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Alright, so basically I read World War Z (great book tbh), and it got me thinking of how the NS universe would handle this situation. Personally I'm sick of the stranded groups of random people RPs and movies, so I was thinking of a Zombie RP on a national... nay INTERnational scale. Honestly, I haven't even decided on the kinds of zombies, I mean since this is the NS world I was personally thinking of the 28 weeks later kind, since it would give us the ability to use ultimate force, and there still be the possibility of the virus spreading. Or I was thinking of Resident Evil-like ones where they're specific bosses that destroy large military units and take ingenuity to defeat.

But this is just to see if anyone is interest in this kind of thing, and see what kind of zombies would best fit the NS universe.

Truly, I would think that a country could easily defeat zombies if it felt like it. Really, now, if zombies took over a city, would you not nuke it, given the huge populations of NSEarth? If zombies launched an assault against you, would you not just shoot the crap out of them all the while bombing them with artillery? Would you not start burying people in concrete blocks? On a national level, the response should be rapid, not all slow like in Resident Evil. You wouldn't send one or two people against a huge zombie outbreak. It's silly.

Just my opinion.

Truly, I would think that a country could easily defeat zombies if it felt like it. Really, now, if zombies took over a city, would you not nuke it, given the huge populations of NSEarth? If zombies launched an assault against you, would you not just shoot the crap out of them all the while bombing them with artillery? Would you not start burying people in concrete blocks? On a national level, the response should be rapid, not all slow like in Resident Evil. You wouldn't send one or two people against a huge zombie outbreak. It's silly.

Just my opinion.

True, true.

Maybe we could make it Past Tech?

All idea are open.

Although a zombie epidemic against 1700 circa muskets and tactics would be interesting...

I'm interested. The book is epic awesome.


All idea are open.

Although a zombie epidemic against 1700 circa muskets and tactics would be interesting...



How about American Civil War era? That way we can't really wipe out zombies with nukes and such.

Truly, I would think that a country could easily defeat zombies if it felt like it. Really, now, if zombies took over a city, would you not nuke it, given the huge populations of NSEarth? If zombies launched an assault against you, would you not just shoot the crap out of them all the while bombing them with artillery? Would you not start burying people in concrete blocks? On a national level, the response should be rapid, not all slow like in Resident Evil. You wouldn't send one or two people against a huge zombie outbreak. It's silly.

Just my opinion.

It's almost metagaming though, zombies aren't real (or so we think :P) so we don't know what we're combatting which is why in films you only get small kill teams sent in to wipe up the mess and end up being killed themselves. But of here on NS we have the advantage since it's been done before. Myself included in the statistics, I even have a top secret military dierective on how combat the undead:

http://issuu.com/stevid/docs/r-directive

But I'm interested in this RP idea but only because my country has a policy on this thing. Also FYI Stoklomolvi, artillery is fairly ineffective against a massed horde of zombies. Artillery main power isn't in its destructive prowess, it's in it's shock and awe. Failing that also it's ability to shift surround tempratures to boil blood is pretty impressive... none of this kills the undead. You need a direct hit to kill them, a maimed zombie is probably more dangerous than a mobile one.

How about WW1 or WW2 tech? That way we have rifles, a few automatics, and so-so planes, but no good bombs or accurate artillery. This would make it very fun, and communication could mainly be telegrams...

Stok: Read WWZ, see the First Battle of Yonkers. Artillery does jack to a zombie, barring a direct hit, and just hosing them with fire is a waste of bullets (assuming, of course, WWZ zombies, which only go down to headshots). Nukes don't work all that well either, barring the point where you've disintegrated the bastards.

Anyway, the primary advantage zombies have is that they don't exist. By the time an outbreak is taken seriously, you've probably lost a city, and have thousands of sleepers en route to other locales, guaranteeing new outbreaks there. Standard epidemiology, barring the fact that the people that die from it keep moving around.

Mind you, the example of Israel in the book does show what a properly prepared society can do, with a few sacrifices and a heavy enough hand. It's just a wee bit unrealistic to be able to pull such an act off worldwide, especially what with the whole "zombies don't exist" thought going around.

Meh I can't RP past tech very well, but don't conform to what I want honestly because I'm just far more comfortable with MT-PMT tech than any other.

WWZ should be taken seriously if we want to do an MT RP because you can leech off that for ideas but also it shows how developed countries might fall. The down side is that many countries on NS are 'open minded' about the possibility of the undead rising, like my own nation for example, and they would be better equipped to fight off a mass outbreak.

Another way is if one or two nations decide to get almost over run and look to international aid for help and then countries like myself step in. One thing leads to another and then nations like myself suddenly have minor/medium outbreaks occuring.

Well, adding speed and keeping the headshots would make the infection innumberable harder to contain, even for a nation prepared for that, the infection would spread faster in both land mass infected and number infect, making nukes not as much bang for your buck. But, I have a personal issue with speeding zombie, but if that'd be better for the RP I'd be cool with it.

this could be interesting, i will keep an eye out to see how it evolves,

especially seeing that Mokastana is pretty much divided amongst three continents, with numerous islands

as for WWZ, it was a good book but they had to give the zombies a little to much luck if you ask me. Yonkers was a tactical mess, the leadership was severely dumbed down for the sake of a zombie victory.

but that is just my minor critique of a overall good book...

Well, adding speed and keeping the headshots would make the infection innumberable harder to contain, even for a nation prepared for that, the infection would spread faster in both land mass infected and number infect, making nukes not as much bang for your buck. But, I have a personal issue with speeding zombie, but if that'd be better for the RP I'd be cool with it.

Well running zombies would defy the strain my scientists encountered, so I'd be prepared for the wrong thing so that works for me and Stevid would have to adapt to it. So that keeps me on my toes (litterally). I'd call it another strain of the virus so maybe a mix of slow and fast ghouls to keep us all on our toes.

Where can I find World War Z?I/ll read it,then cash in.

How about WW1 or WW2 tech? That way we have rifles, a few automatics, and so-so planes, but no good bombs or accurate artillery. This would make it very fun, and communication could mainly be telegrams...
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Stok: Read WWZ, see the First Battle of Yonkers. Artillery does jack to a zombie, barring a direct hit, and just hosing them with fire is a waste of bullets (assuming, of course, WWZ zombies, which only go down to headshots). Nukes don't work all that well either, barring the point where you've disintegrated the bastards.
Tissue damage slows them down, yo...
I'd like to see one remain a viable threat after it becomes a triple-amputee curtessy of an 81 mm mortar-shell...

Tissue damage slows them down, yo...
I'd like to see one remain a viable threat after it becomes a triple-amputee curtessy of an 81 mm mortar-shell...

When they bite your people in the foot/leg/whatever, when your order them to clean out the area after the heavy bombardments, because your solider/leadership assume that the bombardment killed all the Zeds.

and
Chazaka has a brigade strength part of our army that is specially trained to go after zeds and I'm so going to go make a directive/list of orders(i've post three of them someone hmm) now. Thanks Stevid

I love this idea this may just get me back into NSG RPs. Also Jagaro makes a great infection center, tight gun control, laughable army, only things we have are a strong educational and health care systems.

On another note has anyone played the "The Last Stand" flash games those have both running zombies and shamblers, if we used a system like that we would get the best of both worlds.

I'm quite interested. I've read World War Z and the Survival Guide at least three times each :P

When they bite your people in the foot/leg/whatever, when your order them to clean out the area after the heavy bombardments, because your solider/leadership assume that the bombardment killed all the Zeds.
I don't see it being likely for any military force make that mistake more than once...
Heck, any military commander who assumes that artillery will "kill them all" should be demoted...

You are also assuming that only shelling will create amputated zombies/crawlers. Or that only amputees will "lurk" around ankle-level.

Tough-luck trying to bite-through a stiff leather jackboot BTW...

i like this idea

I do agree that mass scale zombie RP's dont work, point of survival horror is that there is help coming to get your ass out of there, you just need to stay alive till that happens. A international scale one negates that and all you need to do is send enough forces to win.

As for Idea's I think the PT idea would work though I'm thinking feudalistic times, or perhaps even a light dash of fantasy (would make zombies easy to explain to, I mean other then some virus) and by light dash I dont mean uber mages or crap like that, just simple healing magic, maybe a barrier while your characters sleep, more defensive stuff rather then offensive.

Other then that I got no other ideas since FT and MT have been over worked. As for the discussion of the rest of you,

Let's see. If we're allowed to use a copy of Hadrian's Army Order 33, I'm in. Works great for PT, especially if we get to use Classical Age tech.

I do agree that mass scale zombie RP's dont work, point of survival horror is that there is help coming to get your ass out of there, you just need to stay alive till that happens. A international scale one negates that and all you need to do is send enough forces to win.

As for Idea's I think the PT idea would work though I'm thinking feudalistic times, or perhaps even a light dash of fantasy (would make zombies easy to explain to, I mean other then some virus) and by light dash I dont mean uber mages or crap like that, just simple healing magic, maybe a barrier while your characters sleep, more defensive stuff rather then offensive.

Other then that I got no other ideas since FT and MT have been over worked. As for the discussion of the rest of you,


That sort of PT Tech is doomed to failure because of the need to engage zombies at close quarters. Not everyone will be knights and won't have greata rmour. A world wide zombie outbreak would destroy a feudal world. Like WW1/2 Tech, much more emphasis on fighting hand to hand- and in particular with WW1 tech is artillery which we no is pretty poor against ghouls.

I'm willing to work with a mix of running and slow zombies in an MT/PMT era, but maybe narrow it down to an RPG sized RP. I kinda agree with Spit Break because organising a mass outbreak in several nations would be difficult to get across while RPing with characters. So many let's keep it in a broad vision but relate to a massive outbreak in our post only when we need to like they do in WWZ. But RPing with kill teams is cool but has been done before, but whole battalions or a mass group of people fighting back Zak sounds awesome. (Those of you with the WWZ book: I think it's in 'Turning the Tide' bit where a film director talks about how a university college full of students is beseiged by thousands of ghouls and they fight them off. Sounded Epic). < Something like that.

We could have a few rounds of 'Yonkers' before adapting our tactics but with running zombies in the mix we'd have to improvise further and we'd have to look beyond the Survival Guide and WWZ for pointers. This RP has got real promise at the moment though.

EDIT:

Chazaka has a brigade strength part of our army that is specially trained to go after zeds and I'm so going to go make a directive/list of orders(i've post three of them someone hmm) now. Thanks Stevid

Issu is amazing and Zombies are so cool I had to do something like it, also I watched some Star Trek episode with the Omega Directive (Those in the know will know what I'm on about) which has the same principles) But If you read though it forgive the grammar and spelling because I can never be bothered to proof read my work.

Yes fighting zombies with swords will fail which is why I suggested perhaps a bit of fantasy mixed in to make things workable. As for the scale, i'd say maybe groups of 20 at the max at first for a character rp (like 5 main then supports) and eventually it would get dwindled down to perhaps just the mains or maybe even just some of the mains.

Also for the setting, of this situation I think perhaps a large island or something and we are initially quarantine groups but to many zombies force us off the island, eventually it spreads to the mainland and we got a conflict on our hands where its our groups fighting like house to house to escape.

I would love to participate, but as has been said, a character zombie RP is far too cliched.

You know what would be really cool? A storyline where Hitler's experiments into the occult leads to Zombies, which feed on both sides. As a result, we can form a bitter alliance with the Nazis (or remain in conflict) on a massive scale, which would enable us to have battlefields of Zeds being sliced apart by MG nests but refusing to die; thousands of soldiers volleying rounds into the bunched masses of the undead; and perhaps the Nuclear Solution being used, but failing because the infection goes beyond the enemy lines. Humanity is pushed to the last refuges -- Britain, the U.S., Pacific Islands, etc. It truly will be a WWZ.

Fighting with swords and shields isn't suicidal, if you know what you're doing. Hence Army Order 33, the detailed guide to detailing with zombie outbreaks. Outfit legion units with leather coverings over the armor, entrench navigable routes to legion positions to bottle-neck hordes, utilizing fire trenches to funnel hordes where appropriate, and all wounded are to be given death by comrades. Also, when you consider that Roman legions were specifically trained to fight in square units, could turn to face the enemy when necessary, and used shortswords and spears perfect for stabbing over their shield wall at zombie heads, you find that there is no melee force more suitable for zombie combat than the Romans. After all, that was what Hadrian's Wall was originally built for.

I love the idea that Great Lord Tiger has proposed, of the Hitler thing..

What about having zombies more like the ones from Left 4 dead(which run) including the 'special' zombies

Smoker-can attack from up to 50 feet with a long constrictive tongue

Hunter-leaps and pins targets with extreme agility

Boomer-vomits a pheromone infused bile that attracts the horde and explodes when shot

Tank-massive muscled zombie that can absorb a lot of shots

I don't think the witch would work in RP but we could make up more 'special' zombies

Chameleon-blends in and attacks with a flurry but hacks and coughs alot giving it away.

Eh, I really don't like the "super"-powered zombies, except the running that its, I just think the agility just isn't right en the zombie genre, but if most people like it, I guess I could try it.

I think this would work better as a character RP but we could also see the war from the point of view of national leaders and the survivor.

I would love to participate, but as has been said, a character zombie RP is far too cliched.

You know what would be really cool? A storyline where Hitler's experiments into the occult leads to Zombies, which feed on both sides. As a result, we can form a bitter alliance with the Nazis (or remain in conflict) on a massive scale, which would enable us to have battlefields of Zeds being sliced apart by MG nests but refusing to die; thousands of soldiers volleying rounds into the bunched masses of the undead; and perhaps the Nuclear Solution being used, but failing because the infection goes beyond the enemy lines. Humanity is pushed to the last refuges -- Britain, the U.S., Pacific Islands, etc. It truly will be a WWZ.

Great idea, shame the Mods won't allow it. I'm sure there is a rule here that prevents us from doing alternate historic RP timelines. It could still be done but on an offsite forum but I honestly can't bothered with that sort of agro.

Oh yeah, I remember that rule. Crap.

So a mix of fast a slow zombies would be good? And how fast do the bitten come zombies? Instantly or after a few minutes or hours?

I'd say first wave is a few hours(less than say 4), 2nd couple minutes, eventually seconds that way we still have a sense of urgency since you don't know which one your friend is...

what about the zombie virus mutating over time to infect hosts faster with each successive infection and growing more powerful.

So a mix of fast a slow zombies would be good? And how fast do the bitten come zombies? Instantly or after a few minutes or hours?

you know there is a book by the guy who wrote WWZ and he explains that in it (how long it takes before you become a zombie)

By running zombies are we talking 28 Days Later style or something else?

If you axe the part about Nazi Germany, England, etc; the rest of the idea would work. You could easily use that time period, that technology but with fictional nations.

you know there is a book by the guy who wrote WWZ and he explains that in it (how long it takes before you become a zombie)

I know that, I'm not asking what en the universe how long it takes, I was asking about this particular RP... Anyways I like how as the virus mutates people turn faster.

Yeah we could make it infectious and jumping to people fast initially but eventually it stops being airborn and has to be transmitted via contacts with the bodily fluids of a zombie

I recently watched Mulberry Street, in which some virus turned it's victims into rat-people. It was largely the standard zombie scenario set in Manhattan, but other than a few scenes, it lost it's impetus and direction through the last half-hour or so.
I should take the premise of Night of the Living Dead, wherein it's a global event-radiation from a meteor reanimating the dead-and everyone has to deal with the local situation before going international.
The main concerns would be-was this a one shot, where everyone dead at the time of the event is reanimated and infectious, or is it longer term, where those dying of other causes are reanimating?
Era shouldn't matter, really, other than the speed with which locals will adopt use of fire and cremation to stem the tide.
Just a few thoughts

Nah, airborne zombie virus doesn't ring.

I was thinking that a Cnian scientist sold some of an experimental "mind toxin" (which was originially created to block out pain and fear from a soldiers mind, and to erradicate all things registered human) to a group on the black market, which was a small anarchist group en Buddha C, that injected it en themselves to create fanatical fighters, but this ultimately ended en four outbreaks en four major cities, two of which have an airport.

OOH, sounds better than the inevitable 'virus' cop-out.

Why must it be an airport? The end of "Noche del Terror Ciego" had the zombified Knights Templar invading by train-while not as swift, trains have the advantage of not requiring pilots to land safely.
Scenario I imagine:"Zombies have taken flight 472!"
"So what? How they gonna land?"

If an infected person gets on the plane it could take hours for them to become "zombified", and thus after the plane lands, further spreading the infection.

You're still dealing with one "Victim Zero"-which granted, is all it takes-however, trains would allow massive transport of infected, and would be a greater threat. Besides, how long are international flights? Save in Europe, where the countries are close enough to drive to, the incubation period would play out over the flight. Also, airport security is vastly superior to train station security-more likely, a major rail hub would spread the condition much more than an air hub.

Does this agruement really matter? It's very possible for it to spread threw both routes.

Granted, the argument is only valid if the setting has air travel in the first place-but if it does, airports are not going to be a major concern, as the infection only spreads through fluid contact-unless being bitten by a corpse has it's own diseases and the "zombie" bit just kicks in after, and the disease is aggressive enough to cause more plane crashes than infection. Based in most of the zombie fiction out there, the disease is aggressive enough that airports are not going to be a concern-zombies aren't going to take a plane, pilot one, or really do more than cause a plane to crash.
Similarily, buses and automobiles are not going to be major disease vectors-but one zombie can infect an entire subway between stops, as can a train undergoing an attack-one of the considerations of the premise is to spread the disease adequately to make an Apocalytic event-the airport is negligible, as airport safeguards and flight times make zombies on a plane a moment of personal horror as opposed to a major threat.

Drugs gone wrong? I love it!

If an infected person gets on the plane it could take hours for them to become "zombified", and thus after the plane lands, further spreading the infection.


This is mentioned in WWZ in regards to black market organ transplants, a man got an infected organ from West China and flew to France but fell ill on the plane but was released. Soon he was clawing at his hotel room door and Paris had it's first outbreak.

I'm not sure about the whole reanimation taking a few seconds in the end but the in conditions occuring as stated plus drugs developed to boost one's immune system, the body will develop a natural immunity to the virus that will actually slow it down. After a bite the victim will die and reanimate at first in about an hours but we could cut it down reasonably to twenty minutes maybe even fifteen.

Okay. So fast AND slow zombies, ground zero(s) will all be en four Cnian cities, one will be on the border of another nation, (any offers?), and two with large airports, my nation will have open borders for atleast two weeks (probably a month) to let the large enough amount of "zombies" get out. It won't be a virus, but rather a suppressant that impedes a person's motor skills varying (thus why some can and some can't run.) and causes them to attack humans any way possible, but once there has been a transference of thee drug (or atleast a bit after) they let off a different odor due to the drugs. However, there is no possible way to replicate this smell/pheromone, and the only way to save an infect is to cut off the limb en five minutes. It can also be transfered by biting, or blood on blood transference (thus fighting a zombie bare-knuckles would lead to almost 100% chance of infection, a little known fact en the early days of the breakouts.) That cool?

Just a thought, but if it is a pheromonal thing, or perhaps a conceivable airborne combatable via the human immune system, wouldn't that put those with weakened immune systems at risk?
Basically, the bite pretty much locks it down, but the pheromonal aspect is easily defeated by the human immune system-those afflicted are taken to hospitals, where the weaker, pheromonal version easily overtakes the systems of those with HIV, or those in the last stages of AIDS. Like in many episodes of "House", multiple conditions bring about confusion of the actual disease, as well as obfuscate it's transmission.
The zombie phenomenon is going to be something quite new in the early stages, and it's quite possible diagnosticians who stumble on the truth will be claimed by the zombie onslaught before they can make their findings public...

I honestly couldn't understand most of that, but from what I could it sounded perfectly fine, so if everyone else likes it then, sure.

Onward to zombie glory!

Have we decided on a tech era yet?

Have we decided on a tech era yet?

Rule #1 about tech levels on NS:
"Things only work because we believe that they will work"(tm) (http://www.hookiedookiepanic.com/geist/comic.php?ID=29)

Hence why we are doing zombies.

Trains win BTW (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0068713/)
It just cooler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah-DbrJFQUw)

LOL

Hurtful Thoughts, you have some of the most random/awesome post

Mt.

random thoughts indeed but on a serious note, what tech we going with, WWI Era?

Modern Tech.

Then I'm out.

What tech do you all want?

I thought that this was leaning towards WWII...

I prefer modern, just to keep the WWZ feel to it

as long as it doesn't seem impossible to win with the tech im good with it

This is... an interesting concept.

I'm wondering exactly how this will happen, though... will it be like a 'what if' or will it be as official as anything on NS can be? If the former, I'll allow my nation to be put at risk, for kicks. If the latter... I kinda have other plans going on that would make this sorta hard to do.

I am hoping it is a What if situation...if it is to affect us permanently we would have to have it affect people who are not here.

It's going to be a "what if", so WWI, WWII or mordern??

Is this a Character or Nation roleplay?

Nation.

Oh.

You should make a poll for timeframe.

I vote WWII, though.

Can I attach it to this thread?

should beable to(should be an option while editing the op)

WWII would be a problem for my assistance in donating a ravaged nation.

Since... my nation was still just called Poland at that time and had soviet troops marching through. Modern allows this to spread to all of the Eastern Bloc and North Africa.

Sorry, very busy week. I'm going to be putting up the poll thread now.

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You called?

I might be interested in taking part, curious what tech era you're doing with and all that.

WWII will be more interesting for tactics before all the guided missiles and such but early jets and such and heavy explosives we will see just what works out

You called?

I might be interested in taking part, curious what tech era you're doing with and all that.
Yeah, they trying WW1+2 tech, inter-war shiznit stuff, perhaps due to that lil explosion in Siberia back in 1909-1921 or so...

Thought they'd benifit by hearing your two cents on what an RP of that sort would look like...

The Tunguska Event was in 1908...though alot of people seem to blame Tesla for it.

Well, from the poll it's kind of leaning towards MT, last time I check anyways.

This sounds kind of interesting, I would like to join if its not to late. I would feel more comfortable with MT/PMT (mostly PMT for me) than anything else and perhaps we could get a poll going for what type of zombies we should face (If you haven't done it already), just like you guys did with the era.

fast and slow ones. and yes u can join.

is this nation or character RP?

nation, unless the op changed the focus.

Nation. Post going to be up within the week. Sorry, life's busy lately.

Alright cool, I'll be ready when it starts. This will be interesting for my nation considering we've never faced zombies before. Ustia will be totally unprepared for this.

Will this be MT or Past tech... I kinda want Past tech to make the encounter much more interesting (less developed telecommunications therefore more time for zombies to come about before more serious response is possible, less powerful weapons, etc...)

I want Past tech but I want in if its anything except FT...

ready when you are

From the poll it's probably guna be MT.

Should we make a map for this or something? Or stick with how our nations are located as they are?...

Yea same geography, but we're all connected. If that's fine with everyone else. And I was thinking about making it 1950-1970s. Even though the poll showed otherwise, MT might make it too easy.

so when does this start?

Well when it comes to zombies technology doesn't matter, especially if your weapons are designed to fight a conventional war. I think considering the majority want MT we should just stick with present day. However I'm not entirely clear about what type of zombies were going to have, all I know is that there is going to be fast and slow zombies. Could someone go into detail about them? Like the amount of time before reanimation? Or the way the disease is transferred and so on.

I for one like the compromise, I read the Zombie survival book and there are plenty of things that don't make sense, such as artillery and shrapnel not killing zombies... It would, because both would still have a high chance of destroying the brain. But that's besides the issue.

I dunno, too modern times gives us unmanned weaponry and all this high tech stuff, and plus the second one thing happens every nation would realistically close their borders thanks to the information age and halt the spread, we need and older time period where the disease can get around before the quarantine and the armies...

Truly, I would think that a country could easily defeat zombies if it felt like it. Really, now, if zombies took over a city, would you not nuke it, given the huge populations of NSEarth? If zombies launched an assault against you, would you not just shoot the crap out of them all the while bombing them with artillery? Would you not start burying people in concrete blocks? On a national level, the response should be rapid, not all slow like in Resident Evil. You wouldn't send one or two people against a huge zombie outbreak. It's silly.

Just my opinion.

Exactly Just Hand a Man a Molotov, Chuck it at a Hord and take out like 60 Zombies in one Chuck


Brilliant i think us in the Comintern would Use our Alliance to benefit us if all hell Broke lose

I Mean we Have Surpluses of the Following:

AK47
AK74
AK101
AKM
Type56
AK103
AK107
PPS
Molotov Cocktails

They are our National Weapons

I for one like the compromise, I read the Zombie survival book and there are plenty of things that don't make sense, such as artillery and shrapnel not killing zombies... It would, because both would still have a high chance of destroying the brain. But that's besides the issue.

I dunno, too modern times gives us unmanned weaponry and all this high tech stuff, and plus the second one thing happens every nation would realistically close their borders thanks to the information age and halt the spread, we need and older time period where the disease can get around before the quarantine and the armies...
*Agrees*

It's just no fun otherwise, that or it's just this one isolated case in the middle of remote-nowhere involving just a handful of 'survivors' that are pre-emptively straight-fucked but simply don't realize it.
(See also: Aliens (whole set), Dead-Space, Storm of the Century, 30 days of Night, 28 days later)

Honestly, by 1950, USA has enough bullets alone to kill the undead 28-times over...
Failing that, a kitchen-knife in every corpse...
It's only a matter of opprotunity and distribution...

By 1970, either Russia OR USA could each, individually, incinerate an entire nation into sheet-glass at the push of a button after a mere phone-call...

In WWZ the only nation to react was Israel China dident give anyone any information they said the reason they isolated themselfs was "Taiwan"
so nobody But Israel found out and thus
ALL HELL BROKE LOSE

But in the end the Humans won

*Agrees*

It's just no fun otherwise, that or it's just this one isolated case in the middle of remote-nowhere involving just a handful of 'survivors' that are pre-emptively straight-fucked but simply don't realize it.
(See also: Aliens, Dead-Space, Storm of the Century, 30 days of Night, 28 days later)

Yeah, for real.

I just think anything pre-70's as suggested by Buddha C would work good I think, it would be funner to RP than **click, satellite will be over target area ETA 2 minutes** kinda thing. Or with all the crap they have in Future Weapons and the even more powerful weapons people have here in NS. At least forty years ago it would make the zombies a bit more threatening and more of a challenge.

I would be ok with the 50's to 70's idea its just I don't see how those eras could make much of difference to modern times. I mean you have the basics throughout (artillery, tanks, machine guns, bombers, fighters and so on) the only difference is information technology really. No matter what time period we choose (50's on up) the amount of time it takes till the world finds out about a Zombie infestation will be fairly short. So why bother? UAV's and satellites won't do much against a horde of zombies. All they'll basically do is show you in a crystal clear picture that a ton of zombies are coming towards you and your screwed. Of course there are fairly armed UAV's out there but they usually don't carry much fire power with them. Anyways that's just my two cents.

Ustia, you would know just as much as I do how much a difference Information can make... Plus I've seen some of your UCAV's that look like they can put up one hell of a fight you know ;)

I opted for WWII era kinda of thing but I would gladly take a compromise to a little later, but again guys don't get me wrong I'm just as fine doing Modern Tech, infact I almost exclusively have RP'd that on here but Past tech would be more interesting really.

Miyager, you're hung way too much upon Kalishnikovs to look at the bigger soviet picture...
Not everything was best solved by an AK-somethingorother...

Although they come close, the sgt didn't invent tanks.

For me, I'd like to see an zeke-RP around the Tunguska event and then exploding on the global-scale sometime around mid-WWI and continuing into 1930...

By that time, modern tactics had been theorised, and would be tried in 'quiet zones' or if things got out of control, medicine was vastly impoving, journalism had yet to learn the ethics of reporting, and the average farmer/rancher was still supersticious as hell.

Miyager, you're hung way too much upon Kalishnikovs to look at the bigger soviet picture...
Not everything was best solved by an AK-somethingorother...

Although they come close, the sgt didn't invent tanks.

For me, I'd like to see an zeke-RP around the Tunguska event and then exploding on the global-scale sometime around mid-WWI and continuing into 1930...

By that time, modern tactics had been theorised, and would be tried in 'quiet zones' or if things got out of control, medicine was vastly impoving, journalism had yet to learn the ethics of reporting, and the average farmer/rancher was still supersticious as hell.

That to me sounds like a good idea. =)

Yeah my UCAV's are pretty good but they aren't armed with very much weaponry really, at least nothing compared to a fighter/bomber. Now WWII gear I'd be fine with, I'd use German weaponry considering my countries significant german heritage.

I would *skips over seven pages of stuff* be interested in some sort of Zombie RP, if that is what WWZ is (seems rather obvious). They're getting really popular now, aren't they?

Yeah the whole Zombie thing sprouted like 3 threads I've counted so far... Anyways, Ustia wouldn't you want to use some fine German equipment from WWII? ;)

I would use mostly Russian equipment plus the few stuff I have made up that fits the time zone like my Nomarov bolt-action rifle (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Nomarov_Rifle), I've never RP'd with it though, it being pretty much ancient.

Yeah I just said that in my last post. I'm totally fine with WWII gear. I LOVE WWII German equipment, there stuff is so cool!

now would this be before the war, the first year, at the end or after WWII? because there is quite a difference between the start and the end.(tech wise and other ways)

Ending WW2 would float the boat I guess since everyone would have a wider array of equipment to choose from, especially all of the weird crap people tried to introduce near the end of that war.

Ending WWII would be good. Thats when all the really interesting German equipment had come along.

Agreed if we go WWII we should do the end of it.

Ending WW2 would float the boat I guess since everyone would have a wider array of equipment to choose from, especially all of the weird crap people tried to introduce near the end of that war.
Not really, France and Germany had some pretty wierd shit on the table during WW1. (Machine-pistols, knife-pistols, hand-trebuchets for IEDs, novelty landmines, radios, portable heliographs, "improvised ghillie-suits", 37-mm man-cannons... and a turret-mounted recoiless rifle of some sort for shooting down blimps*...)

Do you really need jet-powered trains when you already have rocket-sleds?

Helicopters... FFS, why? We already has autogyroes, blimps, and rough-field capable STOL-craft as standard!

I think the main reason why so many ppl voted "MT" is because they want to RP with their pre-existing stat-blocks of NS/MT mish-mashes rather than take a dive off the deep-end for a real challenge by using stuff they hardly knew about.

*I'm not making this shit up, those babies where mounted even before MGs where even concieved as aircraft-mounts on Voisins...

Not in my case. In mine... my nation just didn't exist at the time. It wasn't formed into one until the late fifties and didn't get any sort of military strength until about the mid 1990s.

Have fun, though.

Not in my case. In mine... my nation just didn't exist at the time. It wasn't formed into one until the late fifties and didn't get any sort of military strength until about the mid 1990s.

Have fun, though.

I thought the whole point of this is that it's non-canon -- that's why I want to participate, even though I currently run a FT nation which consists of a colonization mission from Earth about 300 years from now.

I voted WWII because it was so radically different from what I typically do.

End of WWII seems good.

Agreed, end of WW2 would be good and very different from the usual zombie setting.

When can we expect this RP to start, just to ask?

I think someone said at the end of the week, but I'm not too sure about that. Soon I hope.

Miyager, you're hung way too much upon Kalishnikovs to look at the bigger soviet picture...
Not everything was best solved by an AK-somethingorother...

Although they come close, the sgt didn't invent tanks.

For me, I'd like to see an zeke-RP around the Tunguska event and then exploding on the global-scale sometime around mid-WWI and continuing into 1930...

By that time, modern tactics had been theorised, and would be tried in 'quiet zones' or if things got out of control, medicine was vastly impoving, journalism had yet to learn the ethics of reporting, and the average farmer/rancher was still supersticious as hell.



Kalishnakovs have been known as the classic Zombie survival weapons

Kalishnakovs have been known as the classic Zombie survival weapons

Just have to ask, have you handled and fired a rifle?

The reason why I'm asking is that from my own experience I've been better at hitting targets with a good old bolt-action rifle rather than an assualt rifle and/or semi-automatic rifle.

Just have to ask, have you handled and fired a rifle?

The reason why I'm asking is that from my own experience I've been better at hitting targets with a good old bolt-action rifle rather than an assualt rifle and/or semi-automatic rifle.

Agreed, but for Zombie hordes I would probably feel better with a Kalashnikov over a Springfield any day.

Depends, if head shots are required the bolt action gives you that ability over a greater range. I love the Kalash and the 7.62 but if you have to hit the brain a 30-30 is a nice round hardly the slightest felt recoil with a decent range. I believe Savage, and Remington still have fairly common bolt 30-30s, but again, since your shooting for the head no reason a lever action wouldnt suffice.

Fair dues.

Though I would rather take either a Renault FT 17 or a Medium Mark A Whippet over a firearm...least with tank I'll the protection of an armoured shell and the added advantage of being able to run over the zeds.

Kalishnakovs have been known as the classic Zombie survival weapons
No.

Fair dues.

Though I would rather take either a Renault FT 17 or a Medium Mark A Whippet over a firearm...least with tank I'll the protection of an armoured shell and the added advantage of being able to run over the zeds.

Hahaha, yeah... With a tank though you'd see me driving away from the combat zone, or infestation zone or whatever, rather than towards it =P

AB foam and a pointy stick.

Kalishnakovs have been known as the classic Zombie survival weapons

Sure, dude. Keep telling yourself that. You'll run out of ammo. But:

Swords don't need reloading.

-snip-

Meh, swords take way too much effort to keep on slicing threw zombies, and the sword requires you to make the zombies get very close which would be overly dangerous....


This is going off topic, this isn't a zombie survival discussion we should be discussing how we are going to get this RP going...

yeah if you want to discuss zombie survival go here (http://ww2.zombieinitiative.org/)

*goes back to lurking awaiting the IC thread*

Yeah lets get this going! I want to kill me some zombies! :tongue: :mp5:

:eek2::eek2: :gundge:
:eek2::eek2::eek2::mp5:

Ajalalalalalalalalaaa!

*BOOM!*

sorry,

premature detonation

Just have to ask, have you handled and fired a rifle?

The reason why I'm asking is that from my own experience I've been better at hitting targets with a good old bolt-action rifle rather than an assualt rifle and/or semi-automatic rifle.



Yes
I Own an AK47
its for "Home Defense" Incase of "Burgalary"

Yes
I Own an AK47
its for "Home Defense" Incase of "Burgalary"

I call BS.

Literally, pics or GTFO.

((Watch out, Tiger, he may logout on you.))

Oh, he showed me

((May I see?))

I meant that he 'showed me' by disappearing. That message was supposed to be all caps, but Jolt accounts for that.

He doesn't have an AK, and he isn't gonna post anything.

Kalishnakovs have been known as the classic Zombie survival weapons
No.
No, the AK really isn't a classic, usually it's some old darn-fangled parlor-gun some hick-survivor picks up when rummaging through a building they broke into (pretty much all Ramero movies [lever action .22, Scoped Ultra-V Magnum, and a brace of .357 Magnum revolvers, in that order], and even Shaun of the Dead [a "winchester" Shotgun]).

As for wether or not he has one for home defense, I'm not too inclined to care unless you try bringing it into my house while loaded and without my permission, in which case we'll see how a bolt-action .63 cal smoothbore compares @ less than 10 meters.

Meh, swords take way too much effort to keep on slicing threw zombies, and the sword requires you to make the zombies get very close which would be overly dangerous....

This is going off topic, this isn't a zombie survival discussion we should be discussing how we are going to get this RP going...
Yeah, with swords, you're pretty fucked if things even start to get ugly, it leaves you with less time to react to the horde's movements, and you'll tire fairly quickly compared to firing a shotgun and running away.

As for this "not being a discusion", titles says: Sign-up/OOC/Idea, and thus, left an open-door to critic the concept of a zombie menace actually being a huge problem in this day and age and how it would be dealt with by the governments. Or at least that's my rationalization...

-sinp-
As for this "not being a discusion", titles says: Sign-up/OOC/Idea, and thus, left an open-door to critic the concept of a zombie menace actually being a huge problem in this day and age and how it would be dealt with by the governments. Or at least that's my rationalization...

Ahahaha! loop-hole.... I like your style.... =D

After reviewing the site Chazaka posted, I'd call BS on over-complicating things, especially the DIY/planning sections...

The more reliable information, as nice and handy as it is, doesn't really consider the zombies as a threat at all after you survive the first 48 hours (They all assume there's someplace "safe" to run to, and attempt to make distinction between moving, hiding, and defending).
(Most of the DIY articles are badly/fataly flawed, yes, even the one on making fires*/maps**...)

rant ahead, because some of the stuff I read was fairly aggravating, so I feel like biting something's head off:
Prepared Cotton Balls are cotton balls that have been soaked in petroleum jelly or alcohol and allowed to dry
As for the tinder-list, only under very certain conditions are they suitable.
As for soaking something in alchohol or other distilate and then letting it evaporate away... How does I waste lighter-fluid?
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The map, with the effort youd put into making a halfway-decent one, you could have simply memorized the basics and a "plan A" and hope your wits are good enough for you to invent a "plan B" that works (I'm having a harder time thinking up a response to 101st while keeping a bedside manner in a zombie-RP more than actually dealing with zombies and other post-apocolyptic horrors).

As for the 'weapons'... One is a slingshot, the other is a potato-gun, the last is a multi-gun mount for a truck-bed... And although the slingshot is somewhat practical, the design they gave was over-engineered into an ersatz-ballista/blowgun.

My survival plan is as follows;

Note down locations of usable weapons, thats usually the local Army Cadets and TA detactments.

Locate a tower block of flats, a fair few of 'em round where I live. Barricade/blockade the ground floor...taking it impossible to get in and get through. Make sure I have enough rope to be able to climb to and from a first floor balcony and (ideally if I have a group with me) post a lookout right on the roof.

Oh and make sure the tower block is zed-free, one floor and a flat at a time...figured a fair few of the doors will be locked.

Commender a vehicle (one without a sodding car alarm) and use to go and raid local shops, allotments and supermarkets for food.

If it all look to be long-term, probably make plans for a 'farm compound' with a couple of guards.

After reviewing the site Chazaka posted, I'd call BS on over-complicating things, especially the DIY/planning sections...

The more reliable information, as nice and handy as it is, doesn't really consider the zombies as a threat at all after you survive the first 48 hours (They all assume there's someplace "safe" to run to, and attempt to make distinction between moving, hiding, and defending).
(Most of the DIY articles are badly/fataly flawed, yes, even the one on making fires*/maps**...)

rant ahead, because some of the stuff I read was fairly aggravating, so I feel like biting something's head off:

As for the tinder-list, only under very certain conditions are they suitable.
As for soaking something in alchohol or other distilate and then letting it evaporate away... How does I waste lighter-fluid?
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The map, with the effort youd put into making a halfway-decent one, you could have simply memorized the basics and a "plan A" and hope your wits are good enough for you to invent a "plan B" that works (I'm having a harder time thinking up a response to 101st while keeping a bedside manner in a zombie-RP more than actually dealing with zombies and other post-apocolyptic horrors).

As for the 'weapons'... One is a slingshot, the other is a potato-gun, the last is a multi-gun mount for a truck-bed... And although the slingshot is somewhat practical, the design they gave was over-engineered into an ersatz-ballista/blowgun.

Among many more mistakes you can find such as in the Zombie Survival Book, how it claims .22 cal bullets are effective because the penetrate the skull but then can't penetrate the back so they ricochet like little pinballs in there....

But seriously, can we get back to the discussion of the RP and not how we are planning for the Zombie apocalypse.

.223 is perfectly suitable round for head penetration there are many kinds of "22s" and if you have any doubts about what .22 can do by all means allow yourself to be shot with an M16(5.56mm == .22).

To the question on national response, well one need only examine the response to national disasters in real life to see WWZ(Book) can paint a fairly likely first response.

Especially if you guys are going with 1930-1940 era, disaster response for this would suck ass, and look at how the infection vectors.

My nation militarily would be using large caliber battle rifle in 7.92mm range(which isnt my personal first choice but it follows my nations character). However the prolific amount of arms dispersed to my populace makes my nation less then vulnerable. As well as the RP'd layout. My primary hamstring is lack of border security.

My citizens will be in trouble once this gets rolling considering my strict gun restrictions and the fact none of them have ever faced zombies before. If an infestation starts early in my nation, I'll be relatively screwed. I'm also pretty sure Neo will use some pretty ethically questionable tactics to contain the infestation. Ain't that right Neo? :wink:

Agreed, earlier the time period then more of a disaster it would be.

I've RP'd my nation as having an outbreak that happened in December 1905 (christmas leave is such a wonderful thing) and is still stuggling a bit to contain the outbreak even today.

Christmas time would make this much, much worse for everyone involved, except of course if your country doesn't celebrate Christmas...

My citizens will be in trouble once this gets rolling considering my strict gun restrictions and the fact none of them have ever faced zombies before. If an infestation starts early in my nation, I'll be relatively screwed. I'm also pretty sure Neo will use some pretty ethically questionable tactics to contain the infestation. Ain't that right Neo? :wink:

Haha... But of course it wouldn't be me if it weren't for the perfectly (un)ethical military procedures I use to deal with just about anything...

It would be interesting, my nation in a 1940's time period... My industrial sectors would have citizens armed mostly with handguns (my nation, as per NS rankings, is somewhere around 600 most armed in the world if you remember that Ustia ;) ) and in agrarian areas there would be rifles and shotguns that are used mostly for hunting. Though of course they've never faced zombies before.

My military would rely mostly on T-34 tanks and other French designs from WWII, but otherwise mostly Russian vehicles. I am going to draw up some weapons and vehicles to use since I prefer that Erusea has its own domestic equipment. I don't have many designs for this era....

Haha... But of course it wouldn't be me if it weren't for the perfectly (un)ethical military procedures I use to deal with just about anything... :tongue:

Heheh... Well now I am Photoshopping a Type 99 machine gun, since I don't wanna draw from scratch and it indeed looks nicer to have a real looking gun than a drawing.

lol the damn thing looks like it has a mohawk... linky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_99_Light_Machine_Gun)

Headshots aren't required.

Headshots aren't required.

That's good, seeing how muscles and the brain itself need blood to survive but supposedly (according to WWZ and Survival Guide) you can destroy everything from the neck down, and that zombie can bite your foot five days later and infect you.....

Anyways, I've made up some weapons for myself to use for the RP now, generally around the WWII and afterwards period so I'm good now. Ustia I know your using German equipment if we do this so I made most of my guns use the 7.92 Mauser bullet...

List of my weapons (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Category:Weapons_of_Neo-Erusea)

Christmas time would make this much, much worse for everyone involved, except of course if your country doesn't celebrate Christmas...
Yes, it would make for something awful in a 1940's timeframe located around Russia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbIrpwLGhq0)...

Yeah, that typhoid outbrake didn't help them much either...
Which alone acounted for 50,000 deaths...
*There have been consperacy theories (http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/1/Rudolf88-90.html) that this was in fact, a crudely weaponized form of biological warfare.

So why not replace Typhoid with zombies from Tunguska? (Assuming there are zombies at all, and not just epic Soviet/Fascist propoganda at work to get allied help fighting weach other)
Course, the Swedes and Americans would have some idea what they were up against...

Tunguska event... I don't remember quite what that was, something about an asteroid in Russia or something?

Wasn't it an asteroid or meteor (I can't remember which one you call it) that landed in Siberia or close around there in the early 1900's?

Wasn't it an asteroid or meteor (I can't remember which one you call it) that landed in Siberia or close around there in the early 1900's?

Something like that... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_(series)#Setting) Lol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZw5jBFhfHc)
The T-event has been the stuff of fantasy stories for quite some time...

So, your call on whether it's bio-warfare gone wrong during WW2 (plot of Wolfenstien BTW), medical science gone bad in WW1 (H.P. Lovecraft: Herbert West: re-animator)or something screwy in Tunguska...

Well nobody's 100% on what caused the Tunguska event, which was an atomic bomb-like explosion equal to around a third of the power of the Tsar Bomb. It was in midair and had radioactive fallout, alot of the natives and wildlife in the area fell extremely ill after the incident and it was discovered to be radiation sickness several years later.

An asteroid is the commonly excepted cause, a few claim it was an ufo crash landing.

Okay, so here we need to decide what causes the zombie apocalypse and what nation it starts in, and where within that nation. I think we are going with end WWII time period since nobody has mentioned MT for a few pages now, but we need to have these things decided on.

Slow and Fast Zombies
Experimental Drug sold to terrorists
1970 I'm thinking if that's fine with everyone?
Start en my nation, but I need someone to volunteer for it to be the second nation.

Slow and Fast Zombies
Experimental Drug sold to terrorists
1970 I'm thinking if that's fine with everyone?
Start en my nation, but I need someone to volunteer for it to be the second nation.

Fine with 1970, yeah I guess. Not preferred but I would go with it...

Zombies, don't require headshots correct?

Slow and Fast Zombies
Experimental Drug sold to terrorists*
1970 I'm thinking if that's fine with everyone?
Start en my nation, but I need someone to volunteer for it to be the second nation.
Ah, Hurtian military project 'hades'...
Would be a tad bit of a stretch to get slow-movers though, unless their legs or balance gets fucked-up...

But then again.. people doped up on stimulants don't run too well...

As for getrtting it into 1970's timeline, alternate history of MK-ULTRA and buggerd-all chemistry atta do it...

Hurtian project... You proprosing it starts in your nation here?

Hurtian project... You proprosing it starts in your nation here?
It kinda did, Monodoth resorted to firebombing them... Then things got FUN...

Perhaps a re-make on that bit of Hurtian (alt-?)history?
Like me either not having a nice cute lil island to test that stuff on, them being able to swim/capture boats better, or it simply getting airborn and fucking the world over on a Sumerian torture stick?

1970 will do, and I like the whole Hurtian project. Not so sure about an airborne virus though.

Flu?

And on a related note 1918/9 would had been more interesting considering the amount of war dead and the flu epidemic.

1970 will do, and I like the whole Hurtian project. Not so sure about an airborne virus though.

Flu?

And on a related note 1918/9 would had been more interesting considering the amount of war dead and the flu epidemic.

Well, to add fun, it makes prominent mention in my first 6 RPs (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10388093&postcount=17) (which are of admitedly low quality, one even involves a warcraft III plot, most of my tech-level/history wasn't developed yet).

But it tries to make one thing clear, THE HURTIANS COVERED IT UP, or at least, tried very hard to make sure nobody knew nybody goofed.

Something similar to the cover-up associated with the Chernobyl disaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster) and 1979 Anthrax-leak (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB61/). So the vast majority involved would either be test-subjects, lab-technicians, Hurtian bystanders/islanders, or NKVD/MVD-esque Hurtian agents making sure there are no surviving witnesses/carriers.

Course, a few crazy ones could/would escape, perhaps as carriers of the disease... to start the whole mess over again someplace else, and obligating the Hurtians* to send a "clean-up crew"...

*Likewise for anyone else who has developed or is seeking a similar bio-weapon in spite of the apparent risk of blowback/self-contamination.
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And next I'll have to RP how most of the Hurtian "Super soldier programs" were really just big shams for funding/imbezelment...
On second thought, nah, I'll just let that puzzle teh noobies...

well, let's see, at the time of 1970s Mokastana was a developing nation, who only ruled over a Cuba shaped island, and split into multiple factions.

Of course I could always just RA3 a time warp history to make it some unified Empire

depends on the set up i guess

well, let's see, at the time of 1970s Mokastana was a developing nation, who only ruled over a Cuba shaped island, and split into multiple factions.

Of course I could always just RA3 a time warp history to make it some unified Empire

depends on the set up i guess
Well, this is going to be a semi-non-canon RP that lies outside general continuity...

Because, well, any epic-sized zombue-war from the past (1970s) would kinda screw over all our nation histories...

I forgot, is there a rule about alternate history threads?

only if you take over the roles of a rl country then do the same incidents. such as you are United States I'm the Soviet Union now lets do the cold war.

How 'bout, In an alternate NS timeline in the year 1940 with accompanying tech a world war leads to the neglect and growth of the zombie problem to a global pandemic?

How 'bout, In an alternate NS timeline in the year 1940 with accompanying tech a world war leads to the neglect and growth of the zombie problem to a global pandemic?

So something like the Typhus/Tuleremia epidemic in Stalingrad being NOT Tuleremia, but instead something zombie related and involving an incident on par with an NS Tunguska?

Except, well, instead of USSR, there'd be whatever came before my country (and a few others, I'd have been more on par with Manchuria at that time), and instead of Germany, it would be NS's favorite fascist nation. And ultimately tech would be wonked-over worse than the Resistance-series.

Lol, I'll be using Pe-2s, Il-4s, and Po-2s... DSvK-12.7, PTRDs... WooT and what-not...

Well, this is going to be a semi-non-canon RP that lies outside general continuity...

Because, well, any epic-sized zombue-war from the past (1970s) would kinda screw over all our nation histories...

true, so since this is a side history RP....

*has crazy scientist go back in time to make Mokastana a superpower by eliminating key leaders in 1940s by shaking their hands*

BOOM! Mokastana now has an Huge Empire in 1960s

And since we would be across the Atlantic, we are safe...

*opens shipping lanes*

Alright, so which is it going to be? 1940's era? or 1970's? We keep on bouncing back and forth here.

wow still discussing this....man talk about long debate..

1970. Still don't have time to put up main thread, sorry. :-/

1970. Still don't have time to put up main thread, sorry. :-/

Don't sweet it Buddha C, I'm in no hurry. It'll be interesting to see Vietnam Era weaponry being used in a Zombie war.

Sooner or later would be nice I think... No rush though, I've got another week without school so whatever....

Hello? Where did everybody go? :(
Oh god.... :eek2::eek2: :eek: :eek2::eek2:

Zombies!!! =O

Zombies!!! =O

Oh wait, Neo's here. Hold on one second..... :gas:
There we go.

It didn't work

:eek2::eek2::mp5:

run I'll hold them off!

JESUS CHRIST!!!
I'M RUNNING!!!:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:--------->:gas:

:eek2::eek2::mp::eek2::eek2:

They're getting through!!!

Hold Them off!!! :soap:

Fight to the bitter end!!!
:eek2::mp5::sniper::eek2:
:eek2::mp5::sniper::eek2:

(I used too many smilies at first :tongue:)

:gas: :sniper:

Over here amigos!!!

Vietnam+zombies anyone? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellshock_2:_Blood_Trails)

That sounds very familiar to what we're going to do, what are the odds of that?

Hahaha, I opted for WWII but Vietnam era technology (plus Napalm bombs, haha) sounds interesting anyways.

Hahaha, I opted for WWII but Vietnam era technology (plus Napalm bombs, haha) sounds interesting anyways.
That's exactly what I was thinking Neo :D

Not bothered either way.

Been playing Battlefield: Vietnam like mad lately..

Oh BF: Vietnam, I used to play that so much.

I loved playing as the VC and the NVA, although setting up booby traps was pretty much useless online but against the computer those bamboo sticks worked so well it didn't make sense...

That's a good game. I played it a few times at one of my friends house. Anyways I'm cool with 1970, the whole Napalming side of it sounds fun.

Woot Napalm!

Soviet tech, and I'm still probably going to use the random weapons I made up for the WWII era, along with the trusty AK-47...

*Starts chanting*

Napalm! Napalm! Napalm!

BOOM!!!

Disco inferno! Burn baby burn!

BOOM!!!

Disco inferno! Burn baby burn!

:tongue:
Your a crazy one Neo!

The thing about BF: Vietnam for me is that when playing against the computer I'm usually very good in the AA role that the computer just gives up using aircraft and so I switch to tank hunting with that Soviet AA-tank.:rolleyes:

next your going to say drop the nukes right?

I have a quick question about how the zombies work according to zombie survival guide/World War Z.

If the heart, lungs, and all other vital organs fail and the respiratory, circulatory, and digestive systems are non-functional, how can the muscles of the body be used? They would all be dead and unable to function.

Also, would nerve gas have any effect on a zombie? It does affect the brain and nervous system and can be absorbed through the skin.

Also, would nerve gas have any effect on a zombie? It does affect the brain and nervous system and can be absorbed through the skin.

on true, WWZ and survival guide zombies no(unless it specifically targeted the virus that made the zombies)(acutally on any traditional (movie/book/video game) zombies that res the newly dead gas attack probably won't work at all), on our zombies maybe.

yeah ACTUAL "biology" and "science" stuff doesn't really apply to zombies....

apparently being dead means they don't have to obey the rules anymore...

well zombies were still once human, or living any way so they are made of organic compounds, so just use a chemical weapon the break down those compounds

It would work I think but then again you don't want the nerve gas to backfire on your own people...

Idea I had.

I've already been RPing my nation as being overrun in 1905 and I really haven't touched much on the scientific ways to contain the zeds. I figure some medical boffins trying to produce various different potions and anti-aging drugs amongst other things, plus a side project which didn't work so well.

So anyway I was thinking that some of Morrdh's research material gets stolen, some of it ends up in the hands of the Hurtian military and a experimental drug is produced and then sold to black markets round the world (a 'trail' as if it were) and it pretty much causes the zombie outbreak.

Since Budda C has stated he's a bit busy at the moment, how about running a prelogue RP to set up the scene for the main RP?

I'm down for it. Where is Hurtful thoughts though?

I am quite interested in a zombie RP and this one (having read the entire thread) seems relatively original. However, since this would be the first time I RPed in these forums, could someone telegram me with a few pointers on how to RP by "nation" rather than by character? I think I get the basics, but I'd like to get a clearer picture from people more familiar with the process.

Just to introduce my nation a bit (I'll try to keep it short), it's pretty much a grouping of several megacorporations that have jurisdiction over most of the country, the exception being designated government areas. The government mainly exists to guarantee its citizens rights (it's sort of a UN on a national level), though it has other purposes as well. The rest of the country is controlled by the megacorps and all of the companies, firms, etc., that they each control, though they do follow the laws set by the government for "fair play" purposes.

Getting back to the zombie RP, my nation doesn't "officially" exist in the 1970s (It's more Information Age and beyond), though the megacorps have formed alliances with each other and have already taken hold of several countries that will later form Future Tech, with footholds in others. Anyway, the megacorps decide to gear the countries toward containing the zombie threat (once it gets out) due to them being a "threat to corporate interests". Depending on the severity of the zombie threat, nation-wide quarantines can be expected, along with the mobilization of the countries' [relatively small] armies. It being the '70s, the megacorps/the countries probably have access to (if not producing) armaments of the era that they can use to contain Zack and control their spread.

Anyway, telegram me with the pointers and any comments and I'll take them into consideration.

Since Budda C has stated he's a bit busy at the moment, how about running a prelogue RP to set up the scene for the main RP?

I'm fine with a prelogue RP, sounds kind of cool really. I think MCI (Military Command and Intelligence) could fit right into this.

You and your little CIA Ustia....

Well, we should get started then soon huh?

Well I'm waiting for Hurtful Thoughts to reply, thats presuming if we're going with the stolen reserch idea.

You and your little CIA Ustia....

Well, we should get started then soon huh?

:tongue:

Gotta love MCI
Of course its going to be in 1970 so my Dark Agents wont exist....yet. Anyways, we should get this started soon. It seems this prelogue will involve Morrdh and Hurtful Thoughts mostly. My involvement will most likely be Intelligence gathering, of course that's always fun.

I can't wait for this to start, really. It's been long enough of a wait I think.

I totally agree Neo, this will be an interesting one.

Happy New Year yay.... Now that its 2009 hopefully this will get started...

id like to join but im but ive never done any nation RP'ing in these forums before so any telegram tips would be a help,
also my nation is new so in the 70's ill just say all tubaui encompassed
was a tiny island cluster in the middle of nowhere . . .

Tubaui you have a TG...

Sorry guys, but this Ideal War is totally taking up the time I have to post on here, I guarantee I'll post it, just hope y'all don't lose interest by then. :-(

Its ok dude.

I've offered to run a prologue RP to keep people interested until you can start yours.

Trouble is I doubt Hurtful Thoughts will be able to take part, the TG I got wasn't that clear.

So I need somebody to be the person/nation who recieves the stolen research and develop an experimental drug from it. ;)

That's alright, as long as the experimental drugs happens in an isolated nations where no one else will have the ability to gain zombie-killing experience from it. ;-)

So I need somebody to be the person/nation who recieves the stolen research and develop an experimental drug from it. ;)

I think Neo would be a good candidate for that. Sounds like something his nation would do. I'll go ask him.

well hopefully he agree's we need a smaller nation to do this since if a large nation like mine did it i'd easily have the military force to over power in pure fire power any zombish style infection, which of course is why with this RP i'd only send in a small group

Its ok dude.

I've offered to run a prologue RP to keep people interested until you can start yours.

Trouble is I doubt Hurtful Thoughts will be able to take part, the TG I got wasn't that clear.

So I need somebody to be the person/nation who recieves the stolen research and develop an experimental drug from it. ;)
Basic info:
Zombies would be more similar to the fellows from 28 days (except a bit slower, growing steadily more lethargic to stimuli [pain/fear] as time goes on, so expect "Crawlers" towards the end, "ravers" in the begining, and "hunter-killers" in the middle), rather than the almost immune something-of-the-dead series, and generally lacking the hiearchy/class-system of the warcraft undead.

For the most part, they'd be anti-social and would tend to fight amongst themselves if in large groups.
(Sub-dividing it into loners, tight-knit 'packs', a few spontanious 'mobs' would develop if too much noise were made [so long-bursts of loud ammo is bad])

And for the sake of keeping theings difficult, they simply stop thinking rationally, so they'll still remember how to shoot guns, run, drive, swim, and vandalize shit. Though as things progress, they'll use simpler and less effective methods to achieve kills (howl for attention, and mob-rush the uninfected meatbags).



So, now the question is, would it be better for this to be a bit of a containment leak from the tests (allowing you to use your own stuff), or to hav the RP on just the testing grounds (which pretty much is just a Hurtian affair)? And then we'd have to figure out how it happened and how big to make it.

So I need somebody to be the person/nation who recieves the stolen research and develop an experimental drug from it
Five Points Mafia sells a modded "designer drug" for it, not as long lasting, wears off, and less incidence of violence. I could just say some pleab sent the wrong vial through the culture and shipped out weapons-grade stuff from the original batch instead of the diluted commercial stuff. That or contaminaion of some sort could occur...

But then we hit the 1970's tech barrier, which we'll just steamroll down by remembering this is non-canon, so everything is back to norm-ish, except no NS-tech gear unless designed FOR Past-tech (So no Ob-42 Underwear). This should keep some fellows from having to look-up some odd indig design.

Trouble is I doubt Hurtful Thoughts will be able to take part, the TG I got wasn't that clear.
THe upside about merely being the guy who throws zombie-mobs into a fray when they feel like it, is that I can get by with simply doing this (http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20081121).

Edit: Posted this as Hurtful posted, problem solved.
I like HT's idea for the zombies, its kinda original too compared to most of the zombie things I've seen before. Also, I have NS tech designed for pre-70's so I am ready...

This sounds very interesting, I look forward to do some RP in this. My nation mainly has 1970s tech anyway.

That's a cool idea with the zombies Hurtful, I like it. This will make the beginning even more crazy but yeah, the prologue will most likely involve a small amount of nations unless we of course change something.

That's a cool idea with the zombies Hurtful, I like it. This will make the beginning even more crazy but yeah, the prologue will most likely involve a small amount of nations unless we of course change something.
*Thinks about how it would get from point A to point B, then remembers the stockpile of Hatarian furry refugees I use for biological/chemical weapons testing, laughs maniacly*

*clears throat*

Fleas... Bed-bugs... lice... ticks... mosquitoes = Large-enough doesage to induce delusional paranoia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6ZF6QordNY). "He wouldn't give me any gas, lousy kraut..."

When you think of it, having patient-zero be military-trained lycanthrope on crack suffing from advanced stages of the zombie disease (the "biting" phase)... kinda works... Plus, we can see who can hunt a Hatarian.

But then I'm certain I'd need to seek his permission to start an out of continuity end of the world-ish thread with one of his creatures... With the promise that:

1- The word "Hataria" never be mentioned
2- He doesn't need to RP anything
3- He would be allowed to TG ideas for what patient zero should do
4- Would kinda resault in parody of Dracula taking a boat to england.
5- Oh lord... Think about it, a disease on a boat that ultimately causes the crew and passengers to get all homicidal...

*then remembers point-of-orgin has already been decided...

So who starts this?
Personally, I believe I've beaten this genre of gun-toting zombies to death...
There's a reason why the Parthians would rather try and carpet-bomb areas I occupy rather than face a few dug-in Hurtian Marines.

Wouldn't mind getting in on this as well, I do like Last Stands :)

I see....well this will be interesting to say the least. Trying to contain this shit is going to be almost impossible. So I'm guessing were going with the experimental drugs or whatever that somehow escapes threw the insects and other creatures?

Well with regards to the experimental drug idea, the prologue RP could focus on the drug making its way into the various nations' black markets. I'm also thinking the 'zombie' outbreak occurs after a period of a couple of months or so, regular dosage proves to be very toxic to the user or something along that line.

By that point an outbreak would be spread out across an entire nation, slums and ghettoes would prove to be a pain here... ;)

If people are happy with the idea then I could get the RP going next week.

Sounds good to me. :D

Well with regards to the experimental drug idea, the prologue RP could focus on the drug making its way into the various nations' black markets. I'm also thinking the 'zombie' outbreak occurs after a period of a couple of months or so, regular dosage proves to be very toxic to the user or something along that line.

By that point an outbreak would be spread out across an entire nation, slums and ghettoes would prove to be a pain here... ;)

If people are happy with the idea then I could get the RP going next week.

Interesting, I get it now. All the more reason to show you guys and remind Ustia how ruthless Erusea can be.

K, so who here:
A: Is a member of the Corprate Alliance (or even knows of them)
B: Has people willing to go to The Khornate Tribes (Or TWSP, we has a base there too) for a "vacation" in order to procure said "drugz".

Then we'd have to decide what kind of transportation is standard to cover NS-distances during a 70's era.

Trains are epic, planes are done to death, and boats are too easy to quarantine.
OFC, taking the drug while going through customs IS A BAD THING (tm)

But considering the 'disease' is a micro-biological narcotics factory (fungi-based, see also France 1951*), rather than narcotics...

*Hades got its name from its composition: "HE80", implying 80% content of biological agent "E" (a fungus) with biological agent "H" (a fairly harmless genetic virus) acting as a facilitator (it pretty much turns a part of the human body into a farmyard for the fungus, so affect upon other creatures would be minimal unless they took an insanely large dosage of the fungus, it also accelerates synthysis of narcotics, allowing non-human carriers to remain relatively unaffected unless their immune-system is severely compromised).

The black-market drug would generally be an E25-45, with the virus removed, and the balance composed of various narcotics for distribution (usually extracted from a modified HE80 "parent culture" that acts upon peat-moss instead of humans).

*raises hand* OHHH! OHH! Pick me! Pick me!

heaven knows our narcotics trade had to start somewhere....why not the 70s!

K, so who here:
<snip>
...taking the drug while going through customs IS A BAD THING (tm)

I thought the drug was going the traditional route and be smuggled into a whole bunch of countries.:confused:

*raises hand* OHHH! OHH! Pick me! Pick me!

heaven knows our narcotics trade had to start somewhere....why not the 70s!
Sure, plus you kinda know what a batch of the stuff can do to a person...
Course, this'll be a 'tainted' batch, and if your country was actually a 3rd-world hell-hole before Joe Montanna made it rich, fleas carrying the virus and trace amounts of the fungus through Joe's first opium fields would prove interesting...

Followed by you peddling your first shipments of infected opium across the globe, carried by infected smugglers... And no, they won't suddenly wake up and think they're trapped in hell... (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/365474) (101st told me my links contain virus)

Could a few companies in my area be dabbling in the black market and get a batch of this stuff? Since I'm assuming it's a recreational drug, they could be purchasing it to find a way to make their products more addictive and instead cause the testers to become zombies. From there, the larger corporations could find out about the companies' messing with the black market and the zombies that resulted and decide to buy them out so that they can pull the plug on the experiments and contain the problem.

Of course, zombies aren't meant to be contained for long...

Sure, plus you kinda know what a batch of the stuff can do to a person...
Course, this'll be a 'tainted' batch, and if your country was actually a 3rd-world hell-hole before Joe Montanna made it rich, fleas carrying the virus and trace amounts of the fungus through Joe's first opium fields would prove interesting...

Followed by you peddling your first shipments of infected opium across the globe, carried by infected smugglers... And no, they won't suddenly wake up and think they're trapped in hell... (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/365474) (101st told me my links contain virus)


well seeing as the area where Antonio Montana owned was not Mokan Soil in the 1970s I will probably just RP a small group of nations that will someday become the Mokan "Empire"

but yes, the opium and coke trades did contribute more the growth of the Modern Mokastana then the politicos make it seem.

Sweet, now who wants to buy tainted drugs??

There's a mafia type of group that exists in the German speaking province of Valais. They deal in all forms of Alcohol (Its illegal in my country mostly) and drugs threw various means. I think they could be used for this.

Its a 'drug' designed to produce a longer-lasting 'high' with gradual [unnoticeable] let-down*.
Least that's the claim.

*As a psy-op weapon, it makes it difficult for previous vicitms to distinguish reality from re-occuring hallucinations, usually resaulting in a puerly psycho-actively induced 'trip' long after it 'wore off'.
Seriously fucks a soldier up worse than PTS, b/c it's PTS on crack.
This pretty much eliminates the soldier not only from combat-duty, but also from re-joining society, and even a 'best case recovery' can slip/snap and go ape-shit with a fire-axe in the mailroom...

And that why I not need nukes.

Got the thread started, I know the year is set two years earlier than what was agreed...figured it would take a while for the drug to get spread out across the black markets.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=578601

Well looks like I will have to wait before I can be involved there.

I'm going to need to cook up a way to get involved in the prologue, hmm....

ill wait till the main thread hits the forums

I think I'll join as soon as the drug hits the black markets. A bulk purchase or two by a corporation for testing should be enough to set off a zombie apocalypse.

I need to see what Hurtful does first, I have a good idea but I'm not sure if it will fit in yet.

Ustia, you may not want to wait for my post.

Anyways, what info would you want me to include?
Rebel Factions?
How my nameless and shapeless warlord-dictatorship became a "People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts"?
The stuff I'd have on-hand?
How do I deal with 'problems'?
Average life, so that you can compare it towards the end?
Or just specifics on my bio-weapons based on post#8 on my embassy/factbook?*

(And how a derivitive found its way onto black-market, plus obligitory fowl-up resaulting in the fatal consequences that this RP would revolve around)

If you need all that info, you're looking at a huge read just to glean a smidge of backstory of trivial value.

You should just post the important information, the stuff we need to know about this disease and so on.

Do we all need a character to purchase the drugs to indicate that they were smuggled into our countries? Or should it be just be assumed that it was smuggled in eventually by other parties and we're just going to be reacting to the zombie outbreak?