NationStates Jolt Archive

From here on out, post your OOC comments, remarks, and ORBATs in this thread.

As to sort out the confusion, let's find out whose on whose side and that sort of crap.

Stoklomolvi et all:
Stoklomolvi
Greston
Leistung
Holy Paradise
Myakoo
Miroxia
The United Workers Republic (The Northern Baltic)
Anagonia
Cukarica
Asgarnieu
Greal
Pan-Arab Barronia
Telros
Lynion
Royal British State
New Kereptica
Lord Sumguy
The Provincial Republic of The Grestonian Controlled Ryouese Islands
Ustio North
Denecaep
Eurasian Soclialist Republics
Hegemony
ODECON
COMINTERN

GWO et all:
The Grand World Order
Rykarian Territories
East Congaree
Fictions
Buddah C
Chazakain
Fighter4u
Kargucistan
Skibereen
Razafas
IFA

Theatres:
Oil Province of the Grand World Order (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577744): Stoklomolvi, GWO, Ralkovia
Stoklomolvi attacks the Grand World Order's Oil Province in Saudi Arabia and Oman
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.." (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577807): Greston, The Northern Baltic, Whiskeasy, Fictions
The Imperial Republic starts preemptive strikes on Fictions as Whiskeasy and The Northern Baltic coordinate an invasion
The Blood of Innocent Youth (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14341091#post14341091):Anagonia, Telros, Greston, Chazakain
Anagonia engages Chazakain in battle with large Telrosian help and Grestonian mop up

( My pirates will attack both sides. They have no links to my government.)

ANTIFA is involved in this war with their troops?

I've got AGMs for sale! And spaceplanes! And maritime patrol craft for the neutrals to defend against subs, mines, or commerce raiders! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577616)

[/Shameless self-promotion]

Well, Cuk, don't you think an alliance against the alliance we are fighting would help?

Well it would ofcoarse but as i saw on the official thread they didnt post anything...so im asking because of that..and im not counting Stokl because i understood he was acting as a member of Comintern not ANTIFA.

Yes but basically every one, with the exception of your, in the ANTIFA are in COMINTERN so ANTIFA is kinda assumed to be helping.

Truly, the war is only present because GWO attacked a member of the Comintern. Per the Comintern Charter, all member states must defend each other from attack.

So we sign up here or something?

Hmmm,in that case ill THINK about joining the cause....... =)

Put your ORBAT here, make an IC post in the IC thread and I can add you.

Greal, if you join in on our side I will not hesitate to shoot you when you're in the front. Join on their side and I will provide no quarter.

Unless, of course, Martin dies.

Count me on GWOs side if ANTIFA is involved then. I will have you an ORBAT of my which will be in this current conflict as quickly as I can.
And you will find I am not the rape victim GWO is.

ANTIFA is not involved yet. The Comintern should be, since the mutual defence pact has been activated.

And you will find I am not the rape victim GWO is.

lol

Not much Third Spanish States can do to ensure both sides lose in a casualties-ridden stalemate without tarnishing their reputation. If they could, I would likely join this conflict in not so open ways, but the necessary amount of forces for such achievement would dismiss any secrecy.

Stok, check ye TG's.

I'll be on standby if anyone launches nukes or gasses someone. If I get involved, it'll be a cluster**** in no time, so I'm hesitant! XD

****
double lol Missile spam :D

Nukes.

There should not be any because they are so often used unrealistically and liberally.

Feel free to disagree but be prepared for me to counter your view.

( I'm iffy on joining. If ODECON joins I probably will have to. Though I will do so with regrets.)

Yup so many times i saw ME LAUCH kazzillion N00ke$ Y00 Luz Naw...
Nukes would just destroy the essential tactics and strategy in the RP

Fictions TG.

I counter your view, Fictions. With one word: deterrence.

If my military is tiny, but I have a huge-ass active nuclear arsenal, you're not going to attack me, most likely. If you just ignore my nukes, then what do I do? Watch as you annex me? No!

exactly, besides people don't seem to appreciate just how big a deal sending nukes really is. And that is not even considering the psychological effect on both the nation that sent it and the survivors of the nation on the receiving end. Not to mention the lasting effects to the victim nation, such as the area being uninhabitable for (well, I cant remember the exact time frame) and radiation poisoning and all that shit... Want me to continue?

I would not ignore a valid attack if it were Role-played well. but I would RP it properly meaning my nation would be out as soon as I was nuked and I would probably set up a post-nuclear thread for dealing with the nuclear strike. I wold also brush up on the after effects of things like Hiroshima and Chernobyl to make sure it is realistic

I'll be on stok's side. IC post ASAP.

exactly, besides people don't seem to appreciate just how big a deal sending nukes really is. And that is not even considering the psychological effect on both the nation that sent it and the survivors of the nation on the receiving end. Not to mention the lasting effects to the victim nation, such as the area being uninhabitable for (well, I cant remember the exact time frame) and radiation poisoning and all that shit... Want me to continue?

Oh come now, everyone loves a nuclear testing ground. Everyones just afraid if they start a nuclear war, I'd join in and go liberal.

Besides one very important point: Fictions is NOT A NUCLEAR NATION

And I distinctly remember reading somewhere that it was bed etiquette to nuke a non-nuclear nation



Oh, and I replied to the TG

Radiation poisoning, uninhabitable land, and realism are all thrown out the window. Nearly a third of my land is uninhabitable due to radiation, and my people don't even care any more. I can just launch 20,000 nukes at you, you'll be a lake, and that's that. NS is far more brutal than RL.

Add me to Stok's side ill enter the war if the things start to go bad...but imm officialy neutral lulz :)

I'm afraid Our Role-play styles may be incompatible. I like realism in these respects, If someone is just going to glass me with no thought gone into it, I'm afraid I cannot continue. That pretty much sounds like god-modding to me.
I had hopes that this would be a good war thread but because of your attitude I'm starting to have doubts. I am trying to be reasonable, I am giving valid (or at least I think they are) arguments for my cause.
I want to participate in this, I want it to be fun for all participating. And simply launching as you put it 20,000 nukes is not what constitutes a good Role-play.
Despite the fact that a nation could probably not own that many nukes and not go bust, let alone to causally launch them all at a single nation.

I am sure that there are others who agree with me, but if there are not then something, somewhere went wrong.

I'm afraid Our Role-play styles may be incompatible.
RP styles of who?

yeah one of the rules should be no nukes. At least no strategic nukes. Tactical nukes like bunker busters or davy crockets(look it up) should be okay but on small scale use as per name tactical.

Apparently i missed something,who mentioned that he will use nukes?

One last thing I believe we should have a player cap. If everyone joins in turns into a clusterfuck and everybody rants about how pissed they are. Not to mention confusion will easily develop.

Radiation poisoning, uninhabitable land, and realism are all thrown out the window. Nearly a third of my land is uninhabitable due to radiation, and my people don't even care any more. I can just launch 20,000 nukes at you, you'll be a lake, and that's that. NS is far more brutal than RL.

This is what I was replying to

I'm sure no one will lob nukes unless one side does it first. Lord, people, have a nice role play already....

...and who DOESN'T have nukes on NS?

One last thing I believe we should have a player cap. If everyone joins in turns into a clusterfuck and everybody rants about how pissed they are. Not to mention confusion will easily develop.

Man up, Ralk. Like Stok said, NS is far more brutal than RL. Capping the participants just makes people even more angry.

As i said....2000 nukes=>Bad RP=>not fun.....
Also capping same=very bad
clusterfuck=even worse

I'm sure no one will lob nukes unless one side does it first. Lord, people, have a nice role play already....

...and who DOESN'T have nukes on NS?



I don't

yeah one of the rules should be no nukes. At least no strategic nukes. Tactical nukes like bunker busters or davy crockets(look it up) should be okay but on small scale use as per name tactical.

Davey Crockets are completely impractical. You could do more damage by having some infantry carrying suitcase nukes.

Topol-M ftw...but i never used 'em.

( Davy Crockets can be used quite well. In several RPs I have used them to bring down bridges quickly, destroy buildings quickly, and use them to destroy artillery positions with my special forces.

Impractical for general use but for certain circumstances they can be used.)

Davey Crockets are completely impractical. You could do more damage by having some infantry carrying suitcase nukes.

Yea. Davey Crockett's are more likely to kill your own forces than do any real damage...the yield is so small anyways. If you're gonna do it, nuclear artillery or just drop a B61...

If we're gonna cap, the we should get rid of all the 1st year n00bs...but we really shouldn't cap. Remember, the RP is open.

Fictions, I gave a hypothetical situation. I'm not actually going to nuke the crap out of your for no reason. GWO may become a different story, but I'm not going to just murder you.

Also, there will be no caps or limits on anything unless GWO just goes "baww n00ks are fail i dont like them," upon which we will limit nukes to tactical [0 kT - 1MT].

I don't

Ah, well, then don't worry. Stoky won't lob nukes, me thinks, unless someone on the other side lob's them at him first. So calm down already.

I am calm xD

For everyones reference, if ya question Stoky's technological capability, here's the official pact that permits Anagonian weaponry and technology to be shipped into Stoky for his use:

The New Soviet Empire Pact (http://hawk.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=Diplomacy&action=display&thread=43&page=2#358)

Oh, I have a question, maybe a silly one but what kind of terrain are people (so everyone can know what they may have to deal with) oh and do people have maps?

I have one.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/Earth%20A045/regionmap.png

I'm the gigantic red blob. Terrain is far colder than in reality.

Asgarnieu on WikiStates (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Asgarnieu)

Everything is there, provided you know how to navigate a wiki...

Map of the United Republic of Anagonia (Not including Stoklomolvi) (http://hawk.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=Diplomacy&action=display&thread=77&page=1#336)

Greston of WikiStates (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Greston)

All you could need for this RP is there, there is a brief section on geography and stuff. To help more:

Northern Greston (mainland): Generally flat, heavily populated, woodland near the coast, slight rolling hills

Southern Greston (mainland): Kind of mountainous and cold from the large mountain ranges in Leinstung (borders me to the south)

Northern Oikoidia: Coastal plains, warm, slight snow this time of year

Southern Oikoidia: Flat land and slight rolling hills, very open except near the coast where there are small mountain ranges

East Solenial: Almost completely covered with farmland or cities, flag on the outer part of the penninsula, mountains grow in size the closer it goes to the eastern border

Serstabele (colony): Small island archepilago with a climate and geography much like that of Japan, only smaller

Here is the regional map with me on it: http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7739/mediterranica2mo8.png

Fictions, check ye TGs.

Anybody with MSN please tell me it, mine is MichaelofGreston@hotmail.com.

Mine is:

Xres@hotmail.co.uk

If anyone is interested

Are you logged onto it?

Yes

Add me because you're not coming up.

I think it's been sorted hasn't it?

I would be interested in joining as a neutral nation (as I am small) diplomats, medical supplies and peacekeeping when all the shooting stops.

I on my Mom BF computer,so I won't be much of a poster but I heared GWO being invaded and such I in on his side. I copy and paste my ORBAT from some other thread and yes spellcheckers all the way people. :p

...and who DOESN'T have nukes on NS?

Chazakain and Chazaka along with the rest of my puppets don't. Infact we don't have any (traditional) WMDs at all. and for information look at last two posts in the linked factbook in my sig.(i'll put up a map soon)

If Fighter4u joins and starts intervening I'm just going to empty my nuclear arsenal on him. It's only slightly leaning towards the coalition side, and if Fighter4u joins the balance will just flop over.

If Fighter4u joins and starts intervening I'm just going to empty my nuclear arsenal on him. It's only slightly leaning towards the coalition side, and if Fighter4u joins the balance will just flop over.

And we sent every single one of our nukes towards you and such we have MAD. I couldn't give a crap if my nation deids,but I enjoy pressing that red button. Not to forget you have screwed your allies as they would now become nulear targets by the suriving IFA nations(like GWO, who you won't had hurted at alll :confused:).

So seriously man up and accept that GWO has more friends then you and deal with your odds. You, not GWO, delcared war.

And we sent every single one of our nukes towards you and such we have MAD. I couldn't give a crap if my nation deids,but I enjoy pressing that red button. Not to forget you have screwed your allies as they would now become nulear targets by the suriving IFA nations(like GWO, who you won't had hurted at alll :confused:).

So seriously man up and accept that GWO has more friends then you and deal with your odds. You, not GWO, delcared war.

I like you. I like how you assume things. Carry on.

Welcome back, F4U.

Actually, Stok has more friends, but a lot of them are being neutral right now. If he does enter, Stok, you can count me in. I don't mind helping out the balance, although I don't have any idea on what I'm doing >->

I like you. I like how you assume things. Carry on.

Welcome back F4U.

Thank you Anagonia. And New Kereptica its good to be back! :)


Actually, Stok has more friends, but a lot of them are being neutral right now. If he does enter, Stok, you can count me in. I don't mind helping out the balance, although I don't have any idea on what I'm doing >->

Perhaps, but they unlike us Fascists,have to have a good reason to go to war. And Stok the one who started this so I guess we now see which good guys RP their nations correctly and which ones just RP as the nice guys until their a war. ;)

Actually, Stok has more friends

He also has fewer enemies. Speaking of which, expect an IC post on the Part of the Hegemony within the hour.

He also has fewer enemies. Speaking of which, expect an IC post on the Part of the Hegemony within the hour.

Humbug! :mad:

If Fighter4u joins and starts intervening I'm just going to empty my nuclear arsenal on him. It's only slightly leaning towards the coalition side, and if Fighter4u joins the balance will just flop over.

'salright, I'mma get stuck in. As a fledgling democracy only recently removed from the grip of dictatorship my nation is willing to do it's part. Even if that means getting alongside commies and sticking it to the man.

'salright, I'mma get stuck in. As a fledgling democracy only recently removed from the grip of dictatorship my nation is willing to do it's part. Even if that means getting alongside commies and sticking it to the man.

So your going to join the power that just suggested that it will start nuking anyone else that joins the other side without warning? what kind of bull is that?

(checks, ah crap didn't switch over.)

So your going to join the power that just suggested that it will start nuking anyone else that joins the other side without warning? what kind of bull is that?

(checks, ah crap didn't switch over.)

No, I'mma join the power that isn't a complete and utter bastard ICly.

OOCly, no hard feelings at all towards any guys, but ICly my nation and Stok have been relatively amicable toward each other.

*reaches out to the world*

Join me, and forever be enlightened by the side which Anagonia Favors! Muhahahahhahaa!

Anyway, seriously, Anti-Fascist ftw...Sorry GWO.

Strategic nuking is part of strategy. Probably won't do it, but hey, I have the capability.

I'm starting to get annoyed by how everyone assumes that just because I declared war it means that I'm automatically the aggressor. I tend to not attack for no reason, since we Stoklomolvi are never aggressors! Then again, aggression is hard to define...

Then again, aggression is hard to define...

No it isn't. Three letters. Begins with "G", ends with "O". Fill in the blank. ;)

aggression
# a disposition to behave aggressively
# a feeling of hostility that arouses thoughts of attack
# violent action that is hostile and usually unprovoked
# the act of initiating hostilities
# deliberately unfriendly behavior
You did the bolded(and the rest to varying degrees), so in my book you are the aggressor.

Strategic nuking is part of strategy. Probably won't do it, but hey, I have the capability.

I'm starting to get annoyed by how everyone assumes that just because I declared war it means that I'm automatically the aggressor. I tend to not attack for no reason, since we Stoklomolvi are never aggressors! Then again, aggression is hard to define...

ICLY My nation policy is that blockades aren't a good reason to declare war on another nation unless your the one in question being blockade and thats your reason for delcaring war. Blockading a nation itself isn't actually IMO a act of war. Its ok to defend yourself, but attacking the homeland of a nation blockading a ally nation while claiming it for their self-defense is IMO kinda silly. The blockade is still their, I mean just because two naval fleets fire at each other doesn't mean their nations then and their become engaged in war.

aggression

You did the bolded(and the rest to varying degrees), so in my book you are the aggressor.

He acted in defense of a previous agreement. Therefore he is NOT the aggressor, merely judgment.

My logic surpasses yours. Bow before me!

aggression

You did the bolded(and the rest to varying degrees), so in my book you are the aggressor.

Erm....by the basics of a Mutual Defence Pact, which is an included package in Comintern membership signed by all nations when they join, Stoklomolvi will defend as necessary his allies - if that requires removing the source of the danger, that is still defending.

GWO attacked a signatory party of the MDP of Comintern membership - GWO is the aggressor. Stok is simply rolling with "the best defence is a good offence" thinking.

Erm....by the basics of a Mutual Defence Pact, which is an included package in Comintern membership signed by all nations when they join, Stoklomolvi will defend as necessary his allies - if that requires removing the source of the danger, that is still defending.

GWO attacked a signatory party of the MDP of Comintern membership - GWO is the aggressor. Stok is simply rolling with "the best defence is a good offence" thinking.

ah, well if he had mentioned that in his original op post instead of just saying I'm tired of GWO doing this so I declare war. Chazakain may have either remained neutral or even joined his side but he didn't and my nation had no knowledge of this so *shrug*
erh nvm just reread the op(probably got confused between his and Myakoo lovely informative op.)
though I agree attacking the homeland because of a blockade was pretty dumb

If Fighter4u joins and starts intervening I'm just going to empty my nuclear arsenal on him.
How is that "Strategic nuking"? that sounds to me like a general(and very noobie) threat against a nation and not very strategic at all.

How is that "Strategic nuking"? that sounds to me like a general(and very noobie) threat against a nation and not very strategic at all.

I think that's him basically saying "DO NOT WANT". Either that or he seriously feel's in danger. Anyway, let me remind you that many nations enjoy to pose a threat of nuclear war! It's fun, entertaining, and usually leads to a nuke cap.

Hmm, Im just wondering if we can get an NS nuke train going here. See if like half of the RPing community becomes nuclear wastelands.

Lulz, I already am one.

I was an "aggressor" in the Stoklo-Japanese conflict, but then, the Japanese [according to my history] invaded during the Great Patriotic War and seized some outposts before I bashed them back to the islands and occupied half of the islands. A cease-fire was signed, and I broke the cease-fire to finish them off.

Anagonia is somewhat right; I've seen F4u RP in the past, and I was not too pleased. Don't really want to interact with him, but hey, a war is a war, I guess. I don't know why I didn't like his RPing style.

Lulz, I already am one.

I was an "aggressor" in the Stoklo-Japanese conflict, but then, the Japanese [according to my history] invaded during the Great Patriotic War and seized some outposts before I bashed them back to the islands and occupied half of the islands. A cease-fire was signed, and I broke the cease-fire to finish them off.

Anagonia is somewhat right; I've seen F4u RP in the past, and I was not too pleased. Don't really want to interact with him, but hey, a war is a war, I guess. I don't know why I didn't like his RPing style.

Well, THATS intresting... <_<

But what didn't you like about my RPing?

Like I said, I'm not sure any more. :/

Probably had something to do with the fact that your name as the number 4 in it, which REALLY bugged me, the fact that you wanted to choose a person to invade for no reason, and something else. These are just vague recollections.

Like I said, I'm not sure any more. :/

Probably had something to do with the fact that your name as the number 4 in it, which REALLY bugged me, the fact that you wanted to choose a person to invade for no reason, and something else. These are just vague recollections.

I see. All good then! :D

Its been awhile since I was on NS. Last time I recall though, Stok was in a civil war and had millions of foreign troops in his country before he stopped posting. So did you recon it?

No it isn't. Three letters. Begins with "G", ends with "O". Fill in the blank. ;)

You forget that there are a few people who are easily confused. Would you be so kind as to tell them what it is?

*One of my ministers whispers something in my ear*

*Spins wheel of fortune*
For $800 can I guess a W?

Like I said, I'm not sure any more. :/
the fact that you wanted to choose a person to invade for no reason

Ah yes, I seem to remember that as well...:rolleyes:

TPF, the civil war ended with a liberal/communist peace. Eventually, there was a coup and the communists came back.

neutrality proclamation

*No military ships will be allowed to dock at ralkovian harbors for any aid what so ever. If a military ship is endager of sinking the ship will be repaired and kept until after the war
*No militias will be able to help any side
*Yemen is strictly a no weapons zone. Any attempt to land troops will be considered an invasion
*No supplies meant for the war will be allowed to pass through ralkovian ports
*Ralkovian vessels will under no circumstances be allowed to help a combatants military vessel unless it is in danger of sinking.
*Any ralkovian found joining a military (Excluding ralkovians with dual citizenship who are currently living in the other country and have already enlisted) of a combatants will lose all rights of a ralkovian and their citizenship.
*The crime of smuggling or quartering a soldier of a combatant nation will be punishable by death.(This does not include a family member who is on leave from a military in the region)

*The lands of ralkovia will not be seen as a refugee center for any soldiers. Any soldier found in the ralkovian colony of yemen will be arrested and removed from the colony. Any displaced citizens will also be arrested and be moved back to their origins unless they are at risk of being killed.(Such as if a GWO province was taken and they would be executed)

*Ralkovian airspace will also be a no fly zone for military airplanes unless at risk of crashing

To: Ralkovia
From: Myakoo
Subject: nuetral

Will Myakoon passenger airliners be allowed in Ralkovian airspace?

Passenger airliners will be allowed if they are not for transporting troops

What about families of troops

(Just making sure)

Ralk, there will be no way to tell if civilian airlines are carrying troops or not. They could fly over your territory on a legitimate path, and then paradrop the men into hostile territory or whatever.

Well they can paradrop over my territory. They can fly through my territory but I would find it suspicious if a huge fleet of jumbo cruisers starts flying over my airspace. But in my colony of yemen it is an absolute no fly zone. I will shoot down any aircraft flying over yemen if they belong to one of the combatant nations.

Hm, okay then.

TPF idly wonders what occurred to his troops there.

Ralk, what's with your colony of Yemen?

Stok says that TPF's troops were just plain booted out of the country by their rear ends.

The full might of the Free World Empire is behind the forces of the Grand World Order. The boar has awakened, and the Leftist Menace will feel the bite of its tusks.

Melodramatic introduction out of the way, I'll be joining in on the side of the Imperial Fascist Alliance. I may be bringing some of my allies in tow, we shall see.

(It borders GWOs oil producing colony. Plus it is center to some crazy shit, mostly experimental weapons bases. Lastly my nations leader lives there however he will be moved to a different place)

kargucagstan I sent you an msn chat invite

Assuming you were able to with millions of them.

At any rate, the RP died, so I'll just assume I pulled them out blah blah, blah blah.

TPF, my country could boot out your men if we wanted to, no doubt about it.

And, oh noez, Gholgoth awakens.

lol Stok.

oo, Gholgoth?

Yes, Stok, Gholgoth... I don't know what that has to do with anything, though. But hey. As for stomping TPF, I'd just note that you are two years younger than he is. Not likely to be able to force him to do anything.

On that note, are you planning on getting involved in this, TPF? For old time's sake? :P

Age does not matter. When you're in somebody's homeland, unless the ruler of said homeland is an absolute coward, you're not going to surrender.

I care not if you are from Gholgoth or if you're from /d/. You're all the same.

I don't know why you're being so hostile, Stok. I'm not trying to intimidate you. I simply am what I am.

I've always frowned upon Gholgoth and /d/ in general for being pompous elitists. To me, you're no different from the lot of them. I'm inherently biased against veterans.

lol.
lol.
lol.
lol.

Calm down children. All shall have a piece of Anagonia in their lands soon enough. Have Patience. :D

Well, I can't hope to persuade you from your prejudices, but I've had a few people tell me they like your RPing, so I'll stay in the RP. To arms, my brothers!

"lol" at you too, TPF.

"lol" at you too, TPF.

I now know why your so agitated. Your words are true to me.

Just to clear things up, ANTIFA is not getting involved. We are not currently big enought to have any actual effect and I think it would be more useful to simply build up resources until we're in a decent position. Throwing ourselves into a war now would only destroy the alliance. (If any ANTIFA members have a different opinion about this, however, I'd be glad to put it to vote.)

Meanwhile, I wish every ally of Stoklomolvi's war a great and glorious success.

Add me to Stok's side ill enter the war if the things start to go bad...but imm officialy neutral lulz :)

as i recently said....

No offense, Cuk, but as you just recently said it, you didn't have to quote it. No one cares after your first post.

On a side note for myself, we're neutral until the point an ODECON member is threatened or worse. Have a fun war, guys.

i quoted it because i had a feeling i was labeled like a participant in the opening post...

Should there be a wiki page for this if it looks like it'll last?

Should there be a wiki page for this if it looks like it'll last?

Why not?

ORBAT up soon.

(OOC:// I agree. Dozens of nations declared war on (From my knowledge) one of the strongest nations. The small nations allies got involved and so did the huge ones. So this could end up a world war)

OOC: I'd like to remind everyone looking up (Myakoo, evidently) that just because GWO looks really big from down there, he is by no means "one of the strongest ones".

/participation

GWO is a tiny speck in NS. I'm a slightly larger but still tiny speck.

I don't know why you're being so hostile, Stok. I'm not trying to intimidate you. I simply am what I am.
I've always frowned upon Gholgoth and /d/ in general for being pompous elitists. To me, you're no different from the lot of them. I'm inherently biased against veterans.

See Talost you Gothic traitor, despite your glorius (or not so glorius if looked from other side of Libertywall) departure from Haven, for proletariat you are still a pompous elitist :PPP


OOC: I'd like to remind everyone looking up (Myakoo, evidently) that just because GWO looks really big from down there, he is by no means "one of the strongest ones".

/participation

QFT

We are all tiny specks in this great wide universe.

I'm just a pompous speck who likes to think he is a pebble

I think we should make sub threads for specific battles, fighting, and subwars. Everyone can participate in them, unless said other wise, but I think the current IC thread should be used only for mobilization and introduction posts and declarations.

good idea

If that is done make sure you link back to the main thread and OOC thread in them, and state that it is merely an offshoot of the actual war.
Maybe end it in something like (ATTN: GWO/Stoklomolvi war- specific nation[s]) to make it obvious it's part of this

This is probably obvious but whatever xD

Well since gwo is based on provinces why not just make a thread specific to each province

GWO, like I said, has a terribly, terribly flawed system. Logistics for him are going to be nightmares, and the coalition can cut off each province from one another to prevent equipment from shifting about. The war for GWO is effectively over.

In the past GWO has also said food is only provided by a small number of those provinces. Blockade those islands and destroy any shipping with food and his people will starve. It was the Lyran-TPF war strategy.

GWO, like I said, has a terribly, terribly flawed system. Logistics for him are going to be nightmares, and the coalition can cut off each province from one another to prevent equipment from shifting about. The war for GWO is effectively over.

Eh, you aren't in very strong position at logistics yourselfly. Considering enormous size of your mainland which according to figures given in wikistates page is bigger than 3 earths(oceans included), you would have population density comparable to Mongolia's. I would say that your own intra-nation logistics should be also problematic, obviously any foreign deployments would be even worse.

Olmedreca;14338100']Eh, you aren't in very strong position at logistics yourselfly. Considering enormous size of your mainland which according to figures given in wikistates page is bigger than 3 earths(oceans included), you would have population density comparable to Mongolia's. I would say that your own intra-nation logistics should be also problematic, obviously any foreign deployments would be even worse.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. You got to include that Stoky has access to Anagonia Intelligence, including satellite and base links across his land. So that part of the logistics shouldn't be a problem.

Um, communications is just a part of logistics, not all of it at all.

I'll join on Stok's side, and provide logistics until a base is established where I could land troops.

orbat:

250,000 Infantry[including logistics, Special Forces, not including vehicle crews]

1,200 APC [BTR-90, including crews]

750 IFV, SPG[BMP-3M, Sprut-SD, including crews]

400 MBT[T-90A, including crews]

90 helicopter [Ka-60, Ka-65, Mi-24PN, crews]

400 Artillery pieces, Self Propelled Artillery [BM-21, BTR-80SVK, 2S4 Tylupan, 2S3 Akatsiya, Sprut-B, 105mm "Jackal"]

1,500 support vehicles[Ural-4320, MT-LB]

Um, communications is just a part of logistics, not all of it at all.

I know it isn't, that's why there is a full military establishment jointly commanded by Anagonian and Stoklomolvi Forces already in place in Stoklomolvi. He's been my Semi-Protectorate for a while now, so I believe I've had ample time to establish bases and logistics.

I think what Olde is referring to is the logistics of running a damn nation the three times the size of the entire earth with the population density of Mongolia. Better worry about that before the military logistics.

I think what Olde is referring to is the logistics of running a damn nation the three times the size of the entire earth with the population density of Mongolia. Better worry about that before the military logistics.

Three times the entire earth? Last I checked he was the size of Russia. How is that three times the damn size of the earth?

The communism adds 10 pounds, Anagonia.

Cuz russia iz humogrous an iz teh size of saturn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alzo russia floats on teh water like magik...alzo russia iz humogrous!!!!!!

the communism adds 10 pounds, anagonia.

mah argument is m00t. I admit defeat!

Three times the entire earth? Last I checked he was the size of Russia. How is that three times the damn size of the earth?

"At 1,784,325,926 square kilometres in size not counting dependencies..."

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Stoklomolvi

"Earth: Surface area 510,072,000 km²"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth

Obviously as its not most fresh data size of stok's mainland may have grown even more (people generally dont downsize their homelands in ns).

LOLZ
*Gives giant christmas cookie to oledreca*

"48,354,520 square kilomenters total" <-- From the Infobox

It even says, above the part where it states "At 1,784,325,926 square kilometres in size not counting dependencies...", "ALL OF THE BELOW IS OUT OF DATE"

I just finished the infobox. The information was out of date and extremely strange due to the odd scale of the old region.

I'm guessing that the big [ALL INFORMATION IS OUT OF DATE] did not mean anything.

"48,354,520 square kilomenters total" <-- From the Infobox

It even says, above the part where it states "At 1,784,325,926 square kilometres in size not counting dependencies...", "ALL OF THE BELOW IS OUT OF DATE"

Oh, so what he's saying about being the Size of Russia is true? Hmmm...STOKY REVEAL HOW LARGE YOU ARE, DAMNIT! YOU HATH CONFUSED MEH!

lulz:

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/w/index.php?title=Stoklomolvi&diff=74855&oldid=70757

I guess in the end stok agreed with my point as he downsized it just few minutes ago himselfly. Gotta love ability to see edit history in wikis.

I just finished the infobox. The information was out of date and extremely strange due to the odd scale of the old region.

GET ON AIM, NAO! Else I cry.

On it!

Olmedreca, did you not see the date of my last edit?

On it!

Olmedreca, did you not see the date of my last edit?

Yes, 1.5 months ago, relatively fresh for average NS wiki.

But you did not see the "OUT OF DATE OMG OMG" at the top?

When I rped with you last you were that size, thus I assumed you were the same.

I am thinking of joining in on your side Stok.

But you did not see the "OUT OF DATE OMG OMG" at the top?

There was no reason for me (or any of your current enemies like GWO who should have all right for accurate information in such basic matter like scale of your mainland) to believe that land area has been radically downsized.

That's why I just edited it. I'm in a new region, and I still did not touch my factbook until today.

And how did Jolt add a [NS::::] to your name?

Olmedreca;14338243']There was no reason for me (or any of your current enemies like GWO who should have all right for accurate information in such basic matter like scale of your mainland) to believe that land area has been radically downsized.

Alrighty, lemme clear some things up.

Apparently this all went down when he was in some region. When he left, he downsized his nation land mass. Any nation can do this at any time, and it's not a godmod to my understanding. When he joined the United Republic with Anagonia, his size was stated to be about the size of Russia, not including any other area's. This is what Anagonia recognizes, basically, and what it defends with its forces. So I got this all cleared up by Stoky over AIM when he pointed out to me the big letters saying "OUT OF DATE".

In other words, as of this moment, and previous months prior since his departure from that region, he is NOT Three Times the Size of Earth. That information on the WIKI was visibly "out of date", thanks to the precaution there. So, let's all move on, shall we?

Olmedreca;14338243']There was no reason for me (or any of your current enemies like GWO who should have all right for accurate information in such basic matter like scale of your mainland) to believe that land area has been radically downsized.

It's not like he was withholding information. When you asked, you got new info. It's hardly a crime to need to update your factbook.

snip

So, let's all move on, shall we?

Fine to me. Makes much more sense now.

It's not like he was withholding information. When you asked, you got new info. It's hardly a crime to need to update your factbook.

YES IT IS! Firing squad at dawn for such disgusting behavior!

Olmedreca;14338273']Fine to me. Makes much more sense now.

*dances and sings "We are United!"*

Sweet, okay...anyway..

Hey RBS?

I know your allies with Stok. But how does being a ally to a nation that is declaring war on a nation that is blockading a nation that is a part of the cloaitlion you ally is in a reason for you to delcare war? Isn't the whole point of a alliance to jump in when your ally is attacked? Not when they attack somebody else first? Also saying your only attack GWO allys that attack Stok or his allies first. May on the surface make you look good. But why would you delcare war on the ally of a enemy your ally is attacking for defending their ally?


:confused:

I mean all those BS "were allies" so we going to try and hop onto the bandwagon posts is stupid.

I mean if somebody attacks your fleet being your "defending" your ally by sending a invasion fleet to a enemy who hadn't attacked their homeland and their allies attack you. That gives you a reason to delcare war on them...?


How is that defending your ally from agression?

A defensive pact would limit a casus beli to if the other signatory is attacked, but a military alliance is much more ambiguous.

It is defending your ally, and the world for that matter, from aggression when these guys have attacked everyone who doesn't agree with them in sight. They were soon to come, they're just helping in the cause.

A defensive pact would limit a casus beli to if the other signatory is attacked, but a military alliance is much more ambiguous.

True and I reliase that. But shouldn't a good guy have more reason then the more the merrier?

F4u, stop trying to scare people away. Do stuff.

For example, if I wanted to scare you away I would launch every single Topol-M I have at you.

True and I reliase that. But shouldn't a good guy have more reason then the more the merrier?

Let's leave your subject alone for now, Okay Fighter?

F4u, stop trying to scare people away. Do stuff.

For example, if I wanted to scare you away I would launch every single Topol-M I have at you.

Really.....I getting sick of your threats of nuking me. Either do it or I nuke YOU if you even say anything about nuking me again. Got that? And I got pently of shiny nukes my commie friend.

Anagonia. Sure but that my soapbox and when I on a soapbox,I do like to yell! :P

Really.....I getting sick of your threats of nuking me. Either do it or I nuke YOU if you even say anything about nuking me again. Got that? And I got pently of shiny nukes my commie friend.

Let's face it - if you even attempted to nuke Stok, your nation wouldn't live long enough to invade Leis ;)

Let's face it - if you even attempted to nuke Stok, your nation wouldn't live long enough to invade Leis ;)

True. But Stok is annoying me. I just want him to know I got no problems deiding in nulear flames as long as I take a opposing side out with me.


But I do wanna invade Leistung..:(

True. But Stok is annoying me. I just want him to know I got no problems deiding in nulear flames as long as I take a opposing side out with me.


But I do wanna invade Leistung..:(

I wouldn't do that, he's an ally of mine.

I wouldn't do that, he's an ally of mine.

It's already been arranged. Speak to Leis would be my advice.

I thought Ryou Black Islands vanished into the history books? Why have they appeared again?

I wouldn't do that, he's an ally of mine.

Anagonia, I already decided I am. So I suppose I either a walking dead nation or I just put a HUGE target on my back for this war. :P

I thought Ryou Black Islands vanished into the history books? Why have they appeared again?

Shhhh, if nobody noticed him, it didn't happen.

It's already been arranged. Speak to Leis would be my advice.

Oh wait, duh....I'm already a part of that war XD

It is a good reason if the more the merrier means the better a chance that justice will be served.

It is a good reason if the more the merrier means the better a chance that justice will be served.

And when do they do that in RL again? I mean most people wouldn't want to be dragged off into all these wars you know...

Emporer Pudu, are you joining up on any side?

And when do they do that in RL again? I mean most people wouldn't want to be dragged off into all these wars you know...

Ever heard of a little thing called the Coalition of the Willing*?

*In the context of the MNF-I

And when do they do that in RL again? I mean most people wouldn't want to be dragged off into all these wars you know...

Uh, just about every major RL war is fought by coalitions. I mean, consider the Iraq War; these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_force_in_Iraq) are the forces contributed by various nations. There are a lot, aren't there?

And when do they do that in RL again? I mean most people wouldn't want to be dragged off into all these wars you know...
Do you think every nation in the world's survival was really imperitent to join WWII? No but because it was a major clash that would cause something, they felt they should join, plus everyone who was slightly allied with someone felt the need to jump in. It happens quite a bit in RL and seriously, you're just being a pain in my shiney, white ass right now by continueing with this conversation.

This bickering is laughable, roleplay is about telling a story and detail, so far I see a bunch of nation wagging their e-peens around in fluid motions. You cannot win NS, there is absolutely no point at all trying too.

If a nation really is close to being conquered, I cannot even say how many times the RP had died to

A) Inactivity.
B) Outright God-Mode.
C) Nuke Glassing
D) OOC Bickering
E) Flaming and bans.

So don't even try to win, put some time and effort and details into your posts, and try to have a story rather than to see who can win a silly internet game.

True. Sorry guys.


And TPF I wouldn't mind getting taken over if it a great story.

Really.....I getting sick of your threats of nuking me. Either do it or I nuke YOU if you even say anything about nuking me again. Got that? And I got pently of shiny nukes my commie friend.
Okay, then I threaten to nuke you again. Follow through, now.

TPF, you're certainly one to talk about such things. "I'm-a say let's-a not a-conquering but-a ignore my colonies in-a Greal-a."

So don't even try to win, put some time and effort and details into your posts, and try to have a story rather than to see who can win a silly Internet game.

I totally agree, I think you guys are hung up on the male testerone thing with threats and accusations.
So far 14 pages and hardly any storyline and no action. More chance you guys will die of old age rather than go to war, so why not rp the diplomatic thing and put it to bed.

As "The Peoples Freedom says The only certainty is there will be no winner. Just a lot of agro for you guys.

I will be joining the war now, IC post should be up soon.

Okay, then I threaten to nuke you again. Follow through, now.

TPF, you're certainly one to talk about such things. "I'm-a say let's-a not a-conquering but-a ignore my colonies in-a Greal-a."

*Sigh*

I would...but then I look stupid. You win this one. For now ;)

And Rech has a point.

If this was ended diplomatically, it would just start again the next time GWO was an aggressor against pretty much anyone. It might not be Stok who declares war first -- it could be anyone, including ODECON -- but I guarantee it will happen again.

Putting it off may happen, but that's all it will be, so if you want nothing to do with it, you probably should just stay out of it. You're not helping.

This bickering is laughable, roleplay is about telling a story and detail, so far I see a bunch of nation wagging their e-peens around in fluid motions. You cannot win NS, there is absolutely no point at all trying too..

I second that, and more. If, for example, you think you would feel easier roleplaying a the remaints of a nation post-nuclear war, then there is no point in writing about something you have no interest about continuing just for the sake of "winning". I nuked Third Spanish States to force a techsphere push to post-apocalyptic PMT because I lost interest in the way it was currently set up, just for the sake of opening opportunities for new venues of RPing that would be more interesting than the "post 4-pages long description of battle from the point of view of a single soldier like if writing the script for a war movie. Rinse, repeat" I ended doing. And as I tend to easily let die any thread without a premise of conflict, peaceful RPs never were my cup of tea either.

Now really, this thread has a bunch of examples of why I am some of a pompous elitist myself, who handpicks who joins and who doesn't in most of my RPs.

I second that, and more. If, for example, you think you would feel easier roleplaying a the remaints of a nation post-nuclear war, then there is no point in writing about something you have no interest about continuing just for the sake of "winning". I nuked Third Spanish States to force a techsphere push to post-apocalyptic PMT because I lost interest in the way it was currently set up, just for the sake of opening opportunities for new venues of RPing that would be more interesting than the "post 4-pages long description of battle from the point of view of a single soldier like if writing the script for a war movie. Rinse, repeat" I ended doing. And as I tend to easily let die any thread without a premise of conflict, peaceful RPs never were my cup of tea either.

Now really, this thread has a bunch of examples of why I am some of a pompous elitist myself, who handpicks who joins and who doesn't in most of my RPs.

Never could be a "pompous elitist". Found myself thinking every new nation was worthless.

It is true that in my newer days I too was guilty of wagging the e-peen around, more so in the case of North Calveras than Greal.

But now I haven't done a major roleplay in really a whole year, at least since the Nova Europa conflicts and Foxbury. And that is because now I am more interested in story and detail, as compared to saying ha ha, 13,000 tanks at j00 and now I conquer you.

And I gave that colony back to Greal. ;)

There is a lot of potential here for a great story and nice battles, it would just be a shame to see it squandered otherwise.

It is true that in my newer days I too was guilty of wagging the e-peen around, more so in the case of North Calveras than Greal.

But now I haven't done a major roleplay in really a whole year, at least since the Nova Europa conflicts and Foxbury. And that is because now I am more interested in story and detail, as compared to saying ha ha, 13,000 tanks at j00 and now I conquer you.

And I gave that colony back to Greal. ;)

There is a lot of potential here for a great story and nice battles, it would just be a shame to see it squandered otherwise.

Agreed about the story and role playing. However I believe the plan is to separate this war into different threads, to make it less...burdensome. There awesome stories can come up, maybe?

Actually i dont rly care about GWO nuking me or smth. If he godmodes, we should godmode back.

I think we should be like "onoz we iz on supa 1337 godmode pliz. we iz recover all our territory + monies in just 1 second. and you dai!!!1"

ok kidding. :D

After reading 13 pages of this shit, I am in. On GWOs side I will be limiting my response. I will also not acknowledge ooc statements made in non-standard English(this includes leet).

First nation to lob a Nuke I will make you wish it was Doom at war against you (on either side).

OOC: Hmm, though I have no quarel with GWO (at the moment), it appears friends of my nation have joined in on Stok's side. I will have to consider this. Expect an IC post soon.

After reading 13 pages of this shit, I am in. On GWOs side I will be limiting my response. I will also not acknowledge ooc statements made in non-standard English(this includes leet).

First nation to lob a Nuke I will make you wish it was Doom at war against you (on either side).

Ah, well, its for entertainment purposes.

I second that, and more. If, for example, you think you would feel easier roleplaying a the remaints of a nation post-nuclear war, then there is no point in writing about something you have no interest about continuing just for the sake of "winning". I nuked Third Spanish States to force a techsphere push to post-apocalyptic PMT because I lost interest in the way it was currently set up, just for the sake of opening opportunities for new venues of RPing that would be more interesting than the "post 4-pages long description of battle from the point of view of a single soldier like if writing the script for a war movie. Rinse, repeat" I ended doing. And as I tend to easily let die any thread without a premise of conflict, peaceful RPs never were my cup of tea either.

Now really, this thread has a bunch of examples of why I am some of a pompous elitist myself, who handpicks who joins and who doesn't in most of my RPs.

I say, a prole appeared!

While Denecaep is simply sending supplies without actual fighting, we must side with Stoklomolvi.

Hey Fighter4u, seeing as ODECON is undoubtably going to become involved in the war once I figure out that it was GWO, and by extension, the IFA, who sponsored and funded the attacks on my nation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577064), how would you feel about invading now as a theater of this war rather than late January like we planned?

I'm not breaking it down by fleet because that would take forever
Ships:
2,750 Longboat Class (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12528757&postcount=5) (Moskits modified to BrahMos) (Ka-27, Ka-31)
15 Ulyanovsk Class (Mig-1.44)
100 Bergastan Class (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12331908&postcount=41) (Exocet replaced with BrahMos, S-300 replaced with S-400)
150 Akula Class Attack Submarines
75 Oscar-II Class
25 Lada Class
15 Borei Class

Sans Semmes is siding with Stok, by sending supplies (already up in IC) and declaring Phoney/Cold war soon.

Nuclear powered Naval vessels need a stated range(endurance), unless your reactors make food for the crew.

After reading 13 pages of this shit, I am in. On GWOs side I will be limiting my response. I will also not acknowledge ooc statements made in non-standard English(this includes leet).

First nation to lob a Nuke I will make you wish it was Doom at war against you (on either side).

I would agree with you, but again this is the OOC thread. Calm down.

1.Roleplay is for me heavy because English isn't my first tongue.
2.If I'm giving types of units and their amount I'm supposed to come to given really existing ships whether I can simply that's all to invent (within reason)?

I do think separate threads work nicely. For major wars with multiple fronts and covert actions its easier to see what's related to what. It also means you have to track more threads... but overall its better than having one megathread. Also linking all the side threads on the OOC thread is good.

Post Civil War Ascelonia under the TSA is going to stay neutral for the meantime to avoid a nuclear war. It will distribute aid and take in refugees.

I have a rather strong feeling that the Pact will be getting involved in this...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577744

That's the link, without URL tags added, to the first Theatre of War.

and so it begins...

and so it begins...

*dramatic pause*

From here on out, post your OOC comments, remarks, and ORBATs in this thread.

As to sort out the confusion, let's find out whose on whose side and that sort of crap.

When you get on Greston, make sure to post the linkies! Else we universally fall in a pit of despair, har!

I would agree with you, but again this is the OOC thread. Calm down.
I would suggest you consider for a moment that typed speech lacks emphasis and inflection and therefore greatly limits a person's ability to surmise the emotional state of the writer. Therefore instead of issuing a statement like "calm down" to take a bit more time to ascertain the actual state of mind of the person to whom you are speaking.

Now with the fountain of leet speak and preschool gibberish in this thread I am perhaps a bit(just a touch) offended that you would suggest I need to "calm down" when I am clearly not the one who forgot to take his Aderall today.

So if my occasional use of profane verbiage leads you to believe I am in a state of excite I apologize, however I will call a spade a spade and it is indeed 13 solid pages of shit. Also, everthing I typed was completely OOC.

( That was an extraordinary post over a single post. All I can say is that you are quite verbose and scholarly and this is good in In Character posts however in Out of character chats we like to remain informal. Though how you rp I have no control over.)

I would suggest you consider for a moment that typed speech lacks emphasis and inflection and therefore greatly limits a person's ability to surmise the emotional state of the writer. Therefore instead of issuing a statement like "calm down" to take a bit more time to ascertain the actual state of mind of the person to whom you are speaking.

Now with the fountain of leet speak and preschool gibberish in this thread I am perhaps a bit(just a touch) offended that you would suggest I need to "calm down" when I am clearly not the one who forgot to take his Aderall today.

So if my occasional use of profane verbiage leads you to believe I am in a state of excite I apologize, however I will call a spade a spade and it is indeed 13 solid pages of shit. Also, everthing I typed was completely OOC.

I believe, personally, you need to review your wording. If you are correct about your statement, then therefore you assume my statement had a harsher tone to it when I specifically intended nothing of the sort. I agree that this is thirteen pages of l33t speak, followed by rants and gibberish, but then again this thread was specifically designed to keep this "shit" out of the IC threads in the first place.

My personal belief is that it has done it's job perfectly, and that at any moment one can basically overlook the posts he doesn't like and skip to the sensible speaking individuals whom actually have something to contribute. If you find yourself slightly "offended", may I recommend a path of tolerance and ignoring the people who offend you the most whom have posted thus far?

I find this path to be the best taken, and results in less flame-baiting and harassment. Just a suggestion, of course.

EDIT

I formally apologize if my statements thus far have offended you in any way, of course. I'm merely stating my observations.

Stoklo-GWO War; Theatre: Oil Province Thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577744

I'll be posting an ORBAT for my first armada later. Before a new thread should be made, I need Stok to either accept or decline my request to redefine his war. If he declines, then he has three days after my fleet arrives to change his mind, during which time I will move ships into his waters and begin a blockade. If after that he still does not change his declaration war will be declared.

Of course, Stok, I need to know where you are located first so I can calculate rough travel time for my fleets :P

His wiki page seems to suggest Russia and Alaska

Well, like most custom NS regions Gholgoth is somewhere in the Pacific, so I'd be sailing East and it wouldn't be that far of a trip. Few days at most.

Of course, Stok, I need to know where you are located first so I can calculate rough travel time for my fleets :P

He's located in a separate region (Earth4AD or something like that), but the geography is basically the former USSR+China+Alaska+Japan. That's my understanding anyways.

Telros here. I am very new at MT and this is my first war. I thought about how the hell I am going to be doing this war, and I realized I had only one option, after some discussion with Anagonia. I am offering up to any of the GWO allies (Not you GWO, I am nowhere close to battling you, as much as I would like to ^^), to be their foe in one of the theaters and invade them. Again, I am new and I am still working on my ships and such (mix of Russian and America stuff, but mostly American so I can fight in this war).

So I want to see if anyone wants to fight me and what-not.

Chazakain accepts your challenge good sir!
I would prefer to have a country after all of this so if you could please show some restraint it would be appreciated.(since you country probably has a larger military than our whole population)
and no nukes!

I don't even have a nuclear program set up, my friend. So no worries. Also, I am a democratic guy, so we won't wipe you out. We'll just dismantle your military, rebuild the infrastructure and hold polls to see what kind fo government your people want. So, I accept. I'll have a declaration of war and such, yadda yadda.

Ok then.
Low down on Chazakain then.
It is centrally located off the (rl) Brazilian coast, its western borders are the only ones facing the open ocean

ah forget it here are some(crudely drawn) maps

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/chazsapphire/MapMark2.png

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/chazsapphire/Chazakain11.png

Government structure is monarchy based system with the king having final say in all decisions. He has his advisers that recommend needed changes in Chazakain, these advisers can wield quite the power if the king allows it. The business adviser for example has some of the greatest power besides the king while the environmental adviser is nearly not there. Business is given nearly free reign, political rights are nonexistent, while civil rights are few but still are there. The countryside varies from the well developed to nothing there. Cities arise around manufacturing areas and ports.

Fighter, did you see my post a few pages back?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14339436&postcount=200

Questions for Chazaka:

1) Is the Chazaka Empire what I'm fighting or the entire thing?

2) I assume this is off the west coast of Brazil?

1. At the moment you are only fighting Chazakain, the Chazaka Empire could be drawn in, but won't unless nukes are traded between the opposing sides or is attacked.

2. No its off the eastern coast of Brazil. Heres a rough map of where it'd be Rough Map (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj31/chazsapphire/World.png)(ignore the red above Russia)

Okay, so I'm fighting the kingdom then? Gotcha. And its on the eastern coast, alrighty. I'll be posting up the invasion thread and the ORBAT in it relatively soon, since I'm trying to get what I use up and going (probably a lot of RL stuff *shrugs*)

Hey Fighter4u, seeing as ODECON is undoubtably going to become involved in the war once I figure out that it was GWO, and by extension, the IFA, who sponsored and funded the attacks on my nation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577064), how would you feel about invading now as a theater of this war rather than late January like we planned?

Well, that would draw ODECON into the war and pit even more odds agaisnt my side. And I suppose I be pissed if somebody drew in a bunch of enemies that we didn't have to deal with previously.


Those I know have quite a few terriost attacks I could carry out...


I suppose its up to my side about how they feel about also fighting ODECON.

Which would probably make this a World War if it not already.

I'd say bring it on, but since I'm probably going to get crushed by Telros.
*shrug*

Well, that would draw ODECON into the war and pit even more odds agaisnt my side. And I suppose I be pissed if somebody drew in a bunch of enemies that we didn't have to deal with previously.


Those I know have quite a few terriost attacks I could carry out...


I suppose its up to my side about how they feel about also fighting ODECON.

Which would probably make this a World War if it not already.

ODECON is getting involved either way--I'm talking about us declaring war after finding out that GWO has been killing my civilians, and then you invading me to divert ODECON resources. Since we were planning on doing this later this month, I figured that this would be as good a time as any.

One last bit, Chazaka. I doubt you could get the Empire and such to fight me, since thats a puppet I assume and having both attack me would be puppet-wanking.

erh this is the puppet, but you shouldn't worry unless someone attacks Chazaka first or the nukes start flying Chazaka will remain neutral.

infact there is a neutrailty (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14339373&postcount=138) announcement.

"Puppet-wank" is defined as using more than one nation that you control in the same RP without the prior consent of all participants. So, in this case, "Chazakain" is the main nation and anything else is a puppet.

No, what I am saying is. Having your puppets help your other nations is puppetwanking, which is against the rules. I was just informing you, thats all. I don't intend on nuking you. Not only is that OOC bad stuff, unless agreed to on both sides, ICly that would be reserved for if I was about to be genocided or something, my last utter resort.

"Puppet-wank" is defined as using more than one nation that you control in the same RP without the prior consent of all participants. So, in this case, "Chazakain" is the main nation and anything else is a puppet.
ah, shouldn't worry about that then.

No, what I am saying is. Having your puppets help your other nations is puppetwanking, which is against the rules. I was just informing you, thats all. I don't intend on nuking you. Not only is that OOC bad stuff, unless agreed to on both sides, ICly that would be reserved for if I was about to be genocided or something, my last utter resort.
ok

starts to prepare Chazakain Naval defenses

just one last note, Chazakain IC posts will have at least one movie/monty python quote in them unless its simply an orbit post. :)

If you can get one in about the vorpal bunny I will be very happy

ODECON is getting involved either way--I'm talking about us declaring war after finding out that GWO has been killing my civilians, and then you invading me to divert ODECON resources. Since we were planning on doing this later this month, I figured that this would be as good a time as any.


Sure. No problem then. When you find out and ODECON declares,I have a invasion force knocking on your front door. But is their any chance my nation can carry out a few terriost attacks before the actual invasion? Not attacks your people,but more like efforts to shut down your ports/trade and to force you and other nations to divert more resorcues and manpower into defending your population(Law & Order etc.) and forcing you to curb more civil rights in your on going effort to do that. Such oppressing your people more and then its up to you to decide weather they by like Britian in WW2 or American in Veitam.

If you can get one in about the vorpal bunny I will be very happy

I've been looking for a chance to use that but so far no situation has been good enough for its pure awesomeness.

I've been looking for a chance to use that but so far no situation has been good enough for its pure awesomeness.

Chazakain I got PENTLY of tanks/aircraft/small arms etc. lying around in my nation just looking all shiny after I went on a huge shopping spree and got a little carried away. Would you like some reenforcements in terms of more adavnce(but still MT+3) NS made weapons and troops to aid you in the defense of your nation?

Add Magna Polis to the theater list, pl0x.

Sure. No problem then. When you find out and ODECON declares,I have a invasion force knocking on your front door. But is their any chance my nation can carry out a few terriost attacks before the actual invasion? Not attacks your people,but more like efforts to shut down your ports/trade and to force you and other nations to divert more resorcues and manpower into defending your population(Law & Order etc.) and forcing you to curb more civil rights in your on going effort to do that. Such oppressing your people more and then its up to you to decide weather they by like Britian in WW2 or American in Veitam.

lol, you certainly picked a bad time to be blowing stuff up. GWO already has my whole national police force on super-high alert, and I can't stress the "super-high" part enough. I've already curbed civil liberties, though if you'd like to contribute, I recommend thinking it through--the seaports are basically impossible to get into without ID at this point.

Has any one looked at our regional map, to get near Leistung at all you need to swurve in and around my islands and nation, if you are an enemy of mine or Leistung, you have no chance of even reaching within 200 miles of his coast.

Has any one looked at our regional map, to get near Leistung at all you need to swurve in and around my islands and nation, if you are an enemy of mine or Leistung, you have no chance of even reaching within 200 miles of his coast.

I already have an established Air/Naval/Land base there, so that will be something for people to consider too. When his theatre comes up, I'll post the ORBAT for that.

Chazakain I got PENTLY of tanks/aircraft/small arms etc. lying around in my nation just looking all shiny after I went on a huge shopping spree and got a little carried away. Would you like some reenforcements in terms of more adavnce(but still MT+3) NS made weapons and troops to aid you in the defense of your nation?

Since I plan on going underground once/if the naval battle goes bad, no thanks.

lol, you certainly picked a bad time to be blowing stuff up. GWO already has my whole national police force on super-high alert, and I can't stress the "super-high" part enough. I've already curbed civil liberties, though if you'd like to contribute, I recommend thinking it through--the seaports are basically impossible to get into without ID at this point.

Leistung, who ever said anything about blowing things up? ;)


New Greston, how open are you to covert speical forces attacks agaisnt your nation design to achieve total desruction agaisnt your ports or to at least damage them to the port where a naval taskforce is slowed down or unable to leave port or not for very long(supplies hampered due to lack of ports) or to divert naval ships to escorting or borading all merchant shipping? And such serving as warning to all enemy nations that any ship in their water is a threat to them?


Anagonia, more fun for you! :)

Chazakain,alright then.

Anagonia, more fun for you! :)

You have no idea. I have bases near these places, it's ridiculous!

Fighter, ODECON is now officially at war with GWO. Feel free to do whatever you want.

You have no idea. I have bases near these places, it's ridiculous!

Sure, you may very well kick my butt with better RPing skill and greater understanding of military weapons and tatics. But I don't fight like most nations. What you see is rarely what you get.

Leistung, read ODECON page. I applied