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seriously...us hijacking a help thread is bad enough.

Don't spam it...and now that I think about it...don't spam anywhere...anytime...ever...

Ive only just got my country started and whats this I here about wars and the like. How do I protect myself against this I dont even know how many soldiers or what equipment I have. How do I find this out? How do I ally with people and what happens to me if I am invaded will my country just dissapear or what?

And how do I invade my brothers country who has just joined and make sure that I kick his ass?

Cheers

Ive only just got my country started and whats this I here about wars and the like. How do I protect myself against this I dont even know how many soldiers or what equipment I have. How do I find this out? How do I ally with people and what happens to me if I am invaded will my country just dissapear or what?

And how do I invade my brothers country who has just joined and make sure that I kick his ass?

Cheers

A general intro: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1884253#1884253 (see page 12 for most of your questions)

Am I missing somthing or what?
I am totaly new to this and I realy don't know what I am duing cause I have only ansered to some issues and named my lands animal and then I go in to this forum and see people that buys weapons has to make bugetsand I just thort what should i do to get to do the same things??
I think I am missing somthing.
STGN
I'd recommend reading the FAQ first, followed by any threads that are linked on the first page of this thread. If those threads (and the posts through the rest of this thread) do not answer your specific questions then you should feel free to ask follow-up questions here.

As far as the boards, everyone on the NationStates (NS) and International Incidents(II) fora is participating in what is known as "Free-form Roleplaying" (FFRP). FFRP is a text- (and sometimes image-) based form of simulating events and actions.

On NS, your nation is able to interact with other nations and groups via the forum, regional board, or by Telegrams (AKA TMs, TGs). You have the opportunity to participate in the forum as much or as little as you would like. You don't have to RP at all and can just hang out in the "General" forum for diverse (albeit sometimes repetative) debates on real life (RL) issues if you are just interested in that.

Roleplaying events, or "RPs," range from the silly and joking to diplomatic events to parties to club scenes (that mostly in the General forum) to tales of national intrigue and international war.

Nations can develop, produce, and sell items of any sort imaginable and can even be supercorporations with enslaved or dedicated populaces.

About weapons and such, a pretty good piece of advice is presented (also on pg. 12):

How can u tell what militery weapons your country can produce
By being creative. You have to decide what tech level your nation is starting with. There are...purists who would insist everyone has to use some vaguely defined starting tech level, but I've never heard a compelling argument for it. As far as I'm concerned, as long as you're a good role-player and can find people willing to play with you and what you claim, you can ignore the whiners.

What do you think would be appropriate weapons and equipment for your nation to build? Bear in mind you're not gong to start with the biggest production line, and the more complex the weapon the fewer you can produce at once. Tanks, jets, helicopters, ships, guns, bombs, etc. There's a wide range to choose from, and you're not going to have the best of everything. You have to decide where your nation's strengths and weaknesses lie.

There's a lot of good advice on the forums, and a lot of that good advice can be safely ignored, including my own. So long as you remember to balance yourself and not expect to build the Uber Army off the bat, you should do fine.

Page 10 is generally useful after the post linked here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1516836#1516836


If you're wondering about any specific terminology on NS, check Sirocco's Glossary: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74603

As for all (of the absolute basics) you need to know for war, Santa Barbara has you covered in another guide: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79665&highlight=


If you have any more questions then just fire away!

nothing like getting self promotion into a new helping post :roll:

New to NationStates? View these Great Threads!

:? :roll: :D :twisted:

You'll find yourself an expert soon!

Post all of your questions here!

Comments
This section is full of comments by new people like you!
The Rogue Pirate Fleet's Comment
OOC: I read this thread and it really helped me. Now, even though I'm a day old, people compliment me for not godmodding.

Altamira's Comment
<OOC>
Hello all, this seems as good as any place to place my first post. I am a long time role-player, but new to NS. I read most of the threads listed in here before I stumbled upon this thread. I found some of the information there very helpful. If I were new to RP, I would have found all of it helpful.

I've read many of the threads on the first few pages of the forums involving some of the established nations. Seeing how everyting happens on the world stage and the different reactons by other nations has left me undecided...
Should I build up my nation IG before actively RP on the forums? More specifically (sp?), if I RP my nation's growth from the onset, am I going to be immediately targeted by the larger nations and have no feasible way to withhold such an assault? I know I should join an alliance/region, but I'm still gathering information on which particular one shares our interests and beliefs.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
</OOC>

The Listings
Now go ahead and read those threads.

Role Playing FAQ (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2133)
This was the first thread of its kind and it is done by Wisdom and Progression. All n00bs should read this.

FYI: What Godmodding Is (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9942)
This topic warns all players about godmodding. It is the NationStates Forum Version.

Economy Listings (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29122)
A realistic guide to find out how much money your nation has based on your economy.

Why High % Armies are Quite Unrealistic (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13017)
This is the last thing you should read in the list, but it is still a must read as you learn why you can't conscript 30% of your nation.

Military Archives (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10954)
This thread may help you as you get to post your military status and see others' military status. If you post anything that is godmodding, people will point it out.

Role Playing Etiquette (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31892)
This thread teaches you role playing etiquette

Some thoughts on running a playable war (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34252)
You should read this thread before you even think about going to war.

What Logistics Is (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52356)
An excellent read. Addresses logistical issues in maintaining an army and how to roleplay war beyond just sending monstrous quantities of troops into the fray.

FYI: War, Diplomacy, Nuclear Weapons, and Economy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55640)
A very comprehensive thread with some great pointers on many topics. The section on nuclear weaponry is a must-read.

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The Table of Militarism (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82094)
A table of information of the GDPs and military budgets for real-life countries. A useful standard for measuring your nation's roleplayed military budget against. The raw data use in this table was taken from the Real World Factbook published by the United States Central Intelligence Agency.
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Why storefront sales don't equal huge budgets (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80256)
An eye-opening read on why the sale of weapons and vehicles via oft-seen "storefront threads" cannot justify having a larger GDP.

Oh yes! Because everyone is stupid when they start ( :roll: ), and everyone needs help. Of course... Not.
Yesh.
OOC: I read this thread and it really helped me. Now, even though I'm a day old, people compliment me for not godmodding.

Uh. If this person is a day old, they havn't had much chances to give other people enough evidance that this is so...
Good on them if they have gotten compliments, but one day old is very young...

I'm sorry, but this stickied post offended me... assuming my skills as a RPer, dispite not knowing what I may have done before joining this website.

I'm sorry, but this stickied post offended me... assuming my skills as a RPer, dispite not knowing what I may have done before joining this website.

I'm severely sorry that you feel the need to rant against a service that is only meant to assist people who haven't already become experienced in RP-based games.

I take it that you mean "As it assumes a lack of RPing skills on my part--even when the writers cannot possibly know what I may have done before joining this website." That is all very nice, but, quite frankly, this may well have never been meant for you. In fact, none of NS may be meant for you if you take offense at people's offering of advice and guidance to new players who've found NS and lack the history of RPing experience (although you have done just this in previous posts).

Personally, I'd never really participated in any large RP-based games before I joined NS and it was by the advice of experienced RPers on NS that I was able to gain some understanding about how this world works.

Each of the linked threads bears a great deal of information that can benefit experienced, as well as newbie, RPers. Many of the posting topics in the "Logistics" thread, for instance, are not part of other RP-based games and focus on topics with which advanced RPers are often still unfamiliar. A lot of the information on those threads is actually just general reference information; by locating such links on this thread we are making life simpler in reference to researching issues.

I will try to now respond more specifically to your...remarks.

Oh yes! Because everyone is stupid when they start <snip> , and everyone needs help. Of course... Not.

I never claimed that anyone was stupid. People can be inexperienced or can be interested in gaining some education on new topics without being stupid. Quite frankly, a lot of people do need help when they first get here (your comments elsewhere show an awareness of this, oddly enough) and this thread has made it a) simpler for us to provide good information to a large audience, and b) easier for them to reference the information.

I've never found that education is anything more than "discovering the extent of our own ignorance," although I can't say that that has ever meant an assumption of general stupidity. Perhaps your opinion on this matter differs.

Uh. If this person is a day old, they havn't had much chances to give other people enough evidance that this is so...
Good on them if they have gotten compliments, but one day old is very young...

Try reading some of the other comments in this thread where others say the same thing. Some of them are more than a day old.

As it is, it was remarkable at the time that that player posted that comment for a newbie player to RP well and resist the widely-spread godmoding. I think that if you feel an effect after one day then there is little to say against the advice when it can both make a difference in the player's approach to RPing and, within a very small gap in time, allow that player to see the effects of that change.

As far as any additional commentary on your part, it would be greatly appreciated if you could avoid posting in this thread unless you have a question or a supportive comment for new players.

I'm so sorry that you felt insulted by a guide that was not meant for you.

EDIT: As an additional note, your previous posting history completely counteracts your commentary here. It makes your response to this thread even more of a mystery to me.

WA is quite right. While I was by no means new to RPing...it took me a few days to get the hang of NS RPing.

The time for different players to actually "get the hang" of it can be completely different. Me for example, who haven't touched anything that involves roleplaying before, got what the concept of NS RP within a few days. But still, it took me a month and a half to actually get the hang of it. I've also seen other "newbies" here who got the hang of it within just a few days. And they didn't have too much RPing experience.

By all, it varies among different people's writing skills, general roleplaying skills, etc. A 1 day old newbie being able to RP well is no suprise.

As said, no one is stupid when they start. But many need help, as WA said, and guidance, since they are completely new to the concept of NationStates roleplaying. But it typically gets a lot of easier for people who RPed before, or just have the capability to "learn it!" fast.

Overall, Corynder, I don't really see your puprose of... sharing your feeling here about how this thread "assumes that you don't have RPing experience". Frankly, not trying to be rude, but f you don't enjoy this service and the people actually volunteer and spend their time to teach you, leave.

--Omz222's Player

I just want everyone to know that I am back!

Awesome. Welcome back, mano.

Did we ever have a thread with all known Alliances?
I formed a new one Defender of the Faith (DoTF), but need to know about the others like CACE, NATO, GDODAD, etc.

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How do you get a higher population at a faster rate? Or does it just increase daily?

How do you get a higher population at a faster rate? Or does it just increase daily?

It just increases every day, as measured in RL Units.

How do you get a higher population at a faster rate? Or does it just increase daily?
It's tied in with your issues. The more issues you address, the faster your population grows.

How do you get a higher population at a faster rate? Or does it just increase daily?
It's tied in with your issues. The more issues you address, the faster your population grows.

Not anymore.

This has been an OOC post.

What is the highest ranking/title for political freedoms?

What is the highest ranking/title for political freedoms?

Link from page 11 of this thread:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47301

Did we ever have a thread with all known Alliances?
I formed a new one Defender of the Faith (DoTF), but need to know about the others like CACE, NATO, GDODAD, etc.

I used to have a list of all nations, regions, and orginizations that was even stickied, but it was too much upkeep.

Someone sticky this thread and unsticky the others.

Exactly. That way, we won't have a huge amount of stickies at the top, just a compressed sticky.
ALSO: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31892

Nik,
Leader Of The Free Land Of The Damned People
http://welcomehome.0catch.com/TDP.htm

:? translate "sticky" for a non-webhead...pretty please... :D

:? translate "sticky" for a non-webhead...pretty please... :D
You are posting in a stickey right now.

A sticky is a thread that stays at the top of a forum. Usually, new posts in any thread move that thread to the top of a forum and push all the other threads down. A sticky never gets pushed down the list.

could someone give me the address to check my budget & economy?

could someone give me the address to check my budget & economy?

The best way is to create a reasonable estimate and ask others for your budget. The GDP calculator is for liberals, as it takes Civil rights into account.

Thank you. I just started my nation and have found what this says extremely helpful..although I didn't understand all the abbreviations I hope that I can make a successful country. :D

could someone give me the address to check my budget & economy?

The best way is to create a reasonable estimate and ask others for your budget. The GDP calculator is for liberals, as it takes Civil rights into account.

No. I'm a conservative in real life and a centrist in NationStates, but I still use that calculator - it gives my nation trillions of dollars and that's good enough for me.

mmmmm

yeah

Hello,
iam new here.............any advices on HOW to play this game?
by the way my countries name is "Al-Eman" :)

same for me. im new but so far this is really awesome.

Can anyone tell me what is Civil Rights? because iam Diplomatic basically BUT my Civil Rights apperar to be 'BELOW' average :cry:

how can u go to war in nation states?!

how can u go to war in nation states?!

There are at least four topics, at the beginning of this very thread, that describe how to initiate, roleplay, and calculate the effects of warfare in Nation States.

I have only been here for one day, and have found them to be very informative. Here is a :arrow: link (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29774) back to that page.

how can u go to war in nation states?!

There are at least four topics, at the beginning of this very thread, that describe how to initiate, roleplay, and calculate the effects of warfare in Nation States.

I have only been here for one day, and have found them to be very informative. Here is a :arrow: link (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29774) back to that page.

You're good considering that your new to this game.

as soon as I got into the forum I wanted to accuse someone of selling unloaded fake nukes... I guess that I´ll have to read the massive amount of rules first :P

.::The New NationStates Super Thread::. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101878)

OOC: Wow, this is a very helpful topic! I'm very glad that I have this kind of intro to NationStates. Considering that I joined approximately 30 minutes ago...Needless to say that I was quite overwhelmed by the complexity of this world. However, I am still hesitant to delve into NationStates. Do you know of any way I might find a mentor nation or some such person who would guide me through the complexities of this world?

OOC: Wow, this is a very helpful topic! I'm very glad that I have this kind of intro to NationStates. Considering that I joined approximately 30 minutes ago...Needless to say that I was quite overwhelmed by the complexity of this world. However, I am still hesitant to delve into NationStates. Do you know of any way I might find a mentor nation or some such person who would guide me through the complexities of this world?

Telegram The Nation Trainer (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=the%20nation%20trainer) because he might be able to help you.

You can ask questions here or in the following thread:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97652

OOC: Wow, this is a very helpful topic! I'm very glad that I have this kind of intro to NationStates. Considering that I joined approximately 30 minutes ago...Needless to say that I was quite overwhelmed by the complexity of this world. However, I am still hesitant to delve into NationStates. Do you know of any way I might find a mentor nation or some such person who would guide me through the complexities of this world?

Telegram The Nation Trainer (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=the%20nation%20trainer) because he might be able to help you.

You can ask questions here or in the following thread:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97652

I'll do that. Thanks!!

Just a question- how do you increase your population? And do you have an assigned budget?

Just a question- how do you increase your population?

It automatically increases every day.

And do you have an assigned budget?

Your budget is decided by the daily issues you answer.

im going on vacation mode.. will my population still increase? :?:

im going on vacation mode.. will my population still increase? :?:

Yes (as far as I know).

How do you initiate a war with another country...? :twisted:

How do you initiate a war with another country...? :twisted:

*sigh*

Roleplaying. Read the threads.

*confused* :?: :?:

*confused* :?: :?:

How does THunder Knights declare war on another nation? Please send me a telegram.

You RP it.

Hi.

First, thanks to Nanakaland for providing such useful resources, and others for answering questions. Second, I've found a LOT of resources on how to RP on the forum, but I'm more interested on the effects of playing the game itself. I apologize if these questions have been asked and answered thousands of times, but I didn't see them.

a) Am I correct in thinking that we have no direct control over our income tax rate? That it's instead set by our decisions?

b) Is there ever a political or social revolt within your country? I've noticed several countries in which civil rights and political freedoms were outlawed. Are there no negative drawbacks to doing this?

c) Does population grow exponentially, or a fixed amount per day? What affects the growth?

d) Other than RP, does my economy do anything? I've seen several charts describing how much money "Good" or "Frightening" is, but I think these are there just for the RPers. Right?

That, and a thousand or so more stupid ones that I'll keep to myself.

Mathlandia

Hi.

First, thanks to Nanakaland for providing such useful resources, and others for answering questions. Second, I've found a LOT of resources on how to RP on the forum, but I'm more interested on the effects of playing the game itself. I apologize if these questions have been asked and answered thousands of times, but I didn't see them.

a) Am I correct in thinking that we have no direct control over our income tax rate? That it's instead set by our decisions?

b) Is there ever a political or social revolt within your country? I've noticed several countries in which civil rights and political freedoms were outlawed. Are there no negative drawbacks to doing this?

c) Does population grow exponentially, or a fixed amount per day? What affects the growth?

d) Other than RP, does my economy do anything? I've seen several charts describing how much money "Good" or "Frightening" is, but I think these are there just for the RPers. Right?

That, and a thousand or so more stupid ones that I'll keep to myself.

Mathlandia

a-yes.
b-no drawbacks
c-exponentially. First you grow at 3 mil daily, then 5 mil daily, then 7 mil once you get past 120m.

do you offer help to newbies? :?:

can you help me get out of this dictatorship into a democracy it is sendin me nuts,partly because i did not mean to be evil:tantrum:

please can you tell me how to RP another nation :?:

Read the stickies.

do you offer help to newbies? :?:

Yes. See The Nation Trainer (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=the_nation_trainer).

The Nation Trainer is ranked 102,417th in the world for Smartest Citizens.

*snickers*

The Nation Trainer is ranked 102,417th in the world for Smartest Citizens.

*snickers*

The Nation Trainer is simply a puppet nation of mine which I use to teach other nations.

hey,

first off those threads were very informative, didnt tell me anything i didnt already know but expanded upon the current information. One question tho, and im greatly sorry if this has already been asked, is on the subject of economy... now at the moment my economy is written as strong in my info page, i assume my decisions on certain issues could change that but how would decisions in rping actually change that on screen rather than just in my head?

hey,

first off those threads were very informative, didnt tell me anything i didnt already know but expanded upon the current information. One question tho, and im greatly sorry if this has already been asked, is on the subject of economy... now at the moment my economy is written as strong in my info page, i assume my decisions on certain issues could change that but how would decisions in rping actually change that on screen rather than just in my head?

Now at the moment my economy is written as strong in my info page, I assume my decisions on certain issues could change that,

You assume correctly.

but how would decisions in RPing actually change that on screen rather than just in my head?

Nothing will happen to your information screen if it is just through RPing.

I'm not considering myself an experienced nation seen as how I've only been a valid nation for not even a day. But why does everyone want to make wars between each other. What ever happened to other important issues in the world, like labor laws, human rights, education, epidemics, etc. Why should the nations fight all the time? I went on this noob post to find answers to my questions and found only things based on war. I sat and read several pages of an invasion of Lower Egypt invading Upper Egypt. Saw the deployment of several units (vehicular and infantry). All of a sudden it turned out to be an all out brawl. I stopped reading after the 4th page because I knew these countries involved were going to lose a tremendous amount of their population to a war. I'm just curious.

Prime Executive Lien Namrettul

I'm not considering myself an experienced nation seen as how I've only been a valid nation for not even a day. But why does everyone want to make wars between each other.

Not that many people make war. If experienced nations make war, then it usually is a good one and is about a once a month event. All other wars are by newbies who would be better off playing Red Alert 2.

What ever happened to other important issues in the world, like labor laws, human rights, education, epidemics, etc.

Other issues are occasionally brought up.

Why should the nations fight all the time?

War is part of international issues. However, I agree that war is too glorified in this game. I myself haven't been in a war since December.

I went on this noob post to find answers to my questions and found only things based on war.

That is because so many people mess up RPing war and some only RP war. Different help threads are aimed at different people.

I sat and read several pages of an invasion of Lower Egypt invading Upper Egypt. Saw the deployment of several units (vehicular and infantry). All of a sudden it turned out to be an all out brawl. I stopped reading after the 4th page because I knew these countries involved were going to lose a tremendous amount of their population to a war.

About half of all wars that are either involving a lot of nations or involving poor RPers end up in a brawl.

Greatly appreciated for the explanation Tanakaland. :D

Greatly appreciated for the explanation Tanakaland. :D

Dude, the name is Nanakaland, not Tanakaland. Just to let you know. Hey Nanaka, how is it going? Need any of my help?

It's called a mistype, mistakes happen. Live with it.