NationStates Jolt Archive

Step right up boys and girls, women and men, and partisans of all kinds, this is the last peanut gallery for this presidential campaign. I was watching that silly Smeagal/Gollum cartoon during the instructions to the crowd on C-SPAN, so I missed one of my favorite parts. I did see the dean or somebody whore for Arizona state and use a native american who looked annoyed to demonstrate diversity. ("See her. This school is built on he peoples land and now she goes here and gets a 4.0, so we're cool" Over simplified, don't argue it I know I'm mostly wrong.

Ah, the three minutes make things look interesting span. Fire up your one liners

What time and what channel are they on tonight?

Usual vault rules apply, touch not lest you be touched. Spelling and grammar nazis need not apply.

Two minute warning got a laugh, easy crowd.

woot! Here we go. :)

This is going to be a very interesting debate tonight.

What time and what channel are they on tonight?
I watch on C-SPAN because cut aways give me the red ass. It's on in a minute thirty
(like, now)

*phew*

I almost completely forgot about it. Ready to rock :)

Cool, I can actually hear all the lead ins.

Here we go!

*phew*

I almost completely forgot about it. Ready to rock :)
And we're off!!

Yeah, I had to remind myself...

Here we go boys and girls.

Forget the debate - I'm watching the Yankee/Sox game

Forget the debate - I'm watching the Yankee/Sox game

Then get out of here but tell me if the Red Sox win :D

There should be some non-sequitar prize for the candidates, the one who sneaks in the most wins a George Foreman grill or something....

And heeerrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee they come!

*applauds*

Hey, the both wore the same color tie this time. The other two debates have been Kerry-red and Bush-blue haven't they?

Kerry is up.

It seems like he said Coen toss.....

Yankee/Sox game means nothing, no one will beta the Cardinals this year I think. I don't even like them, but there is no possibility of any team taking them on.

I took a good look. No wires this time.

Was the world they grew up in oh so safe?

What about the Cold War?

Right out on the attack on Bush's rushing to war.

As safe as the world you grew up in? AS YOU GREW UP IN??????? You had a missle crisis for crying out loud.....

Kerry-red
LOL
Kerry-Red?
Anyone else see the humor there.

/me whispers damn communist
;)

BUSH'S FACE WAS HILARIOUS JUST NOW!!!! in profile

Was the world they grew up in oh so safe?

What about the Cold War?

I was just thinking that!

*dives into the peanut gallery killing a hippy in the process

As safe as the world you grew up in? AS YOU GREW UP IN??????? You had a missle crisis for crying out loud.....

Yes you did! Amazing isn't it?

EEK. we'll kill them!

Hmm...seems like he's avoiding the question.

Ah, there he goes, pulling it up at the end. Not a great answer, but he answered.

spread freedom and liberty. haha... let's take over the world and spread americanism all over the world

You can see Bush concentrating "Just look at him Just look at him....don't fidget...."

Someone adjust the top end of Bush's mic-whats with that ring......Who's doing the sound here, me?

There we go again with the "3/4th of al-Qaida has been brought to justice" and also talkin about Afghanistan's elections......of course, he hasn't mentioned all the accusations of massive voter fraud...

Yeah, I hear the ring on Bush's mic too.

Kerry Laughed Kerry Laughed! LOL

hmm, look terrorism. how do we fix that?

we fight the terrorists and wecover our ports (kerry)
bush - we go kill em! yee ha!

I thought this was about domestic issues...

WOOT! go Kerry!

Ah, Kerry's mic is the same. Crappy equipment.

Yeah, I hear the ring on Bush's mic too.
he has one of those toy $3 microphones

Bush Just Laughed Too!

I thought this was about domestic issues...

Security is a domestic Issue as well.

Yes you did! Amazing isn't it?
I'm not that old dude....


OH YES YOU DID-You said you don't care about him-it's on video you chimp....good christ.....

every asset at our disposal to get osama bin laden? jesus christ, is he INVISIBLE? we caught saddam in what? less than a year? we've been looking for osama for what? 2+ years?

Question on Flu Vaccines.

Security is a domestic Issue as well.
Attacking a foreign country isn't a domestic issue.

Ooh. Big word points for Bush, using "exaggerations".

Thanks for the facts George. He asked WHY it happened.

Working with Canada? The same Canada who's drugs we can't take because they may kill us all?

OH MY GOD! Bush just said "we're working with Canada" to get flu shots.....so obviously if flu shots from Canada are safe, why does he claim prescription drugs aren't??

Has anyone noticed the really annoying greetings? I mean... its a little old now.

And their tie colours. Kinda ironic that Bush's in the first two were blue, and Kerry's were red, and now they're both red...

Ya know, I hear the same thing coming out of both candidates mouths, and mikes! isn't that strange . . . . .

Sweet, Bush isn't getting a Flu Vaccine!

We stopped it? Sorry, the brits stopped it. Nice try.

WHAT?!!!

down with trial lawyers!!!!!!!!!1

great way to change the question

Did he just say, "eh, don't get flu shots......."

I don't, but that was his response



wait, litigation, THATS the reason? Bogedy Bogedy

oh look, fucknig stupid pot shot at lawyers!

hey guess what, STOP MAKING FUCKED UP VACCINES AND YOU DONT GET SUED

Has anyone noticed the really annoying greetings? I mean... its a little old now.

And their tie colours. Kinda ironic that Bush's in the first two were blue, and Kerry's were red, and now they're both red...

And the exact same style to it seems.

Stupid C-Span keeps fooling around with the cameras. Let me see the timers gosh-tarnit!

oh look, fucknig stupid pot shot at lawyers!

hey guess what, STOP MAKING FUCKED UP VACCINES AND YOU DONT GET SUED
To quote you

Lawyer's don't roam the streets pulling unwilling clients out of thier homes into court, blaming lawyers is like walking into a bar, decking the first guy you see and then saying "Man, fists are out of control these days..."

bush seems to find all of this health care loss kind of amusing, or is that jsut the way its coming across to me?

Why is Kerry talking about Health Insurance on a Flu Vaccine Question?

is it just me or are the cameras really wobbly?

gah. why didn't he even address the question? :mad:

Not much of an answer there Kerry. Gotta try better.

To quote you

Lawyer's don't roam the streets pulling unwilling clients out of thier homes into court, blaming lawyers is like walking into a bar, decking the first guy you see and then saying "Man, fists are out of control these days..."
That was me.

gah. why didn't he even address the question? :mad:

I'm still wondering what Kerry was talking about and what it had to deal with Flu Vaccines!

Let's reduce the Senators health plan then!

Bush lost so much of his remaining "respect" up here for those retarded comments about Canadian drugs... fool of a Took. Looks like he did it again!

Ah, that's Bushie for ya.

That was me.
I could have sworn that it was Chess?


Is bush pounding the podium?

Let's reduce the Senators health plan then!

Seconded

Oh goodie! Tax Question!

I have a dream! that black children and white children.. oh wait sorry, i mean that all children will have healthcare!


bush: hu hu, your a dumbass, if kerry got healthcare authorized we would spend 5 trillion dollars in 10years (which is ALOT higher than the real figure)

lets see 5 trillion in 10 years on the united states, the is 500 billion a year. um how much have we spent on iraq alone, THIS year?

thats right, and we are CUTTING TAXES

is it just me or are the cameras really wobbly?
They're too far back so every time it gets touched it's like an earthquake.

Bush is blinking a lot. Kerry does while he's talking, but Bush is just chilling and blinking as much.

bush develops a funny shadow tan when he looks down

I could have sworn that it was Chess?


Is bush pounding the podium?
No, me. I used to write a column, I used it there and I think I used it in the last peanut gallery.

10 bucks says bush reputes all of kerry's facts and rational thought process with inane bullshit without facts.

No, me. I used to write a column, I used it there and I think I used it in the last peanut gallery.
Ah, well, my mistake. I could have sworn that it was Chess though.

Hitting on Kerry's Record. Way to Go Mr. President.

There's that 98 times call. Wasn't that proved wrong on factcheck.org?

Paygo

paigo

Pay AS YOU GO dumbass

Is it just me or is Bush pulling numbers out of his ass to make his point?

10 bucks says bush reputes all of kerry's facts and rational thought process with inane bullshit without facts.

Amen, brother! I'd bet, but I know I'd lose...

is it just me or are those different than the nubmers they used LAST time they accused kerry of something? oh look im right, inane bullshit. kerry: asserts facts. bush: bashes kerry.

this reminds me of an optimus rhyme line in ford v chevy

"instead of trying to energize the crowd you criticise me"

that fits here

Someone at factcheck.org just started steaming.......

man, that's gotta be frustrating for them-they know the white house knows they're there and Bush still uses the same shit. How do you do that head pound thing...?

There's that 98 times call. Wasn't that proved wrong on factcheck.org?
Yep. By the same way of counting that they got the 98 times figure, Kerry aso voted to LOWER taxes over 600 times.

Freakin' cameras, I don't want to see their pores! I want to see the light timers!

And when perfectly educated people can't get a job?

College grads, even post-graduate and they can't get a job? What then Mr. President?

This is too hard to type and listen....I'm going to cut back on my comments :)

bush: i saw aproblem in the education system. it had too much money

There's that 98 times call. Wasn't that proved wrong on factcheck.org?
Yup.

Ah, well, my mistake. I could have sworn that it was Chess though.
It's my lack of identity, no one thinks I do anything.....if I only had a name....

bush: i saw aproblem in the education system. it had too much money


Actually, it needed more rules and no money to fund it

And when perfectly educated people can't get a job?

College grads, even post-graduate and they can't get a job? What then Mr. President?

Tells me that those positions are filled by other qualified people. If you have to many grads in one area, your bound to run out of posts for them.

So you're gonna give that person money to go to Community College? Are you SERIOUS? Community College is just High School +1 grade!

I'm not voting for either of these douchebags, Bush just called Kerry a "senator from mass." again, and Kerry keeps laughing to himself while bush is speaking.

Actually, it needed more rules and no money to fund it
didnt i say thatt?

didnt i say thatt?

yes dear, i'm agreeing. :p

*bush notes*

"kerry is a stupid doo doo head"

So you're gonna give that person money to go to Community College? Are you SERIOUS? Community College is just High School +1 grade!
Yes.

(hahah, tony soprano)

bush looks like he has some spit on his lip. His right side

So you're gonna give that person money to go to Community College? Are you SERIOUS? Community College is just High School +1 grade!

I went to Community College with Student Loans. Now I'm at a university.

Is Kerry losing his voice? or is it just the mic?

So you're gonna give that person money to go to Community College? Are you SERIOUS? Community College is just High School +1 grade!
UBW:University Behind Walmart

I went to Community College with Student Loans. Now I'm at a university.
Me too. Community college actually bailed me out of my situation.

Is Kerry losing his voice? or is it just the mic?

I think its the mic.

Grrr...

If Bush gets re-elected, and he gets another SNAFU, y'all should impeach him. Seriously. Kick his ass out of the White House.

i bet bush's rebuttal involves calling kerry a flip flopper

Me too. Community college actually bailed me out of my situation.

If it wasn't for Community College, I wouldn't be where I'm at right now.

He blew his wad on 'liteny'

litany coems to him automatically but he stumbles over misstatements? now come on.

community college is a great system to have in America. But we also have people that graduate from University and can't get jobs in their fields.

If there are no high end jobs here? What then?




Increase by a million students and REDUCE THE AMOUNT THEY GET.

i bet bush's rebuttal involves calling kerry a flip flopper

I think Bush has played that card more times than there are cards in the deck. ;)

If it wasn't for Community College, I wouldn't be where I'm at right now.
Certainly true of me. I went from homeless to a UC education

Bullcrap bush, he's talking about the funding.

*kerry notes*

"bush has no clue what the hell hes talking about as usual"

I went to Community College with Student Loans. Now I'm at a university.

Congrats. However, in my experience with students going into a Community College, the majority didn't ever have plans to continue on to college. I'm glad some people do take advantage of it and move onto a University. I just know a lot of people who don't, which causes my cyncism to it.

98 times!!!!
98 times!!!!!
98 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh look i CALLED it, nowhere in his rebuttle does he actually rebute ANYTHING, he just goes back to repeating bs and calls him a flip flopper

BITCH SLAP!!!!

I was waiting for him to do that.

That's true. They are smaller.

factcheck.org

I just realized that neither of these guys look like actual people. We're running a robot and a chimp.

Get over the 98 times number Bush! We know it's wrong! Thank your VP for it!

Congrats. However, in my experience with students going into a Community College, the majority didn't ever have plans to continue on to college. I'm glad some people do take advantage of it and move onto a University. I just know a lot of people who don't, which causes my cyncism to it.

In this is true.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Kerry needs to say

SEE FACTCHECK.ORG!

Gay Marriage time.

rofl, bush paused for laughter and got jack shit.

i think that dampered his dumbass

98 times!!!!
98 times!!!!!
98 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bet he's going to bring that up at least 98 times.

I bet he's going to bring that up at least 98 times.
600 times cut bitch!

As we "profess" tolerance. hahaha.. truer words....

it's a trap, Bush-get an axe!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Kerry needs to say

SEE FACTCHECK.ORG!
I'm waiting for him to do exactly that

He's openly admitting that he proposed that? Well, if he gets a single gay/lesbian vote, I'll be surprised.

wow shouldve seen that coming "activist judges"


damn activist judges doing things like saying you cant keep homosexuals from marrying and saying you have to pay people a minimum wage and cant work children all day everyday

I also knows that dem queers need to be locked up in a reformation camp so they fuck wo'man like dey supposed to.


:rolleyes:


(activist judges! activist judges!)

If it gets overturned people who love each other might have some basic rights that straight people have...

what a shame.......

At least Bush was honest with his answer!

*Waits to get hammered*

WHOA! Kerry just said "We're all God's children" and mentioned Cheney's daughter within 10 seconds of each other!! 2 points!

I missed part of this response fooling around with the remote....

Here it comes! Abortion ABORTION

Here it comes! Abortion ABORTION
Uhoh.

aahh... why I like Kerry. Very nice. :D

he brought up stem cell research, i can already feel bush making fun of cristopher reeve

I cannot legislate an article of faith. I love this guy.

I like that. He can't legislate his belief onto other people. I think that's a great answer. I don't believe it, but I can't make other people believe my opinion is the only right one.

Bush's notes:

"Kerry was an altar boy? Huh, who knew?"

I cannot legislate an article of faith. I love this guy.

Ahhh, you beat me!

Bush's notes:

"Kerry was an altar boy? Huh, who knew?"
"That's news to me!"

"That's news to me!"
Got wood?

Who gets to determine 'mainstream'?

I hate that phrase:
"Culture of Life"

Bush is making a good point on abortion right now.

Who gets to determine 'mainstream'?
I guess Bush does.

between the number bullshit and the pause for laughs and thursday ngiht shenanigans, christmas just came early for john stewart

Adoption programs? When there are already so many children that don't find homes?

He'll say lawyers

Bush is making a good point on abortion right now.
you do realise he never made an exact point, he made a general statement and a criticism of his opponent, he never made his belief or what he wanted to do known

Bush keeps on trying to throw out zingers and it's getting annoying. We know people think you're funny. But not when you do it on purpose! Yeesh.

He'll say lawyers
ding ding ding! :rolleyes:

He just stole part of Kerry's platform....interesting....

im pretty suire one thing causing healthcare to go up is ZERO competition and ZERO regulation

bush believes in whatever he said about regulation. aka he believes in banning all malpractice lawsuits. oh yeah THAT will make your costs come down :rolleyes:

those generic drugs from.... CANADA!!!

He'll say lawyers

And lawyers are a part of it.

I know of doctors back home that have High Malpractice Insurance and left because of it and they do blame it on lawsuits.

Is it just me or is Kerry talking a lot slower and more calmly than Bush? When Bush talks he keeps throwing numbers and moving too fast to follow well.

Bush keeps on trying to throw out zingers and it's getting annoying. We know people think you're funny. But not when you do it on purpose! Yeesh.
i liked the pause for laughter being met with blank stares earlier

bush is really finding kerry outlining piss poor healthcare stuff very amusing, its sad.

"The Administration has frozen the maximum Pell Grant available to students at $4,050, despite the President's campaign pledge in 2000 to increase the award to $5,100. The program freeze comes at the same time "state colleges and universities in every region of the country are preparing to impose this fall their steepest tuition and fee increases in a decade." Because of the Administration's budget, "most students won't get any more help than they receive now" – at the same time the White House has proposed a rule change that would cut off 84,000 students from receiving college aid."

Bush lied.

He has more of a record than you Bush! 300 bills proposed vs ... 0?

Is it just me or is Kerry talking a lot slower and more calmly than Bush? When Bush talks he keeps throwing numbers and moving too fast to follow well.
Kerry was amping up but calmed himself down

He has more of a record than you Bush! 300 bills proposed vs ... 0?

He was a governor not a legistlature

What's up with Bush's mouth? Half smile, half frown. No, wait. It's slanted. Has it always been slanted? That's wierd.

What's up with Bush's mouth? Half smile, half frown. No, wait. It's slanted. Has it always been slanted? That's wierd.
FLIP FLOPPER!

"The Administration has frozen the maximum Pell Grant available to students at $4,050, despite the President's campaign pledge in 2000 to increase the award to $5,100. The program freeze comes at the same time "state colleges and universities in every region of the country are preparing to impose this fall their steepest tuition and fee increases in a decade." Because of the Administration's budget, "most students won't get any more help than they receive now" – at the same time the White House has proposed a rule change that would cut off 84,000 students from receiving college aid."

Bush lied.
Thanks for that.

those generic drugs from.... CANADA!!!

Damn fearmongering Bush. Makin' the Yankee populace think us Canadians will poison them with low-quality drugs... that fool.

He was a governor not a legistlature

Exactly. That's still less experience than Kerry has had.

Exactly. That's still less experience than Kerry has had.

WRONG!!! Bush has more Executive Experience than Kerry so Bush actually has more experience than Kerry does as an Executive Officer.

What the hell was that???????

Bush is acting pretty stupid.

"It's incredible to quote the leading news organizations...ah nevermind."

wow

WRONG!!! Bush has more Executive Experience than Kerry so Bush actually has more experience than Kerry does as an Executive Officer.

Bush has also done a crap-tastic job. Some experience. He's taken a third of his term as vacation. Nice job, Bush! If he worked for me, I'd fire his Texas ass.

Won't those companies then have more money for expansion and wages then?

There's government insurance?

Bush has also done a crap-tastic job. Some experience. He's taken a third of his term as vacation. Nice job, Bush! If he worked for me, I'd fire his Texas ass.

A Working vacation dumbass! A President gets no time off!

Our healthcare system is the envy of the world? Not the last time I heard.

1.3 trillion dollars...in 10 years

1,300,000,000 / 10 = 130,000,000

how much have we spent on iraq? oh thats right 200 billion+


msot envied healthcare in the world

lets see cuba is a third world, cuba has healthcare for everyone, cuba's general health related facts is better than america's

We're the only industrial country in the world that does not provide health care for it's citizens.

"I am not going to have a Government Funded Healthcare.."

BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!!

and I will say the same for Bush too because we all know how well funded the VA is

"I am not going to have a Government Funded Healthcare.."

BULLSHIT!!!! BULLSHIT!!!!

and I will say the same for Bush too because we all know how well funded the VA is

Want an honest way to spend less on healthcare in the United States?

Make it public.

We spent 9.7% of the GDP (Canada, that is), as opposed to the US's 14.7%. And ours is universal and public. Seeing anything, yet?

We're the only industrial country in the world that does not provide health care for it's citizens.
big envy

1.3 trillion dollars...in 10 years

1,300,000,000 / 10 = 130,000,000

how much have we spent on iraq? oh thats right 200 billion+


msot envied healthcare in the world

lets see cuba is a third world, cuba has healthcare for everyone, cuba's general health related facts is better than america's
$120 Billion, the $200 is 'eventual costs,' from factcheck.org again. Just so we don't fall in the same traps.

Want an honest way to spend less on healthcare in the United States?

Make it public.

We spent 9.7% of the GDP (Canada, that is), as opposed to the US's 14.7%. And ours is universal and public. Seeing anything, yet?

Public=Government Run
Private=Citizen Run

It's vital in your SECOND term? Why wasn't it vital in your first term? I think it should be vital all the time!

Next time Bush makes that completely moronic grin when he speaks, I'm gettin my 12-gauge ready... :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: ...

Want an honest way to spend less on healthcare in the United States?

Make it public.

We spent 9.7% of the GDP (Canada, that is), as opposed to the US's 14.7%. And ours is universal and public. Seeing anything, yet?
I campaigned for universal healthcare in the early nineties. No one wanted to hear it from me....I'm with you

all this dumbass bush smriking reminds me of john goodman.

and here comes bush bullshit rebuttle

Hears the money flying out of Social Security if Kerry gets Elected.

It's vital in your SECOND term? Why wasn't it vital in your first term? I think it should be vital all the time!
"Vote for Bush, so he can finish the work he never began." - John Stewart

good job, ninety something-lord knows if he got the year wrong that's all we'd hear about....

good job, ninety something-lord knows if he got the year wrong that's all we'd hear about....

To be honest, I don't think people would really care to be honest.

Go Kerry! Bring back the 90's!

LOL Bush just accused of Kerry planning to do "more of the same"

To be honest, I don't think people would really care to be honest.
We spent three days on whats under a jacket and when a company was a lumber company and when it was oil company. Never underestimate the nitpicky.

top percent of america pays 80% of the taxes! and still take home at least 2 times what people paying the other 20% of the taxes do

We spent three days on whats under a jacket and when a company was a lumber company and when it was oil company. Never underestimate the nitpicky.

Good point :D

This guy is not for any bullshit, Bush and Kerry have both motioned for rebuttles that he has ignored.

Immigration Issue time.

Bush broke a rule. You aren't allowed to look at your oppenent when he's already looking at you.

good job bush pander to everyone!

This guy is not for any bullshit, Bush and Kerry have both motioned for rebuttles that he has ignored.

I give him Kuddos for that.

top percent of america pays 80% of the taxes! and still take home at least 2 times what people paying the other 20% of the taxes do

This is something I've never understood. Why haven't we implemented a simple flat-tax scheme? Why all the loopholes and credits and such, when we could just set it to some figure (10% of gross income, perhaps?) and be done with it?

make sure all the new mexican immigrants vote for me!

Bush broke a rule. You aren't allowed to look at your oppenent when he's already looking at you.
:)

This is something I've never understood. Why haven't we implemented a simple flat-tax scheme? Why all the loopholes and credits and such, when we could just set it to some figure (10% of gross income, perhaps?) and be done with it?

Can see Unemployment sore when the IRS gets dismantled.

top percent of america pays 80% of the taxes! and still take home at least 2 times what people paying the other 20% of the taxes do

That's right. The vast majority of American voters need to get smart, minimise the rich-poor gap, and tax the rich. They don't need to whine about taxes when they aren't paying them!

Good point on the "worker job card" thing. Though, I'll probably get a huge backlash from my statement.

This is something I've never understood. Why haven't we implemented a simple flat-tax scheme? Why all the loopholes and credits and such, when we could just set it to some figure (10% of gross income, perhaps?) and be done with it?
unfair to poor people

This is something I've never understood. Why haven't we implemented a simple flat-tax scheme? Why all the loopholes and credits and such, when we could just set it to some figure (10% of gross income, perhaps?) and be done with it?

Democracies love trying to make everyone happpy.

Screw the last Question Kerry! Answer the current Question.

unfair to poor people

Then why is the poor not paying taxes?

Screw the last Question Kerry! Answer the current Question.

good statement

Democracies love trying to make everyone happpy.

No, democracies love trying to make a majority of people love them so they can keep getting elected. Yeesh.

Did Bush just bare his teeth?

That's right. The vast majority of American voters need to get smart, minimise the rich-poor gap, and tax the rich. They don't need to whine about taxes when they aren't paying them!

Nice stereotype.

unfair to poor people

Explain your reasoning. Makes more sense to me. Poor people would be paying a pittance compared to the rich people, but it'd still be the same percentage of income.

Hell, corporations are "people" too! Why not include them in the same tax system?

hehe its against the law to hire people illegally

blah blah im the border governor!

Why are they both wearing red ties?

Then why is the poor not paying taxes?

Because if they had to pay even marginally larger taxes, they couldn't afford food, and they would starve. Happy?

Bush looked like that was new news...

Why are they both wearing red ties?

Kerry's red tie is considered lucky by him for some reason. As for Bush, can't answer it.

Why are they both wearing red ties?I can't tell them apart now.

Why is it that Kerry never tells how he is going to do anything? He just says, "I have a plan."

Explain your reasoning. Makes more sense to me. Poor people would be paying a pittance compared to the rich people, but it'd still be the same percentage of income.

Hell, corporations are "people" too! Why not include them in the same tax system?
ok you tell me what hurts some one more


earning 50,000 and paying 5,000

OR

earning 300,000 and paying 30,000

Because if they had to pay even marginally larger taxes, they couldn't afford food, and they would starve. Happy?

No they are not paying taxes because of Bush's Tax Cut!

Because if they had to pay even marginally larger taxes, they couldn't afford food, and they would starve. Happy?
knowing him it would make him happy, ignore the republican troll please

Why is it that Kerry never tells how he is going to do anything? He just says, "I have a plan."

Because he thinks that people will go to his website to look at his so called plans.

Didn't kerry use that line about not talking about family values when you don't value families before? It sounds familiar. Good soundbite.

He was waiting to whip out that sound bite, "I'm tired of politicians that talk about family values that don't value families...."


Some people in his campaign are high fiving...

no child left behind does NOT lead to jobs.

No they are not paying taxes because of Bush's Tax Cut!

Same bloody difference. You're missing the point. The rich aren't paying anywhere near as much taxes as they should, because of Bush's Tax Cut.

This is something I've never understood. Why haven't we implemented a simple flat-tax scheme? Why all the loopholes and credits and such, when we could just set it to some figure (10% of gross income, perhaps?) and be done with it?


Because:
a) That would tax the poor MORE than they are now taxed, to get the same amount out.
b) Tax credits and whatnot are intended to encourage specific kinds of behaviours that are good for the economy/country/community. Things like having children, donating to charities, saving for your retirement. The big problem is that we're not specific enough - business expenses for example is too broad a term, but one that should be in there (allowing you to not pay taxes on 'income' that essentially goes back to the business, meaning you essentially never got the income in the first place).

It's a complex system, but it's better than a flat tax for a capitalist economy (flat works fine in socialist economies, where the government has better ways to stimulate portions of the economy and whatnot, but not in a relatively capitalist economy like ours). We need to fix the enforcement mechanism, and close some of the major loopholes that nobody seems to want to close -- democrat OR republican.

ok you tell me what hurts some one more


earning 50,000 and paying 5,000

OR

earning 300,000 and paying 30,000


Well I suppose the question now is how much someone making $50,000/yr. is paying in taxes under the current plan. If it's under $5,000, point conceded.

we have stopped the practice of shuffling students through school by shuffling them BETWEEN schools, WOO HOO

Reading is a civil right?

Same bloody difference. You're missing the point. The rich aren't paying anywhere near as much taxes as they should, because of Bush's Tax Cut.

Whatever! Your Canadian so I know where your coming from.

How does education related to minimum wage?

And to the guys talking about the taxes, take it to another thread! A few responses would be fine, but that debate's for another thread.

Do the Dredd Scott thing again....ah rats.

Kerry, he did answer the question. He stated that he would not have a litmus test and that he'll appoint judges to uphold the Constitution

Oh great, now we're back to the question if abortion is murder....

lol... note to moderator... don't introduce a new question like that

Oh great, now we're back to the question if abortion is murder....

Bush answered it right! No Litmus test on judges! He'll appoint those that will uphold the Constitution.

Kerry, he did answer the question. He stated that he would not have a litmus test and that he'll appoint judges to uphold the Constitution
The question wasn't about the supreme court, it was about abortion.