NationStates Jolt Archive

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{A negative vote from Angelus does not constitute a rejection from the totality}
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Automata Omicron Blu
Speaker of the Dominion

Membership: Triumvirate of Yut, Ur Trade Pact, Zion Pact, SEACTO, DeusExHumanaConsortium

DIPLOMATIC RESPONSE
Is it nessecary to have a colony on the Ring to join?
No. It is traditional, but not required.

While we are not traditionalists we recognize their value. If an agreement is signed I can assure the counsel that a percentage of the Republic will wish to immigrate to the Ring, and I would assume the reverse may happen as well. We would also establish a perminant station/colony for our defense allotment and their families.

What is the typical negotiated defense alotment?
There is no typical defense allotment. Almost the entire military production of Scolopendra goes to the Triumvirate; very little comes from The SLAGLands because they are not a heavily militarized state. It is negotiated until consensus is reached.

This is good to hear. Part of our duties on Mars require us to project the image of Mars in the system. Much of that is done through SDF activities such as S&R and anti-pirate patrols. We believe an appropriate allotment would be in the range of 10 rotating SBG's (60 ships). This would allow us to maintain our Martian duties while contributing to the common defense.

Would it be best to have a sponsor among the Triumvirate before coming to the Council?
Yes, but that is unecessary. We are willing to sponsor you if you wish.

Your kindness is most appreciated, as are the kind words of Mr. Biddlebaum. We wish to formalize our application as soon as possible.

Regards,
President Eric Thorgardson, Sunset

Understood. While your disapproval still causes us concern, we shall not press the matter any further.

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Sir Roger Smith (aka The Negotiator)
Minister of Foreign Affairs

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{I personally find Sunset quite suitable for Triumvirate membership. They}
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{Take THAT, all you people who still think I'm a schill for the Mainframe.}
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Automata Alshai Kommetrez
Supreme Emperor of the Federated Segments of Scolopendra
Scolopendran Delegate, Council of Yut

The Dominion wishes to make known its stance on the following:

Abu Dabi & Sketch: Neutral. We do not at this time have enough information to base a logical decision on, and thus must withdraw.

Sunset: A vote for inclusion. What we have heard thus far has been good. In addition, you seem to have the respect of your neighbors which speaks well of you.

Should the vote go through, we would welcome your inclusion in the alliance.

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--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

ooc: What DLN, ignoring me?

Derieties respectfully requests an update on his membership bids status. Anything we can do to speed up this process, including, but not limited to, reception of diplomatic envoys and having people recomending me.

The Federation of Ben Land seeks a friendship treaty or, at the least, a non-agression pact.


Obsidian, Mouth of Ben Land

On the following nations being included in the Triumvirate of Yut, Khenala votes accordingly:

Abu Dhabi: Abstain

Sketch: Vote FOR Friendship Treaty

Sunset: Vote FOR Inclusion

Lord Squall: Vote AGAINST Inclusion

We are still in debate about all other membership requests. Like Angelus, we will discuss our reasons only with our fellow Triumvirate members.

Theseus Prime
Secretary of Foreign Affairs
Empire of Khenala

Also, in regards to an alliance with NATO, Khenala shall vote AGAINST an alliance unless specific language is included to mandate that automatic military assistance is not a requirement of the alliance should one side be attacked.

Khenala strongly feels that the decision on Triumvirate military action should be decided by the Triumvirate alone, and that we should not tie our hands by signing a military treaty with NATO.

NATO does not wish to have their hands tied in such a situation either. I believe the alliance of alliances would have to be something along the lines of Free trade, friendship, etc, etc...... although individual members, or even the entire alliance, would be free to aid in military confrantations.
In the event that such a alliace or treaty is passed, NATO would quite probably give triumverate nations special status if they wished to join our alliance, although in no way, shape, or form, does this mean the triumverate should feel ay pressure to do the same.


~High Emperor Ka'an of the IDD
Military head of the NATO alliance
Member of CAF
Member of the UTP
Executive Director of UTP Financial
Co-Founder of UTP Financial

ooc: What DLN, ignoring me?

Derieties respectfully requests an update on his membership bids status. Anything we can do to speed up this process, including, but not limited to, reception of diplomatic envoys and having people recomending me.

I had thought you'd been answered. If not, I beg pardon.

For Derieties, a firm vote of no.
For Ben Land, a firm vote of no.

We would need to be much more impressed than we are with their actions, words, and approaches before we would be convinced otherwise.

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--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

I must express my deep, deep concern for the application of Ben Land. I don't think I need to state for the whole of the Triumvirate of Yut the events that took place in SLAGTown some two years ago. Thus, I'm afraid I must give an emphatic no to any application regarding Ben Land for full Trium membership.

On the other hand, I have long awaited some sort of non-aggression pact with this nation. I believe a cease-fire would do much to alleviate the concerns of a large percentage of The SLAGLandic population, and as such, I fully endorse this ideal.

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Marlena Vera Cantrell
Prime Minister
The Tourist Trapdom of The SLAGLands

The Federal Republic asks to establish... provisional relations with the Trium. of Yut.

--President Felix Avinn, Head of State


(ooc: what the heck does that mean anyway)

Excerpts from a meeting of John-117, Minister of the Military Directorate, and Johnathan Currey, Minister of the International Relations Directorate:

John hands Currey a document, hard copy. "Here's my provisional statement to the Trium on the recent flood of membership requests and such."

Currey nods, and says, "Let's see if this one is any better than the last time we had you do an International Statement." Currey grins, and begins to read.

He looks up sharply. "What the hell is this?"

John shrugs his shoulders. "What do you mean?"

Currey reads, "Far from encouraging acceptance of the Lord Squall Free Republic into the Triumvirate of Yut, we encourage the Triumvirate to completely wipe out the psychotic sub-humans that have proclaimed themselves to be a functional nation." He glares at John. "That's not funny, John. I'm trying to teach you diplomacy, and make the world a better place."

John shrugs his shoulders again. "You make the world better your way, I'll do it mine. And I already know diplomacy."

Currey glares some more. "Do you now?" he asks sarcastically.

"Yep," replies John. He misquotes, "War is a continuation of diplomacy by non-diplomatic means." He grins.

Currey points to the door. John takes the hit. Currey rips the paper up.

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On the matter of recent applications to the Triumvirate of Yut, whether for friendship treaties or membership, the Federation will now cast its votes.

On the Alliance with NATO: Nay.

On the non-aggression pact with Ben Land: Yay.

On the provisional relations with Konania: Yay.
On the provisional relations with ADK: Yay.

On the friendship treaty with Sketch: Yay.
On the friendship treaty with Ben Land: Nay.

On the membership of Sunset: Yay.
On the membership of Lord Squall: Nay.
On the membership of Ben Land: Nay.
On the membership of Derieties: Nay.

Our reasons are our own, but if fellow Triumvirate members wish to know, they may enquire.

http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/currey.gif Johnathan Currey, Minister, International Relations Directorate
The Federation of Sentient Peoples (http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/)
Federation Roleplay Policy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55186)

[OOC: I hope I didn't miss anyone. :? ]

As a representative of the Chromestar Alliance, I am here to offer a friendship treaty between us and Yut. CA is similar to Yut in many ways, and ties have already been established with Berserker. Now we wish to formally extend our hand to Yut.

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Our votes on the issues are as follows:

Membership of Sunset: Yea
Membership of Derieties: Nay
Membership of Lord Squall: Nay, with extream opposition
Membership of Ben Land: Nay
Friendship treaty with Ben Land: Abstain
Friendship treaty with Sketch: Yea
Non-aggression pact with Ben Land: Yea
Provisional relations with ADK: Yea
Provisional relations with Konania: Yea

On the Alliance with NATO: At this time, Cetaganda is not yet ready to make a stand on this. We have resevations regarding military support, and on their apparent defence of the actions in Bloodreign.

Count Theodore Alton
First Speaker, State Directorate
Cetagandan Empire

OOC: Okay, a couple of updates are heading your way, and we just want you to know.
The real life "first among equals " have decided that the application process has become rather helter skelter. So to help alleviate this, and guard against people joining for nefarious reasons, we're gonna lay down an application process. (possibly appearing in a different thread, so be on the lookout)

Those of you who got in under the old process, don't worry, you don't need to reapply or anything.

However, the newest applicants may be going through the process.
Don't worry, we believe it will be more efficient, and might even help your applications.

We'll keep you posted.
~Bers, Scolo, Karma


God, I feel so, so, diplomatic. 8)

New application procedures can be found here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1188081#1188081

Any Nation not currently listed in the first post of this topic will need to go through this new process.

OOC: The new thread is for ToY membership, not friendship treaties non-aggression pacts, yes?

We would like to ask Berserker to be our sponsor for our membership to the Triumvirate of Yut. We orignally asked for membership, yet if this is not possible, provisional relations will be fine.

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--Beta, Information Minister of NCADK/KSE

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Sirs and Madames of the Triumvirate of Yut,

The goals and tenets of your fine organization are indeed admirable ones; however, while examing the minute details of your charter I and my peer Saingan found ourselves mired in something of a philosophical quagmire.


AMENDMENT ONE: RIGHTS OF SENTIENCE

SECTION I: DEFINITION OF SENTIENCE[/b]
Sentience is defined as having all the capabilities of: Usage of language to communicate complex abstract ideas, the ability to come to conclusions given insufficient data (leaps of intuition), and the ability to form original ideas (creativity). Sentience is independent of the form it takes, be it the various forms of organic or electronic life.


While your defence of sentient beings is no doubt for the good, we wonder how it applies to the unique intracacies of the Mallbertan culture. While Mallberta is populated largely by humans, they are not the homo sapiens sapiens but a largely unintelligent manufactured subrace, homo sapiens servus. This subrace demonstrates many of the characterestics described above, but depend on MALLNET, our bionetwork, for drive and instruction. Since these humans have been created largely without sentience we wonder if this violates your precepts?


SECTION II: RIGHTS OF SENTIENT BEINGS WITHIN THE TRIUMVIRATE OF YUT
1. All sentient beings are entitled to compensation for work. Slavery in all forms is hereby banned in the Triumvirate of Yut.


This statement also concerns us. Mallberta has long since been an entirely collectivist society, with no private property or enterprise. There is no need for pay, as my peers and I, as leaders of the masses, provide for every need. Surely this does not constitute slavery? Does your fine organization plan to ban all communal governments?


2. All sentient beings are entitled to fair and equal consideration by the governments and total societies of the Triumvirate of Yut, including all branches at all levels of government, federal and local.
All sentient beings are entitled to free peaceful movement and communication inside and between member states of the Triumvirate of Yut.


This final point also is troublesome. Clearly the Homo Sapiens Servus, being no more than a tool for all intents and purposes, cannot be allowed to simply wander off. And even if they could, they have long since been adapted to Mallbertan atmosphere; to leave would bring only insanity and death. On the other hand, were other Triumvirate citizens to enter within our arcologies, they too would find themselves in peril; peril of being bound to MALLNET as firmly as any other.

We hope you can shed some light on this rather foggy matter.

Yours cordially,

Damodread the Inductor
High Commandante
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Menelmacar on the issues:

On the Alliance with NATO: Lau.

On the non-aggression pact with Ben Land: Tancavë.

On the provisional relations with Konania: Tancavë.
On the provisional relations with ADK: Tancavë.

On the friendship treaty with Sketch: Tancavë.
On the friendship treaty with Ben Land: Lau.

On the membership of Sunset: Tancavë.
On the membership of Lord Squall: Hehtanë.
On the membership of Ben Land: Lau.
On the membership of Derieties: Hehtanë.

(I voted in Quenya, yay. :D
Tancavë - so be it... basically a formalized 'YES'.
Hehtanë - the present tense of 'to abandon', in this context meaning 'ABSTAIN'
Lau - 'NO')

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/sirithil/sirithilnosfeanor.gifLady Sirithil nos Fëanor
Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
High Queen and Lady Protector of Elvenkind
"We can't go around supporting the Goodness of All Things. We might be mistaken for Menelmacar."
~Education Minister Lobon, Kn-Yan
Clicky-clicky! We Love The Iraqi Information Minister (www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com)

While your defence of sentient beings is no doubt for the good, we wonder how it applies to the unique intracacies of the Mallbertan culture. While Mallberta is populated largely by humans, they are not the homo sapiens sapiens but a largely unintelligent manufactured subrace, homo sapiens servus. This subrace demonstrates many of the characterestics described above, but depend on MALLNET, our bionetwork, for drive and instruction. Since these humans have been created largely without sentience we wonder if this violates your precepts?
I've talked to S.H.O.D.A.N. about her human cloning and our inspectors show that the clones have no more than a rudimentary central nervous system... just a brain stem and spinal cord, really. If we can allow that, then I suppose yours is but a step up. The human body is but a shell, and the mind is all that is truly important.

We'd have to run tests to ensure that homo sapiens servus is nonsentient, but there is probably no conflict. The fact that we find such a thing personally distasteful is irrelevant.


SECTION II: RIGHTS OF SENTIENT BEINGS WITHIN THE TRIUMVIRATE OF YUT
1. All sentient beings are entitled to compensation for work. Slavery in all forms is hereby banned in the Triumvirate of Yut.


This statement also concerns us. Mallberta has long since been an entirely collectivist society, with no private property or enterprise. There is no need for pay, as my peers and I, as leaders of the masses, provide for every need. Surely this does not constitute slavery? Does your fine organization plan to ban all communal governments?
Ahh, but you do take care of the masses, providing every need? Communal governments do such things. If the masses are unoppressed, then what is the complaint? The workers are compensated with more than bare subsistence. Again, Zero-One is a precedent. Query: Are the workers allowed to change jobs willfully?


2. All sentient beings are entitled to fair and equal consideration by the governments and total societies of the Triumvirate of Yut, including all branches at all levels of government, federal and local.
All sentient beings are entitled to free peaceful movement and communication inside and between member states of the Triumvirate of Yut.


This final point also is troublesome. Clearly the Homo Sapiens Servus, being no more than a tool for all intents and purposes, cannot be allowed to simply wander off. And even if they could, they have long since been adapted to Mallbertan atmosphere; to leave would bring only insanity and death. On the other hand, were other Triumvirate citizens to enter within our arcologies, they too would find themselves in peril; peril of being bound to MALLNET as firmly as any other.
Ahh, you got us there.

--Some Diplomatic Officer

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Some Official Diplomatic Officer,

Your timely and detailed response pleases us to no ends. We are, of course, more than happy to provide the further details you requsted.

While the nervous system of the homo sapiens servus is indeed far more developed that a simple brain stem and spinal cord, they are also far from sentience. We would be happy to donate any number of specimens for analysis.

In terms of your query involving the right of workers to change their 'jobs' at will, we must point out that they effectively have no 'will'.

Providing these responses meet your standards, we will begin a formal application procedure. We look forward to growing close to you and your people.

Demodrea the Inductor
High Commandante

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Ladies, Gentlemen, and varied AI of the Triumvirate Council:

It is my sincere pleasure to request your consideration of the Empire of Sakkra for Triumvirate Membership. The Khenalian Empire has had a long and beneficial alliance with the Sakkrans. Sakkra is the Empire's largest non-Triumvirate trading partner, and is our largest source of military and industrial material outside of Triumvirate members.

Sakkra's diplomatic record is impeccable, and we fully offer our support on their quest for Triumvirate membership.

On the question of acceptance of membership in the Triumvirate of Yut, Khenala fully votes "YEA" to accept.

Regards,

Prime Minister Andrew Seal
Empire of Khenala
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<< Our contact with the Sakkrans has been beneficial, but I wish to ask what your research on their past has shown, as per the new application rules.
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S.H.O.D.A.N. v3.0 : MCP, Q01
Cetagandan Duchess of Marilac

We will not support a Mallbertan bid for membership.

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Certainly.

Our research has shown that while Sakkra is relatively new in the stages of space exploration, they selflessly offered to assist other nations in reaching the stars, as a gesture of goodwill. Actions such as these set the example when it comes to international diplomacy and tact.

They are also dedicated to the cause of world peace and order. Merely one example of this is the Sakkran offering of mediation in hopes of setting a peace treaty between the EODS and the nation of Steel Butterfly in order to prevent a tragic war.

Sakkra is also a signatory to SEACTO, a peaceful organization dedicated to the exploration of space and peaceful contact with alien nations.

We have not discovered any instances where Sakkra has had unfavorable contact or experiences with any nations in the Triumvirate.

These are but a few of the examples we have found through our research to lead us to sponsor Sakkra. Should more information be requested, it is readily available. I can also answer specific questions if need be.

Regards,

Prime Minister Andrew Seal
Empire of Khenala

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<< The Queendom of Zero-One votes on the issue of Sakkran membership in the historic language of mechanoids.

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<< We look forward to welcoming the Sakkrans to the Triumvirate.
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S.H.O.D.A.N. v3.0 : MCP, Q01
Cetagandan Duchess of Marilac

(OOC: Votes for / against: 2 / 0)

Menelmacar votes an enthusiastic "Tancavë!" in favor of Sakkran membership in the Triumvirate of Yut. Our response to the Mallbertan application is a firm "Lau.", though as with the People's Anthill, we would like to learn more about them.

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Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
High Queen and Lady Protector of Elvenkind
"We can't go around supporting the Goodness of All Things. We might be mistaken for Menelmacar."
~Education Minister Lobon, Kn-Yan
Clicky-clicky! We Love The Iraqi Information Minister (www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com)

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It is with heavy hearts that we see how cruel fate has denied us entry; surely it is fate? Clearly such wise and mighty nations would not shut us out by reason of some ancient, outdated morality?

Mallberta is a peaceful nation; while we are ready to defend ourselves, our military history consists of a single 1200 troop outing. We are clearly not hungry for war; indeed peace has always been our objective.

We feel that perhaps the only reason we have been so cruely rejected is a sense among certain factions that our sense of morality, our very society, is somehow wrong. This is the worst kind of centrism, and should not be tolerated within the hallowed halls of some of the greatest minds and hearts of our time.

However, we doubt we will change the minds of those who are so clearly set against us, even if the reason be arbitrary and foolish.

Damodrea The Inductor
High Commandante

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To those that oppose me,

I can only hope you are cast alone and early into the deeps pits of the recyling tubes, your flesh scoured amonst acids until none would no you; and if they did, they would strike you down with disgust and righteous fury! May a thousand thousand rats devour your people!

Athmodean The Striker
High Commandante
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Well, see, the way you do things does worry many. Morality is hardly an 'outdated' concept, as I shudder what the nations of the world would stoop to without it. If you wish to show your goodwill towards other nations, you are certainly welcome to do so through action. Build a track record of good faith, and the more unsavory aspects of your society will be more easily overlooked in your favor. However, perhaps the good High Commandante Athmodean would be best informed that leveling threats is a decidedly not-good place to start. Neither, for that matter, is supporting Melkor.

Good luck in your efforts to prove yourselves to the world.

~Siri

Yut-flavored bump.

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Status of Vote on Sakkran Inclusion

VOTES FOR
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Khenala
Zero-One
Menelmacar
Cetaganda
Angelus
Dread Lady Nathicana
The SLAGLands
Reploid Productions
The Territory Co-Prosperity Sphere
Eniqcir


VOTES ABSTAINING
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VOTES AGAINST
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Number of votes needed to pass: 9
Number of votes remaining to pass: -1

VOTE IS PASSED
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Status of Vote on Mallbertan Inclusion

VOTES FOR
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The SLAGLands

VOTES ABSTAINING
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VOTES AGAINST
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Angelus
Menelmacar
Khenala
Dread Lady Nathicana
Reploid Productions
Cetaganda


Number of votes needed to pass: 9
Number of votes remaining to pass: 10

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Status of Vote on the Inclusion of Sunset

VOTES FOR
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The SLAGLands
Scolopendra
Dread Lady Nathicana
Khenala
Sentient Peoples
Cetaganda
Menelmacar
Eniqcir




VOTES ABSTAINING
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Angelus


VOTES AGAINST
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Number of votes needed to pass: 9
Number of votes remaining to pass: 1

We vote against Mallberta

We vote for Sakkra

Khenala also votes AGAINST Mallbertan inclusion.

Aye to both Mallberta and Sakkra.

-Biddlebaum

Strong vote against Mallberta.
And a hearty YES for Sakkra.

--Nathicana

ALTIMIT Broadcaster
Encryption: Off
Broadcast type: Government/diplomatic
Return transmission band: Open
IDENT: Firefury Amahira - Reploid Productions

Vote against Mallberta
Vote in favor of Sakkra

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Strong vote against Mallberta.

-Gregor

OOC: Bump & Updated Vote Status

Ainvar rubbed his chin thoughtfully as he read through the dispatches being sent back and forth through the Triumvirate, carefully weighing the benefits and detriments that casting in with the Triumvirate would cause to his beloved Consortium and, of course, to his Emperor.

He turned in his chair and looked at the glittering jewels of stars against the velvet black of space, pondering deeply. The Consortium was strong and it's naval presence was the pride of the Consortium, easily rivaling the largest space borne navies and out stripping far more. The cost alone is production, let alone materials, manpower and personnel was staggering but if it was something Ainvar knew well, it was that you could never be too well armed and too prepared for war...whenever it chose to arise.

He had transferred his flag to the Emperor's Pride when she had arrived, all 600 million tons of her and as beautiful as a new spring bride. He was proud of her, with her triple reinforced prow like that of a sea-going vessel of Old Earth's for ramming through ships and enough armament to singlehandedly go toe to toe with several squadrons of superdreadnoughts.

But nonetheless, it all came down to cost...and losing a ship like the Emperor's Pride would cost the Consortium literally septillions of CaelCreds. He sighed heavily as he made his decision, turning to the small display and tapping the sequence that would broadcast his statement to all parties currently "discussing" the formation of the upcoming alliance.

"Denizens, the Deus Ex Humana Consortium, and the Caelistis Empire, will fully support Angelus in whatever endeavors it chooses to involve itself in. I speak with the authority of the Emepror, Himself. Neither I, nor the Emperor, are well acquainted with all of the participants of this alliance but we do recognize Angelus as one of our own. As such, we can only support Omicron and her efforts."

He tapped the communique to cease transmission and then leaned back, wishing fervently that there was some word on the Emperor's condition and prognosis...for he was built to win wars, not rule an Empire.

We will support the admission of the Deus Ex Humana Consortium into the Triumvirate.

They are the remnants of the old Caelistis Gens Empire, the birthplace of Angelus. Their record is clean as a whistle, and We can find no fault in them.

ooc: I will also vouch for my Mentor/Father's RP excellence. I have played with him for YEARS, and never has anything been remotely uncool.

Also, it was him that got me into NS in the first place.

*grin* The Daturnuua/Fraust RP was GREAT, wasn't it?

I see no reason not give CaelCorp a hearty "aye."

-Biddlebaum

We wished to make ourselves known.

We, along with Kaenei, are the major remnants of the ancient Caelistis Gens Empire.

Transmission to make ourselves known.

Citizen Caelistis
First Citizen, USSK
Kommandant, DEHC Military
Ex-member first class, WMNK

Having done what research I can on the matter, there in some cases being very little to research ... I can say I have no strong feelings against the inclusion.

My only concern is the lack of precidence for involvement with other Trium members outside of Angelus, and admittedly, Angelan anxiousness to sing on in the first place..

I offer myservices as a possible Sponsor. May myself, or one of my ministers perhaps take the time to get to know you better? It would be immensely helpful to know more about those who would involve themselves with us - informed intel being the best.

Please advise - also, any Trium members who dislike my taking the initiative here, please advise.


Now - to past matters.

Having gone over Sunset's records, I've found nothing, I think, that could have a negative effect on their prospects. As such, and as per Charter rules, I hereby present the Republic of Sunset once more for your voting.

As for us -
One vote in favor of accepting the Republic of Sunset.
On the issue of accepting Cael Corp, I also vote positively, but strongly hint that the Caelisties' mingle a bit.

Bottom Line:

Yes with but hopes towards getting to know them better.

OOC: Updated vote status and added status of Sunset inclusion.

Tancavë on the Caelistis Gens.

~Siri

*grin* The Daturnuua/Fraust RP was GREAT, wasn't it?

ooc: It was MOST excellent! A bit we should try again at sometime in the future.

Nathicana,

Your words are well received, and indeed, understood given that I would do exactly as you have if our positions were reveresed. CaelCorp will do its utmost to make itself known more socially than it has been.

Ainvar Caelistis
Royal General to House Caelistis
Director, CaelCorp Complex and acting steward of the Deus Ex Humana Consortium.

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ooc: Given my current 14 hour a day. 6 day a week work schedule...I will do my best.

Deus Ex Humana Consortium- Aye.
Mallberta- Nay for membership, Aye for friendship treaty/observation.
Sakkra - Aye
Sunset- Aye

In addition, we would like to present the nation of Ravenspire for a vote on possible membership. A background check is ongoing, but current data indicates that they would make a favorable addition to the Triumvirate.

The First Among Equals Council is happy to announce that after clearing the Trium Council, Sakkra has been approved for membership in the Triumvirate. Congratulations to them, and welcome to the Triumvirate. We would also like to note that the number needed to pass the council is nine, as Karmabaijan, Scolopendra and Berserker will not vote in that round.

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President-General Xeruyu VonKarma
The Armed Republic of Karmabaijan
Triumvirate of Yut First Among Equals Council
Titan

The First Among Equals Council is happy to announce that after clearing the Trium Council, Sakkra has been approved for membership in the Triumvirate. Congratulations to them, and welcome to the Triumvirate. We would also like to note that the number needed to pass the council is nine, as Karmabaijan, Scolopendra and Berserker will not vote in that round.

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President-General Xeruyu VonKarma
The Armed Republic of Karmabaijan
Triumvirate of Yut First Among Equals Council
Titan

Congratulations to Sakkra.

OOC: Sorry about that, I'll correct it.

This is a most auspicious occasion. The Sakkran Empire is proud to be included amongst your ranks, and especially thanks Prime Minister Seal and the Khenalan peoples for their endorsement.

With your permission. the Chief Engineer would like to begin construction of a modular colonization craft at the Orbital Shipyard, with which we may send our volunteers to the Titan Region and establish a presence there.


Advisor Bosska
Sakkran Diplomatic Offices

The Xaosis Corporation would like to apply formally for membership into the Triumvirate of Yut. We believe that as a large weapon suppliar to the nations of Titan, and others, we have much to offer toward the welfare and common defense of the Titanian nations and colonies. Our ties and alliances with the Menelmacari government encourages our corporation to develope closer ties to Titan, as the location of our Home Office.

While it is true that we are a corporation and not a government, we are able to fulfil all the roles and responsabilities per the Triumvirate charter. For example, our private security force is able to function as a small army for use in the event of attack.

It would be a grand and bold step to recognize a corpate entity as a Triumvirate member, and the Xaosis corporation would be dedicated to the betterment and progressive development of the Saturnian system.

OOC:
Xao, new application procedures can be found here.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59327&highlight=

The Xaosis corporation is pleased to announced that it has recieved the sponsorship of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar for membership within the Triumvirate of Yut.

-The office of Sehnden

In addition, we would like to present the nation of Ravenspire for a vote on possible membership. A background check is ongoing, but current data indicates that they would make a favorable addition to the Triumvirate.

As some time has passed without further comment, I would like to inquire on the Confederacy's behalf as to whether any additional information is requested by any members of the Council.

Alaric Morgannan
Chief Diplomat

The Empire wishes to inform the Triumvirate with regret that, if it becomes necessary, we will withdraw from the recent treaty between your organisation and our Empire - but only if said treaty makes your positions untenable in relation to the recent surgical strike against AMF.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

As some time has passed without further comment, I would like to inquire on the Confederacy's behalf as to whether any additional information is requested by any members of the Council.

Alaric Morgannan
Chief Diplomat
Our apologies. We await the results of the information-gathering mission. Doubtless it will prove your acceptability.

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International Relations Section
Federated Segments of Scolopendra

After reviewing Ravenspires history back to the Primordial Era known as "December", we have come to the conclusion that Ravenspire is either more than qualified to join the Triumvirate, or else very good at hiding evidence. We have found no indications of tampering, however, and therefore we are inclined to believe that Ravenspire would, in fact, make a very positive addition to the Triumvirate.

Could you please be more specific? With examples, perhaps.

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Intelligence Section
Federated Segments of Scolopendra

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Well... yeah, that'd be nice. But don't be offended by Garbo--paranoia is his job.

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/scolopendra/jon_hertzfeldt.gifPseudoEmperor Jon Hertzfeldt
Scolopendran Delegate, Council of Yut
Triumvirate of Yut

Could you please be more specific? With examples, perhaps.

***

Well... yeah, that'd be nice. But don't be offended by Garbo--paranoia is his job.


A more specific request would be easier to satisfy, but we'll try to do our best.

Non-bad points:
They have a fairly clean civil rights record, and are strong supporters of sentients' rights.
We have found no evidence of Ravenspire commiting an unprovoked offensive military attack.
No instances of genocide or government-sponsored racial discrimination have been found.

Good points:
Ravenspire has favorable colonial policies, and a record of ensuring non-encroachment on other nations claims, as well as freely sharing their own lands.
Ravenspire has a history of assisting others in need, through technological and military assistance, but also more humanitarian efforts, as evidenced by the recent 'Project Ark', their actions concerning refugees from Talkos, their stance during the Conference of Vampiric Nations and the World Summit on Human/EI Peace, and other earlier events.
Their technological level is also on-par with the Triumvirate, although that is probably a non-issue.

If further information is required, please ask.

We vote to accept Ravenspire into the Triumvirate.

The Shogunate of Reploid Productions lodges its vote in favor of accepting Ravenspire into the Triumvirate.

~Queen Firefury Amahira
~Shogunate of Reploid Productions

FRIENDLY UPDATE
Status of Vote on the Inclusion of Sunset

VOTES FOR
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The SLAGLands
Dread Lady Nathicana
Khenala
Sentient Peoples
Cetaganda
Menelmacar
Eniqcir
Freod
Sakkra


VOTES ABSTAINING
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Angelus
Reploid Productions

VOTES AGAINST
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Number of votes needed to pass: 9
Number of votes remaining to pass: 0

Status of Vote on the Inclusion of Ravenspire

VOTES FOR
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Angelus
Reploid Productions
Khenala
Sakkra
Sentient Peoples
Cetaganda
The Territory

VOTES ABSTAINING
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VOTES AGAINST
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Number of votes needed to pass: 9
Number of votes remaining to pass: 2

[edit: Updated to Territory's post]

In checking the status of the Republic of Sunset's application I have noticed that it has nearly reached the next step - formal presentation to the Council of Equals. I wish to thank everyone who has taken the time to shepard it along so far. Hopefully we will soon be approved and can begin making our contribution to the Triumvirate.

President Thorgardson, Sunset

Our apologies for delaying in this matter, but the Shogunate chooses to abstain on the matter of Sunset's membership, as we are unfamiliar with the nation ourselves.

~Queen Firefury Amahira
~Shogunate of Reploid Productions

At first, our vote was going to be to ABSTAIN, as we are reluctant to trust outside nations with as quickly and easily that Sketch was able to disregard our Friendship Treaty and attack the WorldDisc, and Triumvirate space.

But our own Intelligence records, in combination with what has been gathered by the nation of Eniqcir has convinced us that Ravenspire is indeed trustworthy.

For that reason, Khenala votes FOR inclusion of Ravenspire into the Triumvirate of Yut.

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Prime Minister Andrew Seal
Empire of Khenala

Though we do not know Sunset, we have no reason to oppose them. Normally we would abstain from said vote, but as we feel that such an action may well prevent this potentially worthy ally from consideration by my lords.

I will vote in support of Sunset so as not to block nomination.

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Eadwacer, Mearclanda þeoden

The Empire of Sakkra places its vote in favor for both Sunset and Ravenspire, having done a background and history check.
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Emperor Gorrm completes the communique to the Triumvirate and turns in his chair, to face the view over-looking the Black Swamp. The mist that is ever-present at tree-top level seems especially thick today, and several flocks of geese are skimming the top.

Our first vote since joining the Triumvirate of Yut. I think i'll pay a visit to Titan, when the Orbital Station's experiments are complete.

The Federation of Sentient Peoples votes FOR the inclusion of Ravenspire among the nations of the Tirumvirate.

They seem likely to be a strong ally.

http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/chief.gif John 117, Minister, Military Directorate
The Federation of Sentient Peoples (http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/)
Federation Roleplay Policy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55186)

***********

"Damn it, John. Did you really have to add the last part?"

"Yes, 'Nathan, I really did."

The Foreign Minister shakes his head. D'ron chuclkles. "It's alright, 'Nathan. That is after all why we joined the Tirumvirate."

Currey nods his head. "I know. I know. I just don't like to think about it."

On the Behalf of the Peoples Democratic Republic of the Peoples Anthill:

Knowing that the Triumvirate of Yut is still open for application...

Accepting that there are numerous other ideologies in its ranks...

Acknowledging that the Triumvirate of Yut is a powerful alliance with many of the world's mightiest signatories...

Respecting the fact that the Triumvirate of Yut could provide immense technological boons fortuitous towards the collective health of the citizens of the Peoples Democratic Republic of the Peoples Anthill

I, the LEADER, and the Ambassador-Speaker Cell Deliah, do so humbly request to join the Triumvirate of Yut.

Status of Vote on the Inclusion of Sunset

VOTES FOR
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The SLAGLands
Dread Lady Nathicana
Khenala
Sentient Peoples
Cetaganda
Menelmacar
Eniqcir
Freod
Sakkra

Sunset is now under consideration by the First Among Equals. The Federated Segments of Scolopendra APPROVES of Sunset's acceptance.

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/scolopendra/jon_hertzfeldt.gifPseudoEmperor Jon Hertzfeldt
Scolopendran Delegate, Council of Yut
Triumvirate of Yut

On the Behalf of the Peoples Democratic Republic of the Peoples Anthill:

Knowing that the Triumvirate of Yut is still open for application...

Accepting that there are numerous other ideologies in its ranks...

Acknowledging that the Triumvirate of Yut is a powerful alliance with many of the world's mightiest signatories...

Respecting the fact that the Triumvirate of Yut could provide immense technological boons fortuitous towards the collective health of the citizens of the Peoples Democratic Republic of the Peoples Anthill

I, the LEADER, and the Ambassador-Speaker Cell Deliah, do so humbly request to join the Triumvirate of Yut.

While the Shogunate will currently decline from sponsoring The People's Anthill in their bid for Triumvirate membership, I feel that this does open an interesting debate on a subject that has yet to be addressed, that being the subject of hive-mind nations. Having read up slightly on the subject, I'm not certain how sentience applies to such groups, as the 'cells', or individual organisms do not appear to possess any actual sentience of their own, but instead contribute to the greater whole, much like a single intelligent entity. If we try to apply our own view of what is and is not sentience, I don't think we can co-exist with hive nations, whereas if we consider a hive nation as being a single sentience, perhaps a workable co-existance can be arranged.

~Queen Firefury Amahira
~Shogunate of Reploid Productions

Cetaganda votes in favor of accepting Ravenspire into the Triumvirate.

Lord Theodore Alton
First Speaker, State Directorate
Cetaganda Empire

Milantos is, of course, interested in joining the Triumvirate of Yut, but doubts it would find a sponsor.

We would like to ask Reploid Productions to be our sponsor for mebership.

OOC: Yeah... that took awhile o.o

The Shogunate will conduct a survey of Abu-Dhabi Khristatata's activities and report to the Triumvirate whether or not we will sponsor your bid for membership.

~Tsume Dragonis
~Secretary of Foreign Affairs and Governor of the Colony of Aquamarine
~Shogunate of Reploid Productions

[ rep: TPA isn't a hive-mind. it's a collectivist society, and a totalitarian one at that. it's fundamentals are forced labour. essentially what it tries to do is reduce all of society into an anthill or a beehive structure, and its people to mindless drones. there is no thought, no will, and no resistance. most planning is done by unsentient computers, where the true power rests in a single all-powerful godlike leader figure ]

We have decided not to sponsor the People's Anthill at this time.

Status of Vote on the Inclusion of Sunset

VOTES FOR
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The SLAGLands
Dread Lady Nathicana
Khenala
Sentient Peoples
Cetaganda
Menelmacar
Eniqcir
Freod
Sakkra

Sunset is now under consideration by the First Among Equals. The Jingoistic States of Berserker approves of Sunset's acceptance.

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President Elect Miaca'telcontar
The Principality Of Berserker

OOC: Going back to school. The First Among Equals won't be too active till Monday night.

((OOC: Well, in a way that's sorta like a hive, isn't it? =p))

The Democratic Republic of the Peoples Anthill has many useful aspects that would benefit the Triumvirate of Yut, including:

1) A stable and efficient form of society
2) A revolutionary economic system
3) An enthusiastic and well-trained work force
4) Massive productive capabilities
5) A large stockpile of natural mineral resources
6) A well-equipped and committed scientific research sector
7) One of the world's leading armies in revolutionary military strategy and tactics
8 ) A stable, dynamic and innovative form of government
9) A receptive diplomatic force
10) A willingness to look outwards, beyond borders and boundaries, to embrace all nations and cultures

These and many others, we offer the Triumvirate. Please consider us.

Deliah,
Ambassador-Speaker Cell

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In the matter of the honorable Ambassador Deliah and the People's Republic of Anthill as a whole,

It causes myself and my peers, particularly the always caustic Athmodean, no small concern that collective nations like my own and Deliah's seem to be excluded on the basis of our ideologies. Surely our own views of humanity, morals, and the natural order of things should be no impediment to the furtherment of galatic unity and peace? While I certainly can understand a level of hesitance, truly in saddens me that our very nature seems to trigger an immediate dismisal, without concrete reason or logic.

With growing misgivings,

Damodread the Inductor
High Commandante
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We would like to ask Reploid Productions to be our sponsor for mebership.

OOC: Yeah... that took awhile o.o

We would like to ask Reploid Productions to be our sponsor for mebership.

OOC: Yeah... that took awhile o.o

To molest the name of the Trium indeed. Lol!

We would like to ask Reploid Productions to be our sponsor for mebership.

OOC: Yeah... that took awhile o.o

To molest the name of the Trium indeed. Lol!

No, not really... It took me about 2 weeks to post that O.o

Dear Triumvirate:

In the light of the Mainframe of Angelus' flat refusal to sponsor us, we would like to raise a question regarding the fairness of admittance into the Triumvirate of Yut. Your charter does not brook the exclusion of ideologies - in fact you almost seem to welcome all ideologies, all cultures, and races in your manifesto. It reads:

The Triumvirate of Yut is a collection of sovereign states, true, but more importantly it is a collection of peoples. There sit, at the Council of Yut, representatives of peoples who would probably never worked together not as allies but as siblings if we were not here to give them something to strive for together. Organic and mechanoid; human, Noldorin, Nenyan, metahuman and posthuman; capitalists, socialists; democracies, constitutional monarchies, neofeudalistic states, netocracies and even despotisms; all working together towards the common good. Alone, our nations are powers in and of themselves, but together, the synergy of the exchange in ideas, cultures, technologies, and resources makes us truly great. Would we be looked up to if we were anything less? Would we be feared by such powerful adversaries if we were anything less? The existence of both is a sign that we are doing something very right

Is the exclusion of a collectivist society an idiosyncrasy on your part? In that case, why do you ceaselessly pontificate on the ideal of mutual comradeship, of internationality between races and ideologies, in this world of hatred and suffering? Is the Triumvirate of Yut some sort of elevated ecclessiatical order, too obdurate to see past its own sectarian views, and still preaching to the world of its single moral view?

Deliah,
Ambassador-Speaker Cell

Our decision to not sponsor the People's Anthill was not based off of Triumvirate exclusionary practices. Our decision was based off of the fact that We do not personally believe that the Anthill will be of sufficient "assistance" to the Triumvirate. Not only that, We fear that the People's Anthill ideology prevents their formal entry into the Triumvirate, even if they might have invaluable qualities that might (at some point) be usefull to the Triumvirate.

Furthermore, if Our "flat refusal" to accept The People's Anthill does indeed cause Us to reflect badly upon them, We would like to formally state that We cannot find it within Ourselves to care.

---
http://www.silentrequiem.net/littlexan.jpg (http://www.silentrequiem.net/angelus)

Automata-Designate X1
First-Of-Thirteen,
Dominion of Angelus

Quite frankly, your society is abhorent as far as Cetaganda is concerned. Our nation is based on the ability of an individual to choose his, her, or its own destiny, and that you try to remove the will of a person is anathema to us. We would not have much problem with a socialist or communist nation joining the Triumvirate, provided they met the sentient rights guidelines. Your attempt to enter, however, we will oppose with all our power.

Emperor Gregor Vetinari
Cetagandan Empire

Quite frankly, your society is abhorent as far as Cetaganda is concerned. Our nation is based on the ability of an individual to choose his, her, or its own destiny, and that you try to remove the will of a person is anathema to us. We would not have much problem with a socialist or communist nation joining the Triumvirate, provided they met the sentient rights guidelines. Your attempt to enter, however, we will oppose with all our power.

Emperor Gregor Vetinari
Cetagandan Empire

Observing the proceedings, the ambassador to the ToY (OOC: Time dilaiton alert!), James O'Brien, notes to himself:

Cetaganda psychotically opposed to even natural born hive minds

We would like to ask Reploid Productions to be our sponsor for mebership.

OOC: Yeah... that took awhile o.o

Following a precursory check by our intelligence agency, we feel it is not in the best interests of the Triumvirate to sponsor Abu-Dhabi Khristatata for membership into the Triumvirate of Yut.

~Tsume Dragonis
~Secretary of Foreign Affairs and Governor of the Colony of Aquamarine
~Shogunate of Reploid Productions

The Empire wishes to enquire as to the possibility of joint EOTED-TofY combat exercises in the near future.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

I look forward to the possibility of joint exercises with EOTED.

http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/chief.gif John 117, Minister, Military Directorate
The Federation of Sentient Peoples (http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/)
Federation Roleplay Policy (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55186)

{Public Diplomatic Transmission}
x Territory Co-Prosperity Sphere
o Triumvirate of Yut, Sunset, Ravenspire, Mallberta, The People's Anthill, Involved

The Territory Co-Prosperity Sphere APPROVES of Ravenspire's membership application.

Allow us to extend our welcome to Sunset. Our nations have had little contact - the vote amply shows that this is unfortunate.

We would very much see research into the societies of the nations of Mallberta and The People's Anthill, primarily from a sentient rights perspective.

We would see no need to oppose a hypothetical vote regarding XAOSIS.

[Edit: Public transmission, not private]

FRIENDLY REMINDER

Status of Vote on the Inclusion of Ravenspire

VOTES FOR
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Angelus
Reploid Productions
Khenala
Sakkra
Sentient Peoples
Cetaganda
The Territory
The SLAGLands
Dread Lady Nathicana

VOTES ABSTAINING
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VOTES AGAINST
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Number of votes needed to pass: 9
Number of votes remaining to pass: 0

[edit: Updated to Territory's post]

Let me again extend the thanks of the Republic to those who have helped us in our application. While a single vote remains - if I'm not mistaken - we have high hopes of acceptance. Let it be known however that even if our application does not succeed we look forward to furthering the many relationships this process has helped found.

President Thorgardson, Republic of Sunset

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome Sunset into the ranks of the Triumvirate of Yut. I believe that they will make an excellent addition to the Trium, and reinforce our position as leaders among the nations of the solar system.

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President-General Xeruyu VonKarma
Ordinance Enabled Karmic Hegemony of Karmabaijan
Triumvirate of Yut
Titan

Welcome to the nation of Sunset. We look forward to hearing great tales from your peoples.


OOC: Karmabaijan, did you get my TG?

On behalf of The SLAGLands, I am pleased to offer my vote of "aye" for Ravenspire membership.

Sakura
Acting Viceroy
The Free Community of SLAGLand Titan

(OOC: I'm back! WHOO!)

Sunset has been added as a signatory to the charter, making eighteen member nations total.

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/scolopendra/jon_hertzfeldt.gifPseudoEmperor Jon Hertzfeldt
Scolopendran Delegate, Council of Yut
Triumvirate of Yut

[Message from The Hive Collective of The Kali Corporation]

I, the Collective of The Kali Corporation wishes to join the Corporation to the Triumvirate of Yut. Though we are an earth-based Collective we would be more than happy to offer our earth-territories and resources to the Trium for membership.





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CEO Angel De’Coria #’s 1-10, Keeper of The Hive Collective
The Hive Collective of The Kali Corporation

(OOC: "I... wishes?" Perhaps you should thinks about verb tense before you goes onto the Internet and makes applications for organizations.)

The Tourist Trapdom of The SLAGLands votes "nay" for Kali Corporation membership due to this nation's recent interest in The Collectivist Alliance, which lists "genocide" as one of its tenets.

-Sakura

Now that we have been confirmed and added to the signatories the Republic wishes to make several announcements.

First Off:
Representing the Republic of Sunset on Titan will be the now-retired Admiral Richard Jameson. Given his wisdom, energy, and wide range of experience we feel he would be the best choice for the position. He will be bringing his whole family, and this is anticipated to be a life-long assignment. No one sentient in the Republic deserves it more.

Second:
With the permission of the involved we would like to construct or obtain facilities on Titan or the Ring for a Sunset Defense Fleet base. The base would be dedicated to maintaining a group of ten Sunset Battle Groups (50 ships) which will be our contribution to Titan security. While we realize Titan has more than enough ships to defend itself the opportunities for friendships and shared experiences make this more than worth the cost.

Third:
While no colony is required we feel that for the previously stated reasons of friendship and shared experience we would like to establish physical embassies and a small colony, hopefully around the SDF base. All of the signatories are invited and welcome to do the same in the Republic.

The Republic of Sunset

To Sunset - a pleased 'welcome aboard'. In addition, we have recieved your missive and are currently looking it over. Many thanks.

Having done some review, and with due respect to the more informed opinions of our fellow members, the Dominion wishes to put forward a vote in favor of the inclusion of Ravenspire.

On the matter of TPA & Mallberta ... we feel that though they have strengths, and possibly much to offer, that they simply do not blend well with the other ideologies and systems that make up the backbone and give an overall feel to the Triumvirate.

On the matter of Milantos we have only this to say - yes, I think you were right on at least one point. There will be no offer for sponsorship from us.

On the Kali Corp - at this time our vote would be no, for much the same reasoning as was offered by the SLAGLands representative, and a lack of knowledge of you at the moment. Thus far, I'm less than amused.

I believe we have spoken our opinion on ADK as well, but for the record shall reiterate: We do not feel it is in the best intrests of the Trium to pursue a closer relationship at this time. Further investigation may be pending. Should we be amiss in our initial read, we will of course rethink our stance.

http://home.mchsi.com/~ketri/wsb/links/julie.bmp
--Nathicana D'Aquisto dal Lupo, Dread Lady of the Dominion

The Federated Segments will ACCEPT Ravenspire's admission into the Triumvirate.

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/scolopendra/jon_hertzfeldt.gifPseudoEmperor Jon Hertzfeldt
Scolopendran Delegate, Council of Yut
Triumvirate of Yut

The Empire of Sakkra, Emperor Gorrm in particular, votes NAY to the Kali Corporation. We are deeply suspicious of their motives and that of the Collectivist Alliance. The Emperor suspects the Kali Corporation would act as a 'Foot in the Door', and open the way for an attempt to assimilate all our cultures.

As We notice that the Kali Corporation, Mallberta, Milantos, ADK, nor TPA have sponsors, We do not recognize their application to be valid.

Thus, We will not vote on their entry.

As for the Collectivist Alliance pishposh, We have yet to make a formalized stance in regards to it, though We plan to make one shortly. Needless to say, it will be less than accepting.

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Automata X1
First-of-Thirteen

We have decided to actually sponsor a nation, and have gone through a tremendous amount of research.

First things first, information on the sponsored nation:

The Commonwealth of The Vortex Corporation

History (http://invisionfree.com/forums/Sisgardian_HQs/index.php?showtopic=35)

Landmarks (http://invisionfree.com/forums/Sisgardian_HQs/index.php?showtopic=94)

Trade Center (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44475)

The Corporate Coalition, of which Vortex is Co-Founder of (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61168)

They were semi-active in the Melkor conflict, but not overly so. Their interactions are as follows:

1. Give Angelus 150 interceptors. But Angelus was ignored, including the fighters.

2. Offered dropships and medical supplies to the coalition. None of these were ever used. (To Our knowledge)

3. Escorted a Knootoss warfleet to Arda, but they turned around before a round was fired.

4. Had a space flotilla pop up at Orm Embar, but they withdrew before they had opened fire.

Other than that, their historical record includes a few minor conflict with n00b nations (WE HAVE NUKES! Vortex: No you don't, and now you do not have a nation), and a minor confrontation with Arani that has been resolved without a round fired. (Confirmed with Arani via Telegram)

ooc: As for his Roleplaying skills... I believe that they are not that bad, really. There is, of course, realm for improvement, but I believe we all require improvement at one time or another. 'cept for SHODAN, but that is neither here nor there....

Furthermore, VC was very helpfull in answering any questions I had concerning their policy towards their citizens, towards outside nations, and so on and so forth.

SO, in completion, the Angels will gladly sponsor VC membership into the Triumvirate.

OOC: I had an idea that to test and improve accepted nations into the Triumvirate, that we could have an acceptance dinner every month or two.

A short little RP, but something to give us and them an idea.

We would like to thank Angelus for the kind words in the post above. As for my roleplay skills, they need some improvement indeed. But we as a nation are always willing to learn.

To make our application to the ToY official, we are hereby posting this message. We would like to join the Triumvirate, and take up all the responsibilities that come with that membership. In our history, we have always supported our friends and allies when they were in need, and we hope to do the same for the Triumvirate of Yut in the future. We truly hope to be admitted into this elusive group, and await your response.

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The Vortex Corporation High Council

Imperial Alliance Trade Ambassador
AWN Head of Economic Affairs
Templar Alliance Member
SFN Member
WTE Member

Corporate Coalition (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61168) Founding Member
Hermes Facility (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44475) Administrator

INTERNAL FOOT-TO-ASS E-MAIL

TO: All my peeps
FR: That Razak hepcat
RE: Vortex Corporation military (used loosely) record

1. Give Angelus 150 interceptors. But Angelus was ignored, including the fighters.

2. Offered dropships and medical supplies to the coalition. None of these were ever used. (To Our knowledge)
They sure know how to deploy where the action isn't, eh? Seven deployments (to Maui, Costa Rica, Switzerland, Bermuda, and Hawaii) and no casualties! What a record!

3. Escorted a Knootoss warfleet to Arda, but they turned around before a round was fired.

4. Had a space flotilla pop up at Orm Embar, but they withdrew before they had opened fire.
And their military must have their to-the-rear column movement down like nothing else. Wait, with that much experience with "five gears in reverse," I betchya they do counter-columns. Turn tail with style.

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/scolopendra/julius_razak.gifAdvisor Julius M Razak
Foot-to-Ass (formerly Defense) Section
Federated Segments of Scolopendra

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(OOC: Excellent work on the report, Angelus. No insult to VC, but I just felt like being... silly.)

OOC: No problem, though I don't get the seven deployments thing.

Anyway this reminds me. All those retreats were made because of a telegram I received from Arani, stating that my active involvement in the Melkor conflict would result in hi invading me, together with Kalessin. So I turned tail, since the two of them combined are 6 times bigger then me. There was some rumbling, including a mobilisation from me and my regional allies, plus external friends when Arani dug a tunnel beneath my nation. Eventually the whole thing was blown of though and I think they are invading Milantos now.

Having surveyed the information provided by Angelus, the Shogunate votes in favor of The Vortex Corporation's inclusion to the Triumvirate.

(Though let the records show that RPRA Techcorp CEO Akkard Grey is mildly irked by the additional business competition.)

~Queen Firefury Amahira
~Shogunate of Reploid Productions

Having surveyed the information provided by Angelus, the Shogunate votes in favor of The Vortex Corporation's inclusion to the Triumvirate.

(Though let the records show that RPRA Techcorp CEO Akkard Grey is mildly irked by the additional business competition.)

~Queen Firefury Amahira
~Shogunate of Reploid Productions

RPRA can apply for CC membership any time it feels like doing so. Also, if I get admitted, how does that happen? Some formal RP with a jury asking questions? A gala? Or just a note with "you're in".

For those who professed interest in Mallbertan society and history:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1383301#1383301

As We notice that the Kali Corporation, Mallberta, Milantos, ADK, nor TPA have sponsors, We do not recognize their application to be valid.

Thus, We will not vote on their entry.

As for the Collectivist Alliance pishposh, We have yet to make a formalized stance in regards to it, though We plan to make one shortly. Needless to say, it will be less than accepting.

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Automata X1
First-of-Thirteen

[Message from The Hive Collective of The Kali Corporation]

May I, CEO Angel De'Coria, ask why your nation that is closer to perfection (meaning that your society of AI and Android technology) than any other that we have ever encountered before has refused to even consider endorsing The Kali Corporation, our intentions are peaceful... So as long yours are as well.




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CEO Angel De’Coria:
Series note. 00001:
Keeper of The Hive Collective
The Hive Collective of The Kali Corporation

May I, CEO Angel De'Coria, ask why your nation that is closer to perfection (meaning that your society of AI and Android technology) than any other that we have ever encountered before has refused to even consider endorsing The Kali Corporation, our intentions are peaceful... So as long yours are as well.

We do not believe that it matters how high in esteem the Kali Corporation holds Us. The matter still stands that they have not been sponsored, and thus their application is not valid.

It is not up to Us to decide the laws and rules that govern the Triumvirate of Yut, merely to abide by them.

As for sponsoring, We are currently sponsoring another Nation, and will not consider sponsoring another until the first nation's petition has been decided upon.

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Automata X1
First-of-Thirteen

As We notice that the Kali Corporation, Mallberta, Milantos, ADK, nor TPA have sponsors, We do not recognize their application to be valid.

Thus, We will not vote on their entry.

As for the Collectivist Alliance pishposh, We have yet to make a formalized stance in regards to it, though We plan to make one shortly. Needless to say, it will be less than accepting.

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Automata X1
First-of-Thirteen

Technically Mallberta never made an application; we merely asked whether our society fit within the bounds of the charter. This was taken by some third parties to constitute a formal bid for membership.

Also, we question your hostility towards collectivism as a whole. We have yet to threaten you or in any way deride your 'good' name. It strike me that your attitude is consitently belligerent, and unnessecarily so.

In the end, we could care less whether you 'accept' such an alliance; surely the Triumvirate would not have such arrogance as to interfere with an organization which so clearly does not concern them; especially after dismissing many of it's nations out of hand. If we cannot share the bonds of diplomacy with one such as you, surely we can ally with our fellow rejects?

Rarely have we been so shocked and disgruntled by such disrepect from an older nation,

Damodrea
Athmodean
Karrog
Sillik

High Commandantes

A note to Lady Nathicana:

As I recall, Milantos did not apply to join. It merely noted it would like to, but doubted it would get sponsorship.

Ambassador O'Brien

In which case I question why you have even bothered to voice your opinions. I never said that you had applied - I merely agreed with your assumption that you would not find a sponsor, at least, in us.

--Nathicana

Also, we question your hostility towards collectivism as a whole. We have yet to threaten you or in any way deride your 'good' name. It strike me that your attitude is consitently belligerent, and unnessecarily so.

In the end, we could care less whether you 'accept' such an alliance; surely the Triumvirate would not have such arrogance as to interfere with an organization which so clearly does not concern them; especially after dismissing many of it's nations out of hand. If we cannot share the bonds of diplomacy with one such as you, surely we can ally with our fellow rejects?


It is not collectivism that We disagree with, as We are a collective of a form Ourselves. Rather, it is the Collectivist Alliance that does not sit well with Us.

As stated beforehand, We have not formalized a stance upon the CA, but Our current understanding of the CA creates a high probability that the formal stance will not find the CA in a good light.

Concerning Mallbertan entry into the Triumvirate, note that We did not vote against it, nor do anything but state a fact that would hopefully clear up any idea that Mallberta, or the other listed nations, were eligable for membership.

Furthermore, We in no way speak for the Triumvirate as a whole. While We may be of the more outspoken section of the Triumvirate, We merely speak Our own opinions, and they in no way should be taken as a reflection of the temperment of the Triumvirate as a whole.

Lastly, We are arrogant, and that arrogance has long been established. We have never deigned to apologize for such a stance, nor do We intend to do so now. Frankly, We do not care if Mallberta is "shocked and disgruntled" about any percieved disrespect directed towards them. If insult was intended, then the leadership of Mallberta would definitely understand that they were insulted and object of Angelic ridicule.

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Automata X1
First-of-Thirteen

In which case I question why you have even bothered to voice your opinions. I never said that you had applied - I merely agreed with your assumption that you would not find a sponsor, at least, in us.

--Nathicana

Well, for that, at least, we can be thankful.

--Ambassador O'Brien

[Transmission from the CEO Angel De'Coria]
[From The Hive Collective of The Kali Corporation]
[Series note. 00001]

The Kali Corporation seeks a sponser in order to turn into the Triumvirate of Yut.



http://www.projectbag.com/cowboy_bebop/thumbnails/faye_n08_t.jpg
CEO Angel De’Coria:
Series note. 00001:
Keeper of The Hive Collective
Without love, no hate.
Without pleasure, no pain.
Without one, there can be no other.
The circut is one, and one is the hive.
I see all.
I am the CEO, and I am The Kali Corporation.
The Hive Collective of The Kali Corporation

On the subject of Inclusion for the Vortex Corporation, Khenala ABSTAINS.


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Status of Vote on The Vortex Corporation Inclusion

VOTES FOR
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Angelus
Reploid Productions
Eniqcir
Sakkra


VOTES ABSTAINING
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Khenala


VOTES AGAINST
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Number of votes needed to pass: 9
Number of votes remaining to pass: 5

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We have had no relations with the Vortex Corporation, formal or otherwise. We have no knowledge of their inclinations or tendencies. We have done a background check, and will come to a conclusion after more research. For now we will abstain, but will adjust as time permits. they seem to be safe and sane at this point.

We wish to quote the Kali Corporation from the "Cyborg Collective (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65267&start=40)" thread.

[Transmission from the CEO Angel De'Coria]
[The Hive Collective of The Kali Corporation]
[Series note. 00001]

The outlook and goals of The Kali Corporation are also unique in the reasoning of the creation of the Hive Collective and the current goals of the TKC which will be explained. The Kali Corporation has investigated for sometime a means in which to make the Workers of the Corporation in a state of total happiness due to the fact that they were growing more and more rebelious due to ever decreasing freedoms (before The Kali Corporation rose to power under the leadership of CEO Danisu Gorgon most of the lands owned by TKC were of a weak democractic nation called "KezuokaNeoMegau") after some internal investigations into the completed product (a simple chip implanted into the brain that would create a constant state of euphoria and total obedience to the Corporation) it was learned that if it was turned into an organic chip and enchanced it could be used to remove individuality from a person completely, which would render them comatose unless hooked up to an experimental Hive Mind (primative compared to the Organic Computer that the original CEO turned herself into and had no less than ten clones created to manage the ten sectors because not even her body was capable of handleing the total load alone). A total of three years were put into the project until a truly completed product was build. Now the Corporation seeks to sell the technology to all nations interested in creating such a society, they should feel free to modify it to their needs. The goals of The Kali Corporation are the following, 1. The creation of a perfect society that will forever create for the Corporation the best products at the highest rate of turn-over (or the highest level of productivity possible). 2. The expansion of the Kali Corporation and sell of it's products to all willing nations (and willing buyers in nations that are unwilling to deal with us) so that The Kali Corporation can turn a profit. 3. The genetic improvement of all workers (and the divsions of The Kali Corporation that deal with other things, example Scientist-Workers, Care-Workers (to care for the needs of the CEO and her clones, etc) so that productivity in The Kali Corporation will always be ahead of the competition.

More info. http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65243&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

What they speak of is slavery in its most dangerous form. The creation of slaves that have their knowledge of slavery and freedom removed. They create a slave that it not only obediant, but knows of nothing other than obediance to the Hive Mind.

Thus, We will state that if Kali Corporation does recieve a sponsor, We will enthusiastically vote NO on their application.

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Automata X1
First-of-Thirteen

Eniqcir votes FOR the Vortex Corporation.

{MALLNET-ASCETIC TUNNEL ARCOLOGY-PRIMARY NODE-ACTIVE}
{OPEN LINK ESTABLISHED}
{TEXT TRANSMISSION INITIATED}

Far be it from me to question the ineffable intelligence of Automata XI, but we must call into account this somewhat dubious typification of collective intelligence as 'slavery'.

There is a line that seperates man from beast, metaphorically speaking, and this line was nothing whatsoever to do with form or shape, nor with the simple chemical process of DNA. What makes a man a man? Surely it is not the possession of two hands, ten fingers, and so on. The measure of a man must be his own sentience. If a being cannot recognize it's own independence, for whatever reasons, it is not a true 'being', but instead a tool to be used like any other.

If a man believes he is a beast, is he truly anything but?

Sellik The Philosopher
High Commandante
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{TEXT TRANSMISSION TERMINATED}
{MALLNET-ASCETIC TUNNEL ARCOLOGY-PRIMARY NODE-PASSIVE}

I am sure our input will not be welcomed, but it will come nonetheless.

Many years ago, humans thought gorillas, orangutans, whales, dolphins; that these creatures were as mindless as an ant, or a frog. But research has proven (OOC: it has, in fact) that certain members of these species, at least, are as self-aware and emotional as any human. The gorilla who could lie, for instance; the gorilla who acted against instinct and used logic; the whale who protected the old herb members (something clear;ly against instinct; unless the older members have some knowledge to impart).

Also, remember, these slaves have been CREATED. They have never had the CHOICE. It is a cowardly way of enslaving a people; by making it that they never had a choice. The Kali Corp do not force their will on these slaves; they do not make it that the slaves cannot make the choice they want to. They make it that the slaves never had any other choice than slavery.

That is a great morass of words and fury, to be sure. But in essence...The Kali Corp has committed the greatest crime imaginable: it has made humans inhuman.

O'Brien

We have deliberated, and find in favor of the Vortex Corporation. We say 'Aye', to make it official. As for the Kali Corporation...

You know how we feel, as we have told you in the past. We continue to watch your peoples actions and words. They will weigh heavily on you.

Kindly discuss the differences between horses and gorillas elsewhere.

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Wololo
Minister of Thread Topic Maintenance
The Tourist Trapdom of The SLAGLands

Okay, that's nice. Please argue this elsewhere before we start weeding out what are exceptionally written posts.

--Hearty Aerospace Pirate Cap'n Scolo

Okay everyone, if you want to debate collectivism and suchlike, here's the place to do it (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1390470#1390470).

- Courtesy of your friendly neighbourhood Evil Anthill Guy

OOC: is anyone interested in sponsoring me?

OOC: Seeing as how you publically called Siri a "bitch" IC, and she happens to be a highly-respected member of the ToY, I would safely bet that the answer would be a firm "No."

OOC: Seeing as how you publically called Siri a "bitch" IC, and she happens to be a highly-respected member of the ToY, I would safely bet that the answer would be a firm "No."

OOC: What he said.

ooc: That's it ... there is too much junk that doesn't pertain to the Trium Charter, business, or membership (and I'm talking CONTENT here, not just context, and offer this post for removal upon the moving of others) I would like to officially request that the thread be cleaned up so we aren't forced to slog through pages of such things - perhaps move them to the proper thread where membership issues were to be posted? You remember that one? If not, you can find it HERE (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59327)

Since the date it was put up, I think all messages pertaining to membership applications, should be there, with the Trium end of things (discussion, vote tallies, updates, etc) being posted here. Anyone else think the same? Similar? Disagree entirely?

At any rate, there you have it - make what you will of it, and please, feel free to delete this post after having made a decision one way or the other, or ask me and I'll happily do it.

This seems to be a very interesting alliance. I would sign, but you would have to add a section about nations based outside of the Sol system. I'm well outside, being 857ly from Earth.

I suppose I could build a colony in Saturn Space and stick a Strike Fleet there to boost your defense of the area...

Or I could just become allies and stick the Strike Fleet there without the bother of a colony...

Eh... *tells 4th Strike Fleet that they may be reassigned*

Whatever you decide. If you want info on the Fleet, just ask.

Locked. New thread started because of all the junk in this one. Move along, nothing to see here.

-KtM