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An election would require the support of 17 MPs. We have 9, including myself.

An election would require the support of 17 MPs. We have 9, including myself.

Be ye counting the dead towards or again' the quorum?

HARLESBURG BILL PROPOSAL
For some time now Harlesburg has been greatly concerned by the meager 5 days allowed for voting.
No Doubt the Right Honourable Pure Metal did an outstanding job in using his own personel website to tally the ballots, however Harlesburg feels that the 5 days should be extended to a minimum of 7 and upto and including at the very most 1 half of an 8th day.

I propose this part of an 8th day because of the time zone factor, the unknown irritation which ones life can sometimes be, if one(Pure Metal) goes out for lunch on the final day of the polls he would be unable to close them as such a slight elongation of said polls should be acceptable.

For this reason and the reason of 5 days not being enough to give a large percentage of those NSer's who would care to partake in said NS elections i put forward this proposal.


fine by me but i'm not an MP anymore, and iirc i left the poll open way too late last time :confused:

we should be clear about which time zone the poll starts in (GMT for me)

An election would require the support of 17 MPs. We have 9, including myself.

10.

Srry to barge in like this, but whats NS General Parliament?

Srry to barge in like this, but whats NS General Parliament?
It's a corrupt group of MP's mostly from the corrupt NBCYIPSWP.

It's a corrupt group of MP's mostly from the corrupt NBCYIPSWP.

Oi! We not all be corrupt! ye be calling a member of me crew corrupt an' ye'll be chattering with Davey Jones soon...

Srry to barge in like this, but whats NS General Parliament?

Arr, me lan'lubbin laddie. This parliment, she be a right bloody good role-play even that happens in these seas. She be a right bitch at times, but she be our's. Stick around an a swabie'll show ya the ropes.

Srry to barge in like this, but whats NS General Parliament?

(party member pirate hat off fo a serious moment)
This is an on-going role-play of a parlimentary system for the general forum. We hold what are basically meaningless elections on a regular basis.

Some "parties" are more serious others are akin to the UK's monster raving loony party. The particular party I'm an MP for is a mix of both the rediculous and the serious aspects - as you cvan see if you look at the party thread linked in my sig.

(party member pirate hat back on)

Matey, be yer interested, or be ye not? If ye be not interested, ye'd best duck, fer me cannon be primed...

(party member pirate hat off fo a serious moment)
This is an on-going role-play of a parlimentary system for the general forum. We hold what are basically meaningless elections on a regular basis.

Some "parties" are more serious others are akin to the UK's monster raving loony party. The particular party I'm an MP for is a mix of both the rediculous and the serious aspects - as you cvan see if you look at the party thread linked in my sig.

(party member pirate hat back on)

Matey, be yer interested, or be ye not? If ye be not interested, ye'd best duck, fer me cannon be primed...

*ducks* i think ill duck but i'll stick around

*ducks* i think ill duck but i'll stick around

Ye be a wise 'n laddie. We could use yer in de crew...

Be ye counting the dead towards or again' the quorum?

The dead should probably be removed from the overall number, or you won't get anything done.

*me glances over warily at the grinning skeletons sitting on Parliament's benches, with cobwebs in their ribs*

The dead should probably be removed from the overall number, or you won't get anything done.

*me glances over warily at the grinning skeletons sitting on Parliament's benches, with cobwebs in their ribs*

So what be the quorum be we discountin' the skelington MPs? Be we meeting it?

Be ye counting the dead towards or again' the quorum?
In a sense, yes. The old NBIP had an in-party agreement, whereby one of their MPs could pledge the support of the other 3. So stand-in MP Ilaer can pledge the support of the other three NBIP MPs.
It's a corrupt group of MP's mostly from the corrupt NBCYIPSWP.
LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES.
We are not corrupt
Technically the NBCyIpsWP has no MPs in this parliament.
NBIP and CypsWP have 4 MPs each, that is not "most" of the parliament.
STFU and GTFO
Srry to barge in like this, but whats NS General Parliament?
It's the democratically elected governing body of the forum
*takes off MP hat*
We joke around and make unenforcable laws and bitch about the elections. It's great.
So what be the quorum be we discountin' the skelington MPs? Be we meeting it?
How many MPs have keeled over dead? 3 NBIP MPs at least. CypsWP still has our 4 around, sort of. What about the other parties?

How many MPs have keeled over dead? 3 NBIP MPs at least. CypsWP still has our 4 around, sort of. What about the other parties?

Choose [your pogo stick] Wisely Party
Gravlen
Ifreann
The Beautiful Darkness
WC Imperial Court

Freedom, Environment & Science Party
Ultraviolent Radiation
Bumboat

Human Rights Party
Kinda Sensible people
Neo Undelia

MOBRA
Harlesburg
Posi
Demonic Gophers

New British Imperialist Party
Philosopy
Vacuumhead
The Friesland colony
Praetonia

NS Democratic Socialist Party
Fleckenstein
Maineiacs

PUNKS AND PIRATES Party
Daistallia 2104
Londim
Anarchuslavia

United Democratic Communist Party
Jello Biafra
New Burmesia
Wanderjar


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so who's not around any more? looks like quite a few

Choose [your pogo stick] Wisely Party
Gravlen
Ifreann
The Beautiful Darkness
WC Imperial Court

Freedom, Environment & Science Party
Ultraviolent Radiation
Bumboat

Human Rights Party
Kinda Sensible people
Neo Undelia

MOBRA
Harlesburg
Posi
Demonic Gophers

New British Imperialist Party
Philosopy
Vacuumhead
The Friesland colony
Praetonia

NS Democratic Socialist Party
Fleckenstein
Maineiacs

PUNKS AND PIRATES Party
Daistallia 2104
Londim
Anarchuslavia

United Democratic Communist Party
Jello Biafra
New Burmesia
Wanderjar


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so who's not around any more? looks like quite a few

I tihnk all of the NBIP MPs are gone, but Ilaer has taken over. I can't recall seeing Demonic Gophers or Ultraviolet Radiation recently. Bumboat is still around in spam I think. If those are the only people gone then we have 21 MPs, meaning we needs 14 to force an election(2/3 majority or greater)

Also, how does parliament feel about this new upstart Senate (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518248)?

is the Senate just an offshoot of this?

is the Senate just an offshoot of this?

Not really. I'm not sure what the point of the senate is, to be honest. It's new. All they seem to be doing is carrying out a vendetta against the NBCyIpsWP. You'd think they'd start by establishing their procedures and all that.

Not really. I'm not sure what the point of the senate is, to be honest. It's new. All they seem to be doing is carrying out a vendetta against the NBCyIpsWP. You'd think they'd start by establishing their procedures and all that.

Inexperienced children, they are. :p And vile heretics, of course.

Inexperienced children, they are. :p And vile heretics, of course.

Indeed, vile heretics. I have plenty of popcorn.

Well that answered my quetion nicely.

mmmm popcorn :D

Also, how does parliament feel about this new upstart Senate (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518248)?
The senate is a complete farce.

The senate is a complete farce.

That sums it up nicely.

I would like to introduce:

NationStates Parliament Support Bill

RECOGNISING the recent appearance of the NationStates Senate (henceforth referred to as the 'Senate') in a separate Thread.

RECOGNISING that the Senate is subversive and traitorous towards the recently elected NationStates Parliament (henceforth referred to as the 'Parliament).

RECOGNISING the right if the Senate to associate.

RECOGNISING the attacks on the New British Choose your Imperial Pogo Stick Wisely Party (henceforth referred to as the 'NBCyIpsWP') by the Senate.

HENCEFORTH:

1. The Parliament condemns the Senate as a body and requests its members only to participate in the Senate in the spirit of this Bill and to show loyalty to Parliament in the Senate.

2. Condemns their attacks on the NBCyIpsWP as baseless and wrong.

3. Hopes that the Senate will, with honour, disband and join the Parliament as the democratic and official government of this forum.

New Burmesia
Ilaer
Ifreann
Gravlen

I'll support it, wot.

I'll support it, wot.
Excrement!:D

New elections! New elections! (This means I support the idea of new elections.)

New elections! New elections! (This means I support the idea of new elections.)

That makes 10. We need 4 more, possibly. Maybe 7.

That makes 10. We need 4 more, possibly. Maybe 7.

11!!!!! I gave my support to this already.

11!!!!! I gave my support to this already.

11 then. so we probably need 6 more.

Be there measures for banning them's as d'na answer the call? Be there means for forcing a quorum? (An do nae 11 of 23 constitute a simple majority quorum?)

I would like to introduce:
NationStates Parliament Support Bill


RECOGNISING the recent appearance of the NationStates Senate (henceforth referred to as the 'Senate') in a separate Thread.

RECOGNISING that the Senate is subversive and traitorous towards the recently elected NationStates Parliament (henceforth referred to as the 'Parliament).

RECOGNISING the right if the Senate to associate.

RECOGNISING the attacks on the New British Choose your Imperial Pogo Stick Wisely Party (henceforth referred to as the 'NBCyIpsWP') by the Senate.

HENCEFORTH:

1. The Parliament condemns the Senate as a body and requests its members only to participate in the Senate in the spirit of this Bill and to show loyalty to Parliament in the Senate.

2. Condemns their attacks on the NBCyIpsWP as baseless and wrong.

3. Hopes that the Senate will, with honour, disband and join the Parliament as the democratic and official government of this forum.

I be votin' nay, as this simple look to be a pogo ploy.

I would like to introduce:

I support this Bill with the full force of the four NBIP MPs.

Ilaer

I would like to introduce:

NationStates Parliament Support Bill

Aye, why not. I'll support it.

fine by me but i'm not an MP anymore, and iirc i left the poll open way too late last time :confused:

we should be clear about which time zone the poll starts in (GMT for me)
Actually i think you closed it early...
I am happy with GMT.

Be there measures for banning them's as d'na answer the call? Be there means for forcing a quorum? (An do nae 11 of 23 constitute a simple majority quorum?)



I be votin' nay, as this simple look to be a pogo ploy.
I be concuring because your Ole Law speak confusses me New Burmesia.

Be there measures for banning them's as d'na answer the call? Be there means for forcing a quorum? (An do nae 11 of 23 constitute a simple majority quorum?)

We need a 2/3 majority to force an election. That's 17 of 23, according to the guidelines.

New elections! New elections! (This means I support the idea of new elections.)

ill support that (if i even can....)

ill support that (if i even can....)

You can, but you don't count for anything.

You can, but you don't count for anything.

fine with me for now

fine with me for now

You should join/create a party. Then you might count in the next parliament.

You should join/create a party. Then you might count in the next parliament.

i will for the next parliament i think, thanks Ifreann

We need a 2/3 majority to force an election. That's 17 of 23, according to the guidelines.

A 2/3 majority, aye, but that surely be of a quorum? And what be a quorum? Tell me it nae be 100%!?! An if a quorum not be defined, surely it be a simple majority. An' that be meaning we have a 2/3 majority...

A 2/3 majority, aye, but that surely be of a quorum? And what be a quorum? Tell me it nae be 100%!?! An if a quorum not be defined, surely it be a simple majority. An' that be meaning we have a 2/3 majority...

2. The parliament may, by a two thirds (17) or greater majority vote to call an election at any time prior to the next scheduled date.
Two thirds of the MPs.

Two thirds of the MPs.

So there be no mechanism to deal with situations such as this in which there is less than a 100% quorum when MPs are AWOL and not reporting in?

(Be I missing anyone reporting an abstention or nay on this election? I seen't any...)

If there truely be no mechanism to deal absent MPs at this stage in the vote, I'll be instructing my party towards bloody revolt...

Vive la revolution!

Vive la revolution!

The guns be loaded by me orders? Grape and sangrenel? Issue an extra ration of rum and pass out the cutlasses and boarding axes.

So there be no mechanism to deal with situations such as this in which there is less than a 100% quorum when MPs are AWOL and not reporting in?
Well, yes and no.

It's in the hands of the parties really. If an MP dies (read: nation DEATed) it's up to the party to find a replacement. That also goes for the cases where the MPs changes parties - the original party retains the seats.

If the MPs go AWOL, well, that's their prerogative. As long as they stay in the party and stay alive there is little to be done.

Staying away from parliament is sending a message too...

(Be I missing anyone reporting an abstention or nay on this election? I seen't any...)
So you've missed my "Hell no!" then, I see?

If there truely be no mechanism to deal absent MPs at this stage in the vote, I'll be instructing my party towards bloody revolt...
Why not introduce legislation to deal with the issue instead?

I'll support the support bill, I guess. It's not like we have a quorum to actually pass any of our resolutions or bills, to be fair.

So you've missed my "Hell no!" then, I see?

Aye. Tis now 11 to 1 with 11 AWOL, lesse'n I missed more nayes.

Why not introduce legislation to deal with the issue instead?

It's already been introiduced and apparently can't come to a vote because of a warped interpritation of a quorum.

Alright I propose a bill, to be passed by simple majority:

Qurum Bill

A Qurom of parliment shall consist of a simple majority.


Please be suggestin' amends...

We be waiting not long...

Aye. Tis now 11 to 1 with 11 AWOL, lesse'n I missed more nayes.


It's already been introiduced and apparently can't come to a vote because of a warped interpritation of a quorum.
That's the curse of democracy for ya.

That's the curse of democracy for ya.

Ah, but that's where me party ethos comes in handy. There be no problem with bloody revolution by our party... In fact, it be our meat an' bread...

So there be no mechanism to deal with situations such as this in which there is less than a 100% quorum when MPs are AWOL and not reporting in?

(Be I missing anyone reporting an abstention or nay on this election? I seen't any...)

If there truely be no mechanism to deal absent MPs at this stage in the vote, I'll be instructing my party towards bloody revolt...

Well we shall have to create a mechanism to deal with absent MPs, wot. In fact, we shall have to make a decide on how long an MP must be away from parliament for him/her to be declared absent. Hmmmm.

Well we shall have to create a mechanism to deal with absent MPs, wot. In fact, we shall have to make a decide on how long an MP must be away from parliament for him/her to be declared absent. Hmmmm.

Not really, no. As I've said, the presence or lack thereof of the MPs is the responsibility of the parties. (Hence why each party needs a good whip ;) )

If the parties miss their MPs it's up to them how they choose to deal with it. What we might need, however, is a mechanism on how to deal with the loss of an entire party.

Well we shall have to create a mechanism to deal with absent MPs, wot. In fact, we shall have to make a decide on how long an MP must be away from parliament for him/her to be declared absent. Hmmmm.

Just give their votes to observers. I can pop in occasionally and make quick votes on subjects I am totally unqualified to judge on. It'll all work out though. Trust me. :)

Not really, no. As I've said, the presence or lack thereof of the MPs is the responsibility of the parties. (Hence why each party needs a good whip ;) )

If the parties miss their MPs it's up to them how they choose to deal with it. What we might need, however, is a mechanism on how to deal with the loss of an entire party.

Ah yes.

Daistallia, you seem to be keeping track of who's here and who isn't. Are there any entire parties missing?

Daistallia, you seem to be keeping track of who's here and who isn't. Are there any entire parties missing?

Err, ahem, no, not really. I was just going by the numbers given.... If somebody wants to take account of that...

Indeed. I might have time to TG all the MPs on Friday.

Indeed. I might have time to TG all the MPs on Friday.

You do that.

*Lays back and feels lazy*

Long time no see. What's been going on here then?

Long time no see. What's been going on here then?

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Parliamentary bump, wot.

Long time no see. What's been going on here then?

Gah...
*topples over dead from shock*
The Lord Philosophy has returned! I shall now step down from my temporary position and allow him to take his place once more.

Ilaer

Gah...
*topples over dead from shock*
The Lord Philosophy has returned! I shall now step down from my temporary position and allow him to take his place once more.

Ilaer

I tihnk I may have killed him when he saw the merged party thread.......

Parliamentary bump, wot.

Oy you!

*Smacks with umbrella for good measure*

I tihnk I may have killed him when he saw the merged party thread.......

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
I was hoping that Philosophy could revive the other NBIP members, particularly Gurguvungunit...
I enjoyed our historical debates...

Ilaer

Are we still doing this?

Are we still doing this?

In theory.

I tihnk I may have killed him when he saw the merged party thread.......

No, it's just taken me this long to finish reading the new party title.

In theory.

i.e. "Yes"

No, it's just taken me this long to finish reading the new party title.

Does that mean you disapprove?
I had to do something to keep the party alive, right?
:)

Ilaer

Does that mean you disapprove?
I had to do something to keep the party alive, right?
:)

Ilaer

No, no, of course not, good Ilaer. I just feel rather out of my depth having missed so much. I believe it would be in the best interests of the party if I followed the NBIP tradition with regards to its leaders; one election in charge, followed by retirement. Just provide me with a nice manor house in the country, old sport, and the party is yours.

No, no, of course not, good Ilaer. I just feel rather out of my depth having missed so much. I believe it would be in the best interests of the party if I followed the NBIP tradition with regards to its leaders; one election in charge, followed by retirement. Just provide me with a nice manor house in the country, old sport, and the party is yours.

I thought you had one already...
*sells all his tea stocks and buys Philosophy a manor house*
There you go.

But I don't want you to retire from the party...

Ilaer

I thought you had one already...
*sells all his tea stocks and buys Philosophy a manor house*
There you go.

But I don't want you to retire from the party...

Ilaer

Oh, I shall still be in the party, old sport! I shall just take more of a backseat role, in the time-honoured tradition of good Lord Praetonia and Lord Aust. I simply can't dedicate the time needed to leadership anymore, wot! If you ever need help, just give my butler a call, wotwot!

Oh, I shall still be in the party, old sport! I shall just take more of a backseat role, in the time-honoured tradition of good Lord Praetonia and Lord Aust. I simply can't dedicate the time needed to leadership anymore, wot! If you ever need help, just give my butler a call, wotwot!

But good lord Sah, the Lords Aust and Praetonia took far too much of a backseat role! You must keep posting regularly; promise the gentlemen of the party that at least.

Ilaer

But good lord Sah, the Lords Aust and Praetonia took far too much of a backseat role! You must keep posting regularly; promise the gentlemen of the party that at least.

Ilaer

I shall do my best, good sah! Don't worry, you have managed so far without me, Her Majesty has much faith in you! I shall be about, don't you worry.

Huzzah for the Emparh!

Alrighty, that's that. I'm be letting loose if there be not a solution by mid-watch next (fer the lubbers, as it be mid watch here, that be a full day). If there be not a solution there be carnage an' death.

Alrighty, that's that. I'm be letting loose if there be not a solution by mid-watch next (fer the lubbers, as it be mid watch here, that be a full day). If there be not a solution there be carnage an' death.

How dare you! How dare you!?
Matters have been complicated by the upstart Senate with which the NBCyIPsW party is currently negotiating for peace; your intrusion is most unwelcome at this moment in time, and to threaten such things! You, sir, are an unspeakable abomination upon NSG!
Redcoats, stand to! Prepare to open fire upon these pirates should they do anything suspicious!

Ilaer

Edit: Real 2^8 posts!

How dare you!

I am an elected MP. I need say no more.

I am an elected MP. I need say no more.

But threatening such things as you did...
I propose that Daistallia be replaced as Parliamentary MP with another Punks and Pirates party member in view of his violent tendencies.

Ilaer

We of the PUnks And Pirate Party fight this notion. We are all democratically elected and what you propse is wrong. Tick tock...tick tock time is ticking away. The NBCyIPsW Party has too much control over this Parliament and does not listen to others. This is turning towards dictatorship and will be opposed. As Daistallia said you have until tomorrow...

We of the PUnks And Pirate Party fight this notion. We are all democratically elected and what you propse is wrong. Tick tock...tick tock time is ticking away. The NBCyIPsW Party has too much control over this Parliament and does not listen to others. This is turning towards dictatorship and will be opposed. As Daistallia said you have until tomorrow...

Democracy does not run on violence.
And I demand that you give supporting evidence for your claims.

Ilaer

But threatening such things as you did...

Aye. If we be in time for an election and the apperant 100% quorum (which I still question - not even the real parliment that we are based on requires that!) to call for such be not met, drastic action is called for.

I propose that Daistallia be replaced as Parliamentary MP with another Punks and Pirates party member in view of his violent tendencies.

Ilaer

I propose that Ilaer be replaced by another member of his party who will show proper courtesy to MPs.

This party has declared war on the Senate and Denamrk with the consultation of the PArliament. The NBCyIPsW did not have any candidates when the Parliament was first elected and so should not have any MPs. This is a good enough reason for re-election or revolution!

OOC: In all seriousness, if a 100% quorum is really dictated by the rules, and no solution is forth coming due to the lack of participation from MP, I will, in the future refuse to participate and claim a lack of quorum to invalidate any futher legislation.

This is a rediculous impass and it needs to be dealt with.

This party has declared war on the Senate and Denamrk with the consultation of the PArliament. The NBCyIPsW did not have any candidates when the Parliament was first elected and so should not have any MPs. This is a good enough reason for re-election or revolution!

But the two pre-merger parties did, and as they have simply joined in a political alliance their MPs still stand.

OOC: In all seriousness, if a 100% quorum is really dictated by the rules, and no solution is forth coming due to the lack of participation from MP, I will, in the future refuse to participate and claim a lack of quorum to invalidate any futher legislation.

This is a rediculous impass and it needs to be dealt with.

I agree the impasse is ridiculous but still it stands.
We can do nothing but wait. I daresay we shall have new MPs soon; several of our previous are dead, including the Lady Vacuumhead *mourns*.

Ilaer

I agree the impasse is ridiculous but still it stands.
We can do nothing but wait. I daresay we shall have new MPs soon; several of our previous are dead, including the Lady Vacuumhead *mourns*.

Ilaer

My point exactly. If the rules call for a 100% quorum and that cannot be met and the parliment is unwilling to endorse the bill I introduced, then I will make sure no business will be carried out. Period.

This party has declared war on the Senate and Denamrk with the consultation of the PArliament. The NBCyIPsW did not have any candidates when the Parliament was first elected and so should not have any MPs. This is a good enough reason for re-election or revolution!

no the Senate declared war on us first and we got to watch out for Announcing a Coup: FUG lot

no the Senate declared war on us first and we got to watch out for Announcing a Coup: FUG lot

NJo such body exists. Ignore it.

My point exactly. If the rules call for a 100% quorum and that cannot be met and the parliment is unwilling to endorse the bill I introduced, then I will make sure no business will be carried out. Period.

That is still not civilized and certainly not what is expected of an MP.

Ilaer

That is still not civilized and certainly not what is expected of an MP.

Ilaer

I will but quote an equally radical and violent doctrine:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

I but follow my proper duty.

I will but quote an equally radical and violent doctrine:



I but follow my proper duty.

And... we're back to despot accusations again.
Real progress...

Ilaer

And... we're back to despot accusations again.
Real progress...

Ilaer

Hush you! You be in me brig in chains.

Hush you! You be in me brig in chains.

Nah.
If I'm in your brig in chains then why am I here speaking?
Hmmmm?

Ilaer

We of the PUnks And Pirate Party fight this notion. We are all democratically elected and what you propse is wrong. Tick tock...tick tock time is ticking away. The NBCyIPsW Party has too much control over this Parliament and does not listen to others. This is turning towards dictatorship and will be opposed. As Daistallia said you have until tomorrow...
So exactly how don't we listen?
This party has declared war on the Senate and Denamrk with the consultation of the PArliament. The NBCyIPsW did not have any candidates when the Parliament was first elected and so should not have any MPs. This is a good enough reason for re-election or revolution!
No. The MPs are from parties elected, and they're sitting as MPs of those parties at the moment. The alliance does not change that.
OOC: In all seriousness, if a 100% quorum is really dictated by the rules, and no solution is forth coming due to the lack of participation from MP, I will, in the future refuse to participate and claim a lack of quorum to invalidate any futher legislation. This is a rediculous impass and it needs to be dealt with.
As of now you need 16 votes to force an election. On everything else, you need 8 delegates to start a vote and then you need a simple majority of voters to get anything passed. Am I right so far?

Seeing as how only members of MOBRA has not been active in this thread for the last week - the last four pages as of now - I fail to see the problem. It is the responsibility of the parties to get their MPs to vote for matters they think is beneficial to them. If they fail to do so, well, then the resolutions will not pass. It is the prerogative of the parties to assign MP status to other members if an MP should be removed from Parliament. Should they choose to have their seats be vacant, that is up to the party in question too.

With members of all parties except MOBRA present, 8 votes should not be impossible to round up. That means that any legislation should be able to reach the voting stage.
My point exactly. If the rules call for a 100% quorum and that cannot be met and the parliment is unwilling to endorse the bill I introduced, then I will make sure no business will be carried out. Period.
Sir, please keep the threats to a minimum. It is not helpful. It would be better if you reposted your suggestion for a solution here.

I don't know parliamentary rules as well as I know House/Senate rules in the U.S., but theoretically, couldn't a simple majority (which we do have) suspend the rules and do away with quorum rules for the short term to have a new election?

Edit: And I'm trying to get the HRP to get all hands on deck to deal with this deadlock.

I don't know parliamentary rules as well as I know House/Senate rules in the U.S., but theoretically, couldn't a simple majority (which we do have) suspend the rules and do away with quorum rules for the short term to have a new election?

How would they go about doing that?

How would they go about doing that?

Well, I was wrong about suspensions of the rules being a simple majority.

In the House of Representatives, rules can be suspended by a 2/3 vote on the floor. The other option is that the Rules Committee (which would be the equivalent of Parliamentary leadership, I guess) suspends the rule with a majority vote in the committee.

But it requires a quorum. Fuck. Never mind.

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Okay, I'm gonna try to figure this out.

We, the parliament of NSG, do hereby enact
A Resolution

Whereas we, as a parliament are unable to act because of absent members, and therefore unable to carry out the duties placed upon us by our constituents.

Whereas we, the remain members of the parliament are of the opinion that the rules are excessively restrictive.

We ammend the rules of the Parliament to include a clause that if a roll call is held, and less than 2/3 of members of Parliament answer the call within one week, that those remaining members of the parliament shall be polled regarding the dissolution of parliament. If a simple majority is in favor of disssolution, then new elections shall be held.

We establish the rules for calling a roll call to be the call of a single member. That member shall appoint a member of Parliament other than themselves to be in charge of the Call. If there are no other members, they may oversee the call.

We declare that, for the purposes of this bill, a simple majority of all voting members shall be sufficient for the passage of the bill.

How does that look?

Supporters:

Ifreann
Daistallia 2104
Kinda Sensible people
All Four NBIP Members
Anarchoslavia

We, the parliament of NSG, do hereby enact
A Resolution

Whereas we, as a parliament are unable to act because of absent members, and therefore unable to carry out the duties placed upon us by our constituents.

Whereas we, the remain members of the parliament are of the opinion that the rules are excessively restrictive.

We ammend the rules of the Parliament to include a clause that if a roll call is held, and less than 18 members of Parliament answer the call within one week, that those remaining members of the parliament shall be polled regarding the dissolution of parliament. If a simple majority is in favor of disssolution, then new elections shall be held.

We establish the rules for calling a roll call to be the call of a single member. That member shall appoint a member of Parliament other than themselves to be in charge of the Call. If there are no other members, they may oversee the call.

We declare that, for the purposes of this bill, a simple majority of all voting members shall be sufficient for the passage of the bill.

How does that look?

Sounds well kinda sensible. You've my vote. We will hold off for the moment to give this a chance, but I say this is the last opprotunity.

Sir, please keep the threats to a minimum. It is not helpful. It would be better if you reposted your suggestion for a solution here.

That was no threat, but a promise to treat others as we have been treated...

Sounds well kinda sensible. You've my vote. We will hold off for the moment to give this a chance, but I say this is the last opprotunity.

Thank you sir. Just the kind of intelligence I would expect from a punk.

I hope that all the other Members of Parliament who remain here will follow your example.

Coincidentally, does my support count as one of the 8 needed?

Can someone link me to the first parliament thread?

This party has declared war on the Senate and Denamrk with the consultation of the PArliament. The NBCyIPsW did not have any candidates when the Parliament was first elected and so should not have any MPs. This is a good enough reason for re-election or revolution!
If the NBCyIpsWP has no MPs then I think you'll find that the NBIP and the CYpsWP still have 4 each.
Well, I was wrong about suspensions of the rules being a simple majority.

In the House of Representatives, rules can be suspended by a 2/3 vote on the floor. The other option is that the Rules Committee (which would be the equivalent of Parliamentary leadership, I guess) suspends the rule with a majority vote in the committee.

But it requires a quorum. Fuck. Never mind.

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Okay, I'm gonna try to figure this out.

We, the parliament of NSG, do hereby enact
A Resolution

Whereas we, as a parliament are unable to act because of absent members, and therefore unable to carry out the duties placed upon us by our constituents.

Whereas we, the remain members of the parliament are of the opinion that the rules are excessively restrictive.

We ammend the rules of the Parliament to include a clause that if a roll call is held, and less than 18 members of Parliament answer the call within one week, that those remaining members of the parliament shall be polled regarding the dissolution of parliament. If a simple majority is in favor of disssolution, then new elections shall be held.

We establish the rules for calling a roll call to be the call of a single member. That member shall appoint a member of Parliament other than themselves to be in charge of the Call. If there are no other members, they may oversee the call.

We declare that, for the purposes of this bill, a simple majority of all voting members shall be sufficient for the passage of the bill.

How does that look?
Sounds good. I'll support it.
Can someone link me to the first parliament thread?

I can't but it's probably in the archive.

Well, I was wrong about suspensions of the rules being a simple majority.

In the House of Representatives, rules can be suspended by a 2/3 vote on the floor. The other option is that the Rules Committee (which would be the equivalent of Parliamentary leadership, I guess) suspends the rule with a majority vote in the committee.

But it requires a quorum. Fuck. Never mind.

- - - - - - - - - -

Okay, I'm gonna try to figure this out.

We, the parliament of NSG, do hereby enact
A Resolution

Whereas we, as a parliament are unable to act because of absent members, and therefore unable to carry out the duties placed upon us by our constituents.

Whereas we, the remain members of the parliament are of the opinion that the rules are excessively restrictive.

We ammend the rules of the Parliament to include a clause that if a roll call is held, and less than 18 members of Parliament answer the call within one week, that those remaining members of the parliament shall be polled regarding the dissolution of parliament. If a simple majority is in favor of disssolution, then new elections shall be held.

We establish the rules for calling a roll call to be the call of a single member. That member shall appoint a member of Parliament other than themselves to be in charge of the Call. If there are no other members, they may oversee the call.

We declare that, for the purposes of this bill, a simple majority of all voting members shall be sufficient for the passage of the bill.

How does that look?

Supporters:

Ifreann
Daistallia 2104
Kinda Sensible people

I support this with the full weight of all four NBIP MPs (again).

Ilaer

I support this with the full weight of all four NBIP MPs (again).

Ilaer

For which we now be releasing you from the brig.

Minaris rescued me once already, even though I'd already been rescued before that by a party of redcoats.

Ilaer


The redcoats were repulsed (as a godmode) and Minaris simply shot a cannonball into the brig. Anyway, ye be free now.

For which we now be releasing you from the brig.

Minaris rescued me once already, even though I'd already been rescued before that by a party of redcoats.

Ilaer

Okay, I'm gonna try to figure this out.

We, the parliament of NSG, do hereby enact
A Resolution

Whereas we, as a parliament are unable to act because of absent members, and therefore unable to carry out the duties placed upon us by our constituents.

Whereas we, the remain members of the parliament are of the opinion that the rules are excessively restrictive.

We ammend the rules of the Parliament to include a clause that if a roll call is held, and less than 18 members of Parliament answer the call within one week, that those remaining members of the parliament shall be polled regarding the dissolution of parliament. If a simple majority is in favor of disssolution, then new elections shall be held.

We establish the rules for calling a roll call to be the call of a single member. That member shall appoint a member of Parliament other than themselves to be in charge of the Call. If there are no other members, they may oversee the call.

We declare that, for the purposes of this bill, a simple majority of all voting members shall be sufficient for the passage of the bill.

How does that look?

Supporters:

Ifreann
Daistallia 2104
Kinda Sensible people

Hmm... Unsure. First thing I note is the part about "less than 18 members" - in the rules of procedure it's either 1/3 to reach quorum or 2/3 to force an election. I think the resolution should at least be in the same manner.

*pokes parliament*

Hmm... Unsure. First thing I note is the part about "less than 18 members" - in the rules of procedure it's either 1/3 to reach quorum or 2/3 to force an election. I think the resolution should at least be in the same manner.

I can change that. The intention of the bill remains the same.

I can't but it's probably in the archive.
I doubt it was archived.
Search options appear to be screwy...

I doubt it was archived.
Search options appear to be screwy...

Perhaps there was no first NS parliament :eek:

Perhaps there was no first NS parliament :eek:

There is no spoon :cool:

Perhaps there was no first NS parliament :eek:
In Soviet Russia, there was?
Wait...

I'm so confused.

There is no spoon :cool:
That just leaves an idiot.
YOU!
*Grumbles*

That just leaves an idiot.
YOU!
*Grumbles*

There can be only one! :cool:

*Wanders off to find a village*

There can be only one! :cool:

*Wanders off to find a village*

My village, get away!

My village, get away!

We need to get an election sorted out, don't we...
You can tell. We're all descending into silliness, even by NBCyIPsW party standards. :D
Oh, and by the way: why did we choose the 'Y' in 'Your' to be lowercase for our party acronym?

Ilaer

There can be only one! :cool:

*Wanders off to find a village*
Dammit i'm the village idiot of this village!
Two Ronnies keep away!

We need to get an election sorted out, don't we...
You can tell. We're all descending into silliness, even by NBCyIPsW party standards. :D
Oh, and by the way: why did we choose the 'Y' in 'Your' to be lowercase for our party acronym?

Ilaer

Yeah, we need more electy goodness. How's about we give x amount of time and if nobody try to stop us we'll have an election?

Also, I have no idea why the Y, P and S are lower case, they always have been. Ask Ruffy.

Yeah, we need more electy goodness. How's about we give x amount of time and if nobody try to stop us we'll have an election?
*Plots to undermine the ploy for elections*

...

Okay, I'm gonna try to figure this out.

We, the parliament of NSG, do hereby enact
A Resolution

Whereas we, as a parliament are unable to act because of absent members, and therefore unable to carry out the duties placed upon us by our constituents.

Whereas we, the remain members of the parliament are of the opinion that the rules are excessively restrictive.

We ammend the rules of the Parliament to include a clause that if a roll call is held, and less than 2/3 of members of Parliament answer the call within one week, that those remaining members of the parliament shall be polled regarding the dissolution of parliament. If a simple majority is in favor of disssolution, then new elections shall be held.

We establish the rules for calling a roll call to be the call of a single member. That member shall appoint a member of Parliament other than themselves to be in charge of the Call. If there are no other members, they may oversee the call.

We declare that, for the purposes of this bill, a simple majority of all voting members shall be sufficient for the passage of the bill.


i be supportin' this 'ere bill to hold new elections

Yeah, we need more electy goodness. How's about we give x amount of time and if nobody try to stop us we'll have an election?

another week, perhaps?

*Plots to undermine the ploy for elections*
Cursed evil Gravlen.
another week, perhaps?

Meh, why not.

Yeah, we need more electy goodness. How's about we give x amount of time and if nobody try to stop us we'll have an election?
I am confident that was the case anyways, bu you people seem set on having a vote to disolve parliament.
Also, I have no idea why the Y, P and S are lower case, they always have been. Ask Ruffy.
I know why.

Wasn't this last election brilliant? So few of the MPs were serious about it that Parliament has to break the constitution to hold an election so that it can fulfill its duties!

This must be fixed guys.

Signed,

A concerned citizen of NSG.

Many of the MPs nations no longer exist, what are we meant to do with a reduced parliament?

Wasn't this last election brilliant? So few of the MPs were serious about it that Parliament has to break the constitution to hold an election so that it can fulfill its duties!

This must be fixed guys.

Signed,

A concerned citizen of NSG.

My bill now has the support of Eight MPs. I assume that this means I can open a thread for the first round on it?

My bill now has the support of Eight MPs. I assume that this means I can open a thread for the first round on it?

Sounds right.

so you're having elections?

Does this mean that the Commonwealth party can finally run?

Will the fourth NSG Parliament prove to be a fourth duma of sorts?

Perhaps an NSG soviet of workers, students, soldiers and peasants needs to be established.

so you're having elections?
Maybe
Does this mean that the Commonwealth party can finally run?

If we have elections you can try.

Many of the MPs nations no longer exist, what are we meant to do with a reduced parliament?

There should be a clause in the Constitution exactly for this.

Will the fourth NSG Parliament prove to be a fourth duma of sorts?

Perhaps an NSG soviet of workers, students, soldiers and peasants needs to be established.

I'll support it!

There should be a clause in the Constitution exactly for this.

It hasn't come up before. The other parliaments just faded away, and weren't mentioned till the next year.

Actually, the procedural guidelines say that elections should be held every 4 months, and it's been more than 4 months since the last one. That's good enough for me.

Let the word ring out across the land:
We needz moar election!

It hasn't come up before. The other parliaments just faded away, and weren't mentioned till the next year.

Well, then we know what to fix this time.

Well, then we know what to fix this time.

Who's we? I'd concentrate on getting elected first if I were you.

To arms!

to what

I'll support it!

To arms!

My bill now has the support of Eight MPs. I assume that this means I can open a thread for the first round on it?

Rock on! :)

Who's we? I'd concentrate on getting elected first if I were you.

Sheesh, try to use inclusive language and then you get berated for it.

You're not even worth talking to.

My bill now has the support of Eight MPs. I assume that this means I can open a thread for the first round on it?

Go for it! We want a thread! :fluffle:

Sheesh, try to use inclusive language and then you get berated for it.

You're not even worth talking to.

I'm just sayin, you might not get elected and I might not get re-elected. The public opinion can be a fickle bitch.

So who will start the election, now?

Who wants one?

Scratch that - why should we hold one?

*Waits for Kinda Sensible people to make a thread for his bill*

There is now a Thread (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520655).

The public ... can be a ... bitch.

There you have it, NSG voters, an MP calling the public a "bitch"! How do you feel about this immature behavior from an elected official?

:p

There you have it, NSG voters, an MP calling the public a "bitch"! How do you feel about this immature behavior from an elected official?

:p

Damn press, can't you see I'm busy getting oral sex from my secreatary?

Another week to wait, uh?

Another week to wait, uh?

A week won't kill you.

In theory. In the meantime, start getting your campaign set up. Think of it as good advance warning.

Soooooooooo.....
Any idea when we're gonna get this election going, guys?