said "With the winter on we need to wear something a bit warmer.

The new kit looks like this.....
http://www.abelmore.com/kit.GIF

The away kit is expected to be revieled later today.

TBF CHANGE KIT IN SHOCK REVELATION

The Belmore Family have shocked the world tonight by suddenly announcing they would be changing their kit.
Alan Belmore (Manager not player) said "With the winter on we need to wear something a bit warmer.

The new kit looks like this.....
http://www.abelmore.com/kit.GIF

The away kit is expected to be revieled later today.

nice use of that rugby shirt generator ;)

TBF CHANGE KIT IN SHOCK REVELATION

The Belmore Family have shocked the world tonight by suddenly announcing they would be changing their kit.
Alan Belmore (Manager not player) said "With the winter on we need to wear something a bit warmer.

The new kit looks like this.....
http://www.abelmore.com/kit.GIF

The away kit is expected to be revieled later today.

nice use of that rugby shirt generator ;)
Do you know the web adress, I seem to have misplaced it.

Theres a link to it somewhere in the old Rugby World Cup signup thread. Which you can find a link to in the Rugby World Cup thread, which you can find a link to in your new rugby world cup thread (probably) :)

TBF official Kit

Home Kit
http://www.abelmore.com/kit.JPG
http://www.abelmore.com/kitback.JPG

Away Kit
http://www.abelmore.com/awaykit.JPG
http://www.abelmore.com/awaykitback.JPG

BUMP

Halfassedstates WC record (at end of WC9).
WC5[code:1:8918325b89]
Halfassed 3 Dark Outcasts 3 (a)
Halfassed 1 Christofi 1(a)
Halfassed 2 Caras Sidh 1(a)
Halfassed 0 Audioslavia 4 (a)
Halfassed 2 Hendland 1(h)
Halfassed 0 Squornshelous 1 (h)
Halfassed 1 One Red Dot 3 (h)
[/code:1:8918325b89]
Final record
P7 W2 D2 L3 GF9 GA14

Top Scorers
Paisley 4, Adams 3, Wallace 1, McDonald 1

WC6[code:1:8918325b89]
Halfassed Vs Tintinnabulation 3-1 (h) 4-2 (a)
Halfassed Vs Pavesia 4-3 (h) 0-0 (a)
Halfassed Vs Tiburon 3-0 (a) 2-0 (h)
Halfassed Vs Dead Man 1-1 (h) 5-2 (a)
Halfassed Vs Malundar 2-2 (h) 0-1 (a)
Halfassed Vs Aves 3-0 (a) 4-0 (h)
Halfassed Vs Vegemite 1-2 (h) 1-0 (a)

Halfassed Vs Errinundera 3-1 (n)
Halfassed Vs Europa Britannia 2-1 (n)
Halfassed Vs Akbarland 0-0 (n)

Halfassed Vs Kingsford 1-0 (n)

Halfassed Vs Spaam 0-0 {lost 1-3 on Pens.} (n)
[/code:1:8918325b89]
Final record
P19 W12 D4 L3 GF40 GA19

Top Scorers
Wallace 16, Paisley 8, Adams 8, R.King 3{1 pen}, Hope 2, McDonald 2.

WC7[code:1:8918325b89]
Halfassed Vs Akbarland 0-2 (a) 2-1 (h)
Halfassed Vs Tha Machine 4-1 (h) 4-0 (a)
Halfassed Vs Estiv 3-0 (a) 4-0 (h)
Halfassed Vs Melita and Gaulos 3-0 (h) 2-0 (a)
Halfassed Vs The Promise of Joshua 2-0 (a) 2-1 (h)

Halfassed Vs Dennisov 1-2 (n)
Halfassed Vs Timway 4-0 (n)
Halfassed Vs Squornshelous 3-1 (n)

Halfassed Vs The Belmore Family 2-1 (n)

Halfassed Vs Spamm 1-1 {1-2 AET} (n)
[/code:1:8918325b89]
Final Record
P15 W12 D0 L3 GF37 GA10

Top Scorers
Hope 13, R.King 7, Wallace 6, Bundy 3, Murphy 3, Crewgar 2, Hendry 1, Samuelsson 1, Thumb 1.

WC8[code:1:8918325b89]
Halfassed Vs Jekonuam 2-2 (h) 1-1 (a)
Halfassed Vs Bardai 6-0 (a) 3-0 (h)
Halfassed Vs Lord Squall 4-2 (h) 2-1 (a)
Halfassed Vs Simba Polo 2-0 (a) 1-1 (h)
Halfassed Vs Svecia 0-3 (a) 1-3 (h)

Halfassed Vs Audioslavia 2-1 (n)
Halfassed Vs The Belmore Family 1-1 (n)
Halfassed Vs Bullieon 1-1 (n)

Halfassed Vs Busby 2-3 (n)
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Final Record
P14 W6 D5 L3 GF28 GA19

Top Scorers
Crewgar 8, Hope 7, Wallace 5, Bundy 5, J.King 2, Milton 1

WC9[code:1:8918325b89]
Halfassed Vs Zinkoland 0-0 (h) 2-0 (a)
Halfassed Vs Kramerica 2-3 (a) 3-2 (h)
Halfassed Vs Tranquilitus 1-0 (h) 3-2 (a)
Halfassed Vs Endray-Island 2-0 (a) 1-2 (h)
Halfassed Vs Bedistan 1-0 (a) 1-1 (h)
Halfassed Vs Nikea 2-0 (a) 2-2 (h)
Halfassed Vs Antaeus Rising 1-0 (h) 2-0 (a)

Halfassed Vs Dennisov 1-1 (n)
Halfassed Vs West Arridia 4-2 (n)
Halfassed Vs Europa Britannia 0-3 (n)
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Final Record
P17 W10 D4 L3 GF28 GA18

Top Scorers
Milton 14, Gunnett 8, Bundy 3, J.Time 1, Le Madeer 1, Thumb 1

All time record
P72 W42 D15 L15 GF142 GA80

Home
P27 W15 D7 L5
Away
P28 W19 D4 L5
Neutral (WC Finals)
P17 W8 D4 L5

All-time Top Scorers
Wallace 28, Hope 22, Milton 15*, Paisley 12, Adams 11, Bundy 11*, R.King 10, Crewgar 10*

* indicates still playing internationally

OCC: guess who'se hockey game was cancelled to-day!!

Vozvyshennost Rugby World Cup Shirts and Squad Released

Vozvyshennost Home Shirt
http://members.fortunecity.com/mktai/vozvyshennost.jpg

Vozvyshennost Away Shirt
http://members.fortunecity.com/mktai/vozvyshennostaway.jpg

Squad

[code:1:4bb49f598c]1. Zakhar Abramov (Prop)
2. Benedikt Komoltsev (Hooker)
3. Mecheslav Zhilkin (Prop)
4. Mecheslav Rezin (Second Row)
5. Dmitriy Golovko (Second Row)
6. Petr Rezin (Flanker)
7. Mstyslav Tkachenko (Flanker)
8. Nison Ozerov (#8)
9. Ruslan Tsyplakov (Scrum-Half)
10. Alexander Konko (Fly-Half)
11. Andrey Laidinen (Winger)
12. Andrey Kim (Centre)
13. Miron Karkach (Centre)
14. Yakov Gordeev (Winger)
15. Evgeniy Bekishev (Fullback)
16. Nerijus Rimkus (Prop)
17. Ðarûnas Šlekys (Winger)
18. Vladas Šluota (Flanker)
19. Nazariy Kuznetsov (Second Row)
20. Vadim Borisov (#8)
21. Ruben Alexeev (Fly-Half)
22. Ivan Zakharov (Fullback)
23. Vytis Veikutis (Centre)
24. Alexander Ivanenko (Centre)
25. Evaldas Kaušpedas (Winger)
26. Jotautas Miškinis (Prop)
27. Sergey Sokolov (Hooker)
28. Andrey Ignatiev (Scrum-Half)
29. Aras Kanapienis (Flanker)
30. Romas Ugnianskis (Second Row)[/code:1:4bb49f598c]

Unofficial NSWC Awards 1!
Best Record against Higher Ranked Opposition, WC8-10: Nominees: Liverpool England, World Cup 8; Commerce Heights, World Cup 10, Rejistania WC9. So, vote now.

Now, for the first REAL award ceremony, the World Cup Winners award.
World Cup 1, Crosshill!
World Cup 2, TnUI!
World Cup 3, Giant Zucchini!
World Cup 4, Dennisov!
World Cups 5 and 6, Brazillico!!!!!!
World Cup 7, Errinundera, on behalf of Errinundera, host Lemmitania will accept this award!
World Cup 8, ahem, Liverpool England!!!
And, World Cup 9 after nine tries, Europa Brittania!!!
Congrats to all the winners, more awards tomorrow. So vote for best run against higher ranked opposition NOW!

To avoid further spaming of the scores thread;

For best run against higher ranked opposition -
Halfassed in WC6 - ranked 49 knocked out in quarter finals on penalties

It's okay, everyone else is spamming them, I guess the chat thread is a failure.

TnUI - Here's a few more Football links to threads that still exist.

World Cup 7 RP Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65829&highlight=)
World Cup 6 RP Thread, Part I (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54287&highlight=)
World Cup 6 RP Thread, Part II (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64017&highlight=)
World Cup 4 RP Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35163&highlight=)
Gilmeecia Doesn't Have 3 More Grams of Zombie Virus for Sale (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86778&highlight=)
World Cup 9 Won't Eat Hell Bovines (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77525&start=0)

I've asked Hack to archive all these, as well as the WC8 RP thread and the WC9 RP thread.

(WC5, WC3, WC2 and WC1 are gone... :cry: )

Thanks

(WC5, WC3, WC2 and WC1 are gone... :cry: )

I'm sure they will be archived, later rather than sooner.

It's okay, everyone else is spamming them, I guess the chat thread is a failure. The scores thread is also a statistics thread, isn't it? The chat thread would be the place to discuss incidents like the Evisceratomatoes - East Spaam incident.

I'm not even sure what happen...I need sleep

To avoid further spaming of the scores thread;

For best run against higher ranked opposition -
Halfassed in WC6 - ranked 49 knocked out in quarter finals on penalties

Dennisov winning WC4 from rank 44 maybe... although I wasn't there at the time.

How about TBF being 2nd best team in qualification in WC6?

I admit contemplating that one myself :D

TnuI: has there been a decision on rankings for WCXI and beyond? Was there a convo with Beddy/Spaam?

I still have to do something with that. Hang tight.

TnuI: has there been a decision on rankings for WCXI and beyond? Was there a convo with Beddy/Spaam?

New Rule, type TnUI or die.

Yep we had a small chat. Nothing decided. I'm gonna get to work on the ubersheet after I settle in here. Then we will get the rankings sorted. I'm expecting World Cup 11 to start in the New Year so we have plenty of time.

TnUI: WCXI will indeed start next year, as I remember there being a Christmas Day break in WCX :)

I look forward to seeing the ubersheet :)

I look forward to seeing the ubersheet :)

*grits teeth* i'm looking forward to seeing TnUI's ubersheet too, and im hoping that his idea on rankings is the one that we use *grits teeth even more*

damn you TnUI why cant you just be a stupid dimwit like the other people that i hate :P

I can be a stupid dimwit, it's a skill of mine.

Okay, I want to outline where I want to take the World Cup and see if there are any objections, actually I know there will be, but I'm sure we can ignore them if not too many speak out.

The Ubersheet.

This sheet will generate all the results and tables, fully formatted. I purpose that this sheet be used from WC11 onwards, with modifications made to it when needed. That is to say, all the results/tables are generated by me, sent to the hosts who then can post them to a scores thread when needed, or if neither of the hosts can, I can. This will avoid any future WC6 fiasco.

The Ranking System.

A program written by Spaam that will be fed all the World Cup Results, of which I’ll have an easy to feed list. Hopefully it will incorporate the best bits from all 3 new systems, but that won’t be finalized till after the ubersheet is finished.

The WCC

Voting for new hosts is getting slightly ridiculous. I purpose a proper reform of the WCC. I don’t have an exact plan for this other than hosts after WC11 not becoming member and appointing long-term players instead or something…

[any more later]

I can be a stupid dimwit, it's a skill of mine.

Okay, I want to outline where I want to take the World Cup and see if there are any objections, actually I know there will be, but I'm sure we can ignore them if not too many speak out.

[insert list here later]


TBF [i]That is an example of how one can do sarcasm on a computer.

Well - not objections, just thoughts (i gotta get life - that's my first thought)

1. I like idea # 1. I suggest that someone else also have the ubersheet (regularly updated if necessary to it's function) just in case.
2. (can't remember two - it s_cks to be old)* Oh, yeah. Rankings. I spoke my piece on that already.
3. A revised structure for the WCC would have to be undertaken by...the WCC, no?

*The only thing worse than getting old...is not getting old.

I can be a stupid dimwit, it's a skill of mine.

Okay, I want to outline where I want to take the World Cup and see if there are any objections, actually I know there will be, but I'm sure we can ignore them if not too many speak out.

[insert list here later]

i'd like to take the World Cup to a trophy room in Audioslavia...

*budum chh*

Yeah thanks for that AS.

PS I found the War on Errorism highly amusing.

*decides to shoot all the people chatting in the signup thread*

*falls to the ground, writhing in the pain of knowing it was a fair cop.*

But doesn't that mean after shooting everyone you have to turn the gun on yourself?

Is this a sarcastic post?

*decides to shoot all the people chatting in the signup thread*

*falls to the ground, writhing in the pain of knowing it was a fair cop.*

But doesn't that mean after shooting everyone you have to turn the gun on yourself?

Is this a sarcastic post?
*hmmm...1 - ouch! 2 - No, I think it means he would win WCX by default. 3 - Yes.*

If no-one objects then I'll get on with the ubersheet so the rankings system can get done before christmas.

The Ubersheet.

This sheet will generate all the results and tables, fully formatted. I purpose that this sheet be used from WC11 onwards, with modifications made to it when needed. That is to say, all the results/tables are generated by me, sent to the hosts who then can post them to a scores thread when needed, or if neither of the hosts can, I can. This will avoid any future WC6 fiasco.

I assume you'd have a back-up (vice-pres of the WCC?) in case you're indisposed, on the run in America, etc.

It changes the hosting job considerably -- hosts would presumably have to do more RP and less number-crunching. Is that what we want? (No objection here.) It also makes single-country hosting possible again.

I hope we'll return to telegramming results for the first round, the suspense is always fun. Without the work of generating results & tables, the host would presumably have time for this again.

About the 'easy to format' results.

I already have that covered:
I have all the results from WC3 to WC9 (and WC2 and WC1, just that they're not complete) already in a nice format.

Basically, its
TeamAtabScoreAtabTeamBtabScoreBtabany other info you want

So there :P

TB makes three excellent points. So, I'll just say "ditto"

I hate the forum.

I assume you'd have a back-up (vice-pres of the WCC?) in case you're indisposed, on the run in America, etc.

It changes the hosting job considerably -- hosts would presumably have to do more RP and less number-crunching. Is that what we want? (No objection here.) It also makes single-country hosting possible again.

I hope we'll return to telegramming results for the first round, the suspense is always fun. Without the work of generating results & tables, the host would presumably have time for this again.

Lemmy or Spaam spring to mind.

More RP yes.

TGing would still be at the hosts digestion, but yeah.

Excellent or Good Snub?

i pretty much agree with TnUI's idea, except for the bit about him running all the scores, which i think is unfair on him and me... [/not completely unfounded paranoia] : )

i reckon Spaam and Lemmy would be up to the task of spreadsheet-bothering, thats if they want to of course.

as for the rankings, as long as its simple i dont care

and about the wcc, i think i'd have to be enlightened about whats wrong with it :)

I'm up to the technical work, basically. IE, spreadsheeting, rankings, websiting (as soon as I get some time).

I would not want to be a vice pres for the NSWCC though, however, I'd love to be on the committee, and I hope that I'd be voted on.

One question is, how many people should we have on the committee?
If we can answer that now, then we could work on reorganising it.

Well -- if I can offer up my own $0.02, I think that if any changes to the WCC are made, it should be to add members of the World Cup community who RP fairly frequently but haven't yet put in a hosting bid and don't plan on it (Snub comes to mind.)

I'm not sure who we'd cut as 'dead weight'; is Al Quds, or other such dead hosts considered on the WCC anymore?

I agree, I think Snub should be on the committee as well. As long as a certain someone never makes it, I'm cool.

So, what about 7, or 11, or 13? What say you?

I agree, I think Snub should be on the committee as well. As long as a certain someone never makes it, I'm cool.

So, what about 7, or 11, or 13? What say you?

i think i'd prefer 7

i'd say Arridia, TnUI, Lemmy and Spaam should definitely be on any kind of World Cup committee, and i'd say Brazilico, Tanah Burung and Snub should probably be on it too. Theres your seven. :)

damn.. forgot to add myself...

edit:

Lemmy: Most Recent Government Activity: 10 days ago

But don't panic--
Dire Arachnia: Most Recent Government Activity: 3 days ago

(edit to add)

I enjoy IC vendettas, like the war on Errorism, a great deal. But i think that WCC members should try to avoid ooc hate-ons for certain other nations. If you're going to be on the WCC, you should be fair to everyone, even players that you think are idiots.

Re: TnUI's reforms.

Ubersheet, w00t.

Rank system, will be interesting to see how the differences between the TnUI/KPB/ELO methods can be reconciled in a single formula. It might even end up more complex than any of them singly.

WCC reform, not sure but SN38 would make an excellent member as already mentioned.

But don't panic--
Dire Arachnia: Most Recent Government Activity: 3 days ago

(edit to add)

I enjoy IC vendettas, like the war on Errorism, a great deal. But i think that WCC members should try to avoid ooc hate-ons for certain other nations. If you're going to be on the WCC, you should be fair to everyone, even players that you think are idiots.
1. Remember, it's close to Christmas, Lemmy's a Dad, and there's a very young Lemmitanian. Take it from another Dad, very young people take up a lot of your time.
2. Concur with TB. Even if someone absolutely can't stand someone else, please leave that at the door when ya come ta play here.

But i think that WCC members should try to avoid ooc hate-ons for certain other nations. If you're going to be on the WCC, you should be fair to everyone, even players that you think are idiots.
another Dad, very young people take up a lot of your time.
2. Concur with TB. Even if someone absolutely can't stand someone else, please leave that at the door when ya come ta play here.

Yey, go TB and SN38

WCC reform, not sure but SN38 would make an excellent member as already mentioned.

I agree, Snub would make an excellent member. 8)

TnUI - On the list at the first page could you add the WC7 FHWC Sign Up Sheet please

Thanks,
TBF

TnUI - please add this link to page 1, Current Football.

Giant Evil Spider Football League 3rd Season Sign-ups (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2377616#2377616)

and move this one to Archived Football

Giant Evil Spider Football League Season 2 Role Play (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89762)


Thanks

As there has suddenly been a rush of linking - why not link to the small, but growing sport (in the NS world) of handball?

NationStates Handball Championship (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103873)

Thanks

But don't panic--
Dire Arachnia: Most Recent Government Activity: 3 days ago

(edit to add)

I enjoy IC vendettas, like the war on Errorism, a great deal. But i think that WCC members should try to avoid ooc hate-ons for certain other nations. If you're going to be on the WCC, you should be fair to everyone, even players that you think are idiots.

Agreed. Repeated OCC insults are tiresome, and only make the issuer look silly... not the target.

Woah, woah, woah...

So now the WCC is being reformatted, and my membership is being revoked?

I personally don't see any need for the WCC being reformatted, save for trying to get people who won't host on it, but still, I feel it odd that somehow, instead of just adding that person as an "honorary member" of sorts, the old WCC is being destroyed and changed completely.

I don't see any need for the WCC to be changed completely. All you have to do is add Snub. The current WCC didn't commit any crimes, it didn't hurt anyone's feelings or anything like that. Why then, do you feel it necessary for a case to be made and changing of the rules just to try and get one person on, where as far as I can tell, this person has not expressed great interest in joining it.

Well, if only a small number of those on the WCC hold all the cards, then I myself could be considered "dead weight" and cut from the WCC.

All I ever did was vote on host anyways.

Snub Nose 38 is perfectly happy with the WCC as it is. We're also fine with the fact that if we want to be a member, we have to host. If the WCC needs reforming, then reform - but NOT on our account, please.

*wanders of muttering incoherently*

From the desk of Ufhur the Hated, Minister for Sport, Empire of Warnocks Wizards

Dear World Cup Committee Members:

Please consider the co-hosting bid of Total n Utter Insanity and Warnocks Wizards for World Cup 11. The merits of TnUI's involvement will be familiar to you as he has prior hosting experience. Our friends TnUI have also been slaving away, creating a new spreadsheet for the World Cup. As you are no doubt aware of the strengths of a TnUI bid, this short note will focus on what our Enlightened Empire brings to the World Cup.

By choosing WW, you would be signifying the importance in spreading peace through football, a personal crusade of ours. WW would be the first nation from Middle Earth to ever host the tournament, so choosing us insures that a new region will experience the joys of hosting the world through football.

One doesn't like to toot one's own trombone, but WW brings strong RPing skills and prior experience to hosting a football tournament. WW hosted the second Cup of Harmony, and to give you some idea of what we might bring to hosting the world cup, please see the Cup of Harmony Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92216).

We have also been laying the foundations for a story arc for WC11 that will hopefully amuse and entertain the World Cup community at large.

WW will be an equal partner to TnUI and will assist in generating scores, drawing up groups, tabulating tables, and addressing any controversy that may arise during the tournament.

Finally, choosing a WW bid will insure that the Red and White Wizards qualify for the World Cup for the first time ever. The nation has failed to qualify by the narrowest margins, cruelly falling at the final matchday in the last two World Cup qualifying campaigns. Voting for a WW bid will allow the wacky wizards to finally compete on the world stage.

In short, please consider the co-hosting bid of Total n Utter Insanity and Warnocks Wizards. Thank you for your time,

Ufhur the Hated

A couple of points.

1. We are talking about reform, nothing is finalized K, so calm down.

2. The reform isn't just so we can get Snub on the WCC.

3. In the past, when the Cup was small, hosting was a big thing. Now there is a lot more to the Cup than hosting. I'm saying I don't think hosting a Cup qualifies you for a life vote any more. Unless you do other things to help the Cup as well.

4. We have 13 members, and its only gonna get bigger at this rate, just as we are changing the ranking system to work better I think we should change the WCC system.

i think we need to streamline the WCC somewhat, but a mass exodus of members is not the answer imo. I think everyone feels that Ariddia, TnUI, Spaam and Lemmitania bring the most knowledge and the better ideas to the table, but we need a few other members as well, maybe four or five of the more respected nations, to have a say in what goes on. These four or five could be replaced if any of them start being inactive for long periods of time.

So the World Cup Committee: a commitee of nations (a name inherent in the title) that deals with World Cup matters [I.E. host selection] has decided that it will cut its own members? Obviously it appears to me that this won't go at all like host selection, unless you do decide to turn it into a game show and decide who to "vote off" the World Cup Committee.

So the World Cup Committee: a commitee of nations (a name inherent in the title) that deals with World Cup matters [I.E. host selection] has decided that it will cut its own members? Obviously it appears to me that this won't go at all like host selection, unless you do decide to turn it into a game show and decide who to "vote off" the World Cup Committee.

No downsizing of the WCC is necessary. I personally believe it works fine as it is. Though admittedly, it will soon be getting quite large at the current rate (we have, what, 12-14 members already?) Something should probably be done, but "voting off" current members is not the way.

Personally, I like the idea of 11 or 13 members. 13 would infact be good, since I'm sure that a lot of RPing could be done on that unlucky number :P And no voting off.... I think we should just vote people on. And this is only if we feel we need reform.

We have 14 as it stands, Alasdair I Frosticus and Al Quds both unnations/dead/deceased.

So, I don't know if the general concencus is to leave the WCC at it's current size, or to cut people off of it.

The general vibe i've gotten is that people are being cut off the WCC...

Welcome to Big Brother WCC.

I think that if the WCC gets bigger it can only be good for the WC as the voting for the hosts expands over a wider range of opinions.

Not if we need to make decisions and organise it.

I always thought that the main purpose of the WCC (apart from choosing the host(s) for each cup) was to help organise the WC as a whole and to make decisions on any changes that maybe required (home and away qualifiers, ranking system changes etc.)

All of these things get discussed by most the the 'more active' nations anyhow - we put our feelings on things across, the WCC looks at what is said, takes their own opinions into account and then decides on where we go next.

Personally, I see very little wrong with the committee as it is, although i do agree that hosting automatically gaining you a place on the WCC is going to make things very unweldy* very quickly.

The only options are to stop giving places on the WCC to hosts, OR the hosts could always be current WCC members!
(I know which i would prefer!)

*it is a real word - honest

Unwieldly :P

Not if we need to make decisions and organise it.

So do you want the WCC to be smaller or not?

Hmm. The WCC: Too big, or not too big?

Perhaps the size isn't the problem; perhaps it's the lack of parliamentary procedures. We wouldn't need to go overboard to implement an official voting process (including a process describing how things are nominated for a vote). We also need official processes describing the seleciton of hosts and some other stuff re: the running of the tournament.

I proposed to TnUI a while ago that we have a charter. I think I'll go to work on that.

A fine proposition. It would define everyone's role a whole lot better.

A fine proposition. It would define everyone's role a whole lot better.

You just can't get the staff these days...

Heh, just a question, did TnUI get a vote on the choice of hosts?

*wonders where the links to the American sports are*

*wonders where the links to the American sports are*

Nobody seems to care enough about em to start em heh.

and yes TBF I did.

either way, i doubt you'd have won TBF.

Okay, just a memory brush up for myself, who IS on the WCC presently (including the dead nations)?

WCC including dead nations and nations that have given up their vote:
Ariddia
Alisder I Frosticus
Total n Utter Insanity
Brazillico
Al Quds
Tanah Burung
Kingsford
Spaam
Audioslavia
Lemmitania
Bedistan
Oglethorpia
Europa Brittania
Ravenspire
Giant Zucchini
One Red Dot

WCC excluding dead nations and nations that have given up their vote:
Ariddia
Total n Utter Insanity
Tanah Burung
Kingsford
Spaam
Audioslavia
Lemmitania
Bedistan
Oglethorpia
Europa Brittania
Ravenspire
Giant Zucchini
One Red Dot

WCC including dead nations and nations that have given up their vote:
Ariddia
Alisder I Frosticus
Total n Utter Insanity
Brazillico
Al Quds
Tanah Burung
Kingsford
Spaam
Audioslavia
Lemmitania
Bedistan
Oglethorpia
Europa Brittania
Ravenspire
Giant Zucchini
One Red Dot

WCC excluding dead nations and nations that have given up their vote:
Ariddia
Total n Utter Insanity
Tanah Burung
Kingsford
Spaam
Audioslavia
Lemmitania
Bedistan
Oglethorpia
Europa Brittania
Ravenspire
Giant Zucchini
One Red Dot
I think Brazillico gave up their vote only on the single issue of hosts for WC11.

I think Brazillico gave up their vote only on the single issue of hosts for WC11.

I seem to recall that as well.

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Thank you.

Haze Lifting over Enlightened Empire

Warnocks Wizards Recovering from Strange Malaise

From our news services...

New Orthanc, WW--Good news for Wizardites everywhere. The strange haze that has hung over the empire like a large low-hanging thing is slowly beginning to arise. The nation is slowly recovering from its convalescence at New Rivendell Infirmary, after a freak illness swept the populace. World Cup Flu is starting to dissipate, and residents are slowly regaining the ability to form coherent thought once again. To say nothing of now being able to celebrate being named co-host of World Cup 11 and passing the 500 million mark in population. Normal service will soon resume.

Bazgash the Sly, reporting for WW1

right:

WC9: hosted by EB and RAV, won by EB over rav
Cup of Harmony: hosted by WW, won by WW
WC10: hosted by ORD and GZ, currently being lead by ORD and GZ
Cup of Harmony 2: hosted by Transquilitis, currently being won by Tranquilitis.

I think the home bonus is too large in the world cup. Lesser nations are capable of getting out of the group stages, but a side like One Red Dot shouldnt be in the semis, host or not. (no disprespect to ORD)

right:

WC9: hosted by EB and RAV, won by EB over rav
Cup of Harmony: hosted by WW, won by WW
WC10: hosted by ORD and GZ, currently being lead by ORD and GZ
Cup of Harmony 2: hosted by Transquilitis, currently being won by Tranquilitis.

I think the home bonus is too large in the world cup. Lesser nations are capable of getting out of the group stages, but a side like One Red Dot shouldnt be in the semis, host or not. (no disprespect to ORD)

right:

WC9: hosted by EB and RAV, won by EB over rav
Cup of Harmony: hosted by WW, won by WW
WC10: hosted by ORD and GZ, currently being lead by ORD and GZ
Cup of Harmony 2: hosted by Transquilitis, currently being won by Tranquilitis.

I think the home bonus is too large in the world cup. Lesser nations are capable of getting out of the group stages, but a side like One Red Dot shouldnt be in the semis, host or not. (no disprespect to ORD)

And who won Frosty?

BTW: I generate Tranquilitis' scores quite regularily. I haven't seen a home bonus in his formula.

The following Football World Cup threads are now in the archive, thanks to Hack:

World Cup 9 RP thread
World Cup 8 RP thread
World Cup 7 RP thread
World Cup 6 RP thread 1
World Cup 6 RP thread 2
World Cup 4
Gilmeecia doesn't have 3 more grams of Zombie virus for sale

OOC - Did you catch the edit?


Nope, not until just now. Sorry.

The best way to do this is to ensure most (though not necessarily all) of the good RPers are in one of the two main football regions, FIFA and Heartland.

I think that punishes those who us who do the occaisional serious Military RP + are located in a region with their Military allies. You could open those regional cups to select out-of-regioners who RP actively (hint hint)...nobody should be forced to switch regions just to play soccer.

And finally, if you go ahead with the 4 nation tourneys, I'd like to host one.

I would say any nation that has a puppet representing them in FIFA should be allowed to compete in the FIFA tournament in lieu of the puppet. That would probably work best for a lot of teams (say...Lemmitania, Snub Nose 38, Bedistan, Commerce Heights...the list goes on).

random:

anyone remember an old game called 'sensible soccer'? go here (http://lifeobrien.tripod.com) :)

i probably wont finish it before i go back to uni at the start of january, but basically what it is, is Sensible Soccer but with Nationstates world cup teams (post-world cup 9, so they'll be out-of-date soon anyway) instead of real ones :) The teams' ability, colours and roster are based on the rosters and ranks used for world cup 10, except for Liverpool England who's side is based on their World Cup 9 team because of the absense of a WC10 roster.

The way ive sorted the teams out in terms of strength is simply by basing the team on one of the default sensible soccer teams. I.E. Bedistan are based on Italy, The Belmore Family are based on England, Audioslavia are based on Ireland and Iansisle are based on Israel (heh)

So far there are 16 nations, hopefully that should get up to about 30 by the time i leave for uni, and about 45 by the time its finished. I'll put it out on the net sometime (see the above website) so anyone can have their own world cup in 30 minutes instead of 30 days ;) :D

The 16 nations transferred so far (with the nations theyve been based on in brackets)

Ariddia (Norway)
Audioslavia (Ireland)
Bedistan (Italy)
Belmore Family (England)
Cockbill Street (Liechtenstein)
Giant Zucchini (Blackburn Rovers)
Iansisle (Israel)
Kingsford (Columbia)
Lemmitania (Germany)
Liverpool England (Liverpool XI (one of the custom teams, with the best ever Liverpool players in it))
Oglethorpia (Argentina)
Ravenspire (Brazil)
Rejistania (Austria)
Snub Nose 38 (Mexico, tho this going to change because Mexico are shit in the game :))
Warnocks Wizards (Poland)

The website contains screenshots of a couple of matches, although i havent put my 5-1 trouncing by Bedistan on the site yet because of vanity issues: basically, i used to be unbeatable at Sensible Soccer when i was a kid, and now, with a keyboard and no sound, i suck :(

random:

anyone remember an old game called 'sensible soccer'? go here (http://lifeobrien.tripod.com) :)

i probably wont finish it before i go back to uni at the start of january, but basically what it is, is Sensible Soccer but with Nationstates world cup teams (post-world cup 9, so they'll be out-of-date soon anyway) instead of real ones :) The teams' ability, colours and roster are based on the rosters and ranks used for world cup 10, except for Liverpool England who's side is based on their World Cup 9 team because of the absense of a WC10 roster.

The way ive sorted the teams out in terms of strength is simply by basing the team on one of the default sensible soccer teams. I.E. Bedistan are based on Italy, The Belmore Family are based on England, Audioslavia are based on Ireland and Iansisle are based on Israel (heh)

So far there are 16 nations, hopefully that should get up to about 30 by the time i leave for uni, and about 45 by the time its finished. I'll put it out on the net sometime (see the above website) so anyone can have their own world cup in 30 minutes instead of 30 days ;) :D

The 16 nations transferred so far (with the nations theyve been based on in brackets)

Ariddia (Norway)
Audioslavia (Ireland)
Bedistan (Italy)
Belmore Family (England)
Cockbill Street (Liechtenstein)
Giant Zucchini (Blackburn Rovers)
Iansisle (Israel)
Kingsford (Columbia)
Lemmitania (Germany)
Liverpool England (Liverpool XI (one of the custom teams, with the best ever Liverpool players in it))
Oglethorpia (Argentina)
Ravenspire (Brazil)
Rejistania (Austria)
Snub Nose 38 (Mexico, tho this going to change because Mexico are shit in the game :))
Warnocks Wizards (Poland)

The website contains screenshots of a couple of matches, although i havent put my 5-1 trouncing by Bedistan on the site yet because of vanity issues: basically, i used to be unbeatable at Sensible Soccer when i was a kid, and now, with a keyboard and no sound, i suck :(

cool site - do go on with it - and upload the files (if you can...wouldn't that really be piracy?), I can't wait to replay Cockbill Street v Snub Nose 38 or Audioslavia (although that XI which you played is now officially the B XI - they were the ones who lost five games in a row in the qualifiers, thus nine of the players were changed - and Liechtenstein aren't exactly ranked 43rd in the world either, are they?)

cool site - do go on with it - and do upload it, I can't wait to replay Cockbill Street v Snub Nose 38 or Audioslavia (although that XI which you played is now officially the B XI - they were the ones who lost five games in a row in the qualifiers, thus nine of the players were changed - and Liechtenstein aren't exactly ranked 43rd in the world either, are they?)

Whoops. Clogging up the scores thread again. Sorry :oops:

We're in the chat thread!

I would like a version without the emulator, I guess, MAME can also emulate Amiga and not everone runs the OS from Redmond. I would like to see the Orange-Blues also included. And can't wait to DL it.

cool site - do go on with it - and do upload it, I can't wait to replay Cockbill Street v Snub Nose 38 or Audioslavia (although that XI which you played is now officially the B XI - they were the ones who lost five games in a row in the qualifiers, thus nine of the players were changed - and Liechtenstein aren't exactly ranked 43rd in the world either, are they?)

Whoops. Clogging up the scores thread again. Sorry :oops:

We're in the chat thread!

I would like a version without the emulator, I guess, MAME can also emulate Amiga and not everone runs the OS from Redmond. I would like to see the Orange-Blues also included. And can't wait to DL it.

Shhh...it never happened...

Brilliant idea. Put KP in - Cameroon would be a decent approximation to us, plus they play in pretty much the right colours already :D I'm on XP so I'll need the emulator.

Change of topic to stunning host performances...

I've calculated the probability of certain scorelines for the EB-ORD match using the Nikea Supercup formula (900-(800+opponent rank). Obviously I can't speak for the WCX formula as a result but as I don't know what it is, this is the nearest approximation I could get.

Here's my workings...

EB chance of scoring on each attack: 0.1
ORD chance of scoring on each attack: 0.071

P (EB scoring no goals) = 0.9^10 = 0.34867844
P (EB scoring 1 goal) = 0.9^9 * 0.1 * 10c1 = 0.387420489
P (EB scoring 2 goals) = 0.9^8 * 0.1^2 * 10c2 = 0.193710244
P (EB scoring 3 goals) = 0.9^7 * 0.1^3 * 10c3 = 0.057395628
P (EB scoring 4 goals) = 0.9^6 * 0.1^4 * 10c4 = 0.011150261
P (EB scoring >4 goals) = 0.01644938

P (ORD scoring no goals) = 0.929^10 = 0.478803305
P (ORD scoring 1 goal) = 0.929^9 * 0.071 * 10c1 = 0.3659391482
P (ORD scoring 2 goals) = 0.929^8 * 0.071^2 * 10c2 = 0.125850493
P (ORD scoring 3 goals) = 0.929^7 * 0.071^3 * 10c3 = 0.025648755
P (ORD scoring 4 goals) = 0.929^6 * 0.071^4 * 10c4 = 0.0034304174
P (ORD scoring >4 goals) = 0.00032781344

P (EB 0 ORD 0) = 0.166948389
P (EB 1 ORD 1) = 0.141772323
P (EB 2 ORD 2) = 0.024378529
P (EB 3 ORD 3) = 0.002859903126
P (EB 4 ORD 4) = 0.0003825004935
(higher score draws discounted from calculation)
P (match goes into extra time) = 0.33634144

P (EB 1 ORD 0) = 0.18549821
P (EB 2 ORD 0) = 0.092749105
P (EB 3 ORD 0) = 0.027481216
P (EB 4 ORD 0) = 0.005338781818
P (EB>4 ORD 0) = 0.007876017509
P (EB 2 ORD 1) = 0.070886161
P (EB 3 ORD 1) = 0.021003307
P (EB 4 ORD 1) = 0.004080317013
P (EB 3 ORD 2) = 0.00722326808
P (EB 4 ORD 2) = 0.001403265844
P (EB 4 ORD 3) = 0.002859903126
P(EB win in 90 minutes) = 0.419176284

P (ORD 1 EB 0) = 0.127595091
P (ORD 2 EB 0) = 0.043881353
P (ORD 3 EB 0) = 0.008943167881
P (ORD 4 EB 0) = 0.001196112588
P (ORD>4 EB 0) = 0.0001143014649
P (ORD 2 EB 1) = 0.048757059
P (ORD 3 EB 1) = 0.009936853282
P (ORD 4 EB 1) = 0.001329013987
P (ORD 3 EB 2) = 0.004968426628
P (ORD 4 EB 2) = 0.0006645069916
P (ORD 4 EB 3) = 0.000196890961
P (ORD win in 90 minutes) = 0.2463866641955

If the WC formula produces probabilities anything like this, then this isn't a massive upset. And a 2-1 to ORD is a very possible result, coming up on about one in twenty result generations.

The website contains screenshots of a couple of matches, although i havent put my 5-1 trouncing by Bedistan on the site yet because of vanity issues: basically, i used to be unbeatable at Sensible Soccer when i was a kid, and now, with a keyboard and no sound, i suck :(

Hahahahaha! :P Maybe we can do that to someone other than LordSquall after all... ;)

right:

WC9: hosted by EB and RAV, won by EB over rav
Cup of Harmony: hosted by WW, won by WW
WC10: hosted by ORD and GZ, currently being lead by ORD and GZ
Cup of Harmony 2: hosted by Transquilitis, currently being won by Tranquilitis.

I think the home bonus is too large in the world cup. Lesser nations are capable of getting out of the group stages, but a side like One Red Dot shouldnt be in the semis, host or not. (no disprespect to ORD)

In the Cup of Harmony, in which score generating guidelines were clearly stated prior to the tournament kicking off, a home bonus was used only in the first round of matches and only actually effected the outcome of one match (a loss became a draw). WW results for the semifinal and final of the tournament did not include a home bonus and those scores were generated independently by Tanah Burung.

'Tis true. And the first Frosty Supercup of Harmony had my resutls generated by TnUI (well, i generated my own loss to TnUI, but who could complain about that?)

I think Brazillico's idea about how to incorporate this invitational's results into ranks is a really good one. A small rank boost for RP'ing non-qulaifiers was actually one of the things i was hoping for from this addition to the World Cup calendar.

thanks for the positive stuff :) anyway, im gonna upload each team's stats (like you can see in the Audioslavia - TBF screenshots, the different number of stars next to each player) so you can see just how good your team is.

and Liechtenstein aren't exactly ranked 43rd in the world either, are they?)

true, but the differences between the teams on SWOS isnt really big enough to accurately put each NS team with their corresponding FIFA team. Anyway, the statistics arent 100% accurate. I.E. Liechtenstein are better than Mexico, the Czech Republic and Croatia suck despite having their strongest ever line-ups around 1995, and Grimsby Town arent the best side in the world :)

I DO NO LIKE THE IDEA OF A MULTITUDE OF INTERWOVEN, CHOREOGRAPHED, DIS-SIMILAR FOOTBALL TOURNAMENTS - EACH WITH DIFFERENT RULES AND PREREQUISITES - AND ALL EFFECTING EACH OTHER.

IT'S TOO COMPLICATED. IT'S TOO MUCH. IT WILL KILL THE WORLD CUP COMPETITION - AT LEAST FOR MANY OF US. WHAT WE HAVE IS GOOD. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT MANY - AND I'LL HAVE TO STOP. I THINK THAT WILL BE TRUE FOR MANY OF US.

THE WAY IT IS NOW, I CAN COMPETE IN WC, AND A COUPLE TIMES IN GESFL, AND THE FACT THAT I DON"T COMPETE IN THE OTHERS DOESN"T HURT. LINKING THEM ALL TOGETHER WOULD HURT THE RANKINGS OF THOSE WHO JUST CANNOT DO THEM ALL.

(brought over from the scores and tables thread)

...oh, and...

MERRY CHRISTMAS

merry christmas :) so you got a bold, supersized Arial font for xmas then :)

btw Snub's right, the whole idea sucks.

Here, I brought my reply over from the scores thread too.

I DO NO LIKE THE IDEA OF A MULTITUDE OF INTERWOVEN, CHOREOGRAPHED, DIS-SIMILAR FOOTBALL TOURNAMENTS - EACH WITH DIFFERENT RULES AND PREREQUISITES - AND ALL EFFECTING EACH OTHER.

IT'S TOO COMPLICATED. IT'S TOO MUCH. IT WILL KILL THE WORLD CUP COMPETITION - AT LEAST FOR MANY OF US. WHAT WE HAVE IS GOOD. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT MANY - AND I'LL HAVE TO STOP. I THINK THAT WILL BE TRUE FOR MANY OF US.

THE WAY IT IS NOW, I CAN COMPETE IN WC, AND A COUPLE TIMES IN GESFL, AND THE FACT THAT I DON"T COMPETE IN THE OTHERS DOESN"T HURT. LINKING THEM ALL TOGETHER WOULD HURT THE RANKINGS OF THOSE WHO JUST CANNOT DO THEM ALL.

Also - please move this discussion to discussion thread.

As usual, Snubby is correct. The NS world is not structured in such a way that the WC can reasonably be preceded by "regional" tournaments. This would in all likelihood mean an end to the WC as we know it; unless a different plan is adopted than those so far suggested, many long-time participants would be adversely affected.

The only matches that should have any effect on a nation's WC ranking, are WC matches. If you consider that unrealistic, just keep in mind that more nations have participated in the ten NS WCs than exist in the entire real world. What's more, expanding the "qualification" into regional tourneys (or however it would end up being done) would mean ten times as many non-RPing, non-participating "participants." Why would we want that?

I haven't been following WC10, as some of you may have noticed. So if I've missed some of the nuance of the discussion, I apologize. My point is, the WC has been and should continue to be a chance to have fun RPing. It's not actually a world-encompassing competition.

sorry, just had to point this out, im not picking on you TBF... well i am, but its nowt personal :)

Yes I like the idea KP but I have a few ammendments:

Instead of months just have it as a specified amount of days.

FIFA
There are currently 22 teams in FIFA so we would need 1 member added so we can then have.... 2 hosts we could do a 7 groups with 3 teams preliminary round then let 2 from each group in with 16 teams in the finals.

The Heartlands
This could be mayhem trying to organise a heartlands competition with 138 nations so either there would have to be a massive qualification (23 groups with 6 teams) or just the top 32 footballing nations taking part. I will write a revised shedule expecting 32 teams to take part.

Colony Cup
This infact could be a substitute for puppets instead of the WC. I think there are about 32 football puppets out there.

4 Nations and Friendlies
Well, I had to mention it. I belive that it can only be good to have more teams running friendlies and 4 nations championships. I think that any football match or competion should be recorded in rankings such as they are in RL FIFA. It would give us a really cool realistic rank for every team


Schedule
Days 1-20 The Heartand Championships
Days 3-20 FIFA Championships
Days 21-28 Break/4 Nation Championships/Friendlies
Days 21-41 Champions League
Days 21-35 World Cup Qualification
Days 35-43 Break/4 Nation Championships/Friendlies
Days 44-58 World Cup/Colony Cup
Then back to the start

Rankings(From the end of WC15 on the assumption this cycle began at WC12)
x0.10 for 4 Nations Championships 4
x0.20 for 4 Nations Championships 5
x0.25 for WC13 Qualification
x0.30 for Friendlies in the last cycle
x0.40 for 4 nation Championships 6
x0.50 for WC13 Finals
x0.50 for FIFA Championships 2
x0.65 for The Heatland Championships 2
x0.80 for 4 nation Championship 7
x1.00 for WC14 Qualification
x1.00 for FIFA Championships 3
x1.30 for The Heartlands Championships 3
x1.35 for WC14 Finals
x1.50 for FIFA Championships 4
x1.95 for The Heartlands Championships 4
x2.50 for WC15 Qualification
x3.00 for WC15 Finals

Governing Body
If this system were to be implemented then just the hosts of the WC would be inadequete therefor we propose a 10 nation council to be elected by all teams entering the WC each cycle.

ahem: the worst idea in NSWC history

i dont believe anybody could take KP's idea and actually make it worse (sorry KP :))

anyway...

i think its settled that other tournaments like the awful 4-nations tournament (anyone remember the Makita cup? :)) and the good-idea-in-theory-but-whats-with-the-hosts-winning-all-the-time Cup of Harmony arent going to become 'official' NSWCC tournaments.

As for the 'regional championships', i like the idea of these, but i dont think they should affect the rankings. Why? Because:

1: NS rankings are NOT used in the same way that FIFA rankings are used. The only purpose of FIFA ranks are that they provide an interesting statistic for boring people, and they give a rough guide to seedings for World Cup draws. NS ranks are used to decide exactly how good a football team is. I.E. Whilst Turkey might be ahead of Italy in the FIFA ranks, nobody really believes that they are a better side. Wheras Oglethorpia being ahead of The Belmore Family (as they were at the end of WC9) pretty much means that Oglethorpia are the better side.

2: Regional cups f**k up the FIFA rankings anyway (mexico in the top 20 for about 10 years?)

Even though i like the idea, regional cups wouldnt work in practice if you gave them all a tiny little schedule and stuff. The only way a regional cup would work would be if we had 4 TnUIs to run all the scores, we had four definitive sets of teams (which we dont, and we couldnt organise the teams into 'regions' without a mass complaining spree anyway) and we treated each championship like it was as important as a world cup itself.

I think we shoud leave the idea of having a 'regional championship' until we have:

A: regional qualifying (like UEFA, CONACAF etc, all run by different people) and

B: we have some sort of proffesional way of running the game (TnUI/Spaam/Ariddia do a brilliant job, but i mean proffesional as in a big NSWCC website which you log your team onto etc..., like Nationstates but soleley dedicated to the world cup)

neither of these ideas are forseeable, and both aren't necessary in the slightest.

So, conclusion: quit talking about regional/any-other-type-of official championships, lets leave that until we get paid for running the NSWCC :)

...although i havent put my 5-1 trouncing by Bedistan on the site yet because of vanity issues...

Just out of curiosity, do you ever plan to do so? :P

...although i havent put my 5-1 trouncing by Bedistan on the site yet because of vanity issues...

Just out of curiosity, do you ever plan to do so? :P

yes actually, i was gonna do it tonight but its currently 2:20 in the morning :(

it only shows 4 of the matches' 6 goals anyway, and doesnt show the final result, sorry :)

edit: updated :) http://lifeobrien.tripod.com/

Hehe...looks pretty accurate to me...Morlock as our version of Alan Belmore, and a whole bunch of first-half goals -- though he was a bit stronger than I'd have thought:

Bedistan 3 (Morlock 1, 4, 17)
Audioslavia 0
[After 17 minutes]

OK, I'm done gloating. Back to your regularly scheduled programming. :)

*decides to guess the score when the LE-AS screens come out*

Judging by that one, Morlock > Belmore... oh dear, here comes the godmodding...

AS, before you do many more I would suggest that you wait untill the new rosters are up because there will be many new changes to teams.

AS, before you do many more I would suggest that you wait untill the new rosters are up because there will be many new changes to teams.

(OOC: LE puppet here...)
;) Thats why I'm not changing my roster till WC12.

Judging by that one, Morlock > Belmore... oh dear, here comes the godmodding...

But let's be honest, how many times does my team actually score five goals in a match? So far, one (5-1 over LordSquall, WC10Q) in Bedistan's entire WC history (dating back to WC5). In actuality, Morlock doesn't get many chances to score hat-tricks because the team normally doesn't score more than 2 goals in a match. It's our defense that wins games. ;)

Judging by that one, Morlock > Belmore... oh dear, here comes the godmodding...

But let's be honest, how many times does my team actually score five goals in a match?

Darn close in WC9 QF......

Belmore Family (England)
Ouch, As a Scot being refered to an Englishman is not the greatest thing ever but hey, they're a good team.

Reaction to the ORDMERUI


Grand Finals
Giant Zucchini 1 Lemmitania 2

Congratulations Lemmitania.



The Belmore Family (9-7, +2), Commerce Heights (23-19, +4), Oddslavo (21-17, +4), Kingsford (10-6, +4), Kaze Progressa (26-21, +5), Giant Zucchini (7-2, +5)

Yey, I am top a something!

The following nations have not experienced a fall in rankings:
Aquilla (52-45-36-27-10)
Kaze Progressa (82-59-26-21)[/quote]

Ummm....
The Belmore Family (47-28-18[I think]-13-9-7)

So far, all the world cup champions have only 2 words of less in their nation name. Does that mean that nations like The Belmore Family and Total n Utter Insanity don't stand a chance? Does that also mean I don't stand a chance either?
Nooooooooo

Belmore Family (England)
Ouch, As a Scot being refered to an Englishman is not the greatest thing ever but hey, they're a good team.

heh, i know, but would you rather TBF were as good as England or Scotland? :)

actually, i think i'd rather Scotland were as good as TBF...

Oh damn it's the 29th...I thought it was earlier....

*disappears into Excel*

Oh damn it's the 29th...I thought it was earlier....

*disappears into Excel*TnUI, when does the WC11 start? :P

TnUI, when does the WC11 start?

New Years. Hmmm I'm gonna need a ranking system.

i have a another to you...

Wrestling:

HJCWF (Hobo Joe City Wrestling Federation) www.hjcwf.cjb.net

TnUI, when does the WC11 start?

New Years. Hmmm I'm gonna need a ranking system.

Indeed. I'll go ahead and cast my vote for the Brazillico system.

I concur with Bedistan on this one. Brazillico's makes sense, and above all, is very simple to calculate out.

oh yeah, and i vote for Brazillico too, even if it does mean im not gonna be in the top 10 :(

Alright then, since there are a few people favoring my system, I'll at least put up the final standings:

1. Lemmitania - 3.33
2. Giant Zucchini - 3.67
3. Oglethorpia - 7.00
4. Kingsford - 7.33
5. The Belmore Family - 7.67
6. Ariddia - 8.67
7. Ravenspire - 9.00
8. Snub Nose 38 - 10.67
9. Europa Britannica - 11.00
10. Bedistan - 11.33
11. Audioslavia - 12.00
12. One Red Dot - 12.67
13. Svecia - 14.67
14. Aquilla - 15.67
15. Antaeus Rising - 16.67
16. Oddslavo - 18.33
17. Liverpool England - 18.67
18. Dennisov - 19.33
19. Halfassedstates - 19.67
20. Squornshelous - 20.00
21. Commerce Heights - 20.33
22. Dark Outcasts - 21.33
23. Gesamtkuntswerk - 22.33
24. Kaze Progressa - 22.67
25. Runaway Moose - 23.67
25. The Lowland Clans - 23.67
27. Tanah Burung - 25.33
28. Nikea - 26.33
29. Busby - 27.67
30. Total n Utter Insanity - 30.33
31. Warnocks Wizards - 34.67
32. Spaam - 35.00
33. NASTIC 2 - 35.33
34. Eauz - 36.00
35. The Weegies - 36.67
36. Haraki - 39.67
37. Rejistania - 40.00
38. Akbarland - 41.00
39. Timway - 41.67
40. Cockbill Street - 43.00
41. Sterling Ice - 45.00
42. Lord Squall - 47.00
43. CallMeBernard - 48.00
44. East Spaam - 48.33
44. Zinkoland - 48.33
46. Lanky Dude - 49.67
47. Iansisle - 51.00
48. Belmorian Scandinavia - 51.33
49. New Montreal States - 52.00
49. Clearwater - 52.00
51. Keyshona - 54.00
51. Kerla - 54.00
53. Evisceratomatoes - 54.67
53. Morawny - 54.67
55. Defari - 55.00
56. Oreo Cookie - 58.00
57. Irrevilentsdom - 59.00
58. Kravoli - 59.67
59. Koennerstein - 60.00
60. Senoj - 61.00
61. The Most Holy Kesler - 62.00
62. Social Cleavage 63.00
63. Monotonous Monarchy - 64.00
64. Stealth Zerbert - 65.00
65. Pavesia - 66.00
66. Great Boogie - 67.00
67. Gilmeecia - 67.33
68. Kumba Ya - 68.00
69. Sliponia - 69.00
70. Sensual Products - 69.67
71. Dauragons - 70.00
72. Errinundera - 70.33
73. SPARTEN - 71.00
74. Big Butts - 72.00
75. West Ariddia - 72.67
76. Hell Bovines - 73.67
77. A nation - 74.00
77. Bullonien - 74.00
79. Agnosticum - 75.00
79. The Redavic Union - 75.00
81. Nadaskor - 76.00
81. Endray-Island - 76.00
83. Davii - 77.00
83. Boa Vista - 77.00
85. Pure Evil - 77.33
86. USAnia - 78.00
87. Quohog - 78.33
88. Canadian Power Trip - 79.00
89. 1900s Oglethorpia - 79.33
90. Terranos - 79.67
91. EL CID THE HERO - 80.00
92. Auir II - 80.67
93. The Dragonian Empire - 81.00
94. Demonic Beings - 81.67
95. Jaurania - 82.00
96. Tranquillitis - 82.67
97. Kamakaza - 83.00
98. Offshore - 83.67
99. Scabara - 84.00
100. God Squad - 84.67
101. Dead Man - 85.00
101. Anti-Nazis - 85.00
103. Soviet Haaregrad - 85.33
104. Consumer Engineering - 85.67
105. Microbrits - 86.00
105. Freedom Country - 86.00
107. Zeronia - 86.33
108. Oilermania - 87.00
109. Kramerica - 87.00
110. Kegarna - 87.33
111. Hokianga - 87.67
112. Larkinia - 88.00
112. Wildthings Realm - 88.00
114. Jezland - 88.33
115. The Arrivian Alliance - 89.00
116. One Blue Dot - 89.33
117. Fradustanis - 90.00
118. Citta Acqua - 91.00
119. Grigala - 92.00
120. New Entries

Alright... since there were only 119 teams to participate in last two cups, I put the New Entries at 120 instead of 150. Of course, this and the entire system is still to be used at TnUI and WW's discretion.

To Audioslavia - Cheer Up. 11th isn't THAT far off from the top 10. :wink:

OOC - I wont be around for January 1-2, so I'll miss out on the first few games of the tournament.

If newbies get 120 instead of 150 wouldn't that be unfair?

120 for newbies sounds fair enough to me. (Or you could compress the ranks, just to annoy Audioslavia. :P )

Do the ranks include Cup of Harmony bonuses?

120 for newbies sounds fair enough to me. (Or you could compress the ranks, just to annoy Audioslavia. :P )

i was ranked 11th the last time the ranks were compressed too :( I think i'd rather someone like TnUI hosted a world cup than have to be ranked 11th during a rank-compression.

..damn... :/ :)

Do the ranks include Cup of Harmony bonuses?

NO

;)

Nominate your NationStates XI here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2482010#2482010

VOTE!

RP bonuses or not, I wanna know if Top RPers that put hours of their free time into the cup, should be ranked higher than those who don't. Or should we get rid of RP bonus altogether. Yes it's an either or decision cast your votes now.

I think we're better off with a RP bonues -- despite some mild complaints to TnUI in IRC concerning the issue.

I disagree with a RP bonus, especially when the first couple of weeks of WCXI will be holiday period so many people will be on holiday (Holiday as in vacation not as in time off Work/School). I know Bedistan is going on holiday tomorrow and won't be back for a while....

Also I will support the Brazillico ranking system. Previously I supported the KP/Bedi idea but seeing Bedi is now for the Brazillico I suppose that is where I should put my support- also do we have a WCXI RP thread or a WCXII sign up thread?

I am for RP bonus as long as it is not quality-based. (TnUI prefered quality-based RP bonusses in the IRC)

I'm going for RP bonus.

We are in favour of significant RP bonuses and the Brazillico ranking system. It seems to us that the ranking system should be one that can be relatively easy to compute, allowing for accountability and the ability for others to check the rankings.

In favour of RP bonus, obviously, although if we want to use it for qualifiers only and not use RP bonus in the group & knockout stages, that's OK too. And in favour of Brazillico ranking system as the one that allows the most possibility for newbies to get a decent rank quickly and not get frozen out.

I also think that no outside tournament, other than the also-ran invitational should be incorporated into the rankings. The invitational was created in order to give a boost to those who RP. I think Brazillico's minor bonus for those who do well there is a good way to incorporate this. I see the invitational as a way to boost the chances of good RP'ers who i'd like to see in the Cup: Warnocks Wizards, Cockbill Street, Iansisle, etcetera. In a way, the tournament could be one big RP bonus.

My main wish for the next Cup is: slow it down once the Cup proper starts. Let's get some suspense back in. Telegram the results (it's only 32 teams, and if the hosts won't do it, ask for a volunteer who will). Take a couple of days between matches to give people time to post their match reports. Wait a day after telegramming before making the results public. Group stages used to be the most fun, but now they fly by so fast it's hard to keep up.

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Oh, by the way, feel free to chime in on "A punch in the Hellmouth" at http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109603&highlight=

I'm in favor of RP bonuses, but not qualitative bonuses or bonuses that are applied directly to the rankings. And I am still in favor of the KPB system, as it actually makes sense, regardless of the actual results. :roll:

EDIT: This is a puppet of Commerce Heights. :?

I don't like Brazillicos Windows 95 system btw

R Name
1 Lemmitania
2 Snub Nose 38
2 Oglethorpia
4 Bedistan
5 Giant Zucchini
6 Audioslavia
7 Ravenspire
8 Kingsford
8 Ariddia
10 Europa Brittania
11 Nikea
12 Halfassedstates
13 Tanah Burung
14 Liverpool England
15 The Belmore Family
15 Kaze Progressa
16 Dennisov
17 Runaway Moose
18 Rejistania
19 Commerce Heights
20 Warnocks Wizards
21 One Red Dot
22 Aquilla
23 Svecia
24 Squornshelous
25 The Weegies
25 Antaeus Rising
27 Gesamtkuntswerk
28 The Lowland Clans
29 Dark Outcasts
30 Iansisle
31 Oddslavo
32 Spaam
33 Total n Utter Insanity
34 Cockbill Street
35 NASTIC 2
35 Busby
37 New Montreal States
38 Eauz
39 Timway
40 East Spaam
41 SterlingIce
41 Lanky dude
43 Morawny
43 Keyshona
43 Belmorian Scandinavia
43 Akbarland
47 Tranquillitis
48 Zinkoland
49 Defari
49 Brazillico
50 Anti-Nazis
51 Kravoli
51 Big Butts
53 Pavesia
54 Sliponia
55 Kerla
56 God Squad
57 EL CID THE HERO
58 Zeronia
58 Oilermania
58 Dead Man
61 One Blue Dot
150 Western pie makers
150 Vozvyshennost
150 Tony mag
150 The Tree Mountains
150 Stella and E
150 Shonar Bangla
150 Ravea
150 Ptolomy
150 Praying2God
150 Peter Panarchy
150 Pablicosta
150 NEWI Cefn Druids
150 Newcuba
150 Monkwearmouth
150 Mattigool
150 Lynnwoode
150 Lubistan
150 KOR3A
150 Jeruselem
150 Ice Reavers
150 Gmlac
150 Exetonia
150 East-Germany
150 Eaglet
150 Dual supporters
150 Creedence Clearwater
150 Cermania
150 Blood Devourers
150 Belmorian Foxworthia
150 Belarussian States
150 Beestings
150 Avenging Altos
150 Athamasha
150 Artemisia Absentia
150 Alex The Tall

Rank Compression! If you have a problem with these rankings please send a letter of complaint to Bureau of Bureaucracy, Oglethorpia.

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30 Iansisle
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( :shock: I...I'm not quite sure how I merited a top-30 rank, despite failing to qualify and not participating in WC VIII or IX, but hey, these're my favorite ranks yet!)

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30 Iansisle
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( :shock: I...I'm not quite sure how I merited a top-30 rank, despite failing to qualify and not participating in WC VIII or IX, but hey, these're my favorite ranks yet!)

Reckon it's because some of the teams above you have decided to pull out of WCXI.

Reckon it's because some of the teams above you have decided to pull out of WCXI.

That could be it, certainly...I haven't been listening to most of the other discussion in this thread (I know, I know, and I feel right horrid about it). Still, it's rather shocking, especially when I would've been happy with the high 40s! Anyway, best not to look a gift horse in the mouth, eh?

R Name
14 Liverpool England
15 The Belmore Family
15 Kaze Progressa
16 Dennisov
17 Runaway Moose
18 Rejistania
19 Commerce Heights

:shock: I guess, this system is based on the ranks, Lemmitania has proposed in IRC, bribe-based

15 The Belmore Family

For some reason I much prefer the Brazillico system, can't think why....

Oh, by the way, feel free to chime in on "A punch in the Hellmouth" at http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109603&highlight=

Please, please please, people, help us cast off the shackles of our Zombpire oppressors! The only person who should be oppressing Gilmeecians is me!

-President Louis Gilsterson
The Oppressed Peoples of the Disputed Territory of Human Gilmeecia

I favor an RP bonus. I also tend to support a system such as the one TnUI suggested in which a committee rates RPs on quality. However-- parctically speaking, I'm not sure that would be feasible. Thus an RP-bonus system would probably have to be based on number and length of posts, like the one Ravenspire used in 9.

Rank Compression! If you have a problem with these rankings please send a letter of complaint to Bureau of Bureaucracy, Oglethorpia.

Dear Lord Bueno of Bureaucracy.

I am writing this letter regarding the system used in the rankings published recently by Total 'n Utter Insanty's MOFAFKAS (Ministry Of Fuck All Football Knowledge About Statistics). It appears that the dirty MOFAFKAS have used the TTSRC (Tanah The Spanner's Rankings Crammer) rank compression system. As a result, the ATSOSMC commitee (Audioslavian Tears Shed Over Spilt Milk) featuring members from the ASHOLIE commitee (Audioslavian Hullabaloo Over Little or Insignifcant Events) have decided to issue the following warning. If rank compression is used in the rankings system for this or any world cup, then we promise to expose the world to a moaning session like no other. We promise to whinge and whine like Pure Evil after a losing game of scrabble. We promise to whinge and whine like a Belmore after you take his marbles away.

Yours Sinserely (bring it on IGP)

Audioslavia

We promise to whinge and whine like a Belmore after you take his marbles away.

Marble what Marbles? The Elgin Marbles? No we've most certainly lost our marbles.

Also: The IGP is only out for personal gain. The IGP is against Rank Compression so we will ignore Audioslavias many spelling errors!

As newbies, we would like to put our views on the compression of rankings forward.

As far as we can see, with uncompressed rankings, a newbie ranking of 150 is reasonably close to the lowest ranked teams, and means that the chance of a newbie winning a game is greater than with teh compressed rankings, where the difference between the newbies and the rest is 89 positions - this is an enormous gap, one that would make any kind of success in a game for newbies like ourselves very unlikely indeed. Though we understand that it would be wrong for newbies to just stroll in and be successful instantly (like Lanky Dude against LE in qualifying)), we feel that we would have no chance at all using the current compressed rankings. Even using the Brazillico method with newbies at 150 would give us a greater chance than the current compressed rankings given.

This is only as far as we can see, however. We might well be looking at this completely the wrong way, but I fear we are not.

Whatever your ranking, good luck to everyone in WCXI (though we need it more than most).

Hugh Brown, FANCD Public Relations Department

This is only as far as we can see, however. We might well be looking at this completely the wrong way, but I fear we are not.

you are wrong im afraid :) Rank compression was first used (touch wood) in WC5 and meant many major teams.... well ok myself and Kingsford.... missed out on qualification. We ended up with 2 newbs in the top 9: Squornshelous (a good thing) and Ironchefk (a bad thing) :)

Basically what happens when you compress the ranks is all the teams bunch up together, meaning theres very little difference between a side who made the first round of the last world cup and a side who finished mid-table of their qualifying group. Why? because very few newb teams stay on for more than one world cup, meaning that a side who finished near the bottom of their group would move up loads in the rankings because many of the teams above them have dropped out.

Rank compression isn't all that bad, but the system we use at the moment is better, and hopefully the new system will be even betterer :)

Rank Compression! If you have a problem with these rankings please send a letter of complaint to Bureau of Bureaucracy, Oglethorpia.

Dear Lord Bueno of Bureaucracy.

I am writing this letter regarding the system used in the rankings published recently by Total 'n Utter Insanty's MOFAFKAS (Ministry Of f--- All Football Knowledge About Statistics). It appears that the dirty MOFAFKAS have used the TTSRC (Tanah The Spanner's Rankings Crammer) rank compression system. As a result, the ATSOSMC commitee (Audioslavian Tears Shed Over Spilt Milk) featuring members from the ASHOLIE commitee (Audioslavian Hullabaloo Over Little or Insignifcant Events) have decided to issue the following warning. If rank compression is used in the rankings system for this or any world cup, then we promise to expose the world to a moaning session like no other. We promise to whinge and whine like Pure Evil after a losing game of scrabble. We promise to whinge and whine like a Belmore after you take his marbles away.

Yours Sinserely (bring it on IGP)

Audioslavia

The Bureau of Bureaucracy's directors quickly look over the message -- all awash with confusion as to why it's been sent to them.

Quickly, they forward the message to the government of Total n Utter Insanity, wiping a bead of sweat from their foreheads.

We promise to whinge and whine like a Belmore after you take his marbles away.

Marble what Marbles? The Elgin Marbles? No we've most certainly lost our marbles.

Also: The IGP is only out for personal gain. The IGP is against Rank Compression so we will ignore Audioslavias many spelling errors!

Yes, Audioslavia is so bad at spelling.

Let's take a look at the instant replay, shall we?

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We promise to whinge and whine like a Belmore after you take his marbles away.

Marbles what marbles? The Elgin Marbles? No we've most certainly lost our marbles. <--- no marbles to begin with

Also: The IGP is only out for personal gain. The IGP is against Rank Compression so we will ignore Audioslavia's many spelling errors!

"How did it get through all the red tape? Nevermind...Release the uncompressed rankings list"

1 Lemmitania
2 Snub Nose 38
2 Oglethorpia
4 Bedistan
5 Giant Zucchini
6 Audioslavia
7 Ravenspire
8 Kingsford
8 Ariddia
10 Europa Brittania
11 Nikea
12 Halfassedstates
13 Tanah Burung
14 Liverpool England
15 The Belmore Family
15 Kaze Progressa
17 Dennisov
18 Runaway Moose
19 Rejistania
20 Commerce Heights
21 Warnocks Wizards
22 One Red Dot
23 Aquilla
24 Svecia
25 Squornshelous
26 The Weegies
26 Antaeus Rising
28 Gesamtkuntswerk
29 The Lowland Clans
30 Dark Outcasts
31 Iansisle
32 Oddslavo
33 Spaam
34 Total n Utter Insanity
35 Cockbill Street
36 NASTIC 2
36 Busby
38 New Montreal States
39 Eauz
41 Timway
42 East Spaam
44 SterlingIce
44 Lanky dude
46 Morawny
46 Keyshona
46 Belmorian Scandinavia
46 Akbarland
51 Tranquillitis
55 Zinkoland
56 Defari
56 Brazillico
59 Anti-Nazis
61 Kravoli
61 Big Butts
63 Pavesia
68 Sliponia
71 Kerla
93 God Squad
100 EL CID THE HERO
104 Zeronia
104 Oilermania
104 Dead Man
119 One Blue Dot
150 Western pie makers
150 Vozvyshennost
150 Tony mag
150 The Tree Mountains
150 Stella and E
150 Shonar Bangla
150 Ravea
150 Ptolomy
150 Praying2God
150 Peter Panarchy
150 Pablicosta
150 NEWI Cefn Druids
150 Newcuba
150 Monkwearmouth
150 Mattigool
150 Lynnwoode
150 Lubistan
150 KOR3A
150 Jeruselem
150 Ice Reavers
150 Gmlac
150 Exetonia
150 East-Germany
150 Eaglet
150 Dual supporters
150 Creedence Clearwater
150 Cermania
150 Blood Devourers
150 Belmorian Foxworthia
150 Belarussian States
150 Beestings
150 Avenging Altos
150 Athamasha
150 Artemisia Absentia
150 Alex The Tall

Oops, made a mistake in the first one.